America is the largest oil and gas producer! That was me, people! (w/ Eli Valley)
This week political cartoonist and artist Eli Valley joins us to discuss the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the absolute heater of a Barack Obama portrait he unleashed on twitter last week, and the liberal response to both. Also, Ray J Politics' distinct posting style makes its way back onto the show with an invigorating, confusing screed about a possible Trump-approved Covid vaccine Support Eli Valley's work at https://www.patreon.com/elivalley Support the show for $3.11/month at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult and get a bonus episode every week, access to all previous bonus episodes, and audio versions of our youtube livestreams Music: White Lung - Atlanta
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I'm Tony Boswell.
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What's up everybody?
Thank you for tuning in.
We have a wonderful guest here on the show this week.
The one and the only Ellie Valli, political cartoonist, just magnificent artist.
So happy to have you here.
Thanks for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
It's going to be a real barn burner with you around.
I'm excited.
Don't set expectations that high.
You can re-record this part at the end.
The reason we have Ellie on this week is because of just the fucking, I don't know, off-the-top rope stunner he did on Obama with a portrait last week that reflects a lot of my personal feelings about Obama's sort of post-presidential career.
And we will get into that in a minute, but there's of course been, you know, very recent developments in the, I don't know, the structure and future of this country and of our government with, of course, Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying yesterday or the day before.
Um, of course it's been so much, so, so much fun on social media lately, hasn't it guys?
Yeah, yeah.
I've only been like half online because, um, it's been a bit, uh, just too much to handle.
Um, some of, some of the, uh, some of the takes and insights are so poisonous.
It just, it's a little bit much.
I mean, I try to gather what's going on, but I'm trying not to immerse myself full body in it, because I'll just go insane.
Yeah, you'll learn nothing by engaging.
You will, like, lose information by engaging in that sort of thing.
It's not a very good source of information.
But it's been fascinating, to say the least.
Yeah, I got to do this really interesting thing on Friday.
It was one of my co-workers' last days at work.
So we had a little social distancing beer after work.
We rented a patio at a bar.
And this bar was in Yucaipa, California.
And I got the news that Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
And I was like, oh man, my current audience is probably going to be really bummed out by hearing this.
But I would like to have a little bit of enthusiasm.
So I went inside and told all the conservatives there that Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
And I got to deliver the news to them.
And they were so stoked.
Got a free beer out of it.
I was kind of banking on that.
I was kind of banking on that.
What kind of bar do you go to where it's like interior is all conservatives?
One in Yucaipa, California.
Yeah.
Oh, is that a conservative area?
I don't know.
Yeah.
We're really lucky in Southern California to have a little town that makes the news for being super white supremacist.
Yeah, it's not so much conservative as it is, like, white nationalist.
Yeah.
Not a goddamn mask in sight.
I, like, hopped the wall to go in and out of the patio because I didn't really want to go into the bar.
Yeah, it's just, it's been a fascinating couple days online.
There's just so much brain worms spilling out of people's ears and wriggling around on Twitter.
You know, this isn't why we brought you here, Ellie, but I just wanted to maybe get your take on a different political cartoon we have here.
We have here one from... Is Tom Bieland, are you familiar with his work?
Is he a political cartoonist?
I actually don't know the name offhand, but I might know his work and I'm just not familiar with the name.
I'm just not sure if the guy who posted this on Facebook is the actual artist behind the cartoon, but the cartoon shows Ruth Bader Ginsburg approaching some sort of wrought iron gates with fluffy white clouds around it.
Interesting, given that RBG was Jewish by faith.
I'm not sure.
You know, I know there's different interpretations of the afterlife, or whether there even is an afterlife, in the Jewish faith.
I don't know how many of them involve, like, cartoon fluffy clouds and pearly gates.
Yeah, apparently they were singing Amazing Grace outside Supreme Court as well.
Incredible, incredible.
All on Rosh Hashanah, all on Rosh Hashanah.
The whole time, so deaf, so tone deaf.
It gets better though, because Ruth Bader Ginsburg has a finger up as if to chastise heaven itself, and she is saying, you need more diversity around here.
I don't even know what that means.
In what way?
Her being a woman or being Jewish?
You need more dead women in heaven.
What if this person is actually just like a Mormon progressive and they're talking about like, we need to start letting black people in this one now.
And it's Ruth Bader Ginsburg as a messenger there.
You know that the history of Mormons posthumously baptizing Like Anne Frank, for instance.
You know about that?
Maybe if it was a Mormon-influenced cartoon, maybe there's that aspect as well.
You can save him if you draw him.
It's almost like witchcraft, but it's not.
It's better.
It's more wholesome.
No caffeine.
So obviously, you raised some questions about whether or not RBG would be in the Christian heaven or whatever, but I saw another interesting trend.
with people saying you're not allowed to say rest in peace to Ruth Bader Ginsburg because that's offensive to her as a Jewish person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know if I would go that far.
I mean, it's just become a colloquialism at this point.
I don't think rest... I mean, why would it be offensive to rest?
It's not like rest with Jesus and peace, you know?
Well, it says here, please do not say R.I.P.
or similar for her.
She was Jewish, so the correct thing for her is, quote, may her memory be a blessing.
Right, that's... I mean, that's true.
It seems like that's what you would say if you were Jewish.
If you were Christian, you probably do think she's, like, living among fluffy clouds right now.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Well, this isn't really, like, a Jewish thing or a Christian thing.
Um, this is actually, uh, from Tupac.
Uh, Tupac is the one that said, rest in peace, young nigga.
There is heaven for a G. And as we all know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the biggest G. Was the most gangsta.
Dude, heaven is so fucking lit right now.
The most gangsta of all times.
Yeah, notorious.
Yeah, I have nothing to add to that.
I think it's more offensive to say something like, rest in power to a Supreme Court Justice who had an exorbitant amount of power.
Probably far too much power while she was alive.
If anything, you should be like, hey, just vibe now.
Just vibe.
No more power.
Uh, yeah, some more amazing responses, uh, from like, you know, the feminists next door, uh, like, you know, woke libs on Twitter who are, uh,
When people bring up the rightful criticism that Ruth Bader Ginsburg should have retired when there was a Democrat in office, and they had both chambers of Congress, and also RBG had cancer the first time, people are saying that actually, if you blame RBG for not retiring before she died, you are in fact blaming the victim.
And quote here, This sounds no different than you should have not worn that or you should have stayed home that night, so whatever happened is your fault.
Is that real?
That's real.
Who did that one?
Heather Liz Poet on Twitter.
Wow.
It's a response to MRaz, but MRaz herself was making about the same point that it's misogynist to tell a queen to step down when it's her divine right to rule, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, I just want to look at MRaz.
I'm just curious.
Oh, okay.
I thought that person blocked me.
I guess not.
She blocked my personal account, but MinionDeathCult still has access, so... She's beautiful.
Wait, this is not the... No, I looked... No, I am blocked by MRoz.
I somehow found a... Oh, must be a parody account that did not block me.
Okay, forget that.
Yeah, she blocked me.
With Zero, I never had any communication with her online at all, so, you know, it's one of those... Either it's a list, or because I maybe insult...
satirized Pelosi one time too many.
Probably, yeah.
So if you're criticizing RBG for not stepping down because she wanted the first female president to be the one to nominate her successor and she continued to wear that black robe, that's no different than saying like, hey, why are you dressed like that?
Why were you dressed like that at the time?
It's dressing for the job that you want.
You know?
Well, she already had it, so I don't... Yeah.
Oh, you also hear about the protest outside of Mitch McConnell's home, and everybody left when it turned out he wasn't home, and there were cops there or something?
Yeah, it lasted about 15 minutes from what I saw.
The leadership gave up after 15 minutes.
It's so good.
Rugged.
Yeah, and just like another take here is that I am angry that a chronically ill woman was forced to work her dying breath to try to stop the country from falling into complete totalitarian control.
That's from somebody named Molly Williams, but the reason I saw it is because Cake the band shared it on Facebook.
Really?
Oh yeah.
Cake still has an active Facebook?
They have an extremely active Facebook.
They're like a resistance lib band now.
Don't you gotta, don't you gotta, like, stop that band?
Doesn't that band have to disband?
Like, don't you have to, like, not make anything anymore?
I don't know.
Wait, what do you mean?
Yeah.
Wasn't the bassist, like, a pretty gnarly pedophile?
I don't know, I mean... No, are you serious?
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
I mean, I got some bassist friends, but I think you can get along without a bassist, you know, I think you can...
Yeah.
I think you can kick that guy out.
No one wants to listen to those bass lines anymore.
You gotta just make a new band.
Now if the trumpeters, if allegations had come out against the trumpeters in Cake, then yeah, you gotta close up shop.
Did that come out recently about the Cake?
It was a couple years ago.
Okay, I didn't know.
Yeah, it was a while ago.
But post me too, I assume.
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long history of fucking over-indigenous people.
Yeah, I just love the idea that like, oh, uh, actually, uh, the, the female Supreme Court justice was a slave.
She was forced to work until her dying breath, uh, to save democracy.
She's, she's like a slave to me.
Yeah.
It's, uh, yeah, it's the hero worship or the veneration.
Of individuals as opposed to the systemic disasters is part of why we're in this mess, I guess.
I do think it sucks that she died.
Yeah, absolutely.
She had some pretty bad rulings.
She had some pretty bad opinions.
But she was arguably one of the more, quote, progressive figures on the Supreme Court.
She was obviously holding some of the court's worst impulses in check.
I think that the response to this sort of indicates, I don't know, so Brian from Street Fight had like exactly my thoughts on this, what he tweeted out.
He said something like, if it makes younger people feel any better, the way I feel today is the same way I've felt since 2012.
which is that things are awful, right? - Yeah. - And the reason that things are awful right now are pretty much the same reasons that they've been awful since Donald Trump was elected, since before Donald Trump was elected.
Because of the institutional barriers we have to achieving actual democratic progress and democratic goals, small d democratic goals, in this country.
One of which is the Supreme Court itself.
The existence of the Supreme Court itself is a fundamentally undemocratic reality that we have to face in this country.
Like I said, if you want to hold up, if you want to uphold democracy, we're going to need eight more tragedies here, okay?
That's like, if we really want to make some progress here, but of course that's like not feasible, and you know, these things that are standing in our way, it's not just one less liberal on the Supreme Court, it's the Supreme Court itself, it's the Electoral College, it's the Senate,
And it's also liberals who see this as just even more of an opportunity to vote shame and scream at people and in some cases like wish active harm on quote anyone who didn't vote in the last election.
Like, this is, this is what, so if people are wondering why, like, this country is so bad, why this is such a cruel country, like, you only have to look at some of the proponents of quote, the good party, saying that if you didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, you deserve whatever happens to you.
Yeah.
How can you be a member of the compassionate party?
How can you be a member of the party that wants the best for everybody and still have such a punitive, like, vindictive worldview?
That's really something you're gonna have to examine if you're in the middle or if you're, you know, a progressive Democrat or whatever.
You really have to examine these thoughts and see how counterproductive they are for whatever movement you're trying to achieve.
Yeah, I actually saw Susan Sarandon was trending yesterday, and I didn't know why, but I assumed everyone was just like blaming her or the usual thing of saying, you know, you say they're both the same, but look, look, RBG is dead.
And, you know, it's that.
Yeah.
But but also the the people on the left who didn't vote in 2016 was such infinitesimally, not just small, but not influential on the outcome.
So it's just it's just like sort of impotent rage.
I guess, right?
Yeah.
Absolutely, yeah.
And it just, I don't know, it like, it gets to the broader, like, I want a lot of what Democrats say they want.
I want a lot of the same things.
There's a ton of common ground, but like, you can't achieve it by going to protest in front of Mitch McConnell's house for 15 minutes.
Like, you can't achieve it by, um, what Conrad John shared into our Facebook group, uh, somebody posting, Mick Hippocannell crit.
Yep.
That's not how you do it, folks.
I'm sorry.
I don't know.
It might be fun or whatever.
You're mad at the Supreme Court.
You're mad at the shape of the Supreme Court.
You're mad at the Senate who's going to vote to confirm her successor to the Supreme Court.
Like, how does voting get around any of that?
I mean... Yeah.
It's... I think it was... Sorry, Tony, real quick.
I think it was Ray's... What's his name?
Aslan?
Right.
Who tweeted out, like, oh, I just think about all the people who said that it wouldn't matter between Hillary or Trump, you know, and didn't vote in 2016, and it makes me really mad when I think about this.
And then he followed it up in another tweet, he said, especially when the previous president, Obama, had a Supreme Court seat stolen from him and Trump is going to be the one who gets to, you know, add another person to the Supreme Court.
And it's like, how do you say these two things?
How do you scold somebody who has either, you know, intuited or deduced openly that voting doesn't matter?
And then say that the popular Democratic president got a Supreme Court nomination stolen from him despite him being the fucking president.
How do you square those two things in your mind?
Well, you don't have to really worry about it because like her death rattle was like, oh, please wait to replace me.
So wild.
But like that whole...
The thing I'm looking forward to that's not going to happen, that people have been talking about, but it's not going to happen, is like, oh cool, are the pussyhats going to join us in the streets now?
They say they are.
That one woman's calling for a civil war on Twitter.
Yeah, civil war time, bro.
But, you know, I would love to see that energy out there, that'd be really cool.
I don't know.
It's not going to happen.
Also, the Democratic leadership, they're not even saying what they're going to do to stop it from happening.
What they're saying is, if you do that, we are threatening to do something next year or if and when we get the Senate.
We're going to get you.
It's giving a green light to them doing what they want because these are empty threats.
They're not using the full arsenal.
Not currently, now.
Not just, you know, for once it happens.
There's an article I just read from CNN.
I think Nancy Pelosi went on one of the Sunday talk shows and was asked, are you willing to shut down the government in order to prevent the Senate from bringing a nominee to the floor for a vote?
And she said no.
Nancy Pelosi said no to that and she said we just have to have faith that the president will do the right thing.
Yeah, totally.
That was the kicker, I know.
She said both vote and implying that the presidential pivot is coming.
Yeah.
Like, honestly, if we're gonna shut down the government, can we, like, maybe shut down the government for, you know, all the executions happening in the streets still to this day?
Somehow in the middle of all this?
Can we shut down the government for that, maybe?
Maybe not for vacation, but to actually do something?
It's so... Like you said, it's all so fucking impotent.
It's stupid and gross.
It's like a waste of our fucking time.
I see so many responses to police brutality, like what the NYPD is doing right now to ICE protesters, just not even letting them protest.
Just as soon as they assemble, just, you know, kettling them all and arresting them all.
And I see the responses to this and it's like, Trump won't let us have freedom of speech!
Fuck him!
And it's like, this is for your boys in blue.
These are New York's finest who are doing this shit.
What is wrong with you people?
Yeah, although to me, on the other hand, you know, the head of the police or one of the police unions endorsed Trump and, you know, it's, you know, full on fascist.
So, but yes, it is true.
We have de Blasio and Cuomo and.
Same situation.
And that shit, it's to the point now where it's not even like, it's not even a New York thing, it's not even a Portland thing, it's not even a Seattle thing, it's like, across the country, you know, it's to the point now where, you know, I know people now who have been like, kidnapped.
And like, that's fucking crazy.
That's crazy.
Like, that's, I live in the Inland Empire, in Southern California.
I'm out there, I'm fucking getting it, but I'm not getting kidnapped, but like, I have friends that are getting kidnapped.
Out of their cars!
And then released?
After like 48 hours.
Are they arrested officially?
So the official arrest reason was like, um, was like, uh, unlawful assembly.
But they were in the car.
They weren't even like around, they weren't even at the protest.
They never made it to the protest.
But it was a bunch of bullshit.
They knew who they were and their friend were.
Didn't even get everyone in the car.
Just, like, gnarly.
That's how much it's happening.
That's how much it's happening.
And that's wild.
Maybe we do see some sort of resurgence of the Women's March.
Maybe because of the way the police have been agitated even further since the first Women's March.
Maybe, you know, liberals do start to see the cards for what they are.
And maybe with the Supreme Court in the shape that it is, maybe liberals start to see the fundamental flaw in the idea of a Supreme Court.
The fundamental flaw in this anti-democratic institution.
And, I don't know, maybe it nudges some people.
Because, I mean, plenty of us started off as liberals, without knowing any better.
And we just saw enough of... This isn't an argument for acceleration, by the way.
Accelerationism, by the way.
I'm just hoping that while we are accelerating, maybe something good can happen from it.
Maybe enough people see like the ineffectual nature of what's being offered and start to see that, you know, there's an alternative.
There's alternatives to just, you know, tweeting or signing a petition or even like doing a candlelight vigil, an ironic candlelight vigil around Mitch McConnell's home or whatever.
Yeah, and I don't know with this sort of I think this is a good segue into your comic Ellie Which I'm trying to remember what day you posted this last week, maybe Thursday or Wednesday Are you talking about the flames?
It's just breathtaking.
Just one of my favorite pieces.
I've followed your work for a while and your work is always very striking and startling and stunning and compelling.
This is some of your best work, if I may say so.
And the fact that it's in color is also very striking.
For those of you who haven't seen it, We retweeted it both on the Facebook page, so not a retweet there, but you know what I mean, and on our Twitter.
It is almost a full panel of orange and red flames, just stunning line work throughout.
And in the bottom right corner, you see Obama relaxing in a chair with two speech bubbles that say, Suddenly America is the largest oil and gas producer.
That was me, people!
And then on the other speech bubble, you have, uh, protecting our planet is on the ballot.
Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.
And the second one is, of course, his tweet in response to the West Coast wildfires that made Tony and myself very mad, uh, last week, a couple weeks ago, and it just kind of, like, made me insane for a little bit, uh, and I was very happy, Eli, to see you kind of point Point this out about Obama.
Thank you, Ellie, and I'm sorry for having to say that.
But if I don't, then you'll say Eli again.
Sorry for being a dictator.
Sorry.
It's OK.
It's OK.
I figured I might as well say.
Yeah.
And the original quote or the quote on the left is from two years ago when he's, you know, pushing back against Criticism by boasting about the oil and gas boom under his tenure.
Yeah, there's nothing a Democrat loves more than owning Republicans by becoming one.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he's like, you should thank me for this.
Literally, he said that.
Yeah, so I thank you for the whatever, the commendation for the comic.
I appreciate it.
It was just basically a fury because, you know, watching the West Coast in flames and You know, I actually started drawing it.
I wasn't sure.
I had a couple options that I was tooling with, but I was just like immersed myself in the fact of the flames.
And I just wanted to, you know, finish the art or, you know, finish the entire page of flames while also deciding which way to go with it.
Obama was the strongest one or the strong.
You know, I was considering having Biden concerning fracking or Gavin Newsom concerning fracking and or a number of other things.
But Obama was much more trenchant and sort of, you know, obviously relevant.
It's not as funny, but it's just more horrifying.
Yeah, it is horrifying.
It's personally horrifying for me, not only because, you know, we're going to have to live with the effects of climate change, but also just because of like my personal relation, you know, it sounds corny to say, but like my personal relationship or evolution on the idea of Obama.
You know, I mentioned like, A lot of us started off as libs or progressives or whatever and it was in fact through the Obama administration that I became radicalized myself and became pretty disillusioned in somebody who was supposed to be a transformative figure like Obama and I became
more aware of the the conflicts the class conflicts that were going on you know and I had you know it's funny like I had all these weird you know when when Obama's presidency didn't didn't actually result in much progress in a lot of areas I had like a weird sort of conspiratorial minded
Thing where I was like oh wouldn't it be like tragic or cunning or whatever if like the powers that be got the first black president elected and then like to trick everybody and then he did their bidding and it's like now just looking back it's just like no like Obama's just a capitalist like that's just yeah that's who he is and there's like no capitalist solution to things like climate change or income inequality there's there's no cap it's just like
You know, it's fundamentally opposed to that ideology.
I was wondering, Ellie, did you have any sort of that evolution on Obama?
How did you originally view him, and when did you start being more critical of him if you ever weren't, I guess?
Yeah.
No, it's interesting, because I was thinking the greatest sort of radicalizing uh event of the past um couple decades was the iraq war but obviously i think in many ways obama was worse because he was the greatest promise of his generation and a political genius and mastermind and who ran on literally hope and change
and um who uh you know who represented so much that you know america likes to think of itself as in terms of the arc of history And And then for him to, I wouldn't say flip, but just basically, you know, Yeah, I mean, structuring his own government with right-wing figures littered throughout it.
his opponents using their positions from the start and also uh you know uh doing giveaways to the most nefarious forces in our society yeah structuring his own government with right-wing figures littered throughout it i mean it wasn't like necessarily he just he like shifted rightward almost immediately and And those of us who were hoping for something else, I mean, maybe tried to like convince ourselves that, oh, this is a strategy or, oh, you know, he's going to win them over or whatever.
And it became pretty clear that like, you know, that wasn't the case.
It was all in this whole thing of decorum and working across the aisles and doing like the right thing and then so therefore anything he did accomplish like the minimal stuff he did accomplish and he accomplished like super late that was a big deal and everything he couldn't accomplish he was like well you know my hands were tied behind my back those goddamn Republicans shucks I'm so sorry yeah but don't worry I brought you a gift I brought you a gift who's gonna save the world and her name is Michelle Obama
And I think she would make a great Supreme Court.
I think maybe that's what the change we need is Michelle Obama.
Did he ever start pushing her forward as, like, his successor, like, late in his term?
Or was it always just, like, going for Hillary at that point?
Oh, no, no, no.
Only, like, only, like, only people doing that are, like, white women.
There's just white women who want Michelle Obama to, like, they want to vote for her for everything.
Right, right.
And, I don't know, I think Obama is the right figure to pick because, um, I feel like that's... What's, what's the word here?
Um...
Somebody's opinion of Obama is, like, one of the best indicators of where they are in their politics, like, possible because he is such a beloved figure for liberals and for progressives and possibly even for centrists who just admired, you know, the way he spoke or the uniting ability he had at least, you know, during his election.
I think it's a it's it's like a good hard line you know whether you are on one side or the other and and I think it's good to like pick at that area.
I think you know it's good to poke and prod and like kind of I don't know hope that people start to reckon with that.
I've said that on the show before but like liberals if the trip to class consciousness the trip to radicalization it goes through Obama.
It goes through your own feelings on Obama.
Yeah, actually after E1 in 2008, MoveOn sent out stickers to everybody, sort of like self-congratulations and congratulating their base of movement workers, I guess.
Just basically, you know, Yes We Can, the famous image, I guess, Shepard Fairley, I forget, or an iteration of that image.
It sucks how that he sucks now.
It sucks so hard.
It's so heartbreaking.
I fucking hate it.
Yeah.
But I guess in some ways it was emblematic of the Obama era.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
But anyway, uh, I had that on my fridge all this time.
Originally I was on my fridge, uh, like in the immediate aftermath of the election as literally kind of like excited about the change that we were on the precipice of.
And then slowly it just became like this ironic joke on my fridge and I think it's still there.
It's just like all like sort of torn up at this point.
Like Dorian Gray actually.
But it just reminds me of how You know, my own sort of faith in, um, you know, the, the, the greatest promise of, of his generation turned into, uh, just like, uh, just souring over, uh, the greatest disappointment in so many ways of his generation, unfortunately.
And I, I just want to quickly say, I don't want to discount his monumental achievement in terms of, uh, sort of like the individual, uh, breaking through these barriers and, you know, his promise and all that.
But in so many, you know, so many ways and so many decisions, specific decisions, both during his administration and afterwards, he just showed which side he's on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's I don't know.
I have a lot of family and, you know, probably some friends who still like love Obama, you know, and it's just like it's very hard for me to reconcile these two ideas.
And, you know, like think about my grandma who like loves Obama and loves Michelle and, you know, think about my dad, who's like more to the left, but still probably really like is proud of the achievement of Obama's presidency.
It's like the RPG thing in terms of venerating an individual as the sort of hero or superhero of history, sort of eliting the actual policies or problems.
Yeah, somebody had a really good tweet.
I can't remember who it was, but it was like, you know, one of the ways that, like, liberals are fundamentally different from the left is that they view these figures, these political figures, whether they're leaders or representatives, they view them as avatars for themselves or avatars for, like, a hero as in a hero instead of tools to be used and to be, you know, bent to our will.
You know, we, we idolize these people and we, we either see ourselves in them or we see like, you know, uh, the achievement of all members of whatever culture or race or, or gender they belong to instead of like an instrument to be directed and to, to be, uh, worked toward a goal, you know?
And it's, it's me, it's, you know, something with our culture most likely, uh, and it's, it's, it's unsustainable, you know?
Mm-hmm to talk about real quick just cuz I didn't talk about my little Obama stuff real fast Like he was extra heartbreaking for me as like a young as a young light-skinned black man This is my first time voting It's like one of the last healthy conversations I had with my dad was about how he was optimistic about this young man named Barack Obama who he saw the speech and he read the article on.
And then the Shepard Fairey stuff came out and that was a big deal for me.
I was a dumb sneakerhead at that point in time.
I used to go to the Obey warehouse sales and stuff like that.
Like I was – it was really geared for me.
You know, I was very excited about it.
And I was like, oh, cool.
He's also going to like, you know, he's going to let – you know, we're going to go ahead and let everyone get married now.
That's kind of tight.
You know, all these things I was looking forward to.
And then he just like slowly did nothing.
And his evolution in me is kind of like Kanye West's evolution for me.
Where at the same exact time, they slowly but surely just disappointed me to the point where I'm just like, oh, goodbye old friend.
I treasure the times we had.
I remember feeling, I remember optimism, I remember optimism, I remember that, and then you shit on that, so thank you.
With Kanye, you mean politically or his music?
Everything.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I used to be able to say just him, but, I mean, now I gotta say the music, too, so... Yeah.
Ellie, when you... Because, you know, you draw Trump a lot.
You draw Trump very magnificently.
You draw McConnell.
You draw these figures on the right.
But you also, you know, draw a Democrat.
Like, I have a shirt of yours with Nancy Pelosi on it.
Thank you.
Yeah, I remember when you sent that.
Yeah, that was very sweet.
I'm sorry, that's Hillary Clinton and Kissinger.
Oh, that's right.
It's not Pelosi.
That's right.
But you have drawn Pelosi before, if I'm not mistaken.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And that's what gets me blocked by centrists.
I was going to say, do you notice a stronger response one way or the other when you're focusing on the right or when you're focusing on the centrists or the mainstream Democrats?
Yeah, the vitriol that I get from centrists is, uh, something, um, to quote Trump, the likes of which I've never seen before.
I love how he only speaks in those superlatives.
Um, but yeah, it's, uh, it it's tough, you know, because Pelosi for them, like we're saying, is one of these superhero figures.
Um, you know, she claps and, uh, you know, they're, they're, they're building statues to her.
And so if you, if you first of all, question that, and second of all, draw her the way I draw everybody else that is in power, that, that is, um, not exactly a figure, uh, that I, um, idolize, they, um, they go ape shit.
And, um.
Uh, and of course, you know, they say that I'm being misogynistic and anti-Semitic for some reason in my portrayals of her.
Yeah, I really hated that time you did some anti-Semitism against Meghan McCain.
I think that was a little beyond the pale there.
You know, that was the most extreme example of that, but I get it.
You know, all of my drawings, regardless of their religion, unfortunately.
They just have this in their mind, what they think Jewish people look like, and that's what you draw, apparently.
That's cool.
That's not an anti-Semitic thing to have inside your head already.
Yeah, you know, it's funny, but also...
Lately, centrists have jumped onto, and I know I do use the Nazi comparison quite a lot, but the centrists have jumped onto that too, so like, you know, some of the people that, you know, I'm not even going to name them, but they're like, oh, he's just going to draw them as Hitler, as a way of, like, retorting a drawing of Perez or Schumer or the like.
Did you get, what was the reaction to this Obama piece like for you on Twitter?
Honestly, I thought, you know, it was going around a lot and I thought the reaction was good, but then someone tweeted at me like, have you seen the libs are going crazy in the replies?
And at that point I couldn't keep checking replies because it was overwhelming to keep up.
I often have to just like, you know, just mute, etc.
Yeah.
So I didn't see all of them, but I did when looking for retweets, I did see some, you know, centrists doing their usual thing.
Yeah, at this point.
The responses I saw were overwhelmingly positive.
A lot of people were like, fuck yes, this is what we fucking need right now is an honest appraisal of the guy who did in fact boost domestic oil production and then brag about it.
We need an honest assessment of that.
I did, however, going through some replies and some retweets, I found just some very interesting responses if you'd like to hear them here.
Sure.
Yeah, I guess so.
Jay Vaughn says, I'm not racist, I just think the most successful black man ever is actually Satan.
That's actually good, because obviously there is a hell aspect to this art.
And I didn't even notice that, yeah, because it is kind of like Obama is ruling over the one non-fiery part of hell, you know, which I guess would be like his home in Martha's Vineyard in 25 years.
True.
And also, you know, it was a slight reference to the This Is Fine panel, you know, of hell, basically.
But that's good, I like that.
Anything else?
I want to explore the idea, and I kind of like the idea, of somebody being racist and thinking that Satan is black.
It's kind of a weird compliment, but they also hate Satan.
It's a compliment to someone like me, but I can see how to them it would be an insult.
I sent Tony this tweet kind of out of context and Tony was like oh shit I'll take that as a compliment that like Satan is a hard-working black dude.
But I think one of the funnier parts of this tweet to me is just like I'm not racist, I just think the most successful black man ever is actually Satan.
So funny.
Because he's successful, that means he's good and shouldn't be Satan?
Even in your worshipfulness of progressive ideals or whatever, you still have this notion that success equals moral goodness.
Or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Also, what about Jay-Z?
I don't think Obama is the most successful black man in America ever.
I think Jay-Z is.
Jay-Z is literally worth more money.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I mean, I know he wasn't president, but he was president of the only thing I care about, which is Rockefeller.
Yeah, I was just looking for... There was some response that I tweeted.
concerning anti-semitism.
He actually said, I want me to quote this one, I guess it's restrained.
He didn't use his usual amount of caricaturing in quotes on Obama.
He must have realized the pre-war anti-semitic propaganda aesthetic would look a certain way on a black man.
Oh man, oh man.
You know your typical pre-war anti-semitic propaganda style that you use just wouldn't fit with Obama's features.
Well that's the thing though is like cartoons are just inherently anti-semitic apparently.
Like anytime you just draw anything it's probably, anybody draws anything it's probably anti-semitic.
It's the quickest way to, what do you call it, dismiss me.
And centrists, I don't think they started with that, but then when they realized how well it worked among the Zionist crowd for the past ten years, they jumped onto it.
I mean, it is kind of interesting because, you know, usually your work, from what I've seen, does focus on, like, a person's figure or a person's face or their bust.
Or like their body and you know them is the focal point of the piece where this one is like you can barely even see Obama.
You have like the whole piece is just flames and that's I think one of the reasons that it's so striking to me is it seems to be pretty different than your usual work.
Yeah, yeah, and I was happy to do it that way too.
I mean, originally the canvas was even bigger, but I had to sort of, you know, make some, what do you call it, not shortcut actually, but compromise, you know.
Yeah, sacrifice, because, you know, I could have been drawing this for three weeks, you know, a mural size of flames, which is what it deserves.
Of course, to even begin to capture what's happening, but I had to settle on this.
Just to stress this real quick, it is incredible looking.
That panel is just so stunning.
I love looking at it.
Even without that, it's just a beautiful piece to look at.
Yeah, it's hard to miss, and it's great.
Tony draws a lot of pictures of cop cars on fire, so I think he might be biased.
Oh, okay.
He's got an eye for the flames.
I like a lot of flames.
That's, like, all I can draw is flames.
I'm still in seventh grade.
One of the main criticisms of this is, I think, demonstrated here by Jeff Feck.
Whose name I've heard pronounced multiple ways.
I'm not sure if this is like an Ellie-Eli situation But it's he tweets fun fact under the Obama administration US carbon emissions dropped by more than any other country or dropped Yeah by more than any other country.
I guess under the Trump administration They have gone up But yeah, Ellie, you sure got them.
And it's funny to say that, oh, they dropped compared to other countries who are, like, going through an industrial process for the first time in their development, or who have, you know, far more people than we do.
Or, I think the most telling part of this, though, is the second half of it.
Under the Trump administration, they have gone up.
And it's like, so whatever Obama did to lower the carbon emissions was immediately able to be undone by his successor.
Yeah, exactly.
Which is an indictment in itself.
Yeah, yeah, I was looking into this and I just saw one article saying that he chose specifically the methods of reduction that were open to reversal if Hillary Clinton didn't get in.
And he only did this stuff later in his term anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it clearly wasn't a priority.
Yeah, yeah.
One of the reasons it wasn't a priority was because the ACA was such a You know, all hands on deck thing to get Romney's plan into effect throughout the country.
And then finally, just one quick one that was funny.
This is at rootdenied, who has the globalist neoliberal emoji in their display name.
They say, fun fact, domestic oil production is less carbon intensive than importing oil from people who want us dead.
Which is very funny, A, because we don't use the oil we produce here.
We sell it.
We sell it overseas.
We still purchase oil from those countries that, quote, want us dead.
So, I don't know.
I think it's... I feel okay at being firmly on the opposite side of the person who's, like, using patriotism to own, you know, Iran or the Saudis or whatever by burning our own planet to a crisp with domestically derived oil.
Yeah, and also, are they actually implying that the fires we're seeing now are purely the result of January 2017 onward?
You know, we passed our chance to fix this and it was early in Obama's administration that we were passing it.
Yeah, and a lot of the things that, you know, Obama approved to happen didn't get, like, construction was not completed and they were not in production until afterwards, and those things caused emissions.
Like, you know, Obama approved all these, like, fracking projects that finally started, like, taking effect, you know, after the fact, so there is uptick at the end of his career, and it continued to grow throughout Trump's, you know, with everything that Trump's had on top of it, you know?
Yeah.
I don't know, so it's just, you know, never meet your heroes, kids, or allow them to become president or Supreme Court justice.
Thank you so much, Ellie, for joining the show for this wonderful, uplifting session we've had here.
Really, really big fan of your work, and where can people see your stuff and support it?
So I basically publish most of my stuff I'm solo at this point on Twitter and Instagram, but if you'd like to support me, I'm at Patreon.com.
That's actually indispensable at this point, so I do appreciate it.
Cool.
We'll put all that information in the show notes and the information for this stuff.
Thanks again, Ellie, for joining us.
Yeah, appreciate you.
Sure, sure.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate that as well.
All right, wow, what a great segment with Ellie Valli.
Wasn't it great, folks?
Thank you so much to Ellie again.
Absolutely no time has elapsed since our conversation with him.
I haven't worked 12 hours since talking about Obama burning the world alive.
How about you, Tony?
What haven't you been up to?
I mean, I actually haven't worked 12 hours since then.
I did spend like a whole day just like in bed.
That was sick.
Oh yeah.
But I've just been chilling, you know?
Just been chilling.
Yeah.
I mean, nothing's happened since then.
Nothing at all.
Oh!
I opened a bottle of wine since then.
That's happening.
That's productive.
That's like a workout.
Yeah.
It's like my favorite $6 bottle from Traders.
It's the Mason Barbelot.
I'm going to say Barbelot.
It's French.
It's a red blend.
It's a really classy label.
Looks real expensive.
It is not.
And it's delicious.
The top label didn't look that expensive.
It looked kind of like the... No, that shit looks so tight.
I love that label.
No, that looks like that one board shop.
Woody's or whatever.
Or Hobie's board shop.
Wow, that was very American of you.
Because that actually looks classic, like Euro.
I don't know, it looks classic.
But you're right though, it does look a little like, um... Oh no, yeah, you're right, it looks like fuckin', um... Jack's?
Is it Jack's?
Jack's maybe, yeah.
Jack's Surf Shop.
My friend's dad lived above that place when he was younger.
You know, if you looked in the right spots, you could probably find some wine at, like, Play It Again Sports.
Yeah, yeah.
They're opened bottles.
Yeah, if you looked in the right, like, bag pockets and shit, you could probably find some good stuff.
There's still, yeah, at least a flask of something that will get you feeling nice.
It would get you pretty pitted, probably.
It'll keep you warm.
Yeah.
So, I don't know, in sort of like a lighter departure from our somewhat heavy conversation with Ellie, I wanted to just revisit One of my personal favorites and I had thought we hadn't actually ever covered him on the show until I remembered we did cover him on the show.
I am of course talking about Ray J Politics from Facebook.
Uh, Ray J Politics is kind of a, kind of an unknown, kind of a, you know, uh, one of your smaller personas on Facebook.
Just nose to the grindstone, putting in a lot of work, but still hasn't quite popped off yet.
But real heads know.
Real heads have, you know, their finger on the pulse in the underground.
They know what's going on.
They, they like, I like, I just really like Reggie's, like, raw indie sound.
He definitely has a voice.
I also called him Reggie.
That's how much I like him.
That's what real heads call them.
Yeah, real heads call them that other name.
I just want to remind people of Ray J Politics' bio.
This is Ray, then the letter J, then the word politics on Facebook.
He says in his bio, I am an American black man.
American comes first.
I am a nationalist, not a globalist.
America first!
And his profile picture is him wearing an NRA hat at what looks to be a post office.
Yeah, that's definitely a post office.
He also has vast experience at refrigeration and air.
There are at least 25 entries at refrigeration and air.
Different positions he's held at... What's funny is like... I don't know, that business or that industry at least.
The cool thing there would be like being like an HVAC person, but you say HVAC if you're an HVAC person.
You don't say refrigeration and air.
I think this is strictly just like making sure fridges are cold and making sure air conditioners are blowing out cold air.
It's nothing more than that.
He says Service Technician a lot, and then he says District Manager, and then he says Area Supervisor, and then he goes back to Service Technician, and then he goes back to District Manager, and then he goes all the way up to Divisional Refrigeration Supervisor at Publix, and then he's back to District Manager at Advanced Refrigeration and Air, and then, yeah, finally, Service Manager was, I believe, the last position held at Refrigeration and Air.
So my man is grinding is what you're saying.
My man is grinding.
Yeah, and this is like It's there's just something about the way he writes that I feel like is is really beautiful and I just wish we could cover him more because the only problem is like his ideas his thoughts his his his screeds it's all like
Basic bitch Fox News grandpa shit.
Yeah.
Not really an original idea.
Not really anything, I don't know, personal or cultural.
It's a lot of like being mad because one of the female Fox News analysts interrupted Lou Dobbs to tell you that Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
That's the sort of grievance he has.
But there's a way that he writes, the words that he chooses to use, he has a very distinct vocabulary, and he's kind of a wordsmith.
and I just, I want to just read this post.
So, oh, did I?
Okay, I was on the wrong one.
See, there's like... And then some of them are just too racist.
Like, I can't read them.
Like, the one we read, when we did cover them, was it just about how black people are stupid?
I was gonna say, Alex, how can a black American... How can an American black post a racist screed?
I don't understand what you're saying.
Well, let me teach you something.
See, there's two kinds of black people, Tony.
Uh, they're... I'm just kidding.
Uh...
I was like, what?
Just go ahead.
I'm excited for this one.
This is...
I did text someone earlier today.
I said, well, actually, mulatto is the master race.
As I've told you, I'm okay with you saying that.
tell teach you about what an uncle tom is tony i want to say let me know put it on i want to say the phrase uncle tom a lot i want to pick which black people are uncle toms and uh tell tell you all about it as i've told you i'm okay with you saying that my mom my mom is not so so maybe if you couldn't add a respect for my mother i I still, thank you for the permission, I still wouldn't feel comfortable at deciding who is a black race traitor.
Yeah, I'll let you know, I'm gonna go ahead and give you the past to let you know that Ray J Politics is in fact In fact, an Uncle Tom.
That's undeniable.
I think he would probably claim it.
He'd probably be like, this is not a bad thing, this is a good thing.
He's like too, as we'll see with his post, he's like too incendiary to be a Terrence K. Williams.
Like, I know Terrence K. Williams got kicked off of Fox for being like really racist.
But like, Terrence K. Williams is the kind of guy who's like, you're silly.
Like that's the kind of his shit.
Whereas Ray J. Politics says different things.
So this post is, he's sharing a Newsmax article about how a majority of Americans, you know, according to this poll, A majority of Americans would not trust a COVID vaccine that was released before the presidential election.
Sort of implying that, you know, Trump would fast-track a vaccine that might not be safe or ready in order to, you know, bolster his chances at the election or whatever.
And reading the article, I think about 50% of the Republicans they sampled agreed that they would either completely distrust or somewhat distrust a vaccine released that early.
So Ray J Politics posts feeling drained sad face emoji.
What does the damn election have to do with Wuhan virus vaccine?
The Communist Democrat Party is wearing Americans out with their desperation and mongrelism!
Shaking my head emoji.
Plot after plot.
Double Orientalism right there.
Scheme after scheme.
Lie after lie.
And fairytale after fairytale.
Fairytale after Fairlytale.
This is now becoming a daily reality in the Democrat PROSTITUTE mainstream media.
Every day, there is some quote, new revelation about President Trump.
Rolling eyes emoji.
If these communists are so concerned about Americans, why wouldn't they want a quick vaccine?
Because it will reflect positively on President Trump!
Raised eye emoji.
I sure as hell will not be taking this vaccine.
But Americans who choose to should be able to.
God knows what's in these damn vaccines.
Uh, eyeglass emoji.
Monocle emoji.
I think that's supposed to be like, I think in his mind it's like a jeweler's eye.
Yeah, that's kind of how I use it too though.
Like a scrutinizing eye.
Uh, the liberal movement supports my body, my choice, with women killing off their babies.
Then the liberal movement should support my body, my choice, with not forcing us to wear masks and take a vaccine.
Syringe emoji.
Hashtag dems are dorks.
Clown emoji.
Hashtag MAGA flag emoji.
I fuckin' love Dems or Dorks.
I'm gonna start using that.
I'm gonna start using hashtag Dems or Dorks clown emoji.
Yeah, you have to.
Even though I don't think the emoji gets picked up in the hashtag, I think you still have to use it.
Yeah, yeah.
I fuckin' love that.
So you see what I'm saying folks here with just the the intensity with which this man writes the the use of of very like visceral language very like I don't know interesting terms like mongrelism yeah that's he uses that one uh you know Regularly, but not overly so.
So about one in every five posts refers to, like, the mongrelism of American black people, or the mongrelism of the Communist Party.
And it's like, it's like that old-timey 18th century racism.
It's just like, I think we've forgotten about, we've forgotten how effective it can be, and Ray J politics has But he's like just old enough to where he like asked his grandma, like, what do they call you?
What words were you called?
you know uh race science from from the 1800s but he's like just old enough to where he like asked his grandma like what did they call you what words were you called and it's like it's not even like mongrel the mongrel races
it's mongrelism which is like the ideology that comes along with being a mongrel with being a mongrel race which is just even even more even like even farther beyond that uh he also really likes calling uh the the media prostitutes and whores i i I love that.
He loves that biblical language.
Because it is biblical, that's the whole thing.
This is by no means like a speech on sex workers to him.
This is biblical.
You're giving yourself for money.
You are giving your whole being away for money.
And getting to the idea that's contained in this post, which is One of the more interesting, like, arguments I've seen him make.
Because I follow Ray J Politics.
I got him in my, uh, my C-First.
So whenever I open up Facebook and refresh my feed, he's at the top.
David Harold Grisham, the Repent Alaska street preacher, is in my C-First as well.
He doesn't have a lot of interesting arguments like this.
I love this argument where he reads a news article.
He sees a news article about people who won't trust the vaccine because it will be, it will have been released too early.
And he gets mad about this.
He gets mad about the fact that people don't trust the vaccine.
And then halfway through the post, he says, I sure as hell will not be taking this vaccine.
I think he noted, I think.
He notices midway through, but this is all kind of stream of consciousness, you know?
And I think he's very true to the art form.
Because it does pivot completely 180 halfway through.
Where it's like, this early vaccine is only going to benefit Trump's run.
It's the only reason why people aren't going to trust it.
I love God King Trump, but I will also not take it because the Democrats are really the ones doing it.
They're forcing us.
They're going to strap us all down and pump us full of vaccine and, like, you know, weld masks onto our face.
Well, he's kind of, I think, trying to do the hypocrisy argument against Democrats.
He's trying to say like, I thought you guys loved vaccines.
I hated vaccines before it was cool.
You can't, you can't sit here.
You can't sit at the truther table.
Do you do you see a lot of that like lip circles like Like oh, I wouldn't trust a vaccine because Trump's just gonna put it out early a little bit It is a conversation and I mean obviously a lot of people feel that way according at least to that Then that poll which was not conducted by Newsmax.
I was it was they were just referencing it I can't remember who actually had the sampling but Yeah, I don't know if I would, I, you know, just being honest here, I don't even do the flu vaccine, not because I don't trust it, but I just, I've never had a problem with the flu.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You'd have to read about it.
You'd have to read about how it was developed and whether or not the experts actually have faith in that being developed that quickly.
I don't even know if that's quick.
I'm also going to wait for any other country to use it.
But in the meantime, I'm just going to keep on leaning on my age-old cure of weed.
You know that's what coughing is, right?
Like, when you're coughing from weed, it's your body cleansing itself.
It's your purging the disease.
It's like when you take the toxins out of your feet, that black soot, it's the same thing coming out when you cough.
Like, weed just purifies your body.
I agree with that.
That's the way I feel about spitting.
I feel that way about spitting and sneezing.
Like, in my mind, like, sneezing is like you're trying to get the bad stuff out, right?
And so anytime I sneeze, I, like, encourage that.
Like, I never try to hold back a sneeze.
I feel like sneezing is very healthy.
But spitting in particular.
Whenever I have a cold, which is pretty rare, I spit a lot.
I do a lot of spitting.
I do a lot of, like, get it out.
And I drink a lot of hot coffee.
That's my cold remedy is hot coffee and a lot of spitting.
Whenever I am smoking weed and I sneeze from the weed, I'm like, wow, dodged a bullet.
That was close.
And I feel like another thing that's holding Ray J Politics back Is the popularity of Ray J in general, like of actual Ray J, of Kim Kardashian tape fame and Brandy's Little Brother little fame?
We need to get Ray J Politics tape out to more people.
More people have to see it.
That's why he's actually in that mailroom.
He shot the tape in that mailroom.
He was just revisiting.
No, ironically what I was going to say is Ray J Politics does a lot of like Forward-facing camera videos in the front seat of his truck.
He does a lot of these, like, videos that are only, like, a few minutes long, and I hate to say it, they're not good.
They're boring as hell, man.
And just, like, the intensity with which he writes is masterful.
Like, that is like...
It's like the uppercase, lowercase, the use of like antiquated slurs, like all of that is beautiful.
It's like if you were to take... If you were to audition for or if I had to audition for Minion Death Cult, For like the position that I have now?
You don't have to do that for another six months, so don't worry about it.
What I'm going to do in six months is I'm going to print out a Ray J Politics screen because I feel like it's just absolutely perfect.
It's like Boomer iambic pentameter.
There's like a beautiful logic to it.
It's like, there's like a beautiful logic to it.
However, when you watch his videos, he just doesn't have it.
He doesn't have it at all.
I'm going to play a little bit for the listener right here.
Hello fellow patriots.
Let me explain to you what's happening in the United States of America in 2020.
The Democratic Party of the United States or the Communist Party of the United States are using tactics only seen in the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
It's just, it's just not fair man.
happening today has only been witnessed in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Benito Mussolini's Italy.
These are fascist and communist tactics that's being used.
- It's just not fair, man. - He has, but what sucks is like, if he had more charisma, it'd work because he kind of has the same cadence as Wesley Willis.
It's kind of there.
To me, he sounds like... I can hear him being like, I went to McDonald's and I got kicked out.
I will not go to McDonald's anymore.
He's too calm though.
He's too calm and collected.
And he sounds like a dork.
He's calling Dems dorks, which of course they are, but he himself sounds like a dork.
Cause he's like, hello fellow, fellow, my fellow Americans, the Democrats or the Communist Party of the United States of America.
It's not.
And I'm like, I feel like I'm even giving it a little more oomph than he did.
Well, I kind of feel bad for him.
Cause like some people say that code switching is privilege and he hasn't figured it out yet.
And I don't think he's going to, I think he's past that.
I think he's past that curve.
I think he's just internalized all of that so he doesn't understand that he also benefits from white privilege.
Uh huh.
I'm just kidding.
I know you are, that's why I laughed.
Psych.
Psych.
I would love to leave that comment on his post and see what he says.
I've engaged with him.
I've engaged with him before on his comment section and then I like love his responses and he loves my responses and it's pretty wholesome.
You should be like, I don't know about you Ray J, but where's all this privilege people are talking about?
Like, like try to empathize with him?
Right.
Well, I mean, there was one in one video.
I was like looking for videos.
I was like, I want to give the listener like a taste of what his videos are.
So I was trying to find like the best one.
And there's just no good ones.
There's fucking no good ones.
And one of the first ones I clicked on was him wearing a shirt that said White Lives Matter.
And in the center of the White Lives Matter, it was a flag with a fucking marlin fish on it.
Interesting.
That's interesting.
What?
Can I get a shirt that says white wives matter?
I'm sure I'm surprised there's one that's not like white lines matter or.
No, it said, White Lives Matter, and it was a flag with a jumping marlin.
That's awesome.
That's not even like, a flag.
That flag itself is a gimmick.
Like, what?
It's just like, here's some dork-ass flag that a white person would wave.
That's awesome.
It's a flag with a fish on it.
White people sure love Marlins.
Um, yeah.
And then like you, you can, but back to his prose, just like another great example of, of his verbiage.
Uh, here's, here's what he says, um, about Lindsey Graham.
Ray J politics is feeling fed up.
Do you realize that this greasy ass serpent, Lindsey Graham, snake emoji, hasn't done a shittin' ass thing about the thuggery leveled against President Trump?
That's really good.
There's also like, he also just like, he calls Kamala Harris a prostitute and a whore a lot.
He's like, when she was humping and pumping her way through San Francisco.
That's fucked up, man, because, like, that's so fucked up.
Just because Kamala Harris, like, would never do anything like that because she's too busy locking up people for sex work.
So, like, fuck her.
And fuck him.
She doesn't get those wonderful titles that people earn.
Oh yeah, I found the flag.
The White Lives Matter flag.
What the fuck?
Wait, hold on.
I don't know.
Is Marlon considered like white meat fish?
I don't know.
I'm trying.
The fish is also upside down.
I don't know, man.
What the hell?
I don't know what's going on with this.
That's a Facebook algorithm shirt.
That's what that is.
What do white people love?
Themselves and deep sea fishing, right?
Never underestimate a white life born under a Pisces sign with two amazing grandchildren.
It is a rising marlin.
They may be pieces of shit, but they are mine, and I will defend them to the death.
With my life.
That's awesome.
What the fuck is that shirt?
You have to post that shirt.
Alright, I will.
I'll post it, alright.
Alright.
Twist your arm.
What are we at on time here?
Hour 13.
Okay, I think we got some comments.
We got some comments from that Newsmax article about the vaccine.
Newsmax.
Trusted source.
Newsmax.
Yeah, speaking of trusted sources, Dee Corday said, FDA endorsement is a problem for me.
Know if they don't like it, we'll do it in a heartbeat.
What do they think the FDA has been doing the entire time they've been alive?
They think the FDA has only been approving of soy products and, like, I don't know, secretly poisoning the meat stock.
It's so wild that the same people who complain about this kind of also will talk about things like overpopulation.
If you think the FDA is doing what they're doing, they're terrible at their jobs.
If you think the FDA is strictly trying to handicap and kill people, they're so bad at their jobs.
They're not trying to kill people, they're trying to turn people into sheep.
I think they're good at their jobs because meat's still legal.
That's where you really get brain worms from.
From actual worms in the meat.
They think it's like the fluoride calcifies your pineal gland.
It's not that it kills you, it's that it makes you more susceptible to communist indoctrination, which is why we're all communists now.
That's true.
Tap water.
You love tap water.
Dudes like Ray J Politics will talk about how we had the Red Scare and then there was a backlash against McCarthy for the Red Scare.
And so ever since then, Democrats have been free to pursue their communist agenda.
It's been like 50 years since that.
How are we not all communists yet?
How are we not?
If they were pursuing that agenda, then they're also very bad at it.
And they also say that they're still hiding it, if that's their agenda.
What are they waiting for?
If it was 50 years ago, why didn't they do all this under the communist god, King Obama?
Why are you not in the gulag, friend?
For anybody who doesn't know, you can get pencil shavings in pill capsule form approved by the FDA.
If you have enough money to get it into production, you can do it until somebody sues you for wrongful death.
Until enough people sue you for wrongful death.
What I will say about the FDA is that one of the most expensive things you can do is get your thing certified organic.
Yeah.
It costs so much money to get whatever you're doing certified organic.
It doesn't matter what you do or how you do it, it still costs money to do it.
They don't come in and say, good job, you did it, stamp, boom.
It costs a lot of money.
That's so funny because if you're selling chicken, you can just put on the package, Antibiotic-free chicken.
Like, our chickens have never... We've never used antibiotics on our chicken and, like, they don't have to say that it's actually illegal to use antibiotics on your chickens in California.
It's like, no chickens have that, unless you're, like, buying chickens from, I don't know, your neighbor, who's been, like, secretly shooting them up with it.
Yeah, for some weird reason.
They just give, like, they just give the chickens Benadryl every once in a while.
But like, also, it costs so much to get your chicken certified free range.
They don't just come to your farm and say, oh look, they're all open, they're all out here.
It costs, all the good things cost so much money, it's insane.
But do you have to get it certified?
Can't you just put free range on it?
No.
No?
No.
You can, but then you're risking false advertising because it wasn't certified by a third party.
The organic hustle is the most wild thing.
I work with a farm directly that does...
They do no spray.
They don't spray anything on their plants.
They just do drip watering and flood watering and that's it.
And they don't do any spray, which is pretty wild for bugs and stuff.
And they can't afford to get their stuff certified organic, even though they completely are.
Yeah, that sucks.
I mean, there's a lot of big agriculture involved in California.
I'm sure that that's part of it.
If you already hate capitalism, look into how it affects your food that's being grown.
You're going to hate it even more.
And I'm not even talking about Monsanto.
We're not even getting that big.
And finally, JustStatingFacts in the Newsmax comment section says, I find it so hypocritical that the leftist libtard left were the first to cry out about people who did not want to be vaccinated and berate them as never-vaxxers.
But not simply because we have a president who is able to remove red tape and bureaucracy to get a vaccine out as safely and quickly as possible to save American lives.
They all cry and wail.
Oh no, I will not get one!
Hypocrites!
Well, you know the first step in making things safer is removing red tape.
Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the red tape involved in having to get something certified organic or whatever, which is one thing.
And yeah, there's a lot of regulations that benefit the pharmaceutical industry and that sort of thing.
I just generally don't think I want red tape removed from developing a vaccine.
Nope, not at all.
Did people forget about these movies we've seen?
We've seen a lot of movies about these exact scenarios.
Maybe the thing that's wrong with COVID-19 is that people's flesh isn't falling off.
But that's really the only difference between what's happening in all these movies you've seen forever.
outbreak and so on.
But like, no, we need a little red tape.
We need to like know it works.
Yeah, I think generally that's probably a pretty good area to have red tape in is the development.
I mean, I think there's probably not enough red tape when it comes to pharmaceuticals.
Yeah, there's probably not enough barriers to to releasing, you know, medication and things like that.
Remember, there are three types of people.
One, those who make things happen, hyphen, leadership, hyphen, President Trump.
Well, if he's just like, he makes things happen by being like, yeah, I'm not going to check your homework.
Yeah.
That's how I make things happen.
He, he is that, that teacher that we were like warned about who makes it so easy that you suffer from it.
You know, it's just like, Hey, you got to work hard.
But he's just like, no, you're good.
You're good.
I'll take whatever vaccine, um, we can like know for sure he took.
But I don't think we're gonna ever know that.
I don't think he's gonna take any vaccine.
He's been, like, on the record, kind of, of saying that, like, vaccines cause autism.
Yeah.
He's been on the record saying that, and some people, like, he says, like, this story about how there was this beautiful baby, and the baby was perfect, and then they gave him a vaccine, and then it turned into a horrible little monster with autism, or whatever, and it's like, You know, A, that's not what happens.
B, people with autism aren't monsters and aren't damaged or whatever.
Yeah, what is it?
What is the term they use?
The awful term they use?
Vaccine damaged.
It's the same story that all the white moms on Instagram say.
Like, oh, I have this wonderful child who I didn't realize had signs of autism until the time about when they're supposed to show signs of having autism.
And guess what happened in the meantime?
Vaccines.
Yeah, it's pretty fucked up because they do say things that they're like, don't you dare tell me, uh, don't you dare tell me that vaccines are good when I have to live with my disgusting child with autism.
Yes.
Yep.
It's like really fucked up thing.
I've had that discussion.
I've had the discussion of like, don't, you don't tell me cause you don't understand how, how fucking hard it is to have a kid like this.
And it's like, yo, yo, chill.
Um, so, one, there are three types of people.
One, those who make things happen.
Leadership.
President Trump.
Those are the things that make things happen.
Two, those who take from those who make things happen.
Hyphen socialists.
Hyphen Bernie.
Uh, three, those who don't know what is happening.
Dementia Joe.
Hyphen literally everyone that's not Donald Trump apparently.
Yeah.
Or leadership.
Yeah.
And I don't know it's just it's like the conversation around vaccines it just like shows you how like malleable like these people's worldviews are that they don't trust the pharmaceutical industry rightfully so uh they're they're deathly afraid of vaccines wrongfully so um they have 100% faith in Donald Trump who is trying to get a vaccine pushed out quickly like with less
You know, rigorous testing or less like red tape than the vaccines that they're afraid of.
And they're championing this effort while at the same time saying, of course, I wouldn't take this vaccine.
Yeah, I would never do it.
Of course not.
Listen, I know they're busting their ass, but I'm not.
Fuck that.
No, thank you.
Also, coronavirus isn't a big deal, but I mean, Trump is trying to save all of us with a vaccine that I will not take.
I'll tell you what, I'll take a vaccine when I can get in a 12 ounce bottle that's ice cold.
That's the only vaccine I'm taking.
When I can crack open a cold vaccine with the boys?
When I can open up a vaccine and say, uh... Well, what the fuck were they saying?
Diddly dee dee... What were they saying?
They were saying... Zig... Nope.
I almost said... I don't know why I almost said zig-a-zig-ah, which is like the Spice Girls thing.
Which is of course short for shits and cigars.
Which, while they were recording that track, there was a guy who was also in the same studio, uh, like a neighboring studio.
Who would smoke cigars and take shits, and that's all they could smell while they were recording that track, If You Wanna Be My Lover.
So, I believe it was Scary Spice.
This is real, right?
This is real, right?
Yeah, Scary Spice scatted Zigga Zigga, which was short for, or like, you know, a way of saying shits and cigars.
Because that's what they would call it.
Like, I've been thinking about Zigga Zigga for the past week or two for some reason.
Song's kind of been in my head.
I don't know why.
Um, I think I just want to precaution everybody what comes with being my lover and my friend.
Um, but like, yeah, I'm happy I have this answer and being as it is you, I am not questioning it because I know it's real.
I did the research.
I know that was, I know you did the research.
Wow.
Zig-a-zag-ah is shits and cigars.
I love you.
I love you too, man.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you what the Budweiser catchphrase was.
It wasn't like diddly-dee?
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, it sucked.
Worst Super Bowl ever.
Yeah, I didn't even see the commercial, so I just saw everybody commenting it.
Me neither.
What else was I going to say here?
I don't know.
Good episode, Tony.
It really was.
Thank you, Ellie.
Thank you, Alex.
Thank you, Tony.
Fantastic episode.
Yeah.
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Alright, bye bye.
Bye.
Bye.
No one will take care of kids.
I won't.
Why won't you break me for two men?
It's all new.
You little housewife.
You know how to follow your career.
Even if it shifts me.
You have to know.
It's all new.
What does that work?
No more.
I don't know.
Girls like me get pushed on the floor.
And we don't care.
Move over the place in the rain.
Without your hands.
And all.
You're a million diamonds tall.
You explode.
You act bold.
You act, you act, you act, you act, you act, you act, you act, you, you, you, you, it's bold.
And love, good night and love, bad words and love, good night and love, bad words and love.
