You wanna talk about misogynism, well here's your chance! (w/Blocked Party)
This week the Blocked Boys Stefan and John join us to explore the great white north, from their local JK Rowling Billboard, to the greasy Staten Island diaspora of Vancouver, to the smaller curling and racism-based economies of their fair land Also, the Canadian Armed Forces has an idea for recruiting women who may be squeamish about civilian casualties: tighter uniforms, referring to war medals as "bling," and promising that your brothers in arms will not assault you. Listen to Blocked Party wherever you get podcasts http://twitter.com/blockedpartypod Support the show for $3.11/month at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult and get a bonus episode every week, as well as audio versions of the weekly live streams at http://YouTube.com/miniondeathcult Music: Warpaint - Elephants
I just had to come here and talk about a couple of things because I've been watching all this bullshit about the cops and people out on the streets and all this bullshit.
You know, I got to be honest with you.
For an old street guy, I gotta say that a lot of you, a lot of you have been very hard on the police, you know.
And, uh, don't get me wrong.
I ain't never been a fan of old Johnny Law or nothing like that, you know.
I grew up with the cops, you know.
I never went to court.
I got out.
And believe me, I had enough stuff on me.
I could have at least done a year.
You know what I'm saying?
But the other thing is, when the police stopped me, you know what I did?
I shut the fuck up.
I shut my fucking ass up.
And I took my fucking medicine.
And I said, yeah, officer, you're going to get some stuff.
I didn't try to.
Don't make them dig in.
Don't make them dig in.
You know who I am.
You know who I am.
- You're a wonderful, sweet, sweet, you know who I am? - You know who I am? - I'm gonna shut the fuck up.
I didn't put them off the spot.
And I am MinionDeathCult.
I shut the fuck up, I shut my fucking mouth, yeah?
Okay, maybe I'm fortunate 'cause I knew people. - I'm Alexander Edward, and I am Minion Death Cult.
Tony will be joining the show later when he gets home.
However, I'm not alone today because I have two just very special guests, two very wonderful boys, our neighbors to the north, Stefan Heck and John Cullen from the Blocked Party podcast.
How are you boys doing? - We're good.
We're trying to breathe through a very thick layer of smoke right now.
And there's also a big moth infestation outbreak going on in Vancouver too.
So we have a bunch of moths flying around.
We've got the smoke.
Is it because they can't find the sun or the moon to orient themselves because of all the smoke?
And so they're just flying into old ladies' hairs?
I think that has thrown them off a little bit.
I did see an article the other day saying that this has been a big boon for indoor cats because normally they're not going outside and fucking with the local bird population.
You got the moths coming inside.
Our cat has loved it, but it's also, like, we were wondering the other day, she got a bit of, like, an eye thing.
Like, she was scratching her eye, it was sort of, you know, welling up and stuff, and apparently it's because of the powder on the moths' wings.
So the moths are coming inside, she's eating them, and then she's, like, allergic to them as well, I guess.
But it's been a really weird past week.
I think Jon would agree.
I like to think of those indoor cats, sorry.
I like to think of those indoor cats as like the suburban fascists just like begging for Antifa to raid their homes.
These are like the cats who have never actually committed genocide.
Not like the cats that are out on the streets, you know, decimating bird populations or whatever.
But they just have this fantasy about the victims coming to them or the rioters or the loot, you know, the people trying to come in and cause a flap in your home, you know.
- Yeah, like if she could, she would be like open carrying it like a safe way.
That would be like her thing. - Yeah, yeah, if Geeky could do it, she would.
And it's funny too, because like a moth is like a smaller bird as well.
So it's kind of like the idea that like a suburban Antifa person, there's like maybe like three people that march down their like main street who are like anti-mask or whatever.
And then they're like, this is my chance, you know?
And like, meanwhile, in big cities, it's like hundreds of people versus hundreds of people.
But you're like, no, no, these three people, I'm going to, I'm going to tell them what's up, you know?
I'm picturing memes of, like, an indoor cat, you know, posting a meme of, like, a cat that's outdoors that's wearing, like, a tactical harness, and it's, like, and T, from the top frame, is, like, you know, moths, like, marching down into their cul-de-sac, and it's, like, moths say, uh, suburbs, we're coming for you next, and, like, the cat on the bottom's got his little paws ready for him.
Yeah.
Yeah, Kiki's posting online that the moths are the reason it's so smoky outside.
Yeah, exactly.
And Stephan, you conveniently... First of all, I believe the moth thing is like, it's something like every five years there's some sort of... It's every like 11 years.
Oh, 11, okay.
There's some sort of like super breeding thing or whatever.
Stefan also conveniently left out that not only is our natural world crumbling, but also our social world, because there was a news story that made some headlines in Vancouver yesterday, because someone bought a billboard and used the billboard space to just do a giant billboard that said, I heart JK Rowling.
Oh my god.
That was in your guys' area?
That was in Vancouver.
It was fairly close to my place, so I braved the smoke to go check it out, and there were a bunch of right-wing freaks sitting down in lawn chairs, waiting for people to come to confront them.
And they're just sitting out there.
The air quality index is like 220 and they're just like inhaling smoke to make a horrible point that like no one agrees with.
You're like hearing through the haze and you're like, what is that around that person's neck?
Oh, they've pried a women's restroom sign off the door and are wearing it like a pendant.
And it got it got taken down in like I think less than 24 hours and there's a really funny picture that one of them posted where they're like well like you know they may have taken it down but like we got our point across and it's just them like standing there in like a huge haze of smoke and this billboard is just like covered in like paint and like tomato splatter and it's like well you clearly lost like it got vandalized and it's getting taken down.
That's the cool thing about vandalism is it's so much easier to do than it is to clean up.
Like you can throw stuff up high but you can't like you know really reach up there to wipe it off.
It was almost funny too because they were They were giving a blow-by-blow reporting of the billboard being taken down, and they're like, oh, one bucket came up here, and they couldn't get it off.
They had to call a second bucket to pull the billboard down.
It's like, is that a brag?
It's not like your billboard was any different than any other billboard.
And also, these poor guys who have to come out and do this fucking manual labor on a Saturday in just the worst air quality imaginable.
Because these shitheads who don't even live, like they live like 25 kilometers away, basically.
And they're just like, I guess this billboard was available.
And so like, well, we'll do it here.
And it's up for like less than a day.
Yeah.
Great work.
It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard of.
I can't.
And they're like a husband and wife, I think.
And I like, I said this on Block Party, but I just can't imagine, pardon me, like sitting around my house with my wife being like, you know what we should do?
We should get a billboard that just says, you know what, we love J.K.
Rowling.
It's like, even if you like Harry Potter, it doesn't make sense to do.
Like, it's just such a weird... Well, it's like, goddammit, I'm sitting around, I'm trying to be attracted to my wife, but knowing that there are trans women out there is just making it impossible.
We need to take a stand.
Yeah.
We need to take a stand and make a statement and support J.K.
Rowling.
Like does any, you know, I don't want to spend too much more time on this, but does like anybody who's not an ultra online freak or a like outward TERF know what that billboard even is supposed to mean?
No, no.
And that's why they were allowed to put it up, obviously, right?
Right.
Is because people thought it was like, oh, it's a Harry Potter thing.
It's kind of weird, but whatever.
It's harmless.
And then I think a Vancouver City Councillor who's online enough was like, no, we know why they're doing this.
Can we please take this down?
And then it was down in less than a day.
Well, I'm pretty sure Vancouver has that.
I want to be that position.
I want to be that position for local governments.
I want to be the person who just knows what all the right wing people are talking about.
And so whenever they have to, like, consult somebody, like, is this racist?
And it's like, yeah, actually it is.
You know, I know it just looks like red string tied into a bow around, like, a trash can, but actually that's what they're doing now.
Yeah, the two online consultants.
Every city council should just have a young person on the council.
I'm a substitute teacher, so we're doing COVID training because we're going back to school.
Everyone was mad that we're going back.
And the big solution was like school will start two days later to give school staff an opportunity to, um, you know, to train another job, how to deal with COVID.
Yeah, exactly.
And so being a substitute teacher, I don't have a school building to go to.
So they made like a video for us to watch at home.
And it was so fucking boring and bad and it's like I work in the district and a good friend of mine is like an actor he's been on a ton of shows and he's so he's also a substitute teacher because he acts as well And I was messaging him and I'm like, why, why don't they just ask us to do this?
Like this is the word, like they're getting two people who work in the health and safety department for a school district who like clearly don't speak to people other than their own family, giving this one hour presentation on like this super depressing disease and how we're like all trying to like not die and give it to children.
And it's just like, And then so what you have to do and like the one woman's phone went off like six times during the recording of the video and I'm like I'm like texting my buddy I'm like we do this this is like what we do for a living why are we not the guys narrating this video to at least Give people some break from like the absolutely depressing nature of this.
It's like the same thing.
It's like, how does a city council or whatever, not just have Stefan should be the online guy for Vancouver.
He knows it's like, you know, just call Stefan up and he's like, yeah, no, that's a, that's a big problem.
You got to figure like go.
It's just the okay.
It's just the okay symbol.
What are you talking about?
No, no, no.
Trust me.
That's not.
It's just a frog!
No, you don't even want to get into the whole frog thing, I'm gonna be honest.
So while I was, you know, examining the Great White North, you know, preparing this episode, I was like, let's, you know, let's talk about some Canadian stuff maybe.
I added myself.
I joined a couple groups.
One of them was Canucks for Trump.
Another one was Canadian supporters of President Trump.
And I found a bunch of great posts, but like, you know, nothing that you could really dive too deeply into, but I've shared one of them in the chat with you guys, and this is how I kind of knew what you were dealing with in Vancouver.
A man, I can't remember his actual name, I think it's Mario, but he's got a channel on Facebook called MPTV.
I was gonna guess that's his name.
He's got big Mario energy.
He shared a selfie video outside and the caption says, Welcome to Vancouver, BC where the smoke in the sky is thicker than what comes out of my vape.
And the video is just him spinning around in a circle going, oh man!
It's crazy!
And it's like 30 seconds of that.
That was pretty cool.
But obviously, you know, can't really talk much about it, but he's just got a wonderful look.
He's just like extremely bald egghead guy.
He looks like he looks like an amalgamation of all the Jersey Shore guys.
Yeah, the backwards hat look, I'll do that look occasionally.
I don't have the world's best hairline, but you can still see my hair through the hole at the back of the hat.
That's why you get the snapback, to prove you have some hair.
Exactly, but this guy the snapback look does not especially because he also has it on like the angle too So it's like if it's from the front, it's like, okay, whatever but from the side, it's like, okay Well, like I can just like I can sort of guess what's going on on the rest of his head And then what are the sunglasses called?
These are like the Porsche sunglasses or the Ferrari so, you know, they're like the the plastic aviators from the 80s, you know Oh, yeah Yeah, definitely.
He's really got it going on.
Vancouver is like, and maybe this is the same of like every major city, but Vancouver is like kind of a very like yuppie sort of cosmopolitan city and then you just have to get like 15 minutes outside of it and everyone looks like this guy.
They all just like listen to house music and they club and that's their whole and they vape and that's their whole existence and I don't quite know like I say I don't quite know that every major city is like that but Vancouver is very much like yeah you don't have to get too far outside of it to find these absolute freaks.
Um, another guy I found through this guy, he's, he's, he's a New York guy, but it's a guy named Bull Capone, who looks like, uh, the Sicilian Thanos.
Bull Capone!
Uh, wearing, like, fake Chanel s- This, it was amazing.
It, it was, uh, the video I watched was called, uh, Cops and Robbers.
Bad Boys, tilde Bad Boys.
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do when they come for you?
And the video starts off with him just staring into the camera off at the angle, like, it's the exact Thanos angle, I think.
Uh and he's got like a like a like a portrait in the background of like a New York City street that's been uh the the what do you call it the time lapse the the open lens or the open focus where you can see the the neon streaks of the cars going by and the nightlife and that sort of thing.
Uh and then all of a sudden you hear what sounds like the Godfather theme behind him.
With a twist, because right after that, a hip-hop beat joins the chorus.
And so it's like a modern update of that classic song we all know and love, the Godfather theme.
And then he goes on to light a cigar and then French inhale the cigar three times in a row.
Before he starts talking, and then he talks about how, you know, I'm from the streets, and I never liked no cops, you know, but I think some of these Black Lives Matter guys are still giving them a hard time.
And then you find out later that his dad was a criminal attorney and he just got let off of every single charge he was ever arrested for.
He's like, I don't understand.
When I got arrested as a kid, I just kept my head down.
I didn't say shit.
I didn't fight with the cops.
And then, you know, made a few calls and I got let out a couple hours later.
And that was that.
Another thing that I... Do you guys know Ramblin' Dozer from Alberta?
No.
He's like a Yellow Vest guy, a Canadian Yellow Vest guy.
So he's like a Wexit guy then, right?
Yeah, I think so.
But what we knew him from was his big pro hot dog crusade.
We covered him like a year or a year and a half ago, and he got mad at a commercial A pro hot dog commercial that was like setting up an anti-hot dog straw man in the commercial that the hot dog company was like, responding to?
Like, we don't care if you don't want our hot dogs at your picnic, we're gonna bring them anyway, kind of a thing.
Or like, Canadians, they want, you know, tofu hot dogs.
Well, sorry, we only got all beef wieners here.
And the guy thought it was real?
Like, the Ramblin' Dozer thought it was like a real anti-hot dog campaign and so he made a video where he ate a hot dog?
Hey Canada, I hope you're having a good summer.
It's Ramblin' Dozer coming at ya from Red Deer, Alberta.
See what I got in my hand?
It's a hot dog.
I grew up on these and many of you did too.
I can't understand why the left is trying to outlaw hot dogs for our children.
They never did anything to me.
As a matter of fact, they're very good.
Quick, juicy, great to eat, and summer fun.
I hope you're having a good summer, and for the left, eat a frickin' hot dog!
I looked him up to see how he was doing, see if we could talk about him today, but he was involved in a pretty bad motorcycle accident because he forgot to fix the brakes when he replaced the rear wheel on his motorcycle.
My God.
So he broke his shoulder in two places and a rib.
Uh, so it's just all recovery stuff on his face.
I was like, all right, that's not, that's not that fun to talk about.
I mean, it sounds like you think it's very fun to talk about.
No, I just, I'm glad he's up and riding again.
He was able to ride to the Safeway.
He posted proof of it for all the haters.
Right.
And I'm happy about that.
You know, nothing really to make fun of there.
But you, I believe John, right?
Yeah.
You shared some great Facebook posts with me, which are Directly from your timeline, directly from your friends list, I believe.
From the old timeline.
Yep, that's right.
So this is like... Both of these are like older screenshots that I've just kind of saved for posterity over time, you know, just share with Becca or my friends or whatever.
Facebook for me, I think it's like, and it's probably similar for most people our age, like,
It just reaches a point where you're not even really on it anymore so like why bother curating anything like it's like why bother unfriending anybody or muting anybody or whatever because like who cares and so this is a girl I went to high school with and um you know we weren't really like friends in high school I think she just like added me on Facebook like five years ago and I literally never thought about it again and then her posts kind of started showing up in my timeline And this was a, this was a good one.
This was, um, so this is like kind of right around when COVID is starting.
So this is, I don't know the exact timeframe, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's like March probably.
Cause, um, she references being at the mall.
So like malls hadn't obviously closed yet or whatever.
So this is just like, you know, obviously, uh, I think, yeah, pre COVID or like not pre COVID, but like pre everything shutting down and quarantine and everything.
So she, she's, There is a reference to a mask here though.
So I feel like it might be a little later than March, maybe, you know, April or something.
Right, could be.
When we were being told to wear masks.
Smart, yes.
Good, good, good pickup.
So yeah, so she says, I was at the mall and I got stopped by a Chinese lady who was very nice and she was promoting Shen Yun, the classic Chinese dance that's at the Queen Elizabeth Theater in Vancouver every year that sells out like Hot Pockets.
or pot stickers in this case uh so already like something selling out like hot pockets is not real uh it's like it's it's also just it's really bad when the one of the first things she does is describe the person yeah chinese lady yeah that's a bad sign i remember sorry go ahead alex Well, I was wondering, maybe she said hot pockets instead of hot cakes because that makes the alliteration of pot stickers a little better.
Right.
Yes, that must be what it is.
So she was like laying some groundwork there for the racist pun.
Very, very possible.
Again, that implies that she thinks about this stuff.
Um, which I'm not sure that she does, but she might.
It's hard to say, but yeah, I agree.
Like, Steph and I remember, uh, one time there was this, like, open mic comedian and it was like the same kind of thing.
It was like, he was telling this story about being on the bus about, uh, he kept saying a brown lady on the bus.
There was a brown lady, brown lady.
He said it like seven times.
And then the like her race had nothing to do with the joke or like anything.
Like it was so weird.
Like you just kept feeling like, oh, I got to just keep reminding everybody of her race.
And like I wouldn't want it to be a racist joke either.
But at least that like kind of makes sense where you're like, you know, you're setting up that she's of a different race and then you slam it down with the punchline or whatever.
But there was no punchline where her race mattered at all.
So he was just like, you know what?
I just got to make sure everyone knows.
About a brown lady.
Yeah, I'm just putting it out there just like five times.
I just got to let everybody know that it's a brown lady.
So.
So anyway, yeah.
So.
Well, would you want him to like erase her existence or her identity so you can like feel good about your, you know, liberal colorless society?
That's exactly what I'm getting at.
Uh, you nailed it.
So thank you.
Yeah.
I just, that's what comedy is all about.
Um, so yeah, so, uh, So she got stopped by a Chinese lady who was very nice.
She was promoting Shen Yun, which is a classical Chinese dance show that's at the Queen Elizabeth Theatre in Vancouver every year.
And hearing the stories behind the dancing, etc.
really warmed my heart.
I was just a little bit nervous talking to her because of the coronavirus thing.
I hope that she didn't have the virus as she wasn't wearing a mask because I have a compromised immune system and if I were to get it I'd probably be in the ICU at the hospital and hooked up to a ventilator and in quarantine.
Smiley face, cry face.
I think it's very interesting that she's like Uh she's she's Chinese and I was worried because also she wasn't wearing a mask.
Yeah like okay well I mean one of those is I think a pretty valid concern maybe maybe lead with that one.
Yeah she she definitely had a few other posts where it she didn't come right out and say it but essentially the implication was um that like Chinese people are far more likely to have the virus so you know you have to be careful around them because you know that's where the virus came from and and that's who has it so
You can also tell it's an earlier COVID post because she mentions ventilators because I feel like talking about ventilators is like falling off, you know?
It was a big talking point back then.
I remember I was like eating on my on my lunch break at the Chinese restaurant around the corner from my house and The woman there was like being super nice.
She was like patting me on the back and like asking me if I wanted this or that.
And I was like, no, it's, you know, I'm good.
Thank you.
And then like on my container, she drew like a happy face and said, thank you.
And then when she gave it to me, she like pointed at the happy face and I was like, okay, yeah, I appreciate you.
Thank you.
You know, and I posted about it and people were like, oh yeah, she's like probably scared of racism.
And I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense, but I don't know if, like, being overly touchy with people is the way to, is the way to, you know, alleviate fears.
Yeah, that's... Not that I was, I didn't care that she, I thought it was very endearing, but it was just, it was funny and I guess sad also.
It's kind of the whole thing, like, we have this going on in Canada right now because, you know, I think, especially in America or people who don't really know, like, I think Or, no, I guess it's really more Canadians.
Like, seem to imagine that, like, Canada's this, like, idyllic place where racism doesn't exist and everyone is super cool and nice and it's great.
And we've been- Yeah, plenty of Americans think that too.
Right.
And it's been really brutal with the coronavirus because our numbers have been much less bad than America's, which is not- that's a low bar to clear, but our numbers have been quite good.
And so we have this like cockiness up here of like yeah we we're we're managing COVID like America you guys aren't managing it but in Canada we are and so there's this thing now where people will see American license plates in Canada and like key people's cars if they're parked or
yell at them and be like you know they'll be driving down the street and they'll be like Washington license plate like fuck you or whatever so it's gotten to the point where people will now be like they'll they'll write like notes and leave them in their back window or they'll even take that like kind of chalk or like um like erasable marker and write on their back window like I'm a Canadian but I like have an American license plate or whatever like don't you know like I have a right to be here kind of thing and it's just
It seems like that's kind of going in the same sort of vein of that story of like it sucks that people who are in these potentially marginalized situations are being like further marginalized because of our stupid like stereotypes about the virus.
Yeah.
I mean if you gotta be racist against someone, being racist against an American is probably okay.
The premier of British Columbia literally came out and was like, so any Americans that are up here with American license plates, maybe just like take the bus?
Yeah, he literally said that.
He said, take the bus or get BC license plates.
Like he was like, oh, if you're from BC, but you, but you live in Seattle or like, you know, if you have dual citizenship and you normally live in America, but now you're living in BC because of COVID, maybe you should just like get BC license plates.
How were you dressed?
What was your car wearing?
Hey, what's up, Tony?
We got Tony in the chat, folks.
Hey, Tony.
Sorry about that, y'all.
That's okay.
What up, man?
No problem.
Chillin'.
I just got home, got the kid all set up.
I got the kid all set up, and one of the only rules in existence is don't answer the door, and sure enough, she just peeked in right now.
I was like, hey, someone's here to ask you a question.
Uh-oh.
It was the census guy.
Not wearing a mask.
Oh, cool.
As a UPS guy, I can confirm that like every child answers the door.
Every kid answers the door.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm like pulling the door shut in the kid's face.
I just want to say really quickly that the Shen Yun performing troop thing is like it's very weird that that's part of that because they're like funded by Falun Gong, I'm probably mispronouncing that, which are like expats of China and kind of like a cult in their own right and they promote a lot of very weird stuff including funding the far-right website the Epoch Times to which I am a subscriber.
I did not know that connection was there, that's nuts.
It's very interesting that she was like, oh yeah, I was just hanging out with Falun Gong at the mall.
Yeah, very normal, very normal stuff.
Well, we had, there was a long, Stephan, you remember when they were like protesting outside the Chinese Embassy for like, for like six years.
They were there for a while.
They were there for years.
It was crazy.
They had built this like temporary structure outside of the Chinese Embassy in Vancouver.
And someone would be in there 24 hours a day.
There'd be like one person just like sitting in.
They had kind of like a, almost like what you would see like a parking attendant in, but it was just built out of wood.
And they would be in there like meditating or whatever and they had all these like banners and the Chinese embassy was fighting with the city for like literally years to try and get them removed and then it finally did but yeah.
Like, a lot of those xenophobic stories about China, I'm not standing for China as a nation or anything, but a lot of, like, the weird, like, Orientalist stories about Chinese culture and China and stuff, like, comes from them.
They're, like, sourced in a lot of those stories, which is just interesting.
Let's move on to this next post that you have, which is also pretty interesting, John.
Yeah so this is a classic uh so again I think especially living in Vancouver I think there is an idea that um where Canada is again pretty like overall like left-leaning uh and like a good place to live And I think people get that idea from the cities of Canada.
I mean, I think that's generally true, especially of Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal.
Well, actually, no, Montreal's, I mean, Quebec is its own thing.
But there is this sense, I think, especially if you live in a major Canadian city, that you think everyone in Canada is woke to a certain degree.
And that's just not the case.
There's just a ton of small town Canadian people who are kind of simple and they live their life.
And this guy is one of those guys.
They're going to fucking eat hot dogs, whether you like it or not.
Exactly.
That's exactly.
And the hot dogs, they won't be tofu dogs.
I'll tell you that right now.
They're made of dead animal.
And they won't be cool dogs either.
I know you people on the left, you want us to eat the cool uncooked dogs, you know, and we won't do it.
They got to be hot.
Yep, we're putting them on the grill.
We are cooking them to temperature, and then we're eating them immediately.
So, suck on that, libs.
Burning my tongue to own the people I think want me to eat.
The real flavor comes from the char, and anyone who knows anything knows that.
It's absolutely right.
It's true.
Yeah.
So yeah, so this is like so I'm a curler.
So, you know, I curl it like you can't really curl professionally, but I kind of curl at that level of like, you know, my team was ranked in the top 30 to 50 in the world for the last like I didn't play last year, but the kind of like five or six years before that, I was on one of the one of the top teams.
So like how how how far off are you from like potential Olympic He's very bashful about this but John is a very good curler and he was like I would say would you say like two steps away basically?
Well, so how it works is Canada does an Olympic Trials to determine the curling teams that go to the Olympics.
And they admit 16 teams to get into the Olympic Trials.
And for the last Olympics in 2018, my team was ranked 21st in Canada at the time.
So we were like five teams away from getting into the Trials.
Now, we would have never won the Trials.
Sorry, Alex?
They take you as a whole team?
It's not like individual all-stars that are then put on a team together?
Correct, it's a whole team.
Curling is like that.
You have to have that communication with, you have to know the throw before you can brush in front of it or whatever, right?
Exactly, yeah.
Are there like feel-good curling movies?
Well, there's only one curling movie pretty much ever.
It's called Men with Brooms.
It stars Paul Gross, who's like Canada's hero.
He's been in like a bunch of different movies and he was in a TV show up here called Due South that was like very popular.
And Leslie Nielsen is in it, obviously.
Donald Sutherland.
They just rounded up all the somewhat famous Canadians.
And it's not a bad movie.
Becca and I actually watched it in quarantine, and she was, I think, a little surprised at how much she liked it.
It's by no means a great movie, but it's not a bad movie.
What's your position?
What do you do in curling, Jon?
So I play lead, which means I throw first and then I sweep the rest.
So a common misconception that people have about curling who don't know anything about it is that there's throwers and sweepers and you do one or the other.
So yeah, so how it works is there's four players on a team.
You've got your lead, second, third and skip.
Everybody throws two rocks in a row.
So the lead throws the first two, then the second throws the next two, the third throws the next two, then the skip throws the last two.
And obviously you alternate with the other team.
So yeah, so I played lead, so I would throw the first two and then I would sweep the remaining six.
Got it.
Which do you like more, throwing or sweeping?
I like both.
I mean, I think they're both a big part of this.
So the skip doesn't... That's a great political answer.
Okay.
One thing I actually wonder about curling, and this is as a Canadian even, is do they have access to the bird's eye view of the sheet of ice when you're curling?
No, you don't.
Because I feel like that would help quite a bit too.
Yeah, it could, but yeah, no, we don't have access to that angle.
I feel like curling, like I know it's probably older than this, but I feel like curling was inspired by that, I don't know, Mary Melody's bit or Looney Tunes bit where someone wants to putt at a hole at a golf Yeah.
Golf course or whatever.
And so they carve the grass into like a channel leading up to the hole and then they putt down the channel.
And I feel like that's kind of what curling is.
That is actually how it started.
So that's crazy that you know that considering you don't know anything about curling, but that is... I just put it together.
A Scottish guy saw that and he was like, holy shit, like if you froze that grass and you gave some of these people brooms, I mean, now you're cooking with gas.
Yeah, so that's exactly how it happened.
Okay, back to Facebook though.
Back to the important stuff here.
Yeah, sorry for this long aside about curling, but my whole point, the only reason I brought curling up is because, as you can imagine, a lot of people who are good at curling come from small towns.
In Canada, the curling club is often kind of the center of the town in a way that, like, I don't think really any other sport can relate to because it's so social.
Most curling clubs have, like, a restaurant or a cafe inside of them.
They have a bar.
Um, so it really does become, like, a center of a small town.
So a lot of, like, the best curlers in Canada, anyway, come from really small towns.
So, as someone who pretty much grew up in major... I mean, I grew up outside of Vancouver, but always within, like, the... and I grew up in Toronto as well.
So I... but I was always within an hour of the major cities.
So, you know, I'm kind of an exception to the rule.
So you end up curling with a lot of these guys who are from small towns and who maybe are a little bit more close-minded.
So it's interesting because, like, The guy I'm gonna read the post from, like, I like him.
He's, like, a fine enough guy.
I don't think he's, like, a bad person.
He just, like, you know, he's just one of these guys.
He likes to hunt.
He likes to fish.
He hates Justin Trudeau.
He thinks the government's trying to steal his money.
Yeah, I agree with all of that so far.
Exactly like so he's not like a bad guy but he does have some pretty questionable opinions because you know he's not also not exactly like you know the smartest guy on earth.
So this is his post here.
Whistler has received about six feet of snow in the past six days and is forecast to get another 18 inches the next two days creating epic skiing conditions for the holiday season.
Hey, person's name redacted, do you think that the mayor of Whistler will now send a thank you letter to the oil companies for creating quote, extreme weather events, which are now helping their town in Ski Hill?
Or would that be hypocritical?
And we all know they aren't hypocritical at all.
I love that.
So had Whistler, had the mayor of Whistler, like, sent a mad letter at the oil companies prior to this?
I mean, that's a great question.
I don't know the answer to that.
I mean, maybe, I guess.
I feel like from the context, he's probably at least mentioned climate change to some extent.
But it is funny because it feels like I hear more about, so Whistler is like a ski resort town just outside Vancouver and I feel like just anecdotally I hear about them not getting snow.
More often.
Like, I remember the 2010 Olympics.
One of the big things was... I mean, the mountains closer to Vancouver, definitely there was, like, no snow, but I feel like Whistler had the same issue as well, and it was, like, February 2010, and it was just, like, warm, and, like, just no snow.
Yeah, they had to bring in snow.
I see what you're saying, Stefan, but they got snow in this post.
Yeah.
Which I guess cancels out all the other stuff, right?
Yeah.
I mean, if you look outside and there's snow, then what's the problem?
That's true.
You know, you just don't remember the other times.
Like it's pretty easily when you have like a goldfish's brain, you know?
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think the thing with Whistler too is that like these people don't recognize... So it's like Stefan said, it's like you either hear about Whistler in the context of they're not getting enough snow or they're getting like epic dumps like this.
And what these people don't seem to grasp is like extreme and fluctuating conditions like are the signs of climate change you know so like I do often see these posts from from a lot of these kind of small town curlers of like oh like we got you know five feet of snow how do you how do you like that climate change people or whatever it's like yeah that is part of climate change that's you're just like proving your own point Yeah, the volatility is part of it.
That's my favorite thing.
Anytime it's cold, they're like, take that global warming.
I wore a jacket today.
I think it's cool that he's like, oh, that would be hypocritical if you thanked them for the extreme weather.
Because before, you were mad about the extreme weather.
So you still have to be mad about the good ski conditions.
Or else you're a hypocrite.
Yeah.
You still have to be mad at the oil companies for definitely causing the snow.
Or else you're a frickin' hypocrite.
Also, that's like a lot of snow even for Whistler, so that is still like a form of extreme weather.
Yeah.
It's just like the other way.
So, yeah, there's a lot going on there.
John, how well do you know this guy?
I've curled against him for, I mean, like I've known of him for 20 years.
I've curled against him for, I mean, 10, a little over 10.
Because like, you know, it's a small community.
If you're like an elite competitive curler, like in BC, in the times, so before last year, I had made it to Provincials 10 years in a row.
And how it works in Canada is like, they have one winner from every province makes it to the Nationals.
Um, and so you have your provincial championships and that's like the biggest tournament of the year.
That's what we prepare for.
And so it started as eight teams.
By the time I retired, it was 16 teams.
So you get a lot of these guys from kind of all over these small towns in BC that like, you maybe don't see them during the year, but you see them every year at provincials.
And he's, he's one of those guys that I, that I saw like at least once a year for eight or nine years, you know, he's, and he's a really good curler.
You were curling against this guy?
Against him, yeah.
We've never been on the same team.
Why are you Facebook friends with an obvious enemy?
Curling is a very friendly community, Alex.
It's a very social one.
I don't understand that.
Well, that's fair enough.
Makes no sense to me.
You're a tough sports guy.
And again, that would be someone on Facebook who'd be like, curling!
Everybody's friends in curling!
What the fuck?
I remember football!
Like, Patrice O'Neill has that awesome joke about how, you know, football's too soft now, and when someone gets hurt, like, everybody, like, kneels and prays that they get better or whatever.
And he's like, when we were in high school, like, we would try to kill the guy.
Like, we'd kill someone, then we'd show up the next week with pieces of his jersey ripped off and tied up on our mask.
Well, he put his money where his mouth is by dying, right?
Yeah.
I always hated that joke because when I played football for a brief period of time, I had a play where it resulted in a kid not being able to walk for like 10 years.
And it was completely and totally my fault.
And my coach was like, good job!
You fucking did great!
And I just never played football after that.
Wait, so he was able to walk after 10 years?
It wasn't actually 10 years.
It was like he couldn't walk well for a long time.
He couldn't actually walk for like six years.
Oh, that's okay.
That's fine then.
He walks now.
And this is from like a tackle?
Like you tackled him and then he couldn't walk after?
Yeah.
Oh man.
How relieved were you when you found out he could walk?
Was that like a load off your back?
By that time he'd become kind of an asshole.
But I don't know if there's any correlation or causation there.
I mean, I don't know.
I did hit him extra hard because he was talking a lot of shit.
But I didn't mean to do that, obviously.
It was a load off of Tony's back because he was able to stop carrying him around.
Yeah.
It was like so awful, like he gets like, you know, ambulanced away and my coach is like, you're starting now.
Cool.
Cool.
This is traumatizing for me.
There's a player in the NHL who murdered a guy.
So at least you didn't do that.
Now I have an inextricable trauma associated with success.
John, which player is this?
Casey Zizekas.
I didn't know that, what?
On the Islanders, yeah.
And it was apparently a brutal, illegal, they were playing rugby.
Oh, is this when he picked the guy up?
Yeah, he picked the guy up and slammed him on the ground, and the guy hit his head and died.
There was a lot of talk that he was gonna go to jail, but he was also a star junior hockey player when this happened, so then he just didn't go to jail, and now he's in the NHL, and has been in the NHL for like 10 years.
That's kinda what's wild too about that, is that I went to another school later on, and um I was like I was going there illegally I was transferring illegally there and um they like pulled me in the office like hey like you're that kid right that like like you you hit that other kid real hard right they're like yeah like cool so if you want to play football for us you can stay if not you got to go And I didn't play football, so I left that school.
But I'm like, how fucking can I not?
If you want to hurt more kids, you're more than welcome to receive our education.
Yeah, if you want to do that more.
If you want to just stack some more trauma on top of that, you can totally stay here.
Remember in the movie, Simon Birch?
This is an important death cult.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
No, no, that's okay.
Remember the movie Simon Birch?
Where he finally hits a home run at baseball and it ends up killing the teacher that he's in love with?
Oh my god.
Simon Birch is the saddest movie I've ever seen in my whole life.
Bless you for bringing that up.
Usually I bring it up and people are like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Like, I cried.
That movie is just like the whole movie is just like uh what's the guy uh it's just like you just you're just getting kicked in the balls the whole movie but that scene is like really funny though right like out of context because he like hits the ball really high in the air yeah and then it hits it's his friend's mom i think right and then Who basically raised him because his parents are shit.
Yeah.
So, like, his best friend is, like, normal and he's a dwarf or whatever.
I did air quotes.
That doesn't help.
That didn't come through on the podcast.
It was a sardonic usage of the word normal.
We all heard it.
Yes.
Yes.
And then Simon Birch is a dwarf.
And then, yeah, his, like, his quote unquote normal best friend, like, is the only person who treats him normally and doesn't make fun of him or whatever.
His parents suck ass.
Uh, the, his best friend's mom is so sweet to him and amazing.
I think it's, is it Ashley Judd maybe?
I can't remember.
I think so.
Uh, but yeah.
And then, yeah, he like, his whole thing is he wants to get a hit in baseball.
Then he finally, uh, gets a hit and it goes out of bounds and hits the mom out of play and hits the mom in the temple.
Hits her right in the temple.
While she's like, I think she's like walking through the parking lot or something.
I don't know.
It's, it is with the way it's edited is, is pretty funny.
I probably unintentionally, so.
I haven't seen it since I was younger like I feel like if I had never seen it before and I watched it now I would probably laugh at it but like when I saw it as a kid I was like oh my god this is devastating.
It has a good ending though because he dies at the end.
Yeah.
Saving people though.
He saves them from a bus accident.
He's the only one who's like small enough to get into the bus window while it's submerged in water or something like that.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
The bus goes off the bridge, Lord of the Flies style, and then it's filling up with water.
The emergency exit on the back of the bus is broken.
He's able to climb through the emergency exit of the window and he like saves a bunch of kids out of that window or whatever.
So he was like useful after all.
Does that actually happen in Lord of the Flies, or is that just the Simpsons anime?
Does that actually happen in the book?
I haven't read the book in a long time.
In the book, Lord of the Flies is a character named Milhouse, says, go grapefruit, and it gets lodged under the bus's brake.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, in Lord of the Flies it's a plane crash, I'm pretty sure.
Okay, that makes more sense, yeah.
Um, so yeah, uh, moving on to our next topic of the night.
We have an article here from February of this year, but it's just, gosh, it's so interesting.
Felt like it was worth discussing on this episode.
This is from the Ottawa Citizen.
Uh, the headline reads, Military, colon, shorter skirts, disaster relief, and highlighting medals as, quote, bling, might bring more women in.
The Canadian Armed Forces has set up a goal of having women fill 25% of the ranks by 2026.
Women currently make up 15.9%.
And I think it's worth noting that like the American Military Times, which is like a pretty large, like widely read publication, was like making fun of this.
And they said, in their assessment of this article, or in their coverage of the article, they said that 16% of Canadian women were in the military.
Wow.
Which is funny.
That's not the case, just to be clear.
Yeah, one in every five Canadian women is in the military.
You know, the famed strong Canadian military that you always hear about?
I was told, Alex, this article, this headline is so out there that I just thought I was misreading it.
Because my brain doesn't work correctly all the time.
So I'm oftentimes confused when I'm reading something.
And I thought for sure that I was just missing something.
Like, I thought they meant, like, skirts.
They meant, like, to get around.
There was like no way that what they were saying was like, oh no, we need to get shorter skirts and more metal, more bling.
I read bling and I thought they meant like a radar blip or a ping or something.
Yeah, I thought it was like, when I first heard the headline, my thought was that it was like an op-ed column.
Like that it was just one 70-year-old white man's opinion of like, oh the military doesn't have enough women in it and that's a big problem because you never know.
It's 2020 and we got all this stuff going on and we might need a stronger military and if we're gonna have a stronger military we're gonna need women and how do you get women in there?
You gotta, you know, you gotta just take it to them.
It's gotta be pumpkin spice lattes every day and really spruce up the uniform.
Maybe we do a meme where it's, uh, we say WAP and then it's Women Ass Patriots.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what it read like to me at first.
And then when I started reading it and I was like, Oh no, this is just a reporter reporting facts.
I was like, Oh my God.
Yeah, facts.
Let me read some of these facts here.
As part of efforts to entice females to serve, Canadian military officers are suggesting highlighting the social and entertaining aspects of life in the ranks, as well as redesigning uniforms that women wear so skirts are shorter and slimmer.
Such initiatives, along with proposed social media posts like, quote, my bling are my medals.
Yes.
And, quote, my war paint is camouflage.
Wow.
What?
Not like your war paint that you wear for your non- I don't know.
I understand bling.
That's something that people had a lot of in 2007.
But I don't understand where war paint's coming from.
This whole thing is so great.
You're out here wearing chains.
I'm out here wearing the ears of my fallen enemies.
We are not the same.
We are not the same.
Isn't camouflage, like what, doesn't it just make sense that if you had war paint on that it would be camouflage?
Yeah, yeah.
Because you're in the military, like that's sort of just what it would be.
You know what it is?
You know why it doesn't make sense?
Is that they were like, they were a cunt hair away from saying, my makeup is camouflage.
And they were like, no, that's, that's too on the nose or whatever.
So then they go to my war paint is like men wore war paint.
I don't, you know, I can only see that making sense as if they were trying to skirt like the first draft, which had my makeup is digital camo.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, yes.
I think you're right.
That's got to be what it is, right?
Because, yeah, no woman is like, and again, sorry to be a white man speaking on behalf of women, but I feel fairly safe that women would share this opinion that like, or at least I should say in my experience with women, I've never had a woman getting ready to go on a date with me and she's like, hey, just give me a minute to get my war paint on here.
I got to That's why I gotta get suited up for this date.
You say that, but have you heard the song, Elephants, by Warpaint?
Cause it's fucking, it's really good.
And I, Warpaint is like a, you know, a preeminent all female, female band.
And I know like John Frusciante helped produce them and I think drummed on the EP, but you can really kind of put aside his participation in the band.
You just kind of helped, you know, fill in a slot for him here and there.
Um, maybe that's what they're going for.
Even though Warpaint here is two words.
Yeah.
Could be.
Also, you know, like when I, when I put on War Paint, the band, it makes me feel like I'm wearing camouflage.
It makes me feel like invincible.
Yeah.
And sexy.
I think that's right.
I mean, when you watch the Warpaint music videos, you're like, damn, they look like they're having a good time.
They look free and unencumbered.
We should model the Canadian female uniform after what the bassist is wearing in the video, which is just nothing.
She's like wearing like a sheer top over nothing.
This is like not the first time that the Warpaint videos come up.
I was gonna say, it sounds like you guys know what you're talking about.
These references are 100% landing with me.
I just want to let you guys know.
These references are just like bullseye.
It's like, did you study me before I got on here?
Like wow.
My thing is I love making jokes and references for exactly three people.
Oh, it's the best.
It's my favorite thing to do.
There are like three listeners who have been listening to Warpaint long enough to know the John Frusciante thing.
Those people are the coolest people and that was for them.
Shout out to them.
The recruiting analysts point out that women now make up more than 50% of Canada's population.
Whoa.
Wow.
Daring, daring take.
That's some analysis, technically.
Women be existin'.
You ever notice this?
It's true.
You notice this shit?
Half of humanity be women.
What the hell?
This is crazy shit.
Well, I mean, like, when your number one resource is, like, human lives, you gotta work with what you got.
And now that you realize you have an abundance of, like, you know, women, you gotta maybe think about getting some slimmer, shorter skirts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah.
Given the difficulties of finding fit and able applicants across the entire 17 to 30 year old population, it would be ludicrous for the CAF, Canadian Armed Forces, I guess, to exclude half the population, one documented.
One document noted.
But women are reluctant to join the military, according to the analysts, because they have a, quote, discomfort with a profession that involves combat.
And if you're like a, uh, you know, misogynist guy, you just stop reading right there and you're like, yeah, of course, you know, women, women hate fucking killing people.
That's, that's just their nature.
Uh, but if you continue reading, uh, they, they have a discomfort with, with a profession that involves combat and a job that has the, quote, potential of killing people, especially innocent people.
Yes.
Incredible.
I mean, that seems reasonable to me, but you know, I'm not a military analyst.
I mean, I think a lot of people, like, maybe it's just like implicit on a lot of people's LinkedIn profiles, but I feel like they don't, they're not looking for a job that results in the murder of innocent people across the gender spectrum.
Me neither.
Call me a woman, I guess.
You would think that, but I mean, here we are in a world full of, you know, people signing up to become cops and such, so yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's true.
Well, it only took 3% to do the job back then, you know, so it's all we need.
I don't know if, Alex, I'm just reading like the idea they came up with for the commercial.
Yeah.
Go ahead, read it.
Okay.
Advertisements aimed at the younger generation are also important.
One proposal to highlight work and life balance for a young woman in the Canadian Forces called for a video showing a female soldier taking off her helmet at the end of the day, while male and female co-workers gather and agree to have a campfire at a sandy beach.
Later, they grill marshmallows, laughing and relaxing.
Yeah.
Fuck.
You know, the military does sound sick.
It's like campfire girls.
It's like the military is just campfires?
I love this.
Yeah, this sounds pretty good.
Okay.
Now, what are you guys betting that the helmet shot is going to be like something out of a shampoo commercial?
Absolutely.
Oh, with the shaking of the hair.
What a tough day of my war paint and my bling.
She's under a waterfall too for some reason.
And then an older woman looks over and she's like, I'll have what she's having.
Canadian Armed Forces logo stamps on the screen.
That's when they're like, uh, there's, there's jobs available for older people too.
Like they want to make sure that it's not, you don't just think it's like, they're looking for soldiers.
They're also like, we've got a lot of administrative jobs available too.
I'll enlist where she's enlisting.
But this, this next sentence I feel is also kind of revealing.
There are also, so this is like what the armed forces is up against when they're trying to recruit women.
There are also concerns about sexual harassment in the military, as well as a sense that veterans, quote, are not well supported and often suffer from PTSD.
So, uh, yeah, not, not only just like, you know, PTSD, killing innocent people, like, you know, being part of an occupying force and not really part of a, like a liber, uh, what's, what's the phrase?
Like a, uh, free, a freeing agenda, like not actually fighting on behalf of oppressed peoples.
You know, like we did that one time in like 1942.
It's been a minute.
So, other than that, there's also, I don't know, the very like possible reality of getting disappeared by your commanding officer because you had allegations against other people in the unit.
Yeah, but on the other hand, you could hang out at the beach.
You could get some sick bling, Stephan.
Awesome bling, dude.
I've heard that's what happens, actually, when you disappear.
You just kind of go off to a Margaritaville-type lifestyle on a beach and just kind of man a hut where you listen to it on a radio and that's your job.
I mean we all saw that episode of Black Mirror where after you die you just join like a partying retirement community.
And that's really what it's like when you get killed, when you get stuffed in a barrel full of acid by a drill sergeant.
It's always 1700 somewhere.
That's true.
That is true.
I like this.
There's one more thing I wanted to read here.
I mean, the uniform thing is kind of funny because I can understand how like, you know, dudes, one of the reasons dudes want to join is probably because they want to look cool in a fucking uniform or whatever.
And I've heard that part of like the recruitment process is the recruiters will have like the applicant put on the uniform to see themselves in the uniform, right?
Like, maybe if they were handing me, like, the marine sword and, like, you know, put me in front of a green screen with that, like, lava monster behind me, like, maybe that would get me.
They would have to give you the sword and throw fruits at you.
That's the only way you're gonna do it.
Are you guys familiar with that commercial?
That Marines commercial?
No, we don't have special forces.
Yeah, you're goddamn right you don't have Marines there.
There was a series of recruitment ads for the Air Force and the Marines where it was literally a guy in ragged clothing pulls a sword out of a rock, and then he fights a hell beast with it, like a Lord of the Rings lava rock monster.
Like the Balrog.
The Balrog.
And then once he defeats it, he puts the sword in front of his face, and it becomes the narrow marine saber, and the uniform materializes on him or whatever.
If they could recreate that experience for me personally, I might have joined.
Yeah, Canada's not.
Because I was just drawing myself slaying dragons anyway.
The thing with us is, like, we don't fight really ever.
So, like, we haven't really since World War II.
So, I think our main, like, our recruitment videos are just, like, they'll just show, like, army officers, like, shaking people's hands and stuff.
They're just like, oh, like join the peacekeeping mission or whatever.
And then it's like, it'll be like a group of like people of color.
And then it'll be like the army.
And then it'll be like, you're just shaking.
It's like, oh, we're just shaking hands.
Like, hey, here we go.
Like that is literally like Canada's probably greatest quote unquote war hero of the last like 20 years is a guy named Romeo Dallaire.
The guy who shook the most hands.
His book is literally called Shake Hands with the Devil.
Yeah.
And it's the whole thing is about him being like a peacekeeper.
I think it was Rwanda, right, Stefan?
I think he was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was like a peacekeeper.
I love having Rwanda.
And that's his whole like.
Yeah.
And he's like our war hero.
It's like, damn, this guy shook a lot of fucking hands, man.
I love, I love being like a peacekeeper, that being your brand and you're still going to title your book, uh, I met with the devil.
Yeah, I was keeping the peace.
It seems a little incendiary.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And don't get me wrong, I think he's a good guy, or it seems like, I mean as far as like a military guy can be, he seems like a pretty like special dude, but it's also just very like That's the Canadian way.
We don't have our Twitch Canadian Army recruitment channel or whatever.
We don't have that kind of death cult up here.
We just don't.
I think if the Canadian Army put out a video like that, or a recruitment commercial like that, where it's like, look at the fucking people you can kill!
Look at the people you could kill if you joined us!
People would be mad, actually.
I think people would be legitimately like, what the hell?
No, here- Look at this, look at this Islamo rock demon you've just slayed by joining.
Here we're literally like, oh you like modern warfare?
It's way cooler in real life.
Yeah, which is so fucked up.
You know, the uniform thing though, I get it though, because I mean like, call me, I think it's kind of a weird thing that I have and like, please like, don't king shame me here.
I don't know, it's something that I think might make me weird for being into it, but I am a sucker for a guy in uniform.
I just love it.
I'm just real horny for uniforms.
I get it.
Even if the uniform includes shorts?
Like, I don't know, a postal carrier or a FedEx guy for instance?
No, because I like them to be classy and I don't want to see knees.
I don't want to see knees before a fourth date.
It's kind of what I suspected.
In Canada, sorry to interrupt, just on the uniform tip as well.
In Canada, our big uniform is the RCMP uniform.
It's not the army uniform, it's like the classic red.
You get the red serge with the hat and the boots and everything.
What's up with the knees?
Isn't there like a weird thing with the knees in those?
Don't they like jut out like horns or something?
Or am I thinking of something else?
I think you're thinking of something else.
No, they have like the stirrups or whatever sort of or like don't they?
Well, they wear like knee-high leather boots.
Hmm.
They kind of bellow over.
No, it's like something with the pants.
They bellow over.
The hips are wide and they kind of bellow over the boot.
Yeah.
Interesting.
It's a weird look.
Okay, I could see that.
But I was going to say, Tony, is it all combat uniforms for you, or police uniforms, or what is it?
It's any type of uniform that I know that when you're wearing it, you can take a life with impunity.
That gets me going crazy.
Like a UPS guy.
Like a UPS guy.
Well, see, because UPS guys, they have the power of access.
They can go anywhere you want, and that's real horny.
And I mean also, like, I've saved so many lives every day by not driving over pedestrians in downtown Seattle.
Also, you know, all the things that you like to deliver to hospitals and stuff.
Yeah, that's true.
Sounds like Tony's getting kind of horny right now, I'm gonna be honest.
I'm gonna say kind of is not the word.
So the end of this commercial that Stefan, you were talking about, about like, you know, campfire grilling and like, you know, playing Wonderwall on a drug rug or whatever, is this type of video would show, quote, friendship.
The video would continue showing a male co-worker dropping off the woman at her home and waiting until she is safely inside.
Such imagery would show, quote, trust in co-workers.
This man would never sexually assault you.
He would drop you off at home and sit on his hands while you got out of the car and walked in through your front door.
There's one other thing that... where is it?
Yeah, okay, right here.
Another analysis suggested a campaign using social media posts could be produced.
Ideas included a post showing a female soldier throwing a grenade with the caption, of course I throw like a girl, but I never miss.
Yeah, hell yeah.
Oh my god.
I love that.
I mean, that's the thing about grenades, right?
Horseshoes and grenades.
You can't miss.
You just gotta get close, baby.
And then they're permanently injured.
That's it.
Their lives will be changed.
Or ended.
Yeah, exactly.
Hey, I might be a miss, but my victims are going to be Swiss cheese, that is.
It's like a montage of like a girl playing baseball and then she gets to the age where she can't play baseball anymore and she can't do overhand pitching and she's really like down out about it and then it like fast-forwards to her being in the military where that underhand like fast pitch Really comes in handy.
Yeah, seriously.
I love it.
I can see the editing in my mind.
It goes from fast-pitch softball to her throwing a flashbang under the door of an Afghan hut.
They're in some precarious situation where overhand, you just don't have the clearance.
Your hand can't do it, but she's there.
And they need to get it far and fast.
She does a thing where you throw and slap your leg.
I was thinking of it almost more like an adult mentor type situation where it's like Where it's like, Oh, this is my last season of baseball.
Like I, I didn't get a college scholarship and there's no team left for me to play on.
And I thought I was really good, but I guess I'm just not quite good enough.
And then it's like the coach like comes up and like puts his hand on her shoulder and he's like, you know where we could use your skills.
And then he like hands her the grenade.
He just has it for some reason and she's like, whoa, this is like the same weight as a softball.
And he like winks at her and then it flashes forward to her like, whoo, like windmilling the grenade at the end, like a foxhole.
Listen, do you know how, do you know how large the strike zone is overseas?
It's like miles wide.
I'm not kidding.
Oh, that's awesome.
Okay, let's get into some, like, replies to this shit that were just wonderful.
Blue Pretzel says about, you know, women in the military.
Blue Pretzel says, Which, like, the headline again is about skirts, like, shortening skirts, you know?
And I just, I think it's very funny that they think that, like, in nature the skirts are actually really long.
Well, I mean, at least biblically.
If you follow what humankind was meant to be, you were meant to be in a burlap sack from head to toe as a woman.
Yeah, I mean, I'm also trying to figure out, is that a default username?
Like when you start an Xbox account and they give you a name that's like three words together that make no sense?
Because they do have an actual blue pretzel as their profile picture too. - Yeah, it's like Discus.
I can't remember which company, which proprietary comment section company this is, but it is very much like the Nick Arcade, or what is it?
Legends of the Hidden Temple style of team name where you're just given a color and an and like an item so it'll be like you know red horse or or orange wagon and it's just your icon is like basic uh a basic symbol with a color yeah
I sort of read this as like they're saying the natural course of nature is that women are like what we were talking about earlier like women are weak and they don't like combat so like why encourage women to get involved in the military like they're not this is the right percentage the right percentage of women are currently joining the military like don't try and increase it No, that's definitely part of it.
And it's just like, I mean, all these people who are appealing to quote natural history or who are appealing to Western history or anything, just ignore the fact that like, yeah, women are cold blooded killers.
Like they do.
They do some fucked up stuff, you know, and they and they've done it for centuries.
Yeah.
I think also I guess it's not natural to hang out on a beach to these people too.
That's true.
That seems pretty natural.
It seems like through all of humankind people like chilling at the beach, right?
That's been going on for a while.
I don't know why you would get close to something as large as the ocean.
That's horrifying.
It can just take you out.
Have you ever experienced an undertow?
It's fucking horrifying.
That's another good Warpaint song, undertow.
Why would you try to change the course of human nature, which is of course to be commenting about how much you hate women in a comment section on Ottawa Citizen.com instead of having sex.
Children raising progeny.
Also, they're just meddling with the natural thing of military intervention that happens so naturally.
Yeah.
Yeah, Wendell Waters says this is on Facebook.
Yep Canadians and their leftist ideals Which is like it's funny to me So it's the idea is like the short skirt the sexy clothing the feminization of the military in general those are the leftist ideals or whatever and it's like I mean, it's really just like capitalism.
Like, what we're talking about here is marketing strategy.
Yes.
Like, what we're talking about here is marketing strategy in service of imperialism, which I'm fairly certain Canada's done, you know, some intervention overseas.
I think there were some Canadians in Afghanistan, even if it was only like 50 of them or whatever.
Um, and it's just, it's funny to, this is like, once again, like the example we have down here of leftism in America is Nancy Pelosi.
Yep.
Who lives in the like most, single most expensive place to live.
Uh, and then also says she's a capitalist to her bones.
Says we're capitalists.
That's it.
That's our, that's our example of leftism that the right wing points to down here in America.
And apparently for Canada, it's, oh, they want women in the military.
Typical leftist.
Yeah, they want to trick people into joining the army.
It's like their idea of a leftist.
Yeah.
That leftist idea that we need to expand the military and get more people to sign up.
And then Nate Baker says, incomprehensibly, offer to sterilize them after basic.
Oh.
Okay, the men or the women, or both?
In order to get women into the military, you can offer to sterilize them after basic.
I don't know what this means.
I wouldn't have normally included it, but it was just such a confusing comment.
I think if you really want more women in the military, you do need to sterilize the men.
Yeah.
I like that Nate's profile picture has him and presumably his child in the profile picture.
And to me, Nate seems like you should be the one who gets sterilized.
Am I right, guys?
Well, we don't know.
It could be the kid could have been the one who posted.
That's true.
I don't want to be here.
Four years old.
Yeah.
Maybe Nate doesn't want military personnel to procreate because he hates them that much.
Maybe that's what they're saying.
Maybe he's like, if you're going to sign up then you can't procreate.
What did we talk about last week, Tony, or a couple weeks ago?
Oh, it was the female soldiers dancing to WAP.
And it was like the military was fucking freaking out because these women were denigrating their service by posting on TikTok.
If you've seen TikTok or any of that, it's mostly men like, you know, ripping open their army uniform to a five finger death punch song or whatever.
But this was women like twerking or dancing or whatever to WAP and somebody was like, oh, you know, I was in the military and women, they just joined so that they can get Light duty get pregnant and get like whatever the equivalent of light duty is in the military You know get like maternity service or whatever.
It's called in and so Maybe and I had a couple people a couple veterans reach out to me and say that that's like a very common fucking Stereotype is that women only join.
Oh wow so that they can it's like the welfare Queen stereotype of the military and I Maybe that's what Nate is talking about.
Hey, offer to sterilize them so they don't get pregnant and become a drain on the resources of the military or something like that.
I don't know.
That makes total sense now.
I didn't realize it was a big thing afterwards.
I thought it was like that one dumb case.
But yeah, that would make some sense, unfortunately, for them to be like, well, if you're going to get them in there, make sure you can actually use them.
Hey, you're not eating for one, you're not eating for two, you're eating for 35 million.
Yeah.
Or whatever the population of Canada is.
Probably a lot more than that.
No, it's not.
That's about right.
I think it's about that much.
I think it's about right.
Yeah.
You're a mother to all of us now, okay?
That's what your responsibility is.
A couple more here.
This one I feel like we can defer to the blocked boys here on this one.
They can help shed some light on it.
Canuck Sailor says, our current Prime Minister's father despised the military and played wealthy playboy on the streets of Montreal during... Does Montreal normally have the accent over the E?
Yep.
Yeah, but what that tells me is this guy copy pasted it from somewhere because he wasn't sure how to spell it.
Yeah, that's very possible.
Yeah, it's like it's because it's named after Mount what we would say Mount Royal.
So it's like Montreal is the like pronunciation of it.
Yeah.
He's a wealthy playboy on the streets of Montreal during World War II instead of enlisting, hyphen, as most men his age did.
Seems the parentheses rotten apple didn't fall far from the tree at all.
Here's a quote from a book about Trudeau Sr.
Quote, Canada went to war in 1939 and Mr. Trudeau sat at... So it's not... Oh, it's a quote from the book, not from him himself.
And Mr. Trudeau sat it out.
He preferred riding around the Laurentians on a motorcycle wearing a pointed Prussian army helmet.
End quote.
I am utterly mortified by the idiocy of his son.
Not surprised, just embarrassed.
And I want to say, like, I mean, I guess if you have if you're going to enlist in any war, World War Two probably would have been the one to do it.
But I also kind of don't begrudge anybody for like, you know, instead riding around on a motorcycle with a spiked Prussian helmet.
That seems pretty tough.
Yeah, that sounds cool.
That sounds cool as hell.
Yeah, I didn't know anything about him.
I didn't like him, but now I kind of think he's awesome.
I think so.
The funny part about Trudeau's father was like a, like a fairly left, like a social Democrat minister, if, if I'm not mistaken.
Uh, yeah, kind of.
I mean, like as left as, as like anyone in power of a country is going to be, I guess.
I think the funny part about Pierre Trudeau is that he just gets, I mean, Justin Trudeau, whatever, whatever you think of him is like his dad will just get used in whatever way suits the argument you're making.
So it's like if you like Justin Trudeau and you like a thing that he did, then you're like, yeah, I loved his dad and his dad did the same thing and they're both standing for the same thing.
It's cool.
If you hate Trudeau, like people just love to cherry pick different things about Pierre Trudeau as a way of like explaining Justin's actions.
Like this is like a very common thing that people do.
And it's like, well, he led the country like, you know, 40, 50 years ago.
Like it's not, We're not talking about the same people or the same things here, but it's a very, like, this is a classic, like, straw man thing that people use.
I got a tip for you.
If you're trying to do that, maybe don't reference somebody on a motorcycle in a Spiketown.
Yeah, don't make him look really fucking cool.
Try to do that negatively.
Yeah.
Uh, so Red Quill responds, uh, I read what his father was just a de- I read what his father was just a deserter hiding in U.S.
during World War II.
And then Canuck Sailor replies, not a deserter.
He never enlisted.
He had his excuses, which were variously published over the years.
But excuses be damned!
My father and uncle fought.
What made Pierre so special?
And again, I don't know, maybe... He drove around on a motorcycle.
That sounds fucking cool to me.
But also, if I'm to be believed that he... If I am to believe that... What is it right here?
He was a wealthy playboy?
I wonder why he didn't go serve in a war as a wealthy playboy.
What could be the factor here?
What kind of analysis could we use to discover why he didn't have to go serve in World War II?
It's probably because he was like an honorary black person.
That's probably why it is.
They were doing affirmative action to get out of the military back then.
I guarantee that's what it was.
Yeah it's a weird thing because I don't really understand like Canada didn't send that many people to World War II like in the grand scheme of things so like Like, there were lots of people who didn't enlist, I'm sure.
Like, I don't, I don't know.
I don't, I guess I just don't think that not enlisting in war makes you a certain, like, implies that you can make certain assumptions about someone.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think even in what is probably the most righteous war ever fought in like modern times, you know, you still don't have to enlist.
You can still not enlist in that war.
I think it's okay.
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah.
And again, especially as like someone from North America, right?
Like, you know, the war wasn't being fought over here.
So it's a little bit different.
I think if you lived in, in like an allied country overseas and you, your country was being attacked, uh, you know, then I think there is even more of like a righteous, uh, you know, kind of necessity to help out your fellow man or whatever.
But like when you're over here, it's like, again, I, I understand like wanting to help.
And I agree that, you know, It's a fairly righteous cause but at the same time or it is a righteous cause but it's just like again the war is not being fought over here and maybe it would have if Hitler had his way and it eventually would have made its way over here if he wasn't defeated in Europe but it's just it would be more of a selfless act to enlist than just like a practical or like Existential reason to enlist.
Yes, exactly.
Most people who fight wars are doing so because they don't have a choice and they're existentially required to pick a side, essentially.
Whereas like, you know, when you're doing something like you said overseas, it's more of like, you know, either the propaganda gets to you or just the moral argument is so strong that, you know, you feel compelled to do that.
And I wouldn't I wouldn't begrudge anybody for not feeling an existential pull to, you know, go overseas and die in a war.
Yeah.
And I also don't quite understand what this has to do with Justin.
Like, he says all this stuff about Pierre Trudeau, and then at the end he says, I'm utterly mortified by the idiocy of his son, not surprised, just embarrassed.
Like, is the point that he's making that, like, neither one of them care about the military?
Like, I don't quite understand how this connects to the article.
Like, it's a very...
Well, that's the natural course of nature that Brett's always referring to.
The thing is, though, is being yellow-bellied is hereditary.
It's genetic.
So it obviously means that he was also a coward.
Sure, but I just don't know how Justin is being a coward in the context of this article, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Well, he's so focused on skirts and women's clothing.
It's probably because he's a gay coward.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's a great point, actually.
So, last comment here.
Charles McDaniel, who is a top fan of, I believe, the Military Times, which is the publication I referenced earlier, he says, well, the legalization of marijuana has finally taken effect.
Yep.
The military is seriously considering making female service members quote, tighter?
And for who?
So the women will feel more fashionable?
Or so they will present a more pleasing target to potential rapists?
This is the stupidest idea anyone ever cooked up for women in the military.
I hope they tell the idiots who thought this up to shove it.
By the way, you want to talk about misogynism?
Well, here's your chance!
And I mean, that's something we love to talk about on the show is misogynism, and that's why we're talking about it today.
And yeah, having women in like a more modern skirt, like something she would wear in a formal or professional setting, is definitely rape bait.
That's definitely what we mean when we were discussing institutional misogyny.
It's the proliferation of skimpy clothing that makes men rape.
Also, this guy's name is Charles McDaniel.
Are we sure this is not Charlie Daniels faking his own dad coming back under a slightly different name?
They'll never know it's me.
They'll never know it's me.
It's McDaniels now.
It's my Scottish cousin.
No, I'm a Scottish cousin.
You've never heard of the guy.
And don't even get me started on how many women were stationed at Benghazi, at the embassy in Benghazi.
I mean, they're still posting about that.
They're still keeping it going.
That's so good.
It's been a great year for post-mortem right-wing crank Twitter accounts.
Yeah.
Between him and Herman Cain.
Just what a bounty.
Yeah.
What a bounty of posting.
Like, we talk about how posting encounters real life, you know, on both of our shows, I believe, you know, we talk about it posting entering the real world.
Well, those are like cases of posting entering the, like, nether realm.
Yeah.
The ether, the afterscape.
I think we're kind of burying the lead here where he talks about how the legalization of marijuana has finally taken effect.
This is it.
Everyone is fucking high now.
Only a high person would think that this is a good idea.
Which like, I mean, maybe.
I mean, I agree with Charles that it's a bad idea.
There is a scene in Reefer Madness where there's like girls in skirts, right?
Oh yeah, for sure.
They're like dancing really flat.
Yeah, they're like shaking their hips a lot.
They're like doing the twist.
Now the opposing soldiers are not only going to want to kill them, they're going to want to sexually assault them too.
Yeah.
Adding insult to injury here.
This is crazy.
And kind of going back to one thing I forgot to mention with the comment that was like, yep, Canadians and their leftist ideals, that kind of goes with this, is it reminds me of like, the cold war era pro-capitalist propaganda that was rock and roll like it sounds funny to say but genuinely like one of the ways that the U.S.
was trying to get people to defect from the USSR Was by like saying hey, we got rock and roll and we got co-ed like, you know Yeah, we have like sex and shit over here and I don't know enough about the USSR to say that they weren't also fucking I'm sure they also did sex over there But it was just funny that like back then the State Department and capitalism was using like sexiness and using like sort of a
Not hedonism per se, but like a sexual liberation.
Yeah.
To, uh, you know, promote its agenda and is now not doing that with this.
That's not what this is about, but people in the comment section are like, oh yeah, this is communism when you do sex.
I love that.
I love that.
Like their interpretation of wearing a skirt is now communism.
Well yeah I mean because communism is like is like allowing you know women to uh sexualize their bodies like that's like a thing like people think like oh women being sexy is communism because like you're not you're you're not like following in line you're not being productive by being sexy you're like i'm they're sharing their body with everyone exactly It's not rugged individualism.
They're not just keeping it all for themselves.
It's like, hey, does everyone in the village want some?
Redistribution.
It's not individualism if you're coupling off.
Yeah, yeah.
Totally.
Yeah, so I don't know, just very interesting range of responses to very craven neoliberal attempt to get more women to join occupying forces overseas.
But I think it's just, it's great.
It just shows, you know, how bad everything is.
I love it so much.
Thank you, boys, for joining the show.
Really, really fun to have you here.
Hey, thanks for having us.
Yeah, thank you guys for having us.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was great.
Tony was recently on an episode of Blocked Party.
He talked about both Tony and my encounter with the band Culture Abuse, who has now been cancelled.
Yes.
It wasn't people coming to our rescue.
It was other things that happened, but that's a very good episode you should listen to.
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It's a fun time.
And we toured with these guys.
You guys are both awesome dudes.
That's great.
I feel like if you're a Minion Death Cult fan, you would be a Block Party fan and vice versa.
Yeah, it's a nice pivot.
I hope we can tour together again in like four years.
Geez, right?
It would be lovely.
Well, if anything, we'll try to get our passports or maybe get up there, because I'm sure we'll be able to up there before you're able to tour down here.
Yeah.
If we're allowed in the country, I don't know if we'll be allowed up there.
That's very true.
Yeah.
I was going to say, because one thing that's funny about listening to these conversations about, like, American versus, like, Canadian responses to COVID and also involving racism is that at least the racism up there is steeped in the belief that the disease is real.
Yeah, although there is a march in Vancouver like right now, like an anti-mask march where they're chanting for Trump and stuff.
So weird.
It's like a QAnon style thing.
So it is everywhere.
I saw a bunch of posts that are like trying to get September 15th to be the date that everybody takes their masks off.
In Canada.
Oh man.
It's got a same feel, that has the same feel to me as like steak and blowjob day.
Have you guys ever seen that?
No.
On Facebook or whatever?
Oh, it's like a Facebook meme.
It's like May 18th is steak and blowjob day where your woman puts on her short skirt and her bling and she gets in the kitchen and cooks you a steak and sucks your dick.
Uh, and it's, this is to me, it's like the same thing.
It's like, okay, September 15th, that's, that's anti-mask day.
You guys, this actually goes back to, uh, the French revolution when it was mask, M-A-S-Q-U-E.
And, uh, you know, it was a big thing in Napoleon's kingdom and a lot of people don't know about it, but that's, you know, it's just like, This is not a real- You can't just make this shit up, it's like- Now I can't decide whether to play Warpaint at the end of this episode, or Omar Rodriguez Lopez's other band, Anti-Mask.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Oh, nice!
Yeah, good call.
Which is spelled A-N-T-E-M-A-S-Q-U-E.
That's about the origins of the day.
I think I'm gonna go with Warpaint.
I think I'm gonna go with that one.
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