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May 26, 2020 - Minion Death Cult

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"Joe Biden was right about black people"

Support the show and get a weekly premium episode at http://patreon.com/miniondeathcult This week we discuss Joe Biden's latest opinion about black people, the erosion of Democratic woke culture in the face of his campaign, and conservatives manage to be even more racist than the Democratic entitlement they are attempting to critique. Music: Oxbow - The Last Good Time

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	The liberals are destroying California, and conservative humor gone awry... Conservative humor gone awry is going to fascistphonia today, so stay tuned.
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	I'm Alexander Edward.
	And I'm Tony Boswell.
	And we are Minion Death Cult.
	The world is ending, people not cutting, and older white politician, a little slack, is responsible.
	We're documenting it.
	What's up everybody, it's your episode for the week and it's kind of amazing because this is like, the first thing we're going to talk about tonight is something that's like sustained a longer than 24 hour news cycle, I feel.
	Yeah, I'm kind of surprised it still has some, you know, it's still there.
	It's still being talked about.
	I'm still seeing new things right now.
	It's ebbing in in liberal spaces.
	Liberal spaces are feeling the need to defend Joe Biden.
	Yeah.
	A little less today, but right wing is still running very hard with this.
	And, you know, it's still very funny to me personally as well.
	And we're, of course, talking about Biden emerging from his, like, you know, self-imposed strategic isolation to go on the radio and immediately say something extremely racist and funny.
	Yeah, just wildly stupid.
	It's a long way until November.
	We got more questions.
	You got more questions, but I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
	It don't have nothing to do with Trump.
	It has to do with the fact I want something for my community.
	I would love to see... Take a look at my record, man!
	He was like in... He was in quarantine.
	He was in political quarantine, so he didn't infect anybody with his dementia.
	And he went on the radio and immediately was like, listen, black, Listen here, Black.
	He went on Breakfast Club to talk to Charlemagne the God and Charlemagne kind of made some good points about, you know, the Democratic Party and their relationship with minority communities and the black community specifically and whether or not The black community owes anything to the Democratic Party in electorally.
	I mean, I guess that's redundant.
	It's an electoral party, but you know what I'm saying?
	And Joe Biden said, listen here, Mac.
	I have a lot of blacks, right?
	He did.
	He did the Trump thing.
	He said, I got a lot of African-Americans and he like listed off his endorsements and his the demographics who vote for him.
	And Charlemagne was like, you know, well, I'm asking about like, you know, material results for our community.
	What have you done for me lately?
	And he's like, I got more questions about that.
	And Biden was like, listen, if you have more questions about whether or not to vote for me, then you ain't black.
	Jack.
	Yep.
	It sounds like a fucking skit.
	It sounds like a joke.
	It's so wild that I was like, oh, they must be misquoting him.
	And then I saw it and it was real.
	And just the way he says it, he says like, I mean, not that he has no way to say anything he said in any way, but I'm surprised it wasn't more along the lines of like, hey, you know, maybe you should question about, you know, who's going to help your community more.
	Maybe that should think about.
	But then he just said, you ain't black.
	I was like, whoa.
	It's so, he thinks he nailed it too.
	If you watch the video, he leans in and he's like, if you, if you have questions about who to vote for, then you ain't black.
	And he leans in, like, waiting for applause, basically.
	He just got done watching, is it CB40?
	Is that that movie?
	The Chris Rock movie?
	He just got done watching that.
	Yeah, and like, his face is kind of like, I nailed it.
	I fucking nailed it.
	It's insane.
	The way he says it is like a... Sorry, the way he says it is like a...
	He says it like it's the tagline on some new board game you take home, you know, play at home with your family.
	Like, there's like some board game that I'm vaguely remembering from the 90s where the tagline is like, you don't know Jack.
	I feel like that just was the game, but I don't know what you mean.
	Yeah, it's like a trivia game and you had to say like you don't know Jack or whatever and that's how he delivers the line like it's a story beat in a commercial for a Hasbro product.
	Like that happens in every commercial, that he leans into the camera and says, you ain't black.
	It is like the anti-you-might-be-a-redneck joke, except for it's like his observation on the black community.
	I especially hate it because I feel like my entire life, you know, being of mixed race, being of a lighter complexion black, you know, I've been told my whole life that I'm not black.
	And the last person I want to fucking hear that from is Joe Biden.
	You don't think he's got some authority by being a white politician for this many years?
	No, that's not what makes him an authority.
	What makes him an authority is his knowledge of lifeguarding and cockroaches.
	That's what makes him an authority.
	I mean, it's particularly funny to us on this show, I'm speaking for Tony here, which is what I've been led to believe is the appropriate thing to do.
	I feel like it should be particularly funny for us to cover this because we have spent more than a year covering the right wing calling black Democrats slaves.
	Yep.
	Calling, calling, like trying to be woke by calling black people slaves for voting Democrats.
	And we've of course been pointing out how, you know, racist that is and how, how hilariously I don't know, blinkered or just unaware you are if you say something like that.
	And then Biden comes out and says, no, you have to vote for me if you're black or else you're not fucking black.
	Don't you understand?
	Listen, you don't want to be a race traitor.
	No one likes a race traitor.
	Trust me, I know.
	I was the vice president under a black guy.
	I had to submit to him all the time.
	You would not believe the shit that I got.
	And it's like, not only did Biden step in it, obviously, he like, what's further, like Biden was racist, okay?
	We can admit that.
	He's been racist several times throughout his career.
	He was racist this time as well.
	Yeah.
	Well, see, he's been racist the whole time, but what you're talking about, what Charlamagne was talking about, he's been racist on paper a few times throughout his career.
	But just in general, I'm sure that just never stopped.
	That's always at a low boil.
	Low simmer.
	But yes, on paper, what Charlamagne wanted to know, that stuff has happened a couple times, a few times pretty heavily throughout his career.
	Yeah, I was like leading up to a joke though.
	Oh.
	No, what I was gonna say is, you know, he's been racist, you know, here and there throughout his career, but I think the worse offense, like worse than being racist, is he made like Terrence K. Williams look right.
	Yeah.
	He made Terence K. Williams look like he had a point.
	Yeah.
	That's totally what it felt like.
	And this comes up throughout the coverage of this entire thing.
	So to clarify, when we are talking about conservatives and black Republicans talking about democratic plantation, we're not defending Democrats.
	Yeah.
	We're condemning them for making that equation.
	But then here it is, just coming full round.
	It's literally Joe Biden saying, listen, we have better slop to feed you.
	Our slop is the good slop.
	You want to come have us feed you.
	We will provide gloves for all the work you're going to do.
	One pair a year.
	It's like your identity is tied up in supporting me.
	Yeah.
	Like it's like this insane statement to make.
	Just, I mean, you know, maybe I'm overstepping my bounds here a little bit, but not just from a white person, from like any person, you know what I mean?
	Like, but especially from a white person, especially from an old ass politician to be like, no, this is who you are as a person.
	And if you don't vote for me, then who are you?
	Who are you really?
	Yeah, I mean, I'm happy he didn't double down there because I could see him with confidence being like, like, listen, I wanted to do more for you as vice president, but Obama was getting in my way.
	I wanted to do more for the black community, but Obama just wouldn't let me.
	Like, think about how happy Candace Owens was when she heard Joe Biden make this statement.
	Oh, yeah.
	Think about, like, How much more traffic people like the Hodge Twins are gonna get because of this statement?
	Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
	Like, Joe Biden's never been, like, an effective politician.
	I mean, you know, maybe at the Senate level, obviously, depending on who, you know, who he's fighting for or whatever.
	But he's never been a good public speaker, but this is, like, this is bad for him, I think.
	We've been talking about his gaps, his entire presidency, and I think that if people were more critical of him, he wouldn't have gotten past the moment when he was like, I have to appeal to this black audience, let me talk about my knowledge of cockroaches.
	That should have done it.
	We needed, now he can go full blatant, just full blatant like, like listen, you guys need to listen to me.
	They got no choice.
	Cause I know what's good for ya.
	They got no choice.
	You got no choice.
	They've already been hiding, they've already been hiding him this whole time.
	Like, when they're hiding him, they're telling him, like in a very nice way,
	what we're talking about about his his prone to be to quote gaffes his like being out of touch you know they're they're probably framing it in a way that's more palatable to him but they're like you need to be careful more careful of what you're saying and like that's why we're chilling out right now and then immediately when they let him out he's like oh no no i'm doing race realism but in the voting booth
	Because this cool he does is a cool that it harkens back to like the 60s, 70s maybe.
	It's not like a relevant cool.
	It is like, it is...
	Um, when he's trying to be hip, he's trying to be Fonzie.
	He's not trying to be just a regular person.
	Yeah.
	Like, and he just feels like, like the whole thing, he does say Jack on a regular basis and that kind of stuff.
	And just trying to be hip and cool.
	Like I said, you know, like when that cadence came off.
	Like he's not being, he's not being hip.
	He's being hap.
	Exactly, yeah.
	That cadence, that delivery, he was trying to emulate a main character in a Blaxploitation flick.
	That's who he wanted to be.
	If he had a wide brim hat, he would be happy to wear it in that moment.
	So, we're going to go through a couple articles.
	Well, I just wanted to...
	No, we don't have time for that.
	Okay, so I just wanted to say...
	We're going to go through a couple articles right here that are just amazing.
	We're going to try not to spend too much time on this topic, but it's such an incredible...
	I don't know.
	It's an incredible moment in our political space and in the history of the Democratic Party, I think...
	It's a very, like, interesting moment and to just watch these, you know, mostly liberals.
	We'll get into, like, a couple right-wing responses to this, but to watch, like, liberals Same thing, you know, like, hey, you know, he's from a bygone era, like, give him a break.
	You know, like, Democrats who have, who spent the entire primary saying Bernie Sanders was invalid as a candidate because he is a white man.
	Not because of anything he said, just because he's a white man, despite the fact that he's, you know, Jewish, despite the fact that he, like, put his body on the line, which is all you can really... which is all you ask of white people, really, to be politically active, you know.
	We had to suffer through that during the primary campaign.
	And it just, it, it reminds me of the, of Biden's, you know, uh, Me Too issues.
	How that's just gone.
	That's, that's, that's not, not a factor anymore.
	Because Biden is the candidate, Me Too is not a factor, because Biden is the candidate, uh, microaggressions aren't a factor anymore.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	Cause like you said, if this was, this should really This should be an ending thing for him, or at least a huge speed bump, but it's not going to affect him at all because anybody who was already in the boat with him, they're already there.
	Not to interrupt you just real quick, I would say that his record, we should go on the record and say that his record is more invalidating of his presidency than this comment.
	This comment is a stupid comment it indicates like a deeper misunderstanding of politics and a deeper racism but his record of material harm against minority communities is much worse and the fact that liberals were willing to accept that I guess we should have taken as a sign that they would be perfectly fine with these sort of like overt representations of that deeper racism.
	What's funny, what's interesting to me is, you know, it was on the morning show, it was with Charlamagne Than God, who I can't stand for a lot of reasons, and one of the reasons is because he can be like,
	Um, he can get people's faces in a good way, you know, he can kind of get it out of people, but it's only for, like, you know, clicks, and it sucks that, because his whole thing, he's very much of a pull-your-pants-up economics, um, you know, he, I mean, he wrote, he wrote a book called Black Privilege, um, in America that was released in, like, 2016, like, during, during, you know, like, peak MAGA, um, and it's like, okay, bud, um, now is your time to kind of do something, but he just,
	You know, even his face...
	Was a little shocked.
	You can see his face be a little shocked.
	That he didn't say anything, which is a shame.
	Did you see him go on Joy Read afterward?
	No.
	Leslie Lee posted it, I think, or shared it, at least.
	He went on Joy Read to actually discuss what Joe Biden said on the show, and he said some good stuff.
	He said that the black vote is taken for granted, and how come our politics can't be transactional?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	How come we have to give you our vote for nothing?
	You have to give us something for our vote and that's just part of being part of a party or being part of a citizenry.
	We expect something for our vote.
	Now, although Charlamagne is absolutely right in that sense, he uses the exact same talking points in a very similar tone as Democratic Plantation rhetoric.
	He is very sympathetic to Kanye.
	And to Trump and all that.
	Kanye's the other big figure that we haven't addressed here but this is like red meat to anybody who was in line with Kanye's comments about being a slave and equating that to voting for Democrats.
	Yeah, so he's a really interesting character to get this lobbed to him because like this just feeds that That already going conversation of the Democrat incantation, but at least he's not pushing, well you only have one other choice.
	At least he's not doing that.
	That's where it becomes bad obviously, because like I said, I don't want to defend Democrats here.
	That's not at all what I want to do, but it's the follow up that is, well you only have one other choice, and I don't think anybody I think this only annoyed people and only annoyed the right people.
	I don't think anybody heard this comment and thought, oh, well, I guess I better vote for him.
	And I also don't think anybody saw this and thought, well, there goes my vote.
	I saw some comments who, of people, uh, you know, who, who said they were African-American who said like, yeah, they're going to vote for him, but like shit like this makes it so fucking hard to do it.
	And when you see people, Outwardly expressing that sentiment I feel like there's a lot of other people who are closer to the fence who are not as engaged in like the online discussion or the comment section or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Who are like maybe they're gonna vote maybe they're not gonna vote and now this is in the back of their mind oh it's another fucking old white guy who's like telling me what's good for me or whatever why you know fuck him.
	Yeah.
	I would like to see that.
	I mean, because I would like to see that maybe, you know, you said pushing somebody who's already kind of teetering on going more left to understand that there is like other options and that we need to kind of address things differently than just like total politics.
	That would be cool.
	And I hope that does happen.
	I hope that is happening.
	But at the same time, That's the problem too.
	This is not a surprise.
	This is the same thing.
	This is racism.
	This is borderline soft racism.
	It was stupid and ignorant, but it wasn't necessarily malicious.
	But if you look at his record, that is blatant and does have direct effect.
	We live in a news cycle where this gaffe, where he looks like a fucking idiot, is going to get way more play than the actual harm he's caused.
	The reason it's so bad for him is because it just reminds people of what era he's from and what he helped participate in.
	People are trying to forget that, actively trying to memory hole that shit, and him saying stuff like this is an obvious roadblock to that.
	It's not a good look.
	Okay, so, uh, this is an article from Salon—no, The Root.
	The Root.
	The Root, who's just been fucking crushing it when it comes to, uh, being, like, the—the black media presence and, uh, just doing the corniest, most centrist, like, backwards-ass takes lately.
	Um, so— I'm pretty sure they're owned by, like, Biden supporters.
	Yeah, probably, yeah.
	I'm pretty sure that the publication is, like, literally owned by Biden.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
	So this headline alone is amazing.
	It's, Joe Biden just proved why he must have a black woman as VP.
	Um, and as many people have pointed out on Twitter with these various pundits who, you know, these various liberal pundits who are saying like, listen, Joe Biden better fucking have a woman of color, uh, as their VP.
	People have responded accurately or poignantly with, or what?
	Yeah.
	Or what?
	What are you gonna fucking do about it?
	Because you've already told us that the most important thing is voting against Trump.
	Yep.
	That's the only thing that matters.
	What leverage do you possibly have to ensure that Biden has a female POC as his vice president?
	Yeah, you got nothing.
	And like you said, or what?
	Because like they already got, they already have that power and like this whole I love this idea though.
	It's like, you know, we need, we don't just need like a token.
	We need like a double token.
	So like, we don't need, we don't, don't choose, you know, person of color or woman.
	Do both bro.
	Like, come on, get the full package.
	And like that would fix things.
	We need you to do the work, Joe Biden.
	By which we mean pay a woman of color to do your work.
	Yeah, that's the thing about picking a vice president is that you could just put a black friend on a payroll.
	You can not permanently claim black friend, but they're on the payroll.
	I mean that's what, it's so funny because Joe Biden himself was a token VIP pick.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You should know a thing or two about that, about a representational VIP pick.
	And it's also kind of funny because Joe Biden Was a bit of a problem for the Obama administration.
	Like, he was picked specifically because he's a fuckin' white, folksy, like, old-school dude who had bona fides within the white community, let's just say.
	Totally.
	He had some clout within the white community, so that's why he was picked as Obama's VP.
	And he ended up causing, you know, problems here and there for our first black president.
	um and it's funny that now people are like okay yeah now you've got now you gotta pick a token vp as well um and it's just like this idea to me the narrative that we've been fed this whole primary is that joe biden has had a historical relationship with the black community.
	Joe Biden has been on the front lines with elder black statesmen and women.
	He's got those endorsements.
	He's got those connections.
	He's got that support.
	But also, we need him to finally talk to a black woman.
	We need him to finally listen to a female POC.
	It's like that was never an option.
	He spends a lot of time in Washington, D.C.
	Washington, D.C.
	outside of Capitol Hill is known as Chocolate City.
	You should have some black friends there, Joe.
	It shouldn't be new.
	You should already have that built into your infrastructure.
	You should have got one on the team a long time ago and now you can refine.
	I mean, I'm stating the obvious again here, but like every person of color that except for, literally except for Obama, every person of color he's talked to, he has had more power in that relationship.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	So like what person is going to correct him?
	What person is going to tell him to like stay in his fucking lane or to mind his fucking business?
	What person is going to be able to tell him that in DC or in Delaware or whatever?
	Which is why it just kills me that, you know, it ended up being a Klobuchar ticket because, like, I would just love another Biden-Obama ticket.
	I would love Michelle in there just telling him what to do.
	She is so strong.
	I don't know if it's gonna be Klobuchar.
	That hasn't been confirmed yet.
	They just announced, it got leaked, that they were, like, vetting her or whatever.
	Yeah, I think that would be pretty funny.
	Well, now it can't be her because, I mean, she's like, she's too white passing.
	Yeah.
	So let me read a little bit from this article here.
	This is by Michael Harriot, who says, and I'm just picking out paragraphs that are just so fucking interesting from this article.
	There's a lot of wind up to this article.
	There's a lot of wind up to this article about how America is a racist institution.
	And how white supremacy permeates America, which is of course true.
	However, that's used as a background to excuse Joe Biden's behavior.
	And to excuse all, like, white men of, like, of, like, being racist.
	They're like, listen, it's not his fault he's a racist.
	He had no choice.
	He's a white man in America.
	It said, like, you could take the most pure, the most good-natured white baby and he will still be raised in a racist America.
	It's like, I don't think that that was what Joe Biden was.
	Yeah, I don't think that's the same thing.
	But let me read these specific paragraphs.
	For 400 years, so we're getting right to the heart of this headline.
	For 400 years, black women have held down families and passed along our history.
	Even though they are treated the worst, not only have they been required to withstand all of the pain, but they were required to smile through it while staying While staying the hands and soothing the anger of those who were ready to grab machetes.
	And they also grabbed machetes.
	So right here, uh, the author, Michael, he's acknowledging like, uh, the burden that people of color have had to hold, that women of color specifically have had to bear, you know?
	And he's saying, so they're like, they're like geared for it, you know?
	They're like, they're like ready for it.
	So just give them Joe Biden too, you know?
	They're like, you know, these things have been conditioned into our, into us for so long.
	They're not just scared of dogs, they also are kind of like... They just know how to raise a boy, you know?
	He's almost doing like the, uh, black people can withstand more pain so I'm going to give them less anesthesia at the doctor's office.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Type racism but for, uh, supporting Joe Biden.
	Yeah.
	And I love that the whole base of this too is Is the assumption that there's somebody out there who has all these qualities who also wants to do that?
	Who also wants to be Joe Biden's VP?
	I mean, we're going to get into it right here.
	They were required to smile through it while staying the hands and soothing the anger of those who were ready to grab machetes.
	And they also grabbed machetes.
	This unique time in American history requires somebody who is familiar with the consequences and can swing a machete.
	Kamala Harris and Val Dennings go to work surrounded by dozens of mini-Trumps every day, having to deal with racism and sexism while still passing legislation and proposing policy.
	Their careers have basically been training camps for balancing policy and politics inside the institutions built to subjugate them.
	So for anybody who's not familiar with the careers of Kamala Harris and Val Demings, they're both cops.
	They're both former cops.
	Kamala Harris, of course, being the top cop in California.
	Number one cop.
	And Val Demings being the chief of police in Orlando, Florida.
	Yeah, both hugely influential cops who have directly caused harm to the community.
	Grabbed machetes!
	He's using the Haitian revolution about grabbing machetes and rising up against your slave masters.
	He's, uh, likening that to being a fucking cop in Calif- being a prosecutor in California or being the chief of police in Orlando, Florida.
	It's so insulting thinking that, like, our ancestors are sitting back looking, like, smiling down on the person who became the head cop, you know?
	An establishment that was only developed to maintain slavery and keep us in shackles, literally.
	But we'd be super proud.
	They say they're surrounded by mini-Trumps every day.
	The only reason why you're not calling them mini-Trumps is because they're black women.
	Just as bad if not worse in a lot of ways because I mean like before you know four years ago he didn't do much criminal justice except for you know buy some ads in the New York Times where like Kamala Harris and it was like actually doing harm like we said.
	Um, and I just, I mean, it's, it's incredible.
	You're talking about, Hey, we need, um, we need people.
	We need, uh, black women who can like soothe the anger and calm like tensions, but also enact a little bit of violence of their own, uh, when necessary.
	When you're talking about police.
	You're saying that these women know how to use violence because they're police.
	Because they're cops.
	I don't know if I'm misreading this article or what, but it's incredible what the undertones of this article are saying to me.
	The motions of a machete and a baton are very similar.
	Yep.
	Their careers have basically been training camps for balancing policy and politics.
	Okay.
	He goes on to say, Black people are more invested in the outcome of this election because we have given the most to the Democratic Party and have benefited the least.
	Accurate.
	Yeah.
	This is, I totally agree with that, with that sentiment right there.
	I mean, if you look back at, you look back at, you know, the first black president, Bill Clinton, you know, like that being a whole, that being a thing that people were saying and that being a thing where it's like, well, you know, he, you know, he plays a, he plays an instrument.
	He plays a, he plays a saxophone.
	So he's, he's like one of you, you know?
	He has rhythm and he's hip and cool.
	So he's like one of y'all.
	And we ate that shit up and got nothing out of it.
	Nothing.
	No, I would argue that it was in fact bad for everybody.
	Oh yeah, you know, especially minority communities.
	Black people are more invested in the outcome of this election because we have given the most to the Democratic Party and have benefited the least.
	We cannot ask America to fulfill its promise to the Constitution while the Democratic Party ignores its debt to us.
	Very next paragraph.
	Joe Biden does not owe black women anything.
	They voted for him freely in the primary.
	The Democratic Party doesn't owe black people anything either, but they need us.
	I do like how this is almost going to where it's like, this isn't even about demographics, running demographics, running numbers, trying to get new votes.
	It's just the right thing to do.
	It's just the right thing to do is to have him have a black woman as his VP.
	This is just talking about votes.
	This is just talking about the Democratic Party needs the black community to support them, but they don't owe The black community anything I don't know I don't understand this I don't understand this at all because it's a basic understanding that if you vote for somebody you're voting for them out of your self-interest yeah out of like a relationship with that person to the degree that they are going to
	be more responsive or represent you or something like that you know and this line I mean it's in keeping with the like lib pundit line of Listen, uh, politicians don't owe you anything.
	That's what we were, you know, told, uh, throughout the primary that, uh, I can't remember who specifically it was.
	Maybe it was, maybe it was Joe Biden.
	Maybe it was Elizabeth.
	I think it was Elizabeth Warren.
	It was Elizabeth Warren when she was refusing to endorse, uh, either Bernie Sanders or whoever.
	She doesn't owe you anything.
	Okay, she's a strong woman.
	She don't need no demographics.
	She don't need no political support.
	You know, she don't owe you anything.
	Yeah.
	And so I'm happy, I guess, to see them be consistent to that degree.
	I don't know how this is supposed to be motivating to people.
	No.
	Joe Biden does not owe black women anything.
	Didn't you say that, like, The Democrats have benefited from the black vote.
	You just said that, yeah.
	Also, they voted for him freely in the primary.
	I don't know, I would ask those voters if they think their vote was free.
	I would ask those voters if they think they didn't expect to get anything back from Joe Biden.
	I would maybe not speak for them.
	And it's even more ironic to use this device or argument in the middle of a pandemic when people literally risked their fucking lives.
	People probably died from going to vote for Joe Biden.
	Black women probably died from going to vote for Joe Biden.
	Yeah.
	And like, as we know, you know, this pandemic and everything, black people are dying at a higher rate than anybody else.
	And like, so what the fuck are you talking about?
	I don't think that counts as voting freely.
	No.
	I don't think that qualifies.
	And then, yeah, finally, to like further the argument about how Joe Biden is going to benefit from a female POC, female black vice president, Michael Harriot says, writes, Now, can you imagine even thinking some bullshit like what just happened with Biden?
	So like his statement, him making this verbal flub or whatever they're, you know, trying to say it is.
	Can you imagine some bullshit like what just happened with Biden happening knowing you were about to go meet with Kamala Harris or Val Demings?
	Absolutely, is the answer.
	I absolutely could believe that.
	It's not hard for me to imagine that at all.
	You don't think Joe Biden would be scared of Kamala Harris as his vice president to say something like that?
	He'd be scared that the high five is going to hurt his hand.
	The high five that she's going to give him is going to hurt him.
	That's what he'd be, you know, fuck out of here.
	It's so funny because it seems to me to like be relying on a trope that like, oh she's gonna lay the smackdown on him uh if he steps out of line like she's gonna she's gonna give him a clap back that he won't forget or whatever.
	Yeah I'm surprised it doesn't like use the word sassy anywhere in here.
	And it's like, A, that presupposes that Joe Biden has the wherewithal or the consciousness to, like, think about the cause and effect of him saying something and having a consequence later for it.
	Like, I don't think Biden's in that state of mind, let alone, like, the particular demographic of who his VP is and whether or not that's a stay on his tongue.
	So finally, let's just get into the actual apology that Joe Biden made for this comment, which is interesting.
	I didn't think he was going to apologize.
	No, I'm shocked.
	His, like, line on this has been, I've never done anything that I'm sorry for.
	He said something to that effect.
	I have never done anything that I would apologize for when people were asking about him about the crime bill or about supporting and eulogizing segregationists, etc.
	But he gave an apology for this, which I'm sort of surprised about his apology as like dictated or as you know reiterated or relayed in the in this root article says Biden has been Biden has been extensively criticized for making that comment and has apologized saying that he should have not been so quote cavalier He concluded, quote, I was making the point that I never take the vote for granted.
	And in fact, I know in order to win the presidency, I need the African-American vote.
	So you made the point of saying you don't take it for granted by saying you don't have any other choice.
	I mean, I guess I guess you're right.
	By saying, if you don't support me, you're not black.
	That's what he meant.
	I guess those aren't mutually exclusive.
	He meant he really respects you, and I never take the vote for granted.
	Just so absurd.
	They cut me off when I was going to say, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black, and I really want you to be black.
	All right, let's get into the comment that you picked for this article.
	You want to read this or you want me to read this?
	Yeah, I like this one.
	It's interesting.
	It's from The Root.
	And like I said, it's kind of, it has this, the code of language in it is just great.
	Is it Reality?
	RealityCK?
	RealityCK, yeah, I guess.
	Says, I agree.
	I don't know, like, it's with the article.
	But when will the Democratic Party learn to skip pop culture interviews, show no more representation, represent young black America as they do African American community itself?
	So saying like, why don't they just, why are they doing these young hip ones instead of doing something, instead of going to like the grown up?
	The grown-up African-American media outlet?
	The shows is like a noun.
	Pop culture interviews shows.
	Which no more represent young black America as they do... I don't know what he's saying.
	Yeah.
	All I see is a bunch of low-info money in their pockets, brainless twits that include the likes of Kenya, Kanye, and Jay-Z.
	Spelled letter J, letter Z.
	Which once I saw this, I was like, oh wait, this person's probably not black.
	Who foolishly think the amount of money you have determines smarts and wisdom.
	It's like, what?
	That has nothing to do with anything that happened right here right now, like at all.
	And I don't know, I don't, I remember Jay-Z or Kanye ever saying like, if you're rich, you're smart.
	But, um, anyway, yeah.
	No, it's like a weird indictment of like pop culture in the middle of it.
	And it's like, you want Joe, what we get through in this comment, you want Joe Biden to like reach more people.
	Yeah.
	This is like the outlet where he's going to do it.
	Yeah.
	He says, uh, the, the host line of thought is no better than the hooded supporters of COVID-45.
	Which I just love that, that the hooded supporters of COVID-45, like I've never seen that before.
	Um, and I get it right away, obviously.
	Right away.
	I instantly know what that bullshit means.
	Incredible.
	Uh, so he's saying it's like not any, once, You know, the host is right and he's no better than like clan members who like Trump.
	It's insane.
	Well, I think what this person is, is they're a race reductionist.
	I think this person is like, or a class reductionist rather.
	They're saying that the wealthy black people are no better than, you know, poor clan members or whatever.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I'm joking about the class reductionist thing, but that's kind of what they're saying.
	I think you're right.
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	Joe Biden should have opted to appear on a more progressive shows, which actually have their hands on the poles of the people on the ground, both black, white, young and old, more importantly, women of all colors.
	Like what?
	Like Joy AM?
	What does this mean?
	What show are you talking about?
	Some MSNBC show?
	Like just another like radio show.
	I mean he was on... Couldn't make it to Hot 97.
	You just... Breakfast Club.
	I don't understand like what... This is what you do.
	You make the rounds.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	On an extremely popular show that you're like lucky to get on basically as a politician.
	Yeah.
	And I know that it became a thing to do during the...
	The Democratic primary, but um, man I'm dying over here.
	I don't know what is, am I... Your allergies?
	Yeah.
	Allergic to bullshit, I think.
	I can like, I can smell something like perfumey, I don't know what the fuck it is, but anyways.
	Um, but I love how it takes those hardline, you know, things, but then it all comes down to, you know, tokenism again.
	But more importantly, women of all colors.
	That's what most, that's what's most important right now.
	More progressive shows.
	Yeah, what show is that?
	I don't know.
	I don't know, but... Go on, like, Street Fight.
	Go on Street Fight, Joe Biden.
	It smacks of, like, liberal elitism.
	Of, like, progressive elitism, where you just go on, like, The View, maybe?
	Like, I don't know what he's talking about.
	And he's going to go on any show you're thinking of, you know?
	Yeah.
	This comment reminded me of, I'm not going to read the tweet, but it was a tweet that was like, Oh, why are you so mad, Charlemagne the God?
	Are you mad because you got caught up selling crack in 1994 because of the crime bill?
	What do you have to hide?
	And this was a black person who tweeted that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	A black woman who tweeted that.
	And it's like, Yeah, let's just do the drug war in order to get Joe Biden elected.
	And also, Charlamagne wasn't that mad.
	He was pretty cool about everything.
	I only saw clips of it, but he was just asking him serious questions.
	So, one of the comments that stood out to me in this Root article is from a user called Lying in Bed with the Radio On.
	And they write, "The hand-wringing over this interview is entirely misguided.
	Joe didn't say anything that every Democrat doesn't believe.
	It's just a plain fact that black voters who vote Republican are race traitors.
	But few white Democrats have been brave enough to say it publicly until now.
	Thanks to Joe's leadership, all of us can start saying it.
	It will be a valuable tool to browbeat reluctant black voters into line in November.
	Incredible.
	I love it.
	Very serious, right?
	Very serious.
	Maybe I'm too cynical or maybe I'm too online or whatever.
	This comment is like satire.
	Not only is this comment satire, I think this comment is specifically right-wing satire.
	It's hard to say.
	It's the username lying in bed with the radio on is like the biggest question mark to me.
	Because normally like a right-wing troll would have a either innocuous username which is like a name and a bunch of numbers or they would have like an obvious username.
	But this one is like I don't know, it looks to me like a personal song lyric or something.
	So they seem to be, I would assume, like a regular poster in here.
	But this comment is very tongue-in-cheek.
	Very few white Democrats have been brave enough to say it publicly that black Republicans are race traitors.
	Like, anybody commenting in The Root would probably know you're not supposed to call black people like Uncle Toms if you're white or whatever, you know?
	And so, thanks to Joe's leadership, all of us can now start saying it.
	We can start saying Uncle Tom and House N-word.
	We can start calling everybody out the House N, you know?
	Start calling them out.
	You gotta keep it real.
	And to browbeat, which is...
	Almost automatically a negative verb.
	Browbeat is like, specifically has a negative connotation.
	Browbeat reluctant black voters into line.
	Again, a negative connotation.
	So you would think, oh, people would be like, get out of here troll or whatever.
	Nope.
	22 likes.
	So like, you know, one of the top comments in this comment section and then, uh, autobox rollout responds.
	That's true.
	What you're saying is true, that all white Democrats and all Democrats believe that the Democratic Party is owed black people's votes, but it was a little stupid thing for him to say out loud.
	You best believe Republicans will have this on replay from now until November.
	He probably just gave them the most powerful ammo to use against him.
	And then lying in bed with the radio on responds.
	Why is it wrong to say it out loud?
	If Republicans want to accuse us Democrats of believing black people owe us their votes, let them.
	It's the truth.
	And we should be proud to take ownership of it.
	That's what Joe is asking from us.
	That's called being a strong leader.
	So this is like one step away from saying, yes, we are the plantation owners.
	Yes, we are the slave masters and we should own it and be proud of that fact.
	And we're just gonna take really good care of them is all.
	And then somebody else replied, listen to the entire interview to get context and the outrage is so petty and political.
	So just like, again, this is bad for the Democratic Party, I think.
	Oh, it's so bad.
	We've talked about how he's just going to get trounced in November, right?
	And how, whether we like it or not, Trump's good at this stuff, man.
	He's good at this stuff.
	I think it's in question.
	I am waffling on whether or not Biden could pull it off.
	Historically, statistically speaking, incumbents tend to get elected, tend to get re-elected.
	If it weren't for coronavirus, if it weren't for the economic downturn they were going through, I think it would be very likely that Trump would get re-elected.
	I think the coronavirus and the economic downturn are Joe Biden's best friends.
	Absolutely.
	And, like, the only reason that it's a question right now, because he's a demonstrably weak candidate.
	Yeah, because, like, you know, the second, you know, I don't know if they're real, but even if they're not real, the right's so good at this stuff now, there was immediately shirts You know, shirts that said, like, not black, you know, I'm not black.
	How many white Republicans are gonna buy that shirt where it says you're not black?
	And it's like, no, I'm wearing it ironically.
	Yeah, no, it's because I love it.
	I love your blackness.
	I don't, I don't believe, this is Joe, there's quotes around it.
	This is what Joe Biden is saying.
	I didn't say that.
	No, Joe Biden said that.
	It's like me trying to wear my Doom police bastard shirt where the cop has the swastika on his bobby cap.
	Yeah, I'm saying that the quote is bad on the shirt.
	So just real quick, another article that was, gosh, so funny from Salon.
	The headline is, Joe Biden was right about black people and Trump.
	And the left needs to get past purity tests.
	Yes.
	Once again, it's not like the socialist left who has been so worried about the whole, like, stay in your lane punditry or whatever.
	That's like something that's been lobbed against the left, this whole primary.
	Like, it's been very much like the left to talk about both race and class and gender.
	And when class is ever brought up, we are told that class conflict isn't going to solve racism.
	But also, we're going to elect Joe Biden an architect of institutional racism.
	That sentence should never be published.
	Joe Biden was right about black people.
	That's by itself.
	Like that should never, like what, like, you have to be very specific about what you're talking about with that statement, because what you're saying is, is Joe Biden is right.
	And that like, yeah, statistically, you know, that they're criminals more often.
	Statistically those, those like, uh, those environments, those neighborhoods are a racial jungle.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Uh, I, I love to like, listen to Joe Biden talk about black people and then decide whether he's right or not.
	You know?
	I love that.
	I think we should all just wait and hear what Joe Biden has to say about black people and then decide if he's right.
	The picture is him with two young beautiful black women and like I wonder, it was taken in March, I wonder if they still would be stoked on this picture now being used for this now.
	Yeah, it's a good point.
	Yeah.
	So real quick, it's just, yeah, Joe Biden was right about black people.
	This, I'm going to read a lot very quickly, but it's all for the purpose of one specific point.
	Biden's inartful phrasing was essentially correct, and progressives must face the urgency of this situation.
	So it's correct that black people aren't black unless they vote for Joe Biden, which is insane.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	My uncle, whom I'll call Roger, is a white man.
	He, quote, dated my older cousin slash aunt for over 40 years.
	Although they never got married, Roger was also a musician who played bass in my father's band.
	Roger and my cousin aunt were very much in love and had several children.
	As such, Uncle Roger was always at family gatherings and other events.
	Inevitably, he would have too much to drink, parentheses in smoke, and get into a loud argument with someone about politics, sports, music, books, or some other topic, space, dot dot dot, space, and then he would say something impolitic about black folks.
	Everyone would look at him, shake their heads, roll their eyes, and then laugh.
	On cue, everyone would say, that's Uncle Roger, he's just getting too familiar again.
	Uncle Roger's transgressions, and to be fair, much of what he said was actually true.
	Question mark.
	Yeah, what?
	Became a running joke in my family and their circle of friends.
	It was all like some 1980s sitcom where there's one white character who loves his black family and friends but crosses that invisible line between what black folks can say to and about each other.
	Other groups have such rules of speech and decorum as well.
	In territory where other people had best not venture.
	America may not have an Uncle Roger, but we do have an Uncle Joe.
	God damn it.
	So this whole argument is Joe Biden is like that white uncle who gets too drunk and can't handle normal conversations so he says racist things and that's why we should elect him.
	Yeah.
	That's why he should be president.
	The thing about the Uncle Roger story is that Uncle Roger is still a racist.
	That's the whole point.
	He is a racist.
	Uncle Roger is like a racist that's tolerated because he's family.
	Absolutely.
	I've been the opposite.
	I've been the race that was tolerated because he's family.
	I understand that feeling.
	That's so sad.
	It's a good joke, but it's very sad.
	Yeah, I mean also very real.
	So I totally get it.
	I totally get that.
	I have an Uncle Roger.
	So you know what it's like to be drunk and be Joe Biden?
	He would get drunk and be racist.
	And it turns out it wasn't just when he was around me.
	It was just like all the time.
	So I don't know if I missed any good takes he might have had.
	I might have missed those good ones.
	Speaking of like it's this this whole conversation so like Michael Tracy who's like I don't fucking know this guy Michael Tracy I don't know he's like some he's like some woke blogger or vlogger or something by woke I mean he's like the real socialist who's like gonna do like you know class analysis and really knows the working class and like how the working class operates or whatever
	He tweeted out What Joe Biden said is is no different than what working-class black people say all the time that like If you vote for Trump, you're not black or something and it's like oh cool Like I didn't know you hung out with a bunch of working-class black people you fucking blogger vlogger journalist guy I don't know.
	I have a job as it as it stands as as it turns out I have a job Where I work with a lot of people of color, and let me tell you, white people aren't making loud statements about black people in front of black people.
	No, it's bad luck.
	Every time.
	When white working class people say things like this, they look around first.
	Yeah.
	They look around first, and then they tell me this, and then I tell them, don't fucking say that shit to me.
	That's that's like my experience with working class racism or whatever, because if you are working class and you're not in the middle, the Midwest, or if you're not in an utterly white area, you are working with overwhelmingly brown and black people.
	That's just it.
	And you don't make jokes about race or you don't make statements about race unless you're like really, really close with.
	Those people, and it's usually not like... Or they're below you.
	Or they're below you.
	Okay, that's a good point.
	No, I just, it's like maybe there's a difference between a working class black person saying this and Joe Biden, former vice president, white senator, saying something like this.
	Maybe there's a difference there, Michael Tracy.
	And also, so what?
	We're allowed to say that.
	Mind your business.
	I mean, I don't agree with the sentiment, obviously, but we're allowed to say it.
	Could be wrong.
	It's just not the same.
	It's just not the same at all.
	Obviously.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, let's get into the right wing.
	This right wing post.
	So this is a group called Hood Republicans that we've talked about on this show before.
	And it's it's admined by a couple white women but there are there are black people in this group in this group called hood republicans but keep in mind like hood is like a state of mind you know absolutely it's like you know spiritual gangster Dominique Lesois, I don't know, Lesois St.
	Hill, who is an African-American man, I think he's in America, I'm not sure, posted this into Hood Republicans.
	So wild.
	Please praying hands, Mr. Biden, uh, anguish, smiley face.
	We just want to vote for Trump, American flag.
	Don't whip us.
	Hashtag black Trump supporters.
	Hashtag modern day slavery.
	Hashtag you ain't black.
	Hashtag black, not Democrat.
	Hashtag blacks, not Trump.
	Hashtag white liberals.
	Hashtag modern day slave masters.
	Hashtag black voices for Trump.
	Hashtag Donald Trump. Hashtag Trump 2020.
	MAGA CAG.
	Whatever.
	The meme that accompanies this is an edit of a scene from Roots.
	And it's Kunta Kinte in the foreground with his arms above him.
	You know, like during the infamous scene where he's being whipped and being renamed.
	and And it's where he's refusing to accept the name, you know, so it's him with his hands out of frame above his head, face in pain.
	Oh, but he's wearing a MAGA hat in this edit.
	He's wearing a MAGA hat and the person whipping him has been edited to have Joe Biden's head.
	And there are comical speech bubbles, cartoonish speech bubbles, like MS Paint speech bubbles.
	From Kunta Kinte it says, I am black.
	Yep.
	And from Joe Biden, the person whipping Kunta Kunte, it says, you ain't black.
	And then Joe Biden, the person who's mocked to look like Joe Biden, has a Democratic Party armband on.
	Which was confusing because I thought that was like the watermark for this meme.
	And I'm like, it doesn't make any sense.
	And then I was like, oh, that's what it is, like an armband.
	It's like, it's like a circular MS Paint patch on the shoulder.
	And then also there's text on Kutakinte's chest that says Free Thinker.
	Which we knew because of the hat.
	You didn't have to do that.
	Yeah.
	Well, I guess it was either Free Thinker or Superman, so I wasn't sure.
	I guess it is good that they clarify that he's in fact a Free Thinker and not Superman.
	Um, so yeah, this is like, hey, we really, uh, we're really offended by what Joe Biden said.
	We take a lot of like, we take it seriously, like what Joe Biden said.
	Um, here's a photo of a slave being whipped while wearing a MAGA hat and Joe Biden's doing the whipping.
	Uh, and there are, uh, like 18 laugh reacts for this photo and in this, in this post.
	I couldn't imagine, this is one of the ones I couldn't imagine actually making.
	Like having the idea, and then making it, and then thinking you nailed it, and then posting it.
	At no point were you like, oh this maybe doesn't work, this is maybe not a good idea.
	It's mind blowing to me.
	What is your life?
	What influences did you have?
	Where did you grow up?
	Who did you grow up with?
	How did you get to this point?
	Were you equating this to that?
	Have you actually seen Roots or do you just know this scene?
	What's the deal?
	It's fucked.
	I can't speak to like, I don't know, the mindset of an African American posting this, you know, obviously, or like the, I don't know, the cultural ramifications or whatever, but in terms of like the ecosystem for the audience, the audience for this content, Instantly rewarded.
	This is instantly good content to the racist boomers in the Republican Party.
	Because they know what it is.
	They want to laugh.
	They want to laugh at a black person being whipped.
	And there's like funny speech bubbles here.
	And it's funny that Joe Biden is the slave master.
	Like, isn't this all so hilarious?
	Like, there is an instant reward for Dominique posting this into this Facebook group.
	Yeah, for sure.
	And cause like, it's, it still shows slavery as being bad.
	Um, it's just, just wild how like small it makes it seem.
	Imagine somebody, I mean, this has probably happened.
	I haven't seen it yet.
	You know, we, we get a lot of content for this show and people send us a lot of content.
	This is like the equivalent of Jesus on the cross with a MAGA hat.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is the equivalent of like the Romans or the Jews or whoever they want to be the scapegoat.
	Nailing a MAGA fan up to the cross.
	Nailing a Trump supporter to a cross.
	Yeah.
	Haven't seen that yet, but that's the level we're working on here.
	And I think that that would be...
	Less welcome.
	I think that people have more respect for... I think Republicans have more respect for Jesus than they would have for Kunta Kinte.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Now, what if you use real Jesus?
	What if you use black Jesus in this scenario?
	How does the math work out there?
	I think it's a grand slam.
	It's not just a home run.
	I think it's a grand slam.
	Maybe this will be the jump off.
	Maybe I'll finally jump on the grift.
	Uh, and then Willie Flowers responds, uh, to Dominique.
	I love all of you.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Hold on.
	I missed it.
	Um, they said it's a different person.
	I didn't put the comment in here, but a different person was like, God, you're so great.
	Have you ever thought about getting into politics, Dominique?
	Have you ever thought about running for office?
	You make such funny memes.
	I love that.
	I love the support.
	You know what?
	Making memes is one thing, but getting active is different.
	Get involved.
	Run for local office.
	That's what they tell us all to do, right?
	Run for local office.
	We need more African Americans who are willing to make slavery jokes.
	Yes, exactly.
	To make fun of the Braves.
	Insane.
	I love it.
	Finally, Wiley Flowers, this is a Republican conservative comment, says, I love all of you.
	I'm white and not Democrat.
	I'm voting Donald Trump.
	It doesn't matter what color it, what we need to keep America great.
	I don't know what Biden is, but he's not white.
	What?
	There's so many things here.
	I just love that because I always love any time people like, um, people totally, uh, dumbed down race into just color.
	And like they literally use it as color as in like shades.
	And that's always interesting to me.
	And then I just love it.
	I don't know what, I don't know what color Biden is.
	I don't know what Biden is, but he's not white.
	I have no idea what he's trying to say about Biden.
	Is this, like, anti-Irish racism?
	Or, like, anti-German racism?
	Like, I don't... Biden's a race traitor for being a Democrat.
	No, but, like, in this context, like, being black means you're a Republican or something.
	You know what I mean?
	Because you're going against the grain, against Biden's statement.
	So, it's meant to be an insult, I think?
	Yeah.
	It's not why?
	Yeah, no, definitely.
	It's definitely supposed to be bad on Biden.
	He wishes he was white like me.
	Alright, I don't know.
	Anyway, let's move on to the second topic of the night.
	I don't know if I can do the second topic.
	I'm so sorry.
	I am dying over here.
	I don't know what's going on.
	My face is covered in snot.
	It's been an intense night for everybody, I think.
	I'm so sorry.
	I don't know what it is, but I have to get out of this room.
	Alright, that's alright.
	We'll cover Skittles going grey for Gay Pride Month another time.
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