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And yeah, today we are talking about the movie still in theaters, Black and Blue.
This is something that I think Tony is... Tony, did you find this like two months ago?
Yeah, well I found it when it was for the preview for Angels Fallen.
Our smash hit blockbuster crossover episode.
That's when I saw it was the preview for that.
I was like, holy shit, this is going to be amazing.
And I was not let down.
Actually, Angel Has Fallen had a great preview slate.
21 Bridges, Queen and Slim, Black and Blue.
Like, they knew the audiences who wanted to see that movie.
And like, really, it was good upward marketing.
21 Bridges is the other one that I was trying to think of.
And that one is definitely more fascistic, if I remember correctly, at least in the marketing.
Yeah, from the directors of Avengers Endgame comes a movie about hunting down a few people across Manhattan by turning it into an escape from New York situation.
It's like Martial Law in that movie, right?
Yeah, like Arkham Island style shutdowns.
What's that line from the trailer?
You're the cop who kills cop killers.
Yeah, a genetically augmented cop who can see cop killers with his supervision.
Honestly, it feels like a Hideo Kojima game.
Like, that's what 21 Bridges feels like.
Yeah.
A nation for cops.
Yeah, this one, not fascistic, very much liberal in its outlook.
Super.
This is very much like a you-shouldn't-see-color movie.
Like, whether that color is black or blue, you just shouldn't see it, right?
Let's get into the plot of this movie, okay?
So this movie is starring Naomi Harris, who I mostly know from 28 Days Later, which I thought she was great in.
But she's been in a lot of stuff.
She's been in the new 007 franchises, as well as Moonlight, which I didn't see.
Ooh, see it.
See it.
See it today.
I'm not a big fan of the family dramas, I don't know.
It's way more than that.
It's really good.
It's really good, and it's beautiful, and you'll probably cry, so maybe don't see it today.
I don't know, it's an A24 movie without white people, so I don't know if I'm going to see it.
Yeah, so this is also starring Tyrese Gibson, okay?
So those are like the two big names in this movie.
But chubby.
But chubby, a little thick.
Which is sad because I love shirtless Tyrese, like I live for shirtless Tyrese.
And I didn't get that because he was definitely chubby Tyrese.
It was amazing.
He looks good though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyrese can still get it, like don't get me wrong.
Yeah.
There's a great turn from Frank Grillo, who usually plays a great bad white guy in movies.
Mike Colter, who's playing evil Luke Cage.
It's a great cast.
Yeah, I love evil Luke Cage.
I was so stoked when I saw evil Luke Cage on screen.
I felt so betrayed myself.
I didn't like it at all.
It's very weird.
Mostly because I feel like maybe he could have learned some more acting from the villains on Luke Cage on how to be a villain.
Like, the most villainous thing about him was his grill.
Yeah.
Yeah, they put a grill in him and a fur coat and they were like, he's bad now, what?
Like, look at him.
Um, this movie starts out with like a very important bit of sound, which is Welcome to America by Lecrae, uh, which like isn't really not a bad song.
I kind of liked it, but the lyrics really just like stood out to me because, uh, the first verse, there's three verses of this song.
And the first, each verse is from a different perspective.
And so the first verse, I just have four lines here.
All I know is drugs and rap.
All I know is hot chip and lie.
I probably could have been some kind of doctor instead of holding guns and crack.
And the thing to know about Lecrae is that he's a Christian rapper.
And I don't think he's ever sold crack, let alone done it, or held a gun, etc.
But this first verse is all from like an inner-city youth who all they know is, you know, disrespecting authority and selling drugs.
And then the second verse is, when y'all free here saying you don't want to be here, this is talking about America, Boy, you probably couldn't breathe here if I didn't load a couple magazines here.
And so this is from the perspective of a soldier who was deployed overseas to protect our freedoms so we could breathe here.
Was this written for the movie?
It really seems like that, doesn't it?
Yeah, it's funny.
I can't wait for the Watch the Church collab with Lecrae and Kanye West, because you know that album is going to be hot fire.
Yeah.
This is just like a perfect song for this movie because our main character she is like a vet who becomes a cop and she's sort of distanced herself from her old neighborhood in New Orleans and she's coming back to work on the force.
She's already been a cop but she transferred to New Orleans and the whole movie is about her like Trying to, if not rediscover her identity, just try and, like, connect the disparate threads of her identity.
You know, where she came from this low-income, uh, black neighborhood and now she's on the other side of it, I guess the movie is trying to say, uh, in policing it.
And this movie, like, I guess now would be the time for your, your little trivia, Abdul.
Oh, yes.
This film was written by, um, I looked up a picture of him.
He is, uh, perhaps the whitest person I've ever seen.
Peter A. Dowling.
Yeah.
Um, who's, like, a British writer who, yeah, he wrote, like, Flight Plan and a bunch of other shitty movies no one saw.
Um, but, like, now that you bring up the song, I'm starting to think he heard the song and then wrote the movie based on the song.
Like, I'm actually thinking, like, he really liked the song and was like, I could make a movie out of this, you know what I mean?
Like, it really does feel like that.
Evan, you have his other credits?
Yeah, so Peter A. Dowling has a storied career.
I don't think anyone can take that away from him.
We all saw Sacrifice, we all saw Reasonable Doubt with Samuel L. Jackson, but his most recent entry is five episodes of Transformers Rescue Bots Academy.
Which, if it has the same kind of politics as Black and Blue, would really raise some interesting questions about robotics and race in the Transformers.
I was happy to hear that this person directed it because it did feel very clear that the person who made this movie didn't really know black people and kind of had a movie idea of black people.
It was directed by a black person, it was just written by a white guy, but the... Just the whole concept, the whole layout of it felt that way.
Yeah.
The director also made a film called Meet the Blacks, which is a horror comedy from 2016.
I mean, he seems really odd.
His filmography seems a little confused, and I'm worried about him.
Yeah.
So this, this song just, the more I learned about like this song up top, uh, it just, yeah, it was like, it's the perfect song for this movie because it's a Christian rapper who's hasn't experienced, as far as I could tell, I looked into his personal history, has not experienced drug dealing or gang banging, and has also not experienced being deployed overseas, writing a song from the perspective of both of those groups, like pitting them against each other.
And it's, I mean, it's a good song, like, musically, but it's just extremely corny.
And that's kind of like this movie as well.
Everything is very weird.
The politics are very weird and clunky.
And you can tell it was written by somebody who just hasn't experienced any of this at all.
Yeah, it also feels like it wasn't directed by someone who understands, you know, that world either, right?
Like, I don't know what Dion Taylor's upbringing was, but I was saying this before we recorded, like, I used to work a lot of, like, hip-hop film sets in Toronto, because that's what you do when you're starting out.
And like you'd see a black director go up to an extra and stuff and be like, Hey, can you just make it more hood?
You know what I mean?
Like someone who's clearly from like an upper middle class, uh, you know, background, but also is of color and is like, you know, just make it more black.
And the extra would just be like, I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm just here to make my money.
Can you articulate it better?
And he's like, you know, put a hood spin on it.
like this was an actual conversation multiple conversations I saw right you just overheard him say chutzpah put a little chutzpah on do you have any Can you put some of that stank on?
Yeah, so we get our opening scene, uh, we get, uh, Naomi's character, Alicia, jogging through a neighborhood, wearing a hoodie, listening to Welcome to America over her earbuds, um, and she gets stopped by the police, right?
They just pull her over instantly, and going into this movie, like, you know that she's a cop, so you're like, they ride up right on her, right up behind her, and she doesn't, like, freak out or react so you're like oh okay this is like people she knows these are cops she knows but she just gets off the curb and then they jump out of the car and throw her up against the fence immediately yeah and uh the one big cop says uh what are you doing in my neighborhood yep yep and it's uh it's very um i don't know
it's an effective scene but it's also very like uh what's the word like heightened and you know yeah a little slapstick yeah also like i i mean not not to be that but also a little unlikely um just because like when those things happen uh it's usually not somebody who's like claustrophobic
She's clearly exercising and is also a well-groomed, attractive woman.
That's usually not the combo.
It's going to be harassment.
There's going to be harassment, but it's not going to be throwing you against the wall right away.
There's probably going to be some catcalling, maybe.
That's probably what would have happened.
They would have drove past her slowly and catcalled her until she finally says, like, I'm a cop, which I don't know why she also didn't say.
I'm a cop.
She tries to say it and he keeps, oh stop uh don't.
Yeah.
I think this opening is a great microcosm for why this movie kind of fails generally um because like it feels written like there's a sense of unreality to the entire thing where it's just like oh this is going to be a brave movie talking about issues of like communities and their relationship to the police But it's just like a cartoonish, like the police are like cackling villains who are like, I can't wait to kill you.
And it's like, sure, there are some of them.
But it's just like, there's a disconnect between like how humans interact with each other, and also trying to maybe critique like these structural issues.
But I feel like it gets so bogged down because it's just like, this writer's like, damn, I'm telling a really important story.
And then this is the result of it.
It's like, okay.
And the closer to that scene is where the other cop looks at her wallet and is like, yo, step off.
She's blue.
It feels like made-up cop speak, you know what I mean?
I don't think most people would talk about that in a very embarrassing situation where you've just carded one of your associates.
Yeah, it does seem like an alternate reality where they have their own lingo.
She's blue, you know.
And it's like you said, Evan, you can immediately tell who the bad cops are.
You know, it's like you see these guys and you're like, oh, these are the bad cops because they're twirling their mustaches and shit.
Yeah.
That's a theme that runs throughout the entire movie, right?
There's mostly good cops, but then bad cops who are gaming the system and using it for their own gain.
Yeah, most of the co- I mean, I would say that, like, most of the cops we see are bad, but there's two types of bad.
There's, like, the cartoonish, supervillain bad, and then there's the weak, scared bad, uh, who are too afraid to go up against the cartoonish villain ones.
And then there are, like, good cops who we don't see until, like, the very end of the movie.
But it's- it is played as just, oh, the problems with the police are there are these, Dastardly, you know, malefactors within the force, and it's like no actual critique of the institution as a whole.
Yeah, bad apples, right?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah, so she gets hassled by these cops.
They find out that she's blue, so they let her go, and the cop isn't like that sorry about it.
He's still clearly an asshole.
She goes to work, uh, we meet her new partner, uh, played by, uh, that guy from Veep, the cool guy from Veep, Reed Scott.
Yeah.
Right?
Is he the cool guy in that show?
Yeah, he's cool.
Okay.
Uh, it's explained, like, throughout, you know, exposition that she's, you know, back in town.
She's somewhat new to the police force, but she's very new to this specific police force in New Orleans.
Um, and they drive by, they go out on patrol and they drive by, uh, Kingston Manor, which are like the low income housing project units, basically.
And, uh, her new partner explains to her that they don't even respond to calls in there unless a blue is in trouble.
A blue.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's only, only if one of us is in there, we're going to go in there.
So we just don't go in there.
Unless something dubious is going on.
Unless there's a Blue Man Group performance or someone is watching Smurfs, they will not go in there.
I like the circular logic of that.
Like, we don't go in there unless a blue is in there, but blue would never go in there because we're not in there.
It's like a line that sounds devastating when you hear it in the movie, but then you think about it for like 10 seconds and you're like, no, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
Yeah.
Well, no, it would be because, like, the gangbangers have kidnapped an innocent blue and dragged them back to their lair at Kingston Manor.
Yeah.
And just the implication that they, like, don't police heavily policed areas, as if that's not the backbone of the prison industrial complex.
Yeah, the argument is that, yeah, they're not policing us enough, and that's why we don't trust the police.
It's just this brilliant logic.
I mean, I do think there's, like, a kernel of truth to that.
Like, they police these neighborhoods on their terms, not the neighborhoods' terms, right?
Like, they're not gonna respond to 911 calls, but they'll, like, card every person on the street, like, a weekend, right?
Yeah, totally.
But it's funny, too, because they're just driving by slowly, you know, outside the fence for this low-income housing.
And he's just like explaining to her, we don't police this, you know, we, we don't respond to calls or anything.
We just, I guess, drive by slowly and look at them and like, I don't know, like taunt them.
Oh, you could, you could be getting our policing, but no, no, no.
You know?
And then we, and then we drive away and get coffee.
Yeah.
So, uh, go ahead.
Oh, I was just gonna say, the part that comes after this, you can cut this, the part that comes after this is probably one of the best parts of the movie.
Yeah, this is where they go to the market, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, they go to the market, she stays in the car, her partner goes inside to get coffee or something, and while her partner's inside, she notices an urban youth sitting on the curb with his skateboard, and she thinks, oh great, this is like a prime way to connect with the community, and so she gets out of the car and she says like, skateboard, huh?
And he's like, I didn't steal it, basically, right?
Yeah.
And that escalation of tension between the skateboarding kid's mom who basically yells like, don't talk to my son, don't bother him, and she instantly goes like, do we have a problem?
It just kind of really goes to a hundred.
Like it's the Avengers Infinity War of black stereotypes all meeting at this corner store because it's like, Oh, I'm just like, you know, a kid with a skateboard and I'm kind of sad.
And then there's the cop who's like, oh, we got to uplift this community.
And then there's like the mom who just like starts screaming.
And then of course, there's like the dangerous drug dealers, like hanging out, listening to loud rap music.
So, you know, they're dangerous.
And it's like, there's this movie has potent psychology that I'm really excited to continue exploring.
And what the mom is wearing in this scene is so interesting, you know what I mean?
Like, she's, like, dressed to the nines, but hood-rich.
Like, she's definitely just not dressed like a normal person who would be out on the street that day.
No, she's wearing, like, a cable-knit turtleneck.
I'll disagree with all that.
I think people very much will dress that way just every day if they can.
I see it all the time.
I think that was a very normal outfit.
I just think she looked awesome.
I think she looked nice.
Maybe that's the whole thing.
Maybe she wasn't supposed to look that good for that character.
But that's also part of the character.
That character does look dope 24-7.
There's no time off for her.
She's always put together.
Yeah, there's no small roles, only small actors.
Yes, of course.
Another great firm coat moment.
Yeah.
But what's great about this, too, is this this scene is so deceiving.
Because this, you know, like this mom that she's there, they see each other, they're looking at each other, making eye contact with each other, talking about that woman's kid.
And they are not familiar with each other for some reason and they are just beefing and then people are like whoa a lot of tension a lot of tension let's take this tension down and we're supposed to just like dismiss this character as if she's just some sort of like antagonist but she's a very like arguably the most important character in the movie the woman she's yelling at
And the implication of the scene, I think, in totality is really interesting, because it's like, you know, a typical, like, liberal person watching this, or someone who's, like, not, you know, quote-unquote woke or something like that, would be like, oh, you know, when cops, good cops do do outreach to these communities, look at how the communities respond, right?
As if it's, like, exists in a vacuum, and there aren't, like, strong structural issues with the nature of policing that, you know, needs to be abolished entirely.
Yeah, the way the scene plays out is, uh, West, Alicia West, our main character, she's trying to connect with this kid, talk to him about his skateboard.
He's obviously, like, suspicious of her, like, I didn't do anything wrong, stop bothering me.
And she's trying to explain, no, no, no, I'm just trying to be a capital G good capital C cop.
And the mom sees the cop, sees Alicia talking to her son, and she's like, hey, kid, get over here.
I don't remember her kid's name.
She's like, hey, get over here.
And then Alicia turns to the mom and says, he didn't do anything wrong.
And it's like, shut up.
Like, let her talk to her kid, you know?
And the implication here is that Uh, Missy, who is the kid's mother, she doesn't want, like, the kid getting into trouble with the cops, she doesn't want any problems with the cops, she doesn't want the kid to get shot or something like that, so she wants to get the kid away from the cop.
I think what was really going on is she didn't want her son to be part of, like, some viral video cop propaganda where Alicia West, like, skateboards in front of him and does a kickflip or something.
So, I think Missy made the right move here.
And then give some ice cream.
Yeah, exactly.
At the same time, Tyrese, we see Tyrese for the first time.
He's inside this market, interacting with the other cop who is being, like, her partner cop, who is being sort of intimidated by one of the drug dealer guys who's inside the market.
Alicia goes inside the market.
She recognizes Tyrese.
Tyrese is like, standoffish toward her.
You know, they used to be friends.
Just like she used to be friends with Missy, too.
I don't know if we said that.
She said, you know, don't you recognize... Yeah, that's where I was getting at.
Yeah, she said, don't you recognize me, Missy?
And Missy's like, no.
Like, clearly not wanting to be associated with this new cop in New Orleans.
And it's like, even if you had, like, a weird beef with somebody, if you haven't seen him in what seems like at least 10 years, there's gonna be something.
There's going to be something that's not just tension.
Real quick anecdote.
I went to a Halloween party last weekend and I was wearing a costume that nobody got.
What was it?
There was one person there that was going to be there who I knew was going to be there who doesn't like me.
An old friend who doesn't care for me anymore.
But I knew that he would get it.
And he saw me.
He hasn't said a nice thing to me in two years.
Like, at all.
And he saw me and he looks at me and he goes, T.C.
Tuggers?
And I was all, T.C.
Tuggers.
And we had a little friendship moment and it was beautiful.
It's a movie moment right there, dude.
Even this guy who does not care for me at all, I haven't seen him in a while and there was something common there and he was like, T.C.
Tuggers.
They could have had a T.C.
Tuggers moment and it just didn't happen.
If her old friend looked at her and said, black and blue.
Yeah, so she goes in, she tries to reconnect with Tyrese.
Tyrese doesn't want anything to do with her because she's like, you know, in their minds, abandoned the community.
She said, when did Missy get a kid?
And Tyrese is like, 10 years ago, you crazy person.
Like, that's a pretty easy thing to backdate.
I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, huh, how old is that child?
You know, it kind of answers itself.
Yeah, because she would have been like, oh my god, you have a kid.
That's what she would have done.
Um, she kind of, she kind of sees the way her partner interacts with the other guy who's working at this market.
The, the officer, her partner just like helps himself to whatever goods he wants.
And he's like, thanks.
Uh, Alicia tries to pay and Tyrese is like, no cops don't pay here.
It's a very funny twist on the whole, like, thank you for your service thing that we always see in real life, you know, where cops get discounts or free meals or whatever.
Tyrese is like, yeah, they get free shit and it sucks.
It's a very real twist called extortion.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a refocus on the respect economy, which I really love.
Because she's resistant to this idea that cops don't pay, so she puts some money in the tip jar, right?
So it's like, she's received respect, she needs to give respect.
I was saluting during that entire scene.
She finds out she's going to be partnered with a police officer named Brown to do the night shift.
She goes to meet him and he's talking with, I think it's the same NARC units that we see later in the movie.
They do not like her or even say hi to her at all.
Everybody just hates her instantly because she's a woman, I guess.
And she tells Brown that she'll be riding along with him and pretty much the first thing he does to her is he disrespects her military service.
Which I thought was pretty great.
You know, she said, like, he asked her where she's from.
She says where she's from.
And, like, I don't know, it's some operating base that he knows about.
So he can say, oh, you were in the military?
She says, yeah.
And he said, yeah, my dad was in the first Iraq.
Pointless bullshit.
Or something like that.
And I'm like, oh, that's cool.
You know, that's cool.
That's, like, super disrespectful to her service.
Like, I like that.
But then he says, oh, you're wearing that shit about her body camera?
And she says, uh, yeah, might as well, like, we're all going to be wearing them soon enough.
And he says, well, don't fucking point it at me.
And I'm like, okay, so he's the bad guy.
He was disrespecting her military service, not because he was super cool, but because he's super bad.
It's also important to note that he is black.
He is the bad black cop as well, right?
We already said his name is Officer Brown.
Officer POC.
Yeah, I think it's a kind of a recurring theme that's first brought up here about like how body cams are like the apex of accountability.
And like, you know, we got the body cam footage, like that's all you need.
You know, that makes policing great.
Yeah.
It's also very weird that she says, oh, we're all going to be wearing them soon enough.
Might as well start now.
So she has she opted into the body cam program?
Yes, because it's not mandatory yet.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, this is an option cops can take, they just not?
Everyone else is just Agent 47-ing everyone around them.
Well, I mean, even when it is required, they're like, oh, didn't work.
Weird.
Well, and they're shown being able to, like, turn them on and off all the time.
They're like, oh, got to chase after someone, turn it on.
Like, it's very weird.
It's a very weird system they have here.
I would be kind of like, if a cop pulled me over and they had, like, their own GoPro on them, I don't know if I'd either be like, you fucking nerd, or be like, worried that I'm gonna be part of a snuff film.
Imagine being like, the one cop who opts into the body cam program at like, cop lunch or whatever.
Like, just as if there aren't social pressures, so make sure these people don't like, last in the force for more than like, two weeks.
Well, the future is all cops become Twitch streamers.
I think that's where it's kind of positioning things to be going in.
Uh, well that'd be good because then we can just like donate directly to the boys in blue.
Exactly.
Um yeah so uh they're they're doing the night shift they get a call about like some altercation at a club uh they go it's like a you know it's it's a crowd outside of the front of a club uh Alicia jumps out of the car like just I don't know forces her way through the crowd and puts one of the guys who was fighting up against the wall and she's like got him by the throat and the heart the arm and she's like calm down calm down He's like, uh, I'm calm.
I'm calm.
Please don't kill me.
You know?
That absolutely incredible de-escalation technique of pinning someone against the wall by their throat.
That always works.
Yeah.
And the dude, the dude is like, okay, yeah, I'm calm.
I'm calm.
And it's not, the scene isn't played for like tension.
The scene is like, oh, she's got control.
And she's also speaking to him like a human being because she's like, calm down, sir.
Calm down.
But yeah, she's just grabbing him by the throat.
It's funny.
But it's all things I've seen like Cesar Millan tell people to do.
It's not really a human being.
The thug whisperer.
And so as she's doing this trying to find out what happened the guy that this guy that she's got was actually fighting is like sneaking around the back of the crowd to like shoot her in the back of the head apparently in front of all these people.
Yeah, presumably for sure.
This is how they do it.
This is how these criminals do it, okay?
If you have your back turned on one, they're gonna shoot you in the back of the head.
It doesn't matter if there's 30 witnesses and another cop in a cop car right behind them.
They're gonna premeditatively decide to sneak up and kill you.
And so the other cop, uh, at the last second grabs this second guy, uh, you know, prevents him from pulling his gun out, throws him onto the hood of the car.
And, uh, he's got his arm behind his back on the hood of the car.
And he says, uh, you know, what does he say?
What's the thing that he keeps saying?
He's like, calm down or stop resisting or something like that.
Yeah he's saying like stop resisting and like he's being extra aggressive and the guy is kind of like the guy is kind of trying to tell him to chill and he's being he is being aggressive back yeah he's being extra aggressive like the guy is slamming his head like over and over into the cop car Well, he's doing what cops do.
He's doing the regular trunk slam.
Yeah, he's just doing it, but it's like heightened, you know, for the movie and he's just doing it over and he does it like literally about eight times.
He's like, stop slamming yourself!
Stop slamming yourself!
And, uh, Alicia, it's- and then he eventually, like, it's so funny because it's so cartoonish because the guy isn't, like, even fighting back at all.
Like, you naturally would in that situation.
You naturally would, like, be struggling to stop having your head be slammed into the truck of a car or whatever, but it's just happening, and the cop just keeps getting madder and madder and madder, and so he says, I'll fucking pop you right here, and he pulls his gun out and points it at the guy's head.
And he says, I'll pop you right here.
And Alicia's like, that's not necessary.
That is not necessary.
She's just like, not cool, dude.
Dude, not cool.
That's a little overboard, don't you think?
It feels like the writer of this film was too squeamish to watch videos of officers murdering people, but they did skim the Wikipedia article and then derive all their writing from that, right?
You mentioned heightened, but it almost crosses the line into parody during this scene.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And we all remember those videos of cops, um, when, you know, after a chase is done, or something, um, you know, four of the officers are, uh, calling, um, you know, the person they caught, like, every racial slur in the book, uh, and they're about to cave their skull in, and then there's always that one officer who's like, You know, I feel like this is a little bit excessive.
Totally.
He's kind of turning the mirror on the police and saying, do you think this is appropriate?
And that's what makes them a hero.
Well, that's why the media is so crooked.
They don't want to show you that one cop who's like off screen saying, hey, why don't we rethink this, guys?
There's always that one cop who is saying, I don't know about this, but the media cuts it out.
They crop the picture and you can't see that cop.
Um, they go back, they're like winding down, uh, they go back to a diner.
It's like a hard cut view.
I think, I think a really, a really critical part of this is that, you know, she's screaming, Alicia's screaming, this is not necessary, please stop.
And then he pulls out a gun and he was like, that was meant for you.
And so you find out that like police brutality, sometimes okay.
Totally.
Yeah.
He pulls the guy's gun out of the guy's waistband or whatever.
And it was like also kind of a cartoonish looking revolver.
And he like throws it on the hood of the car where anyone can still get it.
Including the guy he has pinned!
Yeah!
- Yeah, yeah.
- Wouldn't it be funny if the guy just like-- - Why did it take you that long to unarm him?
- Yeah, wouldn't it be funny if the guy like wiggled his body and then swallowed the gun as evidence?
- Like a snake?
- It was small enough.
It really did look like a peashooter.
It looked like one of those pistols that old-timey prostitutes have in their garters.
Yeah, a Derringer.
Have you guys seen that actual police cop car footage of that guy swallowing his drugs as evidence?
No!
That's what I was referencing.
A cop throws the guy's baggie on the hood while he's got him like pinned up against the hood and the cop turns around to make a call and the guy like shifts his body forward and eats the baggie.
That's so fucking cool!
Um, yeah, so they go back to a diner, you know, uh, this officer Brown has proven that actually, like you said, he was in the right because this guy was just a police assassin.
He was, he was an elite anti-cop assassin who was going to take her out and officer Brown saved her life.
And so she's the one who apologizes to him at the diner.
And then he gives a speech and which the lines here are, uh, you think you're black, that these are your people.
You're blue now.
And this is like the theme of the movie is that this is how like this is how simpletons view society this is how like shallow people interact with society they think like racism is a team sport where you're either on team black or team cop and that's the way and I'm saying that like The movie says that shallow people act that way, but they show, like, everybody in this movie who we're supposed to be critical of acting exactly this way.
You're blue now.
You think you're black, you're blue now.
Or you're not one of us, you're one of them.
It's a very weird message of this movie.
Also the message of the movie Avatar.
Just throwing that out there.
I will say though that he's right.
You are now a class traitor.
You're a race traitor.
You suck.
I do want to make that very clear, like, you suck.
But the way that the movie is framing it is that black people are automatically the criminals, and so you've decided to become a blue, you've separated yourself from the criminal element.
Because it isn't like a cop versus working class thing, because I don't think anybody else in the project, I don't think there's any non-black people in the projects here.
No.
No, and everybody, everybody is like, working the trap.
Yeah.
It was like a little trap commune.
Dude, it's so, we'll get into it later, but the commune they have, the compound.
I'm gonna make so much money off of the concept of trap commune.
Yeah, it was the crime building.
Everyone lived in the building to do crime and record police officers.
And that was how the economy just kind of functioned.
So, dude gets a call.
Officer Brown says, you know, hey, we got a call.
We got to go.
And she's like, on your cell phone?
Because he was just talking on his personal cell phone.
I thought that was a funny line.
She's like, on your cell phone?
This is weird.
I guess when we have like private cops, or I guess there already are, that will be a reality that we all live in.
Yeah.
Calling our own personal cop.
So they go to, it's like morning now.
They go to some abandoned warehouse and he tells her to wait in the car.
He says he's got to meet with CIs, which I don't know, is it like informants?
I don't know.
Yeah.
And so he goes inside the building.
She sees a guy try to steal the car that's like right in front of her while she's parked there.
And she's like, are you kidding me?
So she gets out, turns on her camera to chase this guy who's running away.
But then she hears gunshots coming from inside the warehouse so she decides to investigate it where she sees the inciting incident of this movie which is Officer Brown along with the narcotics officers Execute informant drug dealers unarmed kids who were like basically pleading for their lives saying they wouldn't tell anyone what was going on and And, uh, the bad narc guys, uh, killing them anyway.
And then, yeah, saying like, I know you won't talk because you're dead and I just killed you.
And the guy was like, you forgot about ghosts!
The, like, naivety of the lead character or whatever is, now that you mention it, when she's like, oh, you're on your cell phone, you know what I mean, or like, calm down, no one needs to do this, or even in this scene, right, where she's like, how could they, is, like, staggering.
Like, I didn't realize until this moment just, like, how stupid the main character actually is.
She's just so optimistic.
I mean her whole life is like this like bullshit like sad like optimism She's like, you know, and it's true.
I mean that the military does pray this prey on the hood, you know, they do like Claim to give opportunities that aren't really I'm you know, they're handing Camaro's out, you know And uh, like she goes for that.
So that is her life.
She is like, oh no I'm doing the right thing people do the right thing.
Everyone does the right thing and then um yeah for some reason goes back to like
The hood that she grew up in that she had to get out of to like police it to try to help it which is really weird and like sadly optimistic because if it's not optimistic it's just straight predatory right yeah but this character this character is supposed to be like not that this character is supposed to be a good person so it's her whole thing is like really sad like naivete it's really it's really a it's really a bummer cops shouldn't be so naive that should be part of the job
Well, what we learn in this movie is that policing is equal to community organizing.
It's the exact same thing.
And it was really interesting because like they're clearly at like, you know, pretty much like the factory from RoboCop where Murphy gets shot up.
And the partner's just like, don't fucking come in here because I'm a crooked cop.
And then the shots start going off and she's like, Huh, might as well just kind of wander over there, see what's up, and then clearly watch as an execution.
And then it's just like, I'm taking you boys in.
I've had enough of this corruption.
I loved it.
Yeah, she steps out and she's like, get your damn hands off that gun.
And then they just all shoot her.
Looks like you just broke the rules.
And then also she like turns on her body cam, but she like doesn't call for backup.
Yeah.
Multiple shots fired, officers in there, I don't need backup.
And I feel like there's some weird, like, you know, I don't think this movie was written by a cop either.
I'm not a cop expert, but like this rookie is like seemingly terrified, like calling in this code that I think we're led to believe like there are crooked cops and they're doing like hitman stuff.
And then another cop's just like, oh, uh, don't worry about it.
And then the operator's like, well, okay, I see your point, bye.
Yeah, she says, like, we have a 108 or something, and then, yeah, I guess that's supposed to mean, like, crooked cop, that's the code for crooked cop.
And the other cop, like you said, gets on and he's like, actually, dispatch, let me take care of this.
And she's like, got it, bye, click.
She's like, I don't know what she's talking about.
So, uh, doo-doo-doo, yeah, she's banging on doors, trying to get in, you know, she's still in, like, like, low-income area, you know, nobody wants to help her, uh, because she's not one of them, right?
She's one of the others.
Um, she plays for the other team.
And she's banging on doors, help, help, um, you know, you're not supposed to do that, you're supposed to yell, fire.
And that's when people will actually, you're supposed to yell, I'm on fire!
You're supposed to bang on people's doors.
Yeah.
With a bunch of doors.
With a bunch of doors she bangs on, aren't there, like, no answers at all?
Like, it's not even people answering.
It's just no response.
Looking through windows.
People looking through windows.
Right, yeah.
And then the one lady's on the porch, but then she's cut off by, like, the young man that's with her, who's like, no, you gotta take this shit elsewhere.
You gotta go.
Nuh-uh.
We don't need that in here.
He was like, where's the warrant at?
And also, their, like, door was just a frame.
Did you see that?
It was like a screen door with no screen in it.
It's funny because she's banging on people's doors and like, you know, the whole thing is like, oh, they think she's a cop trying to get into their house or whatever, you know, and they're suspicious of cops, so they're not going to let her in.
And she just doesn't have any chance to explain herself or whatever, but she does explain herself to that, the, the older woman and her son or whatever.
And they're like, Oh, crooked cops are after you?
Oh yeah, sure.
I'll let you into my house.
Get the fuck out of here.
What are you talking about?
Like it's, it's even, it's like worse than that.
Like, Oh, you mean even more openly crooked cops are hunting you?
Oh yeah, sure.
I'll let you in my house.
Um, if you had a family and this happened to you, I mean, would you ever say you're going to insert yourself into a situation where cops are shooting other cops and now one of those cops is asking to, like, be let into your house?
Like, fuck no.
No.
Yeah, I mean, like, the whole idea of this scene that, like, the community's not helping or it's like, well, no shit.
Like, that's a very realistic thing to have happen.
Like, not invite trouble or guns into your house, right?
Yeah.
Well, if that happened to me, I would be like, no, I'm not blue.
I'm black.
You don't get to come in here.
That's my understanding of the world based on this movie.
Yeah, so she ends up going back to Tyrese, right?
Well, this is like the first time.
She breaks into Tyrese's market, which I guess he either owns or he runs.
It's kind of unclear.
I think he just works there because the other guy who they talk to later, Was not Tyrese.
Right.
And he seemed to have authority.
Yeah, he seemed to be the senior employee there or whatever.
She goes into the back of Tyrese's market.
He hears her.
He triggers the silent alarm, which is just a doorbell, like an aftermarket doorbell, which I don't know, maybe that's real.
It just looked funny.
And he goes to the back to see who's back there and it's it's her right and she asked for help.
He really doesn't want to help her.
She kind of wins him over a little bit but then the cops get there responding.
to the break-in call because what had happened was is the cops that were hunting her through the neighborhood there's some good i i liked the the chase scenes through the neighborhood i thought they were yeah they were well yeah like exciting enough or whatever um other cops have joined in the chase They can't find her.
They lost her.
They get this call to respond to a possible break-in at Tyrese's store.
They, uh, the narcs tell the other cops, hey, you got to go respond to this call because we can't have any other cops in this neighborhood while we're, like, looking around for her.
Which is weird because they're just, like, you would think that they would go to Tyrese's store just to get it out of the way.
Like, handle it as quickly as possible, and then move on and continue the search, but they go there to just, like, swing their dicks around and abuse Tyrese, which is very weird.
Yeah.
I really like the scene in there when she's trying to, like, stop the bleeding by putting pressure on the wound, and he's saying, where did you learn that?
And she's, like, in service, right?
Like, she's just, like, again, setting her up as the hero.
I wrote this down because it's not even when she's like closing the wound with super glue, you know, because she's asked like, how do I stop the, or like, you know, do you have any super glue?
Do you have any stitches or whatever?
And he's like, I don't know.
And she's like, he, he finds a first aid kit and he throws her like a bandage, you know, like a, like a cloth bandage that's in sort of like a nappy sack wrapper or whatever.
And she rips it open with her teeth.
And he goes, where'd you learn to do that?
It's like I was in Afghanistan and Iraq.
We opened all kinds of shit with our teeth.
Real quick, one thing I really need to talk about with the Tyrese thing.
So when Tyrese is being harassed by these cops, and being like abused by these cops, Tyrese is like crying.
Yeah, he starts crying.
It's fucked up.
Tyrese is crying, which is... by the way, it's totally okay to cry in these moments, but I don't think Tyrese's character would cry in this situation.
I think Tyrese's character has been through this a million times, and I don't think he's necessarily crying in this situation.
He's frustrated, he's upset, but I don't think his character is going to cry right there.
He's actually crying with joy because all those years of giving officers free shit has finally paid off when they arrive promptly to his distress call.
He's just very happy that this is something that's happened and he's very happy to have that sort of solidarity.
It's all worth it.
Yeah so he's like, he's like starting to kind of trust Alicia or at least like be on her side now that he's seen the real bad cops.
He's seen Alicia who is trying to do the right thing and then he's contrasting that with just the monstrous cops who come in and basically like threaten to rape him with their gun just because they're responding to a possible break-in.
Um, and he's, you know, she says, uh, you know, I got to meet up with my partner.
Can I use your phone?
He lets her use his phone.
She calls his partner.
Who's like, Hey, I'm getting, I'm getting my sex on.
What do you need here?
You know?
And she's like, she tells him what's going on, where to meet her.
And so a funny part to me, at least was, uh, Tyrese is like, you know, you, you can't go out there looking like in your uniform here, wear this.
And he throws her a hoodie so that she won't get shot by the cops.
I guess.
I'm just like, come on.
Come on.
Yep.
Is that an intentional joke?
Because that's the only way I read that.
Yeah, I don't think we can even give her that kind of credit.
I don't think they're that thoughtful.
No, I don't think so either.
She goes to meet her part?
It's actually foreshadowing to when we're going to meet Luke Cage.
She goes to meet her partner.
She's really panicked.
I mean, she's doing a pretty good job throughout this movie as an actress.
She meets her partner.
She's kind of like telling him what's going on and he's like, yeah, that sucks.
And she's like, he's like, what are you going to do?
And she's like, I got to I got to get this footage uploaded.
Like that's the only way to.
Save her life, basically, is to prove that these cops are crooked.
She needs to get this body cam footage back to a precinct, upload it, and then after that, like, it'll automatically trigger an internal affairs investigation, and then they will be saved, or whatever.
Which is a joke.
And the guy, her partner, is like, well, you can't turn it in, you'll be a rat!
It's just it's funny how casually so he's all yeah sure like let him get fired let the let the chief fire him but let's keep it hush-hush you know what I mean?
Yeah.
And she's just like oh that sucks you know and she's like realizing that he's also like a shitty cop and then he's also given away that he knows too much by actually naming which cops she has footage of he's like you know like what what is the guy's name Malone or something?
Yeah, Malone, yeah.
He's like, let the chief fire Malone, you know, don't submit the footage or whatever.
And she's like, I never said the name Malone.
How did you know?
And then she's on the run again, right?
She handcuffs her partner to the cop and then she's on the run again and she runs to Tyrese's apartment because he's told her where he lives, which is Kingston Manor.
Or is it somewhere else?
I think it's kind of close, I think.
I think it's right there.
Yeah, I think it's somewhere else.
She runs to his apartment.
She finds his apartment.
She meets him when he's coming inside.
But also, the kid who was skateboarding out front of the market is Tyrese's next door neighbor.
The kid sees that she is petitioning Tyrese for help.
Tyrese tells the kid, go back inside or whatever.
And he lets Alicia come inside his apartment against his better judgment.
Yeah.
I like this film's idea that there are just no computer stores in New Orleans.
You know what I mean?
Like, just, you know what the cloud is.
If this is like the mission of the movie, just go to, you know, I don't know what American computer, go to Best Buy and, like, plug in your memory card.
Right?
Like... But you need that special reader.
Yeah, the artificial MacGuffin.
Yeah.
I kind of agree with that because, like, it's a similar setup with the way these body cams work.
They all slot into, like, a holder slash reader at the precinct.
And, like, you know, not to flex here, but I do work for UPS, right?
And so I have a scanner that I carry with me every day, and we have the same sort of slot system at work, and that's what uploads the information to the scanner for what I'm going to be delivering that day.
And there's no way I could take that scanner to Best Buy and be like... It's all proprietary?
There's no USB port on the scanner or whatever.
That's fucking wild, because some company is making billions off of just having a 3-pin connector instead of a 4-pin connector for the same memory card.
I didn't know that.
That's insane.
Yeah.
No, somebody owns an island because they make the UPS scanners.
That island was Little St.
James.
Yeah, uh, so, she goes back to Tyrese, she's talking to Tyrese, and, uh, Tyrese finds out that, you know, like, what actually happened, and the person that Malone, the crooked narc, executed was somebody named Zero.
Which is, like, something that Alicia remembers offhand, that that was the kid's name.
I don't even remember hearing that, but she's like, yeah, it was some innocent kid named Zero or whatever.
And Tyrese has one of the best lines of the movie.
You want to deliver this one, Evan?
I think this was your favorite.
Quote, this shit just went up a level.
I love it so much.
Like, it's a great trailer line, but Tyrese delivers it perfectly.
Like, you know, it's like he was waiting for this every day of his life, right?
He was just like, you know, taking care of the store, like, oh, you know, another fucking day of my boss giving me shit.
And then finally, you know, the crooked cop stuff comes to his door and he's like, this shit just went up a level.
I'm ready.
Like, let's go on an incredible movie adventure.
The first draft was, this shit just got real.
And they were like, no, it couldn't be better than that.
This shit just went up a level.
And then Alicia, he says that, this shit just went up a level.
And then Alicia's whole body starts glowing gold.
There's like music.
And then she gains two more skill points to use, which I think one of them is like fast healing.
And the other one is like fast talk.
I think something that I've been really noticing quite a bit is I'm watching a lot of early 2000s HBO shows, and the way that they write black characters is just so painfully obvious that it's only white writers in the room.
I'm thinking of there's a very seminal episode of Sex and the City from season one where Samantha is dating a black chef whose sister doesn't want him to date a white woman.
And at one point there is a fight that breaks out between them and the man just yells, keep it real, keep it real.
No, that's a thing.
We do that.
Those are all soundbites from Thanksgiving.
So we cut back to the crooked cops having to deal with the aftermath of this crime scene where they've executed two informants.
But Malone is like, let me handle this, let me take care of it, let me keep it under wraps because they've said that Alicia is the one who has killed Zero.
They said that she's the one who's executed these drug dealers because she got trigger happy.
She got spooked as a rookie cop and killed them.
That's their story that they're going with.
And so, which they do this thing, which I don't know is, is like normal police procedure, but they invite the next of kin to zero to like, I dunno, survey the crime scene and look at the body of his, uh, of his nephew.
I was going to say, is that how they do that?
Because that was really weird.
I don't think they do that.
How is nobody suspect of that?
And just real quick, just touching on the captain, I do think that the captain was cast to be this wholesome looking older black woman who in movies, that's like wisdom and there's going to be some truth there.
You know and like so I and also it's not only just uh that's not just like two women in the forest it's two black women in the forest so she's gonna hopefully have her back a little bit so I think that was very on purpose to be like okay cool this is probably our way out.
It is like if you're a crooked cop who killed a guy it is like a power move that I could totally see a cop doing just like inviting their nephew uh their uncle to the crime scene being like look at your dead look at your dead nephew just look at him Yeah, this whole scene, I mean, like, the movie does a pretty good job of, like, showing how this crooked cop is thinking on his feet and, like, navigating this insane plot twist, these insane plot developments.
And yeah, he invites Darius, who is, like, the leader of the Kingston gang.
What are they called?
They're just called the Kingstons or something?
The Sean Kingstons, yes.
Darius is the leader.
Zero was his nephew.
This is why it's such a big deal.
This is why this shit just went up a level.
Darius enters the movie and is played by Luke Cage.
I'm sorry I don't remember the actor's name.
I loved him in Luke Cage.
And it's just, it's so funny to see him in this role.
He steps out of, uh, steps out of his escalade wearing sunglasses at night, a giant fur coat and a grill.
And it's like, he's still just so much Luke Cage, but he's just wearing all these, like, I don't know, borderline comical props.
Yeah, bad boy accoutrement.
He's just dressed like Diddy.
That is 100% his aesthetic, which is, again, very telling that no one in this film knows anything about what they're making.
I love Mike Colter.
I loved his look in this movie and like I love like just like the evil music that plays like whenever like someone who like is even affiliated with like drug dealing or something it's just like bum bum bum like he's just like a normal guy who's like you know maybe he loves crime and drugs and that's fine um but yeah he doesn't like change his acting very much from Luke Cage like it's just like you know I'm hanging out and maybe we'll commit some crimes along the way.
He drops a lot of Gs.
He adopts some slang that you wouldn't have heard Luke Cage say, but that's pretty much it.
I don't know if you guys went over this already, but that whole character, I was reading about it, that whole character is actually an homage to M'Baku from Black Panther.
Wow.
You know, who is kind of a bad guy, but also kind of a righteous guy.
That's where the jacket comes from.
That's where the growling comes from.
That's where the growling comes from.
The grill is an homage to that too.
The ice as where they lived in the Elevation.
Yeah, so that character is just an homage to M'Baku.
Dude, I loved Evil Luke Cage.
I loved Evil Luke Cage so much because yeah, like there's a point where he's torturing Tyreese and he's just like growling into the camera.
It's so funny.
He's just like, I get to do some pain.
Yeah it sounded almost like Leatherface.
It was it's so good and he's just so adorable like it's so hard to take him seriously as like because his face is just so sweet he's got just like the sweetest happiest face and to see him do this role I mean he didn't do a bad job with it he did a competent job with it but it was just very fun.
Yeah so he gets brought to the crime scene he's like oh no look what they did to my nephew my sweet nephew and uh the cop is like yeah I'm gonna tell you exactly who did this and get this it wasn't me all right it was this other cop right and he gives the info on Alicia
And there's another funny power move, like you said, it's funny to have him come look over his dead nephew or whatever, where Darius goes to touch his nephew's face and Malone is like, don't touch him!
No, no, don't touch him.
And then Darius says, can I at least close his eyes?
Yeah!
And the cop's like, nope, no touching.
What is that?
It's just meant to, like, make Darius even more mad.
Like, he's just like, oh!
I didn't even get to close his eyes!
If I could've touched him, I'd be slightly less homicidal right now.
The one thing I will say about Mike Colter, though, is he's the only actor in this entire movie who knows exactly what kind of movie he's in.
Totally.
Like, he's just milking every scene for his worth.
Like, he knows it's a paycheck and he's just enjoying the hell out of it.
Yeah, I loved him in this.
Darius puts out like an APB on all the burner phones that Alicia's the cop who killed Zero, right?
And I guess the other nephew or that kid who's in the neighboring apartment to Tyrese sees this message and realizes that Zero's killer supposedly is right next door.
Um, we go back to Alicia and Tyrese and Tyrese is like, why did you become a cop?
You know, basically.
And her explanation is so bizarre.
She says, well, so I was deployed overseas.
I was in the army or whatever.
And eventually, you know, I just stopped seeing enemies.
I stopped seeing allies.
I just started seeing people, not good or bad, just people trying to make it.
I was like, so you became a cop?
You stopped seeing bad people, so you became the person who punishes the non-bad people?
What are you talking about?
Well, that's the moral of the movie, you know?
At the end, she's like, you know, I stopped seeing black, stopped seeing blue.
Started seeing red.
Yeah.
I just saw people trying to make it and realized, hey, somebody has to stop this.
Somebody has to make this way harder for everyone.
Yeah.
Also, like, how fucked was her deployment when it was really not clear who was on her side and who wasn't?
Like, what the fuck?
She's like, I went overseas, I fought in Afghanistan or Iraq for two years, and it really just helped clear my head.
I came back with a new look on life.
I came back with a much more, like, sensible and non-judgmental perspective on people.
It's like, what?
I just really, like, zenned out when I was there, you know?
Did a lot of meditation, a lot of self-care, yoga.
Yeah, she, like, going to Afghanistan is essentially downloading a mindfulness app.
But the title of the movie, Black and Blue, it's actually kind of a nice allusion to the fact that she was in Blackwater in Afghanistan.
She actually committed a number of war crimes.
And now she's really sad about it, and that's where the blues come in.
Yeah, you know, the Korengal Valley yoga retreat.
No, it really reads like she took a gap year before becoming a cop, you know?
She's like, I needed to have some fun over in the Middle East.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so the kid comes in, the kid from next door comes in and tries to assassinate her, basically, but she gets the drop on him.
You know, she was asleep, but she hears him, pulls her gun out.
There's like a standoff between them.
Tyrese comes in, he grabs the gun from the kid.
He's like, oh, this gun isn't even loaded, you idiot.
How are you going to kill a cop like that?
That scene should have carried so much more weight.
Because it's a point where it's literally like a child and both pistols drawn with a cop.
That scene should have been so much heavier and for some reason it just wasn't.
Well, you never thought that she was gonna do anything because she's the good cop.
She's the good, like, restrained cop or whatever.
She would never kill a kid even if he's pointing a gun at her face or whatever.
Um, yeah, so she finds out, she discovers that now Darius and all the Kingston crew think that she's the one who killed Zero.
They're, you know, she's been framed.
So now she's got the cops and the gangs looking for her, which is like kind of the premise of the movie.
It's, it's a pretty fun premise.
You know, she's like assaulted on all sides by this.
She has to leave.
They encounter some of the Kingston, Kingston dudes who like shoot at her.
She takes them out.
And then Tyrese has to take one of them out.
As well.
But Tyrese gets shot in the process so he's like, go on without me.
Go to that church.
There's a priest there who he'll take care of you and he'll get you out of here or whatever.
Can you still claim sanctuary these days?
Only in John Wick.
In John Wick and Daredevil, I think those are the two franchises where you can go to churches and then the bad guys are like, we gotta respect it.
I'm gonna go to the Basilica where Wayne Gretzky got married and claimed sanctuary there.
That's the thing though, is that in New Orleans, there's no Catholics in all those series.
Those are all Catholics doing it.
I think we know that police would honor the sanctuary rules, but these are crooked cops, okay?
So they wouldn't honor that code.
And then all of a sudden she can climb fences out of nowhere, like I said, because earlier those forefront ones were just, she could not get through those gates.
But now she can hop a fence.
She got that fast healing perk from the level up.
Yeah, she leveled up.
They also, that's when the cops realized, they're like, how did she get away?
And they're like, what?
You didn't tell me she joined the military when she was 17 and did two tours.
You didn't tell me we were dealing with the hero here.
Are you telling me that we're taking on a pro gamer?
They take Tyrese back to the Kingston apartments and Darius Luke Cage is like just giving him kidney punch after kidney punch while he's chained up to the ceiling and he's like talk talk or whatever tell us where she is Missy who is I think the cousin of Tyrese?
Is she related to Tyrese?
I think so, yeah.
Missy, the mother from the beginning of the movie, she's like, let me talk to him.
Let me, like, talk some sense into him or whatever.
She goes up to Tyrese and she says, listen, like, this cop, she ain't one of us.
She picked her side.
And when she says one of us, she doesn't mean like part of the gang or anything.
She means one of us like a black.
Like she's not a black person anymore.
She's a cop now.
Yeah, she's now cop.
It's so weird.
In the character creator, Naomi Harris chose cop instead of black person.
So they don't actually like have the same quest lines anymore.
And one thing about this movie that I think is interesting, much like the scene when everyone in town gets the same text saying that this cop needs to get killed, every black person in this movie knows each other or is related to each other.
And it's just like, you know, it's just one of those interesting things.
No, that's called community.
Like I said, this actually went out on the Nextdoor app.
Or it was in the rant room Facebook page for their community.
Yeah, but this whole movie has a way of like, like I kind of said earlier, it has a way of framing like the entire black race as just a rival team, like a rival sports team, you know, in opposition to the cops.
And it's, it's just a way of like, Trying to show how, oh, anti-police bias is as stupid as, like, jingoism.
You know, it's as ridiculous as, like, hating the opposing team, the visiting team at your stadium.
And it ignores all the actual, like, Race relations, class relations, the institutional racism over, you know, hundreds of years to just be like, oh, these are people who like, you know, can't get over the colors on their T-shirt.
I also like how they act like there's just an option.
You can, I can, I could just go check a box and I'm like, cool, not black anymore.
Well, yeah, no.
No more repercussions of that.
She didn't switch sides.
She got traded to the Blues for, you know, a second round draft pick and Colin Kaepernick, right?
Like, that's really what happened.
I think they've got a chance at the playoffs this year now.
And yeah, like, even why these police forces get created in the first place, like, we live in Canada.
Um, so the Northwest Mounted Police, the precursor to the RCMP, was created to have, like, a Canadian military presence on the prairies in order to take away indigenous land.
So, like, you know, it's, you know, there's very clear, like, you know class reasons colonial reasons like why these police forces exist in the way they do but i'm glad that this movie um kind of leaves us in a place of like if we have a diverse police force of people who care about the communities they're in then you know problem solved i don't think there's going to be any issues from here on out um and it's it would be interesting
if there were a conversation that like two black police officers had with each other where it was like yeah you might be blue but there's still like anti-black racism within the police force you know you like Yeah.
Because that's something that's pretty widely reported on.
You know, black police officers coming out and saying they experienced anti-black racism despite being a blue.
You know what I mean?
Because it would undermine this whole, like, because the goal of the movie is to undermine this idea that you're either black or blue.
Right?
You have to pick a team.
You have to pick a side or whatever.
Well, what would be better to undermine that idea than even if Then, even though you are a blue, you still can't escape your blackness.
Or whatever.
Yeah.
But that's not- the movie never does that.
The black cops in the movie reinforce the idea that you're not black anymore.
Yeah, it does the opposite.
It does imply that once you join the police force, your blackness is no longer held against you.
The captain is a black woman.
There's several examples of black higher-ups in there, so there's no implication that it is an issue within the police force.
They go against it, even.
And in general, what this film is really advocating for is a softer way to police communities of color, right?
I don't know if you've seen the Philadelphia DA and how when he was elected he brought in a bunch of reforms around community policing and stuff like that, right?
It's like, all you're really advocating for is really just a softer way to incriminate people and encroach on communities that you have no right encroaching on, right?
That's what this film is like.
So it's at this point that we get almost the same exact ending as Training Day, right?
There's been a lot of parallels with Training Day throughout this movie.
Fuck you, abolish it, right? - Yeah, just like body cams will solve all the problems. - So it's at this point that we get almost the same exact ending as Training Day, right?
There's been a lot of parallels with Training Day throughout this movie.
You know, a rookie wide-eyed idealistic cop goes on the beat with somebody who's like crooked or been around the block, you know, and they're experiencing the corruption to do with the police force, Well, this is like the most overt reference because Alicia decides she's got nowhere else to go.
She's being hunted.
Darius took Tyrese back to the Kingston apartments, so she decides to walk into the lion's den and she enters the Kingston projects alone.
and it's a very like walk of shame moment right she's walking down the center of this u-shaped uh building and she removes her hoodie revealing her police uniform and it's like she's stripping naked there's this sense of shame there's this sense of fear her head is down and she's removing Her last bit of armor, right?
She's completely vulnerable and it reinforces the idea that the blue uniform is now her new skin.
She's like, this is who I am.
I'm revealing myself in the hopes of mercy.
For reference, it's essentially what any officer would experience walking into a Starbucks today.
Constantly under threat.
You might not be served.
It's dangerous.
Yeah, so people are like mad at her because they know who she is.
They're like, hey, it's it's that cop that it's that cop what killed Zero.
And they're mad at her and they're yelling and they're throwing things and somebody yells like, yo, get your ass out of here.
It was like, I know they don't like her, but I think the point is to like, get her, right?
Like, it's not to like, get her out of here.
It's like, oh, grab her.
There she is.
But it's like the writing is just so bad in this movie.
They're like, okay, we need these people not to like her.
So they're going to be yelling like, get lost!
We don't, we don't want you around here anymore.
I think one of my favorite moments in that scene, I think it was this scene, was there was just like a guy driving by on his bike in slow motion and like took a photo of her and was just like glaring at her.
I love that scene.
That shot was so great.
That shot was so great.
He's doing like the Birdman hand rub together while he's riding his bike.
Everyone's recording.
Everyone's filming this.
So, uh, do-do-do.
Yeah, they get her back into the apartment.
They bring her up to Darius, and this is where Darius, like, gets even more evil.
He just attacks her like a bear, you know?
He starts, like, mauling her, basically.
And it's really fun, you know, and he throws her in the bathtub and he's about to kill her.
And this is, again, kind of another reference to Training Day.
Ethan Hawke winds up in a bathtub at some point in that movie.
And she's like, no, I have proof that it was Malone.
Like, you're being used.
You're being set up.
And his character's like, hmm?
And he like has to think about it for like 10 seconds to realize like, you know, what?
Oh, maybe those crooked cops were lying to me or whatever.
And she's like, I got proof.
It's on my body cam, but I've stashed the body cam somewhere, which we did see her do that, which is probably a good idea, I guess.
And she's like, you show me Tyrese and I'll tell you where the body cam is.
And this whole time, Missy's like, no, you can't trust her.
Just kill her.
I love Missy in this movie because both her and another actress who appears for two seconds poking her head out of a window are both Black Lightning's daughters on the CW show, which I've really been enjoying recently.
She's great in that and pretty good in this too.
You know, of all the people in this movie, Missy is most equipped to survive the revolution.
I'm just gonna say that right now.
Yeah, yeah.
They have the body camera, but they can't look at it because it is proprietary technology owned by Texas Instruments, and so...
Darius goes up to his like nerd nephew and he's like, he's like, hey, you play video games all day, make this shit play.
And he like throws the body camera at him and he's like, yeah, I think I can hack into it.
And so there's, there's like this whole subplot of him trying to hack into the body cam and he like can't do it.
And it's so funny because Darius has like a gun pointed at Alicia and he's like, got, got one eye on the hacking that's going on and one eye on his gun, you know?
The nephew is like, oh, I don't think I can do it.
And I don't think I can get into the video.
And so Darius like pulls the trigger halfway.
And then the hacker's like, oh, no, wait, I think I got in.
And so he releases on the trigger.
Like it's this very weird tension that doesn't have to exist.
And eventually he gets in and he's able to play the video.
Well, he gets in and it opens up right to the moment of the murder.
Well, it opens up on Zero's voice, like he hears Darius, like his ears perk up because he hears Zero's voice.
It's so funny.
Yeah, it was like Resume from Last Played.
But yeah, I mean, change management's really difficult in any sort of organization, and I think Darius is kind of experiencing Um, those troubles because he's trying to, you know, push his staff, uh, you know, to where he wants them to be, you know, transitioning that one employee from gamer to expert, uh, police hacker.
Yeah, it's kind of a lateral move though, if you think about it.
Yeah, you gotta make tough choices.
Uh, yeah, so he sees that, uh, the crooked cop actually lied to him.
Oh my God.
And, uh, that, you know, she was telling the truth.
He lets Tyrese down.
He's like, all right, you guys are good.
I, Tyrese is going to be pissing blood for the rest of his life.
Uh, but you know, you've earned the respect of Darius.
Also, he wasn't crying during that moment.
Dude, it was body blows by the giant Luke Cage for like an hour.
Just kidney shots.
Incredible.
Yeah, so this all culminates in like a firefight in Darius's apartment.
Uh, and eventually, like, a fist fight between Darius and Malone, the crooked cop.
Um, and we get one of my favorite lines, uh, in the film, which is they're, like, struggling, and Malone somehow has the upper hand over Darius.
He has a shield.
He has like the riot shield or whatever and they're kind of fighting over it and Darius is trying to control Malone's gun at the same time.
And Malone says, where's the body cam?
And Darius says, IT'S.
UP.
MY.
ASS.
And then he gets shot.
And it's such an 80s line.
It's such a Schwarzenegger line.
This could be a line in Commando.
I fucking love it.
What's wild, though, is that he didn't believe him at all.
He doesn't, like, proceed to check his ass.
The only note I made about the movie was on this scene, which is this idea that, yeah, the crooked cops have to get their comeuppance, but so does the drug dealer, you know what I mean?
It's like, you couldn't go to the movie without letting the drug dealer live.
No, he's a drug dealer, so he also has to die, right?
Yeah.
Well, I was surprised Tyreese didn't die.
Like, I thought Tyreese was gonna die back when she was looking for Sanctuary.
Yeah.
No, you can't kill the only good black man in all of New Orleans, you know what I mean?
Yeah, totally.
And then, so the plan is now, Tyrese has this plan to get the body cam out of the projects.
And he's like, they're looking for a female cop, right?
And I'm like, oh my god, where is this going?
I cannot wait to see where this is going.
And I thought he was going to shave her head and turn it into a mustache or something.
Like a Mrs. Doubtfire moment?
Um, but no, he says, I'll wear your vest and I'll take the body cam out.
I'll pretend to be a cop and I'll take the body cam back to the precinct and upload the footage.
And this is like such an insane idea.
It's such an awful idea, but you know, I love it.
I love that idea.
I do like when he goes, well, I won't know what to do.
And she goes, it's okay.
And then apparently she educates him on how to upload the footage right there.
Oh yeah, cause he goes, I don't know shit about computers.
I love that aspect of his character where he's just like technologically illiterate.
Like for some reason, like he's just like, you know what?
If you're trying to call me, don't bother.
If you're asking me to Google something, I won't do it.
But like, granted, this is like a very specialized process.
He needs like login credentials and like probably some access codes to the police department.
This feels like a really difficult plan.
He's gotta find the right slot for the body cam.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's funny.
I like his character in this because he is very humble.
Like he seems like a real person.
You know, he seems like a normal ass person who's like not really sure of what he should do or he's not sure how to handle like internal police protocols or whatever.
But he still has this idea like, oh, I'll just, I'll pretend to be a cop.
I'll get a cop car somehow.
I'll drive back to the station, go into the station, find this dispatch room and yeah, log into the terminal, access the crypt key and do all this stuff.
They do this plan and he leaves the compound and it's like, you know, cops are like arresting everybody there and escorting them out.
Other cops are leaving and he's just got the bulletproof vest on and the body cam and he walks out and one of the people- And a jacket.
No jacket.
One of the, one of the cops who's like regulating who's monitoring who's coming out is her old partner.
Yeah.
And he recognizes Tyrese and looks at him and then lets him go by.
And this was like, it reminded me so much, like it's, it's so funny because it reminded me of something like much more, I don't know, serious and dramatic.
Like it reminded me of like a Holocaust movie Or, I'm trying to remember specifically what movie it reminds me of where somebody is getting out of somewhere that they shouldn't be actually able to leave, and because of the mercy of one person not turning them in, they're allowed to leave.
Sound of music.
It might be The Pianist.
That's a scene that happens in The Pianist.
I've never seen The Pianist, but I'm sure that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah, at first they came for the good cops and I said nothing.
Because I was not a good cop.
The best part- This whole movie is kind of like doing a song and dance routine to pretend like the police industrial complex isn't as bad as it actually is.
Totally.
Yeah.
This whole movie is the main character of the pianist, like, or, no, I'm thinking of, what's the other one?
The joke?
What's that one?
Laughter is the best medicine?
What's that one?
Life is Beautiful?
With like Robin Williams or something?
Yeah, Hatch Out.
Life is Beautiful.
Jacob the Liar?
No, that's a deep cut.
I was thinking of Life is Beautiful.
With the kid and the dad?
Yeah.
Yeah, this movie is like Antonio Berrutucci or whatever pretending that there isn't like a modern-day race war going on between the cops and the rest of us.
So the best part about this scene though is that at this point, you know, Tyrese is a cop, so it would have not been weird at all if that cop was like, hey man, what's going on?
Like, hey, can I help you?
Yeah.
Cause he's clearly like, oh, you're up to something.
You're like, I need to help you do something.
But it's like, how about, can I actually help you?
Well, he's still a coward at this point.
He still hasn't decided whether or not which, which side he's on because he's told them, he's told the crooked cops, like the crooked cops are like, she can't leave here alive.
And he's like, listen, I'll help you kill her, but I am not going to kill her.
Yeah.
Yeah, he says exactly that almost.
Yeah, it's like that scene in Dark Knight Rises where there's that police captain when Gordon's like, you gotta fight Bane!
And he's like, no, I'd rather not.
And then at the end of the movie, he shows up in his dress blues and then just gets shot.
It's like, there's a whole cop relearning why they became cops cinematic universe.
And I really respect that.
Um, we're almost to the end of this movie.
Uh, Darius ends up, or no, Tyrese ends up stealing the Crooked Cop's, like, badass, uh, you know, what are those called?
Muscle cars?
Yeah.
Takes it back, because he can't get into an actual cop car because no shit.
They don't just leave those things running.
You know?
And so he goes back to the police precinct, and then there's kind of like a one-on-one scene between Malone and Alicia, and we get a bad cop monologue from Malone.
This monologue is amazing.
He says, this district died after Katrina.
The politicians screwed us.
Like, he was just doing what he had to do to get by.
Yeah, he was talking about how FEMA abandoned us, and it's like, oh, you left all these rats on a sinking ship, and it's like a little bit of, maybe some racism in there, who knows?
You remember that famous quote, you know, George Bush doesn't care about blue people?
Yeah, yep.
She ends up tackling him out of the building, right?
She tackles him off the balcony and into the courtyard of this apartment complex, And she's got the drop on him, but then all the other cops show up and, uh, you know, put their sights on her.
They literally have, like, laser sights on her, which is very funny because she's got her gun pointed at a cop.
The whole point was to, like, get her and apprehend her, this, this, you know, wanted killer.
She's got her gun on a cop and they're just like, put the gun down.
Put the gun down.
And it's, you know, something that would never happen.
And so as this is happening, Tyrese is, like, uploading the footage, but then that cop who, like, hassled him, who abused him in the market has, like, spotted what he's doing, right?
And so he comes in there and he's like, what the fuck are you doing in here?
I know I recognized you.
I knew I smelled trash when I walked by this room, you know?
Tyrese is just buying time until the video actually does upload and then Tyrese gets the upper hand, puts the gun to his head and kind of repeats the same lines that the cop said to him.
I could just kill you and nobody would care or whatever.
And then he just pistol whips him.
And then the footage is uploaded.
That was cool.
The pistol whip was cool.
Agreed.
The footage is uploaded and then, like, an AIM notification gets sent to the police chief that there's corruption in the video footage.
The entire climax of the movie hinges on this police captain's computer not being muted.
Because she's walking out of the office and then she hears the ding and she's like, oh, is that a plot-changing sound I hear?
Also, the police chief, like, going back and checking the email.
I'm already set up for my desk.
I'm not checking the email.
I'm not turning around.
Sorry.
The hero of this film is a culture of overwork.
I'm reassured that the body cam footage is automatically scanned for bad cops.
There's some sort of algorithm that just scans for bad apples in all this footage and immediately alerts the police chief.
That's when you're doing the CAPTCHA, where you have to click on the different images.
It's like, click on all the images of bad cops you're teaching the algorithm.
I am not a bad cop.
Um, and so she, she's like, Oh my God, they're bad cops.
And Alicia is the good cop.
And so she sends out a, uh, all points bulletin to stand down.
She literally says, stand down.
Alicia is the good cop.
Right?
Um, and, uh, do, do, do.
Alicia picks up the gun and has it on Malone again.
And she says, uh, you have the right to remain silent.
And he says, I know my rights.
And then she says, oh, so it's just other people's rights you have a problem with.
Roasted.
And then the bad cop, again, reinforcing the theme of this movie, Malone, he says, you picked the wrong side.
What's the point?
And she says, the point is be the change, asshole.
Yeah, amazing.
It's absolutely incredible because it's both, like, this weird, like, comment on, like, polarization.
It's like, we shouldn't have to choose sides, we should be somewhere in the middle, where the truth always is.
And then also ending a movie with, like, a bastardized Gandhi quote.
I love it.
I like to think she learned that Gandhi quote on her tour of duty to the Middle East.
The point is I have a dream, motherfucker!
Malone, you gotta choose between the ballot or the bullet, and I've made my choice.
I also like this idea that the chief of police is, like, so shocked that there could possibly be corruption, like, as if the Chicago PD hasn't, like, been running an entire, like, scheme of basically, like, extortion and, like, abuse for decades.
The other good cops finally show up and they're like, hey, good job, West.
Hey, way to go, Officer West.
Yeah, we're the good cops, West.
Way to go, rookie.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then we get like a weird sort of dreamlike epilogue where there's young black girls on the side of the road in slow motion giving the thumbs up to Officer Alicia West as she drives by.
Yeah.
Race relations normalized.
In New Orleans, of all places, who would have ever imagined?
My awful thought at the end of the film was a Kamala Harris tweet saying every young black girl needs to watch Black and Blue.
Oh my god.
Yep, yep.
If a regular cop watched the ending of this movie, I think they would actually feel a little sick, you know what I mean?
I don't think it would give them a positive feeling to see little black girls giving thumbs up to cops and stuff like that.
Like, they want to perpetuate a culture of fear, not, you know, love.
Like, I was looking at reviews of this movie, and the reviews on Facebook are overwhelmingly positive.
Like, a lot of people really liked this movie.
You know, most of them were pretty, you know, aesthetic, like, aesthetic reviews about how fun they thought the movie was or whatever.
But then, yeah, there's these negative reviews on IMDb that are just like, enough of cops being the bad guys, another anti-white cop movie.
And so it's like, yeah, this movie sucked.
And it really portrayed, like, police and minority communities relationships in a very, like, patronizing and reductive way.
But if it pissed off these people, like, I guess it's the best we can hope for right now in the current climate with, like, a movie of this size, I guess.
Yeah.
There were bad cops on screen, so I guess that's, like, we'll take it.
On Kino Lefter, one of the things we always do is read Armand White reviews of movies.
He's a right-wing black gay film critic for the National Review.
And also a super genius.
The Lex Luthor of the Kino Lefter cinematic universe.
He's also, like, extremely smart.
I think he has a PhD in cinema studies.
Like, his arguments are always interesting, even if they're terrible.
I'm not going to read the whole review, but I just have a paragraph here that I think would be a great place to close on the movie.
Director Dion Taylor and screenwriter Peter A. Dowling borrow black urban grievance as carelessly as a politician.
The film is bracketed by dissolution rap records.
Lecrae's Welcome to America and KRS-One's Sound of Da Police.
Still, it's implausible that after two tours of duty in Kandahar, West would be so naive about American life.
Or do the filmmakers intend to portray modern America as Afghanistan, comma, an irresolvable tribal war, question mark?
Which is like, I actually think that is the metaphor they're going for extremely poorly.
It's like, see, all it takes is for one person to not see black or blue, you know, to cross that line, and we've all fixed it.
She can walk between both worlds.
She's the day walker.
I mean the movie like kind of portrays everybody else as naive and she's the only sensible person like all the like all the the minority community are extremely naive because they only see blue and you know the opposite and she's the one that's like actually seeing nuance and context and there are lines like throughout this where she says a murder is a murder no matter who did it you know because Because the black team is like, why would you care about prosecuting the blue team?
I don't understand, you know?
And she's like, well, right is right, you know?
And they're basically positing that these things are equivalent, right?
Like, hating the police is equivalent to the police over-policing black people.
Both sides just need to get their acts together, you know?
Yeah.
Hey, so Kino Lefter, thanks so much for joining us to do this episode.
Thank you, guys.
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We loved having you guys on.
Yeah, that was super fun episode.
We had a lot of fun tonight having you on.
I also hear tell that you guys just did an episode on Jojo Rabbit, just recorded that shit, and I'm very eager to hear it.
Uh, yes, we did.
That's gonna be our episode dropping, uh, did you?
This week?
This week, Wednesday.
I don't know when this is coming up, but... I'm also gonna just go ahead and say it's one of our best.
Like, it was a fucking fantastic record.
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