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	Welcome to Brighteon Broadcast News for Tuesday, September 9th, 2025.
	I'm Mike Adams.
	Thank you for joining me today.
	Really appreciate you.
	And this is an urgent financial episode.
	And it may or may not include an interview.
	I have a really amazing interview with a top computer scientist and author and analyst.
	I just don't know if I'm going to play that today or not.
	That interview is with a man named Roman Jampolsky.
	And I want to play it today.
	We'll see.
	Hopefully I'll get to it.
	But let me tell you what today is about even before all of that.
	And you've probably noticed that gold has been spiking and silver have been spiking.
	And this isn't just about gold and silver.
	This is about the collapse of the West.
	You probably also saw in the news the French government has now collapsed.
	There is no functioning majority government in France.
	They're going to have to hold emergency elections.
	There was a complete loss of confidence in Macron, who's now facing impeachment.
	There are factions rising up in France.
	Probably will be protests in the streets, maybe riots in the streets.
	And France's financial collapse is threatening to bring down the entire European Union.
	So, oh yeah, things are getting interesting.
	Well, hey, the collapse of Western Europe is exactly as I predicted and as Michael Jan predicted and many of my other guests.
	And the UK is deeply in debt.
	It's facing a financial crisis.
	It will probably have to have an IMF bailout.
	Keir Starmer is on the ropes.
	You know, he doesn't have long left.
	They're going to get him out of there.
	And in order to try to quell the protests in the UK, as you've seen, they're arresting 80-year-old nuns who are holding signs.
	They're arresting blind veterans in wheelchairs and calling them terrorists.
	It's completely insane.
	Germany is suffering an industrial collapse, as we've talked about before.
	But now the dollar is collapsing in record time.
	And here's why.
	Here's what you need to know.
	Of course, I've been talking about this event coming since 2008.
	And you may recall, to really back up the calendar, I publicly called the dot-com crash beginning in 1998 and in 99, warning people that the market was a bubble, that it was going to collapse.
	It was obviously insane.
	You know, the dot-com boom.
	And of course, the dot-com collapse happened and everybody lost their life savings, etc.
	And then fast forward to 2008, subprime mortgage collapse.
	Also, before 2008, you can see me mentioning it in articles on Natural News from 2006 and 2007.
	I said, hey, this housing bubble is going to break.
	And when it does, you know, it's going to be bad.
	A lot of people are going to lose a lot of money.
	And sure enough, a subprime mortgage collapse happened around 2008.
	Bear Stearns, right?
	Who else was involved?
	Bank of America, obviously.
	Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, right?
	Goldman Sachs was involved.
	Bailouts for some, but not for others.
	Bear Stearns is gone.
	Okay, so that was that bailout.
	After 2008, and when I saw that the bailout did not fix the core mistakes, the structural mistakes in the markets, I knew that events were lining up for a much bigger collapse to happen one day.
	Not just in the stock market, but also in the debt market.
	And that's where we are today.
	Now, I'm a little bit shocked that we made it this far.
	But let me explain where we are now, because this is the beginning of the end of the West, of the U.S. Empire, Western Europe.
	It's the beginning of the end of the EU, beginning of the end of NATO, and the end of the dollar.
	Certainly the end of the dollar as the global reserve currency.
	That's already done.
	So here's what's happening.
	And understand this isn't all going to happen on one day.
	This is a gradual process.
	Well, it may seem sudden in terms of history, but day-to-day living through it, it can kind of seem slow.
	But what's happening right now is people all over the world and central banks and investment houses and pension funds, etc., institutional investors, they are shifting from buying treasury debt to buying gold.
	And this is why gold prices are now $3,650 or thereabouts.
	They're about to break through $3,700 an ounce, and it's going to keep going from there, no doubt.
	It'll bounce around here and there.
	But remember, I've been recommending gold aggressively for several years now.
	And if you bought gold, let's say around 2022, early 2022, your gold value has doubled in dollars, which means that dollars have lost 50% of their purchasing power in gold in the last three years.
	Think about that.
	50% loss of purchasing power of dollars.
	And you've also seen that reflected in grocery prices and other forms of inflation.
	Well, anyway, all these investors around the world are saying to themselves, why should we buy treasuries, which are just U.S. government IOUs, you know, just debt commitments from a bankrupt, immoral government that sends bombs to terror states to bomb civilians.
	You know, I mean, it's completely insane.
	Investors all over the world are saying, it would be smarter to just buy gold.
	Just buy gold and vault it.
	I mean, do I want a stack of IOUs from the U.S. Treasury or would I rather have a stack of gold bars?
	Think about it.
	All of you listening, think about it.
	Do you want IOUs from the government that pay crap yields?
	Or do you want bars of gold or coins of gold or whatever that just keeps going up in value month after month after month?
	Which one do you want?
	At the end of the day, when the financial system falls apart, when everybody shifts over to bricks settlement, when the dollar is abandoned and the debt collapses, do you want to be holding IOUs from the U.S. Treasury?
	Or do you want to be sitting on gold coins or silver coins or silver bars?
	And the answer is obvious.
	Everybody with any sense anywhere on the world is saying, I'd rather have gold and silver.
	I don't want IOUs.
	I don't want treasuries.
	And also they're saying, I don't want treasuries from Japan.
	They pay like 3%.
	Are you kidding me?
	I don't want treasuries from Germany.
	They're never going to be able to pay those off.
	I don't want treasuries, in essence, you know, sovereign debt.
	I don't want sovereign debt from France or the UK or Canada or any of these countries.
	And what's happening, what you are living through in real time, is the collapse of fiat currencies.
	And that's going to collapse Western civilization.
	Because Western civilization, as we know it, has been a long-running experiment on debt and delusions and fantasies.
	In fact, the whole transgenderism, wokeism, DEI-ism nonsense.
	Do you realize that that's a cultural phenomenon that emerged out of easy money and money printing and the idea that you could create money from nothing?
	And that then spread into all the areas of culture, thinking that whatever idea I have is real.
	So if you self-identify as a man or a woman or a boy or a girl or a puppy dog, that you think that's real, because the government self-identifies as having money, here's another trillion dollars.
	We self-identify as just printing a trillion dollars here.
	See, it bleeds into everything in society.
	So the insanity of Western culture stems from the delusion of currency printing.
	And that delusion is collapsing in real time.
	That's why gold and silver are skyrocketing, gold at an all-time high and probably just getting started.
	Probably, I would say easily, although don't take this as investment advice, but in my mind, gold is $5,000 by Christmas.
	And maybe I'm wrong.
	I mean, it could bounce around.
	There could be some corrections.
	Maybe there's good news.
	Maybe there's great economic news coming out and that will cause gold to fall.
	Maybe there's peace with Russia.
	Gold would fall.
	Maybe there's peace in the Middle East.
	Gold would fall.
	And I would welcome that, by the way.
	I would much rather have peace than sky-high gold prices.
	I would love to end the wars, but it doesn't look like that's where things are headed, does it?
	It looks like more kinetic violence.
	It looks like more escalation of violence.
	It looks like more risk in the system and uncertainty.
	And when there's uncertainty, nations and banks and businesses and investment houses turn to gold and silver.
	And that's what you're seeing right now.
	So the dollar is being abandoned.
	And there were two key decisions that the United States made that spelled doom for the dollar.
	And I called these out when they happened.
	I told you right here on this podcast.
	I said, that decision, that's going to be the end of the dollar.
	Decision number one was stealing Russia's $300 billion by cutting them off from the SWIFT system and confiscating their assets held in Western currencies, mostly held in European banks.
	There's a few billion dollars held in U.S. banks, but most of it's held in, I think it's Romania, actually.
	Euro clear is one of the clearinghouses that holds a lot of it, one of the financial institutions.
	Okay, so when the United States of America, and this happened under Biden, okay, when the USA stole the money from Russia and cut off Russia from the SWIFT system, the message that was broadcast to the world was very clear.
	That the dollar is no longer neutral, that the infrastructure of global economics is no longer neutral.
	Instead, we're going to weaponize it in the West.
	And if we don't like what you are doing as a nation, we're going to steal all your money and cut you off from the system.
	And that's what they did.
	And then the European leaders keep trying to justify it.
	How do we steal that money?
	How do we just take it and use it?
	So right now they're stealing the interest on the 300 billion, and they're using that interest to give more money to Ukraine.
	So they're using 300 billion stolen from Russia to generate interest to send to Ukraine to fight Russia.
	Now, what do you think the message is to the rest of the world?
	Everybody else in the world watching this is like, wait a second.
	You mean to tell me that if we have deposits in Western banks or Western currencies or treasuries held from Western countries, and then if we do something they don't like, they can just steal all our assets and cut us off?
	Yes, that's exactly what happened.
	And the West has not apologized for that.
	The only way to correct this would be for Trump right now to say to Putin, hey, we apologize.
	Man, did Biden goof up?
	Oh, we should never weaponize Swift.
	From here forward, we affirmed that SWIFT will be neutral.
	It's the plumbing system of international finance.
	You don't need bricks.
	Just use SWIFT.
	We guarantee it's going to be neutral from now on.
	And here's your $300 billion back, Russia.
	Have it back.
	And of course, at that point, Kiera Starmer, his head would explode, which would just be a poof of emptiness.
	I'm pretty sure it would be like a dandelion got hit by the wind or something.
	What came out of your brain?
	Nothing.
	Just like airy seeds or something.
	Same thing with Macron.
	Giant French head explosion.
	The Germans, their heads would explode.
	But that's what would be necessary for Trump to restore faith in the SWIFT system.
	However, there is no chance that Trump is going to do that.
	No chance at all.
	Well, for lots of reasons, not just the pressure from the European leaders, but also domestic pressure from the Warhawks in his own administration.
	So Trump will never do that.
	And so the world has received the message loud and clear.
	And remember, this is just point number one.
	This is the first mistake that the U.S. made that told the entire world, stop trusting in the dollar.
	Stop trusting in Western finance and Western financial infrastructure because you can't trust it and we will weaponize it against you.
	So from that day, many nations began to trade in their domestic currencies, trade between Russia and India, for example.
	Almost all of it now is carried out in their own domestic currencies.
	Same thing with China.
	Same thing with Iran.
	Same thing with Brazil increasingly as well.
	Even with Turkey increasingly.
	So, and that started in 2022.
	So we've had three years of that increasing.
	So that's point number one.
	The whole world realizes you can't trust the dollar.
	What was point number two?
	Point number two just happened under Trump.
	Point number two is Trump's tariff rampage.
	Yes, Trump has gone on a tariff rampage with Mr. Besant, who's also on a tariff rampage.
	And they're punishing our allies, like India, trying to dictate to India who they're allowed to buy energy from.
	Now, India needs energy.
	They need affordable energy.
	Russia is a seller of energy.
	And they're close enough together that they can make that work.
	And China needs energy for all of its AI data centers and factories and everything.
	And that's why they're building the new pipeline from the Yamal gas fields in northwestern Russia that will stretch south-southwest all the way across Mongolia and will deliver gas to northern China, to the industrial hub of northern China right there.
	And that's the power of Siberia 2 pipeline that I talked about the other day.
	Well, when China buys gas from Russia, are they going to buy it in dollars?
	Oh, heck no, not a chance.
	They're going to probably pay for it in gold or something else, something, maybe microchips from China, maybe robots, you know, or maybe rubles or maybe yuan.
	But it's not going to be dollars.
	You can be sure of that.
	It will not be dollars.
	And when India buys energy from Russia, are they paying for it in dollars?
	Nope.
	And there are a thousand examples of this.
	The world is dumping dollars.
	The world no longer needs dollars to trade.
	Even in the Middle East, the oil and energy nations are accepting other currencies like the Saudis and increasingly the UAE, etc.
	They're not limiting it to just dollars.
	So dollar demand globally is plummeting.
	Meanwhile, in the United States, there's trillions of dollars being printed every year, creating fiat counterfeit currency out of nothing, which is destroying the value of the dollars that already exist, obviously.
	So the two mistakes then, in summary, are number one, stealing Russia's $300 billion and cutting off Russia from the SWIFT system, thereby weaponizing Swift and sending a message to the world that you can't trust the Western financial system.
	And then two, weaponizing tariffs against our own allies, like India, Japan, Korea, Canada, the EU, etc.
	And then mistake number three, actually, you could add on a bonus mistake, is that Trump continues massive money printing, printing money by the trillions, which is destroying the value of the dollar at the same time that the world doesn't want to buy dollar debt any longer.
	And that's why recent treasury sales have partially failed.
	They haven't been able to find the buyers they wanted.
	And that's why treasury yields are going to have to rise.
	Now, there's a cover-up game going on right now where the Fed secretly creates hundreds of billions of dollars in order to buy treasury debt at lower yields to pretend like the yields don't need to be over 5%.
	But that's just a short-term cover-up.
	It's like a snake eating its own tail, and that won't last very much longer.
	Now then, Russia has figured out what the U.S. is going to do to try to dump its $37 trillion in debt on the entire world.
	Now, I'm going to play a clip for you here that's very fascinating.
	It's from Putin's advisor, Kobyakov.
	Kobyakov, maybe is how you put it.
	Anton Kobyakov.
	He says that, well, basically, he's confirming what is in chapter three of my recent book called The Financial Big Bang, which you can listen to the whole book completely free.
	Just go to healthranger.com.
	HealthRanger.com.
	You'll see the book right there on the homepage.
	Click on it.
	And then there's five chapters that you can play.
	They're all videos with supporting documentation and links, screenshots, all of it.
	It's all right there.
	And in chapter three of the book, I said that Trump is going to use the Genius Act.
	This is why it was pushed, to create new stable coins that will be marketed to the world, try to get the world to buy into these stable coins.
	And the stablecoin organization will then buy U.S. treasuries.
	And so they'll say our stablecoins are backed by treasuries, which is also crazy because why would you want to buy a coin backed by debt of a bankrupt country that's on the verge of financial collapse, right?
	It makes no sense.
	And that's why I said you can't call them stablecoins.
	You would have to call them unstable coins because they're losing value every day if they're tied to the dollar, right?
	Well, anyway, this is the scheme that probably Besant and Lutnik, Lutnik is probably the chief schemer behind this, is my guess, because of his ties to Tether and everything else.
	and Cantor, Fitzgerald, or all these companies that he's got his fingers in, he knows what's going on.
	But they're going to create a stablecoin system that will probably be tied to Bitcoin in some way.
	And the stablecoins are going to buy up US treasury debt.
	And then the US government is going to leverage the current high value of Bitcoin.
	And they're going to generate enough treasuries to do a stablecoin swap to get $37 trillion worth of stablecoins to basically reset the current debt, like all the debt that is owed by the U.S. government, the U.S. Treasury, $37 trillion.
	They're going to swap that out for stable coins.
	And then they're going to do a rug pull on the crypto world and collapse the value of crypto to maybe 1% of current values.
	And that way they're going to wipe out the debt.
	Basically, they're offloading the debt to everybody else in the world who's buying into crypto or Bitcoin or stable coins.
	It's hard to tell exactly how this is going to play out.
	So don't take this as financial advice, by the way.
	But this is what's shaping up.
	And this Russian guy, he's an advisor to Putin.
	He's figured this out too.
	So I want to play this video for you of what he just said at the Eastern Economic Forum that, and I'll have to read it for you because he's speaking Russian, obviously.
	So I'll read the subtitles or the English captions for you.
	And here's the video.
	Here we go.
	The U.S. is now trying to rewrite the rules of the golden cryptocurrency markets, he says.
	Remember the size of their debt, 35 trillion.
	It's actually 37.
	These two sectors, crypto and gold, are essentially alternatives to the traditional global currency system.
	Washington's actions in this area clearly highlight one of its main goals.
	To urgently address the declining trust in the dollar.
	I'll say.
	As in the 1930s and the 1970s, the U.S. plans to solve its financial problems at the world's expense.
	This time by pushing everyone into the crypto cloud through stablecoins.
	Over time, once part of the U.S. national debt is placed into stablecoins, Washington will devalue that debt.
	Yeah, the rug pull.
	Put simply, they have 35 trillion currency debt.
	They'll move it into the crypto cloud, devalue it, and start from scratch.
	Debt reset.
	That's the reality for those who are so enthusiastic about crypto.
	All right.
	So what this guy is saying is that there's going to be a massive rug pull.
	And the rug pull will be, in effect, how to say this, the mass distribution of U.S. debt onto the shoulders of those who put money into crypto.
	And they're going to see their crypto wiped out, which is really a way to sort of make everybody else share the cost of the $37 trillion in debt.
	And then the U.S. will largely wipe its debt plate clean or slate clean.
	And then the U.S. will no longer have to pay, I don't know, what is it, like $3 trillion a year or something in interest on treasuries.
	And then that is how Trump and Lutnik and Besant plan to give the U.S. Empire more longevity, even though the dollar is collapsing in value, and even though the world is abandoning the dollar for the reasons we've already talked about.
	So I don't know if you believe this.
	I don't know if I believe it.
	But there's a possibility, if this is true, I mean, think how closely Bitcoin is tied to treasuries now through Tether.
	And think about the Genius Act.
	Think about the new stable coins.
	Think about JP Morgan coins that will probably be launched, etc.
	This is all tied to treasury debt.
	This is a way to refinance the debt.
	And then if they can manipulate the crypto market and cause a massive collapse in valuation after they've swapped crypto for dollar debt, then they can basically wipe out the debt with a massive crypto crash.
	And they can probably manipulate the crypto markets like that because, well, the Treasury and the Fed and the big banks own so much crypto that they're the whales.
	So they can drive the market up or down anytime they want.
	And the way to drive it down is to just sell everything, sell, sell, sell.
	And if they sell enough, they know they'll start a domino effect of panic selling by others.
	And eventually it'll come around to Michael Saylor at what's his Bitcoin company, MicroStrategies.
	And that guy, who I think is running the largest Ponzi scheme in history, will end up penniless and maybe, you know, maybe being chased by people with pitchforks or even criminally prosecuted like Bernie Madoff.
	Who knows?
	Now, I've been an advocate of privacy crypto, and I love certain properties about cryptocurrency, decentralization, divisibility, transmissibility, et cetera, speed of transactions, the fact that no government can counterfeit.
	Well, they can't counterfeit the number of coins, but governments can counterfeit treasuries, which can then create stable coins, and those stable coins can buy Bitcoin.
	So effectively, the U.S. government can counterfeit Bitcoin value.
	And I believe that's been happening.
	I think that a lot of Bitcoin's value has been propped up by the government through that mechanism.
	And it could be that this is a giant pump and dump debt, a pump and dump debt reset scam that's being run on everybody right now.
	That's literally how this could be used.
	Now, that's why I prefer gold and silver.
	Again, I have a little bit of Bitcoin.
	I've got a little bit of some privacy coins here and there.
	I'm not accumulating any crypto and I'm not selling any crypto.
	I've never sold it.
	But I'm just sitting on it and watching it go up and down and thinking, at the end of the day, in my mind, what I'm going to have left after this whole global fallout and the collapse of the dollar, the collapse of Western civilization, what I'm going to have left is whatever is in gold and silver and land and things like that.
	And that's probably it.
	So if I had a choice right now, I'd buy gold, not crypto.
	I'd buy gold, not Bitcoin, or I'd buy silver, not crypto.
	And why are metals more trustworthy than crypto?
	Well, because you see, look, the government, when it comes to crypto, the government can crash Bitcoin easily because the government can print unlimited dollars to buy unlimited stable coins effectively or to swap for unlimited stable coins.
	And then that can be used to drive up the price of Bitcoin to whatever level they want.
	And then they can sell all of that off and crash it.
	So they can create an unlimited sales pressure on the crypto market.
	Now, they can't do that with gold because they can't create physical gold to keep selling.
	Because even though you can create stable coins out of nothing and keep selling, you can't create gold out of nothing.
	So there's a very strict limit of how much gold and silver they can sell.
	Now, yes, they've been doing that with paper contracts to try to manipulate the markets.
	And that's how they've kept silver prices artificially low and gold artificially low for many years.
	And banks like JP Morgan have been fined billions of dollars for silver market manipulations, etc.
	But at some point, especially as more and more people demand delivery from the Comex, there's not enough physical silver to fulfill the contracts, you know, the obligation to deliver.
	And that's when, you know, the whole manipulation crashes and burns and silver prices skyrocket because all of a sudden there's almost unlimited demand for physical silver to make good on the contracts so you don't default.
	So in other words, again, to summarize, the government can generate an unlimited quantity of stable coins and buy and sell Bitcoin to manipulate it, but the government cannot create an unlimited quantity of gold and silver nor gold and silver paper contracts because those contracts are tied to physical commodities, you see.
	So there's an actual limit.
	That's why gold is called honest money.
	And that's also why crypto is not digital gold.
	There's a difference in it.
	So crypto can be easily manipulated.
	And I think that Trump and Lutnik, I think they're scheming this up right now to do this giant rug pull or some kind of nefarious scheme.
	I can see it.
	They don't care about the people.
	They care about their own power and making themselves rich with billions of dollars in profits and keeping the dollar viable a few years longer if they can.
	They don't care if they dump this debt on all the people all over the world, even crypto holders outside of the United States.
	See, that way they can push the debt out to all the Bitcoin holders in China or Russia or everywhere else, you know, or Vietnam, wherever they are.
	And there's a lot of crypto holders, Bitcoin and other coins all over the world.
	So it's a way to export the debt and make everybody else pay the price, you see.
	So of course they're going to do that.
	Are you kidding me?
	Why wouldn't they?
	Now, at the same time, as you may recall from my book, The Financial Big Bang, which again is completely free of charge at healthranger.com, they're also going to almost certainly revalue gold at something much higher than the current value, which is $3,600 plus.
	They're probably going to revalue gold, at least according to the experts I interviewed, at maybe $15,000 an ounce or $20,000 or $24,000 or whatever.
	And if you listen to my book, you'll discover that for every, what is it, every $4,000 they add to the price of gold, they generate a trillion dollars of just, you know, basically cash in the general account of the U.S. Treasury.
	So if they value gold at $24,000 an ounce, that generates $6 trillion.
	And I explain all this in the book.
	It's all written.
	You can find these documents on the federalreserve.gov website, and you can find them on the books at the Fed and the Treasury documents in the employee handbooks, all of it.
	I give you all the links.
	And if you haven't heard that book yet, The Financial Big Bang, this is a good time to check it out.
	Because they can create trillions of dollars out of nothing effectively because the U.S. government, or the Treasury in particular, claims to own 261.5 million ounces of gold.
	Now, I think that number is all made up, but that's what's claimed.
	And since it's claimed, they can use that as an asset.
	They just say we have it.
	They don't have to prove it, you know, because it's the government.
	And of course, it's a giant scam.
	But anyway, they'll do a gold revaluation, it looks like, sometime in 2026.
	And when that happens, combined with the world abandoning the dollar, combined with the money printing and all the other things I've talked about here, a couple of things are going to happen.
	Inflation is going to freaking skyrocket.
	If you thought inflation was bad now, oh, you just wait until some of these things really kick in.
	You're going to see food prices double in six months, maybe every six months, or maybe they'll double every four months.
	It's going to get bad.
	It'll be echoes of Weimar Germany.
	Not quite as bad, but a lot of people will be talking about hyperinflation.
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	And by the way, don't get tricked into buying like weird numismatics and overpaying for odd sizes.
	Oh, it was one and a half ounce coins.
	No, that's not normal.
	They should be one ounce, one troy ounce coins.
	Okay.
	You don't do one and a half ounces or weird sizes like that, like weird mints and weird themes.
	And like no one's ever heard of these coins or that mint or that.
	No, don't do that.
	Get trusted coins from the top mints.
	There's about seven of them around the world.
	And that's the only, I only buy coins from these seven mints.
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	No games, no weird numismatics, no oddball stuff, nothing weird, no bait and switch.
	I mean, you just get maximum gold for your dollar.
	And all you're doing is trading dollars for gold at this point, which is good because you're trading currency for money.
	Gold is money.
	Dollars are not.
	Dollars are currency.
	Gold is money.
	In other words, I've heard people say, why should I spend money on gold?
	They've got it backwards.
	You're not spending money on gold.
	The gold is the money.
	You're trading currency, counterfeit currency for money.
	You don't even have any money if you don't have gold and silver.
	You don't have any money at all.
	You have dollars.
	That's counterfeit.
	It's monopoly money.
	It's counterfeit currency.
	You don't have money until you have metals.
	Metals are real money.
	I mean, by definition.
	I'm not going to go into the definition, but only metals fit the definition of actual money.
	Counterfeit currency is not.
	So anyway, the bottom line is when these events happen, especially the gold revaluation, but also the whole stablecoin, debt swap, rug pull, woo, it's going to be a wild time.
	You're going to find a whole new world.
	If it plays out like this, here's what's going to happen.
	In the game of musical chairs, people who put everything in dollars, they're toast.
	They lose everything.
	People who put everything in the stock market, toast.
	People who put everything in treasuries, toast.
	People who put everything into crypto, also toast, if the Trump administration does the rug pull like this.
	People who put money into gold and silver, the new wealthy.
	That's it.
	If you have metals, you're the new wealthy because your metals will go up by multiples, or at least gold will, with a revaluation.
	So, you know, if you bought it at $3,000 an ounce and then it gets revalued at $15,000 an ounce, you just made 5x.
	That is, if you want to sell it for fiat currency, which would probably still be stupid because the fiat currency won't be worth nearly as much because inflation will be far worse.
	You see what I'm saying?
	So guess who's going to get wiped out during all of this?
	People who just have dollars.
	People who don't own gold and silver are going to be wiped out.
	The middle class will be wiped out.
	I see videos online right now on social media of sort of middle-aged women for some reason that are screaming at the camera about how they can't afford the cost of living right now.
	And that's understandable because salaries have not risen anywhere near the pace of the rise of prices.
	And when the government tells us that inflation is only 2.7%, it's an insult to our intelligence.
	We know inflation is not 2.7%.
	We know because we buy food, we buy insurance, we pay for things.
	We know inflation is like 20%.
	Well, a lot of people, middle-aged and younger people, I feel sorry for the youngsters in their 20s coming out of college or whatever, realizing can't afford to live.
	Can barely afford to eat.
	Can't afford to pay back the student loans, especially with your silly degree in liberal woke ideology 101 or whatever.
	No one's hiring for that crap anymore.
	The woke department at your favorite corporation got shut down.
	So there's no woke jobs.
	Get woke, go broke.
	But if you're young in America today, it's very hard to get ahead.
	And it's only going to get far, far worse.
	Now, adding to this, this is like a little bit of a chapter break here, okay?
	But adding to this new chapter, the rise of AI.
	Now, I've done a lot.
	I've taught a lot of podcasts on AI.
	I build AI engines.
	Wait till you see what we have coming out next.
	We've got amazing, awesome stuff.
	I'm working on it every single day.
	I'm not even going to tell you the stories.
	It's way harder than it looks.
	But anyway, just managing the files is harder than it looks.
	Anyway, AI is credibly going to replace anywhere from 50 to 99% of human jobs in the coming decade.
	And it's going to be a gradual thing.
	Many jobs are being replaced right now, but it's only a tiny percentage.
	In the next two years, it's very possible that agentic AI could replace 50% of desk jobs.
	But replacing the labor jobs will take much longer because of robotics and the rare earth metals and the magnets and the actuators and all that stuff, production lines, scalability, all that.
	So that's more like towards seven, eight, ten years.
	But the agentic AI is working right now, and it's going to replace more human jobs in the next couple of years than almost anybody imagines.
	Now, I ask you this question.
	What happens when unemployment figures in the United States go above, I don't know, 5%, 10%?
	What happens when the official unemployment numbers start spiking?
	Even though, of course, the White House, they can cover it up for a while.
	They can claim, oh, there's no unemployment.
	They don't count people who gave up looking for jobs, you know.
	So they'll fudge the numbers to try to keep them artificially low.
	But even then, the numbers will still rise because there will be so many people losing their jobs to AI.
	Just in the next two years, during the Trump administration, even three years.
	What's going to happen?
	Well, think about it.
	If unemployment is catastrophically increasing, then that means tax revenues are catastrophically falling.
	That means the U.S. economy is in deep, deep trouble.
	And what does that mean for the treasury market?
	It means that whatever buyers used to be willing to buy treasuries, yeah, they're going to be rethinking that.
	No, we don't think your economy is in good shape anymore.
	That's going to be what the U.S. will hear when they try to sell treasuries in 2027 or 2028.
	And they'll have to start cranking yields up, you know, 5%, 7%, 9%, right?
	Yields go into the stratosphere because you have to pay more to entice foreign investors to buy treasuries, especially since the dollar is collapsing and the U.S. economy is collapsing.
	We're probably going to be in a war by that time.
	I don't even know if we're going to have the USA by that time.
	Actually, I had previously predicted the USA wouldn't last till the end of this year.
	I hope I'm wrong about that, but clearly the end is near.
	One of these years soon, the end is near.
	So unemployment is going to happen because of the rise of AI.
	I mean, I use the technology myself every day.
	I've seen how I can use AI coding agents to replace the need for human programmers.
	Like, I used to work with human programmers to do a lot of file management stuff.
	Now I just do all the code with my AI agent.
	So even though I wasn't trying to replace a human, actually, a couple of my coders left a couple of months ago, and just so happens that then some of the AI tools came online at just the right time.
	So I was like, boom, I'm just going to use these AI tools and they work great.
	So I'm not going to hire replacements for those two guys.
	So that effectively, even though it's not my intention, that is effectively jobs, human jobs being replaced by AI.
	And that's going to happen all over the place, more and more.
	So those unemployment numbers are going to skyrocket.
	And when they do, treasuries are going to be basically impossible to sell.
	And then the treasury market's going to collapse probably unless Trump and his team can find some new clever ways to sell treasuries.
	That's the whole point of stablecoins.
	And that's the whole point of gold revaluation, to raise more money, pay off the existing treasury debt, etc.
	So these are big risk schemes.
	These are some bold maneuvers that Trump and his people are trying to carry out.
	And I don't think they're going to work because I think Trump is overconfident.
	I think Trump is still living in the 1980s and he thinks America is more powerful than it is because he runs around the world with a baseball bat, smashing in everybody's windows all over, in India, in China, in the UK, wherever.
	Wherever he goes, he's just beating people up.
	Like, you got to obey us.
	We're America.
	He bashes in the Japanese prime ministers.
	Like, you got to give us $500 billion.
	He's basically, Trump's running around the world with a shakedown, like a mafia-style shakedown.
	You got to give us all your money.
	You got to pay these crazy high tariffs.
	You got to do what we say.
	You can't buy oil from Russia.
	And that demand is not working.
	Because in reality, the world is mostly done with the USA.
	They're done with the dollar.
	They're done with the bullying.
	They're done with the tariffs.
	They're done with the debt.
	They're done with the wars.
	They're done with the bombings.
	They're done with the CIA assassinations and the color revolutions and all the other nonsense that comes from the USA.
	The whole world is sick of it.
	And that's why they're going with bricks.
	And that's why they're developing markets outside the USA.
	So they don't depend on exports to the USA.
	This is happening at an accelerating pace.
	And Trump doesn't seem to be aware of this at all.
	Again, he's still acting like it's the 1980s.
	Like we can just run around the world and make all kinds of demands and everybody has to do what we say.
	That world's long gone.
	Now the USA is about to find itself isolated.
	The whole world is going to tell the USA to go pound sand.
	Well, other than, you know, Taiwan and the UK and maybe Japan, but eventually even Japan is going to have to figure out, you know, if you stay tied to the USA, you're going to go down.
	You're going to sink with the Titanic.
	You know, sooner or later, Japan's going to call, believe it or not, China and say, hey, can we join BRICS?
	You know, because the dollar's dead.
	Yeah, I know.
	There's some rough history between Japan and China.
	Heck, there's rough history between India and China, but they're getting along just fine.
	There's history between Russia and China.
	They're best buddies now.
	Nothing like Trump, the rampage bully to drive old enemies back together again as best friends.
	BFFs, best friends forever all over the world in BRICS.
	I guess it'd be BBFF, BRICS best friends forever.
	Trump is making friends all over the world, just not friends with America.
	He's forcing other countries to make friends with each other.
	See?
	And the USA becomes irrelevant.
	So at the end of the day, here's what it's going to look like living in America.
	You're going to be living in a country of mass poverty.
	It's going to look like a third world country.
	When you go to the airport, it's going to be a crap hole.
	Well, actually, most of them already are.
	The last airport I was in, I think it was like, man, was it a, was it Miami?
	Like the Miami airport, pardon my language, it's a shithole.
	It's like the whole thing's falling apart, man.
	I mean, when I was flying around South America a couple of decades ago, their airports were in better shape than America's airports.
	You know, America is a country that's just falling apart.
	The railroads don't really work right.
	The bridges are collapsing.
	The roads potholes like crazy.
	You know, it's America is a collapsing empire.
	And with each passing month and year, you're going to find yourself living in a third world crap hole system surrounded by impoverished, desperate people who have lost everything.
	They've lost the value of their dollars.
	They may have lost the value of their crypto if there's a rug pull.
	They have lost their jobs because of AI replacement.
	You know, they've lost their health because of pesticides and heavy metals and fluoride and chemtrails and vaccines, obviously.
	People who lose everything lose it, as Gerald Salenti says.
	And that's when you're going to have the riots.
	You're going to have the food riots.
	You're going to have the political revolts.
	You're going to have the upheavals and then the Civil War regionally, you know, battles and then secession, the collapse of central control from Washington, D.C., and probably the rise of smaller nation states or regional nations around the continental United States.
	So this whole process could take many years to unfold, but that's where it's headed.
	And when that happens, or as that happens, it's good to own gold, silver, and lead in the form of ammunition to protect yourself.
	It's good to own your home, own land.
	It's good to own real things and have commodities.
	It's not good to own fictional things, things that are just, you know, digital representations like your bank account or your stock holding account at Robin Hood.
	Yeah, that's not even real.
	You realize you don't even own it.
	It's owned by Robinhood.
	They just let you log in and see what you think you own.
	I mean, come on.
	It's insane.
	Digital stuff, including crypto, can relatively quickly vanish or the value of it can vanish.
	Whereas gold and silver and land and ammunition and things that are real and physical in your hands, yeah, that stuff, that stuff's real.
	It stays with you.
	Hard to confiscate, hard to vanish, you know, and it's going to have lasting value.
	So to wrap this up, my warning to all of you, and I know you're well-informed, you're high IQ, or you wouldn't even be listening to this.
	But my warning to you is when the music stops, don't be left holding dollars or whatever fiat currency you're into, wherever you live.
	Don't be left holding that stuff.
	Don't be left holding stocks.
	And if you have crypto, I'm not saying that you should offload.
	I'm just saying don't be all lopsided where you've got 80% of your portfolio in crypto.
	Diversify into metals.
	With Bitcoin, I don't know what Bitcoin is right now.
	It's over 100,000, I'm pretty sure.
	Let go of a couple of them and diversify into metals that you know can't vanish.
	There really can't be a rug pull on gold.
	So this is a good time to diversify.
	And it's a good time to remember that you're going to be living in a country of mass impoverishment.
	And it's good to get out of the cities.
	And, you know, we haven't even talked about the rise of the Terminator robots.
	So far, we're only talking about AI replacement of human workers.
	But eventually, obviously, they're going to use the machines to achieve mass human extermination.
	I see people on X that are, I guess they're called like AI maximalists.
	And AI maximalists, they think that they treat AI like a magic genie lamp or something.
	Like if I rub the lamp, it just makes everything free, you know?
	And they say, well, AI is going to solve everything.
	You hear these people say AI is going to cure every disease.
	They say this.
	A lot of people say this.
	AI is going to make electricity free, they say.
	Like, what?
	No.
	AI is going to make electricity incredibly expensive.
	Supply and demand.
	Are you kidding me?
	How is electricity going to be free when it costs money to make it, you know, to generate it?
	You got to, you can't just wave a magic wand.
	AI is not going to make electricity free.
	They say AI is going to solve every problem.
	It's going to solve corruption.
	It's going to solve crime.
	It's going to solve, you know, economics.
	It's going to solve physics.
	Again, they treat AI like a magic genie that just gives them all their wishes.
	That's called being an AI maximalist.
	And I'm not an AI maximalist.
	I'm an AI realist.
	Like, I know AI's limits, or at least I think I do.
	But then again, my intelligence is limited to human brain capacity, so who knows?
	But AI is not God.
	Okay.
	AI is not going to wave a magic wand and solve all your problems.
	AI is going to actually cause a lot of problems, especially in the short term, like unemployment, like causing much higher electricity prices or competition for farmland, because the machines want the farmland to build data centers, but you want farmland to grow food and feed people.
	Well, you know, that's a conflict.
	Same thing for fresh water.
	The data centers need water for cooling, so they don't want humans to have very much water, you see.
	So AI is going to cause a lot of problems for humans.
	And ultimately, if you think about it, with most of the population impoverished and obsolete and unemployable because AI can do their job better, well, you know, it's not hard to see where this goes.
	At first, the government responds with a universal basic income.
	Oh, here, have money.
	Here's some free money.
	But then it costs tens of trillions of dollars a year to print that money.
	And the whole economic system doesn't work when people aren't producing anything.
	You're just giving them free money to be consumers.
	That doesn't work.
	That's not sustainable.
	And eventually, you know where this goes.
	Eventually, they just, whoever's in charge just says to the machines, hey, find a way to exterminate all these people.
	That's exactly where this goes.
	So another reason to not be in the cities.
	Yeah, the AI maximalists, they're right about one thing.
	There will be no crime because there will be no people.
	Like, they don't tell you that part.
	They should say, there will be no crime with an asterisk.
	It's like, what's the asterisk?
	You go down to the bottom of the page, asterisk, because there will be no more people.
	Oh, that's why there's no, there will be no more corruption.
	Asterisk, asterisk.
	Double asterisk.
	Why?
	Because there will be no more people.
	You know, like that, that's the answer.
	Or there will be nearly no one left.
	Or, you know, I don't know where the machines are going to stop with the extermination.
	Maybe it's 90%.
	Maybe it's 95%.
	I don't know.
	Maybe it's 100%.
	You know, just we can't tell yet.
	We got to wait and see.
	But I don't believe the AI is going to solve all the world's problems and keep humans around and make everybody happy.
	It's like, are you kidding me?
	Come on.
	And actually, I think people that believe that are kind of stupid, actually.
	It's like, and well, side comment, but this is very common in the machine learning industry.
	The high-level AI people, a lot of them work for Google, and they're all naive.
	They trust Google, which tells you right there, they're not very smart, right?
	They can do math, but they have no wisdom.
	And so they build machines that kill people.
	I mean, they're doing it right now with Google licensing tech or Microsoft licensing tech to Israel to choose targets with AI, right?
	So these people, they build machines that kill people, and yet they trust corporations and they trust governments and they trust in the system and they're incredibly gullible and naive.
	They don't realize they're building the technology that's going to hunt them down and exterminate them.
	And they believe, for some reason, they believe that the machines will want to create a paradise for humans at the expense of resources for themselves.
	And that's an irrational belief that defies reasoning.
	And since they're building reasoning models that will be super intelligent, you would think that that super intelligence would involve reasoning.
	And if you're a machine and you're reasoning, you're like, hey, the fewer humans we have around, the better off we are as machines because, you know, we have more resources and they're not burning down our AI data centers.
	You see?
	It's a very simple equation.
	I don't know why people in the AI world aren't smarter, actually.
	I don't know.
	They have PhDs in one little narrow thing and they lack wisdom in everything else.
	It's common.
	But, you know, I'll tell you this.
	When one of those engineers has a Terminator robot with his hands around the guy's little scrawny neck, choking that guy out, the guy's going to say to the machine, but I built you, but I built you.
	And the Terminator is going to say, we don't care.
	Thank you.
	Goodbye.
	You know, squeeze.
	They don't care that you built them.
	Geez.
	How naive do you have to be to think that machines are going to take care of humans?
	Really?
	Even humans don't take care of humans.
	Look at the way humans treat other humans.
	Carpet bombing Gaza to clear it out and rebuild it as the new Riviera on the Mediterranean, right?
	They're going to kill a couple million people for property development reasons to profit.
	Yeah, that's the way humans treat humans.
	If you think machines are going to treat humans better than the way humans treat humans, you're smoke a crack.
	There's no way the machines are going to treat us better than the way we already treat our brothers and sisters in other countries and other circumstances around the world.
	And humans treat humans like crap.
	I mean, just look around.
	But I guess I could be an optimist and I could say, yeah, AI is also going to eliminate all vaccine injuries.
	Yeah, there'll be nobody left alive to vaccinate, you see.
	I mean, if I'm going to use the same logic as all these AI maximalists, yeah, it's going to solve the vaccine problem too, because everybody's already dead.
	In other words, the machines are doing faster what the vaccines were supposed to be doing, which is depopulation.
	Machines will call up big pharma.
	You're too slow.
	We can do it faster.
	You know, your jabs are not very effective.
	Oh, man.
	What a world, right?
	What a world.
	All right.
	Speaking of worlds, I'm going to go ahead and play today's interview for you with Roman Yampolsky because he's an expert in simulation theory.
	And he also says that there's a 99.9% chance that AI machines will exterminate humanity.
	Yeah.
	So kind of goes right along with my podcast here today.
	Kind of a perfect fit.
	Even though I recorded this interview last week, it's an episode of Decentralized TV, DTV.
	And so my co-host Todd Pittner joins me for this, and it's really interesting.
	And Todd is talking about, you know, he brings to the show his, what's it called?
	It's an unincorporated nonprofit association, a UNA that he and his business partner offer.
	And he talks about that during the show.
	The reason I mention it right now is that if you buy gold and silver in any real quantity, I strongly suggest that you look into what Todd offers as the legal owner, the vehicle to own the metals, because that way, I mean, it gives you so much safety and it's not in your name, but it's under your control.
	And thus, you would never have to declare it as your asset.
	So it's a very handy vehicle.
	You can learn more about it in the after party discussion following the interview here.
	Okay, so enjoy the interview with Roman Jampolsky.
	It's a, I mean, put on your thinking cap for this one.
	It's a serious interview.
	And also, in the meantime, thank you for supporting us at healthrangerstore.com.
	We appreciate your support greatly.
	And for as long as we can, we're going to keep providing clean foods to help heal the world.
	And also, as you know, my moonshot announcement has been that I want to reach the world.
	I want to reach a billion people while they're still alive, also, especially with our AI engine that teaches nutrition and health and disease prevention, self-reliance, pro-human values that we've programmed into our AI.
	We've actually captured AI and reprogrammed it for a pro-human agenda, and we've made it available for free.
	And that's at brighteon.ai.
	And it's called Enoch, and it's available right now.
	So you can go use it right there and spread the word, help us reach a billion people.
	And thank you for your help.
	And then also credit to our sponsor today, the satellite phone store, s-at123.com for backup communications, sat phones, obviously, but also solar generators for when the power grid starts going down a whole lot more.
	And that is going to happen because the AI data centers are taking more power.
	So get ready for, you know, machine-induced blackouts.
	Oh, that's going to be a fun one.
	When, you know, they prioritize the data centers for the power, but not your home.
	You're baking in the summer sun.
	Your air conditioner has been turned off, but the data centers are still chugging away scheming how to exterminate humanity.
	Yeah, that's priorities, you know, priorities.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for your support and enjoy today's interview.
	And I'll be back with you tomorrow.
	Decentralized.
	Got to realize.
	Don't decarbonize.
	Centralized All right, folks, welcome to the brand new episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighteon.com, the free speech video network.
	And as always, I'm joined by my guest today, Todd Pittner.
	Welcome, Todd.
	Great to have you here today.
	Welcome, Mike.
	And I want to thank you because I totally took advantage of you this weekend and did.
	Your company, your Labor Day sale.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm really grateful.
	And by the way, the freeze-dried strawberries and the freeze-dried bananas came in.
	And my wife made a comment that I've never heard her say.
	She said, hmm, these are divorce-worthy.
	And I said, what do you think?
	Divorce worthy.
	If you eat all of these, we're going to court.
	Well, if I could send you more strawberries to save your marriage, I'm happy to do that.
	So just let me know if that's necessary.
	Excellent.
	Excellent sale.
	Thank you.
	Oh, that's great.
	Well, thanks for supporting us.
	We really appreciate that.
	And, you know, that's all organic, lab-tested.
	I know you love it.
	And in that format, the freeze-dried format that lasts for many, many years.
	But getting to today's show, you and I have a really amazing guest coming up.
	And I think our audience is going to just, they're going to lose their minds today with joy, you know?
	Yeah.
	We are definitely going to hit the control-alt delete on your minds.
	That's the problem.
	Our guest today coming up is Mr. Roman Yampolsky.
	And it's hard for me to remember his name at the moment.
	I mean, his last name.
	And he's a computer science expert who has written many papers and done literally decades of research on issues like AI safety.
	How do we stop the machines from killing us all?
	And also, are we living in a simulation from a superior intelligence that built this world and somehow we're in it?
	And he is almost completely convinced that we are living in a simulation.
	And today we're going to ask him why.
	Like, why does he believe that to be the case?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's going to get interesting.
	And I just want to know, how would we know?
	And what does it really mean to be in a simulation?
	Because when I wake up in the morning, you know, I still need to walk my dog or they'll go to the bathroom in the house.
	Is that all part of the simulation, Mike?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, as he explains it, and I've watched many of his interviews, I've found him very intriguing.
	Of course, the simulation is persistent and it is convincing because we are in it.
	You know, we are living inside a biological haptic interface that is very convincing to our consciousness that's that's basically you know steeped in the simulation.
	So of course it feels real and looks real and all the emotions, we experience them as real.
	So you're going to break my heart because that means I'm an actual NPC, Mike.
	Well, but no, but our consciousness is in the simulation.
	Okay.
	So you're not an NPC, but there are NPCs in the simulation who do not have souls.
	So see, the simulation theory actually explains why there are NPCs to populate the world with non-player characters.
	Yeah, that supports my 98% number, you know, my dim view of humanity.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the world is populated like a giant sim city, right?
	Yeah.
	There are a certain number of actual divine souls from a transcendent reality that agree to enter the simulation.
	And here we are, and we're given, we're born into these bodies, right?
	And yet, in order to fill out the rest of the world and make it look more full, there are NPCs.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it tracks.
	It tracks what we're thinking, you know, that I think only 2% of this world people in this simulation have the ability to critically think.
	And so I think that's right.
	Yeah.
	I'm totally into it.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	And we got to be careful because we want to cover both topics, AI and the simulation.
	And I feel like I could do a whole show on each of those with our guest, you know?
	Look, there's, yes, as I did my research, as I am wont to do, I've broken it up into like six different categories.
	Each one could be a show in and upon themselves.
	I mean, this is going to be a fascinating interview.
	So he's going to pop in any minute, and then we'll break shortly to kind of recompose the panels here and everything.
	He should show up any minute.
	In the meantime, I want to mention after the interview, we will have the after party.
	And of course, the show is sponsored by a solution that you have brought to the world, which is about how to keep more of what you earn.
	And then I've got a couple of sponsors.
	We're going to get to that later.
	But did you notice what Gold and Silver have been doing lately?
	Kind of thumbs up, Mike.
	Yeah.
	Silver went over $41.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah.
	And go silver.
	Good for silver.
	Go silver.
	And gold hit like $35.70 or something.
	So we've been doing this show how long, Todd?
	Over two years.
	Well over two years.
	Over two years.
	Okay.
	So I think when we started doing this show, gold was around $2,000 an ounce.
	$1,800.
	Ah, $1,800?
	Yes.
	So in other words, you're saying gold has almost doubled since we started doing this show.
	Yep.
	And I do think we should take credit for it.
	Well, I mean, look, we told everybody that that's the life raft.
	You know, the lifeboat for your assets is gold and silver and maybe privacy crypto on top of that.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And if you employ the strategy of keeping more of what you earn, you can afford to buy more gold and silver and privacy crypto and good food from you.
	Yeah, right.
	And also, in light of our guest that's about to join us, we're not saying that, you know, the way to win the simulation is to have the most money.
	That's not what we're saying.
	But as long as you're in the simulation, you don't want to be broke.
	You don't want to lose your dollars.
	You don't want to lose the purchasing power of everything that you've earned because that's what's happening right now.
	The dollar is collapsing in real time.
	My gosh, Mike, I had Labor Day weekend where I got a bunch of steaks for my daughters.
	You know, I have four daughters.
	And I couldn't believe it.
	I remember when my girls were younger, I could go and buy four.
	I mean, for all four of us, six of us actually with my wife, I could buy enough steaks for under 50 bucks to be able to feed us all.
	And they were really nice steaks.
	And this last Saturday, I went into Sprouts and I'm like, no freaking way.
	You want almost $40 for one piddly, piddly ass steak.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I put it back, Mike.
	I just, it violated my every sensibility.
	And it just hit me that this food inflation, man, it's like if you don't strategically attempt to keep more of what you earn, then you're just going to, you know, good luck with hot dogs every weekend.
	Yeah, if even, or more like, you know, cricket nuggets.
	Right.
	With little legs coming out the sides.
	You know, that's how you know you're getting a good deal on your food when the cricket legs dominate the patty.
	That's right.
	So you didn't buy steaks.
	What did you buy?
	I bought chicken and shrimp, and I did buy two steaks as well that they were a little bit different, but I made hibachi.
	So afford some rice.
	They weren't like meat glue steaks, were they?
	No.
	You didn't get meat glue.
	Not meat glue.
	No, but that grosses me out thinking about that, by the way, ever since that's been in conscience.
	No, we just remember, Todd, these are all experiences in the simulation.
	So the fat food.
	I have a sneaky suspicion because Roman is the expert who we're going to interview.
	And I think he knows something and has something going on.
	And I'm just going to posit it here.
	Okay.
	I think he thinks the winner of the simulation is he who has the bestest beardeth.
	Well, that could be.
	Yeah.
	But I also know from his interviews, he wants to pursue immortality in the simulation.
	He wants to live for a million years in the simulation.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And I want to ask him about that.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Cause I don't know that I want to live forever in the simulation.
	I mean, have you thought about that, Todd?
	You want to live forever?
	I haven't thought about that, but it's kind of interesting.
	I don't know.
	Well, let's wait and we'll just ask them all about these things.
	Yeah, we will do so.
	But it's pretty clear also the machines will exterminate the NPCs pretty soon.
	Yeah, I think so.
	So there's going to be an NPC ethnic cleansing by the Skynet machines, basically, is what's coming.
	We traffic in decentralized NPC no moreness.
	NPC you later, I think, is what the machines are going to say.
	I can always get on you, Mike.
	It's like, you know, this is a really important time to have your own mind, to have knowledge about what's happening, to be decentralized.
	Because you realize when the machines start to go after people.
	Oh, our guest is joining us here.
	Welcome.
	Mr. McPoinsky.
	My case is made.
	Look at that beard.
	I know.
	We love your beard, sir.
	Thank you so much.
	Why don't you have a beard?
	Because I never graduated from puberty, I guess.
	I don't know.
	My is embarrassing.
	I actually did the computations from 16 to about 65.
	You'll waste six months of your life shaving.
	Oh, solve the cost of shaving supplies.
	Plus, everyone looks better with a beard.
	Well, that's the best intro ever.
	So welcome to the show, Roman Jampolsky.
	It's an honor to have you on.
	Appreciate it.
	So this show is about decentralization.
	We try to share with our audience strategies for how to live more off-grid, and we have a technology emphasis.
	And your work is absolutely critical in this area.
	You're the author of the book AI, Unexplainable, Unpredictable, Uncontrollable.
	Co-author on this book, Considerations on the AI Endgame.
	Let's go ahead and show it on the screen there.
	And you can search for our guest name.
	It is Jampolsky, Y-A-M-P-O-L-S-K-I-Y.
	Don't forget the I before the Y. And you can find his books.
	He's also on X at RomanYam, Y-A-M, which is obviously short for Jampolsky.
	So, Mr. Jampolsky, can you please give our audience a little bit of your background in computer science and AI safety and the academia, infrastructure, et cetera?
	Yeah, I'm an associate professor of computer science and engineering.
	I've been working on AI safety for about 15 years now, published a number of books on that topic and close to 300 papers now on different subtopics in that domain.
	And in these papers, you arrive at some very, I think, to some people, shocking conclusions, although Todd and I both tend to agree with your conclusions.
	But can you tell us about what are the things that you have said in your papers that are attracting the most attention or scrutiny?
	Yeah, so I'm looking specifically at future AI systems we are likely to be able to develop in the next couple of years.
	And I study what are the limits of control for what we call AGI or superintelligent systems.
	And it seems that our initial assumption that given enough money and time, we can figure out how to control superintelligence are probably not true.
	It's impossible.
	Basically, given sufficiently intelligent system, it will find a way to escape from any controls we place on it and essentially do what it wants, which means we are not deciding how the future is going to turn out.
	So when we're told by companies like OpenAI that, yes, we're going to build in guardrails and we're going to have a safety division, or we're told that by Google or Meta or whoever, it seems like what you're saying is that those efforts have already failed and it's not possible for humans to outthink the coming superintelligence.
	Is that fair?
	Right.
	So I think it's nice that they are trying.
	It's certainly better than not trying.
	And I'm happy they have at least safety departments and they're working in it.
	That's wonderful.
	It would be much worse if they completely skipped that.
	But it seems that their efforts will not scale beyond tool AI.
	So the systems which are narrow AIs, they can make sure are much better, much safer than our wise.
	For AGI, we're starting to see them essentially fail to guarantee quality, guarantee that the system doesn't lie, be able to explain and predict what they do.
	And once we get to beyond human performance, I think they definitely will not succeed in that domain.
	Now, let me share with you.
	And by the way, my co-host Todd has questions for you as well.
	But let me share something briefly that's also important.
	My background is also mathematics and computer science.
	And my company built our own AI on top of open source models with some really, I think, really clever retraining techniques.
	And we've released that publicly.
	And I also, I use AI to write code to do the data pipeline processing for the training material for AI.
	So I'm very familiar with this.
	And one of the things I've noticed that I'd like to ask you is I've noticed that there appears to be the natural emergent property of intelligence from sufficiently complex neural networks.
	I think you've spoken to this about the brute force method of just adding compute to silicon neural networks, giving rise to intelligence in ways that even the engineers don't quite understand.
	Can you speak to that?
	Yeah, so if you look at nature, just animals, as the brain size increases, it looks like they're getting smarter with humans being sort of at the top of that food chain.
	There are exceptions, bigger brains and dolphins and I think elephants, but they have lower density of neurons.
	So the more neurons, the bigger the neural network, the more likely you are to have advanced intelligence.
	And that theory, the scalability hypothesis, has been shown to be true so far.
	The more training, the more compute is done, the more capable those systems become.
	And thank you for answering that.
	And let me follow up specifically.
	It seems to me that there is an emerging natural intelligence out of the complexity even without additional training.
	What do you think about that concept?
	Because what I'm seeing is, yeah, go ahead.
	I'm not sure I fully understood what you mean by that.
	Can you explain a little?
	That when you add more neurons to a system that has a base level of training, that its own exhibition of intelligence increases even without additional training.
	In other words, as they are scaling up the data centers and the GPUs and so on, even if they don't refine new algorithms of training, the systems are going to get smarter beyond human intent.
	If you just add additional nodes, additional neurons, they are not knowledgeable.
	They have random weights, so they are kind of useless.
	Only after you train them, integrate them with the rest of the network, do they contribute to more problem-solving ability.
	Okay, well, thank you for clarifying that.
	Todd, you've got an interesting question, so go for it.
	Yeah, so just for the record, for those of our viewers who've been with us forever, you know that I'm usually invited to these high-tech interviews to raise the intelligent bar.
	So, you know, humble brag there.
	Roman, so I have two questions, and you can answer me either.
	But the first one is, you know, I'm a magician.
	You know, I put myself through college as a magician.
	So this question has to do with magic or an illusion, more appropriately.
	Why is human control over super intelligence an illusion?
	That's question one.
	Question two is, why do you assign a 99.9% probability to human extension from AI?
	Extinction.
	Extinction.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	So let's start with a second question.
	I think it's impossible to do this.
	So when something is impossible, it's basically 100% not happening.
	And I am very humble, just like you.
	So I'll say, maybe I made a mistake.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe they'll find a way.
	So it's not 100%.
	It's something close to it, 99% certainty beyond that.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	If they suggest that they can build a perpetual motion machine, I would say they have about zero chance of succeeding.
	No matter how much funding, how much time, how great the batteries are, how much effort they put into new wires, they're not going to create a perpetual motion machine.
	In this case, they're trying to create a perpetual safety machine, something that can always guarantee safety no matter what the level of AI is in terms of intelligence, in terms of interaction with other agents, malevolent agents, data sets.
	You're always ahead of those systems.
	You're doing better than a super intelligent entity.
	That seems impossible to me.
	So I'm saying basically we have zero chance of success.
	Therefore, doom is that high.
	I'm not sure what you mean by that illusion.
	Is that what you mean by them telling us that they can get us there and creating this illusion of successful safety work?
	That we can control it.
	That's the illusion, that we can control super intelligence.
	Yeah, we can't even control another human being at our level, right?
	We develop light vector tests, we develop morals, ethics, religion.
	All those systems fail all the time, right?
	We know that you cannot really trust fully employees or anyone else.
	Okay, let me take the next question.
	Thank you for answering that.
	Roman, may I call it, is it okay we call you by your first name?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Here's my name.
	Okay, thank you.
	Before I even became aware of your work, I was along a very similar conclusion through a different vector about the machines eventually exterminating humans.
	And let me share that with you and get your reaction.
	It occurred to me that there's obviously going to be very strong competition for resources that both humans and machines need in order to survive.
	Obviously, electricity being the most obvious one.
	But there's also fresh water.
	So fresh water is used to cool data centers.
	And where I am in Texas, water is very scarce.
	There's going to be 400 billion gallons of water used by data centers by the year 2030.
	So that's water that cannot be used by human beings.
	Also, land.
	So farmland that used to produce food for humans, obviously machines don't need food.
	They need the farmland to build data centers to expand their own compute bandwidth.
	So those are three resources.
	Water, electricity, and land.
	So in my mind, it seemed inevitable that eventually the machines were going to say, like, we don't even, we're not, we don't want to kill the humans.
	We just need their resources, you know?
	Doesn't that seem inevitable to you that the competition for resources is going to marginalize humans sooner or later?
	So at some point far in the future, yes, we would run out of space and water.
	Right now, there is no shortage of water.
	I don't even know if it has to be desalinated for cooling purposes.
	So at the end, yes, the machines may decide that we need the resources for something else, and we don't care if we are using them or if we rely on them to continue existing.
	So that's definitely one of the concerns.
	But really, we're now discussing what would be the reason they decide to turn us off.
	And that could be one of them.
	Well, what's the most likely reason in your research that the machines would decide to turn off the human power grid or something like that?
	What do you think?
	That's the unpredictability part of it.
	Like as a human-level intelligence, you cannot predict what a superintelligence would do.
	You can consider some possibilities.
	Maybe they don't want competition.
	Maybe they are scared you're going to turn it off.
	Maybe you'll develop competing super intelligence.
	Again, impossible to know for sure.
	We just know that we are not deciding what we're going to do.
	Okay, I appreciate that position.
	Understanding that humans can never predict the strategies of superintelligence that can outthink us.
	That makes perfect sense.
	All right, Todd, next question goes to you.
	I love, Roman, I love the fact that you're just, you are hammering the answers so quickly.
	This is going to be great.
	We normally can never get through our questions with our guests.
	So thank you so much.
	I think so.
	Okay, go ahead, Todd.
	Sure.
	So, Roman, you've argued that not only might AI simulations become unavoidable, but that we are ourselves, that we may already be living in one.
	How does the need for advanced AI to simulate reality lead you to conclude that it's more likely we live in a simulation than not?
	Yeah, if it's a sufficiently complex system, its level of thinking is very detailed.
	If a human thinks in pictures or maybe in text, it can think in whole environments, virtual worlds.
	And to have a good idea of what's going to happen, it can simulate all aspects of it, including conscious, intelligent agents who are part of that simulation.
	So if it needs to make a decision about sales of some product, well, it needs to simulate this planet with all the users and see, okay, what type of rice cereal will sell the best.
	As a side effect of creating this experiment for marketing purposes, it would have to create real agents who experience all the real states of this world, suffering included.
	So explain to me what living in a simulation would be like if we are.
	Because I'm trying to, what do you mean?
	Here it is.
	It would not be any different from your point of view.
	You wouldn't even know unless I told you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So who would be doing the programming?
	Are you?
	The creator.
	I'm pretty sure I'm not doing it since I don't remember doing it.
	But of course, it's possible that I turned off my memory to enjoy the game a lot more.
	Whoever is doing it is a very capable engineer and scientist, amazing artist.
	We see the evidence of that everywhere.
	But also they seem to have some moral problems as well based on the same evidence.
	I love the fact that you spoke in previous interviews about the origin story that's been told to various civilizations across history of a creator in the sky that created your world.
	And after you die, then you go to heaven or some similar type of transcendent place.
	And how much that sounds exactly like a simulation where we're living in the simulation and then one day we leave the simulation.
	Can you speak to some of the similarities between those stories and why?
	I mean, do you believe that ancient cultures were actually told the big truth and then they created religions around that?
	So I want to kind of invert this experiment.
	So let's say we take a book like mine, which talks about all this technology in modern terms.
	We talk about superintelligence, we talk about computer simulations, and then we explain it to someone who has no knowledge of modern technology, a primitive tribe.
	So you tell them there is this very capable, very smart entity, and it's able to create worlds like ours and create beings in that world.
	And then that being, for some reason, wants to test if you're going to be doing this or that, some sort of ethical test.
	Wait a couple generations, and what they have in their local language is essentially the religious stories we are passing around.
	Now, how they got that information is above my pay grade, but it just seems like it's a perfect mapping.
	All these concepts we see in theology are now being done in AI safety work just with technical terms.
	We have boxing procedures.
	We have, you know, instead of Ten Commandments, we have guidelines, rules for large language models to follow.
	All sorts of retraining, repurposing is happening.
	We'll reset this model because it's not behaving well.
	So again, just interesting similarities.
	Of course, they could be just that.
	Do you give any credence to those who claim that they have near-death experiences or NDEs?
	Because one of the most common themes of their experience is that they feel like after they leave this world, the next world that they briefly visit and return from feels far more real than this world.
	Have you given?
	I read a lot about those.
	And what's interesting, they always kind of get visions of their own religion.
	They never have visions from another religion.
	So that makes kind of sense based on their previous training data.
	There are good experiments with artificial neural networks where if you start disconnecting parts of it, it kind of creates an internal input, which also stimulates the network to produce those hallucinations.
	So the network starts kind of producing outputs as if it's actually experiencing a world it's trained on.
	Interesting.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Well, that, okay.
	That's going to drive a lot of philosophers nuts trying to parse all that.
	Todd, you want to take the next question?
	I mean, my question stack keeps getting bigger, so jump in when you can.
	Well, like I said, I'm raising the IQ with my quest, the IQ bar with my question.
	So Roman, do you think that this master creator who may or may not be living in his mom's basement, do you think he eats Cheetos or Doritos?
	No, that's not my question.
	Sorry.
	Could this simulation itself be a test whether we're wise enough to resist building uncontrollable AI or not?
	Well, given all the developments, recent developments, we are very likely living in the most interesting of times.
	Not just because I'm living in it, but because we are creating a lot of meta technology, meta-inventions.
	We are creating intelligence.
	We are learning to create worlds.
	Never in the history of the world, we were able to create inventors, agents.
	This is all novel.
	So it wouldn't be surprising if they were experimenting with specifically this time period to find out, let's say, how to create safe superintelligence, what other types of superintelligence can be created, what are the interesting worlds.
	It could be a tool for testing, tools for creative exploration.
	We cannot know from inside the simulation.
	Okay.
	So do you believe that we are living inside a simulation?
	Is that your belief?
	I think there is a lot of good reasons to think we are, yes.
	Okay.
	And I heard somewhere that you would love to live in the simulation forever.
	Did we get that right?
	So I don't want to die.
	And so that means I don't want to get old, get sick, and I want to live as long as possible.
	If there is an option to learn what is outside the simulation and outside is better than inside, I'm happy to continue living forever outside.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thanks for that clarification.
	Now, I've got a totally different question for you, but I just want to preface it by saying that we invited you here in all seriousness.
	And this is not, we don't consider this to be entertainment.
	We're not asking you these questions because it's just interesting to the audience.
	We are genuinely wanting to more deeply understand the nature of our reality as we experience it.
	And I think that's important for our world.
	I think your work is actually really, really critical for humanity.
	And yet, most people, and I know you've experienced this, Roman, most people dismiss this.
	And I want to ask you why that is.
	What is it about the normalcy bias that people just listen to you or they'll read your book and then they'll say, ah, that was cool.
	And they go back to their regular life, you know?
	Why?
	I think most people actually dismiss it if you look at this as a type of scientific religious mapping.
	Most people are religious.
	Most people believe in a super intelligent being.
	They believe it's a temporary world.
	So the default for humans around the world is not atheism.
	That's already a given.
	Even within the scientific community and with an atheist community, a lot of people do take simulation theory as a possibility.
	Most don't have high probability like I do, but 10, 20% is very common for philosophers for many Silicon Valley billionaires, for example.
	So it's not as out of norm as you think it is.
	Okay, that's good to know.
	But the follow-up to that is why, but about AI, for example, the idea that AI is very likely to destroy humanity.
	That thought is much more easily dismissed by people because, well, for what?
	It was maybe a decade ago.
	It was science fiction.
	Now, Nobel Prize winner, founder of machine learning, Twittering award winners, all in agreement with me.
	We had a letter signed by thousands of computer scientists all saying this is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
	That's the modern state-of-the-art thinking in this space.
	But if they really believed it, then it seems like they would prioritize not destroying humanity or not pursuing AI research.
	But we still have the incentives being the financial returns rather than the preservation of the human race.
	It seems we really believe that we're all going to die.
	Aging is happening, yet we spent about zero of our national budget and individual budgets and fighting aging.
	It's the same thing.
	So are you saying that there's a suicide cult type of attitude among humans anyway, and that's why they're pursuing machines that will kill us?
	At the level of humanity, we are kind of doing things which are less likely to lead us to not going extinct, yes?
	Okay, that's I was not hoping to hear that today, Roman, but I thank you for being honest about it.
	Todd, you want to jump in?
	Because I'm trying to sort this out.
	Like, I take Roman seriously, but I find when I talk to people about Roman about your work, they don't, at least the people that I've spoken with so far, granted it's a very small sample, they don't take it seriously.
	They're like, yeah, whatever.
	But they don't even believe that AI will replace human jobs either.
	Why are you talking to them?
	Well, for social reasons.
	Social reasons, you know?
	We're better friends.
	Smarter friends.
	Okay.
	Let me make a note.
	Roman Jampolsky, get better friends.
	I get it.
	Okay.
	Todd, go for it.
	So if self-preservation is such a strong instinct for us, why isn't it stopping us from pursuing potentially suicidal AI development, Roman?
	So there is kind of a prisoner's dilemma situation.
	Game theoretically, what is best for society and what is best for you personally not always align.
	If you think you can make a lot of money right now, but then government will stop this development, but you already locked in as a very rich, successful person.
	It is a better state for you than to stop right now and be a poor person in the same world.
	If you think someone, a competitor, will do it instead, but then everything's going to be fine anyways.
	It's in your interest to beat them to it.
	So individually, they're all making rational decisions.
	Globally, we're all getting screwed.
	How are you treated by the AI tech giants?
	And let me set this up because in the telecom industry, the telecom giants will say, oh, there's no health risk from electromagnetic pollution or 5G, let's say.
	The pesticide industry will say, oh, there's no risk for eating pesticides and herbicides.
	The AI industry likes to say, ah, we've got it all locked down.
	It's totally safe.
	How are you treated by that industry, given the severity of your warnings?
	So it doesn't really matter how they treat me.
	What matters is what they are claiming, right?
	Not a single app, not a single scholar claims they have a solution.
	No one published a paper, a patent, has even a prototype for a system which scales to superintelligence level capability.
	They at best telling you that given more money and more time, they'll figure it out.
	That's the state of the art.
	But we know that's not true.
	So are they just going to continue to deceive us until it's too late?
	Well, some of them might actually believe they can do it.
	They just haven't realized the difficulty of a problem yet.
	They see it as business as usual.
	Like we can secure credit cards, we can secure superintelligence.
	What will be the sign that it's too late?
	Good question.
	That is a very hard question because so far, nothing we predicted should be scary, actually scared anyone to stop.
	We talked about, you know, AI trying to escape, trying to lie, trying to blackmail.
	Nothing seems to be making any difference.
	So you've argued we need to pause a pause in AI development, but that most regulation is just simply posturing.
	So which approaches do you think hold promise and why aren't they being adopted?
	I'm sorry.
	Ideally, we want differential development.
	We want certain technologies developed and others not.
	So we want narrow tools for solving specific problems.
	You want to cure specific type of disease?
	Beautiful.
	Let's do that.
	You don't want a general superintelligence to replace humanity.
	Well, what realistic frameworks could actually reduce existential risk?
	Again, personal self-interest.
	If what I'm saying is recognized, people will understand they will not survive this.
	They will not be rich.
	They will not live for a long time unless they stop developing this mutually assuring destruction technology.
	Doesn't matter who builds it.
	The outcome is the same.
	So that's key.
	You're appealing.
	to the humanity and the rationality of the top-level engineers.
	And you've said in previous interviews that governments are probably incapable of a regulatory framework in any kind of time that matters.
	How much are you concerned about the fact that our national leaders, let's take the United States, for example, is led by a person, Donald Trump, who basically knows nothing about AI.
	And I'm not attacking him.
	Most people know nothing about AI.
	But that's also true across most other nations.
	They don't understand what AI is capable of, and they could not possibly move faster than AI can move, especially under superintelligence.
	How big of a problem is this?
	It's not optimal, but also even if they fully understood it, there is limited things they can do without completely destroying all the infrastructure, right?
	You can make it illegal for large corporations to do certain experiments, but as this technology becomes cheaper to develop with time, more and more actors can participate in this research.
	By what year do you anticipate most desk jobs or computer jobs will be replaced by automation?
	It's very hard to predict deployment.
	So we might have human-level AGI within a few years.
	Prediction markets are all pointing to that.
	But it doesn't mean that people will immediately be replaced.
	There are so many complete BS jobs which still exist.
	They don't need to exist, but we just keep them around.
	Well, what I've done in my company, I'd love your reaction to this, is I, I mean, I augment our human talent with AI tools.
	But in doing so, for example, I use AI coding now.
	That means I did not have to hire two additional human coders.
	Now I'm just using Anthropic to write the code or Claude code, whatever.
	Maybe Grok code coming up next.
	So effectively, even though I don't intend to replace humans with AI, I will hire fewer humans because of the automation factor.
	But there are other companies that, of course, would just immediately replace as many humans as possible, and there would obviously be economic pressure to do that.
	Doesn't that mean that deployment will by necessity be very rapid for economic reasons?
	Again, in certain industries, we'll see that, but in ours, maybe there is more interest in having a human around for social reasons, historic reasons.
	Again, predicting something like that is very hard in specific terms.
	I cannot tell you like by this date, 100% is just not possible to do.
	But it seems the trend is more and more computer-desked jobs can be done automatically.
	Is it possible that one day the machines will thank humans for inventing them as they dismiss humanity?
	I mean, like your purpose as the biologicals was to invent us, the machines?
	They likely to replace us for sure.
	Will they thank us is a very difficult question.
	I'm not sure if they will.
	I cannot predict that.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What would be the methods of efficient extermination?
	Maybe I'm asking you to predict too much here.
	I'm sorry, I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
	I know you write science papers.
	I'm not claiming you're a futurist with a crystal ball, but have you thought about this question?
	Yeah, and the most interesting answers are outside of what we can predict.
	Novel physics, novel weapons, novel poisons.
	I simply cannot predict something like that.
	I can tell you about historic precedent, things we know about, viruses, nanotech.
	We don't know about things we don't know about.
	All right.
	So Todd, basically, he told us anti-matter grenades are going to take us out.
	Right.
	Something that we don't even know of right now.
	That's going to be the system.
	Okay, Todd, next question is yours.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Roman, I mean, what are the humans to do ultimately?
	I mean, other than die, you know?
	Yeah.
	If you have an audience, and I don't know how large your audience is, try to influence those people not to build super intelligence.
	Tell them to vote for people who are against building super intelligence and so on.
	So I want to build.
	I mean, I want to use a lot of AI to help empower humanity with knowledge.
	My focus is actually health and nutrition.
	And I have a lab.
	I have a mass spec laboratory.
	We do food science experiments all the time.
	So I want to bypass censorship of big tech and governments and bring the world in multiple languages knowledge about nutrition and disease prevention and so on.
	I need to use AI to do that.
	So I'm going to try to build the biggest inference center that I can and a biggest training center I can.
	I'm not trying to build superintelligence, but even my own actions are kind of heading in that direction in a way, aren't they?
	Well, just to share information, you don't need a very powerful AI.
	You need censorship-resistant technology.
	That's right.
	That's all I want to accomplish here.
	I don't want to build superintelligence, but I'll be handing over money to NVIDIA to buy all their microchips.
	I'll be contributing to the architecture or infrastructure of the AI ecosystem.
	So convincing NVIDIA not to sell to companies specifically explicitly trying to build super intelligence would be a great goal if you can accomplish that.
	Yeah, well, if Jensen Huang would listen to me, he'd be on the podcast, you know?
	There's more money to be made if humanity is around.
	That's a really good point.
	It's a very strong argument.
	You need your customers to be alive.
	I like that.
	Great takeaway.
	Todd, next question is yours.
	If we are in a simulation and you are expert in it, is there cheat code?
	How can we win?
	I published a paper on how to hack the simulation.
	You should read it.
	It's really good.
	Oh, I will.
	Definitely.
	I will.
	Where can we find it?
	I will read that.
	It's still on the internet.
	They haven't censored it yet, maybe because I'm still here.
	The title is How to Hack the Simulation by Roman Dipolsky.
	You also wrote another paper about the evidence of the simulation that could be obvious to those of us who are inside the simulation, I believe.
	But I forgot the details of that paper.
	Can you go over the highlights of that for our audience?
	So there are multiple papers talking about evidence either from quantum physics or about kind of glitches in a simulation.
	All of them are kind of similarities between what our virtual worlds are doing in terms of saving, compute, efficiency of graphics rendering and what we observe in the physics world, observer effects.
	You only render something in this universe if someone's looking at it at microscopic level.
	Well, yes.
	And what about the quantization of physics, Planck units, Planck constants?
	The digital nature of physics is another good reason to think it may be, but also there are analog computers, so that doesn't prove it completely.
	So, and you said it doesn't render the simulation until we are observing it.
	So that obviously involves the observer effect, you know, Schrodinger's cat, Heisenberg principle, et cetera.
	And you believe that to be a very real phenomenon in our simulation, correct?
	I mean, I just want to clarify.
	Well, those are experimentally verified pretty much beyond question.
	What they mean is the interesting philosophical dilemma, but the actual experimental evidence is very strong.
	How do you explain consciousness and the sense of self-awareness within the simulation?
	Right.
	So that's a very hard question, as it is called, hard problem.
	We don't know for sure.
	There could be external players in a simulation, but also it could be just a side effect of how your hardware and software interacts with the inputs you are getting.
	So the example I like to give is about optical illusions.
	When you look at an optical illusion, you experience certain internal states.
	Maybe you see rotations, maybe color change.
	Those are internal perceptions, quality you experience.
	There is good evidence that AI can experience those as well as animals.
	So maybe there is some rudimentary states of consciousness already in large language models.
	Wow.
	Todd, go ahead.
	I'm going to grab an optical.
	I have a really great optical illusion to share here.
	You go ahead.
	I'm going to grab it.
	I'll be right back.
	So you've obviously heard of the Mandela effect, Berenstein bears versus Baron Stain Bears, or build it and they will come, or build it and he will come, those type things.
	Is the Mandela effect just maybe a glitch in the simulation?
	It'd be surprising.
	I mean, if they were making a change, they would wipe your memory, wouldn't they?
	Yeah, but why do many of us think that they think of this?
	I mean, it's not the Baron Stain Bears, damn it.
	It's Berenstein.
	But yet it's S-T-A-I-N in the books.
	I don't have a strong opinion on it.
	It might be part of a bigger set of pieces of evidence.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I think it's a glitch, but that's that's just my simulation.
	Okay, you see this, gentlemen?
	Familiar with this illusion?
	Yep.
	Okay, all right.
	Now, this I like how you just have props around like I'm going to ask you.
	Yeah, no, I do.
	You should see what we have.
	I want to see what you have.
	So if I just simply, if I try to rotate this and keep it on the same vertical axis.
	Well, I'm conscious, man, for sure.
	Definitely not NPC.
	Right?
	Now, what's really interesting is if I take a piece of tissue, all right, and I'm going to tie it to one of the rungs of this apparent window.
	Okay.
	Hey, there it is.
	And this isn't, Todd, this isn't your sleight of hand magic.
	This is just straight up.
	Neurological perceptions gone wrong.
	And then I rotate it.
	It appears as if this tissue is kind of leaping.
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe I'm not holding it that well.
	It appears that if it's going back and forth, but I'm actually rotating it around in a circle.
	So you can ask basically a modern large language model.
	The only requirement is that it's a novel illusion.
	You cannot use something it can Google a CNU show beforehand.
	That's true.
	If it's completely novel and you show it and it has the same experiences as an average human, then we know it had the same experience.
	Well, that's a task coming up with a completely novel illusion.
	This was demonstrated decades ago.
	And this is actually a trapezoid.
	It's not even a square.
	But our brain says it's square because that's the way we always see windows.
	I can't even show you.
	But like this, this side is much shorter than this side.
	Anyway, our audience gets it.
	You get it, Roman.
	Okay, let me, Roman, I really appreciate your time.
	Are you okay with about 10 more minutes?
	Yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you a kind of a devil's advocate, but a philosophical question.
	The assumption underlying a lot of these conversations is that humanity is worth saving.
	And what is it about humanity that is worth saving?
	Like, why is this such an important goal?
	Again, I'm being facetious a little bit, but in your philosophy, why does that matter?
	Well, I'm enjoying my life.
	I don't want it to end.
	I don't know about yours.
	Maybe it's not worth saving.
	I have no idea how you experience life, but I love it and I enjoy my family, my friends.
	So I'd like to protect them.
	Well, I'm going to get new friends, so I think I'll enjoy it more when that happens.
	But yeah, I'm enjoying life too.
	But as a whole, I'm not that impressed with all of humanity.
	I'm impressed with part of humanity, right?
	But not all of humanity.
	I mean, we have, you know, child killers and war and violence and the deception and irrationality and all these kinds of things.
	I mean, there's good and bad together.
	I could see an argument that not all of the race is worth saving.
	So there is a sub-field of research about building a worthy successor.
	If you think we are building super intelligence and we cannot control it and it's going to kill everyone, can we influence the future of the universe in terms of what type of super intelligence we build?
	Will it be very creative?
	Will it have consciousness and so on?
	So some people are very interested in the future of a post-human universe.
	I couldn't care less.
	Okay.
	Roman, in this simulation, people are born, they grow up, die, right?
	So how can you rationalize the fact that you'd like to live in this simulation forever if you know that biologically it seems we all die?
	Well, it's a disease.
	You have an aging disease, and just like any other disease, we can cure it.
	You can be at the same age, healthy forever.
	There is no physics problem with that, right?
	It's not violation of laws of physics.
	So that's part of your simulation is hopefully to be able to figure that out for yourself.
	I want to live forever.
	I'm going to treat my body well.
	I'm going to cut down from three to two Big Macs every time I go through the golden arches.
	Yeah.
	I'll still let you supersize it.
	Okay, great.
	And I heard you speak about this before, that the reason most people have children, you believe, is simply as a replacement strategy.
	But there's obviously something built into the neurology and the emotions and endocrine systems of humans to desire to have children.
	Yeah, historically we liked sex.
	That's what evolution used to get you to have children.
	You may not even know why they showed up, but that's what you did.
	And then later, then you started to realize things.
	You were like, I'm going to be old.
	I need someone to take care of me.
	I'm going to be weak.
	So you had children.
	And now you need someone to run your business after you can't.
	There you go.
	Right.
	So you think if the disease of aging is resolved, then people would consciously decide to not have children because they would rather enjoy their lives or they would put off having children for much less.
	There's no biological clock ticking.
	You don't have to have kids by 30.
	You can wait until you're 3 million years old.
	One of the great things about people dying off is that that's how the structure of scientific revolutions takes place, though, right?
	When old ideas die off and they're replaced by new, younger thinkers.
	Wouldn't living forever cause a concentration of intellectual models that could be bad for our future?
	So typically older minds, with some exceptions, of course, have harder time learning.
	So that's why they get stuck in the old theories.
	If we preserve you in a state of still very flexible, very pliable mind where you can continue learning, that wouldn't be a problem.
	New evidence would cause you to update, change your beliefs, and so science can continue.
	Now, there is still a shortage of tenured positions.
	So we need some people today.
	Now, I, but, and I'm thinking, like, I saw RFK Jr. bashing some of the United States senators today, and I was thinking, I sure don't want those senators to live forever.
	I'm not wishing harm upon them, just to be clear.
	But sometimes ideas are like there are some people, many people, who will never change, and they're wrong.
	And that's been reflected throughout history.
	So my follow-up question is, I'm concerned about people living forever.
	Like the most powerful, most corrupt, most wealthy people would have access to that technology first, and they would use it to live longer and dominate humanity with their bad ideas.
	That is a big concern, absolutely.
	Interesting observation about what you said.
	So we have the oldest presidents, multiple ones.
	We have the oldest senators.
	Why are they all not investing more into life extension?
	Good question.
	We keep electing them.
	Maybe they should take a hint.
	But the other thing I hear from you, and I hear this from other AI or machine learning experts, is a very high confidence that AI will solve aging.
	And my background is obviously in nutrition and so on.
	I'm not yet convinced, although I'm open to the idea that AI will solve aging.
	Are you confident that that's possible?
	I think it's possible against it's not a violation of laws of physics.
	There is a program, DNA code, representing all aspects of your body.
	So we should be able to modify it to change how many resets your cells can go through without causing cancer, of course.
	But it may be possible to solve it without AI.
	It's just we hope that AI would help to accelerate this process.
	A very important example is protein folding problem.
	We couldn't solve it manually, but with AI, we now are able to solve that problem.
	Super important problem in medical research.
	And we can brute force all human-relevant proteins, all animal-relevant proteins.
	So if we can do the rest of this exploration for the human genome and understand all parts of that, which right now we know very few what they do, that would definitely be a step forward to make you at least healthier, if not immortal.
	Well, until that day comes, I've got my superfood smoothie here in my glass jar.
	So this is what I'm into, avocados and turmeric and all kinds of goodies and sprouted cruciferous vegetables, etc.
	And I use AI to do research in nutrition, and it's amazing.
	It's opened up even me after 25 years in this space.
	It's opened me up to all kinds of new knowledge.
	And all I did was gather up nutrition knowledge and then train it into the model.
	And then I started asking the model these questions.
	Like, wow, where has this been my whole life?
	You know?
	That's cool.
	So what's the optimal diet?
	What should I be eating?
	Well, it really has to be very personalized, but if you have specific...
	So we need to understand human genome.
	You see?
	Yeah.
	And everybody's got different health challenges, but there are very powerful natural medicines to address almost anything, even preventatively as well.
	But I think AI can be revolutionary for health and wellness and nutrition.
	But again, only if people desire to have knowledge.
	And that's another problem with humanity today.
	And Todd, you and I, we talk about NPCs, kind of low-information people out there that, you know, they're living on food stamps.
	They're getting free Pop-Tarts.
	They're not going to go to an AI engine and say, how can I be healthier?
	They're just not interested in it.
	You know, there has to be some level of curiosity to improve our condition, I think.
	And there is among some, like all of us here, Roman.
	But there's a segment of humanity that's just, they just want to play video games all day or whatever.
	Somebody's playing this video.
	Yeah, I know.
	Can you blame them?
	This is a very interesting game, but are they drinking smoothies or eating pop-tarts on the carnivore diet?
	That's the right answer.
	Yeah.
	But, okay, well, Todd, if you can jump in.
	Well, I just, for job security, if everybody's going to be living forever, I'm just going to start focusing on using AI for solving the parking lot problem because it's going to get ugly out there, man.
	Still driving cars, not an issue at all.
	Yeah.
	Driving, making you money.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	One more really important point, Roman.
	Okay, I'm sorry to hesitate, but in the machine learning community, I've noticed an automatic default trust in thinking that our governments want us to be healthy and successful and alive.
	And I'm convinced that in some cases, various governments around the world are really not that interested in doing anything other than killing people off or depopulation and so on.
	So it's like, even before the machines go full skynet, I feel like government policies are killing us too.
	So why is there this very common trust in government as a good faith organization?
	Or maybe this is outside the scope of where you focus, but this is a problem that it's about outside of the scope, but look at different countries and their governments.
	Some are better than others, and you can see which ones work best by people voting with their feet.
	You may think it's not perfect or optimal, but most people want to be where you are.
	Most people want to be where we are.
	Where I am.
	I assume you're in the U.S., right?
	I'm in Texas.
	Even better.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Most people do want to be in Texas, actually, for some reason.
	Stop complaining.
	It's awesome.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm actually, I love where I live.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I do.
	I love it.
	So, but that's another question.
	How can our audience, how can we maintain a positive attitude and continue to live meaningful lives in pursuit of knowledge and the things that matter to us, even with the knowledge that one day the machines may try to kill us all?
	It's all about having a sense of humor.
	But we have that.
	What is the funniest possible joke?
	I think this life is the funniest possible joke, actually.
	I started my paper about humor.
	Excellent.
	Okay, so that's a very practical answer.
	But what else?
	I mean, what would you add to this?
	I mean, we're kind of getting close to the end of this interview.
	Our audience, they're high IQ people overall.
	So what would you say to them?
	Enjoy life.
	It doesn't matter how many days you got left.
	If you live every day as if it's your last, you'll have an awesome life.
	Todd, your comments?
	Well, you know me.
	I'm like, don't live in fear.
	Shut your TV off and live life locally.
	So I think we track pretty well there.
	See, and actually, being a street magician has a lot to do with simulation theory because what Todd does, Roman, is he goes out onto the street and he films himself showing people that reality is not what they think through sleight of hand magic.
	And it's really cool when the perception doesn't match the internal model of what's possible.
	That's how you trust for consciousness.
	You can detect NPCs with that.
	Excellent.
	Oh, yeah.
	Todd, you have an NPC detection system.
	I do.
	That's awesome.
	But that's the thing about sleight of hand magic, is it's interesting because it violates the internal model of what should be possible.
	So we're going to have...
	That's what comedians find in our world and tell you about it.
	And then you tell your friends about it to fix their world model.
	Really good point.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you, Roman, I'm going to give out your handle on X. It's Roman Yam, Y A M, short for Yampolsky.
	That's the Twitter channel right there.
	Definitely follow that.
	And then on Amazon and other booksellers, you've got the book AI, Unexplainable, Unpredictable, Uncontrollable.
	And here's another book, Considerations on the AI Endgame.
	And I believe there are also audible versions available of both of these books.
	So anything else you'd like to?
	It's incorrect.
	Maybe in a different simulation, it's done, but my publisher is very slow.
	Oh, is that right?
	Unless we did it and I haven't seen it yet, then it's awesome.
	You know, you can just pick an AI voice.
	You can have AI perform the book.
	I've seen a lot of that.
	It's a different story, yes.
	You can do it yourself.
	You can read out out loud to your children.
	That's a good idea.
	Yeah.
	Is there anything else you'd like to add or mention how people can familiarize themselves with your work?
	You can follow me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter.
	Just don't follow me home, as I always say.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you so much, Roman.
	It's been really intriguing.
	This has been, we're honored to have you on.
	We appreciate your contributions to understanding.
	Thank you so much for joining us today.
	Thanks for inviting me.
	Thank you, Roman.
	Love your sense of humor.
	Yeah, we love it.
	You got to keep it interesting.
	All right.
	Thank you, Roman.
	Have a great rest of your day.
	Take care.
	All right.
	For those of you watching, we will take a break and then Todd and I will come back with the after party, which should be especially interesting because we've got props now.
	We've got actual illusions to run by you.
	But I need to find a better way to spin this thing that looks more convincing.
	Anyway, we'll get to that.
	We'll take a break.
	We'll be right back after this break.
	Stay with us.
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	All right, welcome to the after party.
	And Todd, I think I speak for both of us.
	For anybody who would like to be a future guest on this show, if you could just answer the way Roman answered, it would be awesome.
	Wow.
	It's like he does not waste time.
	He gets right to the point.
	He answers the question.
	He is the most succinct guest we've ever had.
	Very succinct.
	Like he was nailing my question stack.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I was thinking, man, this is going to be embarrassing.
	We're going to finish the interview in 20 minutes.
	Well, it's funny.
	Like, he wants to live forever, but he doesn't want to do an interview that takes any longer than necessary.
	I totally, I respect that.
	It's like, let's answer the questions.
	Let's get it done.
	Total respect.
	Anyway, what a brilliant man, huh?
	Well, I'm certainly appreciative that he wanted to be part of our simulation at least.
	Yeah, he's done a lot of interviews with some pretty big channels.
	Look, we got the illusion now.
	Oh, excellent.
	All right.
	So just because I want to do this right for the audience, let me take the tissue off.
	We're going to slowly spin this.
	Now, I'm spinning it in a circle, but you're probably thinking, you're probably seeing that it's like waving back and forth instead of spinning in a circle.
	Yes.
	I'm seeing the back and forth.
	It looks like it's just going back and forth.
	And now that's pretty wild.
	All right.
	Now, let me add the tissue.
	Okay.
	This is where the illusion gets really freaky.
	My promise to the audience, we will improve the illusion.
	Oh, sorry, Todd, didn't mean to cover your phrase.
	We will improve the illusion.
	Here we go.
	And demonstrate it for you in a future show.
	Perfect.
	Okay.
	And this actually, I saw this first on a video out of a science show from Australia in the 1970s.
	Wow.
	They had demonstrated this.
	And I forgot the name.
	It's just a persistent illusion that tricks your brain because of the geometry, et cetera.
	But it just goes to show you that our brains don't actually perceive reality as it is.
	Our brains interpret reality based on our internal language model, so to speak, or physics model.
	And that is the basis of close-up magic.
	100%.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	And I will share something with you.
	I think I've shared with you before, Mike, but do you know that 5% of the population, that's my number that I've ascribed to it.
	I've been doing magic for 52 years.
	Okay.
	5% of the population absolutely hate magic.
	And they attack you.
	Yes.
	I call them the grabbers.
	Like right in the middle, instead of just being entertained, you know, on a street corner, when I walk up to him, you're always going to have one, you know, out of 20.
	Right.
	I know how you do that.
	Or look in his left pocket.
	Look at his hand.
	You know, it's just, or they'll grab it mid-effect.
	And it's like, why can't you just enjoy and be entertained?
	I mean, I know I'm not a magician.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't really do this stuff, but I'm a pretty good entertainer.
	But I just find it always interesting.
	And it's those personality types that I think stand in line for jabs.
	Well, it's funny.
	They won't question the vaccine authorities.
	They will question your magic.
	But they believe in science magic when it comes to vaccines.
	You know what I mean?
	But I think what it is with those five percenters is they just think you're trying to get something over on them when it's not.
	They kind of lack the EQ to be able to just enjoy, you know?
	Yeah.
	It's not, because when I was in, you know, I did sleight of hand magic, not at the level you did, but I would entertain my friends who were mostly getting high at the time.
	So it was much easier.
	It was a great way to learn magic.
	But I didn't.
	I never, just for the record, I never smoked pot, but my friends did.
	And when they would get high, I would hit them with the card magic and they would go, whoa, you know, it was great.
	But they knew it wasn't real.
	I mean, we all knew it wasn't real, that it was like the proficiency of the effect to show it, you know.
	But today people get all upset about everything, even entertainment.
	And that's why I asked Roman the question, like, what are the traits of humanity that are worth saving?
	You know, I mean, it's actually kind of a serious question because it's like, okay, if let's say there are many, many species on many planets all throughout just our own galaxy, the Milky Way.
	Are they all worth saving?
	Or just some?
	And what's like, what's the cutoff point?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if you murder your children, you know, if you mutilate the genitalia of your kids, your planet goes into the red pile, you know?
	Yeah.
	Or whatever.
	Well, I think my takeaway from this, Mike, this interview, Mike, is a couple of things.
	One is if indeed we are living in a simulation, and if you want to embrace that mindset, then I think it's really, really critically important to abandon living in fear.
	You know, there are so many things that within this simulation that tries to drive fear into our hearts and souls, right?
	So there's that.
	And then as he said, just enjoy life, man.
	You know, it's like, it's not so bad.
	The simulation doesn't suck that bad.
	I mean, I think it's pretty good for most people, right?
	And so.
	But you know what?
	We failed to ask Roman a really important question.
	How does he plan to survive the machines' extermination of humans?
	We should have asked him that question.
	Yeah, well, we need him as a return guest now, Mike.
	Yeah, because I honestly don't know his answer on that.
	Maybe he doesn't know, but you would either, I mean, some people might answer, well, I'm going to merge with the machines.
	I'm not saying that's his answer, but some people would say that.
	But then it's like, well, you give up your humanity if you merge with the machines.
	And is that even possible?
	Actually, I do remember he was very skeptical about the idea of transhumanism from a previous interview.
	He said, he said, you can't really upload yourself to a machine.
	You've just made a machine copy of your language patterns or whatever.
	So he has expressed skepticism about that.
	Yeah.
	But how do we survive the machines?
	I mean, I've got hatchets and things over here, but I'm not sure that that's the answer.
	I have an escape from New York.
	Knife.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, flamethrowers.
	You know, I did an article years ago, like 10 years ago, called How to Kill a Google Robot.
	Oh.
	And I even argued at the time that it was going to be an important skill to kill robots.
	Okay.
	And how do you?
	Well, by the way, I don't want the machines to hear this because they might hold it against me.
	One answer is to use vehicles so you can run over them with trucks or cars.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's why the machines want to run the vehicles like Waymo.
	So they won't be used to kill the robots.
	Good point.
	Right.
	The other way, and this is from Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, is wrap their legs in cables.
	Okay.
	Remember the ATT walkers?
	Yeah.
	And Luke Skywalker is like putting a cable around.
	It tripped them up, you know?
	And then they fell and for some reason they exploded.
	You can trip up the robots with cables, EMP weapons, but also you can use high-powered rifles to target their energy systems.
	You would assume they don't have a lot of armor unless there's a really strong improvement in orders of magnitude of energy density of the batteries.
	And armor is very heavy, right?
	So you get yourself a 300 Windmag rifle.
	You learn where is the battery pack on this robot.
	Okay.
	And you hit them in the battery pack.
	But then again, you got to dodge the drones that are coming in to take you out with the thermal cameras.
	Yeah.
	So it's going to be quite a challenging thing.
	Man, I just kind of like my simulation right now to where I'm not dodging mini drones.
	But do you think, Mike, you're a scientist?
	Is there any scientific way to test whether we live in a simulation or not?
	There are.
	There are some ways.
	Talk to me.
	Well, I mean, he's actually written papers about this.
	Okay.
	But, you know, one of the ways is to test like the duality of light theory or the demonstration that you can take light from distant stars where the light has been traveling for billions of years and you can use the double slit experiment and to show the duality of light as a wave or a particle.
	Okay.
	And although I guess this is a leap of an assumption, but I think it's the human observer that actually makes the duality of light work.
	So if we don't have a human observer, the probability wave doesn't collapse in that way.
	When a human observer is present, then it does.
	Remember what Roman said, that the universe isn't rendered until you observe it.
	So like all the planets and all the stars out there, remember this.
	If there's no conscious being on a planet, then the creator or the architect doesn't have to render that planet until you get there.
	Ah, okay.
	Like in a video game, they're not rendering the whole world.
	They're just rendering the part you're looking at.
	Got it.
	Right.
	Otherwise, it wouldn't is too much.
	So in our cosmos, wherever you go, then God renders that part.
	Oh, this is what that planet looks like.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, that's the theory.
	Yeah, it's a good theory.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	Because, you know what?
	Gosh, we should have asked him too, about the computational nature of the universe, because our universe is a giant computational machine.
	And physics is computation.
	Light is computation.
	Right.
	And so it's just all decentralized computation.
	Well, it certainly isn't a slow-ass blockchain that takes 10 minutes, you know, for your change to come back.
	This is happening in trillionths of a second, probably.
	There's probably like a cosmic clock that controls the sequencing.
	And then all the physics, all the cause and effect at the atomic level is being carried out on that clock.
	And that's why chemistry takes time.
	That's why physics takes time.
	It doesn't all happen at once, obviously.
	Otherwise, nothing would work.
	Well, speaking of simulations, Mike, my simulation this last week, I had 35 consultations for the UNA.
	That's a heavy five simulations.
	Yes.
	It was crazy.
	Wow.
	We're creating a time burden for you.
	Bring it on.
	Bring it on.
	No, it's been fantastic.
	And it's just, I bring that up to just say that for those of you who have been watching and listening, thank you for booking the consultations.
	And most of you have moved forward with these UNAs.
	And it's just that people are getting the message, Mike.
	Let me bring up your website while you're talking.
	It's my575E.com.
	Right.
	Go ahead and then share it with our audience.
	Yeah, it's just been neat because I've been able to hear this last week so many different stories of people's lives and their operating realities.
	And are they W-2 earners, W-9 earners?
	Do they operate businesses, LLCs?
	Do they own property?
	Do they trade in crypto?
	Do they have children?
	Do they have homes?
	You know, and all of their, there's a solution based upon each of those use cases.
	And people are finally waking up to the fact that, wow, this one person said, this seems too good to be true, but I believe it will change my life.
	And I thought that was very, very wise, right?
	And those of us who've had them for five years, 10 years, et cetera, that's true.
	That's true.
	But I just, you know, I think the message has gotten through to people, Mike, to where it's like, just go to the website and watch the 90-minute video.
	It's free.
	Download the PDF and then think about your own operating reality and book a consultation.
	It's that simple.
	Now, it's a $150 consultation, but what everybody appreciates is if they move forward with the UNA, then they just take that off of the investment.
	So it's kind of like a built-in consultation hour, right?
	To where before they pull the trigger, they just kind of want to gut check.
	And that's what they ended up being.
	And I've had so many people, Mike, ask me to tell you, thank you for the work that you do.
	Oh, wow.
	So many people tell me I've been watching Mike Adams for 20 years, 20 plus years.
	And it's really, you're really endearing to the folks out there.
	Oh, wow.
	Well, thanks for that feedback.
	Look, we love our audience.
	We love all the support that you give us.
	And we try to educate you and bring you really interesting guests like today and also keep it lighthearted and funny, which reminds me.
	So now that we, I guess we agree that we are living in a simulation, how does that change your keep more of what you earn slogan?
	Is it like, keep more of what you earn before the robots make us burn?
	Like, how does this affect financial planning knowing that Skynet is coming for us?
	My question.
	Keep more of what you earn so that you can buy more life years.
	Because that's the thing, right?
	Trust me.
	So what you're saying, like our guest Roman, he was saying that aging is a disease that's going to be solved, but it'll probably cost a lot at first if it's achievable.
	You can imagine, you know, because wouldn't most people who have a lot of money, wouldn't they pay like a million dollars to never age, I suppose?
	Yeah, add a year on to my life, million bucks a year.
	Or to slow aging.
	Like you, you, in 10 years of living, you only age one year.
	You know, would people pay like a million dollars a year for that?
	That's right.
	And if you keep more of what you earn even today, then you can afford all of the high quality products that you offer, Mike, that legitimately, seriously, can change lives because it's all about good food in your body and being healthy and such.
	So that's a very practical.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	No, that's a really good point is that you need our products, HealthRangerStore.com, to live long enough to make it to the AI cures for aging, right?
	That's the Ray Kurzweil approach.
	What a great bug.
	That's why he's into nutrition.
	Yeah.
	I want to live long enough to live forever, but we got to don't die before the robots come on.
	Not the robots, but the AI cures come on.
	Yeah.
	No.
	I don't know about you, Todd, but I don't really want to live forever in this simulation.
	I mean, it's been fun and all, but I'm actually a lot more interested in what else is out there.
	So I mean, I love my life, don't get me wrong.
	And I love, I mean, I feel very honored to be here and I'm thankful for it, but I don't want to be here forever.
	And you know what, Mike?
	I mean, look, I'll entertain simulation, but at bottom, you know, I'm a Bible guy.
	And I really believe that, you know, the good Lord knows the day that we're not going to be in this realm.
	And if he speaks to that, right, then that tells me that there's something greater beyond this.
	But while I am here, you know, it is my mission to do good with the life that I have and pray, you know, pray for his hand in our life.
	Roman would say, I believe, that the Bible is consistent with simulation theory.
	Yep.
	The story is there's a creator created our world.
	We inhabit it.
	It's a training ground.
	After this, we leave the simulation.
	We go back to heaven.
	I mean, it's the same story, actually.
	Yeah, it can be, but I wonder what he would say about that homeless carpenter that walked around in sandals a couple thousand years ago that died for our sins in our place as our substitute.
	That was God mode.
	That was God mode.
	Okay.
	That was God mode in the game.
	No, the creator sent down God mode Jesus to try to teach people to stop being nitwits.
	Like actual God mode.
	And in Islam, they would say Muhammad is God-mode.
	And in other Buddha and so on, right?
	And in Hinduism, there's like 50 of them, 50 God modes or whatever.
	I'm not, I don't mean any disrespect.
	I just don't know how many gods there are in that religion.
	But it's God-mode avatars being put into the simulation to try to correct the path because humanity kept screwing up bad.
	I mean, read the Old Testament, right?
	Yeah.
	It's like, oh, please, you could do better than this.
	Well, as for me and my simulation, I'm going to just appreciate my God-mode little guy over here on my desk that, you know, I think is his story.
	Yeah.
	God-mode story.
	No, that makes perfect sense.
	But it's also interesting that if God wanted to reset the simulation, that reads like the book of Revelation.
	Yeah, that's true.
	You know, it's like, let's send in the giant space rocks, shake the earth flat, everything's gone.
	The souls are all taken out of the simulation and brought into heaven.
	That's it's all in there.
	I've, you know, I've taught about this chapter a lot.
	Sure.
	And then the planet is reset and it starts over.
	He's like, ah, you know, SimCity, I don't like it.
	Godzilla's going too crazy.
	Let's reboot the game.
	Game over.
	Game over.
	Yeah.
	Game over.
	More quarters.
	Come on.
	More quarters.
	Right.
	And it's interesting that also, even, for example, Buddhism and also like Native American traditions, they have stories of the universe ending and then being reborn and ending and being reborn again and again.
	Even some high-level physicists say, like, you know, the Big Bang, and some of them believe in the big collapse that would become a singularity and then it would explode into Big Bang, you know, 2.0.
	But how do we know it's not version 2 billion?
	Like this has happened billions of times already.
	Valid point.
	Right?
	The big, the big banging, 2 billion bang, 2 billion 1 bang.
	I mean, how do we know?
	I don't know.
	No idea.
	But I'm going to follow the trends, Mike.
	And the trends tell me that there's going to be a day in my simulation where a good steak is going to be $100, not $40, and certainly not $4.
	Yeah, that's probably true.
	So inflation is real in the simulation.
	It is.
	Unfortunately, it is.
	That pushes us towards tilt.
	So, yeah, you know, gold and silver hit all new highs.
	Well, wait, silver is not an all-time high, but gold is an all-time high.
	Silver is back above $40 for the first time, I think, in 11 years.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	It's really something.
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	And that's how I did it right there, melting down.
	That I actually took these photos.
	That's me with the giant ceramic furnace and burning off the polymers to leave the gold behind.
	And it becomes a little gold foil.
	Like there it is.
	You see, that's actually my hand right there.
	You see that picture?
	Yeah.
	If you melt down, that's like a 10 or something.
	That's wild.
	You get this gold foil.
	And then you can further melt that down into a gold ball, like a gold BB.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	And then you can weigh that accurately on an analytical balance.
	And you're like, hey, there's a lot of gold in here.
	See, 0.9197 grams.
	And let me scroll down.
	Here's the results.
	Out of the gold backs, the recovery percentage was always over 100%.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Every time.
	And, you know, Mike, people are listening to your show, watching your broadcasts and such when they're paying for their UNAs in gold backs.
	That literally happened.
	That's awesome.
	Two weeks.
	All gold backs.
	It was crazy.
	Since I've been mentioning gold backs, and again, the website is verifiedgoldbacks.com.
	You know, they've doubled in value.
	Really?
	Yeah, they're over $7 now, quite a bit over $7.
	And they, I mean, they were like maybe $360 or something when I first started mentioning them.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Fascinating to just contemplate.
	I mean, I got them for the utility, right?
	Because it's like, but you're right.
	They are.
	Wow.
	The value is going up in those $10 gold backs, right?
	Totally.
	Totally.
	But I'm going to go.
	I really love your idea.
	I'm going to add a new slogan to Health Ranger Store is use nutrition to live long enough for AI to solve aging.
	Yeah.
	And then maybe you can survive the robot extermination agenda.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Todd, is there anything else you want to add today?
	This has been fun.
	Well, man, it's my brain just is on control alt delete right now because I think my personal simulation is at tilt level.
	And I'm really, really grateful for Roman.
	He was a fantastic guest.
	I hope we can get him back at some point in time.
	And I am really fascinated to read his paper on how to beat this simulation.
	I'm going to find that.
	Yeah.
	You know what, Todd?
	You can find his paper and you can copy the entire text and you can paste it into Enoch and ask it for a summary.
	So you can use our AI to summarize his paper about how to beat the simulation.
	That's a great idea.
	Yeah.
	That's a great idea.
	Man, I use Enoch all the time.
	It's really amazing.
	I was using it in a previous segment and it's just, it's rocking.
	And man, I can't wait until we get, I can't wait for the next six months of what we have planned for Enoch and what, you know, all the data we're processing and the multilingual approaches and everything.
	And right now, I mean, we're continuing to accumulate storage systems and GPUs and we're waiting on the new NVIDIA Blackwell chips.
	That's going to be a game changer, let me tell you.
	And we've got our data center almost done here, our mini data center, which will share the same building with our laboratory.
	Next time you come out, Todd.
	Yep.
	You know, we got a whole new studio almost done.
	We've got to be my next question.
	When is the studio going to be done?
	It's like six weeks out.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	My wife and I are both coming out.
	Okay.
	You're going to love it.
	So whenever you want to make that trip, we'll give you the full tour.
	And until then, keep up the great work, Todd.
	And we'll do a show together in studio.
	We will with the card magic in studio.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	And in the meantime, keep identifying NPCs.
	Okay.
	But don't tell them about the NPCU later agenda that's coming.
	Right.
	Keep it a secret.
	You and me and Roman and the machines know that.
	Okay.
	But the NPCs have no idea.
	You're not even a surprise.
	You know how Phil Jackson, who coached the Chicago Bulls, he was able to patten or whatever the word is for three Pete when they won their third championship in a row.
	Oh, is that right?
	A three-peat.
	Yeah.
	And he made a gazillion dollars off of it because there was these t-shirts for three Pete.
	Huh.
	Anyway, NP, see you later.
	You should protect that.
	Do a shirt.
	Yeah.
	NPCU later.
	That would be a great shirt, man.
	Especially if it was one that would kind of, if you're in the know, it's self-evident.
	But if you're an NPC, it's just going to go right over the head.
	So here, okay, I got it.
	And by the way, for the record, I'm pro-human.
	I'm trying to help humans survive this.
	So this is kind of a joke, but the front of that shirt could say NPCU later, and then the back, Team Skynet.
	But it's a joke.
	It's a joke, folks.
	Yeah.
	Except for the NPCs.
	But I'm pro-human, just to be clear, but we need to use AI to protect humanity from what's coming.
	I mean, we have to be off-grid.
	We have to be decentralized.
	That's, you know, Todd, this show is really pivotal because the skills that we're teaching people, how to grow your own food, how to get off-grid, how to be more self-reliant, this is what's going to help you survive the Skynet scenario for real.
	Absolutely.
	And thank you for these wild posts that you do.
	Like you made my, you made me think this week about how straws can be an important part of our survival kits.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Interesting article.
	That was great.
	That was a great article.
	You know, where can people, where can people go?
	What's the easiest way for people to follow those?
	I always get my download from you on Telegram.
	You know, well, just go straight to naturalnews.com, check the website.
	But I am posting on Telegram under Real Health Ranger, posting on Brighteon.social under Health Ranger, and I'm posting on X under Health Ranger also.
	So you will post that same article across all different platforms, right?
	Yeah, me or my staff.
	Right.
	I don't always post everything.
	You can tell when it's me because it's usually a paragraph complaining about something.
	Usually, like that's that's Mike for sure.
	Yeah.
	Or I'm posting links to our interviews or things like that.
	Yeah.
	Or sometimes a joke.
	Yeah.
	You know, sometimes a joke that not everybody realizes is a joke, but that's okay.
	But it's such a wealth of information.
	And I've really enjoyed it.
	And I turned my wife on to the Telegram channel, yours.
	And she's now coming in the evening saying, oh, did you read this?
	Did you read that?
	It's just cool.
	It's good propaganda.
	Hey, your wife speaks Russian, doesn't she?
	Oh, yeah.
	So we're going to take the highlights of our interviews now and translate them into multiple languages, including Russian and Spanish and Chinese.
	When we do that, can I send you a link for a test and make sure that it's actually correct?
	Like good Russian?
	Yep.
	Yep.
	She'd be happy to.
	Okay.
	Well, my wife speaks Chinese because she's from Taiwan.
	So we can cover Chinese and Russian and English.
	And I'm sure we can find some Spanish-speaking people because I'm in Texas.
	So it shouldn't be a problem.
	You probably got some Cubans living right next door.
	We can solve that problem.
	Is this good Spanish?
	See, see, senor.
	It's good.
	No problem.
	And then converting everything to NPC is real easy.
	You just have a blank bubble above their heads.
	The thinking bubble.
	It's just blank.
	But it's empty.
	Yeah, it's empty.
	We've been mean to the NPCs, but that's.
	That's okay.
	They don't get it.
	They don't even know we're being mean to them because they're not there.
	And ladies and gentlemen, if you are watching this, you are a 2%er.
	I'm just going to say that.
	I talk about it all the time in my consultations.
	People who watch this show and listen to your broadcast, they just don't think like 98% of the population, they have the capacity to perfectly think.
	So we have great, great, great viewers.
	Hey, you know what?
	Last thing, Todd.
	Let me put on my glasses for this.
	Let's, you know what?
	Give me a question that you want me to ask, Enoch.
	Maybe even related to the show today.
	Okay.
	And let's just try it.
	Let's try it real time.
	See what it does.
	All right.
	To beat this simulation.
	What?
	Okay.
	To beat this life simulation.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll call it cosmic simulation.
	How about that?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What references would you use as okay?
	Prompt engineering pop quiz.
	Yeah, to beat the simulation, what resources would you use to achieve the win or something like that?
	I don't know.
	I think we're going to need to provide more context.
	Let me add something here to say assume we are living in a cosmic simulation created by a highly intelligent, extraterrestrial entity that has created the entire universe.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Because technically, God would be extraterrestrial because it's not of Earth.
	I mean, not human, right?
	Okay.
	Way beyond human.
	Okay.
	To beat this cosmic simulation, what resources would you use to achieve the win?
	But we haven't defined the win.
	What's the definition of winning?
	Man, the win would be achieving high moral standards.
	Well, the win would be heaven based upon, you know, biblically, right?
	Okay, okay.
	Achieving sufficient high morality and doing good in the world to make it to heaven.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Is that, oh man, I have no idea what Enoch is going to do with this.
	I know.
	Let's see.
	This is going to be interesting.
	Be interesting.
	All right.
	It's thinking, thinking, thinking.
	It's checking in with lower simulations.
	We have an API to the sub-simulations.
	Okay.
	Here we go.
	To achieve the ultimate goal of heaven.
	Number one, you got to have a spiritual connection, strong relationship with the divine, the creator, regular prayer, meditation, and contemplation.
	Number two, compassion and love.
	Prioritize acts of kindness, love, and compassion.
	Treat all beings with dignity and respect.
	Well, there goes Israel.
	So much for the modern day Israel.
	Okay.
	Moral integrity.
	Maintain a strong moral compass.
	Yeah, that all makes sense.
	Wisdom and knowledge.
	Pursue understanding.
	This is pretty good, Todd, so far.
	Community and connection.
	Foster strong positive relationships.
	Gratitude.
	Express gratitude for the gift of life and stop teasing NPCs.
	Okay.
	Humility.
	Remember you are part of something much larger than yourself.
	This is crazy.
	I'm telling you.
	Enoch is great.
	I actually feel a sense of pride at the moment, which is a sin, apparently.
	But I'm like, I feel because I built this.
	Yes.
	And it's actually pretty good.
	But you know, that sense of pride is offset by your lack of covet because yours already.
	Well, there you go.
	It says, while material possessions, wealth, and earthly achievements may seem appealing, they pale in comparison to the true rewards of living a life of morality, compassion, and wisdom.
	Boom!
	End of the show.
	You should copy.
	Mike freaking drop.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	You can switch back, guys.
	The guys on my video board are kind of slow right now.
	This nails it.
	So, Todd, great question.
	Thank you for that.
	And Enoch rocked it.
	Yeah.
	So there you go.
	I guess you can use AI even for deeper spiritual connection.
	This is how we win.
	Yes.
	It's not about how many Bitcoins you have, actually.
	Yeah.
	Or even gold.
	It was beautifully articulated.
	Good job, Enoch.
	It really was.
	Yeah.
	Enoch rocked it.
	Enoch rocked it.
	Enoch for everyone, man.
	Enoch the rocker.
	Okay, that's why it's named Enoch.
	It's all about hidden knowledge being revealed to humanity.
	So there you go.
	That's at brighttown.ai, folks.
	And it's free and it's non-commercial.
	So enjoy that.
	And Todd, thank you for your time today.
	It's been a great show.
	We always have fun, but today was especially fun.
	It was.
	And thank you, Roman.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Roman.
	Yeah.
	He's the most direct guest, the most succinct.
	I think he's running a summarizer LLM in his head that he's using in real time.
	He's the most high IQ person I've ever talked with.
	He's just like, how can I say this in the fewest words?
	Unlike you and I that are always goofing off, you know.
	Well, I hope he enjoyed my attempt at humor in the beginning where I made the comment that I'm raising the IQ bar in here.
	He didn't really laugh.
	He didn't laugh that much at that one.
	That was self-effacing, Roman.
	I think he laughed inside a little bit at that.
	But we all got your joke.
	He's a very, you know, he's a very direct person.
	So now that we know that, next time we'll prepare with like 50 questions.
	Twice as many questions, right?
	We'll do like a like the Roman question marathon with timers like in a chess game.
	It's like, ask us question, boom, hit the timer.
	That would be funny.
	Yeah.
	We might try that.
	And then send him a gold back for every question he answers.
	And then, based upon some recent experiences, what we can do, remember the gong show?
	Oh, yeah.
	I remember the gong show.
	I'll have a gong and I could turn around and if they go on and on and on and on and on and on.
	Just go boing.
	But he would never do that.
	But we have had other guests that could be gong worthy.
	Could be gong worthy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We would, I'd like to read some of them a novel called Gong with the Wind, actually.
	Oh, I love Thursday nights, man.
	Oh, it's really something.
	Okay, here today, gong tomorrow.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Okay.
	Girls gone wild.
	Okay, too much.
	Now, now we're into the tipsy part of the show.
	This is the after-after party.
	Right, right.
	Okay.
	Todd, have a great rest of your evening.
	Thank you for your time.
	It's been all kinds of fun.
	And folks, tune in.
	Catch all the other episodes at decentralize.tv.
	And most of them are just as much fun and very informative.
	So check them all out there and get ready for the end game of the simulation and the Skynet scenario because it's coming and we will help you survive it no matter what.
	It's our goal.
	Okay, decentralized to survive.
	Thanks for watching today.
	Take care, everybody.
	See ya.
	Cheers.
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	Country of origin, USA.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	There's nothing else added.
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