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	Welcome to today's interview here at the Brighttown.com studios in Central Texas.
	And I'm really honored to be joined by the president of the John Birch Society, which is at jbs.org.
	And it's William Jasper or Bill, as you find.
	Well, welcome, Mr. Jasper.
	Well, honor to have you here.
	Well, thank you very much, Mike.
	I've been watching the natural news and Health Ranger for quite a few years, and I appreciate all the good news that you've been putting out and the bad news.
	And a little bit of both.
	Yeah, I mean, one comes with the other.
	Yeah.
	And as well as all of your nutritional information.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I'm so glad that you're here, that you could take the time to join us.
	And I think your message and the John Birch Society is really critical for our time.
	I think our society had become, like until this election, actually, I think we were really drifting into a world of delusional irrationality and immorality.
	What do you say?
	Well, absolutely.
	You hit it dead on.
	For all of our lifetimes, I mean, I'm in my 70s now, so I grew up in the 50s.
	But throughout all of my lifetime, and even my parents' lifetimes, who they grew up in the 20s and 30s, we have been moving toward a collectivized New World Order.
	In our lifetimes, you're in my lifetimes, we have never seen a moment like this that is pregnant both with peril because, boy, we're after decades of moving toward a socialist,
	communist, globalist system where power is being concentrated at governmental levels, institutional levels, concentrated and centralized, we are very close to losing all of our liberties and descending into a surveillance state, a totally digitized Chinese Communist Party type of state, control.
	But at the same moment, we're technology and the result of all these decades of drift in that direction, at the same time, we now have a potential turnaround point, a paradigm shift, which we saw in 2016 with the election of Donald Trump.
	The John Birch Society produced a magazine, The New American, in 1995, a special 90-page issue called Our Conspiracy Issue, and that was on the cover.
	And what we did was we traced this going back organizationally in the past century, but then philosophically going back to the French Revolution and showing how we've been moving in this direction during all that time.
	And there were organizations which were specifically, it's not just a natural drift of history.
	We have specific organizations and individuals that have been guiding us and pushing us in that direction.
	Absolutely.
	And so we have a fold out showing all of the administrations going back to Herbert Hoover onward and how organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, which is really the main brain trust.
	They call themselves the wise men that have been leading this push for what they call the new world order.
	And it was the same through Republican and Democrat administrations.
	And so Americans kind of got used to the idea that the more things change, the more they stay the same, because liberal left Democrats would move us in that direction and then conservative or so-called conservative Republicans, rhinos, would keep us moving in the internationalist globalist direction.
	That hasn't completely changed under Donald Trump, but for the first time in our lifetimes, we have a non-globalist president who has shaken off.
	We don't have anywhere near the number of Council on Foreign Relations, trilateralists, Bilderbergers in all of those key positions of power.
	Those institutions and individuals and organizations that are commonly referred to as the deep state, the permanent government, the swamp that has taken control of our government.
	And so there is this mammoth fight going on.
	And we are right in the middle of it.
	It's economic, it's political, it's social, it's moral, it's spiritual.
	And it strikes me that for most of the years that this has been going on, the mere discussion of it earned all of us eye rolls and accusations of tinfoil hats and so on.
	Do you feel that right now, based on the history of what the John Birch Society has written, in many cases very early, you saw it coming.
	And I actually share this with you.
	Like I was warning about big pharma in 2005 and everybody is a 99% trust.
	But do you feel vindicated to some degree right now?
	Well, very much so and heartened because, as you say, for many years, you try to tell people about something, they go, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, and you, conspiracy theorists, racist, anti-Semite, anti-government, denialist, et cetera.
	Those, thankfully, those insults, those showstoppers don't work anymore.
	There's still some people that are affected by it.
	But now, I mean, just up to a few years ago, anytime you mentioned that, well, COVID, all this stuff about COVID is not adding up, or we really aren't in the throes of a climate change crisis, people go, oh, conspiracy theorist, weirdo, you know, tinfoil hat.
	And that would shut everything down.
	It's not working anymore.
	And so that is very heartening.
	I do feel vindicated.
	You know, one of the things that we were, I was interviewing Rachel Maddow at the CPAC when she came by our thing.
	I had a setup like this.
	And Rachel Maddow came by.
	You were interviewing Rachel Maddow, huh?
	And she came by and she said, oh, John Erskine, you were the guys that said that fluoridation was a communist plot.
	And I said, well, no, you're wrong.
	We were opposed to fluoridation.
	We are opposed to it because it is government-mandated medical therapy.
	And we have a right to choose what we put in our mouths.
	Absolutely.
	And she insisted on making a mockery of that.
	However, what's happened just in the last couple of years, all of a sudden, now a lot of the medical scientific community is agreeing with what we were saying and what scientists were saying decades ago, that this is not a good thing.
	And that's why most of the rest of the world rejected that.
	And that same trend is happening now against climate cultism.
	So what's really interesting to me is now that we see Lee Zeldon at the EPA, and he's canceling tens of billions of dollars in EPA grants, and the Trump administration took down, for the most part, USAID or USAID, all the parts of the CO2 endangerment.
	Well, that's, I mean, I think that's still in the courts right now, right?
	But the degree to which our government took our taxpayer money and then used it to fund fraudulent junk science psyops against us is only now becoming apparent.
	Yeah, and it was very apparent to us long ago before I even went to the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.
	So I've been our correspondent at the United Nations for over 30 years.
	I've handed that off to Alex Newman, who is doing a great job.
	He covers that along with Andrew Mueller and Steve Bonta at some of the events.
	But in 1992, I was our only one there in Rio de Janeiro at the Earth Summit, where the global warming, acid rain, all of the different crises, deforestation, all of this was being launched as polycrises that had to put us into panics to give centralized government, including centralized world government, more and more control.
	And back at the time, there were no other conservative journalists at these UN events.
	The only other one who was there at that time, and she wasn't a journalist, was Governor Dixie Lee Ray, who had been the governor of Washington.
	She was a scientist, and she was head of the Atomic Energy Commission at one point.
	And she had actually received a UN prize for science a few years before.
	But she got red-pilled and she said, well, wait a minute, there's something's wrong with all of this.
	So I ran into her at the Earth Summit and she was the only other sane person there.
	We had thousands of all the journalists from all the fake news networks from all over the world, and they were simply regurgitating everything that at that time, the whole UN superstructure there under Mikhail Gorbachev and the other globalists that they were putting out,
	that we had to radically transform America and all human activity on the Earth.
	And that's when they launched Agenda 21, which has morphed into Agenda 2030.
	And Bill, with what we know now, there are catastrophic implications of those decisions for Western civilization.
	So right now, there's a huge military race for advanced artificial intelligence, AI superintelligence.
	And the primary input of that is power.
	Of course, you need microchips, but mostly power is the bottleneck.
	So China is currently able to produce over 10,000 terawatt hours of electricity annually, which is more than twice what the USA produces at about 4,400, at least that's 2024 numbers.
	We have been crippled because of the climate policies, the manipulation of the entire scientific community to only give them grant money if they were climate cultists.
	And we saw the, quote, scientific community lose its mind, not just on COVID, but also on climate and transgenderism, this idea that a boy can become a girl, or that you can create energy from nothing.
	Like solar panels work when the sun doesn't shine.
	These are insane ideas, but they have dominated our politics so long.
	I did a couple of articles on this over the years, one a couple of years ago, referring to it as Lysenkoism.
	And so Lysenko was the Soviet scientist.
	He was a fraud.
	But Stalin gave him carte blanc, and he set back Soviet science in all fields because he claimed that his scientific theories were the only ones and all the scientists caved in and they went along with it.
	And Lysenko originally focused primarily on food production and he destroyed their food production, caused famine.
	China followed his example and began doing Lysenkoism there and destroyed their science and created famine there.
	There were Western scientists who were all enthralled with this new Soviet science and were calling him the new prophet.
	We've seen the same thing now, as you pointed out, with COVID, with all this transgenderism, with energy.
	All of these things are corrupting and have corrupted science because as soon as the government gets into there and starts giving out the grants, they then dictate where that's going to go.
	So buy the results they want.
	Right.
	And so if they want to convince all of us of a pandemic or that we need to eat bugs, they can come up with scientific studies that say, and they've corrupted all the journals and the so-called peer review process.
	They buy off all these guys, either buy them off or threaten them with cancellation if they don't get in with the mob with the group.
	Absolutely, that's how it happens.
	And in the UK, they have imaginary temperature data centers that they make up and they report record high temperatures to support global warming.
	They don't even exist.
	Right.
	And now they can do it all just digitally.
	They still rely on a lot of so one of the things that I've written about is the weather centers all across the United States.
	You've probably done that.
	Anthony Watt from What's Up With That, he has a website.
	He's a meteorologist and he put together all the yeah he put together a group of scientists and students and graduate students and they went around to all the weather centers and they saw that the data that they were getting from the thermometers in these areas were all in violation.
	They were in urban heat island areas where they're right at the parking lots.
	Parking lots on tarmac.
	And it says right there in their Data protocols in their weather station protocols that know they have to be in grassy areas.
	They have to be in white painted instrument cages, all of the things, all in violation.
	I mean, you go to the hardware store or to Walmart or any place and buy a thermometer for your external ambient temperature, and it will say on there, don't put it on your patio or near rocks or bricks or whatnot, put it in the shade.
	And they have all of these in violation.
	So, of course, you're going to get record heat signatures all over the place.
	And then that crisis is used to destroy economic productivity, to destroy energy infrastructure, which the Trump administration is now attempting to rebuild and kind of pick up where he left off at the end of his first term.
	But we are years behind, like I said before.
	And at the same time, I think this gets to the spiritual war aspect of this.
	And I notice you're wearing not just a cross, but with Jesus on the cross.
	That's a very dedicated necklace that you've got there.
	It looks wonderful, by the way.
	Thank you.
	I think Jesus of Nazareth, above all, wanted people to see with clarity the truth about what's happening around them and to see through the sorcery.
	But I believe we are living under sorcery of some kind.
	Like, what could cause an entire population to lose its mind and believe in transgenderism?
	Right.
	Nobody knows who's a man and who's a woman, and you can choose that, and you don't even have to choose it.
	Your kids can get it from a teacher or a counselor at school and be told that, hey, you need to be surgically mutilated, and we're going to inject you with a bunch of life-changing, life-threatening hormones.
	I mean, it's insanity.
	It's insanity.
	So we see this.
	How does this happen in a society?
	I believe it's because we have lost our way.
	Jesus said, if you know the truth, you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
	Well, the converse of that is if you follow the lie, you're going to be enslaved.
	And we are being enslaved because we are following lies.
	And science, true science, is truth.
	And what we are seeing in so much of what is declared to be science now by the deep state, by big pharma, by big business and whatnot, is anti-science, anti-truth, anti-human.
	And that is why we have many of these gurus of technology, the technocracy, telling us that we're going beyond human.
	We're going to be transhuman.
	You're going to be better if you become cyborg, if you have chips implanted in you, if you have all of these unhuman parts, non-human parts placed in you.
	And so you've probably seen, maybe you've shown on your program, particularly in Sweden, but in other places in Europe and even some places here in the United States where they have chipping parties and they're putting the chips in them.
	If you go on YouTube, there's even some I just saw recently that's still up there.
	In Sweden, when they started doing this about six, seven years ago, they'd have all these college-age students coming there, and they were having this put in.
	This one girl is there with her dad, who's a professor, and she's a student she's having to put in.
	And she says, see, we're a cyborg family.
	Oh, wow.
	And they think that's great.
	They think that's great.
	They said, yes, we're the new cyborg.
	And they then gloat about how wonderful it is.
	See, I can just walk into the train station.
	I can walk into the store and just hold my hand out there.
	The sign of the beast.
	Yeah, what's amazing, though, is how these people, and in our society, as people have become more distant from faith, and we've seen a stark decline in the number of churches over the last 30 years.
	And they're burning down and shooting up.
	Yeah, they're deliberately burning churches across Western Europe, right, to get rid of the entire Christian tradition in Western Europe.
	But I think it can only be someone who is disconnected from their Creator, who thinks it's a great idea to become less human and more machine.
	Yeah, I mean, you are placing man in the position of God.
	And you are saying I and these other men, humans, are going to determine my future.
	I am going to be exalted above what God has made me.
	I mean, such faulty faith when people who believe that, but it's a very common thing and our focus in our world of materialism.
	And so I'm bypassing the things that should really be important for faith.
	But it seems to me that where this is going is going to be rather catastrophic for society if we don't take a strong pivot at this point, which brings us back to the importance of your work.
	Well, yes.
	And so we are at that point where we can pivot.
	We can, and we must have this paradigm shift because to continue on this same path is the suicide not only of America, of the nation state, but really of the human race.
	Yes.
	And so that portends something very apocalyptic because I know as a Christian that God wins in the end.
	God has already won.
	But He has placed us here in this specific time in our specific circumstances in our specific area or wherever we are.
	And He's giving us an opportunity to participate in that fight, to fight the good fight, and to, when we appear before Him, be able to hear from Him, well done, good and faithful servant.
	And that's how I view this, because I've been doing this for now 50 years, and I have interviewed many people who are survivors of the Gulag in the Soviet Union, people from all over the world, survivors from the killing fields in Cambodia, from Vietnam.
	And so I've seen the victims of Nazism, of communism, terrorism all over the world.
	And I've worked in this now for quite a few years.
	And people say, well, don't you get depressed at all these terrible things?
	I say, well, yes, there are a lot of terrible things happening in the world.
	I get very upset with the Holocaust of abortion.
	You know, we've had worldwide, you know, 100 million or more abortions.
	And that's a slaughter.
	And so, yeah, that is depressing.
	But I know that ultimately God is going to correct this.
	He does win.
	If I stay on his side, I'm on the winning team.
	What we leave with when we leave this world is our track record of our morality, our courage, our ethics.
	You know, he even says in Revelation that one of the sins is cowardice.
	Yeah.
	So we're called to be brave, courageous soldiers, warriors in this fight.
	And regardless of how old one is, how infirm or healthy one is, how wealthy or poverty-stricken one is, we each every day are given challenges and battles to fight.
	And it might be overcoming problems in our family, problems in my life, my health, or battles.
	So many people are under the drug cartels, whether they're in Mexico or anywhere in Latin America.
	I'm in touch with a lot of people in Africa and Nigeria and whatnot, and they're suffering from Islamic jihadis who are coming in and shooting up their churches, killing them.
	So we're all faced with challenges every day, and those are good.
	God gives them to us to overcome them in one way or another.
	And so that is our challenge.
	And so when I look around today, I see the forces of evil, so to speak, organized in a lot of different ways.
	And one of the things that the John Birch Society has focused on, and a lot of people couldn't understand this for many years, but it's now becoming quite obvious the dangers.
	That is the United Nations and all of its agencies.
	We saw just a couple of years ago an agency of the UN, the World Health Organization, who most people had never heard of before.
	But we have Dr. Ted Rose Gabrieus, and he is a former terrorist himself from Africa.
	And he and the WHO shut down the whole planet.
	And they have all their people like Fauci in every country.
	And this has never happened before in human history.
	And Stalin couldn't have dreamed, or Mao couldn't have dreamed of having that kind of power.
	And so they had really earth-shattering power, and they did shatter a lot of lights, destroyed a lot of businesses, probably people you know whose businesses were shut down and never have recovered from it.
	Well, yeah.
	But the thing that concerns me is how easily and quickly the United States of America went along with it, not just the federal government, but the local governments and the counties.
	So we were exempt from closure because we are a food facility.
	And that was considered a critical business.
	And for some reason, Walmart was also considered a critical business.
	Right.
	Casinos in a lot of places.
	Yeah, like you couldn't go to church.
	But in some states, you could still visit a dancing bar or pole dancing bar.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So, I mean, they're picking and choosing what's going on.
	It kind of shows you some warped priorities of various policymakers that we have allowed to usurp control over our institutions.
	And much of it was done outside of constitutional authority.
	But most of the elected, constitutionally elected officials at the state and local level were either bought off or frightened off because this was a new threat that they didn't know how to deal with, and they simply yielded to the medical dictatorship.
	But that's why the John Birch Society, it's so important, the work that you do across the board, because you're teaching people to not automatically just say yes to obedient authorities.
	You have to think critically.
	You have to understand that the rights begin with the person, not the government.
	Right.
	The people.
	And I know a lot of people learned a very hard lesson since COVID, but COVID also shows how automatically and easily most people give in to authority claims in the middle of fear, even if the fear is largely unjustified.
	Yeah, so I just, in coming down here, I went through several airports and I just traveled recently, again, across the country through several airports, and I noticed at every airport when I went through the TSA thing, I'm sorry to say I was the only person in long lines as we were going through when they said, please step up to have your face scanned.
	I said, no, I prefer not, and I just hand them my...
	So they're all using face scanners now?
	All of the airports now.
	Oh, because I haven't traveled in a long time.
	Yeah, so that just came about.
	And again, here's, so, you know, at the New American, we have been big defenders of Donald Trump on many things.
	And much of what I've been talking about here, I talk about the paradigm shift, is the result of the Trump administration in 45 and 47.
	Yes.
	You know, this anti-global.
	But for whatever reason, he has fallen victim to those who, just like after 9-11, went along with the Patriot Act and all of these things.
	They're convincing him that, oh, we need the real ID, and even the real ID isn't up.
	You know, it passed 20 years ago, but we held it off all this time.
	And now the most conservative president says, oh, we need the real ID.
	So we put the real ID in, but that's not enough.
	Now TSA, which already had started pushing for the face scans, they only had, well, they introduced it in Biden's administration, but they only had like 40 airports.
	Now, under President Trump, they rolled it out in 400 airports.
	And so every time you go in there, they take a face scan, and they say TSA's website, I just did a couple stories on this, says, oh, these won't be kept permanently, and they're not mandatory.
	But you don't see any signs of that.
	And everybody, it's just like with COVID.
	Everybody comes up there and they say, oh, step up to the thing, to the camera.
	And everybody stands up and does it.
	It's amazing.
	First time I went there, I thought, okay, if I say no, then they're going to strip search me, you know, do all this stuff.
	But they didn't.
	I said, I prefer not.
	And I hand them, I said, just look at me in there.
	And so they, it's supposed to, by scanning your face and you're a techie, then they can match it up to your card and make sure that you're that person.
	And they say, we're not going to keep it.
	But of course they're going to keep it.
	So in my article, I quoted the guy, David Perosky, who's the former, he just stepped down or was fired by Trump as head of TSA.
	He was interviewed by the Dallas Morning News, and he said, well, it's voluntary for now.
	He said, eventually there won't be an option.
	So they're getting people used to it, just like the scanners that you had to walk, you still have to walk through.
	Well, people go along with the tyranny so automatically, it's almost like there's a slave mentality in it.
	That group think that Borg mentality, that you're just going to be absorbed in this.
	I don't want to be different.
	I don't want to cause any problems.
	You know, that's why TSA likes to keep a certain amount of line length so that before you go into the scanner or whatever, there's 50 people before you that did it.
	And so that creates conformity.
	And there's all these people behind you and you don't want to cause trouble for them.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So it's very psychologically manipulative.
	And so, I mean, the fact is now you don't have to go up and get your face scanned.
	Well, I'm really glad that you're standing with your principles on this.
	It's critical.
	I've also been critical of Trump on some of these issues as well.
	Now, here we have the question that the justification today for the big, beautiful bill and the surveillance towers and the AI surveillance grid that's being rolled out now, the excuse is illegals crossing the border, which is, of course, a huge problem.
	The Democrats use it for massive vote fraud, et cetera, census fraud.
	We've been hitting that for decades, literally back in 1980, in the mid-1980s, so over 40 years ago, I was one of the only journalists who went the whole southern border with camera crews, videotaping, all of the illegal.
	This was during the Reagan administration.
	Wow.
	We had a massive problem back then.
	And not like the huge caravans that we saw in the last during the Biden surge, but we still had thousands coming across, including from over 100 countries, including from Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, China, Communist China.
	I mean, sometimes when I was down on the border, they'd have a whole line of Chinese communists coming across the border.
	I was there with the Border Patrol.
	Sometimes I'd go with Border Patrol, sometimes just on my own, sometime with sheriffs from here in Texas.
	And so the title was Out of Control, the Immigration Invasion.
	I mean, and that was in the early 80s.
	And by the time we published it, put out the video, which is still on the internet on YouTube, in 1988.
	That was two years after President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, IRCA, which gave us our first big amnesty, which we said that will just be a chain of amnesties, and we had three more after.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	That was supposed to be the final deal.
	Yeah.
	And so no more.
	And we said at the time, this will lead to eventually a crisis in which we will all suffer and lose our liberties because then how do you deport that many people?
	You have to go out and identify them.
	Well, you've nailed it.
	I mean, so that's the excuse now for the Trump administration to build the surveillance grid.
	Now, this surveillance grid will do everything from facial recognition to gate analysis to metadata analysis, the whole Palantir type of database.
	And yeah, maybe for the first time.
	And Palantir has been welcomed into and embraced.
	Right.
	And we've got the Pentagon saying, you know, we're going to use troops locally in the cities because they're lawless, and they are lawless.
	Sure.
	So this is real.
	This is happening.
	And then Trump's not going to be president forever, or he may fall to the influence of a bad apple in his administration who says, hey, Mr. Trump, we should turn all the surveillance tools.
	We should turn it on the American people.
	And then, or somebody after Trump says that.
	Or he's assassinated.
	Right.
	In a few months, we have the next elections and the Democrats take control of the House and begin impeachment again.
	They would immediately.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So how big of a concern is this for you and the John Burch Society?
	Well, it's very much a concern because liberty is a very precious and fragile commodity.
	And if you do not guard it, if you do not fight for it, you're going to lose it.
	And we are losing it.
	I mean, we're losing it piecemeal.
	No one knows exactly at what point you reach that level where you lose it completely because as we see all of these police state measures being put into play, those can be ratcheted up once the structure, the infrastructure, the force structure is put in there.
	And with AI and digitalization of everything, particularly the push for central bank digital currency.
	But it looks like an alternative to that is the corporate stablecoin digital currency, which can accomplish essentially the same thing.
	You can be debanked, your finances completely canceled, your ability to travel canceled, with smart meters on your throughout the whole power grid and on your home and on your business, you can have your electricity shut off, your water shut off, your ability to heat and heat for your family and your business, all of that can be controlled.
	So we have to be concerned about those things and to fight back against those centralized controls.
	100%.
	And this is where the states come in and local control comes in because the states under our constitutional system have the reserved powers.
	All of those powers that aren't enumerated, that aren't specifically delegated to the federal government under the Constitution are reserved to the states and to the people.
	It says it right there, 10th Amendment.
	And so our state attorney generals, our state governors, our state legislatures, they have to step up.
	And they're only going to do that if we make them.
	That's right.
	You're exactly right.
	And that is a really critical point.
	I'm glad you brought that up because I'm very concerned that about okay, let me back up a little bit.
	This grid, the surveillance grid that could be easily justified today based on invasions or terrorists or whatever, this grid.
	School shootings.
	School shootings.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This grid, right now, it might be run by humans in the government who have a human heart.
	They have a human soul.
	Some do something.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Even if it's a dark soul, they have a soul.
	They may have already mortgaged it to Satan or something, but they're still human versus the automation effort is going to push AI to turn the knobs and pull the levers on all of these infrastructure.
	Mechanical, robotic, soulless, and pitiless.
	And having no childhood as a human, no memory, no mother, no soul, no connection with our creator, nothing.
	Right.
	And so those forces will be directed by some evil human.
	Yeah, probably.
	Yeah, we can think of a few.
	So, and that's what we're dealing with now.
	People need to realize that we are dealing with criminal elements, very evil people who want to take away our liberties, our lives, want to control us.
	And the Founding Fathers recognized this.
	They knew about all of human history, how this worked.
	And so we are jeopardizing everything by frivolously allowing, casually allowing these threats to our family, to our children, our grandchildren.
	We have been given, you and I and everybody living here in this country, we have been given a legacy that the rest of humanity throughout history has not enjoyed.
	We have huge, huge obligations on us to preserve that.
	Yeah, absolutely, we do.
	And I'm not sure that the John Birch Society really hits the following topic head on, but I do, and I think it's right in line with what you're saying, which is depopulation.
	So I believe there is an intentional anti-human agenda underway to go anywhere from, quote, depopulation to maybe extermination.
	And I believe that everything that we've talked about today, from the destruction of the family, destruction of energy infrastructure, destruction of human rights, destruction of reason, these are all designed to really compromise human civilization.
	I agree.
	And so we have had, when I was in college in the early 70s, I went into university in 1970.
	Big things at that time were the population bomb by Paul Ehrlich.
	All the environmentalist movement was getting launched at that time.
	It's a phony environment.
	I'm an environmentalist.
	I know you are too.
	I mean, I live in my little ranch.
	I've always taken care of the environment.
	Absolutely.
	So they have co-opted and usurped control over that.
	They are really destroying the environment besides depopulating the planet.
	Yes, so the push and the propaganda for limiting population and actually depopulating the planet has been carried out very enthusiastically in every communist regime once they get total control.
	So we saw it in China.
	We saw it in Ukraine.
	We saw it in Russia.
	We've seen it every single one.
	They believe that, okay, we've got to get rid of, first we're going to get rid of all the rebels, first, then we're going to get rid of.
	So we see these massive genocides going on in every communist socialist government.
	And the greenies here who are environ Leninists believe and in much of their writing have called for less population.
	Al Gore, Jacques Cousteau, all of these people are infamous for calling for depopulation.
	Bill Gates and David Rockefeller and Goldberg, what's your name?
	The gal that has the big program on television.
	Anyway, they have the Good Club, and they actually call for depopulating the planet.
	And so, yes, we see it in their abortion policies, in their promotion of homosexuality, and because if you're homosexual residues, you're not going to be reproducing.
	We see it in all of the vaccination programs that they're carrying out throughout the third world, many of which are sterilization programs.
	So we see it in the pandemics, plandemics that they're executing.
	We see it in their policies which have limited malaria pesticides that would stop the malaria mosquitoes.
	All these, and then of course we see it in their way, the globalist plans for centralizing control over all the food and having us eat bugs and taking control of all the abilities of people to have access to water and be able to farm.
	And let me add that about the food supply, and this gets back to faith.
	You know, the grape, the vine, is the first fruit mentioned in the Old Testament, right?
	And mentioned throughout the Bible.
	And the grape contains the seed, the grape seed, which even modern science is absolutely documenting and proving the anti-cancer effects of the grape seed.
	I mean, it just destroys cancer tumors when you combine it with vitamin C, right?
	Well, so our food supply sells seedless grapes.
	Seedless grape.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah, it's so convenient.
	You don't have those nasty little seeds.
	Right.
	And again, that's where most of the nutrition is in the skin and the seeds.
	So I don't call them seedless grapes.
	I call them godless grapes.
	Good point.
	Because God put the seed in the grapes.
	Right.
	So that we could have this medicine.
	And then he told everybody about it.
	Look, the vine, this is part of your abundance in your journey.
	The land of milk and honey and vines.
	Don't forget it, right?
	Because anyway, you get my point.
	Yeah.
	So now we have shadow food.
	Yeah, and we have fake meat and all these other things.
	Right.
	So I'm a carnivore.
	I'm an omnivore.
	Yeah, you're in Texas.
	You can't leave without biology.
	I went to a barbecue place last night.
	Great.
	So, yeah, I'm on my little farm, and I've raised goats and sheep and pigs and ducks and chickens and rabbits.
	And I don't really have the pastures for having cattle.
	So my neighbors down the hill, I'm up on the mountain looking out over the valley.
	My neighbors down in the valley, they have a big ranch, they raise cattle.
	So I go down and I get one of the cattle there.
	I shoot it down there, bring it up to my place, butcher it.
	And so not everybody can do that.
	But we have to make America healthy again.
	As I go through the airports or any place, I'm almost overwhelmed at times by how unhealthy every time I have to bring everything with me if I travel.
	But it is possible and we have to turn a corner there and make a paradigm shift there and eat real food, exercise, do those.
	We're mind, body, and spirit and we have to take care of all of those.
	God has made us a composite being and so we can't deaden our minds with video games like millions of children are and daily watching everything, spending eyes glued to the dumb phone.
	So all of those things are individual things that we have to take care of ourselves.
	But one of the things we have to do is pray for our families, for our communities, for our society, for our country.
	But then we have to work for it too.
	We have to fight for it.
	And God has given us this time here on earth, each of us, and we don't know when we're going, but right now there are plenty of battles that we need to fight.
	Well said.
	And let me ask you, too, I want to mention a couple websites.
	ThenewAmerican.com is, and you're the editor of The New American, correct?
	I'm a senior editor.
	Senior editor.
	Okay.
	Wonderful publication.
	We indexed The New American at our censored.news index site.
	So there it is.
	Check out The New American.
	Oh, yeah, you're covering the Fed Governor Lisa Cook.
	Yep.
	That's funny.
	This is a really interesting conflict about the authority of the executive over the Federal Reserve.
	Yes, so we've been told that the Federal Reserve is independent.
	So who does it answer to?
	So you're, of course, familiar with the Jekyll Island setup of when it was first established.
	And my good friend George Griffin, whom I worked with for almost 50 years, wrote the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, which was the first one to really explain and expose all of that.
	And we're dealing with, at the Federal Reserve, really the center of the global conspiracy for control.
	If you control the money supply, you control people's ability to work and have commerce, then you can take control of all the rest of things.
	The printing of currency has become the single greatest vector of evil in our world.
	And like you said, it allows them unlimited control.
	While the average American has no idea why groceries are more and more expensive.
	And they're going to continue.
	I mean, and this is one of the things where, you know, we have to rightfully criticize President Trump.
	He is continuing with the spendthrift policies where trillions and trillions of dollars.
	And, you know, he's in a tough pickle.
	He's been handed a disaster, and he has dozens of different things that are real crises and emergencies that he has to deal with.
	But we do have to get a handle on the spending.
	Every one of those trillions of dollars of debt requires us to pay more and more interest.
	And who are we paying it to?
	The same guys that created this system.
	Trump, I think, has a history of rescuing bankrupt casinos.
	And a bankrupt casino is what the United States has become.
	Yes.
	So he might be the right guy to drag us out of that.
	But you've got to get money from someone else.
	And last I saw, the Treasury, the 10-year auction didn't do that well.
	No.
	And I think you're going to find fewer and fewer people are willing to jump into that auction.
	Why?
	Yeah, why wouldn't you just buy gold at this point?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, Bill, it's been a pleasure.
	Oh, let me give out your website again, jbs.org for John Birch Society.
	That's the main website.
	And tell our audience what they can find there other than the articles, but what is the site?
	At the JBS.org for the John Birch Society, you can find out.
	First of all, we urge you to investigate us.
	You'll see on our website right now, we have our leadership conference coming up.
	General Michael Flynn is going to be one of the keynote speakers, Catherine Austin Fitz.
	Of course, my good colleague Alex Newman is going to be one of the keynote speakers.
	I will be there.
	All of our other top leadership will be there.
	Pastor Matt Truella is also going to be a speaker.
	And we have some others coming too that are going to be surprise guest speakers.
	And so this is going to be a great opportunity to get together with top patriots from all over the country.
	And then further on in our website, you can join the John Birch Society.
	You will get our magazine and will get our monthly bulletin.
	And you can, if they have one in your area, and most cities, most towns have a chapter of the John Birch Society, if not several.
	In my relatively small city, we have four chapters.
	Really?
	Daytime and evening.
	And so you can actually get together with other people in your community, fellow citizens, and find out what you can do locally on key issues that are happening there.
	We're fighting.
	Most people don't realize that Agenda 2030 is operating in every community and you have these new vision plans and things.
	They're all tied into the sustainable development goals of Agenda 2030.
	And if you're not familiar with those, you need to be because that's your plan.
	That's anti-human.
	That's what the United Nations President of the Assembly said is the master plan for humanity.
	Now, if you have a master plan, that means somebody's the master that's doing the planning.
	Sometimes I think that extraterrestrial AI wrote these plans and handed them to the globalists.
	Well, it looks that way sometimes.
	So you can work at the local level because we have to do that, but you have state legislators and a governor.
	And we have now produced, it's taken us a long time to do, it's a huge task.
	We have report cards, scorecards on all the state legislators.
	So all you have to do is put in your zip code there, your address, and it'll tell you who your state legislator, who your state representative, your state senator is.
	You can see how they voted on key bills.
	We give you a breakdown of the bills.
	We give you a summary of them.
	And then if you want to go in depth, it gives you more of an explanation.
	And then it takes you directly to the official website.
	Wow, that's powerful.
	That was a huge undertaking.
	We have great people doing that.
	So we have that at the congressional level also, so that most Americans, unfortunately, think that, oh, okay, every four years, I'll put a bumper sticker on my car and I'll go out and vote and think that that's doing their civic duty.
	It's not.
	That's not even the bare minimum.
	You first have to get yourself informed.
	You have to vote for the right person.
	How do you do that?
	It's not just the president, but Congress was given most of the powers.
	Article 1, Section 1, Paragraph 1, Sentence 1 of the U.S. Constitution says, all legislative powers here in Granada shall be vested in a Congress of the United States composed of a Senate and a House of Representatives, all legislative powers.
	So that means the President can't make laws.
	The judges can't make laws.
	Unfortunately, they do.
	They do.
	And Congress lets them get away with it.
	And the agencies can't make laws.
	That's right.
	All of that smorgasbord of agencies of triple-digit alphabet agencies cannot make laws legally.
	And so how do we hold them accountable?
	Well, Congress has that power, but they're not going to do it if we don't hold them accountable.
	So we're helping you hold them accountable.
	And in fact, my congressman, who's a good congressman, he scores very well on our website, on our scoreboard.
	But he had resisted signing on to, as co-sponsor, to a very important bill, the DEFUND Act, which was introduced in both the House and the Senate to cut off all funding to the United Nations and all of its agencies.
	But a number of us in our chapter, we just kept at him.
	And finally, he told his office manager, he said, wow, let's sign on to it.
	So he signed on just last week.
	And it shows, and that's been happening all over the country.
	If you hold them accountable, not all of them.
	I mean, if you have an AOC or somebody like that, you might not Rashida Tlaib.
	You might not be able to get them to change their mind.
	We can affect things, and we have to resist the temptation that many people have to say resistance is futile.
	It's never going to change.
	That's a cop-out.
	It's an excuse.
	It excuses me from carrying on the fight that I'm called to make.
	Well, I'm honored that you're here.
	We absolutely agree with that level of informed activism that's also in alignment with our human values.
	That's really critical to me.
	With that said, I will offer that if we can help you with, you know, we have AI technology.
	Yeah, I was well-trained on reality.
	It actually beats every other engine in the world on these kinds of questions that we're talking about.
	Well, I'm excited we talked about this before the show, and I really want to pursue that because that'd be a huge help.
	I'd love to, I can demonstrate some things that you could do with your website and your content using this technology.
	I think you'd find it extraordinary.
	But anyway, we'll talk about that after the show.
	It's great to have you here.
	Like Price.
	And for all of you watching, visit jbs.org.
	That's the John Birch Society.
	And our guest today, Bill Jasper, is the president of the John Birch Society.
	So we're very fortunate to have you here in Texas.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you for making the trip and spreading the word.
	And again, you can also visit thenewamerican.com.
	And Alex Newman, who I've interviewed before, is one of the key writers there as well.
	A lot of great content.
	That's why we even index the New American at our website, censored.news.
	So check it all out.
	And thank you for watching today.
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