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Sept. 8, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams and Bill Jasper of the John Birch Society Discuss the New World Order, Surveillance State, and the
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Welcome to today's interview here at the Brytown.com studios in Central Texas.
And I'm really honored to be joined by the president of the John Birch Society, which is at JBS.org.
And it's William Jasper, or Bill, as you've Bill's fine.
Well, welcome, Mr. Jasper.
Well, it's an honor to have you here.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Well, thank you very much, uh Mike.
I've been watching uh the natural news and Health Ranger for quite a few years, and I appreciate all the good news that you've been putting out and the bad news.
And uh little bit of both.
It's one comes with the other.
Yeah.
And uh as well as all of your uh nutritional information.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Well, I'm so glad that you're here, that you could take the time to join us, and I think your message and the John Birch Society is really critical for our time.
I think our society had become, like until this election, actually, I think we were really drifting into a world of delusional irrationality and immorality.
Uh what do you say?
Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
Well, uh absolutely uh you hit it uh dead on for all of our lifetimes.
I mean, I'm in my 70s now, so I grew up in the 50s, uh, but throughout all of my lifetime, and even my parents' lifetimes, who they grew up in the 20s and 30s, we have been moving toward a collectivized new world order.
In our lifetimes, you're in my lifetimes, we have never seen a moment like this that is uh pregnant both with peril, because boy, we're after decades of moving toward a socialist,
communist, globalist system where power is being concentrated at governmental levels, institutional levels, concentrated and centralized, uh, we are very close to losing all of our liberties and descending into a surveillance state, a totally digitized uh uh Chinese Communist Party type of uh state control.
Uh but at that at the same moment where technology and the result of all these decades of drift in that direction, at the same time, we now have a potential turnaround point, a paradigm shift, which we saw in uh 2016 with the election of Donald Trump.
The John Birch Society produced a magazine, uh The New American in 1995, a special 90-page issue called our conspiracy issue, and that was on the cover.
And what we did was we traced this uh going back organizationally in the past century, but then philosophically going back to the French Revolution and showing how we've been moving in this direction during all that time.
And there were organizations which were specifically it's not just a natural drift of history.
We have specific organizations and individuals that have been guiding us and pushing us in that direction.
Absolutely.
And so we we have a fold out showing all of the administrations going back to Herbert Hoover onward and how organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, uh, which is really the the main brain trust, they call themselves the wise men that have been leading this push for what they call the new world order.
And it was the same through Republican and Democrat administrations.
And so Americans kind of got used to the idea that the more things change, the more they stay the same, because liberal left democrats would move us in that direction, and then conservative or so-called conservative Republicans, rhinos would keep us moving in the internationalist globalist direction.
That hasn't completely changed under Donald Trump, but for the first time in our lifetimes, uh we have a non-globalist president who has shaken off.
We don't have anywhere near the number of Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers in all of those key positions of power.
Those institutions and individuals and organizations that are commonly referred to as the deep state, the permanent government, the swamp that has taken control of our government.
And so there is this mammoth fight going on, and we are right in the middle of it.
It's economic, it's political, it's social, it's moral, it's spiritual.
And it strikes me that for most of the years that this has been going on, the mere discussion of it earned all of us eye rolls and accusations of tinfoil hats and so on.
Do you feel that right now, based on the history of what the John Birch Society has written, in many cases very early?
You saw it coming, and uh I actually share this with you.
Like I was warning about Big Pharma in 2005 when everybody is a 99 percent trust.
Yeah.
You know.
But do you feel vindicated to some degree right now?
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Well, very much so, and heartened because, as you say, for for many years, you know, you try to tell people about something, they go do do do do do you know, and conspiracy theorists, racist, anti-Semite, anti-government, uh denialist, et cetera.
Those, thankfully, those insults, those showstoppers don't work anymore.
Right.
Uh there's still some people that are affected by it.
But now, I I mean, just up to a few years a few years ago, any time you mentioned that, well, COVID, uh, all this stuff about COVID is not adding up, or we really aren't uh in the throes of a c uh climate change crisis.
People go, oh conspiracy theorist, uh weirdo, you know, tinfoil hat.
Uh and that would shut everything down.
It's not working anymore.
And so that is very heartening.
I do feel vindicated.
You know, what one of the things that we were, I was interviewing uh Rachel Maddow at the uh CPAC when she came by or thing.
I had a setup like this, and Rachel Maddie came by.
You're interviewing Rachel Maddow, huh?
And she says, so she came by and and she said, uh, oh, John Birdside, you were gonna the guys that said that uh fluoridation was a communist plot.
And I said, well, no, you're you're wrong.
We were opposed to uh fluoridation, and we are opposed to it because it is government mandated medical therapy, and we have a right to choose what we put in our mouth.
Absolutely.
And she she insisted on making a uh uh uh mockery of that.
However, what's happened just in the last couple of years, all of a sudden now a lot of the medical scientific community is agreeing with what we were saying and what scientists were saying decades ago that this is not a good thing, and that's why most of the rest of the world rejected that.
And that same trend is happening now against climate cultism.
So what's really interesting to me is now now that we see Lee Zelda at the EPA and he's canceling tens of billions of dollars in in EPA grants, and the Trump administration took down for the most part U.S. aid or USAID, although part of the Trevor Burrus, yeah.
Well, that's I mean, I think that's still in the courts right now, right?
Yeah.
But the degree to which our government took our taxpayer money and then used it to fund fraudulent junk science psyops against us is only now becoming apparent.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Yeah.
And it was very apparent to us long ago, in before I even went to the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.
So I've been our correspondent at the United Nations for over 30 years.
I've handed that off to Alex Newman, who is doing a great job.
He covers that along with Andrew Mueller and Steve Bonta at some of the events.
But in 1992, I was our only one there in Rio de Janeiro at the Earth Summit, where the global warming, acid rain, all of the different uh crises, uh deforestation, uh all of this was being launched as poly crises that had to put us into panics to give centralized government, including centralized world government, more and more control.
And back at the time, uh there were no other conservative journalists at these UN events.
The only other one who was there at that time, and she wasn't a journalist, was Governor Dixie Lee Ray, who had been the governor of Washington.
She was a scientist, and she was head of the Atomic Energy Commission at one point.
And she had actually received a U.N. prize for science a few years before.
But she got red-pilled and she said, Well, wait a minute, there's something's wrong with all of this.
So I ran into her at the Earth Summit, and she was the only other sane person there.
We had thousands of all the journalists from all the fake news networks from all over the world, and they were simply regurgitating everything that at that time uh the whole U.N. superstructure there under Mikhail Gorbachev and uh uh the other globalists that they were putting out,
that we had to radically transform American or all human activity on the Earth.
And that's when they launched Agenda 21, which has morphed into Agenda 2030.
So Bill, this with what we know now, there are catastrophic implications of those decisions for Western civilization.
So right now there's a huge military race for advanced artificial intelligence, um AI superintelligence.
And the primary input of that is power.
Of course, you need microchips, but mostly power is the bottleneck.
So China is currently able to produce over 10,000 terawatt hours of electricity annually, which is more than twice what the U.S. A produces at about 4,400, at least that's uh 2024 numbers.
Um we have been crippled because of the climate policies, the manipulation of the entire scientific community to only give them grant money if they were climate cultists.
And we saw the the quote, scientific community lose its mind, not just on COVID, but also on climate and transgenderism, this idea that a boy can become a girl, or that you can create energy from nothing like solar panels work when the sun doesn't shine.
These are insane ideas, but they have dominated our politics so far too long.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
I did a couple of articles on this uh over the years, one a couple of years ago, uh referring to it as lysenkoism.
And uh so I think I read your scientist was the Soviet scientist, he was a fraud, uh, but Stalin gave him carte blanc, and he set back uh Soviet science in all fields because he he claimed that uh his scientific theories were the only ones, and all the scientists caved in and they went along with it.
And Lysenko originally focused primarily on food production, and he destroyed their their food production, uh caused famine.
China followed his example and began doing lysenkoism there and destroyed their science and created famine there.
There were Western scientists who were all enthralled with this new Soviet uh science and were uh calling him the the new prophet.
We've seen the same thing now uh as you pointed out with COVID, with uh all this transgenderism, with uh energy.
All of these things are corrupting and have corrupted science because as soon as the government gets into there and starts giving out the grants, they then dictate where that's going to do.
So by the results they want.
Right.
And so if they want to convince all of us uh of a pandemic or that we need to eat bugs, they can come up with scientific studies that say and they've corrupted all the journals and the so-called peer review process.
They they buy off all these guys, either buy them off or threaten them with cancellation if they don't get in with the mob with the group.
Absolutely, that's how it happens.
And in the U.K., they have imaginary temperature data centers that they make up and they report record high temperatures to support global warming.
They don't even exist.
Right.
And now they they can do it all just digitally.
They still rely on a lot of uh so one of the things that uh that I've uh written about the uh weather centers all across the United States.
You've probably uh done that.
Uh Anthony Anthony Watt from What's Up With That.
He has a uh website.
He's a meteorologist, and he put together We love that site.
All the yeah, he put together uh a group of scientists and students and graduate students, and they went around to all the weather centers and they saw that the data that they were getting from the thermometers in these areas were all in violation.
They were in uh urban heat island areas where they're right at the parking lots in the parking lot on tarmac.
And and it says right there in their uh data protocols in their uh weather station protocols that no, they have to be in grassy areas, they have to be in white uh uh painted uh uh instrument cages, uh all of the things, all in violation.
I mean, uh you go to the hardware store or to Walmart or any place and buy a thermometer for your external uh ambient temperature, and it will say on there, don't put it on your patio or near rocks or bricks or whatnot, put uh put it in the shade.
And they have all of these in violations.
So of course you're going to get uh record heat uh signatures all over the all over the place.
And then and then that crisis is used to destroy economic productivity, to destroy econom uh energy infrastructure, which the Trump administration is now attempting to rebuild and kind of pick up where he left off at the end of his first term.
Uh but we are years behind, like I said before.
And uh at the same time, I think this gets to the spiritual war aspect of this.
And I notice you're wearing not just a cross, but with Jesus on the cross.
That's that's a very dedicated uh necklace that you've got there.
Um it looks wonderful, by the way.
Thank you.
Um I you know, I think Jesus of Nazareth above all wanted people to see with clarity the truth about what's happening around them and to see through the sorcery.
But I believe we are living under sorcery of some kind.
Like what could cause entire population to lose its mind and believe in transgenderism?
Right.
Uh nobody knows who's a man and who's a woman, and you can choose that, and you're you don't even have to choose it.
Your your kids can uh get it from a teacher or a counselor at school and be told that, hey, uh you need to be uh surgically uh mutilated and we're gonna inject you with uh a bunch of uh life-changing, life-threatening hormones.
I mean, it it's insanity.
It's just insanity.
So we see this.
How does this happen in a society?
I believe it's because we have lost our way.
Jesus said uh if you know the truth, you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Well, the converse of that is if you follow the lie, you're gonna be enslaved.
And we are being enslaved because we are following lies.
And science, uh true science is truth.
And what we are seeing in so much of what is declared to be science now by the deep state, by big pharma, by uh big business and whatnot is anti-science, anti-truth, anti-human, and that is why we have many of these gurus of technology,
the technocracy telling us that uh we're going beyond human, we're gonna be transhuman, you're gonna be better if you become cyborg, if you have chips implanted in you, if you have all of these unhuman parts, non-human parts placed in you.
And so you've probably seen, maybe you've shown on your program, particularly in Sweden, but in other places in Europe and even some places here in the United States where they have chipping parties and they're putting the chips in them.
If you go on on YouTube, there's even some I just saw recently that's still up there.
Uh in uh Sweden when they started doing this about six, seven years ago, they'd have all these, you know, college-age students uh coming there, and they were having us put in.
It's one girl is there with her dad who's a professor, and she's a student she's having to put in, and she says, see, we're a cyborg family, and they're wow.
And they think that's great.
They think that's great.
They said, Yes, we're we're the new cyborg, and they then gloat about how wonderful it is.
See, I can just walk in to the train station, I can walk into the store and just hold my hand out there, you know, the sign of the beast.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.: What's yeah.
Well, what's amazing though is how these people and it in our society, as people have become more distant from faith, and we've seen uh uh uh stark decline in the number of churches over the last 30 years.
Aaron Powell And they're burning down and shooting upon the Aaron.
Yeah, they're deliberately burning churches across Western Europe, right, to get rid of the entire Christian tradition in Western Europe.
But I I think it can only be someone who is disconnected from their creator who thinks it's a great idea to become less human and more machine.
Yeah.
I mean, you you you are placing man in the position of God.
And you are saying I and these other men, humans, are going to determine my future.
I am going to be exalted above what God has made me.
And I mean, such faulty faith in when people who believe that but it's a very common thing and our focus in our world of uh you know materialism and so on, bypassing the things that should really be important for faith.
But it seems to me that where this is going is going to be rather catastrophic for society if we don't take a strong pivot at this point, which brings us back to the importance of your work.
Well, yes.
And so we are at that point where we can pivot, we can and we must have this paradigm shift because to continue on this same path uh is the suicide not only of America, of the nation state, but really of the human race.
Yes.
And so uh that portends something very apocalyptic, because uh I I know as a Christian that God wins in the end.
God has already won.
And but we he has placed us here in this specific time, in our specific circumstances, in our specific area or wherever we are, and he's giving us an opportunity to participate in that fight, to fight the good fight, and to when we appear before him, be able to hear from him, well done, good and faithful servant.
And that's how I view this.
Because I I've been doing this for now 50 years, and I have interviewed many people who are survivors of the gulag in the Soviet Union, people uh from all over the world, survivors from the killing fields in Cambodia, from Vietnam.
Uh and uh so I've I've seen the victims of uh Nazism, of uh communism, all terrorism all over the world, and I've I've worked in this now for quite a few years.
And people say, well, uh don't you get depressed at all these terrible things?
I say, well, yes, there are uh uh a lot of terrible things happening in the world.
I get very upset with the Holocaust of abortion, you know, that we've had uh uh worldwide, uh, you know, a hundred million uh or more uh abortions, and that the that's a slaughter that uh and and so yeah, that uh that is uh that is depressing, but I know that uh ultimately God is going to correct this.
It is he is he does win if I stay on his side.
Uh I'm on the winning team.
And so what we leave with when we leave this world is our track record of our morality, our courage, our ethics, you know.
Uh you even says in in Revelation that one of the sins is cowardice.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Yeah.
Uh so we're we're called to be brave, courageous soldiers, warriors in this fight.
And regardless of how old one is, how infirm or healthy one is, how wealthy or poverty stricken one is, we each, every day are given challenges and battles to fight.
And it might be overcoming problems in our family, problems in uh my life, my health, uh, or battles uh so many people are under the drug cartels, whether they're in Mexico or in anywhere in Latin America or in I'm in touch with a lot of people in Africa and Nigeria and whatnot,
and they're suffering from Islamic uh uh jihadis who are coming in and and uh shooting up their churches, killing them.
So we're all faced with challenges every day, and those are good.
God gives them to us to overcome them uh in one way or another.
And so that is our challenge.
And so when I look around today, I see the forces of evil, so to speak, organized in a lot of different ways.
And one of the things that the John Birch Society has focused on, and a lot of people couldn't understand this for many years, but it's now becoming quite obvious the dangers, that is the United Nations and all of its agencies.
We saw just a couple of years ago an agency of the U.N., the World Health Organization, who most people had never heard of before, but we have uh uh Dr. Ted Rose uh Gabriessis, and he is a former former terrorist himself uh from uh Africa.
Uh and he and the WHO shut down the whole planet.
Yeah.
And they get they have all the people like uh Fauci in every country, and this has never happened before in human history.
And uh Stalin couldn't have dreamed, or Mao uh couldn't have dreamed of having that kind of power.
And so they had really earth shattering power, and they did shatter a lot of lights, destroyed a lot of businesses, probably people you know whose businesses were shut down and never have recovered from.
Well, yeah.
But but the thing that concerns me is how easily and quickly the United States of America went along with it, not just the federal government, but the local governments and the counties.
So we were exempt from closure because we are a food facility, and that was considered a critical business.
And for some reason Walmart was also considered a critical business.
Right.
Casinos in a lot of places.
Uh yeah, like you couldn't go you couldn't go to church.
Yeah.
But in some states you could still visit a dancing bar or pole pole dancing bar bar.
Right.
So I mean, they they're picking and choosing what skin.
But it shows you some some warped priorities of various policymakers that we have allowed to usurp control over our institutions.
And much of it was done outside of constitutional authority.
But most of the elected constitutionally elected officials at the state and local level were either bought off or frightened off because this was a new threat that they didn't know how to deal with, and they simply yielded to the medical dictatorship.
But that's why the John Birch Society, it's so important the work that you do across the board because you're teaching people to not automatically just say yes to obedient authorities.
You have to think critically.
You have to understand that the rights begin with the person, not the government.
Right.
The people.
And I know a lot of people learned a very hard lesson since COVID, but COVID also shows how automatically and easily most people give in to authority claims in the middle of fear, even if the fear is largely unjustified.
Yeah.
So I just uh in coming down here, I went through several airports, and I just traveled recently, again across the country through several airports, and I noticed at every airport when I went through the TSA thing.
I'm sorry to say I was the only person in long lines as we were going through when they said, uh please step up to have your face scanned.
I said, uh no, I prefer not.
And I just hand them my So they're all using face scanners now?
All of the airports now.
Oh, because I haven't traveled in a long time without the.
That just came that just came about.
And again, here's so so you know, at the New American, we have been big defenders of Donald Trump on many things.
And we uh much of what I've been talking about here, uh talk about the paradigm shift is the result of the Trump administration in 45 and 47.
Yes.
Uh you know, this anti-globalist.
But for whatever reason he has fallen victim to those who, just like after 9-11, w w went along with the Patriot Act and all of these things.
He they're convincing him that, oh, we need the real ID, and even the real ID isn't up.
You know, it passed uh 20 years ago, but we held it off all this time, and now the most conservative president says, Oh, we need the real ID.
So we put the real ID in, but that's not enough.
Now TSA, which already had started pushing for the face scans, they only had uh wow, in they introduced it in Biden's administration, but they only had like 40 airports.
Now, under President Trump, they rolled it out in 400 airports.
Yeah.
And so every time when you go you go in there, they take a face scan, and they say TSA's website, I just did a a couple stories on this, says, oh, this these won't be kept permanently, and they're not mandatory.
But you don't see any signs of that.
And everybody, it's just like with COVID.
Uh-huh.
Everybody comes up there and they say, Oh, uh step up to the thing, yeah, to the camera, and everybody stands up and does it.
And I think that's a good thing.
First time I went there, I thought, okay, if I if I say no, then they're gonna strip search me, you know, do all this stuff.
But he didn't.
I said, uh, I prefer not.
And I hand them the let I said I said, just look at me in there.
And so they it's supposed to by scanning your face and you're a techie, then they they can uh match it up to your card and make sure that you're that person.
And they say we're not going to keep it.
But uh But of course they're gonna keep it.
So in my in my article, I I I quoted um uh the guy David Puroski, the who is the former, he just stepped down or was fired by Trump as head of TSA.
He was interviewed by the Dallas Morning News, and he said, well, uh it's voluntary for now.
He said eventually there won't be an option.
So they're getting people used to it just like this, just like the the scanners that you had to walk, you still have to walk through, you know, and all the people go along with the tyranny so automatically, it's it's almost like there's a slave mentality in this.
Well, there is, and it's that that group think that Borg mentality, you know, that you're just gonna be absorbed uh in this.
I don't want to be different, I don't want to cause any problems, and so that's why TSA likes to keep a certain amount of line length so that before you go into the scanner or whatever, there's 50 people before you that did it.
And so that creates conformity.
And there's all these people behind you, and you don't want to be able to do that.
Right.
Yeah.
So it it's very psychologically manipulative.
And so uh I mean the fact is now you don't have to go up and get your your face scanned.
Uh so well, I'm I'm really glad that you're standing with your principles on this.
It's critical.
I've I've also been critical of Trump on some of these issues as well.
Uh now here we have the question that the justification today for the big beautiful bill and the surveillance towers and the AI surveillance grid that's being rolled out now, the excuse is illegals crossing the border, which is, of course, a huge problem.
The Democrats use it for massive vote fraud, et cetera.
Census fraud.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
We've been uh hitting that for decades, literally back in 1980, in the mid-1980s, so over 40 years ago.
I was one of the only journalists who went the whole southern border with camera crews, video taping, all of the illegal this was during the Reagan administration.
Wow.
We had a massive uh problem back then.
And uh there I mean there were not like the huge caravans that we saw in the last uh during the Biden surge, but we still had thousands coming across, including from over a hundred countries, including from Iran, Syria, Cuba, uh Venezuela, China, Communist China.
I mean, sometimes when I was down on the border, they'd have a whole line of uh Chinese communists coming across the border.
I was there with the border patrol.
Sometimes I'd go with border patrols, sometimes just on my own, sometime with sheriffs from here in Texas.
And so the title was Out of Control, the Immigration Invasion.
I mean, and that was in the early 80s, and by the time we published it, uh put out the video, which is still on the Internet on YouTube, uh in 1988.
That was two years after President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, ERCA, which gave us our first big amnesty, which we said that will just be a chain of amnesties, and we had three more after the Trevor Burrus, exactly.
Exactly.
That was supposed to be the final deal.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Yeah.
So it said no more.
And we said at the time this will lead to eventually a crisis in which we will all suffer and lose our liberties because then how do you deport that many people?
You have to go out and identify them.
Well, you've nailed it.
I mean, and and so that's the excuse now for the Trump administration to build the surveillance grid.
Now, this surveillance grid will do everything from facial recognition to gate analysis to metadata analysis, the whole palantier type of database.
And yeah, maybe for the first one.
And Palantir has been welcomed into and embraced in the And you we've got the Pentagon saying, you know, we're going to use troops locally in the cities because they're lawless, and they are lawless.
Sure.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
So this is real.
This is happening.
And then Trump's not going to be president forever, or he may fall to the influence of a bad apple in his administration who says, hey, Mr. Trump, we should we should turn all the surveillance tools, we should turn it on the American people.
And then or somebody after Trump says that.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Or he's assassinated, or you know.
He gets uh you get uh in a few months we have the next elections and the Democrats take control of the House and begin impeachment again.
Yeah.
For sure.
So how big of a concern is this for you and the John Birch Society?
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Well, it's very much a concern because uh liberty is a very precious and fragile commodity.
And if you do not guard it, if you do not fight for it, you're going to lose it.
And we are losing it.
I mean, we're losing it piecemeal.
No one knows exactly at what point you reach that level where you lose it completely, because as we see all of these police state measures being put into play,
uh those can be ratcheted up once the once the structure, the infrastructure, the force structure is put in there, and with AI and digitalization of everything, particularly the push for central bank digital currency, but it looks like an alternative to that is the corporate stable coin digital currency, which can accomplish essentially the same thing.
You can be debaned, your finances completely canceled, your ability to travel uh canceled, your with uh smart meters on your uh th throughout the whole power grid and on your home and on your business.
You can have your electricity shut off, your water shut off, your ability to heat and heat for your family and your business, all of that can be uh can be controlled.
So we have to be concerned about those things and to fight back against those centralized controls.
And this is where uh the states come in and uh and and local control comes in because the states under our constitutional system have the reserved powers.
All of those powers that aren't enumerated, that aren't specifically delegated to the Federal Government under the Constitution, are reserved to the States and to the people.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
It says it right there, Tenth Amendment.
And so our State Attorney Generals, our State Governors, our State Legislatures, they have to step up.
And they're only going to do that if we make them.
That's right.
You're exactly right.
That is a really critical point.
I'm glad you brought that up because I'm very concerned that about me back up a little bit.
This grid, the surveillance grid that could be easily justified today based on invasions or terrorists or whatever.
This grid.
School shootings.
School shootings.
Yeah, exactly.
This grid, right now, it might be run by humans in the government who have a human heart.
They have a human soul, even if they haven't do some.
Yeah, that's what I say.
Even if it's a dark soul.
They have a soul.
They may have already, you know, mortgaged it to Satan or something, but they're still human versus the automation effort is going to push AI to turn the knobs and pull the levers on all of the infrastructure.
Mechanical, robotic, soulless and pitiless.
And having no childhood as a human, no memory, no mother, no soul, no connection with our creator.
You know, nothing.
Right.
And so those forces will be directed by some evil human.
Yeah, probably.
And we can think of a few.
So and that's what we're dealing with now.
People need to realize that we are dealing with criminal elements, very evil people who want to take away our liberties, our lives, want to control us.
And the Founding Fathers recognize this.
They knew about all of human history, how this worked.
And so we are jeopardizing everything by frivolously allowing, casually allowing these threats to our family, to our our children, our grandchildren.
We have been given, you and I, and everybody living here in this country, we have been given a legacy that the rest of humanity throughout history has not enjoyed.
We have huge, huge obligations on us to preserve that.
Yeah, absolutely we do.
And I'm not sure that the John Birch Society really hits this the following topic head on, but I do, and I think it's right in line with what you're saying, which is depopulation.
So I believe there is an intentional anti-human agenda underway to go anywhere from quote depopulation to maybe extermination.
And I believe that everything that we've talked about today, from the destruction of the family, destruction of uh energy infrastructure, you know, destruction of human rights, destruction of reason.
These are all designed to really compromise the human civilization.
I I agree.
And so we have had when I was in college in the early 70s, I went into university in 1970.
Big things at that time were the population bomb by Paul Eric.
Ehrlich.
All the environmentalist movement was getting launched at that time.
I'm an environmentalist.
I know you are too.
I mean, I I live on my little ranch.
I've always taken care of the environment.
I've been, you know.
So they have co-opted and usurped uh control over that.
They are really destroying the environment with uh besides depopulating the planet.
Yes.
So the the push and the propaganda for limiting population and actually depopulating uh the planet has been carried out very uh enthusiastically in every communist regime once they get total control.
So we saw in China, we saw it in Ukraine, we saw it in Russia.
We've seen it every single one.
They believe that, okay, we got to get rid of, first we're gonna get rid of all the rebels, first then we're gonna get rid of so we see these massive genocides going on in every communist socialist government.
And the greenies here who are in viral Leninists believe and in much of their writing have called for less population.
Al Gore, Jacques Cousteau, all of these people are infamous for calling for depopulation.
Bill Gates and David Rockefeller and Whoopi uh, not Whoopi Goldberg, uh, what's her name?
Uh uh the uh uh gal that has the big uh uh program on television.
Anyway, they uh they have the good club, and they actually call for uh depopulating the planet.
And so uh yes, uh we see it in their abortion policies, in their promotion of homosexuality, and because if you're uh if you're homosexual residents, you're not gonna be reproducing.
Right.
Uh we see it in uh all of the vaccination programs that they're carrying out throughout the third world, uh many of which are sterilization programs.
Yes.
Uh so we see it in the pandemics, plandemics that they're uh executing.
We see it in their policies, which have uh limited uh malaria uh uh pesticides that would that would uh stop the malaria uh mosquitoes.
All these and and then of course we see it in their way.
Uh the globalists plans for centralizing control over all the food and having us eat bugs and taking control of all the abilities of people to have access to water and and uh be able to farm.
Well, and and let me add that that about the food supply, and and this gets back to faith.
You know, the the grape, the vine is the first fruit mentioned in the Old Testament, right?
And mentioned throughout the Bible.
And the grape contains the seed, the grape seed, which uh even modern science is absolutely documenting and proving the anti-cancer effects of the grape seed.
I mean, it just destroys cancer tumors when you combine it with vitamin C, right?
Well, so our food supply sells seedless seeds.
Seedless grape.
Right.
So yeah, it's so convenient, and you don't have those nasty little seeds.
Right.
But and again, that's where most of the nutrition is, in the in the skin and the seeds.
So I don't call them seedless grapes.
I call them godless grapes.
Good point.
Because God put the seed in the grapes.
Right.
So that we could have this medicine, and then he told everybody about it.
Look, the vine, this is part of your abundance in your journey, the land of milk and honey and vines.
Don't forget, right?
Yeah.
Anyway, you get my point.
Yeah.
So now we have shadow food.
Yeah, and uh we have uh fake meat and all the other things.
Right.
So I I'm a carnivore, I'm an omnivore.
I think you're in Texas.
You can't leave without barbecue.
I went to a barbecue place last night.
Great.
So uh yeah, I'm on my little farm, you know, I've raised uh uh goats and sheep and pigs and ducks and chickens and rabbits, and uh I don't really have the um uh the pastures for having cattle, so my neighbors down the hill, I'm up on the the mountain looking out over the valley.
My neighbors down in the valley, they they have a big ranch, they raise cattle, so I go down and I get one of the cattle there, I shoot it down there, bring it up to my place, butcher it, and so not everybody can do that.
But we have to uh make America healthy again uh as I go through the airports or any place that I I'm almost overwhelmed at times by how unhealthy.
Oh, it's unreal.
I have to bring everything with me if I travel.
And uh so uh but it is possible, and we have to turn uh a corner there and make a paradigm shift there and eat real food, right?
Uh exercise, do those.
We're we're mind, body, and spirit, and we have to take care of all of those.
God has made us A composite being and so we can't deaden our minds with video games uh like millions of children are and uh daily watching everything, uh spending glued eyes glued to the dumb phone.
Uh so uh all of those things are individual things that we have to uh take care of ourselves, but one of the things we have to do uh is pray for our families, for our communities, for our society, for our country, but then we have to work for it too.
We have to fight for it.
Right.
God has given us this time here on earth, each of us, and we don't know when we're going, but uh right now there are plenty of battles that we need to fight.
Well said.
And let me ask you too.
Uh I want to mention a couple websites, the new American.com is and you're the editor of The New American, correct?
I'm a senior editor.
Senior editor.
Okay.
Uh wonderful publication.
We indexed The New American at our censored.news index site.
So there it is.
Check out the New American.
Oh, yeah, you're covering the Fed Governor Lisa Cook.
Yep.
That's funny.
Uh this is a really interesting conflict about the authority of the executive over the Federal Reserve.
Yes.
So we've been told that the Federal Reserve is independent, you know.
So who does it answer to?
You know?
Yeah.
So you're, of course, familiar with the Jekyll Island setup of when it was uh first established, and my good friend uh G. Edward Griffin, uh, whom I worked with for almost 50 years, uh wrote the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, which was the first one to really explain and expose all of that.
And we're dealing with uh at the Federal Reserve, really the center of the global conspiracy for control.
If you control the money supply, you control people's ability to work and have commerce, uh, then uh you can take control of all the rest of things.
The printing of currency has become the single greatest vector of evil in our world.
And uh and like you said, it allows them unlimited control while the average American has no idea why groceries are more and more expensive.
And they're gonna continue.
I mean, and this is one of the things where, you know, uh we have to rightfully uh criticize President Trump.
He is continuing with the spendthrift policies where trillions and trillions of dollars.
And uh, you know, he's in a tough pickle.
He's been handed a uh uh disaster and he has uh dozens of different things that are uh real crises and emergencies that he has to deal with.
But we do have to get a handle on the spending.
Every one of those trillions of dollars of debt requires us to pay more and more interest, and who are we paying it to?
The same guys that created this system.
Trump, I think, has a history of rescuing uh bankrupt casinos, and a bankrupt casino is what the United States has become.
Yes.
So he might be the right guy to uh drag us out of that, but you gotta get money from someone else.
Yeah.
And last I saw the Treasury, the 10-year uh auction didn't do that well.
No.
Uh and I think you're gonna find uh fewer and fewer people are willing to jump into that auction.
Why?
Yeah, why would you why wouldn't you just buy gold at this point?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Bill, uh it's been a pleasure.
Oh, let me give out your website again.
JBS.org for John Birch Society, that's the main website.
And tell our audience uh what they can find there other than the articles, but what is the side offer?
At the uh JBS.org, uh the jump for the John Birds Society.
You can find out.
Uh first of all, we we urge you to uh investigate us.
You'll see on our website right now we have our leadership conference uh coming up.
Uh General Michael Flynn is going to be one of the keynote speakers, Catherine Austin Fitz.
Of course, my good colleague uh Alex Newman is going to be one of the keynote speakers.
I will be there.
Many other all of our other top leadership will be there.
Uh uh Pastor Matt uh Tuella uh is also gonna be a speaker, and we have some others uh coming too that are gonna be surprise uh guests speakers.
And uh so this is gonna be a great opportunity to get together with top patriots from all over the country.
And uh then further on in our website, uh you can join the John Burch Society.
Uh you will get our magazine and we'll get our monthly bulletin, and you can, if they have one in your area, and most cities, most towns have a chapter of the John Bird Society, if not several.
In my relatively small city, we have four chapters.
Really?
Uh daytime and evening.
And so you can actually get together with other people in your community, fellow citizens, and find out what you can do locally on key issues that are happening there.
We're fighting.
Most people don't realize that Agenda 2030 is operating in every community, and you have these new vision plans and things.
They're all tied into the sustainable development goals of Agenda 2030.
And if you're not familiar with those, you need to be because that's your anti-human.
That's what the United Nations uh President of the Assembly said is the master plan for humanity.
Now, if you have a master plan, that means somebody's the master that's doing the planning.
And sometimes I think that extraterrestrial AI wrote these plans and handed them to the globalists.
Well, it looks that way sometimes.
So you can work at the local level because we have to do that, but you have state legislators and a governor.
And we have now produced, it's taken us a long time to do it.
It's a huge task.
We have report cards, scorecards on all the state legislators.
So all you have to do is put in your zip code there, uh, your address, and it'll tell you who your state legislator, who your state representative, your state senator is.
You can see how they voted on key bills.
We give you a breakdown of the bills, we give you a summary of them, and then if you want to go in in depth, it gives you more of an explanation, and then it takes you directly to the official uh website.
Wow, it's powerful.
That was a uh a huge undertaking.
We have great people doing that.
So we have that at the Congressional level also, so that most Americans, unfortunately, think that, oh, okay, every four years I'll put a bumper sticker on my car and I'll go out and vote and think that that's doing their civic duty.
It's not.
That's that's not even the bare minimum.
You first have to get yourself informed.
You have to vote for the right person.
How do you do that?
It's not just the president, but Congress was given most of the powers.
Article 1, Section 1, paragraph 1, sentence 1 of the U.S. Constitution says all legislative powers here in Granite shall be vested in a Congress of the United States composed of a Senate and a House of Representatives.
All legislative powers.
So that means the President can't make laws, the judges can't make laws.
Unfortunately, they do.
They do.
And Congress lets them get away with it.
And the agencies can't make laws.
That's right.
All of those that uh Smorgers Board of uh agencies of uh triple-digit uh alphabet agencies cannot make laws legally.
Yeah.
And so how do we hold them accountable?
Well, Congress has that power, but they're not going to do it if we don't hold them accountable.
So that's so we're helping you hold them accountable.
And in fact, my Congressman, who's uh a good Congressman, he scores very well on our website on our uh scoreboard, but he had resisted signing on to as co-sponsor to a very important bill, the defund act, which uh was introduced in both the House and the Senate to cut off all funding to the United Nations and all of its agencies.
But uh uh a number of us in our chapter, we just kept Adam and finally he told his um office managers wow, let's sign on to it.
So they he signed on just uh on uh uh last week.
Oh, okay.
And it shows, and that's been happening all over the country.
If you hold them accountable, uh not all of them.
I mean, if you have an AOC or uh somebody like that, you might not Rashida Taleb.
You might not be able to get them to change their mind.
But uh we can affect things, and we have to resist the temptation that many people have to say resistance is futile, it's never going to change.
That's a cop-out.
It's an excuse.
It excuses me from carrying on the fight that I'm called to make.
And well, we uh I'm honored that you're here.
We absolutely agree with that level of informed activism that's also in alignment with our human values.
That's really critical to me.
Uh with that said, I will offer that if we can uh uh help you with you know, we have AI technology.
Yeah, I was well trained on reality.
It actually beats every other engine in the world on these kinds of questions that we're talking about.
Well, I I'm excited uh we talked about this before the show, and I I really want to pursue that because that would be a huge help.
I'd love to, I can demonstrate some things that you could do with your website and your content using this technology.
I think you'd find it extraordinary.
But anyway, we'll talk about that after the show.
It's great to have you here.
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And for all of you watching, uh visit uh JBS.org.
That's the John Birch Society.
And our guest today, uh Bill Jasper is the president of the John Birch Society.
So we're very fortunate to have you here in Texas.
Well, thank you.
Uh thank you for making the trip and spreading the word.
And again, you can also visit the New American.com and Alex Newman, who I've interviewed before, is one of the key writers there as well.
A lot of great content.
That's why we even index the New American at our website, censored.news.
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