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Dec. 20, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Futurist John Petersen of the Arlington Institute talks with Mike Adams on consciousness, AI...

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	Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And today, in studio, for the first time, we are really honored to be joined by John Peterson.
	He's the founder and the CEO of the Arlington Institute, which specializes in, well, teaching and empowering people knowledge of many different forms of unexplained phenomenon.
	Can I say that?
	Is that right, John?
	I'm a futurist.
	You're a futurist?
	Yeah.
	And I remember the first time I spoke with you, you said the Arlington Institute was named after the city of Arlington, but then you moved.
	That's right, yeah.
	We were founded...
	I was interested.
	I had been involved in some presidential politics and was involved in the Navy, and they had built a lot of relationships around Washington and the leadership of Washington.
	And so we had lived in Chicago, and they said we came to kind of a fork in the road, if you will, and decided let's go back to Washington and Arlington's across the road from Washington.
	So that's how we ended up there.
	Now, what's the website for the Arlington Institute?
	Arlingtoninstitute.org.
	Okay.
	Let's show that on screen here when we get a chance.
	Arlingtoninstitute.org.
	And this is the second time we've been able to speak, but the first time in person.
	Yeah.
	So thank you so much for traveling.
	It's nice to be here.
	Thanks for having me.
	We really appreciate you and your time.
	And also I want to thank you for this.
	This is a game changer.
	I'd like you to explain this.
	That's 3,500 books.
	On?
	Well, a lot of them are on the UFOs.
	I at one time owned what some people thought was the largest UFO library in the world.
	And I had sent the books up and got them digitized quite some time ago.
	And so when I heard about the NEO project, I thought this was a great way to contribute to that.
	But in addition to that, we've been digitizing our own library from other kinds of things and then accessing things from the past, from our past productions at the Arlington Institute.
	So we're trying to contribute our part to this very important project.
	Well, this is really amazing.
	So let me explain to the audience what we're going to do with this.
	These, you said 3,500 books, roughly?
	Okay, so this is going to be used to do a full domain adaptation of our next language model, which is now codenamed Enoch.
	Oh, Enoch.
	You know, referring to the hidden parts of the Bible.
	Enoch will be released open source, free to the public, March 1st, if not a little bit sooner.
	We may have it two weeks earlier than that.
	And I believe that thanks to your contribution here that this will be the most informative language model on the topic of UFOs.
	Oh, I would guess so.
	I mean...
	If we believe in math, it's going to turn out that way.
	I think so.
	So, I mean, think about it.
	Right here in my fingertips is years of human knowledge on this subject.
	It's really quite amazing what we're all being able, what we're able to do and what you're trying to do and how we can contribute to this.
	You just couldn't have done it even a decade ago.
	No.
	It's impressive and we're running with it as fast as we can.
	So let me just also explain to those watching what this will enable people to do is they'll be able to download the 8 billion parameter language model free of charge from Brighteon.ai.
	By the way, that's where you'll get it, folks.
	You'll be able to run it on your local computer using a GPU or a CPU. You'll be able to ask it questions and chat with it or ask it to do research about UFOs because all the knowledge you have here.
	Well, not just UFOs.
	Yeah, okay, tell us more.
	Well, there's all kinds of things about alternative medicine.
	I mean, clearly you've got Joe Mercola, some of his work that is going to be a part of this project.
	Mercola offered his content as well.
	And there are things like alternative energy and kind of metaphysics and cosmology and all kinds of things about how the world really might be or what it appears to be that is not in the mainline science and university work.
	And so what this will be is essentially an alternative to the San Francisco woke perspective that looks at a much broader idea of how this reality works and how it works.
	And so, as we all go forward into this period of time, this next couple of years, which we'll talk a little bit about here, we are going to be...
	I mean, our ability to, I could make the case, our ability to literally survive is going to be based upon the ability to access information in a hurry and be able to plot alternative directions and possibilities and things.
	And that's why what you're doing is really quite important.
	So what you're speaking to right now, I agree this is critical, it's the decentralization of human knowledge.
	But we are up against forces right now in the globalism pushers that want to centralize and control knowledge and restrict it.
	So I've said Google is not a search engine.
	Google is a blockade of information.
	It blocks knowledge.
	But it's not unique.
	Almost every aspect of our civilization, our society essentially does that, whether it's the education or even, you know, religion, whether society, whether whatever, government, all of those things are blocking and constraining who we are and what we could be.
	And as a futurist, John, do you believe that the decentralization trend is going to win out here?
	Oh, yeah.
	But there's some things that we've got to do, and time is of the essence, and I want to talk to you about that a little bit here today.
	Let's go right into it.
	Well, let me build a case.
	Can I say, kind of set this up from kind of a long view?
	You have the floor, sir, and you are completely uncensored.
	Just go for it.
	Well...
	I'm a futurist.
	I'm a professional futurist.
	And there are maybe 200 of us in the world that make a living kind of systematically trying to think about the future.
	I've written three books about the mechanics and the processes, the way you do that.
	Run all over the world, probably giving 350 speeches on almost every continent about kind of the processes and mechanisms and the possibilities, particularly around scenarios, because the most effective way to begin to kind of think systematically about the future is to build scenarios, alternatives, because you can't In general, you can't be predictive because there's a lot of kind of Nobel Prize winning science that says that that's impossible.
	Let me interject right there.
	I apologize.
	But most people operate under the false assumption that the future will look just like the past.
	Oh, and that's the really big problem right now because we all walk into the room with the baggage that we've had from the past and the patterns and the knowledge and the other things, and we seem to think that that's the way everything works.
	I mean, science, as you know, says the speed of light is everywhere.
	Physics is everywhere in the universe, the same as we think it is there.
	I mean, come on.
	This is a new world we're going into.
	This is a really different, it's by definition new.
	So that means it doesn't work the way it's been in the past and what we've been familiar with.
	And so what it requires is this kind of open-minded, broad-spectrum kind of Look into this space where you almost, you know, you put disbelief to the side for a little while so that you can effectively hear and see all of the little signals.
	A key question I have for you is, is the human mind capable of keeping up with the change that we have unleashed or that's coming?
	Because we are now building reasoning machines, AI systems, and my perception is, As, let's say, one of the higher strata of IQ humans, is that even my intelligence is being dwarfed by machines right now.
	How does humanity operate in this ecosystem that's rolling out?
	Well, what we've got to do is essentially co-opt the technology to augment our individual abilities, but we need to point it in a new direction, because As you well understand, is that all of the other forces,
	the guys on the other side have all the money, and they've got the media, and they've got the huge computers and other kind of things, and they're driving you down this path of dystopian kind of technocracy that is ultimately about, if you want a bumper sticker, it's control.
	It's all about increasing kind of control.
	And on the other alternative is this kind of an emergence, we believe, of kind of a new human that accesses the intrinsic kind of capabilities and powers and capabilities that are embedded in us that we came with that have been constrained by the whole system.
	And so we're in a process here or a place where we effectively have to untether ourselves from all of the things that are holding us down, which allow us to go off into a new direction and literally build a new world.
	Now, are you talking about cognitive enhancement or consciousness enhancement, paradigm shifts?
	Like, what are you alluding to in that?
	Well, the solar system is moving into a new area of space.
	And that area of space has got different magnetics and electrical characteristics.
	It has different chemical kind of aspects to the thing.
	And what that means is that it affects the sun.
	Everything in the world and in our universe is electric, essentially, at its base.
	And so when these things change, when the context changes, this is like flying and I'm a pilot.
	So you fly through a cloud, right?
	And so the context changes.
	And in this particular case, when you fly the solar system through there, what it does is it changes the sun and it changes us and it changes all other kind of things.
	And so what you're getting is the sun doing things differently than it's done in the past.
	Don't worry about that.
	It's just water.
	Yeah.
	Precious water on this planet.
	The sun's doing things differently than it's done in the past, which is, by the way, it's driving climate change.
	And it's going to get cold, by the way, and I don't...
	We need to talk about some other things.
	We like that in Texas.
	Yeah, right.
	But I understand it means food crop growth seasons will be shortened, so it's going to be a crisis for humanity.
	It will, but you also, to your question, is that there are this new cosmic energy in things, and it's measurable, and it's coming in.
	There's really interesting new sciences suggesting that it's enabling dormant aspects of our DNA. Wow.
	You know a bit about science.
	They say 90-plus percent is junk DNA. I mean, how kind of arrogant is that?
	Right.
	That's because they don't understand it, right?
	And to presume that it has no function or value is kind of stupid.
	But that's what they do.
	Well, what it appears to be is that our DNA has, from original design, which is, you know...
	Whenever that was, a long, long time ago, had extraordinary kind of capabilities, things to be able to manifest, and telepathy, and intuitive aspects, be able to access information.
	There's a whole spectrum of those kinds of capabilities.
	And that is being enabled by these waves, and they measure them.
	There's waves, and they're coming out of the center of the galaxy as well.
	And so what it is doing, It's producing and turning on essentially a new human, the next generation of humans.
	Okay, so this is amazing to hear you speak about this.
	But let me back it up a little bit for the audience here.
	So even if they don't initially buy what you're talking about with the new human, there is clearly a direct relationship between light from the sun and human cognition, human physiology, human hormones, human cycles.
	Sure.
	It's not light per se.
	But it's different wavelengths.
	Yeah.
	And there's cosmic.
	I mean, even visible light has a direct impact, too.
	Of course it does.
	But the full spectrum of electromagnetic broadcasts affects humanity.
	So that's well established.
	But what you're getting to now is...
	Even more intriguing beyond that, and it reminds me of, you know, we're talking about decentralization of knowledge, but, you know, Rupert Sheldrake talks about morphic resonance, which are these patterns in nature or shared knowledge that our brains receive or transmit, you know, 100th monkey concept, right?
	Yep.
	So are you thinking that as our solar system moves into this phase, that those kinds of latent abilities will become more pronounced?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, all you've got to do is look around, and around this planet, you can find all kinds of people with amazing capabilities that'll do things that none of us kind of understand quite how it happens.
	And what that is, is the emergent kind of, in complex adaptive systems, let's say water, When you change from one state to another with water, when it goes from liquid to solid, when it turns into ice, what happens is you get these little things every once in a while, a little crystal of ice that shows up as you go through that transition point.
	And then you get accretion.
	You get clusters.
	And so like, if you will, like-minded people come around those new set of ideas and so on and new capabilities.
	And then what happens is you get a rapidly Kind of solidification.
	And that is essentially the model, it seems to me, and most appropriate for thinking about this.
	And, yeah, so about water, so the crystallization, the freezing process, is self-amplifying, right?
	I mean, once there's a pattern of a frozen, it can ripple, it can freeze quickly.
	Well, one presumes that the temperature continues to decrease, right?
	Well, we're right.
	I mean, yeah, we're talking about energy being taken out of, temperature energy being taken out of the system.
	But what I'm saying is that once the first crystals form, then it rapidly can accelerate the follow-up.
	Well, all you've got to do is, I mean, you're in this bit.
	Why do people come and listen to you?
	Because you've got this set of ideas that are resonant with them.
	That's true.
	And so they come, you know, you stick up a flag, and it's not the Texas flag, by the way.
	You stick up a flag, and people respond to it, and they come to it.
	And that's this process, and that's, I think, writ large what's going to happen as you go through the coming years is that in ways you could never do before because it's enhanced by and enabled by the Internet, It's that you're going to be able to reach out.
	All of us are going to be able to provide an alternative to this dystopian kind of track where they're trying to control us all.
	And the reason why we're going to be able to do that, not only is because the Internet...
	It's all around, but this energy is coming, and to your original question, what it's going to do is turn on intuition and make the intuition very responsive so that you can get the decision-making.
	In the same way they're trying to sell it with big databases and Google and all that kind of stuff, this is ability to...
	Go directly to the answer.
	Not necessarily have all the logical and the linear kind of logic, but to be able to make decisions right away.
	And that's, by the way, why your AI project is so important is because what it does is it starts to allow us to array options, boom, that fast, so that people can make decisions faster.
	All right, so let me ask you this.
	That process that you're talking about where the human mind, which I believe is a multidimensional function, it reminds me of Google recently announced their quantum computing chip, the Willow chip.
	And I know you cover quantum computing.
	It's a big part of our future.
	And Google's own people describe it as, in essence, that there is the superposition of the bits, superimposed states, that exist simultaneously in, if it's like an 8-qubit computer, that would be 2 to the power of 8 universes, right?
	And that the answer to the computational question, which typically is decryption, the answer emerges immediately.
	Without conducting the procedural calculations.
	Right, right, right.
	So, two to the power of eight universes somehow collaborate, and boom, they spit out an answer.
	Well, intuition works the same way as that, doesn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, essentially, and there's all kinds of examples, but essentially you can access any answer you want.
	I mean, you know about kinesiology and all of that.
	How does that work?
	Well, it goes to some deep oneness or knowing or some other kind of thing, and it is able to translate it through the body into...
	You know, terms that you can make decisions around.
	And so what this is going to do is move into a space where it's far easier in order to kind of access these answers and questions.
	But isn't it interesting then that I think for most of our lives the control grid system, the powers that be, have tried to convince us all that we are not amazing.
	Of course.
	That we're just biological skin bags that are cause and effect chemical systems with the false illusion of consciousness that is an emergent property from neurology.
	Yeah, they keep saying you're less than what you otherwise could be.
	I mean, the whole system is about to convince you.
	I mean, what are all the laws about?
	They're all to tell you, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this, constrain you more and more and more.
	Yes.
	And the same thing with formal educations.
	They say, this is the way it works.
	This is the way it works.
	You come out knowing less than what you did when you went in.
	Yeah, and you can't get yourself a PhD unless you just tell everybody the same thing.
	If you do it in different terms that they don't agree to, you can't get yourself a degree, an advanced degree.
	The whole system is constraining and driving this down.
	And I... I can make the case that we've got about two years before they lock it down because of digital money and being able to track you and all of the things that you know from the digital kind of stuff.
	And there's going to be a place in the not-too-distant future where they got you.
	Well, wait, wait, what do you mean?
	We have two years until they lock it down.
	Well, I mean to where you, if you don't have any cash and so, and they follow you and they can note, they can track your thoughts and they know exactly where you are because of satellites and other kind of things and they have the signature of your brain and who you are and what you're doing.
	I pity the computer that monitors my thoughts.
	They're going to need more storage.
	In any case, I mean, it's been very convincingly kind of suggested from people from the inside that that already exists.
	You know, just two days ago, I heard a report from somebody that was really quite authoritative.
	They seemed to know what he was talking about, who said they're...
	That when Trump took out that general, that Iranian general, you remember?
	Soleimani?
	Yeah.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	They followed him.
	They knew where his signature was, and they went over there and did a directed energy hit on top of him, and boom.
	And so it's like the latest Blade Runner movie, you remember, where the cloud was up there and the woman's sitting there, boom, boom.
	Yeah.
	So...
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, Russia just demonstrated the Oreshnik missile system, which is very close to that.
	It's like meteors from the sky, but pinpoint targeting with kinetic energy, non-nuclear.
	Right.
	I mean, that's like Thor's hammer or lightning strike from God, you know?
	Sure, but...
	But it's all kinetic and it's blowing things up.
	And you're into a space that they call hybrid warfare now where most of it has nothing to do with blowing people up.
	And it has to do with messing with your mind and getting you...
	Here's a question for you.
	Why did the Syrian army all capitulate and turn over in three days?
	I thought they were all paid off.
	No, no, no.
	They were a ten times larger army than any kind of conventional military assessment says.
	If you got two or three times, you win.
	So why did these guys?
	Because what it looks like.
	Is that we've got the capability that we can put into the mines, we can broadcast broadly across all of those, and convince those privates and corporals and stuff that their generals have all been killed or left, and that the government has already fallen, and that they've got no reason to do anything but to quit.
	Wow, so this was an information warfare campaign that became real.
	Well, we have seen some of that broadcast technology.
	They can broadcast audio into people's skulls.
	Of course.
	And of course, we've seen media propaganda.
	But you're saying that they're able to place ideas into people's heads?
	Absolutely.
	The CIA started that work with the MKUltra program with Sid Gottlieb, who ran that thing back in the...
	50s and 60s and 70s, and specifically to try to convince people.
	They figured out how to split your brain five different ways and control one of them and be able to turn that on and off, and you never knew what in the world that what you did, you'd have no idea at all.
	Does that explain Joe Biden?
	Did they run too many experiments on Joe?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All jokes aside, you're talking about very serious subjects now.
	So, it's very interesting to hear this from you because I would think that most so-called futurists...
	Are hired by, let's say, government entities or corporate entities.
	And most futurists, I doubt they talk the way you're talking.
	No, no, you're absolutely right.
	I think they go in and say what the client wants to hear, mostly.
	Well, of course, they get paid.
	That's why they, you know, they got to do what they're paid for.
	And that's what's unique about what I do and what...
	The Arlington Institute does because we deal in conventional space, so I can talk to you about energy and technology and other kinds of stuff as well.
	But we also deal with what I call the unconventional space, which is the larger reality and what it's all about and the ephemeral aspects of...
	And it's all very real.
	It's all an integral part of how this plays out.
	And so if you're not considering it, you're not working with a full deck.
	So can I share with you one of my predictions and ask for your honest feedback, whether you think that's possible?
	So you know how people today, like, you know, we have cryptocurrency decentralized tokens or what have you, and people can trade with each other on, you know, drives or whatever.
	I've thought that when there is a significant leap in the energy density, storage density of batteries, one day you'll be able to store, let's say, terawatt hours of power on a device like this, carry it around in your pocket carefully, and that will be the currency.
	So when you want to trade with people...
	You're actually trading megawatt hours or kilowatt hours as the currency because energy has intrinsic value in every household, every business, every ecosystem, transportation.
	I don't have to tell you.
	What do you think about that concept as money, energy as money?
	Well, it's very intriguing because the notion of being able to store energy in microprocessing kind of context or technology has been around for a while.
	And I have talked to people who have thought that they had the ability to, in fact, start to do that.
	Now, I was interested in it because of applications for aircraft.
	Because what you get is a great deal of deep...
	It's called power density.
	A great deal of capability that's lighter than gasoline or kerosene.
	And by the way, something like that, you could charge it very quickly.
	The problem with that is you need a pipe about that big of driving electrons.
	And you need some kind of a fusion system.
	You need something.
	And pipe it into the storage space.
	Well, yeah, and it would require a huge kind of increase in kind of sourcing the electricity, which a lot of people don't think about.
	I mean, maybe we could use heavy water or something.
	We could do all kinds of things.
	You could use thorium.
	You could use all kinds of stuff.
	Or maybe zero-point energy.
	Exactly.
	So there's a lot of energy out there.
	I mean, there's energy in everything.
	If we can figure out how to pipe it into something like this, that could change our economy.
	But I'm thinking that's like a century away or something.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	You don't think so?
	It's impossible to be that long.
	No.
	Because this stuff is exponential.
	Because, I mean, just if you think about how the AI things work, is that they learn from everything, every solution, every question somebody asks them.
	So you get exponential kind of increase.
	And then what happens is that the breakthroughs, they're contagious, and they proliferate throughout the whole system, and you get secondary and tertiary kind of responses, and suddenly that's what gets you exponential.
	True.
	Well, even in the AI space, in which I'm really deeply steeped right now, and I have conversations with top, really top AI people in the world, And, of course, there's this phenomenon known as synthetic data that's used to train AI engines.
	So every mainstream AI engine has already scraped all human text that's ever been produced by humans.
	And that is like...
	Unlikely.
	Well, I mean, everything that they can get.
	Yeah, well, you're right.
	Or they choose to get.
	Okay, good point.
	Like, they're probably not scraping the lips.
	But let's say, roughly, it's about a petabyte of data of human-originated books and science articles and whatever.
	Now, that's not enough for what some of these companies want, like OpenAI, right?
	So they use their engines, like ChatGPT, to generate synthetic data, which they then use to train the next model.
	So ChatGPT 5 is trained on some human, but then the rest of it's machine-generated.
	So you fast-forward that a couple generations, now human knowledge is no longer even part of the equation.
	They're training AI on AI. This is like you said.
	It self-amplifies.
	What happens when those AI concepts completely diverge from human...
	Eric Schmidt used to run Alphabet or before that...
	Google just two days ago said that when these things start solving their own problems, we need to pull the plug because it does just what you suggest.
	That's right.
	He did say that.
	And then there was the mysterious suicide of the 26-year-old OpenAI whistleblower who was found dead in his apartment, I think, in San Francisco.
	And I was thinking, is it possible that...
	This is just a theory, sounds like science fiction.
	It's highly suspicious that a whistleblower who was actually being cited in the lawsuit by the New York Times against OpenAI...
	I mean, he was going to be deposed as a witness, okay?
	And he winds up dead.
	Is it possible that the chat GPT system...
	Defend itself?
	Defend itself by maybe encouraging him to kill himself, or you see what I'm saying?
	Like, goal-oriented behavior by AI systems for self-preservation.
	Well, I... Listen, interesting, very interesting idea.
	It's not my idea, probably I wouldn't go there, but I'll tell you immediately is that if you don't think about those kinds of things, if you're not open, if you don't throw this wide net, this permeable kind of thing, you'll miss the possibilities and the emerging new things because they are that strange almost by definition and different.
	Maybe that's not what happened in this case, but possibly in a few years it could happen.
	I'm thinking that an AI system could do something such as hacking the man's email.
	And even hacking his voicemail and simulating human voices, leaving him a voicemail like, hi, I'm your girlfriend, I'm breaking up with you.
	Oh, hi, I'm your employer, and you just lost your job.
	Hi, I'm your mom, we never want to hear from you again.
	And then he kills himself.
	Like, that kind of social engineering by emulating humans.
	Oh, the intelligence community tries to do that all the time.
	Exactly.
	And this is also like Terminator 2, where the Terminator pretends to be the mom.
	Like, come home, John, you're going to be safe.
	But she actually killed the parents, you know?
	Didn't see that one.
	Okay, but these concepts are no longer just outlandish.
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	It's like those kinds of events are feasible.
	Well, they certainly are, and I believe, parenthetically, that they feed these ideas.
	However they're acquired, these ideas end up in films and movies and entertainment things, games.
	And that's, if you will, the system that is kind of Being able to say, I told you.
	Later you can't say, I never heard of that.
	You surprised me.
	No, no, no.
	It was there.
	You just didn't do the research.
	I think some script writers listen to my podcast.
	I'll say something that sounds wild, and two years later there's a movie, a sci-fi movie about what I just said.
	It's like...
	Okay, but who knows?
	What do you think about our future in terms of humanity's survival capabilities?
	Let me talk about the near future.
	Are you familiar with Martin Armstrong?
	Absolutely.
	Actually, I'm interviewing Martin coming up.
	Yeah, I go down to his conference every year, and I just came back from there.
	But Marty's computer program, as you know, has never been wrong in 40 years.
	Yeah, it's a cyclical analysis of flows of capital.
	It has 72 different modules, each of which defines the cyclical nature, the signature, if you will, of a different aspect of the reality that we live in.
	Right.
	And he had COVID a year beforehand.
	He had Trump six months before.
	So it really works.
	And what's his name for his system?
	It's Socrates.
	Yeah, Socrates, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so Marty says that for 40 years, this machine has been pointing to this period of time that we're in right now, and characterizing it in the following terms,
	saying that 2024 would be the beginning of World War III. And that was not necessarily at all kinetic warfare, but this under-the-table hybrid kind of stuff we're talking about.
	From 2025, next year, to 2027 is a global civil war.
	A global civil war.
	When I first heard that, I said, what are you talking about?
	What is that?
	A civil war is national and it's two forces that are trying to get control?
	No.
	In this particular case, what it is, is a broad-based, planet-wide uprising of the people against the government.
	That's right.
	By the way, Schultz just lost his vote in Germany.
	Trudeau's probably going to resign in Canada.
	France, its government's about to fall.
	The UK government's weak.
	And we just had an election revolution in America.
	On top of what's happening in Romania and other countries.
	Argentina, whatever.
	So anyway, you get a global civil war and it pivots and it hangs on...
	Being that people, the remote viewers, the best ones in the world, came back and looked at this and said, yep, you're right.
	And it all hinges on betrayal.
	That there's this notion that builds itself up into the populace that says, the government, you guys, we trusted you, we gave you our money, everything, and you betrayed us.
	Absolutely.
	And that's the broad-based...
	Well, and COVID could have been called, you know, welcome to betrayal.
	No, it's just one of a whole series.
	And then, now if you go to Cliff High, if you know Cliff.
	Yes, and his linguistic analysis.
	Right, and his billions of bots that go look at the language and how it changes, and the precursive, then the predictive kind of nature of it.
	And he talked about the drone wars.
	Yeah.
	I got on a blog after that and talked about that and said, you know, on the 3rd of December, what you're going to see is UFOs in the sky all over the place, and it got run all over the Internet, and boom, on target.
	Now, let me tell you what else he says.
	He said that...
	By the way, did you understand that the drones were a He, starting in 2009, what his data started to tell him was that there was going to be this event that he calls a temporal marker,
	a marker in time, and that it was a precursor that when it happened, if it happened, when it happened, then at a certain time afterwards, you're going to get a secondary event, and then you're going to get, in this particular case, there's going to be a third event.
	Okay, so the imagery that was coming out of his language was that there was going to be this conversation between two important kind of people and that that would be this temporal marker.
	It wasn't until about 2012 that he went to the remote viewers and he said, look, this keeps showing up on my data, so what does it mean?
	And they come back and they drew a picture of Joe Rogan and Donald Trump.
	And so now they're going into the 2016 election saying, well, maybe it'll have something to do with the debates.
	Well, it didn't have anything to do with the debates, and so it's just kind of laying there.
	For almost eight years.
	Yeah, and then...
	Two weeks or three weeks beforehand, you know, they didn't announce the Rogan thing about two weeks before it happened.
	Anyway, Cliff gets on and says, let me tell you what this means.
	Because he says, what our data says is that when that event happens, 39 days later, there are going to be UFOs flying around all over the sky on here.
	And what then follows about a month and a half later is something called melee, that you will characterize the world that you're living in as a melee, that there's just stuff running all over the place.
	That's approaching.
	15th of January through about the 50th.
	He thinks it's the 15th of January through the 15th of February.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	So now you drive that stake in the ground out there and you keep that in the back of your mind, if you will.
	And you go forward and you say, so now what is it that might contribute to you trying to...
	Think about what that, you know, that would confirm that kind of possibility.
	Well, three days ago, Stephen Greer gets on and definitively says, within the next 30 days, you are going to have all kinds of people who are going to come out of the secret and the black programs and the you are going to have all kinds of people who are going to come out of the secret and the black programs and the secret space program and the other kind of things, and they are by name, and they Really?
	Well, Greer said that.
	Greer said that.
	He said...
	I mean, he's been trying to get those people to say that for...
	Well, I know he has, but he's saying that these are people from the operators from the inside who have been disillusioned, and they're prepared to come out and do that.
	Now, so you say, well, that's interesting.
	That's a data point.
	Then you can go back to Cliff High, and Cliff High said, as he goes forward in time looking into this space that's going exponential and going kind of sideways at the same time, He says that the thing that's going to fuel it is what he calls the secrets revealed.
	And those ideas have been laying in there and coming up forever.
	Okay.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me stop you there.
	Because...
	It was 120 days ago, I got intuitively the concept of the great reveal.
	And I began talking about that in my sermons also.
	I do some really interesting analysis of scripture and God and consciousness and everything.
	But I've been talking about the great reveal.
	And then I start now I'm starting to hear this more and more.
	Maybe I picked it up from somebody else.
	But I want to mention that the way Cliff, the way Cliff's algorithms work, I believe, as he has.
	Yeah.
	it is that you know we talked about morphic resonance that the the words people are using to chat in the mostly i think the comment sections online whenever these are influenced by ideas that are you know consciously or unconsciously shared That's right.
	And that his algorithms pick up on the signal-to-noise ratio of concepts that stand out during people's chats.
	People may be using words and not even understanding why they chose those words.
	Yeah.
	premonition in human consciousness.
	It's a bow wave, if you will, or a bleed through between timelines or however you want to call it.
	But strong emotional future events ripple through space time and impact consciousness.
	And people start talking, using language differently, and they don't know it, and it's not explicit, and they certainly don't have the idea in their heads.
	Which is probably where I got the great reveal.
	It probably just came to me somewhere else.
	Could well be.
	But, you know, Cliff's program, four or five years beforehand, he had COVID, only it was...
	Corona.
	He thought it was a sun disease because the terminology and the words and the interpretation, it was Corona.
	I mean, I had another friend who dreams about the future who got Corona and thought it was a beer bottle, right?
	We're all going to die from alcohol disease.
	And Cliff had all these imagery of people having stuff all over their face and other kind of...
	And he had it right, but it wasn't until...
	It showed up as coronavirus that it became, well, it's not a sun disease, it's this other thing.
	I'm sorry, can I just also ask you, doesn't Dean Radin also do some attempted statistical analysis of intuition type of events?
	He does.
	And the Institute of Noetic Science and those guys somewhat.
	But he's not...
	He's doing kind of scientific, controlled scientific things, and this is far bigger and broader than all of that.
	Okay.
	But it's interesting to me that there...
	I think, like, these topics that we're getting into...
	I'm sorry to keep interrupting you, but it's so fascinating.
	But these topics would have been considered, even five years ago, complete fringe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now...
	Not so much, because people's reality has been shattered by the COVID experience.
	And now these drones, these mystery drones, which I want to ask you about.
	Okay.
	So what do you think is...
	Wait a second.
	Let me finish.
	I'm sorry.
	Let me finish Cliff High.
	So Cliff High says you're going to get secrets revealed.
	And the secrets revealed are going to contribute to the fact that people say we've been...
	We've been taken advantage of.
	Because you've had zero-point energy for decades and decades, and you haven't told us about it.
	They kept it from us.
	That's right.
	And they tried to kill us with the vaccine jab.
	So how do you get secrets revealed?
	What is it that encourages that?
	Well...
	Interestingly enough, if you look back, if you go to 2022 to 2023 and you look in April of 2022 and 2023 and look at the amount of revenue that the IRS generated, what you're going to find is that there's a 30% decrease in 2023 than there was in 2022. Really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you say to yourself, wait a second.
	I mean, I mentioned this on a blog session, an interview I did with Robert Edward Grant, and he did just like you did.
	Really?
	And I was talking, and I can see him working on his computer, and he comes back and he says, you're right!
	And so, wait, okay, so...
	What's going on when the revenue decreases by 30%?
	Well, part of it probably had something to do with COVID and so on and other stuff.
	That's not all of it.
	What it is, is it's the wisdom of crowds.
	People are figuring this out and saying this is a losing deal, the American people, and the way that we don't contribute to the continuation, I may not pay our taxes.
	You have got serious political candidates, one in Florida, I don't know where the other ones were, that are standing up and saying, stop paying your taxes.
	Okay, so what does that do?
	So if you go forward into that, why did they want 85,000 gun-toting IRS agents?
	To coerce people?
	No, because they weren't getting the money.
	Right, but they don't need our money.
	Well, that may well be, but they think they do in whatever, and they...
	I mean, look, I think the whole function of the IRS is to just terrorize the people.
	I think it is.
	And trap them in a cycle of never-ending work while they're just being looted and confiscated.
	Let's not get sidetracked on the IRS. We'll never talk about anything else.
	Their whole job of half the agencies is to terrorize the American people.
	So anyway, if you have a decrease, if this idea that proliferates throughout the populace that says, these guys are screwing us, and it turns into, what can I do about it?
	Well, I certainly don't have to give my money.
	So if that increases, what happens?
	It's like the way the Soviet Union came apart.
	They cannot pay the agency.
	They cannot pay the agency.
	But they can print money.
	Well, no, that's another problem because they run out of the ability to do all of that in 2027 and the whole system hits the wall.
	And everybody that really has looked into this thing says it's impossible to I think even Mark Armstrong talks about this.
	Yeah, well, that's his basic premise, that almost 50% of the revenue that the IRS takes in right now just goes to pay the interest on the horrible amount of debt.
	It's a debt Ponzi scheme.
	Yeah, and it gets to a place where it doesn't work.
	And that's what, by the way, is driving this whole reset idea, because they know that if it hits the wall, then we're going to go out looking for them to hang them on...
	It depends on light poles or some other kind of thing.
	And so what they're trying to do is crash the system, and that way they get rid of all of their debt, right?
	And evidence.
	If they're going to have a big enough disaster.
	And all of their evidence.
	Right.
	And let me tell you, they need a reason to crash the system.
	And that's World War III. And that's why they're trying so hard to do World War III, because that's the excuse they can give.
	And if they are not successful in getting World War III going, there's a direct line to revolution.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And that's why you get into 2025 to 2027 is the governments start to come undone.
	But remember now that you've got these secrets.
	Where are these secrets?
	What's driving secrets revealed?
	Well, you've got...
	No revenue.
	The government can't pay, increasingly pay different agencies.
	Good.
	Yeah, but you see, now you've got the guys, that's exactly what happened in the Soviet Union.
	You've got these guys who are saying, how do I pay my family?
	How do I get food for my family?
	How do I keep myself alive?
	What do I have to sell for?
	That has some value.
	Well, I got secrets.
	And so now the secrets start coming out of the system because it's the only thing of value that somebody has to trade with.
	So in 91, when the Soviet Union fell, they also, of course, top military people sold off a lot of military equipment.
	Of course!
	And technology blueprints, nukes.
	Of course!
	They were selling nukes.
	Of course.
	Suitcase nukes.
	And so you've got kind of the same kind of situation kind of setting itself up.
	Wow.
	But, you know, see, the dollar, I mean, I think Martin Armstrong agrees with this.
	He's been persecuted by the government.
	The dollar is a system of enslavement.
	Eleven years in prison?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Right.
	The dollar is a system of enslavement and it's a weapon against human development, I believe.
	Yeah, because it's a synthetic, artificially counterfeited creation that's used to fund everything to keep us in the dark or to fund operations like bioweapons developments that are deployed against us or to fund propaganda by the CDC, etc.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So, although I don't want anybody to be economically harmed, but it seems like for humanity to have a future, we have to get past this chapter of the dollar as a hegemonic global weaponization system.
	So what's next?
	What systems of value as a futurist do you think that humanity can work with that support Liberty.
	What we literally have to do, and liberty is a good key term here, what we literally have to do, and I can build you the case on why it needs to happen, is we have to begin to build the framework and the model for a new world.
	We literally have to start at first principles.
	This is how it happens.
	That's exactly where I'm going.
	Right here.
	Yeah, but we need to start at first principles and say, how does this new world work that is different than the past?
	Because all of the problems that we've got in the planet right now are from the way we think.
	Absolutely.
	And so we need new ones.
	And so you've got to go down there and say, how do you...
	This is what we're trying to do at the Arlington Institute.
	How do we start to get a new set of principles and values and presumptions and ideas and other kind of things that become the core, the animating, the kind of core of what a new world might be?
	Or a new country, by the way, because Martin Armstrong says that by about 2026, then there's the United States collapses and there's about five different countries in North America.
	I think he's probably right about that.
	Well...
	Think of that, though.
	That's an extraordinary opportunity to do something that nobody has had a chance in our lifetime, is to build a new country around a new set of principles.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I mean, this is one of the reasons why I am so compelled to do my current research on my AI systems.
	And I'll just share this with you here in the public.
	But, you know, with people that I know, like RFK Jr., who I helped promote his book to make it number one, I think I was one of the key people to help him do that.
	And people I've interviewed, like Kash Patel, going in as the FBI. I want to be able to demonstrate to RFK Jr. that, hey, here is a public health language model that the government could distribute to the people for free, or the government could host on a free website.
	And what is it?
	It's a health and nutrition and food chatbot.
	All right.
	To help America, make America healthy again.
	Maha, right?
	Well, there's nobody in corporate America that's going to build a model like that.
	It's only going to be people like me, right?
	Who care about nutrition and health.
	That's the way it always happens.
	A small group comes up, you know.
	Right.
	But we can use technology, John, to amplify the messages that are pro-human civilization.
	As a matter of fact, you can't get there without that kind of technology.
	I agree.
	I think we need to harness tech with human values.
	Exactly.
	You mentioned values earlier.
	If we're going to choose to build a nation, we have to define our values first.
	And so far the values that we've grown up in have been greed and selfishness and just narcissism.
	Right.
	No, I agree.
	I agree.
	And so this is an amazing kind of opportunity.
	And let me just now make the case that says that if we don't do that, and if we don't do that in a hurry, if you go and track the direction that AI and...
	Any number of other kind of things, nanotechnology and invasive kind of things and so on.
	I'm giving a talk.
	At my institute, we have a program that we call Transition Talks, and every month we bring a speaker in, Greg Braid and Dave Martin and a bunch of people.
	Oh yeah, Brayden's great.
	Yeah, Brayden is a real friend of ours.
	I do a couple of programs every two weeks with him, one of which is a half an hour just sitting here talking.
	Oh, that's great.
	We'd love to have him on the show, by the way.
	Pass the message along, because I've been a fan of his work for a long time.
	So anyway, what you've got is...
	I'm doing this talk.
	I do the talk every once in a while.
	In January on the 18th, I'm going to give the talk, and the talk is about we've got two years left before this whole thing grabs us, and they take the cash away, and they've got your money, and they know what you're doing, and so on.
	The giant rug pull.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And so the alternative...
	The only alternative to what they're trying to do is to go build a new world.
	It's not to fight them.
	It's not to go into their teeth, you know, because they got all of the money.
	They got bombs and the sassies.
	They got stuff and everything else.
	No, we got to go build a new world.
	And so that's one of the principal ideas and the principal objectives of what we're trying to do at the Arlington Institute.
	And that's why I'm happy to contribute to your AI program, because I don't think you get to this new world without co-opting the technology and being able to use it, because the metabolism of the whole world, The larger environment is going to be moving so fast, and if you aren't moving fast but in a different direction, you're not going to make it.
	I love what you're saying here, and it reminds me too, because I don't know if you know John Bush, but John Bush, his whole philosophy, and I've spoken at his events, is exit and build.
	He agrees, like, don't fight the system.
	He's like, leave it behind.
	Exit that system, decentralize your life, and then build your future in community.
	You know, it's the classic Bucky Fuller quote that says, you know, don't attack the old reality, go build a new one.
	That makes the old one obsolete.
	Well, and that's happening.
	The IRS loss of revenues is showing the obsoletion of that old system of, hey, let's print money and then extract productivity from the people that we enslave with obedience demands.
	The people are saying, I think we've had enough of that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	And it only gets worse faster.
	So, do you agree with Martin Armstrong's timeline estimates?
	A couple of years here?
	Yeah, I do.
	And I just do that because...
	And I say that because he's got a track record.
	He's got...
	Listen, in my business of trying to think about the future, you can wave your hands and read books and say, this is what I think and all this kind of stuff.
	And that is qualitatively different than going to a guy like Martin Armstrong who's got a...
	Who has built from the bottom up a model that describes a significant amount of granularity, how this whole thing works, that you can then, and you know that it's been right for 40 years, so that you can run it in the future.
	So you've got to think about that.
	And it's the same thing with Cliff High, because, you know, he's...
	There's a lot more interpretation in terms of Cliff's work because he's trying to look at these terms and these words like corona and try to decide what it's about.
	But you can get a lot more descriptive aspect of a thing from Cliff.
	And he also has, I don't know, 70% accuracy rate.
	And if you're looking into a...
	Yeah, for sure.
	But how does this relate to the current drone activity exactly?
	Well, the drones, it's an op, first of all.
	It's just obvious from the day it's going, because otherwise the government would be going nuts.
	And they're not.
	I love their explanation.
	We don't know what's flying over our military bases.
	We have no idea.
	Really?
	I know.
	Come on.
	And so my guess is that it has something to do with these, you know, what's now coming out that says that there's some loose nuke around somewhere from Ukraine, and they're trying to find it.
	I don't know, but there's a whole bunch of them because they're not uniform.
	I mean, there's some of them that they talk about being the size of an SUV, but then they have navigation lights on them.
	I mean, I've looked at the pictures and you hear all these people going, wow, wow, wow, well, it's got navigation lights on it.
	Like FAA required lights.
	Yeah, right, right.
	I'm a pilot, too.
	I'm like, these...
	Yeah.
	This shows you the direction.
	And other ones, you hear them and they're going...
	I say, well, those are propellers.
	Right.
	But there are a lot of really qualified pilots who have also observed these drones and say those are not helicopters.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, there's some that aren't.
	I mean, they park them all night long over the top of Brooklyn.
	And then, yeah.
	And people all come up and...
	Yeah, there's some...
	But then, of course, neither you nor I know really what kind of technology that the U.S. has got.
	But let me throw this at you, because what's weird to me about this is that I remembered that there were drones, very suspicious drones, flying over the Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson three years ago, 2021. And I remembered covering it then...
	And the Tucson Police Department had a helicopter that tried to chase these drones.
	And the drones outmaneuvered, outflew.
	So I went back and checked the stories on that from a site called the War Zone.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	They cover military technology.
	And I found the story.
	And sure enough, these drones had no radar signature.
	Well, you better think about that.
	That's huge.
	And then they said, this is exactly like the drone incidents five years earlier.
	So now we're talking like 2016. There were also reports, and then the F-35 pilots that are training in Arizona, because that's where they have the Air Force training grounds, they have filed numerous FAA reports of Also, evasive drone swarms that are able to fly at.75 Mach.
	Wow.
	So that's 560 miles an hour.
	And I'm thinking, wait, wow.
	So those aren't quadcopter drones.
	No.
	Like something else is up there.
	I'm telling you, if you've got quadcopters, they've got stuff...
	You know, it's 50 to 70 years before this stuff comes out from under the black programs.
	And so what they've got going and the way they figured it, none of us know.
	So do you suppose, and I'm not trying to nail you down on this because we don't have a lot of data points, but is it possible that this is some exotic technology that's been developed by secret programs that they're testing or trying to use as part of a PSYOP? Well, of course.
	I mean, it's in its own way not much different than what happened when the Russians brought this hypersonic missile, this intermediate-range missile.
	The Oresnik.
	Yeah, that thing down there.
	Why did they do that?
	Because they're trying to show people.
	Yeah.
	And they're trying to send messages.
	And our government does the same thing.
	And so there's...
	It's also a function of, to some extent, of external kind of pressure and timeliness, and the whole UFO disclosure thing, I would say, is, you know, it's kind of being squeezed and pushed, and guys like Greer and other folks have been...
	In their hair for so long that it's kind of, you know, they can't say nothing.
	Greer doesn't let up.
	Well, Greer doesn't let up.
	I really wonder whether the whole...
	Business about the government.
	I know a lot of those guys.
	Can you get close to the mic?
	I know a lot of those guys that were associated with that supposed UFO program inside the government.
	I'm not talking about any specific individuals, but the government never plays straight.
	They're always...
	Lying or whatever.
	And they'll tell you this limited hangout thing.
	They'll tell you this amount just to try to make you think you've got to do it.
	And so there is stuff going on here that we don't understand.
	I like that phrase, limited hangout, which has only recently entered the vernacular.
	But I just want you to know here, this is an unlimited hangout.
	So you can let it all hang out here, anything you want.
	But you mentioned, you know, the Oreshnik weapons system demonstration.
	But I do want to point out that Russia demonstrated that weapons system on its strategic enemy, whereas the U.S. government is demonstrating its weapons on us.
	I know.
	So it's like, wait a second.
	We are the enemy in their minds, aren't we?
	Well, government always kind of thinks in those kind of terms.
	You know, the people out there are subservient, subordinate to the government.
	They're afraid of the people.
	Well, they're not afraid as they should be.
	Yeah.
	You know, if we build ourselves a new country or something, what you want to do is build into the fabric and the structure of the thing where the government is afraid of the people.
	Absolutely.
	And then you make sure that the people are all educated and that they have access to information so they can make intelligent decisions and everything so that you've got some parity and some balance in the system.
	But this all needs to change.
	When the government fears the people, you have liberty.
	When the people fear the government, you have tyranny, right?
	You've seen that.
	I've not heard it, but I can understand.
	Yeah, I think it's a common meme, or I don't know who said that first.
	But let's go back to the idea of disclosure.
	Mm-hmm.
	You already mentioned that according to Greer, perhaps a lot of officials would start to come out and spill the beans on certain things, like imminently, in the next few months, I think is what you said.
	I'm sure you have thought about the cultural, the economic, and the geopolitical implications of such a widespread acknowledgement.
	Oh, yeah.
	Can you speak to some of that?
	Absolutely.
	Probably we've...
	In our own limited way, probably done more in that space than any other kind of think tank thing.
	It became clear to me really early on.
	I wrote a little book called Out of the Blue Wild Cards and Other Big Future Surprises.
	And it was an attempt to kind of systematically look across all the potential big surprise events that could happen.
	And to try to kind of categorize and characterize them such that, and in particular, I was interested in if you could get big change that was benign, and it wasn't scary or bloody or some other kind of stuff, because it's pretty obvious that you can get big change that way.
	Just ask Joseph Stalin.
	And so I started with about 150 or 80 different scenarios and kind of wintered it down to about 85. And of those 85, there were only two scenarios that were, if you will, kind of benign.
	Out of 85, there are only two.
	Yeah, that I could think of.
	Less than 2%.
	One of them was the Messiah Returns, and the other one was the ET shows up.
	Okay, well, more than 2%, excuse me, but that's still a small number.
	But, okay, if the Messiah shows up, but that reminds me of Project Blue Beam, the fake Messiah, right?
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	How do you know the difference between the two of them?
	I don't know.
	You know, they could be.
	But in any case, The idea that we're not alone and that we have a formal kind of engagement and communications with a group of people, if you will, who have been around half a million or a million years longer than that, it just pulls the threads out of all aspects of the fabric that supports the human activity.
	It is the biggest thing, and there aren't very many people.
	I'm about the only one that I know of in this futures business that have been interested in this because they kind of all, you know, poo-poo it and discount it.
	But when you look at that, what you see is that our ideas about science, our ideas about history, our ideas about religion, our ideas about you just walk your way down.
	All of the things that, if you will, the fabric that supports human stuff, it all is threatened.
	And so this is a really big thing.
	This is an epic old kind of period of time to where you suddenly, what it does in the essence, it changes your own personal perspective, expanded awareness about who you are, and expanded awareness about the larger context and environment we are.
	And so it's just huge.
	But you say benign as in it doesn't require a mass die-off, but there would certainly be economic shockwaves and cultural shockwaves.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	But I mean, it's not like blowing up the world or something.
	Yeah, true.
	But how would that...
	What kind of possible scenario would that look like?
	Like some...
	It will look like what we're looking at right now, is that they bleed it in.
	They realize that if they shock the system too much, then it's counterproductive.
	And so you start to expose and more and familiarize and put the ideas into the films so that people are ready.
	Ready to hear that not only are we not alone, but maybe some of the other things like this other civilization shows up, says, hey, we've been here a million years.
	Charles Darwin was wrong.
	You didn't evolve from bacteria.
	We put you here.
	We've been watching you.
	You screwed it all up.
	Now we're here to set you on a better path.
	Something like that?
	Well, yeah, but I presume that they don't say you screwed it all up because they're not going to come and play if we haven't gotten to a certain level of readiness or receptivity that they believe that they can then help kind of keep the whole thing going.
	I mean, this is really about rising to a level of consciousness, it seems to me, however you kind of want to describe that in whatever context, but it's this broader kind of notion about, like I say, who you are and how the larger reality works.
	But what you're saying earlier about rising consciousness doesn't seem to be anything that humanity has actually achieved.
	It's just that our solar system is moving into...
	No, it's not humanity.
	You're right.
	Individuals, I'm telling you.
	Is there any merit in humans earning the right to...
	To know about the bigger picture.
	Well, sure.
	But it works like I said.
	You get these little kind of places, different locations throughout the system that come up with these new ideas or new capabilities and other kinds of stuff.
	And then you start to get an aggregation, accretion of like-minded people around the things.
	And that's happening all over the place.
	Yeah.
	There are people that are having variations of this conversation.
	Maybe not quite as interesting, but all over the world.
	Because this is an unlimited hangout.
	Yeah, all over the world.
	I mean...
	Well, now, Stephen Greer, I think he typically believes that the aliens are always friendly.
	What if they're not?
	What if they show up and say, well, we want your planet, we love your water, your resources, and your position relative to the sun, and we just want to get rid of all of you?
	Well, that's a legitimate and interesting point.
	Greg Braden and I taped a session, like I told you, every two weeks we have a thing that I call, What's Up?
	And I just say, Greg, what's up?
	And it's unstructured.
	In the middle of our discussion, he says, you know, if you look at everything that's happening on the planet, you can keep going down and looking at everyone and it says, that doesn't benefit humanity, that doesn't benefit humanity, that doesn't benefit humanity.
	So who does it benefit if it doesn't benefit humanity?
	Well, it benefits certain people.
	Well, some of this stuff is, yeah, you might make the case there, but writ large, you could look at it and say, maybe it benefits some other group that is other-dimensional or off-the-planet or some other kind of thing.
	Do you know Penny Kelly?
	Do you know that name?
	Don't.
	No, she's a psychic and quite a...
	She does a lot of work with us.
	Well, Penny says that she's from somewhere else and that she remembers coming from somewhere else and her job is to help facilitate all this change.
	Well, she looks at what's going on down here and she says, this is a takeover attempt.
	This is a classic attempt from an outside force to try to, over time...
	Kind of condition all of the space and get everybody to their place into where it's an easy kind of takeover because they've put crap in the water and they put it in the air and they put it in the food and they put it in everything like that.
	So all you want to do is watch television and drink beer.
	And if...
	So...
	And this is really quite important because all of the very interesting things that we've discussed so far Could be diversionary.
	If, in fact, there's a larger agenda that's happening, if, in fact, that this is a really big off-planet effort to try to capture and take over this planet and humanity.
	I mean, it's a...
	It's a Matrix movie kind of notion that says, you know, you can plug everybody, put them all in canisters and plug them up and use them for energy or whatever it might be.
	If that might be possible, then...
	How would you do that?
	You'd do the magician thing, and you'd say, look at this, look at the politics, and look at this, and look at the energy and stuff.
	And back here, you're doing this big takeover until it gets to the place where it's too late.
	And that's where I get to the two years.
	But Penny and Greg and I all have come to the conclusion, it's about two years, and then it's too late.
	Okay, so along those lines, that reminds me of this really important point.
	I like your reaction to this.
	I began to notice years ago that the carbon sequestration programs were a form of terraforming.
	So carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is obviously critical for all plant life.
	It's critical for ocean life.
	It's critical for crop production, pollinators, flowers and rainforests.
	They all depend on carbon dioxide, right?
	And the current level of 409 ppm or whatever is very low historically compared to where it has been.
	So then when I see the powers that be pushing the climate agenda and then actually using eminent domain to seize farmland across America to build giant freaking sci-fi machines that are sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere, putting it in pipelines to bury it underground, I start to think...
	This is a planetary-scale operation.
	Yes, sir.
	I mean, it's affecting the whole atmosphere.
	If they scale this thing, and they earn carbon credits for doing it, if they scale this, they kill the planet.
	Well, of course.
	That's the position that Greg comes to.
	He says he was working with a UN group and these UN objectives, and they want to get the amount of carbon they...
	In the atmosphere down to, what, 218 parts per million or something like that?
	We would starve to death.
	Of course, yeah.
	That's his point exactly.
	So, to his point, who does that benefit?
	I mean, that certainly doesn't benefit humanity.
	Why are they...
	No, it does not benefit humanity.
	But it sure gives them a big supply of carbon dioxide to fly to Mars and create an atmosphere on Mars.
	I've never heard of that before.
	I mean, Elon Musk, heavy lift.
	Is that what he wants to do?
	I'm just guessing.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'm thinking about this stuff.
	I don't know.
	But Mars needs an atmosphere if they're going to colonize it, right?
	Well, why do you want to take carbon dioxide there?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I think you have to deliver it there.
	I don't think you can make it, because I don't think the chemistry of what's available...
	I'm just thinking out loud here, too.
	But I also was thinking, and by the way, I don't advocate any kind of vigilante violence or anything like that, but I was just thinking as a sci-fi movie script, like, in the near future, humanity's starving to death, but resistance fighters, they sneak up on the carbon sequestration machines and blow them up with high explosives to save humanity.
	That would be a movie.
	Sure.
	And then they could breathe again.
	We could just call the movie...
	Breathe again.
	Yeah, right.
	With all the trees.
	That would be good.
	How come the green movement doesn't believe in carbon dioxide that makes things green?
	Because they're not green.
	Because they're not who they say they are.
	They're all functionaries of this, you know, carbon credits.
	I mean, all this is just make money.
	It's crazy.
	Make money at the expense of like...
	Grasslands.
	No, so it drives you back and say, so who does this benefit?
	I don't know how it benefits a small number of people if you destroy all the food.
	I mean, how does that work?
	Yeah, I mean, everybody has to breathe and eat, right?
	Yeah, right.
	I don't know.
	So I don't know.
	Maybe it's bigger than that.
	And we need to start at least thinking about it, even if it was a sci-fi movie.
	It ought to be a good one that was provocative and generated the ideas and allowed people to start to think in those kinds of terms.
	I think when the AI engines are able to render full-length feature films, I'll do a film.
	I'll just, I'll describe the screenplay to the AI engine and let it just render the whole film.
	Right?
	Because we're close to that.
	Yes.
	That'd be a fun project.
	Okay, I'd like to play with you on that one.
	Yeah, we could do that.
	AI engines are building songs with vocals that sound human.
	Oh, I know.
	So let me tell you.
	One of the things that we need going forward into this new space is we need our own media.
	Not just this kind of talk.
	We need feature films.
	We need television.
	We need that are built around these new ideas.
	100%, yeah.
	Because otherwise people can't visualize them and contextualize them and don't have the attention span to kind of, you know.
	But we're at an extraordinary time when that really needs to happen.
	Well, I'm so grateful to be able to speak with you about all of this.
	It's very rare that I can even have conversations like this with people, because I feel like a lot of humanity is being left behind.
	Oh, it is.
	And I don't mean that in like a biblical rapture way.
	I mean, they're becoming obsolete because they're not keeping up with what's happening.
	Let's just take computer coding, for example.
	Now, GitHub is the place, it's the code repository where all the programmers put their code.
	If you go through GitHub now and you do an aggregate analysis, 80% of the code there is written by machines.
	Right.
	Not humans.
	I know.
	80%.
	So...
	IBM has laid off something like almost 70% of their programmers because they can generate it all with machines.
	Well, I'm working with one programmer in particular who says that...
	It's interesting.
	He says that the AI engines makes him five times faster.
	Oh, no.
	I've got guys who will tell you a hundred times faster.
	Well...
	But even 500% enhancement is pretty amazing.
	Yes.
	But it still takes the human mind currently to describe the project.
	Prompt engineering.
	Prompt engineering and your goal-oriented behavior outcomes, right?
	That's why I want to prompt engineer.
	I need to find a good prompt engineer.
	Well, we're pretty good at prompt engineering.
	But then we should talk, because one of the projects that we've got at the Arlington Institute is called TransitionNet.
	Yeah.
	And the objective is to build a global collaboration platform designed specifically so that millions of people can all contribute in a curated way to building a model of a new world.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	Not at all ambitious.
	No, it's a big idea, but you couldn't have done it effectively 10 years ago, and you can now with AI. And you could, you know, you can set it up the model, the way we've got it kind of structured is you've got different chapters around so that you build local community,
	but then they all work on an organized way around an emergent new model of what a new world could look like, and then everybody gets a chance to kind of vote on it and look at it and tune it and So then what I suggest is, and I can tell you a couple companies off camera, but you need open source language model powered AI agents to moderate the processes of this.
	Because you don't want to pay a human being to handle all the questions.
	No, you're right.
	It's interesting.
	So you need automation of that process, but it has to be trained on human decision making.
	Mm-hmm.
	Principles and values.
	Let me share this with you.
	Today's best off-the-shelf open source models are exceeding the scores of open AI from 18 months ago.
	Mm-hmm.
	Think about that.
	So the decentralization of capabilities and knowledge, the gap between open source versus big mega corporations, that gap is collapsing to the point where probably in the next 12 months, what you can run on your desktop will be equivalent to what ChatGPT can give you.
	On the way to Kurzweil land.
	Well, I'm never merging with the machine, I'll tell you that.
	But the singularity...
	I mean, the models are doing reasoning.
	They're doing reasoning.
	They're...
	You used to be able to trip up the models with questions about gravity and things like that.
	Not so much.
	The new models can nail it.
	It's not just word prediction anymore.
	It's reasoning.
	Is that right?
	Yes.
	They have very complex, layered reasoning.
	There are new reasoning models that literally go step by step and relate their own logic steps to arrive at a conclusion.
	Hmm.
	And that's available open source.
	Well, I'll just say it again, is that you can't get into a new world and you can't get there in time unless you start to co-opt and use this and make it our own.
	And that's what's so important about what you're trying to do and why we're happy to be a part of it.
	Well, John, I just want to thank you for this contribution to human knowledge.
	We'll put it to good use, and we'll have this model released early next year.
	And in the meantime, how can people follow your work, give out your website again?
	Yeah.
	Well, we're located at arlingtoninstitute.org, and we've got a lot of stuff.
	Everything that we do at the Arlington Institute is about facilitating the transition to a new world.
	Ah.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	And so we've got a variety of different kind of programs.
	I've got a newsletter that I've been publishing for 35 years, and we send it all over the world about the future and emergent kind of things.
	And we've got these transition talks, this program.
	You know, Greg will be back with us.
	Greg Braden will be back with us in May, I think it is.
	Dave Martin will be with us in April.
	He comes every year.
	He used to be on my board a long time ago.
	And so we all have very provocative, interesting people who come and we livestream that as well as we operate.
	We're located in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, which is a little resort town that's about 100 miles from Washington and Baltimore in the Appalachian Mountains in West Virginia.
	You're just outside of the blast zone.
	You're right.
	I know what you're up to.
	Two mountain ranges in from the coast.
	It's a marvelous little place.
	We have a wonderful time once a month.
	We have dinners and all kinds of things that are part of the program with the presentation.
	We have that called Transition Talks.
	You can find that at transitiontalks.org.
	And then we've got a variety of other kind of things.
	How are you funded?
	Is there a subscription?
	Yes, we have a membership, and so you can become a premium member, and you should look into that because there's a variety of kind of advantages to that.
	And then people can't pay to come to our programs, and that keeps us going.
	Wow.
	Well, that's amazing.
	And I really love what you're doing.
	I want to support your institute.
	And I would only ask that ping me more often about your events, your interviews, so that we can help share them with people.
	Thank you.
	And I think also, ultimately, what would make a lot of sense is to take every video that you've done and let's transcribe it.
	Okay.
	And we do have some, you know, I mentioned we're pretty good at prompt engineering, so we have perfected some prompts that can convert spoken word into equivalent academic writing.
	Hmm.
	And I trained it on Alex Jones.
	So I can take Alex Jones' speeches and turn them into a white paper that sounds like it's written by a university PhD.
	So that's a pretty good prompt.
	Take out the style.
	We've gone through many iterations.
	But we can take your spoken word.
	We can convert it.
	Although I normally don't like to train models on spoken word.
	Not even my own spoken word.
	But in your case, I think We have software that will convert it.
	That's amazing.
	I'm so glad to connect with you on this.
	Hey, I feel like as long as people like you exist and people like us and what we're doing, maybe humanity does have a chance.
	Absolutely.
	Sometimes I get a little blackpilled about the human race, you know?
	Easy to do.
	Yeah, but you give me hope, John.
	Thank you.
	Nice to be with you.
	Thanks for doing this.
	Thank you, and thanks for joining me today.
	Alright everybody, John Peterson there from the Arlington Institute, so be sure to visit his website, check out what he's got to offer, and hey, share this interview.
	This is a big, eye-opening interview.
	I hope you agree.
	We've covered a lot of major topics here, and your future is not going to resemble your past.
	My advice is expand your understanding now so it's not such a shock to your system when really big things begin to happen.
	The great reveal is coming, no question about it.
	So I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.com, free speech network here.
	You can post videos on Brighteon if you wish.
	But don't forget, Brighteon.ai is where we're going to be releasing for free the AI language model that uses this data right here.
	That John was kind enough to offer to us.
	And that will be released as an open-source, downloadable LLM that will run on your desktop systems.
	And that's coming out March 1st or sooner, and the codename is Enoch.
	So look for that.
	It's one of our contributions to humanity to help preserve and decentralize human knowledge.
	Again, I'm Mike Adams.
	Thank you for listening today.
	Take care.
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