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Sept. 15, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Prof. Michel Chossudovsky warns Mike Adams about global NUCLEAR WAR...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we're joined by a first-time guest here, an extraordinary individual, a voice of truth and courage in our world.
His name is Professor Michel Chosudovsky, and he is a professor of economics emeritus at the University of Ottawa.
And he also runs globalresearch.ca, which is an extraordinary resource for geopolitical, economic, and public health analysis around the world.
He joins us today for what I think will be an intriguing, in-depth discussion of world events.
Welcome, Professor.
It's an honor to have you join us today, sir.
Well, I'm delighted to be on the program.
I must say that this morning I read your...
Well, I viewed...
The statement that you made on the dangers of World War III pertaining to a false flag which was to be conducted in the context of these war games in the Black Sea.
And I think that this is of course historical in your understanding and how you compared it to Pearl Harbor.
And I think that That is, I think, is the topic of discussion today.
It's the statement that you made and the significance of that statement.
And of course, ultimately, our objective is to undermine any kind of World War III perspective.
Absolutely.
Well, you have put out many warnings over the years about the consequences of nuclear war, and I've seen some videos based on your research, for example, and it's absolutely devastating.
You know, human civilization cannot function in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange among the First world nations here, or superpowers, I should say.
And yet, I believe, and you are free to agree or disagree, but I believe we find ourselves now in a situation where the U.S. empire in particular is run by insane lunatics who do not consider the consequences of nuclear war, who do not understand history, do not understand geopolitics, and they have a kind of arrogance and a bully tactics approach A point of view that makes them dangerous because they do not understand the limits of their own power.
That's the context from which I made that statement, if that makes sense.
Does any of that resonate with what you're thinking?
It certainly does because I think the problem is that the decision-makers, they're not necessarily specialists in nuclear war.
They believe their own propaganda.
That's fundamental.
And in fact, decision makers are really the victims of propaganda.
And at the same time, they create propaganda.
But I recall when I started working on nuclear weapons, I've been doing research on nuclear weapons for more than 20 years.
But what struck me Was this nuclear postural review under the Bush administration, which was published in 2002.
But really what it entailed is that public opinion was led to believe that nuclear weapons, particularly the so-called mini-nukes, were harmless to the surrounding civilian population because the explosion is underground.
And consequently, they are safe for civilians.
I'm always quoting the Pentagon documents there.
In other words, the irony is it's a little bit like a pack of cigarettes and you say smoking is good for your health.
That's what they did.
They changed the label.
They said this bomb is good for your health.
Go ahead and use it.
And that was entrenched In the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review, and at the same time, it recategorized nuclear weapons so that the nuclear weapons could be used in the conventional war theater, and they did not require The permission of the Commander-in-Chief.
It could be a three-star general.
Now, that, I think, is the beginning of this whole process.
And that puts us in very dangerous waters.
And just for the audience to get up to speed, what you are referring to, my Black Sea warning, that was a podcast that I did that warned that the naval exercises that are currently being conducted in Operation Sea Breeze 23 in that was a podcast that I did that warned that the naval exercises that are currently being conducted in Operation Sea Breeze 23 in the Black Sea, they could be used as
In the same way that, of course, the Baltic Sea operations were used as a cover story to plant the explosives that blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, which was a civilian infrastructure target that has devastated the industrial economies of Germany and other Western European nations.
So it's not like this is a wild theory.
This is something that the U.S. has done before, and I'm very concerned that they may do it again.
Apparently you share some of my concern, at least, in that area.
Well, absolutely, because I would say that the greatest threat of nuclear war doesn't come from the Russians.
They still believe in mutually assured destruction and they have a defensive deployment of nuclear weapons.
But let's say the United States, first of all, the United States has invested in a $1.3 trillion nuclear weapons program.
Which, in effect, goes into the pockets of the military-industrial complex.
But it also points to the fact that nuclear weapons are on the table.
They're not something which are there as a weapon of last resort.
And then there's also this belief that they can actually win a nuclear war.
No, nuclear wars aren't winnable.
So that, in a sense, what you reviewed as the possible false flag, comparing it, let's say, to Pearl Harbor.
Well, Pearl Harbor was the destruction of U.S. Navy, which was in the port of Pearl Harbor, and that was used as a pretext to Ultimately, to wage war on Japan.
That's right.
And what you're saying essentially is that an incident in the Black Sea resulting from this exercise and deployment of military hardware could lead to a false flag, which would then trigger And I think your understanding is absolutely impeccable.
And it has to be, we have to analyze that.
And we have to refute, we have to reveal it.
But there's a whole history behind that.
And now, I think you mentioned, of course, you mentioned Victoria Nuland in your interview.
And Victoria Nuland, when she says, fuck the EU, she really means it.
Yes.
She means it because you also said it's a war on the European Union.
There's no question about it.
This is a war on the European Union because it is coupled with devastating economic measures, which are literally destabilizing the economies of major powers, including, of course, Germany and France and the United Kingdom already with Brexit.
But there we are.
And And at the same time, the leaders of the European Union are complicit, in fact, they're completely subordinate to Washington.
Now, you know, the chancellor, the German chancellor, was supportive of the action on Nord Stream.
Despite the fact that this was devastating as far as the German economy is concerned.
Well, you mentioned some really critical points here.
Victoria Nuland in particular, I believe, in my opinion, she is one of the most dangerous figures in the history of the United States of America.
And she clearly has ethnic hatred toward people of Russian ethnicity or descent.
And she seeks the total destruction of an entire ethnic group, which is the kind of mindset that we saw before, obviously, with the Nazis and the Third Reich.
And it's astonishing to me that her obvious hatred is allowed to run amok across U.S. foreign policy.
And it's this kind of thing that leads me to believe that out of sheer desperation to destroy Russia, that the United States is willing to set off a nuclear weapon against its own naval vessels if necessary.
In a Pearl Harbor-like incident, like you were mentioning, in order to gain public support for full engagement with Russia in World War III, which would be absolutely devastating for our planet.
Deranged woman, in my opinion, who has a history of her grandfather with Russia and so on, and she wants to take it out on an entire nation.
This is a very dangerous thing to allow to have influence over our foreign policy.
Well, I think that Victoria Nuland is an instrument of their powerful entities behind her, which stay in the shadows.
I think you're absolutely right, but it's not necessarily by removing Victoria Nuland that things are going to change from one day to the next.
It's actually going to help, because the discourse is such.
But, I mean, Victoria Nuland is in Africa.
She's all over the place, as far as...
As far as regime change is concerned.
But I think the history of the Ukraine war is absolutely fundamental.
Because I recall, and I've written on that, is that Stoltenberg, the Secretary General of NATO, in other words, he made a statement a few months back Saying very textually, the war started in 2014.
Now, when he made that statement, he didn't realize, most probably didn't realize the implications because everybody says it's the Russians that started it, you know, in 2022.
In February 2022.
But then he said, no, it didn't start.
It's there.
He said very clearly, and it's on record.
It was an interview with the Washington Post.
It started, he says, the war didn't start in 2022.
It started in 2014.
Now, that is obviously a statement which has devastating implications from a legal point of view and so on and so forth.
And then, of course, when you start to look at the history of that war, starting in 2014, Victoria Nuland was there, associated very closely with the two Nazi parties, the right sector and Svoboda.
And also complicit in atrocities which were committed during the Maidan, the so-called Euro Maidan.
I followed through on that and she has links with Nazis all over the place, you know?
And so one has to label things, one has to To understand that there is a neo-Nazi agenda which is embedded in US foreign policy.
And when I look at the project of the new American century, it has also a certain doctrine behind it.
When they say, we are going to wage a long war, They use the term the long war, and we will wage a whole series of theater wars.
That's the statement at the beginning.
And we will also modernize our weapons system and so on.
But the thing is, those wars are simultaneous.
That's also something which we find in, of course, Newland must have been also involved because her husband, Kagan, was one of the authors of this project of the New American Century.
But when they say, they don't say consecutive wars, they say simultaneous.
And that defines the situation we are in today.
In other words, they're threatening, essentially they're threatening China, they're threatening Russia, they're threatening Iran, and they're obviously also threatening the European Union.
And they're sanctioning a hundred other nations.
Exactly.
But the thing is that it is a global, it is an act of global warfare.
Yes.
And the question is, are they in a position to do these, to undertake these operations simultaneously in China on the one hand and in Eastern Europe on the other?
Well, clearly, no.
I mean, clearly the U.S. economic situation, the industrial situation, I mean, our industry is not a shadow of what it was post-World War II, right?
And we don't have a willing labor pool in the United States.
And we're funding everything with a money printing machine that's out of control and is devaluing the dollar rapidly, of course, while other nations are looking at their own clearing currencies, BRICS nations, and so on.
But you're hinting at something here that's a point that you have written and spoken about a lot.
I want to ask you...
The phrase is peaceful coexistence.
And why is it, do you think, that the United States in particular does not believe in the peaceful coexistence or even the existence of other nations that are sovereign nations?
The U.S.? Well, it certainly is.
I've been looking at World War III scenarios for quite some time.
Some of them are declassified, and one which is very important, it's always four countries which are targeted in a World War III scenario.
Actually, when they give They create names in these scenarios which are run by the Pentagon or by some think tank associated with the Pentagon like Rand.
But there's one which is quite revealing and it's very detailed.
And it is, there are four powers, four countries, Sharia, China, Rubik, Russia, Namaste, North Korea, and Irvingham, Iran.
Those are the four countries, okay?
It may sound ridiculous, but they have it all programmed, and those are the targets.
And it is always those four countries which are considered to be the object of simultaneous targeting, okay?
I mean, there may be other countries around the world, but those are the countries that they consider as a threat, so-called threat to U.S. national security.
So that kind of ideology has been there, and I think it's been there even before Victoria Nuland became active in politics.
It goes back to the 90s or to the mid-90s, And there's always a sequence of military operations.
We saw that in regards to the Middle East.
Absolutely.
Desert Storm and Libya taking out Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein and so on.
Yeah, I mean, it was all part of the same thing.
This doctrine of, you know, you either become a puppet state of the US or we will destroy you and assassinate your leader.
And let us not forget, I know you know this, Professor, but just reminding our audience, you know, the U.S. intelligence community fabricated the existence of weapons of mass destruction to justify waging an illegal war against Iraq.
It was completely fabricated.
And yet the U.S. never faces consequences for its international crimes committed against other sovereign nations.
Never consequences.
Well, I mean, you know, the propaganda ploy is there, but it's also the fact that you have people who claim to be progressive and who support U.S.-led wars.
I mean, you have Professor Falk, Richard Falk at Princeton.
He's a member of the Council of Foreign Relations and not A couple of weeks after the war in Afghanistan was launched on the 7th of October 2001, he said, this is a just war.
It's a just war.
And it was published.
And then it became a label.
First of all, people didn't want to recognize the 9-11 truth.
People on the left denied it, and of course then they believed ultimately that Osama bin Laden was a terrorist and leading a war against the United States, etc., etc., with a refusal to even enter into any kind of discussion.
Now, I think Many of us have covered the 9-11 attacks.
And I think what is revealing is the Taliban government said, if you want to extradite Osama bin Laden, we're prepared to send him off to the United States.
And that was made through diplomatic channels twice.
It was never revealed.
They said, yeah, here he is.
If you give us, we'll enter into negotiations on his extradition.
And they did it on two occasions.
Now, everybody should know that, oh yes, of course, that's where things, that's where the whole thing went into high gear,
is when on the 12th of September, The Atlantic Council invoked Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, which is collective defense, and saying we've been attacked by a foreign power.
They don't mention who the foreign power was, but there were no Afghani planes in the skies of New York that particular day.
But they pegged Afghanistan as As a foreign power which had attacked America.
Now, of course, that's absolutely nonsensical, whatever was the interpretation of 9-11.
It was a terrorist attack, and there was no proof that the foreign government was behind it.
And then that foreign government sends a message through diplomatic channels saying, here we are, if you want to extradite The mastermind, alleged mastermind of 9-11 tax, were willing to collaborate with you.
And the U.S. wasn't interested in that?
Oh no, no, absolutely not.
Because they wanted to wage a war.
They wanted to justify the war.
And you know how, you've heard the term narco-state describing Colombia, for example, that it was at one time, maybe even to some extent today, a government captured by the narcotics industry.
Well, America is a war state.
And perhaps arguably a pharma state.
So the United States government has been captured by the war machine to the point where perpetual warfare is absolutely necessary for the U.S. government to maintain power and control over its own people through expansion of surveillance powers, for example, which at one time were said to only be used against terrorists and now it's used against the American people.
But more importantly, the financial racketeering of the industrial complex, the military industrial complex, and the money printing that takes place, the kickbacks, the bribery, the fraud...
The money that's being sent to Ukraine, supposedly $110 billion, how little of that actually ends up buying anything for soldiers on the front lines of Ukraine?
Rather, it ends up in the pockets of wealthy elitists living in mansions in Virginia or around the Washington, D.C. beltway.
The United States is captured by this perpetual warfare racket.
And it doesn't seem like there's any way out of it.
I mean, even conservatives keep voting for war and more funding.
And very few people have the courage.
Perhaps Ron Paul or Senator Rand Paul have the courage to stand up and say no.
But we're captured, are we not, by the military machine?
Well, what I've noticed as an economist is that the United States is not interested in winning the wars...
But is essentially interested in appropriating the wealth and, in fact, imposing the neoliberal agenda from an economic standpoint.
Now, that was the case of Vietnam.
Theoretically, Vietnam won the war, but had to pay war reparations to the United States.
That's one thing, but in the wake of some form of normalization, I went to Vietnam on several occasions after the war, and then they had to pay reparations to the United States to normalize, and then they imposed neoliberal policies.
Neoliberal policies, which literally led to the impoverishment of that country.
And that is the objective.
They destroy one country after the other, and then they pick up the pieces.
And that, of course, means that the war has to go on for a long period.
Now, with regard to Ukraine, we already have projects.
It's the BlackRock, JP Morgan project, literally to privatize the entire country.
And it's on record.
They say, we're coming to the rescue.
Of course, the debt goes fly high.
And that country becomes a property Of the largest portfolio investment firm on the planet.
And so that really is the endgame now.
And to some extent, even the enemies, so-called enemies of America, are complicit in the neoliberal model.
China's It's a cheap labor exporting economy with the wages that are the lowest are very, very low.
I've done research on China.
I started in the 80s, but I'm amazed when people say, oh, China is a socialist country.
Nonsense!
It's not a socialist country.
When you When you try to minimize the wages of workers, and there's a 72-hour working week in China.
It's called 699.
Now, it means six days a week, nine in the morning until nine in the evening.
Yeah, I've heard that.
Leo Jojo, right?
Yeah, that's...
I mean...
I've heard that phrase.
But, you know, I think really what characterizes the geopolitics now is a very complex system of alliances and also alliances with both enemies and friends.
But in fact, the friends are invariably transformed into enemies.
Now, obviously, that's true.
If you look at NATO... There's no such thing as collective security, because the United States controls all these countries.
And the U.S. bombed the infrastructure that provided natural gas energy to NATO. I mean, if you have friends like the U.S., you don't need enemies because the U.S. is bombing your – the U.S. is destroying your industry.
And I can't help but think that part of that is currency wars.
But can I ask you – can we shift gears a little bit into COVID and public health?
Well, certainly.
Absolutely.
It's – In a sense, it's related.
Yeah, that's because you're a big picture thinker connecting the dots globally.
So I want to ask you, what's the role you think of this COVID pandemic?
And now we see it's coming back.
We see the FDA granted emergency use authorization for a new batch, a whole new vaccine that Newsweek just admitted has only been tested on eight mice.
That's it.
No human trials.
No safety data.
No efficacy data beyond eight mice.
Governor Hochul of New York is telling everybody to take the new vaccine because the old vaccine doesn't work, she says, anymore.
Too bad.
Sorry if you took that one.
And we see this push now.
And we see how the media...
Just wages of propaganda war against the American people, how hospitals are turned into homicide centers to literally murder patients so that they can crank out the COVID fatality numbers that the media can pounce on in order to spread more fear and drive more people into more vaccines.
So in your picture, in your view, what's the role of this as we are facing potentially World War III? Well, you know, I've been investigating this COVID crisis right from the beginning, and I've looked into the data.
I can say, first of all, that the pandemic never existed.
There was no threat of an epidemic.
Because when it started, they had only 83 cases.
That was on the 30th of January of 2020.
And when they declared the lockdown, they had something of the order of 44,279 cases, cumulative cases worldwide.
I looked into the data when it was announced on the 11th of March 2020 for Canada, and on that particular day there was only 125 cases throughout Canada for a population of 38 million people.
Now, I can say that when they announced, when Tedros announced the imminence of a pandemic, That was on the 20th or 21st of February, and he made a very powerful statement.
He said, the windows are closing.
We're very close to a pandemic, and this is a very serious situation.
You know how many cases there were worldwide out of China, 1,076 cases.
Now, I've documented that first stage.
Now, on top of that, those figures are meaningless because They're all relying on the PCR test, which does not under any circumstances detect the virus.
We know that.
Agreed.
It's a complete fraud.
So it's a complete fraud, but yet it is being used to wage a fear campaign, and it is also being used to justify the launching of A solution to a non-existent pandemic, which is the vaccine.
Now, concerning the vaccine, the vaccine was launched in November of 2020.
People should look at the history.
I just mentioned I wrote out a book on the COVID crisis, which anybody can go and download.
It's free.
It's 15 chapters.
What's the title of the book?
The Worldwide Corona Crisis Engineered Coup d'État.
The other element is, first of all, that The vaccine was launched in November 2020.
Well, it was initially launched, but then it was implemented more or less as of mid-December.
Now, the smoking gun behind that is the Pfizer report, which was supposed to be confidential.
And it's a report based on mortality and adverse events between the middle of December until the end of February, two and a half months.
That report, it's an internal report.
It has a relatively large sample of something like 45,000.
And the thing is, that report exists.
It has been released under Freedom of Information.
It was released in October 2021.
In other words, that was quite a while back.
And anybody who reads this report will come to the conclusion that this is a killer vaccine.
And it's not a peer-reviewed analysis of Of the vaccine or whatever.
It comes from the horse's mouth.
It is their report.
It is their data.
And on the basis of that, what I've stated with regard to the vaccine is that inasmuch as Pfizer put forth a killer vaccine and went through the process of Of documenting it in a report which is now available to everybody.
The media don't mention it.
But everybody can go and look at that.
And it's thousands of adverse events.
It's all documented.
It's all there.
We don't need to have anybody.
We don't even need official data.
Now, the thing is that if you look at it from a legal point of view, it is homicide up until...
February 28th.
After that, it's manslaughter.
After that, it becomes murder.
After that, it becomes murder.
Because the data were known at that point.
The data is known to them.
And it's known also to the governments which are supporting them.
This was confidential, but the CDC and so on, they all had access to that.
And the governments have access to it.
It was confidential as far as the public is concerned.
Now, anybody can go and read that report.
Now, what I'm saying is that this is a criminal undertaking from the very point of publication of that report because first of all, it doesn't It has a track record of mortality and morbidity, which is then documented by a whole series of other studies.
But what I'm saying is, after February 28th, it becomes genocide.
Because knowingly, they know that this is a killer substance.
And it can no longer, and it never was a cure No, it's not even today.
The establishment doesn't even claim that it prevents transmission or infections whatsoever.
Their claim is that it minimizes symptoms of someone who gets infected.
And this is why all the people, even Joe Biden and Jill Biden, boosted, injected multiple times.
They keep, quote, catching COVID, right?
Yeah.
But then what do you think was the point of this to commit genocide against your own population while at the same time waging war or escalating war against other targeted nations that we've already mentioned like China and Russia?
What is the big master plan of this?
Well, I mean...
If one looks at the statements of the World Economic Forum, and some of those are public statements, and if one looks at the Treaty of Rome, there is a depopulation agenda worldwide.
It's clear now, and it's confirmed by very powerful people.
They don't hide it.
They say, well, we have to reduce the world population.
Now, I've looked into my latest piece is to look at the chronology of this vaccine, which now has been what we have now worldwide.
This is a worldwide process.
We have 13.2 We're going on 14 billion doses have been administered.
Yes.
14 billion doses have been administered more or less in more than 190 countries.
There's only one major region of the world, which is sub-Saharan Africa, where the actual process, the figures are much lower.
But for most countries in the world, it's It's up to 75% of the population have at least taken two doses.
And that's going on.
Now, I must say there are two things.
First of all, the lockdown was not a public health emergency.
It was an act of economic warfare.
Absolutely.
Completely agree.
And I must say, I haven't seen a single economist actually say that.
Many of my friends, they will say it's the virus.
It's the virus that did it.
This is a critical point.
If you're going to, as a globalist, achieve global depopulation, then that has to be tied to economic sabotage.
And also, by the way, I think the linchpin of it is energy.
So energy sabotage.
is what really brings down the economy as well.
Not just the lockdowns, but energy sabotage because, of course, as you know, everything requires energy.
Farming, food production, transportation, manufacturing, all of it.
And you notice that then the climate agenda is a very convenient cover story to say that we have to shut down all sources of energy production, which affects food and economies and increases poverty and desperation, makes people More obedient to things like vaccine mandates so they can get their, you know, universal basic income.
It's all tied together, isn't it?
Well, it is all tied together.
There are complexities and there are overlapping agendas.
But, I mean, to get back to the issue of stating that the lockdown was an act of economic warfare, I would say that this is simple 101 economics.
I'd ask my students, I'd say, what happens if you confine the workforce?
The entire workforce is confined, right?
And the workplace is frozen.
Now, anybody who is taking a first-year course in economics who hasn't been indoctrinated will say, it's obvious.
It's going to trigger a crash in real economic activity.
Now, That's really what happens, and it triggers bankruptcies, it destroys small and medium-sized enterprises, and it results in mass unemployment and rising debt, okay?
Rising debt, which is also an instrument of controlling people's lives.
Now, I had great trouble there because nobody really understood that, and the medical doctors They got into the debate, but they got into the debate much later with the vaccine.
They didn't really get into the debate with the lockdown.
I can say that the lockdown also had an objective to reduce population because it creates mass poverty worldwide.
And that, I've spent a good part of my life analyzing the impacts of food prices on, let's say, morbidity.
It's obvious.
I mean, if you don't have enough to eat, it affects your health, obviously.
That's very clear.
Those relationships are very clear.
So that when you Particularly in countries where the lockdown, like India, where they had the lockdown, but 50% of the urban labor force doesn't have a home.
That's what happened.
And then Prime Minister Modi says, go back to your villages.
How far is that?
About a thousand miles away.
And I can say, I spoke to people in India, they died on the road.
But there was a massive media blackout.
They wouldn't even talk about it.
Talking about poverty, since you brought it up, in the United States right now, we're seeing people who used to shop at Target now shop at Walmart.
Those who shopped at Walmart are shopping at the dollar store.
Those who used to shop at the dollar store are now shoplifting from the dollar store.
So we're seeing a rapid downgrade of the economic circumstances for many Americans, many millions of Americans.
The dollar is losing value because of the devaluation effects of money printing.
Food inflation continues to skyrocket.
We had new consumer price index numbers just released, I think yesterday or today, that are rather alarming and inflation is back upon us yet again.
Aren't these the kinds of events historically that lead to social destabilization and in many cases, you know, revolts and uprisings?
When people can't afford to eat, they tend to take to the streets, do they not?
Well, I think you're absolutely right.
It does create hardship.
It's divisive.
But at the same time, these global financial elites control the protest movements.
I've looked into that.
In other words, you have people who are in climate, then you have people who are involved in issues of racial discrimination and so on and so forth.
And what is distinct in this crisis is that we don't really have a mass movement which can go against it.
Because they say, well, no, we need to push forth the climate agenda.
And you can see the massive protest movements taking place all over the world.
These are fake protests.
Well, I'm not...
I think that the grassroots is being manipulated.
But we're not able to mobilize people against this agenda of impoverishment and depopulation.
There's a lot of divisiveness, and people are confused as to the causes of this crisis.
They still believe, of course, that the virus is responsible for their demise.
Now, another aspect, and now we're gearing into a new fear campaign, as you pointed out.
I think that that fear campaign also has another purpose.
It's more or less to distract people from the dangers of nuclear war.
In other words, they're saying, well, there's a new...
A virus which is developing, which is similar to COVID or whatever, with variants and sub-variants.
Now, all that discourse and the various pandemics which are being planned ahead of time is based on a fundamental fraud and falsehood.
And maybe I should I'll try to summarize it rather briefly.
Sure, go ahead.
First of all, people have to understand, I mean, we've been inundated with Omicrons and Deltas and sub-variants of Omicron, etc., etc., etc.
Okay?
Now, that is all fraud.
And the reason is as follows.
When the WHO started up in January, they initially said, we must identify the virus.
Now, there was a novella virus.
It was presented in early January of 2020 as a new virus.
In fact, what happened is the WHO, and Bill Gates was involved in that, they said, we're not able to isolate and identify the new virus.
That is an official statement of the WHO. They said, we are not able to isolate or identify the new virus.
And then they had a report.
It wasn't from the Wuhan Institute.
It was from the Berlin Institute.
It was a report commissioned by Bill Gates to the fact that because the new virus could not be isolated, they recommended using another virus, which dates back to 2003.
And they said, well, they're similar.
So that, in effect, they were taking SARS-2-0-3, which was then renamed as SARS-CoV-1, and then they said, oh, the new virus is similar to the other one, and then they named it SARS-CoV-2.
Now, people don't really understand that there were changes in names from one Period to another.
But what is taken as a point of reference in the PCR test is not the novella virus.
It is a virus which resembles the novella virus, which is a 2003 virus.
And that is where you have this 2.
Nobody really says, why is it 2?
Well, It's called SARS-CoV-2.
That means that, in effect, the virus that we consider as a threat to humanity is considered to be a variant of a virus which existed 20 years ago.
Now, that was all fraudulent, and I suspect that That it was there with regard to intellectual property rights and patent.
So that you have a whole sequence of concepts.
There was this tabletop simulation back in October of 2019.
They came up with the name of a virus.
It was called And then WHO comes up with exactly the same name as the simulation, which was exactly the same name.
They inverted simply the date.
And then after that, a couple of weeks later, they came up with SARS-CoV-2.
They come up with SARS-CoV-2.
Where does the two come from?
It's a variant of a virus which they take as a point of reference in the PCR test, which is totally meaningless, which goes back to 2003.
So that when you say, oh, beware of the Omicron, which is supposed to be a variant of SARS-CoV-2, It's a nonsensical statement, but first of all, the PCR test doesn't identify neither the viruses nor the variants,
but the point of reference that they're using is a virus which was used to customize The PCR test, which dates back to 2003, and which in the meantime has hundreds of hundreds, thousands of variants, okay, in the course of the last 20 years.
Well, that's the revenue model.
They can always roll out another variant because they've got lots to choose from.
Well, when they say Omicron is a variant of SARS-CoV-2, well, my answer is saying SARS-CoV-2 is not the original virus.
It's a virus which existed 30 years ago.
That's the point of reference.
And in any event, the PCR test doesn't detect the viruses.
Everybody knows that.
So this is a fraud.
These variants, first of all, they can't be detected.
And I've checked I've checked when they get the data.
They come up and they say, according to somebody coming back from Africa, and he was tested at the airport with a PCR test, the PCR test doesn't detect anything.
It detects genetic sequences.
So there we are.
We have this fraudulent emphasis on variants, and each time the variant is announced, You have movements on the stock markets, okay?
I've been following that.
It's a money-making operation, because on the one hand, it creates fear, and on the other, it also leads to movements, let's say, in the values of big pharma.
Well, and Professor, they've created the perfect crime cartel because the WHO now has been given dictatorial control over the allowable window of speech across big tech platforms.
So anyone who disagrees with the WHO, and the WHO is, of course, all in with big pharma and this racket that you're talking about.
But if you disagree with the WHO, your content is removed or penalized or shadow banned and you're deplatformed.
So there is now no mechanism by which anyone can question these false narratives.
You know, quote, the science.
It's not self-correcting anymore.
There's no dissenting view that is allowed to even be stated publicly on any of these controlled platforms.
And, you know, that's why this platform is so crucial, Brighteon, because, you You can't say these things.
We can't even have this discussion on YouTube without being deplatformed.
So they've locked the whole system up.
It's a self-reinforcing global fraud tied to big pharma profits, government control, and depopulation.
And if I were to put a label on the whole thing, I might call it a worldwide IQ test.
See who is obedient enough to go along with all of this without asking common sense questions like, where are the safety tests of this?
Or how does a PCR test determine the concentration of viruses in a person's blood?
Because it doesn't.
It doesn't at all.
So it can't diagnose anybody with anything.
PCR cannot diagnose anything.
Well, but that's it.
I mean, but even without the PCR test, there was no...
Assuming that the PCR test is valid, there was no justification for the lockdown, okay?
Right.
Because the numbers were so trivial.
But on top of that...
Now, of course, they boost up the numbers the moment they start testing people, and the fear campaign boosts up the numbers.
But as you say, the actual PCR test doesn't detect anything.
It detects, it could be seasonal influenza, common cold, and so on and so forth.
In other words, when A person tests positive, it doesn't mean that they've got COVID-19.
That's right.
That's right.
But people don't really know that.
But the thing is even far more serious because they make us believe now that there are a whole series of variants and sub-variants of the deadly virus, which has never been identified.
I mean, the absurdity is to say even this particular new virus resembles the one 2003.
It's like a blind date because you can't even, if you haven't done the isolate, you can't say she looks, you know, you can't identify her.
Sorry for the analogy, but it is.
If the 2003 virus is taken as a point of reference, which is similar to the new one, but the new one we can't even identify, well, we don't even know what we're talking about.
That's right.
The thing is, people are led to believe that the Omicron and the Delta and all that is a new, and the sub-variants of those labels there constitute a threat, and then they go and they get vaccinated, and But I mean, here we are.
I think really if we're going to wage a campaign, or we are waging a campaign, we have to inform people.
First of all, we have to tell them that this is a scam right from the beginning.
There was no pandemic.
And secondly, we have to tell them that the vaccine, based on the Pfizer report, is absolutely clear that this is genocide.
Because we have all their figures.
Well, no question about it.
And Professor, we're almost out of time here, but I want to point out the similarity between what's happening in Ukraine and what we've just been talking about here in the United States.
So, you know, the Ukrainian government has, since 2014, fired artillery against its own citizens.
In the Donbass region, right?
They have waged kinetic warfare against civilians in the Donbass region.
In fact, that is still happening today.
But the American empire, the U.S. empire, which I would argue does not represent real America.
This is an occupied enemy regime in power that violates the spirit of America.
But they wage biological warfare, economic warfare, psychological warfare against the American people.
So here we have two countries that are both at war with their own people just using different kinds of weapons to achieve that warfare.
And here we are.
We thought that...
I mean, the average American thinks their government is protecting them from COVID or protecting them from Russia.
Russia is no threat to the United States if not provoked by the U.S. You know, it's...
Well, you know, the irony, to get back to the issue of the lockdown, 190 countries, including all the alleged enemies of the United States, they endorsed the consensus, okay?
And that, from my standpoint, the lockdown is an act of war against humanity.
It's 190 countries.
Now, how is it all these countries, including Russia, endorsed something which is a falsehood?
And they have tons of scientists and doctors which could have revealed it, what we're discussing now.
And how is it that That the Russians also then entered into the vaccine business and so on.
There's not a single country on earth which did not actually refute.
Well, there were a few, and mainly in the Caribbean and in Africa, but again, China was a partner, Russia was a partner, Cuba was a partner, and that Lockdown is an act of global warfare, and it's an act of warfare against your own people as well.
So what's your explanation of why those countries did that, specifically China and Russia?
Why would they go along with this?
Well, first of all, I think that the leaders of those countries, they have a lot of Trojan horses all over the place, right?
Yeah.
I can answer much better the case of China because I've done research on China for more than 30 years.
But if you have allies within China, the business communities, the fact is that the Chinese economy is very much Embedded into the systems of global trade and so on and so forth.
But at the same time, the Chinese CDC, which is headed by George Gaofu, he's a buddy of Fauci.
Fauci is his mentor and so on.
They have their people within Within the Chinese establishment, and then you have the Chinese billionaires there, which are complicit as well.
So I can say that ultimately they are supportive in a sense of the economic agenda.
There may be divisions with regard to the geopolitical agenda, but when I go to China, and I've been going to China back and forth for many, many years, I find First of all, the intellectuals and the business people are very pro-US. And it's pro-US establishment.
It's not...
I mean, they're good people, but they...
They believe the narratives that the US pushes, especially surrounding pharmaceuticals.
Well, they are, you know, without China...
They never would have been able to implement this project because all the products, let's say the vaccine doses and all that, they're all done in Chinese companies.
That's right.
The swabs, the masks.
The whole massive trade.
But at the same time, the COVID crisis was used to destabilize The Chinese economy.
Yes.
But it was also being used, it's also because there were people in China who went along with that when they had zero, what was it called, zero, COVID zero campaign, which was implemented first in Shanghai and various In various industrial cities, and it was all based on ridiculous data where people were confined to their homes.
So that happened about a year ago.
Professor, I'm sorry to interrupt.
We're going to have to wrap this up.
We're almost out of time here.
I can't believe it's been well over an hour.
We'll have to do this again.
But any final thoughts you want to offer to wrap this up?
Well, let's put it this way.
I think that, as you pointed out, we're dealing with a very complex process, but we should not divorce the war in Ukraine from the restructuring of the social fabric throughout the world,
which is the consequence of the COVID crisis, both Both the fact that the lockdown triggered what I would consider the most serious economic and social crisis in world history, because it's generalized, 190 countries.
And secondly, the vaccine, which is an act of, which is a criminal act because it is known, we know it, that it kills people.
And in that regard, It has had a certain relationship to the military agenda.
And then, as you mentioned, it's also the manipulation of energy prices.
And we're not living in a free market economy.
All these prices are manipulated, and they're very often manipulated on the stock exchanges, on the commodity exchanges, and so on.
So that's another element and I think it's a very complex but it's also coherent because it's ultimately leading to depopulation and impoverishment at a worldwide level and a process of enrichment which is limited to a handful of billionaires and so on and so forth and I think Ultimately,
what we have to do is to develop a worldwide movement which addresses these various dimensions.
It's both anti-war, it's anti-COVID, and so on and so forth.
And that, of course, revealing the truth, but the truth has to be spread and, of course, The major obstacle there is the fact that we have censorship and we have a media which prevents us from revealing that truth.
Indeed, indeed.
Well, we're going to have to leave it there, Professor.
This has been an extraordinary conversation, and I hope the first of many.
We've got to get together again.
And discuss what's going on even in more detail.
Let me give out your website.
GlobalResearch.ca is the site to go to, folks, to check out the work of Professor Chosodovsky and others there.
And, Professor, I just want to thank you for taking the time to speak with us today.
This has been really enlightening.
Well, we are very much...
Your message, your analysis, going back, I think...
To 2009, it's been about 14 years that you've been contributing to global research.
Is that right?
Your analysis is absolutely impeccable and people are reading you all over the world.
So we look forward to collaborating with you.
And as you said, we're living in a very complex context.
We have to address the complexities, but we also have to address common sense.
Yes.
And people, if the vaccine, let's start with the vaccine.
If the vaccine is a killer vaccine and we can prove it, there we are.
Pfizer proves it itself.
Then it's not a question of even negotiating whether it's going to be compulsory or what.
It has to be eliminated immediately.
It has to be cancelled.
Agreed.
Alright, well, we will speak again soon, and I appreciate you, your voice of courage and truth, and just want to remind people that...
This is brighttown.com, and yeah, I'm one of the most censored people in the world, by the way.
You can't find me anywhere on the mainstream tech platforms, so we only reach a tiny fraction of the population that we should be reaching.
But for those who are able to connect with us, you're going to have a much better chance of surviving this global depopulation effort that is well underway.
So, Professor Chostudovsky, it's been a pleasure, sir.
Thank you for joining us today.
It's a pleasure.
Bye for now.
Okay, goodbye.
And thank all of you for watching.
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