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May 26, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Interview with Bart Sibrel on US government's LAME, faked Apollo mission theater

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	And so they did a bunch of preposterous things just to, I guess, milk money from the public.
	And that's obviously what they're still doing today.
	I mean, the Star Wars Missile Defense Program admitted, according to the General Accounting Office or the GAO, that they rigged tests to make it look more advanced than it really was.
	And that's the same thing that they did with Apollo.
	I mean, it's very simple.
	If they could go to the moon, On the first attempt, with one millionth the computing power of a cell phone, they would have been on Mars 10 years later.
	They'd be in another solar system by now, and there'd be bases all over the moon.
	I mean, there are bases at the South Pole, even though it's 100 mile per hour winds and 100 degrees below zero.
	So if you could go to the moon, there would be bases there.
	So the fact that there aren't bases there means it simply can't be done.
	Welcome to the Health Ranger Report here on Brighton.tv.
	I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger and the founder of Brighteon.
	Now, we built the Brighteon platform so that we can have conversations that represent a variety of analyses and different points of view of information, and especially things that are censored on other platforms.
	And today we have a guest joining us who is probably one of the best definitions of a voice that might be censored on other platforms because his information is pretty mind-blowing.
	And a lot of people at first might say, whoa, that couldn't possibly be true.
	You know, honestly, I'm kind of a skeptic as well, but this is why we built this, so that we could talk to people who have new information to share with us.
	His name is Bart Sabrell, and he's the author of a book called Moon Man, and he is explaining with us today that elements of the Apollo missions, he says, were faked.
	So we're going to have that interview when we come back right here on Brighton.tv.
	Stay with us.
	All right, welcome back to Brighteon.tv.
	As I mentioned right before the break, we've got Bart Sabrell.
	His website is sabrell.com.
	We'll put it on screen for you.
	Let's see.
	He created a film called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and he's the author of a book called Moon Man, the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA hit list.
	And he's referring to himself.
	So we've got a lot of questions.
	Bart, welcome to the show.
	It's great to have you on, and we appreciate you taking the time to chat with us.
	Sure, Mike.
	How are you doing?
	Well, I'm doing really well, and I've got to say, I caught your interview with Sean at SGT Report, and it came up on Brighteon.
	And I'm always watching different videos, and I had never seen a video with you in it.
	I wasn't familiar with your work, but it was fascinating.
	And so that's why I invited you here.
	Could you give people kind of an overview of maybe what we're going to talk about today and what you cover in your book, Moon Man?
	Yeah, you know, when the congressional hearings took place about why censorship is a good thing, and the president of YouTube was there, the number one example that they used as the purpose of censorship was people who said that the moon landings were fake.
	That was their epitome of an example.
	And I grew up, like everybody else, believing the moon missions were real.
	I was four years old at the time to sleep in bed, but my dad was in the Air Force.
	He was an officer, and he got a VIP package of 9x12 color prints.
	So I put them up on my bedroom wall.
	They were like my most cherished possessions.
	I considered myself the biggest fan of the moon mission.
	So from the age of 4 to 14, which is about 10 years, I saw those pictures, what would that be, 3,650 times.
	And then I was watching a talk show, and they had as their guest a gentleman by the name of William Kaysing, Who worked during the Apollo program for about six years for Rocketdyne.
	And he had very high security clearance because he would edit confidential memos going from the Pentagon to Von Braun, the flight director and all that.
	They weren't as educated As people thought, they would make grammatical mistakes and he was there to kind of polish up their correspondence with each other.
	He saw one from Von Braun that said, look guys, the likelihood of going to the moon with 1960s technology on the first attempt is one in 10,000 chance.
	He saw, you know, the exact opposite procedures of what would help someone go to the moon take place.
	For example, As soon as a department would learn a particular skill or technique, they would break up the crew and bring in somebody new again.
	And the purpose of that was to help camouflage the fraud.
	Because, you know, like the atomic bomb involved 145,000 people, but only eight knew actually what they were building.
	And one of these arguments they say against the moon landing being...
	Fraudulent is you couldn't keep a secret from 100,000 people.
	Well, you got to just, it's very simple.
	Ask yourself, do you think the CIA is really stupid enough to tell the guy making the glove and the door and the boot handle, you know, we're not going to the moon, but please don't tell anybody.
	That's like saying what a teller at a bank and the CEO of the bank know about the corruption in the company, you know, identical when they're completely different.
	So before, I'm sorry to jump in, but before we get into, you've got a lot of details to share with us.
	And of course, I've got a lot of questions.
	You also have photos and videos that we're going to play here during this interview, which I appreciate.
	But before we get too much into the weeds, I just want to establish, so kind of the big picture message you have, what you're alleging is that all of the Apollo moon landing missions you say were faked.
	Correct.
	And, you know, I'm sorry to break the news to people, but it's not even a theory.
	It's a fact.
	I mean, we uncovered classified footage of fake photography being done over and over and over again on a classified reel of footage that at the beginning of it says on the screen, do not show to the public.
	And we even have a third track of audio from the CIA prompting the astronauts to create a fake radio delay as if they're farther away from the Earth than they really are.
	I've heard that audio, the official NASA audio, and there was a few times where some of the astronauts slipped up and replied too quickly.
	I thought you were correct.
	Right, where they weren't that far away.
	No, they never left Earth orbit.
	And we know this because the part of the mission that they're falsifying is being halfway to the moon, basically creating a one-foot model of the Earth using a circular window of the spacecraft.
	All of which they talk about openly because they thought these conversations about the deception would be edited out.
	So let me, again, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I really want to set the stage because, you know, you've talked about this for thousands of hours with thousands of, you know, I mean, many different people, but our audience probably, maybe this is the first time they've heard some of this information, so I just want to set the context.
	So...
	What you're saying is that, yes, they did achieve Earth orbit, and that some of what happened was filmed in orbit?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Or that they even faked the orbit?
	They just did it all?
	They filmed it all in a desert?
	Give us the big picture of what you think, you know, what was actually going on.
	Well, Kennedy misspoke.
	He's not a scientist.
	He's a politician and a visionary.
	So when NASA sent up an astronaut, not even orbiting the Earth once, just going from the East Coast to the West Coast for 15 minutes, Kennedy blurts out, hey, let's set a goal to go to the moon by the end of the decade.
	That shortly thereafter proved to be a scientific impossibility, as it remains to this day.
	So they come up with a plan to fake it, kind of like a bluff in poker, And, you know, what I would do is I would make everything real up to the point where you'd have to fake it.
	Let's just say they had the technology to orbit the moon, but they couldn't land.
	Then I would shoot real footage of them orbiting the moon and fake the landing part.
	But what we have them faking is simply being halfway to the moon.
	That proves they cannot leave Earth orbit.
	And what a surprise.
	50 years later, they still cannot leave Earth orbit.
	We even have a clip, you know, the book Moon Man is interactive with 15 clips to back up everything I'm saying.
	We have a NASA employee himself admitting in 2016 that this radiation field that most people don't even know exists, starts at a thousand miles up, extends about 30,000 miles.
	He says, number one, it's lethal, and number two, the technology to protect an astronaut going through it to the moon, It has yet to be invented.
	And see, NASA just announced, and we can all joke about what NASA means in terms of the acronym.
	I mean, you have never a straight answer, need another seven astronauts, you know, whatever.
	It's always...
	But they just announced that they want to put a black woman on the moon in 2025.
	So there's this wokeism aspect now that's like suddenly the person on the moon has to be black, has to be a woman, which I know you're not into the culture wars.
	That's not your focus.
	But for our audience, it's like, I thought the left said women don't exist and anybody can be a woman.
	So why does it have to be a woman on the moon?
	But that's beside the point.
	Like, NASA's saying they're going to put a black woman on the moon in 2025.
	So in order to do that...
	Are you saying they would have to fake it again?
	Since they allegedly walked on the moon in 1969, they have said 10 times that they're going to return to the moon in five years, and they're never able to do it.
	I mean, you can prove just through deductive reasoning, Mike, that they didn't go to the moon, because today...
	With 21st century technology, the farthest that NASA can send an astronaut from the Earth is 250 miles, which is where the space station orbits.
	Because of the radiation zone after that?
	Correct.
	Which is about 1,000th Right.
	Right.
	Completely illogical.
	Right.
	They're saying they had 1000 times better technology in 1969 than they do today.
	But that's their claim.
	And if it weren't for people's religious attachment to the sacred cow, if we put a man on the moon, people would see the truth for what it is that they can't go today.
	So how could they possibly go in 1969?
	Allow me to provide some context.
	I think people all over the world are waking up today to the fact that not only have they been lied to by their governments about COVID, about vaccine safety, about the origins of the virus, the so-called virus nanoparticles, People realize we're being lied to about what's going on in Ukraine and Russia.
	Just propaganda videos and photos.
	Half of them turn out to be completely faked.
	People are starting to go back in their memories of events.
	Like, oh, what happened at that school shooting?
	What happened in 9-11?
	What happened at Oklahoma City?
	And they're realizing that, oh, my gosh, like the FBI ran the 1993 Twin Tower bombing that failed.
	But that was all an FBI operation, you know, and then they're going back even farther now and say, well, what in history doesn't stand up to scrutiny that we have today?
	Because, you know, back in the 1960s and early 70s and so on, people didn't have the ability to forensically analyze photos and videos like they do now.
	So now we can go back and see it.
	And just one more example.
	I'm sorry to take up time here.
	But do you remember that CNN video of Charles Jaco?
	I think it was from 1991 where they had a fake CNN set.
	They acted like they were broadcasting from Iraq or Saudi Arabia or something.
	Well, yeah.
	And here's the interesting thing.
	I'm planning on producing my first feature film, this moon thing I want to put behind me.
	I'm going to tell the world about it.
	Look out.
	Our government is corrupt.
	And my leading actor was going to be Ed Asner until he died after the injection.
	In case I was studying his abilities and watching the Mary Tyler Moore show.
	And there was one episode where there was a snowstorm.
	You know, they supposedly have a small news station, right?
	So one of the guys suggests, well, why don't we just use this snowstorm from last year?
	And Ed Asner, who's the news director, says, you can't do that.
	We'll lose our FCC license.
	I'm thinking unbelievable.
	They wouldn't even show a weather event from a year earlier because they consider that too fraudulent.
	And now we have, you know, hospitals in Bosnia that are called New York City.
	They have green screens in Atlanta that they say are in Iraq.
	And, you know, the moon landing is actually the easiest thing to fake.
	There's no independent press coverage whatsoever.
	I mean, you could at least have cameras of both sides or three sides going on in your crane now, but who Who's on the moon or where's the spacecraft going?
	You just have to trust Richard Nixon and government employees.
	So it's actually a very easy thing to fake.
	And part of the book is really why and how, unfortunately, yes, the moon landings were fake.
	Another third is my strange espionage adventures, including finding secret recordings of an Apollo astronaut talking about my assassination by the CIA, which, of course, wouldn't be necessary if I were silly and they really went to the moon, right?
	And the other third is kind of a rallying cry.
	Look, these people, they killed Kennedy.
	I mean, Robert Kennedy Jr., And he has access to more information than you and I do.
	He says the CIA killed his uncle.
	And then we know John McNamara said the Gulf of Tonkin, which led to the death of a million people, they just made that up.
	They did.
	We have 3,000 engineers and architects risking their reputations saying it's mechanically impossible for an airplane going through a steel frame building to cause any structural damage.
	It'd be like a pencil through a screen door.
	And then you have Building 7.
	Don't forget about Building 7.
	It wasn't even hit by airplanes.
	The people don't even know that happened.
	I mean, it just boggles the mind.
	Right.
	And then you go back and you think, well, what about the moon landing?
	And the interesting thing about that is even though that's the government fraud that probably killed the fewest number of people, it would be the one that I think, if the truth came out, would bring about the most change because it affected people so emotionally.
	They waved their flag, they cried, they prayed for people, and they gave them parades, they gave them medals of honor for lying.
	And, you know, people, the number one reason I hear, Mike, why they won't accept that the moon landings are fake is our government isn't so corrupt to lie about such an important thing.
	But now people know the government's totally corrupt.
	Yeah.
	And I think what they're really saying is they don't want to live in a country and live in a world that that's corrupt, therefore they won't think about it.
	Because when I popped in that tape and I saw them faking the shot right in front of my eyes with the CIA telling them how to do it, My heart was broken.
	I'm like, is this the world I live in?
	Yeah, I've had that red pill moment.
	And depraved that we would lie about such a thing.
	And it was really an unnecessary lie.
	They could have just told the truth that we bit off more than we could chew.
	But they didn't do it.
	Let's talk about that.
	Talk us through some photos.
	We'll put them on screen.
	Give us what you think is the most compelling photo evidence or video evidence that people can immediately see.
	Yeah, well, I sent you a folder.
	There's one called Parallel Shadows.
	You'll see this is a picture that I took in sunlight.
	You'll see the shadow of two telephone poles, and you'll see that they're parallel with one another.
	They have to be, because the sun's far away.
	Three million miles away.
	It's a thousand times bigger in diameter than the Earth.
	So the shadows are going to run in the same direction on the whole continent.
	So they're going to run in the same direction on the entire moon.
	That's what sunlight does.
	Now, with no atmosphere, the moon is 20 times brighter than a desert on Earth at noon.
	So the last thing they're going to need is electrical lighting to supplement the sunlight.
	So here's a picture that we put side by side with the parallel shadows taken from Apollo 17, the alleged last mission to the moon.
	And you'll see the astronaut shadow going at 12 o'clock and a shadow from a rock about five feet away going at nine o'clock.
	I mean, this is just absolutely impossible to take place in sunlight.
	That is all the proof you need, Mike.
	And it also means, according to geometry, that the light is quite close to those two objects.
	Because if it's a single light, you have a person, the astronaut, let's say, on one side of it, the rock is on the other side of it, and that's what causes the diverging shadows.
	And it's really weird.
	I show a clip of this.
	It's one of the links of my book.
	When my film came out, it was so controversial and so upsetting, you know, to the government tale that the National Geographic, which of course gets its funding from the government, does a special just to prove my film wrong.
	And what they...
	It's so amazing.
	I don't know if you saw this clip.
	They go out to a desert at night.
	They have a guy dress up in an astronaut costume.
	They put a spotlight on And they say, look, the shadows intersect.
	Therefore, BART must be wrong.
	And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
	Wait, they just recreated the set.
	Exactly.
	So what they did is they used an electrical light to simulate the sun.
	The shadows intersected by 90 degrees in their example.
	And they said, it proves me wrong when it's the very thing that proves me right.
	It's crazy.
	They implicated the Apollo pictures with electrical light, which means they were also taken with electrical light.
	It's wild.
	It's because I think National Geographic did a cover a few years ago, and they always try to tie this phrase of the moon landings into like an anti-science belief system.
	I think they had a cover that said...
	Oh, the moon landings, they said, were faked, and GMOs are safe, and vaccines are...
	No, what did they say?
	Oh, GMOs are dangerous, and vaccines are dangerous, and then the subhead was something like, oh, the anti-science lunatics, you know, something like that.
	They tried to tie it in, but...
	You know, we've learned vaccines are killing people in the name of science.
	And I don't know.
	I mean, that's my area of focus is health and medicine.
	So, you know, I've interviewed dozens of guests on that.
	But, you know, GMOs contain poison and genetic pollution and so on.
	So why shouldn't we question everything that's proclaimed in the name of science?
	Yeah, well, the cover actually said the war on science.
	Ah, you're right.
	Okay.
	It's really the war on lies.
	Now, if they really went to the moon, Mike, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
	So why are they spending tens of thousands of hours and hundreds of films to defend the so obvious moon landings?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	All right, so keep showing us stuff.
	More photos and videos.
	I would queue up, you know, and side by side, there's a clip from one of my clips in the book that shows them faking being halfway to the moon.
	You put on the left-hand side of the screen the little blue ball earth that they claim as the earth floating in space halfway to the moon.
	And then on the right, because we have the unedited footage, they even hit stop on the video recorder, but it was one of those manual ones from back in the 60s.
	The button popped up and it kept recording anyway.
	And then you see that it's actually the window being made up to look like the Earth floating in space.
	And so even my greatest critics, Mike, when I show them that footage, they say, OK, they're faking being halfway to the moon.
	They admit it.
	They admit that this is the Apollo 11 crew faking being halfway to the moon.
	But they say, well, they're just rehearsing.
	I'm like, well, then why not rehearse with the real Earth out the window?
	I mean, why go through this elaborate construction of a one-foot model of the Earth if the real one is out the window?
	Yeah.
	So what you're saying, they had a model of the Earth outside the window or pasted on the window or what?
	Basically, you have to watch the film, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.
	And then there's a clip from my book that kind of puts both side by side a little bit differently than the film does.
	But basically, they say there's only one window that faces the Earth, and it's filled up with the TV camera.
	So imagine like a black screen with a little ball Earth in it.
	And this is to demonstrate to the viewer, the American public, that they're far away from the Earth, when in fact they're still in Earth orbit.
	So they say there's only one window that faces the Earth, and it's filled up with the TV camera, meaning you'd have to have that lens right at the glass, right, to shoot the Earth far away.
	You'd have to.
	That's the only way you'd be able to see it.
	But in reality, the camera's all the way at the back of the spacecraft.
	They turned out the lights.
	They blocked out the windows, all of which they openly talk about because they thought the conversations would be edited out.
	They even admit that it's not live.
	It's for playback later after it's been edited.
	And then several feet in front of the camera, with the spacecraft dark, is a circular window, outside of which it's filled with part of the Earth in Earth orbit.
	So it looks like, with the blackness of space being around the window, that this is the Earth floating in space.
	It's a very clever illusion.
	They even put in a little crescent piece of material in the window to make it look like the Terminator line between night and day.
	But when you...
	Have the unedited version and you look at them side by side, it's like, oh, well, they're faking being halfway to the moon, which means they can't go halfway, which means they didn't go.
	And because all the missions had identical equipment, that means they never went to the moon because the one with the 90-degree shadows, that's from Apollo 17.
	So they never went.
	I mean, just going to the South Pole here on Earth, that probably killed the first three, four, five crews to do that.
	More compelling things that I saw in some of the photos, I think, from your previous interviews was that the moon landing rover, and apparently they use the same rover mission after mission after mission, but it kept getting repaired.
	And there was new hardware showing up on it and things like that.
	Can you talk to us about this rover?
	Even the tire tread changed.
	Really good cash cow because in today's dollars, it cost about $100 million and it had fewer parts than a Jeep.
	If I were really on the moon and that lunar module was my life support back to Earth, I don't think I'd drive very far away from it because...
	Because if that car broke down, I would run out of oxygen walking back to it.
	So the idea that they would drive around the moon far away from their only way off the surface, no one would really do that if they were really there.
	And so they did a bunch of preposterous things just to, I guess, milk money from the public.
	And that's obviously what they're still doing today.
	I mean, the Star Wars Missile Defense Program admitted, according to the General Accounting Office or the GAO, that they rigged tests to make it look more advanced than it really was.
	And that's the same thing that they did with Apollo.
	I mean, it's very simple.
	If they could go to the moon on the first attempt with one millionth to computing power of a cell phone.
	They would have been on Mars 10 years later.
	They'd be in another solar system by now, and there'd be bases all over the moon.
	I mean, there are bases at the South Pole, even though it's 100 mile per hour winds and 100 degrees below zero.
	So if you could go to the moon, there would be bases there.
	So the fact that there aren't bases there means it simply can't be done.
	So I want to ask you, we're going to wrap up this segment here on BrightTown.tv, but when we come back, I want to ask you about NASA's claim to have a helicopter on Mars, because that's never made any sense to me, given that Mars has virtually no atmosphere according to NASA itself.
	But I'm going to ask you that question when we come back.
	This is brighteon.tv.
	Fascinating interview so far.
	A lot more to come in the extended interview that you'll see on my channel on brighteon.com.
	And we're interviewing Bart Sabrell.
	The website is sabrell.com, S-I-B-R-E-L. We'll put it on screen for you.
	And the book is Moon Man.
	And check that out and a lot more conversation coming up.
	Stay with us.
	I'm Mike Adams here at brighteon.com.
	All right.
	We are now in the extended interview.
	So, Bart, I'm sorry that I'm jumping around.
	And I do want to ask you to show more photos and videos.
	But, you know, several years ago, NASA announced that they were launching something, you know, a ship to Mars, and they're going to put a helicopter on it.
	This helicopter drone thing.
	And since then, they say they've landed it and the helicopter has been flying around.
	I think they've named it Scout.
	But then NASA also says Mars has atmospheric density that is 0.6% of Earth's atmosphere at sea level.
	Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you can't generate lift from a helicopter rotor in 0.6% atmosphere.
	So do they think we're stupid?
	No.
	Yes, they think we're stupid.
	I mean, I was hoping it would be the Federal Reserve helicopter and it would be dropping money.
	I mean, that'd be kind of nice, but I guess they really are doing that because it's costing a lot of money.
	The fact is they fake going to the moon, so they can't be trusted.
	The probes to Mars from the 70s and some from today, there's a lot of suspicious things going on about them.
	I guess when the government wants to spend money on things that Congress doesn't approve, like during the Vietnam War, they would let them spend money on Vietnam, but not Cambodia or Lea.
	So they create moon projects and they divert that money.
	I guess that's what they're doing today.
	What this means, though, I mean, the big picture, did Congress and the Senate vote to fake the moon landing?
	No, I don't think they were asked.
	So I thought those were the people running the country.
	So what this means is the people who run the country are not our elected officials.
	And that is very alarming because nobody voted to fake the moon landing.
	Nobody, you know, voted on these things.
	And then if you read the book, second to the last chapter...
	We acknowledge information that I've never shared before about the crew that would have been the first crew to walk on the moon, the Apollo 1 crew, that they were murdered by the CIA. Now, this is not my opinion.
	It's the opinion of the dead man's widow and the dead man's son, who's a 747 pilot.
	So I think he knows what he's talking about.
	He told his own wife the day before he burned alive in an alleged accident that That the CIA was all over the launch pad, never before been there.
	And suddenly they appear, and then suddenly he's dead the next day because he was highly critical of the moon program.
	He said there were 10 years at least away from going to the moon, not two.
	He was preparing reports.
	He gave some to Donald Barron, who was a congressional whistleblower, and he was giving some to his senator.
	In fact, the CIA came to his house, took all of his papers about this, Before they even informed his widow that he was dead.
	So, I mean, this is another reason why the government doesn't want the moon landing fraud to come out, because once it does, they're going to ask, well, what about the Apollo 1 fire that his own widow and son, say, was committed by the CIA? It really means, Mike, and you know this, but I want to instill the urgency of this.
	Their homicide took money and material to make happen, right?
	The CIA had to buy the, you know, the wiring to rig the fire in the spacecraft.
	So that came from hardworking Americans.
	Americans work hard.
	They have a third of their money going to the federal government, who is then in turn using it to deceive them and to murder their own brethren who tried to expose their crimes.
	That's what they're doing with our money.
	Well, and I feel like we're we are actually from a bigger perspective.
	We're approaching the end of this empire because everything is fake.
	The money's fake.
	You know, it's counterfeit fiat currency.
	They keep printing it by the trillions.
	And that's why prices are going up everywhere because the money's fake.
	The the corporate news is fake.
	You know, in thousands of examples, they faked everything about Russiagate with Trump and the elections are rigged.
	The medicine is rigged.
	The pandemic was a plandemic.
	Everything is faked.
	And so it seems like the government is now desperately trying to protect every false narrative they've ever pulled off.
	But the problem is, the older the evidence, like with Apollo, the easier it is for modern-day people to look at it and say, whoa, that doesn't actually add up.
	So could you continue with some more photos or videos that you feel are compelling for people to see?
	Yeah, I mean, to me, the one of the shadows intersecting at 90 degrees is all the photographic proof you need.
	Plus, we have the video footage of them faking being halfway to the moon right in front of your eyes with the CIA telling them not to speak until four seconds go by to create a fake radio delay.
	And then we have simple logic that they can't have greater technology 50 years ago than they do today.
	and Elon Musk.
	You know, it took him six attempts to land a rocket vertically in the controlled environment of the earth using five supercomputers.
	That's true.
	So how could they land a rocket vertically 50 years earlier with one millionth of computing power?
	I mean, on the first attempt and six times in a row.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	And then the book culminates with a deathbed confession.
	I have a source who was there at the military base where Apollo 11 was filmed June 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 1968.
	He stood beside President Johnson while they filmed the thing.
	He gave us the code name for the project, the dates and location of where it was filmed, and 15 eyewitnesses who were allowed in to observe the thing, some of whom are still alive today.
	So not only do we have photographic evidence, We have logic evidence, and we have an eyewitness who was there at the time.
	It's not a theory they didn't go to the moon.
	We did fake it, and this is who's running our government.
	Do you have the photo of the golf balls on the moon?
	You know what I'm talking about, the golf balls?
	Well, they allegedly were playing golf on the moon.
	You know, they say they can get the lunar module down, you know, 72 degrees, supposed to be the perfect temperature.
	They should have lied and said it was 110 and we were sweating in there.
	Add a little realism to it, guys.
	But they're so arrogant.
	You know, I always say when they planned Apollo 18, which was canceled, I think they were going to bring a basketball team on there, you know.
	But in any case, they just, you know, once people believed it, it was actually easier to fool people, you know, once they had convinced people that they were there, because the last mission, Apollo 17, it has a lot of photographic anomalies in it.
	I mean, a lot of times the shadows intersect, giving away that it's electrical light backgrounds that match when they're supposed to be at two different locations, and all sorts of things that don't make sense to people.
	Well, show us, give us some more, talk us through some more photos or videos that you feel are compelling.
	Well, I mean, to me, the footage of them faking being halfway to the moon, that's what convinced me.
	I was financed by a board member of an aerospace company building rockets for NASA. Okay?
	So he knows from an engineering point of view that they did not go to the moon in the 60s because he's working with NASA now and they cannot go to the moon today.
	So he says this, you know, lie that the government has done to the people, to history, to the aerospace industry is a travesty and it needs to be brought to justice.
	So he gave us a million dollars to produce these films because he thought it was his patriotic duty.
	I was producing the film under the theory it might be true.
	I wasn't sure at first.
	I had an open mind.
	I discovered that the Soviets had launched the first satellite, the first animal.
	The first man, the first woman, the first crew of three, the first spacewalk, the first of two spacecrafts at the same time.
	For every 100 hours we spent in space, they spent 500 hours and yet never once attempted to go to the moon.
	Then I find out two of the three astronauts on the first mission rarely will talk about it, like They're ashamed.
	The administrator of NASA resigns without explanation before the first mission.
	And I say, you know, there's at least a one out of four chance that they fake the thing.
	And I originally turned down the project.
	I thought, you know, if I start overturning these rocks, it could be dangerous.
	So I turned it down.
	And then a client said, hey, why don't you read the Bible?
	They gave me a one-year Bible.
	Divided into 365 daily reads.
	And I read that thing five times from cover to cover.
	And I wasn't a Christian yet, but I said, you know, I believe there is a God.
	Things don't make themselves.
	And there is an eternal struggle, a spiritual battle going on between good and evil.
	And that's generally represented between truth and lies.
	Because the lies are what criminals use to cover up their deeds.
	And I realized, you know, I'm going to die anyway.
	And if they didn't go to the moon, you know, that's more significant than if they had actually gone.
	I mean, imagine they do plant a flag, but if they couldn't go and they murdered people to keep a secret, that's more profound.
	And I think this is an important truth that people need to know about.
	Okay, I have so many questions for you.
	Do you think that modern-day Russia is aware that the U.S. faked all this back then?
	Oh, sure they are.
	You know, and that's another alleged excuse as to why the missions must be real, because Russia would have ratted us out.
	Well, that's not really true if you think just to the next step.
	For example, if I had a picture of a world leader with a prostitute, I could give it away to the media and ruin them and move on, but then the photograph was worth nothing.
	Right.
	I could blackmail them year after year, year after year, and apparently it's taught in China University that the moon landings are fake.
	Yeah, that could explain the motive.
	Again, I have a lot of questions for you.
	What about China?
	Do you believe that China has sent, you know, unmanned probes around the moon?
	Like, that unmanned probes, maybe even the U.S. and Russia has lots of unmanned probes that have extended far beyond the radiation belt.
	Sure, you could x-ray a toaster a thousand times and it'll still make toast for you.
	And the same thing, I think the Chinese probes, if I were to guess, I think they're real.
	And one reason is if you look at the pictures, now keep in mind NASA has been color correcting and trying to cover up a bunch of mistakes.
	For example, if you can find a hard copy of a book about the moon landings from 1970, you'll see that the soil is this caramel colored brown.
	And then the background, you know, mountains is like gray blue.
	They're like, oops, you can see the line going straight across.
	They color corrected it.
	Now the ground is blue and the background is blue.
	But one of the things that they did when you see the Apollo pictures is all these rocks are just kind of like sitting there on top of the surface.
	But you have micrometeorites, sand, pelting the moon continually.
	So in the Chinese pictures, the rocks are buried, kind of sticking out of the sand, which makes me think that those pictures are real.
	Okay.
	So what about, you know, someone skeptical about what you're presenting would say, well, gosh, why aren't there more whistleblowers?
	Because it would be, you know, the biggest story in the history of maybe science or America.
	Well, if only one astronaut claimed to walk on the moon, he probably would have confessed by now, but there's still many people surviving.
	And so one confession is kind of ruin it for everybody.
	And then you're the one who makes the U.S. the laughingstock of...
	You know, but in front of the world, I mean, if the truth comes out, you know, Iran's going to say, I told you the great Satan and deceiver, you know, and you can have Russia people in a factory going, oh, let's not do quota.
	Let's just pretend to do it like the Americans, you know, and we'd be kind of the joke.
	Probably the dollar would crash, the stock market would crash, and we would lose our reputation for a while.
	But the thing is, if we don't do it, it's even worse than that.
	It's like...
	Having mold in your house, you can paint over it and keep painting over it.
	It grows back and you paint over it and eventually everyone in the house is going to die.
	It's like a gangrene limb, okay?
	You could cut it off and it's messy, but if you don't, It's even worse.
	And so that's where we're at with our government.
	We have to expose that the moon landing was fraudulent.
	And if we don't, then our country has no hope of ever being run.
	You know what I wanted to tell you, Mike, during this interview, I wanted to give you a compliment about one thing.
	The most profound thing you ever said.
	And I didn't know what alternative media was until Natural News, which I've been following for like 10 years.
	And you said something about a year ago about the leaders of our country.
	And it was so profound.
	Let me remind you.
	You were talking about John Brennan, former CIA director.
	And you said the people who run our country are gangsters.
	And if that's not hitting the nail on the head, I don't know what is.
	And the guy even looks like a gangster.
	These people who run our country are murderers.
	And let me tell you, I spent 15 years writing this book.
	I spent two years editing the book.
	I was calling up my source.
	Originally, he died.
	That's why it was a deathbed confession.
	He wanted to clear his conscience that he was there faking the moon landing.
	So I was confirming the details before it was published with their surviving relative.
	And after I did this, a couple of days later...
	The relative tells me, even though they have a security system with a password and cameras, some spooks came in and disarmed everything and took every possible documentation linking their relative to this particular military base and branch of the military.
	And then, three days later, you know, this is less than two years ago, they were met by two people at their front door, and they said if they ever spoke to me again, they would kill them and their family.
	I had to call the White House.
	I had to call the press secretary, the FBI, and a United States senator on an intelligence committee to get protection for this person.
	These are the people who run our country.
	They murdered their own astronauts.
	They murdered them.
	And this isn't my opinion.
	It's my dead man's wife's opinion.
	These are the people running our country.
	It's a scary thing.
	That might be hard to believe if people weren't aware That people who speak out against this COVID vaccine are also being murdered.
	So, you know, dead doctors.
	We've documented the murders of a lot of doctors that had cures for cancer and they had naturopathic therapies.
	They have been systematically hunted down and executed, by the way.
	And leaders of countries around the world...
	Yeah, I shot a video that's probably old, but I only showed it a week or so ago, of a guy who, a doctor, you know, put the inoculation serum underneath the microscope, says it's got all this weird stuff in it.
	While he's doing a live YouTube broadcast, the police are kicking in his door, and then he dies mysteriously one or two days later.
	And, you know...
	That seems to happen a lot.
	Well, and actually, you know, I interviewed...
	What's his name?
	Dr.
	David Lewis, a former EPA scientist, ran the labs that focused on soil pollution and biosludge.
	In fact, I did a whole documentary.
	He was the star of it.
	That's called Biosludged.
	And he wrote in his book, and he confirmed this in an interview, that when he was about to go public, that America was contaminating all of its soils and farmland across the country with toxic human waste sludge and viruses and everything else.
	He was visited by goons, pulled him out of his house like early in the morning, threatened to have him killed.
	If he talked, he couldn't believe it because he was a scientist.
	And then sure enough, they cut off all the funding to his lab.
	This is all in the documentary.
	So what you're saying, Bart, extends beyond NASA and astronauts.
	This is happening in medicine.
	It's happening in EPA, environmental science.
	It's happening in vaccines.
	It's happening.
	This is a universal thing.
	Let me tell you things that happened recently.
	There was an 80-year-old woman who had a paperweight that Neil Armstrong or somebody gave her.
	It had the tiniest little speck of moondust in it.
	She's arrested by the FBI so that that thing can't be opened and examined and proven to be fake.
	I found out that somebody else had schematic drawings.
	First of all, they were told to destroy all the blueprints of the Saturn V rocket.
	The guy held on to one, and then his doors kicked down a couple of days later.
	Because he has this.
	Now, we found publications, because we had a millionaire financing us, we bought thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars of original documentation.
	One of which from Von Braun that said the only way mathematically fuel-wise to be able to reach the moon in a single rocket was if it weighed 800,000 tons or 10 times the Queen Mary's.
	But it was a multiple stage rocket.
	So that changes the equation, right?
	No.
	I mean, he said it would have been multiple stages anyway.
	But the point is, the Saturn V... It was, you know, like 30,000% smaller.
	It was 2,500 tons.
	And I think he's off on a little bit on his mat there.
	And then NASA deliberately destroyed all the hardware, all the schematics, all the blueprints, all the telemetry data, all the original videotapes.
	Now, today's dollars, it cost $200 billion to build this equipment.
	This is a key question that I had for you.
	To the furnace, right?
	See, after...
	I'm sorry, but this is a key question.
	After 9-11...
	One of the fastest things they did was get rid of all the rubble so that there could not be forensic investigations of what brought down Building 7, which is obviously demolition.
	And anybody can see that today.
	But that's what I want to ask you, Bart.
	Walk us through the destruction of the evidence, the recordings, the blueprints, telemetry data.
	Why would NASA destroy telemetry data that's supposed to be such a historic moment for mankind, right?
	Walk us through some of that destruction.
	Yeah, I mean, the way I put it is, there was a bomber built 70 years ago called the B-52, and there's 200 of them still in service because nothing works better.
	They used them in the last Iraq war, you know?
	So if they spent $200 billion to design and build a rocket that could go to the moon on the first attempt, you wouldn't destroy that.
	You would cherish it.
	But they did the exact opposite.
	They destroyed the hardware, the blueprints, the electronic diagrams, and the telemetry data of where the rocket actually was during the space mission.
	Because that could be analyzed and put into a simulation software.
	So believe it or not, the fact that they destroyed all of this is actually proof of the fraud.
	Because if you really went to the moon and really spent $200 billion to do it, you would never destroy it.
	But if you perpetrated a fraud, you would destroy it.
	So the fact that they destroyed everything is proof that they committed a fraud about it.
	Yeah, well, mic drop moment right there.
	That rendered me speechless here for a minute.
	You're exactly right.
	But since we're doing a visual interview here, do you have, I'm sorry to keep asking you this, but do you have more photos that might be interesting for people to see?
	You might do, if we can edit this out, but go to sabrell.com and in the top left are the 15 book links.
	And what I basically do in the book Moon Man is I say, look, here's an introductory chapter.
	Stop.
	Go watch a funny thing happen on the way to the moon if you haven't seen it so you know what I'm talking about.
	Then, you know, here's NASA saying the radiation belts are deadly and the technology to go through them has yet to be invented.
	It's not me.
	It's them saying it, you know.
	And then here's a clip about this and here's a clip about this.
	You hear and see that they deliberately destroyed all this technology.
	And, you know, it should be so much far advanced than we are today.
	I mean, when Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic, it was like 10 years later, they had thousands of aircraft flying across the Atlantic, and the aircraft was probably 100 times more complicated.
	So if they could go to the moon on the first attempt before microwave ovens and cell phones, think how advanced we really should be now, and yet we were actually more advanced 50 years ago, which is impossible.
	I mean, if I told you, Mike, You know, I did cold fusion 50 years ago.
	It was great.
	And you said, show it to me now.
	I said, I can't do it.
	You know, you would obviously know I was lying.
	So why people don't see the same thing?
	It's just emotional attachment.
	I talked to a professor Of an aerospace university.
	And I said, well, what if you saw Neil Armstrong confess on national TV that the moon landings were fake?
	He said, I still think we went.
	That's how ingrained it is in people.
	They refuse to back down.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Strategically, Earth is at the bottom of a gravity well, because that's how gravity works, and the moon is the high ground over Earth.
	So it would make a strategic military sense to have military outposts and bases and perhaps launchers on the moon, because you would be above all of Earth, and you would have a stored energy kinetic advantage from being on the moon.
	So it makes sense.
	If America went to the moon in the 1960s, like you said, it seems like today they would have mega bases and structures and telescopes and habitats.
	And you'd be able to see it with a backyard telescope.
	Look, there are the habitats.
	It might be an expensive telescope.
	That's deductive reasoning, too.
	I mean, right now.
	There's a base called the Edmondson-Scott Base.
	It's at the South Pole.
	Now, the South Pole has 100-mile-per-hour winds.
	It has temperatures 100 degrees below zero, and yet there are bases there.
	Why?
	Because it's humanly possible.
	That's just the way science works.
	If it were humanly possible to have bases on the moon, they would be there.
	So the fact that there aren't bases there means it's not humanly possible.
	So if it's not humanly possible today, I mean, the 747, when they rolled that thing out, and that was 10 years more advanced than the Apollo equipment, they couldn't get the fuselage off the ground.
	They had to go through 168 engine designs before they could get that thing off the ground.
	And that's after millions of aircraft had been built before.
	And yet somehow doing a mission 10,000 times more complicated that had never been done before, 10 years with older technology that they can do.
	You know, I completely agree that the process of research and development and prototypes and trying things out is incredibly complex.
	And it's like you said, even aircraft development, even the Tesla rocket development, even electric cars.
	Electric cars, at first, they burn up and catch on fire.
	Things go wrong.
	You didn't anticipate this or that.
	You go through all this research and evolution of new solutions to problems, just making cars, to think that you could build a system that would work the first time, And that had so little fuel that supposedly the astronauts had to be so precise with the thrusters and everything to land it on the moon without crashing that even a supercomputer today might not be able to accomplish that.
	You know, to think that they could do it on the first try.
	Well, what's interesting is the double impossibility.
	First of all, you look at history.
	Has there ever been an aircraft that took off the ground on the first attempt?
	No.
	Never happened in the history of aviation.
	So any aircraft, even a biplane.
	There's never been a single aircraft built that was new that took off the ground on the first attempt.
	It's never happened in the history of aviation.
	And then you have the most complicated mission of all time going to the moon, and that worked on the first attempt.
	Yeah.
	How about that?
	Well, okay.
	So let me ask you a tough question.
	Someone watching this might say, okay, Bart, how do we know that you're not CIA injecting doubt into the information ecosystem in order to try to discredit the United States?
	I'm sure you've heard such talkback or accusations and so on.
	What do you say to people?
	Or how do we know that you haven't photo-edited the photos and things like that?
	What's your answer to those kinds of skeptical questions?
	I actually don't hear that very often.
	I mean, it's pretty simple.
	There are some intellectuals who see quite clearly that these photographs are taken in a television studio.
	I mean, the shadows intersecting and various things.
	But somehow they still want to believe we went to the moon anyway, like there were secret crews or they, you know, ruined the footage and they faked it so they'd have someone.
	No, it's not that complicated.
	They faked going to the moon because they couldn't go.
	If I were a CIA employee, I'd be a You know, and I don't know why they would expose themselves.
	I mean, that doesn't really make much sense.
	I mean, think about the history of this.
	Since you've been alive and watching the news, has there ever been a time on the evening news where someone who was at large for a robbery they got away with, or rape they got away with, or murder they got away with, who got a conscience and decided to turn themselves in at the police station?
	Yeah.
	to live forever.
	You basically have to confess your sin.
	And I've talked to these astronauts saying, claim that they believe in God.
	And I'm like, look, repentance is required to qualify for eternal life.
	And if you don't admit that you faked walking on the moon before you die, you have gained the world and lost your soul.
	God does not want gangsters living forever throughout the universe.
	So he's not going to allow that to happen.
	So all that we have to do is confess our sin, do our best to not sin again, and then God's grace will cover the rest.
	And I feel sorry for these people.
	I'm not out there screaming at them, yelling at them at the Bilderberg Group, calling them criminals.
	I feel sorry for them.
	I feel sorry for Bill Gates and George Soros and all those people that they're that lost.
	They're lost souls.
	Yeah, well, maybe they haven't gone to the moon, but they are going to hell.
	That trip doesn't require special technology.
	Yeah, well, basically, let me throw in a little side note here about that.
	The Bible says that people who make the Messiah the Lord of their life, they live forever.
	So this idea that people are alive...
	And hell forever actually contradicts the Bible.
	Eternal life is only given to the saved.
	Otherwise, people in hell would have eternal life that just wouldn't be pleasant.
	No.
	After judgment, you're either dead forever or alive forever.
	That's what it means to be thrown into the fire.
	You're burned up.
	If I took a chicken, I threw it in a fire.
	It's not going for all eternity.
	Oh, if I'd only ran away a little bit faster.
	No.
	It's just dead forever.
	And that's what happens.
	You know, everyone goes to sleep.
	According to the Bible, after they die, we all wake up on Judgment Day, and then other people just go back to being dead forever, and other people live forever.
	And that's the thing.
	If we don't get eternal life, then we're failures.
	No matter what we achieve, it doesn't matter.
	And so I struggle every day to do what's right, to overcome my character flaws.
	And I feel sorry for the people, because...
	You know, I think my biblical interpretation is when Jesus says, number one, there'll be greater tribulation in the last days than throughout the whole history of the world.
	And unless God intervenes at the very end, which he will do, no one will be saved.
	So I take that, Mike, to mean that these evil people running the world, they are going to win.
	They are going to succeed.
	We have to admit they're doing a fabulous job.
	Hmm.
	I mean, they killed Kennedy in front of 200 eyewitnesses.
	They popped the windshield out, had that in a furnace in a couple of minutes.
	You know, they faked the start of the Vietnam War.
	They did 9-11, and there's 3,000 engineers saying, you know, it doesn't make sense.
	And what?
	Who cares?
	Well, now they're engineering us into almost a world war with Russia.
	They're doing this current thing.
	People are lining up to get medicine for an illness they don't have.
	They're lining up to be...
	It's a depopulation shot.
	Right.
	They're lining up to be told whether they're sick or not.
	It's extraordinary.
	I mean, this is truly...
	It's a satanic global cabal.
	No question about it.
	I mean, we had a border of the United States blocked.
	For three weeks by protesters, it's not mentioned a single time in the evening news like it's not happening, because they don't want protests against tyranny to become contagious.
	Well, now that Biden got a cat, that they mention.
	They don't mention that the border of their own country is being blocked for three weeks by protesters.
	I don't mention that in the evening news.
	And now they're saying they have to have more censorship because Russia is pushing propaganda and lies.
	So therefore, more censorship is needed.
	Are you okay for a few more minutes, time-wise?
	Okay.
	Another big question.
	Different chapter here.
	So, the flat Earth question, right?
	So there's a lot of videos out there of, I guess, there's a whole group of people claiming the Earth, in their view, is flat.
	And I believe that their understanding, their assertion is that, therefore, there are no satellites, therefore, you know, nothing's ever gone around the moon, not probes and things like that.
	So what's your take on that thought, you know, that school of thought, I've never met someone personally who believes that the Earth is flat.
	So for all we know, these are just online entities.
	I remember when Bill Kaysing did the Oprah Winfrey show and said, wake up, people.
	The moon landings were fake.
	I was there.
	They immediately said, oh, you think the Earth is flat?
	As soon as a funny thing happened on the way to the moon came out, they said, oh, you must believe the Earth is flat.
	The earth could be triangular, and the government is still corrupt as can be.
	It's an irrelevant issue.
	And to say that it's biblically supported, that the earth is flat, that's not true either.
	I've read the Bible many times from cover to cover.
	It's just an analogy.
	When Song of Psalms, you know, Solomon says, your lips are pomegranates, your eyes are diamonds.
	Does that mean your eyes are diamonds?
	No.
	They were describing the moving of the...
	Stars in the sun as they saw it.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's a psyop.
	It's a distraction.
	I think the Earth is a sphere.
	That's just the normal structure of heavenly bodies with the pressure of gravity.
	Right.
	In 3D space, things like to become spheres.
	I think the other thing we should talk about is what we talked about in our phone conversation, which is, you know, why is this pandemic happening?
	Now, just as Eisenhower had his kind of...
	Last day in office warning.
	I think it was January 19th, 1961.
	He said, beware of the deep state.
	Basically, he said we shouldn't even have a Pentagon.
	A Pentagon is a war department.
	If there's no war, there shouldn't be a war department because they're going to want to be fed continually.
	He was so afraid, he didn't even say it in his office.
	He was president eight years, and he was afraid to say it until his last day.
	Well, Janet Napolitano was Homeland Security Director, and she had something very interesting to say the day she resigned.
	She said, I'm quoting her almost word for word, a natural disaster is likely on its way, the likes of which the United States has never before seen.
	So there's three important clues here.
	It's a natural disaster.
	It's one that's never happened in the 245 years of America.
	And it's a natural disaster you could know about years in advance.
	There's only one that fits that scenario, and that's something coming from outer space, a comet, asteroid, a rogue planet.
	So it's my belief that That the people who run the world, they know this thing is inbound.
	And they know when it hits, it's going to be very disruptive.
	It potentially could kill half the people on the earth in 90 days.
	So it's my opinion what they're doing is kind of a controlled burn.
	Rather than shock society, because they like to eat in restaurants, they like to travel.
	They want butlers and they want, you know, doctors in malls.
	They want to gradually kill people off that in their minds are going to die anyway.
	And what a coincidence that phase one, congratulations, you get the shot first, is Hitler's useless eaters list.
	You know, the elderly, the diabetic, the handicap or whatever, then they're targeting pregnant women and babies because they're the most dependent.
	So they're basically thinning out the group of people.
	And as you know, these injections are probably going to give people AIDS. And then they're going to start dying of cancer.
	That would be below the threshold of being toxic.
	Spider bites, food poisoning, the cold, the flu would cut, whatever.
	And when the VP of Pfizer, who's pro-vaccine, says, look, everything they're saying about the pandemic is a lie.
	And then what's the purpose?
	I have the same conclusion.
	It's to coerce people, fear them into getting the shots.
	And then what's the purpose of that?
	He says to lower the population by millions of people.
	The guy said something very profound, Mike.
	You're referring to Yeadon.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	One of the most profound things he said was, you know, once you cross in your mind into mass murder, like someone said, 3000 people dying on 9-11 is perfectly fine because we're going to get this out of it.
	He says, well, if you've already crossed that line as a mass murderer, which the people around the world have already done, what is it to add another zero or another zero or So I believe we have, you know, a cosmic event coming in.
	It's supported not only by Janet Napolitano's last statement, it's supported biblically.
	Jesus said there will be signs in the heavens.
	The stars will fall like ripe figs.
	I think that's a meteor shower.
	He says the earth will be shaken.
	He says that the seas will toss and turn.
	That's probably a tidal effect potentially from a rogue planet.
	So they're not telling us the truth.
	They're not going to tell us the truth about anything.
	They don't want to go down in history as the genocidal Hitler.
	They're going to let Mother Nature kill us off.
	So this is huge, Bart.
	It's almost like we should do a separate interview about this topic because...
	If I could just summarize what you're saying, you're saying that you believe that this current regime in power is aware of an approaching object that is either going to impact Earth or is going to come close enough to Earth that there could be strong gravitational effects and maybe meteors that are in orbit around that object, like a Planet X meteor shower.
	And that this is going to devastate human civilization on planet Earth and therefore the globalists are currently in a soft kill phase before this thing arrives and the globalists justify it to themselves by saying these people are going to die anyway but they want to get rid of a lot of people.
	So that what?
	What's their reason for why they want less population when the asteroid hits?
	What are you thinking?
	If half the world were to die in 90 days, that would be extremely disruptive, even for them.
	They don't want to live in bunkers for the rest of their lives.
	They want to have a somewhat functioning society.
	So they know this event is coming.
	So these inoculations are a way of gradually lowering the population so that it won't all be one big shock to the public.
	I've been studying this for about two decades now, and it seems like this is definitely going to happen.
	And a rogue planet could could be the issue because, you know, the Illuminati, they like to like hint at and claim that that's like warning people to sleep at night.
	You know, they've been doing these stories about how basically there's a rogue planet for every solar system in the galaxy.
	And one of the most important events in history most people don't even know about is the fact that prior to 705 B.C., the year of the Earth was 360 days.
	Exactly.
	That's why there's 360 days on a compass.
	And imagine being, you know, evolutionists arguing against divine creation when you have 12 prides of Israel and 12 months that are exactly 30 days.
	You can't really argue against divine creation, can you?
	So are you implying that Earth's orbital velocity was altered by a flyby?
	Well, the distance.
	Basically, a rogue planet, I believe, came by the Earth around 705 BC because all the calendars of the Earth prior to 705 BC, which includes the Israeli, the Egyptian, the Mayan, and the Chinese, and the Hebrew calendar, they all had a 360-day year.
	And right after 705 BC, within the next few years, they all changed to a 365 and a quarter day year.
	So it means that the earth was pulled slightly further away from the sun, which increased its distance.
	And that's why it takes an extra five and a quarter days to go around.
	It also destroyed the testimony of divine creation.
	So this rogue rebellious planet is representative of Lucifer.
	Remember, it says in Genesis that the constellations, they are symbolic of things.
	I'm not into astrology at all, but there are biblical symbolism for things.
	But hold on, hold on.
	Question.
	Physics question for you.
	If the earth was pulled farther...
	Away from the Sun in terms of its orbit, but maintain the same orbital velocity, it would mean that the orbital homeostasis would no longer exist and that the Earth would be moving farther and farther away from the Sun with each passing year, would it not?
	We had a 360-day year prior to 705 BC, and now we have 365 and a quarter.
	Now, I bet if you studied it, it probably is gradually increasing distance, but it's to a small degree that it doesn't really matter.
	We know...
	That, according to the historical record of calendars of five different civilizations, that we had a 360-day year, and then suddenly it changed to 365 and a quarter.
	That means that the Earth was pulled further away from the Sun, therefore it took extra time to go around.
	Yeah, and sadly, the Babylonian records of Earth's distance from the Sun were not very accurate, it turns out.
	There are no accurate scientific measurements of all these distances of planetary bodies from 1,500 years ago or whatever.
	Another interesting thing is that the most powerful telescope in the world is owned by the, you could say, the CIA sect of the Church of Rome called the Jesuits.
	It's in Arizona, and it's an infrared telescope and a three-dimensional telescope.
	And if there is a rogue planet, you cannot see it by optical telescopes.
	Wait, what is that?
	What does a three-dimensional telescope mean?
	What does that mean?
	It has two lenses side by side, so you can see images of three dimensions, kind of like a binoculars.
	Oh, a stereoscopic telescope.
	Plus, it's an infrared telescope, so you can see things that are not visible by an optical telescope.
	And here's the great thing about this.
	The name of the telescope, from an alleged Christian religion, is the Lucifer telescope.
	I've heard that.
	Now, one of their own members, a Jesuit, who on his deathbed disavowed the sect for being corrupt, he said that telescope is tracking an object that is going to have a significant part in human history in the last days.
	It's my belief they're tracking planet Earth.
	Lucifer, the rogue rebellious planet, which represents Satan's fall out of heaven and rebellion against God.
	It's the one that destroyed the testimony of divine creation, you see?
	And so I believe it has a comet-like orbit.
	It may come around again.
	And then the Weather Channel comes out with this beautiful documentary, and you can't even find it.
	I have it on my YouTube channel.
	And they said if a rogue planet Only comes between Jupiter and Saturn at some distance of three quarters of a billion miles.
	It will pull Jupiter further away from the Sun, which will pull the Earth further away from the Sun, which could elongate the orbit of the Earth and give us super cold winters, super hot summers, and all sorts of climate change that would be deadly.
	Whoa, whoa.
	So actually changing the elliptical shape of the current orbital path, right?
	Well, that would be highly disturbing.
	Talk about climate change, right?
	The signs, not only would the stars fall like ripe figs, which I believe is a meteor storm.
	A very interesting thing he said is that The seas would toss and turn, and the waves would give people, you know, distress.
	Now, the Moon is about one-quarter the size of the Earth, and it causes a tidal effect to a certain degree, depending on where you are.
	So if Planet X is like 30 times bigger than the Moon, that would cause the tossing and turning of the seas, wouldn't it, you see?
	Well, and also perhaps unleashing tectonic plates that are about to go.
	You're talking volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal effects.
	And then some people talk about, you know, an earth shift or pole shift scenario.
	Do you believe that's a possibility?
	Do you ever cover that?
	Well...
	It's actually in the Bible, this rogue planet, indirectly.
	Because at 705 BC, chronologically in the Bible, I think in the book of 1 or 2 Kings, King Hezekiah was told he was going to die.
	He prayed to God.
	He was told he was going to give an extra 15 years of life because of his prayer.
	And he asked for a sign from God through the prophet.
	And he said, you know, you want the sundial to move forward?
	He says, make it go back.
	But it wasn't really a sundial.
	It was steps.
	Yeah, it went back 12 steps, didn't it?
	Or 10 steps or something?
	Correct.
	So in order for it to do that, it's not that the Earth would stop rotating, go the opposite direction, stop and go back.
	The Earth would simply have to tilt.
	And so...
	Believe it or not, that change from a 360-day to 365 and a quarter is technically recorded in the Bible right there.
	I mean, talk about a universal cover-up.
	The greatest event in human history, practically, second to the Messiah, is suddenly the Earth goes from a 360-day year to 365 and a quarter, which means it got pulled further away.
	And get this.
	You know, I've read the Bible many times, and yet every time I read it again, it looks fresh, right?
	So we know the book of Revelation is about the end times.
	We know the book of Daniel is about the end times.
	But Mike, the last time I read the book of Isaiah, it just dawns on me, this is about the end times.
	Because when Isaiah refers to the day of the Lord, it's the second coming.
	And it says in Isaiah 13, 13, about the second coming, Out of its place.
	Just like it happened in 705 BC. But you know, let me ask you this.
	I always thought the reason that 360 degrees were chosen to describe the arcs of a circle, or the angular radians, you could say, of a circle, is because it's just mathematically convenient.
	I mean, 360 is divisible by 12, 10, 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, and of course 1, but not 0.
	And as a result, it's just, like, 365 just wouldn't make sense.
	You can't do the math as easily on that.
	But that doesn't mean it's not by the hand of God also.
	There's a great book out called Privileged Planet.
	Now we know one of the lies that the government says is that, you know, aliens are everywhere and all that.
	I mean, Edgar Mitchell, who goes around saying he walked on the moon when he didn't, goes around saying aliens are real.
	This book written by scientists who believe in God say life should not even exist on planet Earth.
	It should really be nowhere mathematically.
	They said life existing here the way that it does, and they prove it mathematically.
	It's like winning the Powerball lottery 20 times in a row.
	Yeah, but if you play the lottery billions of times.
	Yeah, but that's right.
	I mean, there's a lot of planets out there.
	Yeah, but one of the points that they make is God is so clever that he put into nature things for our discovery, like tree rings to show a passage of time.
	And so the idea that 360 works on a compass, as well as being the days of the year, I think are part of the scientific design for discovery of the Earth.
	You know that, according to NASA, the only place in the entire universe...
	Where the single satellite of a planet appears in the sky to be the same size as the sun is here on Earth.
	And without a total eclipse taking place, the corona or the outside of the sun would never have been discovered.
	And the element helium would have never been discovered.
	So without an eclipse, helium wouldn't have been discovered.
	And without helium being discovered, we'd still be in the Stone Age or Western days at the most.
	Because all of those sciences that led to electronics and chemistry came from the fact that helium was discovered and therefore isolated.
	So that, I mean, the mind of God is incredible.
	He knew that we would make that discovery.
	He kind of planted in all of this.
	I mean, you know about the Eve project.
	They took DNA from every nationality they could, from Eskimos and Africans and whatever, and they traced it back through DNA technology, right?
	And they absolutely concluded that all humans came from one woman, just like the Bible said.
	So these new age people who don't want to believe in God, because they don't want to be obedient to God, they want to go on sinning, they say, okay, that's a scientific fact.
	We can't deny that.
	But we were made by aliens.
	They don't ask the third grade question, well, who made the aliens?
	And then we have fingerprints.
	Think about that.
	We don't have to have fingerprints.
	But fingerprints can help convict the right person and not incarcerate the wrong person.
	The same thing with DNA. I think God built all of that in there.
	So, God is, you know, an artist and a scientist.
	And a lot of people argue about the book of Revelation.
	Either it all happened prior to 70 AD, or it's all going to happen afterwards, or it's all symbolic, or it's all literal.
	I say, what if it's all of that?
	That it all happened before 70 AD? It will also again happen at the end?
	That it's also symbolic, and that it's also literal at the same time?
	Because it is cyclical, right?
	History repeats itself.
	Well, Bart...
	I'm sorry to keep you so long.
	This has been fascinating, but it's apparent we've got to have you back just to talk about Planet X and things like that.
	But for today, I want to thank you for your time and for your fascinating discussion and for being willing to entertain some skeptical questions on my part.
	Personally, I would like to see more photos and videos.
	Now, you were kind enough to send me your book, and I admit I haven't gone through it yet.
	So that's on me.
	I need to look at more of what you've provided.
	But your book is Moon Man, and is that available even on Amazon, or have they banned it?
	Yeah, you just go to Sibrel, S-I-B-R-E-L dot com, and you'll see the Amazon link.
	It's in print, it's in Kindle, and it's audio.
	And if you want to find clips to put in this interview, just watch A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.
	It's 45 minutes.
	Watch Astronauts Gone Wild.
	It's about the same link.
	And there's plenty in there for you to show.
	And then you can also look at the 15 links.
	So if you go to sabrell.com, click on the top left button, you'll see all of these proofs that are incorporated in the book, including like a 17 minute film I did, which analyzes the fake shot of being halfway to the moon even better than a funny thing happened on the way to which analyzes the fake shot of being halfway to the moon even better
	There's even one super scary, you got to see this Mike, somebody, because I used to work at an NBC affiliate, they got a 16 millimeter print of like the national anthem that they used to do at the end of the newscast back when there was some time where there was dead air, right?
	And you're not going to believe what is subliminally in there.
	You know, they're showing the Washington Monument.
	They're showing the Lincoln Memorial.
	And they have the words go across of the national anthem.
	And when they change, they kind of ripple like a Venetian blind.
	And you slow them down.
	And it's actually saying, obey government.
	Do not rebel.
	Consume.
	Obey.
	Consume.
	Really?
	It's just like the They Live message, and yet it was going on on national TV in the 1960s.
	It's undeniable.
	I show it.
	I show it.
	I slow it down.
	I want to see that clip, yeah.
	And you're wondering, our government has been satanic long before we realized.
	And this was before they even faked going to the moon.
	And I will add one more thing before we wrap this up.
	About your Planet X theory, and I've interviewed other people that are talking about similar analyses, there was something about the vaccine push that showed the globalists were in a big hurry.
	Right?
	Like, oh, panic, all of a sudden, everybody's got to get the shot.
	And there was, like, total censorship of any dissenting views.
	The science journals were taken over.
	The science was all faked, but they took over the science journals, the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, the media, completely controlled, big tech, completely controlled.
	I have never seen the globalist cabal Demonstrate such a panic to achieve a global kill-off in such a rapid pace.
	There was actually one other time, but it was a little bit more subtle.
	The space station was built at an enormously fast pace.
	At one point, they were launching two to four space shuttles a year for many years.
	Another thing is, you know, the space shuttle has killed two crews just going 250 miles above the Earth, but going a thousand times farther, never killed, six times ever killed anybody.
	They were in a big hurry.
	To build that space station.
	A big hurry.
	And because doing that many launches back to back It's pushing safety dramatically.
	I think they were urgent about getting something up there built as quickly as possible.
	I think it has something to do with to, you know, shoot a laser against an asteroid.
	If Planet X is real, okay, it's coming toward Earth and it's going to have, as you know, a gravitational wave pushing ahead of itself.
	Pushing.
	Pushing.
	But basically, we talked about this a little bit on the phone, but gravity or empty space is a form of water we've yet to identify.
	So if something is in water moving forward, it's actually pushing the water ahead of itself.
	So it's going to cause a wave ahead of its coming.
	So that's what gravity really is.
	It's a curve in space.
	Therefore, space is some form of matter we've yet to identify.
	Gravity is a curve in space.
	Absolutely.
	So you're saying it's compressing the fabric of space-time before it pulls it into the gravity wall.
	Gravity is a curve in space.
	That means space can curve, which means space is matter.
	Space can curve, yes.
	Yes, so empty spaces really matter like water.
	So as Planet X moves toward the Earth, it's going to push this water, the gravitational wave, ahead of itself, and it's going to hit the asteroid belt.
	Okay, I'm not sure water's a good metaphor for this.
	I think water's too dense for what we're talking about.
	Well, but it's similar to it.
	I mean, when you step into a bathtub, the water expands.
	That's space.
	The water is space, and you're matter.
	I see what you mean.
	Displacement.
	Okay.
	If you asked a fish, what do you think of this water?
	I would say, what water?
	And we're the same way.
	We're not aware that empty space between planets is a form of matter that we've yet to detect and analyze.
	But my point is that just as putting your body in a bathtub causes the water to push around it, as Planet X is moving through the water of space, it's pushing a gravitational wave ahead of itself.
	And that wave is going to hit if Planet X is real.
	And inbound, it's going to hit the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
	And what that means is all these comets and asteroids are going to be pushed out of place randomly with very short notice.
	And I think they were building something in the space station or maybe a secret space station to shoot these things when that event happens.
	Okay, Bart, fascinating discussion.
	Obviously, we need to continue this.
	I apologize.
	I've got to wrap this up now.
	We're way over time.
	That's my fault, but I appreciate you spending the time with us.
	The website is sabrell.com, and I want to thank you, Bart, for joining us today.
	We'll talk more.
	All righty.
	Take care.
	All right.
	Thank you.
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	And we'll have Bart back to talk about more topics like Planet X in the future.
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