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May 16, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Del Bigtree of The Highwire interviewed by Mike Adams about vaccines and the plandemic
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And really I think the big issue is the doctors that are actually on the front lines.
People that are reporting to me but won't get in front of a camera.
What they are saying they're seeing is really a panic amongst doctors and nurses.
Many of them saying my colleagues that got the vaccine are seeing so many people that got the vaccine either coming in sick from the vaccine or with COVID and it appears to be doing nothing for them.
That there's this real waning confidence in the medical establishment of America now that is crumbling right before their eyes.
Welcome to the Health Ranger Report on Brighteon.tv.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
Today, we are joined by a very special guest, one of your favorite people with his own show and his own guest.
It's none other than Del Bigtree from TheHighWire.com.
That's the name of his show, The High Wire.
We're going to bring him in here right after this quick break.
Del Bigtree is interviewing all the top people and just revealing explosive new information about what's happening in this entire so-called pandemic, the information about the vaccines, about the hospitals, about ivermectin, about the lab leak theory, and so much more.
And Del Bigtree has become truly, I say, an American hero for his work on this, his courage, and his ability to explain complex subjects in a very easy-to-understand way.
So we're going to be right back after this break, joined by Del Bigtree from TheHighWire.com.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
Alright, welcome back.
I'm Mike Adams and today we're joined by Del Bigtree from TheHighWire.com.
Thank you, Del, for joining me today.
It's an honor to have you on.
People love your work.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you, Mike.
It's an honor to be on your show.
I always wanted to make sure that people remember that when I was a producer on the CBS Talks to the Doctors, it was actually your work.
You were one of my sort of secret weapons when I was looking for stories to do on the CBS Talks to the Doctors.
I was always a big fan of Health Ranger and Natural News, so you've been doing incredible work for a long time, so it's an honor to be able to sort of be with you in this moment.
Well, I would say right back at you, I really am impressed by the work of your team, your show, your organization, ICANN. You've done some FOIA requests that have been very, we'll say, fascinating.
In fact, why don't you just give us an overview?
I mean, a lot of people that watch this show also watch your show, but maybe not everybody.
Give us an overview of everything that you're doing and how that works, your organization.
Yeah, so my non-profit is the Informed Consent Action Network, ICANN. You can go and look at that information, icandecide.org.
That's our website.
When I formed ICANN was right after I'd been on tour with the documentary Vaxxed from Cover Up to Catastrophe that I had made about autism and vaccinations and the fraud inside the CDC and the whistleblower Dr.
William Thompson.
As I was traveling the nation with that film, so many parents were telling their stories But that film was only about the MMR vaccine.
All these parents were saying, my child never got to the MMR vaccine, my child regressed into autism after the DTaP vaccine, or my child died after a flu shot, or my daughter was paralyzed after the Gardasil HPV vaccine.
So I couldn't answer that question.
People would say, is it just the MMR vaccine, or what about the other vaccines?
I wanted to have answers to that, so I started a non-profit.
As you know, you cannot sue the manufacturers for vaccinations.
It was one of the great protections in this country that doesn't exist for almost any other product there is.
You cannot sue the manufacturer.
Therefore, you cannot get discovery.
You cannot get the information that you would want to from a lawsuit about how the trials were staged, what they know about the safety of these products.
I brought in a legal team because we decided if you can't sue the manufacturer, then who took on that liability?
The government of the United States did.
So we decided we were going to sue the government.
And so that's what my legal team's been doing.
We've sued and won against Health and Human Services, the FDA, the CDC, the National Institute of Health.
We have ongoing FOIA requests that also turn into lawsuits because a lot of times they don't want to answer our Freedom of Information Act request.
Remember, our government works for us.
We have just like we're their boss.
I get to read Tony Fauci's emails.
He has to show me what he's saying.
We get to know what they're talking about in their meetings.
And so that is sort of where we've been very focused and had a lot of success today.
And so the high wire is really the expression of what our legal team has uncovered over the years.
As I said when I started ICANN, if a lawsuit wins in a forest but no one is there to see it, Then did it happen.
So that's why I created The High Wire because I knew mainstream media was never going to cover this.
I was working for mainstream media at CBS. I know you're working for the pharmaceutical industry.
That's who's funding you.
And so if you're going to get these stories out, you have to do it yourself.
So that's sort of the overall nuts and bolts of the high wire has multiple functions.
We have a legal team that is extremely litigious.
We're fighting legal cases at universities now for people that are being kicked out of university.
We have a huge case in California with a professor that has already been infected.
So we believe the natural immunity that exists for him, that that has to be we've got to win on that front.
At the very least, we've got to get the United States of America to recognize And our health department is to recognize what we've always known, which is natural infection leads to the most robust immunity there is.
I think if scientifically we're to look at this pandemic now, the only way it can end now is through natural infection.
The vaccine has proven to be a complete failure, yet Fauci and the NIH and the CDC are refusing to acknowledge the value of natural immunity.
We've got to change that, and we're only going to be able to do it in courtrooms.
So that's a lot of what we're involved in right now.
Well, yeah, you just covered a lot of ground there, but let me ask you this.
You've interviewed so many amazing guests, as we have here, but you're getting people often in studio to really share information with you and also sometimes behind the scenes.
So I want to ask you, of all the guests that you've interviewed, let's say in the last year or so, what are the biggest bombshells that have come out of that that stick in your mind of things that people need to know right now?
Well, I think there's really interesting information coming from Dr.
Ryan Cole, who got his own laboratory.
He is an investigative medical person.
He really is into looking at cancers and heart disease.
This is what he's done for a living.
He is looking at this vaccine.
And remember, all the guests that I'm having on We're, or really most of the time, consider themselves pro-vaccine, but they're really coming out against the dangers of this vaccine.
So he's talking about the blood clots, but he's showing exactly where they're happening.
And he's sort of repeating the information we're starting to hear, that doctors that are doing D-dimer tests, which is that test to see...
If you have had a blood clot but didn't know it, right?
If you have a heart attack, you go into the hospital, one of the first things they do is to see if a blood clot caused that.
There are doctors now all across the nation that are doing D-dimer tests on their patients that are simply just getting the COVID-19 vaccine to see is it causing the blood clots we're worried about.
We're getting stats as high as 60% of some of these doctors' patients that get the vaccine are having micro blood clots throughout systemically through their bodies.
That's horrific.
So he's been really deep on that.
And I think that, you know, I'm looking to actually get Cole on this week or next week to talk about the destruction of the sort of CD8 part of our immune system that really is what protects us from cancers and things like that.
We're getting a lot of reports from oncologists that cancer is going through the roof and that we're also seeing what I'm hearing a lot from people that have been dealing with cancer on both the, you know, sort of mainstream medical side, but also That functional medicine cancer treatment side, they're all saying the same thing, that we track, you know, those people that are in remission with cancer, and they know how long they stay in remission.
Every oncologist is tracking that data for their own office, and what they're saying is, after this vaccine, it appears that people are just, the cancer's coming back, and as I've heard from some doctors, so fast that before they even get a biopsy done, the person is dead.
So I think that there's a real destruction of how our immune system works.
It appears that this vaccine is shutting it down, so it's not protecting people.
So Ryan Cole is super interesting.
And of course, I think Dr.
Robert Malone is one of the most sort of exciting people to be stepping onto the field now.
This is a man who is claiming to be the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology.
And he is extremely concerned about the same things that we've been concerned on the high wire for over a year, which is antibody dependent enhancement, which I think is really the biggest story.
I think it's always been the biggest story.
This was what we saw in the 20 year history of the coronavirus vaccine in animal trials.
Every single animal trial was a failure with every attempt at a coronavirus vaccine.
Very quickly, for people that maybe not understand it, antibody-dependent enhancement is where they injected the animals with the vaccine.
It looked like it was safe because the animals handled the vaccine just fine.
Then they drew the blood, saw robust antibody production, so they thought, oh, the vaccine's working great.
But animal trials go one step further than human trials do.
It's called a challenge study, where they actually inject the virus into the animals to see how well the vaccine's working.
And in every single circumstance in animal trials, instead of the antibodies protecting or blocking the virus or, you know, neutralizing it, as they say, the virus seemed.
I mean, the vaccine seemed to grab onto the virus and help it into the cells of the animal, which led to an immune system.
Oh, you know, meltdown called a cytokine storm, immune pathology in the lungs, the difficulty breathing, organ failure and in many cases death.
That was the entire history prior to us warp speediness vaccine to people.
And so our biggest concern from the beginning, looking at the emergency use authorization, was did they overcome that immune enhancement problem, which was the glaring issue?
You had a side effect of death from all of your animal trials.
And what we saw is they didn't even address it in the trials.
Well, now you have the inventor of mRNA vaccines, Robert Malone, starting to ask serious questions.
Are we seeing antibody dependent enhancement?
I just saw yesterday Chris Rock put out that he had gotten COVID and he's telling everybody, of course, the comedian Chris Rock telling everybody, man, you don't want this thing.
He's sick as a dog.
He had the vaccine, but he's telling everybody get the vaccine.
Well, why is a guy at Chris Rock's age who I think is in pretty good shape getting that sick after he's had the vaccine?
It may.
And it's amazing that his thought is go get the vaccine.
The potential is that the vaccine is making him more sick.
And this is what we're really worried about looking into this fall.
Those of us that have been tracking this, I am concerned.
We're about to see the greatest human die off in history of the world because of antibody dependent enhancement.
If this happens to the people that have been vaccinated, what it's going to do is it primes them to have their body almost have an allergic reaction and over immune stimulation.
That then, you know, sends them into all sorts of physical problems and death.
We would start seeing that now and really in the fall.
When the next flu season comes, the next coronavirus season comes.
And I think we have to prepare ourselves because they're blaming the anti-vaxxers right now for this Delta variant.
But what you're seeing is really a vaccine failure to stop the Delta variant.
They want to blame somebody.
Either this variant or the next one down the road could be deadly for everybody that was vaccinated.
And so we're very concerned about that.
I want to get to that, Del, and I think what you just said is extremely important, so I want to come back to that.
But first, you've interviewed so many interesting people like Dr.
Robert Malone.
Now, something I want to ask you, and this is something person-to-person, both of us doing similar things about interviewing others.
Have you found it interesting that many people you're talking to this year are people who would never Have even come on your show or my show or never would have even been interested in questioning vaccines before the COVID vaccine.
So hasn't this kind of awakened a lot of pro vaccine centrist type of doctors and medical researchers to this incredible overreach?
Are you seeing that as well in your guess?
Absolutely.
I mean, you know, if I went through the list and my memory of all the people I've interviewed, but Dr.
Michael Yeadon, ex-Vice President at Pfizer, you know, guys like this that are, you know, Shukrit Bhakti and these are world renowned Wolfgang Vodarg, all pro-vaccine people.
And so what I want to point out is that a lot of these people, when you look at Michael Eden or Dr. Geert Vanden Bosch, huge, you know, he was head of the Gavi Ebola vaccine program, worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
These aren't people that just believed in vaccines.
These are people that built legacies on developing vaccines and promoting vaccines.
So you have to imagine and you and I both know this, you know, I ruined my television career in many ways as soon as I stepped into this space.
That's fine.
I had to tell the truth, and God has blessed me with the high wire and an amazing team.
I'm not complaining, but I'm saying, you know what you're kissing goodbye once you jump into this arena.
These people are...
You know, destroying their historic legacy to tell us the truth.
That is so rare and it is so dangerous for them.
And it also says to me, Mike, that they have already talked to their friends at the WHO, everyone they know at the CDC. Dr.
Robert Malone works with the Department of Defense.
I mean, he's inside of our government.
He has the contacts to all the people that should be listening to him So if he's talking to you and me, that says that the people that should be listening aren't listening, and these world-renowned scientists now find themselves in a position where they must risk everything to warn the world.
Under those circumstances, we should be taking them very, very seriously because they have absolutely nothing to gain, everything to lose, and the things that they are saying are absolutely horrifying.
And I just want to remind those watching that, of course, you're watching Dell Bigtree.
TheHighWire.com has got his own amazing show.
And we really support your work, Dell, and everything that you're doing.
Also, I'm really glad that you're in Texas.
I think you've been in Texas about a year now with your entire operation.
So that's great.
I've got so many questions for you.
We're going to do an extended version of this interview, by the way, for those of you watching on Brighteon.tv.
The extended version will be on Brighteon.com.
But we have to fit the time format for the.TV. First question, a skeptical question and a very serious question.
This is not satire or anything, but given what we now know about the COVID vaccines, Have you found that it makes the other vaccines, MMR and so on, look far less dangerous than what we're dealing with now?
In other words, are you seeing, because I've heard this from other people, that there's orders of magnitude more danger now with COVID versus the other vaccines.
Are you seeing that kind of chasm emerge in your understanding of things?
Well, I think where that chasm would be is what we do.
This is the fact that we do know.
And that's using the VAERS data, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, which has been huge to my discussion about vaccines for the last five years.
I've been trying to warn the world.
We are seeing up to four or five hundred deaths every year in the United States of America from our vaccine program, meaning four or five hundred innocent children mostly are being killed by our vaccine program every year in America.
And Harvard Medical School was hired by the CDC to investigate how efficient VAERS is, and they came to the determination after being paid a million dollars to do a study that VAERS is capturing less than 1%.
And so that means that it could be as high as 100 times that, so that 400 or 500...
It could be 40,000 deaths.
These are the types of things that we've been talking about.
But when we look at this coronavirus vaccine, in the last nine months that it's been available, there are now 14,000 reported deaths to VAERS. If you really want to sort of split hairs, the CDC is saying that's not all the United States of America.
There's expatriates and people outside the country that use VAERS. It's really only about 8,000.
But 8,000 compared to 400 shows you that this vaccine, as far as, and let me be clear, I'm saying reports.
These aren't fully verified, they aren't fully vetted, but we're seeing an increase in the reports of deaths and injury from this vaccine at a scale that is unimaginable.
It is literally now had more reports of deaths than every vaccine ever used in America for the last 20 years put together.
And so that's where you would sort of come to that conclusion.
But, Mike, what is I think you've got to be careful about now jumping to that conclusion, because part of that is still the mainstream medicine.
These guys that are coming out against coronavirus, they haven't really checked in with themselves when they say, well, I'm still pro vaccine.
I was arguing that we had never had a proper safety trial of any of our childhood vaccines.
None of them has been in a placebo study that was longer than six months.
Most you were lucky if they were six weeks long.
And in the case of hepatitis B given to a day one old baby, that's four or five days long.
That is the length of the entire trial.
We have a lawsuit now against the CDC based on that.
But so when we're looking at this, Mike, one of the problems is these injuries have always been in babies.
A baby can't tell us, I was running a marathon last week, and now I can't walk.
And so it's been very easy for mainstream medicine to discount all of these parents because it's a secondary view of the injury.
I have an infant.
They can't talk.
It seems like they're not doing as well as they were.
Now they have autism.
I can't prove that they weren't always going to have autism.
That's the difference.
So I think it's much easier to understand these reports are happening because you have healthy adults that knew how healthy they were.
Then they get this vaccine and they die.
They have blood clots, whatever it is.
And when we start seeing that pattern...
I think it's easier to report what the adults are seeing and is happening to them, whereas children, it can go unnoticed and we can blame it on other things.
So I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that this vaccine is any worse, though it does.
It does.
If I was going to be sort of throwing it out there as a guess, it does appear to be one of the worst vaccines ever made because the technology is much more invasive into the body, right?
We're not just injecting some form of virus or bacteria in the arm and then maybe some chemicals or metals like aluminum, which is all bad, but your immune system gets in there and it tries to attack it.
This is hiding from our immune system.
We're wrapping it in a fatty lipid or, you know, or we're...
We're changing the mRNA technology so that our body doesn't recognize it, our immune system doesn't recognize it, so it can get to our cells.
And it's turning our cells into a spike protein manufacturing plant.
It's making our body the enemy to itself.
That is a technology that is taking this idea of vaccination to a whole other and I think incredibly dangerous level so it wouldn't be shocking to find that this is the most dangerous vaccine but I think we should halt before we jump to that conclusion what this shows everybody and should show everybody that is newly awakening to this issue that you should have looked at all of the vaccines and now that we know that there's a problem we see what rushing a vaccine the market does now go back and look how long they studied the other vaccines and you'll find that this rushing is
the culture of vaccines we've always just argued with the high wire and I can that all we want is for vaccines to be treated like every other drug we take the same multi-year long-term placebo studies If you were doing that, then I would feel a lot better about it.
And while you're at it, put liability back on the vaccines the way it is for every other drug, and I'll go home.
I think this would solve itself.
One of the silver linings to all of this is that there's no doubt in my mind there's going to be so much more scrutiny placed on the vaccine industry Thank you.
Thank you.
of an accelerated die-off at some level, although it's hard to predict what that is.
But one more question before we've got to wrap up this segment.
One of the advantages of being able for you to interview so many people is some of them tell you things off the record, behind the scenes.
And I want to give you an opportunity here, without naming any names, is there anything that has really stood out to you that was a behind-the-scenes something that you can share without violating any trust?
Just something, a tidbit that you'd like to share here that maybe wasn't included in your broadcast, but it's okay for you to share?
Well, for the most part, what I will say is that I have whistleblowers that share information that have not come on the show.
By the time these individuals want to come on the show, I have yet to have any of them say there's nothing that I won't talk about.
We're all saying once they're at that point, they want to let it all hang out.
But what I will tell you I'm getting reports from, and really I think the big issue is the doctors that are actually on the front lines, people that are reporting to me but won't get in front of a camera.
What they are saying they're seeing is really a panic amongst doctors and nurses.
Many of them saying my colleagues that got the vaccine are seeing so many people that got the vaccine either coming in sick from the vaccine or with covid.
And it appears to be doing nothing for them, that there's this real waning confidence in the medical establishment of America now that is crumbling right before their eyes.
And I think that that's going to get to be the bigger and bigger story, because these were the people that always said to parents, your child wasn't injured by a vaccine.
The science proves it.
Well, now they're being asked to say the same thing about the covid-19 vaccine.
But as I said, they're witnessing it with their own eyes and their patients can talk to them about the health they had before the vaccine and after.
And I think also this is being exacerbated when you see, you know, Tony Fauci and Rochelle Walensky telling the world this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated.
When you do that, it may work as a talking point in the news and scare regular people.
But you have to understand, all the doctors that are on the front lines, they're seeing something else.
They are seeing many, many vaccinated, many times half or more of their ICUs.
I just had a whistleblower on last week.
She said basically 80% of the ICU was the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
So when they see the people that they once trusted, that they believed in and took their word for, Tony Fauci is like...
You know, the pope of medicine, of that religion, when you start seeing them lying about what you're seeing with your own eyes, that further erodes the confidence.
And I think what you're seeing is you're seeing nurses and doctors walk out of hospitals.
So forget the people coming on my show.
How about the amount of doctors and frontline nurses walking out the door saying, I refuse to take that vaccine?
That is unprecedented and that is going to be world changing as we move forward.
All right, Del, we're almost out of time for this segment.
Tell our audience, please, when your show airs, it's at thehighwire.com.
When does it air?
I do a live show every Thursday at 11 a.m.
Pacific Time, 1 p.m.
Central or 2 p.m.
Eastern Time.
We go live.
And one of the things I want to put out there is we are a totally transparent show.
If you're on my newsletter, which all you do is sign up, it's all encrypted.
No one knows who you are.
Sorry, Del.
We've got to go.
Folks, check it out.
Thursdays at 11 a.m.
Central, thehighwire.com.
And thank you, Del, for joining us here.
We'll continue with the extended.
Alright, we are now in the extended version of the interview.
It happens that fast.
But yeah, sorry to cut you off there, Del.
All good.
Okay, so, and just to finish up that question then, where can people see the archives of your previous shows?
Can they get that on your website?
No, I had to...
Yeah, so at the High Wire, we've built a brand new website.
I think it's really easily searchable.
You can just search up the people you want to see or the topics you want to follow.
But we have archived every show that we've done over the last, you know, four years of our existence.
I think we're on show number 222 or 3.
We're in about that range.
We do one a week every Thursday.
11 a.m.
Pacific Time, but that whole archive is there.
We also cut out all the segments, because I know a lot of people, your friends, have short attention spans.
You know, not everybody wants to sit through a two-hour show or work their way through it.
You can just take the piece you really like from our show and send that off to your friends.
And of course, Mike, as you know, this really is, this is like a letter-writing campaign.
We're like the Thomas Paines here, you know, trying to put out information.
Without people sharing it, We are not going to be able to ship this world.
I don't have a Facebook channel anymore.
I don't have YouTube.
All that's been taken away because of the censorship.
So it's really up to the people.
When they see something that really they feel is life-changing, you know, their sharing it is what is changing the world.
We're all involved in this.
It's going to take every one of us soldiering on with the truth and doing our part.
But I have real hope about our future.
I feel very good, as we've sort of just talked about.
I think all of this was necessary.
It had to happen.
It's waking up people faster than you and I could have done what we were doing for the next 20 years.
We wouldn't have woke up as many people as this last year just did with this assault from, you know, a global, I think, agenda and our presidency and our country sort of falling in line.
I think it's waking up people the way we always needed to.
And just a technical question for you, and I don't know the answer up front, but are you okay with people reposting your episodes on my platform, Brighton, or do you prefer that they not post it?
What's your policy on that?
I do not care what anyone does with the information.
I want it out there.
I don't care if you burn it on your own, you know, devices.
That's happening all around the world.
There's people in Israel that get it out to the Hasidic Jewish community that's not online.
They're making DVDs.
It gets translated around the world.
That was my opinion with Vaxx.
You know, the distribution company was never happy with me, but I don't care if people steal it.
I don't care if you share it.
The information is for everybody, and that's what this is all about.
And Brideon, you guys have been great.
We post a lot of our shows there.
You are, you know, one of the safe spaces in this world.
You're a little bit ahead of me on the technology because you've been at this.
And you know I've sat down with you to understand how we're moving forward in a world that was really censoring us.
So I want to just thank you for taking those early hits and pioneering forward.
Brighteon is such an important space for all of us trying to bring truth to the world.
Well, thank you for that, Del.
You know, we built it for people like you to have a place to tell the truth.
And we're continuing to expand it.
I mean, we just put about half a million dollars in the new hardware, just the hardware, to continue to build it and have redundancy.
And the live streaming, now we're doing brighttown.tv five days a week, which is its own challenge.
But as you know, because you've done live TV, so you know.
But thank you for all that you do and thank you for letting people share because it's interesting.
I would say about 95% of the people in this space of truth and freedom have the same policy that you just described.
They're very happy to just let everybody share the video.
You know, even copy articles, just give credit, right?
Just give credit back to the source, but share widely.
But then about 1 out of 20, it's weird, 1 out of 20, and I'll get phone calls sometimes from people, I'm not going to name names, but they're so angry that somebody copied their video or posted their video or copied their article.
About 1 out of 20.
And I find that you don't hear about, you don't, those people don't really have much traction because they don't want to share.
It's funny.
You know, I never understood that.
I was like, hey, share everything.
Just give credit to the source.
It's all.
It's good.
You know, it's sort of always been my philosophy.
And, you know, people close to me have said, you know, you give a lot away, Del.
And it really comes down to, I once saw an interview of a guy that trains CEOs.
I don't know, it was just in the middle of the night I was watching a show.
But it always stuck with me.
He said that his mentor and what he taught, but his mentor said to him, this company that we're working in, We can achieve anything we can dream as long as we don't care who gets the credit.
And that always stuck with me.
It's that battle over credit where wars happen amongst very intelligent minds where we could really achieve anything, but that squabble over whose idea it was or who gets the credit ends up destroying everything and nothing gets out there.
I'm the opposite.
I don't think it matters who gets the credit.
especially because this is an issue where I have children in this world.
I am here simply because I want the world to be the safe and beautiful Eden that I think that we were promised upon, you know, our entrance into this world.
But even more so, I would love the world to just be as simple and clear as the one I grew up in.
And I will do anything.
I will hand off any football.
Anybody that takes in the end zone, I only care that we win this.
I don't care if I go down to history.
I don't care who does or if anybody does.
I just want that history to reflect that we fought for freedom and once again we won our freedom and made sure that our bodies remained intact and nobody is allowed to inject us or force us to eat or drink anything that is not inside of our control.
It seems like such a simple principle and it's amazing that we even have to fight for that right now.
Let there be no question that you, Del, you fought for humanity.
The historical record will be very clear.
And I also believe, I have faith in this, that one day people like you will be really honored and recognized.
Instead of just being named as like the enemy of the world, you and other people, you're going to be honored for your contributions to humanity.
But last big question for you here, kind of on that subject.
You mentioned earlier that you feared we might be moving into the greatest die-off In the history of the world, I think you said.
Many people share that same concern.
Based on the interviews that you've conducted and the legal work that your organization has done, do you have any sense Of the timing and the magnitude of that, I mean, I know this is very difficult to pin down.
There's a lot of unknowns, but I've had doctors come on and say, oh, it could happen 10 years later.
We may see nothing until the right virus comes along and then you have ADE. Do you get a sense that it's sooner than 10 years or imminent?
What's your sense?
I mean, so I always try to make it clear on my show that there's a difference between the facts that I'm presenting and the moments that we're going to speculate or theorize where this may all lead.
So right now what we're going to have is a theoretical conversation based on what we've learned.
So there's no facts now involved except it's based in fact.
I would say that, you know, none of the animals that experience ADE, and remember that was every single animal trial, not just some of them, all of them, They did not wait a year to see this issue.
It happened fairly immediately.
And so that sort of gives me a sense.
And they're animals.
We can't fully just say whatever happens in animal models will happen to human beings.
But it does appear that this is an issue that could be fairly...
Instantaneous or within a year or two because of what we saw in animal trials.
And remember, one of the problems with the antibody-dependent enhancement, as Dr.
Peter Hotez, that warned our Congress the beginning of last year about this very problem.
Of course, you know, Bill Gates gave him, I think, $40 or $50 million in funding for his school.
Now suddenly he says the vaccine is going to be fine.
I don't really trust his change of heart.
But, you know, when he was talking about it, you know, That was an issue he was concerned about in the immediate.
And when we think about how long it would take, the point he was going to make is he said, we don't really know what causes antibody-dependent enhancement.
And that's an issue.
It's something that's been witnessed by science time and time again.
It happens to do with Almost every time we try to make a vaccine for an upper respiratory issue.
So RSV had this problem back in the 1960s.
Children died with that vaccine that we attempted.
We discontinued that vaccine.
Only now is Bill Gates attempting an RSV vaccine program again.
The dengue vaccine, dengue vaccine in the Philippines, had this immune enhancement issue.
They thought it was safe.
They gave it to thousands of people.
I think nearly a thousand people died before they fired the health minister and realized that vaccine was deadly again.
Most people would only get sick from dengue.
The vaccine helped that dengue kill the host.
That is what we're concerned about.
And so I think when we look at it, one of the major theories of antibody-dependent enhancement is that when you have two, there's multiple types of antibodies, but the big ones we talk about are neutralizing antibodies and binding antibodies.
Neutralizing antibodies sterilize the virus.
They kill it dead.
That's what you want to have happen.
That's what you want a vaccine to create.
Well, there's very low neutralizing antibodies created by the first shot, and then the second shot gives you this boost.
But all of the science is now telling us, for the Pfizer, for instance, a big study that came out, an investigation of Pfizer, that those antibodies are already beginning to drop off.
The neutralizing antibodies are dropping off within six weeks.
After your second shot, and some of the studies said within 10 weeks it had dropped by 50%.
So the concern is that when the neutralizing antibodies drop off, but the binding antibodies remain, those are the ones that sort of grab onto the virus and mask it from the immune system and allow it into the cells.
And so that waning immunity is what we're really concerned about.
I'm not worried about the waning immunity two years from now.
I know for a fact it's happening within six weeks of the second shot.
I'm also looking at the panic now in the White House and in Israel, the most vaccinated nation in the world, how they are trying to ramp up this booster program even though scientists see no value in it.
I think internally they're recognizing, oh my God, we may be seeing this immune enhancement problem.
We might be marching 170 million people to their death.
We better do something.
There's not a lot of choices here.
Let's at least try a booster and see what happens.
So part of what I do is just look at what my opponents are doing.
They're acting very unnaturally.
It doesn't make sense that they would be pushing a booster the way they are because it undermines the rest of the faith in the unvaccinated.
Remember, that's almost 50 percent, about 47 percent of this nation still has not been fully vaccinated and are back with this program.
If you want to instill confidence in them, you would say that both vaccines were great.
You know, you don't promote a booster because that says to that group that you need this vaccine is already failing.
When they go against their own interests and their propaganda, that tells me there's an alarm that's already gone off.
I think they're as worried about this as we may be.
You know, based on the animal trials, the fact that we're seeing this very fast waning immunity in the vaccine, I think all that's leading to this scientific probability, and that's what this is, a probability that we're going to see antibody-dependent enhancement start to really hit our hospitals this flu season, and I would guess for the next two years.
And look, I'd be willing to say, I've said to friends of mine that have kids in college, and I said, tell them to take the year off.
Tell them to take off at least until December.
If I'm wrong, I believe by December you will be seeing this rise in death rates in hospitals from this virus amongst the vaccinated.
If we don't, Maybe the science was wrong.
And let me be perfectly clear.
I pray to God we are wrong about this.
I pray to God that the science doesn't prove out the way we've seen it.
I pray that somehow what happened in animals doesn't happen in human beings.
I don't want to see this.
I don't want to be right.
But if we're going to listen to the world-renowned scientists that would know better, the Michael Yeadens, the Robert Malones, and the Geert Bandenbosches, then we should be very Very, very concerned.
And the reason I'm putting out this alarm is they're going to try and say that they're the unvaccinated that are dying.
They're going to try and misrepresent this.
That's why I want those that have gotten the vaccine to know if you start getting really sick, you need to recognize that vaccine may have done the opposite of what you wanted it to do.
And you need to tell your truth as you're going through it because you're a pioneer.
Whether you...
I want to honor those people that have received this vaccine under emergency use authorization, under a situation where it never went through safety trials.
I understand you think you were trying to do what was right to forward humanity, but if it proves that this is a danger to humanity, You must also recognize that that's your job, too, to be honest about that and protect the rest of us.
So I want to honor you for having made that decision, but now you are part of a process we're all watching.
We need you to be honest and forthcoming about your experience.
Well, you're very polite in that, Del, but we find that once people take the vaccine, they will deny any evidence that the vaccine might be harming them.
And also, by the way, last year when we didn't have the vaccine, there were far fewer COVID deaths, as they're called, than there are this year with the vaccine.
So it seems to me that the argument is being lost by...
The government and the vaccine pushers, they're losing the argument every day because the results are just looking worse and worse and worse.
It seems like those who are holding out and saying no or I'm going to wait are actually getting more confirmation with each passing day that they should continue to wait maybe for a couple of years and see what happens, even if they're pro-vaccine.
Would you agree with that assessment?
I totally agree with that.
And look, I think that all of the focus right now has to be on Israel.
We cannot let that out of our sights.
Israel made itself the largest test group in the world.
And I can't say they did it to themselves.
Netanyahu made that deal with Pfizer, sold that nation and that people to be the largest human experiment in the history as I know it.
And so they bragged about it.
We're going to be vaccinated faster, more vaccinated than anyone else in the world.
They got a deal so that they could get more vaccines than really were sort of supposed to be released to them by making that deal.
And now they are under the microscope and they should be.
They're about three to four months ahead of us in the journey that we're taking.
And they now are the second, I mean, they're the most vaccinated nation in the world.
They have the second highest infection rate in the world.
And they're now being banned from travel by European nations, Sweden right now, Portugal.
Other nations are talking about not allowing any from Israel, anyone from Israel into their country.
And they're vaccinated.
I mean, this is phenomenal.
They're already on a third booster.
Their health minister is talking about a fourth booster.
You've got the prime minister saying the most vulnerable population in our nation right now is everybody that's gotten two vaccines and hasn't gotten a third.
He didn't say the unvaccinated.
And we now know that, you know, the low numbers, the conservative numbers, about 60 percent of the serious cases and deaths in their hospitals are amongst the vaccinated.
We've heard reports from inside of hospitals by doctors saying as high as 90% of the serious cases in their hospital are now the vaccinated.
So when Joe Biden last week said he wants to force employers is going to charge a tax or a fine of $14,000 if you don't force your employees to be vaccinated in companies that have over 100 employees.
When I see that happening and Joe Biden in the United States of America has already a litmus test in front of them staring at Israel.
Are you really going to take us down the road with Israel where the health minister is now saying a fourth booster and constant boosters is our future?
This is a thing that will not go away.
It's going to be coming in waves, meaning they are now admitting they cannot eradicate the disease.
Well, then now we know the only thing that can eradicate the disease is natural immunity.
It's the only thing that is scientifically proven time and time again in all the most recent studies, bigger and bigger studies, that you have at least immunity up in as long as we've studied it and probably lifelong like all of those that had the original SARS virus.
Natural immunity is our only way forward.
Geert Bandenbosch, who has been speaking out, has been saying this from the beginning.
The innate immune system must be cherished.
It's our only hope forward.
And he's taking that so seriously that he tweeted out, I don't know if you saw this this week, that everybody needs to start making love and giving birth to children so that we can grow that pool of innate immune systems.
Because I think he's concerned that they vaccinated too many people and we might get a variant that could start wasting our species and we don't have enough natural immunity to stop it.
Beat COVID, make babies.
Yeah, that's the bumper sticker.
Well, that's fascinating.
I can't wait also for the quadruple-vaxxed to start condemning the triple-vaxxed.
You don't believe in science.
You only took three.
We took four.
What will be the really interesting side effect, again, is the work that you and I have done to try and spread the truth.
People are waking up.
I say that right now you have about 50% of America, and I'm proud of America.
I was really getting depressed when I was seeing a million people marching in England and a million people in Germany.
I was like, where is America?
But then when I discovered that we have really the lowest vaccine rate of all of the industrialized world, it said to me, our rebellious spirit and our questioning spirit and our intelligence and our freedom still is holding on to about 50% of this nation.
But just imagine, and I would say that probably at least a quarter to half of the people that got that vaccine got it under duress.
So I'm not even sure you have 50% of this nation's pro-vaccine.
But when they start forcing that third booster shot or saying, As they have in Israel, by the way, your vaccine passport that gets you into clubs and bars, two shots won't do it.
You now need that third shot to have your passport be up to date.
And so the moment they do that, they're going to take the anti-vaccine movement that they now credit to sort of having 50% of America.
We're going to be 75% of America because I guarantee you half of the people that got sick after that second shot said, I am not doing that again.
I was promised I'd get my mask off when I got this vaccine.
You lied to me before.
You keep moving the goalpost.
You keep, you know, stretching this out, putting the carrot out in front of me, and I'm tired of it.
So those of us that are really fighting for truth, we've also got to recognize we got to hold our arms open right now.
Those those that have been doubly vaccinated because they're about to be disenfranchised from their own kind by, as you said, the triple vaxxers and the quadruple vaxxers.
All of that is going to bolster the numbers of the vaccine hesitant in this nation and around the world.
This is the most the biggest colossal error.
I think that our nation and our government could be making the governments of the world.
I think some are privy to it, but it's all going to work in the favor of those that want transparency in this science.
Well, well, well stated, Dell.
And I really have enjoyed this conversation.
I want to thank you for coming on today.
It's been really amazing.
I want to wish you the best with your continued work.
And folks, be sure to check out Del's show at thehighwire.com, a new episode each Thursday, 11 a.m.
Central Time.
Thank you so much, Del.
It's been great.
Thank you very much, and keep up the great work, Mike.
All right, I shall.
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