Greg Caton interviewed by Mike Adams: End times, encounters with angels and demons, vaccine soul sel
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You know, is there any limit to this?
Is there any limit to how far down we go down the path to complete abandonment of logic, common sense, basic principles of human decency?
Can this go any farther?
And every day, it seems like the boundaries of all of these things that involve natural law are being exceeded even more than they were the day before.
Welcome everyone to Brighton Conversations.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com, the free speech video platform.
And today, by popular request, we have back with us Greg Caton.
He's one of the most jaw-dropping guests, we'll say, that we've had on because of his analysis of global events and trends and what's really happening in the world.
He's seen a lot.
He's read a lot.
He knows a lot.
He's going to share with us today what's happening on the forefront of this war against humanity.
Greg, it's an honor and a pleasure to have you back on.
Thank you for joining me.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
Now, here we are, the beginning of August.
It's an outright war against humanity now.
They're not even pretending.
New York City, they're saying no service for unvaccinated people.
You won't be able to go to the grocery store or restaurant.
They're going to starve you out.
Gosh, I thought in America we had decided long ago that we shouldn't declare a subgroup of subhumans and say you can't ride on the bus and you can't eat at the cafe.
I thought we settled that shit a while ago.
What's going on?
Yeah, well, it's a much deeper agenda.
I mean, you know, I had a COVID blog last year, and progressively people...
The cognitive dissonance got more and more and more to the point now that people realize that whatever is going on, this much we know, this has nothing to do with anything in the medical field.
There is an agenda that transcends anything medical because we're doing, as you know and you have reported extensively, the mask range is ridiculous.
It does far more harm.
It protects you from nothing.
That part has been settled.
We know that the vaccine, and of course, you'll be, you indicated earlier, you'll be interviewing Judy later.
We now know that this is all nonsense.
And so in order to understand these things, we have to kind of go to a deeper level to try to put it all together and put it into a framework where something makes sense.
Because none of this makes sense within the framework of what we know medically.
And, you know...
What do you think the agenda really is, then?
I mean, clearly it's not about public health.
If they cared about public health, you know, they would have banned glyphosate, you know, for God's sake.
This is something far more insidious, and they're desperate.
I've never seen the government so desperate, and the corporations so desperate to mass-inject their own people, you know?
I'm going to say something that's...
This gets deep.
This is as deep as anything that you'll ever have on Brighton Conversations.
You know if you want to become proficient in a certain area, you have to practice.
You want to become a weightlifter and get big muscles, you've got to spend time on the gym.
You won't become a marksman with firearms by reading a book.
You have to be out on the firing range shooting the firearms you want to be proficient in.
All areas of human endeavor require practice.
Well, There is an art, there is an area of human endeavor that will allow you to peer into other dimensions, other sides.
I was exposed to this in coming to South America.
Are you talking about remote viewing or something different?
No, I'm talking about the youth of entheogens.
For instance, by way of example, Daniel Pinchbeck wrote a book called Breaking Open the Head, including information about African shamans who use a particular kind of herb called ibogaine to communicate with their dead forebears.
And this is not a made-up thing.
This is something that can actually be experienced.
I've had ibogaine.
I didn't have that experience with me personally.
But what I experienced personally is that you can communicate with spiritual beings on the other side In real time, and obtain unbelievable amounts of information.
Now, I wrote about this.
I wrote a book in 2012 called The Gospel of 2012 According to Hiawaska, and I drew extensively from the work of Emanuel Swedenborg.
Swedenborg was an amazing individual.
To this day, he's revered by many people because of his insights.
And one of the things that he said is he had this ability to go into a meditative state where he could go into various levels of the heavens, into hell.
He would meet demons.
He would meet angels.
He would meet archangels.
And I understand that the average person has a real difficult time of getting their arms around that because our culture doesn't embrace this idea that humans even have that ability.
I chose to develop that ability using entheogens and to acquire as much information as I could gather from the other side And for those who think this is a little bit fanciful, they should read Jeremy Narmie's book.
It's called...
The Cosmic Serpent, DNA and the Origins of Knowledge.
It's a really incredible book.
You can't always have control over who you meet.
I had, for instance, an incredible, incredible journey, April 2012.
You can't forget the dates of these things because they're too mind-blowing.
I have spent time, as did Immanuel Swedenborg, he wrote about this in the 1756 book called Heaven and Hell.
I have met with archangels, I've met with all of these various beings, and there's nothing fanciful about this.
That's an established part of the culture in which I live here in South America.
And on one particular occasion, It wasn't a pleasant experience, but in one particular occasion, it happened on Saturday night, October 13, 2018, I actually did have an encounter with Lucifer.
And I can tell you that...
Well, for one thing I can tell you is Lucifer is infinitely more intelligent than his followers.
I mean, they're all going to get thrown under the bus.
It's an amazing...
He has a whole plan for us.
And when you put things in the context of what the plan is, what the master plan is, there is nothing about COVID that doesn't make sense.
There's nothing happening around us that doesn't make sense.
It all makes sense.
It all perfectly makes sense.
It only makes sense...
Well, hold on.
Let me just interrupt.
So through this method that you've been using to be able to make contact and glean knowledge, you're confirming that this is a spiritual war, which really explains the motivation behind...
Dark spirits from the side of Satan trying to destroy humanity.
That's what's powering all of this, and that's why it seems so evil.
Yeah, go ahead.
Explain why.
Actually, I had an amazing aha experience this week.
And funny enough, it was during one of your bright young conversations.
Forgive me, who is the lady who was a former Pfizer employee who you interviewed a few days ago?
I am so sorry.
Silverstone?
No, maybe not.
Okay, forgive me.
I don't remember the person that you interviewed or her name now.
But you made mention of something about...
The work of Jim Mars, and I had a flashback.
I had this flashback, and the flashback, one of Jim Mars' books was called PSI Spies.
And in PSI Spies, Jim Mars talks about the CIA remote viewers, who I think this was sometime, I think to put a time frame to this, I think this was sometime in the late 80s.
They remote viewed into the future, and what they found in the future was that Most of life on this earth, the earth was practically antiseptic, and what few remaining humans were alive were living in large domes.
And most, his exact words were, most activities, most energies expended by humans were devoted to simply the act of survival.
Now, I have this whole network of intellectual friends where we share, you know, our latest take on, we kind of just share our experiences and, you know, completely independently of each other, we all kind of agreed that the goal of this thing is first the extinction, or as far as possible, the extinction of humanity, and then the extinction of carbon-based lifeforms.
And people might think, well, yeah, that's CIA stuff.
They don't think much of the whole science of remote viewing, but consider the following.
Do you remember how Alex Jones has frequently stated that when he first got started, he was highly influenced by Gary Allen's book, None Dare Call a Conspiracy?
I mean, I'm sure you've heard Alex say that on a number of occasions, right?
Yeah.
And you'll remember early in Gary Allen's book, he says, you have a choice here.
You can believe in one of two things.
You can either believe that there's an accidental theory of history or...
Or there's a design theory of history where everything is like, there's a design.
There's someone behind all these major events that are going on in our lives.
And then, of course, you've got President Roderick Wilson and FDR both said openly, hey, everything you see in politics, there's always intelligent design behind it.
Nothing is accidental, which mimics Gary Allen's claim.
Let's apply that.
Let's overlay those two concepts on top of each other for a moment.
If remote viewers see a future reality on this world that is almost antiseptic, then the next thought-provoking question is, well, is it accidental or is it by design?
And what I'm telling you is that this encounter I had With Lucifer, I've only had that encounter one time.
It's just only that one encounter, Saturday, October 13th, 2018.
There is this hatred of the Creator, this desire for expression to, in every way, if I may use the vernacular, give the Creator the bird.
Give them the big bird.
It's basically an F-U toward everything that's Sacred, in tune with natural law, in tune with the natural design of the universe.
Every way is intended to oppose the Creator.
But that giant F-U to creation is also now what we see absolutely reflected in movies and media and university indoctrination.
I mean, it's a tax on the family.
It's a tax on biology.
It's a tax on children to cut off their genitalia.
I mean, the LGBT and Satanism, they go hand in hand here.
They do.
They do.
It's how could...
What more can we do to give the bird to the creator?
What more can we do to defile to, you know...
And the...
I have a close friend of mine who's an exorcist.
I'm not surprised to hear that from you, Greg.
A lot of the things that come out of my mouth require a backstory, okay?
No, but please proceed.
So I have a friend of mine who's an exorcist, and people have this idea That someone who's demon-possessed, someone who's possessed by the devil, someone who's possessed or demonic entities, that that's something that's in the Linda Blair movie.
They think in very dramatic terms, but in actuality, demonic possession is a very subtle thing and doesn't necessarily manifest in very dramatic ways.
So I get this call from this associate of mine.
He was telling me, you know, I've come to the conclusion that this whole leftist movement, he said, because I have people approach me wanting, you know, very few, very few, but those are approaching me.
And I'm realizing that most of the people on the left...
Are demonically possessed.
And you can see it in very, very subtle ways.
There's this strange, almost inexplicable thing like, I've got the vaccine, Mike, you've got to get it too.
Just like I fulfilled my social responsibility to get the jab, you have one too.
And this is almost ubiquitous.
I hear from many people now, what does the vaccine do to someone to turn them into this evangelical zombie that insists that everybody else...
Absolutely has to get the vaccine.
I'm doing this because of the science, even though none of the science supports this.
And so you can't understand this until you do transcend into a spiritual framework, because none of this makes sense in any other discipline.
None of it.
Well, but we also see a lot of these leftists, they begin to try to express their internal mental image of themselves through body modifications and demonic tattoos.
There was a guy recently, he had surgically a second mouth slit put under his lips so he could extend his tongue through a second mouth.
And he had all kinds of demonic things.
But even subtle things, you know, all these body changes and bizarre piercings and bizarre tattoos.
I'm not talking about just, you know, normal run-of-the-mill tattoos.
I'm talking about like, whoa, demons eating flesh, you know, on your back or whatever, you know.
That seems to be everywhere now.
Oh, it is everywhere.
This is not just a declaration of war on humanity.
It's a declaration of war on life.
I had to fly to Russia on business in July of 2003, and while I was there, there was an Estonian scientist I wanted to meet.
His name was Van Boris.
This guy is incredible.
This guy invented plastics that are citric acid-based that automatically disintegrate within a period of five years.
It would save the oceans.
It would save, I mean, literally, even if you buried it, this plastic completely decomposes.
And he said it would just be absolutely environment-altering.
And he told me that Dow and...
Several other chemical companies came at him.
I mean, and he was looking to, because he had the international patent, Van Voorhis was looking to just make this available so that he wanted to see us improve the environment because he knew how dangerous it is.
The last time I read in...
What is it, five trillion pieces of plastic garbage flowing in the oceans?
I mean, the Earth is 75% oceans and we're destroying it with plastic garbage.
Well, and now mask components are also adding microplastics pollution all over the world.
Van Voorhis came to the conclusion, because of how vociferous they were in trying to stop him, that they don't want anything They may talk about, you know, the Green New Deal and gotta solve global warming and all this other happy talk,
leftist happy talk, but at the core of it, at the core of it, they will block people who invent things that could save the world, save humanity, save the world, save numerous species that we coexist with on this planet.
They don't want any of it.
I know a woman in British Columbia whose husband was...
Unceremoniously taken out, who created a way that you could take all the nuclear waste from all the nuclear power plants and you could use this in a special internal combustion engine that he created.
And when it was finished with the slug, it would be inert.
They went after him tooth and nail.
So they can talk about how much they want to save the world, but the truth of the matter is the leftist is the term in vogue now.
You say, well, at heart, they're communists.
Okay, true, I won't argue with that, but there is something deeper.
You've got to transcend even below these various types of...
Terms we use, socialist, communist, whatever.
It's demonic.
It's purely demonic.
And it's very, very anti-life.
And that's the whole thing behind the AI. The AI movie.
The whole AI movement.
We don't need any more life.
We need artificial intelligence.
We need everything artificial.
Yeah, that's what they're pushing.
Transhumanism.
Dangerous carbon-based life forms.
But that's the thing.
These globalists think that they're going to transcend human biology and that they're going to live in machines.
And therefore, they don't mind killing off all of biology.
But it's all a scam.
It's a trap.
It's a Luciferian trap.
Actually, they're going to be murdered, too.
You can't upload your soul to Silicon Valley.
He knows this.
I hate to say this.
There are a lot of...
People who are, how shall I say this, Christian ministers, or they feel they have some kind of mist, whatever.
They kind of feel like they speak and talk as if Lucifer has this blind spot.
Like, boy, he's got something.
Just wait until the master comes back.
Boy, have they got...
He understands the whole thing.
He has an understanding.
And by the way, I'm not acting as an apologist.
I'm not an apologist for him.
He is as evil and as dark as any person can use language to describe evil and dark.
But just because he's evil and dark doesn't mean he's stupid.
He's far smarter than his followers.
And you go all the way up.
I don't care if you're going to the Rothschilds, the Whoever that you feel is at the very pinnacle of the power structure, all those people that have signed on for this.
But why now?
I mean, why this acceleration so suddenly?
You know, Satan's been around since, I don't know, the fallen angels era or whatever, but...
Why is this happening in 2021?
And it's so intense.
Everything has a time.
Look, over the last thousand years, probably the single greatest mathematician of all time was Isaac Newton.
A letter that he wrote to a friend, I think 1704.
Yes, he was a physicist and a great mathematician, but a lot of people don't know that Isaac Newton thought that the Bible was an encoded work.
He wanted to decode it.
He came to the conclusion, he was very open about it, that an end to civilization as we knew it, perhaps the world as we know it, would come, and he pinned it somewhere around 2016.
In my book...
The Joys of Psychopathocracy and Appendix B, I've got the list of 12 other great biblical thinkers that came after Isaac Newton that similarly studied Scripture and came to conclusion there was something very, very, very special about this timeframe from 2015 to 2020, 20, that somewhere in there something would start that would bring about the end.
However, we can try to discuss what we think we mean when we say the end, but there would be an end to things.
Well, that suggests that there's a timing to all things and that somehow it's as if living on this earth, we're living on a hologram and there's been a timing of everything set, just like you set the timer and after the timer it goes ding, you take the just like you set the timer and after the timer it goes ding, you take the It's as if everything has been timed, and it's as if we've been playing into a divine software program, and we're coming to the end of the program.
What does that look like, then, in your view?
And based on the knowledge that you've acquired from many sources, what do you think happens next?
Because, I mean, there's no longer any...
No one can say, oh, we're going back to normal.
Come on.
There is no going back to normal.
So what happens next?
Uh...
There's a couple different strains of thought.
Maybe there's a tie-in here to these people who refer to themselves and are referred to as pre-trib.
I had a meeting with a man whose name was Jose Iguana.
In 1975, he was approached by these extraterrestrials.
They claimed that When you go down the path of technology, the farther you go down the path of technology, the further you remove yourself from the natural world.
Our species can no longer reproduce.
We have to use the assistance of other species that are similar hominoids to help us, or we're not even able to reproduce anymore.
And he wrote a book called Para Que Vienen, which means Why Do They Come?
I have a copy here.
And I met with him several times.
And they said there's this period that's coming very soon.
They wouldn't indicate the time frame to him.
But when this happens to you...
There'll be people that will be leading.
There'll be those.
And even the way they characterized it is that the reason that you see so much ET activity right now, in fact, I'm sitting right now at 10,000 feet in the Andes Mountains.
This is where I live.
This is my home.
And As long as there is a clear sky, as long as it's not cloudy, there is no night that I have here in the Andes where I don't see extraterrestrial craft.
It doesn't exist.
As long as the skies are clear, I will see ET craft.
They're all over the place now, and these Ectomians, that's what they call themselves, Ectomians told Jose Iguana, It's like a garage sale now.
We're coming here to pick up whatever pieces of genetic material that we can take.
It's just like a garage sale.
We're just picking up because you guys are going to be...
Your lights are out very soon.
And what's interesting is that John Mack...
Go ahead.
Well, so the ETs even know that it's already written that this civilization collapses, and they're doing what?
Trying to pick up the pieces, kind of like looting the planet before the final collapse, essentially?
Is that what you're saying?
That's what I'm saying.
That's exactly right.
And you'll remember...
Do you remember that Harvard psychologist...
John Mack, who thought people who say they've been abducted by aliens are complete wackos.
Maybe we need to put them away.
So he devoted himself to actually interviewing people that had been abducted, and he came to the conclusion, these people are not insane.
They're giving accurate accounts.
I've done hypnosis with them.
I've done...
And I think he wrote a book called Passport to the Cosmos.
Anyways, he died in a...
I think he was taken out.
He died in a hit-and-run in London, whatever it was, 15 years ago.
But one of the things I thought was interesting is that the ETs, the one common thread that existed through all these people who had been abducted by aliens was communicated to them.
The one most common thread was, why are you...
Why are you destroying the earth?
They were perplexed by that.
And there's a deliberateness to this.
And where this comes with reference to COVID, COVID makes perfectly good sense when you understand that there is this dark force that wants to basically treat the earth like a petri dish.
We're going to clear out the petri dish and we're going to re-terraform it for another person.
And we're going to terraform it with plenty of Artificial intelligence, because there's certainly not going to be any natural intelligence left.
And you see signs of this everywhere.
And the thing is, it almost seems like it's...
The whole thing's running a software program.
You know, the one thing I can't get out of my mind, and I don't see anyone who actually...
NPCs.
NPCs, non-player characters.
There you go.
This ties into our earlier interview.
We talked about the work of David M. Jacobs, who for the last 50 years has been talking about...
Do you realize that there's plenty of people that are being...
The Earth is being popular, people who are not really humans or hybrids.
He talked about that for most of the 50 years of his investigations.
But what really amazes me is that...
Even in my encounter with Lucifer, there was this sense that he was not in control.
He knew his part, but he was not in control.
And you see evidence of this.
Now, to people who are not even religious in any way, we talked a little about this.
This is kind of a continuation of a thought thread we had in our last interview.
of this idea that a lot of people who are not religious at all are saying, "Why is it that it seems like we're following the script that's laid out in the book of Revelations?" Where we're currently now at the end of chapter 14, we've still got to make it to the end, chapters 21 and 22.
Why is that?
Why is it that you have this supposed event that happened, whatever, 95 AD, where Jesus Christ supposedly appears to St.
John of Patmos, and he's told what to write down, and out of that comes this book of Revelation.
And he tells him that the number of the beast is 666.
You see 666 in all the major corporate logos.
You see it in the logo of Disney and Apple and Google and the rest of them.
There's this enumeration.
And You have to ask yourself, why would this whole story be laid out by the person that is supposedly Jesus Christ, and it's being followed to a T right now?
To someone who's not even particularly religious, who just has a curious mind, they would say, why is that?
You know, let's have a thought experiment for a minute.
Let's assume I'm Lucifer.
I am the Prince of Darkness, and I wear big boy pants now.
I've got my own kingdom.
And If I was told, well, you're going to use that this number will be this number that represents you.
It's going to be 666.
If I was truly independent, I'd say, well, wait a minute.
I'm supposed to be independent.
I'm supposed to be working on the other side.
I'm going to declare that the number of the beast is 283.
I'm not going to use 666 because that's obeying you and doing what you told me to do.
I'm not going to run the end of times where I follow the book of Revelations as if it's a script, and I'm a Hollywood director, and I've been given a script that I have to follow to create my movie.
I'm going to be independent.
There's no independence shown here.
It's as if...
I've had a couple friends, again, I have this network of buddies, all of whom were highly intellectual.
He said, if I didn't know better, I'd say Lucifer and the Creator were in cahoots, because Lucifer is not acting as if he's an independent character.
He's acting as if he's following the script, too.
It's as if...
Well, first of all, let me just comment.
I think you absolutely win the top prize for the world's most interesting Rolodex of contacts.
No doubt about that.
And you probably have the world's most interesting library there, too.
You know, to your credit, you read and research a lot.
But it seems like what you're saying is that this is kind of a massive simulation And that some characters have scripts that they're playing out, but then, for whatever reason, others of us have free will.
But not all, quote, people walking around have free will.
In fact, I mean, right now, you look around just America, half of the so-called people just seem to be bots, right?
The vaccination is...
And I know, I'm going to say this slowly because people are just going to have a very difficult time getting their arms in.
I believe that vaccination is, in a sense, an invitation to demonic possession.
You'll remember, you've reported on it before, these lectures that Bill Gates gave where he said, you know, these are so great.
People aren't even going to think about God anymore when they get this vaccine.
Remember that?
You've reported on it.
And it's true.
All right, well...
Once you disconnect the person from feeling a connection, maybe you've seen this, maybe you haven't, where some women who are very psychic or intuitive will get the vaccine and go, what's happened to me?
I can't feel God anymore.
I can't feel...
I've heard that.
What's happening to me?
Okay, you've heard of this, right?
There's something to this.
And it shows what the real intent...
Of the vaccine is.
It is leading people in the direction of demonic possession.
And this friend of mine I was telling you about earlier, he says, you have no ideas.
I've never seen anything like it.
And this ties into the earlier thing I told you about the Sarayaku tribe here in South America, here in Ecuador, where in their cosmology at the end of times, Which right now, they said, it will seem like the evidence of the demonic is everywhere.
Coming out of the trees and the sky, out of the mountains, out of the rivers, it will seem like the demonic is everywhere.
And to me, in terms of my perspective, it does.
It seems like everywhere we look now, we are seeing this kind of demonic zombification of Supportive of all things that are anti-nature, anti-good, anti-family, anti-anything that fits in with the natural order of things.
Right, anti-biology.
The American Medical Association just announced that they no longer recognize biology.
In medical school, they're teaching that there's no difference between men and women, which is really strange if you're a doctor.
Why should they now that we know that there's 40 genders or whatever it is?
It's almost too much for a person who isn't like...
It seems like, you know, is there any limit to this?
Is there any limit to how far down we go down the path to complete abandonment of logic, common sense, basic principles of human decency?
Can this go any farther?
And every day it seems like the boundaries of all of these things that involve natural law are being exceeded even more than they were the day before.
Well, right.
And I mean, just to underscore that, you know, a year and a half ago, when people like myself warned that vaccine passports are coming, you know, the media would do hit pieces.
It's a conspiracy theory.
You're never going to lose your freedom to a vaccine passport.
You know, things like that.
And, you know, they're not going to have door-to-door teams coercing you.
And now this is all announced by the mayor of New York City or the president, fake President Biden, you know, his press secretary, Psaki, and so on.
It's all that underscores.
What you're saying underscores what I'm saying because an impassionate just reading a book of – It sounds extreme, like...
This is never going to happen.
No one's ever going to do this.
No, they're never going to enforce this.
This is crazy talk.
And they're following it like it's script.
You shall not be able to buy or sell...
Yeah, we're there!
The tyranny that's described, particularly in the last half of Revelation, it's like it's being followed like it's a script.
That's the amazing part.
It's if they have...
You know, I believe that, see, human beings have free will.
And I don't believe that the beings that are in the dark, I don't believe that they do.
I don't even think Lucifer truly, truly has free will.
I think that free will is an amazing gift.
And the average person doesn't understand the reason that this amazing gift was granted to be able to make this incredible decision.
Are you going to exist in this kind of hologram reality for a very temporary period of time?
Because The way the world is so poisoned now, you're lucky if you do get to 100 years old.
Or are you going to make a decision that your true place in the universe is with a loving creator?
And when put from that perspective, it just seems like...
You earlier asked me a question.
I don't think I gave you a full answer.
Where do I see this going from here?
They say, we're going to be offloading some of you.
Some of you are going to perish.
Some of you will starve.
But even the extraterrestrials, according to Jose, even they have an understanding of the divine plan in this.
Which shocked me because, you know, I had been exposed for years to the work of Jacques Vallée.
The basic idea that all ETs are evil, all ETs are demonic.
There are no extraterrestrials that are not demonic.
And, you know, these particular beings that are approached says, we know who Jesus Christ is.
Even to us, we are familiar with His place and His connection to the Creator.
Even they had this understanding.
It was actually amazing.
It's funny.
The owner of Equavista, a major, said, this guy's a complete fraud.
I'm going to prove what a fraud he is.
He paid to have a guy with a top lie detector analyst from the United States come down to interview the guy.
They interviewed him and his wife, and the lie detector analyst said, He's telling the truth.
He's telling his experiences as he knows them to be.
So I think there's something to this, and I think there's something to this idea that how we make our exit, because we have all these people worried right now, especially with all this talk.
Again, we talked about Chris at IceAgeFarmer.com.
All this talk about cutting the supply lines.
People are going to be starving.
You're going to go to the supermarket one day, and there's going to be no food in the supermarket aisles.
I think how...
We make our exit from this ongoing nightmare from hell is less important than how we do it.
Again, this kind of ties into Edgar Cayce, the famous Christian psychic, was one asked, well, where's the best place to go?
Is it the Ozarks?
When things really hit the fan, where's the best place to go?
And Edgar Cayce said, you know, in the end, in the end, it will not be so important...
Where you live, but how you live.
And I think there's a lot to be said for that.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Let me play devil's advocate with you here just for a moment.
A thought experiment.
And this thought occurred to me the other day.
It's like, humanity has become, overall, so pathetic.
Even though we have elements of people, you know, protesting against these mandates, and so there are awake, aware, you know, free will people in Germany, in France, in the UK, in Australia, and so on, in the US, everywhere, even, you know, where you are, you know, there's an anti-vaccine movement or a health freedom movement, but at least half of humanity It's just going along with all the evil.
And it's like, at some point, I'm tired of trying to save you people because you're not willing to even lift a finger to try to save yourselves.
And so my devil's advocate question for you is, why shouldn't the ETs be correct that declaring humanity is not worthy of this planet?
Isn't that actually a rational exo-terrestrial logic?
That's built in the biblical commons too, you know, this whole idea that the path to destruction is wide and the gate to salvation is narrow.
And I will tell you, I've had ayahuasca journeys where I'm going down, I've had several ayahuasca journeys where I'm going down this tunnel and my wife was with me, and I'm looking around, I'm seeing other couples.
I'm not seeing very many people.
And I asked, what does that mean?
And it says, there will be very few leaving.
Why that is, I don't know, but consider the following.
One of the great Native American Indian chiefs, I can't remember, Sitting Bull Crazy Horse, I can't remember which one it was, but one of the great American chiefs, Native American Indian Chiefs made the statement, you know, it was always curious to us that it was so important to you that we convert to your religion.
When you do such a lousy job of following it yourself, and You know, I mean, can the argument be made?
I'm not trying to obfuscate your playing the advocate position, but can it be possible that Satanists are simply following their religion better than Christians are?
Because they're really, really dedicated.
They're dedicated to serving Lucifer in every possible way.
Is it possible that Satanists just end up being truer to their religion than Christians are to theirs?
But I understand that your point, and I... There's still a lot of blanks that need to be filled, and I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but I believe that this kind of spiritual framework that's emerging is the only thing that allows this to make sense, because it makes zero sense in any other point of reference.
We now know it makes no sense with respect to any of the sciences the way we know the true science to be.
And you've interviewed so many people who are enunciating this point.
This doesn't make sense.
I'm going to report it.
I'm going to tell you what's happening.
Your interviewees are not saying this makes sense.
They're just saying this is what's happening, and this is the best information we have at present.
But they're not telling you it makes sense.
Well, right, because, you know, I've done podcasts on topics like if you look throughout the natural world, there is no animal, no animal that deliberately poisons its own children.
But humans do.
They'll buy pesticide-ridden, you know, GMO food, glyphosate-infested food, and they'll feed it to their children.
And then they'll even tell themselves, oh, we're following, you know, a healthy diet.
This is a more modern phenomenon, because if you look at something like Marshall Sollins' book from 1972, Stone Age Economics, If you look at the indigenous peoples, most of the indigenous peoples of the world, they don't do any of this either.
They would never consider poisoning their children.
Modernity brought with it the influx of these demonic entities that don't appear to have evidence in earlier indigenous societies where they did have this understanding.
We need to live...
In accordance with our environment, you know, we have to look seven generations back and seven generations forward to really understand what influence we're having in our environment.
Indigenous societies are very, very sensitive to that.
Modern man It doesn't, but I think it's largely because of these demonic influences.
There's kind of a reference to this.
You get the sense if you read the nine-volume work, as I have, of the Anastasia books from Russia.
Ringing Cedar Trees of Russia, that whole series, there's this same sense that we have really lost our way and that modern man is so far removed, so far removed from the natural ways that humanity has lived.
This is also true when you look at the You know, Jerry Mander's work, Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, which he published in 1975.
It was the same thing.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but we're getting close to the end of the time for today.
But you mentioned that you had contact with archangels, for example.
Has there been any positive message from archangels or similar sources that say, hey, you know, Satan's going to be defeated?
Because that's what the Bible says.
And if we're following the path, you know, the track, then in the end, you know, God wins.
So are you getting any confirmation?
I talk about this.
It's in a chapter in my book, Gospel of 2012, According to Hiawaska.
I had an encounter with Michael, Raphael, and Ariel.
Those are archangels.
If someone were to ask me of all that, remember that Lucifer and Bezelza, they're archangels too.
They're just fallen, fallen archangels.
Okay.
But if you were to ask me, What particular entity have you ever encountered that was, let us say, the most mind-blowing, that had the most impact on your physiology, the most mind-blowing?
I'd have to say Ariel.
It was like encountering this divine Rambo.
I mean, the ultimate Maha Kshatriya, ultimate warrior, ultimate...
It was very overpowering.
I'm not saying that my experiences meeting Michael and Raphael, these other, weren't also extremely powerful experiences, but in terms of just the whole power to defeat evil, they understand, the archangels in the higher realms understand that this is a process of fleshing out good from evil.
Look, it's an amazing thing that happened.
I mean, Christians talk about the I think?
But he couldn't have that experience unless he...
If you force someone to love you, it's not love, it's coercion.
Love only comes from free will.
And so out of that, humanity was given the most unbelievable gift of all.
They were given the choice to choose between a loving creator...
Or everything that opposed creation.
A person would actually have that choice.
And it's like I've had sessions where I just cried for hours because there was this experience of a creator that loves us, that wants us to, you know, that famous quote from St.
Augustine, you know, God loves all of us as if there was only one of us.
Yeah.
And that experience is incredible, to have that experience, and then to know that people are just going to toss it to the wind.
But we all have been given that choice, and there is no greater gift than free will.
I completely agree.
In fact, all human rights are natural projections stemming from free will.
But, you know, my last question for today, my question would be, what are they waiting for?
It's obvious.
Evil is trying to destroy humanity.
They've injected, like, what, half of the U.S. population and probably going to inject half the world population with this demonic spike protein bioweapon.
You know, like, how late in the day are Michael and, who did you say, Raphael and Ariel, you know, how late in the day are they going to show up?
Right?
Well, these experiences happened in the spring of 2012 and running up to the publishing of this book, but the sense that I got is that this all fits into a plan.
Maybe we don't understand it.
The questions you ask are profound, and some of the greatest of the Greek philosophers were perplexed by it.
Look, you got Pythagoras.
It was Pythagoras who made the statement, why do we have evil in this world?
And he brought it down to two points.
It's a matter of God having the ability to dispel evil and having the willingness.
And he said, this is in Pythagoras' writing, if he is willing, but he is not able, he is an impotent.
And if he is...
If he's not willing and he's able, then he himself is evil.
And if he is not willing and he is not able, then why call him God?
I mean, so the questions you're posing are good ones and perplexed the greatest thinkers of all time.
That was within this plan a profound need on the part of the Creator that if you want something as great as an eternal existence with the Creator, you have to earn it.
It has to be earned.
It's not just something He gives away for free.
You have to There has to be some effort made.
That divine gift of free will has to be exercised in a way where even though you're doing things that could cause horrible things that could happen to you in the hologram, you're realizing that there is a reality that is more meaningful than this very temporary fake existence that the Hindus and the Vedantists referred to as Maya.
It's just the play, this artificial reality that we're in.
And that would appear to be What the end goal is, and as hard as it is to accept that, it certainly makes more sense than any of the trash that we're being fed by the official narrative.
Yeah, exactly.
Or the fake Christian churches that now, the megachurches that seem to dominate Christian pop culture in America today, they're all working for Satan, too.
Yeah, there's no question.
If a minister is not, you know, if the 504, whatever you call it, the tax exemption is more important than saying this is the way, I mean, to not come out, I mean, to me, there's a certain obviousness, this whole idea that the The vaccination being the mark of the beast, there's a certain obviousness to it.
There's nothing else.
It describes it so perfectly that to deny that, you have to go a long way to try to make that not fit because it fits perfectly.
Yeah, I'll probably crank up the microscope, put a vaccine sample under the high-powered lens and look in it.
It'll be like Satan giving you the finger.
Who knows?
But Greg, we've got to wrap it up.
This has been a fascinating conversation.
Obviously, we're just scratching the surface.
I want to mention that people can find you.
Your website is herbhealers.com.
We'll put that on screen for people.
And also, just to invite you to come back and talk again as this develops, because we're running out of time.
That's clear to all of us.
Yeah, we are.
But we're running out of time, you're correct, but we should not lose sight of the fact that there is...
important reality to take into consideration.
And the way this world is going, again, to return back to the beginning of our interview, if these CI remote viewers are correct, you want to know something, this isn't a world you're going to want to live on anyways.
Yeah, well, you're probably right.
And yet, so many people are pushing it.
They're all in with it.
All in.
They can't wait for the destruction.
All chips on black.
All chips on black.
Okay.
Well, Greg, thank you so much for joining me today.
God bless you for all the work that you do.
Stay safe and keep me posted.
We'll do this again.
Thank you for having me.
All right.
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