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May 4, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Stewart Rhodes warns Jan. 6th will be DISASTER for Trump if Insurrection Act is not invoked

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	Hello and welcome to Brighteon.com.
	This is Mike Adams here, the founder of Brighteon.
	And in this conversation, we're interviewing Oath Keepers founder Stuart Rhodes, who's also a constitutional scholar.
	So he's got a lot to tell us today about what may happen on January 6th as the parallel tracks of electoral votes are opened and considered by the United States Congress with Vice President Pence presiding over a joint session of Congress, both the House and the Senate.
	Stuart Rhodes, thank you so much for joining us today.
	I know you've got a lot to share with us, some good, some bad news perhaps, but where do you want to begin with this?
	I think it's important to talk about the U.S. Senate and how people are hanging their hats on this great hope that Vice President Pence, as the president pro tempore of the Senate, will be able to step in and miraculously save the election and save Trump's presidency at the last minute.
	I think that's incredibly important.
	It's dangerous, to put all your hopes on that, and also, frankly, a bit naive.
	I mean, look at McConnell.
	He's telling everybody in the Senate, just go along with this.
	Don't fight it.
	And they're relying on all of the Republicans to do something they haven't done in all of Trump's presidency, which is stand together and stand firm behind the president.
	You've got turncoats like Romney.
	Of course, now McConnell's joining openly.
	So I think it's very disastrous to wait until that last moment on January 6th and hope that there's some kind of miraculous stiffening of the spines.
	It's like putting all of your, it's not just putting all your marbles in one basket, it's really putting the foxes in charge of the hen house.
	The corrupt politicians on the political right have been in bed with China.
	Lincoln McConnell, he's married to, I believe he's married to a Chinese national, and he's got business ties in China.
	And a lot of these corrupted politicians on the right are just as bad as the ones on the left, on the Democrat side.
	Yeah, that's what voters are certainly discovering that right now, and many suspect that the GOP has made a deal with China to take out Trump, and this is the way that they're going to accomplish it, regardless of what happens with the vote.
	But you've been studying the mechanisms, and I agree with you up front, saying I have seen a lot of analysts, I've probably heard a dozen different explanations of what happens on January 6th.
	None of them agree with each other.
	Some of them are vastly oversimplified.
	Right.
	You've been studying this issue.
	How do you think the mechanism works on January 6th?
	If we get one member of the House and at least one member of the Senate to to protest the votes as they're read, like starting with Arizona, let's say they protest the vote.
	What happens next?
	Well, here's the problem I have.
	There's a federal statute, through U.S. Code Section 15, counting electoral votes in Congress.
	And down at the very bottom of that, it goes through what they'll do when they get electors in from each state.
	And if two houses agree that there's a slate of electors that's not proper than what they do when they agree, of course they're not going to agree.
	Even in the best situation, you're going to get the House going one way and then the Senate going the other.
	But even if that were true, what it says here is, down towards the end, I'll find it real quick.
	But if the two houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointments shall have been certified by the executive of the state under the seal thereof shall be counted.
	So that would be the governors.
	Pardon?
	That would be what the Democrat governors certified.
	Or the Secretary of State.
	He's part of the executive branch.
	So yes, so they would go back to, for example, all the states that have certified their election and certified the electors that are picked through their election, now that you've got Republicans sending an alternate slate, right?
	Well, they're going to go with the one that was certified by the executive of the state.
	So what the states have got to do now, that's why it's a huge mistake to wait and put it to Congress to do this.
	What has to happen right now is all of these GOP legislatures, like Michigan or Georgia, should be going back and decertifying their elections and decertifying those slates and not decertifying Sending two slates up, they should send only one, a Trump slate.
	That's the best way.
	That's the surest way to close that door to the fraudulent election results and the fraudulent selection of electors.
	Yeah, you just nailed it.
	That is the answer.
	To decertify the fraudulent electoral votes We're good to go.
	The GOP members, they seem to have lost, well, maybe they never had a spine, but they certainly aren't finding it now.
	And in some of these states, they aren't even in session.
	So it seems like that mechanism is impossible to happen.
	There's just not any will to do it right now.
	Well, the same problem is going to be even tenfold in the U.S. Senate.
	So I think it's a tragic mistake.
	This is why, going back to what I've said for months, and I've said it in the last two or three weeks now since the election, Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act.
	He must do a massive seizure of all of the evidence of vote fraud, and not just that, but all the evidence of those who have been corrupted by the Chinese government, Who have taken bribes or been blackmailed, including in the Supreme Court, including in all the state legislatures, including the governor's offices, all of them, expose them all.
	And that will put pressure on these state legislators and dump the data and show who's dirty and who's clean.
	That will pressure the ones that are left.
	They should be arrested if they're dirty.
	If they've been taken bribes, they should be arrested or removed from office.
	But the ones that are left will be pressured then to go and decertify.
	If you show the American people, if you just did this, even if you didn't even arrest anybody, it was all freaked out about using the military inside the United States.
	To me, it's a bit like this.
	If the Chinese had parachuted in, you know, PLA paratroopers and took over all our voting stations and made everybody at the point of a gun vote a certain way...
	Wouldn't you expect a president to respond to military force to repel that invasion?
	And if he had the cooperation with complicit domestic enemies, would you want them to also be brought to task with the military and suppressed?
	Of course, the answer is yes.
	Well, that's what they did.
	They just did it electronically instead of doing it physically with a gun.
	They did it electronically.
	It's still the same result.
	So it just drives me insane.
	Okay, let's say you don't want him to even use military force.
	He just seizes the data, uses military force for that, and he just discloses all of it.
	He frees Julian Assange, frees Snowden, puts them to work doing what they do best, and exposing everyone that's dirty.
	Now the American people know.
	And now he gives the good guys who are still left in the state of legislatures everything they need to go and do the right thing.
	That's what he should do right now.
	That's why he should not wait.
	He only has a week, really, to get this done, because the clock ticks on the 31st.
	It says in the statutes there, That it's supposed to be certified or sent to the U.S. Senate six days prior to January the 6th.
	It got to the end of the month.
	Well, I agree with you that Trump needs to invoke the Insurrection Act immediately.
	And interestingly, there are more calls for that to happen, including from the Epoch Times, which is saying he needs to act.
	And it doesn't mean he has to put troops on every street corner.
	He just has to go into the cities in these key swing states and just seize the ballots and the machines, secure them.
	And then have the military do counting and assessments of what's on those machines.
	That's a pretty limited operation.
	I mean that could absolutely be done in 48 hours.
	Well, and also, I would say, go seize the CIA, NSA, and FBI databases as well, so you find the dirt that they have on who has been corrupted by foreign governments, who has taken money or been blackmailed.
	So that's necessary also, to expose the traitors.
	If you're going to suppress an insurrection, suppress it across the board, because it all ties together.
	Well, okay, that makes sense, but if you start doing that, then don't you also have to seize big tech and you have to seize the complicit media operations as well?
	Well, you can certainly seize the big tech because, once again, they have the data too.
	I mean, Facebook is a DARPA program.
	That's what Facebook is and was from the very beginning.
	It came out of DARPA. It came out of the military intelligence and the intelligence agencies.
	That's what it is.
	And right now, it's an arm of the communist Chinese government.
	So yes, go see that data.
	I would not suppress and shut down the newspapers and CNNs.
	Let them all flap their gums for a while.
	But you go expose them also for taking Chinese money.
	So the main point is, is you go and you show the American people what's been done and how bad this really is, that the rot goes all the way through every level of government, every branch, local, state, federal, across the Supreme Court of the United States, everything, all the judges.
	So expose that.
	Then you have the pressure on the state legislators to do the right thing.
	And as far as that goes, fixing the election, they should send a new slate of electors.
	They should decertify the fraudulent results and certify a clean slate.
	But if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act and if he also releases to the public this information that DNI John Ratcliffe has hinted about, which is that there was substantial foreign interference in the U.S. election, can't Trump simply establish that this election The rigged result was a result of cyber warfare, an act of war against America.
	And with or without the Supreme Court, isn't that nullification of that election?
	Because if he can establish and prove the attack on our national infrastructure, national defense that took place on November 3rd and 4th, can't he just invoke military authority?
	Well, I think you can in the sense of saying that, hey, I'm now in a war.
	We're in a war against the Communist Chinese and the traitors within, and we're going to have to hold a special election and go into the states and have the military make sure that it's actually run accurately according to state law.
	State law still governs.
	The Constitution's very clear on that.
	You can't just, you know...
	It'd be nice to be able to just have an election where you do a thumbprint like you did in Iraq and the military runs the election, but you have to do it according to the statutes that have been set up by the states.
	Of course, they're all rife with flaws, but you do your very best to secure it and make sure that's done right.
	That's what you have to do.
	He has to run a clean election, and that's what he should do right away.
	I hear what you're saying, Stuart, but...
	From now on, as we just saw, anytime Democrats count votes, it's not a clean election.
	It's going to be fraud.
	If Democrats are counting votes, it's going to be a stolen election from this day forward.
	A lot of them would be in jail.
	At the same time, Barr should be removed from his office, not just fired and let him sit there until the 24th.
	He should be removed now and put a fire breather in there, maybe Giuliani, someone that's going to actually fight, and then assign special prosecutors, a whole team of them, to go all over the country and start prosecuting people, start indicting people.
	And then putting them in jail.
	And of course, what's going to happen is a lot of them will roll over on each other to get a deal.
	That's why I wanted to seize all the data everywhere.
	If he seize his data everywhere, then they won't know who has what dirt on them.
	And they'll start rolling over on each other.
	Mid-level men will roll over on the big fish.
	That's what's going to happen.
	And they'll spill the beans.
	They all have their own laptops with security on them, right?
	They all do what, what was his name?
	I forgot his name.
	Wiener.
	They'll do what he did.
	He had a laptop with stuff in there as insurance.
	So they've got that kind of stuff.
	They'll turn it over.
	Well, the situation that you're describing here, there's a lot of skepticism of whether Trump will pull the trigger on this.
	What's your take?
	I mean, do you think Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and seize the ballots at least?
	Or do you think he will just do nothing and will end up just defeated by default?
	Well, I think the pattern is not looking good.
	Because look at Barr.
	He let Barr stay there.
	He did a public statement that Barr did a great job.
	Then he got people, you know, the Q followers saying, well, Barr is, or Lynn Woods actually, is saying, well, Barr is going to be, you know, in the end vindicated as some kind of patriot.
	He's going to go and, you know, he's leaving to go do work outside of the government.
	It's like, give me a break.
	Barr has been a gatekeeper from day one and there to do nothing but spike the tires and anything Trump was trying to do.
	So I don't buy it.
	So I think Trump has yet to realize how badly he's been screwed.
	This is the problem with, you know, people saying, oh, Pence is going to save the day.
	Pence is going to stab him up, too.
	Even if it goes to some kind of magical vote where Pence gets to break the tie, Pence is going to screw Trump over.
	He could Count on it.
	He's already done that in the past.
	Out of his group of people that he has brought in have been a lot of the people that have stabbed Trump in the back already.
	I don't trust Pence at all.
	So they're all part of the same establishment that does not want Trump to be effective and want to run the clock out on him.
	I think it's a disaster to trust any of that.
	So he has not displayed the awareness of how badly he's still being screwed over by his people.
	I haven't seen it yet.
	Well, what you're describing, and I think what we've been trying to communicate to people, is that we've lost our constitutional republic.
	No one has any faith in the Supreme Court after that Texas decision, for sure.
	People don't have faith in the state courts or the state supreme courts or even the district courts.
	People don't have faith in their legislators.
	Even at the local level and certainly not the federal level, no faith in mayors and governors who have in many ways turned against the people and weaponized lockdowns, made people prisoners in their own homes, crushed their local businesses while those same mayors and governors are out partying with no masks on.
	You know, it's a total hypocrisy quagmire here.
	But it seems like there is no institution that will stand up for America except maybe the military.
	It seems like it's come to that.
	There's one.
	There's one man that we put in, we hired to do the job, and the founders gave him the power as commander-in-chief to suppress an insurrection, and that was delegated by him.
	The decision to do that was delegated by the U.S. Congress in the Insurrection Act as early as 1807.
	But even prior to that, George Washington...
	You know, as president, as commander-in-chief, suppressed the Whiskey Rebellion, called up the militia, and went and suppressed it.
	So it's inherent in his responsibilities.
	That's why he has that power.
	So it's either he does it, and he does it now while he's commander-in-chief.
	He does the declassification, which he has all the power to do.
	You know, Snowden has no authority to declassify.
	You know, Assange has no authority to declassify.
	But Trump does.
	Absolute authority to declassify.
	So why not do it?
	Why not declassify and expose all the dirty secrets?
	That is the swamp water that the swamp creatures swim in, or the dirty secrets that both control and protect them.
	If you drain the swamp, it would be to throw all of those dirty secrets out in the street, expose them all.
	You know,
	it seems like I suspect Trump doesn't recognize the power of the militia groups or we the people, as you said.
	I don't think...
	It seems like Trump always thinks inside the executive and what he sees every day, the people around him.
	He doesn't realize there's this whole country of patriots who are just sort of waiting to receive orders.
	They're ready to help.
	They have Second Amendment rights.
	They love this nation.
	And they're willing to fight for this nation.
	But...
	Right now, Trump isn't invoking them at all.
	He's not invoking even the military.
	The Insurrection Act says he can call up the militia and the armed forces.
	He's not doing either.
	Yeah, the militias, the National Guard, it's also the rest of us.
	All of us from 17 to age 45 can be called up into military service, and those of us who are prior military can be called up until age 65 because of our prior training.
	So everyone in this country that's of military age or prior training can be called up by the president.
	And so that's like what I did in my written open letter to the president the other day.
	I said, look, The military should be instructed to defend our borders, to seize the data, but otherwise defend our borders from outside influence, and then the rest of us, as the militia, will take care of keeping the peace.
	We don't have to worry about riots or Antifa.
	We'll take care of that quickly.
	If we were let loose to go and suppress the insurrection, Antifa wouldn't have a prayer, not a friggin' prayer.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Now, let's talk about worst case scenario.
	What happens if Trump fails to invoke the Insurrection Act?
	Not only would it be the greatest failure of his presidency, it would be the failure of our nation, I believe.
	Joe Biden gets sworn in, let's say, on January 20th.
	Wouldn't Biden then very quickly invoke the Insurrection Act himself to try to go after people like you?
	You probably will, which is why Trump needs to do it now.
	He can't walk away from the nuclear button and the commander-in-chief position and turn it over to a Chinese puppet.
	It's like massive dereliction of duty for him to do that.
	So that's why he has to just use his authority now to put a stop to it and drain the swamp and throw the skeletons out of the closet.
	If he doesn't, then yes, we're going to be in a horrendous position of having a Chai Khan puppet in the White House with his hand on the nuclear codes, him and Kamala.
	And they will turn that against us.
	And we'll have to do a bloody, massively bloody revolution against them.
	That's what's going to have to happen.
	I don't want to encourage you to say anything that you don't want to say under OPSEC, but you have said publicly that you would resist a Biden administration, and you just mentioned that it would be bloody.
	Well, it would happen.
	I think it'll track right with our founding fathers.
	General Gage landed in Massachusetts, and he was made basically the dictator over Massachusetts.
	He suspended all town hall meetings, declared them all to be illegal, and the founders just thumbed their nose at him and did what they wanted anyway.
	And they forced him to come after them.
	They nullified.
	They smuggled.
	They did everything to go around his edicts and the Crown's edicts.
	And then when he came to force himself on them with military force to try to arrest their leadership, then they fought back.
	That's when the war started.
	That would be very much the same thing.
	Well, you bring up a really interesting point.
	The Democrat-controlled cities under President Trump, they declared themselves to be sanctuary cities in terms of immigration.
	So they declared, they essentially nullified federal law when it comes to immigration.
	So couldn't a state of Texas, for example, say, well, we're going to be a gun sanctuary state.
	We're not going to follow federal laws on gun restrictions.
	Couldn't that happen?
	Exactly.
	And that's what we should do.
	What we should say is because he's an imposter, because he's an ursiper, he was illegitimately placed in the White House, he's not a legitimate president, nothing he says, nothing he touches, nothing he says that comes out of his mouth has any force of law.
	None of it's constitutional.
	It's null and void from inception, and we're not going to obey it.
	That's what we need to do.
	Same goes for all of his administration.
	Same goes for anything else that comes out of Congress, anything else that comes out of the courts.
	We should just say it's all illegitimate.
	We're not going to obey it.
	Well, but by that logic, and I agree with that logic, by the way, the 2018 midterm elections were also stolen using the Dominion voting machines.
	Remember when all those votes flipped four Democrats in California late at night?
	And suddenly the Democrats had a majority.
	So Nancy Pelosi is the illegitimate.
	She's not the Speaker of the House.
	Adam Schiff, his impeachment was null and void.
	None of that ever really happened in the sense that that election wasn't...
	legal and fair either.
	Yeah, agreed.
	So you just have to, I mean, besides the threshold point of anything you're saying that's unconstitutional, it's no one voted from exception anyway.
	But now it's spectacularly illegitimate because they're not legitimate office holders.
	That's exactly right.
	But you have to have massive, mass noncompliance and defiance.
	You must defy, you must mutually pledge you're going to support each other, and you must organize.
	That's why you need to have very public militias, like you see in Virginia, where you've got 500 guys standing on the count of green, or 1,000.
	That's what you need to have across the country.
	People coming together, if they can, with a strong local sheriff, and the sheriff will be a constitutionalist and stand up.
	But if you won't, do it without him.
	But you've got to be united, because if you're by yourself, they will send in a SWAT team or send in, you know, the HRT or some snatch team of U.S. Marshals to come get you.
	So you've got to unite with your neighbors.
	You cannot just be an isolated, you know, try to hunker down and be isolated.
	You've got to unite.
	Well, and plus on top of that, it's pretty clear that the corporate media, which of course is complicit in the cyber warfare theft of the election, and a media which hates the principles upon which America was founded, the same media that said Antifa was peaceful, they will say that patriots are terrorists.
	So that's going to be their narrative.
	The patriots are terrorists.
	Anybody who's resisting, let's say, gun confiscation, then those people need to be arrested and taken down and thrown in prison and so on.
	So you're going to have this media narrative where even if you are peaceful, Stuart, they're going to say you're a terrorist merely by your posture of being pro-America, you know?
	Absolutely.
	It's the same thing the founders dealt with.
	They were labeled traitors and rebels.
	It's the same exact thing.
	But they knew better than that, and they came together with others who agreed, and they resisted together.
	That's the big message.
	You know, there's this idea in people's heads that we can't associate publicly, but they'll all try to hide.
	It's too late.
	Your phone has been tracking you.
	They've been mapping out who you talked to.
	They know exactly what your sentiments are.
	They know that you're a Trump supporter.
	They know who your family is.
	They know who your friends are.
	They already know your network.
	So you might as well come together with that network in mutual aid and mutual defense to stand together.
	That cancels out the ability of the secret police to come snatch you and have an artificial superiority of force over you at 3 o'clock in the morning.
	They can't come Roger Stone you if you're surrounded by neighbors who will rise up with you and are united.
	And you've got comms with your neighbors and you're ready to go.
	That's what you have to have.
	Well, that also brings up the question.
	No doubt the corrupt FBI would be loyal to Biden because the FBI hates America as well.
	But what about the military?
	I mean, surely there are many people, mid-level military people and, of course, frontline guys who are going to say, no, I'm not following orders from this illegitimate president, especially if the order is to go attack American citizens who are patriots.
	Bingo.
	That's exactly why you need a public militia or public mutual aid system that forces them to try to use the military.
	If you're not doing that, if you're not organized, they can come get you with a local SWAT team that might be complicit or, you know, an HRT team or a snatch team for the U.S. Marshals or FBI.
	They can come and do that to you.
	But that's why you want them to have to use the military.
	You want to be strong enough that they can't use a select bunch of contractors, you know, what the founders would call hirelings, right?
	So you force them to then try to use the Marius Marine Corps or the Army or the National Guard against you.
	And now they're dealing with men who aren't just there for a paycheck, who are loyal to the Constitution.
	That's exactly right.
	Right, right.
	Look at Bundy Ranch.
	600 men with rifles, well-trained, well-armed.
	They could not use Las Vegas Metro.
	They were like fish out of water.
	Even the FBI HRT, as high-speed a lot of those guys are, a lot of them are former Delta and all that.
	They couldn't have done it either.
	They'd have had to use, you know, either air strikes or a drone strike or some kind of extraordinary force, military force, just to put us down at Bundy Ranch.
	And that would have woken up all the guys in the military if we did.
	Yeah, if Biden is put into power and he invokes some kind of response by the military that's seen as America's Tiananmen Square, Yeah, that's just going to activate patriots everywhere.
	And I would think, and I want to ask you this question, do you think that right now there are millions of Americans who are willing to take up arms and defend their nation knowing the injustice of this election theft?
	It's the unfairness that's infuriating to people.
	It's not necessarily that Biden might be sworn in.
	It's that it's unfair.
	We want fairness.
	Well, it's not just that.
	We understand what he is.
	He's a puppet of the Chinese communists.
	He's a Chi-Com puppet.
	And we know that it's going to be China-lite.
	It's going to be the social credit score that's already happening in the United States.
	They're already modeling on China.
	All the COVID restrictions are modeling on China.
	So we understand that it'll only get worse.
	It's like Patrick Henry said in his famous speech.
	What is it going to take?
	When is it going to be?
	When are you going to be stronger?
	When's it going to be any better than it is right now?
	We must fight.
	And that was in support of his motion to raise militia in every county.
	That's what he was arguing for when he gave that speech.
	So we need to follow the exact same advice and form public militias of all of the patriots in our counties standing up together.
	Because it does cancel out the secret police.
	It forces them to try to use the military.
	And then you'll have a split inside the military.
	That's what you want.
	Do you think there are millions of Americans right now ready to stand up and fight for the country?
	I think so, but the problem is they don't have a clear map of what to do.
	So it's going to be up to us.
	So if Trump went through the data dump, then we're going to have to do that.
	We're going to have to go expose the bad guys and continue the work of WikiLeaks or Project Varys and expose it.
	But we also have to give them a roadmap of defiance.
	They must nullify it.
	They must follow the founding example.
	You know, when Gage ordered them not to hold town hall meetings, they banned all town hall meetings because town hall meetings were seen as subversive.
	Well, the founders told them to stuff it.
	They did it anyway.
	But they had militia around them, and Gage was powerless to stop them because they were surrounded by armed militia.
	He couldn't just go in.
	This is what happened in Licton and Concord.
	He couldn't just go and send a dozen hand-picked officers to go arrest Adams and Hancock, the leaders of the rebellion.
	That was the main goal there was arresting leadership.
	So he had to send in an entire battalion of infantry to go do this because he did not have the ability.
	The secret police could not do it with the militia surrounding them and protecting them.
	He had to go and suppress that militia first.
	So that's why he had to use so many troops, and that was when he was the clear aggressor, and he still got his ass handed to him.
	That's what you want.
	Yeah, along those lines, remember that recent video of the GOP electors in Michigan who were trying to enter the Capitol building and the state police, I think it was, was standing in the doorway and saying, you can't come in.
	We already have the electors in the building.
	Of course, that's the Democrat electors.
	Looking at that, the thought occurred to me, these GOP electors should have like a dozen security people with rifles right there, and they should have arrested that guy standing in the doorway.
	A citizen's arrest, you're committing treason.
	You're blocking proper GOP electors from placing their vote.
	I mean, at some point, it seems like GOP... Members and so on have to realize you can't do this by just being polite.
	You're going to have to assert your right to participate in this process.
	You're going to have to do something along the lines of what we saw at Bundy Ranch or the other things that we were involved in, the Sugar Pine Mine, where we took armed men to reinforce the right of a person to do process.
	So yeah, I mean, that would be a game changer.
	100 armed men or 200 armed men standing behind an elector might have made a huge difference.
	I think so.
	Yeah, it seems like that's what it's going to come to because I don't see any scenario where the Democrats ever back down or play fair or anything.
	No.
	The Supreme Court has given them a green light to steal and cheat.
	I think they're going to steal the two seats in the runoff election in Georgia.
	No question.
	Why not?
	What's the penalty?
	What's the downside?
	This is where Trump is just driving me nuts.
	He has the authority and the duty to step up and defend this country now.
	We're going to have a fight.
	It's like, do you have to see parachutes in the sky?
	If you saw foreign troops landing and shooting Americans, then he would do something.
	Well, this is as bad.
	This is actually more insidious and worse because now you're having all your institutions ripped apart And taken over from the inside out by your enemies.
	They're going to control.
	They're going to be the ruler of China.
	What's his name?
	The premier there?
	He will be the commander in chief through his puppet, Biden.
	That's who's going to be the commander in chief over our military.
	Then all we can hope for is that the military will say no.
	Well, and you're right.
	What we just endured here is being characterized as a cyber Pearl Harbor.
	And in the real Pearl Harbor, you know, people saw the bombs, the ships sinking, the casualties of the sailors.
	Yeah, we knew we were in a war.
	But with this war, because it's cyber warfare, and by the way, it's still raging.
	You know, the Pentagon's, what's it called, cybernet was taken down.
	Backdoors, Trojan horses being exposed everywhere.
	It's not just solar winds.
	It's the DOD's own internal secure communications protocol systems have been compromised across the board.
	This is way bigger than what's being reported in the media.
	It's huge.
	The cyber war is raging.
	And it looks to us like Trump is sitting there just, what, waiting for a Pence miracle on January 6th?
	That's not going to happen.
	Well, there are people behind the scenes.
	There are legit white hats.
	I've been hard on the Q people for a long time because I think they've been subject to a misinformation campaign or a PSYOP. But there are legit white hats who are working To get him to do the right thing and to give him the information he needs and to set up the mechanisms.
	I think that executive order that he passed about two years ago probably came from people, you know, patriots inside of his administration.
	You need to realize that most things that are done in the name of a president aren't really done by him.
	They're done by advisors.
	So someone's been doing some good work in there, setting up some pieces.
	And, of course, people attribute this to some kind of massive plans.
	Like, no, they're just doing what they can.
	They're sneaking in what they can that would be useful.
	Same thing goes for him appointing Miller as the Secretary of Defense.
	I think it's a very good sign of what is possible.
	But he has other people in his ear to tug a war over Trump within his own family.
	His sons are on one side, his daughters on another with her slimy, worm-tongued husband.
	You know, whispering in his ear that he needs to concede and run again in 2024.
	Trump will never, he'll probably, we'll see the light of day after he gets out, but they'll probably arrest him and prosecute him, and it'll be like a Stalinistic show trial, and he'll be put in prison and probably Epstein and killed.
	That's what he needs to understand, is he'll probably be wiped off the face of the earth.
	I can't see how he doesn't understand that because he knows the crimes that these deep staters are capable of committing.
	They've already carried out many operations against him.
	Maybe they told him, hey, if you just concede, this is the gentleman's agreement.
	If you concede, we won't do that to you.
	And us, the GOP, you know, Pence and McConnell and all the rest of them, we'll protect you and we'll make sure it doesn't happen.
	So you'll be able to quietly, gracefully go off into the sunset.
	Right.
	That's probably what they're trying to tell him, but it's a lie.
	He needs to understand that's a lie.
	Why would they not want to crush him and his family and make an example out of him so that no one ever tries to do that again?
	No more Ross Perot's, no more Ronald Reagan's, no more Trump's, no one trying to come up from the inside to take over the GOP again.
	Yeah.
	Well, you mentioned Chris Miller at the DOD, Secretary of Defense.
	Trump put him in there specifically asking for him or, I mean, appointing him to take that position.
	Trump also put Ratcliffe in as DNI earlier this year.
	And Ratcliffe is right now reportedly fighting to make sure that his report on foreign interference of the election includes the details of China's engagement in that foreign interference.
	Trump has also put many other people in place in the DOD. It seems that he's obviously planning to use those personnel because it would be pointless to put them in if Trump's just going to leave on January 20th.
	Or someone in his cabinet, in his inner circle, is laying this out.
	Now the question is, will he do it, is the big question.
	It might be that there's someone close to him that says, this is what we need to do, let's get this stuff done, and then it's just a matter of him saying yes or no.
	So I don't really know.
	I don't know if it's Trump driving that, or if it's someone else that's close to him saying, hey, we've got to have a last-ditch contingency here.
	But the longer he waits, the more it looks like he's only doing it to stand power and the less time he'll have.
	Because there are hard constitutional lines and limits, like January 6th is one right there.
	If they certify the electors for Biden, and it's been done by a bunch of turncoats who aren't arrested, who aren't exposed by that date, Then after that, if he tries to do anything, he'll be seen as illegitimate.
	So that's the problem.
	And his main audience for that is the U.S. military, like you said earlier.
	That's what really matters is what the military believes is correct and right.
	So his window to act here is really next week.
	I mean, he's got to act before Christmas, it seems, if the military is going to have any time to recount ballots, let's say.
	Right.
	That's why he needs to get rid of Barr.
	Barr needs to be bounced out now.
	I would put Giuliani in there.
	You know, I'm not a huge Giuliani fan because of some of the stuff he did in the name of the war on terror and also, you know, stop and frisk and all that kind of stuff in New York City.
	I think it was unconstitutional.
	But he does appear to be a slugger for President Trump, a fighter for the president.
	I would put him in charge.
	I would make him my attorney general.
	I would not have.
	What's this guy's name that they're putting in now?
	Who is the assistant?
	Who is this guy?
	He's another pencil pusher from inside the beltway.
	Bring in Giuliani, but hire some special prosecutors, some actual litigators and prosecutors from the states.
	That's what he needs to do.
	Kelly Sorrell from Texas is one of them.
	She'd be a prosecutor down on the border.
	She's all about digging up the dirt and fighting both sides, both the Democrats and Republicans.
	I'd make her a special prosecutor and put her in charge of the team and assemble a bunch of other ones and go for it.
	Well, yeah, you mentioned there are a lot of really capable people and people with courage all over America.
	But one of the great failings of the Trump administration for all these years has been his proclivity to surround himself with swamp creatures rather than picking people from outside the D.C. area, it seems.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	He's hired from inside the Beltway.
	He has hired swamp creatures to help him drain the swamp.
	It makes no sense.
	Like I said, it's like having chickens darted by the foxes.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, so what are you hearing from the members of Oath Keepers right now?
	Are they saying the same things that you and I are saying here?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They're frustrated.
	They want him to do the Insurrection Act.
	And they're not going to accept any...
	They're not going to vote anymore.
	Quite a few of them are like, hey, some of the guys in Georgia, they're going to go and they're going to vote for the Republicans and do their best to try to hold on to the Senate.
	But, you know...
	Quite a few of them are like, hey, what's the point?
	It's obvious now that they can steal any election they want.
	So why give any credence?
	And it kind of proves the libertarians right.
	All these years libertarians were saying, you know, you're wasting your time voting.
	All you're doing is giving legitimacy to an illegitimate system.
	It turns out they were righter than they knew because, you know, I think they've been stealing elections for as long as we've had electronic voting.
	That's what I think.
	Well, that's true, but if we hadn't voted in 2016, Trump never would have been elected.
	So we overcame their fraud.
	That's what happened.
	We surprised them with the outpouring for Trump.
	Yeah, we overwhelmed their cheat.
	But this time, of course, as I warned, I hate to say I was right about this, but I was right.
	I said, they're going to make sure they cheat enough next time.
	I've been worrying about that for years, and I was correct on that, which brings me no joy.
	You're exactly right.
	And importantly, with the extended mail-in ballot counting days, they don't even have to pre-decide how much they're going to cheat.
	All they do is shut down the counting on the evening of the election, and then they decide to just add however much they need at that point.
	So it doesn't even matter.
	If Trump got 90% of the vote, they could still out-cheat that as well.
	Yeah.
	Well, they flipped his vote to theirs electronically.
	You know, they did it both in paper and also electronically.
	So they covered their butts.
	But, you know, in the end, they probably went through more steps than they had to because you've got complicit electoral officials in the states.
	You've got cowardly GOP officials in these states.
	You've got cowardly governors or complicit governors.
	And you've got a cowardly court.
	The Supreme Court ducked their own Jurisdiction.
	It's as though, let me make sure people understand this, this wasn't like an appeal coming from an appellate court to the Supreme Court where the court has discretion to deny, you know, appeal.
	This was to the original jurisdiction.
	It's the same thing as if you'd gone to a district court and filed a complaint and the judge said, I'm not going to hear your complaint.
	You're not going to dismiss it or even consider the merits.
	You're going to say, I'm not going to hear it.
	That's what the court did.
	That's what Thomas and Alito pointed out.
	It's like, hey, you guys, we have no discretion to not take this case.
	We have to hear it.
	And yet the court pulled it out of their rear ends that they now created this discretion to even say no to an original jurisdiction case in front of their own court.
	So for the first time I've ever heard of in U.S. history.
	So the Supreme Court is, I think, complicit.
	I think they're dirty.
	Either they're dirty or they're cowards.
	So one of the two, or both.
	Well, and their reasoning was also flawed in the dismissal.
	It's clear that the states have to be granted access to a constitutional republic, and it is the states, plural, not state.
	It's not the United States of America.
	It's states, plural, which means there is an implied constitutional contract that the states will play fair in federal elections that elect national leaders such as Trump.
	Even their argument of dismissal makes no sense.
	Well, it goes back to the Article 4 Section 4 of the Republican former government, but you can also just say, hey, look, this is part of the compact.
	When we enter the union, this was the argument made by Bill Olson, a really good attorney for GOA, him and his team put this argument together.
	When we entered the Union, we came into this understanding that we're going to have this system, that when the Constitution says the electors will be selected by a manner established by the state legislature, we understand what that means.
	Legislature is the body of the people.
	It's what the founders consider the safest place to put power.
	You can't say that we're going to accept electors who are selected not by what the Constitution says, but instead by some, you know, A hacker or some Chinese agent or, you know, through a cabal of thieves who've stolen the election, that that's somehow valid.
	And we got no say in that, that a state over there can be as corrupt as it wants to and be Alice in Wonderland, not...
	A republic, not representative of the people, and that's okay.
	We have no claim?
	It makes no sense.
	That makes no sense.
	And just to paraphrase what you said, the Supreme Court has granted Democrat-controlled states the right to cheat in any way they wish, even if it's blatant.
	Yeah.
	They just cheat right on camera, cheat right in front of you.
	In fact, they could just appoint a Democrat president in the future and not even bother to hold elections, and the Supreme Court would say, we're not going to hear that case either.
	Well, I mean, the state legislatures could, as they used to do.
	They don't have to tie it to the popular vote.
	They could just get together as a legislature and vote.
	But this is not even that.
	It's not...
	Let's get together as a legislature and decide we're going to choose a president this way.
	It's saying, hey, some of us are going to claim we're doing it that way, whatever way the legislature establishes, but we're not going to do it that way.
	We're going to do it any way we want to.
	Right, right.
	That's right.
	They're not even following their own rules.
	You might just walk in there and anybody that votes for Trump, they just shoot him in the head.
	And then they say, oh no, if you vote for Trump, you're going to get shot.
	So everyone votes for Biden and that's a fair election.
	Yeah, what could they not do?
	Well, right.
	And aren't they also kind of begging to be shot themselves?
	Because, you know, elections are a replacement for kinetic fighting to determine who's in charge, right?
	So elections is us being polite to say we're not going to just, you know, shoot each other and decide.
	Instead, we're all going to go to a building and we're going to vote and then we're going to respect that outcome, whatever that is.
	But when the Democrats say they're going to rig that system, aren't they kind of begging for violence again?
	Well, it goes back to the Declaration of Independence, that to secure these rights, governance instituted among men, deriving their just powers by the consent of the governed.
	So they have to be just powers with the consent of the governed.
	This is being done without our consent.
	It is unjust, and it is becoming destructive of these ends.
	Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is our right to alter or abolish it.
	This form of government has been so corrupted that it is violating every one of those principles.
	It's not just.
	It's not with our consent.
	Let's look at the Founding Fathers.
	They had no representation in the parliament because they were across the ocean.
	We have no representation any longer at any level of our government because it's been stolen.
	So we are no longer represented.
	So we're going to have to separate from this atrocity.
	We're going to have to overthrow it, alter it, abolish it.
	That is the point.
	We are no longer represented because our vote is stolen.
	Yeah, it was stolen by millions of illegals, then it was stolen by dead people voting over all these years, they've been stealing elections, and now it's been stolen in our face with this blind, just out in the open, massive vote fraud.
	So what does it look like then when patriots across America, just we the people, withdraw our consent from an illegitimate government?
	What does that look like on a practical level?
	It looks like what the founders did, or what you saw in the northern counties that refused to go along with the Fugitive Slave Act, where they hid and protected slaves, and they threatened to arrest U.S. Marshals who came to arrest them.
	There's a long history of nullification in this country.
	It'll look much like the Battle of Athens, Georgia.
	That's how it's going to look in the future.
	It's going to be like that.
	I'm not familiar with the Battle of Athens, Georgia.
	That's where you had a situation where returning World War II vets realized that a corrupt sheriff was stealing the election, and they went and they seized, took rifles and seized the ballot boxes.
	Oh yeah, okay.
	Then you had the governor try to order the National Guard of the state to go and suppress the veterans, and the National Guard refused the orders, refused to do it.
	Okay, so yeah, ultimately it comes down to asserting Athens, Tennessee, my bad.
	It was not Georgia.
	It was Athens, Tennessee.
	Oh, Athens, Tennessee.
	Okay.
	It didn't ring a bell either way, but that is interesting.
	We, the people, at some point, you're going to have to join together, and you're going to have to assert your right to freedom against tyranny.
	I mean, that's ultimately what it all comes down to.
	You know, when Bundy Ranch happened, I talked to some of the veterans that showed up there, asked them why they were down there.
	One of them was a Marine Corps vet.
	Brandon Rapola came down from Washington State, drove all the way down in his pickup truck.
	And I said, why'd you do that?
	He said, of course, the attack dog, biting the woman was bad.
	But he said the one thing that really pissed him off the most were these First Amendment zone boxes put on the side of the road with tape around them where you're allowed to only protest inside a little box.
	He said that pissed him off.
	That's what blew his gasket.
	He grabbed his rifle, grabbed his ruck.
	threw it in the truck and went because he said he fought for our freedom overseas.
	He's not going to let it be destroyed here at home.
	That was his tipping point.
	How much more are guys like that going to be pissed off about raising theft of elections and living under an illegitimate dictatorship?
	They're not going to stand for it.
	Yeah, it seems like there is a boiling of emotions right now that's temporarily on pause because people are kind of waiting to see how this plays out.
	But once we...
	Right, waiting to see what Trump's going to do.
	But after January 6th, it seems like that patience is over at that point, I would imagine.
	Well, after January 20th especially, there will still be hope.
	This is the problem is that, you know, I've got Lin Wood saying that Barr is going to be going around doing some kind of machinations behind the scenes and some kind of miraculous, the Q people are still waiting for this miraculous event where all this stuff is made right in one fell swoop.
	There's a chance that could actually happen if Trump does what I've been saying he needs to do since the summer.
	Vote the Insurrection Act, do a declassification and data dump.
	That would fix it.
	Or at least start the ball rolling to clean the house.
	It would be a long, hard fight even then.
	Because they'll fight back.
	They'll fight dirty.
	But they would be on their heels.
	We would have the advantage.
	But if he does not do that, And the clock runs out.
	After January 6th, he's going to have, what, three weeks?
	Two weeks?
	And that's it.
	And he'll be seen as illegitimate if he does it.
	Even then, he should still do it.
	I would still call on him to do it.
	And I would call on him to refuse to concede, refuse to leave the White House.
	And I would turn my sights first on all of those senators in the U.S. Senate who certified and ratified an atrocity.
	Turn your sights on them, too, and expose their dirty laundry.
	You'd have to.
	And to say, look, we're in a war to save the Republic.
	They're traitors.
	They've taken over, illegitimately taken over our system of government, and they've illegitimately overturned my reelection.
	That's what you have to say.
	And, you know, Trump, even by himself, with nobody else cooperating with him, he could issue a public directive to activate We the People and give them orders to go arrest a long list of traitors.
	I mean, he could do that himself.
	He needs no one's permission to declassify anything.
	He needs no one's permission to call up the militia.
	He needs no one's permission to declare an insurrection and to deploy the military to suppress it along with the militia.
	All of that is in the hands of the commander-in-chief alone.
	And that's not martial law.
	It's not the same thing as, like I've heard people say, you know, he should do temporary martial law or suspend the Constitution or the Insurrection Act somehow does any of that.
	It does not.
	It's perfectly constitutional to suppress that insurrection.
	He will still have to indict them.
	They still have a right, we talked about last time, they still have a right to a jury trial for treason, but hey, indict them.
	I'll stand for the jury.
	I'll sit in the grand jury or a petite jury, a trial jury.
	Put them on trial.
	But he's going to go through, and I would start my DOGA, too.
	Go through and find all your U.S. attorneys who are dirty and get rid of them.
	Fire them.
	You should have done a mass housecleaning of the U.S. Attorney's Office in the first place.
	All of them.
	Well, we're just about out of time here, but there is a line of thinking from a lot of analysts right now who say that Trump is trying to give the courts and Congress every last chance to do the right thing, and that he plans to act, but not until all of that has been exhausted.
	What do you think of that line?
	I think it's a mistake.
	I think it'll be too late.
	You know, he should have declared an insurrection in the summer and got the ball rolling before the election, because now they're going to say, because he lost the election, that's why he's doing all this.
	And then, of course, January 6th is a hard constitutional deadline, right?
	It's, well, actually...
	It's in statutes.
	It's in statutes, right.
	So he could still have until January 20th to do a lot of this, but the longer he goes, the more illegitimate he's going to be portrayed because he'll run out of time.
	So he's got to do this as fast as he possibly can.
	You pointed out before that he's going to be perceived as illegitimate no matter what he does or when he does it.
	So I think you're right.
	It doesn't matter.
	He should just do it now because there's no way to look better.
	But he'll get a better response from the military if he does it sooner.
	I think the longer he waits and the more they've gone through their dog and pony show, well, we went ahead and certified, and Congress did his part, and he had his chance in Congress, and Congress ruled against him, and Congress has the absolute authority to say no to him.
	Tough luck.
	Take a hike.
	Then the military is going to be like, well, you know, hey, it went through the courts, it didn't work, it went through Congress, it didn't work.
	It's a double-edged sword for him is what I'm saying.
	Right, right.
	Technically, from a legal standpoint, and I'm not advocating for this option, but isn't it technically possible that the Supreme Court could vacate Joe Biden's presidency after January 20th if enough evidence is presented to them even after the fact?
	I think so, because the Constitution, yeah, I think that's correct, because the Constitution says that the electors will be selected in a manner laid out by the legislature.
	And if you could show later that it actually was not done in that manner, then it wasn't constitutional.
	That's exactly right.
	That's the problem.
	They ducked that review.
	They did, right.
	Yeah.
	So there's no indication that SCOTUS would even take up a case like that.
	Right.
	And so I think it's worth taking another bite at the apple, but all you're really doing is exposing the Supreme Court's cowardice and complicity.
	Yeah.
	That's what you're doing, really.
	Okay.
	We're in the middle of a civil war right now.
	We're in a civil war slash revolution against this, you know, cancerous puppet regime that's taken over.
	The deep state, the people who are in the bed of communist China, the virus itself was a biological weapon of warfare that was used to set up this scenario to allow the killing of our economy, killing of middle America.
	It is the Great Reset, right?
	They're raising economic war on us and political war through the fraud.
	All of that is facilitated by the virus.
	So all of this has to come up at the same time, is that the virus is illegitimate as a control over us.
	We're not going to respond to these edicts any longer.
	All of this is like the inside job medical 9-11 is what it was, with an aid from an outside enemy.
	That's what this is.
	Okay, last question for you.
	You can skip this if you want, if it's too politically incorrect.
	We'll just delete this from the interview.
	But What do you think of Steve Pchenik?
	He's been a frequent guest with InfoWars and Pchenik, right after November 3rd, he said all the ballots were watermarked.
	It was a sting operation.
	And then I think later in early December, he said that Trump will win the electoral votes on December 14th.
	That didn't happen.
	But he says that Trump's got a victory plan.
	You know, Trump's got this wrapped up.
	It's going to happen.
	I mean, what do you make of that?
	Not just Pachenik himself, but even other people who sound similar.
	Well, I think it's very similar to all the Q claims all these years.
	There's this mastermind plan.
	I don't think there was any kind of the plan.
	Trust the plan.
	The only real plan was to run the clock out on Trump and to get rid of him.
	The plan was the virus and the massive cheat and the massive sucking sound of middle America losing all their wealth.
	That was the plan.
	So I don't buy it.
	I think there have been some White House that have been doing what they can to try to get to Trump.
	It's kind of like Horton Hears of Who, though.
	We're all shouting, trying to get to him, and he's got gatekeepers all around him that are in his ear and muffling out what you're trying to say.
	So I don't think it's any master plan.
	I really don't.
	Well, but if, I mean, just devil's advocate on that, if the enemy had a plan that they carried out, and it was quite an elaborate plan, couldn't the Patriots have a plan that is yet to be seen also?
	Yeah, I mean, I guess it's theoretically possible, but I don't see it.
	I really don't.
	So that's what the weird thing about Linwood saying that Barr is going to be exonerated as a great patriot because he's going to be out there doing some kind of secret work after he leaves office.
	Well, in what period of time?
	Between December 24th and January 20th, Barr's going to be out there with a secret freedom fighter.
	He's going to have a Batman suit on or something.
	What is he going to be doing?
	I just don't buy it.
	I think it's all wishful thinking.
	Like the whole, you know, John McCain is really alive.
	He's down in Guantanamo waiting for trial and all this stuff, you know.
	So I think there was some work done.
	To lay the groundwork for taking care of business, but that was stopped and stymied.
	There are some sealed indictments, but guess what's going to happen to those once Trump's out of office?
	Yeah, they're just going to vanish.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Well, Stuart, look, this has been a fascinating conversation, and you've given us a lot to think about here.
	And I want to offer you prayers and safety in your effort to defend this republic and all the people that are part of Oath Keepers.
	And thank you for coming on today.
	Likewise, brother.
	Likewise.
	Folks, you can support Oath Keepers with a tax-deductible contribution as well.
	Go to OathKeepers.org to find out about how you can do that.
	Remember, these guys are fighting for your republic in ways that seemingly no one else is doing.
	Certainly not in the Supreme Court.
	Oh, and by the way, Stuart, Lin Wood did tweet out That Justice Roberts is a traitor and that Roberts is tied to the Epstein pedophile ring.
	So Lin Wood tweeted that out earlier today.
	And that's probably accurate.
	I think that's probably accurate.
	Yeah.
	I'll explain a lot.
	So, yeah, absolutely.
	One thing I do want to tell people is that we, like in D.C. last weekend, we were part of the PSD detail for General Flynn.
	And we did that along with First Amendment Batarian Guard, another awesome group of guys, veterans.
	And we went out afterwards and protected Trump supporters in the streets.
	So we do this.
	We've been doing it for a long time.
	We're not just preparing for our worst case.
	We're also in the streets right now.
	And you can join Oath Keepers, even if you're not prior service.
	Go to OathKeepers.org.
	You can join.
	And we're all about getting you prepared to defend yourselves and each other in your communities.
	We want to revitalize the militia.
	And now's the time.
	A lot of folks went to sleep during Trump's administration.
	They thought everything was going to be fixed from the office of the presidency, and now they're realizing that didn't happen, and now it's going to be up to us.
	I encourage people to come together and become as strong as possible in their local communities.
	All right.
	Well said.
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