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May 3, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Andy Wakefield warns humanity about the coming wave of coronavirus vaccines
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Welcome everyone to Bright Town Conversations.
I'm Mike Adams, your host today, the founder of Brighton.com.
Today we're joined by Andrew Wakefield, a legend in the realm of health freedom and also vaccine science, understanding the risks that are associated with certain ingredients in certain vaccines, and also talking about vaccine technology, the mRNA platform, and what's being rolled out now in response to this and what's being rolled out now in response to this engineered global pandemic that was a deliberate act of warfare against humanity.
I believe I'm going to ask Dr. Wakefield about that.
He joins us today to talk about all of this.
One of his websites is 1986theact.com, which has a very compelling documentary about what happened in 1986 when the vaccine industry was granted legal immunity against their faulty products that are harming and in some cases killing, over time, millions of children all which has a very compelling documentary about what happened in 1986 when the vaccine industry was granted legal So, Andrew Wakefield joins us now to talk about this in more detail.
Andrew, Andy, I should call you, a more friendly nomenclature there.
Andy, it's great to have you on.
Welcome.
You are a hero of so many of us.
It's great to talk with you again.
Mike, it's great.
You and I go back a long way, and it's just wonderful to be on the show again.
Well, thank you again for joining me.
Let's start with the big news right now, which is that these coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer and AstraZeneca and Moderna appear to be...
Well, it appears that they've been mass manufactured before they were ever approved.
So can you speak to that first?
Why are they mass manufacturing before there's any approval taking place?
Well, actually, it wasn't that extraordinary that the market, that the deals had already been signed, the orders had been placed.
Before there was any approval, before there was even adequate safety data, which we will never have.
We will never have adequate safety data on these.
And even more alarmingly, we saw the vaccines producing serious neurological adverse reactions, transverse myelitis, multiple sclerosis, and yet they were allowed to continue.
And my prediction for this, Mike, based upon All the work I've done over the years and the latest film, 1986, The Act, is that these vaccines will have at most a six-month lifespan before it becomes so abundantly clear that they are harming, that they will be stopped.
And I think I agree with you.
I listened to you on a show the other day where you said these adverse reactions will be ascribed to the disease, to COVID, not to the vaccine.
But I do think that the The spectrum of injury caused by the vaccines will be different from that of COVID itself, and therefore they will stand out, and they'll be largely neurological and autoimmune.
So I think that what we're going to see is rather like the...
The swine flu vaccine of 1976 for a fake pandemic, a clear mistake by the CDC. We are going to see a vaccine with a limited lifespan that is going to hurt Well, two questions immediately arise from what you just said.
First of all, under emergency authorization, at least under US law and regulations, doesn't this, in a way, allow a much larger number of injuries to take place before there is sufficient scrutiny that might revoke the vaccine?
In other words, when the medical establishment claims that there are no other therapeutics that are functional, which is a lie, of course, there's hydroxychloroquine and other things, But when they have that claim, then the vaccine itself doesn't even have to go through the more rigorous long-term trials, for one thing.
The emergency approval allows the vaccine company to create a faulty product that injures or kills more people than would otherwise be the case under normal approval processes, correct?
Absolutely.
And what we're going to see is an accumulation of a large number of deaths and injuries and to the point where it becomes self-evident.
So what will be the turning point in this, I think, is shows like yours bringing attention.
To the fact, it certainly won't happen in the mainstream media to anything like the same extent, but it will happen in the alternative media where people not only experience injuries themselves or in their families or in their communities, but they then go searching for sources such as yours which bring them the truth about the vaccine injury.
And yes, that will lead to a totally unnecessary delay in the acknowledgement of the injury, but I think ultimately...
From the ground up, people are going to just vote with their feet and say, enough is enough.
But then the second question on that is, how would the general public even become aware of these injuries, given that sites like mine, I was among the very first to be completely blacklisted by Google and YouTube and all the platforms.
Why I had to build my own platform is like this one.
But...
It seems like the powers that be can cover up the injuries for quite a long time, especially with Facebook now saying that they are going to self-anoint as the vaccine authority.
Now, no doubt with input from the WHO, United Nations, and probably Bill Gates as well, but you're not allowed to say that somebody was injured by the vaccine.
And what's happening now, and autism is an example of this, is that they denied and denied and denied and continue to deny that autism is a consequence of vaccination.
But now it becomes so self-evident.
So many children are damaged.
The numbers are so great that it starts to impact people.
The school budgets.
They can't have classes for excellence.
They can't have sports programs.
So much money is now being devoted to the creation, not just of classrooms for children with autism and other developmental disorders, but schools, actual schools, to cope with these individuals.
And so it has now pervaded communities that they have been lied to, that there is a problem.
And this is why we're winning.
And this is a really important point, Mike, is that you know from that recent World Health Organization meeting, they're saying, how are these anti-vaxxers so effective?
Why are they gaining such traction?
They must have huge funding.
They must be incredibly well organized.
No.
We have the truth on our side, but more importantly, there is a tragic level of injury that is pervading communities and people are American people aren't stupid.
They know what's going on.
And now the tide is turning against vaccination.
And I think what we're seeing with COVID is a Hail Mary pass, quite apart from everything else that's going on.
And let me just characterize that, if I may, Mike.
Vaccines are failing.
Vaccines are failing across the board.
They were always going to fail, but it is now tangible that they are failing.
So what we see is polio, for example, hailed as a success, the eradication of polio.
No.
Polio is now back, and the vast majority of cases we're seeing in the developed world are a direct consequence of the vaccine itself, the oral polio vaccine.
You will never eradicate a disease that is caused by the agent that you put in place to get rid of that disease.
Measles has failed.
There are outbreaks of measles in highly vaccinated populations, and we're seeing the emergence of resistant strains of measles that are no longer immune to any of the immunity produced by the vaccines.
Mumps, a complete and utter failure for which Merck had to commit fraud to preserve their license and are now in federal court in Pennsylvania.
We saw experts in pertussis vaccine coming out recently saying that pertussis is back because we didn't understand how the human immune system interacts with pertussis.
We made assumptions upon assumptions, and we may have made some serious mistakes.
So across the board, vaccines are failing.
And because these are the lifeline for the pharmaceutical companies, this is their future is invested in vaccines.
I think that we're seeing in COVID-19, in the coronavirus, a Hail Mary pass.
They have got to get control.
Of the population once again.
They have got to corral us in and bend us to their will, or they will lose it all.
Now, quite apart from all of the other population control agendas, I think there is a major element of this on behalf of the public health authorities and the pharmaceutical companies, which is essentially a Hail Mary pass, and it will fail.
And surely some of the executives in the industry must be aware of the risks involved in rushing, especially this new platform, the mRNA platform, with side effects, adverse events that tend to be strongly associated with not just neurological effects, but also autoimmune effects.
And given the current health status of many members in the general public who are prone to hyper-inflammatory responses, for example, because they're not in good health.
They don't take vitamin D. They don't take care of themselves.
They eat a highly inflammatory diet.
When you add an mRNA response So many people might die or be
seriously injured.
Yes, it is.
And it's interesting that even those involved in the industry, commentators like Peter Hotez and Paul Offit, have come out and said, whoa, guys, there's so much at stake here.
If we get this wrong, we get it wrong.
And what it's rather like, Mike, it's like Jurassic Park that's about to escape the island.
That's how I would liken it.
Do you remember that scene at the beginning of Jurassic Park where they're in the laboratory and Sam Mendes picks up this thing and he said, oh my god, he said, you bred a velociraptor.
And the scientist says, don't worry, they're all female, they can't reproduce.
Jeff Goldblum leans in and he says, you don't understand, life will find a way.
And that is what is going to happen, life will find a way.
And there will be a lot of problems with this completely untested, completely unknown, but highly dangerous situation.
I mean, it's rather like the gain-of-function studies that led to this problem in the first place, that was stopped in America, that were then offshored to Wuhan, that we should not be dabbling in this kind of thing, because nature will exact a huge price, and it may not do so immediately, but it will do so.
You bring up so many important points that the very same industry that now promises to save us from this pandemic is the industry that created it.
And it got loose from their laboratory, the Wuhan Virology Institute, I believe.
It got loose either deliberately or accidentally.
Different theories.
I think it was deliberate.
But nevertheless...
It got loose.
It replicated all around the world.
And now they claim to be our saviors.
It makes you wonder, too, with the amount of power that they have asserted due to this emergency.
And I'm talking about the governors asserting lockdowns and asserting the right to determine whether you are allowed to even walk around on a public sidewalk without wearing a mask.
I think the governor of Maryland has said you have no constitutional right to walk around without a mask.
There is one doctor saying that people who don't wear masks are, quote, enemy combatants.
Now, using wartime language, that's very disturbing.
They have gained so much power from this.
Isn't it now?
Haven't the people that built this, haven't they been rewarded to such an extent that they have to be thinking, let's do it again?
Well, that's exactly it, Mike.
And over the years, when I was in mainstream medicine, I dealt with a lot of people from the industry.
And it comes back to a point you just raised.
Are they not in danger of putting themselves out of business?
What you will understand, I'm quite sure, is the industry executives don't care.
They're not concerned with the longevity of Pfizer or Merck.
What they're concerned about is their bonus.
And I'll give you an example.
The scientist who was in charge of vaccines at Merck, who was responsible for the fraud with the mumps vaccine, he's no longer at Merck.
He's not liable.
He's moved on to another highly paid job.
I think, in fact, he's at Pfizer or Eli Lilly.
But the point of that is they are only concerned with the short term.
And what they know is that they have a massive market for an untested product for which they have no liability.
And therefore, all they can do is make a profit.
They will make their returns and they can get out.
And they don't care whether Pfizer survived this or not.
They don't care whether they're found to have committed fraud and therefore are somehow liable for damages.
So it's a very worrying situation.
The other thing I want to tell you, Mike, which is a story you will interest to, is that from the very beginning, And I concur with you completely.
I thought this was an escapee from the Wuhan lab.
And the reason that I came to that conclusion from the very outset was that years ago, when we were dealing with Brian Deere in London, the journalist from the Sunday Times, who was sort of put upon me by Rupert Murdoch, We were working with an ex-MI5 operative who was an expert in hacking computers.
He could hack anything at any time, anywhere.
He was a kind of super geek, and he He came to us one morning.
He left MI5. He came to us and he said, I've been doing what I do on computers.
And this SARS, this respiratory virus that's just come out of the Far East, which was another coronavirus, it came about because there was an earthquake that damaged or destroyed a bioweapons facility in central China.
And then he got contacted by his minder.
All of these operatives have minders, and the way in which you hack is a kind of signature for the person who does the hacking.
And so your minder knows when you're up to no good.
And he called him immediately.
The minder called him and said, you're going to forget what you just read, and you're not going to mention this to anyone.
And so that got buried.
But as soon as I heard this story about the Wuhan lab and the market and all that kind of nonsense...
I thought, here we go again.
Same thing.
And it turns out very much to be true that this was, as you say, whether it got out deliberately or by mistake, this was a manufactured situation.
And the scientists that led to this being stopped in America pointed out exactly what you pointed out, is that if you do this kind of thing, it will result in catastrophe.
Because you cannot contain these viruses.
They will get out.
By hook or by crook, they will get out.
And that's exactly what has happened.
And in addition to the COVID catastrophe itself, the SARS-CoV-2, we'll call it, the coronavirus catastrophe, then we have layered upon that the human-engineered catastrophe, where the businesses are being shut down by governors, and much of that seems entirely unnecessary at this point.
It's as if the virus simply gave them the excuse to weaponize their own policies against local human economies.
At this point, given that it appears this virus has become less lethal over time, perhaps, in fact, I'd like to ask you whether you think some of the gain of function has been lost.
But the first question is, is the human response to coronavirus now more dangerous than the virus itself?
Absolutely.
Is the damage that's being done and going to be done to mankind much greater than the virus itself?
Yes.
If we look at the Swedish experience and we look at the countries that did not lock down, Sweden was a fascinating example of You look at the mortality curves from this virus called the Gompertz curves, and mortality is clearly the most important thing to look at.
It's dichotomous.
You live or you die.
It's not like it's a variable that quantifies it was a mild infection, moderate infection, severe, which is all terribly woolly.
Death is a very firm endpoint.
Well, not to Democrats.
Not to the Democrats.
You look at the Gompertz curves for Sweden and every other country, they're exactly the same.
We know lockdown masks made no difference to those at all, except, let me put it this way, and this comes back to the example of antibiotics and multi-resistant bacteria.
When you take an antibiotic which is imperfect against an infection, kills 95, 96, 97% of the bacteria, but leaves a certain percentage that are then resistant to that antibiotic, what you do with that imperfect antibiotic therapy is to encourage the emergence of resistant strains.
Now, have we got into a similar situation where these imperfect These incomplete techniques of flattening the curve but spreading the disease out, have those techniques such as masks and social distancing, have they simply had the effect of putting genetic selection pressure on the virus to mutate?
With the emergence of new strains which are not going to be susceptible to their vaccine.
That's a very valid question.
And I say that because the mortality in America where these policies have been put in place compared to Sweden, the mortality is actually, the last reading I had, was higher in America than it was in Sweden.
So Sweden has acquired...
Natural herd immunity has allowed the virus to run rampant.
It's done its thing.
There was no genetic selection pressure on the virus to mutate, and it's run its course.
That is not the case in countries like America.
Well, that is really fascinating and you're absolutely right.
The selection pressures respond to the human engineered construct during or in which the virus is replicating from host to host.
And that actually leads me to a question I want to ask you about New York in April of this year.
You know, after the big explosion in Italy and then New York City, This was the hub of at least officially recorded deaths in the United States, and we saw quite a spike in, again, officially reported deaths from the end of March, peaking at about April 14th or so.
Since then, the fatality rate, at least of those who are confirmed to have been infected, has really plummeted across the nation.
But...
Well, two questions to you.
Number one, do you believe that those deaths were real and really happening in New York City?
Because I was reporting that at the time, and I couldn't imagine all these doctors and nurses faking it or anything.
But then secondly, why, if you believe that, so why didn't we see that same explosion in other cities subsequent to that time?
I'm curious.
And I'm questioning myself on this as well, by the way.
It's not a trap of a question.
Right.
I think that there are so many things that play into this, from The policy of the mayor, or was it the governor or both, to allow people in recovery, but still potentially infectious, to go back to old people's homes and infect those who were there and spread the disease and cause disease.
Higher mortality, clearly, in those susceptible groups.
That's one thing that plays into it.
The other is misascribing mortality to COVID when, in fact, it's due to something else, whether it's a comorbid condition, whether the disease itself, COVID-19, was just incidental and didn't play a role in death.
And these things we'll never know because the data, as you know, is so appalling, so mixed up, so deliberately contaminated that it is represented by the authorities in a way that is designed to terrify us most, make us comply as much as they can, but with very, very little regard for the truth.
Then, you know...
Then we have Nurse Erin.
I don't know whether you've had Nurse Erin on your show, but she was a nurse who went from Florida up to New York to offer her services in a hospital there to help out.
And she said the policies there were appalling.
People were brought into the hospital and put on floors that were reserved for people who were positive and infectious when they were negative themselves.
And so they were willfully exposed to the active infection, and that sort of policy may well have increased the mortality rate as well.
So a number of things played out in New York, which you're absolutely right.
The mortality rate there was vastly in excess of the great majority of states and certainly in excess of those states that did not have draconian lockdown policies and masks.
Well, in the aftermath of that and now looking at what's happened with this election where and I know this hasn't been your focus, but I've been interviewing a lot of a lot of people on this and it's clear that it was there was cyber warfare treason committed against this country to steal the election.
And that was only enabled by the mail-in ballots, which were enabled by the lockdowns, which was enabled by the hyping up of of this coronavirus pandemic.
That is, when I say hyping up, what I mean is an attempt to increase the number of people really dying from it.
So in retrospect, and I'm not attributing this to you, but my own conclusion is that Governor Cuomo is so evil that I believe he intentionally had people killed by COVID so they could cause more panic and push for nationwide lockdowns that would allow them to have mail-in ballots.
I mean, it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at what we've learned this year alone.
Look at how evil these people are.
Why would you put vulnerable populations together with people who are known to be infected?
Why would you do that unless you're trying to kill them?
I agree with you entirely.
I can think of no other explanation than it was intentional, it was deliberate, it was done knowingly and with potential malice of forethought.
And I have witnessed what we've witnessed.
And I've been an observer on American politics for a long time now.
Mike, without being able to participate, and this was the first time I was able to participate, so I had no particular allegiance or affiliation, but it has become abundantly clear that for whatever reason, the Democrats will do anything.
Anything to stop President Trump getting a second term.
Now, my big issue, I'm a single-issue voter, and health freedom is that issue.
And there was a clear dichotomy between the Democrats and the Republicans, that the Democrats, you know, Joe Biden said, when I get into the White House, there will be a complete lockdown of this country until we have all taken our mandatory vaccination against COVID. And President Trump said, this vaccine won't be for everybody.
It'll be for those who want it.
I'm not going to make it mandatory.
And I'm very glad to say that here in Florida and in Texas, the governor has come out and said that this vaccine will not be mandatory.
You raised the point earlier, Mike, that the people in line for this vaccine first off will be those healthcare workers, doctors, nurses in what has been called the front line.
They won't touch it.
I can promise you, Mike, based on the experience of the swine flu vaccine in 2000, they will be the first to say actually no.
I'll wait until many, many more people have had it and we've determined the safety because I know from my professional training that this has not been through adequate safety studies, that the risks are completely unknown, and I refuse to be an experimental animal, in effect, for this vaccine.
And so they will face a big, big problem with compliance from amongst the healthcare workers.
And then the people are going to say, well, hang on, if it's not good enough for them, It's most certainly not good enough for me.
So they have created for themselves an enormous problem.
And so much hangs on this.
The future of vaccination, the future of trust from the public in the public health authorities hangs on this.
So much depends on this.
It's almost become too big to fail, but fail it will.
But now, even when governments are not necessarily going to make it mandatory, as you mentioned, governors of Texas and Florida and many other states, and the president himself says it should be a choice, not mandated.
And I also have that confirmed from one of his family members that has told me the same thing, that Trump is not going to mandate vaccines at that level.
But we have corporations Mandating them in the same way that we have corporations such as big tech companies that have decided they alone control your right to speak or to share information, your right to participate based on your point of view.
We have airlines like Qantas, of course, announcing that international flights would require mandatory vaccines.
And there's been talk that this this kind of policy would be adopted by other airlines.
So if you wish to fly, you have to prove that you've been vaccinated.
Well, we've seen other documents and plans where they plan to roll out vaccine enforcement checkpoints at grocery stores and churches and daycare centers and no doubt many other elements of society so that they would make it, even without a mandate is my point, they would make it impossible to buy food, to worship at your church, to go to a sporting event, to visit your Parent in a nursing home, unless you have consented to the vaccine.
So it's kind of a workaround mandate.
It's very evil.
But that's what's happening now.
How do we stop that?
I think there are two things, Mike.
One is that...
If those frontline workers and the elderly and the obese and people with comorbidities are lined up to get this vaccine, it's in whom?
It's in them that we are going to see severe adverse reactions, and that will be the demise of the vaccine.
It's a tragic way to have to learn a very, very bad lesson, but that's the way it's going to be.
The second is, some years ago, Mike, when I was on your show, you There was a big discussion about arms, guns, the Second Amendment, removing arms from people.
And I said to you, you asked me a question about them.
I said, Mike, I'm from Europe.
We don't have guns.
It's not part of my body image.
I didn't grow up with it.
So I'm not the best person to arm.
I now understand why America has a Second Amendment.
And to protect itself from exactly this kind of tyranny.
That is why there is a Second Amendment.
And so much of this was anticipated.
So much of where we are now was anticipated by those who wrote the Constitution, by those who wrote the amendments, by the founding fathers of this country.
It's extraordinary how prescient they were.
And I came to this country effectively in professional and political exile to continue the work in health freedom and to investigate it.
I refuse to concede.
I refuse to have all of the reasons that I came to this country, the great things about this country, to be threatened, to be compromised, to be removed by pharmaceutical industry profiteering and by the agenda of globalists who see the natural history of America coming to an end.
Well, since you brought it up, and I thank you for doing so, I've openly talked about mandatory vaccines as a form of violent assault.
It's medical violence against you.
Violence doesn't have to be with a baseball bat.
Violence can be at the cellular level or even the genetic level.
Those are forms of violence.
And almost as an experiment, by the way, I've publicly and repeatedly stated openly that That if some officials show up at my doorstep, they would have to trespass very far into my ranch to do that, by the way.
And if they demand that I submit to contact tracing or submit to a vaccine, I will shoot them.
And I've said this publicly over and over again, and guess what?
No one has tried to arrest me for saying such things.
No one has bothered.
Maybe because this is Texas, and they know I'm not alone.
But it's not that we're advocating to go out and look for opportunities to commit the violence.
We want to stop the violence, but we also want to stop it at our doorstep.
And, you know, assault with a vaccine is a felony assault, and at least in the state of Texas and in Florida also, every individual has the right of self-defense, even through the use of kinetic instruments, firearms, in order to stop a felony crime from being committed against you.
Regardless of whether there's an emergency, I have the right to defend my body against your needle.
And I assert that right, and I assert it probably with an AR-15, by the way.
So, you know, that's true.
Yes, I think that none of this is to say that, you know, if people want to have the vaccine, if they've distilled all the information and they're prepared to go along with it, that's their choice.
Exactly.
If you are happy with it, go with it.
But accept the consequence.
Accept the consequence.
Don't come complaining afterwards when it's too late.
And for those who don't want it, they should not ever, under any circumstances, have to have it.
Well, well said.
It's a basic human principle, isn't it?
That you own your body.
And because you own your body, you therefore have the right to say no to government intervention of your body.
And you care for your children.
You are there to care for your children.
You have this extraordinary law in Virginia that they're trying to put through now.
They may even have got it through to take away the need for a child of 11 to ask parents permission to be vaccinated.
You talk about destruction of the family unit in America.
People bemoan the damage being done to the disintegration of the family unit.
And here you have the government actually deliberately encouraging that.
Don't tell your parents.
Keep it a secret.
Insurance companies don't have to.
They can they can manipulate.
They can corrupt the documents that your of your child's health care providers.
So that they don't the parents aren't aware.
They don't have access to the information about what their child has been given.
This is absolutely extraordinary.
And the next thing that will be is that if you have your full course of human papillomavirus vaccine, you'll get a free iPad.
Or you'll get this, or you'll get that.
Bribery will come into it, and children are going to be incredibly susceptible to that kind of thing, because they're not able to assess the risks and benefits, and they won't even be told what the risks and benefits are.
It's absolutely disgraceful to see this kind of thing happening.
Well, and it's also part of the blueprint of what globalists are doing.
You notice how they roll out children as champions to try to convince people to follow their globalist agendas, such as Greta Thunberg on the global warming topic, or David Hogg on gun control, and there are probably many other examples.
I remember they're trying to use the children of certain pharmaceutical executives As actors, essentially, to claim that, oh, if your parents don't want you to be vaccinated as a child, your parents are abusive to you.
So they're using children Because of the aura of innocence to try to persuade people on issues that are very complex, very technical, and in many ways beyond the comprehension of even modern-day scientists and physicians.
You know, the human body is an incredibly complex system that no one person can fully grasp.
So children are just to bypass logic.
And then the abuse of these children, these 11-year-olds, to say, oh, you can submit to these vaccines legally, we don't need your parental consent, and then don't tell your parents that you were vaccinated.
That's what they're doing.
It's really insidious.
In the movie, 1986, we should have an example of Bobby Kennedy watching a screen with an HPV vaccine ad funded by Merck, and there is this kid saying, Mom, Dad, you know, Maybe you didn't know, but now you do, and you can protect me and save me for this.
Absolutely, the manipulation is appalling.
And one of the big problems in this country has been the FDA allowing The pharmaceutical companies to advertise direct to consumer.
Because what that's happened, it only happens in two countries in the world, as you know, Mike.
That's New Zealand and this country.
But what it's meant is that the income to the nightly news network, 70% to 80% of that income per annum in a non-election year, comes from pharmaceutical industry ads.
And I don't even believe they advertise to sell the drugs.
Because when you hear the list of side effects, you're thinking, this is crazy.
Why would I want a drug That makes me confused when I have Alzheimer's.
I think they do it, Mike, because what it does is it buys them the headlines.
The nightly news networks become dependent on that income for their lifestyle.
They need it to survive.
Very smart move by the pharmaceutical companies.
They now own the headlines.
And I did an interview way back with...
With Cheryl Atkinson, and she said to me, when she was still at CBS, and she said, Andy, when they edit this interview, I will get a call within 15 minutes from upstairs, the money men, and they will say, we have to cut this segment because otherwise our sponsors have said they will remove their sponsorship and their advertising, so it's got to go.
She was wrong, Mike.
She was wrong.
It was five minutes.
It took five minutes.
And that's why she left, in large part, because she was not allowed to report the news.
Well, and now, see, it's getting even worse than just that kind of influence and control by Big Pharma.
We now have information that the United Kingdom will use its cyber warfare intelligence apparatus in order to take down websites such as Mercola.com.
In fact, Dr.
Mercola put out an article on this.
No doubt I'm going to be targeted.
You will be targeted.
As if we were enemy combatants and they will try to silence us and discredit us even more than they've tried to do so already.
And they may try to criminalize this.
And that's where this is going is that it looks like they're leaning toward declaring people like you and I and Mercola as enemy combatants who are designated a threat to national security.
And under that construct, then they can arrest you, lock you away, or they can attempt to.
I am armed, so they're going to have to bring people with them.
Welcome to Texas!
AR-15s are only the smallest caliber that we shoot around here, by the way.
But they will do everything they can to destroy us.
So now the government is weaponizing its intelligence apparatus against the truth about vaccines.
There's a question I was going to ask you, which is interesting.
The way in which these things play out, the way, for example, they played out in the downfall of the Soviet Empire.
I don't know if you remember, there was an extraordinary scene where there was a counter-coup by the Politburo.
They were in the Kremlin.
The Kremlin was surrounded by a tank regiment, and the tank regiment was there to protect the Politburo.
Who were trying to mount this counter coup.
Boris Yeltsin, I remember a scene, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but him climbing onto the tank of the commander with a Russian flag.
And in that moment, in no more than a few minutes, the history of the world changed.
That commander could have taken a gun and he could have shot Boris Yeltsin through the head.
And the outcome would have been different.
Or he could have said, the tank is yours.
It's over.
We're joining you.
And that's what he did.
And that was the end of it.
And it was an extraordinary moment.
And it just hinged on Yeltsin getting up onto that tank and the commander making a choice, making a decision.
It all hinged on that moment.
But how do you think...
Given the way that we feel this might play out, where will the military stand on this?
My instinct tells me that the military, certainly the vast majority of the military, are patriots, that they would tend to stand with Where does that play out?
Because as you point out, in England, they're recruiting the military, certainly military intelligence, to play a role in surveilling people like you and I. But how will that go down in America?
Well, this is where politics intertwines with health freedom, and they are inescapably intertwined here.
But in my assessment, there's been a great awakening among military personnel, many of whom I count as my friends and colleagues and former trainers and so on.
And so I am in touch with people in that realm a lot.
They are loyal to Trump, even if Trump is not in the White House in the second term.
And they are loyal to the Constitution, except for the higher level generals that are still left over from when Obama put them into place.
But the everyday people, the mid-level people and the frontline soldiers, they are not going to agree to be used as weapons of the vaccine industry.
They will disobey orders, I believe, if they're ordered to go start arresting doctors and journalists and people just because of what they've said about vaccines.
But the way the deep state normally runs this, though, is they will escalate the perception of you.
They will paint you as a terrorist or they will set up something that they can blame you and then say, oh, you bombed the CDC building or something, even though they did it, obviously, because you and I don't we don't bomb buildings.
We just don't do that.
I don't even know how to do that.
But they will usually have some kind of escalation to discredit you, and then that's the story that they will tell the soldiers.
So that's always a possibility.
And this is why, by the way, I think it's important for you and I to be as public as possible so that people know us and know our beliefs and our philosophy, what we really stand for.
And you'd be amazed when I meet...
Groups of military people, you'd be amazed how many people say, oh, you're Mike Adams.
I listen to you.
We listen to you on deployment.
You know, we download your podcast.
It's incredibly widespread.
And even in Texas, you know, emergency response personnel are circulating a lot of my podcasts recently.
And I'm sure the same is true for you.
People follow you that you never would have imagined.
Trust me, it's happening.
Well, I'm very glad to hear that.
I think that I'd love this film to get out far and wide because it really, when we finished doing the production on the film, Mike, we finished filming our actors, we never would have heard of COVID-19.
And then suddenly it blew up.
And it was so relevant because it allowed you to look into the past, the history of vaccination policy from government, from companies, from the public, and to see how badly wrong they've got it in every single case.
Every single case.
And that allows you to look forward into the crystal ball of where we're going with this coronavirus and say, actually, this isn't for me.
Based upon past experience, based upon the corruption and the incompetence, I'm not going to buy into this narrative and I'm not going to go along with it.
And so it's extremely important from that perspective.
Allow me to change topics here because I've got a couple other questions for you on some different things, although this has already been very fascinating, Andy.
But one of the things that we encounter in independent media is there are a broad range of opinions or views on even the germ theory itself.
And I'm not going to name any names.
I'm not here to shame anybody.
But I want your opinion on this.
When we hear and there are some prominent people saying now that there's no such thing as a virus or that there's no such thing as a virus that can infect a human being or that there's no way to detect a virus and things like that, that that really run counter to the training of doctors like yourself or laboratory scientists like myself and so on.
How do we navigate these things?
What's your take on where that's coming from and is that affecting the public debate about all of this?
What are your thoughts on that?
It's very interesting that it should be raised and it should be entertained.
It's, you know, that the idea that, and this really came from Louis Pasteur.
Louis Pasteur's germ theory that germs were everything and that they were the source of all contagion and bacteria were enemies that should be destroyed.
This It has changed dramatically.
And Lamarck and people like that at the time said, no, no, no.
It's the terrain being the state of the human being, the state of the human being's immune system, their ability to resist infection.
And the germ theory was essentially wrong in many respects.
And that is that bacteria were not the enemy.
We now know that our health is dependent upon an ecosystem, a bacterial ecosystem principally in our intestine and skin, which is responsible for our well-being, our health, our immune system, even our cognitive development, our our immune system, even our cognitive development, our brain development, and our thinking, our mood.
So we're learning a great deal about the role of the microbiome in health, its necessity for health.
So Pasteur was wrong and even to some extent conceded on his deathbed, apparently, that the terrain theory was right.
Now, it is not exclusively the terrain theory.
It is an interaction of the two.
And to dismiss the idea that they're infectious agents that can cause disease would be wrong, would be over-calling it.
It's a question of appreciating that there are merits to both sides of the argument.
But for example, Mike, I've studied measles now since 1990.
And measles is a very good prototypic RNA virus where it...
has unique gene sequences which characterize not only measles, but between different strains of measles that are uniquely different from human genetic material and are consistently reproducibly part of measles virus.
And all of the observations of transmissibility and natural herd immunity, all of these tell us that, yes, these are infectious agents.
I mean, you might ask, well, what about something, forget about humans, what about tobacco mosaic virus?
Here you have a virus of tobacco plants, which is not part of the tobacco plant defending itself or detoxifying itself.
It is a well-characterized virus that causes disease in tobacco plants.
And so I think to dismiss the idea that there are infectious agents that can cause harm and that it's just the body detoxifying itself, I don't buy into that.
I don't.
Go ahead.
Well, I thank you for addressing that because I notice there tends to be an oversimplification or almost a...
I don't know if zealotry is the right word, but you hear a lot of people who very passionately will say, there's no such thing as a virus.
The virus is...
Don't exist or can't function.
Of course, we know they're not living in the classic definition of a cell, but there is a mechanism.
There's proteins involved.
There's a binding mechanism, a molecular mechanism that has a cause and effect that over time replicates the virus.
It doesn't have to be alive to do that.
But The interesting good side of this is that many people are questioning now everything, their entire reality.
And that process, I would say, is a healthy process to ask big questions.
It's still critical to get correct answers.
But just as an example, you hear about the Flat Earth Theory, which, of course, I completely disagree with the Flat Earth Theory, but at least...
It shows that people are curious about the nature of the cosmos and are at least saying what is real, right?
That process itself is fascinating to me.
I was listening to your show the other day, and there were people on that show, sorry, the show that you were on.
And people were speaking extremely...
Knowledgeably about RNA viruses and ribosomes, and people are remarkably knowledgeable.
And COVID, the coronavirus experience, has caused many, many people to ask questions not just about The origins of infectious disease, the nature of viruses and bacteria, and the merits of vaccination.
But they really begin to understand these things, and that is such an extraordinary challenge to the authorities.
Because suddenly doctors are being presented, confronted by patients who say, no, actually, doc, I've read this paper and this paper and this paper, and it says that you don't know what you're talking about.
Of course, that's very, very difficult for Harvard-trained medical practitioners to deal with, but it's a fact.
And I used to say, when I was teaching medical students, which I loved, I would say to them, guys, half of what I tell you is going to be right, and half of it's going to be wrong.
The problem for me is I don't know which half is which.
And it's your job to confront my ideas and what I'm telling you and answer that question.
Which is right?
Which is wrong?
That's your job.
And so we must entertain dissent.
We must entertain debate.
We must entertain different opinions because we are...
Going up the tree of knowledge, and that is a tree that we're really just at the trunk at the moment.
Absolutely, and I would relate that there are many, many times in my laboratory, for example, when we were developing a method to quantitate glyphosate herbicide, and I would be sitting there with my staff chemist,
we're drawing on a whiteboard, and we're going through The molecule, how it's going to be ionized, and why we think the illusion time is going to be 3.5 minutes or whatever, why we think this is going to work, and the pH that we need for the mobile phase solvents and so on.
And we run it, even though we're 99% certain, we run it.
And the molecule doesn't behave like that at all.
Not at all.
The molecule just says, try again, dumbass, because you are totally wrong.
I can't tell you how many times I've encountered that.
And this is with accomplished organic chemists and scientists.
Sometimes we bring in outside people, PhDs, and they're wrong too.
They're wrong all the time.
And for these vaccine makers to say, we know how this is going to act.
We're going to take these mRNA strands with end caps and we're going to shove them into the body and then they're going to magically go into the cells and go right to the ribosomes and nowhere else and so on.
It's like, no, you're going to be humbled by what happens.
It's totally out of your control.
It is.
And you're putting it beyond your control as well.
And that's the important point you make, Mike, is that once you've injected this, there's no un-injecting it.
Once you've put this autonomously replicating messenger RNA into a cell that can allow it to produce protein within human cells, you have the situation where you can't switch that off necessarily.
There's nothing you can do to switch that off.
If that protein turns out to be analogous to some human protein that induces an autoimmune response, that's it.
Nothing you can do about that.
So it is utterly terrifying.
And it's this assumption upon assumption upon assumption.
I'll give an example.
Just again, back with measles virus.
What they did is they assumed that they could change the root injection rather than inspiration.
The age, the mean age of exposure, the strain, the dose, and they could combine it with any number of vaccines given at the same time.
They assumed that was going to be safe.
There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for that assumption.
It was completely unjustified.
But now, many, many years down the line, it's too late.
It's too late.
Well, this is the bottom line of where we are now, is that the entire human race is being treated as a grand medical experiment.
We are all guinea pigs.
And I would say, actually, with the lockdowns, we're all POWs in a giant prison camp.
Known as your city or even a country, the United States, wherever the lockdowns are.
And then they're going to say, you can't have mobility in society unless you agree to this other medical experiment.
And that's not going to be the last one of those either.
It's going to be, oh, six months later, COVID-21, need another vaccine for that.
And it's this business model and this model of tyranny and control and obedience that...
It never ends.
Why would they ever end it?
They wouldn't.
And you're quite right, but on this passport that we're all apparently going to have to travel internationally, which you and I will not be doing, it won't be just the COVID vaccines.
It will be measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, all of the vaccines that you might have had as a child or didn't have as a child, and now they're going to catch you up.
It will be all of them.
But I do believe that the market always wins, Mike.
And I think, you know, right now, the airlines are on their knees.
Financially, they're on their knees.
Yes, they are.
And if you say to them, we are going to limit your market further by you having a flight passport.
People can't get on your flights until you...
I used to fly a lot.
I flew all over the country with the film.
I flew to conferences.
I won't do that again.
American Airlines United made a fortune out of me or the sponsors of the conference.
That's not going to happen anymore because I am not going to get that vaccine.
And I don't care if I don't Go to these conferences if they have to be done virtually.
But what it will mean is that the financial pressures that the airlines are already under is going to finally push them over the edge and they will collapse.
And then they are going to find themselves bearing the brunt of the pharmaceutical industry's profiteering and public health policy.
Why are we going to the wall because of your policy?
Well, right.
And when did airlines decide that suddenly they had liability for someone's infectious disease?
Because people have flown with infectious diseases since the dawn of flight.
I mean, the Wright brothers probably had a cold at Kitty Hawk, you know?
This has been going on for a long, long time.
A hundred years, basically.
So, that's insane.
But the other thing is, you mentioned the free market, and I know we're getting close to the end of the interview here, so I won't go on too much, but...
I think there's going to be a thriving black market for counterfeit vaccine passport stamps or authorizations, you know, because who's going to be authorized to administer these vaccines?
Lots of people all over the country.
You know, pharmacists, maybe Maybe paramedics and EMTs, I don't know.
Are you going to be able to, in some cases, let's say someone hands them an extra $100 and says, you know, mark me down for the vaccine, but don't inject me with it or inject me with saline solution.
Is that going to happen?
You bet that's going to happen.
It's going to happen a lot.
People are very creative.
They will, where there's a market, they will...
We could do exactly that, Mike.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, it's a whole new revenue model for pharmacists.
So, like, you know, get your vaccine passport stamped here.
We're injecting saline solution on Saturday afternoons.
We're doubling the price.
It'll be twice as expensive, but you'll have your passport.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So, well, any final thoughts, Andy, because we've covered a lot of ground today, a lot of intriguing ideas here.
People are really going to give you some good feedback on this one.
What would you like to close with?
Well, I came to this country because of the freedoms that it offered, Mike.
I'm not about to give those up.
You're not about to give them up.
They are worth fighting for.
A lot of people have died for those freedoms.
A lot of people have suffered for those freedoms so that we can be free, so that our children can be free.
And we must not, under any circumstance, allow those to be squandered, particularly by a global agenda or by Profiteering from the pharmaceutical companies, whatever their motives.
And so I am a pathological optimist.
I believe that the American people have it in them to resist, to rise up, rather like the Europeans are doing at the moment, and to fight back.
And I believe that we will protect the Constitution.
We will protect what makes America great.
Well, you truly have the spirit of an American.
And I'm glad that you're here with us, fighting with us.
And I also want to say, just on a personal note, you are a hero of humanity.
And I've seen you that way for many, many years.
And I know people agree with me.
Your role is critical.
The work you're doing is absolutely essential.
History will paint you in a very kind light.
By the way, and I know that the modern age has been cruel to you and to myself and others, but we are fighting.
We are fighting for the future of humanity, and that future cannot exist without the truths that we are talking about being exposed.
So thank you so much for what you're doing for all of humanity.
And you, Mike.
Thank you so much.
Great to be on.
All right.
Take care.
And thank you for watching, folks.
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