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EPISODE 64: COLD FEET CROWDER (OCTOBER 24TH, 2018 - JUNE 21ST, 2021)

This week...we dive into the history of nicknames. Specifically one given to Steven Crowder with good reason. Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	We're going to do a little spicy.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast ladder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	Across from me on this glorious Sunday morning, currently praying, it's Dennis.
	I just ran a trail run five miles up and down a hill.
	Praying for your body, brother.
	Praying for my body to recover, my ankles to stop hurting.
	And our Lord and Savior.
	Our Lone Star brother in occupied Texas.
	Did you call your mom today?
	Jared?
	I texted her and I said, I gotta record and I'll call you after.
	It's Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers.
	Do you guys know the average spent in the U.S. on Mother's Day?
	Praise be to she.
	Very nice.
	Praise be to she.
	Do you know what the average is?
	Like, what people spend on their mothers for Mother's Day?
	Oh, no.
	I don't spend anything.
	U.S. average.
	Take a guess.
	Uh, $29.99.
	$70.
	$260 fucking dollars.
	Seriously?
	Yes.
	You know that people are going big.
	I said $70 because I did $70.
	Wow, I didn't do a dang thing for my poor mother.
	I'm going to message her until Happy Mother's Day.
	Clearly going to pop over there later.
	I'll send her a message on Messenger.
	Go have her make you dinner.
	Yes, Mother, please make me dinner.
	And we all know Stephen Crowder is the Big Ugly.
	Call me the Big Ugly one more time, I'm going to kick your ass.
	The nickname given to his character Doug in the Christian coming-of-age dramedy To Save a Life that we covered in Episode 7. But Steven, he has a different, equally fun nickname.
	No, it's not Vic Tom or the Milkman or Mr. Dipshit.
	I wish his name was Mr. Dipshit.
	Or even Comedian.
	We will be exploring its origin, this nickname, today because unfortunately we've been provided an opportunity.
	The left streaming industry, it's in a bit of conflict.
	Content nukes and context pukes.
	The largest names in progressive Twitch and YouTube commentary have declared civil war, or at least have chosen a side.
	If you're oblivious to this, Dennis is looking at me a little confused.
	I'm jealous.
	For the most part, as petty as I can be sometimes, I personally like to stay away from drama as much as possible.
	But the catalyst that initially brought these creators together actually was an elaborate embarrassment of Steven Crowder.
	And I can't wait to walk you all through it.
	A lot of moving parts here.
	Are we talking about Ken Bone?
	No.
	We're talking about a lot of guys.
	Ken Bone might have been there at some point.
	Sure.
	And we'll talk about it, Dennis, and I'll fill you in as much as possible after we take a second to thank some folks who are supporting us over at Shrug.club.
	Hello, Shrug Nation.
	You've entered the Shrug's race.
	That, of course, is the home for things too hot for the RSS feed.
	Double salutes, which we got another one of those in the can.
	Yeah, I heard about that.
	I wasn't there.
	Spoilers alert.
	Is that a spoiler?
	I don't know.
	Holy shit, Dennis wasn't there.
	Dennis wasn't there.
	We got Shrug Club exclusives, pics of Josh's belly.
	It's all for free.
	Always will be.
	But there are some folks who choose to support us with cash.
	Hold hard.
	I used to work at a gas station.
	That was a common thing.
	And let me tell you about how you actually don't want that.
	I don't think you do.
	We still appreciate it.
	Especially folks like Suzanne.
	Suzanne!
	What a nice Suzanne.
	Suzanne!
	You're the best fan in the world.
	Land was right there.
	Best fan in the land.
	What a piece of shit.
	I guess I was thinking the Weezer track, you know what I'm saying?
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Also, Troy L. Troy, nice.
	Troy, your favorite.
	Troy, not taking an L, taking a big W. Thank you.
	From here on out.
	You piece of shit.
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	Nice.
	Big ol' piece of shit.
	Yeah.
	So arguably one of the most consistent, level-headed voices in progressive media.
	Here's Morgan.
	Okay.
	Us?
	It's us.
	It's Sam Seder.
	Sam Seder.
	Oh, yeah.
	From the Majority Report, right?
	Of course, yeah.
	His Air America days to his current show on YouTube, the Majority Report, delightful daily news analysis.
	They've been doing it since 2010.
	Did you know that the Young Turks says that they're the biggest online news show or something like that?
	It might be based on collective But yeah, I saw Sam Cedar on Surrounded recently.
	That was good.
	Yeah, I was about to bring that up.
	They've done and continue to do some really incredible work at the majority report.
	And if people think they don't know who we're talking about, it is possible that they saw that Jubilee Surrounded episode.
	20 Trump supporters take on one progressive where he, amongst many micro-debates, talked with a xenophobic nationalist young woman.
	Yeah, I remember that vividly.
	Yeah, it went pretty viral.
	Caustic human being.
	Yeah, it was rough.
	But he did a wonderful job.
	Did you happen to catch Sam on Chapo this last week?
	Yeah, I didn't.
	That sounds like a lot of fun.
	Dang.
	They touched on the Jubilee video, and it's very interesting.
	Felix introduced the audience to the concept of the American stupids.
	It's very good.
	Oh, wow.
	I recommend it.
	I better stop the podcast now and go listen to it because that sounds really nice.
	Will you cut to some music?
	Yeah, we can play about two hours of music if you'd like.
	So we're actually going to start today with a clip from October 24th of 2018.
	This is Sam Seder on the Majority Report.
	A couple months ago, I don't know when it was.
	Four or five months ago, three or four months ago, I was invited to Politicon.
	And I am, you know, I am of a little ambivalent about that conference because it in many ways just makes politics about entertainment.
	And I mean, we do a show like that, but we try and maintain.
	We try and be entertaining, but we also try and deliver stuff that is meaningful.
	And to center a conference around political celebrities rather than, let's say, policy people or activists seems to me to be a little bit dubious.
	And I tend to agree with Sam.
	I mean, as much as I enjoy politics as entertainments, I think that it sits squarely secondary.
	Well, it becomes a thing where it's, you know, people tune in for things like drama and ugly stuff.
	Which is not what we're doing today, but it is kind of.
	We're doing it for a good reason.
	You familiar with Politicon?
	Nope, I'm not.
	So up until 2020, it was an annual supposedly nonpartisan political convention with the stated goal of bringing together Republicans, Democrats, and people of all political backgrounds to discuss and debate.
	Topical issues.
	In a lively and entertaining format.
	You know, I don't know who said this or if it was what they wanted to be.
	They've...
	Nice.
	Or the Coachella of politics.
	Dude, I'm going to cosplay as Rush Limbaugh.
	Well, that's actually kind of ripped.
	I think the Coachella of politics is more offensive to me, though.
	Sure.
	So Sam's about to point out a big truth about politics at this point in time regarding the growing influence of new media.
	And what was this point in time?
	2019?
	Okay.
	Yeah, 2018.
	Pardon me.
	Bring your brain back there, Dennis.
	And think about YouTube politics.
	I'm also aware of the space in which we operate and the reality of where we operate.
	And many people watch this show on YouTube.
	And frankly, the right is influencing a lot of young people.
	On this medium.
	And so my sense was, all right, well, maybe if I go, I can get into a debate with somebody and show some young people who are watching videos.
	I know a lot of like young people do that and this is where they get their political education and I did not want certain voices out there to have that whole space to themselves and present a perspective that is.
	Sam said, people like Stephen Crowder are big dummies and they're ruining the kids.
	I'm not going to fix it.
	Listen, I'm not going to say that it was this exact period of time where I was quote-unquote radicalized by the internet.
	I wasn't radicalized in the sense of falling into the beliefs of the content that I was taking in, but it's when I noticed it.
	I actually I remember I was watching a change my mind about gun control that popped up on my YouTube algorithm once.
	That was my first introduction to Steven Crowder.
	There's also this point where I was tuning in daily to Ben Shapiro to see what the right was up to.
	Of course, there was the intellectual dark web, Dave Rubin, even folks like Gavin McGinnis still had a presence.
	for much longer but Milo Yiannopoulos oh yeah it was a very unique period in time where I could rattle off a list of conservative media folks but And I was unable to do the same thing with the left.
	Was this before or after the Dr. Pepper thing with Stephen?
	After?
	Dr. Pepper thinks it was after.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he was established.
	And we will talk about that at some point.
	Someday.
	Keep teasing it.
	But it's really wise of Sam at this period in 2019 to recognize that there wasn't as loud of a voice on the left and that the influence of the right was growing.
	Sure, yeah.
	We still don't really have that, you know?
	When you think about the voice of the left, like, There's a lot.
	Yeah, I feel like it's like him and it's Hassan, and I feel like that's...
	Pac-Man's doing a great job.
	Yeah, Pac-Man.
	But what's his audience like?
	Is his, like, I guess I see him.
	I think we're approaching 2 million or crack 2 million.
	Three million?
	Yeah.
	He's, like, skyrocketing.
	He hit two million, like, a few months back, and then he got three million.
	A sane and nice voice on the left, certainly.
	See, but it's a different thing.
	They're conversing in a different way.
	They're not talking in hyperbole, really.
	They're not lying to themselves over and over.
	And the balance of entertainments and fact is a little bit different.
	And I also think that on the internet you end up with people like...
	You see that happen a lot.
	You know, influencers, political influencers on the left will like, you know, call out dumb little things that do a disservice to the movement.
	Debatably, some things are dumber than others.
	And that's kind of what influenced me digging into this episode today is the kind of active conflict that's going on between, you know, folks like Ethan Klein or Hassan Piker and everyone tangentially related.
	Mr. Beast and Troy.
	Excuse me?
	Mr. Beast and Theo Vaughn.
	Is Mr. Beast on Theo Vaughn?
	I saw them talking.
	Wow, that's exciting stuff.
	Yeah, my ear is leaking.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, fuck, it's my brain!
	Let's go back to a safe place.
	There was a crop of young people, folks like the Intellectual Dark Web and all those other names I mentioned.
	They're trying to find their audience, and it's growing quickly.
	So Sam is trying to meet this crop where they are, you know, on YouTube.
	So he dressed up.
	He cosplayed as Matt Walsh at Politicon.
	That'd be kind of cool.
	Maybe Politicon would be a good idea, you know?
	Sure.
	And so when they asked me if I would come, I said, yeah, I will if I can debate someone.
	And I was trying to think about who I would want to debate.
	And the first thing that I, the first requirement was like, I want them to have a YouTube following.
	Because that means that their status is, you know, very largely supported by audiences.
	And I want to reach their audience.
	Now, of course, I threw out Dave Rubin, and I was told that he's not coming.
	Which was a smart move.
	Competition would start kicking in.
	Right.
	Competition would start kicking in.
	And there was other, I think at one point they said, what about Milo Yonanopoulos?
	It was one of the first people they wanted to hook me up.
	And I was like, no, why would I debate this guy?
	No one cares about him anymore.
	No one watches him.
	I'll debate him for Politicon 2016.
	Exactly.
	I didn't know there was another person on this clip.
	And when I heard the laughter, I thought I was having a stroke.
	I should give you a trigger warning.
	There's going to be more than one person, Dennis.
	Just so you know.
	That's not Jared's laugh.
	But yeah, so he wanted to debate.
	David Portnoy or whatever?
	No, it's Dave Rubin.
	Okay, yeah.
	But he's looking for someone with an audience that he can potentially connect with.
	If you're going to debate, that should be one of your goals, is take the audience of your opponent and potentially convince them.
	You're not going to change the mind of the person you're debating.
	Of course.
	You're going to change the mind of the people who listen to that person, which if that's who you want to reach in, that's who you want to reach.
	But also, if you have a YouTube channel, your business is people watching it.
	Yeah.
	So, super important, yeah.
	So after some thought, Sam landed on his preferred sparring partner.
	And so we went over a couple of people, and we finally realized, like, oh, Stephen Crowder.
	He does that thing where he goes to colleges and makes college students look bad because they don't know, supposedly, what he knows in terms of politics.
	And so I said, Crowder, and the people were like, great!
	Stephen's interested in a debate.
	And it all looked good.
	And then at one point, they're writing me back and they're not mentioning Crowder anymore.
	And I was like, hey, what's going on with the debate with Crowder?
	What day is that going to be?
	And they said, can we have a phone call with you?
	It's never good when someone wants to hop on the phone with you.
	Let's take this off on.
	Sam, that's really cool.
	I'm gonna have you pop on with my Okay.
	No, no.
	This is Politicon.
	This isn't Papa Crowder.
	Couldn't you see Steve handing the phone over to Dad?
	Well, this is going to be really fun for you guys.
	To go through this phone call, we jump a year forward, as Sam decided at that point it would be good to air this.
	October 24th, 2019.
	Did he never go to Politicon?
	He did not.
	And they will explain.
	When the person said, can we get on the phone?
	I was like, okay, but that's weird.
	And I'm in a one-party state.
	So, because I had anticipated that something was going to go sideways.
	That's the Jay Varma excuse.
	Yeah.
	And here is that exchange.
	Things are moving along.
	I was literally just building your proposed schedule panel.
	Oh, great.
	I know.
	It's very exciting stuff, but you'll have all of that soon.
	I did want to talk to you about the debate.
	Okay.
	So, it seems that Steven Crowder has maybe gotten some cold feet.
	Okay.
	And feeling a little intimidated, so I don't think he's coming.
	He's not even going to come?
	Right.
	Why is that?
	Pause it.
	Now, I want people to understand that this is just this lady's assessment.
	She's not inside Steven Crowder's head.
	The fact that he got cold feet because he felt a little intimidated, that's just her assessment.
	I want to be fair here.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	It's just her assessment.
	We know, we know, but I think that Yeah, she might have some insight as to why that is, right?
	Yeah, I mean, you would expect that perhaps they would do a little, is everything okay?
	Is there anything that we can do to accommodate?
	And also I think we should probably know that, if you're not surprised by something, Before you make too many assumptions, let's let the call continue.
	It's going to play out.
	Let's hear more.
	You know, it's a great question.
	I would love to ask it to him myself.
	He's not even answering anymore.
	Really?
	Well, okay.
	That's too bad.
	But I have two other options for you that I think might be interesting.
	Okay.
	And if they're not, we can go to the drawing board.
	We're happy to do that.
	So we have Candace Owens coming from Turning Point USA.
	Are you familiar with her?
	Kanye's a big fan.
	Sure.
	It's a different era.
	And the other one we have, which actually I think would be my preference, I think it could be very interesting, and I think it's a very interesting dynamic, is Dan Bongino.
	Who is Dan Bongino?
	Come on, dude.
	Who is Dan Donjino?
	Dan Donjino.
	That's so fucking funny.
	Candace would have been interesting because this is at the moment where she was wearing...
	Kanye's a big fan of Candice.
	Kanye and her showed up at that event with the White Lives Matter t-shirts.
	Do you remember that?
	Was that back in 2018 that happened?
	Yes.
	Whoa.
	Yeah, we're getting old.
	Do you think that he, that Ye held...
	Is that what happened with Kanye?
	That Dave Bluntz guy, have you seen him?
	He's like that enormous man who sits on a couch.
	He stands up sometimes.
	But then he sits right back down.
	But Ye this last week stated, and Dave said at first actually, that they would sit on the phone for four or six hours at a time and Ye would just talk to him.
	We'll really talk at him, I'm sure.
	And through them doing that for several weeks, he wrote his entire new album.
	Dave Bloods penned every single song on his new record.
	and if you listen to that kind of like the delivery it makes sense like he has that real like sing talky bit about ever whatever but Sure.
	When he throws that in, but it's like he's saying a full...
	It's not really lyrics, kind of.
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, and then Ye came out and said that, yeah, actually he had...
	Dave wrote the lyrics to every song on there, but it's all from Kanye's perspective.
	he's not going to throw Dave under the bus right I think he already is in the middle of it but it's also like at this point if you're like a young and up and coming artist you know Ye is asking you to do anything for The money on the table is very hard to turn down, I'm sure, because he is apparently a billionaire.
	There is obviously influence there, but then on top of that, having, you know, Real menace this week.
	Yeah, what a wild ride.
	Dan Dongino.
	I love that.
	I love a world before people knew who Dan Dongino was.
	Crazy.
	Did Sam not know who he was?
	No, he doesn't.
	I really thought he was just making a great joke.
	No, no, no.
	If neither option is favorable, I can absolutely go back to the drawing board.
	I have not a single problem doing that.
	I want to make sure this is a great experience, number one for you, and something that's interesting and twosome for you to get into also.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm familiar with Candace Owens, and that might work.
	But send me information about that other guy.
	I just have never heard of him.
	Very fun.
	The fact that they're laughing, I feel like.
	Oh, the laughing, so it's a little meta.
	This is Sam.
	In 2019, listening to Sam's call in 2018.
	I see.
	Oh, okay.
	So now he knows who Dan Dongino is.
	I think he does.
	A little bit, yeah.
	So in this last part of the call, you can really feel the frustration of what it might be like to talk with Stephen Crowder and to work with him at all.
	Him and his team.
	Yeah, that's a real shame.
	I think you're bigger.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what his team is doing around him.
	And that's, you know, just for me to speculate at this point, he, He has a team?
	He has a whole team, and he won't do it?
	He can bring the team!
	I believe it's his father, but I can't confirm or deny that.
	Okay.
	I'm not sure.
	That was just my inference.
	I understand.
	Well, I mean, he's young, isn't he?
	He's not that young, is he?
	He's a young guy.
	He's in his 20s.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, well, send me that.
	What about Dave Rubin?
	Yeah.
	I went on to Dave Rubin to say if I could get Rubin.
	Steven Crowder is literally three eight-year-old boys in a trench coat.
	His phone call proves it.
	Well, that's why you've got to have dad.
	now.
	Now look, I understand.
	Steven is But let me put it this way.
	Steven Crowder is not capable of defending his positions with an adult who has spent a little time Reading up about these things and is somewhat knowledgeable about this stuff.
	Oh, he's 32 years old.
	All right, well to be fair, Maybe 31. At the time when this conversation happened, he was probably 31. And I know that my daddy made sure that I wasn't gonna get into a situation where I would feel embarrassed.
	Well into my late 30s.
	So?
	That's so funny.
	It was good.
	And his team, we've established.
	The way that lady goes, that's his dad.
	I love bookers.
	It's so great.
	It's funny because you would think that they would be fairly nonpartisan, but Stephen must have been so obnoxious in this interaction to have someone who's supposed to be like a neutral booker.
	To have a personal preference and opinion about it, it's amazing.
	That's so fucking funny.
	It's amazing.
	So, shortly after Stephen's feet grew cold, we return to Sam's Open Challenge from October 24th, 2018.
	It's what we started with.
	And so this is kind of a longer clip, but it's a very clear clip.
	I would like to invite Steven Crowder to come on this program and I will attempt to change his mind or
	Or I will meet him anywhere at nearly any time at my expense to have the opportunity to change his mind with the one stipulation that we recorded on video with sound.
	So, Stephen Crowder, if you are one Sixteenth.
	the man that you propose to be you purport to be I am I am issuing you a very specific challenge to debate you if it's if I have it wrong that you did not chicken out from debating me at Politicon like chicken out so much that you decided not to even attend then
	So I will host you on any time, on any platform, in any way to debate.
	And I guess we'll hear it.
	Look, because, Stephen, I know you are watching or hearing this.
	And everybody else knows it, too.
	There's no way you're not aware that I've issued this challenge now.
	You knew it was coming.
	When you backed out of Politicon because you were afraid of debating me.
	And here it is.
	So you know where to find us.
	MajorityReporters at gmail.com.
	If you want to get us an email or you can tweet at me.
	And I will, of course, follow this up with a tweet to you.
	And I imagine, you know, I don't know if you'll block me or mute me, but I'm sure somebody's going to get you the message.
	So, Stephen, we'll see you soon.
	I bet his dad will give him the message.
	You think his dad knows how to use YouTube or Twitter?
	Hey Steven, some guy named Sam Senders calling?
	Okay, well, Steven knows who Sam Senders is.
	Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And it does appear that his feet did get cold.
	Let's send him some socks.
	That's funny.
	Holy shit, we should sell socks.
	Yeah, we should.
	With his face on it.
	For your cold feet.
	Cigar.
	In case of cold feet.
	In case of cold feet.
	Yes.
	So, Stephen's got him, but certainly, given another opportunity after the public airing of his feet's temperature, he would jump at it, right?
	You'd assume so.
	I mean, obviously, he's a tough guy.
	No way the situation would repeat it.
	Back in May, Right.
	Back in May, And this is 2019.
	Okay.
	I got an email.
	Oh, no, this must have been, the first one must have come, actually, I think in April, from a guy named Jim.
	Hmm.
	And he wrote, Hello, Sam Cedar team.
	My name is Jim and I work for freespeech.tv.
	This is a new network being launched on June 1st.
	We're wondering if Sam would accept our invite to be on the show.
	The show is a panel discussion that will have a conservative and a liberal on every show to discuss current events and politics for about an hour.
	The show is called Free Speech!
	And will be hosted by Gavin McGinnis.
	Remember him?
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah.
	Gavin.
	I thought he was talking about Frank's speech first.
	Oh, Mike Lindell's network.
	No.
	It's still going.
	Is it really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, Gavin, co-founder of Vice Magazine, fan of misogyny and serial names, adjacent insider of insurrection by the group he founded, the Proud Boys.
	I thought you were going to say Vice.
	No one harder than Shane Smith.
	I mean, this is like the beginnings of a wonderful, unauthorized biography of Vice.
	That's really interesting language.
	Yeah.
	So at this time, Gavin was struggling to find solid ground after being deplatformed for, you know, all the...
	Whoops.
	Yeah, said a lot.
	And eventually this would become Censored.tv.
	I know that one.
	They later merged, actually, with Compound Media to form something called Compound Censored, which is what they are currently.
	It's basically a content graveyard haunted by ghosts like Anthony Cumia and Owen Benjamin.
	Nice.
	Very good.
	Hell yeah.
	Scary as hell.
	Gavin's Booker Jim though, who I'm suspicious is actually I think it's just Gavin himself.
	Papa Crowder.
	But, yeah.
	This is part of the communication that he had with Sam.
	We can pay Sam for Sam's travel and stay, plus pay him $5,000 to be on the show.
	You should have gotten a hotel in Midtown, bro.
	We have a lot of big names on both sides of the aisle.
	I-S-L-E.
	My pet peeve.
	That have agreed to be on.
	My fucking pet peeve.
	We're hoping Sam can, too.
	T-O.
	We will be filming two episodes a month for 12 months so we can work around, scam, Sam schedule, Jim.
	Now, I have to say, when I get an email like this, I am suspicious.
	Because, one, Gavin McGinnis wants me on his TV show.
	Okay, he's going to pay me $5,000?
	I don't get $5,000 for anything.
	I don't know if all the appearances I've made on MSNBC over the past year I will get $5,000 in aggregate for.
	Probably not, actually.
	I mean, he's kind of right to be suspicious, especially this year with all that Russian money that Tim Pool and Dave Rubin took.
	He was ahead of the curve in terms of new media money accepting.
	Other guys that he's talking to currently.
	Yeah.
	Well, but it is interesting.
	Gavin must have really been desperate to book left-leaning opinions because, I mean, why would you go on Gavin McInnes' show?
	Really?
	Yeah, sure.
	So Sam's employee...
	Oh yeah, here he goes.
	Hello, Patrick.
	Thank you for getting back to us.
	The show is being filmed in a professional studio in downtown Manhattan.
	There will be makeup, because Patrick was very concerned that I needed makeup.
	Patrick throws a lot of shade at you.
	Yeah, Patrick is...
	I mean, I was just curious, like, what the heck is going on here?
	And so there will be makeup.
	About 30 guests is in the audience.
	The show will be shown on Free Speech TV, but we'll be putting up some interesting parts of the show on YouTube.
	The show is all about having conservative and liberal ideals being represented in long form, hour-long discussion.
	I saw Sam's interview with Glenn Greenwald the other day.
	That was awesome.
	This is kind of the same idea.
	The guests maybe not agree on some of the current political topics discussed, but we do it in a fun and respectable manner where both perspectives are shared on any given topic.
	Is this person ESL?
	Like, they keep using the wrong word for things.
	Well, I don't know, but I have a feeling that Jim is not really Jim.
	You guys should lay off Jim.
	I think Jim used to work at Vice.
	I think Jim has a drinking problem.
	Or it's a company-wide issue.
	Could be, yeah.
	I would have asked those questions if I was Sam and had an employee named Patrick, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Good stuff.
	Do we have an employee?
	I mean, yeah, we've got a whole staff.
	We've got a bunch of Patricks, too.
	We make a bunch of money on our Patreon.
	Of course.
	You've met Patrick.
	Shrug.club.
	All of them.
	Patrick works for us now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We pay him $80 a month, $90 a month.
	That's all we have to give.
	You gotta give.
	We want the viewers from right to left to be able to do both sides and not feel like they're watching another Fox News or MSNBC echo chamber.
	Gavin would be the host of the show.
	The two guests will be a liberal and conservator on each show.
	are shooting two episodes a month for a year so we can work around Sam's schedule.
	Is there a Yeah.
	Boy, oh boy.
	Is there a particular conservative guest Sam would like to be on the panel with?
	We could make it work.
	Steven Crowder might be a good pairing, for instance, and he is willing to do the show.
	This is huge.
	I have noticed a lot of Sam's fans want Sam to debate Steven.
	This could be perfect for him for that.
	qualified, and all fine stabbing people but we are getting a great response.
	Here's where I think, like, oh, this is real.
	It's looking that way, right?
	Yeah, the way my ears perked up when I heard Steven's name.
	I was like, hell yeah, let's do it.
	I know that guy.
	Gavin!
	We know him quite well.
	Gavin, there's a huge difference between like what Sam said and how he spoke about needing to have a debate with someone with a YouTube audience, like a larger audience.
	And then there's like what Gavin's doing here, which is exploiting actually successful new media figures from both sides of the aisle, getting them together in a room to hash out I would just, the entire point of having people, exactly, just business.
	People, of course you want people who will bring people to your network on your network.
	But I think ethically it feels a little bit different, right?
	I don't think so.
	Sam is trying to change minds for the better and Gavin's trying to make money.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	You're saying that Sam's idea of saying I want someone with a large YouTube channel is because I can have a great impact to society that way.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Kevin's meaning is I need to make money.
	And he can scrape audiences from I think that they are ethically different, but both ethically fine.
	Fine, yeah.
	I mean, he's still a dipshit.
	Yeah, of course.
	Not a good guy.
	It seemed like the show wasn't terribly successful.
	Are you sure?
	Well, it's no longer on, but I do have a list of the episodes, and I did go take a peek at some of them.
	Candace Owens versus, I say versus, and Cornel West.
	We got Milo and Cornel West.
	They got two Cornel Wests back-to-back.
	It seems like he was one of the only ones on the left, too.
	He's like, and you're going to give me $10,000, he said?
	Yeah, $10,000.
	I'll do 20 of these things.
	Roger Stone and Mark Lamont Hill.
	Roger Stone, Jesus.
	Yeah, Ronald Martin and Joe Biggs from the Proud Boys.
	I think he's out of jail now, yeah.
	Dinesh D'Souza and Michael Shermer from Skeptic Magazine.
	Cool.
	And, of course, from 36,000 Mules.
	Yeah.
	More mules.
	Even more mules.
	I love that.
	Yeah, the most mules.
	Yeah.
	Chell Malkin, Michael Eric Dyson, Gina Belafonte, and Ann Coulter.
	So I really wasn't able to capture a lot of relevant names for this project.
	I mean, plenty on the right, just not on the left.
	Kind of, I guess, yeah.
	I've never heard of a single person on the left you mentioned.
	Yeah.
	People on the right.
	Cornel West.
	Cornel West.
	I don't know.
	I might, but I don't know Cornel West right now.
	Either way, this booking conversation continues.
	Then Jim writes, don't go to this yet.
	On May 21st, what nights in June will work for Sam?
	We ideally are going to shoot in the city around 8 p.m.
	Friday.
	Thank you greatly, Jim.
	Patrick responds, hi, Jim.
	Sam says, whatever night Crowder is there works for him.
	P, Patrick.
	And Jim responds on May 21st at 321 p.m.
	Awesome.
	Thank you.
	We'll be back soon with dates.
	Then on May 30th, we haven't heard anything.
	I say to Patrick, Patrick, what's the deal?
	And he writes on May 30th, hey Jim, Sam just asked, what's up?
	Do we have a date yet?
	And then on May 30th, 11.32 a.m., thanks for following up.
	I'm sorry it's taken so long.
	I'm working hard on it, and we are in dialogue over it with Crowder.
	I will know more in coming days.
	I will get back to you for sure.
	Thanks again, and I think it'll be awesome when it happens.
	I think Sam is hilarious.
	It's getting chilly in here.
	My feet.
	Give me some.
	Bad circulation is what I think it is.
	And then Sam, I mean Patrick, actually, reaches back out.
	Okay.
	And Patrick, I almost said me.
	Hey, Patrick writes, Hey Jim, any word?
	Question mark?
	And Jim writes back on June 3rd.
	Yep.
	Made some progress over the weekend.
	Hope to have an answer for you guys at the end of the week.
	Thanks so much.
	I just want this just as bad as you slash Sam want it.
	And then on June 9th, Jim writes, we tried hard, man, but he just won't do it with Sam.
	Very disappointing.
	Is there anyone else that Sam might want to be on the show with?
	Just a couple ideas.
	Ann Coulter lined up on the 26th that we could offer Sam.
	Also, what about Jimmy Dore?
	We've been talking to him.
	Thank you, Jim.
	Not a bad idea.
	Not a bad booking, right?
	Yeah, Jim Dore.
	Jim Dore, sure.
	Yeah, wow.
	So this next part, this was the most annoying moments of my prep for this episode.
	I discrape an episode of Gavin's show.
	Oh no.
	The July 23rd, 2019 episode of Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McGinnis, entitled Thanks for the 100K.
	In this episode, he's talking about a little controversy where the then-liberal Anna Kasparian, David Pakman, and Sam Seder, they'd all been publicly discussing Gavin's rather desperate-looking booking technique of offering $5,000 to liberals to debate.
	Sure.
	So it sounds like he reached out to David then.
	He did.
	He sure did.
	Yeah.
	I gave these guys a budget.
	I said, go get me some liberal guests.
	Getting conservative guests will be a cinch.
	The conservatives never even ask who they're on with.
	They're like, I'll debate anyone.
	I'll talk to anyone.
	But the left doesn't like free speech.
	They don't like the show in general because they can't control the narrative.
	They talk to anyone, huh?
	Anyone.
	You don't need to ask.
	It's so funny how...
	It's hilarious to me that they project so hard.
	Here's Gavin responding to Anna's calling him out on this.
	There are so many people in independent media who continue to do the right thing regardless of how much it might hurt them financially.
	Just pause.
	Sam said yes.
	The conservative he wanted didn't want to waste time with him.
	David Pakman said yes.
	And as far as I know, I didn't deal with any of these people.
	I'm pretty sure Anna said yes.
	I don't know what happened with Anna.
	They go through like hundreds and hundreds of liberals as they all chicken out.
	I want to know what happened with the David talk.
	Me too.
	Really curious about that.
	back in 2019, David Pakman.
	It's kind of a different...
	He seems to be rather stable in his approach.
	Oh, totally.
	And he debates really well, too.
	He doesn't let people get away from questions.
	Yeah, so I listen to way too much.
	Oh, man.
	I'm going to need a long weekend after that.
	Sorry about that.
	It's also Sunday, so good luck.
	Monday might have to be part of that.
	Then Jim, he continues to get real with Sam about this.
	Yeah, back to that.
	All right, man.
	I know you guys are going to be pissed, but here it is, what we've got out of Crowder.
	Crowder said he has 4 million YouTube followers and Sam has 500k followers.
	We're already up to now 650,000.
	Growing fast.
	Especially Crowder.
	Wow.
	And he didn't want Sam trying to ride in on his coattails of hard work, blood, sweat, and death threats just to lend his notoriety to Sam, which would help Sam gain some of his followers.
	And Crowder hates Sam for some reason.
	So he doesn't want to help Sam.
	I believe that point.
	I do too.
	Now the funny part is that of course, Crowder's willing to lend his brand out to unknown college kids.
	Well, that's the point.
	That's what they capitalize on.
	I happen to know for a fact that there's never been a single college kid that Steven Crowder has debated that has even close to 4 million YouTube followers.
	In fact, I will bet that I have more YouTube followers than any college student that he has ever debated.
	I do know he has not.
	Why don't we look that up?
	It's okay, you don't need to.
	I did it, Sam.
	Man.
	It just...
	I don't even know who Sam is.
	He hates Sam so much.
	So much, yeah.
	For very little reason other than he's probably scared of him.
	Probably.
	Before this, he had never talked about him, we don't think.
	Steven has not talked about Sam.
	Steven still doesn't publicly talk about Sam.
	But did he ever on the show before?
	I don't think so.
	Yeah.
	I mean, Steve's never talked about us either.
	But we gotta look.
	We gotta look.
	A knowing glance.
	That's true, and Tim the Toolman seems to be rather aware of our show as well.
	Yeah, Gavin must also suck to work with, because Jim's tone reminds me a lot of the Politicon booker.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Gavin tried so hard, multiple times, he tried so hard that now Crowder is mad at Gavin for pushing so hard for it to happen.
	I thought if anyone could make this happen, it was Gavin.
	But he could not convince him after multiple attempts to do it.
	We were fucking pissed.
	We think it's stupid for him not to do it and that it would go viral.
	I think with Crowder getting demonetized did not help things either.
	I'm not going to give up, but I figured for now it's not going anywhere.
	I would not be surprised in the near future if we get him to rethink it.
	We told him he is just as bad of the 19 out of 20 liberals that say no to Gavin when we ask them to be on.
	It's hard to have a dialogue when no one wants to fucking talk to each other.
	So hard.
	This is clearly, Gavin.
	It's hard to have a fucking dialogue.
	With that said, we would still like to have Sam on with someone.
	Maybe if Stephen sees that episode of Sam with some other conservative, then maybe he could open up the dialogue for a future date.
	We have Candace Owens on September 6th.
	This again, huh?
	Just pass it back.
	We got Don Gino on the show.
	We would love to hear you talk to him.
	I gotta say, guys, if I haven't made it clear already, I'm pretty sure Jim's Gavin.
	Yeah.
	That he's letting it slip a little bit.
	Yeah, and even in the way that Gavin's like in that little like So it seems like there's a thread in how he's approaching the discussion surrounding this.
	Yeah, and maybe the liberals know it's a trap, man.
	Yeah, I think that might be it.
	I think having the host who is probably one of the more far-right voices, you want me to have like a rational...
	Okay, cool.
	Let's do two-on-one.
	Yeah, $5,000.
	I'll do it for $10,000.
	Sounds great.
	This is another opportunity that Sam is providing Stephen to come on his show.
	Stephen, you can come on this program.
	You can record it.
	We'll do it live.
	I am willing to go on your program, do it live.
	We can do it in another venue if you want.
	You can hide behind the fact that you have more YouTube subscribers than I do, but it really sort of breaks down when you're willing to debate college students who don't even have YouTube channels.
	Do we know how many Sam has now?
	I think he's doing fairly well, yeah.
	I'll take a peek in while we wait for you.
	If you're worried about losing your followers or your supporters, that is fair.
	Because if I was you, I would be worried about that.
	1.79.
	In fact, that's the whole point of this.
	Oh.
	The whole point of this is to say to people who think that Steven Crowder knows what he's talking about, begin to understand that if he really knew what he was talking about, he wouldn't be afraid to defend it.
	So that's why we're doing this.
	And if you are a fan of Steven Crowder's, you should reach out to him and say, hey man, there's two examples.
	Of you ducking Sam Seder in an embarrassing way.
	And look, how many times the two examples you get documentary and audio evidence of something like that.
	Right?
	Never.
	This is somebody who's super, super nervous about it.
	Chilly, too.
	To the bone.
	The coldest feet.
	He's going to lose his feet if it doesn't keep him warm.
	He really needs to bundle those suckers up.
	We as a society aren't really talking about frostbite enough.
	No.
	Not at all, dude.
	Frostbite, it's icky looking.
	You might lose some digits and then you have balance problems your whole life.
	Obviously, Sam Cedar wants to debate Steven.
	And I'm sure that he probably wants to get his audience.
	Probably part of it.
	At this point, though, it's just kind of funny and interesting.
	The fact that he finds out it's Sam and then bails, that's very funny.
	It's wonderful.
	Oh, buddy.
	Like, you at some point are going to have to understand that everything of this is recorded, and you're going to have to reconcile with this.
	It's just very, like, it's like what liars do.
	They're not really thinking of the other people that are involved in these sorts of situations.
	So it becomes very hard to keep the...
	the story straight in those instances, right?
	And like Sam having all this record made, that there's like two and three and four people that are locked into these corresponding emails at least.
	Well, remember he doesn't understand firsthand or secondhand, so it's not, we're not gonna.
	We're not going to get very far with that.
	Oh, you're right, you're right.
	And is it possible that also his papayes...
	intercepting yeah being the one to be answering this and maybe he's not considering The PDF of it all, I guess, you know?
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the last word of Sam on TV.
	Basically.
	I deleted my password.
	No, Papa.
	He may have ghosted us, or he may have forgotten his Gmail password.
	All right, this is the last clip from 2019, Sam.
	Folks, feel free to go into any of Stephen Crowder's chat rooms.
	Put up a link!
	Hashtag coldfeet Crowder.
	Coldfeet.
	And that was the birth of probably one of the most amazing anti-Steven hashtags that currently is in existence, being used frequently.
	Still now?
	Yeah, so many more times than whatever that Times Square billboard one was.
	Oh, God.
	Cold feed's still all over the internet.
	And at this point, I guess I should make a plea to our audience to maybe reach out to Steven.
	Yeah, pick it up.
	Hashtag the big ugly.
	Hashtag cold feet.
	Hashtag Papa C. I don't know.
	You guys are creative.
	You'll think of some.
	Can't wait to see it.
	Make sure also to tag us at Van Crowder on social media.
	I'd love to see what you all have.
	If we get more than two, I'll give away a picture of two of them.
	Yeah, we'll give away a Ford Raptor.
	No, we won't.
	We will not be giving away a Ford Raptor.
	And Minecraft.
	This is where Ethan Klein, currently in the middle of a bit of a Zionist-leaning controversy.
	It's been this year's Kendrick versus Drake, but okay.
	Yeah, of Twitch streamers.
	Ethan Klein and Hassan Piker butting heads over support of the Palestinians.
	Sure.
	I don't think we need to really get into that.
	Not relevant to this story, but worth the conversation.
	The strange thing, though, is it is kind of relevant to the conversation because I do think that what we're about to talk about was a catalyst for a lot of things coming together and falling apart within the progressive commentary community.
	Sure.
	But we're not talking about that right now.
	Okay.
	That's not why we're here.
	We're here for Papa Crowder stories.
	Well, and we're here for a little bit of Ethan Klein.
	This is June 21st, 2021, an episode of His H3 podcast.
	62121?
	Yes.
	It's a fun double number.
	Oh.
	Well, my tiff with Stephen came when he said that our clip about COVID, when we were saying it's okay to listen to scientists, said it was his favorite clip of all time.
	Now, I could have let Ethan continue on, but I'd rather go to the source.
	Oh, I haven't heard Stephen all episodes.
	I want to hear his voice so bad.
	So this is exactly what was said.
	Here's audio directly from the Big Uglies show.
	Straight from the mouth of the Big Ugly.
	This is my favorite clip of the year.
	Let's roll it.
	They said you gotta wear a mask, so I'm out there wearing a mask.
	Wow, big deal.
	And then now they say, you know, if you're outside, you don't need to wear a mask.
	It's pretty simple.
	You want to talk about who is Dom?
	Yeah, I mean, there's a whole...
	You don't have to think about it, dude.
	Stephen got a hoot out of that.
	Hilarious.
	Yeah.
	That's so fucking funny, man.
	I mean, it is funny.
	No one's smarter than me, Ethan.
	Well, certainly not the CDC, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, of course, National Public Health Agency of the U.S. Obviously, they're going to tease him for being like, just listen to him.
	He's a shill.
	He's a sheeple.
	Listen to what they say, bro.
	We're dumb.
	They're dumb, they're not.
	You don't have to think about it, dude.
	By the way, my rule is, right, whatever we say, always just extend the context a minute in either direction.
	It only gets worse.
	Joe Rogan's so stupid.
	Why is he questioning the CDC or Fauci?
	Yeah, seriously, bro.
	You're not a doctor.
	I don't want to think about things.
	I just do what people tell me.
	And we just went through with Fauci how he went from, it occurred in nature, oh no, it may have happened in a lot.
	They've been wrong.
	So you could, if you do that, there are many instances where you could have made yourself very sick.
	Well, yeah, when do I follow them?
	At what point along the chain of their changing their mind do I go, well, that's the way I should go.
	Nope, sorry, that's the way I should go.
	You didn't understand his last half.
	You don't even have to think about it, dude.
	I have a question for them really quick.
	Oh sure, they're not here but.
	Ahoy, guy.
	Steven.
	I'm glad you recognized Dave Lando's voice.
	Congratulations.
	Yes, it was.
	Oh, shit.
	I thought it was Gerald.
	I was just trying to make a joke.
	No.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah, it was Ahoy, guy.
	Great.
	Here's the thing with this.
	Have you ever gone somewhere where you didn't have directions and someone was like, oh, yeah, turn here.
	Oh, shit.
	Sorry.
	Wrong turn.
	Go right.
	You end up somewhere.
	Yeah.
	You know, you can course correct.
	Have they ever gotten directions from anybody ever?
	Well, no, because they're not women.
	Zing, dude.
	Thank you.
	I was channeling.
	Channeling, Steven.
	Yes.
	From our episode last week.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	These takes always have pissed me off because it's like...
	It's rock hard.
	It's etched in stone.
	It's rock hard, dude.
	Excuse me?
	It's hot, wet money.
	God, gross.
	But no, it's such a dumb perspective.
	Of course you should trust the science.
	Yeah.
	And it's also okay to know that it will change.
	With really intense situations where it's like, hey, let's go out that door, and then the fire falls in front of you.
	Oh shit, let's go out that door.
	No, I'm going to keep walking forward.
	You said this door, I'm going to keep going to this fucking door.
	Yeah, it's more NPC to keep walking, right?
	Totally.
	Is Steven Crowder an NPC?
	Hmm.
	Hmm.
	Very interesting.
	That's a new hashtag, Steven Crowder's an NPC.
	Imagine, and look, imagine if that was applied.
	Any, I mean, that's exactly, Yeah.
	In terms of Russia, USSR.
	That's exactly what globalists wanted, yeah.
	Listen, you may hear things that speak out against government, but you are not to listen to them.
	Hey, listen, I don't even want to think about it, dude.
	We don't need slide presentation.
	Go to next house.
	They're good.
	Exactly.
	It's great.
	They just said don't think in so many words.
	Yeah.
	We're including the words don't and think.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, listen.
	We're going to take your crops now and good luck with the weight loss.
	Okay.
	Dennis has got his hands on his face.
	Yeah.
	It's exactly what they're saying, though.
	Powerful commentary, Stephen.
	Just the visuals are off the hook.
	Famine.
	Heard that.
	Heard that.
	Famine's the worst.
	Imagine applying it to anything else in life and then he couldn't think about a real world scenario.
	Sure, sure.
	And there's a million scenarios.
	Of course.
	Right.
	There's so many situations where you go down a path and then you realize new information and you have to change the path and sometimes even go backwards.
	It's fine to do that.
	They didn't say don't think.
	just said just trust the people who know most about this shit well and you can't expect yourself or your small circle to know it everything.
	If we were relying on small bands of Wait, what?
	No, no, no.
	That's wrong.
	Yeah, no, actually, yeah, I've done the research and actually like I listen to like alternative media so like Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She sounds like a smart person.
	So, you know, I've been taking my my zinc pills and my I've been licking harsh metals and even heavier ones, in fact.
	You know, I'm fortified.
	So you guys should have been doing this since you were a kid, honestly.
	And if your brain's not, you know, in tune with this, let me put you on, brother.
	His name's Alex Jones.
	And he is going to save your life.
	He says, I'm ready, I'll come on you first.
	Jared, why are you all blue?
	Oh, um...
	I'm just blown away.
	It turns out that the colloidal silver is actually not the one that you should be taking.
	It's a colloidal normal color.
	Oh, nice, nice.
	Colloidal gold.
	Very cool.
	I tried sun bleached.
	I understand it's hard to listen to this show.
	Great.
	Yeah, I mean...
	Hey, wait a minute.
	I've been having a good time with all kinds of colloidal silver.
	You guys see how my skin looks.
	You guys see how, you know, every time that I see a wild animal, I'm trying to pick that thing up.
	You guys...
	I got hands that are real strong.
	I got dog medicine that I've been putting on my hands for months.
	I can't believe we got him for the show last week.
	Double salute.
	I've been right here on the couch for a couple weeks now.
	Alright, so usher him out while we play this clip.
	If a few more people had thought about it, we'd probably have a lot more European Jews alive, a lot more Russians alive, a lot more Cambodians alive, a lot more Chinese alive.
	They've all been massive.
	Hey, hon, let's do a podcast where we talk about things that we don't think about.
	What?
	So that's Dave.
	Fucking Dave, man.
	Dave.
	I mean, what kind of slope?
	Slick with Crisco.
	Are they trying to climb here?
	Sure, yeah.
	That's it.
	Gerald's wife is a nurse.
	Or was a nurse.
	I don't know if she refused to get vaccinated or something.
	You can't read and fully understand what they're saying.
	You can't read between the lines.
	They're not saying, do not think for yourself.
	They're saying, hey, listen, doctors are telling you these things.
	It's a collective of doctors' opinions.
	Yes.
	The idea of saying, hey, listen, just because you told me to do that, I'm going to do the opposite, is so childlike.
	Or saying, I want to know for myself.
	You can't be everything.
	You have to rely on the opinions of other people.
	You do, especially in situations like this.
	If my mom was like, don't touch the stove.
	You might get burned.
	I wouldn't be like, let me figure it out for myself and then do it.
	And then she's like, later on, she's like, hey, can you clean the stove?
	I'm like, you said don't touch it!
	That's actually a pretty good excuse, though.
	I like that.
	Yeah, like, it's a different situation now.
	I can touch the stove because it's not on.
	Speaking of different situations, I'd like to jump back to the H3 podcast.
	This is from the same episode, June 21st, 2021.
	Ethan Klein debates Steven Crowder.
	We went back and forth for people who have been following, and Steven boldly challenged me to a debate and a video titled, Your Move, Ethan!
	I will invite you on the show, Ethan Klein.
	I will have my, you know what, I'll follow you on Twitter.
	I will have Darren, my booker, reach out where you can come on this show.
	Darren's his dad, by the way.
	Just say your dad, bro.
	He keeps trying to hide that it's his dad.
	You guys will get more info about the dad.
	But Darren's his dad.
	Darren is his dad.
	is kind of fun.
	Yeah, executive producer of everything Stephen and Stephen's brother have put out.
	Crowder.
	Yeah, I didn't know his name was Darren Crowder.
	You've been going off of the illusion that his first name was Papa.
	Yeah, Papa Crowder.
	Pops Crowder.
	It's a short Papa.
	Oh, yeah.
	Papa Crowder.
	I think Pops is right.
	Why have I been saying Papa?
	I don't know.
	I've been saying Papa.
	I think that's it.
	That's where I got it.
	Darren.
	Darren.
	Doran.
	We usually go after political figures, authoritative sources right on this show.
	Usually those are the people who we have to debate.
	Change My Mind is not a debate, but we've had politicians, scientists, Pulitzer winners.
	And every now and then, a layup crosses our path.
	Just kind of like the shtick that you're only capable of.
	Is he doing this in traffic?
	Yeah, right.
	He's like, hey, seriously, get a voice memo.
	Well, remember, no, this is his studio.
	He has a plane problem at the studio.
	And it's that they're parking on top of his fucking roof, briefly.
	A jet's leaving the front.
	But did he say that Change My Mind is not a debate show?
	Yeah.
	It's a debate show, man.
	No, they're trying to change his mind.
	Oh, okay.
	The onus is on them.
	So they never debate anything?
	I guess not.
	They never discuss the different viewpoints of a topic?
	Also, he's never had a Pulitzer Surprise.
	Pulitzer Surprise?
	That's funny.
	He's never had a Pulitzer Prize award-winning author on the show.
	He's barely had celebrities.
	On his show?
	Yeah.
	They have a following bigger than him.
	Or else they're not allowed on the show.
	Yeah.
	Good point, huh?
	So, maybe you're wrong.
	I could be wrong.
	Ted Cruz has been on the show.
	Okay.
	Alex Jones, Nick DiPaolo.
	Wow, Nick DiPaolo's on there?
	Yeah, more people.
	That's amazing.
	I never would have thought Nick would be on there.
	He's the best comedian ever, right?
	I guess working today, I can't remember, the universe?
	Yeah.
	Ted Nugent, of course, that's another good celebrity.
	And we will.
	Oh yeah, Dan Dongeno on a show?
	I'd love to talk about the Larry the Cable Guy episode.
	Fuck, really?
	Yeah.
	How about the Russell Brand one?
	I mean, we already covered that one over on Brand.
	Oh, yeah, right.
	We did, yeah, yeah.
	Whoa, Jim Jordan?
	God, I can't think of something I'd want to watch less than watching Steven Crowder with Jim Jordan.
	What about the host of Dirty Jobs, Mike Rowe?
	Now, in our original video about Crowder, we had noticed that he had reached out to me to book me on his show, and he was kind of butthurt that I ghosted him.
	All this time.
	And in this video, he claims here that he never reached out to a booker and that I'm lying about it.
	So here's what he says about that.
	I'm going to assume that you didn't blatantly lie in some of the things that you said, that you're just really lazy or incapable of your due diligence.
	So you said some, we'll get to a female booker reached out to you for the show.
	Hey, Gerald, have I ever had a female booker?
	That's a no.
	Never, ever, ever.
	He's not too far off there.
	So that's impossible.
	The women don't last very long.
	No.
	You know what?
	I actually took this to heart.
	So I said, you know what, Stephen?
	I am going to look into this.
	I found the email that was sent to me.
	It was very professional.
	And it still had her social media contacts on it.
	And so I followed her down on Instagram.
	And I said, hey.
	Blank.
	Did you ever do booking for a louder with Crowder?
	I'm just trying to verify that this email I got from you invited me on the show is real or not.
	Thanks.
	Here's the email, by the way.
	Super professional.
	Definitely a real email, by the way.
	So, I do have the email here.
	Okay.
	I don't know if I would consider it super professional, but it seems like, based on Gavin's employee Jim's email that Sam got, that you don't have to be very good at writing Word to be a booker.
	Okay, yeah, using the...
	I guess, and you also have to have credits like this.
	Whoa, this is wild.
	I see like 100 titles already.
	I'm a celebrity talent booker, and I've booked NBC slash the Meredith Vieira show.
	Don't know what that is.
	50 Cent Variety Show?
	Comma, comma.
	Well, I think that might have been me.
	AOL slash Huffington Post and other.
	I'm currently working on Louder with Crowder, description below, and I'd love to book Ethan Klein for a Skype interview.
	Rest in peace.
	Yeah, closed down last week, right?
	Well, we'd need 15 to 30 minutes max.
	We could tape Monday through Thursday any time we can find a date that would work.
	In the last 30 days, Louder with Crowder has received over, over, they say over twice, 32 million reads, views, and downloads.
	More details below.
	Louder with Crowder is a daily syndicated radio podcast video show where guests come to discuss American culture and politics.
	Host Stephen Crowder is a stand-up comedian and previous spent four years as Fox News' youngest ever contributor.
	Stephen's irreverent, edgy, yet distinctly conservative style thrust him into national success appearing on most major cable news and radio shows.
	Is this your typo?
	What one?
	Conservative-style thirst him into?
	Yeah, it's me.
	Okay.
	That one was me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I wish it wasn't.
	CNN, HLN, Fox News, one word, and more.
	Here are the numbers for Louder with Crowder, louderwithcrowder.com.
	32 million reads, views, and downloads in the last 30 days.
	So he's including his website views.
	Totally, I would.
	Of course you would if you're going to try to make a metric to sell a guest or even advertising.
	7-plus million YouTube views and half a million audio exclusives.
	Exclusive downloads.
	I guess you could divide 500,000 by 4 per week, you know.
	Half a million audio exclusive downloads.
	It'd be really interesting to see.
	1.9 million Facebook fans, 6 million YouTube subscribers.
	Topics take on cultural and political angle that we work out beforehand.
	Is there a day or time that could work on a Monday through Thursday?
	We need about 15 to 30 minutes max.
	Thanks.
	Please let me know.
	I guess I could be a booker because the repetition of these small details is just sloppy work.
	It's like they're leaving a voicemail.
	I guess so.
	So when Ethan says this is a professional email, I do have to say that.
	I don't know if he is.
	I think he is.
	Stephen's saying that he never had a female booker.
	Ethan is saying that, yes, you did.
	It's this person.
	And he's using the professionalism of the email to further prove his point.
	And I think this is someone that worked for Stephen.
	I do think they're not terribly professional.
	Sure.
	She immediately responded to me.
	She said, yes, I did booking for him years ago for a few months.
	I'm not quite sure whose contact you'd have now.
	I know his dad does his booking for him, though.
	Let me know if you need to try his finest contact.
	Interesting that she knows that detail.
	That makes me think that is very real.
	Yeah, further solidifies.
	I do think she worked.
	You know, and Dan had this one moment that actually went a little bit viral in the political community that Stephen notably ignored during our tit-for-tat.
	I'll play it for you here, and this is where I'm leading to.
	A lot of people, but just because I feel like there's a decent chance Stephen Crowder will see this, and this will be the only time that I get to say this.
	Debate Sam Seder, dude.
	Stop being such a pussy.
	I know that your dad doesn't want you to, and You're three years older now.
	It's time.
	It's time to debate Sam.
	Ah.
	And notably, he doesn't include this.
	He watches the whole clip, but not to debate Sam Cedar.
	Weird, he didn't cover that part.
	He went into a lot of detail on everything else.
	Oh, yeah.
	Remember when Steven said that he usually extends the context surrounding the clips?
	Both sides.
	Doesn't seem like he does.
	Weird.
	Very weird.
	Actually, you know what, man?
	It seems like we've been doing this show, shit, almost fucking two years now.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	time does and uh Have we recognized that at all in this at all?
	No.
	I mean, I think that Steven's probably the most, he provides the most context, the most clarity.
	I trust him more than anything.
	He's a truthful guy.
	He's a truth teller.
	He's a truth teller for sure, dude.
	The thing is, he's happy to challenge me, somebody that has no political knowledge, very little.
	I don't spend my day talking and thinking about politics, nor am I a debater, nor am I, let's be honest, intelligent.
	Right.
	Let's be honest.
	So with all that being said, we figured let's get someone who is familiar with the topics, who does spend their time thinking about politics, and who is, you know, unlike me, smart.
	So we've got a little surprise for Steven Crowder.
	So let's all enjoy the debate.
	And the debate starts now.
	I'm really glad to have my next guest on the show.
	And I've always said this, I always respect people who enter the And, you know, we've had a lot of debates on this show, which is different from, like, a change of mind where we sit down and have conversations.
	But my old Brazilian jiu-jitsu coach always said, if you come a switch, we go switch.
	If you go spicy, we're going to do a little spicy.
	So we always try and keep it as respectful as possible.
	And I really do appreciate the guy making the time because a lot of people haven't.
	He has a huge YouTube channel, several YouTube channels, one of the OGs.
	A lot of people watch him.
	You know him.
	Some of you like him.
	Some of you don't.
	Same can be said for me.
	Ethan Klein from H3H3.
	Ethan, thanks, man, for making the time.
	You're very welcome.
	And I just want to say, I know you called me.
	You said that I would be a layup.
	Which is fine.
	Which is fine.
	And I think you're right.
	Because I don't think I'm a very good debater.
	I think you know that.
	So I didn't want to make it too easy for you.
	Oh, okay.
	So I've prepared.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	All right, so what we were going to talk about is, you know, the initial quote that happened.
	I think he's looking off there.
	Stephen's getting kind of nervous.
	Oh, he's definitely nervous.
	sensing something.
	Also, I love that even back then he does That is fun.
	I love that he does the same I'm gonna match intensity preamble that he does currently.
	He's like, I'm respectful if you're respectful.
	He's usually not, of course.
	Of course, he fucking lied to the entire thing he said.
	But the second that someone pushes back in a way that may be an ad hom, he gets to exploit that in front of his audience, saying like, hey, they started it.
	It's again, it's part of his victim.
	Totally, yeah, yeah.
	Ethan coming out the gate saying, I'm not a debater.
	I'm not even smart, which is kind of funny.
	Steven had already said that it would be a layup.
	So how is this a debate that is worth, like intellectually worth Why would Stephen do this other than to exploit the massive audience?
	Age three, massive audience.
	Yeah.
	That's the only reason he's doing this.
	He's exploiting a town He believes he's exploiting another creator.
	He's going to embarrass them and get this kind of like I dunked on you and now I'm going to steal your audience opportunities taking advantage of it.
	But he's nervous.
	You can tell.
	The initial quote that kind of was turned into a little bit of a meme, which wasn't intentional, and was you saying you don't even have to think about it regarding the CDC.
	And I disagree with that.
	I think people should think about it, I believe.
	And we talked about this through playful ribbing in an aggregation of medical authorities and scientific voices to make an informed and rational decision.
	So where do you think that I'm wrong on that?
	Stephen, do you know that the Spartans are that they are like practice man love with children?
	Oh, geez.
	Okay, so this is what's going to happen.
	What did I tell you?
	He was going to do anything he could to avoid...
	Oh, there he is.
	Oh, no.
	Sam Cedar.
	What a fucking nightmare.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	I'll give you a damn hockey, baby.
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	You best believe I'm going to take any opportunity to share some of the unreleased Danarchy drops that feature one of the best moments in Steven Crowder history.
	the shocking situation suddenly his screen it's a face of his worst enemy the last man that he would have what never heard that before what a fucking audio stinger oh no what a fucking audio stinger It's just a wonderful moment.
	It's so good.
	I'm glad that we have hit this point in the history of Steven Crowder.
	Oh no, what a fucking nightmare.
	Yeah, so he just got ambushed, which I love.
	Yes, it is fun.
	Yeah, you open yourself to that.
	That's amazing.
	Steven isn't fully surprised by this, and we're going to explore that a little bit.
	Whether or not that matters doesn't.
	I had no idea this was going to happen!
	I thought Ethan was a stand-up guy.
	This is where we are.
	Dave, remember I told you?
	I told you.
	I guarantee you he's going to do anything he can to avoid the debate.
	I just think he believes that he should debate you.
	No, no, he doesn't.
	He just takes advantage of women with mental health issues.
	He's inclined to stand up and do his own fighting.
	It's just hilarious.
	Let's bring on FM.
	You would do anything to avoid talking to me.
	I think you're, the point that you made is including Joe Rogan.
	Yeah, Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin and Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson and Noam Shotsky and Sam Harris.
	Everyone's been avoiding Sam's theater.
	It's not just a test to get your audio.
	I mean, it's about issues.
	Let's talk about those issues.
	That's what you're doing here.
	You're so clever.
	I had no idea that you were taking your show.
	You didn't show off early last time coming in today with your pig pen peanuts.
	Steven has that laughing bully thing.
	Full bully comes out here.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Where he's just going to talk loudly over anything to avoid his personal insecurities.
	Totally, yeah.
	He's running so hard.
	Pigpen peanuts.
	Oh, that's embarrassing.
	How is he referencing Pigpen?
	His eyes, maybe, I think?
	Does Pigpen have dark eyes?
	I don't know.
	He just has little dots.
	He's just got dirt all over his face.
	You know what's funny?
	I think that that's the implication because he in this conversation says a couple it brings up his velveteen rabbit button eyes and his pig pen peanut eyes.
	I don't know what he's talking about necessarily.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think it's better we don't know because it feels probably like it's probably a very offensive thing.
	Maybe.
	Apparently he's just saying that he's just got a little black dots for eyes.
	I think his eyes are fine.
	He looks like a normal, good-looking guy, honestly.
	Quick little warning.
	This obnoxious style of response is going to continue for the next few clips, so we are still going to walk through it, because I do think it's worth hearing.
	We must have been very worried about this, Stephen.
	I don't know why.
	No one's worried about it, Sam.
	I didn't want to do it.
	Sam, come on.
	I'll tell you what.
	I have a general rule.
	This is a great opportunity.
	Don't start a debate based with people on a lie.
	How about you get to a 30th of the audience?
	Stephen, show yourself.
	Don't show your co-host.
	Ethan, you should show yourself.
	Ethan, how can you respect yourself as a man, brother?
	Stephen, Stephen, you are such a coward.
	Stop showing your little leprechaun co-host.
	This is very funny.
	Ahoy guy?
	Yeah, he is kind of a smaller leprechaun-y type.
	Yeah, I know he is.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Immediately, as soon as Sam popped up, a holy guy actually came back in the studio and sat down in a chair so they could point the camera to him.
	I don't know what Steven was doing that he didn't want Sam and Ethan to see or even his own audience to see, but I don't know.
	It is weird.
	It's very weird.
	It's very strange.
	Let me hear what Peg Penn has to say here really quick.
	Fair enough.
	But Ethan, look, I don't...
	Ethan, this is because initially I came on here to talk with Ethan.
	Ethan.
	Come on, man.
	Look, the same reason that I haven't ever had a conversation with Sam Cedars, the same reason that Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, Brett Weinstein, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro don't owe anything.
	It's based on a lie, Ethan.
	What's the lie?
	Ethan, what's the lie?
	You claiming my booker reached out to you, Ethan, when you know that's not true.
	There's no one talking you, Sam.
	I've never afraid.
	I can call out Mike Tyson.
	It doesn't mean that I'm ducking him.
	You are so worried about this.
	I honestly don't.
	I don't think anybody owes me airtime.
	I think that Ethan has just given it to me.
	I didn't ask him for it.
	It's so annoying hearing Steven.
	His concerns...
	Well, you know what?
	Maybe he did this because he heard Dan, the producer, mention in that extended context of the H3 clip, did mention Sam Seder because I have the DMs between Ethan and...
	Ethan said, Hey, Steven, I'm down to debate.
	It could be fun.
	Maybe about COVID.
	Since the Dr. Fauci mask thing started this all, I'm hoping, though, let me know how you want to do it.
	Steven, or whoever is managing this account, I think it's Steven.
	Hey, man, thanks for reaching out.
	I do appreciate it, really.
	Anyone who enters the arena has my respect.
	I'll be sure that's reflected on air.
	If you send your email, I can have Darren reach out and set it up.
	Easiest would probably be to tape it on Skype earlier this week or next.
	My travel schedule is a little nutty.
	Traveling during COVID, huh?
	So I can't confirm which day would work yet, and pop it into our show unedited.
	You could use it if you want to run it unedited, obviously.
	And then he says, no tricks, no zags, just you and me.
	I'll make sure none of my buddies are in the studio to be any kind of distraction, even though, of course, the ahoy guy was clearly right there, and so was Tim and Gerald.
	And we can talk about the disagreement that we had fundamentally have had initially on trusting authority sources and to what degree due diligence is appropriate.
	I don't think they talked about the due diligence part, right?
	No.
	We can also discuss to what level big tech is within the right in making editorial decisions slash removing content.
	I'm down for any of this, but yeah.
	And then in an email from Pops Crowder, he also said, I would ask that you stick to the details that Ethan agreed on in the Twitter DM.
	This is a conversation between Dan and Darren.
	We never play gotcha with these things.
	Huh, it's weird that they would...
	No, they would never ever do that.
	Tricks like that.
	And we would expect the same.
	And then Dan said, excellent, we will speak then.
	But of course, there is 18 messages in this that Stephen didn't show.
	Sure.
	No real idea of what was said.
	However, I personally think that Stephen was suspicious of this for quite some time because I think he thinks a lot about Sam Cedar.
	Yeah, well, he probably knew that Ethan was too big for him.
	And he's surprised by the opportunity.
	Surprised by the get, yeah.
	I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of Stephen Crowder, who thinks quite highly of himself, or he kind of balances between crippling It's tough to say which side of the bed he woke up on that day.
	But yeah, this shit show continues.
	Do you think your audience cares that I only have a million subscribers and you have, what, six or seven million subscribers?
	Can I answer your question?
	Can I answer your question?
	Sure.
	You want me to answer your question?
	My audience would say Sam who?
	Because you have an echo chamber.
	Just like Joe Rogan's audience and Ben Shapiro's and Dave Rubin.
	Well, now they all know who I am.
	Now they all know who you are because you had to shoehorn yourself into another coward show.
	Your audience watches college students every day that you do that change my mind.
	They don't know who those college students are.
	Whoa.
	Now Ethan's just a coward, of course.
	Can we take a clip of...
	Sure.
	Yes, yes.
	Yep.
	He's crying.
	He has no reason to not talk to him in this moment, for sure.
	You guys are being so unfair to me right now.
	Of all the things that I said about you behind your back, my dad said you would never do this.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What he should have done, what a strong man would have done, he would have been like, you fucking got me, man.
	Like, God damn it.
	Alright, you're here.
	Let's talk.
	I guess you've earned this.
	On either side, my audience doesn't know who you are.
	It's like, motherfucker, your audience doesn't even know what your show's called.
	They don't know how to even listen to your fucking show.
	And I don't think that that's a new thing.
	This is a little bit older of a clip, but that's not new.
	Not being able to detect that this is probably excellent content for him, and his audience is going to think that he destroyed him no matter what.
	Exactly.
	If they're going to listen to this thing, they're We're not going to know who he is.
	He just said it.
	And they're like, yeah, you know, Stephen came on and he just pummeled this guy intellectually.
	And, you know, that's all they'll say.
	The insecurity of his position.
	Palpable, right?
	His audience might not know who Sam Seder is, and that's kind of a problem.
	Do you really want to hide your audience from different viewpoints because you're nervous they make more sense?
	Totally, yeah.
	If you went through that list of people who were on Steven's show, it was like, hey, I've got Mike Rowe here.
	They'd be like, Mike Rowe who?
	Well, I know Mike Rowe.
	Yeah, but most of the audience wouldn't.
	Might be true?
	I don't know.
	That's tough.
	I'm always struggling to determine the demographic of Steven because he claims to have this Gen Z, elder, millennial reaching audience, but I think that most of his audience is 55. Yeah, totally.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're his dad's age and slightly younger.
	Darren's buddies.
	Hey, let me put you on at the bar.
	They're drowning their tears in a cool light.
	Do you think that Steven Crowder's on the touch tunes in Plano?
	Oh, that would roll off.
	Yeah, he's bawling it from his phone over in the corner, and it's just a lot of six feet from the air.
	No, I'm sorry, actually, that's a lot worse.
	It's just taking back Sunday songs around his dad's friends, and they're still just looking at him like, God damn it.
	Boy ain't right.
	Let me clarify, Sam.
	Let me clarify, Sam.
	The change of my mind everyone knows on this show, right?
	How did you know I ended my show early last week, Stephen?
	If your audience doesn't even know me, how did you know that?
	Because you're an idiot and half of your staff doesn't like you.
	Do you watch my show?
	Because I'm a diehard fan.
	Yes, it's because he's a diehard fan.
	Well, if you're a diehard fan, why not have me and Stephen have a conversation?
	I will talk about the issues that you want to talk about.
	Right now, I'm trying to talk with you.
	You're interrupting, Sam.
	You bombarded the show.
	You bombarded my show under a false pretense.
	Just like you claimed that I ducked a debate with you under a false pretense.
	That is what the Politicon people told me.
	Oh, is that what they told you?
	So you're just lazy with your research?
	Research.
	You continue with the lie.
	You need to research to say, did Stephen ever accept?
	Let me explain to you.
	Let me explain to you.
	Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sweetheart.
	Sam, fake stand-up comic who we can't find any footage about online.
	Let me finish.
	I'm not a stand-up comic.
	Oh, you're not?
	Okay, that makes sense because everything that I've seen is incredibly unfunny and unentertaining.
	Well, I'm not a stand-up comic.
	Irony alert, Stephen.
	Comedian.
	Comedian.
	I love Ethan, this is our new alert.
	Yeah, and we all know that Stephen got called out because he is...
	Yeah.
	Does he have a parental block?
	Did his papa put a little parental block on his little MacBook there?
	His little iPad on his desk?
	He's like, you're never going to find out who this Sam Seder guy is.
	Don't even worry, Steven.
	He's never going to get you.
	And he's saying to him, we looked you up.
	Me and my dad, we looked you.
	We don't even know who you are.
	A few months back, I didn't know that Sam Seder had this comedy career, this acting career.
	I didn't really know that much about him.
	But yeah, we found out he was on Bob's Burgers, or I found out that he was on Bob's Burgers, but also that he had been working with H. John Benjamin since the 90s, and it's like, I didn't really recognize that.
	How did I not know about this guy?
	Yeah.
	He started in entertainment, yeah.
	Certainly.
	He talked about pilot seasons and all these things recently, learning more about him.
	I mean, he's got a Wikipedia page, and he had one at the time, so there's a timeline of his work on there.
	No one looked it up, or if they did, they were just like, don't worry about it.
	This guy's going to cream you if you talk to him.
	Well, I mean, he is Principal Jenkins in Assy McGee.
	Two episodes of that show.
	Okay, sure.
	He works within comedic programs, but that doesn't mean he's a stand-up.
	He did do stand-up in the 90s, though.
	Oh, really?
	I heard him talk about it recently.
	Either way, a lot of people did that.
	He's not an active stand-up comedian.
	Totally.
	And then he, when he stops doing that, doesn't say that he's a standard comedian, which is something that Steven Stephen hops on the stage twice and says that for the rest of his life he will be a stand-up comedian.
	I believe it was on Chapo this last week.
	He said that they had the...
	And 9-11 happened.
	And so they're like, we can't really do that here.
	So then they ended up shooting a New York show in Toronto.
	Just to, like, actually get it, like, produced and made.
	It's just like, yeah, oh, yeah, it's like, even then, it's like, all the Air America people, right?
	Mark Maron, of course.
	Mark Maron, Janine Garofalo used to be on the Majority Report, right?
	Yeah.
	These are all people who have had a cultural grasp for decades.
	And Sam Seder was there with them.
	Like, he wasn't the most popular one, but he found his voice doing the Majority Report.
	The majority report, of course, and that started with all of that.
	It's just interesting.
	I don't know.
	Oh, I looked at you.
	I couldn't find anything.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Yeah, Stephen has an IMDb page, too, but it's far shorter.
	I think I have an IMDb page.
	No, I do, actually.
	Yeah, Stephen does have an answer.
	Things slow down, calm down for a second.
	There's some air and Yes.
	So you've gone on and you've done the same thing with other comments.
	Everyone has a bigger audience than you.
	Because you said, I want to speak with Steven Crowder.
	You believe that at some point there was some acceptance?
	When have I ever done a Politicon?
	Ever!
	As a matter of fact, in the last decade, I haven't done a single political conference.
	I hosted CPAC for four years and stopped because they suck.
	They don't pay and they're full of losers.
	The only thing Sam could have done a little better here is just let Stephen ramble.
	Yeah, let him talk himself through this.
	Every time he talks, he charges up even more.
	It is true.
	Exhausting, right?
	Totally exhausting.
	I decided that at this moment...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Pretty interesting that he would consider them losers.
	I think that they probably just were like, I don't think you're great at what you do.
	And to confirm that, I decided...
	This is Stephen back then.
	Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage Fox News'brightest and funniest young conservative mind, Stephen Crowder.
	May the good Lord be with you down the hill, he's close to the ground.
	Thanks, Mom.
	I know it's been a long morning, but I want to get the energy up for these next speakers here.
	Are you folks ready to get your CPAC out?
	No, no, I can't hear you over here.
	Are you ready for CPAC?
	How about Obama's 0-12 victory?
	That's racist.
	They told me a lot of speakers are going over time, so I've got to let you know.
	We love you.
	But you're not all that important.
	Let's keep it to a minimum here because we have other speakers coming on.
	But I do want to take the time here to just ask, are there any members of our armed services or veterans here in the crowd?
	Could you stand up?
	The pandering.
	Folks, give them a round of applause.
	That's as classic as his Indian gangster bit, his recognizing any sort of war veterans.
	Yeah.
	Get the audience on his side because what they're about to experience is not going to be fun.
	Jesus.
	It's so bad.
	Reminds me of the Tenacious D, like inward singing kind of thing.
	It does sound a lot like that.
	I mean, CPAC audience is old.
	They're not usually having much fun anyway.
	But, yeah, this is an audio medium.
	You should see Stephen's turquoise, teal, I'm not sure where it's at, but it is most certainly a sweater that he's wearing.
	Okay.
	And it looks bad.
	What's the color like?
	It's a narrow V, you know, like not terribly deep.
	Yeah, also, I want to point out right now his early obsession with time.
	Very fixated with potentially going over time.
	Oh, sure.
	Eyes are glued to where a red light would have been at a comedy show.
	There's a countdown timer with big double zeros when he's supposed to not be talking anymore.
	I feel like they're getting to the zeros quite quickly.
	Yeah, he's going faster.
	Did you just speed up time?
	A couple more examples of that.
	This is Schlafly, ladies and gentlemen.
	I gotta say, once a year to discuss her faith and values, she is also fine.
	Look what I found backstage.
	I just want to let you know, this is going up on eBay afterwards.
	It's a big gulp.
	And you won't be seeing me here next year because I'll be on an island sipping mojitos.
	Okay, we have got to move along pretty quickly.
	They're telling me to see the big zeros over there.
	Yeah, because they probably were like, introduce him and leave.
	And they're like, maybe don't point it out every time.
	We don't need to get meta with how the program is running.
	I want to turn your attention to the back, these lights right here.
	Two inside baseball.
	Yeah, I don't know what he's doing.
	What an uncomfortable situation.
	Yeah.
	And also that first one that like Rod Stewart song.
	Yeah.
	When I heard it, I thought it was like a, Oh, sure, sure.
	It sounded so cliche to be that song.
	Yeah, that's what I thought was going to happen.
	Some blonde American woman singing it.
	Oh, sure, like Natasha Owens.
	Yeah, totally.
	Or maybe Trump's daughter.
	Yeah, Ivanka.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We got one more from CPAC 2013.
	It's a good year.
	I know you guys are tired.
	You gotta bring the energy up.
	Come on, let them hear it.
	Let them hear you love them.
	There you go.
	By the way, in breaking news, Ashley Judd just tweeted that buying Apple products again is akin to rape from her iPhone.
	Now she knows how my brain felt after divine secrets of the Ya-Ya sisterhood.
	We're bringing up, oh, she said it.
	What is this obsession with Ashley Judd and rape?
	It's pretty unnerving.
	This next guy, there's so much you can say about him.
	I mean, everyone here knows who he is.
	Okay.
	How are you doing?
	I just want to know how you folks are feeling.
	There you go, good.
	You know, I have these bright white zeros, and they come out and go, no, no, no, no.
	Oh my god, dude.
	He's so worked up.
	I don't think he got invited back.
	No, I don't think that he did.
	I think they were like, Stephen, you just went over the whole time.
	You complained about our timer.
	You fucked up.
	He made weird jokes that were irrelevant and sucked anyway.
	The Yaya Sisterhood he was talking.
	Yeah, that's a...
	The one she's known from?
	Sure, sure.
	I looked up a little bit about this Ashley Judd situation.
	So this was back in 2010.
	She wrote about the problematic origins of consumer electronics, like Apple products, and highlighted how the purchase of these devices can indirectly support human rights abuses.
	Makes sense.
	She said, quote, So she recognized that she bought the iPhone.
	And Steven's like, hey, I'm going to tell this joke as if she doesn't even realize.
	Yeah, I mean, I guess.
	And it was also years after.
	I mean, she may have tweeted about it recently.
	Years later!
	In this comment, it's not a personal attack against conservatives, you know, really.
	It's a comment meant to draw attention to the use of conflict minerals in iPhones, which now is something people care a lot about.
	Sure.
	Ukraine's got all the battery minerals.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't expect Stephen to understand the fact that you are a part of a system that is broken, and you can want that system to improve even though you are a part of the system.
	Yeah.
	She's not saying, hey, buying iPhones is bad, so go buy more iPhones.
	She's saying, this is a problem, we need to fix it, Yeah, because, like, Androids are any better.
	It's not like that.
	No, no.
	The system itself is really fucked up.
	Well, and also, for years, she's been outspoken about rape culture and the prevalence of sexual violence online and offline.
	Well, Stephen is too.
	Remember, he has that lesbian...
	Wow, he does care.
	But also, she, in her conversation, has spoken about her own experiences as a survivor.
	So Stephen, instead of being critical about her points, human rights abuses and conflict minerals, which I don't know if there's much room to argue that, but he decides to attack her personally as well.
	Yeah, why wouldn't you?
	She's a woman.
	So that was enough to pull me back.
	Into this conversation between Sam Seder and my conversation in quotes, I guess.
	So let's take a little break.
	Yeah, I thought I'd feel better by, you know, listening to some C-SPAN.
	turns out just as annoying.
	So we return to I guess the bullying that's happening.
	Yeah.
	And you've been clamoring for it, and it's a lie.
	Gavin told me that you dropped out of doing his show because this is just hearsay and gossip.
	I've never met more of a woman.
	I don't need to talk about the issue.
	So Ethan, do you want to have a conversation, Ethan, about the vaccine?
	Because Ethan, do you want to have a conversation you're going to hide?
	Absolutely, I do.
	So why are you hiding behind San Cedar?
	No, me and Sam are aligned.
	I'm not hiding.
	Well, you're just a liar.
	So you're a liar.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	It sort of feels like you guys are the ones who are hiding.
	Really?
	No, no, no.
	Who's the guy who never appears on stage, never does a live show, but is a comic?
	Never even allows a shadow of comedy to be perceived on his program.
	It's hiding.
	Everything we do is out in the open.
	H3.
	H3.
	Steven, you're wearing a holster.
	Yeah, we agree.
	So what?
	Hold on a second.
	Yeah?
	So?
	I want to normalize responsible gun ownership.
	Is that your debate?
	No wonder you had to bring in a hack for you.
	That pissed him off so much.
	I mean, that is the representation of his manhood.
	But that's also, that's just what Ethan Klein would do.
	Of course.
	Yeah, you think Ethan Klein's going to...
	I mean, Ethan in the past few years has put a lot of effort into...
	I don't know if he's been terribly successful in any of those efforts.
	He's had some fairly entertaining conversations about lesser important topics.
	The one that he had recently with Hassan and before that he had Sam Seder back on his show and that was interesting as well.
	But I think a little bit more misguided in his position.
	But he already said it.
	He thought that this was going to be a layup.
	And of course they tricked Stephen.
	Yeah.
	Sure, but they tricked Stephen because No, no, no, no, no.
	When he got scared.
	He pulls out and holds it.
	Sam Cedar!
	Oh, no!
	What a fucking nightmare!
	Pulls out his gun, and then he realizes that his dad puts blanks in it.
	Oh, no.
	Because he doesn't trust him.
	Yes.
	It's empty.
	Dad, how could you?
	Obviously he was tricked, sure.
	But the fact that he was backing out of those things, that they were trying to get it, And they're like, oh, and everybody backed out.
	It's pretty funny, though.
	It's hilarious that Steven won't debate Sam Seder.
	Yeah.
	It's also really annoying to hear them try to talk about this.
	Yeah, it's really annoying to hear them.
	Yeah, the way that they all gang up and scream into the microphone.
	Oh, man.
	All right, Sam.
	You got it.
	You got it.
	I hope you have a wonderful highlight reel.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me just make one point.
	Hope you enjoy Politicon.
	Hold on.
	Let me make one point, Steven.
	Take it easy.
	All right.
	Thanks, guys.
	I appreciate it.
	Don't bail, you coward.
	Hey, Sam.
	One thing before I go.
	One thing before I go.
	Can you take off your glasses?
	Hold on.
	One thing before I go.
	Can you take off your glasses?
	We just want to see.
	I just want to see if you take them off.
	If you have the Velveteen Rabbit buttons.
	That's the only thing I'm curious about.
	It's the only interesting part about it.
	Or if there's a soul.
	Just take off the glasses.
	Let's debate, Stephen.
	Don't hide behind the glasses.
	Let's debate, Ethan.
	You've lost that one.
	Debate the issues.
	What does it matter when you debate, coward?
	Alright, good.
	You guys are good.
	Thank you.
	You won't even take off the glasses.
	I was right.
	You run away twice.
	Cold feet again.
	Come on, Stephen.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Dude, I can't believe he admit to following.
	He admitted that he followed the show last week.
	We got it.
	He admitted that he watched the show last week.
	We got him.
	Dude, we played him so hard because he literally was following.
	He saw that you went live, dude.
	We fucking got him.
	Oh my god!
	We fucking nailed him!
	Holy shit.
	There's a lot of earned joy in that moment.
	Oh, of course, yeah.
	It did make me feel good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That is very good.
	Do we need to do something to plant a seed for Steven?
	My god, I would love to do that.
	We need an elaborate trick.
	Yeah, if we ever connect, we need to definitely trick him.
	So, also, I don't know if you caught the moment when he was getting ready to connect.
	He's like, okay, Ethan, we'll release the private messages.
	What a fucking pussy, right?
	Yeah, what a little baby.
	Come on, man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You want to release the private messages.
	And they did immediately.
	They actually had them already prepared and screencrafted.
	Screencraft.
	Screencapped and highlighted.
	Yeah, they did it on that same show?
	Yeah.
	They were ready.
	I mean, they were afraid that this was going to happen.
	And we'll learn a little bit more about kind of the elaborate planning that went into this.
	Sure.
	Well, I feel we got him pretty good here, Sam.
	Well, you know, I would have liked to have had an exchange of ideas with Stephen, so I'm a little bit disappointed.
	and i know how much you were looking forward to that to uh...
	you know we had uh...
	but i guess steven is just It's sort of sad.
	It is sad.
	It is sad because he claims he's a political thinker, but he didn't think much in this case.
	I got to wonder if there are members of his audience right now who are probably thinking like, hey, wait a second.
	maybe steven is actually afraid of having some type of exchange by any he spent Here we are, baby.
	He only wants to debate people who have a perspective on the left that have a YouTube channel that's over a million.
	Well, maybe you've got to expand your horizons a little bit.
	Maybe you should be looking to debate people who are actually proficient in debating and the topics itself.
	Instead of he referred to me as a layup and I would agree with him and that I'm not politically savvy and I'm not a debater So what so what what actual uh?
	Exactly.
	And an audience, potentially.
	Did you guys know, this is a crazy fact, that Steven was the best basketball player of sixth grade?
	I didn't know.
	That's interesting.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm not going to look into that.
	I'm going to trust the science on that.
	Yeah, of course.
	Trust the science.
	Steven definitely didn't try and beat up kids last week in basketball.
	Oh, we're not talking about this.
	No, he didn't do it in sixth grade.
	He did it last week.
	Oh, that makes sense.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	And, you know, it is worth mentioning once again that he noticed that you ended your show early last week.
	That's right.
	And we specifically were like, Right.
	Right now, as we are talking, there is a live show that's on.
	And he came on.
	We started the show two minutes early.
	And he did not walk onto the set until our show was live.
	So true.
	And you called, I gotta say, you called it last week.
	Thank you.
	And I was like, I can't.
	I just don't believe that he's that nervous.
	Yeah, he was.
	I can't believe he admitted it.
	What a dumbass To admit And also Like The alternative Is I think that Sam Could show up I'm going to put this to rest once and for all.
	If Steven Crowder was as much of a man as he seems to be with all his weightlifting and his...
	He's got a weapon, for God's sakes.
	I'm coming unarmed.
	Hands up.
	If you want to shoot, go ahead and shoot.
	How much alpha brain do you think he takes in the morning?
	He's probably juicing.
	And the idea that he had at least a week in advance.
	Knowledge.
	That he couldn't come prepared to debate somebody who actually reads this stuff and spends their time doing this is almost like the saddest thing that one could say about Steven Crowder.
	Hold up.
	So make sure you understand, they recorded an episode of Sam Seder's show to make it appear as if Sam Seder had gone live.
	Yeah, because the week before where this was originally scheduled, we'll get into the details of that.
	But Stephen cancelled.
	I'll just say that.
	Oh, because Sam ended a show early and he thought that was Sam getting into The intention was to, initially, Sam started his show an hour earlier so he could do this the week before.
	Okay, and so then this week they tricked him by doing a fake live.
	Yes, exactly.
	Oh, that's hilarious.
	That's so funny.
	What a loser, right?
	Isn't that such like the cheese underneath the basket there?
	That's amazing.
	It's like not even that elaborate, but that it worked so well is like, I got a tip of hat.
	That's very clever.
	So Steven did release the, I guess, unedited version of this to further make a point that he knew Sam was going to...
	do this.
	Okay.
	I don't know what that really proves though.
	Cause like Sam said, he knew it was coming.
	Yeah.
	And, and as Sam said, like he could have been prepared to actually approach this.
	Totally.
	Yeah.
	Like he, he should have, it would have been better and he would have looked cooler and stronger if he would have been like, you said, just hold on a sec.
	Sam's going to be here or something like that.
	Yeah.
	Watch him try and treat me with Sam's theater.
	will kill him.
	Well, he might.
	Okay.
	Here's a camera.
	Okay.
	Right.
	All right, let me check this.
	Check one, two, three.
	Good?
	All right.
	Okay, you guys are going to call him and soundcheck him?
	Yeah.
	Professional with the gum.
	I bet this guy's going to do anything he can to avoid actually debating.
	Yeah.
	I think he wants to do anything that he possibly can to avoid.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	When you want me to admit him into the room, I'll just do that.
	Sure, well, yeah.
	You guys do the sound check.
	I don't want to sit there and talk with their producer, Dean, and stuff.
	But I don't think this guy wants to do this.
	Yeah, that'd be my bet, but hey, hopefully he mans up.
	Okay, you can do your sound check.
	Alrighty, here we go.
	I'm going to sit right here for one of you guys.
	Most stilted start, right?
	That Cedar character.
	That Cedar character.
	Does he think he's cool?
	Oh, Stephen's such a little baby.
	God, it's so, yeah.
	I'm just trying to wrap my head around like, yeah, what is all of this?
	I'm exploring empathy in this situation.
	Do you know when Stephen stopped doing Change Our Mind?
	I mean, when he could no longer, I guess...
	We had a Dr. Pepper.
	Exactly.
	One of the most recent ones, he actually had, I think it was Steven Monticelli, the reporter from Austin, showed up and debated him.
	Do you remember that one?
	No.
	I think that that was it.
	When he actually has, I mean, he has attention and people showing up with the intent to The reason I'm asking is, yeah, has anyone, Has he done one since this thing was Sam Cedar?
	I feel like...
	Hmm.
	I'll have to look into that, because I'm surprised that we as a show have yet to cover A Change My Mind, mostly because I feel like it's selected one-sided takes.
	Totally.
	Yeah, I thought it was an unedited version.
	Yeah, I'd be more interested in that, but I don't really care.
	To see what points Stephen has released publicly, you know, out of these conversations he has.
	They're doing some sound checking.
	Yeah.
	Hi, Stephen.
	Hey, Ethan.
	How you doing, brother?
	Hey, I just want to say on a serious note that I'm glad you're...
	I heard you had a little bit of an issue with your wife.
	Well, she's pregnant with twins.
	By the way, congratulations, too.
	I know you guys are in the same process.
	It's a whole thing.
	They switch and they branch.
	Oh, sorry, am I too loud for you?
	I just told Dan, our producer, to turn the volume down a little bit.
	You're good.
	I'm going to take out my gum.
	Yeah, they switch and they breach.
	They're rolling around.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, at first they said C-section.
	And they said, oh, we might be able to do a natural birth, but they don't have to do C-section.
	And then they said, oh, yeah.
	And then they said, no, wait, now the other one's breached.
	And the boy's just a dick.
	He just will not stop kicking the other one.
	It's like a junior suite apartment.
	He keeps kicking the girl.
	And so then the girl wakes up.
	Oh, so how far in is she?
	She's due late July, early August.
	Oh wow, that's coming right up.
	Yeah, and I've got a big surgery July 1st, so I'm trying to get everything done in a hurry.
	Is that your first?
	It is.
	Yeah, it is.
	We talked about it on the show quite a bit.
	So my wife had a basic operation for them.
	I won't talk about it.
	She probably won't.
	But basically, then she woke up with something called GBS.
	It was a physical issue.
	And GBS actually paralyzes you from the waist down.
	That's what she was experiencing?
	Yeah, when she came out just because they put her under And so it's interesting, like, you know, I'm, uh, It's one of the few conditions because of the GBS.
	It's like a neurological condition where she has to be careful with any vaccine.
	So it's just been a weird navigation.
	But this is your second, right?
	Yeah, this is going to be our second.
	So we've been through it.
	So we publicly put out that he's a pro-vaxxer.
	Yeah, that was interesting.
	That's the most human I've ever sound him, frankly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because he's...
	He's speaking on behalf of his wife a little bit.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but he didn't want to share.
	Yeah, you know, I don't know.
	It's a lot of information to ante up to somebody.
	Well, it's almost an over-explanation.
	Totally.
	Which happens when people may or may not be telling so much of the truth because this is the reason that they canceled, supposedly, the recording the week before.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	Yeah, I mean, it's possible.
	But also, like, I think Stephen didn't say anything positive there.
	He wasn't like, oh, I'm, you know, I was worried about her.
	No.
	You know, I'm glad she's safe now.
	Or worried about the kids, no.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He said, apparently, if you have a junior apartment, you beat your roommate or something.
	I love that my son beats up my daughter.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's hilarious.
	He's being a dick, you know?
	Yeah.
	Little dickhead, just like Papa.
	All right, I'll give you a countdown, and then I'll, uh, three, two, All right.
	Okay.
	I'm really glad to have my next guest on the show.
	and I've always said this, I always respect people who enter the, And, you know, we've had a lot of debates on this show, which is different from like a change of my mind where we sit down and have conversations.
	But my old Brazilian jiu-jitsu coach always said, if you come a switch, we go switch.
	You go spicy, we're going to do a little spicy.
	So we always try and keep it as respectful as possible.
	And I really do appreciate the guy making the time because a lot of people haven't.
	I think I got a little bit of what happened at the end after they disconnected.
	Hold on, I'm going to pause.
	Yeah?
	Okay, so it's the same timeline, just they ditch Ethan.
	Yeah.
	And then this is immediately after.
	Yep.
	Great.
	I knew it.
	the guy thought that No, we're still going.
	The guy thought that we had no, I mean, we have the master, Yeah.
	Is he still on?
	We have the master file.
	We knew.
	Yeah.
	And this is exactly what happens.
	Someone like a Sam Seder who just...
	He never lets you speak.
	I like how he goes, your little leprechaun co-host, because he's still mad that I said he looked like a transgender Wayne.
	You know, that's just been eating at him for the last month.
	Well, you know, and this is the thing, too.
	We don't do debates based on a lie.
	Like, I can call out Mike Tyson.
	I can call out Evander.
	It doesn't mean anything, right?
	And so when someone says, hey, you said you would do this, and you just admitted that, of course, there's no proof of that.
	Well, I heard this from so-and-so.
	Yeah, but there's no evidence.
	We can bring up here the direct messages with, I hate to do this, but with Ethan, it was, hey, we'll talk, you and I, man to man, no one else will come in.
	As a matter of fact, I was going to say, if I have my phone, I can take a picture right here.
	There's no prompter.
	It's just him on a call.
	And he's terrible.
	I'm terrified.
	I don't know how someone like that can live their life as a man.
	It's a projection moment for sure.
	All they do is talk over you.
	Really, Steven?
	Really?
	Okay.
	Also, very prepared with the screenshots.
	What do you think a master file is, by the way?
	I don't know.
	It's just the recording, I guess.
	This is encrypted.
	It's a wave.
	Have you heard of it?
	You ever heard of a wave?
	It's higher quality than your MP3.
	Yeah, it's not quite lossless.
	We're not using flack here, but it's a master file.
	It's a master file.
	for sure to make sure that his audience believes that there's this Yes, of course.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	But the difference is, you know, you're running from this guy, dude.
	You're running from him.
	You're running from that Cedar character.
	That Cedar character.
	To bring this back to the station, I'd like to end where we started, on the majority reports.
	Okay.
	Doing kind of a post-mortem over there about what happened.
	Ethan goes, we just got an email from Crowder.
	He says he has to go to the hospital with his wife, who is pregnant with twins, but they want to reschedule for next Monday at noon Eastern.
	And Ethan, to his credit, was like, they watched your show go off air.
	And I'm like, what?
	Come on.
	No way.
	It sounds like a serious issue with his wife who's pregnant.
	I've had two children.
	Pregnancies can be tough.
	And honestly, I'm like, he wouldn't lie about an emergency with his pregnant wife, would he, to get out of it?
	Hmm.
	Dennis is less sure.
	I mean, I think that'd be really low.
	But how low?
	You know?
	No, I agree.
	I would not lie about it.
	Of course not.
	I'd be like, sorry, some shit came up.
	I can't do it.
	I need to reschedule.
	No, but it's not to get out of it.
	it's that there was the mere possibility that you'd show up well i mean but but Okay, well, let's just table that concept.
	And then takes the time to reschedule at exact time.
	Like, I would be, if it was me, I would be like, somebody just tell them that we'll reschedule.
	We'll deal with it later.
	I can't even think right now.
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to check my calendar as I'm going to the hospital with my wife or with anybody.
	Well, especially if the person sending the email is Mr. Crowder.
	He would be just as concerned.
	This is my future grandchildren.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So there's two situations here.
	Yeah.
	Either Darren and Stephen don't care.
	A lot about Hillary, which is possible.
	I don't believe that for a second.
	Or Stephen's lying.
	And using the potential loss of his children, the threat of that, as an excuse to reschedule.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we've all done the, my grandma died.
	I don't know.
	I'm calling sick to work.
	I can't even tell you how many times my grandma's died.
	See?
	That does work, but you think that your unborn children would be off limits, right?
	Well, no.
	Well, not to certain people.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, all things considered, the biggest point is the detail.
	And would you add details and things?
	Over-explaining.
	Yeah.
	When he added it, it was on Ethan.
	I don't think they were intending to publish it, so it feels a little bit...
	And it's not like his wife doesn't have that or didn't experience that, but it could just be, you know, like, it's not an emergency that I need to reschedule anything for.
	Sure.
	And, I mean, the condition that she had, I believe, was something that happened prior.
	I think he was just saying that she'd had a rough pregnancy.
	Yeah, it's like a strep type of strep, by the way.
	Sure.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	But regardless.
	It's like a bacterial thing?
	It's group B strepococcus.
	Oh, okay.
	But at the end of the day, If there is an emergency, your business pauses, and that's okay, and no one would be bothered.
	Yeah.
	You know, if there was an emergency, and like, oh, I gotta get home, you know?
	I would say, what time are we gonna do this?
	Dude, before you leave, can you give me a time, please?
	Of course it would stop you and make sure that you commit to another time.
	Well, I mean, to be fair, I would prioritize this.
	Of course, you don't like your wife that much.
	Duh.
	Get out of there.
	It's a real bummer, dude.
	Trying to make her avoid me when I light up three cigars at the same time on my porch.
	And my sake socks.
	It's just such a great visual.
	For a horrific event, what a loser, right?
	We're talking about the ring, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	He was smoking a cigar?
	Yeah, blowing the cigar smoke at his pregnant wife.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know he was smoking a cigar because I've never met anyone who smokes a cigar that's not like part of an event.
	Well, clearly you've never experienced a Steven Crowder Ash Wednesday in which he smokes a cigar with a pseudo celebrity that Well, not really.
	You got John Voight in here.
	He does it with somebody.
	Yeah.
	He does it with somebody.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Have you ever gotten an ice cream cone by yourself?
	That's a great question.
	I go to an ice cream cone with people.
	Wow, that's probably one of the richest analogies.
	I've never waited in line for an ice cream cone and then sat on a bench by myself and eaten it.
	I'll have a drumstick at home, sure.
	This is the question of the week.
	Ding.
	Have you ever eaten an ice cream cone by yourself?
	Reach out to us at Van Crowder on social media.
	To be clear, have you ever went and got an ice cream at an ice cream shop?
	That's a good point.
	There's a clear distinction.
	What were you saying, Jared?
	Well, I've gotten an ice cream cone by myself a handful of times.
	Sometimes you just sort of like...
	So if you hit the McDonald's drive-thru, it's a dollar.
	Drive-thru's different.
	He's talking about standing in line by yourself.
	Yeah, I'm talking you go to an ice cream shop and you wait in line.
	In front of you is a family with three kids.
	Behind you is a couple that's snuggled up and in love.
	And you're just waiting on your phone to get an ice cream cone.
	And then you go home and you yell at your wife while you're eating an ice cream cone.
	Well, yeah.
	Your Traeger's empty.
	It's bone dry.
	You didn't get me an ice cream cone?
	Of course I didn't get you an ice cream cone.
	And let's also be clear, it's not like I came in with like, ah, Stephen, here's pictures of you getting punched or here's, you know, I mean, it's not like that.
	South by Southwest.
	It's not one of those.
	I just came and I said, I am willing to debate the issues that you have prepared for.
	I was willing to debate any issue.
	Any issue he wanted to do, I would have debated him, but he didn't want to.
	He didn't want to, but we definitely did want to talk about his interruption of Chank.
	Episode 24, South by South Mess, 2017.
	That's right.
	That's a good title.
	It was a great episode.
	Do you think they should do another Surrounded of just Sam Seder?
	And Steven Crowder.
	Let's do 20 Sam's theaters.
	Steven Crowder never runs and touches the chair.
	That's kind of fun.
	Oh, someone make that art.
	Someone do a Photoshop of 20 Sam's theaters sitting around Steven Crowder.
	Or an empty chair.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that would be funny.
	We got one more clip.
	This is the last word on all of this.
	He doesn't know.
	I mean, here's the thing.
	He was too panicked.
	Here's the little secret.
	The reason why, and I look at Crowder and, you know, To the extent that I've seen his clips or I've seen his change my mind, I don't think he's an idiot.
	I think he's capable of tying his shoes.
	But they stay in such a bubble and expose themselves only, again, he has these arguments with college kids.
	19-year-olds on campus.
	I'm not diminishing 19-year-olds, but he's coming in there.
	They don't feel comfortable with the format.
	He does.
	And he feels he needs all that.
	And when he's in an environment where it's not that, even though he's sitting in his comfortable studio, he's got all his crew around him, the seven or eight.
	He's got his holsters.
	He's got his guns.
	You know, guys, schlubby guys around him.
	And he's got his gun.
	He's literally packing heat.
	He's got his armor.
	He's built up, right?
	But all of that stuff that he's built around himself and, you know, the opponents, the college kids who aren't schooled in this kind of stuff, and then the body, the armor, and the guns, it's all meant to protect.
	His fear and his ego, and he didn't have it here.
	It's very strange.
	It is very strange.
	It's just he's insecure.
	Scared guy, unfortunately.
	He's insecure, he's compensating.
	And that was really funny to watch.
	Oh!
	Oh no!
	Whoa, what a fucking nightmare!
	I love that clip.
	Yeah, and it feels better now, right?
	I have an opinion on all of these people in some regard.
	Everyone we've heard here today.
	Yeah, we've ran through a lot of them.
	And I try to think about If I had no idea who these people were and I heard the context through this lens, who am I actually on the side of?
	There's no way it could be Steven.
	How do I even say this?
	Can anyone who thinks that Steven knocked it out of the park here give an articulate couple of sentences on how he did?
	I suppose.
	And I have a challenge for that person, okay?
	Okay.
	Here's my challenge.
	if somebody can defend steven here what i want you to do is i want you to find somebody else who will say they will debate us and convince them to come on our show and then surprise us we need to know their social numbers though we definitely gotta know because they're probably doing better than us and hey you I don't want to scare you, but our numbers are pretty good.
	We're actually doing fairly well.
	We're having fun with it.
	I try to keep everyone's egos in check.
	I don't like to tell you guys how much I'm exploiting you.
	I pin a bunch of ads.
	Got a bunch of microphones around me.
	I'm not afraid to use them.
	So, I mean, honestly, that's all I can take, even though it is delightful to hear Sam Seder.
	This is a great episode.
	It's been really a lot of fun to, you know, walk through his encounters and the evidence that he was able to display, which, of course, is unsubstantiated and hearsay, according to Stephen, even though...
	Yeah, he's a little whiny guy, but if you want to convince us otherwise, feel free to do so.
	Do it.
	But do include the nickname hashtag, but also do use hashtag, of course, Cold Feet Crowder.
	Cold Feet Crowder, yes.
	Cold Feet Crowder, hashtag Darren Crowder.
	Papa sauce.
	Yeah, you don't even need to say anything else.
	Just hashtag Darren Crowder.
	Someone just tag him.
	We know he lost his password years ago, so he can't do it.
	He can't tell the notifications on Twitter.
	He doesn't want to figure it out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Shout out to us at louderwithcrowder at gmail.com, at thancrowder on BlueSky and X. louderwithcrowder.net, the best one.
	louderwithcrowder.com, right?
	Yeah, but louderwithcrowder.net.
	Louderwithcrowder.net, louderthancrowder.com.
	Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, boys.
	Next week, God, I'm telling you, I try to listen to the show, and I do.
	It's just, it's really impossible to cover currently because the boys have a new shiny toy and it's called Slurs and Hatred.
	And they're having a blast over there on Rumble.
	It's borderline- A little bit.
	Yeah, they need to.
	It's impossible to cover a show that's focus is exclusively racism and homophobia.
	And I know that you might be saying that is what the show has been for two years.
	You have no idea.
	It's a disaster over there.
	But I'll get back to it soon.
	Thanks for going on this journey with us.
	Thanks for spending your Sunday with me, boys.
	Appreciate it a lot.
	Happy to be here.
	Oh, yeah.
	And until next time.
	talking to y'all.
	Fucking nightmare.
	I don't have any buttons other than I'm Dennis.
	And I am Jared.
	Can we have DJ Danarchy play us out?
	Of course, he always does every week.
	With the Oh No.
	Oh, you want one of those?
	How about that?
	I wanna hear "Oh No" again.
	Oh no!
	It's the first time.
	It's people who are the social justice left who want to get us banned and removed because the market has spoken and people enjoy this content.
	Because I'm a comedian, you wouldn't hold anyone else to this standard, but you f***ed up!
	Duck royally!
	All of these examples can be easily debunked with a quick Google search.
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	This could just be me being down there.
	It could be a blind spot.
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