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EPISODE 51: MOTOR CITY MAN-CHILD CHRISTMAS (DECEMBER 18TH, 2014)

This week...it's a miracle. While Steven is OOO, all the boys are in the room together to discuss the first LwC Christmas. Old friends, new friends, not much news...but a lot of cheer. Like what we're doing? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Want more of us this? Check out our crossover episode with ON BRAND. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv3X2DHosTs Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an AudioWool original.
	Now I'll be condemned for that.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast, Louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron, and it's one of those rare occasions where, well, I'm joined in the studio by Dennis.
	That's not rare.
	I'm here all the time.
	You were gone for about a month.
	You're right.
	And Texas is a little less occupied this week because Jared isn't there.
	He's here.
	Ho, ho, ho.
	Let's high five in person.
	Clap.
	All right.
	You want one, two?
	Double clap.
	We can't do that normally.
	We don't have to point at each other from the...
	The stream.
	We pointed each other.
	A little video box.
	It's a little different.
	Yes.
	And following a breakneck couple of weeks for the show featuring a new approach to mass shooting claiming that this most recent situation the shooter at the Abundant Life Christian Academy was a man-hating radical femcell not just a depressed teen with a poor relationship with her family struggling socially at school fascinated with school shooters.
	Sounds great.
	They also attempted to crowdsource drone info, capitalizing on the East Coast phenomena that's kind of taken over the news cycle.
	Requesting MCU tips.
	And not Wolverine, right?
	We're not...
	We're not talking Deadpool.
	No.
	We're talking about Mug Club Undercover.
	God, it's so crazy to me.
	I forgot about the MCU entirely.
	They will still go to jail for you.
	Hell yeah.
	Even after the live stream of the century.
	These guys are in the pocket, for real.
	And finally, their last show of the year, they had a PG Christmas celebration where they...
	Donated a bunch of gifts in a grand way instead of quietly helping people off camera without capitalizing it.
	Very cool.
	I'm sure they were probably thoughtful gifts that weren't just random big ticket items.
	Speaking of big, they gave away big checks.
	Oh.
	Yeah, so they wasted a bunch of money creating these large novelty checks in order to make it a fun celebration in which they reap the benefits of the appearance of being good people.
	They shot this?
	Yeah.
	They filmed it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Did they do that one that...
	No, no.
	When they cut to it?
	They did have some holiday-themed stingers, some jingled bells, things like that.
	And Steven Crowder did attempt a Santa Claus accent for as long as he could.
	What is Santa Claus's accent?
	I gave it up immediately.
	It's interesting that I would call that and consider it an accent.
	Yeah, just a Santa Claus voice?
	It's not.
	Hello, children.
	Speaking of gifts, though, I should shout out really quick.
	We got the chance to guest on Brand.
	Yeah.
	That was a nice little thing that came out on Boxing Day.
	That was a wonderful experience.
	Thanks, Lauren and Al, for having us.
	You can check that out on their podcast feed or at YouTube on Brand Podcast.
	Not Woke YouTube, though.
	YouTube specifically.
	Regular YouTube.
	Regular YouTube, yeah.
	Where free speech is a little bit dicey.
	Free speech?
	While the gang is set to return in mid-January, they're on break now.
	Oh, nice.
	This offers us a great opportunity to dive a bit into the past.
	We missed a lot in the past couple months, mostly because we were avoiding election coverage.
	Goddamn, yeah.
	The tedious nature of their thoughts on Trump.
	But I did decide to go back a bit.
	Actually, I'll go back a lot.
	December 18th, 2014. Whoa!
	Ten years back.
	The fourth ever...
	What was the date?
	December what?
	18. 18, okay.
	10 years, 10 days.
	10 years, 10 days.
	10 a.m., if it's Pacific Standard Time, but that's not what we're working in.
	It's the fourth ever episode of Loud with Crowder.
	Wow, okay.
	And to set the stage, do you remember 2014?
	I remember Bang Bang was on the radio.
	Sure, also on the radio, Happy was declared the most popular song by Billboard and Facebook.
	Very relevant institutions currently.
	That's hilarious.
	Kim Kardashian had just broke the internet with her paper magazine photoshoot balancing a champagne glass on her ass.
	She was balancing?
	I thought she was holding the stem in her butt cheeks.
	I don't think that was it.
	I think it was rested atop.
	But either way, it broke the goddamn internet.
	That was 10 years ago?
	Yeah.
	And the Ice Bucket Challenge.
	That was the Ice Bucket Challenge year.
	I remember that 10 years ago.
	$94 million were raised by the end of December.
	And also, Grand Theft Auto...
	2005 had come out three years before that.
	They're still waiting for six, huh?
	Yeah, it was 2013, I guess.
	Yeah, and Bill Cosby faced multiple allegations of sexual assault from several women.
	Great.
	What a year.
	Yeah, it was pretty cool.
	2014, I was 10 years younger.
	We were not in our 30s.
	No, no, no I wasn't.
	But this episode, it's got a special guest as well as a familiar voice from the early days of the show.
	Ahoy Guy?
	No, no.
	It's a guy that I attempted to track down at his radio station where he currently works.
	We'll get into it.
	And there's also an interview that we're skipping entirely.
	It should be a fun time.
	Not necessarily, you know, dense commentary.
	I'm just hoping to celebrate the holiday season with you guys.
	I'm glad that we got together in the same room.
	I'm here for a good time, man.
	Was this their theme song?
	We learn to work and play and get along with each other.
	Steven, is someone calling me?
	I hear my name.
	Steven, can I see breath in whispers and screams of pain?
	And now it's time for the Motor City Maniac, the wit from the mitt, the Great Lakes Grandmaster, the Motown Madman, the Mittens Killer Kitten.
	We ran out of nicknames.
	You're listening to Louder with Crowder.
	What the fuck was that, man?
	That's how you open a goddamn show.
	Was that really the old theme?
	Yeah, using a little clip of the Arthur theme, right?
	Is that what that was?
	Yeah, I think it was.
	That is insane.
	I'm familiar with the show Arthur, which is kind of a shocking thing to say out loud.
	The second half of the music was actually kind of impressive as far as like...
	That seemed to be an instrumental from the...
	The 70s that maybe...
	It felt to me like it was like the guy who made it clearly worked in radio.
	Because it was very much like a...
	Speaking of that...
	You're listening to AM Talk 1600, and we actually have our man Stephen on Skype.
	Let's see if we can get a hold of him right now.
	Hey, Stephen, are you there?
	I am here.
	Who's the dame I'm hearing talking in the background?
	It was probably Michelle.
	Who's Michelle?
	Michelle Maltin.
	Oh, oh, okay.
	So we're going to run that interview later, though, right?
	You are super, super overmodulated, dude.
	I've never heard you sound that overmodulated.
	I don't know why it sounds so overmodulated.
	You know, you could be nice about it.
	They're on the radio.
	This is insane.
	This is like real radio.
	Yeah, terrestrial radio.
	On an AM talk station.
	Steven had like a big muff on or something?
	Yeah, he turned on an effect pedal.
	He turned on the rat pedal?
	It's a mess so far in the mess.
	Does it resolve?
	Nope, not at all.
	It's not.
	You know how I'm sensitive about it.
	How are we doing now?
	It still sounds really, really distorted.
	It sounds really distorted.
	Well, how about if I bring it down?
	Is that doing it better or is that just taking the volume down?
	It still sounds distorted.
	It doesn't do anything.
	This was on the air?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is a radio show.
	Yeah, of course it's on the air.
	They didn't figure it out before they went live, though.
	Wow.
	No, you could have probably tested this tech before time.
	Yeah.
	And that distortion is like...
	Just like a blasted preamp somewhere.
	Yeah, I think they're working on it.
	Now you're getting somewhere.
	Now it's getting a little cleaner.
	Okay, if I take the gain down, and then if I take the volume up, does that make it any better?
	Are we good there?
	Keep going in that direction, and it's getting there.
	Keep going in that direction.
	I've got the game down.
	I'm taking it while testing on air, Detroit and Crowder listeners.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I must tell you, never rely on just one alarm clock.
	It's like that episode of Seinfeld.
	That's exactly what happened today.
	Oh, man.
	I always put three.
	I usually have two plus a small Korean gentleman.
	This is terrible.
	Yeah, I think it's...
	I mean, it's pretty good radio so far.
	You know how, like, you always hear those people who are like...
	Hey, don't be upset about where you're at in life.
	The guy from Fuel started playing music at 40. The guy from Fuel started playing music at 40?
	No, but you know you hear that kind of stuff?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	When I hear terrible versions of things that actually made it big, I'm like, okay, okay.
	I'm not so disappointed by my terrible sounding whatever.
	However, this is just embarrassing.
	This is terrible.
	Shocking.
	Yeah, well, it's shocking that Steven is now a millionaire and he wasn't.
	Yeah, I mean, that just shows you, you know, money can't buy happiness, but it can buy...
	A team to make you sound okay.
	Yeah, it can be someone who can handle audio decently.
	Yeah, and we at this podcast at this point do stand Fundip.
	Fundip Dan?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm here for him.
	He's fine.
	Yeah, bass man?
	And he's doing the best that he can.
	He's doing the best, totally.
	I mean, he's troubleshooting over Zoom like it's a grandparent who doesn't know how to get their printer to work.
	Well, and they did have a pre-planned bit talking about why Stephen doesn't like alarm clocks.
	So Dan...
	Kind of gently segues into that a little bit.
	Stephen does a bad joke.
	He sets two alarms and then one alarm is a small Korean man, which is a tease for something we're going to talk about in a little bit.
	Awesome.
	Welcome to Louder with Crowder.
	I am your host, Stephen Crowder.
	So, funny story, okay?
	We are going to get to a lot of...
	We're going to get to the North Korea hacking.
	We are going to get to...
	Gosh, we're going to have a great interview with Michelle Malkin later on today.
	That woman's just beautiful.
	She's brilliant.
	How can you not love her?
	Where she talks about, of course, Jeb Bush is now exploring running.
	You've heard this, right, Fun Dip?
	Yes, I have.
	My gosh, you look like hell.
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	So that's kind of fun.
	Opposite of the approach that the current staff takes to Steven's physical appearance.
	Totally, yeah.
	But still right at the top of the show, which I do appreciate.
	Refreshing experience so far.
	Sure.
	We've got an interview with Michelle Malkin, which, spoiler alert, we're not going to talk about it at all.
	Was that that woman in the background?
	It was.
	That's a weird comment.
	Well, that's actually a pre-recorded interview that they had with Michelle Malkin that I think he must have just been rolling back or something.
	I don't know.
	I don't know why it was.
	Pause on the playback.
	Something.
	Or it's like when we were live the other night and Jared had his phone and I was talking back through his phone through Twitch.
	You should harmonize like that.
	Like you plan for a delay and you're like...
	Do a round.
	I could do a singing round.
	That'd be kind of cool.
	For people who don't know, Michelle Malkin, I didn't know much about her.
	I don't know who it is.
	Conservative political commentator.
	She was at Fox News for a long time, and then in 2020 joined Newsmax.
	A little bit more controversial in her later years, which we will get into, but she also runs a blog called Hot Air.
	Nice.
	That's amazing.
	Very cool.
	I'm looking up who she is to try and figure it out.
	Yeah, why not?
	I appreciate that.
	I have the iPhone 6. I thought that was me getting all distorted.
	See, you're on your phone here, and that's why.
	I have the iPhone 6, okay?
	I got this new iPhone 6. The ringer button doesn't work.
	And I actually took it back to the store, telling them, listen, the volume button doesn't work.
	I turn on the volume, and it turns off all the time.
	There's a little bit of slack here in the phone button.
	You can see there's slack.
	It turns on, it turns off, and it's not working.
	Can you return it?
	I've only had it for 20 days.
	Oh, sure.
	They go to return it.
	They come back.
	Oh, no, sorry.
	There's nothing we're going to do about this.
	What are you talking about?
	So there's a slight crack.
	On the corner, the top left corner of your screen.
	I said, so?
	They said, so if it were just the volume button, we would have been able to fix it, but now it's out of warranty.
	I said, so just fix the volume button.
	I'm not asking you to fix the screen.
	They're like, no, it's out of warranty.
	So if I would have brought it in, yes, and the volume button were the only thing that were broken on this piece of trash.
	Lemon you've given me.
	Yes.
	You would have fixed it?
	Yes.
	But because there's a slight crack on your also defective screen that you've given me, you won't repair it.
	Yes.
	So they're blaming you for cracking the screen?
	They're blaming me for cracking the screen.
	Which, listen, granted, maybe I did crack the screen.
	I don't know.
	This makes me so mad.
	As someone who used to work in cell phones, this would make me so mad.
	Because I talked to 100 people just like this, and they were the fucking worst.
	I worked at Apple.
	Oh, I can only fucking imagine, man.
	Loose and wiggly buttons were issues on the iPhone 6. I don't remember having that problem.
	I do remember that being a beautiful phone, though.
	I really liked it.
	I mean, the 4 was one of my favorites.
	Oh, it's a good phone as well, right?
	It was my first one.
	It drives me crazy that people, like, it happened all the time.
	People would break their phone, and they'd be like, what do you mean it's not a warranty?
	I dropped it in water, but the button's still...
	So you're saying if I didn't drop my phone in water before this, you'd fix my button?
	Yeah.
	Maybe the button was broken because of you, Steven.
	How fast did he...
	Break the screen.
	Quickly.
	20 days is a quick break.
	Put it in a case.
	My phone's broken currently.
	Well, it happens.
	It's also my fault.
	Difficult to break.
	They're pretty hoss anymore.
	When I worked at Apple, it was the launch of iPhone 5. So there was a lot of people who were like...
	You know, new to the iPhone.
	So maybe that was Stephen's problem, you know?
	It was his first one.
	No, because he's...
	What kind of phone do you think he had before that?
	A Flip.
	He probably had a...
	A Samsung Vortex.
	Interesting.
	I think this is just the struggle of tech support.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, you have to deal with this weird bullshit of people who won't tell you what happened.
	It's frustrating, I guess.
	Yeah, but...
	I'll say that when I worked at the phone place I worked at, I remember very vividly someone came in and said that they...
	Their phone just wasn't working anymore.
	And I was like, oh, did it get wet?
	And they're like, I don't think so.
	He opened it up, it's full of sand and water.
	I was like, it smells like root beer.
	And they're like, oh, that's weird.
	And I pop out the SIM tray and it's like sticky and clearly root beer.
	Like they had dropped it in root beer or something.
	Well, Fundip does his best to relate to Stephen here.
	And he's a good yes-ander.
	I think he's quite the improv radio personality.
	He deals with interviewing people who have never been on the radio all the time.
	Yeah.
	But then he comments on that Michelle Malkin thing that was playing in the background here.
	Well, no, you do have to.
	Anytime you're running a recorded thing, you've got to cut it into a couple of pieces so you know where the length is and you can time it out.
	So we're rocking there.
	And it looks like we might have lost Stephen, reconnecting with Stephen Crowder right now.
	Get back to the host of our show, and we'll be back in just a moment right here on Louder with Crowder on Wham Talk 1600. Yep.
	It's a sandstorm, boys.
	Whoa.
	You're listening to Louder with Crowder.
	Holy shit.
	Talk 1600. They got the guy from Winamp to do it?
	I think it's Fun Dip.
	I think he's got a great radio cast.
	It really whips the llama's ass.
	Did you guys know that's...
	You told me.
	I found that out, yeah.
	Wesley Willis.
	Our boy Wesley Willis.
	A line to Wesley Willis line there.
	What holds in mind is this feels like it's at least 20 years old.
	It is stunted.
	Remember, it's AM Talk Radio.
	There's not been a lot of growth in that industry.
	There hasn't been.
	It feels so dated.
	Yeah.
	It feels like Winamp.
	I mean, it would be like if we did the show on college radio.
	It would still have that same kind of terrestrial feel, right?
	You'd think we would have weird stingers like, Coming up next on Louder Than Crowder.
	Will the boys find something silly that Steven did?
	A.K.A. the Mitten Muncher.
	The Mitten Muncher.
	Byron's here.
	Beanie Bro Byron's here.
	Okay, guys.
	Don't make fun of me for that.
	I think they get Steven back really quick.
	Great.
	You are listening to Wow.
	I am your host, Steven Crowder.
	Thank you so much for being with us, and of course, you are welcome for free content.
	Fun Dip, you're having a good morning this morning?
	Oh yeah, I'm not doing too shabby at all.
	Had the opportunity to have a Dr. Pepper on the way in, so that's a good way to start the day.
	It's a horrible way to start the day.
	6 a.m.
	What are you talking about?
	I got caffeine.
	I got sugar.
	I got carbonation.
	It's perfect.
	Once I get my coffee, then I'm going to be all set.
	I'm going to have that anyways.
	Have you seen me?
	I am going to die at 50 without having to shoot myself.
	That's how it's going to work.
	I'm going to...
	Merry Christmas!
	What wild energy.
	Yeah.
	Highs, high highs, and low lows.
	That was Steven giggling?
	Yeah.
	Wild.
	That was something I noticed.
	He was a lot more generous of giving laughs to people.
	Yeah.
	Which maybe comes from his discomfort with the show in general.
	Yeah.
	It could be that.
	It could also be that maybe he just was happier back then.
	He could have been happy.
	There's something kind of amazing about...
	No kids, no wife.
	Fun Dip?
	Fun Dip really did sell me on Dr. Pepper.
	Carbonation, sugar, and caffeine?
	Well, here's what I'll say.
	If you start your day with, I had the opportunity to have a Dr. Pepper, that's a positive outlook on life.
	That's true.
	You're right.
	That's framing, for sure.
	You know how some people are like, don't talk to me until you get my coffee?
	Sure, sure.
	He's like, hey, you know, if the stars align, I'll have a soda.
	I get to have a Dr. Pepper.
	I don't have to have a Dr. Pepper.
	I don't recall if I cut it, but I do know that he is not done talking about this Dr. Pepper.
	I love it.
	You guys see a liquid death drop in a Dr. Pepper?
	And a Coke.
	Whoa!
	I'll have to reach out to those guys.
	I know some of those guys.
	We'll see if we can get a couple of those bars on the table.
	And Stephen goes into detail being like, how do you even, why Dr. Pepper?
	And he said, you know what?
	I opened up the fridge.
	I didn't know what was inside.
	But I was surprised to see it and happy to have it.
	That's so nice.
	Yeah, I really enjoyed that.
	I thought that was a nice, like you said, great outlook on life.
	There's been a lot to laugh about in the news, at least.
	Oh, man, I tell you what.
	You know, everyone's heard about the North Korea hacking scandal, but have you heard that it may actually not have been North Korea?
	Have you heard this?
	I did not hear that.
	Every sign has been pointing to North Korea.
	Except for the fact that they don't have computers.
	That's first sign number one.
	Well, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
	They definitely have computers.
	So you remember November 24th, 2014, when a hacking group calling themselves the Guardians of Peace hacked, do you remember this?
	Sony Picture Entertainment Computer Systems?
	Oh, maybe.
	This is really interesting.
	I'm surprised that we've all forgot about this, because I did it as well.
	Remember the film The Interview, starring Seth Rogen, and how North Korea was really pissed about it?
	To release, I think, on Christmas Day.
	They hacked it to try and delete it?
	Yeah, to remove it, remember?
	I don't remember that.
	Yeah, they leaked a bunch of confidential data, including employee emails, personal information, salaries of the executives, and unreleased films.
	I don't remember the films that were unreleased.
	Six alien movies that didn't get...
	They were all shelved.
	By the way, can we cut that Dan...
	Clip.
	Whatever he said, they got us so excited.
	What did he say?
	Oh, man, I tell you what.
	Can we just cut the, oh, man, I tell you what.
	That's pretty soundboard.
	That's a great soundboard.
	Soundboard worthy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Apparently, they stole about 100 terabytes of data.
	The bandwidth.
	That surprised me the most.
	That's a long upload time.
	So they consider this retaliation for Sony's film, The Interview, which is, yeah, the comedy about the assassination plot of Kim Jong-un.
	And they demanded that Sony withdraw the film from release, which Sony kind of caved.
	Yeah, right.
	It came out, like, a few months later, but maybe on, like, VOD. Which is, yeah, this was one of the first instances of a major release being put out on VOD. And it was quite successful.
	Yeah.
	Stephen's saying that this could potentially be China.
	I don't know how serious he is about it.
	He said the FBI wasn't so sure, but the FBI eventually did attribute this to a hack from North Korea, citing evidence like similarities in malware composition to previous North Korean attacks.
	The use of IP addresses originating in North Korea, which, I mean, could be...
	Run a VPN in North Korea.
	I want less freedom on the internet.
	I'm going to run it through North Korea.
	And then the NSA, they had their own cyber intrusion.
	But who are you going to trust, though?
	Oh, great point.
	NSA, FBI, or Stephen Crowder?
	Do you remember when Vice went to North Korea and they were in the computer lab and all those people were just moving the mouse around on the Windows screen?
	Like a Windows 3.1?
	Yeah, that was weird.
	And they were just wiggling.
	They're like, I'm browsing the internet.
	And it's like...
	No, you're not.
	No, no, these computers aren't hooked up.
	You have the application mouse cursor.
	Yeah, that was their hacking team.
	I saw a video of somebody just riding a bike around North Korea, and it was just like, riding a bike around the city.
	There were no ads anywhere.
	There were no signs on any buildings.
	It was like a video game.
	Sounds beautiful to me.
	It was really interesting.
	Yeah, I think it must have been a slow news week, though.
	But there are people trying to say now that it actually wasn't North Korea, that it could be...
	They could say China.
	There could be a multitude of countries here at play who are doing this.
	They don't seem to think now when people comb through the messages, they seem to think it's not North Korea.
	I don't agree with that.
	I think it is pretty straightforward, and I think it's North Korea because they did ask for money.
	I think it's probably a couple of teenage kids in Los Gatos, California.
	It's a couple of kids from San Dimas.
	Is Encino Man?
	Yeah, slow week again.
	Their comedy used to be better.
	I mean, kind of, yeah.
	It is different when you're not paying three people to laugh about it.
	They were trying to make jokes about things and not make jokes about just racist stuff.
	Orientations, yeah.
	So Stephen agrees that it was likely North Korea, but for a different reason.
	He just said because they wanted money.
	Why do you think they want money?
	They wanted James Franco's job.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Seems something very much like North Korea would do.
	Like, okay, you give us money before you can make fun of a crap country!
	You know, like, no other country would be willing to take a bribe considering their national pride.
	Well, you never know nowadays.
	I have no idea.
	Still working on that accent, though.
	That accent sounded like one of the guys from the movie Mulan.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Maybe he was a voice actor from Mulan.
	He could have been.
	He could have been an expert.
	But I will say, one thing that I like about this is that I know when the clip has ended or not because they haven't fixed any hum in their studios.
	No, it's real buzzy over there.
	Yeah, real rough.
	Do you remember early Netflix when it first went to streaming in like 20...
	2010, 2009 or something.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I remember I had just gotten dumped and I was in Los Angeles and I was watching Arrested Development.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	It was great.
	National Lampoons had a cartoon on there called Mr. Wong.
	Oh.
	Terribly racist cartoon about a butler who got sold with a house and he's like an old Asian man.
	Okay.
	I'm like wondering if...
	That's where he's inspired by?
	I feel like if this is just a couple years after that, that was probably still available to Steven.
	I'm sure it was his favorite cartoon.
	When I mentioned Mulan, it's very specifically when they arrive at the village and say, you need to send all the people in.
	There's this one very intense Chinese guy who's kind of like the secretary of the captain.
	The Rob Schneider of Mulan.
	Kind of.
	He sounded just like that guy.
	I wasn't just being broadly like, sounds like Chinese.
	I don't believe that anyone assumed that.
	I do want to talk about Christmas.
	I'm a huge Christmas guy, and I don't want to get into the war on Christmas.
	That's what everyone else will be talking about.
	No one's saying Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays.
	Okay, it's a little bit played out.
	But it is most certainly not the last time he'll talk about the war on Christmas.
	You know, over the course of 10 years.
	I love that, because he's very much like a, people getting offended by shit is dumb, and then he made a career out of that.
	Yeah.
	Wow, Stephen.
	He's a gentler man back then, or a more insecure man.
	Yeah.
	He didn't know what really got people riled up yet.
	He was testing, you know.
	Don't forget, it is also Hanukkah right now.
	That started on the 16th.
	It's Hanukkah right now.
	It is Hanukkah.
	Happy Hanukkah.
	Ramadan, whatever.
	If you celebrate the silly, non-actual holiday in Kwanzaa.
	I hope it's not fun.
	Because you don't deserve it.
	It's not a real holiday.
	Do you know anything about Kwanzaa?
	It started in the 60s, I think it was.
	Yeah, by a racist.
	Man, I tell you what.
	He's really good at those.
	That's another great...
	Man, I tell you what.
	Kwanzaa's not fake.
	Or racist.
	But, yeah, people like Stephen refuse to believe that because it was created in 1966 that it's real.
	Just because it's not a traditional African holiday doesn't mean that it's not a real holiday.
	That's how culture, when it shifts, it changes and traditions and celebrations continue to exist or be created.
	Well, I think Stephen just doesn't care.
	He doesn't care to learn about that.
	That's probably true.
	Also, this year, by the way, Hanukkah and Christmas are the same day.
	Which is exciting.
	Thank you for pointing that out.
	Happy Hanukkah, Jerry.
	Thank you.
	Happy Hanukkah.
	My mom didn't put the menorah out.
	What a fucker.
	Just so you guys know, this is a hard pivot, but I want you guys to know that somebody got a Smokey Robinson cameo for a friend for Hanukkah.
	Uh-huh.
	And he said...
	Oh, Chinooka.
	Happy Chinooka.
	I like Chinooka.
	I don't know what that is.
	That's a classic.
	Happy Chinooka.
	I love happy Chinooka.
	It was wild.
	So I don't know about racists, but I do know that the founder was convicted of assault and false imprisonment in 19...
	1971, and that is, I think, what he's pointing out as a source of criticism for the holiday, but I don't see how that's terribly relevant.
	I think that Stephen just wants to be controversial.
	He's testing his controversial waters there.
	He said the exact same thing this year about Kwanzaa.
	He says it every year.
	Great.
	What's the newest holiday?
	The newest holiday ever?
	I mean, of the...
	Like the winter holidays?
	I don't know, Festivus?
	The Seinfeld one is probably newer.
	Yeah, from the 90s.
	Yes, airing of grievances.
	Let's start a new one right now.
	I got a lot of problems with you people!
	Well, let's think about it while we listen to this clip.
	We'll be making the historical case for Christmas.
	We have a Christian apologist here.
	So, did Jesus exist?
	Was he born in December?
	What kind of historical impact did he have?
	Why do we celebrate it?
	Is there actual physiological scientific evidence for Jesus and the birth of Christ?
	Which I don't think you'll be hearing in a lot of other radio shows.
	What is this, Stephen?
	Well, that's what we're going to be talking about tonight with a Christian apologist.
	Nice.
	Before we jump into this, I don't know how necessary it is for us to be debunking the Christian faith.
	We will be doing a little bit of that, but I don't care for the most part what people believe unless you're a fucking scary dipshit like these guys.
	So I want to make that really clear up top.
	Yeah, I think that you're allowed to believe whatever you want.
	Sure.
	I always just draw the line where if your beliefs affect somebody else, like if your beliefs say I can't marry somebody.
	Or your beliefs say, I can't do this job that I said I could do.
	Those are important things.
	Yeah.
	And then, of course, the big thing in the news, Jeb Bush is exploring.
	That's the last thing we need.
	We're really not going to talk about that.
	They don't even really talk about it.
	They just don't want another Bush.
	Yeah, this is...
	I can't believe this is pre-Jeb Bush.
	Right?
	Please clap.
	Please clap.
	Is that me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	That's not how this is supposed to go.
	Buddy.
	Alright.
	Yeah, no one wants another Bush, but they do want five Trumps.
	Yeah, they're preparing themselves for that.
	This is going to be really fun, yeah.
	I'm pretty sure you guys can guess where I line up.
	I'm not a huge...
	I'm not a huge George Bush fan.
	Not George Bush, Jeb Bush fan.
	I'm actually not a huge George Bush fan.
	Listen, wartime president, 9-11, God bless him.
	I'm very appreciative of everything that he's done.
	But he was not very conservative, okay?
	The guy was still a big part of the bailouts, and Jeb Bush is even less conservative, and he got on a platform.
	With the gentleman for whom, here, even that we talk about, who does a show sometimes during the week, and sometimes on a Friday, yours truly hosts a show.
	Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, say no more.
	And they got on platforms promoting and profiting from Common Core.
	Stephen is so lazy in this.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't want to talk about anything.
	He has no passion, no drive.
	Well, I mean, especially considering the only news stories that he prepared were the North Korean hack of Sony and Jeb Bush potentially running for president.
	And we've already made it through both those things.
	But we still got about another hour of show to go.
	It wasn't until February 20th of 2016 that Jeb Bush decided to suspend his presidential campaign, so there's a bit of a runway here.
	Sure.
	But yeah, he finished fourth at the South Carolina Republican primary and made his announcement shortly after that, saying, tonight I'm suspending my campaign.
	Nice.
	I wonder who he's going to bring back.
	I would like to see him try.
	I'd like to see him try.
	He raised over $150 million for his campaign.
	The amount of money in politics when people are running is wild, man.
	Oh, my power bar will fill out?
	It's okay.
	This is a regular Steven Crowder on Skype moment, isn't it?
	Yeah, what is this?
	Come on.
	Go to a commercial break.
	If you're anything like me, you enjoy a good glass of wine.
	But finding the right kind can be a hassle.
	Or maybe you want to buy a nice bottle as a gift but don't know where to start.
	That's where simplified wine comes in.
	Simplified wine makes buying good wine simple.
	Simplified wine was...
	Bon Vino before it.
	Simplified Wine.
	Simplified Wine was the name of Gerald Morgan's company in which they...
	It's like an online sommelier.
	Great.
	I don't even like wine.
	It's just my calling.
	I didn't want to do this, but now I have to do it to him.
	He had to do it to him, and we have to return to the show.
	It's been a rough morning, and I'm going to have to end it with a staff to the Apple store.
	Oh, yeah.
	Still fixed.
	Get my phone fixed.
	Oh gosh, it is one of those days.
	It's the end of the year.
	This is the last show of the year.
	It's the end of the world as we know it.
	It's the end of the world as we know it.
	Another Canadian band, the Barenaked Ladies.
	What?
	He thought that end of the world as you know it was the Barenaked Ladies, not R.E.M. Huh.
	Athens, Georgia is nowhere near Canada.
	I'll be honest.
	Wow.
	Really?
	That's such a dumb...
	That one was really shocking.
	He probably downloaded it on Napster when he was growing up.
	Totally.
	It's labeled there, yes.
	Oh, Rage Against the Machine again?
	Oh, man.
	Yesterday morning for breakfast, I had the best Reuben.
	It was so good.
	I love this guy.
	Why?
	For a multitude of reasons, Fun Dip, you shouldn't have to have me tell...
	You just said I had a Reuben for breakfast, and you're asking me why I'm shaming you.
	What's wrong with that?
	It had sauerkraut on it, it had bread, it had meat.
	It was perfect.
	I know what a Reuben is.
	The conversation is not...
	Hey, Fun Dip, can you tell me what a Reuben is?
	The conversation is shame.
	Oh, what should I eat for breakfast?
	See, you know what's...
	That's a good question.
	People are going to tell me that I'm shaming and I shouldn't, but I believe that I should because I'm saving your life.
	So, I mean, he's offering advice, so we'll call it that.
	Here's an idea for breakfast.
	Eat anything that's not a Reuben.
	Okay, so go back to my hot dogs.
	Okay.
	I love this guy.
	He fucking rules.
	He's a philosopher.
	He is a philosopher, I agree.
	I like that he points out, like, yeah, he again points out the ingredients of the thing that he's talking about.
	Yeah.
	When he says it like that, like, yeah, why not?
	Well, here's the thing.
	Why not anything for breakfast?
	Yeah.
	Why have we as a society decided breakfast foods?
	You know, like the Action Bronson line from the new record where he's like, I just eat like what a rhinoceros eats.
	Oh, interesting.
	And it's just sort of, it doesn't matter if it's like, you know, morning, noon, or night.
	It doesn't matter, man.
	It's like the type of food that you consume.
	I don't care at all.
	Beautiful.
	Katz's Deli Reuben for the first day of Hanukkah.
	Oh, wow.
	Gold-bellied it over.
	I was just going to ask.
	Did you gold-bellied that?
	Excellent.
	Yeah, it was really good.
	Sauerkraut, deli mustard.
	We got a little jar of Russian dressing on there.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I don't like fermented things.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's okay.
	With pickle?
	When you grow up, your taste will change, right?
	When I grow up, when I grow older.
	I ate a half-sour pickle, and it ruined my day.
	I guess I have problems with cucumbers.
	Sure.
	But no, like, pickles are fine.
	Sometimes the skin will cause trouble for certain people.
	Yeah, I was like Homer Simpson burp barf.
	Oh, that sucks.
	It was awful.
	Keep that sound in mind.
	It's Christmas time, and you have the lights, and you enjoy it, you know, right, obviously, and then you have some of the Christians just going, the reason for this season is Jesus, but they don't really know what that means.
	So we are going to bring on my friend, who actually teaches Christian apologetics across the country at churches.
	And is pretty well versed in this good friend of mine, good friend of the show, to make the historical and scientific case for Jesus.
	Gerald Morgan, thank you for being with us.
	Whoa, Gerald's here.
	Episode four.
	Was this the first time he'd been on?
	I mean, this is episode four.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, they'd been friends before this, but we've got Gerald Morgan in studio.
	Do we know how they met?
	No, I actually don't.
	I'd be really curious about how they, like the moment they were like, hey, what's up?
	I'm Gerald.
	I think maybe conversion something.
	I don't know.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Absolutely.
	And this is really a simple argument.
	Anybody that wrote a check yesterday, congratulations.
	You believe in the historical Jesus.
	This is true.
	You wrote the date on there.
	Right?
	We have a calendar that went by...
	Before Christ?
	Oh, I didn't even think about that.
	I was thinking like writing a check to the church.
	No.
	I wasn't even thinking about the date.
	I'm two steps ahead of you here.
	You are.
	That's crazy.
	You're never hosting my show.
	That's not true at all.
	But yeah, if you wrote the year 2014 on anything, you basically are saying, yeah, we changed the calendar based on the birth of this guy.
	Last time I checked, we didn't change the calendar based on any Teletubbies or anything.
	So we've got a Christian magician here really fucking with my mind.
	Yeah, you know, I wrote the date on my checks.
	For one, I haven't written a check in a long time.
	But I always wrote the date on my checks just based on the societal date that we have.
	The number doesn't matter to me.
	The society that we live actively in, yes.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	And the thing is, the way that our date structure...
	Sure.
	When checks came around, they're like, alright, cool, let's write our first ever check, and what year is it?
	I mean, we could all decide right now to start it over.
	Let's start it over right now, yeah.
	Get rid of daylight savings time.
	We can do all kinds of stuff.
	Trunt's trying to do that, so yeah.
	Let's do one month, okay?
	Yes.
	Just one month, that's 365 days long.
	Uh-huh.
	Sure.
	We're changing it all, dude.
	It's interesting, why not?
	Worlduary.
	What a dumb fucking start, right?
	I know, really dumb.
	Hey, listen, did you know that you actually admitted?
	You're actually a Christian.
	You admitted Jesus.
	What?
	Right now.
	What are you talking about?
	If you wrote a check, that means that you're a Christian.
	That's right.
	All of the Jews in the United States, they practice Christianity by writing the date.
	That's amazing.
	That's true.
	The Hasids, me.
	All of us.
	Gerald, continue with your brilliant points before the Reuben-eating, Dr. Pepper-drinking loser.
	You know, I hate to bring up Bill Cosby, but he made me think of the whole Bill Cosby chocolate cake for breakfast thing when he said Reuben.
	That is great.
	The only thing that could possibly be worse would be that.
	These guys are so fucking judgy.
	Well, yeah, I mean, didn't we just go through an entire...
	But he still loves Bill Cosby.
	You know, he was a Bill Cosby supporter.
	The last episode we did...
	A truther.
	Well, hang tight, my dude.
	The last...
	Last episode we covered, Stephen was saying, we need to be a culture of shame.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	His stance on that is just further solidified and become a lot more dangerous.
	Well, this is just such a dumb take.
	Who fucking cares what fun dip eats?
	That's the thing.
	There's a lot of things that people care about in the whole world.
	Yeah.
	A lot of things people care about that you just don't need to care about.
	Like all those dumb things like fashion and stuff.
	You know, it's like, why are we getting so judgy about that person eating what they're eating?
	It doesn't matter.
	Most things.
	Anything.
	I don't have a hot dog for breakfast.
	Transgender folks?
	Non-binary folks?
	You think they're dressed weird?
	Who fucking gives a shit?
	Yeah, if the guy wearing a dress, shame him.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Great.
	Why, dude?
	Why?
	Stupid.
	Pointless.
	Dumb.
	Very insecure takes.
	Very insecure takes.
	So Stephen has a lot of comedy touchstones, right?
	And we just discussed a gentleman who, as I mentioned at the top of the show, Hannibal Buress, just had that moment where he discussed more openly the accusations surrounding Bill Cosby.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And this was the year that things were kind of taken off in that direction.
	Sure.
	Which means it's a good opportunity to, you know, discuss and go through in painstaking detail one of Bill Cosby's bits, of course, right?
	Of course, yeah.
	And you've got to do it in his voice, right?
	You have to.
	For those of you who don't remember that bit, Bill Cosby was talking about making his children breakfast.
	And he said, I remember when he started off, he said, you know, my wife was gone, and for those of you who don't know, your child...
	Can see through your body and find the wrong thing.
	And when I asked my daughter what did she want for breakfast, she looked at me and she saw through my body and saw the chocolate cake.
	And she said, Dad, can I have the chocolate cake for breakfast?
	And I looked upon the chocolate cake.
	And I want eggs!
	Eggs!
	And milk!
	And wheat!
	That's nutrition!
	Slice it for her!
	And served it!
	And all my children who were having chocolate cake for breakfast were singing my praises until she came down.
	He goes into the bit about his wife.
	It's just, you know, it's classic if it just weren't for the whole rape thing.
	But, Gerald, go ahead.
	That's the biggest, well, other than that thing that I've heard.
	So, yeah, no, there's plenty of really, really cool evidence.
	That was the worst Bill Cosby impression I've ever heard in my entire life.
	It was also one of the longest.
	It was so long.
	He mentioned the run time I did.
	I was like, is this almost over?
	Holy shit, we got three minutes left.
	Yeah, he really just tried to do the whole thing.
	Yeah, and then he bowed out later on.
	And then he does the bit about...
	He does the bit about the wife.
	The eyes, man.
	I'm an anxious guy.
	The weight of the gaze of people during that, I can feel it.
	Horrifying.
	I'm surprised and honestly kind of impressed that he was able to do that for a full minute.
	Seriously.
	The guy in the booth just like...
	Doing the dog eyes.
	I will say just quickly while we're on this note about breakfast and chocolate cake.
	Do you want to get some breakfast?
	I would love to get some chocolate cake.
	But there is...
	Your chocolate cake!
	That was worse.
	That was worse.
	I know.
	But there's a place somewhere, I think in Billings, Montana, that has like a vacation breakfast is on their menu and it's like a slice of chocolate cake and a milkshake or something like that.
	Yeah, I can see.
	Yeah, rules.
	Well, boys, it's time to talk about our Lord and Savior, Jesus.
	Stephen Crowder.
	What?
	My brothers in Christ.
	Let's do this.
	People will first and foremost come out and say that Christmas was not when Jesus was born.
	And to that I say, duh.
	Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
	We know that.
	But it's kind of like me saying, hey, Stephen, you know what?
	You're not in town.
	I know your birthday's on this day.
	Let's celebrate it on another day when you're around.
	To some degree, right?
	Not even a little bit.
	That's not why they decided to move the holiday to that.
	So for one, I don't even know why the holiday is the day it is.
	I'll explain it in a second.
	Does he do a good job?
	Does he do it justice, actually?
	Not at all, of course.
	So Dennis is going to get the real...
	I'll get the real...
	But what I love about this is he's like, that's obviously not the day Jesus was born, right?
	No, I mean, I still think most Christians probably believe that, right?
	Does anyone think, like, Oh, this day is obvious.
	You wake up and go, this obviously is the day that happened.
	Does anyone think it's obvious?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if most people think too much about it, right?
	I don't think about it at all.
	I think if you're trying to disprove it or something, you're like, these Christian try-hards, they don't even know what's going on.
	These are pagan holidays.
	Yes, which we will talk about now.
	We picked a day, and there's historical reasons why we picked December 25th, and yes, maybe they're not the best reasons they were.
	We're pagan holidays.
	We were doing stuff kind of in the time of the Romans.
	We're trying to bring people in from those other pagan religions to, you know, save their lives.
	I've heard, isn't it the reason that we celebrate it in December?
	Maybe because that's when the Babylonians most likely celebrated the winter solstice?
	There's that, and then there's also a Roman holiday that was out there that was like a week-long holiday.
	I love that movie!
	That ended on the 25th.
	I think it was somewhere around the 17th or 18th through the 25th.
	It wasn't a great holiday because they actually got a guy, and they picked these innocent people.
	They fed them and had all kinds of...
	Inappropriate sexual activity for the week and then killed them at the end of the week.
	So a very, very bad pagan holiday.
	But your last week of life was great.
	So if you know you're going to go out, sign up for that program, right?
	Get that last weekend.
	Eat whatever you want.
	Do whatever you want.
	It does sound wonderful, doesn't it?
	Why don't you go die?
	Fun dip-ass bitch.
	Did you ever consider your Reuben-eating asses days are over?
	Yeah.
	So, Jared, you seemed surprised that Gerald was able to point out that they just stole it from pagans in an attempt to erase their holiday and replace it with their own.
	Yeah, their own, yeah.
	I'm glad that he's...
	Through pressure, coercion, and violence, probably.
	Well, he just talked about it.
	You get, like, one cool week.
	I'm sure that was just a very specific pagan celebration.
	Celebrate the flesh.
	And I don't believe that it wrapped up with ritual sacrifice every time.
	I think that might have just been something that's...
	One bad group.
	Or that Christians exaggerated as an attempt to make people afraid of pagans.
	Yeah, of course.
	Or to make them seem like less.
	I think they just really appreciated that those guys were having more fun than they were.
	Yeah, they were bummed out by that.
	I think Gerald goes into it a little bit more.
	After, of course, a story where Stephen discusses an embarrassing moment where he was attempting to explain the concept of debauchery.
	I worked at, you know, like you talk about, basically you're talking about the sort of week of gluttony, right?
	Yeah.
	Lifetime for me.
	I taught children, youth group.
	I worked with kids at a youth group, and the subject came up.
	We were talking about debauchery.
	We were reading about sins and stuff and debauchery, and the kids said, well, what's debauchery?
	So this is where I had to teach them, and I tried to put my historical cap on.
	This is not going to go well.
	And I swear to you, this is what actually...
	So I told the story, but that's not the funny part.
	So he goes, what's debauchery?
	And I said, well, actually, debauchery comes from the word Bacchus, where they worshipped the god of Bacchus.
	And they would have these giant parties where they would worship the god of Bacchus.
	And things would become so immoral, basically, they would do all kinds of drugs, they would get drunk, and they would have these giant orgy sex parties to worship the god of Bacchus, and it would actually get so crazy, there would be such a mass of people in these drug-induced orgies that people would lose limbs, arms, or legs, and that was what debauchery was.
	Man, sounds like Haight-Ashbury.
	And I stop, and so this is a room full of 12-year-olds.
	And the room goes quiet for a second.
	What?
	Some kid, just his mind, what?
	His mind had been blown.
	He's thinking of some guy losing his arm in a naked pile of humans.
	But that's where it comes from, worshipping the god of Bacchus.
	And that's actually pretty constant in any kind of pagan religion.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	And they would actually go outside and be talking to one another and then throw up all over the side so that they could go back in and eat.
	I told you to remember that.
	That's it.
	Mr. Crowder, what's an orgy?
	What?
	I have a similar what to that child because none of that is actually accurate.
	No, dude.
	Here's the thing.
	Back in the olden times, you'd just fuck so hard their legs would fall off.
	Yeah, they were not built very well.
	I'm honest.
	You ever have a toy that you just shake it so hard that the...
	Dumb falls off the dump truck.
	Yeah, sure.
	That's what happened to people back then.
	It was like, you know, our bones were a little loosey-goosey, so like, you know.
	Real singly.
	So, the etymology of debauchery can be traced back to...
	Bacchus.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Loosely.
	1640s, derived from the verb debauch, combined with the suffix, uri.
	Okay.
	Of course.
	The verb debauch entered the English language in the 1590s, originating from the French word debaucheur.
	Nice.
	I don't think I did that right.
	That's okay.
	Which meant to entice from work or duty.
	Yeah.
	The French term itself came from the old French, debauchement, meaning to lead astray.
	The root of debauch is uncertain, but there are two main theories.
	It may have come from the word meaning to trim wood or to make a beam, which is the notion of shaving something away.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I know what we shave.
	Excuse me?
	What?
	Okay.
	Also related to the word workshop, which is interesting, suggesting the idea of luring someone away from their work.
	Okay.
	But of course the suffix, like I said, URI, E-R-Y, is used in English to form nouns, denoting a place, art, practice, or condition.
	So debauchery literally means the state of practice of debauching or excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures, not directly this Bacchus.
	Max Bacchus.
	Sure.
	Former senator.
	It was a real clown ass, I think.
	Yeah, a real piece of shit.
	Regarding its connection to the pagan god Bacchus, debauchery itself isn't directly linked to the specific deity, but it is kind of associated with certain gods of various mythologies.
	Debauchery, the concept.
	Like Stephen mentioned, the Roman Bacchus or the Greece Dionysus.
	That's the root of my name.
	Dionysus?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	The god of wine, which is funny.
	Yeah, the god of wine.
	Considering that I am a teetotaler.
	The god of wine, fertility, and ritual madness.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's also an Aztec god associated with lust and sexual impurity, but yeah, these gods, while they do embody aspects of what could be considered debauchery, the word itself is not originating from podcast.
	What I love is how far Stephen went with that story.
	He could have been like, debauchery is like when people party too much and are inappropriate and drink.
	Instead, he's like, people fuck so hard, so long.
	So you can extrapolate even further.
	They're just doing it for the heat, dude.
	Exactly.
	It's cold out there.
	Christmas time.
	It's crazy how they had no heat back then.
	They just had to have some, just like a wheelbarrow.
	You can probably cut this, but when you were like, I wonder what they're shaving, and all I could think of was, like a sign of the time is that they were cutting their pubes into having Caesars.
	Like the Caesar haircut.
	What he's talking about loosely is bacchanalia, which is the worship of Bacchus, which is, again, Dionysus in Greek mythology, which involved elaborate and often controversial rituals.
	Controversial because, of course, history is written by the winners and the winner.
	It's Christianity.
	So the practice took place in secret, typically in secluded groves or sanctuaries, and involved, like they said, intoxication.
	Wine played a huge role in this celebration.
	What is it?
	The god of wine, right?
	Participants consuming large quantities to induce altered states of consciousness.
	Wild frenzy dancing was a core element of these rituals as well.
	Interesting you say that.
	Drums, pipes, tambourines.
	Of course.
	rhythmic accompaniment so it led to trance states like Trance music.
	The wine, the music, the sandstorm.
	Darude.
	Worshippers attempted to achieve a state of ecstasis, attempting to become one with God at these rituals.
	Okay, so it's basically like an olden day Burning Man.
	They're just doing the substance.
	Yeah, in some cases, this is where Stephen gets things all fucked up in his head.
	As an infant?
	Yeah.
	Was he a god of wine before he even grew up?
	I guess he became a wine, a god after that?
	I don't know.
	I didn't read about...
	I don't know how it works.
	Is Dionysus a man or a woman?
	I don't remember what it's depicted as.
	I think a man.
	Listen, see, this shows our ignorance.
	If it's a god, it's a man, all right?
	If I'm named after it, I don't know.
	I mean, if we're having ignorance competition, I think it's okay.
	Stephen wins.
	Of course, with all that fun in the era, there were problems, but yeah, controversy like this was overblown by folks trying to convert these pigs.
	Broadly speaking, just what I say about all of this is that Stephen had this conversation with children.
	Yeah, 12-year-olds.
	In the worst way.
	Maybe not appropriate.
	I'm at youth group.
	Gerald's sitting right behind me, rubbing my shoulders.
	I'm telling these kids, these 12-year-olds, about an orgy.
	So cool.
	It would be like if you went to sex ed in fifth grade and they're like, so this is a dick.
	You know what I mean?
	All right.
	Day two.
	Anal sex.
	Let's talk it out.
	Then you're showing pictures on your fucking phone.
	I'm actually using a VPN right now because this shit's illegal and wrong.
	Yeah, pass it around.
	Don't swipe, don't swipe, but pass it around.
	It was likely, I should say, that there was possible sexual misconduct at events like this.
	Of course there were.
	Clearly.
	Violent acts, murder, but most certainly people weren't losing their limbs ritualistically and often.
	Of course not.
	Could have been.
	What are you, one of the Roman authorities?
	What's the statue that's missing the arms?
	Isn't that Aphrodite or whatever?
	She was missing her arms.
	And she was like the goddess of love, so she must have been just, you know, going to pound town.
	You don't need them hands where she's going.
	And then the vomiting.
	So the vomiting thing, that was more of a Roman practice.
	The vomitorium.
	Yeah, well, they had banquets that could last for hours and participants, of course, the wealthy participants, you know, having a good time would eat and drink to excess.
	And vomiting between courses was a common practice to make room for more food.
	So hosts would provide them a room close to the dining hall, a barf room, where...
	The guests would vomit with the assistance of slaves.
	So they're just tickling the back of the throat?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I didn't dig too deep into it.
	That's wild.
	Do you guys tongue scrape when you brush your teeth?
	No.
	I've been doing it for a decade or something more.
	Do you save it all?
	No, it's disgusting.
	No, my partner does the tongue brush.
	I don't touch the tongue.
	I don't brush it.
	I have like a metal tool that just scrapes off.
	And today I've been a little snotty coffee a little bit.
	Just being up here has kind of wrecked my sinuses.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, nature.
	I did it earlier today.
	You barred?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, no!
	Nice.
	That's too bad.
	I had to re-brush my teeth.
	Nice.
	Who was helping you?
	Yeah, did you have somebody help me?
	Were you in the bar for him?
	Yeah, he gave me the fingers.
	All right.
	Clearly, Stephen, I'm glad he left that.
	I can't believe Stephen taught children.
	Yeah, I'm glad he's no longer doing that because it seemed like he was not that good at it and very kind of misleading and scary.
	Yeah.
	So then he runs through some kind of scattered examples of the writings of Jesus and how people were...
	We'll just talk about it.
	For those who don't necessarily believe right away, you're saying there are...
	I guess, extracurricular sources for people who may say, well, I don't believe in the Bible.
	There are other sources historically that are not biblical at all.
	That corroborate.
	Yeah, these guys are not believers.
	The two historians are not believers at all.
	In fact, Josephus is pretty far from it, in fact.
	And so were the Romans, basically, at this time.
	So if these guys are mentioning, hey, there's this guy named Jesus over in Nazareth and, you know, in Israel or, you know, in Judea that was doing that, then you know that this guy actually did exist.
	So two people wrote about Jesus outside of the Bible.
	Okay.
	What are they trying to prove right now?
	I've lost sight of what they're trying to prove.
	Gerald is trying to prove the existence of Jesus, which is fine.
	If he wants to debate the, you know, historical existence of Jesus, that's different than arguing his relevance and also the fact that he's the son of God.
	Well, here's the thing.
	You can't call it faith and then try and argue its existence because then you just call it knowledge.
	Like, I don't...
	Christian apologist, of course.
	He's going to do his best to do the deep research, and that's what we're going to be talking about for a little bit.
	But, of course, the advocate of the devil is in the room, and his name is fun.
	Now, I don't find it hard to believe in the existence of Jesus himself.
	The biggest problem is trying to believe in God.
	That seems harder to grasp as I've fallen away from the churches that I used to attend.
	How does one wrap their head around an all-powerful God?
	I understand Jesus existing as a man, but, you know, devil's advocate in the question.
	How do you wrap your head around God, though?
	That's a really good question, Fundup, and it's a very common question because what you basically just said is that how can something that's finite, like us, believe in something infinite?
	We can't even comprehend that just on spec, right?
	So that's a really good question.
	I'm going to take it very, very, very quickly just to point out that there has to be something.
	You can basically go back.
	If you believe that evolution was the way the world came about, whatever it is, I'm not going to debate that at all.
	Big Bang happens.
	Something happened before the Big Bang to cause it.
	And you can go back, but you can't go back for infinity.
	You have to have a first mover.
	And even science says you have to have a first mover.
	They don't want to call it God.
	Well, and the creator, of course, is Big Guy with White Beard.
	Big Guy with White Beard, absolutely.
	I also love that he started that with, you know, that's a great question, funded.
	No, no, I think that that's a technique that he uses.
	It's like a door-opening way that he probably communicates with a lot of people.
	It's disarming, for sure, because people are like...
	It was a good question.
	I'm glad I think I'm smart.
	Thank you for leading with me being correct.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll be more willing to accept the thing you're saying.
	Yeah.
	It's really funny because in that answer he's talking about how it's hard to conceptualize infinite.
	And he's like, there can't be anything before nothing.
	With the concept of infinite, there can be.
	Well, this is a concept called the god of the gaps.
	Are you familiar with this?
	Sure.
	Sure, yeah.
	You've got to fill in the questions you can't answer.
	You attribute gaps in scientific understanding to divine intervention.
	Yeah.
	Because you don't know what happened before the Big Bang, and you can't indefinitely go backwards.
	You can, though.
	Well, that's the thing.
	You really can, but your understanding of that becomes less and less as you go.
	Yeah.
	Which makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Doesn't mean that there's a white-bearded man creating the world.
	No, I'm a firm believer in that a lot of people use God to answer questions that they don't have the answer to.
	Because for a lot of people, I don't know is something they don't want to say.
	But I ain't a chimp.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll tell you right now.
	If there's evolution's real, why is there still monkeys around?
	Great point.
	That's a great point, Dennis.
	That's a great point.
	And if why are the monkeys around, why aren't they turning into washing machines?
	True.
	Very true.
	Yeah, we did stop.
	Why not robots?
	Yeah.
	So, great.
	Question funded.
	Do you think that when God started, a long time ago, back when God started?
	Back in the day.
	Why did he make so much stuff before he made people who looked just like him?
	In his image?
	Was Earth his debut release?
	Was it his first wife?
	No, he had dinosaurs first.
	On Earth 2. Earth 1, this is Earth 2. But why was he just like, you know what?
	I've made too much shit that doesn't look like me.
	I want to make stuff that looks like me.
	I'm handsome.
	Give me a podcast, Mike.
	We are just clay in his hands, boys.
	Yeah, it's a really funny thing to think about.
	It is funny.
	So let's say that, right?
	Let's all agree here, because I was the same way you were, Fun Dip, and you know I don't always talk on air about my faith so much.
	I am a Christian, but I usually believe in making arguments that aren't based on my faith because I know they don't appeal to necessarily other people.
	So we all agree that It's more likely, if you have to do the math, that something put this in motion.
	So let's call that God.
	So then what that comes down to is given the information we have available to us, what is the most likely case?
	Where are we pointed to as far as who that God is?
	And we'll go to a break here, but we will come back and continue with the historical case for Christmas and Jesus.
	And I'm glad you have these questions, Fundip.
	I think the listener at home may have that, and we'll answer them after the break.
	Lotta with Crowder.
	I hear what you're saying, but it's wrong, and we're going with what I'm saying.
	So we can all agree that God is real, right?
	We'll just call it God.
	We'll say God.
	God started everything.
	We'll agree there.
	I don't typically do this, but...
	I'm going to make a damn career out of it.
	I don't talk about this at all often, but it will be the thing that I base everything on.
	Glad he still leads with that non-faith-based perspective.
	I was thinking a lot about the concept of this.
	This happens because someone came to my door and they were trying to sell me on God recently.
	Oh, interesting.
	And it was like one of those things where it was like, I talked to them and my wife hated it because I was like, let's talk about it a little bit.
	And the whole thing to me that...
	Obviously, I'm an atheist person, but the reason why I don't think that there's a God is because there's so much just terrible stuff in the world, you know?
	Okay, yeah.
	But it's like the classic, you know, if God is all-powerful and all-good, then why do we have such terrible things in the world?
	It's God's plan, man.
	Yeah, but why would God do that if he's like a...
	Didn't you just hear what the fuck he said, dude?
	God's plan.
	You idiot.
	You're right, God kills a bunch of kids because it's his plan.
	Yeah, Sandy Hook was my plan.
	A decade of Alex Jones talking about it.
	Sandy Hook was God's plan.
	We can also cut that out.
	I don't want to say Sandy Hook was God's plan.
	We're pointing out how ridiculous that is.
	No, no, no.
	That's good merch.
	Sandy Hook was God's plan.
	Change my mind.
	It's a good time to announce our collaboration with the Westboro Baptist Church.
	Can we also put out the...
	Hot dog is a sandwich changed my mind.
	Hot dogs are fine for breakfast.
	Rubens are good for breakfast.
	Let's come back from break, actually.
	You know, you've got...
	An argument from philosophy that basically says if you're trying to conceive of the greatest being that you can possibly think of, right?
	It's really good to use a fictional superhero character in this because using the greatest being that you can conceive of gets old after a while.
	Let's say Superman, right?
	Is Superman more powerful when he's imaginary and in your mind or is he more powerful if he's actually real and can go faster than a speeding bullet and do all of those things that Superman...
	Can do.
	If he's real.
	He's real, right?
	So if you're thinking of a being and you can't think of anything greater than that being, it's only the greatest being you can think of if it's real.
	And that's actually an argument when you go and take philosophy in college that they use to say maybe God is real.
	Maybe there is a God.
	So if you can conceive of a God and it's the greatest being that you can conceive of, it actually begs that it must be real.
	For it to be the greatest being.
	Now, it doesn't say that God is actually real.
	It's just saying that that's a great way to think about, okay, if I can conceive of something that's the greatest thing I can conceive of, it has to be real to be the greatest thing.
	Otherwise, it's not the greatest thing.
	It's just a way that people can think about it in philosophy and just kind of deal with it that way.
	I forgot that we have to do these damn commercials.
	I was sitting there.
	I was enthralled by your discussion.
	Sometimes it happens with the show.
	We have a guest that's actually really interesting to me and not just hawking a book.
	I'm sitting there going, yeah, that makes sense.
	I really want to learn here.
	You know, you're a walking PBS station for me, only without all the government funding.
	It just is boring, I guess.
	What the fuck was he talking about?
	Well, Superman is not real unless you...
	Because if he was real, then he would be the most stuporist.
	Yeah, what is it?
	I'll explain it to you.
	Oh, thanks.
	Okay, please.
	God is a tulpa.
	If you say it exists, then it exists.
	It's like the Slenderman.
	Okay, cool.
	So God is Slenderman, and that kind of sums up what he just said there.
	If it's real in your mind, then it is real.
	Then that means that you've created it.
	That's what Slenderman is.
	And we know Slenderman's real because people have killed for Slenderman.
	That's true.
	The Waukesha stabbings.
	Yeah.
	The other thought, when he's talking about Superman, the all-powerful, this is how they're describing these things in college.
	Follow that path.
	Then that also means that there's just a planet full of gods.
	If you're going to use the analogy of Superman, Superman came from where he is a normal person and he comes to Earth.
	He's America's favorite son after that.
	But how did he get there?
	But what if Superman also gave kids leukemia?
	Oh, he does.
	Have you not been around him?
	Yeah, he does have that whole radiation thing coming off his body.
	Yeah, it's not good.
	But just saying, if that's Gerald's argument, then...
	There is a planet full of Supermans.
	Yeah.
	And they are normal to themselves, but they're not normal when we're around them.
	Superman is real.
	Superman is real.
	Was he just arguing for Superman being real?
	Yeah.
	I don't know what he was saying, man.
	He made no points.
	Well, it is interesting, though, that he pointed out...
	Gerald's more interesting than the people who typically come on his show to hawk books, like the two folks that we covered in our last Time Travel episode, Larry Elder and Brad Thor.
	So, nice of him to insult...
	Kind of, in the past.
	That's pretty fun.
	Great work.
	Do you think Steven's going to get Hayley Welch on the show?
	He's going to be a Hayley Welch fan?
	If she takes the dark turn, if she turns to, like, Nurse Disrespect or something, that could be interesting.
	Nurse Disrespect.
	Like, if she slides into that.
	Disrespectua.
	I could see it happening, but, yeah, so second break, because they, for some reason, put those two back-to-back and, you know, terrestrial radio bullshit.
	I think that it was just that...
	Fuck it.
	It sucks.
	This is the longest two hours of my life.
	This is better.
	Weezer's pork and beans comes back on.
	Well, they use that a lot.
	Yeah, that does happen often, but we're coming back.
	I mean, can you imagine, is there anything like that today where you would have a group of people out who are willing to die for a man?
	Everyone would mock them, and they'd be willing to die for one man, and they would make such an impact that it would change our entire calendar.
	That's the story.
	I mean, you can't even get a bunch of guys on a message board today to agree on something as simple as the Olive Garden sucks.
	They're still going to argue.
	All the red shirts would be willing to die for Captain Kirk.
	Oh boy.
	I'm not going to quite change the calendar on Shatner's bad acting, though.
	No.
	And somebody might make the case that Islam, you know, people are willing to blow themselves up.
	And there's a difference between being willing to die a humiliating death and being willing to blow yourself up and kill other people.
	That's a totally different deal.
	That's just kind of an insanity, I think, honestly, about that.
	Is that the difference between suicide bombings and crucifixion?
	If you're embarrassed about it?
	Is that really what he's saying?
	You're a bashful terrorist.
	It is silly to say that one martyrdom is less offensive than it is to the Crusades, where Christians went around murdering people.
	I think they're both equally reprehensible acts.
	Let's just ignore all the awful things Christians did in the pursuit of...
	I don't know the history of this, but when Jesus was crucified, right?
	And we started time over.
	Sure, of course.
	With someone just like, run it back.
	Zero.
	Restart the calendar.
	It's over.
	Was it like one of those days since our last crucifixion?
	Erase it.
	Three.
	New Year.
	Zero.
	But didn't Jesus die in like 34 AD or something like that?
	Yeah.
	His birth was actually, and we'll talk about it in a second, was somewhere between 4 and 6 BC. Okay.
	So like 27, 28, 80?
	After his birth.
	Because we're being like 34. We're like stronger than Jesus now.
	We made it longer than him.
	Yeah.
	Was he part of the 27 club?
	I think he was in his 30s.
	Oh, okay.
	He wasn't with all the other...
	32 or 34. Kurt Cobain and all those guys.
	Amy Winehouse, Jim Hendrix.
	Two things.
	That Fun Dip likes in life more than Dr. Pepper?
	Star Trek?
	Star Trek and the Beatles.
	Yeah, the Beatles.
	He loves the Beatles.
	Because he's a bass boy.
	He's a big fan of that Rickenbacker.
	Yeah, he's got one of those violin ones.
	Isn't it a Hohner or something like that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't remember.
	I can't remember.
	It's a Hohner.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I think it's some goofy-ass little violin bass.
	I play a flying V-bass.
	Because I'm a madman.
	The most hilarious situation around all this.
	But the funniest thing to me is that people will say that Jesus never rose from the grave.
	If we can get to that point where we know he was killed, because it said it here in sources other than the Bible said he was killed by Pontius Pilate.
	He's not alive now.
	He basically, Pontius Pilate said...
	To the people in the Sanhedrin who are saying, hey, this guy said he was going to rise again, and we know that his disciples will go and steal his body away and then claim to everybody, oh, he's risen, and oh, guess what?
	We saw him, but you haven't seen him.
	He's gone now, and they're going to fulfill this prophecy and make him into a martyr.
	They knew that that's what was going to happen, at least in their mind.
	Right, right.
	So they said, they went to Pontius Pilate, this is recorded in the Bible, and said, hey, put more guards there, please, because this is going to be a bad deal.
	They're going to do this, and Pontius said, look, I've made it as secure as I can, and I've put guards there.
	You go do whatever you need to secure it.
	Do you think that in a million years, they would have allowed somebody to come there, subdue their guards, roll away the stone, take the body out, fold the linens up, put it down, roll the stone back, the guards magically come back and don't remember a thing.
	By the way, do you know that in this time, the Roman guards would have been killed for that because they would have failed their post?
	They would have literally been executed.
	So their thing would have been completely done.
	Right?
	So they had every opportunity to secure this.
	It happened.
	It really did happen.
	And there's historical documentation outside of the Bible that that incident happened.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Not exactly.
	There's no direct historical confirmation of Jesus' body going missing outside of the Bible.
	But there were accounts of his death and situations saying that people would maybe be taking his body to make it appear that he had risen.
	I think what's wild to me is what lack of imagination do you have to have to think that it would be impossible for someone to steal his body?
	Sure.
	There's lots of crimes that happen that people go, how did that happen?
	How did that happen?
	And now we have amazing technology to figure it out.
	Back then, there was not that amazing technology.
	They got like six, seven guys to move a rock.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And distract the guards.
	I think sometimes they over...
	My problem is I think that they overstate the importance that Jesus had at the time.
	Yeah.
	He was not widely discussed.
	The instances where his crucifixion and death were mentioned, there's two of them.
	Two historical mentions of Jesus.
	The rest of the accounts take place decades after his death.
	It's all the Bible, which is information that is all proof positive of this person.
	Sure, yeah.
	With no doubt.
	The Bible was written by people who were telling stories about what was happening.
	But honestly, I think that Fundip's entire point here is like, okay, cool.
	Even if you have proof of these things happening.
	Of him being a person.
	Of him being a person.
	Of him dying.
	Of his body going missing.
	And that's all good and well.
	Whatever.
	Yeah.
	You have to make the connection to God.
	Like, that's the part that you can't do historically.
	He will get into that, of course.
	That is the big point, though.
	Yeah, you have to make that connection to God.
	Like, whether or not someone did or didn't exist, if there's proof they existed, fine.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people existed.
	It's the important stuff.
	Yeah, the question is not, you know, hey, was that guy ever a real guy?
	It was, was he really God's son?
	Yeah.
	It's a big thing.
	Did we ever see, did we, did we?
	Do a paternity test?
	That's a good point.
	Let's do a 23 and me.
	I hope that, like, Maury Povich has a Mary on.
	You are the father, and God's like, yes!
	Suck it!
	Thunder!
	Loud!
	With Crowder, I am a rapper man.
	Loud!
	And I'm so glad that Funk's still playing as I'm talking.
	Who doesn't love it?
	Fun Dip, what are you doing?
	I am making sure that the funk doesn't compress your voice.
	You're out of your mind.
	So we are talking here with our great guest, Gerald Morgan, about Jesus, about Christmas.
	A lot of people celebrate it, and they think it's fun, and you do the little ornaments in the tree, but it's not really real.
	We're beyond that.
	Gerald Morgan is an apologist who says no.
	Now, I'm trying to remember, where were you right before we left for the break?
	You were mid...
	Stream there.
	Well, I was leading us in.
	We were talking about Daniel, and then I was talking about the Magi and then the star of Bethlehem.
	There you go.
	Which is a little bit controversial, because is there any proof of that star?
	And are the three wise men just a bunch of hucksters?
	I thought they were three wise guys.
	Hey, Mo!
	This isn't from Jersey, all right?
	The three wise men.
	Remind me to kill you later.
	I think there's a bad B movie on that out there somewhere.
	So I don't think Stephen picked up on the Three Stooges reference.
	He never watched it, no.
	He said three wise guys from Jersey, of course.
	Yes, great, great work.
	So we're about to talk about the Star of Bethlehem, which of course is the star that led the three wise men to Jesus.
	Not just by the star guiding them in the direction, but the star was directly over the Christ child.
	Yeah, if you took Earth and you stabbed a little stick in Christ child and sent it straight out to the sky, that's what it was.
	That's how it works.
	I don't know if you guys know, but I'm really good at telling...
	Exactly which star is directly above me.
	I can point straight up and know which one it is.
	And we're directly under...
	Cassiopeia!
	Also, it's actively moving at the same time.
	No, no, no.
	Earth is moving around as well.
	Dude, Jesus started the Earth spin.
	What?
	Yep.
	Oh, wow.
	I didn't.
	I missed that.
	He flew around the Earth so fast that it started spinning.
	I think that you're thinking of Superman.
	Oh, whoops.
	Yep.
	But there was actually a star.
	It's really funny.
	We have some software now that actually can kind of go back.
	And we have mathematical models.
	It's all science that we have.
	And I believe the software is called Starry Night, and you can actually go to their website online.
	It's not a crooner song.
	It's actually a website.
	I love that song.
	It's an Android app.
	I love that song.
	Who was that?
	That wasn't Cat Stevens, was it?
	No, no.
	Starry Night would have been by Don McClain.
	Starry Night by Don McClain?
	Yeah, I've heard it.
	I performed that song live.
	Acoustic.
	A couple months ago.
	Really?
	Oh yeah, you were at that wedding or something, right?
	He played a wedding?
	No, he played a wedding, 50th wedding anniversary.
	Way different.
	And people went crazy for that song.
	That's a pretty good get for some boomers.
	Having Don McLean come out and play a wedding is pretty nuts.
	It was a big get.
	Get the rich folks.
	So this Star of Bethlehem, it signaled the birth of the King of the Jews, Jesus Christ, of course.
	And the Magi were meeting, were supposed to go ahead.
	Jesus.
	of Bethlehem.
	Jesus.
	More than that.
	Seems like the star was only visible to them, according to the Bible, but the star's appearance lasted only long enough for them to travel to the homeland of Jerusalem and then to Bethlehem.
	This is like when I tell, like, I don't have kids, but let's say I had kids.
	Do you have Starry Night, though?
	No, no, no.
	But let's say I had kids and I wanted to be like, just so you guys know, there's a goblin that only I can see that knows if you did your chores or not.
	It's called Elf on the Shelf.
	Exactly.
	The entire that only they can see is hilarious to me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because how would we see it now with the Starry Night app on iOS?
	Well, but see, that's the problem.
	That's the problem.
	It's like when you look at that detail of it, what are we talking about, Gerald?
	Because he's about to.
	Discuss the literal star.
	You got these boys.
	These three guys right here.
	They're bringing their frankincense and myrrh.
	Whatever the other one is.
	They were just huffing that shit.
	Oregano.
	Bunch of oregano.
	Cumin.
	Huffing that shit.
	They were seeing visions.
	Only that they could see.
	And nobody had glasses.
	Of course not.
	Yeah, no glasses.
	They had sight beyond sight.
	And this is a little, you guys don't know this, but a little effect of mushrooms and stuff like that.
	You get a little psychedelics in there.
	Don't talk about that.
	That'll freak these two boys out.
	I'm just saying, you know.
	Sounds like Bacchus talking over there.
	Well, I'm about to drive my boat drunk as hell or something.
	And it's really interesting.
	We can actually pinpoint with very, very good accuracy what the night sky would have looked like in the Middle East at this time, right?
	And Jesus' birth was somewhere, and you can argue it as much as you want, between 4 BC and maybe 1 BC. So it was right before there.
	We got it off just a little bit.
	But here's the thing.
	They didn't celebrate birthdays in the Hebrew culture, so that's one of the reasons we don't know the actual date.
	It was never listed.
	So it's just culturally not what they do.
	They do now, though.
	Go ahead.
	They do now, though.
	Yes, now is different from then.
	They're so dismissive.
	Fun Dip, you're an idiot.
	That's a bad question, Fun Dip.
	Yeah.
	They were stating that Jesus' birthday was between 4 and 6 AD. He said 4 and 1. Did he say 4 and 1?
	Yeah.
	Okay, thanks for correcting me on that.
	They were able to pinpoint...
	What did BC stand for?
	Funny you say that.
	So I don't know if that was actually Max Baucus who was doing the book.
	Oh, right.
	We're going back to that.
	I don't remember.
	Someone can check me on that.
	But there was a star, and it was between 2 and 3 BC. And you have to remember, too, this isn't like...
	Us going out in downtown Detroit, maybe there's five or six lights on, that are making the sky look very dim.
	We can't see very many stars.
	You're talking about people who navigated by stars.
	This is kind of like having a conversation with somebody who's a sailor in the 1700s.
	They don't have a lot of this new fancy equipment to get them where they're going, so they know the stars.
	Very, very, very well.
	Especially the very bright stars.
	The most important stars, right?
	So that's the magi.
	That's the setting that you have to be in.
	And you've got somebody who was a magi from about 20 to 70 years old, right?
	That's when their career span basically was.
	And you've got a star, right?
	Jupiter.
	It's revered as kind of the king planet.
	It's one of the brightest stars that we'll have at certain periods of time.
	And then also you have, obviously it's a planet, it's not a star, but it looks like a star to us from here.
	And then you also have Regulus, which is actually a star, right?
	And it's actually the king star, and it's known in different cultures as the king star, both Jupiter and Regulus.
	So two things.
	One, you've got the king planet, and you've got the king star.
	Right?
	Which both speak of royalty.
	There's a Taco King down the street where we should go after this.
	Well, only if we're like Fun Dip and we can justify eating a Reuben for breakfast.
	Which I think we can.
	But you basically have what's called a conjunction where stuff looks close to each other.
	They look like they're touching.
	Conjunction.
	What's your function?
	It's not a co-function.
	It's a conjunction, Fun Dip.
	Track with me here.
	He's doing Schoolhouse Rock.
	Oh.
	I didn't get that.
	You can't come in here with your information and your knowledge and expect this zoo...
	I'm gonna wreck you.
	I am going to wreck you.
	Information will enlighten you, sir.
	So...
	I don't know.
	So, what he said was there's two stars that look close to each other.
	Yeah, it was Jupiter and then...
	Regulus?
	Regulus, which is considered the king's star.
	And that started before all the Jesus stuff.
	You guys like when Gerald got reclaimed when he almost had to say the word sexton?
	You think he tightened up a bit?
	They didn't have these tools like the sailors did.
	I feel like I'm harping on this, but I think I have a couple more clips about this goddamn star situation.
	I want to hear more about the star, yeah.
	It actually looked like Jupiter stopped and went backwards.
	It's kind of like a car on the highway that you pass.
	It looks like the car is going behind you.
	It's not.
	You're just passing that star.
	Same thing happened, but here's the thing.
	It happened three times.
	Immediately.
	One right after the other.
	In that time.
	In that time period, right?
	So this would have been over a span of a little bit of time, not years, but days, right?
	That this motion would have looked like Jupiter was actually circling the star Regulus.
	So the king planet circling the king star.
	Really, really interesting.
	That doesn't happen.
	We know this is a scientific fact.
	Scientific fact happened.
	You can go back and predict it on the model.
	Fun Dip, is that kind of blowing your mind a little bit?
	I mean, that is pretty cool.
	Oh, yeah.
	I like that kind of stuff.
	I wish I had a time machine that I could go back and check it out.
	Yeah, I know.
	So do I. We're going to have to have Gerald on for another segment because, see, I didn't even say anything in that segment.
	I was just listening.
	I felt like a kid.
	It's louder with Gerald on WhamTalk 1600. I felt like a kid on his grandpa's lap.
	Interesting that you would describe that dynamic.
	Kind of how I feel when I look at Gerald and Stephen.
	They're thinking about this.
	With this concept that because they used the stars, they had a deep scientific understanding of them back then.
	Sure.
	And that this instance where the king star was dancing with Jupiter, the king planet, what is considered the king planet, Gerald's using language like this to imply that it has something to do with Jesus Christ, the king of kings.
	The naming of it didn't exist back then, not in the same way that it does now.
	So it's irrelevant.
	I have no idea.
	But also, there's...
	It sounds like astrology.
	Yeah, well, save that.
	But these conjunctions are not terribly...
	All right.
	Well, he was just doing that because he's bored out of his fucking mind, like all of us.
	Yeah.
	Like, we got to say something because this sucks what's going on right now.
	Yeah, planetary conjunctions...
	I'm just a bear on Capitol Hill.
	They happen.
	Like, 7 BC, there was a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn with the constellation Pisces.
	Ah, the King Star.
	The Keem Star?
	Yeah.
	Was he one of the wise men?
	Him, Dan Blazerian, and fucking Gerald Morgan?
	The true wise men.
	The true wise men.
	Yeah, and then February 6th BC, I think, Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars came within eight degrees of each other in Pisces.
	Oh, the world star.
	And when this happens, they appear to be one single star, and they're far brighter than...
	You know, them by themselves.
	Yeah, because if someone turns a flashlight in your eyes and then holds another flashlight right close to it, you're like, oh, it's got brighter.
	I know it balances out, actually.
	Your eyes get better.
	And then 3 BC, they were specific here.
	August 12th, Jupiter and Venus apparently were extremely close within 0.1 degree of each other in Leo.
	June 17th, 2 BC, Jupiter and Venus came so close that their disks appeared to touch, creating an exceptionally bright appearance.
	This is not uncommon for them to...
	Rewind time and say that these two specific things, the king star and the king planet, have anything to do with a conjunction that could have been considered the star of Bethlehem.
	It's fucking absurd.
	Yeah, well, a lot of it is just using science to kind of find evidence.
	It's justification.
	It's not how it should work.
	You should discover evidence and then try and theorize how that came to be.
	And how it could be false, to solidify your point.
	Sure.
	That's not what they're doing.
	What they're saying is that around this time, there was some stars that...
	It appeared bright, and three dudes may have used it to directly stand underneath the Christ child.
	Why did all this happen back then?
	Do they ever talk about that?
	Well, I mean, because it was a prophecy.
	Okay, but why did God pick that time?
	It was all prophesied in the Old Testament, Dennis.
	Okay, but why that?
	Why not this week?
	Because he already did it.
	The Old Testament said that this was going to happen, and because this is proof that it did happen.
	What do you mean?
	Why did he wait?
	He didn't wait.
	He stated an exact, not an exact, but he stated a prophecy.
	It just seems random.
	No, it's actually the opposite of random, because it was clearly stated.
	It was written in the stars.
	The prophecies all point to that date.
	Yeah.
	Think about this from God's perspective.
	Sure.
	I want you to think about it from this perspective.
	Okay.
	Simba!
	Throws his body down.
	Sure.
	The cloud comes up.
	It says sex in the stars.
	And a baby was born.
	Dude.
	It's the circle.
	Yeah.
	By the way, I just want you to know, Mufasa movie's terrible.
	Ah, I've heard that.
	But using what I'm saying, though, it's like I hear what you're saying as well.
	It is all stupid random, and they're proving these things with small facts that are not.
	Well, it's no different than, like I said, I use astrology as an example, but it's like you read your horoscope and you go, oh, yeah, I remember from last week.
	This makes sense based on what I'm reading.
	Of course, yeah.
	I'm thinking about this from the Dude God's perspective.
	The Dude God.
	The Dude God.
	Was God just like, how about next week?
	That's like just your opinion, man.
	Hey, the Dude God abides.
	We're at commercial break, boys.
	Let's get to it.
	You crunched for time looking for that perfect Christmas gift.
	Listen, nobody needs pajama grams or socks.
	Send them a gift they'd actually like.
	A nice bottle of wine would be nice, but sometimes that's complicated.
	That's where Simplified Wine comes in.
	Just call 844-297-WINE, where a sommelier will take your information, budget, and they will deliver stellar, beautifully packaged wine right to their door.
	I took care of all my relatives, friends, business associates with just one phone call.
	I gave a phone call to my friend and he went straight to his basement and opened up a bottle of Barefoot.
	We shipped it out to my aunt.
	She loved it.
	Imagine that phone call.
	He called.
	He called, allegedly called, and he had a list of all of his friends and all of their addresses and he spent two hours dictating addresses over the phone to somebody.
	Oh no.
	It was a different time, Dennis.
	You want Simplified Wines?
	You upload your contacts.
	I would have thought this would have been easier, Gerald.
	This is pretty complicated.
	Well, you call me and give me your address.
	Yes, and I send you a list of the wines we have available, and you can send it back via the USPS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like...
	Columbia CDs for wine.
	99 cents, 100 CDs.
	Send it to your neighbor's house.
	Do it again to your other neighbor.
	My parents had a BMG music scam going when I was young, for sure.
	That's how I got my first record ever.
	Boy Named Goo by the Goo Goo Dolls.
	It's a great record.
	I recently watched Treasure Planet.
	The lead singer of the Goo Goo Dolls did music for that.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Johnny Resnick.
	Wonderful.
	Back to the show.
	Historically, there's really not a lot of argument in did Jesus exist?
	Was he killed?
	And were there some of these phenomenon that they said happened, like a star or something like that?
	The meaning of it all, who he was, all that stuff, that's for further debate and discussion.
	That's the entire debate.
	But these things actually did happen.
	Someone just tweeted me, your seven-year gap is lousy astrogation.
	Astrogation, okay.
	I think he means lousy astrology.
	Oh, I hope so.
	No, astrology is the horoscopes, right?
	Yeah, astronomy is the...
	See, it's easy to get the two confused.
	It's a lousy version of your Capricorn...
	Okay, so he just doesn't understand it.
	I just want to be very clear.
	So what he's supposedly proven here is that there was an astrological phenomenon that happened at the time.
	And Jesus existed.
	He's using that as evidence to prove.
	Just so you guys know, I exist currently, and there was a comet that only passes by once every 80,000 years that happened a couple months ago.
	Well, how do you know that I'm not just imagining you right now?
	True, yeah.
	He's proved nothing.
	No, absolutely not.
	He's like, we can talk about whether or not he's God's son.
	Yeah, it's clear that he was born and that he was killed, which a lot of people were killed back then.
	It's like a real C-tier kind of dream scenario.
	People being killed on a cross.
	A lot of criminals.
	A lot of people were considered criminals back then.
	Yeah, and a lot of those criminals also probably died around the same time when the Star of Bethlehem was around.
	That's a great point.
	Wow.
	Jesus was the only guy who died that year.
	Yeah, there was.
	That's amazing.
	Oh, I didn't even think about that.
	A lot of people are born on the same day, especially in places like Bethlehem.
	Yeah.
	Think about how big a star is.
	If a star was perfectly aligned with Earth...
	The entire Earth would be covered.
	Earth is moving so fast, too.
	It's only exactly underneath someone for so long, right?
	Six, seven minutes.
	But think about how big a star is.
	If it's perfectly aligned, we draw a straight line from that star to Earth, it's going to cover the entire Earth.
	This is the king planet.
	Yeah, the king planet.
	It's stupid bullshit, but let's just say he was born and died and had extra phenomenal experiences.
	Let's just say that he was God's son.
	Here's an idea.
	Or a thought, right?
	Okay.
	What's that?
	So you think about a more modern revolutionary who would be considered as a revolutionary.
	Do Cuban people...
	Well, Che Guevara is actually our Jesus.
	Okay.
	And that's when our timeline starts is with his death.
	Okay.
	AC. Yeah, AC, exactly.
	We need to get that down in Cuba.
	But I don't know.
	If Jesus was real and he was like a real shitster and just kind of being like, you know...
	This is wrong.
	The state is wrong.
	And it's like, that's interesting.
	But a lot of guys did that, too.
	But it didn't make them also the son of God.
	Yeah.
	The thing is that they're using the fact they can prove something to prove everything.
	It can only happen once.
	The tide changing on the way people feel about being oppressed.
	Luigi Mangione.
	Is he the son of God?
	AL. Now we're talking.
	In the word astrogation, it is the art of navigating...
	So, I think, I mean, I wouldn't have used that word.
	Yeah, sorry you didn't know the word they used.
	It's typically used in, like, sci-fi, you know, space navigation.
	I feel like Fundip should have spoke up.
	It seems like something that would have been his vocabulary, but...
	I don't think Fundip would defend himself.
	No.
	If they didn't make fun of it, he would have been like, ooh, cool word they used there.
	No, it's just Stephen misunderstanding that someone had a logical tweet in response to his, I guess, a fair tweet, too, you know, saying that your seven-year gap of when Jesus could have been born is...
	Kind of significant.
	Very significant.
	And pinpointing one star situation when there was a handful of other ones that I pointed out a minute ago.
	It's just silly.
	It's very silly.
	No, I don't think your birth date has anything to do with the kind of person you are.
	I will say this.
	I do think that energy, and I don't mean this metaphysical.
	Energy does mess with us a little bit.
	Like Alex Jones.
	It does interact with our environment.
	I get that.
	If it gets really humid, my knee and back hurts.
	So that stuff makes sense.
	But saying that because I was born on October 9th in 1979 and the conditions that day determined the kind of person...
	Trust me, I know plenty of friends who are born on that exact same day.
	John Lennon was born on October 9th.
	John Lennon was born on October 9th, 1940. Killed on my birthday.
	1940. So same birthday as you, Fun Dip?
	No, I was born in December of 1969. Well, then what does it have to do with anything?
	He said October 9th.
	What October 9th?
	He just said it.
	Oh, Gerald was born October 9th.
	Great radio.
	Active listening.
	Stephen, I'm paying attention as to what Gerald was saying.
	Oh, great.
	Fun Dip is ten years older than Gerald?
	Yeah, he's quite old.
	He doesn't sound that old in this, I guess.
	He's got a great radio voice.
	He's got a great radio voice.
	And he seems to be doing a lot better.
	I don't want to spoil too much, but he did at some point get...
	Gastric bypass surgery or one of the sleeves, and he's looking very healthy.
	Good for him.
	I also love this, that basically Gerald is like, listen, the day that you were born doesn't mean anything.
	Yeah.
	There's plenty of people born on the same day.
	We're not the ones saying that the date matters here.
	We're not the ones saying stars matter here.
	You are, man.
	Dimebag Daryl shot in the face the same day that John Lennon was shot in the face.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, really?
	I didn't know that, actually.
	Years apart, of course, but just a coincidence.
	Definitely a coincidence.
	So you may think that and you may say that, Dennis, but...
	But that's the whole deal.
	Like, look, when you latch onto something like astrology, you're looking for something greater than yourself.
	When you latch onto something like smoking or alcohol or drugs, you're looking to feel something, right?
	You're looking for something better than what you have.
	It is...
	It is hardwired into us to do that.
	That's what drives us.
	But a lot of times we put stuff in there that doesn't make any sense.
	None of those things help us, right?
	Smoking kills you eventually, which is the dumbest.
	Actually, smoking can't.
	Nicotine is a fantastic thing.
	No, no, no.
	Nicotine, I'm saying smoking.
	I'm saying all the carcinogens and stuff like that that can kill you, right?
	It's worth it for me.
	You can get cancer and all that stuff.
	So the problem is we always do stuff to try to fill what people will call this god hole in.
	It will put everything we can think of in there.
	Even stuff that will lead ultimately to our demise physically.
	Forget the spiritual part.
	In Fun Dip's case, it's Dr. Pepper, it's hot dogs, or a man.
	I was telling Stephen, I don't think Dr. Pepper's ever going to be a sponsor.
	If that ship is the longest in sale, that's not going to happen now.
	Somebody out there is going to just scratch that one off of their notepad right now.
	The gain popped back up for Stephen there.
	That was nice.
	It was such a funny joke.
	He had to laugh so hard.
	What is this all about?
	People try and find answers for things people want to feel like their life matters more than it does?
	I was talking about how astrology is bullshit and people are using astrology the same way that they're using stuff like cigarettes or...
	Religion.
	Wait, what?
	What was that?
	To fill a God-sized hole in yourself?
	Yeah, what?
	And anytime you do anything that feels good like smoking a cigarette...
	Or drinking wine from Juan Vina.
	Yes, of course.
	You're trying to fill that God-sized hole?
	That kind of implies that the baseline should be enough satiation.
	You should feel as satiated by nothing.
	And anything in addition to nothing is trying to fill a god-sized hole.
	Of course, yeah.
	Do you think Stephen calls his god hole...
	Do you know what I was going to say?
	Do you think...
	All the cigars that he was inhaling?
	Interesting.
	Is that what caused his God-sized toll?
	All these vices of theirs, yeah, that they want to talk about.
	To imply that anything more than nothing is attempting to fill something that is unfillable by anything but God is just so kind of obnoxious.
	If anything, when God made us, why didn't he just give us the answers about him?
	Well, because it's the...
	Destination, not the journey?
	No, it's the journey.
	Wait, in this case, though, it is the destination, which is heaven.
	It is, that's right.
	It's not about the journey at all.
	It is, yeah.
	I'm somebody who...
	Well, maybe a little bit.
	Does a little bit of weed and sometimes...
	What?
	I drank some alcohol this week.
	That was kind of nuts.
	But I'm somebody who, like, I really appreciate, like, being sober.
	I really like being sober.
	I think that it's like...
	If you need to do something, it's probably best you do it sober, I guess.
	Unless you don't need to, and that's kind of fun.
	It has nothing to do with a God-sized hole in my heart.
	It's just like, you know what's cool?
	You know what's pretty James Dean?
	Smell a little spleef joint.
	I'm also a teetotaler, but I fully understand that perspective.
	If it's not anything of importance and you're just having fun, why the fuck not?
	I'm watching Nosferatu.
	Maybe I'm hitting that pen before I'm going in.
	In the bathroom.
	That horny vampire flick is scary and, I don't know, a little bit turned up.
	A little sexy in there.
	Yeah, why not?
	Stupid.
	Stupid perspective.
	Really, really dumb point.
	Gerald's also, he's in the wine industry.
	Yeah, but also it's not his calling.
	He doesn't even like wine.
	Okay, well let's cool it, Gerald.
	Not you, sorry.
	You don't need to cool it.
	Keep it hot.
	So we learned a little bit about...
	The teaching history of Stephen Crowder, the brief experience he had teaching children and scaring him.
	Discussing orgies.
	But he also went to Catholic school because in Canada, public school is Catholic school, at least in Montreal.
	So I had to go to public Catholic school.
	I had to speak.
	I had to do it in French, too.
	They thought I was learning disabled until the fourth grade because I was doing math and geography in French.
	And I was a little bit a step behind.
	How is math in a different language?
	It's hard to learn.
	It's just hard to learn.
	You know, think about it.
	If someone is giving you a mathematical equation, picture learning long division, only there's that...
	Someone's teaching you in French, so you have to convert it in your brain to English, and now you're already a step behind the rest of the class who are French.
	So I kept that clip in, just something to add to the list of grievances that Stephen had with the public education system and his experience as a child.
	They just considered him learning disabled.
	That probably didn't make his upbringing terribly easy if he was in a situation where he was held back or in classes that were for people who were delayed.
	It probably just formed him as the person who is like...
	In a situation where he could have objection of other people, because people are judging him for his abilities in school, that maybe he would find himself in a position where he's more likely to have strong judgments about other people.
	That's not how we did it in Detroit, when I was the Motor City man-child.
	Okay.
	You would think that going through that experience would humble you a bit as far as being like, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
	Well, it can humble you or it can make you bitter.
	Yes, exactly.
	So here we are wrapping around.
	They've given us enough evidence to prove that Jesus was a person who was crucified and that he is the Son of God in this hour and a half.
	Not quite the Son of God.
	Well, I think so.
	Let's just agree on the basics.
	God's real.
	Jesus is the Son.
	Okay.
	Christianity is the faith.
	Israel.
	Yes.
	The chances of those things happening randomly, Jesus walking in and fulfilling these prophecies from the Bible that we can witness, Are one in the billions.
	But how do you know that the guys that wrote the New Testament stuff weren't going back and going, oh man, yeah, if we just write it this way, it's totally going to look like this prophecy came true.
	It's a good question.
	No, it's a fantastic question because that's a common argument that people will say.
	It's like, okay, you just wrote it to fit this.
	The problem with that is that we just gave you the fact that Jesus existed as a man.
	Well, yeah, but they could take his existence and they could say, okay, we got this guy.
	What can we write about him to tie him to this other stuff?
	No, no, no, that's absolutely true.
	Okay, but here's the thing.
	What would happen?
	Now, you have to remember who's writing this, right?
	And you have to remember that these guys are the absolute minority.
	There's literally only, right after Jesus' death, there's literally maybe a few thousand people among millions of people in the region who actually believe in Jesus, right?
	A few thousand people are writing something.
	So let's say that I said this.
	Let's say that I said that Al Gore was the one that got us into Iraq.
	Not George Bush and not his administration, but I wrote something out there and said, hey, no, no, no, no, this guy is the one who got us into Iraq.
	What would immediately happen?
	Everybody who knew that not to be true would be like, no, no, no, no, that's not true.
	And that didn't happen in this case.
	The people who read this at that time were the people who believed in that.
	Yes.
	He's comparing like, hey, listen, if I sent out a message to the whole world right now, they wouldn't believe me.
	The difference is that back then you couldn't send a message to the whole world.
	Exactly.
	Literacy and especially written word was not a common thing.
	You can go back to these guys and be like, Clay Aiken is a genius singer.
	He was pretty good, actually.
	Really good.
	And you're just going to be like, what?
	What?
	Just like that little boy.
	Just like the child.
	Yeah.
	No, Gerald didn't prove anything at that sentence.
	No, he proved that...
	Hey, listen.
	In the echo chamber, they all heard the message.
	Curious.
	We proved he's a real guy.
	Yeah.
	More than not, people believe that Jesus did exist as a person.
	I would agree with that.
	And there's evidence of his execution.
	Sure.
	That does not prove that the prophecy...
	And these guys are going to believe when we tell them that Kelly Clarkson got her own TV show.
	She was such a good singer.
	She got a TV show.
	Yeah, she did.
	They're not going to believe that.
	Not at all.
	Singers don't...
	Do TV shows.
	but great great on fund it for pushing back on there Yeah, it's just showing that he's looking at it through the modern day lens.
	And it's not applicable in the same way.
	Not even a little bit.
	That's literally like saying, well, the Romans started out really small and they conquered a huge area.
	How could that be possible?
	They didn't attack everywhere at once, man.
	They didn't take a tiny group of people and then send one person to each place in the whole world.
	They conquered slowly.
	And then gained their rings.
	That's how the Jesus story was told.
	That's how Simon Cowell did it.
	Now he's got two shows.
	The context of religion at the same time, too.
	The idea of everlasting life after death with no price.
	You don't have to do something to get that.
	It was a fairly novel concept.
	Yeah, and it was, hey, does your life suck?
	Like, you don't have to worry about that.
	Not only do you get to live forever after death, it's honestly, like, the best.
	It's S-tier, apparently.
	Yeah, it's S-tier.
	And if you don't do it, you're going to burn forever.
	F-tier.
	And all you need to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and say it into your heart.
	And honestly, at that time, there weren't that many foundations as far as, like, human knowledge.
	You might go to some random place and be like, do you know how we exist here?
	And people were like, I don't know.
	I'm a farmer.
	I actually don't know how to...
	I'm trying to get enough food.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, we can have philosophical conversations now.
	Sure.
	But back then, no one thought philosophy about anything.
	Yeah.
	God's making sure I can't eat.
	It's a punishment because...
	It sucks.
	Yeah.
	So, it's just...
	It's reductive and stupid for him to say that there's clear evidence of Jesus Christ being the Son of God.
	Yep.
	Again, if that's what you believe, that's fine.
	That's faith.
	That's faith.
	It's not knowledge.
	It's a tough call because even with all the evidence, it still requires a leap that...
	I don't know, man.
	It's just one of those things.
	The leap is, is he God in the flesh, right?
	That's the leap.
	Well, no.
	The leap is, is the guy he says is dad even in existence?
	Right.
	But the point is...
	Like we said, someone has had to create the world.
	We've agreed on that.
	Jesus existed.
	We have the timeline.
	Jesus was crucified and likely rose from the dead.
	The resurrection is recognized historically.
	Whether people believe it necessarily happened, it had the impact historically.
	It did have an impact.
	The star, like Gerald was talking about, all these different...
	Prophecies that Jesus fulfilled, okay?
	The chances of that happening, there's a famous book, More Than a Carpenter.
	I have that in my desk drawer.
	Pastor Rick gave it to me.
	Okay, well, to give you an idea, you probably never read it, so let me give you an example.
	I got the first eight pages.
	The chances of these things happening and being random are about the same chance of, if you were to cover the state of Texas, four inches deep in quarters, the entire state of Texas, mark one of them with a red X, drop fun dip, we'll...
	Carefly him, really, out of a helicopter.
	Like that one where they drop the elephant?
	Operation Dumbo Drop.
	You fall into the state of Texas blindfolded and have the opportunity to pick one quarter and it being that quarter with a red X. That's the same chance that Jesus was born where he was born, that he created this historical impact.
	All of these prophecies were fulfilled and it being random.
	Is that Don Cheadle?
	I didn't watch the movie.
	I can't remember.
	It's a cute little kid's movie for sure.
	Bill Murray, I think.
	Odds don't matter if it's not random.
	It's not random, man.
	The book of the Bible was written by people.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Obviously, multiple books.
	And the New Testament in hindsight.
	Well, actually, everything, really, in hindsight.
	Well, I mean...
	Even the books in...
	No book is written...
	You could say the prophecies were written before Jesus happened, right?
	Yeah.
	But, like, there's obviously all sorts of questions on, like, the authenticity of those things.
	And that's the big question.
	It's the authenticity of it all.
	Whoever wrote the books could have used the old books as guidance for writing these new books.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	It's like...
	That's like...
	If Harry Potter parts 1 through 4, whatever, I don't remember the names of the books.
	So use a movie because they're sometimes driven by other people.
	Okay, Avengers movies, right?
	If you were writing the Avengers movie, the newest one, you would just read the old ones and watch the old ones and then you would...
	Guide your decisions based on those things to avoid plot holes, right?
	That's not what they did with Star Wars, but I know what you're saying.
	I'm sorry, and I need to correct myself.
	I was thinking Bill Murray.
	No, Dennis Leary.
	And not even a young Cheetle.
	It was a young Dougie Doug.
	Oh, wow.
	I really fucked that one up.
	That's okay.
	Casting blunder.
	Ray Leoto.
	Rest in peace.
	Rest in peace.
	I think that you can't call prophecies prophecies if you don't truly know that they were predicted before the thing happened.
	Sure.
	Even the interpretation of the fulfillment of the prophecies is from the perspective of people who were not firsthand.
	Totally, yeah.
	This reminds me, I have to tell you guys about a fortune that I received.
	I didn't receive it, but when we were visiting Japan, we went and we got fortunes told.
	You can get a little fortune.
	And I just want to read to you guys really quickly my friend's fortune, because it was, I think it came true.
	A lot of it did come true, and I think that that probably means that she might be...
	She might actually be a god now.
	But here's his fortune.
	It says, Your wishes will not be realized.
	The patient will not get well.
	The lost article will not be found.
	Building a new house or moving is no good.
	You should stop to make a trip.
	Marriage and hiring employees are both bad.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, don't do nothing.
	That was their fortune.
	Oh my god.
	We don't get that kind here.
	No, not at all.
	That could really ruin your day.
	Get back to work.
	Don't get married.
	Your mom's dying.
	She's staying dying.
	Get all back to the show.
	So there we go.
	Is God real?
	Is Jesus real?
	Is Christmas something worth celebrating?
	We are getting into that with Gerald Morgan and then Michelle Malkin.
	After the break.
	You don't want to miss her.
	She is a firecracker.
	She's a beautiful little brown woman.
	And we'll keep talking to Jesus here on Louder with Crowder after the break.
	You're listening to Louder with Crowder on Wham!
	Talk 1600. Yeah, I want to just give us a little bit more of that.
	That's the grossest way to introduce somebody.
	She's a beautiful brown woman.
	Yeah, and he was married at this point, right?
	I mean, you shouldn't say that regardless, but...
	No, of course, you know, being weird and racist, sexist and racist so quickly.
	I have a feeling Michelle...
	She's a great...
	She's a doctor.
	She's a...
	I don't know what she is.
	I don't know anything about her.
	But I would describe what she's done.
	She's kind of a white supremacist.
	Hey, we've got this busty girl coming on the show later.
	Check her out.
	What the fuck is that?
	Jesus, man.
	She is Filipino, but she's also a white supremacist.
	Nice.
	Most recently, what fully masked off, a bit of a spiral since 2019, came out in support of Nick Fuentes and the Gripers.
	She spoke at AFPAC in 2019. Nice.
	This wasn't the Queen of Canada, was it?
	No, no, not Diablo at all.
	Maybe they can link up.
	The mother of the Gripers, I think, is what she's considered, which is kind of cool.
	Mama Grip.
	She spoke at AFPAC. America First PAC, which is Nick Quintus' counter-programming to CPAC. February of 2020, F-PAC! You're a regular funder.
	That's fun.
	I like that.
	November 2021, she delivered a speech at the annual American Renaissance Conference hosted by white nationalist group New Century Foundation.
	This actually led her family to be banned from Airbnb.
	That's kind of interesting.
	That rips.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, you're not missing out much.
	She interviewed on Red Ice TV, which is a white supremacist channel, and also Vincent James Fox's YouTube channel.
	He's a white supremacist as well.
	July 2020, she was interviewed by Patrick Cassidy on his podcast Restoring Order, and she also collaborates, or did frequently, with Milo Yiannopoulos.
	Man, I will never understand...
	A non-white person being a white supremacist.
	I just can't.
	Well...
	I don't get it.
	It is tricky, but it is...
	Tricky, tricky, tricky.
	I'm only letting this happen because it's around the Christmas season.
	We have residual spirits.
	Okay.
	She listed the protocols of the Elders of Zion as part of her reading list.
	Cool.
	Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald as well.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	She's a white supremacist.
	Nice.
	Why didn't he leave it with that then?
	Rather than calling her a beautiful brown woman.
	That's what he's interested in.
	So we're not going to listen to their interview at all.
	It was pre-recorded, and it was pretty much just talking about politics of the time, like why Jeb Bush is bad.
	Sure.
	It wasn't really that entertaining, but I think we return after that with a little bit of the flavor from it.
	Your webcam is out of focus, Fun Dip.
	You may want to bring that back in.
	You're all fuzzy, so you may need to bring yourself or bring your face closer or adjust it.
	Now I can see it.
	Readjust it.
	We're all set.
	Fun Dip and I actually do this by webcam so we don't feel so lonely when I'm doing it by satellite.
	And then Fun Dip does horribly inappropriate things and I try to not laugh.
	You're the one that mooned me.
	What are you talking about?
	This is a complete lie.
	I'm a Christian good man.
	Fun Dip's the bad man.
	And that's the narrative of the show.
	Oh, it's not the narrative now, though.
	Yikes, Steven.
	This is early.
	Yeah, even back then, he's exposing himself at work, huh?
	Bussing them butt cheeks out over the satellite.
	Yeah, it's Skype.
	It's Skype.
	And no satellite, dude.
	He had like a sat phone out in the desert.
	Yeah, he oftentimes calls tweets voicemails, which is...
	I don't know.
	It's like an old guy on a computer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is the last clip.
	Anytime you have success and fame, it can go into people.
	It can go to people's head.
	And she is such a true, authentic person.
	When I actually tweeted out that I had a fever, I get a call from her and her husband.
	Steven, are you okay?
	I hope you're feeling well.
	She's an awesome person.
	Still sick back then.
	He was so sick.
	Talking about being sick.
	Yeah.
	He used to tweet about it and expect people to call him.
	Weird, huh?
	I got a fever.
	Who tweets about their fever?
	Just calling to check on you.
	If he hadn't deleted all his tweets, I would have went back and tried to dig it up, but that's what happens when you clean slate yourself in an attempt to obscure evidence from your divorce proceedings.
	Great.
	So that's Steven in 2014, nearing the entrance of 2015. We'll return at some point.
	But, yeah, how do you guys feel about the old show?
	I can see the...
	I loved the intro.
	Oh, yeah.
	I agree.
	I love the intro.
	I can see the foundation of Steven being terrible.
	Like, he obviously was not great in this, but you could see that he was, like, the real terrible sides of him are, like, being reinforced.
	Like, you can see it starting to be built, like...
	Let's see a good example here.
	Just, like, I mean, the way that he's treating Fun Dip.
	Obviously, the mooning.
	The weird, like, Gerald is God to him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Like, you can see those foundations being built.
	It's weird.
	Well, and also, I mean, there's clear hesitancy in some of the more hateful beliefs towards...
	I cut out some stuff that he's talking about, how homosexuality is not accepted in the church, because Fundit pushed back at a certain point.
	He's like, well, why would I want to be part of a faith that discriminates about, you know, sexuality and gay marriage?
	They said, it's not mean.
	It's not mean to not let gay people get married in our church.
	It's actually loving.
	They do that argument.
	But he does it in a different way than he does now.
	Yeah, now you're just wrong if you have an opinion that's different.
	He's at least entertaining it a little bit on this one, but then immediately going, well, but we're actually going to take my stance on this, is that God is real.
	And that's what started this.
	So whatever you're talking about.
	Bean dip?
	We're done with that.
	Boy, she forgot her name.
	Well, I mean, also, like, he said, that's a good question.
	He would never say that now.
	No.
	He'd be like, what a stupid fucking take, idiot.
	That's bullshit, you idiot.
	Yeah.
	No, of course.
	And then he would stand up from his desk and then show you how, like, in a football formation, like why God is real.
	Yeah, he starts drawing out on a thing and then they just move on.
	Yeah.
	Well, he lives in his own world now.
	And he kind of has built a world around him.
	So there's no need to convince anyone anymore because he pays everyone to believe him.
	Yeah, I know.
	Gosh.
	There's no world outside of the crowd or compound.
	The irony of him being the change my mind guy.
	Can either of you think of an instance where there was actual pushback in the studio over the last year that we've been listening to this?
	No.
	The most pushback that I can remember is Brian Callen moments.
	Who don't work there no more.
	No, he don't work there no more.
	And even in those moments, he was belittled.
	Put this on.
	Dress up like a cow.
	For you saying something, I'm going to whip you.
	It's a different show.
	It certainly is different now.
	With the cat of nine tails too, wasn't it?
	It kind of was, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	Is there some religious significance around this?
	Yeah, maybe.
	That's kind of like Roman goose.
	The golden calf?
	I never claim to be a theologian.
	I think that's...
	Isn't that like the Kevin Smith thing?
	Movies?
	Oh, yes.
	That's all I really know about it is Jay and Silent Bob striking back.
	But that's about all I can handle this week.
	If you disagree with us, that's fine.
	Again, not a theologian.
	My sister told me the significance of Christmas trees earlier this week.
	I was like, that's kind of interesting.
	Here's my thought about it.
	I think...
	Believe what you believe, but just understand that there's different beliefs in yours and that yours are your beliefs.
	They aren't your knowledges.
	Yeah.
	If you're using applications to look at star placement in early AD... I got an in-app purchase to get the Jesus Easter egg on my starry night.
	Oh, wow.
	That's the exact moment.
	The exact star of Bethlehem.
	If you point your phone there, you actually get saved via app.
	Well, yeah.
	If you subscribe, you can have the...
	The Wise Men tracker?
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like a Santa tracker on Christmas Eve.
	That's kind of cool.
	Buen Vino doing subscription boxes for frankincense and myrrh.
	Oh, nice.
	Honestly?
	They should.
	That's a business idea.
	I could get behind.
	But not gold, because that's a whole other business.
	Believe what you want, do what you want.
	The shady accredited gold buyers.
	That's my vibe.
	Some of us are out here thinking that...
	Singers do have TV shows.
	Yeah, I mean...
	That's fine.
	Justin Barini's on the show.
	Rest in peace, Robin.
	What's his name?
	Ruben.
	I don't think he's dead.
	I think he's actually still alive.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's still alive.
	Little of them died, didn't they?
	Not Jimmy Levy, thank God.
	Oh, no.
	National treasure.
	Some people gave us presents, though, and I'd like to shout them out.
	Okay.
	I'd love a good shout-out.
	This is from...
	Oh, my gosh.
	Hubris 7. Hubris 7. Exactly.
	Thank you.
	Well, I didn't have any capitalization.
	These guys are super smart.
	Hell yeah, we are.
	Thanks, buddy.
	Wait, what's this?
	It must be a mistake.
	One star.
	Oh, no.
	Tune in to listen to two people you've never heard of.
	Oh, well, great to meet you.
	Fuck y'all.
	You were out of town, my guy.
	Talk about how irrelevant Louder with Crowder is.
	I wouldn't call him irrelevant.
	No.
	I mean, he is.
	I mean, he's waning.
	He's relevant.
	He's just a dick.
	We just don't want to be a dick all the time.
	The best part of the show, oh, this is nice, is laughing at the Crowder clips.
	Okay, yeah.
	He likes the jokes.
	And the immediately being told that they are not funny.
	They aren't funny.
	You're not funny.
	We're not saying they're not funny.
	They're just inherently not funny.
	We're just discussing it around it.
	Hubris 7. Yeah, we never said they weren't funny.
	Jesus.
	It's funny in a different kind of way.
	Yeah.
	There is a difference between laughing at and laughing with.
	It's like how when you're arguing with somebody and they go, it's really funny because when you do this, it's not funny.
	They're being dumb.
	They're being ironic.
	Either way, appreciate it.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	One star.
	The star of Bethlehem.
	Exactly.
	That's the one star.
	That's all they gave us.
	If you hear this and you hear your name on it, you actually owe us one more episode.
	Listen one more time.
	We also got a review from Hoboken Dave.
	Hoboken Dave!
	I love New Jersey.
	Excellent.
	Five stars.
	I'm a new listener, and I want to say how much I enjoy your show.
	Thanks, Dave.
	Thanks, dude.
	And he says thank you, and I thank him too.
	Thanks, Dave.
	Thanks a lot.
	Buy you a slice of Hoboken when I see you.
	Rob Grass.
	G-R-A-U-S-S. Gruss, maybe?
	G-R-A-U-S-S? Grouse.
	Grouse.
	Grouse.
	Like the bird.
	Like the bird, yeah.
	Wow.
	Check the one stars.
	Crowder simps are mad.
	Oh, yeah, baby.
	Interesting.
	Five stars.
	This is a bunch of simpletons, man.
	And this is important.
	However, the show is also quite funny with sharp editing.
	Thank you.
	Definitely owes to the style of knowledge fight, but leans into comedy chops and more clowning for a different show.
	I wish I knew what they were talking about.
	I'm just kidding.
	Crowder is just not as entertaining as Alex Jones, so this cast has their work cut out for making a show out of criticizing this brand of vapid propaganda.
	That actually might be the nicest review we've ever received.
	It clearly states the monumental task that we have ahead of us.
	But also giving you your flowers.
	Oh, well, yeah, that too.
	I appreciate that a lot.
	That's really nice.
	Thanks, Grouse.
	Crowder is a different beast.
	Yeah, it's hard to...
	It's hard to listen to him.
	You know, Alex Jones is, like, ridiculous and crazy, so I'm not saying Knowledge Fight has an easy job, but Alex Jones is wild, and, like, you can listen to him and be like, holy shit, what is this?
	With Steven, it's more of, like, a depressing sadness that we have to try and...
	Dig through.
	Yeah, and the follies that we get to make fun of are more accidental, I guess.
	Like his weird Skype situation.
	Regardless, that was very kind.
	That was very kind.
	Who was that guy's name?
	Rob?
	Rob Grouse?
	That was Rob Grouse.
	Rob, thank you so much, man.
	I really appreciate you.
	If you send me a Venmo request, I'll give you some money.
	What?
	Six, seven bucks.
	Wait, you're going to pay Rob six to seven dollars for that review?
	Yeah, definitely.
	I'll pay him three to one BC. Well, you don't have to pay anything to go to shrug.club, though.
	Nothing.
	You can go listen to bonus things that we create there, but if you do want to support us financially, that would be appreciated.
	Yeah, just send me a Venmo.
	Now...
	Send it back.
	I'll throw three, four dollars out of time.
	Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
	That's a free thing you can do like those folks did.
	Helps us out a lot.
	Find us on X at Dan Crowder as well as Blue Sky.
	We've been there quite a bit.
	I've actually made a bit of a consistent transition to Blue Sky, which is something that I've hesitantly done, but...
	Must be done.
	I like it over there.
	Eventually the whole world is going to collapse.
	The social media network collapsed.
	It's coming.
	You can always find us at...
	LouderThanCrowder.com, LouderThanCrowder.net, Shrug.club, or WokeYouTube.com.
	Those are all of our URLs.
	But yeah, until next time, until next year.
	Nice.
	High strangeness here.
	We already decided it was going to be a high strangeness year for sure.
	Well, they are talking drones, so we'll see if they got any tips on the MCU tip line.
	But yeah, until next time.
	Deadpool's face is fucked up.
	I'm Byron.
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