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EPISODE 24: SOUTH BY SOUTH MESS '17

Howdy, partners. This week, as Byron prepares to head to Occupied Texas for SXSW, we decided it might be fun to explore Steven's relationship with the confrence/festival. Saddle up folks...this is a wild ride. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an Audio World original.
	This is a video of the audio world.
	My name's Byron.
	I'm joined.
	Soon to be in person by Jared.
	Yes, sir.
	And your way.
	And Dennis is here.
	I'm here and I'm not coughing anymore.
	Yeah.
	I might cough a couple of times.
	That sucked.
	But less.
	And this isn't going to be a normal episode.
	First, apologies for missing a week without giving a heads up.
	I don't want to do that.
	I was in Vegas doing a separate podcast project.
	Cocaine.
	Thought I could edit it on the road.
	What was that, Jared?
	Cocaine?
	That's not what I call another podcast project.
	Sex workers.
	No!
	Cocaine.
	No, it'll come out at some point.
	But, turns out, didn't edit on the road.
	That wasn't cool.
	And I'll try to not do that moving forward because I respect our audience.
	Why did you use that while driving?
	Like with a self-driving Tesla or something?
	Uh, what's that?
	There's like a Mo... Waymo?
	Waymo.
	What's that?
	What is this?
	Self-driving.
	Totally self-driving.
	Yeah, you'll see him when you stop down here.
	He had one cough.
	Sorry, I coughed.
	Put a quarter in the old can there, Dennis.
	You better hear it.
	Yeah, I'm just saying like you'll probably see a ton of them.
	They are a fleet of self-driving cars constantly getting themselves stuck in residential streets.
	Yeah, that stinks.
	All right, get it out.
	Yep, I'll turn it up.
	I'm hopping on an airplane tomorrow, and I'm gonna head to Occupied Texas for South by Southwest.
	So strong.
	Yeah, I wouldn't dare leave you guys with another gap in an episode.
	I thought it might be fun to try something different.
	And another caveat here, heads up.
	It was in our first episode, I believe, I said that this wouldn't just be a podcast where we're dunking on Steven Crowder.
	We are blocking him, slamming on him.
	Oh, so you're doing mother basketball things.
	Dunking, dribbling on him.
	Nope, we're actually gonna be dunking on Steve in this episode.
	Horsing around.
	Yeah, it's gonna be a bit rougher, a little less edited because I will likely be editing this, putting it together at the airport.
	Nice.
	Did you get a first class ticket at least?
	No, I didn't.
	I'm gonna probably sit middle seat.
	Nice.
	That kind of guy.
	Audience, folks listening, if you don't wanna hang out with us while we poke fun, we'll be back next week with a more structured episode.
	I love poking fun sometimes.
	For folks who have chosen to hang out, we all know Steven's a Texas boy.
	Through and through.
	And for decades, South by Southwest has been a culturally significant film, music, comedy, and then something they used to call an interactive convention.
	Yeah, what is that now?
	Is that where they just get the US Army to accidentally sign you into some sort of platoon?
	That's a boat, isn't it?
	You think you're trying to RSVP to an event and then you're just like, oh damn it, I'm in the army now.
	I've enlisted.
	Do recruiters trick people with Southpaw?
	I don't think so, but... This year is, I'll have you know, South by Southwest is sponsored by Raytheon.
	Fuck!
	There are so many artists that are just dropping out all of a sudden.
	Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
	Palestine and things.
	Yeah, it's gonna be a fun, it's gonna be a fun year.
	I'm really excited to, you know, experience it.
	I took a year off and I'm back, baby.
	But, of course, Steven, he wouldn't have any interest in being here.
	No, he's too good for it.
	He doesn't care about this multi-weekend A multi-week event.
	Pardon me.
	I guess it's two weekends as well.
	Yeah, it's both.
	Yeah, it's uh... You wouldn't care about that.
	I don't think so.
	It's fun.
	It's hip.
	It's on the pulse of culture.
	It's groovy.
	Sure.
	So I dug in.
	Okay.
	To see if he'd ever attend it, of course.
	Curious.
	And I found this.
	Did you and Cenk ever do anything together or no?
	Oh god, well I showed up.
	Technically.
	Technically, I crashed the South by Southwest panel of Cenk Uygur as Cenk Uygur.
	So I showed up and I was like, I'm the real Cenk Uygur!
	And the reason I did this impression was because they would pick on me when I was this tiny YouTube channel.
	And then once I grew big enough, I was like, well let's do a debate, you know, because they would pick on me.
	They said no, and all of a sudden I was like Voldemort.
	They wouldn't acknowledge my name.
	So, uh, this is from an appearance on the March 6th, 2023 episode of the PBD podcast.
	You familiar with this one?
	Patrick bet David?
	No, okay.
	Oh, yeah, um, we pulled a clip for the Hodge twins episode.
	Yeah, I don't even know how to describe Patrick bet David.
	A conservative commentator, I think it's Enlightenment, I think is what... I don't know.
	I think he's dry and kind of boring and it's not dry.
	It's like...
	It's like a suit podcast.
	Is he a guy with a mullet?
	No.
	From what I can remember... I've seen a lot of guys with a mullet a lot lately.
	Patrick that David, it's just... He seems like a guy, he's like trying to hype up his guest.
	But if you could do a verbal version of standing behind somebody and massaging their shoulders and being like, yeah, tell me what else is going on, bud.
	Yeah, I guess he's just gassing folks up.
	That's kind of what his podcast reminds me of.
	But he reminds me of someone's rich dad that might offer you a beer or something.
	I don't know.
	Sure.
	It's not my kind of guy.
	What is he talking about, though?
	Well, he brings up this beef between the Young Turks, TYT, and LWC, Lutter with Grouter.
	So, what I would do is I would do these Young Turks parodies, where I would do impressions of them, and then I would actually run them back then as ads before Young Turks videos.
	So cool.
	And they got really pissed.
	Funny little prank.
	And just to move through this Patrick bet David experience here, quite an embarrassing way to wrap up a podcast.
	This is the last chunk of a two hour conversation where, I don't know if this was planned, but Patrick pulls up this video of this confrontation.
	Of Stephen confronting.
	Yeah, and, uh, I mean, this is how it goes.
	That's you as him?
	Yeah, it's the most embarrassed I've ever been in my life, but I just felt like I had to do it.
	Is that him right there?
	That's him.
	He gained a ton of weight for the, uh, you put a pillow in his stomach?
	He had to do it, and he certainly wasn't bigger at the time.
	No, no, no, of course not.
	Not that that matters, of course.
	Obviously an interesting sore spot in Steven's past.
	Something he doesn't really want to talk about, but he's actively embarrassed about.
	Yeah, it sounds like he should be.
	He put a mole on his cheek?
	Sure.
	And maybe put like a kind of did brown face at him?
	It's a little brown face.
	Oh no, Steven.
	And it's not the first time because those ads that he said that were like parodies of the Young Turks, which I mean back in 2017 was an incredibly popular show.
	It's still still rather popular.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Program.
	But 2017 was definitely the highest.
	Yeah, because they were like one of the only people doing live stream daily shows.
	Yeah.
	And we'll talk more about exactly what he did to prepare for this confrontation.
	But yeah, Jared, you kind of nailed it on the head.
	It is, I would say, brownface.
	Yeah, I'd be comfortable saying that.
	I'm so befuddled by what I am looking at right now, because it's just Steven Crowder.
	I'm not looking up.
	Yeah, why not?
	Like if he got his contouring color incorrect and it just went like a little four shades too dark.
	Yeah, I can't wait to tell you exactly what he did, his skincare routine.
	But let's listen in to a bit of this very cool necessary exchange that he had.
	Okay, so this is not a friend of mine.
	This is what he does.
	for me. He basically makes money by buying my dick. This is Went 27.
	2017.
	Closet?
	Closet?
	I love that you cracked him.
	It's a total d- but again, he picked on me and I'm like, let's do this.
	They had it in the wrong place, so we had him in the wrong hotel.
	I went to the wrong Marriott.
	He's dressed in full check outfit, he comes out and there's like no ballroom B or whatever it was.
	And I think I walked past Bill Nye.
	Cool brag I guess, I don't know.
	I got a Bill Nye brag myself, Steven.
	This is just like really depressing.
	It's not great.
	And it, you know, it took me down a road.
	But before we hop on the road, let's ride this track.
	Let's pull this train into Justification Station.
	Okay.
	You know, what a big thing is, is they had, they said, Stephen calls women, you know, lying whores and he's sexist.
	And they even break this rule.
	Whenever we tell a joke on air, like, Joe, what do I always say?
	If we tell a joke that we know is going to get some heat, always make sure that there's, I say like 30 seconds before 30 seconds, the people have context.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because people will go and they'll afford you that, right?
	They'll look at the context, say it was a joke.
	And I think this was a joke with Christine Blasey Ford, remember, which we now all know is fake.
	Yeah, it's 100%.
	So we know from the episodes that we've chosen to cover that he doesn't give justification for calling women awful things all the time.
	Of course not.
	I remember very vividly Once he was just making fun of Lizzo for dressing up as like Baby Yoda or something.
	Yeah.
	He said that fat whores just gel together.
	Interesting.
	Because he just couldn't distinguish between like Well, I mean, he could, he just wanted to give up.
	Yes, of course.
	But I remember that so vividly, showing a friend that clip, a quote-unquote friend that clip.
	Uh-oh.
	And he thought it was hilarious.
	And I don't talk to that guy anymore.
	Yeah, some people really think this comedy show is a hoot.
	But Stephen doesn't, he doesn't like, he's like, this is gonna be a controversial one, just so you guys know, let me get some, let me get some context around this shitty thing I'm gonna say.
	It's funny you say context, though.
	He doesn't give a fuck about context.
	Well, and I do.
	Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find the Louder with Crowder episode from March 13th, 2017 on their feed, which is the day after crashing Sync's panel.
	But I was able to find it on a Crowder fan channel.
	Oh, great.
	Did he remove it?
	I'm not sure.
	Welcome to Discussion with a Lot of Us Better here, live from the South by Southwest.
	Film, what do you call it?
	Film, music?
	Well, that's what it used to be.
	It used to be a film festival.
	For those who don't know, this is a producer with me outside of the video studio.
	For the first time is Jared, who is not gay.
	Follow him on Twitter at notgayjared.
	Me at scratter.
	I fulfill my legal obligations, draw your own conclusions.
	By the way, before we get into it, Dr. Mike Simpson will be on with us to talk about physiology and obesity and whether that has negative health ramifications.
	Hint!
	Well, I hear you can't hear me.
	It kind of does.
	It kind of does.
	Of course, Army Ranger Tim Kennedy will be with us to talk about free speech, because guess what?
	He's fought for free speech.
	He has fought for it, so he probably knows a thing or two.
	Kind of a big deal about it.
	And we'll be talking about the chink.
	fallout over there in his panel and why that happened and why I was such a
	douche a little bit it was well warranted in this instance it's the
	first time you've seen me act that way and hopefully the last so no him but
	yeah this let me paint a picture here we got one camera pointing at them it's
	live-streaming at a cafe that they chose to not say the name of because if like
	someone called they would have been kicked off of the patio of this cafe
	we said cafe I think probably somewhere on 6th Street I don't know
	Where in typical Crowder fashion, he has a banner in front of him.
	Nice, classic.
	Not changed my mind though.
	I do think he's got to have a banner guy though.
	He's got this guy.
	He's got a lot of banners.
	Hey Mike, I need a new banner.
	I'm headed out to South By.
	What does this one say?
	Uh, just louder.
	Louder with Grouter.
	Oh, okay.
	It's like a logo banner.
	Boring.
	Yeah, not great, but I mean, do you get discounts?
	Does he plan his whole year of Change My Minds ahead of time?
	Probably.
	Get a quantity discount.
	Do you think he has a Change My Mind banner that he's probably gonna sell on his store for like a... Oh, I think he would have by now if he wanted to.
	He would, yeah.
	Sitting with him, they mentioned it's the old Gerald, a guy who I'd love to talk with at some point.
	Is that a Hoi guy?
	No, no, no.
	Of course not.
	This is years before that.
	This is Not Gay Jared.
	Jared who's not gay.
	Not to be confused with me.
	Who is curious, Jared.
	Also not gay.
	Not gay, but more accepting of the thought.
	We'll talk more about him in a future episode for sure, but we've got some ground to cover.
	Let's hear what Jared thinks about Southwest.
	What was your first impression here at South by Southwest?
	First, lots of people with blue hair.
	Yeah.
	For one.
	Lots of blue hair.
	And you kind of surprised, kind of knew their politics right away.
	By the way, he didn't mean blue hairs like you'd find in an old Episcopal church.
	No.
	He means dyed blue hair from people who hate America.
	Yeah.
	Is that a symbol of an American hatred?
	It's like the bat signal, except for angry lesbians.
	Oh, just a flashback to a simpler time, I guess.
	Do you realize that Steven does this so, um, as like an applause break?
	You think that's what he was doing?
	He does it all the time.
	He makes a stupid joke.
	It's a great observation.
	I have never noticed that.
	Not only was it obviously an offensive joke, but it was just a stupid, lazy joke.
	Yeah, I mean, not even a joke.
	Is this 2018?
	Is this 2018?
	17.
	17.
	17, bro.
	2017.
	Yeah.
	Was there any reason?
	I'm just trying to see what was going on that year.
	Okay, good.
	Yeah, I mean, it was a year into Trump, or Trump was probably president at this time for like two months.
	Yeah, yeah, early on.
	It was a very early on in his presidency.
	But yeah, what else is going on in the world, and what is the game plan for this, what would we call this, an excursion into the liberal bastion in celebration that is South by Southwest?
	You noticed that.
	What I first noticed was we talked about this.
	Hey, we're going to go into some panels.
	By the way, today's show is all packages, hidden camera panels.
	We have one where we went to my body is not safe for work and an anti-free speech panel.
	So you'll be seeing those packages.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	My thought was like, hey, we need to find some panels to go to.
	And I thought it was going to be difficult to figure out which ones to crash.
	Right.
	We pulled the schedule of events, and it could not have been more on our face.
	It was like, how do we even choose?
	Because it was like a buffet of poor decisions.
	It was a buffet of poor decisions.
	A smorgasbord, smorgasbord, smorgasbord.
	It was a cornucopia.
	Yes, of bad decisions.
	And it was so blatant.
	They didn't even try to hide it within the titles of the panels.
	It's nice to know that I'm not the only one stumbling over my words tonight.
	Yeah.
	Bad company?
	There were much better puns and jokes to make.
	Yeah.
	I do hear those grackles though in the background, Jared.
	I can't wait to be in the... What's that?
	What do they call it?
	Austin is the what city?
	Liberal shithole of Texas.
	Yeah, I've got my hair all dyed.
	Yeah Do you have your blue streaks in?
	Of course I do.
	Come on now.
	I'm a streamer.
	I'm getting mine in right now.
	I started right before we started here.
	I actually have a booth there where I put blue streaks in for people.
	That's pretty cool.
	You make a lot of money.
	I say back the blue.
	That's what it says.
	We gotta go.
	We gotta see Dennis while he's here too.
	I can't wait to see Dennis.
	South by Southwest 2017 comprised of 11 keynotes, 107 featured sessions, 835 panel sessions, 128
	dual presentations, 231 solo presentations, 81 workshops, 414 mentor sessions, 43 pitch sessions,
	37 book readings, 27 encore sessions, 193 meetups, 12 roundtable discussions,
	and uh you know it was just not that hard to find the panels that they chose.
	It was a cornucopia of terrible things.
	Do you want to know how many they crashed?
	One, two.
	Two.
	Yeah, well and the the sank thing, but yeah, that wasn't that was an intention.
	They didn't go to the Alien Covenant Ridley Scott Q&A?
	I was at that actually, that's funny.
	Ridley Scott was, fuck I was there that year then, Ridley Scott was shit-faced and trying to read off a teleprompter.
	It was pretty pretty incredible.
	That was a good time.
	It's sad to think that I was in the same city at the same time.
	You could have shaken his hand, man.
	Could have shaken that man's hand.
	We could have met on... You heard of Billie Eilish?
	You check this out yet, Steven?
	This is the first year for Billie?
	I think so.
	First popping off here.
	Okay, great.
	So what panels did they decide to take down with their gotcha questions?
	We went in, we respected their rules, and when they opened it up to questions, we asked them questions.
	But the first one was, my body is not safe for work.
	It was about intersectional feminism and body pride, fat pride, with three Yeah, that's not a surprise to pick that of course.
	So he could have gone to anything and he went to that one?
	I guess so.
	I want to get fucking pissed.
	He definitely went to one that he thought that he could be a real tough guy at, you know?
	Yeah, of course.
	He's gonna go pick on three young women.
	Folks who he thinks are lesser than him.
	Of course, yep.
	Continuing with the social justice activism panels at South by Southwest, Not Gay Jared and I attended the My Body is Not Safe for Work Fat Pride breakout session to ask a few simple, medically accurate, if mildly triggering questions.
	But before that, it's important that you see the narrative they were using to set the stage.
	Concerned trolling, I think, is a big thing in general in this space and it's like, are you actually concerned?
	Do you actually care at all about my well-being?
	If you did, maybe you wouldn't be harassing me because it's not...
	Great for my mental health.
	It's the gateway to basically just saying, I don't like you, I don't like what I'm seeing.
	We know that we aren't supposed to be mean to people.
	That's another very popular idea, and a good one.
	That we're not supposed to bully, we're not supposed to call people names and wag fingers.
	So we express worry over them instead.
	But it all amounts to the same.
	It all amounts to the same as, don't show me what you're showing me.
	But for me, it really is about just reclaiming it and saying, I'm fat.
	And the fact that you still find me attractive is your problem.
	If you see a fat girl online who hates herself and is in sweatpants and talking about how miserable she is and crying, people are much more likely to be supportive of her diet and her exercise.
	But when you're confident and you're saying I love myself and here I am in a bikini and I'm okay as I am, immediately people have You know, I have really strong feelings about that.
	Pause!
	So wait, you mean to say that when you're vulnerable and upset, people are kind and consoling and willing to offer supportive advice, but when you're arrogant and bombastic, people are put off?
	They've got some nerve on them!
	I'm confused.
	So someone being confident and wearing a bikini is arrogant and bombastic?
	Oh yeah.
	Which is something that I think he values if you're a man.
	For sure.
	As if Steven's not arrogant and bombastic?
	Yeah, that's interesting.
	I think that we've proven that he is most certainly bull of those things.
	Maybe we didn't see it.
	On the video was he...
	Was he looking in a mirror on the video?
	I don't think so.
	Not that I saw, yeah.
	And also, I don't see anything wrong with what they've aired so far of these young women talking, especially even though it's cut to hell.
	It is.
	This is the most controversial thing that we can find here.
	Can you believe what she said?
	She said that if you're confident, people react differently.
	Can you believe this woman is saying that if I find her attractive, that's my problem?
	What?
	It's a hoot, honestly.
	But yeah, this panel, My Body's Not Safe for Work, Kelsey Miller launched the anti-diet program on Refinery29.
	This is all aging and dating this very well.
	Refinery29 isn't very popular, is it, anymore?
	I don't know.
	I've never heard of it, but I also haven't heard of most things.
	I see it every once in a while, still pop up.
	Kelsey launched the Anti-Diet Project in 2013.
	Today, the radical concept of body positivity has gone mainstream.
	This is from the breakdown of the panel here.
	The anti-retouching movement began.
	Gabby Fresh launched the hashtag FatKiniRevolution and Nicolette Mason is one of the media's most recognized fashion influencers.
	But have we really made progress or just headlines?
	Large bodies are still flagged as inappropriate on social media.
	I remember that being a big issue on Instagram.
	These women still face threatening comments, censorship, harassment and outright abuse online, which undeniably, I think that he is abusing them.
	Now, readers voice vitriolic, quote, concern about what they are, quote, promoting.
	On the internet, plus-sized bodies are still not safe for work, and the internet is where we live our lives, which is sad, but correct.
	It's the truth.
	Yeah.
	It's where we live, for sure.
	I don't see anything wrong with this panel.
	No, not at all.
	Stephen thought it was an easy target, and he just went, and he's just made himself look like a fool because At the end of the day, let people live their lives.
	He's like a freedom of speech advocate, or so he says he is.
	Do you want to hear how this confrontation goes?
	I bet it goes great.
	I'm also, I don't know, voluptuous?
	Sure, I have really big boobs, I guess.
	But I am fat, and that's okay.
	You touched on something which I think is important earlier about healthcare, affordable access to healthcare.
	I think you said a human right.
	So in that sense, with the fact that people who are overweight, like myself, or obese, are three to seven times more likely to develop diabetes, or cost $256 billion more per year, isn't that a concern of the taxpayer?
	Don't they have a right to have an opinion, and just like smoking, encourage healthier body styles, if the taxpayer is involved in this decision?
	I mean, this is like obviously an incredibly nuanced conversation.
	I think it starts a lot younger and a lot earlier than by the time anyone has developed some of those issues or gained the weight.
	I think you can't talk about that without also talking about the food industry and corn subsidies and access to healthcare for prenatal care.
	Oh, so Flint, Michigan's tap water made you fat.
	and education. You can't just talk about that people have diabetes and have more likelihood
	to end up with diseases that cost the taxpayer without talking about the entire approach
	to body's health or access to food, water. Flint, Michigan still doesn't have clean water,
	hasn't for three years.
	Oh, so Flint, Michigan's tap water made you fat. Well, that explains it.
	I love that she gave a very great answer to that.
	Reasonable!
	Good, thought-out answer about how health is beyond just, you know, how you look currently in that moment, how you are currently in that moment.
	Well, and we're talking about the current moment as well, in saying that, like, education, it could change things moving forward, but right now we need to be more accepting of the people as they are now.
	Yes.
	And we also need to address the factors that go into this becoming more of a problem.
	Food insecurity or wealth inequality.
	Food deserts.
	Yes, huge problem.
	But the water!
	The Flint water!
	Of course, yeah.
	It's about taxpayers.
	And he posted this clip of him just getting torn apart?
	Kind of.
	Okay.
	Cool, Steven.
	Good work.
	But he interrupted it with a record scratch.
	Oh yeah, I get them.
	God, I'm good with that.
	I do want to say to that end, the record scratches, that I'm glad he's not really doing a lot of these like man on the street type of things.
	Because this is really like not his bag.
	No, it's not.
	Playing that... Over people that he doesn't like.
	That works.
	It really is convincing me, Steven.
	Yep, they are foolish when you play clown music behind them.
	Royalty-free clown music.
	We need to post more of the sad Steven reading monologues with his sad piano.
	Those are fun, yeah.
	Follow us on Twitter, at Van Crowder.
	And Blue Sky too, yeah.
	The point I was trying to make is that, like, this last episode that we did with the Joanne Reed interview that he got real weepy about.
	And he's still talking about her this week too, by the way.
	I think I saw a brief clip of it show up in my conservative YouTube and I clicked away from it.
	Yeah, I started a whole other one because it's insidious.
	But his tactic to try to misunderstand people He didn't do it very well in this last clip that we heard because she says she's making a case for like everybody everywhere.
	And so it's like if you're going to talk about fat people and diabetes, she's not referring to herself.
	She's talking about like, well, what about the people in Flint, Michigan?
	Sure.
	Kendrick.
	So, so she gives us all the ingredients and Stephen still misconstrues what she's saying.
	He's like, we heard what she said.
	He does it better now.
	Like he's, it's the same tactic, but it seems like he's learned, um, how to actually do this, how to pull it off.
	And it's just to like, actually don't let them hear what the other person's That's insane.
	Steamroll them and don't air the actual answers.
	Just don't, yeah, don't, just, here's two seconds and that's all you're gonna actually get and I will make up the rest of this scenario for you.
	And he doesn't heavy hand on the record scratch anymore.
	It's like cooking with a toddler, like you give them the ingredients and they just throw the eggs on the floor.
	And that's kinda cool, right?
	They make a good thing.
	Do you think Steven's a good cook?
	I don't think he cooks, other than on his Traeger, which he's out of petting.
	He's always smoking, dude.
	Smoking on the Traeger.
	He's always not feeling so well, so it's hard to motivate when you're sick.
	If we see a statistical risk pool, do we also agree that insurance companies should have the right to discriminate in that sense?
	I do not.
	I mean, none of us would agree that it's okay to discriminate against fat bodies up here, but if you are You know, excluding people or penalizing people based on size.
	You're not just discriminating based on size, you're also discriminating based on a number of things including racial and ethnic backgrounds, for example.
	Wait, pause.
	Did she just insinuate that black people are fat?
	I don't remember what that was that happened.
	I imagine it was probably a person of color like tripping and falling.
	Yeah.
	That's probably what he would play.
	But yeah I mean this goes back to like the wealth gap between white folks and minorities.
	Or like when COVID was around and you know black people were dying at a higher rate of than white people of COVID.
	Statistics don't give a crap about how you feel about them.
	No, but I mean... And there's just... It's a point to consider and talk about.
	Well, I mean, we just have to remember, though, that that wealth gap, like, means that there's less access to healthier options with food.
	Of course.
	And if you ask me, I don't think insurance companies should kick anybody off because I don't think insurance companies should even exist.
	Yeah.
	Did anyone specifically say black bodies in that clip or is it just Steven?
	No, it was just Steven.
	So just like minorities in general may have a different experience than white people.
	Exactly!
	You're talking about black people?
	Fat black people?
	She also could have implied that white people are more commonly overweight.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't really know the stance on this, but that's a wild leap for me.
	Steven saw an opportunity to be racist, so he had to go for it.
	Yeah.
	Jump in.
	You give him the bait, he'll take it.
	Well, I think he's still going.
	None of us have an issue with promoting healthy lifestyles.
	I think in our case, actually, it's a really big part of our identities.
	And Brantley, Nicolette, and I talk a lot about we're both gluten-free, etc., because of our conditions.
	Crack or scratch.
	It's the gluten.
	That's the ticket.
	And that being said, I am very much someone who wants to promote living in healthy ways, but I don't equate that necessarily to a certain size.
	But if there's like a 700% chance, more likelihood, of someone, you know, developing heart disease or diabetes, should we promote that, you know, for kids who are coming up?
	Of course not.
	It must have been the gluten.
	No, we should not promote to lose weight.
	We should promote healthy behaviors.
	There's a much larger issue of the way we stigmatize bodies, the way they're approached in the medical and health
	industry, the way that the medical-industrial complex
	is structured in general.
	Course not.
	It must have been the gluten and what have you.
	I like the banjo-kazoo sometimes.
	He just fucking yada yada yada them.
	He just does that in one hand.
	The Banjo-Kazooie voice is all he's doing.
	See, I've never played it.
	Oh, it's that music.
	He runs around going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	Yeah, I mean, he's totally missing the point.
	All she's saying is like, it shouldn't be about weight.
	It should be about health.
	Well, it's the exact same reason that they can't figure out the difference between biological sex and gender.
	Yeah.
	Because they're like, you use the same term to describe it though.
	You know, it's called body fat.
	So it has to be, it has to be the same as like being physically fat.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	It's the same thing.
	You're transforming in front of my eyes, right?
	Transforming, dude.
	That's right.
	Wow.
	And I'm just trying to like figure out what, like where, Okay.
	If you go low carb, no carb, right?
	You do like a keto diet that's like high protein, right?
	Then it's like, that proves that you, you know, like you can lose weight that way.
	And, and then, but is he confusing that with like being gluten free?
	Because gluten, you have like celiac disease.
	You gotta remember, this is 2017.
	This is really funny stuff, I don't know.
	2017 was like, this was like a big talking point.
	It was a new-ish phenomenon, I guess.
	I know it's not new-new.
	Wait a minute, people are like not eating bread all of a sudden because it makes their bodies like do an inside-out kind of thing?
	Well, and I mean it's it's I think what's crazy is like Steven has to know that there's like differences in types of fat in our body Yeah, right.
	There's like what is really important is not a number.
	It's exactly it's Behaviors and if at the end of the day if your doctor says hey, you're in good shape.
	You're you're fit.
	You're fine Yeah, but what about the diabetes?
	I mean, I think everyone would prefer not to have diabetes.
	Can we address the diabetes though?
	You said all this stuff, but I've not heard a single thing about diabetes.
	They seem kind of fed up with Steven after giving him like three pretty great answers.
	So they pass the mic to the next person.
	It's Jared.
	Jared had a question of his own.
	I appreciate you putting this on, I'm just, I think I'll learn a lot.
	Great.
	Question for you, you talked about some studies, and I'm sure there's probably a lot of studies out there,
	but there's been several studies that show that when polling men, for instance this one,
	out of New South Wales and Sydney, the study involved almost 60,000 volunteers
	rating almost 1,000 variations of a female figure, and what the discovery was was that
	more attractive ones were almost always tall, and thinner, rather than large and curvy.
	Question for you is, is it possible that within fighting the idea of body shaming,
	there's actually a possibility of shaming natural male biology that prefers
	thinner, leaner, healthier women?
	Yeah.
	What about?
	What about that survey said it's natural male biology and not societal?
	I think a lot of that is socialized.
	I think a lot of our preferences are socialized.
	Are they asking babies?
	That's something that's really apparent when you go to other cultures and ask their preferences.
	Our attraction is so much socialized.
	Of course it is.
	We found that this is actually true across generationally.
	The idea that people just, or men just biologically, come out of the womb attracted to thin, tall
	women is like ridiculous.
	And also I am most offended by the female comments.
	I mean, it's not surprising to me that there's some white male that are interested in white
	women.
	Can we get this woman's question please?
	Is it possible that there's healthy mothers?
	You're allowed to be attracted to whoever you're attracted to.
	But I think that's a really good question.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	If a person is not attracted to me because my body is larger, I don't care.
	There's a million of other people who are.
	In fact, I wish fewer men would.
	I'm not hearing any shame.
	I'm not hearing any shame.
	Nobody's shaming you for liking thin women.
	That's not the problem.
	We don't care.
	But it's, yeah, I think it's okay.
	Well that went well.
	Damn, he got his fuckin' cheeks clapped on that one.
	What an asshole.
	Oh man, that was hilarious.
	I mean, Jared's out of his depth.
	Excuse me, biologically, men like tall, thin women biologically.
	It's science.
	Across generations, of course.
	What a jackass.
	I mean, we've heard some pretty dumb shit on this show, but that was like...
	Wow.
	I'm glad Steven has maybe moved on from that.
	I mean like that- This is a totally different Jared, right?
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, that was Gerald Morgan.
	This is Jared, not Gerald.
	And this is Jared.
	Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
	Different guy.
	Where did this guy go?
	See, it's interesting.
	He said that he needed to step away from the show.
	He needed to spend more time with family.
	He's hanging out on the BBW subreddits, dude.
	I keep getting shamed for what I find attractive.
	Like by who?
	And they're like, my boss Steven.
	Yeah, my boss Steven.
	Well, I think it was not gay Jared was the guy who got the balls draped over his shoulder.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he is the one of like the former, one of the former employees that has not come out and said anything.
	So he must have either an ironclad NDA or he has respect for Steven which I doubt that is.
	I mean he could also be like under like advice of counsel to be like hey just let this shit go.
	Just let it go.
	I have I mean I've I've checked it in on him on Twitter.
	He's still active and he still is kind of a piece of shit.
	Okay cool.
	But I think he's just doing consulting.
	For people like this?
	Great.
	Sounds like a consultant here.
	These guys were doing this instead of hanging out with Kevin Spacey at the Baby Driver world premiere.
	I was at that too.
	I high-fived Jon Hamm by the way.
	Nice.
	John Ambrose.
	He was good.
	Who was the main guy?
	Augustus?
	Ansel Elgort?
	Ansel.
	Ansel Elgort.
	It was a great time.
	That was a fun movie.
	Great.
	I guess I was doing that instead of, I don't know, giving the illusion of support of your opinions like Stephen.
	He sends his fucking other guy up to like disrupt this panel and pretend like they've got some sort of downward motivation here.
	Tommy Wiseau was just walking around like outside the door and he was doing this.
	You know that I did a late-night screening of The Room after the world premiere of what was the film?
	Disaster Artist.
	Yeah, I was at the world premiere of Disaster Artist and then they did a screening of The Room with Tommy Wiseau in the same theater afterwards.
	Only made it halfway because it was late.
	A lot of guys got canceled from this year.
	That's true, but that was a good time.
	That was fun.
	So I was like a little too busy that year apparently, but That didn't go well.
	I don't know if we have much to say other than those are two of the biggest dipshits I've ever heard talk.
	Yeah.
	That was bananas.
	It's just embarrassing.
	Well, yeah, embarrassing.
	Can we tweet at him real quick and tell him this shit's embarrassing?
	No.
	He might hear this whole episode.
	Who knows?
	Embarrassment can be funny.
	And this is, of course, a comedy show, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	With the maximum triggering occurring, we had to get the hell out of there.
	But as cis white males, we wanted to ensure that we weren't wrong with our information.
	So we decided to sit down with a local doctor, Dr. Mike Simpson, to get his professional opinion.
	Also, side note, we did have one other cameraman with us at that panel, but he got eaten.
	Speaking of eating, Armie Hammer was there this year too.
	I didn't high-five Armie Hammer, but I'm not gonna play any of that Mike interview.
	That's just some weird old white guy doctor.
	So of course he's gonna have opinions about women's weight.
	Whatever.
	Fuck it.
	Who cares?
	Did he really just make a joke that... The women ate his camera guy.
	Yeah, that's pretty cool.
	Pretty good.
	How stupid.
	See, I usually cut the jokes.
	Like, you don't hear a lot of the comedy portions of this show.
	It's dumb.
	Is it all that dumb?
	It's kind of the top tier of it, honestly.
	Oh my gosh.
	Back to the live stream and on to the next panel.
	This is new.
	I'll stick around.
	We're going to be talking about free speech.
	So this was, you know, we did the Fat Rod panel.
	Thank you.
	And then we had to do a panel on free speech.
	Title?
	Ah, gosh.
	Nazi, Nazi, hate speech, Nazi.
	Fighting something Nazis?
	Something along that.
	Fighting extremism was a panel from ISIS to Nazis.
	Not a whole lot of mention of ISIS.
	More so discussion of Nazis.
	You'd expect to just walk out of this panel and it would look like a scene from Inglorious Bastards right there.
	Apparently Nazis have made a comeback.
	So apparently Triumph of the Will just came out last year.
	Yes, exactly.
	And it was one of these issues, we'll talk about this with Tim.
	I didn't expect it to be as brash.
	Did you not, KJ?
	I thought it was going to be much more under the skin, a little more subtle, a little more kind of undercover.
	It was not.
	No, it was not.
	This, to me, was the most disturbing.
	I know that being a fat broad thing is funny, but it still frames in hate speech, this Orwellian society of what you can and cannot say, but this We've got a panel specifically on freedom of speech online, what we need to do about it.
	I thought it was really concerning and let's lead it off with Germans, by the way, Germans of all people.
	Listen, world war is under your belt all the time, okay?
	I look in your eyes, I see a little bit of holocaust.
	I'm not saying you do it.
	So glad I'm on camera for this.
	about censoring speech anytime I hear we must do this so glad I'm on camera
	uncomfortable let's go to what they were saying about social media and what we
	need to do with speech first doctor immediately regretted having just
	concluded an interview with Steven yeah Was that the doctor?
	Yeah.
	Ooh, bad call.
	That's not good.
	This panel is not fighting extremism online from ISIS to neo-Nazis.
	It's countering extremism online from ISIS to neo-Nazis.
	Subtle difference, but still.
	Steven sounds like he was upset by this panel.
	Why would they say that about my homies?
	Well, that's the thing, it's like, why say anything?
	Yeah, especially if they didn't hit the Hitler bad button.
	They didn't?
	Not this time, that segment hasn't created.
	It's like going to like a... I didn't think I needed to say it.
	How to stop bullying in schools and being like, actually, we should really discuss what it means to be a bully.
	What is a bully?
	Interesting conversation.
	No, I, this, remember 2017, this is when alt-right was being thrown around.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	A term that we don't often hear anymore.
	Is that when Charlotte happened?
	Uh, when did, when did the Charlotte, Charlotte protest happen?
	Yeah, it was 2017, I thought, right?
	I think that, that seems right, it was within the first year.
	This is the, like, Tiki Torch guys.
	Of course, and, you know, attached to that label was Steven, and also attached to that label was neo-Nazis because of Richard Spencer, so.
	I think that he was frequently being called a neo-nazi at this point and that rubbed him the wrong way, I guess?
	Sure.
	so much so that he attended this panel which is described as
	the internet is a powerful tool. Violent extremists from ISIS militants to the far
	right have used it to devastating effect, but can it be used equally powerful when
	harnessed for human rights? As hate speech and violent ideology spread
	online we need new counter-messaging strategies to combat extremism.
	Interesting, like podcasts or something. This panel will examine the ideological
	underpinnings of these groups as well as why their propaganda is often so effective.
	I get it.
	explore methods of countering hate online and off and ask tough questions
	that are about what are tech companies responsibilities for dealing with hate
	speech and their platforms while considering the implications for free
	speech and censorship in online spaces. I get it so Steven was attending as like a
	liaison for the propaganda. I guess.
	Yeah.
	South by Southwest is basically a cultural Bilderberg group, right?
	Yeah, basically, same thing.
	South by Southwest is one of the biggest creative meeting of minds in the country annually.
	Is that Steve?
	It's a film festival, it's a music festival, it's a tech festival, and now an activism festival.
	So this year I decided to go down with my production team and see just for what it was that they were advocating.
	This was a panel that we thought We really needed a highlight because it was supposed to be about countering extremism online.
	That's how it was built.
	So much sarcasm in his voice.
	And honestly, where are all the activism festivals?
	That'd be fucking sick.
	Yeah, dude.
	I would attend.
	Like ProtestCon?
	Sure.
	PronCon.
	Big help.
	Oh, the big help with Amanda Bynes.
	Of course.
	That'd be cool.
	Danny Tamberelli's there telling me, you gotta put those leaves in a big plastic bag.
	Can I just say, like, I'm having such a hard time Googling stuff.
	Yeah?
	Like, it's just turning into, like, such an awful thing to try to, like, wade through garbage on here.
	I'm trying to figure out, I'm like, Charlottesville riot, and it's like, you mean all of this other stuff that's not related?
	Yeah.
	And I was like, what about the girl's name?
	Let's see what day she died.
	And then that will be the awful way I figure out when this happened.
	Yeah.
	August 12th, 2000.
	Good people on both sides.
	So it wasn't Charlottesville.
	It was at Charlotte.
	It was Charlottesville.
	I'm talking about Charlotte, North Carolina, where they got hit by the car.
	No, that's this one.
	Unite the Right.
	Almost starting to stare for one second.
	Yeah, this is 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
	And they are at this panel.
	But right away it got to the topic of free speech in the modern digital age.
	Let's see how they began the discussion.
	Can I pause a minute?
	Of course.
	I just want to make a prediction.
	Let's make it this way around.
	Okay.
	And this is almost the same with the online civic courage initiative of Facebook.
	We talked to Facebook for quite a few years now.
	Can I follow up?
	Of course.
	I just want to make a prediction.
	Okay.
	Steven makes fun of the accent.
	Oh, I mean he already said the German stuff, saying why Germans, remember?
	Okay. He's going to.
	Well, yeah, he might come back to it.
	So, in different parts of Europe, the issue of protected speech is very much linked, I think, to different histories.
	It's not blanket across the European Union or the continent.
	I personally don't think that all types of speech are protected, or ought not to be protected.
	Right away, to anyone who's been following the suppression of information online, that's disconcerting.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that everybody understands that freedom of speech has its limits.
	Sure.
	But I feel like people have, obviously, disagreements about where those limits lie.
	And Stephen seems to generally kind of imply that he's of the mindset that, like, you can say anything you want with, like, any of it.
	That's true.
	I mean, we heard that with the Pierce Exactly, any of it is fine, and that even if you try and tell someone that they're being an idiot, that that is violating their free speech, and it's not.
	No.
	But I just, I don't know, I mean, I feel like over in Europe, they're gonna have obviously different stances on certain things.
	Oh, because they have different libel laws.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I mean, and like historically, right?
	Like, looking at like, you know, the way that Germans would speak about the Holocaust today, there's limitations on that, right?
	Of course, yeah.
	And it's, it's, yeah, that to me makes sense because they were severely impacted by the speech, the topic of that speech, obviously.
	I mean, I think that he's concerned that white racists are having their speech limited more so than the minorities that are affected by that.
	He thinks that that's unbalanced.
	Okay.
	Alright, Steven.
	I agree that's what he thinks, but yeah, like, okay.
	Which is fine.
	Like, one, there's a fire, and one, there's not.
	He wants the focus to be equal, even though... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I've got two cups of water, one thing's on fire, I'm gonna dump them... One on the fire, and one on the not fire, to respect the not fire.
	Of course, for the homies, of course.
	Pouring one out.
	Pouring out for the homies.
	It's time to make your voice heard with some concerning questions.
	When they opened the floor to questions, I went up right away to voice my concerns, which actually didn't even seem to occur to anyone else in that room.
	There are definitely some things in this conversation that seem really concerning.
	I noticed you talking about some sort of intangible variables that can't really be quantified as to what's allowed to On Facebook or YouTube.
	Who defines what a Nazi is or a right-wing extremist?
	As someone who has been accused of being that several times, officially by organizations like Antifa, CARE, not allowed to travel to certain countries.
	I'm sure you're aware of people like Tommy Robinson who've been jailed for speech.
	Since none of this can be quantified, why don't we err on the side of freedom?
	I mean, if I'm an alt-right Nazi who literally probably supports Israel more than anyone in this room, And was a Carly Fiorina voter in the primaries, and my EP is Jewish, and he's my other producer who's gay.
	Who gets to define it?
	Why should we ban any speech online?
	I have gay and black friends, so I can say whatever I want.
	Stephen said basically nothing with that question.
	Well, he also said Jewish friends, too.
	I know, yeah.
	I actually don't know if he has black friends.
	I've never, I don't know.
	He has the Hodgewoods.
	Oh, good call.
	But they're not his friends.
	They're not friends.
	He doesn't like them.
	No, that makes sense.
	I'm their boss.
	I guess he's their boss.
	Yeah, that stinks.
	This is just uh, I think he's actually a little off topic here if I'm being honest for the panel.
	His question is just like who gets to define what a neo-nazi is.
	Yeah.
	But it's kind of one of those things where it's like if someone thinks you might be a neo-nazi, you're way too close to being a neo-nazi regardless.
	Like no one's ever like I think he might be a Nazi, but I bet that if he were to hold the door open one more time, he probably wouldn't be.
	Like, it's not like that.
	You should absolutely not be a Neo-Nazi.
	Sure.
	Or you are one.
	Someone play the Hitler bad music, right?
	That's basically what it should be.
	Well... Who gets to make the rules about Neo-Nazis?
	Right?
	Well, he's not done.
	Now, this gentleman didn't answer my question right away.
	He took a few other questions before coming back to it in order to completely not answer it.
	Thank you, Steven.
	So, uh, the issue of definitions, uh, I think is a very vital one, um, because I do think that certain types of speech are not protected.
	Um, the question is... Okay, no, you got your question, so I get to answer it.
	But I've heard you say, what is not protected?
	So, I get to answer my...
	If you want to come back up and ask more questions, then maybe the chair will allow you.
	The question about definitions, I think, is a very difficult one, because, again, who's going to agree on how this works?
	And in different countries, it goes through different types of legislation.
	Um, and in an ideal situation, there's a societal discussion about what should be permitted and what shouldn't be permitted, what sort of incitement should be permitted, what sort of incitement should not.
	I think most people agree should not be considered to be protected speech.
	Right now, your speech is not protected.
	Okay, okay.
	We have to get to this.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, I fucking got him.
	That was hilarious.
	Yeah, ripped him up a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Again, I mean, these are experts.
	That's why they're on panels.
	And Steven tries to interrupt.
	Like, let the guy finish his answer.
	Like, let him at least finish what he was saying.
	Because you just look like a fool.
	And he doesn't want to answer your question now because you're interrupting him.
	Is he still in brown face doing this?
	No, this is post... it must have been on the same day, just earlier would be my guess, but he's a stinker with bad takes and press your luck.
	That's not true.
	One is a felony, one is a word.
	Okay, so thank you very much, you've asked your question.
	I didn't ask about inciting violence, I asked about speech.
	Speech, no, we're talking about speech that incites violence.
	That's speech.
	Speech is very clearly...
	We're only talking about speech here, but some speech is like, go forth and kill all of these certain kinds of people.
	That's speech.
	And it is.
	So that's where the line is.
	When it comes to definitions, again, you are going to have different approaches in different places.
	In the UK, certain types of speech are not permitted that would be permitted in the United States.
	We've seen that many times and I think that there's a genuine discussion that can be had between proponents of different approaches and we shouldn't assume that our approach or your approach or anybody else's approach has all of the I kind of sense them ducking the clown music because they know it's just not, it's not working here.
	Because this guy, I mean, give a very thoughtful answer that's true.
	I mean, of course, this is kind of an open debate at this point, especially in the United States where we do have stronger free speech laws.
	Like, yeah, it's a socially definable thing, in my opinion.
	It will definitely is because he says that if someone says you can't incite violence or that's fine.
	That's what Steven says obviously.
	But when you dehumanize people that's like a different kind of way.
	It's not as simple.
	It's not as simple as being like go fight.
	If you say blank are blank that need to be eradicated.
	I wish someone would take care of blank.
	I wish someone would eliminate the problem of blank.
	Yeah.
	Then yeah, it's, it's just not, I think what I, it's, it's just the classic rolling back to the binary stance of a lot of these folks on the right who think that answers are black and white, that everything is black and white, that there is a yes and no.
	Um, it's, it's just, it's not like that.
	There's, there's, there's a nuance to all of it.
	And if you act like there's not, then you're just wrong.
	Yeah.
	But it was really funny.
	It was so good.
	Really worth the time, too.
	Well, he didn't get the time that he thought he deserved, so he followed the panelists into the hallway.
	Now, not wanting to interrupt the panel any further and being behind enemy lines, I decided to wait until after the session ended to approach him and respectfully ask the question again.
	You didn't answer my question.
	What is hate speech and who defines it?
	What's the answer, sir?
	You said if someone yells fire at a catheter, that's not allowed.
	I agree.
	He is right now, I believe.
	Can you switch that off?
	Sure.
	We're gonna have free speech, it is a single party consent state, I just would like the answer as far as...
	Okay, can you just...
	I can back up for you.
	You don't need to in a single party consent state.
	You can answer all your questions.
	It's a respectful question. What is hate speech and who defines it?
	I respectfully tell you...
	Surprise!
	Respectfully, I ambushed him after the panel.
	And I did lie to him about turning this off.
	What a piece of shit.
	I mean, I don't care if it's a single party consent state.
	If somebody says, I don't want to be on the record.
	Respect that.
	But also just don't ambush.
	What's that, Jer?
	I don't want to talk to you any further than I already have.
	Good day to you, sir.
	Is that not enough?
	But you didn't answer my question!
	You owe this to me!
	Yeah, I don't understand, like, hey man, back off.
	Fuck off.
	Just fuck off.
	Get the fuck away from me.
	What are you doing?
	I agree.
	Why are you here?
	Where are you here?
	What a fucking goober.
	Just dumb ambush journalism.
	Just, what are you doing?
	I mean, he has gotten better at that.
	It's not even journalism.
	It's just like, with my arms crossed to my chest, why didn't you say the thing that I was trying to get you to say?
	He called this hidden camera investigation.
	Did he really?
	Yeah, and I have my fucking iPhone at South by Southwest all the time.
	What's he talking about?
	He said he's undercover boss and he's about to get, like, his employee, like, fucking up.
	I'm glad he paid $1,300 to get all this great footage.
	What a fucking asshole, dude.
	The thing is, nobody hates being ambushed more than Steven.
	Of course!
	Cold Feet Crowder?
	The Big Ugly?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, I mean remember that whole Sam Seder bit?
	Oh yeah.
	I can't wait to talk about that because that's on our back to the past.
	Nice.
	I also really hate that he said, I respectfully asked, you didn't respectfully do shit.
	No you didn't.
	You came here to be disrespectful.
	Yes.
	That's your goal.
	Sir!
	Sir!
	Yes.
	But I think what I'm interested in so much about this so far is how different Steven's voice is.
	It was higher back then.
	It's so different.
	Yeah.
	And it's just like... You know, inhaling cigars will do that to you.
	It's true.
	He seems less angry.
	He seems less, like, outrage-y with the way he speaks.
	Sure.
	I think that's probably true.
	He did dial that in a little bit.
	But also, he's wondering, what's the highest priority in terms of concern?
	Most concerning to me, and you'll see a theme as we continue along this series, is that this is the first generation of supposed creative artists who are demanding less freedom, who are demanding more government infringement into people's lives, who are demanding more suppression of speech.
	This is just one example, but stay tuned for more.
	Oh man, so there's more of this, huh?
	Yeah, we definitely have some more.
	Was this like a thing that he did often, this style of... I don't even want to call it journalism, just guy in front of camera stuff?
	Burnalism, dude.
	Got him.
	Fuck that guy.
	Fucked him off.
	Fucking smoked his ass.
	He's definitely done these types of segments.
	This whole thing seems to be rather new to him in 2017.
	We're in the less than 200 episodes, and this is their first on-location live stream that they've done.
	It just has real like, so I bet you're wondering how I got here energy.
	Every time he talks over it, the narrative is just like, He did it at the beginning of Black and White on the Grey Issues, or was that the one at the barbershop?
	He always does voiceover over royalty-free music.
	I think what I like least about this is how bad his audio sounds.
	Well, it's about to go back to the worst audio quality.
	We return to the coffee shop stream.
	Oh, perfect.
	Nice.
	Just standing downwind, I see.
	Oh, it sounds like shit, boys.
	He's joined by the Army Ranger veteran, former MMA fighter and frequent Joe Rogan guest, Tim Kennedy.
	Oh, dope.
	No answer at all as to what hate speech is, who defines it, no understanding of a single-party consent state.
	I thought that was great to tie it back in.
	Did that concern you?
	Yeah, so the convenience about wanting to define a thing is that you want to be able to change the definition so it aligns with what you use and how you can manipulate the message.
	So if you have a narrative, but your narrative is never...
	Fucking narcs out here.
	Huge narcs.
	It is not something that's ever concrete.
	You want to be able to...
	Someone's smoking pot.
	Yeah, it is pot.
	Welcome to Austin.
	I don't know, fucking narcs out here.
	Huge narcs.
	Follow your nose!
	Oh boy.
	Don't send him to South by Southwest.
	Our security right now is like, let's get those guys!
	It's our security guy!
	It smells like burnt onions.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	I think I'm allergic to the smoke.
	This is flashing back to Steven's first house party where he just... This is like that interview after that movie that we covered.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's just so socially uncomfortable when they're not looking and gonna pee in the bonk water.
	When the guy was like, you know, you want to have this definition so people can change it.
	You ask the question, what is the definition?
	You can't be like, trick question, there is no definition.
	You can't do that.
	At the end of the day, it's all kind of like porn.
	It's hard to describe, but you know it when you see it.
	Yeah, I have a feeling that Tim Kennedy watched that little package beforehand, but I don't think he was paying attention.
	I don't think Tim Kennedy realized that he was speaking out against an anti-neo-Nazi.
	Yeah, great point.
	So what was the panel about?
	Oh, it was about free speech.
	You want to talk about it?
	Not especially.
	I wonder if Crowder knew that Tim Kennedy, that's his name?
	Yep.
	He's a freaking Californian.
	California, not my Texas over here.
	That's not good.
	He doesn't have a problem with that?
	This California move to Austin?
	He's one of the good ones, maybe.
	I don't know.
	It's been a while since I've heard Tim Kennedy on a show, but what was said next in this episode made my stomach drop.
	It won't affect you, not even a little, but it shook me to my core.
	Why not get in on that?
	Mark Duplass, Christopher Titus, Sally Cohn, Michael Ian Black.
	We have a lot of liberals on our show.
	We disagree all the time.
	And my thing is kind of, you probably understand this with grappling or training, matching intensity.
	Right?
	You're not going to just smash a white belt and hurt him.
	So I think I know why I made your stomach drop.
	Yeah, I think you did.
	you know, take your arm as a trophy because it's Tim Kennedy,
	you're going to match that intensity.
	That's the rule with training, right?
	Yeah, kick it up a notch, I'm going to meet wherever that is.
	If only for personal safety.
	That's our rule on the show.
	So I think I know why I made your stomach drop.
	Yeah, I think you did.
	Yeah, I saw your face.
	Yeah.
	Was he on the show?
	Mark Duplass was a guest on the show, March 10th, 2017, just a few days before this.
	Stephen interviewed my favorite director of all time.
	Fuck.
	Right?
	Wow.
	I'm sorry, Byron.
	I know that's gotta sting.
	Well, it reminded me of a time where Mark Duplass, in an interview around this same time, and that's probably the reason that he was the guest on the show, he got in a little bit of hot water for saying something positive or neutral about the intellectual dark web, which of course is Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, those types.
	I don't recall exactly what was said, but I know that he became Kind of a target for a little bit of the left.
	They were very critical of his fence sitting.
	I know that he is a left-wing guy.
	Sure.
	But, yeah.
	Have you found that episode and listened to it?
	I did find it.
	I did not listen to it because it's on my to-cover list.
	Okay.
	We're going to go back in the past at some point.
	Oh, I hope it's not like a don't meet your stars kind of a thing.
	No, no, I heard the first few seconds of it where he thanks Steven for letting me on your show with my Libtar views, I think is what he said.
	Okay, that gives me hope.
	Yeah, yeah, he's not a right-wing guy.
	He was definitely saying like, thanks for letting me talk to you.
	I'm surprised that Steven got him on in 2017.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I know Mark has gotten a lot more popular.
	I bet around 2017 he'd probably already inked his deals with HBO.
	He was probably fairly popular in the league at that point.
	He did Togetherness, right?
	Yeah, the show Togetherness, yeah.
	I liked that quite a bit until it made me feel uncomfortable.
	Easy?
	Easy?
	That was Joe Swanberg, different guy.
	That was the Swanberg, okay.
	Well, Swanberg was here at the 2017.
	He could have talked to him too, but instead he was doing his other bullshit.
	What was the film that I saw that Joe Swanberg premiered?
	Was that the poker one with Jake Johnson?
	Yes, yes.
	Fuck.
	Win it all?
	Is that what it's called?
	Yeah, I was at that premiere.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	I just want to circle back here to him saying that Christopher Titus was a liberal.
	Christopher Titus, I guess, is a liberal?
	I thought that was kind of funny.
	Yeah, I didn't think that.
	Who did he mention after that?
	Michael Ian Black, comedian.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Megan McCain's best friend, Michael Ian Black.
	Oh, shit.
	I didn't know that.
	That's interesting.
	You didn't know that?
	They have a book together.
	Oh.
	He put a book out with her because everyone was like Megan McCain shut the fuck up.
	Yeah.
	We don't care who your dad is like you don't deserve to be like the new state senator of Phoenix.
	Uh-huh.
	And then she was like, you know, she was on The View or some bullshit too, wasn't she?
	I think she was a co-host on The View.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So she just caught a lot of heat.
	And then Michael Ian Black stepped up and was like, you guys knock it off.
	Megan's like actually really cool, like despite that her dad is, you know, John McCain.
	And so then they like, they did a road trip together and wrote a book.
	There's like maybe a documentary out there as well.
	And it's basically just Michael Ian Black trying to explain away that Meghan McCain is a normal and cool person.
	It's like, yeah, you know, when I have to prove that about myself, my friends get together and make a documentary too, Michael.
	Jesus.
	I mean, I'm all for reaching across the aisle, but you know co-authoring a book is going pretty far.
	It's a lot.
	It's a lot.
	No one asked for it, and they did a lot for it.
	Yeah, and okay, so back in time, 2017 here, back to the cafe.
	Although it's only been a day, the reviews of Steven's panel crashing are in, and it's confirmed everyone thinks he's cringe.
	Even Tim.
	So, a lot of people weren't thrilled with what we did with Cenk.
	You watched this?
	Cenk Uygur?
	Oh, yes.
	Your thoughts?
	Very uncomfortable to watch, hence the answer.
	Yeah, it was uncomfortable.
	If anybody deserved that, not even that having an opportunity, if he would just at once have a discussion with you, let you have the opportunity and him have the opportunity, under the First Amendment, to have a discussion, to let each other's ideas go through the refiner's fire, throw it up in the air and see what comes back down, what it's actually worth, a grain of salt.
	The refiner's fire is such an Army Ranger type phrase.
	I'm not going to scoff at the Army Rangers, but I don't know, it's kind of corny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I just, I hate this classic, like, mentioning freedom of speech in private conversations.
	Sure.
	It doesn't apply.
	Well, also, there's this implication that if given the opportunity, Sink would, that Steven would debate or interview No.
	But, of course, Steven, he finds a way to become the victim in this situation.
	He is.
	He's really good at that.
	For people who don't know, a lot of people say, you're bullying.
	Yeah.
	I often bully people with five times the subscribership and millions and millions of dollars that we don't have.
	Cenk Uygur spread rumors and would slander, not only my friends, but myself, when I was a 21-year-old kid with a very small YouTube channel, the physical assault that occurred at the Lansing Rally.
	And after he spread these rumors, went out and attacked on his channel, Consistently invited him on to discuss so we could clear the air.
	I invited Chink to do exactly what you see us do on the show every week with leftists who are invited.
	We tend to be respectful.
	Sometimes it gets escalated and there was refusal after refusal after refusal and then there was a debate with Dinesh D'Souza where right away he just turned to the crowd.
	His main thing is turning to the audience.
	You got divorced!
	You went to prison!
	Everything is a personal attack and so for me This discussion could never take place unless it occurred this way.
	So I want people to understand we don't have any plans to do this with anyone else except the guy who drew first blood and then hides behind a channel.
	And I think that's fair.
	Listen.
	Fucking loser.
	The assault that he mentioned which happened in Lansing during, it was on the state capitol lawn and it was during a protest, a pro-union protest.
	And this was an interesting situation that, it's an early example of the way Stephen has masterfully used media perception to further his career.
	Sure.
	What happened is someone bumped into someone else causing them to fall over and when they got picked up they thought that it was Steven who pushed them, so they punched Steven.
	It was like a total... Can I see this clip?
	We don't need to put it on there.
	Yeah, no.
	Of course it's age-restricted, but...
	Here's the clip here.
	The way it's shot is kind of obscuring everything.
	This is Stephen's footage, of course, so he's talking to union reps here who are protesting and they're getting kind of heated, pointing fingers, but let's see as this goes forward.
	Stephen's putting his hands out.
	A quick cut there.
	He's talking to a larger guy with a leather jacket.
	Oh, Steven's got a leather jacket, too.
	Pretty cool.
	No pockets on the front.
	And a scarf under it.
	Very nice.
	Very cool.
	And here we go.
	He backs up, and then there's a cut here.
	You see this?
	A quick cut, people are moving forward, another cut, and this guy punches Steven after being shoved down by someone else, but they don't show that content.
	And it's broken up, and Steven, after this event, made the rounds.
	Bill O'Reilly, I think, had him on.
	Did he imply that Sank attacked him, though?
	No, no, no.
	This was just... I don't recall the context.
	That's what I thought he was implying.
	No, he wasn't.
	But maybe Sank said something about this.
	Oh, could be.
	I could see that, yeah.
	Either way, I'm sure at some point we'll get into the details of that because I'm sure that I missed something, but this other portion that he's talking about, what's going on Jay?
	IBEW member at the rally against right-to-work in Michigan.
	Okay.
	IBEW is... International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.
	Nice.
	Cool.
	I think.
	Yeah, that sounds right.
	So the idea, the other big thing I want to talk about is this idea that the Young Turks were punching down at Stephen early on in his career when he was 25 and didn't have the audience that he has now.
	It sounds like Stephen's trying to grab the coattails.
	He most certainly was.
	He was poking at them.
	I mean obviously he's talking about all these parody commercials for the Young Turks that he did.
	I've seen a couple of them and he not only dresses up as Sank but also the co-host so he like Split screens like makes fun of everyone and does brown face again frequently.
	It's not good and It's the same kind of shit the same excuses that he makes when people like Sam Seder want to interview him Yeah, he said in the the confrontation that he had during the h3 podcast he says like you don't have the audience big enough for me to debate you and The exact same thing he's accusing the Young Turks of saying.
	Yeah, yeah, to him.
	Towards him.
	So yeah, it's bullshit.
	It's projecting.
	Of course.
	Projecting before he even got there.
	But also he doesn't, he doesn't debate anyone because he can't.
	It's the same reason that he can't do a Change My Mind without having a stack of documents and preparing for weeks ahead of time and also talking to kids.
	Between yeah, of course, but also kids going between class.
	Yeah bullshit.
	He's not good at his job Yeah, he should quit I'm so dumb I guess it's time.
	Let's cringe together and listen to the full interaction with Sank.
	Okay.
	This is March 12th, 2017, and Steven enters a ballroom at the Austin Hyatt Regency Hotel after he went to the other Hyatt first.
	Okay.
	Yeah, nice.
	Classic Four Seasons issue.
	Yeah it was I mean it was basically except they were different and for some reason he really just doesn't know anything about this.
	He said that the Hyatt was the place where most of the panels were that year.
	It's all at the Austin Convention Center and if he knew anything about South by Southwest that would be like a pretty obvious.
	You don't know anything about South by Southwest.
	Oh my god.
	And by the way it was built by audience.
	We asked them when we switch over from TV to online Oh, I should say what this panel is.
	It's called Lessons from a Decade of Livestreams.
	Livestream video has quickly become one of the fastest growing and popular uses of technology.
	From spontaneous point-of-view footage to livestreams of professionally produced content.
	With livestream tools available to everyone, there will be a learning curve for some users to understand how to best leverage the technology.
	This panel will be a conversation among the Young Turks, the longest-running daily live stream show, other live creators, and executives from live stream platforms.
	The panel will examine the pros and cons of democratization of live stream video, share insight on best practices, and lessons from a decade plus of live stream video.
	Sounds fun.
	Yep.
	I'm into it.
	Can you guys help us build this?
	And our audience gave us $425,000 to build it.
	I don't want to do bullshit!
	What's going on here? I thought we were having a real discussion!
	That's not the real Shake!
	That's bullshit!
	I'm the real Shake over here!
	I didn't think this was supposed to happen, I didn't think JW married!
	Okay, this is Steven Crowder.
	This is the real Shake!
	It is Steven Crowder, it's not Don Vito.
	It takes me 36 years to make it so this is what happened!
	It's bullshit!
	You know what, I'm gonna leave here while you start the panel.
	Okay, so this is not a fan of mine.
	Okay, okay.
	I'm just playing with you. Okay?
	This is what he does.
	Okay.
	That's literally what a child would do.
	Yeah, that's literally what a child would do.
	Yeah, what?
	Sank doing a pretty good job.
	Sank doing a pretty good job.
	Goddammit Steve.
	It's fucking stupid!
	Sank doing a pretty good job dealing with it though.
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	I think that was pretty cool.
	Yeah, Steven walked in on stage left, dressed up, like, sank in a suit with a kind of a protruding belly.
	You went up on stage?
	Crutch, pretty close to his dang shoulder and ear section.
	Yeah, walked up towards him and then rushed the stage and, well, it keeps going for a little bit.
	I feel like you're a homophobe!
	But really, you know, I guess you do look like a homophobe.
	So, security should remove him because his whole living... But, by the way, look at the strength of Livestreams.
	He makes a living by trying to copy me.
	I know, right?
	And get the right-wing critics to be like, Hey, look!
	I'm an American!
	Will you please watch me?
	Why are you so big?
	That I'm just gonna hide on?
	I know, you know, like, right, listen.
	You know, like, there was a time... I mean, Livestreams getting divided.
	It's like cable, right?
	It's like there's lower numbers and...
	Hey, uh, maybe you should try to get your own show or your own panel.
	I know, right?
	Like, I know.
	Like, this guy, he's writing my d**k!
	It's bulls**t!
	It's bulls**t!
	He's writing my d**k!
	We're trying to have a reasonable discussion!
	And what he does, you're also picking up their time, Steve.
	And what What an embarrassing thing.
	He didn't have to put this out.
	He didn't?
	Yeah, why?
	I don't know.
	Maybe he thought that if he didn't do it, like someone would tweet about it.
	Idiot rushes stage.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, there were a couple articles written about it, but from what I saw, they were all like, like Pwn the Libs type articles, which was surprising because I, I don't see it.
	Yeah, I don't know how you- I mean, I obviously didn't see the clip, but I don't think the clip would help me think it was less embarrassing.
	No, it's not.
	It just sounds like an idiot being an idiot.
	Well, then he sits down next to Sank.
	Okay.
	Let's get out of here.
	You'll get your turn, okay?
	Don't be so proud of my act.
	I'm just saying, this guy, this guy's kidding, right?
	Okay?
	Get off me!
	Oh, you're coming.
	You know what that is, Steve?
	That's the sound of silence, man.
	I know, I know, I know, right?
	It's like a friendly audience.
	I'm used to this all the time.
	You're dying out here.
	I know, I know.
	That's all the **** right here.
	You know, that's what it works with.
	It's a crowd.
	It's like, you know.
	It all stays, man.
	It all stays.
	This is so embarrassing.
	Oh yeah.
	This is a fun one.
	So, on the level of like, Sank dealt with it so well, but then also, where is security?
	That shouldn't have been able to happen in any... It should not have been able to happen.
	I totally agree.
	Steven said that they opened the door for him, which I don't know if that's true or not.
	That's a classic, the police moving the barricade on Jan 6, dude.
	I was gonna say, this is the same as they let them into the Capitol.
	And then Sank just...
	Man, you're not doing a good job.
	The thing that you're doing, you're doing it very poorly.
	You're dying out here, man.
	They're not with you.
	Man, like, you know, so here's a little South by South.
	You would think it'd be over, right?
	I was at the Spotify sessions.
	Run the Jewels Show, the year before, 2016.
	And I'm sorry, it was 2015.
	It came out in 2016, I think.
	But anyway, in there, if you listen to that album, there's a song that they cut out because someone jumped up on stage and they started beating the shit out of Killer Mike.
	Yeah, just hitting him in the head.
	And Killer Mike grabbed this man by his neck and then just threw him off the stage.
	Just one armed toss this guy.
	The crowd went around him and just kicked him in the head a bunch of times.
	And then security came in, grabbed him by the neck, and just drug him out of there.
	This happened in 10 seconds.
	Yeah.
	So that's the response to something like that two years ago.
	And granted, Steven's not throwing fists, but in the wake of Dimebag Daryl or something like that, where people jump up on stage with a shotgun.
	Christina Grimmie, same thing.
	Totally.
	This shouldn't have happened.
	It's impossibly dumb that it did happen, but that he was able to just stand up there and actually get a reaction from the crowd before anyone moved is just utterly surprising to me.
	And this wasn't the first time that he had been, I don't know, what do we call this?
	Harassed, I guess?
	Sure.
	Yeah, I've seen that clip of when Alex Jones approached him somewhere.
	That was, uh, what was it?
	It was Alex Jones and Roger Stone harassed Sank during a live thing.
	Uh, it was at the Republican National Convention in 2016.
	So just a little bit before that.
	That's the one where Alex Jones ended up getting, I think, spat on during the confrontation.
	I don't know if, if it was Sank who did that.
	I think it was someone else.
	That's where the bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
	Line was shouted because that was in response to something Roger Stone said but yeah, so it was a I mean, how could you I bought you a Roger Stone?
	Yeah, I brought you a stone that's signed by Roger Stone.
	Yeah, we're fucking dumb Sweet gold Trump coin I know, I know, I know!
	But yeah, it's some sneakers dude, at least you guys didn't get suckered in with the Iraqi dinars. That's true. I'm
	holding actually I wish security would show up earlier
	I'm not gonna touch one piece of it.
	Oh, did you see that? I already did it.
	No, don't do that. It's a lie.
	I know, I know, I know. You're upset. It's cool.
	So, here's what happened.
	Alex Jones invited us to highlight this at the RNC.
	Here we go.
	All these right-wing guys... All these right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right-wing guys... All the right What's this guy's real name?
	That's the question that Sank didn't want to hear because it's exactly the reason that Steven is doing this.
	But, I mean, Sank already introduced him.
	He said his name.
	Did he say, oh, Steven Crowder?
	Yeah, he said, hey, this is Steven Crowder.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	But, yeah.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Sir, you want to talk about, like, Indian Insight?
	Get out.
	I don't want to hear you.
	Oh, come on in here.
	I don't want to hear you.
	But, I'm just saying, you guys got to do, like, better background checks.
	But by the way, guys, you shouldn't tolerate, like, the f***ing hate speech.
	Go home!
	Okay?
	It's like, I know, oh, oh, what?
	Dickwriting joke.
	You know, like, what?
	It's fourth grade.
	Okay, come on.
	It says fourth grade?
	F*** me.
	That's okay.
	It's cute, right?
	I know.
	It's okay.
	Like, that's what they... Alright, so that's the economy industry of our age.
	It's the economy industry!
	How could you post this?
	I don't know, man.
	It's like people who post when there's a road rage incident and they film from their side and they're the shitty side.
	Yeah, they're like, watch what this asshole did.
	Can you believe this asshole called the cops on me for hitting his car?
	It's crazy.
	Honestly, he's being a baby.
	So yeah, I mean security came, ejected him, it took way too long.
	Way too long.
	And I love that it's basically like GarageBand, you should leave!
	Sound effects, everyone's like get off the stage.
	Oh yeah!
	But I think it was, um, that was probably one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen.
	I feel embarrassed on behalf of Steven.
	And he aired this.
	He didn't have to.
	He was proud of it, obviously.
	He narrated it.
	Yeah, he did.
	And then he talked about it more when we returned.
	You're probably wondering how I got here.
	To the cafe.
	Should have seen people wincing as they watched that.
	Here's the thing.
	When I had to grab that chair, it's once you're in it, and you realize, like when you mentioned the Armenian Genocide, he's not going to acknowledge it.
	Once you're in it, you have to commit to it.
	There's no going halfway.
	You don't.
	No, there isn't.
	You're gonna babe Ruth, swing to the fence.
	Yes, as uncomfortable as it was.
	It was even uncomfortable.
	I was like, ooh.
	Icky to watch.
	Well, he was in there, and so was our video, and they were literally with their head down, like, I can't believe it.
	Because, you know, usually when you speak, it's either an audience, like, stand up, they're there to laugh, or it's half-half.
	I realized, oh wait, everyone here hates me.
	A lot.
	And then it's kind of liberating.
	Yeah, once you just own it, like, Half the people in this room want to either kill me or... This room?
	Earth?
	Or tear my tongue out and shove it down my throat.
	Yeah.
	If you just own it and acknowledge it and you're 100% that this is the way that it's going to be, then you're free.
	Right.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Hey man, listen when you're a dumbass and people just see you being a dumbass and you know, they know you're a dumbass It's the most free I've ever felt bro I'm wearing blackface right now, and I'm just Everyone hates me, and I'd love to get you.
	I'm sorry, dear listener, just keep this in mind.
	He still has, like, brown on his face.
	Yeah.
	And it's just his dopey, like, leave-it-to-beaver-ass-looking face.
	Yeah.
	But four shades darker.
	And everyone thinks I'm an idiot.
	Yeah, dude.
	I have to embrace that everyone thinks I'm an idiot.
	It's kind of like, um... I have to learn to love myself.
	He's got unpopular kid energy where he's eating worms and thinks they're laughing with him, not at him.
	Totally.
	These are all my friends.
	They gave me $3.
	And honestly, the haters fuel me, right?
	$3 is pretty good.
	Good deal on eating worms.
	That's not bad.
	What a loser.
	Such a fucking loser.
	You would think he would never, ever want to talk about this again, right?
	Yeah, it's so embarrassing.
	Yeah, weird he brought it up on the Patrick Bet-David Show, but even weirder that on April 14, 2020, for some reason, he went through this again?
	I don't know if folks out there remember, you can go watch the video where I crashed Cenk Uygur's panel at South by Southwest as Cenk.
	Yeah, yeah, and that was cringy like everyone sent me back.
	It was tough thing.
	Oh, this is really tough to watch Yeah, you know did okay.
	You will not hear any disagreement for me I mean, I'll give you that you see me Yeah, at one point.
	I was up there, and I was saying all right, and she was going okay, and I said okay I don't know which one to shoot!
	Don't shoot any of us, this is just a joke.
	But I understand it would be hard to decipher.
	So I did, I crashed Cenk Uygur's panel as Cenk, but here's the part that you don't know.
	So I will say this professionally, that and right before the U of M show because everything went wrong with our TriCaster.
	Oh yeah, I remember that.
	So this was at South by Southwest.
	Okay, and I think we can bring up some B-roll if people haven't seen it yet.
	Can I see where, let's see, let's show the portion, yeah, that's where I walk in as Chank and then go up to the panel.
	Oh my gosh.
	It's so hard for me to watch, too.
	Yeah, don't do this.
	He's so giddy about this.
	At that actual moment in time.
	This is a core memory for Steven.
	Well, it should be.
	This is horribly embarrassing.
	This is something that if I did... Do you guys want to see the picture from when I shit my pants?
	Yeah, we're talking about it again!
	I got a video, I'm gonna start a... Not Tommy Lauren, what's the gun girl, Caitlin Bennett?
	Oh, no.
	Is that who we're talking to?
	Oh, that's fun.
	No, but we... Little doo-doo pants.
	Well, I mean, he kind of keeps talking about this, but we do get a bit of a behind-the-scenes, and that's the only reason I wanted to include this revisitation, because it would have been great to leave on Tim Kennedy saying that he's icky.
	I like that.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I thought that was funny.
	You think you're cool?
	We do have ways around it, by the way.
	They're not coming back, by the way.
	There will never be.
	Oh, I forgot about this.
	This is interesting.
	I've said the name half-Asian Bill Richmond several times.
	It's Stephen's lawyer.
	The one who's like a LGBT guy, right?
	No, that was a different one.
	That's his divorce attorney.
	Yeah, this guy is just his general entertainment lawyer, I guess, but who's also in charge of suing Facebook, which it never materialized.
	Seems like they're not really doing much at all.
	Okay.
	But for a brief period, not even brief, maybe a whole year or longer, it was Bill Richmond who was sitting third chair on the show.
	His lawyer?
	His lawyer.
	It seemed like he may have just been paying, I don't know, like a full retainer.
	Just to make sure that I don't get in trouble today.
	But this is half-Asian Bill talking about his predictions for South by Southwest in 2020.
	So that must have been COVID, right?
	Yeah, I mean, yeah.
	You think you're cool?
	We do have ways around it, by the way.
	They're not coming back, by the way.
	There will never be.
	Another South by Southwest?
	No.
	You really don't think so?
	You think they're done?
	It'll be something completely different.
	Really, Charles Krauthammer?
	You want to stand by that prediction?
	They're going to do something different, yeah.
	I say in five years there won't be another South by Southwest.
	Really?
	It'll just change into something completely different.
	They will literally, it won't make it better.
	It'll be one pub crawl.
	Right.
	It'll just be like the 20 people keeping it alive every year.
	It'll just be one crappy indie band like Deer Tick and Lena Dunham showing up to protest.
	What is this?
	Like the whole city shut down because Lena Dunham was bitching about endometriosis or something.
	I don't know.
	Shocked me with the Deer Tick poll.
	Not like the freshest of indie bands, but like... He's still doing stuff though.
	It's not like he's like Franz Ferdinand or something.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	Lena Dunham though, I'm sure he has some feelings about her.
	Oh, he has strong feelings.
	I think a lot of people do though.
	It's just very polarizing.
	Across?
	Yeah.
	What a weird prediction to make.
	Weird, right?
	I will say that like, I don't think he's like that far off because like, you know, like, uh, when I first moved to Austin, it was 2011 and my first one was 2012.
	I think you were here for it, weren't you?
	I was.
	Yeah.
	I've been, I've been for over 10 years.
	Astro and Bluebird or something that year.
	Yeah, that was sick.
	That was great.
	I was sponsoring Astronautilus.
	That was a fun showcase.
	For sure it was.
	And another cancelled figure, the Isaiah Tooth Taker, I think, right?
	Well, even Astronautilus actually got cancelled, too.
	I didn't know about that.
	Yeah, that was one of my stains.
	He was taking advantage of his celebrity status among young women and treating them poorly in relationships.
	Not quite.
	So, but to finish the aside though... It was huge.
	Well, they stopped focusing so much on the culture of the event and more on the marketing, right?
	And the Raytheon of it.
	Yeah, all the Raytheon.
	And it's funny because it's actually not Raytheon, it's Raytheon's subsidiary company that they use to be like, it's not Raytheon!
	It's Charles Raytheon.
	Oh, it's Raytheon's little cousin or something.
	Yeah, Charles Raytheon.
	Nice, that's sick.
	So like that side of it, but also I think like the verbiage around South by Southwest changed probably like around 2012, 2013.
	Because when I first moved here, everyone was like, it's the arts conference.
	It's kind of counterculture.
	Conference, conference, conference.
	But then like 2013, 2014, they're like festival, festival, festival.
	And that's when we started getting like, what, 50 Cent playing in an oversized Doritos vending machine?
	Yeah, so that was a good year.
	I actually had a good time.
	It was one of the best years, to be honest.
	The giant vending machine was beautiful and it was the same year that Pepsi Max launched and I got a free Pepsi Max cap with unlimited Pepsi Max and I kept saying I was maxed out.
	It was really cool.
	Swipe the card one more time.
	I went to a club.
	I feel like, I don't know, Flo Rida must have been playing, but I only went there because they were launching the Doritos Locos Taco.
	I had one before we started recording.
	I was one of the the test tests of the Doritos Locos Taco.
	Did you ever wash your tongue again after that?
	Of course not.
	He sold it.
	He cut off his tongue and sold it.
	No it was very funny because like people who are at South by Southwest for the music tend to be there to like watch the music and I was there I went in after waiting in line and was like okay okay I got the taco.
	No one else is getting tacos because who's eating tacos at a club where they're trying to like dance with people so it was a great time.
	But I kind of I see what you're saying with like the the definitionally South by Southwest has changed like the culture isn't as strong it is more capitalistic and there's Sorry.
	And to add also that, you know, they started doing it in Australia like last year as well.
	So, um, I don't think he's that wrong.
	I think we've got one more year.
	We'll see what next year brings, but they've had a rough go about since, uh, the 2021.
	Well, they made it out of the pandemic.
	Uh, so that's good, but I don't know.
	I'm excited.
	We'll see.
	Steven shouldn't have done this though.
	This revisitation.
	So just to make me a little more nervous, I'm walking past Bill Nye.
	My wife has the whole shank outfit.
	That's right.
	I wanted to bring up this clip because you're trying to remind me to tell my Bill Nye story.
	Oh, that's a good one, too.
	But I also want to say I feel horrible for Steven's hopefully soon to be ex-wife.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is the most embarrassing tagalong situation that I can imagine.
	I hope that he went home and showed her this clip and was like, babe, check it out, check out what I did today.
	No, she was there with him.
	When he was doing that thing?
	Carrying his prosthetic belly.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, here we go.
	So, just to make me a little more nervous, I'm walking past Bill Nye, my wife has the whole Cenk outfit, padded gut, and I think it was olive oil, could have been actual duck fat, I don't know.
	And so I go into a bathroom to change into Cenk Wiener uniform, because we know when this panel starts, okay, I'm gonna wait in the bathroom here, we have a very, very tight schedule, and I get in, change, gut, okay, I take about four minutes, I'm ahead of time, and I'm sitting there just like praying, because I put the olive oil on my face, the gel, alright, I'm getting in the mood.
	You're anointed yourself?
	All right, all right, okay, of course, that's bullshit!
	You know, I'm kind of like the Mission Impossible, where you just repeat some phrases to sort of get that neural engram.
	So I'm sitting like, okay, all right.
	Then my wife says, okay, you're about ready to go?
	I say, sure.
	Please.
	Are you ready to leave?
	Because I'm ready to leave you.
	What?
	Oh, I wish.
	What were you saying about Bill Nye, though, after they passed Bill Nye?
	Oh, well, I met Bill Nye in Seattle when I was like 12.
	Does he live there?
	I feel he lives there.
	I think he does, yeah.
	Or he did at the time, at least.
	How was it?
	Was it amazing?
	I wish that I could say that it was, but it was very much like, I approached him, it was at the Space Needle, okay?
	Oh wow, what a place to run into him.
	My first time at the Space Needle, it was, I think, remember the Experience the Music Project?
	Yeah, the EMP Museum.
	And the Pop Culture Museum or whatever, so it was like the first year that it had been opened.
	Close to it.
	Either way.
	I'm thinking it was either then or... I don't know.
	I was 12 or 13 years old.
	It doesn't matter.
	But anyway, he was buying a bunch of... Helium balloons for an experiment.
	Well, they were like the children's box science kits that are like... He was buying those?
	Yeah, he was buying like 10 of them.
	He had a stack of them in his hands.
	Yeah, like the build your own whatever, make your own science.
	Yeah, grow your own crystals or something like that.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Stuff like that.
	And so I saw him and I was like, Oh my God, Mom, that's Bill Nye over there.
	And she's like, you should go, you know, like you love to show you should go say hi to him or whatever.
	And he's like got his hands full.
	And so I run up on him and I'm like, are you Bill Nye?
	And he's like, yes.
	And I'm like, I used to love your show when I was a kid.
	And I was like, Oh, and in my head, I'm like, I S I would probably still watch your show.
	Why don't you tell that to Mr. Wizard?
	Yeah, he just said, okay, and then walked away from me.
	That's my Bill Nye story.
	I think Bill's gotta be neurodivergent, right?
	We can't give him too much.
	You know, he was a corrections officer before he was a science guy on TV.
	Interesting.
	That's pretty wild.
	Yeah, speaking of wild, we're talking about a greased up Steven Crowder.
	Great.
	Supported by his wife.
	Olive oil on his face?
	He doesn't have that.
	I feel so bad for his wife.
	Oh my god.
	So at this point, I'm dressed like Cenk Uygur.
	I'm greasy.
	I'm already into character.
	You're glistening.
	I'm already into character, so I will not respond to anything other than Cenk.
	So there's a whole bunch of confusion because my wife is there and we have a producer who's like, uh, Steven.
	I'm like, uh, it's that guy.
	Like, stop it.
	Stop what?
	Stop what?
	Al Jazeera doesn't stop!
	So I'm pissing them off, but I also hate myself.
	I have to get into a cab at this point.
	So he's pissing off his wife by only talking in a sank voice.
	I like that he said that he was on a tight timeline and part of that is a cab across the city.
	Oh, so no, no, I have to explain this.
	Yeah, he went to the wrong Hyatt's and had to get in what he called an eco cab, which was like a UFO fucked a golf court, I think.
	Cart is what he said.
	Nice, I'm used to that.
	Sure, whatever, who cares?
	South by Southwest takes place in 8 to 10 blocks, like how do you go to the wrong fucking hotel?
	Dude, I don't know what he's thinking.
	He obviously, he's never left the suburbs of Dallas apparently, but I don't know.
	Okay, welcome to Austin.
	Then I walk in and he's talking and that's where I go, that's bullshit!
	And you could see his whole face just drop like, oh no.
	And then I have to, I stand there if you haven't seen this segment where I'm like, okay, I realized in all of this hustle, I had forgotten that I need to actually have something to talk about.
	Unsurprising, right?
	Yeah, like what do you think was gonna happen?
	Well, here we go.
	I didn't have a list, but I'd forgotten it.
	So I just sit there and at this point he goes like, the audience, no one likes you.
	And there are, you know, like four people there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which I don't like using the power of the audience.
	I think it's peer pressure.
	I think it's wrong.
	I think it's bullying.
	But the fact is...
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Really?
	It's bullying.
	Says man who barged on stage.
	Well, and also that's how he does change my mind.
	He loves to turn the audience on the person and pressure them into feeling uncomfortable and losing this debate.
	And he's doing that against almost literal children.
	Yep.
	Love that.
	They're teenagers.
	Strong.
	He pointed to the audience.
	It was Caesar going like, check my name!
	Sink was addressing the audience at the panel in which he was there to address the audience.
	It was all relatives of his.
	The ones who made it.
	What was your exit strategy?
	Well, I didn't have one.
	So, I sit there, and finally I'm just standing and talking with him, and the one guy who's laughing says, like, I'm gonna go get security.
	I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go get security!
	This is an Alex Jones story.
	So he goes and he gets security, and that's the point where I sit down.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He leaves, I sit down, and I just go, uh, so, uh, You wanna talk about the Armenian Genocide?
	And you just hear a ripple through the audience.
	And then finally security, they just come up and like, you can even see them like, can you please, can you please, can you go, like please, can you leave?
	They didn't tackle, and then when I walked out, you could hear them laughing.
	They're like, alright, that was a dick move, but we appreciate the commitment.
	I drove back to the other courtyard, went to that bathroom because I knew it was available because we still had someone standing guard.
	He went back to the other Marriott.
	He kept that suit on.
	Washed off the olive oil and felt horrible about myself for the rest of the week.
	Keep in mind, he was the one who called me out when I had 20,000 subscribers and refused to ever engage in debate.
	This was only out of necessity.
	He deserved it.
	And I'm not proud of it.
	I'm not proud of it.
	Let me rehash it.
	Yeah, let's keep talking about this.
	Two words.
	First word, shame.
	Second word, kink.
	Now we're talking!
	Yeah, there it is.
	Honestly, that's what we're hearing right now.
	It's me, it's Du Bois, and I'm gonna tell them about my shame kink.
	Holy fuck, man.
	I think about like the times where like I'm working remotely and my wife's there supporting me.
	Yeah.
	And I just imagine... How patient are you?
	Like, is she?
	And how grateful are you?
	Yeah, and I just think about like imagine being his wife in this moment.
	She had kids with this man.
	He spent two times more putting together this outfit than he did planning what he was gonna do with this moment he thinks is essential.
	Yeah, gosh.
	This confrontation.
	This is the most embarrassing thing I think I've seen him do.
	It's pretty rough.
	Except when he did that, I got another gun.
	But the tone was so bad.
	He was so off pitch.
	But I mean he was off on this impersonation almost entirely.
	Terrible.
	And the fact that he thinks he was doing a good job is almost, I mean way worse.
	He sounded like he was doing an impersonation of Miguel doing an impersonation of Alex Jones.
	Yeah and when I when I said this is an Alex Jones story he's rewriting history saying like the guy laughing went and got security and the other people were like oh that was a pretty good one as he was.
	That was pretty great bro.
	That's not the situation.
	Yeah these volunteers these South by Southwest volunteers.
	Yeah they're kids too.
	Yeah, I mean it really shouldn't be South by Southwest volunteers who are doing this kind of stuff but Cuz someone's gonna get hurt, you know, we're lucky that Steven is that he wasn't a serious threat in this moment Sank did a wonderful job.
	The panel I'm sure was very interesting and he rightfully so what should have been on it because they revolutionized live-streaming Independent journalism.
	Did you ever periscope?
	I do.
	It was like one of the first live streaming things ever.
	Yeah, that was amazing.
	It was wild.
	Yeah.
	So this has been a shit show and we didn't learn anything, but I am excited to have discovered that he attended South by Southwest once and never returned.
	He might be back this year for you.
	Maybe you'll see him.
	I hope so.
	Listen for the guy going...
	That's about all I can handle this week, and if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	I want to say thanks so much for hanging out during this kind of loose, vibes-based episode.
	We'll be back with- I'll chill, baby.
	I'll chill.
	All right.
	Some more dissections, and I gotta catch everyone up.
	A lot has been going on in the Crowderverse.
	Some very serious stuff in terms of some mug club investigations that of course he's claiming have broken things wide open.
	Yep.
	Some things happen that require some more detailed dissection and I'm excited to do that when I return from occupied Texas of course.
	Sick.
	But until next time, you can review us on iTunes, Apple Podcasts, I mean, I'm not old.
	Spotify, five stars if you think we deserve it, five if you don't.
	You can find us on X, like I said, at Van Crowder.
	Boys, what a night.
	Oh, what a night.
	Dennis, continue to feel better.
	I'm working on it.
	And Jared, I'll see you tomorrow.
	Everyone else.
	Do you need a ride at the airport?
	I do.
	I'll send you my deeds, buddy.
	I'll ride a bird scooter the whole way from the airport.
	I'll give you good directions.
	We'll get you on the interstate.
	Perfect.
	For Jared and Dennis on Byron, take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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