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March 4, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 23: PROPERTY BOTHERS (FEBRUARY 19TH, 2024)

Real bad episode of LWC this week, folks. Not gonna lie. Steven is still sick. Gerald is black-pilled. Third chair shouldn't be there. No one is prepared. Throw in the towel, boys. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an AudioWool original.
	Uh, how'd you sneak a rifle in here?
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	I'm joined tonight by Jared.
	Hey, howdy boys.
	Dennis is in studio.
	Did you guys know that Jessica Alba got her TV debut on The Secret World of Alex Mack?
	Wow.
	No way.
	Yep.
	That's sick.
	Good for her.
	I gave you COVID-19 last week.
	Coming back sick as hell.
	Hell yeah.
	Straight up dog style.
	Feeling like shit.
	Cool it.
	Geez, it doesn't need to be that- Sorry, I'm not feeling well.
	I'm feeling good, feeling good.
	Alright.
	I'm gonna try and be more serious so I don't laugh and cough all the time.
	I am a little sick.
	Yeah, you seem very sick.
	Jessica Alba lived at the building I used to work at.
	Did you ask her about her experience with Larissa Ulnick?
	I wish that I had!
	Do you know what her character's name was in the show?
	Jessica.
	No.
	Yeah.
	That's so easy for her to remember and react to.
	Great.
	It's so natural.
	I let them talk about whatever 90s pop culture they wanted for 15 seconds.
	Great.
	1996.
	Hope you guys enjoyed that full-blown Steven Crowdercore over here.
	But guys, I'm not sure if it's because I've been picking early in the week episodes lately, but I'm starting to think this show isn't just bigoted.
	It's bad.
	Is it bad?
	It's not good.
	Are you sure?
	You've got a lot of subs.
	Can't all be winners, you know?
	God, most of them aren't.
	Have you liked one that we've listened to?
	Well, sometimes I think that their production is slick.
	I don't know.
	This is just... I like when I hear the music.
	A lot of overlays, yes.
	This is one of those episodes, sorry guys, we'll try to make it fun though.
	We're covering February 19th, 2024's episode of Louder with Grouter.
	It's Monday, President's Day.
	He didn't give his people the day off?
	He doesn't believe in that.
	Bogus.
	Today the boys are mad about 10 seconds of a 20 minute Joy Reid interview that they've taken out of context.
	That doesn't sound like them.
	Yeah, kind of making a habit of it lately.
	Also, Alexei Navalny was likely murdered in Russia while in jail, but because they've refused to take an anti-Putin position recently, they have got some gymnastics to perform this week.
	Was Simone Biles in third chair?
	No, Simone was not, but... Okay.
	Close?
	They should get a gymnast on.
	Well, they have an athlete.
	Oh, who is it?
	You'll find out.
	But before all of that, remember the 90s?
	Yeah, Larissa Olnick?
	Jessica Alba?
	I don't know who Larissa Olnick is.
	Yes, you do.
	Is that Alex Mack?
	Did she ever do anything else?
	Yeah, she did 10 Things I Hate About You.
	No, that's Julia Stiles.
	No!
	She was Bianca, bro.
	I don't know who that is.
	Yeah, the other one.
	Just play the clip.
	Isn't it the sister?
	Yeah!
	Oooo-bopped, doop-a-doo-bay, ooo-bopped, doop-a-doo-bay, ooo-bopped, doop-a-doo-bay,
	ooo-bopped.
	Well, she joined the highest court somewhere back in the Triassic.
	This pocket-sized old lady who her friends call RBG.
	Some say she's a hook of junk, others say that she's a classic.
	Tell me where in the world is Ruth Bader Ginsburg?
	Yeah, um...
	Listen up, gum shoes!
	That's the worst version of this song I've ever heard.
	Was that the theme song for We're in the World's Currently?
	Yeah, of course.
	I don't remember that at all.
	That's right, Gumshoe.
	None of this could be possible without you, Gumshoe.
	Come on!
	You don't remember the Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego song?
	I don't.
	That's shocking to me because I felt like that would have triggered you almost immediately.
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	I felt something but I didn't know what it was.
	Nah, well.
	I think I'm just so caught up in the nuke nuke nuke I've been singing the Nickelodeon thing.
	Yeah, you've been doing the Nick theme since you showed up.
	That was like a big deal, yeah.
	Wow, okay.
	Barbershop Quartet.
	Was that a Steven track?
	Steven wasn't singing in that one.
	It's a rewind from 2018, before Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
	People were concerned about how she was not as present as she had been.
	Yeah, well she had like- Actively- Was in the hospital.
	Yeah, she had cancer.
	So, I guess cool.
	It's mostly a visual gag.
	The rest of the song is just naming locations with no real criticism of Ruth.
	But this is a cartoon that kind of walks through these places.
	In one scene there's a sign behind her, a poster that says, I heart abortions.
	And then they really ramp things up at the end.
	There's an image of her pulling like a weekend at Bernie's with the Reaper and the Devil holding her up.
	An image of her grave, but this was all before she had died.
	Why did they start with this?
	I don't know, because they didn't have time to do anything else this week, so they do a good old rewind.
	Sounds fun.
	Really good stuff, and they did a really honorable job for the 90s classic.
	Yeah, everyone's favorite PBS learning vehicle.
	Other than Magic School Bus, of course.
	And Ghost Rider.
	Oh man, all those are so good!
	Of course, we've got to move past the fun.
	Steve teases some Russia talk.
	In Tucker fashion, let's jump into the show he does with a question.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you this, where do you find also the balance between kind of some conservative influencers have become rampantly pro-Russia versus obviously wanting to point out the corruption of Ukraine and our own government?
	I think it's important to note that we have corruption in our own government.
	It doesn't just exist in Russia.
	Do you think it hurts his feet to stand on a fence as much as he is right now?
	know him to be, and it doesn't change the fact that Russia is still also effectively
	in a lot of ways a third world crap hole.
	And Ukraine is one of the money laundering capitals of the world.
	And it's also effectively a puppet government.
	Can all those things be true?
	Do you think it hurts his feet to stand on a fence as much as he is right now?
	Depends on the fence, but yeah, he's got to have some sore footsies.
	Real serious both sides-ing right now and very much a whataboutism.
	Well, he just he's looking for the winning team He knows that there's some like serious splits happening on the right.
	Are you trying to tell me this is a complicated situation?
	No, it's not complicated But he's just he just wants to take the winning side.
	Before we get in too deep with that Let's uh, let's do a quick around-the-horn check-in.
	Heck yeah.
	CEO Catton Morgan.
	How are you?
	I'm doing well.
	How are you?
	I'm okay.
	Yeah?
	Made it through the weekend?
	I made it through the weekend.
	Didn't die?
	That's a little inside joke.
	I almost died this weekend, but it's okay.
	I'm not dead now.
	You didn't.
	No.
	Inside joke that's not worth talking about.
	Interesting.
	Illusions of victimization.
	Steven.
	Yeah.
	Someone waved a gun at him in traffic.
	I almost died, Gerald.
	You have no idea.
	I cut this guy off in my Ford Raptor.
	Someone did point a gun at me when I was driving to Seattle once.
	That sounds so exciting.
	Yeah, it didn't feel good.
	I bet not.
	I don't believe that it was Stephen who was the one at the receiving end of the gun if there was any sort of altercation in traffic.
	No.
	What do you think could have happened to him?
	Bad dip.
	I hope it's something silly.
	I think he's feeding into the Blackrock suspicion of assassination.
	He's got to keep that.
	I don't think he is.
	I think he did something stupid and then he told his buddies about it.
	Yeah, he left toast in the oven for too long.
	Yeah, he probably just like left his space heater on.
	If it was anything remotely cool, he would have talked about it, right?
	Oh, of course.
	If it was like a cool way to almost die, he would definitely talk about it.
	It definitely was something probably like he almost dropped a blow dryer in the bath or something.
	Or he did, actually.
	Well, our third chair-sitter isn't doing very well either.
	Someone on this show has to be sick or injured.
	Josh Feierstein, how are you, sir?
	I'm alright, I'm alright.
	I can't move my arms out.
	I worked out with a gym for the first time in like five years.
	You worked out with a gym?
	No, with a guy named Jim.
	My trainer, Donna Duncan.
	No, he's not there.
	I can't move my arms though.
	You gotta take care of yourself, Josh.
	Yeah, don't lift too hard.
	Start slow.
	Yeah, and I'm proud of you taking those big steps into the gym.
	The first steps are hard.
	Can't lift his arms unless you're doing delt work.
	They show him at the end of the episode.
	Shoulder presses.
	They show them all standing around a table and Josh just has his hands in his pockets and everyone else is animated.
	It's like very awkward looking, but you know why he looks so goofy at the end.
	It's because his little arms hurt.
	He's also a hands in pockets kind of guy anyway, I feel like.
	He does have the Kevin James King of Queens meme kind of posture.
	See kids, I'm relevant, I'm cool, I understand what's going on.
	I don't know, it's really hard for Josh to do a lot of stuff especially like wave or um, I don't know.
	I've been saying hi, it's been really weird saying hi to people.
	And now I sound like Ethel Merman coughing.
	It's still lingering!
	Okay.
	Joy Reid.
	Not a fan.
	Really?
	Steven's still sick guys.
	You know what I hate is that his laugh cough feels just like my laugh cough.
	You're becoming him.
	I'm becoming Steven.
	Just even slowly, but surely.
	Okay, well now the plot thickens.
	Maybe... What's something that could happen at a wedding that maybe, you know, he's got the lingering cough.
	We were talking about that earlier.
	You know, that's maybe where Dennis got his little lingering cough.
	Maybe.
	I mean, if I have to, if I have to let it linger.
	Ah, gosh.
	Alright.
	Dennis, are you not a fan of MSNBC's host of Readout, Joy Read?
	I don't know who Joy Reid is.
	They are the eighth most popular host on MSNBC.
	Oh, I only know the top seven.
	That's why.
	Sure.
	Steven did feel, like, very passionate about pointing this out.
	Yeah, right?
	I don't know.
	Not even a good host on MSNBC.
	In my head, I did start going back to Blaze TV in 2021 when Steven was part of that network.
	And I was like, I wonder where he placed in the talent over there.
	There's no available statistics.
	Do you know that no ratings are existing for Blaze?
	No, of course.
	Not then, anyway.
	Stephen, though, he has some problems with an interview that Joy gave to Salon.
	Okay.
	Like I said, just about 10 seconds of a 20-minute interview.
	So, 10 seconds?
	Just about 10 seconds.
	So, she went to Salon, and she was giving an interview, and she discussed how she needs reparations.
	It's not about Joy Reid.
	It's about this mindset, and it's about people who misuse the term literally.
	Where she says that either her, I'm not quite clear, or the interviewer literally, physically built this country.
	And to find out that literally Barack Obama's two terms as president are your reparations.
	Not literally.
	And Juneteenth, which you already celebrated anyway, is your reparations.
	No, they didn't.
	And yet, you built this country.
	You literally physically built this country.
	And yet, the attitude toward you from a lot of your peers and your fellow citizens is just shut up and be grateful.
	They're right.
	Well, this is a cool take for them to be upset about.
	Wonderful take!
	Yeah, why does that make them...
	When we're discussing literally building this country, it doesn't mean she's talking about an individual person.
	You as in the person she's talking to.
	You as in black people in America.
	Yes.
	The royal you.
	This is a great example of the royal you.
	Yeah.
	And literally black people in America built this country.
	Yes.
	Literally.
	Not by choice.
	Yeah.
	But even then, getting caught up in literally, you get the fucking point.
	Well, they don't and their dissections of this continue and things get rough.
	Literally physically built this country?
	I didn't see you on the beams of the scaffolding of Empire State Building with a lunchbox.
	Yeah, with no ropes.
	That was so far into the country.
	Safety harnesses.
	And this is the problem, you base it on a lie and then you create policy.
	Lunch atop a skyscraper.
	Classic photo.
	You know it, right?
	Jared, you've seen it?
	Strong, yeah.
	Union.
	Well, it's the name of a black and white photo taken on September 20th, 1932 of 11 iron workers sitting on a steel beam, 850 feet.
	Steel workers?
	Iron workers on a steel beam?
	I guess they were iron, yeah, interesting, huh?
	Frauds?
	Above the, well...
	Above the ground during construction of the RCA building in Manhattan, New York City.
	You guys both said you're familiar with this picture.
	It's iconic.
	Strong, brave men eating Sammies with no harnesses.
	Big Sammies.
	Building America with their bare hands.
	Except.
	What?
	It was staged.
	No.
	It's not real.
	Yeah, it's a publicity stunt.
	Part of a campaign to promote the skyscraper.
	No.
	Yeah, it's all fake.
	Are you telling me they didn't eat in danger?
	I bet they did, let's be honest.
	They probably didn't eat in that kind of danger.
	I don't know.
	When you're hungry, are you like, I'm going to go to the danger?
	I have no idea.
	You don't eat in danger.
	If I have to go all the way to the bottom, boss is going to make me take 3 minutes off of my 30.
	Yeah, you're not going to go to the bottom, but you aren't certainly going to be sitting.
	You're not going to hike out to the beam.
	Hey, can you guys all scoot out?
	I gotta go take a shit.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	You're not gonna hop over the laps of all your pals.
	Just lower you down, dude, like freaking Spider-Man.
	You wanna know what else started in America in 1932?
	No idea.
	There were poor black sharecroppers who were told that they were receiving free medical care for, quote, bad blood.
	Who weren't informed of the true nature of what was eventually called the Tuskegee experiments where they were purposefully infected with syphilis in an attempt to, I don't know, find a cure or just see what it does to folks.
	Just being goofy.
	Interesting.
	America was having a lot of fun back then.
	We want to go back to that time, right?
	Back when things were freer than they are now, Dennis.
	You can say what you want.
	That's when America was great.
	Yeah, back when we used to purposefully inject black people with syphilis.
	And people lied in pictures.
	I have no problem with publicity stunts.
	As far as like... With advertising.
	Of course.
	It makes sense.
	I've never looked at that picture and been like, man, times were better back then.
	No.
	I look at the picture and I think, that's really unsafe looking.
	That's all I think about.
	Well, I see hard men.
	And hard men create soft... Sandwiches.
	Soft sandwiches.
	Soft sandwiches.
	Soft bread.
	Great.
	And the lumber.
	Now those lumbers, they're making nice little houses out of those, aren't they?
	You living inside that?
	You having a little fire in there?
	Maybe a little hot chocolate?
	That's kind of nice.
	Is that where the soft men come from?
	I'm not sure.
	I have no idea.
	But Steven's not done picking on Joy.
	She got into Harvard, according to her.
	She was admitted into Harvard, I should say.
	Due to affirmative action, she said, this was not the recruiters saying, we're going to take an unqualified person and put them in Harvard.
	Rather, they were saying, we're going to take a very qualified person who we would never know existed and put them in Harvard.
	OK, a couple of things here.
	First off, how would they not know that you existed if you applied and you had really high SAT scores, which you said?
	How would they not know about you if you applied to Harvard?
	And of course, they desperately want black ladies like you at Harvard.
	It's good for the brochure.
	It absolutely is.
	And by the way, look at the SAT scores.
	The average SAT scores in Harvard.
	Asians, they have to get 767.
	White people, 745.
	Black people, 704.
	white people 745 black people 704 those are the average SAT scores for people
	being accepted to Harvard that's a sick and over 60 point spread between Asian
	Americans and black Americans getting into Harvard. It's interesting for Stephen
	to say like only a little bit of the slide that's on the screen there
	Yeah, all the overlays whipping around.
	Relevant info here, right?
	This information that he's talking about the SAT scores for, you know, I'm mad about the races having to do things, I guess, again.
	Relevant from 1995 to 2013, this has nothing to do with modern day, but even more so is that it has nothing to do with... I just bumped my microphone there.
	Has nothing to do with Joy Reid, who graduated Harvard in 1991.
	He's just giving us information that's irrelevant, and then not mentioning that it's irrelevant.
	Yeah, it's purposeful deception.
	Yeah, well, I mean, it's just the classic, like, um, a successful black person existing means that there's no such thing as white privilege, kind of a thing.
	Kind of like, you know, it snowed, so global warming isn't real, kind of an idea.
	Yeah, I'm holding a snowball.
	Hey, World Hunger's done!
	Yay!
	Yeah, it's a stupid take.
	Yeah, it just makes me angry.
	Gerald has something to add.
	Okay.
	They've got too many Asian people.
	And by the way, you said that her parents were, uh, they, they immigrated.
	That means that they weren't descended from slaves.
	Right.
	Unless they were enslaved in Africa, which is more likely because they're still doing that to this day.
	Or could be slave owners in Africa.
	Slave owners, that's fair as well.
	But it's like, you of all people would not be able to claim reparations, even if we were doling it out.
	And you switched your degree to film.
	Well, I mean, that makes sense because she switched her degree in film and now she works in entertainment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Also, she's not asking for reparations.
	She's not.
	And we'll get to that in a second.
	The nuance is lost.
	Uh-huh.
	It's gone.
	Like, you know what's going on here?
	If you've just like stuck around on that clip and he's talking about how, you know, how did you see the Joy read clip, Steven?
	And he says something about, oh, the algorithm keeps feeding me this dumb stuff from these dumb people.
	And it's like, didn't you erase everything off of there?
	Oh wait a second, what was he doing?
	Clean slate, maybe that's not a clean slate.
	And I wish Steven understood what he does to my algorithm.
	Disaster.
	He like, he like pisses in the pool of my YouTube feed.
	That's really interesting.
	I mean, my YouTube subscriptions are absolute horseshit.
	It's a disaster.
	But my TikTok is like fairly focused on entertainment.
	I'm getting tons of skate TikToks.
	Yeah, dude.
	Just like dope slow-mo skate tricks.
	You guys are really good at kicking flips.
	So much better than I used to be.
	You know what, though?
	What was really said by Joy Reid?
	Yeah.
	Wrecking scratch.
	I bet you're wondering how we got here.
	Salon's Dean Obadiah was asking about Joy Reid's new book.
	It was an interview all about it.
	Medgar and Merle, Medgar Evers and the Love Story that Awakened America.
	Lovely book, talking about that love story as well as instances of immense bravery during the civil rights movement and the difficulties of not just being a civil rights leader, but also being like the spouse or partner of a civil rights leader.
	It's really interesting.
	This is a longer clip of Joy talking about it, but I think it's important.
	The early part of the book, you said the book is a love story, not just about two black people in Mississippi, but that it's a story of a higher love it took for black Americans to love America and to fight for it.
	And there's such a complicated relationship, as you know, between black America loving this country and being treated so and dehumanized through time.
	How do you navigate that?
	How do people navigate that in the community?
	It is difficult, because you understand the country has never loved us, right?
	I mean, it was legal to kill black people up until probably the 1970s.
	I mean, you did not see white people, particularly in the South, convicted for killing black people.
	White people knew that they had—it was like the Purge, you know?
	They had the ability to, you know, let off steam.
	By lynching a man, woman, or child who was black.
	Simply for sassing a white woman.
	Reckless eyeballing.
	Basically looking at a white person in a way they didn't like.
	Even a child could treat an adult man as if they were a child and call them by their first name.
	You wouldn't be called Mr. or Mrs. You'd be called boy, girl, whatever.
	And so the indignity of being black in this country has made it very difficult to love America.
	And yet, you had more than 100,000 black men signed up to fight in World War II.
	And Medgar Evers was one of them.
	And he goes off at 18 years old, inspired by his brother having done the same thing.
	He and his brother were very close.
	He would do whatever Charles would do.
	And he sides up at 18, and he risks his life the way every white man on Okinawa Beach risks their lives.
	On Omaha Beach, I should say.
	Sorry.
	So he's on Omaha Beach just with them.
	He's in the Red Ball Express in a segregated unit.
	They're the transportation corps, but they're still risking their lives with the white men.
	They're all ostensibly fighting fascism.
	After taking that risk, he comes home, goes back to Decatur, back to, you know, Decatur, Mississippi, and he's told to sit to the back of the bus in his uniform.
	And he says, you know what?
	No, I'm not going to do that.
	I've shown my love for this country just like every white man that wore this uniform.
	And I'm going to be treated just like every white man that wore this uniform.
	And he, as he said, took the beating of his life.
	They dragged him off the bus and beat him.
	But he said he was a different man after that.
	Just a really important antidote, story, situation that needs to be discussed.
	Honestly, it's like sort of his, uh, the civil rights origin story.
	It's his, like, Spider-Man moment.
	Well, speaking of superheroes, I just imagine Steven listening to this, muscles swelling, hue of his body shifting, turning into racist Hulk.
	Underbite just coming out.
	Breathing hard really thinking about this the clip that he pulled talking about reparations for 10 seconds Do you think that that was truly cut for a tik-tok clip given to him like from the left or was this a right?
	Dissection of what she said that he's seeing on his tik-tok feed Well, I can say with certainty that he did not listen to the entire interview.
	It's a great listen by the way Yeah I mean just that two minutes we listened to it was really insightful honestly.
	I guarantee that there is more to the clip than what he's seeing there but it's just sort of like the only reason why you would see this is if you followed salon clips.
	I mean he's always talking about people that want to make content they're just clipping all this other stuff and it's like this interview came out like six days ago from this record It probably just went through.
	I'm sure if you read the description from the Salon reel that he looked at, he would see that it was just her promoting her book.
	Yeah, but the clip that he pulled is completely out of context and if it was Salon putting that out, I don't see why they would have.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	It has to be from like a longer clip.
	Or from some intentional misinformation.
	But who's even going through that to be like, fuck Joyanne Reed, I'm going to try it.
	It just seems like such a far stretch and such a weird non-target to do this to, especially given the material.
	This isn't the first time that he's targeted Joy Reed, though.
	It was just a couple weeks ago when she...
	It was a hot mic incident where she got mad about Joe Biden going into a war during a broadcast.
	She said, getting us into another fucking war or something like that under her breath.
	So he, I mean, she's got a target on her back from Steven.
	And I think that, you know, if Steven's focusing an entire segment of his show on this, I can't imagine there isn't someone on TikTok who would want to cut something out of context and use it.
	Joy does go on, discusses a little bit about what it's like to be a black person in America in 2024.
	I mean, to be a Black person in 2024 in America is to be in a state of complete perplexed confusion about what is wrong with a country that hates your history, to this day can't admit even the basics of what was done to your ancestors, can't accept any responsibility for the lack that has carried through the entirety of the existence of you in this country, and think 60 years of relative freedom is enough.
	Now blacks, please get out of Harvard.
	Now blacks, you can't get any more loans.
	You can't even give each other loans of $20,000 unless you give white men who get 99% of funding
	for their businesses, we want 100.
	And to find out that literally Barack Obama's two terms as president are your reparations,
	and Juneteenth, which you already celebrated anyway, is your reparations, and yet you built this country.
	You literally physically built this country and yet the attitude toward you from a lot of your peers and your fellow citizens is just shut up and be grateful.
	So there's the context.
	Yeah, and that obviously adds so much.
	Missing Gerald's voice on there.
	It adds so much to what you say.
	I think for so many people, and I hear this all the time when I have conversations about racism in America with people, is they talk about like it's illegal to be racist and da da
	da da da like we have these laws in place those laws are only in existence but when we actually look
	at how people are truly treated and i can't understand it because i'm a white guy in america
	yeah but if i was a black person in america i might understand it differently obviously so it's
	just one of those things where if people tell you how they're feeling tell you how
	they're being treated listen to them It's that simple.
	Stephen locks onto the reparations bit because... Getting angry.
	He locks onto the reparations bit because... The rays are going gamma.
	It's easy to be like, oh man, sorry we did that.
	Yeah.
	But when someone's like, Are you going to do anything about it?
	It's so easy to get defensive for them.
	I said I'm sorry.
	I said I'm sorry.
	That wasn't me.
	It wasn't me, bro.
	It's not like I put you in slavery.
	I hate hearing this stuff.
	It's heartbreaking.
	It's so much more nuanced.
	It's not just like, oh, we banned racism, we're good, and all of the equity stuff.
	Get out.
	It doesn't matter now.
	Everyone's free to do what they want.
	Well, and again, that's not even what Joy is talking about in this conversation.
	Jared, I mean, you have a little bit of information about the book that you pulled.
	Yeah, I mean, like, this story is, like, more interesting than this entire episode, so... Which is kind of why I want to hover here for a second.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's marinate in it for a second.
	The Medgar and Merle story.
	Joy reads, she's talking about how she had interviewed Merle Ever-Williams, like, I think she said six times.
	Something like that.
	Merle Ever-Williams, who among many of her accolades, she was a journalist and an author.
	She was a civil rights activist.
	She's the chairwoman of the NAACP, and she led the invocation at Obama's second inauguration.
	So she's been around.
	She's been doing the work, as they say.
	But for this context, Murley is also the widow of a World War II veteran and longtime civil rights activist, Medgar Evers.
	Joy lets us in on why she wrote the book about Murley and Medgar, the love that they shared as the grounding factor of the work that they were doing.
	As she put it in there, there's just so much like turmoil and like depression and as like the hard things, but there's a lot of like good things and I'm sure joyous times in there as well.
	But just so much to have to go through to just be like, I'm a fucking person in this world.
	Stop treating us like this.
	It seems like just a unique perspective though to like have love be kind of the vehicle of this difficult story.
	Yeah yeah and I mean like they were doing great work together and it's just I don't know it's like one of those I don't know why there's I'm sure that this story's been used somewhere because it's so like it's pivotal.
	And she tells us about that.
	So Medgar, he becomes the first field secretary for the NAACP in Mississippi.
	At the time, Emmett Till had just been murdered.
	He was lynched.
	And so the black community reeling from this, they want something done.
	Medgar goes into the Delta and he gathers these sharecroppers who we mentioned earlier and one of them was actually Emmett Till's uncle.
	He wanted them to testify against the men that killed Emmett Till.
	And they were terrified to do this because any retaliation against the white people meant death for them.
	But Megger arranged for him to happen and they got him to the city and they testified against them.
	Immediately, Megger puts them on a train back to Chicago just to get them out of harm's way.
	And this case, though, was dismissed in the courts.
	These guys got off, right?
	Not surprising.
	It really was kind of, I guess, the spark that lit the barn on fire to get the people moving in the right direction.
	For the Civil Rights Movement to actually take off in any kind of meaningful way.
	And so while, you know, like I said that they had lost Megger Evers, he trained people like John Lewis from the House of Representatives, as well as James Cheney is his name.
	He was with two other men who were lynched by the KKK.
	His death forced the North to deal with the Civil Rights Movement, all the the grease that's been happening in the South.
	So Medgar had been sending telegrams to President Kennedy explaining what was happening as, you know, as he was in the position at the NAACP at the time to do the communications with him.
	So that turned into Kennedy going on TV.
	This was June 12, 1963.
	This is the landmark address about civil rights.
	Kennedy says he's going to create a bill, they're going to do something about this.
	Mere hours after, Medgar Evers, who at the time had a FBI and police escort everywhere he was going.
	There was almost always two cops and one FBI agent, I believe it said, trailing him just to make sure he was okay.
	It was a very tumultuous time for him, being very vocal.
	Getting death threats telling it people call his house and say they're gonna murder his children They're gonna throw a firebomb through his window all the stuff is happening So this day Kennedy goes on TV his police escort his FBI escort nowhere to be found just gone Which is always you know The working ideas that possibly there was KKK involvement there.
	Yeah, and the kids would call it sus sus sus So Medgar gets out of his car and he's shot through the heart with a rifle and he stumbles 30 feet through his driveway to his front door and falls dead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I cannot imagine listening to this interview with Joy Reid, knowing the context of the book, Zeroing in on this 10 seconds and stretching it the way that these dumb fucking morons have done.
	And it's so easy for people to think that the civil rights movement was a long time ago, or that slavery was a long time ago.
	Because we have a black president, then racism is cured.
	During all of these events that he was just talking about, that he being Jared, he who is Jared, was just talking about.
	The royal he.
	The royal he.
	Like, our parents were alive when this was happening.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't that long ago.
	Yeah.
	And I think it's a, that's a good reminder.
	Like we're not that far.
	John Lewis just died in 2020.
	That's right.
	Frigging Rosa Parks died when we graduated high school.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy to think about.
	We were just talking about Rosa.
	The CEO of Little Caesars paid her rent, I think.
	Yeah.
	Guys, can we stop talking about all this stuff?
	I mean, sure, we should get back to complaining.
	Well, get back to the most important part of this.
	Of course.
	What's the number?
	What's the number, Joy Reid?
	What's the number for reparations?
	Is this still working?
	You watching right now, if you are black, is this still working?
	Because I'm never actually hearing an accurate number.
	Should you never have to work?
	Okay, affirmative action, you're getting spots that you don't deserve.
	People like, I don't know her SAT scores, I would love to see them.
	I don't know, we actually don't have Barack Obama's college transcripts, right?
	Getting into Columbia, no idea how.
	Okay, so you're getting into school, you can have a lower SAT, you can have less extracurriculars.
	Alright, you benefit disproportionately, meaning the black community benefit disproportionately from social safety nets that were created to cater to black voters.
	What's the number?
	At what point?
	Yeah, it's not reparations.
	The fact that there was a black president elected in a largely white country, that's the evidence that they're probably not a racist country.
	And the people who didn't vote for Barack Obama didn't not vote for him because he was black.
	They didn't vote for him because he sucks.
	Like your show!
	I love that Steven did exactly what she said people would do.
	Yeah, continue to do.
	Did she just rename it and move it?
	Exactly.
	Probably.
	She got a new weave.
	Like, yeah, put it on at morning drive.
	Who cares?
	What tells the difference?
	I love that Steven did exactly what she said people would do.
	Yeah, continue to do.
	Exactly.
	She literally said, people always act like this is enough.
	And then Steven's like, this is enough.
	What is this?
	I'm reading a CBS poll from 2008.
	Are we ready for a black president?
	I don't know, man.
	Interesting.
	Seventy percent of Americans in this country say they're ready.
	So that's pretty good.
	Racism's over.
	It's over.
	Seventy percent of Americans are okay.
	Do you play the ending track?
	Do you have an ending bumper?
	What's coming to my head, I think, is, uh, what is it?
	Public enemy's fear of a black planet?
	Yeah.
	It's not as simple as there's a number.
	It's not that simple at all.
	And it's easy for it to feel that simple when you didn't have to deal with this shit.
	And I'll remind you, this is fully not what Joy Reid was talking about.
	Not at all!
	Not even close.
	And she says, you know, there's actually like a pretty good clip in there that she's talking in that, you know, in the interview.
	She says, Betty Shabazz, who's the wife, the widow of Malcolm X. Coretta Scott King, who is of course the the widow of Martin Luther King Jr.
	as well as Merlie Ever Williams, clear widow of Medgar, who we just spoke about.
	That these three women basically had to like start figuring out how to not make a misstep for black women.
	They had to look perfect.
	They had to talk perfect.
	Like their kids couldn't be out of line.
	Like not a single hair on their head.
	You know everything had to be perfect because if anything weren't it would just be it would delegitimize them in the face of white America basically.
	And so they're just sort of like Joy Reid still having to deal with that with Steven and she just she sums it up so perfectly that it was like it's almost like this was meant for us to like hear this to have something to say you know I don't know it's just not not even serendipitous or anything it's just I you know two obviously different conversations
	That we are intercepting both of it, but it's just so stark of a fucking difference.
	Yeah.
	Of what's, I don't know, so stupid.
	It sucks.
	It sucks.
	At least we didn't get Black History Facts this week.
	They seem to have either abandoned that as a segment or, I don't know, left it out.
	I recently saw a clip today of Tom McDonald saying that you should listen to his music in celebration of Black History Month.
	Interesting.
	Yep, it was great.
	Stephen's been doing this more often lately for a show that says it's funded by Mug Club Primarily I think is what they say.
	Yeah, they sure have been hunting for sponsors last week They did like a live read for a tax preparation company.
	Okay, it was very long very uncomfortable this week Watchtower, they're going to be a new sponsor to the show, a major partnership that we're excited about.
	Just in case you don't know, a lot of people ask us, we have all these chats, hey, about AR-15s, they're actually doing this stuff in the United States.
	A lot of people don't know, a lot of firearms out there, like these European conglomerates from countries that do not honor or have any second amendment at all, they own and profit from like Colt, Browning, Winchester, I think FN licenses via like Olin chemicals.
	So a lot of these companies, they sort of mislead the American public.
	Watchtower.
	Okay.
	These guys are typically Walther pistol folks, but I guess there's always room for another gun on his table.
	Yeah, is he gonna just... He's gonna sling an AR over his shoulder now.
	He's got the two holsters.
	He's kind of quit the holster thing.
	That was his look for a while.
	Yeah, I think enough people were like, fuck off.
	Look at this fucking dork.
	Idiot.
	Jackass.
	This is interesting though.
	I looked into Watchtower as a company and there's a Breitbart article calling them the anti-woke gun company.
	Sick.
	I didn't find anything of them saying that.
	Are they a woke gun company?
	I don't know.
	But I did discover that Watchtower's CEO and founder is a guy named Jason Koloski.
	Who, you know, prior, because, I mean, you don't come out of the womb making guns.
	Nah, I did, dude.
	Prior to founding Watchtower, he served as the Senior Executive at Raytheon, where he oversaw Raytheon's strategic engagements with the Pentagon, State Department, and the White House?
	This is fine.
	I don't know.
	It seems kind of odd.
	At least there's not other members of, you know, the people running this company.
	Wait.
	What?
	Who's that?
	This is Chief Communications Officer Ray Cash Care.
	Cash is a nickname, I see.
	Okay.
	Probably makes them lots of money.
	He led high and low profile missions for the Central Intelligence Agency around the world, the CIA.
	Nice.
	It's good that they're, you know, holding firm to their beliefs in this new partnership with Watchtower, you know.
	And they're woke, right?
	Well... Or they're not woke.
	They're not woke.
	They ain't woke, dude.
	More or less woke than Lockheed Martin.
	I guess all of these things are former, but it still is kind of an interesting partnership.
	Of course it is.
	Someone who's pro-CIA, worked at Raytheon.
	These are the boogeymen for Steven.
	Yeah, but I mean, it's kind of like how Matt Walsh will take any sponsors he can get.
	I feel like that's all that this is.
	I don't think Steven's getting that many sponsorship asks.
	Well, it's interesting you say that.
	Their relationship is a bit more intense.
	They kind of pulled out all the stops for the Louder Than Crowder crew.
	They sent those to us, and that one's obviously for you, sir.
	But we're going to have the etching on there for Mug Club members, and we're working on getting that launched probably here in the next week or two.
	Oh, the Mug Club AR?
	Yeah, so basically they have a Mug Club AR, and we're going back and forth between LWC and the actual Mug logo on there.
	Oh, cool.
	Really cool.
	They have their own gun.
	God damn it.
	The Mug Club AR.
	We're going back and forth on whether or not we should put the Mug logo on there or if it's just such a collaterd with Gratter or Palestine on it.
	Or maybe we should treat guns like a serious fucking thing.
	We could treat them like that or we could, you know, make it a fun novelty that's decorated with my favorite podcast logo.
	Hey guys, we've taken inspiration from all of your cool first-person shooters and we've added charms you can get for your AR.
	You know, I want to get Alex Jones's face etched onto the side of it, like mouth agape, you know?
	I want to get a gun that has like a suppressor on it and then every time I shoot it like a sound of Alex Jones going...
	That's fun.
	All of my pistols have Ira Glass on them.
	I've got an NPR NRA card.
	I've got a Bernie Sanders grenade belt.
	That's cool, man.
	I was sending you one that said, uh, all things considered.
	I thought it was like kind of poetic.
	Yeah.
	Especially when like the gun is smoking on the end.
	All right.
	Enough of all that.
	Really cool.
	Um, I can't wait to see their relationship bloom and I hope that people, you know, a lot of our listeners have been talking about people in, I don't want to do that.
	I was gonna say, in their office with louder-than-crowder mugs.
	I hope they don't show up with louder-than-crowder mug club ARs, but... I hope not.
	Digging back, I found that Steven never discussed the Putin interview.
	He did do an episode when Tucker was in Russia, when it was just a rumor.
	Yeah, they didn't really cover the interview itself.
	That's a terrible interview.
	The episode when it was just a rumor, they brought up how other journalists had talked to controversial world leaders, like interviews with Osama Bin Laden or Gaddafi.
	And then they made fun of Barbara Walter's speech impediment for like equal time.
	Yeah, that's appropriate.
	Of course they kind of hung on there.
	It's worth that discussion.
	Yeah, but I'll just say it.
	The difference between the Tucker interview and all of those is that Tucker isn't a traditional journalist.
	What?
	He's got a lean, and... No!
	Well, I think that NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, uh... Any other ones?
	There was an era where journalists asked questions without political messaging behind them.
	I think that it's always been there, but, you know, it's just different levels.
	Dan Rather doesn't have an agenda.
	Totally.
	Yeah, well, and there's definitely value in interviewing world leaders.
	The difference is that Tucker Carlson is not a journalist at all.
	Well, no.
	Do you remember when Trump said that he would consider Tucker Carlson as a running mate?
	I do remember that.
	Let's talk Navalny and the narrative the left is pushing after his death.
	The American left and the right, I guess you'd say, conservative liberals, they're trying to use the death of this guy, Navalny, to push a narrative.
	And neither one is right.
	So, some people on the right are trying to claim that Navalny was a Western plant.
	Now, here's the truth.
	Navalny, not at all a liberal, just to be clear.
	No.
	The left is trying to claim that Navalny's persecution is what Donald Trump wants to do here in America.
	And the truth is that President Trump is far more like Navalny than he is Vladimir Putin.
	Absolutely.
	Interesting.
	Quick and brief, Alexei Navalny, Russian opposition leader, anti-corruption activist and politician, Gained prominence for his investigations into corruption
	among Russian officials including high-ranking members of the government
	like Vladimir Putin So he attempted to run for various political offices
	including against Putin Yeah, big mistake to be president of Russia. This whole
	thing wasn't an easy road for Alexei, of course Who is a YouTuber?
	You know, I didn't actually know that I know that they play a video of his during the campaign that we're gonna talk about in a minute.
	I was unaware of his YouTube career.
	Did he do like, you know, drive-thru food reviews or like... No, I'm not really too sure what... Haul videos?
	Did he do hauls?
	Try it.
	Try on hauls.
	Yeah.
	Actually, he's like a cologne sample guy.
	Like Jeremy Fragrance?
	That's right.
	Whoa, no way!
	Very cool.
	In 2020, August, Alexei fell seriously ill.
	Poisoned with a nerve agent, which I know Russia disputes that.
	They say that, I don't know, I think they said he had pancreatitis or something.
	Nice.
	So on his YouTube channel, he like posted that he was getting better after this, right?
	That's like, I think the kind of, it's like a vlog or something.
	Oh wow, interesting.
	A lot of people believe that this was a poisoning and that it was at the hands of the Russian government, but yeah, like Jared just said, miraculously he did survive, which I think there's only three people who are rumored to have survived this type of poison, which is specific to the Kremlin.
	Yeah.
	Either way, yeah, later But Navalny was arrested on extremism charges and he was sent to a Russian penal colony.
	Because he went back.
	Yeah.
	So he went to Europe and then he went back and then got arrested immediately.
	And he was sent to Arctic Wolf, which is deep in the Arctic Circle in northern Russia.
	It's one of the worst prisons in the world.
	Was that the one that Hopper went to?
	Hopper same same one guys.
	I have only seen the first season.
	Really?
	Yeah, I don't I don't do I guess turns out I don't do pop culture like People on our Twitter.
	They they all know your references.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	You're all dude It's because I have to do this stuff all day.
	It's fair.
	It sucks.
	Well Hopper went there.
	Oh Oh cool, I like that guy.
	What happened to him?
	Like watch it like a TikTok video and just put kind of like underneath the Crowder clips maybe we can watch.
	I could oh it's like instead of kinetic sand I have like current pop culture and then in the top I just listen to Gerald talk about God and how...
	The Prison.
	Arctic Wolf reported, on February 16th, 2024, in Penal Colony No.
	3, convict Navalny felt unwell after a walk, almost immediately losing consciousness.
	Interesting, that sounds like poison again.
	The medical staff of this institution arrived immediately and an ambulance team was called.
	Quote, all necessary resuscitation measures were carried out which did not give positive results.
	Doctors of the ambulance stated the death of the convict.
	The causes of death are being established, which it doesn't really seem like they are because of course right now they're holding his body for I think it's two to four weeks.
	I think that's the appropriate amount of time.
	Seems right.
	I guess it seems like... Seems ripe.
	Well, it seems like the right amount of time for any traces of poison to, you know, leave the body.
	Or let people not do the research.
	You don't think they're going to care about it?
	I mean, I don't know if the poison would go away or whatever.
	I mean, they're going to cover shit up for sure.
	But look.
	Look, I think there's real value.
	For example, we were talking about Tucker, and we tried to cover the interview with Putin, which I think was, look, I think was pretty valuable.
	I think it was important to do.
	I support, of course, but then he also did the grocery store run in Russia.
	Subway.
	Missing some context.
	Yep.
	Like, I don't know why this is, it's controversial to say, and I'm not, this is not fence-sitting.
	I'm a conservative, to be clear.
	I absolutely think there's value in saying, yeah, of course Russia is corrupt.
	However, there's a lot of corruption here in the United States.
	To which you turn a blind eye.
	There's value to that.
	Yes.
	There absolutely is value to that.
	And there is value to say, hey, you know what, hold on a second.
	When you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars being pledged to Ukraine, that's also a money laundering capital of the world, and it's corrupt, and it's basically an installed government.
	That's absolutely true.
	Yeah, now hundreds of billions of dollars.
	Did I say hundreds of millions?
	Sorry.
	Guys, admonish me.
	In my head, I forget millions, billions.
	I mean, you know.
	A lot of conservatives have that problem.
	And we talked about this, you know, it was the same night that Joseph Biden did his little
	uh, did his little press conference, left, came back, was clearly out of his mind, and
	you saw an interview with Putin.
	Look, objectively, Vladimir Putin looks more powerful when you look at those two, I guess,
	sort of public spectacles because he was articulate, even if some of it was propaganda, he had
	an understanding of Russian history, uh, and it doesn't make former Vice President Biden
	look very good.
	First, let me get ahead of this.
	I know earlier in the show I made a joke about someone standing on the fence.
	I am now aware it is sitting, and I apologize for that mistake.
	You can stand on it.
	I always said ride the fence.
	Oh, interesting.
	Well, I'm glad I'm not as foolish as I felt.
	Well, I mean, you never sit on your butt.
	You sit on, like, you squat.
	Squatting on the fence.
	I think it is a squatting on the fence.
	Replace feet hurt with butt hurt.
	Butt hurt.
	You know, I think what I really find funny here is I can't tell the difference between a mumbling English speaker and an articulate Russian speaker.
	Sure.
	I don't speak Russian.
	So if someone's mumbling in Russian... I mean, interesting.
	I do think that maybe, currently, Vladimir Putin is a better public speaker.
	Of course he is.
	He is also 10 years younger than Joe Biden.
	Yes.
	It doesn't really matter.
	I don't think Stephen watched the interview.
	He said he tried to, but got distracted by Tucker going to the grocery store, which was a meme-able moment.
	Yeah.
	Touching bread.
	Touching bread.
	Sniffing it.
	Loving the subway system, which does look pretty spectacular there.
	That looks fine, yeah.
	It's interesting.
	How much does the average person in Moscow make?
	I think it's like... It's like $200 a month.
	It's not a lot.
	Relatively, it's very expensive for Russians.
	Also, what are the penalties for vandalism in Russia?
	Oh, it's fine.
	You just go to the Arctic Circle or whatever.
	I'll just send you to a, you know, a penal colony, which the boys find very funny.
	Every time you say penal colony, they love that.
	Do they?
	Really?
	Oh, big chungus colony.
	And I guess we'll return to the idea of Biden versus Putin and the power that they display when they communicate.
	But, uh, Let's talk about another powerful speaker.
	Okay.
	I guess a reoccurring segment that they have... Hitler bad.
	Okay?
	Hitler, we all agree, Hitler is terrible.
	All the time.
	Of course.
	Except for his final act.
	Now, I can... I can... Moving to Argentina.
	Sorry, Hitler bad until he shot himself.
	Then he was like, alright, fine.
	But in the fullness of time, I can say objectively, comment below, is this a controversial statement?
	Adolf Hitler at one point in time was not only perceived to be, but was a more powerful man than someone who would be morally superior in Chamberlain.
	Right?
	We're talking about Neville Chamberlain.
	It required a Churchill, a powerful man to come in and stop someone like a Hitler.
	That doesn't mean that Hitler wasn't powerful, and Chamberlain obviously would have had the moral high ground, but he was a weak man.
	Or, he's an incapable man.
	Same thing saying, Putin, obviously, is more articulate, more lucid than Joseph Biden.
	That shouldn't be controversial.
	Now, that being said, of course this is a man who jails political dissidents, and yeah, of course we would wager that Navalny was foul play suspected.
	You know why?
	Because, I don't know, we'll talk about it in a second, they tried multiple times before, they were just unsuccessful in killing him.
	Yeah, because Russians are drunks.
	Well.
	Uh, they couldn't help themselves.
	Had to get a little racist jab in there.
	Yeah, but they did through history a little bit.
	We needed a powerful person to stand up against Hitler.
	I don't know if we're there anymore.
	I think we need collective good ideas.
	That's how we fight bad ideas.
	And also, Biden's fairly powerful.
	He is powerful.
	He runs the most powerful country in the world.
	But what's Stephen's solution here?
	Re-elect Donald Trump because Donald Trump is a more powerful person.
	He's not.
	He's not the Churchill, most certainly.
	No.
	He's not going to unite people against anything.
	Not at all.
	No.
	Put Churchill next to Trump.
	They kind of look similar.
	Yeah, they're similar looking.
	Maybe it'll trick Putin.
	Into being fearful.
	Yeah.
	Churchill got that cigar though.
	That's kind of cool.
	Yeah.
	And that big old top hat.
	I don't know.
	Grab your pickaxe and gold pan because... Here's a claim that you get from the right, my right earlobe.
	Claim joke.
	That Navalny, I've been seeing this going around, that he was actually just a Western puppet.
	So here's the truth.
	Whether you like Putin, Navalny, or not, Navalny was a Russian nationalist through and through.
	He refused to meet the United States ambassador to avoid getting too close to the United States.
	He supported the annexing of Crimea.
	He attended Russian nationalist marches.
	He advocated for deporting migrants, saying immigrants from Central Asia bring in, well, immigrants from Central Asia bring in drugs to Russia.
	Because technically Russia, Asiatic, but I'm making clear.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So he's Russian?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who believed in, you know, things that Russian people believe in.
	Yeah.
	Is he, is he trying to make us think worse of Alexei Navalny to try and, and make us like Putin more?
	Exactly.
	Is that what Stephen's trying to do?
	Kind of.
	Just want to make sure if I, I need to know if I need to like Putin or not.
	Putin's cool, right?
	The Alexi is pretty much just Putin, right?
	He's like 91% Putin.
	He is.
	89% Putin.
	And 11% nerve gas.
	Well, that's sad.
	That sucks to hear.
	The boys watch a pro-gun, anti-Muslim campaign ad that I guess is probably on Navalny's YouTube page.
	And then Josh jumps in with an observation.
	And boys, this is why they keep him coming back.
	Looked like the Phantom of the Opera to me.
	It did a little bit.
	He broke in, yeah.
	I just need love!
	Die!
	I've never actually seen the Phantom of the Opera.
	Like, I don't really fully know the story.
	Yeah, it's a mask.
	He lives in the opera.
	I think it's an opera noterback.
	Noterback?
	Noterback!
	It's an opera hunchback.
	What?
	Who are we?
	All Joseph Biden right now?
	We can't play the same character.
	Gerald with a noterback.
	Yes.
	It was a gay time.
	There was a good-looking gypsy.
	At a gay old time, you're right.
	That gypsy?
	Can we say gypsy?
	Yeah, the cartoon gypsy.
	She was fun.
	One of the better cartoons Disney's made.
	They're all good cartoons.
	Jasmine's the best.
	Yeah, they want to fuck cartoons.
	Yeah, got the hentai energy coming off the boys today.
	And again, getting back into Jordan Peterson's lane, I think they should probably clear out of there.
	That's not theirs.
	But they're talking, what, Esmeralda from the Hunchback?
	It does seem like that.
	Esmeralda and Jasmine.
	And also, really quick, I thought only Joe Biden misspeaks.
	They were saying they were as bad as Joe Biden.
	Yeah, but... Why are they calling him Joseph, by the way?
	Joseph Biden?
	I don't know.
	Is it just like a weird thing they're into?
	Former Vice President Joseph Biden?
	That's just weird, man.
	It's just interesting for them to highlight the fact that, you know, people make mistakes during speech.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	But especially doddering old men, who I hate.
	Exactly, yeah.
	If I hate you, if I hate you, I make fun of you and you're a loser.
	If I do it, it's fine.
	We need to make a list of cartoons Stephen wants to fuck.
	We know Jasmine's on the list.
	Well, that's Zach.
	I think that's Zach's, right?
	And so is Merelda.
	Should we reprimand for saying The Gypsy?
	Yeah, that wasn't good.
	Get the fuck out of here with that.
	It's pretty bad stuff.
	We don't need to do that.
	We don't want to gloss over it, but it's also like...
	When there's just so much racism and you're having to just like take big breaths when you're coming up from air from it.
	It's just sometimes you don't grab everything, you know?
	It's true.
	And just gloss over it.
	I'm sorry, you know?
	It's just a lot.
	Your hands are full of all the things you have to grab.
	So Navalny's dead.
	Yes.
	We talked about it.
	But how do we make this about something entirely different?
	Let's remove all context and remove it from the region.
	But they say that Donald Trump wants to persecute his opponents just like Vladimir Putin.
	Oh lord.
	This is what Eric Swalwell, professional banger of Chinese spies.
	Hey, why is this guy not in jail?
	What's our equivalent to a Siberian penal colony?
	He was banging Chinese spies and he's still in office.
	Hmm.
	Maybe he got some important information out of her.
	Yes!
	No.
	A good recipe for- He doesn't have- No.
	Chinese spy banger!
	Eric Swalwell did have sex with a spy, but I'm kind of confused.
	Like, wouldn't that make him, like, a victim?
	Uh, no, because if you're a bright guy, the spies, they don't get to you.
	Well, but their job is to do that.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	You have a weird special, like, Republican energy detector.
	Sure, sure.
	And you can detect the spy energy.
	And shut that down.
	Your body has a way to shut that whole thing down if you're a Republican.
	Oh, interesting there.
	Yeah, they love Sam.
	Hi-yah!
	Spicy, Dennis.
	Do you guys remember when that was, like, the worst thing that happened?
	Oh, yeah.
	God, yeah.
	Oh, man.
	Simpler times of hate.
	Runs chills.
	I just have a little bit of sympathy for Eric.
	I don't think you belong in jail for being taken advantage of.
	Yeah, you are not a spy because you were taken advantage of.
	No.
	They're victim blaming everybody.
	Yeah, it's pretty wild.
	And also Josh almost said they would give him a good recipe for like Chinese food, but he couldn't come up with a name for Chinese food.
	So a little racism by Josh.
	A little bit of that.
	What happened to Austin Powers?
	Remember that spy that shagged me?
	What happened to him?
	I might have to revisit that film from a different perspective now.
	Should we stop down and watch it real quick?
	Let's just stop like we usually do about this point.
	We stop, watch a full-in feature film, and then return to the show.
	So alright, be right back.
	That movie's shagadelic.
	That was really good.
	Are you horny, baby?
	Yeah!
	I am.
	Wow.
	I can't do it.
	I'm like, hey, baby!
	Okay.
	Baby!
	You're up on a beam over there.
	What are you doing?
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a worker on a steel building?
	What?
	So after talking about how Eric Swalwell got seduced by a Chinese spy, they read one of his tweets, you know, they get back to the He's not with that person anymore, right?
	No, of course not.
	That's so crazy to me.
	You can go back to her, but they sure do go back to talking about Chinese spy stuff.
	Great.
	He tweeted this over the weekend.
	He said, What?
	Let Navalny's death be a warning to America.
	If returned to power, Donald Trump will jail his opponents.
	This isn't a forecast.
	He has already told us this.
	There will be no evidence or due process.
	And certainly no opposition from Republicans in Congress.
	Couple of things before I get to the truth.
	Do you mean like lock her up, Hillary Clinton, and then he did nothing?
	Ah, there you go.
	Even though she actually did commit crimes by her own admission?
	Do you mean like Barack Obama, who was spying on the Donald Trump campaign?
	No.
	You say that he has told us... No, he's told us that there will be justice for corrupt members of the swamp.
	That's what I would like him to do.
	He's like, we don't have to assume.
	He's already said he'll do it.
	It's like, show me one person.
	Yes.
	One person that he has locked up as a political opponent.
	Show me any evidence that Barack Obama spied on your campaign and we'll get back to you.
	That didn't happen.
	Hillary may have committed some crimes out of negligence.
	The hard drive on the server.
	If there was real crimes that were committed, we're fine with that.
	Absolutely.
	If it was discovered, yeah.
	We're fine with it.
	Totally fine with it.
	I think they did investigate her?
	Yes.
	Yeah, they did.
	Yeah, James Comey publicly discussing the reopening of that case may have cost her the election.
	Would that hunk James Comey?
	Why is this something I wouldn't- Ooh, that's a tall glass of water.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What I loved about this clip you just played, by the way, was him trying to do a voice for Eric Swalwell, but he couldn't figure one out.
	He bailed.
	He's like, I don't know how to do white guy.
	This sucks!
	He had no idea what to do.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	He tried.
	He's not really spending a lot of time on this guy.
	Stupid.
	It's just, there's nothing here, and so there's no reason to jump on him, I guess.
	The former Vice President Biden regime is, as far as I can remember in my lifetime, they have jailed more political opponents than any administration that I can think of.
	Yeah, they've gone after people in ways that we've never seen before.
	And it's right in line with, you know, it started with former President Barack Obama using the IRS to target political opponents, conservatives, the Tea Party back then, and now you have, and I believe that Donald Trump issued more pardons than any president in modern history, if I'm not mistaken, but certainly more than Joe Biden if you look at it on a month-per-month basis.
	Or annual basis.
	It's astonishing, the difference.
	Yeah.
	Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
	Joe Biden's under, like, 50.
	Right.
	And Trump was, like, a few thousand.
	I don't know if it was 50,000, but it was high.
	A few thousand.
	Oh, I thought you said 50,000.
	I was like, whoa, come on, hyperbole.
	Just wrong.
	Josh is not, he shouldn't be talking anything.
	A few thousand, bro.
	A few thousand?
	Uh, I think what was it, petitions granted by Donald Trump, 144, and clemency granted was 94?
	Okay, that's a few thousand.
	I know.
	I don't think so.
	There was a lot of petitions received for clemency.
	And also, it seems like they're kind of on track.
	Usually a lot of the pardons and clemency happen at the end of their fourth year.
	Yeah.
	Didn't he, like, commute the sentence of Roger Stone?
	He did.
	Like, it's such a weird... But Kodak Black too, right?
	I don't know.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
	It's just such a strange bar.
	That's like hearing about who could eat the most hot dogs between the two.
	Well, who can?
	Joey Chestnut, dude.
	Come on.
	Joey Chestnut and who?
	That's a strange comparison to make.
	Sure.
	By pardoning people, does that mean you're pardoning specifically politically persecuted individuals?
	Is that what they're implying?
	It's not the case.
	I have a feeling that it's probably going to be on par.
	I think it's all going to be... Well, what if petitions granted 212 by Barack Obama?
	That seems to be...
	That seems to be more than Donald Trump.
	More than Donald Trump?
	Holy shit!
	Wow, very interesting stuff.
	So let's look at Joe Biden.
	Has he jailed political... Remember Enrique Tarrio?
	Yeah.
	Proud Boys guy?
	Sentenced to 22 years for January 6th.
	Ah, it's because of that old terrorism charge.
	Yeah, except he was in a Baltimore hotel.
	Well... Now granted, he wasn't banging Chinese spies in said hotel.
	Oh, and Schreyer?
	It'd be cool if he was.
	It'd be a lot cooler if he did.
	In that movie line, comment below.
	Owen Schreyer, he was on the show, sentenced to two months for January 6th.
	He didn't enter the Capitol at all, let alone engage in any type of violence or destruction.
	Owen Schreyer, nothing.
	He didn't encourage violence.
	It's not the reason that he was arrested.
	So two people who were involved in January 6th who were tried in a jury and found guilty and were in jail.
	And then Eric Swalwell was the victim of someone taking advantage of him.
	Yes, and that's comparable.
	Enrique Tarrio, seditious conspiracy.
	Serious.
	And again, there was a trial.
	Barack Obama was actually the... I'm so fucking lost right now, you guys.
	Wait, what?
	Why?
	I thought we were talking about freakin' hot dog eating championships.
	I thought we were talking about freakin' Kobayashi.
	Kobayashi, of course, the king, yeah.
	And so I was trying to figure out where he fit into all of this.
	Damn.
	And now we're talking about fuckin' Dario?
	Well, yeah, and- He's in- he's in prison sitting now, right?
	Locked up, yeah, eating hot dogs in jail.
	With, like, the other 750 of those guys.
	Well, I think they're probably separated, but Owen Schreier, we've talked about this too, completely unrelated to storming the Capitol or planning.
	It was a deferred sentence in which he did not perform community service, therefore his presence on Capitol grounds was enough to mean that he needed to go to the NFL.
	Yeah, and Kamala Harris personally arrested him.
	I don't think that's true.
	She did.
	She did.
	Trust me.
	Joanne Reed.
	She said some dope shit about Theriot.
	She said Theriot found out that black lives do matter.
	She did say that.
	Yeah.
	I thought that was pretty clever.
	Pretty interesting.
	She went hard.
	She went in on it.
	Definitely worth listening to.
	Yeah.
	Go listen to that interview.
	Salon.
	It's great.
	Then you have the total number of January 6th protesters.
	It's 1,296 charged, 797 sentenced, and the median sentence for what was largely trespassing, that was the most common charge, 165 days.
	165 days serving in jail or prison.
	If you took a walking tour.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Of the people's house.
	I say that every time.
	It's the people's house.
	You own it.
	Alright, come on in.
	Alright, let's be peaceful.
	Then you do 165 days in jail.
	Yeah.
	When has Donald Trump done that?
	You know, like an open house, like in the real estate world?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Usually I show up when it's time, of course.
	Kick in the door.
	I smash in the windows usually.
	It's much easier to go through a window.
	I go inside, I take a shit on the floor.
	I'm loud.
	I threaten the owners.
	Yeah, and I kind of corner them into, you know, a panic room type situation.
	I just steal stuff that belongs to the owners.
	It's pretty cool.
	It's really cool.
	They continue to equate it to a walking tour.
	They're all false equivalencies.
	Rewriting history.
	Yes, absolutely.
	These people were convicted in fucking trials.
	Well, not all of them yet.
	Some of them are still pending.
	Of course.
	I know what I'm saying.
	But the ones that are convicted, it wasn't like Joe Biden just walked around and was like... Soros judges.
	Yeah, it was all Soros juries.
	Right.
	To try to make this out to be the worst incident that we've ever experienced again, you know, this worst attack on democracy in our history and the people, the number that we didn't include there, the people who committed suicide.
	Here we go.
	Rather than go to jail for what they thought would be 10, 20 years, thought their life was over because of this.
	Is that really what we saw on January 6th?
	Right.
	People committing suicide because of trumped up charges?
	Especially in some cases where they pled guilty thinking it was going to be this charge, then the government changed it and said, hey, they're actually tacking on this charge, and they kill themselves at 22 years old!
	Because of this.
	You know why?
	Because you say, if these people can send me to prison, they can definitely do anything while I'm in prison.
	They can ensure that I'm unprotected, that I'm vulnerable, and I have as unpleasant of a time as possible.
	Almost like a Siberian penal colony.
	Almost.
	They lose their job and everything else.
	Yep.
	Lose their reputation.
	It's absolutely insane.
	Yeah.
	Thanks for butting in, Josh.
	They were just talking about their life threatened.
	You lose your job?
	This makes me so mad, I know we have a lot to talk about this, but these people are like brainwashed into thinking they need to do this, and then they do it, and then they commit suicide, and then they try and blame that on the victim of the attack.
	It's Joe Biden's fault.
	Yeah, it's absolutely bonkers to me.
	The blood is on the hands of Donald Trump.
	It's like if you were to hire someone to kill your wife, that person doesn't do it, and then they Well, I did look into this a little bit and I have a lot of sympathy for the people who found themselves in this position.
	I have sympathy for all of these people because they're all tricked into doing this.
	Yeah, and it's all surrounding this really horrible event that it was serious.
	It was not a walking torch.
	Matthew Perna, he died on February 25th of 2022 of a broken heart, his family wrote.
	Quote, his community, which he loved, his country, and the justice system killed his spirit and his zest for life.
	This is the most common account that I found in doing research on January 6th participants who took their life.
	He pleaded guilty in 2022 of four charges related to insurrection, including one felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding.
	He had entered the Capitol on January 6th.
	Of course, filming with his phone and chanting USA sounds innocent enough.
	His family said in his obituary that he had attended the rally and riot to, quote, peacefully stand up for his beliefs.
	He was sentenced April 1st and faced up to 20 years, this is the case that they were referencing, and a fine of $250,000, according to The Independent, from his family.
	The constant delays in hearings and postponements dragged out for over a year because of this.
	Matt's heart broke and his spirit died and many people are responsible for the pain he endured.
	Not himself, though, and certainly not Donald Trump.
	According to the FBI's accounts on January 14th of 2021 they met with him and at the time he admitted to entering the Capitol but said it was, quote, not his intention and that he only entered after he and a man found a door that was already open and he was, quote, pushed inside by the crowd of people around him.
	And then he was chanting USA, USA, of course.
	But another PA man, Mark Ongst, who pled guilty to a misdemeanor in the January 6th attack in the US Capitol, also died by suicide.
	For what he was charged, he was only punishable up to six months in jail and a $5,000 fine.
	So...
	Yeah.
	I guess it doesn't always matter what the potential penalty was.
	Of course not.
	Yeah, I mean, for one... There's weight of the situation.
	Totally, yeah.
	The weight of it, the anxiety of it, the fear of it.
	These people, I feel bad for them.
	Of course.
	I feel bad for people who were just victims of the flow.
	I don't feel bad for people like Enrique Tarrio, who were like orchestrating some of it.
	Sure.
	But all of these things, I don't see Joe Biden being even present in this reasoning, in this conversation.
	No, he was elected president.
	Yeah.
	He was not at the White House at the time.
	He was not.
	He did not guide these people into the Capitol.
	But he did steal the election.
	He did not request them to go and march on the Capitol.
	He didn't not ask them to step down and go home when there was seriously a problem happening.
	Joe Biden, he was just present.
	Yeah, but he's the one responsible for all of the potential prison time for these political prisoners.
	Oh, I didn't think about that.
	This is, I think, one of the sadder ones and probably most confusing, too.
	This is from the Chicago Sun-Times.
	Shane Wood's state of mind moments before the crash on November 8th indicates that he was worried about spending significant jail time for his actions in the Capitol riot.
	He pleaded guilty in September to committing assault on the U.S.
	Capitol grounds and assaulting and resisting a federal officer.
	He was 44 years old and he told a police officer in Divermon who had initially pulled him over for speeding.
	Divermon's my favorite Pokemon.
	That's interesting.
	What's it evolved to?
	Uh, Scubaman.
	Oh, right.
	Speeding on the interstate around 7 15 p.m.
	He was on his way to a motel after being kicked out of his house.
	The police report states the officer noted the smell of alcohol in his breath when the officer told Woods that he was going to be ticketed for speeding.
	Woods replied that he wasn't going to pay it anyway because he was going to jail for 10 years and was quote not serving the jail time because he was going to kill himself.
	Woods also told the officer that he was worth more dead than alive and that all his children would be okay.
	Apparently the officer pleaded with Woods telling him that probably wouldn't spend that much time in jail, which is
	true.
	He probably would have gotten out. Murder sentence. Of course. And asking him not to leave the scene.
	The officer went back to his patrol car and contacted his sergeant for assistance, and Woods drove off, and used the exit ramp at mile marker 88 to enter the southbound lane of I-55 heading north, and his GMC Sierra then crashed into the vehicle of a woman named Lauren Wagner.
	It was a Mercury Sable, and then he hit a Toyota Corolla driven by a 61-year-old Granite City man, but Lauren was pronounced dead at the scene.
	So, horrific.
	Also, more blood on the hands of Donald Trump.
	Joe Biden.
	Sorry, pardon me.
	Joe Biden is exactly what I meant.
	But also, Josh, he's really good at this.
	He really loves to ruin Stephen's points.
	Sorry to interrupt you.
	Oh, I was going to say, not to mention those, I think it was like four police officers that were involved in that that killed themselves within three days.
	So they can't talk?
	Remember they were all listed as deaths?
	7 deaths!
	They said 7, then they went to 5.
	So 5 deaths.
	There was 1 death.
	And it wasn't an officer.
	It wasn't an officer, and then there were 4 officers that died later because they killed themselves.
	Killed themselves.
	I've never seen that in any riot, anything like that.
	I mean, for crying out loud, there's been like mass, like the Las Vegas shooting.
	Not one officer killed himself after that.
	Interesting that you would say that.
	Sounds like an exceptional... Steven's like, Josh, dude... Josh, the situation seems to be... Biden didn't kill those ones!
	Oh, right.
	Really sad.
	It's heartbreaking.
	Suddenly care about people killing themselves, though?
	That seems a bit off to me.
	Every time that they've ever talked about suicide on this show, it's always, like, in a positive way.
	If you don't count the suicides, gun deaths is zero.
	The 41% of trans people.
	All that bullshit.
	It just rings hollow, right?
	Because we know how they talk about this otherwise.
	The whole thing is a horrendous event.
	The ripples continue.
	And I guess one side is trying to heal this and the other is trying to make it worse.
	I mean, we have to focus on the fact that they're saying that we're here because of Joe Biden politically persecuting people, ignoring the fact that January 6th happened before Biden was president.
	Yes.
	Right?
	It was all because people didn't want him to be president so bad!
	Because he cheated, because someone said he cheated.
	Yeah, because somebody said he cheated.
	And they believe that without evidence.
	They said before the election that he was going to cheat.
	Yeah.
	Simone Biles is obviously very present here with her gymnastics.
	They're very good.
	They're very good.
	Olympic.
	Olympic level gymnastics here.
	You hear it every time that they put some more bullshit information on the screen.
	A backhand spring across it, you know?
	Yeah.
	Let's look at another truth here.
	The Biden administration, the DOJ, they actually want to do to Trump what Putin did to Navalny.
	It's a very clear comparison and I don't know why so many people out there are missing this.
	So Navalny was, he was basically jailed, incarcerated.
	I mean I use the term jail, it doesn't seem severe enough for a Siberian penal colony.
	A bunch of trumped up charges.
	Fraud, embezzlement, extremism related charges.
	Then he violated parole because he went to Germany for some medical treatment after he was poisoned.
	By Russian agents?
	Yes.
	They're getting him for going to get treatment after their nerve agent failed to kill him and left him in a desperate need of treatment that they wouldn't give him in Russia?
	Right.
	We can't argue with that.
	Seems simple enough.
	Because one country is corrupt means that what's happening to Trump is the same thing.
	It's not like there's tons of records showing that Trump has done this fraud.
	Sure, due process.
	You know, he's been found civilly liable for rape.
	Oh yeah, there is that.
	Or the fact that there's all this crazy evidence about him calling Georgia and just trying to find some more votes.
	I think I cut the clip of Gerald saying that they extended the statute of limitations with the Gene Carroll case.
	So that's totally unfair.
	Super unfair, dude.
	It's not that he is civilly liable for rape.
	It's just that it was beyond the statute of limitations.
	They let her get it in, dude.
	That's not fair, man.
	Rules is rules, boys.
	Technically, it's not.
	You guys aren't fun.
	I'm taking my ball and going home.
	Now, compare that to Donald Trump.
	He's being prosecuted for what?
	The Mar-a-Lago documents.
	BS.
	And the only reason that Joe Biden is not being charged for something similar is because he's unfit.
	Like, we can't charge him.
	He has no idea.
	He's a well-meaning old man who doesn't know where his slippers are.
	But he could be president.
	But he could be president, yeah.
	Yeah, he can launch nukes, but he can't be trusted with his slippers or making it to the bathroom on time.
	Yeah, one of the other charges, the Fulton County election interference, the New York hush money case, you know, and then you have this loan fraud.
	That's not a fraud at all.
	Yeah, it's just like how they got to Al Capone on tax evasion.
	I know.
	To be fair, I'm not saying Al Capone didn't deserve to be caught.
	What I'm saying is that they caught him on tax evasion.
	They'll just make something up.
	In Donald Trump's case, I don't know that you could go through anyone's background with a fine-tooth comb And not find something worse than a bank being happy that you paid the loan back with interest.
	Hey Steve, it's your producer.
	Cut the whole Al Capone thing.
	It kind of implies that, you know, Trump is guilty.
	Yeah.
	And also, they still got him for tax evasion.
	Yeah, they did.
	It wasn't like he didn't do the tax evasion.
	Exactly.
	What you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?
	But also, just to really quickly talk about the difference in the cases between Biden- With the documents.
	With the documents.
	Yeah.
	Taking them home.
	Hey, we're investigating cooperating, right?
	Yeah.
	And then Donald Trump actively trying to hide these from investigators.
	Saying, I won't give them to you.
	Yes.
	And then when the agreement is made to give them up, not give them all of the documents?
	Totally.
	I mean, if we just look at the things that are equal, right?
	Both have documents.
	Check, check.
	Yeah.
	Both old men who mean well.
	Meh.
	Who mean things?
	Check, check.
	We have to pay attention to the difference.
	We have to.
	The nuance.
	Yeah.
	Yes, we have to.
	The fraud trial, he's found to be guilty of this.
	I mean, he... They're just like determining the level at which they're gonna actually be punished.
	Oh, we're gonna get in really deep to that.
	Yeah, it's... someone's not being honest here.
	Well, and remember, this is a story about Alexei Navalny.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	That is the comparison.
	It really is Trump and Navalny.
	Navalny would not come over here and be really anybody's friend.
	He's a Russian nationalist.
	He does some things that we don't like.
	He didn't distance himself enough from extremists, Nazis, and stuff like that, and fascists.
	I get it.
	I understand all of that.
	But what he did is exposed corruption in his country, and he fought to try and change it, and they tried to kill him for it.
	They trumped up charges, which Putin has done time and time and time again.
	By the way, this is the same country that, if you're successful, will just seize your assets and your business and say, hey, that's a really great thing you just built for me, Gazprom, and I'm going to give it to some of my cronies over here.
	And by the way, you're lucky if I let you leave the country.
	Right.
	And they've done that over and over and over and over again and then they try to kill this guy.
	Look at this guy and look at Donald Trump.
	The only thing they haven't done in the comparison yet is try to poison Donald Trump.
	I think it shows how highly they think of what he's doing for the country, which is scary.
	Because they clearly think he's a hero to the country.
	He's a hero to the cause.
	Sure.
	But with Alexi, it's more of the idea and less of the man, right?
	As he is dead at this point.
	Which is, I think, fine, but then that goes pretty much against the whole thing with Trump.
	I mean, Trump, he makes it out of this and he gets elected or something like that.
	That'll likely happen.
	Yeah, I mean, there's apparently a good chance of it happening.
	But, you know, it just... I don't know.
	He's doing a big stretch here.
	It's the same thing that my dog does, you know, when she's doing... wants to go on a walk.
	Does a big stretch first.
	Noice.
	Noice.
	Okay, this is a good example.
	Navalny exposed corruption in his own country.
	Yeah.
	Okay?
	Punished for it, obviously.
	In this country, you are punished for it.
	January 6th, you expose some problems.
	Corruption, let's say in the American election system, you're punished for it.
	We expose corruption, for example, with the Nashville Mayor, the Nashville Manifesto, the undercover unit here.
	Guess what?
	They say, oh, we're going to get the FBI.
	We are going to prosecute.
	And they do the exact same thing.
	It's the same playbook.
	And I use this as an example because this also happened with Chippewa Falls and it happened with the Nashville Manifesto.
	They came out and said, this is not true.
	This is not the manifesto.
	It's not authentic.
	Then they say, okay, it's authentic, but they shouldn't have done this.
	They're wrong.
	I say, oh, you know what, actually, okay, they had the right to do this, but we're going to find out who the source is and punish them.
	And they're not able to do that because they're incompetent.
	That's what happens here.
	It largely happens exclusively toward people of one side of the political aisle.
	Find me the equivalent of January 6ers.
	I wonder how Steven can make this about himself?
	Yeah, right? He's like, you know what? I'm like Trump and Trump and I are both like Navalny.
	Nailed it.
	To imply that January 6th was just trying to root out the corruption, it wasn't. It's been
	found by juries all across the country that there wasn't this fraud that they were worried about.
	You can't make these causes equivalent.
	No.
	Just because they're both people claiming to be anti-corruption doesn't mean that they're anti-corruption.
	Yeah, because I would say in general that if you say the US is corrupt I think people would agree with that less often you would say is Russia a corrupt country.
	I don't think Russians would think feel that way but yeah I don't know it's just it's for one
	when you're fighting corruption you're always gonna feel like when you're
	fighting something you're always gonna feel like the other side is corrupt right
	there the unless you're a liar of course yeah I think what I see most about this is I
	don't know how anybody can look at Trump and think he's being honest about
	anything that's the part that really blows my mind
	I can't understand that either.
	That has been my struggle kind of since this whole thing happened, to see the perspective of the other side with the amount of evidence that is put in front of them.
	Totally.
	If somebody comes to me and says... It's fake.
	It's wrong.
	It's lying.
	Well, if somebody comes to me and says, hey, listen, I disagree with your stance on universal health care because I'm worried about taxes.
	Sure.
	We can have a conversation about that.
	But if someone comes and says, hey listen, universal health care is bad because the insurance companies are good for our country.
	They're lying to me.
	That would be a great example.
	But there's a difference between a debate about issues and just a guy who's just a con man.
	Blindly believing in what that con man says.
	Totally, yeah.
	And I don't blindly believe everything that Biden says to me.
	Well, everything I disagree with is fake and a lie.
	Well, that's what people are being told.
	Yeah.
	And I just, I can't.
	It's horrifying.
	It's a nightmare.
	In no way have I ever thought that Trump was being honest with me about anything.
	Well, I like his stance on tasty snacks.
	Fish delights.
	He seems to enjoy fun things, you know.
	He's always like at SneakerCon or the UFC, like a dumb fun guy to maybe be around.
	I don't know.
	That's a stretch.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think that he would kind of forget that you were around him if you were... Which could be good.
	Yeah, it'd be fine.
	You're just kind of like being ushered around next to him and you'd be like, who are you?
	You know, all day long.
	I guess I'm saying having an extreme position on him as being a 100% liar is probably not a reasonable stance.
	I don't think that he lies about everything, but I think that he doesn't care about the people who care about him.
	Probably not.
	He reminds me of a guy who I used to work with who would lie about stupid stuff like how much he could bench.
	Well, that's important.
	Hard men creep.
	Soft lumber.
	I just don't trust him enough to believe that he's saying it.
	And it's shocking that people do believe it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how you can be like, he literally has a gold toilet and then you can be like a blue collar worker.
	And I literally have those gold sneaks.
	Yeah.
	399 poorer over here.
	Nice.
	They only had him in 14, but I got him.
	I just don't see it.
	I just don't see it at all, and that's the hardest part for me, is I just don't see the connection.
	I know.
	That's the entire point of trying to get these cases going quickly.
	Right.
	The defendant has a right to a speedy trial.
	The government does not have a right to a speedy trial, and yet Jack Smith and everybody else is saying, now, now, now, now, now, we have to do this now.
	Right.
	Before this guy gets in office.
	Urgency.
	It's election interference right in front of our eyes.
	Why would they be so aggressively pursuing these charges?
	Why would it be so urgent, you know, just between like when he left office and when he might be in office again?
	Yeah, because there's a wall we're approaching.
	And there's a risk of him doing what?
	Pardoning himself?
	The pardon king that they were talking about earlier?
	Imagine this.
	Imagine you're running for president.
	Yeah.
	And you're at risk of being convicted of serious crimes.
	Yes.
	Three months before the election, you're completely exonerated.
	Imagine how hard you could ride that wave to success for your election.
	If you aren't guilty, go for it.
	Yeah, wouldn't you want it to be done if you weren't guilty?
	You would think.
	I would want it done quick.
	That's the reason that the defendants have the right to that speedy trial.
	It's so that they can get it over with and get on with their life.
	It's just a dumb question that Gerald's asking, though.
	Of course we want to get this done before he could self-pardon himself.
	The longer this goes on, the worse it is for Trump.
	It doesn't get better if it's longer.
	And of course, I do know it's only the federal charges he could pardon himself, but... Well, I just think that was a dumb comment, Gerald.
	We know why.
	And what's tomorrow?
	Monday?
	No.
	Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday...
	Friday, New York judge ruled that Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, would have to pay $355 million for manipulating his net worth.
	A New York judge just ruled in the civil fraud case that Trump is liable of falsifying business records, conspiracy, and issuing false financial statements, among other claims.
	Now, Trump and the Trump Organization is now expected to repay more than $354 million.
	New York Attorney General Letitia James had accused the former president and his organization of overstating his net worth in order to win favorable terms on loans.
	Okay, first off, she looks like Halle Berry in the Flintstones, which, by the way, we're talking about good cartoons.
	When I was a kid, Halle Berry in Flintstones?
	Yes.
	That worked.
	Yeah.
	Speaking of good cartoons, what?
	This is a live action.
	This is a live action.
	Yeah.
	Close enough, whatever.
	I guess.
	Jasmine, Esmeralda, Halle Berry, Wilma Flintstone.
	Oh yeah, daddy-o's.
	Let's keep talking about it.
	Gerald, who are you into?
	And he's like, I'm into the Catwoman from Masters of the Universe.
	Gerald.
	You dog, you.
	What did Donald Trump do, though?
	I don't know.
	A crime?
	Donald Trump committed a crime.
	Yes.
	When he gave the bank his opinion on the value of his properties.
	He did exactly what anyone would do.
	Let me, let me, and I'm going to bring up the Mar-a-Lago information just so you can see this.
	This is what you have done.
	You pay property taxes.
	Okay.
	Right now we're talking about taxes.
	Do you try and reduce your property taxes?
	Yes?
	How do you do that?
	By trying to reduce the perceived value of your property.
	That's what you probably do.
	That's what everybody does.
	Now when you try and sell that house, Will you try and increase the value of the property?
	So will you try and pay the lowest amount of taxes on your property?
	Try and basically not put your best foot forward.
	What's the opposite?
	Put your worst foot back.
	And then, when you're trying to sell it, put your best foot forward.
	That's what everybody does in real estate with your property.
	That's what Donald Trump did.
	I committed this crime three months ago.
	Yeah.
	Welcome to Texas, Josh.
	Yeah.
	I hope that it was a lie.
	Of course, everyone lies about the value of their property.
	Everybody does.
	Everyone takes advantage of this system.
	Yes.
	I'm not so sure.
	People definitely do not lie commonly.
	No.
	Like this.
	It seems like the rules are in place for a reason.
	And the idea that you want to pay less in taxes doesn't mean that you do that through lying about what things are worth.
	No, it's changing the rules.
	And when it comes to these things, the values are important when it comes to loans because the bank uses the properties to secure the loans.
	To determine If you were to fail at returning the money.
	So if it's like, oh, hey, listen, you said this was worth a million dollars.
	Great.
	Here's a million dollar loan for it.
	Oh, now we need to collect our money.
	Wait, we can only sell this for $500,000?
	What?
	You... What is that called?
	It starts with an F. Committed fraud.
	Oh, crap.
	Yeah, but much like the research they did with the whole Hero One, what is it?
	Hero 121?
	121 situation.
	They implement some serious tools in this discussion.
	Of course, yeah.
	Mainly Zillow.
	Nice, Zillow's good.
	Let's bring up the comps here.
	Let me know when you have them.
	The comps of other homes right there in that area of Palm Beach, okay?
	This is what right now?
	That's one for, I think, $53 million.
	Hold on, this is a sale.
	This isn't just a listing.
	This is what somebody actually was willing to pay.
	How many acres?
	It's five bedrooms, 7,000 square feet, oceanfront and beach.
	Where's the acreage here?
	Because that's a big... Because Mar-a-Lago, I believe, is 62,000 square feet, Mar-a-Lago.
	Yes, 62,000.
	I believe that it's 30-something acres.
	It's either 15 acres or 35 acres, Mar-a-Lago.
	17 acres.
	It's 17 acres and it's a profit-generating property.
	Two coastlines.
	Double beachfront property.
	It is double beachfront.
	Bring up another comp.
	Here's another one.
	Or is that Mar-a-Lago?
	Okay, zoom in a little bit.
	116 million dollars for 8 bedrooms, 12 baths, 24,000 square feet.
	Still not even at Mar-a-Lago.
	What happens if he sells?
	I'm sorry, I'll ask later.
	I'll ask later.
	What they're trying to say is, yeah, but hold on a second.
	There's an easement that exists, and I don't want to get too nerdy on this, where he can't sell it to a single unit home.
	It can also be sold and broken up, for example, into a subdivision.
	Okay, so get off your computer.
	We could actually talk about the facts of the case.
	And this is just surface level here.
	Apparently, a Palm Beach County assessor appraised Mar-a-Largo's market value to be between $18 and $27.6 million.
	Okay.
	That's what an appraiser did.
	Is that their job?
	Job, yes.
	That's what they do for a living.
	I thought Steven might be an appraiser.
	And then, you know what Trump did?
	He put it down as, what is this?
	$426.5 million, ranging between that and $612.1 million.
	Okay, so close.
	Well, kind of.
	It's an over-evaluation, they call it, of about 2,300%.
	Okay, is that a lot?
	It's a lot.
	Okay.
	Not a lot of people make those kinds of mistakes.
	Whoopsies.
	And like you mentioned, the overvaluation was to acquire a larger loan.
	Did they consider that, like, he lived there?
	I don't know the details of that.
	I mean, that's a lot of value.
	Well, him just being... Well, see, that's the other thing that they refuse to acknowledge, which is just easy.
	There's a huge difference between appraisal value and market value.
	They're completely separate.
	Of course.
	One is the value of the land and the property That's the same thing. The house, all of the other features
	that are...
	It's got his skin flakes in it.
	Well, that's where we lean into market value territory.
	The influence of him and the outside elements on the price of the property.
	But I mean, I think that there's a small difference between Zillow in 2024 and actual records of a person.
	Which is true, yeah, my house is worth quite a bit according to Zillow.
	I don't know, I could probably get more, I could probably get less, but that's what the market value is.
	And my appraisal is probably far less than that because there's a difference.
	Yes, there's a huge difference.
	And so he, what did he do with his big loan he got?
	Oh, well, he used about $170 million of the $375 million that he got with this loan to pay off a loan on another property.
	So he used the loan, he got a loan.
	He paid off a credit card with a credit card.
	And he used it to pay off another, okay.
	Well, he also gave some money to his kids.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's really nice.
	It is really, really nice.
	This is just a waste of time going on Zillow and saying that these properties are worth much more, which they are because they are surrounding Donald Trump's property.
	And he was once the president of the United States.
	The market value goes up.
	Yep.
	This is really not that hard.
	It is if you're trying to be, like, intentionally obtuse about it.
	Here's what I'm going to do, guys.
	I'm going to call the bank and say, hey, give me a HELOC.
	My house is worth $2 million.
	OK.
	They're going to give me $2 million.
	No question.
	It's fine.
	$2 million, thanks.
	Give it to your kids.
	And you know what I'm going to do?
	Pay off my house.
	Yes.
	Right away with it.
	That's a great idea.
	Free real estate.
	It's free money, dude.
	Wow, it's a hack.
	You know that guy with the question marks, the money sign suit?
	Yeah, Matthew Lesko.
	He hooked me up.
	I don't think he'd give you that advice.
	I met him one time.
	Did you?
	Yeah, he's a good guy.
	So to be clear, he wasn't getting a loan.
	This isn't the loan on that property.
	He was using that property to say, hey, I have all these assets.
	Of course, I'm qualified for this loan.
	You guys should give it to me.
	And it's so strange that in this particular case, that you don't have to have a victim under the law that she was using to charge Donald Trump, that he broke, saying you don't have to actually have a victim.
	Well, that seems to be the whole point, right?
	Right.
	If Donald Trump did something wrong, the banks would probably be the people, the aggrieved party coming in and saying, hey, we were duped.
	We were duped.
	Great points.
	The potential of- There doesn't need to be directed damages for a crime to occur.
	No, there just needs to be potential.
	To be clear, we are not lawyers.
	No, of course not.
	We are not, but- I'm in my third year.
	Ooh, nice.
	Stephen and his crew are definitely not lawyers.
	That's obvious.
	And they're speaking on a case that was tried.
	It wasn't like it was just- Biden was like, Hey, give him a fine!
	I don't know, actually.
	Biden does sound a lot like the 1960s Penguin from the Batman franchise.
	Yeah, he definitely does, for sure.
	I don't know. Whatever.
	They are really, really hoping that their audience is dumb.
	Well, what's crazy is these news reports come out, and journalists will report on the news coming out
	and then talk about what's to come as a result.
	But they just fight them so hard.
	So this trial came out, but here's why it's a bunch of bullshit.
	You're talking about like Fox News Newsmax?
	No, I'm saying in general.
	If you hear a journalist say, hey, Trump was found civilly liable for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Here's our next steps, right?
	And they're just, they're not doing this at all.
	I mean, obviously they're trying to, he's a comedian.
	This is really funny content so far.
	I've heard penal like 10 times.
	Objectively funny.
	Yeah.
	Value is not objective.
	Like, you can't just look at it and go, yes, it's worth that, because it changes over time.
	It matters what's on the property.
	It matters how much it can generate.
	The easement thing that you brought up is an important factor in that as well, but it's... Apparently it matters who owns the property, too.
	Right.
	It's not.
	For market value.
	Again.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	For market value.
	It's just funny.
	Again, this is... It's all settled, guys.
	It's settled.
	It's done.
	It's over.
	Well, they are appealing it.
	Of course they're appealing it.
	And this is one of those things, I'm sorry, the virtue signaling that you'll see the never-Trumpers like, well if you don't like it, don't commit fraud.
	Yeah, let me go through your taxes for the last 25 years.
	Don't go through mine, please.
	You want to go through Congress?
	The Senate's taxes?
	You want to go through their taxes for crying out loud?
	Yes.
	You don't try and reduce your tax burden?
	You absolutely should.
	Any trick that's available to you, please do.
	Legal.
	Break it off at Uncle Sam at this point.
	I'm glad Gerald clarified.
	Yeah, sure, you can use legal tricks.
	Those aren't tricks.
	That's totally fine.
	That's like using the special moves in Street Fighter.
	Well, I mean, if you use them too much, I might get pissed.
	But also, I mean, I don't love tax loopholes, and especially people who take advantage of them.
	Of course not.
	But Trump didn't use a tax loophole.
	No.
	He committed a crime.
	I'm sure that he did at some point, but He also did crimes.
	Yeah, I mean he's bragged on the campaign trail about tax loopholes.
	And what's crazy to me is they act like us wanting to see all the tax returns.
	Dude, I'm fine with that.
	Yeah, I'm fine with that too.
	And honestly, I'm not afraid of people looking at my tax.
	No!
	I mean, I might be afraid of it, but not because it's- It would be weird.
	I would be uncomfortable because I'm an anxious guy, but not because I'm hiding anything, but because I feel like I made a whoopsie down the line or something.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it's always like, you know, like you file them and you're like, oh crap, did I forget to claim my, you know, XYZ?
	It's definitely, it's a weird feeling.
	And of course, taxes give me so much anxiety.
	Of course.
	They stress me out so hard.
	But I'm not actively trying to hide things.
	And for him to imply that most people are criminals- Most are.
	Committing fraud.
	Yeah, it's all tax evasion.
	Wow.
	You know.
	Shocking.
	And again, everyone agrees that if someone is on Congress that we should be able to see the tax returns, see where the money is coming.
	Yeah.
	The only president who ever had a problem with showing tax returns was Trump!
	Donald Trump, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's fine though, I mean... Do you have like a limerick or something, Jared?
	Something to make us laugh on this one?
	Fuck, man.
	I'll give you a second.
	I think this is treason.
	I mean, these people, these judges, they are trying to interfere in an election at this point.
	I believe it's treason.
	It's worse than January 6th.
	Yes.
	A couple years ago.
	They are trying to disqualify someone who they believe, according to CNN, we ran that clip, they believe that if Donald Trump is allowed to run, he will be I think we've said all of the same things.
	burping. Just throwing up and sipping on some root beer dude. I don't know. I felt like I was gonna cry there. Yeah.
	I think we've said all the same things like we're concerned that he is going to pardon himself. There once
	was a man from Plano nice whose opinions were so bad I wish that he would drink
	Drano. Alright.
	You didn't go with Lamo?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's late.
	Not bad.
	Not bad.
	I tried.
	It's 1.05 in the morning.
	I'm dying.
	The problem with this approach that Steven has is it's treason.
	It's treason, right?
	But if you, in your mind, believe your person is completely impossible, they would never ever do crime.
	Ever.
	Even with evidence.
	Yeah, even with evidence.
	Never ever do crime!
	Then, you are not going to be an unbiased party in reviewing this.
	If somebody came out and said, hey, it turns out that Biden overvalued his Delaware property, he committed fraud, I would say, well, shit, let's see how that shakes out.
	I mean, we could go back to Ilhan Omar and her tax issues that she addressed.
	That was great.
	The resolution happened, there was an acceptance of an error and an adjustment, and it was done.
	And the fact that she had to do that was treason.
	Wait, what?
	Treason.
	Okay.
	I didn't expect this to happen twice in one episode, but here's another edition of Josh doesn't get it.
	Can I ask you a question?
	I might understand fully and maybe somebody else doesn't watching.
	What's taxes?
	Why does New York get that money?
	Why does the state of New York get that money?
	Because his business is, you know, based in New York and for the longest time he lived in New York.
	Oh, okay.
	That's his primary residence.
	Okay.
	That was the biggest thing that was confusing me.
	I was like, if this is the thing in Florida and it's a thing with the banks, why does this New York state get $355 million out of nowhere?
	Well, they're saying, yeah, they're saying all this, the crimes happen here.
	And by the way, I just need to correct us.
	It's not 350 million.
	They're then charging him interest of about a hundred million dollars.
	It's almost $500 million.
	What's the point?
	Like, what are we doing here?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm just following the walk.
	Yeah.
	He's doing a little bit of judging.
	I love Josh doesn't understand at all what's going on.
	No, no.
	So Mar-a-Lago's in Florida.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Are you saying there's a water property there?
	Sounds kind of nice.
	It is double waterfront, which is kind of nice.
	Two-sided waterfront property.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	On both sides, because it's like on the Keys or some bullshit, right?
	I don't know where Mar-a-Lago is.
	I have no idea, but... You could tell me that any mansion here was Mar-a-Lago and I'd buy it.
	I would purchase it.
	I would tell the bank.
	I get when somebody breaks the law and I understand that there's kind of what there's latitude on bringing charges for certain things right and you want them prosecutors to have discretion I got it but in this case it's so obvious all of these charges came now all of them came now and they all seem thin at best and in most cases seem completely bogus Like, are you trying to destroy the American system that we love?
	Like, I understand it's flawed, but you can fix it, but are you trying to make it to where people go, it doesn't matter anymore?
	Now I can't even trust the courts.
	I knew I couldn't trust the CDC.
	I knew I couldn't trust the health establishment, or anybody in media, or anybody in big tech, or really anybody in Congress, and now anybody in the White House.
	I can't even trust the courts at this point, because even the one that I'm supposed to trust The Supreme Court, above all other courts, you guys just say if it doesn't give you the verdict that you want that you'll just put more people on there that will give you the verdict that you want.
	What am I supposed to believe in at this point?
	What is left?
	I don't understand where to go from here.
	You're trying to kill this nation.
	The only thing left to trust is the man with the gold toilet.
	Gerald took the black pill.
	They're killing us.
	They're killing us, Steve!
	That was like such an amazing unhinged rant.
	It's really good.
	I can't trust the CDC?
	I can't trust the NAACP?
	I can't trust the NCAA?
	No, scores are rigged.
	This is, I mean, where did the trust go?
	Is he staring directly into a mirror?
	Are they that delusional that they don't understand every bit of erosion?
	I'm not going to say every bit of erosion.
	I think the Democratic Party has done some things, and even the FBICA, the three other organizations, have done things to shake the trust of people.
	And even the way that Anthony Fauci approached some things in the middle of the pandemic were questionable.
	However, me, a left-leaning guy, can understand and say those things out loud without losing faith in the institutions.
	Whole country, dude.
	What?
	The thing is, they've fallen into that trap.
	You know, because who says the nation is falling apart?
	Donald Trump.
	Trump does, exactly.
	Yes.
	It's very easy to say, hey, listen, this country's falling apart, and soon they're going to try me for bogus stuff.
	Of course.
	And then it happens.
	Yes.
	And then you can either say, well, it sounds like he finally got busted, or you can say, wow, he predicted that.
	Yeah, people are going to tell me that I killed 10 people and they're in the crawlspace below me.
	Says the man who just murdered 10 people and doesn't want anyone to find out about it.
	Except for from him.
	Exactly.
	And turns out they planted all these bodies.
	They're going to say I robbed this bank, says man holding bag of money.
	Exactly.
	They want to say all this stuff, but they're not asking like the real questions, you know?
	What would you do if your son was at home?
	Crying all alone on the bedroom floor because he's hungry.
	And the only way to feed him is to sleep with the man for a little bit of money.
	They're not answering these questions.
	And his daddy's gone somewhere smoking.
	Rock now.
	They're not they're not talking about this.
	He's in and out of lockdown.
	He ain't got a job now.
	They're not saying anything about they're not asking these questions.
	So for you, this is just a good time, right?
	But this for me, and for a lot of us, this is what we call life.
	What is that from?
	It's an old early 2000s... Who is that, Jared?
	City High.
	What would you do?
	I've never heard of that before.
	Oh, you have.
	Yeah, you have.
	He goes... What would you do if your son was at home?
	Crying all alone on the bedroom floor.
	Cause he's hungry.
	And the only way to feed him is to sleep with a man with a little bit of money in his daddy's gun.
	I still don't know this, you guys.
	In and out of lockdown.
	City High.
	Deep cut.
	What a performance.
	Well, uh, speaking of performance, we got one clip left, boys.
	Ooh, perform it for me.
	I think we did a pretty good job.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Didn't.
	Did a good job at missing the point.
	Yeah, bad job.
	We just listened to this fucking episode and they're gonna pat themselves on the back?
	Not good work.
	Bad episode.
	That's about all I can handle this week.
	And if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	Dennis, you just got a notification on your phone?
	Yeah, I just got approved for a four million dollar loan.
	Wow, how'd you do that?
	It's easy, dude.
	They said, how much do you make?
	And I said, four million.
	Damn, that must be one of the things you learned tonight.
	It's crazy.
	You could put any number in there.
	What else did we learn?
	Well, we learned that apparently the nation is falling apart.
	It's a nation in decline.
	It's a nation in decline.
	They're trying to kill us.
	Trump is Navalny and so is Stephen.
	Of course.
	Of course, we're all Nafalni, unless you're a liberal.
	We're all just a couple of moments away from just getting wok poisoned at our penal colony.
	Damn.
	And what's your penal colony?
	You know, mine is early 2000s R&B, and I'm stuck there all the time.
	My Penal Colony is that one birthday where they had to shut down the pool because a kid crapped in it.
	That happened to you?
	Yep.
	And I just was stuck sitting on the side forever wanting to get in but I can't.
	I just turned 12!
	I hate this kid!
	My Penal Colony is this show.
	We didn't learn anything today, honestly.
	I'll tell you what, the Medgar Evers stuff was like...
	That was really nice.
	That is some stuff I didn't know much about.
	Good info for sure.
	Pick up that book.
	Joanne Reed, you got a book, and it's probably good.
	I don't know that I'll read it, but maybe I'll listen to it.
	My hands are always busy, and I'm constantly cutting them up at work right now.
	It's not... I'm having a rough time about it.
	I'm really sorry about that.
	Well, take it easy.
	Get some rest.
	For folks at home, do a little bit of lifting.
	Rate and review us on iTunes and Spotify.
	That would be really nice.
	I love those.
	We got a couple reviews recently.
	I'd like to shout some folks out.
	This is from Rivnar.
	Says, sucks worse than Louder with Grouter itself.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for letting me know about Dave's podcast.
	Who's Dave?
	Dave Lando.
	Ahoy, guy.
	Ahoy.
	You're welcome.
	You're welcome, man.
	If you need any more advice, just let me know.
	A Hand of Yawgmoth, five stars actually, lets laugh at Crowder.
	This series looks at Steven Crowder and exposes some of the ways he's an idiot and a fool.
	I love that they end each episode by saying that's all they can stand.
	Awesome group dynamic.
	I would listen to you guys talk about pretty much anything.
	Great.
	Very nice.
	Not the only place you can find us, so just, you know, dig around.
	Thank you so much for listening.
	It really does mean a lot to us.
	It means so much to me that I'm willing to overvalue how much it means to me.
	Don't quit overvaluing the audience's affection.
	Turns out that that could be me.
	Somewhat detrimental.
	Yeah, it's kind of illegal.
	Dennis, I hope you feel better.
	Sorry for the sickness I passed you by being an inconsiderate patient of COVID-19 last week.
	I love this bit.
	I don't- didn't have COVID-19.
	Typhoid Gerald over there is handing him out.
	I would never do that.
	I just got a common cold.
	All right.
	Well, I think it's time for us to say we have over a hundred folks following us on X. So it's time for us to post Jared's lovely dog.
	Was that a deal we made?
	Yeah, we made that deal early on.
	A long overdue.
	So, you know, follow us on X at Than Crowder.
	You can email us louder than crowder at gmail.com.
	We got some websites coming soon.
	But yeah, until next time.
	For Jared.
	Ayo.
	And Dennis.
	Jessica Alba was on Alex Mack, you know?
	I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWole original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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