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Jan. 25, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 19: #CLEARILLUSION OR #NEATCHARADE (JANUARY 11TH, 2024)

Definitely no strategy here as we discuss Mug Club hiatus content, and an initiative advertise & alienate under the guises of a looming algorithmic techno apocalypse that isn’t actually happening.Get yourselves and your family in an AI bunker, folks. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	No flesh is gonna be saved.
	🎵Outro Music🎵 Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	I'm joined this morning by Jared.
	Hey.
	And look what the cat drug in.
	Dennis is here.
	Mr. Worldwide himself.
	Mr. Worldwide, that's right.
	You hear that quote of him recently?
	Life is not a waste of time and time is not a waste of life.
	So let's not waste time, get wasted and have the time of our life.
	That sounds like a Mr. Worldwide quote.
	I wrote that in somebody's yearbook in eighth grade.
	Yeah, mine ended with, let's hit the bong and let's get high.
	Hell yeah.
	Uh, how you been?
	Ups and downs.
	Rollercoaster week.
	Sure.
	But I'm here.
	All of my pipes are now secure.
	You figuring out what the fuck Zuckerberg's up to?
	What's Zuck up to?
	Well, weird that you are underneath his, uh, his island.
	With the dolphins.
	In the tunnels.
	That's what we thought you were up to.
	That you were riding on the backs of.
	Yeah, yeah, no, um, I definitely, we started off by doing one of those full face sunscreens together.
	Oh, cool.
	There's UV lights down there.
	Great.
	Did you do any, um, gooch sunning?
	Yeah, me and Tucker got together and we did some.
	The perennium.
	Perennium tan.
	I want to say perennial, and I was like, I think that's a flower.
	Yeah, that's a type of flower.
	That's also a very special flower too, Dennis.
	It was a special flower.
	Happy to have you back.
	Thanks.
	Yeah.
	Nice to be here with ya.
	Folks, boys, the Crowder drought is over.
	Kind of.
	Finally.
	Last week, Steven dropped a tweet at S. Crowder.
	Screw it.
	I have a lot to say tomorrow.
	10 a.m.
	Eastern.
	Rumble you do enough is enough in a little bit. I'll tell you and mug club. You know what screw it
	I'm doing it. He completed the tweet with hashtag Clean slate nice a little click, baby
	Was this an announcement of a new mug club roster was the Oh boy guy coming back?
	I hope a whole guy's back for sure. It seems like he's actually doing pretty well with his blaze show good good
	Yeah, he's doing well more loosely veiled threats aimed at his soon-to-be ex-wife
	Maybe. Instead, we got this.
	I know this is not a normal show.
	We kind of just decided to drop this.
	Let me sort of set the stage here.
	Hashtag clean slate.
	Let me be very clear for a second, okay?
	I want there to be no questions.
	Clean slate.
	Just something that came together sporadically, loosely planned, right?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Definitely seems like that.
	Yeah, it feels very random.
	Seems like he just like turned on his front-facing camera and started ranting.
	Of course.
	No, this was a full production.
	Oh, okay.
	The whole gang was there, huh?
	Yeah.
	This hashtag clean slate thing has been burdensome.
	It's been in the back of his mind throughout the holidays.
	It's something that I'd mentioned before we went on Christmas break, and it's something that's been kind of heavy on my heart from, really from your feedback.
	A lot of people actually.
	So he said he mentioned this clean slate thing on one of the final episodes of the year.
	So I tracked it down.
	Yeah, he did.
	Okay.
	It was at the tail end of his December 20th episode and let me know if you think this is offhand or is it scripted?
	You know, we're talking about this here where everyone just might want to hit a clean slate policy in this new year.
	Delete everything on our social media.
	All of our old stuff.
	By the way, they do that at the New York Times.
	They do it at the Washington Post because they want to.
	They don't want to be liable.
	They don't want culpability.
	But do it so that everyone can start using social media to serve us and not serving this algorithm non-human brain.
	I think that a lot of people feel like they are caught in a system and don't know how to get out of it because it's necessary for employment.
	I think if a Enough people just go, all right, clear it.
	We're going to use these tools as they were meant to serve us.
	It's just a thought, because I'm scared for where we're going.
	Well, that's right.
	Well, that's right.
	Talking about all of this, this new war against non-human brains.
	Yeah, is this like a weird, like, uprising against the AI algorithm?
	I feel like Alex Jones is like the last person you would want to have this conversation with.
	Do they think We'll talk about that.
	We'll certainly talk about that.
	Never knew it will certainly talk about rhythm didn't eat it already
	But Alex like you know he just returned Feverishly tweeting on X almost 30 times in the last 24
	hours as we record this oh my god Oh, yeah
	Do you think he's the guy to be having this clean slate conversation with or this anti-ai?
	Thing when he's basically that I was you know that we all know is that when Alex Jones closes his eyes
	He just sees that scene of Linda Hamilton grabbing the fence or Terminator 2 and then the entire city just blowing
	apart in front of her And, uh, yeah, I think I'm on board with that, Byron.
	He's probably not the guy to talk to about this.
	No.
	First part of this clip where he mentions justifying this clean slate and referencing the media.
	We're going to talk about that in a little bit, but yeah.
	Interrupted by Alex, it goes off the rails briefly, but then they come back to this thought.
	We do have some decisions that we all have to make.
	Really concentrate on what it is that you want out of this next year.
	Not, I just want to lose some weight, but how do you want your life to look?
	I can't tell you how many people I speak with who feel like they are caught in a rat race and a huge component of it is the chronic stressors of social media and the algorithms.
	That's not the kind of life you have to live.
	If you don't look at it, it just disappears.
	So we started the show.
	Oh, there you are.
	Did you hear Alex Jones talk about you, Joe Louis?
	It just walks around for pets and leaves.
	I think he heard Alex Jones' voice and he said, I'm going to come in.
	He's not here.
	Josh, look at my butt.
	So they do get distracted by Steven's dog, Joe Louis, entering the set.
	His dog's name is Joe Louis.
	Joe Louis, yeah.
	Definitely does elevate the show like five, six times.
	It's nice to see a puppy walk in.
	He's not a puppy.
	He's an old man dog too, right?
	Doesn't he have like a glandular problem?
	I'm actually unaware of the health status of Joe Lewis named after the famous boxer.
	Okay.
	I guess he has multiple dogs though.
	One died recently.
	What kind of dog was that one that died?
	I don't remember.
	Did he name all of his dogs just after famous?
	Betty was the name of Stephen's other dog.
	Betty?
	Yeah.
	The algorithm is so stressful.
	It is stressful.
	And if you don't look at it, it doesn't affect your whole life.
	I don't have to look at it?
	You don't have to look at it.
	And believe it or not, if you don't check your Instagram, no one in your entire life will experience Instagram.
	Interesting.
	Weird.
	So I understand that there is a pressure for teens to keep up.
	I mean, we could certainly talk about that.
	And if Steven's target audience is that, I hope there's no teens listening to Steven Crowder.
	There's probably a couple really cool kids that do listen to this.
	There's some speech and debate jerk try-hards.
	But this is Steven Crowder, a man in his late 30s.
	He is one day older than I am.
	Talking about social media?
	Twitter and Instagram?
	I mean social media impacts people, but it's just it's it's dumb to act like it's like a Core pillar of your life.
	I mean it is a pillar of his business though, and that's something to consider.
	Like almost the strongest pillar of his business.
	The stress though, it has this very Aren't you just so stressed out?
	Wouldn't it be nice if Steven could take care of you?
	Kind of vibe to it?
	Yeah, interesting.
	Hashtag Data Kings.
	What is the real reason for this 20 minute densely scripted casual pop-in?
	And I'll get to the schedule in a second.
	You know, the show is coming back on the 22nd, the Daily Show, and next week, Monday, we have a Black and White and the Gray Issues and an Apologetics episode with Alex Jones.
	A lot of stuff happening here in the next week, but that's not really what I want to talk about right now.
	Yeah, I mean, I get why he wouldn't want to talk about all that.
	It's throwaway content.
	But yeah, let's talk about those things.
	I don't know if we've mentioned black and white on the gray issues yet.
	No.
	It may have come up like from him, but that's primarily it.
	It's not the first time Steven has done one of these.
	What is black and white on the gray issues?
	I think... Well, I'll just let him explain.
	The chasm between white and black Americans is growing wider with each passing day.
	Our views, culture, general outlook on life are so different that even living in the same community, sharing the same space, is something that's almost unfeasible.
	At least, that's what you'd believe.
	If you're an avid consumer of legacy media.
	Trust should not be doled out easily to anyone, especially white people.
	Here's the thing I've noticed, and you can comment if this is the same for you.
	It doesn't match up at all with my lived experiences, and that's what's inspired me to actually do what the likes of these legacy media outlets refuse to do.
	Get out into the community and have real conversations with average Americans.
	Black Americans, white Americans.
	Not caricatures of what the media thinks black people are.
	Shut the fuck up, Steve.
	I'm going to go talk to white and black Americans, and I don't want to talk to no caricatures.
	But it's every time that he brings up a person of color on his show, he just does a caricature of them.
	It's just racial stereotypes, right?
	So it's like he just can't not be a racist and so it feels like he just has to go into these people's faces to really hammer in on, you know, that he can speak in a goofy voice about them.
	But Jared, Jared, the legacy media, they're forcing this divide.
	It's their fault.
	So, the click that he played from the Obama-produced Netflix movie, Leave the World Behind.
	The girl who said... Trust should not be doled out easily to anyone, especially white people.
	Have you seen the film?
	No.
	Not many people like it.
	It's from Sam Esmail, the guy who did Mr. Robot, based on a book that I think the rights to the movie got purchased before the book even came out.
	Cool.
	I haven't seen it, so I don't know.
	It's about two families, one black, one white, on vacation in Long Island.
	Suddenly, there's a news blackout.
	All the phones, TV, technology fails.
	So the world is a better place, right?
	Yeah, the story's about not knowing how to act in the face of crisis, especially when you don't know what that crisis is.
	The line, though, trust should not be doled out to anyone.
	A lot of people on the right have latched onto this and made that kind of the focus of the story.
	That's not true.
	Robin Autry wrote an article for MSNBC called Conservatives fixate on one line and leave the world behind and miss the point.
	And this is from that article.
	The character Ruth's statement to not be trusting of white people, which most black viewers would recognize as sage advice, is not the point of the film.
	It's not even close to being the point of the film.
	The film is about the possibility of overcoming mutual distrust and suspicion, however reasonable or however unfounded.
	The film argues that even in periods of hostility, there's still opportunities for cooperation and even common ground, however painfully and shakily they come about.
	The love and trust might not come easily, but the possibility is there, somewhere.
	She finishes the article saying, that may be the most Obama message ever.
	And I agree!
	But I should also mention, I don't know, for 30 seconds before that clip, over him saying how the mainstream media is showing us that the world is more divided than ever, he's running six back-to-back clips of black-on-white violence.
	Oh, no.
	And, like, we've covered three random shows in the past 20 of this podcast where he's just fueling, like, knockout game fears.
	Of course.
	And stoking lack of white violence.
	And just racist voice after racist voice after racist voice.
	It's what he focuses on all the time.
	Yeah, but, I mean, what does he claim the point of this thing is?
	Does he go and talk to black and white people about normal, everyday issues?
	Yeah, and sets them up, repeating conservative values.
	Oh, I do think that there should be racial separation, Stephen.
	He straight up has called black culture bad culture.
	We've covered that on the show.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have to say, I tried listening to this black and white on the gray issues.
	I couldn't get very deep into it, but early on I pulled this clip.
	Okay, let me ask you this.
	Has there ever been a group of people that has had it better than a white, and yes, I mean white women, not even white men, white women in the 21st century who complain more?
	Think about it.
	Everything.
	It's like, they have all the benefits of being like a protected class, but they're also just white people.
	So, you know, they just, everything is a complaint.
	And those are the ones who always get offended.
	Like you saw at SMU, they come like, you can't say that.
	Like what the hell?
	So he does this thing where he tries to set up a premise that makes people feel comfortable.
	Think about it.
	Haven't you heard of my wife, the bitch?
	This is the same thing that he does with the Change My Mind segments, though.
	Of course.
	Well, the thing that is, if you start with this place from false equivalence, that it makes it really easy to get people on your side.
	If you ask them really broad questions that, like, it's hard to say no to, like, I can't think of an example, but it's just, it's all bad faith arguments.
	There's not even, like, an allegorical example that he's able to use.
	Like, I'm aware of the clip that he used, but It's like, you know, like when, like the thing happens like that and right, right, right.
	That's the whole thing that he's doing there.
	So it's just kind of like leads people around.
	It's a negotiation tactic where you get people agreeing with you and they are more likely to continue agreeing with you.
	Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing.
	They're doing a long version of, damn, that's crazy to him.
	They're not hanging on his words.
	They're just letting him talk.
	Yeah, they're like, art man, yeah, whatever.
	And then he's like, see, these people agree with me.
	See?
	Whites are superior.
	Don't isolate me, please.
	Then there's Gerald apologizes apologetics, where the real number two gets to be as loud as he wants to be.
	This is the second one where he has had a religious scholar named Alex Jones.
	You might be familiar.
	Yeah, I am familiar with the religious scholar.
	Although he is an expert, he has some questions.
	From your research to the Bible, because you've done a better job than I have, I always remember in Sunday School and stuff, there are going to be guillotines, chopping Christians' heads off.
	I mean, what does the Bible actually say about that versus what people made up?
	100% true.
	So if you don't have the mark of the beast, if you refuse to worship, the punishment of choice is separating you from your head, which is typically fatal.
	A lot better than going to hell!
	It's supposed to be a joke, Alex.
	No, haha, haha, yeah, you're right.
	It is fun.
	But it's so serious, I'm on... Charisma vacuum.
	Pastor Alex Jones!
	That was the longest feeling silence I've ever felt in my entire life.
	And also, we know exactly what Alex paid attention to in Sunday school.
	The violence.
	Yeah, the violence.
	That's the stuff that excites him.
	He's like, oh, hell yeah.
	Biblical violence.
	Hell yeah!
	This and the last GAA, Gerald apologizes, apologetics, They were recorded at the same time based on their wardrobe.
	Gerald wearing this Jesus Has Risen Change My Mind t-shirt.
	And Alex is in this black button-up.
	His best button-up.
	He's got a Sunday best on.
	He's slimming.
	So they start out pretty standard revelation talk, you know, about how cool and influential the Left Behind series was.
	Oh nice, Kurt Cameron's my favorite.
	But the next clip, once they're safely deep into this episode, they get the green light to call Islam satanic.
	Cool.
	That it will signal in the rapture.
	A lot of people think, okay, well, what other world religion right now?
	Because it will come in under a world religion.
	Don't be fooled.
	Don't think that they're going to say God is not real.
	That's not what they're going to say.
	They're going to say, yes, God is real, but God is this.
	Right?
	They'll say you can still be Christian, but you're not really.
	You must accept every other religion.
	We have to accept all of these other things.
	What religion right now kills apostates by cutting off their heads?
	Islam.
	Islam.
	Absolutely.
	I'm so confused.
	I'll clear it up for you.
	Earlier we were talking about... Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it.
	What they're doing now is they're on the road to rejecting religion because, you guys, religion is for globalists now.
	God is the NWO and this is a one-world Godverment.
	That rules.
	Oh, shit.
	I don't know.
	They did a lot of talk about how they're bringing Jews to salvation and mostly talking about
	how other religions are wrong and theirs is right.
	But when they went a step further saying Islam is the sign of the apocalypse, that's full
	demonization of a belief system.
	And I mean, they go on to say that Gavin Newsom is clearly a demon, which is pretty cool.
	Hillary Clinton is 90% there, but that's all like old hat.
	He's called Hillary a witch and a demon a million times.
	I'm just surprised they're being so anti First Amendment.
	That is weird.
	Religious freedom, huh?
	Yeah, it's whack.
	It is whack.
	Hit the NWO music.
	New world order.
	It's pretty cool.
	We also get confirmation that Gerald got his political start with that old-school 90s Christian bigotry.
	I didn't pay much attention to politics in the 90s.
	I really didn't.
	I was doing my thing.
	I kind of knew some stuff.
	I didn't really care a whole lot about a bunch of different topics that were going on, so I didn't pay much attention.
	But the homosexual agenda that was being pushed on people was something that did cross my radar because it was being talked about a little in churches, and it was really being pushed on my generation.
	And so a lot of people out there, we have people that watch this show that would, you know, say that they are gay or lesbian or whatever, right?
	And that would be, that's fine.
	I'm not saying that you should, that you should do that.
	I think the Bible does call that sin.
	You have to address that.
	If you have a problem with that, you have to take it up with God and not me.
	But I do love you as a person, just like I love every sinner out there in the world.
	But there's what's attached to it.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I love you less than all the people who aren't sinning, but I love all the sinners too.
	Of course.
	And also when he said that they, Say that they were gay and lesbian.
	Oh, did he say say?
	Yeah, we have plenty of listeners that say that they're gay and lesbian.
	Supposedly.
	Yeah, straight-up coded conversion therapy talk.
	Yeah, that's also not surprising, right?
	It's not surprising at all.
	Yeah.
	No, that's what I wrote down here.
	But first off, could you guys imagine Gerald in the 90s?
	Yeah.
	How old is Gerald?
	I don't know.
	He looks about 45, right?
	Can you give that information?
	I'm really curious because in the 90s, Stephen was, uh, he was ages 3 to 13.
	44.
	44 years old.
	Let's see.
	So that's 8 years older.
	Yeah.
	So he was, you know, ages 11 to 19.
	When the homosexual agenda was being pushed so hard on him.
	He's like, you know, 16 and he's just got this big beautiful blonde hair just cascading down his back knee covered shoulders.
	Not a care in the world, you know?
	You're a word artist!
	The early gay agenda just being pushed on a young Gen Xer.
	No, I didn't really see reality bites, but I did help Tess run some early conversion therapy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He was just beating up gay kids in the 90s and he's calling it his political stance.
	I don't hate you, but you gotta take it up with God.
	Sowie!
	Smack, smack, smack.
	And then at the end of that clip, Alex, he talked about what is attached to this sin.
	Well, what about pedophilia?
	What about this trans thing?
	What about all of these other issues?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They were said, once that first domino falls, bestiality, pedophilia, and it's all true.
	And we're living in a day where it's like we look back and we're like, gosh, we were more right than we thought.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Can we just make a quick clip of Alex going... Some serious boomer domino falling bullshit.
	Yes, this is like the slipperiest of slopes.
	This is like black ice slope.
	This is regurgitated gay marriage talking points.
	If men love each other then all the women are gonna fuck horses.
	That's what I wrote down except I said people will marry their dogs stuff.
	It's so surprising to me that in 2024 they're talking like this.
	Yeah.
	Like, I thought we were so far beyond.
	I thought that we were as well, but I think that they are just, they're pulling up the classics because that's what sells for their base, you know?
	Playing the hits, yeah.
	And deep into this episode, like well over an hour in, they feel comfortable talking about the gay agenda, insinuating that gay people aren't really gay and they could be changed back.
	It's just a sin that they need to talk with God about.
	And that if not, they're gonna end up- If you'll suck a dick, you'll fuck a duck.
	What?
	Is that a T-shirt?
	No, that checks out.
	Yeah, that changed my mind, dude.
	Changed my mind.
	Jarrell apologizes apologetics.
	It's just a frustrating but illuminating program.
	The hate-filled two hours that I unfortunately listened to.
	I'm gonna have to set that down.
	Thank you.
	And we're going to return to the meat of our episode.
	We're just going to restart and have a clean slate.
	A clean slate.
	What is this clean slate initiative?
	A call to action and then we have a handful of Tucker Carlson-esque questions.
	Clean slate is an initiative that we're starting here.
	Never been done.
	And I ask that you consider joining us.
	Let's start with this.
	What are we doing? What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	I mean, what is everyone doing?
	with our lives here and how we use these tools.
	You're watching this probably on one of the platforms, hopefully Rumble or Mug Club, maybe YouTube.
	But you may, at one point, you would see a clip on Instagram.
	And by God, hopefully that 10 seconds gets into that timeline.
	Along with chicks dancing in yoga pants, selling you products that they don't use to develop a body you won't have and live a lifestyle that you'll never live.
	Yoga pants?
	Yeah.
	Who does he think is watching this?
	I think that he is just, he's disclosing what his algorithm is.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, but first he says it's seemingly young men and now it's young women with ambitious fitness goals.
	It's certainly not that though.
	I've been to his stand-up shows, like I've seen his audience.
	It's not what he thinks it is.
	I think... It's certainly not what he's being shown on the algorithm that you're talking about.
	Yeah, no, not at all.
	The POV of this, for me, is your out-of-breath camp counselor is about to lecture you about the cigar box he found in the bunk.
	Yeah.
	What are we doing?
	Did he run to sit down and start shooting?
	Gerald!
	Record!
	Record!
	That's kind of the illusion, right?
	Catch your breath.
	Get your vibes right.
	You know, this is just some weird after-school special shit.
	This is a weird PSA that he's doing.
	I think he recently finished an improv class about how to bring drama to a scene.
	It's like, embrace the silence.
	I mean, he's setting a stage.
	He's painting a picture.
	I think it's interesting just because there's that brief window where I was having to watch this on Rumble.
	The thing that he's describing is how all of the show starts is with these like text-to-voice AI narrated MLM supplements for instant fat loss commercials.
	It's like that's who's paying the Playstation 2 graphics with like the red lines running through the white outlined body or whatever.
	That is who's paying his bills.
	Like that type of shit.
	And he has a problem with that too.
	The big question though, his big question, what are we doing?
	And it's a good thing to consider the intention behind what you're doing.
	But this seems to be a profoundly personal question that Steve is asking himself.
	Struggling with possibly the shifting social media landscape that is no longer working for him.
	And it can't be because his content sucks.
	No.
	Right?
	The algo is beating him.
	Yeah, it's not him.
	People used to create content.
	Or people used to use social media.
	Used to create the content and hopefully reach the people who they felt it served.
	It was relevant to them.
	Now we live in a world where that's not the business.
	As a matter of fact, you're discouraged from that.
	And you're discouraged, as a consumer, from using these platforms that way.
	We now have people who aggregate content that they didn't make to try and reach an audience they don't care about through feeding a machine, which we call an algorithm.
	And all that means is it's an artificial brain.
	It's not even human.
	And it determines what you see.
	And what you consume.
	We used to be something.
	We used to be relevant.
	Now, we live in a time where you don't guide the machine no more.
	No, no, no.
	The machine, Byron, it guides you.
	I'm scared of the machine.
	He's so upset about the fact that these companies need to make money, so of course ads are going to be part of it.
	It's like he was listening to that It's Only Human song before this came on.
	I'm only human.
	Find it.
	I will look it up.
	It's like he's just upset that MySpace is gone.
	It seems that way.
	People used to use HTML to make their profiles look cool.
	We used to have music on our profile.
	And I had a code that it would switch to songs.
	And now a robot that ain't even human?
	Can you even believe this?
	No guy's even watching this?
	Yeah.
	I'll just let you know right off the bat here, Clean Slate, if you go to my Instagram or my Twitter right now, everything is gone.
	Yep.
	I've wiped everything.
	A little secret, a lot of journalists do this at New York Times or Washington Post because they want to evade accountability.
	We're doing this that hopefully you can follow suit and we will move forward using these platforms as the tools that were designed to serve us, not us, not you, serving them.
	Theory one here, over the break we were trying to keep ourselves busy, you know, staying on the pulse of what's going on with Steven while he wasn't uploading new shows.
	We shared an image of him enjoying the holiday on Instagram, a picture of his dog Joe Louis being hugged by someone, a lady hand, that's all that's really seen.
	Much speculation regarding his love life was seen in the comments, and then a big percentage of those were making fun of his potential new partner and their hand, which I think is not great.
	Sure, it's a low blow.
	Maybe you don't publicly do that, you can think it.
	Put it in your diary.
	Also, a good chunk of them were people calling him an abuser.
	Lovely.
	Which he is.
	Yeah.
	I think that that might have had something to do with him pushing this clean slate.
	Totally.
	I wouldn't be surprised, but also I love that he was like, a lot of journalists do this because they don't want to be held accountable.
	Well, yeah, and that's the other thing.
	Backing up to that excuse that he's setting up regarding journalists deleting their Twitter posts, for one, Steven isn't a journalist.
	He's a comedian.
	No, hardly a comedian.
	Awful takes as a commentator, but definitely not a journalist.
	But there are a few reasons that journalists, like real ones, delete their tweets.
	And it's not to evade accountability.
	Can't you just like, like true journalists, you can just see other articles online, those are all...
	Well, yeah, they post their articles.
	I pulled something from the Columbia Journalism Review, an article called, When Journalists Delete Tweets, They May Be Erasing the First Draft of History, which is kind of skeptical and, you know, concerned about the practice of journalists deleting their tweets.
	Sure.
	But it does reveal the reasons after talking to a handful of journalists as to why.
	All of the journalists that were questioned say that they delete tweets, but some more than others.
	Sure.
	The ones that clear all their posts gave the following reasons.
	The main reason for bulk deletion of tweets was online harassment.
	All the journalists interviewed had experienced online attacks, especially female journalists.
	Some reported that harassment shifted from Twitter to phone calls and threats against other family members, saying, you reach a level of visibility where you feel like there are just some people who are out to get you.
	You throw enough punches, you have to take some too.
	So they are saying that kind of comes with the territory, but... Sure.
	It doesn't mean you need to give people ammunition for that.
	Another journalist reported that deleting tweets is a way to prevent others from going through your feed and finding a tweet from three years ago and retweeting it out of context.
	Which, a lot of people do that.
	Sure.
	People do it on both sides.
	Yeah.
	Here's the thing that I can say.
	I can say that I empathize with the fact that being able to be like, hey, this you is an argument that many people want to be able to make.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Especially people who are being contradictory.
	The thing is that we live in this world where if you do change your mind on something and you do change your perspective on something... You can still be punished for that.
	You can be punished for it, exactly, yeah.
	And so it's much easier to be like, alright, I've changed my mind, let me delete these things that don't represent who I am right now.
	Because someone will go to your page and review the entire thing and say, alright, cool, I understand you as a person because I've reviewed your tweets, when some of those tweets might not be you anymore.
	Exactly, and also journalists, their role is to be a journalist.
	One person said, you don't need my tweets from 2010, no one needs them, I don't care.
	I mean, there are certain circumstances where you might want to preserve tweets, like Donald Trump as the president.
	You probably want to preserve his tweets because they're important to the public record, but who the fuck am I?
	It's the same stance of, like, when people say, you shouldn't be worried about searches if you have nothing to hide, kind of a thing.
	Sure.
	People who say that, and then they say, no, your privacy is important, you should be able to have your own privacy.
	Same kind of a thing.
	You should have a right over what record about you is online.
	If that's things you've said, if that's things you've done.
	You know, not everybody's life, because you are a journalist, deserves to be public record.
	Well now it's time for the hack comedy portion of his pitch.
	Oh wait, wasn't this already funny?
	I thought he was a comedian.
	Strap in, Dennis.
	Nice, I'm ready for the jokes.
	This is a unique take that no one has ever heard before.
	Okay, okay, I'm curious.
	Let me ask you about social media.
	Social.
	When you're on social media, when you're scrolling through TikTok, when you're scrolling through Instagram, when you're looking at nothing but YouTube shorts, do you feel particularly social?
	Let me ask you this.
	Do you often find yourself using social media when you're in a room with the people you love who love you?
	You ever leave Instagram or TikTok?
	Any of these places after an hour and feel better for having done it?
	If I'm entertained and that was the goal of the usage of my time, yes, I do sometimes leave a good old scroll sesh feeling okay.
	My wife and I will scroll her Instagram reels together and laugh at stupid fucking reels.
	Sharing things?
	That seems pretty social to me.
	But also, social media doesn't mean necessarily like social interaction.
	It means media created by society.
	By people.
	It is a social media.
	It doesn't mean that you're engaging socially every time you're interacting.
	You ever cook while you're playing basketball?
	Well, on the court.
	Yeah.
	I'm Lil B out there.
	Basically, his definition here is like, listen, if you aren't actively commenting on everything that you read, you are not being social.
	Not being social.
	You know that Steven is like a big fan of yesteryear, you know?
	Oh yeah.
	And I got to imagine that Papa Crowder had HBO in the house and he's just kind of hearkening back to his, he's seven years old and he's seeing slam poetry for the first time.
	So shall.
	So shall media.
	So shall idea.
	Webster defines.
	It all started with vines.
	Darkness presides.
	Algorithm buried stride.
	No longer awarding shitty, thank you, shitty behavior.
	Now, how will I feed my daughters?
	It snaps.
	It snaps alright.
	Everyone.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Social media is what you make of it.
	What happened to the personal accountability, guys?
	Back to the analogies.
	Social media, these platforms, this device that is constantly bombarding you, and by the way, collecting your information, it's like being at a party.
	You ever been at a party and there's someone there and you have a bunch of your friends, your family, and there's someone who doesn't quite pick up on the social cues and they won't let you go and you want to end the conversation but you can't because you want to spend time with the people around you who you've come to see?
	That's the device in your hand.
	You don't really want to be attached to it.
	But it won't let you go.
	Only, it's a machine.
	It's a machine that doesn't care about you.
	More robot hate.
	But honestly, Steven, get your work-life balance shit under control.
	I think that Steven went on a date.
	She was bored of him, so she was on her phone too much.
	Oh, she was on her phone.
	Okay.
	And now he's very upset about it.
	Do you guys see Steven as, like, the type of person who's honestly trying to just get out of every conversation he's trying to have?
	I think that everyone's trying to get out of conversations they're having with Steven at a party.
	They are mutually trying to get away from the conversation, but they are two magnets, basically, at that point.
	I mean, this whole thing is he just obstructs and wastes people's times when he's talking to them.
	And in light of that, he's also just trying to get people to agree with him all the time.
	I'm not the boss at the company party.
	Yeah, when I put my little ding dong on your shoulder when you pass out, this is not Steven the boss.
	This is Stephen your friend.
	This is Stephen the Big Ugly.
	Sounds like Stephen may have had a call with his team regarding his social numbers.
	Theory number two.
	We'll hear this though in the industry side.
	You just, you got to be there.
	You need more, you need more reels.
	You need more clips.
	You got, you have to do it.
	You have to do it.
	You have to do it if you want to remain relevant.
	If you want to remain competitive.
	Competitive for what?
	Competitive for what?
	For 10 second views in a timeline where people don't even remember where it came from?
	Or what they learned or what it meant.
	So you worked in advertising for a long time.
	Yeah.
	I think that there's still a benefit to exposure, but it takes multiple times.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	When you're on TikTok and you see something and then you may see it again later because you watched it.
	Here's a really good example.
	When I talk to people about this show, I say, do you know who Steven Crowder is?
	Most people say no.
	Of course.
	But I go, the change my mind meme guy?
	And they go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's exactly the conversation I had.
	That's how that goes.
	And that's because people have seen that over and over and over and over again.
	It's worked.
	But at the end of the day, views, if there's a big number of views, it means that you are more valuable to advertisers.
	Yes.
	It's just that simple.
	What does Steven think his business is?
	I don't know.
	He will not make money if it's only subscribers.
	He'll make some.
	Will he make enough to grow large?
	Of course not.
	No, I mean this goes way back to the Stop Big Con, which that happened before our show did, where he was mad about the contract that the Daily Wire offered him.
	And he should have fucking taken it!
	Oh my god, his life would have been so easy!
	It would have been so much better if he would have just been like... But you know what?
	He can't cave to that, okay?
	He cannot cave to that.
	He needs to stand up.
	He has a moral responsibility.
	Absolutely he does.
	I like that his big gripe, it seems, in that last clip was, after he's saying competitive for what, is that people are not retaining the shit that he's making videos about.
	No one knows where this information came from.
	They're not paying attention to any of that.
	I think that's him kind of mask off a little bit, saying like, people are not paying attention to what I'm saying.
	They don't care about the things I'm talking about.
	Yes.
	And it's especially hard because the show is important to him.
	He wants it to be important to his audience.
	It's his identity.
	He's so proud of it that he would like this to be shared with his kids.
	God forbid if something happened to him.
	And just to be clear, this show, 22nd Daily Show, I want... You want to know?
	Watch the show.
	This show is a time capsule.
	Something happens to me, I'd say, show my kids who their father was.
	Show them the show.
	But it's a program that's designed for you.
	And a lot of the things that we discuss, for example, Gerald doing an apologetics episode with Alex Jones, that'll be going up next week.
	The algorithm, the artificial machine would tell you, you don't want to see it.
	I don't agree.
	I don't want to.
	Here's the thing about the algorithm.
	Okay.
	I'll be honest.
	I don't make social media.
	I believe that it's this simple.
	I believe that it is.
	If you watch stuff, the algorithm will just give you more of that stuff.
	Yeah.
	If people are seeing your show right now, Steven, and they're hearing this message, they will hear your next message.
	Okay.
	I don't know what you want that's different than that?
	Death.
	He wants death.
	And he wants to make sure that his daughters see this, this time capsule, to watch their dear old dad just falling apart in real time.
	I don't know why that hit me so hard that he is truly proud enough- Because it's an Alex Jones book right there.
	He just totally stole a page off.
	Folks, if they come and get me, you'll know that it was the deep state.
	I don't know.
	It's not the Deep State.
	I don't know what the fuck he's paranoid about.
	I hate this so much because as somebody who lost their father, I would hate if I found that my dad was like a conservative... I would hate if I found that my dad was like a conservative radio dude.
	I'd be like, fuck man, that spoils my entire... That sucks.
	You know, we played baseball together and it turns out he's racist.
	Shit.
	Unfunny joke after unfunny joke for years.
	We have hours of this.
	Yeah, just hate for our 16 minutes of this 16 minutes of him doing Asian boys It's unfortunate and it's sad yeah, but yeah as the uh, you know as I get older I do catch myself doing this quite a bit, you know saying When I was a kid Oh yeah, for sure, yeah.
	I don't broadcast it, I don't put it on a podcast.
	We just did.
	Well, shit.
	You know, when I was a kid, and they would say TV would rot your brain, as an example, but it was different.
	If you went to a live show, you bought a ticket, you were there, you were sharing an experience with people.
	I can remember as a kid, my dad would usually tape it, because it was past my bedtime, staying up with him the next day after watching David Letterman, or if there was something really funny on Saturday Night Live, or he would show me these films that he grew up with.
	Sounds very social.
	We would sit around and watch it together.
	And then turn it off.
	And usually talk about what it was that we watched.
	And we felt better usually watching something together.
	It actually did help build community and conversation.
	Same thing if you, radio, you turn it on.
	DVD, VHS, Blu-ray, whichever one.
	Maybe you're a Betamax guy, I don't know.
	You'd pop it in, you'd watch something, you'd move on.
	Same thing even when YouTube started out.
	You subscribed to somebody.
	You saw the content.
	And then you could discuss it.
	That's not what happens now.
	That's exactly what happens now.
	You just go to your subscribe page.
	People watch content and then they talk about it in the comments.
	The top page on YouTube is just showing you like the stuff that you watch the most.
	So it's just kind of putting it there.
	But because like, you know, I'm somebody who has like 30, 40 subscriptions on YouTube or something like that.
	It's not just bombarding me with all of that all at once.
	Like I just got to go to the subscription page and there it is.
	It's really not that hard.
	Yeah, people aren't clicking around as much on Steven Crowder, and that's a real problem for him.
	We have the algorithm now, right?
	What used to be the algorithm was just shitty shows got cancelled.
	Yeah.
	Popular shows would be on at primetime, shitty shows would get cancelled, and then that's that.
	And in your own house, the algorithm was just, hey, I really like these shitty westerns, so I'm gonna go buy some more shitty westerns.
	I don't think movies were ever put out on Betamax either.
	I actually don't know.
	That was home movies only, I believe.
	I think this is like more freedom than ever to have specific interests.
	Like, that's what the algorithm is.
	It provides you the opportunity to see something beyond what is the most popular thing.
	Which is how it used to be.
	It used to be like, this has 500 million views, so you need to watch the new Lady Gaga music video.
	Totally.
	Which is the opposite of what he would want.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's afforded this because of the lack of gatekeeping.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, and I think one of the challenges here, and I can empathize with the challenge of trying to be somebody who needs social media for success if you're a business, if you're someone whose social media is their entire business.
	It's complicated.
	Getting to the point where the algorithm gets you to the top takes serious work.
	But it also did before.
	It definitely did a long time ago.
	I think it was actually way harder.
	Yeah, imagine being like a... We were in shitty bands growing up.
	Now someone can be popular on YouTube, it explodes, and then that's their career now.
	And you find your audience easier with an algorithm.
	You find a more niche audience.
	You think we would have a fucking chance in hell of having a podcast that's listened to?
	Ours?
	Yeah, trying to distribute these on CDs.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, it wouldn't happen.
	We're in the line at Warped Tour just like, hey man, will you check this out?
	Can I put these headphones on you?
	Handing out handbills.
	Oh my god.
	The other thing about this clip too that I thought was funny was just like, hey guys do you remember Blockbuster?
	Oh yeah.
	It's just like my dad would do all these things and we'd talk about these movies and then we would move on.
	That's like, shut up.
	You just described like watching videos on the couch with your partner, your wife.
	Uh-huh.
	That's exactly what he's talking about doing with his father.
	Like it's just watching something you enjoy and talking about it.
	It still happens.
	And then he's saying back then you used to pop in a DVD.
	It's just lifting your phone.
	It's just changed form.
	It still happens.
	You choose to go to TikTok or Instagram.
	It's the same way as pushing play on something.
	We used to have a CRT TV.
	Oh my god.
	Do you guys remember when spinning discs used to make our society better?
	It's just a dumb take.
	So Dennis, Jared, what do you follow?
	Who do you subscribe to?
	Doesn't matter.
	Who you subscribe to and what you say you want to watch.
	Is largely irrelevant because of an artificial brain telling you what it is that you need to see.
	The difference between you controlling the devices, between you turning things on that you want to watch, and using it to actually help build your community.
	Again, I mean, we don't need to drive this nail too deeply, but the algorithm is based on what you interact with.
	with a default, a default setting of notifications and a bing, bing, bing while it reads your face,
	your thumbprint, and your preferences.
	Again, I mean, we don't need to drive this nail too deeply, but the algorithm is based on what you interact with.
	Yeah, so I have a quick addendum to my theory about him being on date with a girl.
	I think he said, yeah, I have a online show called Louder with Crowder, and she goes,
	oh, I'm sorry, I haven't heard of that.
	What?
	I think that's what happened.
	In his weird algorithmic echo chamber, he's like, what do you mean?
	Everyone's heard of it.
	Everyone's heard of it.
	If you listen to it, I could give you a truck.
	I think it's pretty safe to say that Steven is having a tough go as of late.
	Yeah.
	And that he's projecting.
	Again, why do you feel so unhappy?
	We have a mental health-ish crisis, I guess we should say, that we've never had in this country.
	I thought I was gonna cry.
	And we have more access to information than ever before.
	You really should be able to become more educated now for no money, but certainly less than at any point in history.
	You should be able to be connected to people.
	Your family.
	Your friends.
	More than ever before, because you don't need to pay the money for a long-distance call or get on a plane.
	Right?
	This was supposed to create accessibility, but people are more isolated than ever.
	Why do you feel that way?
	Let me tell you why.
	Well, you don't have a wife anymore.
	And it seems like you've burnt every bridge in the conservative media landscape.
	Yeah, I think Steven's just really unhappy.
	I think I figured out why, though.
	It's because all the people he's surrounded himself with, right?
	Now he's going mask off.
	He's a fucking woke leftist here.
	Mental health crisis?
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	You should really be able to become more educated now for no money.
	It's like, yes, dude, we've been saying that for some while, but your dumb ass friends have been fighting it tooth and nail.
	Nice to hear it makes some sense for once.
	Jared's going to go on Steven's next show.
	But let me ask you guys, when's the last time you connected with someone over social media?
	I don't know, like every day?
	Every day.
	Every day.
	Yeah, just like right now, right?
	Yeah, we're talking over the internet.
	How often before, back in the good old days, did people, did friends connect?
	We're constantly connected.
	We're sharing images or updates about our lives with each other all the time.
	We have a group chat.
	I talk to my mom every day.
	Totally.
	I have connections with friends that I haven't I connect with people I've never even met before in real life and we're like close friends.
	100%.
	My thought on it, social media has helped me book tours.
	I've met hundreds of people through it.
	I've had some wonderful lasting relationships outside of social media because of that.
	I mean like it's our generation's like big tool like we we kind of like set the rules or like what do you say it's like the the monolith right like we're the first people to use this thing and so like who even knows what it's gonna look like in 10 years like yeah what I've done with it anyways like been really cool and fun and like I understand the frustration of it sometimes but then also it's like you put yourself in this position like you you want this show right like you have to do it Yeah, if you feed it shit, it gives you shit.
	If you feed it good, it gives you good.
	I love some of the experiences I have on social media.
	I'm in a lot of, like, photography groups, and I love when I get to, like, help people and stuff.
	Sure.
	And there's toxic parts of it, for sure.
	And the only difference, really, with social media is that it's harder to get those out of your face.
	Yeah, but talking about modern media itself.
	Legacy media.
	Works completely different.
	It does.
	Cable TV.
	Especially if you're, like, trying to reject modernity at, like, every fucking turn.
	Sure.
	Cable TV, how did they make money?
	How do they make capital?
	Let's say YouTube, Instagram, Twitter.
	What's their capital?
	Eyeballs?
	Ears?
	You?
	No.
	How do they make money?
	Sponsors?
	Ads?
	They're selling you to the highest bidder.
	When you get a ding, and a ding, and a ding, and a ding, and a ding, and read your face, and thumbprint scan, what's your preference?
	You are the product they are selling.
	You're just a means to an end for them to make money.
	And I say this as a free enterpriser.
	That's why you feel miserable.
	This is not about serving you.
	This is not a tool like a radio, like a television, like a hammer.
	You are a tool to them.
	They don't serve you, you are serving them.
	And it's a really scary thing.
	Sorry, got a shiver.
	Yeah.
	Is he selling the farm here though?
	That's my main question.
	What is capital?
	You are the capital.
	How do they make money?
	Sponsors, ads.
	Which is kind of how things have always been.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, and you're right.
	This is, it's never been any different than that, but like, How is it different for Stephen B. Crowder?
	And I just think that it's like the B stands for bullshitting my listeners into giving me their emails through MailChimp under the guise of a petition or getting you to sign up for $10,000 in a brand new truck from my website.
	PS5.
	And a PS5.
	And it couldn't be that he'd be taking a page out of his former friend's, his former lawyer's book over at the Daily Wire and selling the information to the highest bidder.
	This is something that he's been at least adjacently attached to.
	And like, why does he think that people couldn't pick up on that?
	Like he's probably just doing the same shit.
	Well, he just doesn't understand how media works in general.
	It's always been advertising.
	It's always.
	And then, so when cable was introduced, the idea with cable was there won't be ads.
	That's why you're paying for it.
	They realized they couldn't make enough money that way, and they had to start doing ads again.
	Right?
	But it's always been.
	Newspapers.
	Yeah, listen to the radio.
	There's ads.
	Newspapers, there's ads.
	TV, there's ads.
	You are a means for them to sell the product.
	And it's not malicious.
	A hammer's a fucking stupid example.
	He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
	Well, he's evoking a powerful image.
	Media is a tool!
	Yeah, no, sorry, you are media, man.
	People need money to make these products.
	Sure.
	And I mean, he's the one that got mad when YouTube demonetized him.
	Monetization is ads.
	That's everything to the business.
	If YouTube started and said, hey, listen, we have this great thing, it's videos you post, and you have to pay for it, people would be like, yeah, no, I'm not going to do that.
	I'm not paying for that.
	Look at what's happening with Twitter.
	Exactly.
	What happens with all of these social media channels is they start off free to build a user base and then they go and sell ads because they have the user base.
	That's simply Media 101.
	But he's trying to make it and frame it as malicious.
	For example, we're gonna have ads soon, right?
	Right?
	No.
	I'm really sorry.
	No one wants to advertise on a show about an awful show.
	Oh no.
	Like, of course.
	How else would YouTube make money?
	Would you pay the subscription to YouTube, Steven?
	Would you?
	I mean, I do pay for a subscription to YouTube to avoid ads, but that's kind of the same thing as his mug club.
	And that's fine!
	Like all of this is fine.
	These are fine approaches.
	Both approaches are fine.
	There's nothing wrong with advertising.
	No, they're tried and true.
	Like it's how you make the money.
	But by evoking these images of like eye scans and thumbprint reading, the evil non-human brain of the algorithm.
	The non-human brain is protecting your privacy.
	He's just trying to demonize the way things are done.
	He's an old man shouting at the sky.
	Yes he is!
	I was looking into, I couldn't remember exactly when he launched the Mug Club pre-sub or whatever.
	So it was March 20th of last year, 2023.
	In response to the Stop Big Con situation.
	Stop Big Con stuff, right.
	So I think at the pre-sale for Mug Club he had gotten something like $55,000 plus.
	Subs and then after like 30 days of launching Not sure if it's an August or September or if they're talking about in April, but after 30 days he had a hundred and eighteen thousand subs So if it is April right that that means that like he has three months to get these coffers filled back up That's like ten point five million dollars that he would have had after I was gonna say I was about to do the math That's a lot of money.
	It's a ton of cash, and so none of us have $10.5 million for anything that we've done, so I gotta stick my hat and say, yeah, okay.
	Alright.
	BDE over here.
	Big Dennis energy.
	You know, 10 months since he, like, independently launched this thing, so now it's just about filling those coffers.
	It's $89 a year.
	I was gonna say, that's the interesting thing, is he only allows you to pay yearly for this, so this is his desperate attempt to hold on to subscribers, because their subscriptions are gonna be coming to an end pretty soon.
	You gotta get them engaged, you gotta make them feel like they're a part of it, and deleting their social media and hashtagging it.
	I also gotta say too, you go to all these people's pages and it's just like, you know that they used to have something on their page, especially like Steven Crowder and all they have is hashtag clean slate.
	The first thing, if I'm just a normie and I stumble into this, I'm just gonna be like, oh god, I've seen all of these, you know, headlines with his name attached to it and court cases.
	What has this man done?
	Why did he delete everything from like the cancellation standpoint?
	It's like, did Steven do some sex pervert shit?
	Well, speaking of Stephen shit, it wouldn't be an episode of Louder with Crowder if we didn't sow in some distrust interjecting some light conspiracy.
	When you take that and then you also extrapolate what we know about elections, what we know about the lockdowns, what we know about COVID, but it's really, really hard to identify that when you're so far gone because you've been convinced that you like something you didn't even care about because boom, it was a 10 second view.
	It was a 10 second view.
	And all of a sudden you're down a rabbit hole and hey, your kids are right there.
	Your family is right there.
	There's nothing wrong with consuming media.
	There's something really wrong with the biggest corporations that have ever existed, more powerful than governments.
	Building their business model off of your inability to turn it off.
	There's a fair criticism to be had that social media is purposefully addictive.
	Sure.
	But to imply you are watching things you don't care about.
	Gerald and I will just be sending these TikToks back and forth all day long.
	And then one of us ends up dropping our kids.
	Gerald has not apologized for dropping his son yet.
	They're the people who believe in free will.
	You have a choice to watch what you want and you're not watching things you don't want.
	You see all these badonkadonks in these yoga pants.
	I swear, I swear.
	I didn't even want to watch this clip, it just came up.
	Look at your 4U, it's just ass, ass, ass, ass.
	Is that Nicki Minaj stuff?
	Pitbull booty bumps.
	Weird take.
	It is a very weird take.
	I only watch it, if I get on social media and I go, oh fuck, I don't want to see that.
	I go, that's enough internet for today and I'd leave.
	Gerald just hovering over him with his hands on his hips.
	Steve, what did I tell you about at work?
	Can you all try something for me?
	Oh yeah.
	Hey, do me a favor.
	Just try for a couple of days not doing it, and also proactively looking for news articles staying in the know.
	Do you really need to be in these social media ghettos where four companies, three really, control all of the information out there?
	And does it make your life better?
	Does it make any of you happier?
	So that's why we're starting the Clean Slate Initiative.
	Uh, and if you actually go to louderwithcrowder.com slash cleanslate, uh, there are the instructions there if you want to take part.
	Oh, there's instructions?
	There are instructions, but, uh, I do agree with him again.
	Don't get your news from social media.
	Well, I'd be curious to see how he feels about Reddit as a social media channel, because in Reddit the algorithm is the people.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The upvotes and downvotes direct what you see on the front pages.
	And there's... Is there limited advertising for Reddit?
	There's just regular ads on Reddit, right?
	But it's just a matter of what you see on the top posts, it's just people upvoting and it goes.
	Speaking of Reddit, reddit.com slash r slash louder underscore than underscore crowder?
	Yeah.
	Go check that out.
	Remember, I think I said it incorrectly.
	I said Brogan was the main author at louderwithcarter.com.
	I think it was something else Brogan or something.
	Okay.
	Either way, Danielle Berjikin, I might be saying that wrong, has picked up the space that Brogan, I'm gonna call him that still because it's fun, They've posted, I don't know, dozens of articles in the past few weeks for ladderwithcrowder.com.
	A whole bunch.
	But, you know, really great stuff.
	The headline is, they are selling you to the highest bidder.
	Crowder calls for a hashtag clean slate on social media.
	This came out on January 11th.
	Do you feel like you are in a rate race?
	Well, it's 2024, which means it's time to start with a clean slate.
	I love a good rate race.
	They go on, but yeah, I just love like a first sentence.
	First sentence, straight out of the gate.
	Oh, so good.
	Maybe they had to correct the chatbot GPT.
	Really simple.
	Delete Twitter.
	There's a program called Redact, where you can mass delete your posts, which you can download.
	Delete Instagram, go to your profile.
	It just kind of basically explains how to delete all your posts.
	Telling his boomers where to go.
	Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook.
	Those are the only ones he focuses on.
	Doesn't care about Rumble at all.
	He still needs those YouTube watchers.
	Yeah, no YouTube, no Reddit.
	We need YouTube.
	We gotta keep the TikToks between Gerald and I going.
	It's not much of an article, but it seems to be another attempt at turning LouderWithCrowder.com into some sort of actual media website.
	He's telling his users, hey, Those guys don't need you.
	You don't need to hang out with those losers.
	I can help you.
	Come hang out with me.
	I can help you.
	I'll fix you.
	It's fine.
	Tells you to read news and not look at social media, but then provides them with the breadcrumbs to a news website.
	Yeah, this is like the abusive boyfriend telling you that all your friends are assholes.
	Oh yeah.
	You should hang out with that guy.
	That guy's a pervert.
	What are you making for dinner tonight?
	Yeah, exactly.
	As much as they're saying this, deleting these apps, they wouldn't dare get off social media entirely.
	Not in an election year.
	No, of course not.
	Because I understand that this is pretty severe.
	We've gone through, I guess, a digital suicide machine, as it were.
	I consider it a rebirth.
	We're not deleting these platforms, but especially as we go into an election season, we're hitting the reset, saying, okay, what kind of a legacy do we want to leave?
	And what kind of a change do we want to impact?
	And any of you out there want to have the AI brain determine what it is that you consume and who you are based on things that you were posting in maybe 2009 when the platform was entirely different from what it is now?
	We're not saying delete everything.
	We're saying delete the content so that you can start fresh.
	And if enough of you do this, it'll throw their algorithms for a loop and you get to start with a clean slate.
	Narrator says it won't.
	Great.
	But before we get to that, Digital Suicide Machine?
	That's a fucking banging band name.
	That's a great name.
	Could be a cool album.
	Do you want to start a band called Digital Suicide Machine?
	Yeah.
	I got the drum set in the closet right now.
	I don't know what he thinks he's doing.
	I just don't know what he thinks he's going to achieve with this.
	The algorithm still knows everything about you if you delete your post.
	You're exactly right, Dennis.
	I had to look into this because I assumed what he was saying was absolute total nonsense and it's confirmed here from a Wired article by Emily Dreyfus called The Sadness of Deleting Your Old Tweets.
	What you see on Twitter and who sees your tweets is mostly based on behavior.
	Who you follow, what you like, what you retweet, and the behavior of your network.
	Those signals are analyzed in real time and deleting old tweets will have no effect.
	Yeah.
	The information is stored in the scary non-human algorithm brain.
	Deleting your old tweets isn't gonna adjust what you see.
	It'd be like, let's say every day you go to the corner store and you get milk.
	Sure.
	And you take a picture every time you do it.
	You go through your camera and delete all your pictures and you show up and they go, Hey man, the usual?
	You here to take a picture of that milk?
	Yeah, they're like, how do you know that?
	I deleted all the pictures!
	But you know what it is gonna fix though, is that the tweets not being there means that you can't go back and take those old tweets to build a digital crucifix and then freaking hang him on it, okay?
	This is the freaking rebirthing period of Muck Club.
	I do like the rebirth.
	Muck Club rebirth.
	It's not so much a digital suicide.
	It's a rebirth.
	Wonderful.
	I'm confused, though.
	One more time, what should we do?
	You can clear your timelines and put up one post, whatever post it is that you want to put up, so that when people go to your profiles, this is what they see, this is what defines you, and include the hashtag Clean Slate so that hopefully other people do it.
	That's what it is.
	Now if you don't want to do that, and there are ways to archive, by the way, everything you've done in the past so you don't lose it yourself personally, then I would just ask that you be mindful as you move forward and use these platforms as tools to serve you as opposed to chasing the dragon and serving a master because you need to understand that that master is an artificial brain that doesn't exist and does not care about you or your children.
	Or my children.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Clear your timelines and advertise for us.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Also, I'm looking at Clean Slate and none of these posts are about it.
	No?
	What are they saying?
	Uh, Stanley Clean Slate Collection.
	Uh, let's see.
	Here's a still for sale.
	Hashtag Clean Slate.
	Someone's selling an old car.
	Great.
	January month of new chapters.
	Clean Slate.
	Made a new house.
	Clean Slate.
	Fat to five kilometer.
	Clean Slate.
	I mean, maybe those are.
	Maybe those are Steven Crowder adjacent.
	None of these are.
	No, you don't think so?
	None of these are.
	I promise you that.
	Wow.
	Why does he think that, like, I feel like I'm being close to generous or something here, but on a good episode like Nashville Shooter episode where he gets like 2.5 million on Rumble and I have to assume it's probably pretty high on YouTube as well.
	Well, you know, three million plus like on a good day.
	Even if all of those people did go back, three million people, let's say, go back and delete their tweets and say hashtag clean slate.
	Why does he think that matters in a sea of multiple billions?
	Like we already know it doesn't work.
	But then also three million people in like several billion tweets.
	That's that's not even a ripple in the lake.
	Yeah, but they're taking charge and control and they're standing up against the non-human brain of the algorithm.
	It doesn't care about your children.
	And he wants us, or his listeners I suppose, to make platforms their bitch.
	You start dominating these platforms out there.
	Naughty little platforms.
	So that they fall in line in service to you.
	You're not just something they sell to someone who doesn't know you and doesn't care about you.
	That's what Clean Slate is.
	Whether you choose to wipe everything, one post, hashtag Clean Slate, or you can include hashtag Clean Slate in your timelines as they exist, and as you move forward, decide that you're going to take control of it.
	Yeah, once again, you can't retroactively change your algorithm.
	The only way to change it is to, you know, change the things you look at.
	Which is fine, you can make that choice if you're like, I'm sick of seeing yoga asses, then stop looking at yoga asses.
	Stop looking at yoga asses.
	You can also even say, hey, I don't want to see any more yoga asses anymore.
	You can go to your settings in Instagram and it shows you, like, your actual broken down interests, and you can delete those.
	You have to click on, I'm not interested in yoga pants.
	And that's a hard thing to... It's really hard.
	Well, fuck, I guess I kind of am though, dammit.
	That kind of got me here.
	If he really cared about his audience, though, he would suggest that.
	I mean, there's a deeper understanding of the algorithm that he could share with his audience.
	It'd be like if you're having problems with, like, maybe even sex addiction or porn addiction, which is something that he considers an important part of, like, his discussions.
	I got guys for that.
	They're called the Hodge Twins.
	You should check them out.
	I threw away all my porn DVDs, but Pornhub.com still works.
	He could easily give people real and useful information about the algorithm.
	Are you implying that his goal is not to truly help these people?
	Interesting, that is exactly what I'm saying.
	Let's go champ!
	Back into my pocket.
	Well, back to the real reason that he's doing all of this.
	Just so you know, not only is the show coming back on the 22nd, we never really take breaks.
	We've been working on, we've had the undercover unit here, pissing off the most powerful people in the world.
	If you thought the Nashville Manifesto was something that is child's play compared to this, we have to aim once and aim right.
	We're gonna piss off the municipal of Portland, Maine this time.
	The most powerful people in the world that are also in Portland.
	East Coast Mariners.
	I do want to mention real quick he's lying they always take breaks before Christmas through late January happens every year.
	There's also no shame in taking breaks.
	Dude it's totally fine.
	He always says like I take a break during this period to do upgrades to the studio and I mean that a lot of people retool this time of year there's no shame in that.
	But to imply it's any different is... Hustle.
	Hustle culture, baby.
	He's just popping on to say this little thing really quick in 22 minutes.
	Set up information.
	He gives us a little bit more info.
	And we actually have a special Nick DiPaolo 30-minute stand-up special as the OG on Friday.
	And then we're going to have, once we get the final Go ahead here from Legal on the undercover stories that, you know, hey, none of this would make sense business-wise.
	And again, I guess the quiet part loud, right?
	Like, he's realizing that his business model is unsustainable.
	Also, I don't know where this Nick DiPaolo special is.
	It's supposed to have come out... Today, right?
	Yesterday, technically.
	Must be behind the paywall for Mug Club, which is what he wanted to do with Brewer's Special, but Jim said, no, you're not gonna take money from my special?
	I'm surprised that he hasn't gone so far as to like directly be like, once I get to this many subscribers on Mug Club, I'll release this.
	Manifesto.
	The rest of the pages.
	This secret thing.
	He might tease something like that.
	What other things don't make him money?
	Yeah.
	Don't make sense.
	Change my mind?
	Absolutely not.
	That's costly.
	Doesn't appeal to... Black and white, what, you're just gonna... White guy, you're just gonna go into a barbershop and talk with people?
	Does not make sense.
	Alex Jones and Gerald Morgan doing an episode on apologetics for an hour plus?
	Wouldn't make sense.
	You guys let us know.
	The undercover unit does not make sense.
	If you're just trying to appeal to that algorithm, click, click, click, click.
	You're better off posting an old Andrew Dice Clay hilarious stand-up clip and not giving credit.
	Why do you bring out the Dice Man here?
	You know, Courage.
	Hip.
	He's on it.
	He's got the pulse.
	Dice is, uh, he was just here in town actually, but... How'd he do?
	I think he does okay.
	I mean, like, he's like a, he's like a Rogan guy, so like, I'm sure Mothership or whatever, but...
	I was just going to say, I've actually seen people repost Diceman clips.
	So I don't know if that's a thing that also he's seen.
	I don't know.
	But specifically the Diceman.
	And just to say it, now I know he plays really good drums.
	He's a good drummer.
	Oh, I didn't know that, actually.
	I mean, there's a problem with people repackaging clips and trying to get an audience from that, but also, like, there's no real audience to that.
	The people who are repackaging and reposting things and getting millions of views on TikTok, it's not like they're actually gaining anything from that.
	The people?
	I mean, they're making money.
	Potentially the content still is what it is just because it's not financially being recognized surfing the wave of the algorithm Yeah, and that I mean if Steven didn't care about the money then that shouldn't matter.
	Yeah Yeah, I also noticed too.
	Did did you watch this or did you listen to it?
	I listened to it and I watched it.
	So we both saw that Stephen got a haircut.
	He did.
	Because of the black and white issues.
	This is costing him money to do these things.
	Is that what he was implying?
	This shit doesn't make any sense.
	I'm having to pay for a haircut.
	And it looks good.
	It looks fine to me.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	This is gonna be our last clip.
	We want to provide this to you and you.
	Not some artificial learning machine that seems to get dumber or more evil by the day will determine what it is that we do and I just ask that you consider not allowing it to determine what you do going forward.
	So the one thing we didn't talk about is this kind of big threat of new Mug Club undercover releases, which is what he's used to advertise his stuff since the fake Nashville Manifesto scheme.
	Yeah.
	But he's going to continue to threaten a larger, bigger thing once it's cleared by legal.
	That's the end of his pitch, which is exactly what it was.
	But there's this big theme, which I think we're all thinking about, which again, I feel like we need to clarify is speculation.
	But why do you think Steven is doing this clean slate thing?
	I think he's solely doing it so that his Mug Club viewers will be more sticky to him.
	He wants them to cut off their other sources.
	Which he has expressed a couple times saying, this should be your news.
	Yeah, totally.
	He's said that.
	But I personally believe that he is deleting his Instagram and Twitter in an attempt to destroy evidence in his pending divorce and custody trial.
	It's illegal to do this.
	If you delete something of evidentiary value and bad faith, you can be prosecuted for that.
	Yeah, I mean, it's like deleting a hard drive with, like, evidence on it for sure.
	It has to be deemed by the court to have spoiled evidence, but... I can see that.
	I would say odds are anything that was truly impactful would already be scraped.
	I would hope.
	That they would already have it off of there.
	But this is also all civil stuff, mostly, that it seems that he's going through.
	So it has, like, slightly different connotations to what can pass through there.
	What my lawyer was telling me was that basically if we're able to make this assessment pretty easily, they've already done it ten times over because of the discovery process.
	So I would guess that probably one of the first things that they did was probably go back through social media Search for key terms, just basically pull anything that they could assume is relevant.
	Yeah, yeah, anything like that.
	Pregnancy.
	And I'm sure that they have record of it, but also that if he did get rid of it, because of where he is in the court stuff, he's probably, in my mind, he's probably fine to do what he's done because that stuff is already, presumably, seemingly, Uh, that information would already have been collected.
	Yeah.
	I don't know that there's, like, too much, uh, you know, damage control that can be done here that hasn't already happened on the legal end.
	Other than the public surfacing, I guess.
	My completely non-legal opinion would be that he's probably not doing anything criminal by deleting the tweets, anything to be held civilly liable for, but I would say, um, I think you're, of course, you're right that during the discovery process they probably I wouldn't be surprised if they just scraped his entire social media and like they have it all on a hard drive.
	Pulled all the videos, too.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
	Because that's, I mean, you would expect these things to be gone later on.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Maybe he's a dumbass, though.
	I have no idea.
	I think that he's just trying to get his viewership up.
	I think that's the entire goal of this is to try and increase his viewership.
	I don't think that his deleting of anything, if anything, like I said earlier, it's probably just him trying to make it so that someone, no one can go, hey, this you in the future.
	Well, and maybe preserving his ego as well after that kind of disasterous Christmas post.
	I will say this.
	I do empathize with Steven in that his entire life is online.
	The other parts of his life that's more private is kind of being destroyed in his divorce.
	Yeah, and that sucks.
	But it is due to his behavior.
	Of course, yeah, but from a human-to-human perspective, it sucks that like, you know, his divorce is happening, right?
	He's probably seeing his viewership decline, and he's seeing the other stuff go wrong, right?
	It's like getting home and your house is on fire, kind of thing.
	All of this just, it does feel manic.
	There's like a particular mania about it.
	I'm being persecuted.
	They're making me carry this burden.
	To say that his audience is his personal burden and that he's carrying them all on his back, he's shepherding them across, you know, the digital wasteland that is social media, I suppose.
	And that he is being persecuted and hung up on this digital cross and it's the rebirth.
	It's all this stuff that has this like weird religious tinge to it.
	I think Stephen's losing his mind a little bit.
	Like I think he's hot under the collar and his brains are being fucking frazzle dazzled with all this stuff.
	Like he's having a hard time with it I think.
	A digital suicide cult leader at this point.
	Exactly.
	And in his own words.
	It's just like, you know, I don't know.
	Join him.
	But if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	I'm excited.
	The day that this gets released is the day that Steven returns to his weekly program, so I'm sure we'll be covering that episode.
	He's gonna have a lot to talk about, but until then, rate and review us on iTunes and Spotify.
	It may not seem important, but I have noticed a couple people who stumbled onto us accidentally, which turns out maybe naming yourself really close to the subject matter that you're being critical of isn't always great for ratings and reviews.
	I mean, we would really appreciate it if you could... Folks, we need to combat that!
	Yeah, thanks, Alex.
	I would appreciate that.
	So yeah, written reviews on iTunes and Spotify.
	No, it's hard because it doesn't matter.
	I fully recognize that it doesn't matter, but if it does anything to get us in the right ears, that would be helpful, I think.
	You can find us on X at thancrowder.
	Dennis and I, we have a meeting coming up soon to finalize the details of louderthancrowder.com.
	It's gonna be real.
	But for the time being, go to louderthancrowder.net.
	Boys, happy to be back in Stude with you.
	Dennis, severely sunburned.
	So burned.
	Crispy.
	Didn't mention it at all.
	Lobster style.
	You don't even hear it.
	Don't even notice.
	He's in an aloe bath right now, just with the mic next to him.
	Yeah, he's waterboarding himself.
	That aloe is good for your guts, too.
	Oh good, yeah.
	Happy that you're back.
	Jared, thanks so much for your report on the Hodge twins.
	Very well received.
	Spotlight that they don't typically get, so I'm glad that we had the opportunity to do that.
	Gotta hang with our Spectrum boys.
	Sexual Spectrum.
	They know it, Steven doesn't know it.
	I'd like to see them on the show in the new year, but until next episode guys, for Jared and Dennis, adios!
	I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	Let's give him that banner, I think.
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