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EPISODE 18: THIRD CHAIR (DECEMBER 19TH - DECEMBER 29TH)

Third Chair. The most important role on LwC...next to desk and 2nd chair. However, this typically represents the comic relief. The voice of the people. In this first exploration into these seat fillers, Jared pulled up another an extra chair to drive deep with the Hodge Twins Uncensored Mug Club program. Any bets on if they're remain on the roster in 2024? Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an Audio World Original.
	Welcome to Third Chair, a show within the show, louder than Crowder.
	My name is Jared.
	I'm joined by Byron.
	Hi, guys.
	And no dentist today.
	I heard that his wife got him surfing on a dolphin's back lessons.
	He's in Hawaii.
	Of course, like Alex Jones, he's actually investigating Zuckerberg's secret tunnels and bunkers.
	And that's cool.
	And I actually heard that the dolphins are like trained to get in those little crevasses.
	Grab a hold of a fin.
	Hang tight.
	And Dennis is a freedom fighter, if anything else, and, uh, I'm sorry, if not for anything else, and, uh, he's gonna get to the bottom of this, folks.
	I got a good feeling about it.
	I expect a full report when he returns, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Sounds like he's actually probably just there for work, doing normal work stuff.
	Doing normal work stuff.
	Oh, well, so, hey, Byron, how you doing?
	Really tired.
	And that's why I'm very grateful that you're stepping in with another perspective, a new show inside of the show.
	I mean, before we talk about it, how are you?
	It would be rude if you asked me and then I didn't ask you.
	I do that all the time on accident.
	I'll just kind of yammer on for a while and I'm like, that's cool.
	And I've exhausted all of the time that we have here together and must walk our separate ways.
	So to anyone that I do that to, I apologize.
	I'm working on it.
	I am well.
	Same.
	Exhausting week, man.
	I got new tires.
	Hit a nail.
	Had to get new tires.
	They were like, actually, it's really rainy out there.
	I don't think that we're allowed to let you leave with tires like that.
	But they didn't have the tires.
	So I was like, good.
	I'm going to go to a different place.
	Everything worked out.
	I got a nail this year too.
	I don't know what's going on.
	And then I drove on it on the highway for about 20 miles.
	I'm an interstate to interstate to interstate kind of guy.
	Yeah.
	And twice a day usually.
	I mean, I was trying to find an air pump that would fill it up and get me home.
	And I went to three different places and they're all fucked up.
	Yeah, the people... Thinks a lot of Biden, right?
	Exactly.
	I did this sticker.
	I always slap one on there.
	Well, Joe did it.
	And Hunter, too.
	Probably something with the laptop, I'm sure.
	Third chair!
	Third chair!
	We love them.
	They're the most important role of the Crowder Show, I think, you know?
	It's the voice of the people.
	Sometimes we get a little treat though, you know?
	We get the Popper Crowder.
	When he fails at booking, Popper Crowder steps in.
	Popper Crowder comes right through.
	Sometimes we're getting Steve's lawyer, half-Asian Bill Richman.
	Yeah, and I mean, I was doing a little bit of digging.
	He seems to be busy with this divorce thing.
	I didn't know that he was the divorce lawyer, but he's still part of the team, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It's like a TV lawyer.
	Where they're sort of like, they do all of the stuff, you know?
	It's like, I got a guy for that.
	It's always just... Half-Asian Bill Richmond.
	Yeah, Bill Richmond.
	He pulls them out of his pocket in the meeting.
	Oh yeah, my lawyer's here.
	He plays the song... You know, I don't remember which one it was, but you get the picture.
	So we got the lawyer, we got Crowder's pops, but mostly it's Josh Fierstein.
	Seems that way.
	And he's there now, right?
	He's a Dallas boy.
	Seems like he's moved to the Lone Star State.
	Every so often, however, the chips are down.
	Our new pals in the Mug Club stop in.
	Mug Club assemble.
	Mug Club assemble!
	We got Alex Jones doing the VO for that.
	Jesus.
	Yeah.
	Explosions.
	They got a nice little, uh... You saw Elon's tweet with the Panther running?
	That PS2 graphic that he dropped on Twitter?
	This is the voice of X. It kicks the llama's ass.
	It is very much a win app, absolutely, wow.
	We've got the Hodge twins, we've got Brian Callen, Nick DiPaolo, Alex Jones, and of course, how could we forget, the most sought after, of course, Mr. Guns N' Gear himself, straight out of South Carolina, Mike Guns N' Gear.
	Wild last name for your parents to have landed upon, Mike.
	I looked and I looked and I looked and I probably spent way too much time and it's probably out there right in front of me.
	But the Reddit, no one knows this man's last name.
	It's Mike Guns and Gear.
	Interesting.
	He's the guy who we're all here for.
	I think this is the first time that I've actually even looked at any of these websites.
	They're all kind of dog shit, Byron.
	I'm not surprised.
	I know that you've looked, but they just don't operate well.
	Like, the carousels, the pictures on there, they load and then eventually, like, after it shows you Mr. Guns N' Gear himself, it sort of just loads off the page and becomes, like, an empty hole.
	They're just WordPress themes with, like, a landing page.
	They're not great.
	Same thing with our Hodgetwins friends.
	Looking around, they're having trouble loading and I'm going to other web pages in the in the erstwhile trying to wait for them to load.
	I'm just like, is my internet a problem right now?
	What's Pitchfork talking about?
	Anything?
	8.0 or higher?
	What's going on?
	You know, I didn't even stick around to look.
	I just needed to make sure that I was having a normal time on the internet.
	And it seems to be the case, but just that all these Mug Club websites have to redirect the redirect in order for us to see any kind of, you know, Mug Club hosting from the mothership Well, you know they have to do that because their URLs are getting banned for their content.
	So they have to continually be looping around and having new URLs.
	That's why Alex Jones constantly is changing.
	He's to evade Google censorship.
	Not surprised.
	I'm glad that I said something because if there's anyone that has the insight it's you and I'm glad I'm glad to have you on my side for that.
	There you have it.
	Hodge Twins official site.
	It's just a storefront.
	It's selling a couple of t-shirts and what appears to be a six-pack of flushable wipes.
	Butt or body is the only question I have.
	I think butt.
	It says flushable wipes so I'm assuming that it's every plumber's worst nightmare.
	Sure.
	Is that you're buying the Hodge Twins branded flushable wipes and just getting rid of all 155 of them down your Toilet there.
	Hopefully you got a rental if you're doing this.
	They're called my wipes So I imagine this is some sort of Mike Lindell product that they are like drop shipping I don't know their most popular items that were pretty basic we the people 1776 flag shirts Trump mugshot shirts that say not guilty which is better than never surrender because it is a mugshot that is confusing and Rebellion is a duty shirt, Declaration of Independence signers t-shirt, which has all those scribbles on the back, looks real... No, it's actually in the front.
	It's just black on black, which is kind of pimp, if I'm being honest.
	Lots of great stuff.
	Ooh, they have a Try That in a Small Town shirt.
	Ooh, they got a Jason Aldean official who signed up with them.
	That's really sick.
	And then just the tip, I promise, but it's a hollow point bullet.
	Wow.
	Very cool.
	17 golden tickets for the flushable wipes though.
	And you can stack those double Patriot points like Alex Jones does and you get free stuff.
	Oh wait, those are giveaway entries which we'll talk about later on here.
	That's right.
	Well this one is for an F-350.
	That's a big ol' truck.
	Big truck.
	Big old truck.
	All you gotta do, flush these wipes.
	So you buy the wipes and you get the giveaway entries?
	Yeah, it's like Willy Wonka-esque, but it's Hodge Twins and the factory is kind of just a really arid blue room.
	Yeah.
	It's got a big echo to it.
	The audio quality is not great, but you know, that's fine because they're giving you a truck at the end of the day.
	And so speaking of, uh, arid echoey rooms.
	So here I am, I'm, I'm hunting for the Hodge twins uncensored.
	It all seems to be paywalled for about $3.99 and, uh, or of course with your Mug Club membership.
	Wait, they have multiple membership barriers for them?
	So if you go to hodgetwins.tv, I think it's called, or hodgetwinsofficial.com, there's one that doesn't seem to work.
	It doesn't redirect back to Mug Club or anything, but the main one, the .tv... It sends you to a YouTube membership page where you can become a... You can join and subscribe to them directly on YouTube.
	Interesting.
	And so for $3.99... That's a weird deal that Steven's got.
	That's a workaround.
	It doesn't seem right, but...
	You know, who knows?
	We've always said we want to see those contracts.
	Show us the contracts.
	We want to know what these boys are working with here.
	So $3.99 with the Mug Club membership.
	Their show in the club, Hodge Uncensored, which we'll be covering clips of today, appears to be about 20 minutes long on average.
	And they post about half of each episode for free.
	So that's what we're doing is getting a nice little smorgasbord of Hodge salad here.
	Delicious, I guess.
	I'll tell you what, it was a bit of a nice little break hearing from these guys instead of Steven.
	You can tell kind of more where the jokes are, but then also you can kind of tell when they're just giving it to you straight from the heart, and I don't think the two of them are too far off from each other.
	They're humorous guys, but...
	I don't want to get ahead of us too far but I gotta say these guys they don't seem terribly scripted and that might be a different perspective than we get with Steven who of course scripts everything and does like a run through of the show ahead of time.
	At 8 a.m.
	is running the first version of his show.
	At 9 a.m.
	doing the edits and at 10 a.m.
	going live for the people with the same show.
	Nothing like doing bad comedy in the morning.
	Twice.
	A hell of his own creation.
	But Gerald is really funny and Josh is always there.
	And you should really get these guys back on more often.
	Remember we listened to them and it was a whole, what, they talked for three minutes for the entire episode?
	The entire hour?
	Oh, it's an uncomfortable dynamic because they, and I've done a little bit of listening to the Hodge twins, I think their perspective is different.
	Again, this is not a match made in heaven and none of the Mug Club side characters really are.
	It is definitely a hodgepodge and I'm glad you said that because I think we're going to see where they align and where they don't.
	I think it'll be glaringly obvious where those places are.
	So let's take you on a little trip to Hodgetwinville.
	To do that though, sweet listeners, I'm going to have to take you all the way back to 1854.
	I know that sounds egregious, but just stick with me here.
	So there's the Whigs party in the North, and the Democrats are in the South, right?
	And so the Southern Democrats were in favor of this little thing called slavery, right?
	Westward expansion's going on, it's taking place over there, and the Whigs are divided on the issue.
	As expansion came for both Nebraska and Kansas, the wigs were split again on this issue of slavery.
	This dissolves the party.
	The brand new Republican Party emerges and endorses a policy of no more slaves.
	In 1860, Lincoln gets elected president and he promises no new slave states, babies!
	And he was a Republican, is that right?
	Yes sir, Lincoln, the first one, it would seem.
	This fractures the North and the South, the Southern Dems secede, and that's eleven states known as the Confederacy.
	And that, my friends, this is the Civil War.
	Brother against brother, uncle against nephew, I guess.
	Mothers are cranking, uh, you know, cast-iron pans over their nieces' heads, if you can believe it.
	So wild, the Civil War was so wild.
	Anyhow, this is a loss for the South.
	We all know this.
	This is the abolition of slavery nationwide.
	That's fantastic.
	In 1866, the Civil Rights Act happens.
	Lincoln is then assassinated.
	Damn you, John.
	We got Wilkes Booths in the booth, baby!
	Oh, fumbled the bag, Mr. Booth.
	But, uh, so then, uh, you know, Lincoln's gone, and all this government spending in the North during the war made a bunch of wealthy business owners who then decided they didn't really need to fight for black rights in a mostly white country.
	They didn't see it helping maintain their status as new, trademark, rich men of state.
	In 1870, they fully gave up trying to reform the South at all, and the white Democrats were left alone to marinate in their old ways.
	Their old, stinky ways.
	So jump forward 50 years and the Republican Party is effectively the party of big business, which if you've never heard that band, folks, this is a fantastic big business.
	Not bad.
	A lot of fun.
	I used to open up for him back in the day, like a decade ago or something like that.
	Anyhow, the economy, it's popping off, right?
	The Republican Party, they're doing great.
	They love the money, and it's all coming in.
	1920, 1921, they got money.
	1925, the money is even bigger, folks.
	got money 1925 the money is even bigger folks 1928 oh my god this give me that
	money 1929 Great Depression begins Damn.
	That sucks.
	What a bunch of dorks with your money.
	How about you pull your little bunny ears out of your pockets there, huh?
	You don't got any money anymore.
	Sure.
	You broke boys.
	Democrats sweep the elections.
	FDR is elected.
	He begins expanding the federal government to fight the depression.
	Republicans hate this one simple trick.
	And they still do, as a matter of fact.
	In the 50s and the 60s, the Civil Rights Movement takes place.
	In 63, one John F. Kennedy is assassinated.
	And in 64, after being sworn in, Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act into law, while his op, Goldwater, his name is, he opposed it.
	He says, this is government overreach, folks.
	Ah, wink, wink, wink.
	He says, wink, wink, wink.
	That's government overreach, all right?
	And so then the Southern whites are all like, Uh, yeah.
	Goldwater's right.
	Sure.
	It's about that, uh, yeah, the overreach.
	It's government overreach.
	It's just government.
	It's not racism.
	It's just, we don't like government overreach.
	And I didn't even have to say it.
	You said it.
	I, you're thinking it, it's about overreach.
	Okay.
	That's, that's what they're telling us.
	And we got to take them for their word.
	It's about overreach.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, Southern blacks were like, hey, wait a minute.
	These Democrats, they seem to have our backs.
	We've got Lyndon B. Johnson.
	We've got the rest.
	You had Kennedy.
	Yeah, you had Kennedy.
	Truman?
	Sure.
	I think maybe Truman.
	Anyway, they have their backs.
	Almost entirely all of them see this and start voting for the Democratic Party.
	Right?
	That's the big split.
	We're here.
	It's around like 1965.
	Folks, we're going to take a little walk.
	10 years later.
	Just a little decade here.
	Keith and Kevin Hodge are born September 17, 1975 in Martinsville, Virginia.
	What do you think about twins with the alliteration or like the same starting letter in their names?
	I've got family with kids and they've got names and I've got one cousin who names, she's got four kids.
	They all start with the letter K. There is an O for the fourth letter.
	They're all five letter names.
	Well, I think that they should be arrested.
	Yeah, they're people, you know.
	Some of them have real names, too.
	Let them have real names!
	That's all I want!
	If you can think of the fourth one, go ahead and tweet us that.
	Send us an ex, folks, if you can think of all four of these names.
	At Dan Crowder.
	And so, hey, the twins were raised by... Let's hear it in their own words.
	I was raised to be a Democrat.
	My mama always taught us to say, look, Democrats are for blacks, Republicans are for whites.
	She taught me that from as young as I can remember, five, six, seven years old.
	I remember we was watching the debate and then she always Up and down, she couldn't stand a Republican.
	What was her reasoning?
	Because she linked Republicans to racism?
	She was very naive when it came to politics.
	She had no idea that Jim Crow was by Democrats.
	She had no idea that the KKK was started by the Democrats.
	She had no idea.
	My mama's a good woman, but she ain't no shit about politics.
	You're going to tell us who that is, right?
	Later down the line?
	The person interviewing?
	Yeah, the one asking them questions.
	Is this on their show or is this someone else's?
	This is from the PBD.
	Ah, Patrick Bet David Show.
	Okay.
	That's, that's right.
	So, but actually I tried to search this down.
	He doesn't seem to have this on his, uh... It's not on his page anymore?
	No.
	Interesting.
	I wonder why.
	Hmm.
	I found this through somebody else's react video, actually.
	So their mom didn't know shit, right?
	Never mind history.
	Forget everything that I just said.
	Of course.
	The KKK is Democrats and Jim Crow is Democrats.
	Democrats as well.
	And this happened before 1975.
	So no, no, Keith and Kevin are right.
	Fuck the Democrats, basically.
	And they changed my mind just right now.
	Where are you at?
	I mean, I guess we could wrap the show up now, right?
	Yeah, it's pretty stupid for us to keep going, but I did prepare more.
	We could certainly keep going.
	All right, so then there's an older Hodge brother, no name given, but there's a third Hodge.
	They said that he's a Republican, and he would sprinkle little truth to them growing up.
	Big brother.
	They always denied that, but they eventually came around to asking themselves the hard questions, and that's what we just heard, you know?
	They found out, that's what I'm trying to say.
	They found out about the Democrats, and so they had to tell their poor mother about this.
	Break her dumb heart.
	Break her big dumb heart.
	Sorry, Mama.
	So they're trying to figure out what they're doing with themselves.
	They've tried careers together in finance.
	They did the Marine Corps.
	Semper Fi.
	I'm not exactly sure if it was just Keith or Keith and Kevin that did that.
	It seemed like they both did it.
	But if I'm wrong, feel free to reach out on that.
	Everything that I've read about them, they've done together.
	They're that type.
	Seems like it.
	They're very much the black conservative version of the Sklar brothers.
	Yeah, so after trying out careers together in finance, the Marine Corps, and insurance adjusting, which, that's fun, right?
	Yeah.
	The twins turned to YouTube.
	YouTube, I'm guessing, right?
	Actually, at that time, I was at my cubicle.
	Me and Keith had these jobs as insurance adjusters.
	Keith came to my desk, he says, hey man, you know what we can do?
	Let's be comedians.
	I'm like, fuck you, I'm busy.
	I got shit I gotta do.
	You talking about being fucking comedians?
	I thought you were gonna be an accountant.
	Meanwhile, while we was doing the YouTube, we didn't have much time to do it because we had a full-time job, so we would do it on our lunch break at work.
	When we got fired, we qualified for unemployment.
	Okay.
	So we had a year of unemployment to work with.
	And I would say like seven, eight, nine months into it, we started actually earning decent cash from it.
	And then by the time my unemployment was up, it was, we could just transition to just keep doing YouTube full time.
	Let's be comedians, Jared.
	Can we also do this, like, welfare queen thing?
	Yeah, honestly, let's take advantage of social systems.
	Okay, listen, hear me out.
	Okay, we do this thing, we do this, like, welfare thing, we get this money, and we do our show, okay?
	Byron, we shit all over this welfare system.
	We say, what the fuck is this?
	Why are we giving this to people?
	They didn't start out that way.
	There was a transitional amount of conservatism in their beliefs, I feel, right?
	That is true.
	And we will also forget our humble beginnings.
	That's what I'm trying to get at.
	Great point.
	We'll forget it.
	We'll get these welfare queens back to work.
	Welfare Kings here.
	Welfare Kings indeed indeed.
	Just a shout where that was from.
	This is the Flex Lewis Show we're listening to here.
	Dude, I didn't know anything about this, but he apparently is a former bodybuilder.
	That makes sense.
	He's got a big monster energy hat on.
	Yeah, and huge monster fucking biceps.
	Apparently he has this tattoo when he was like 15 when he had no muscles and then it wraps all the way around his arm because of how big his arms are now.
	Jesus.
	Really interesting character.
	Yeah.
	Pretty good.
	Yeah.
	It's a great name.
	It is.
	It's pretty solid.
	The Hodge twins, they take some improv classes.
	They begin answering relationship questions in front of their Android phones.
	Of course.
	Posting those results on their channel.
	Subjects like the difference between white girls and black girls.
	Interesting.
	How about, um, are girls turned off by uncircumcised penises?
	No one's ever asked this.
	I kind of want to know.
	I didn't really stick around for an answer on that one, but I might have to go back to it.
	In addition to answering questions like this, answering questions for women about penises, on the behest of women about penises, They're also telling tales of how they would use their twinning to rip off grocery stores, which is kind of fun, and then pull other, I am sure, hilarious pranks on unsuspecting people.
	Have you seen their eating in car videos?
	They were like fast food review vloggers for a little bit, too.
	I don't know if you caught that.
	No, no, I didn't.
	Did they do videos with that little distinguished gentleman guy who does them?
	The Report of the Week?
	Of course not.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I wish they had.
	I love that guy.
	Running on Empty Food Reviews!
	That guy, he's wonderful.
	But no, they didn't do anything with him.
	However, a friend of mine did something with the Hodge twins before they went full conservative twins.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, did a handful of shows in Los Angeles.
	He's a stand-up comedian now, fairly successful.
	Go check out Mike Falzone.
	Hey!
	He's got a great show called Surrounded.
	It's a Facebook meta program that the second season is hosted by Lil Ray.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, he invented this.
	It's fun.
	Check him out.
	Great guy.
	But when he got was like just getting his start doing stand-up, he was billed together with the Hodge twins because they were both quote-unquote YouTube comedians.
	I'm sure down this journey we'll discover just how good of comedians the Hodge twins are and you know where that road may have ended for them.
	Yeah, so eventually the twins, if you can believe this, they hear about a little guy, little daily wire Ben.
	Literally little guy.
	This small man, Ben Shapiro.
	That's where I got my start too, but we just had different trajectories.
	Things took a turn for the worst.
	And so they started listening to Ben Shapiro.
	I remember when we first came across, uh, I didn't know the difference between a liberal and a conservative.
	I came across Ben Shapiro, right?
	I remember he was on Piers Morgan's show that was going at it.
	Guns.
	Yeah.
	It was NRA.
	Second Amendment.
	Yeah.
	So I was a back crazy liberal at the time, you know?
	So I'm like looking at Ben Shapiro and I was like, oh man, that white supremacist, he's got an answer for everything, you know?
	And then I found out that he was Jewish.
	It's like, wait a minute.
	How can a white supremacist be Jewish?
	Those two don't go together.
	Yeah.
	So I started listening.
	Then after I watched Ben Shapiro, even though I hated everything he said, everything he said made sense.
	I just love the line of questioning how could anyone be anything if what they're standing on is, I don't know, some sort of religious background or something like as if that doesn't happen in All these other white supremacists that have Bible quotes in their Instagram bios.
	Sure.
	I don't know, Keith, but I'm glad you asked.
	Anyhow, Ben Shapiro, who has nary a funny bone in his body, has occasionally come out, you know, guns blazing.
	He's in good company.
	Steve, you know, just like the rest.
	Stating things like, the next race war will come not from racist whites, but from racist blacks and Hispanics.
	In regards to Arab, Ben has said, they like to bomb crap and live in open sewage.
	Important to also note that in 2017, it was reported that Alexander Bissonnette, who pled guilty to six counts of first degree murder and five counts of attempted murder for the Quebec City mosque shooting, He had visited Ben Shapiro's Twitter feed a total of 93 times the month leading into the mass shooting.
	It doesn't really seem like he was following along Ben's family for his little Hanukkah traditions.
	Wait, they keep track of how many times you visit these people's Twitter?
	This is not good for me, Jared.
	I'm also confused by Keith asking this question.
	How could a white supremacist be Jewish while a black guy is being racist?
	You know and that black person is him.
	There's not a mirror in front of him Byron.
	He's talking to other people.
	That's a good point.
	You know, we all know it's hard to look at ourselves and look at the way that we picture ourselves in the world and the world around us.
	I don't really know what I'm trying to say.
	Anyway, Ben Shapiro folks.
	The twins, having talked a few times about health and wellness on their AskHodgeTwins show, began to pivot to fitness YouTube.
	And the fans couldn't get enough of those gains, baby!
	They also, just throw this out there, accused of juicing quite a bit.
	Either way, physically substantial, kind of jacked.
	They're like 6'4", and I mean like cut out of stone, these guys.
	And their beards continue to get sharper and longer as they get more and more conservative.
	And honestly, I don't know.
	You've seen some early videos at this point.
	Their accent is getting more and more Southern as the show goes on.
	It truly has.
	Yes, it truly has.
	It's wild.
	It's incredible.
	This is like hard for me to like wrap my head around this, that they're actually this popular.
	Something like 2 million subs on the new channel.
	Who are these people?
	Yeah, it's like, what, like, how did, how does this happen?
	The internet is a freak mistress, right?
	But 2 million subs on this new channel.
	They began gracing the covers of fitness magazines and guesting on, like, pretty popular podcasts like The Fighter and The Kid.
	Of course, Brian Callen and Brendan Schwab, is that it?
	That's right, yeah.
	We'll talk more about them on a later episode.
	Of course.
	This leads to over 5 million subs between their channels, the Muscle Twins, or I'm sorry, Twin Muscle, Ask the Hodge Twins, or just simply Ask Hodge Twins, and Conservative Twins.
	Yes, the Conservative Twins.
	We just saw this video, it was on YouTube, where this kid was sitting in a Whataburger, I think it was in Texas, and I guess he's wearing the MAGA hat, and he went up to the guy, took his drink, threw it in his face, and took his hat and left, so we decided to do a video on it.
	We was just gonna do that one video, and we put it up on Instagram.
	We lost, I would say, around 20,000 followers that day.
	You shouldn't be attacked for wearing a hat.
	If somebody was wearing an Obama hat, you shouldn't attack that person just because you don't like Obama.
	Everybody sees that hat is the new symbol for the KKK.
	So, but anyway, we got pissed off that it pissed off so many of our fans and it was like, I'm unsubscribed.
	I'm not watching you guys no more.
	So I said, you know what?
	Fuck you motherfuckers.
	So we just kept doing the political videos because I was like, I don't want these people's following us.
	I was just pissed off.
	I was ready to commit career suicide, right?
	I didn't give a shit.
	We had no idea it was gonna take off the way it did, because now we're more popular than we ever have been, you know?
	Honestly, don't touch someone while they're at Whataburger, right?
	Like, no matter what hat they're wearing, it's a place where people go to enjoy some of the best burgers burgers in America. You're gonna get a bunch of strawberry
	Fanta just thrown in your face. You're gonna get a Dr. Pepper milkshake thrown
	on you like you're Andy Ngo. Come on. Sure. No one wants to look like Andy Ngo.
	Yeah like a real asshole.
	What a stinker huh? I thought what was interesting though is that like when he
	said that the hat was like the KKK hat. Yeah. Which like what is he saying it
	makes him look like a freaking Democrat?
	I guess.
	That's pretty bad.
	Now, absolutely loaded to the brim with knowledge of the past, present, and future political landscape, the journey into conservative commentary was ready.
	The Hodges make big strides in their videos, but also big controversy.
	In 2020, Kevin and Keith were major dissenting voices on the right about the Black Lives Matter protests and originated some of the most shared Facebook posts about BLM.
	Later, and this is a huge surprise folks, they made videos about hating transgender people.
	Come on.
	This might be the tie.
	Their sugar cube in the mug that is the club?
	Perhaps?
	The door's cracking.
	They guessed it for a long time before they became official Mug Club announced members, but...
	We don't really agree on much, but this issue.
	Their videos about hating transgender people resulted in the banishment from at least one
	Tallahassee venue, whose general manager said, "...the venue does not object to the Hodgetwins' humor,
	just their hateful content."
	So fast forward, we've got plenty of views.
	Guest spots on the Trump-affiliated news shows.
	A little sweetie we like to call Stephen Chowder starts having these chums on his little show.
	Louder than Crowder.
	Louder with Crowder.
	Whatever.
	That brings us up to date mostly.
	Let's have a listen to some of the free and newest Hodgwin's Uncensored for the Mug Clubbers.
	Kevin starts us out helping us understand what's wrong with the black community.
	Let me come at it from a different approach.
	I'm going to take a different angle.
	I'm going to come around on your ass.
	Now, there's a lot of people that's being manipulated in this world, right?
	A lot of people.
	Everybody's being manipulated.
	Why does it affect the Negro so much than other races?
	Because everybody, we all living in a matrix.
	Life is a big game.
	Why does black people have it so hard in this country when they following the same rules?
	Playing the same scenarios.
	Playing the same game.
	Playing the same game.
	That's a lot of people that's been, uh, that had it hard in life, and they rise, and they make something out of themselves.
	Yeah, look at me and you.
	Look at me and you.
	Two Negroes.
	Why was we able to accomplish success in America when so many people haven't?
	I'll tell you why.
	Why?
	It's the same reason why there's a lot of poor white people.
	It's a lot of poor black people.
	It's a lot of poor Latinos.
	I think there's a lot of poor Asian people, but don't quote me on that.
	But I'm sure there's a poor Asian guy out there somewhere.
	There's gotta be.
	But the only reason why they politicize the American Negroes' problems is for political gain.
	All that talking, you state novice.
	Thank you.
	Captain novice.
	Yeah.
	But it's not mainstream media's fault.
	They got a business run.
	They've been indoctrinating people since the beginning of time.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	I don't even know where to start.
	I feel like they could start.
	It's just classic, they get so close to the point.
	They're dancing on the edge here.
	They're asking some good questions.
	It's true.
	Why were they able to do the thing?
	Why aren't other people able to do the thing?
	Why do black people have it so hard despite playing the same game as all of their peers?
	Great question.
	They were almost there.
	You know, really, I think that these BLM protesters I mean, this is where they get it right, okay?
	That these BLM protesters take it too damn far, and then they're burning these buildings down, they're looting, then they're rioting.
	Unmask you in your Andy note.
	I've got milkshake just coming out of my eyes.
	Just leaking out of your mask, yeah.
	They get so close, they kiss it, they kiss the edge.
	If this was Tony Hawk, this was a 36,000 point turn into a hamburger slide into a ketchup grab.
	I've never played that, I guess.
	With tricks like that, I don't know which one you're in.
	You're hitting the hodge salad on the way down and you just don't let the buttons go and all of your rings shoot out.
	Bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling So we understand this is our first glimpse at their show here and so sometimes they're showing us a video.
	I'm going to show you this video.
	These black ladies are using all the same jargon, lingo.
	Yeah, dummy.
	Vernacular of the typical woke negro.
	Yeah.
	And look how they treat this white woman.
	I mean, what's this?
	They're dummies.
	They can't help it.
	They don't, they're not dummies.
	Oh, they dummy.
	No, they don't, they don't have, they don't have the capacity.
	Vote for Sleepy Joe Biden.
	If you are not up in arms about what the LGBTQ is doing, if you're not up in arms about in California, New York, where they just take away people's right to defend themselves, if you vote in line with that, you stupid as hell.
	I mean, I think you're stupid and stupid.
	I haven't seen this video.
	It's definitely not even worth looking at.
	Look at how they treat this white woman.
	When they show this video, the white woman in question is probably like five years old.
	Oh, okay.
	And she swipes what appears to be a comically large foam sandwich, maybe like an Italian, out of the hands of this little black girl, who is the other person in this video they're speaking about.
	This girl is probably, I'm sorry, this woman is probably three.
	Wait, these are children?
	Five, yeah, five and three.
	Wow.
	But they described her as a white woman, so I will as well.
	Sure.
	So they're in a shared play area.
	It's like a surrealist kitchen.
	I assume it's the black girl's mother taking the video and narrating.
	When the white girl snatches the sandwich from the black girl, the mother says, don't you snatch that from her.
	Don't do that again.
	There's an edit here.
	And then we hear the mom say, yeah, knock it down.
	As her daughter pushes over what can only be described as a 500 ounce coffee cup from a foam countertop.
	Frustrated, the white woman keeps picking up the pieces and yells at the black girl to stop, the mom says, and Karen's just gonna have to deal with it.
	What the fuck?
	That's the video in question here.
	What is the video?
	Yeah, it's just two kids playing in a shared play place and one kid is knocking down the shared foam sandwiches and cups.
	I think what's, you know, what starts all of it is the white girl, the white woman snatches the sandwich, the foam sandwich, the foam Italian sandwich from the black girl, black woman.
	Oh my God.
	She snatches the sandwich out of the girl's hand and the mom's like, don't snatch that out of my daughter's hands.
	Don't do that again.
	That seems to be what kicks this off.
	The younger girl is just knocking down all the big foam cups, the 500 ounce coffee cups.
	It looks like maybe it's supposed to be a coffee shop, like a surrealist coffee shop, a surrealist kitchen of some kind.
	That's the entirety of the video.
	And I imagine at some point this went viral and that's how it eventually ended up on this conservative twins program.
	Taking the morning brown for a, you know, a flush and just getting immediately outraged because you got on TikTok first thing in the morning.
	Yeah.
	And we're very familiar with this style of content.
	So they go in, they're watching this.
	It sounds like I'm trying to change the subject here, but I gotta just ask you, what do you think about voting for Democrats?
	You gotta do it, I guess.
	I mean, like, okay, so you have to vote for the Democrats.
	Do you think that there should be a punishment?
	If I don't?
	No, for voting for the Democrat.
	Do you think that there should be a punishment for that?
	I guess I hope not.
	For me, I would say, isn't that punishment enough?
	You know?
	It doesn't feel good.
	I think your voting rights should be taken away.
	Oh, shit.
	I agree with Socrates.
	Remember Socrates?
	They did away with him?
	Yeah, they killed him.
	Because why'd they do away with him?
	They killed him because he said not everybody should have the right to vote.
	It's a privilege.
	Yeah, it's a privilege, right?
	If you're dumb and intellectually you're not there, you shouldn't be having an impact on other people's lives.
	Exactly.
	So they killed him.
	Like, you take a mass murderer.
	Should he have a right to vote?
	He's killed a bunch of women.
	Should he have the right to vote?
	No.
	It's a conflict of interest.
	He might not look out for women when it comes to... Like rapists, they shouldn't be... Yeah, they shouldn't allow to vote.
	You know?
	Why should we allow somebody to vote when they don't know how to read?
	What are you saying, Kevin?
	There's a lot of... See, you racist.
	You know why?
	Because you tried to say black people can't read.
	I didn't say that.
	I didn't say that at all.
	See, see, there's a lot of people that don't know how to read.
	They shouldn't know how to vote.
	They shouldn't be able to vote.
	You see what I'm saying?
	What?
	If you don't know how to read, if you don't have a basic understanding, if you're not rational, if you don't have basic reasoning and logic skills, you shouldn't have the right to vote.
	Yeah.
	That goes for black, white, brown, women.
	But that's the thing, there's a lot of people that can read, got Harvard, Yale degrees, Yeah.
	Dumb as a box of rocks when it comes- They're not dumb, though.
	They're just manipulating the stupid.
	You're scratching your head.
	Yeah, I feel- Tell me what you're going through right now.
	The use of the term rational from two conservative people who appear to be talking about something they've never thought about before live, they shouldn't be arguing for people's voting rights being taken away.
	I'll just say that.
	What about the YouTube video?
	Weren't they just talking about a YouTube video?
	Hmm.
	How are they gonna bring these two things together is, I guess, weird allegory.
	This guy is just murdering women out there.
	Yeah.
	So felons aren't able to vote.
	They aren't.
	You're right.
	If you're a convicted killer, you can't vote.
	So then, and then rapists, when the law actually works out.
	I think that's also a felony, right?
	Felony.
	Huh.
	And what's happening there?
	Not voting.
	Can't vote.
	And people who can't read, then people are not rational, they shouldn't be able to vote.
	So that's the question.
	No matter how much I disagree with someone, I don't think that they shouldn't have the right to vote.
	You know, I don't think that we should be a Christian nation.
	That doesn't mean that I don't think Christian people should vote.
	I think you're right.
	Listen, I've got dissenting voices in my ears right now, and it's got me just questioning a couple of things, but one of them is, what do they mean by rational?
	Like you said, Keith is about to keep laying it down for us, I think.
	See, black kids today, they think destroying means play.
	Kevin, stop.
	That was a good one.
	You need to stop.
	Man, that was a good one.
	You know how many white subscribers I'm gonna get?
	Man, you gotta check these two boys out.
	They be talking down in these deep rooms.
	Thank you.
	Did you hear the mom?
	Yeah.
	Calling the little white girl that she's playing with for Karen.
	Yeah.
	She's been indoctrinated, you see?
	She's been programmed.
	She'd been downloaded that software for the Negro.
	To think a certain way.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And that's just, it just... Yeah, you know what that looks like?
	That mindset is just destroying the black community.
	No shit.
	AK, let me tell you something.
	No thanks, Kevin.
	Yeah, let's pass on that.
	This is in 11 minutes or something like that.
	They make us watch a video.
	Look how they treat this white woman video about two children.
	Then they say, if you think that voting for Democrats is good, you need to be looked at, like you need to get your brain checked.
	It's not rational to be voting for Democrats.
	If you are, that means you're irrational.
	And that means that you're raising pigpen children who don't know how to play.
	They only know how to destroy.
	That, Byron, is the mindset that is destroying the black communities.
	Hodge twins out.
	Drop the mic.
	Boom!
	Well, I mean, honestly, it sounds like they're dropping their mics the whole time.
	Audio quality is shit.
	It's so... I mentioned at the top, but... Well, I've seen them.
	They don't use headsets.
	They just talk into microphones and kind of slam their big arms around as they do it.
	Not only that, too, but whatever outlet that they're using for their recording, their Zoom recorder, what have you.
	Yeah, I wasn't going to comment on that in case the clips that you pulled were causing that interference.
	No, no, no, no.
	They're just like holding their cell phones up to their mics and all the interferences coming through the wires.
	It's crazy.
	It's nuts.
	This is a show that you can pay $3.99 for.
	It makes me think that we should be at least charging like... Well, when we drop the Shrug Club, we gotta be doing at least $4.99.
	$4.99!
	Check it out baby that audio is clean!
	It's crisp and I guarantee it.
	So that's our first show and as you can get a good feeling in your psyche and your hearts and your minds and you're ready to take another bite.
	But before we do that I also want to say that while this is happening they're just running huge ads at the bottom of the screen for our flushable wipes and our truck giveaway.
	The lower third is crazy.
	But honestly, Jared, it's a pretty nice truck.
	It is nice.
	It's a 350?
	It's a 350.
	It's a 6.7L turbo.
	I, you know, because I've seen Steven promoting a Ford Raptor giveaway around the same time, I did a little bit of digging into the company that is, I don't know what exactly they're doing, but they are attached to these giveaways, these big truck giveaways for Steven and the Hodge twins.
	It's a company called Bigly.
	Go Bigly?
	Possibly?
	Yeah, gobigly.com.
	I went to their Instagram and it's the Bigly Boys.
	I don't know what this company does, but they're, they're kind of bad news.
	They do e-commerce, unique promotions, customized online stores, rapid prototyping, websites, and, uh, channel marketing strategies.
	So I don't know what exactly they're doing, but they're doing it for Steven and the Hodge twins.
	Bigly boys get rich.
	But how could you take money by giving away a truck?
	I don't know how it works.
	Here's the first thing you gotta have, Byron, an imagination.
	Second thing you gotta have, Byron, rich dad.
	That was gonna be my guess, is very rich dad.
	Very cool.
	We got another day of Hodge?
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've got, uh, it's just to say these are all from the last like two and three weeks.
	These are all relatively new episodes here.
	And this is something that you and I like to engage with every once in a while.
	We love to hear about the Manosphere.
	Don't get me started.
	When these Manosphere guys, Byron, when they have that Christian flair on them too, that's when we start getting into real freaking business.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Of course.
	We love it when they're talking to women especially.
	I thought it'd be fun to see how our boys Keith and Kevin, how they decide to approach this one.
	Even though I'm Christian I don't push my faith on nobody else.
	I live by the Constitution.
	I believe.
	So what you're saying is you're liberal but when it comes to voting you're conservative.
	No, I'm not liberal.
	I'm not even close.
	I'm not conservative.
	I'm actually liberal.
	Conservatives want to hang homosexuals and get rid of them.
	You know that, right?
	Dude, they do not.
	They do not want to hang homosexuals.
	Do you read the comments on some of these posts?
	They're keyboard warriors, man.
	Dude, nobody want to do that.
	I'm telling you, there's a lot of conservatives who can't stand no damn homosexual.
	They can't stand them.
	So this is a homosexual.
	Look, y'all see that?
	Y'all know that's a homosexual, right?
	I don't know.
	No, I mean, there's that element within... Yeah, I'm just saying, for me... I mean, you can find that element on both sides of the political aisle, actually.
	I'm just saying.
	You can just find... Oh man, liberals still can't stand homosexuals either.
	They're not down with all that glory hole election?
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying I'm not liberal in any, by any special measure.
	Yes, you are.
	You are liberal.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not liberal.
	Don't say that.
	Just keep slamming my fucking hands against the mic.
	Later on, I had to take out a whole minute of them slamming their hands into the mic.
	It's irritating.
	Like, like rubbing, rubbing the pop filter and stuff.
	It's something that I was going to save for the end, but I don't think these guys know what the fuck they're talking about.
	I don't think they know anything about politics.
	The biggest grifters out of everyone that we talk about.
	These guys are the worst.
	And it's so transparent.
	It's so wild, right?
	I do appreciate Keith's pointing out that anytime you look at Facebook, specifically conservative Facebook, you definitely do see quite a bit of this, like, especially when it comes to like trans people, the most horrific takes on probably some of these people's neighbors and stuff.
	So that he's pointing it out is funny to say the quiet thing out loud, but I do appreciate it on that end.
	But I don't necessarily appreciate what's about to happen, I guess.
	No, Kelvin, you know what a liberal is.
	You're confusing that with being progressive.
	Liberal, like Ronald Reagan, if he was alive today, that's a liberal.
	He's a conservative.
	That dude would be liberal today.
	You think he'd be voting for Joe Biden?
	You know he gave amnesty for a bunch of illegals?
	Do you actually think he would vote for Joe Biden if he was alive?
	Hey Kevin, are you listening to what I'm saying?
	Are you listening?
	You remember what Reagan did?
	He gave amnesty to a bunch of illegals.
	By today's standards, that's not conservative.
	That's a traitor.
	Look what they was going to do to Pence at the Capitol.
	They was going to hang Pence.
	For what?
	Nothing.
	Probably because he's homosexual.
	I won't take any of this goddamn Ronald Reagan slander.
	Call him a lib?
	Call him a lib?
	He's the king, baby!
	Make America great again.
	That was him.
	That was him!
	Oh man, we love Ronnie Reagan in this household.
	You know, I used to have a boss at this job.
	I worked for about a year and a half.
	Needless to say, he and I didn't really get along.
	We didn't see eye to eye.
	The day that I got called upstairs to check out his office, I had to go get something from him or something like that.
	I've never been up there.
	Walk in, he's sitting behind this gigantic like oak desk or whatever.
	Mahogany!
	Behind him, this like six foot presidential oil painting, gold frame, Ronald Reagan.
	You gotta respect that though.
	That's a classic move.
	It is huge.
	It's old school.
	Like I walked into blank checks.
	Yeah.
	His dad's room or something like that.
	I don't know.
	I don't agree with it, but I mean I do appreciate it.
	That is a choice.
	When Trump won, that guy wore like a red tracksuit and served chocolate cake and champagne all day to everybody except for the libs because they didn't vote for Trump and he knew who those people were because it was very obvious.
	Oh, well, yeah.
	That's very obvious.
	Oh, you got a nose ring?
	Because of all the heartbroken, sad people, too.
	That's exactly it, yeah.
	A show with the mascara running.
	Oh, no cake for you either.
	How about that?
	I guess no cake, yeah.
	I mean, I don't know who Ronald Reagan would have voted for.
	I don't think that that's what one of the Keith or Kevins was even talking about, but... Well, Joe Biden doesn't have my vote.
	See, he just said it right there, folks.
	Oh, wow.
	That's incredible.
	Get out of here, Reagan.
	Okay, I'm gone then.
	Back to hell.
	Wonderful.
	I mean, honestly, I guess we don't have to prepare shows.
	If we can get two million to listen just by us fucking talking nonsense into a mic slamming our mitts on the table.
	If we could do fart noises, that's funny.
	Yeah.
	Like in our armpits.
	Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Wow.
	Reagan's not a lib.
	Yeah, no.
	He's hard right.
	You know who else is hard right?
	I can't imagine.
	Might be Kev.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Mean, you are like liberal.
	No, I'm not.
	Yes, we are.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm hard right.
	You ain't no hard right.
	I'm hard right.
	Hard right is gay bashing.
	Hard right is gay bashing.
	That's far left, ain't it?
	What?
	Pfft.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Why's everything negative got B4 right?
	Everybody knows if you... You know what?
	I'm starting to think you're some kind of plant or something.
	Like don't put it out.
	Like why are they putting this out on the internet?
	Because people paid $3.99 for this and then they also paid like $12 or whatever to watch The Brothers Mug.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	They're not hard anything other than really ripped.
	Having a hard time making it coherent.
	Show!
	Any kind of statement worth making.
	So when Kev says, I thought that that was the Democrats or whatever.
	I thought, I thought Libs were the ones that were gay bashing.
	I think he was trying to set up someone for a bit.
	It's more KKK's Democrats.
	Sure.
	That's what he was trying to, that's what he was trying to trigger.
	Harkening back years to a years old interview.
	Great.
	Anyway, let's hear our Manosphere guy.
	Get that Joker music pumping through.
	Do you feel comfortable if your father was watching your OnlyFans and subscribing to it?
	Probably not, no.
	You would not feel comfortable, and I'll tell you why.
	That's because in your heart of hearts, in your soul, if you still got one, you know it's wrong.
	That's your work.
	In my work, if my mother consumed my work, I'd be thankful and pleased that she took an interest in my work and supported my work.
	If she bought my products, I'd be thankful.
	If your mother or father bought your products, you'd be disgusted and ashamed because you know what you're doing is wrong and the product of what you're doing is bad.
	OK, he's Christian.
	He's gotta be.
	Yeah.
	I would look her up, but I'm Christian and I can't go check her out.
	But I'm sure the way she looks, I'm sure her work is not bad.
	I don't even know who she is.
	I feel so bad for her, I'm gonna go out and try to find her OnlyFans and support her.
	You know why?
	Because I believe in freedom of speech.
	You believe in freedom.
	Yeah.
	This sounds familiar, Jared.
	This is Marquette the Saint, the same guy that we were talking about during WhiteWalsh.
	I can't believe I didn't catch that, honestly.
	Back-to-back Marquette the Saints.
	You guys are very lucky.
	I mean, he's talking the same shit.
	He just gets an OnlyFans model in a room and yells at them.
	He tries to shame them into thinking it's a bad profession.
	And he says, if your dad took part in your work, you would be disgusted.
	It's like, come on, man.
	It's not for her dad.
	It's just, it's a wonderful finger point accusation.
	If your dad subbed to your OnlyFans, you would be disgusted with yourself.
	Okay.
	Thanks Marquette.
	But so then Keith makes a joke here actually, and I didn't put this in here, but he says, you know, it actually would be weird if her dad subbed to her OnlyFans, but it would be less weird if it was her stepdad.
	So smart.
	These guys are great.
	They actually, like, start getting a little... their opinion here is surprising.
	Not super surprising, because we knew from the one time, like, literally, like, the two minutes that we heard them on the Crowder Show, some of the stuff that they said on there, and we were trying to follow along, and, like, we didn't really understand what they were saying, but it seemed... They're pro-infidelity, it seemed.
	Yeah, that's right, that's right.
	But then also, they were just out of pocket on their pro-sex, like their sex paws.
	They're pornography positive, too, it seems.
	Which is a few and far between these days with these guys.
	Not for their host, but for their host Steve, I should say.
	But anyhow.
	Best $5.99 I ever spent in my life!
	Hey, look!
	Look, I think OnlyFans is actually empowering to the woman because she don't have to go and be susceptible to any emotional harm or injury.
	That's empowering, huh?
	Yeah, she's got it on.
	It belongs to her.
	She does what she feels.
	She does what she thinks.
	I wouldn't use the word empower.
	Shut up!
	Wait a minute.
	She does what she thinks is comfortable.
	It's her life.
	Yeah, you show up to a porn shoot and say, hey, we're going to do anal and then we're going to do some ass to mouth and all this.
	You might have to do something that you're not comfortable with.
	But you have your own OnlyFans.
	You dictate what you want to do.
	Yeah, you're your own producer.
	Yeah.
	I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing.
	I mean, it's meant for adults.
	Yeah.
	And it's covered under freedom of speech.
	Yeah, that's like... A lot of people don't like porn because they say it's a slippery slope.
	Like, I've had to battle porn.
	Man, I've watched probably 10 million scenes.
	I am just fine.
	I've probably watched maybe a trillion hours of porn and ain't nothing happened to me.
	Wow.
	I didn't know that freedom of speech covered the right to do something, isn't it?
	I think everything's permitted unless it's a call to action of violence, Byron.
	We've heard so much about this.
	yeah basically porno is section 230 and more or less like what that mouth do and what those lady humps do that's yeah that's freedom that's and I agree I guess.
	I agree too.
	Kev is woke.
	I think Kev's a woke lip.
	Earlier I remember he was saying that he was far right but now he's kind of a woke lip.
	Seems that way.
	Kevin, a little bit more sex positive than Keith, and you know, Keith really kind of does seem to go and agree with Kevin's POV.
	Keith goes on to say something about he wouldn't want his daughter to do porno, which I think is fine.
	I mean, that's a preference you can have, but when she's an adult, she can do whatever she wants.
	Do whatever she wants, indeed.
	But yeah, his argument was like, look, I have plenty of resources that she doesn't need to do that.
	And while that may be, you can't be in charge of everything.
	Sometimes that sort of thing just happens.
	People like doing that.
	Kevin seems to be cool with people doing that.
	Really, Kevin's final words on this was sort of surprising.
	I don't think we should be like, I don't know.
	Disparaging women because they want to do something.
	That's the world's oldest profession.
	You know why?
	Because there's a market for it.
	Hell yeah, brother.
	I agree 100%.
	Kev's woke, I'm woke, you're woke.
	Don't disparage women for the choices that they make with their bodies.
	I think that we can all agree on that.
	I think that's a very fine message too.
	Put over in Mugville.
	And this is the same 10 minute episode where they were talking about how Ronald Reagan is a lib?
	That's correct.
	You heard right.
	Conservatives want to hang homosexuals.
	Ronald Reagan is a lib.
	Ronald Reagan had a problem with them saying that.
	Kevin's hard right.
	Turns out that Kevin is actually like pretty woke.
	Pro sex worker.
	They don't.
	Well, and at least Keith doesn't.
	Kevin says he's on the fence.
	I think we kind of know where he's at with it.
	They don't want to eradicate gay people.
	They're lib enough to admit that they're fine with gay people being around, or at least they don't want to advocate for that.
	So maybe we have a little potential here, right?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Definitely can see why Steven might not want to associate with these sex positive freaks.
	How heavy is the sip Crowder is taking with these guys?
	You know?
	Will the sunset cast shadows on their way out of Mugville?
	Or will it be closer to casting spells?
	Like Harry Potter on his way to Turf Central Station!
	Yeah!
	Got a new show for y'all.
	Got a damn good show.
	See, this is what the left wants.
	The whole ideology of the left is moving society away from objective reality.
	I'm going to give you a perfect example of this.
	Watch this video.
	You haven't seen this.
	I've seen this.
	We got another video?
	Yeah, and hey, trigger warning.
	You may want to skip forward like 10 minutes or something here if you don't want to hear this.
	Unfortunately, I thought our boys were figuring I'm figuring it out in some way and I guess I got lost in the story we're telling here because it definitely, it ends here folks.
	This clip really shows that they have some kind of understanding of the human sexuality as a spectrum.
	Seems like they kind of get that.
	They just are very daft about how they go about it.
	In doing that, they reveal some very inside baseball thinking.
	How the sausage gets made.
	How the Hodge ideas are pan-fried to their audience.
	So we're shown here a clip from the No Jumper Show.
	That's Adam 22's show.
	A lot of people taking shots at this show.
	I mean, I don't know if I would go to bat for Adam22, but I'm kind of confused about what is triggering all of the right to focus in on Adam.
	Maybe it's because he's like more sex positive.
	Yeah, I think that's probably got to be it because he's talking to a myriad of people.
	I never really look at it or anything.
	It shows up on my feed every once in a while and I might like catch like a moment of it or something but sure.
	Today's clip Adam 22 is talking to a transgender OnlyFans model named Ava Villan and her boyfriend.
	In the clip Adam asked the boyfriend if anyone's giving him shit for dating a trans woman.
	He says yes but the real friends made it known who they were.
	Adam asks if there is any weirdness starting to date a trans woman.
	He says not really and he doesn't see himself as gay.
	Adam asks if his parents thought it was weird and the boyfriend says yes but his mom is a Christian but so she's delusional anyways.
	Yeah so um so your mom's delusional because she's Christian?
	Listen, you know what I'm saying?
	Listen here.
	You don't know what you're saying.
	You're dating a guy that's presenting himself as a woman.
	Does that make you gay?
	It makes him less gay.
	Wait a minute.
	What?
	I mean, you gay.
	You gay as hell.
	Right.
	But, I mean, you just a little bit less gay.
	I see what you're saying, but follow what I'm saying.
	Shut up and follow what I'm saying.
	No, follow what I'm saying.
	Let me do some talking.
	Relax.
	Let me do some talking.
	No, listen.
	If you gay and you laying down with, let's say, Hulk Hogan.
	Yeah, you gay as hell.
	But if you lay down with somebody and it's not Hulk Hogan, it's one of them, you know, you can't tell, then you just like...
	You're still gay, but you're less gay.
	Interesting.
	They're getting somewhere, which is, I mean, further than a lot of other people would, I guess.
	Yeah, I think just... People in their position, of course.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Like I said, allowing themselves to just sort of open up and show you what's inside the brain here.
	They're doing some thinking.
	I mean, maybe that's what this show is.
	It's just kind of raw, unfiltered thinking through a concept.
	And sometimes they get close.
	Pontification twins.
	We'll pitch that to them.
	That's not a bad name.
	Not bad.
	I mean, they're still wrong.
	They're still stupid.
	But they understand a spectrum of sorts, right?
	Like, they're listening to this clip, they're reacting to this clip, and they're seeing, you know, this transgender person.
	The Hulk Hogan versus the ones that you can't tell.
	That's an invocation.
	I think the focus on the ones that you can't tell, right?
	Like that in itself, I think, is sort of the entire crux of this problem that conservatives have with transgender women, specifically.
	They don't really talk about transgender men, like they did with Elliot Page.
	Sure, or the Nashville school shooter.
	Sure, sure, absolutely, 100%.
	So because no one ever really talks about that side of it, like, where is this stemming from?
	Because any other person, they're like, that's fine, that's just a regular person, but...
	The moment you are, I guess, questioning your gender or feeling dysphoric, that's when you become like a target for them, right?
	And why is that?
	Like, what is behind all that?
	Seems to be at least part of it right there.
	The ones that you can't tell.
	And just to say, Keith follows with all that.
	He tells Kevin, you know, man, there's levels to this gay stuff.
	Look, look, look.
	Like, if I see a ladyboy, right?
	Let's call them ladyboys.
	Right?
	And he's presenting himself as a woman.
	I don't know that's a guy, but I'm attracted to him.
	Yeah, I'm not gay because he's presenting himself as a woman.
	You're gay if you, um... Shut up!
	Now, if I get to know this ladyboy, and I don't know she's a guy, and then she say, hey, before we get serious, I gotta let you know something.
	I got a cock and balls.
	I'm a ladyboy, right?
	Now, if I start dating her, and having, you know, relations with her, giving her a reach around, That's where you cut the clip.
	There's not much else that you can get out of what he says for the next couple of minutes there, anyhow.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Kev agrees with Keith.
	If I can't tell, I'm not gay.
	They kind of get it, right?
	It seems like they kind of get it.
	Like, there's levels to this gay stuff, Byron.
	It's so frustrating.
	We want to address the ladyboys thing.
	Yeah, don't love that.
	Don't say that.
	They pull that one out every once in a while.
	I don't know what...
	I think they think it's funny it's like a mid 90s comedy thing that they're probably trying to rip off.
	I think they watched something with like uh is it Vietnamese?
	Thai.
	Anyway they watched something with that from the whatever podcast I don't know if it was just like fresh on their minds or something like that is why he's bringing it up we don't cover that on this episode obviously but Kev just saw it straight on his face there.
	If I can't tell, it's not gay.
	This seems to perhaps be something that has happened to him where he's seen a transgender woman and has said, all right, and then realize after the fact that this person is trans, right?
	I don't know.
	He doesn't necessarily say if that like makes him feel any kind of way or whatever, but I think acknowledging he could potentially have an attraction to a transgender female is, it's interesting, I think.
	How he reacts to that, I think, is less cool, but also, I don't know, it's just, it's very strange to, like, hear conservatives talk this way about this type of person.
	Yeah, the amount of commentary that I've heard from a handful of different people has lowered the bar so significantly that any acknowledgment that gender might actually be, you know, a spectrum and something that you can affirm.
	I don't like that he includes the fact that, you know, Passing is a thing that matters.
	The fact that he even accepts that is kind of interesting.
	Mm-hmm.
	Pardon my excitement because I listen to hateful bigots all day, but like they're closer to something than a lot of other people.
	Do you remember when we were saying earlier in the first show clip that they have this tendency to almost get it?
	Yeah.
	They keep kissing the surface, hitting the rim with their little fingers before they're able to really just dunk that ball through the hole.
	And this is our final clip for the night.
	This is Keith D. Nye, the science guy, and he's going to explain away the gay.
	See what I'm trying to say.
	Here we go.
	For most of us, you're not born straight or gay.
	Very few.
	This is anecdotal, what I'm saying, but this is what I feel.
	Most of us, Not gay or straight when we're born. There's very few of us
	that are either born completely straight or totally gay very few of us but your sexuality is like a it's like
	Like what it's like a program Like your brain is the computer and your parents and how
	you were Raised it downloads this program. Yeah, and that's how you
	see that and that and that Establishes your sexuality like most of us are straight
	because that's how we were raised. There was a stigma placed around homosexuality
	Thank God. I wouldn't want to be a homosexual These guys are so fucking dumb, it's crazy.
	Isn't it wild?
	Just Keith going off the rails.
	He just wants to tell Keith that he's... What you're trying to say, Keith, is that you're a product of your environment.
	Not the direction I wish that conversation was going, I guess, but...
	No, but also I don't think that's how it is either.
	As a cis white head male.
	Sure.
	I don't think that that's how it works.
	But nah.
	The first part of what he was saying was like touching something.
	They keep cleaning the cube as it were.
	Tony Hawk's flying down the street in his little Toyota.
	Tony Hawk again.
	And all the homies are grabbing on the back.
	They're skitching.
	Christian Slater's there.
	They're shooting I think through like a bay window or something.
	But if this were the Hodge twins, they're kissing that bay window and they're just wall grinding right past it.
	A little glean in the cube talk for the homies out there.
	Kevin stops and says, uh, what you're trying to say is you're a product of your environment.
	If you were adopted by gay people, two dads or two moms, majority is going to be homosexual or at the very least be bisexual.
	And then he goes on to say, and this is both of them, they point at the camera and they said, but you know what?
	Be proud of that.
	Be proud of your homosexuality.
	Helping that girl bust is nuts.
	In reference to the transgender woman on the Adam 22 show.
	Again, be proud of that, but let's misgender somebody on the way out of this as well.
	The entire yin and yang of the Hodge twins.
	They're both yin.
	There's no yang to them, really.
	And because there's no yang, they can never really catch the next step of where they're trying to go here.
	And I think Oddschwins, that's enough from y'all.
	What are your betting odds that they're going to be returning on Mug Club after this break?
	Which I did get an announcement and went live today from Steve in a 20 minute video where he kind of rambles on about the reason that he wiped his Twitter.
	It's his hashtag clean slate initiative, which I think is probably just something also known as destroying evidence, maybe?
	Yeah, I was going to say is like this.
	Has to be with something.
	Something to do with the divorce trial.
	But you know, you know the lawyer's got pages, Steven.
	Rambles for about 10-15 minutes about the algorithm is the new enemy of the year.
	He is coming back on the 22nd, which is 11 days from the time of recording.
	Very excited to see, honestly, what Mug Club has in store for 2024.
	I don't know if the Hodge twins are coming back, but Jared, I really appreciate you giving us a background on these boys.
	I hope we get another opportunity to take a peek at them in third chair.
	Yes, we'll come back to them if they're still around.
	I think it's pretty obvious, and frankly, they seem to have been doing fine without the mug club anyway.
	Even if Steven did drop them, I think they'd be okay.
	They're going to land on their feet.
	They're going to pose heavy.
	They're going to flex.
	It's going to be a new day, and they're going to be just fine.
	I, and I really think that maybe just get, get off of this conservative garbage, you guys.
	Just eat a Wendy's triple baconator in your car.
	Just do that again.
	It's kind of fun.
	Yeah.
	You know, who, who horn-swaggled who here with the Mug Club?
	That's what I want to know.
	Maybe they felt like they needed to ingratiate themselves to Steven's, you know, t-shirt tucking, semi-realistic American flag tattoo, forearm-having, under-the-nose selfie-taking audience to take them to the next level.
	But I really don't think that that's the case.
	Wow.
	Jared, again, thank you so much.
	Next week, we're going to be back talking Steven.
	Dennis is going to be in studio with me again.
	But until then, you can reach out to us on social media at Van Crowder on Twitter.
	Join the unofficial Louder Than Crowder Reddit.
	RLOUDER__THAN__CROWDER.
	That's correct.
	But until next week, for Jared.
	Have a good one.
	I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	See that?
	Which one?
	The Baconator.
	Baconator?
	Yeah, what comes on your Baconator?
	Mayo, ketchup, cheese, bacon.
	No mustard, right?
	Okay, um, I'll take that plain with no ketchup and no mayo.
	Okay, and a combo?
	Uh, just the sandwiches.
	What else?
	Yeah.
	And, uh, that'll be it.
	You're looking at $7.36.
	Alright, thank you.
	You got two of them, right?
	You wanted four?
	I wanted two sandwiches.
	Oh, two sandwiches.
	Yeah.
	Alright, thank you.
	Baconators, huh?
	Baconators.
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