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Feb. 2, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 20: FREE SPEECH, BROTHER (JANUARY 22ND, 2024)

It's New year, bad them, as the boys return to set. The Crowder drought must have really gotten to them as the find some seriously disgusting talk, "refreshing", before playing the right-wing immigration hits. This stinks. But at least it's kinda long. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	I'm joined tonight by the big, handsome Jared.
	Oh, thank you.
	And the other big, handsome Dennis.
	Hello.
	Someone call me that.
	You're the biggest handsome.
	What's that supposed to mean?
	King handsome.
	Alright, breaks over, new season, fresh start, clean slate.
	It's obviously doing really well.
	Did you guys confuse your family members when they went to look at your page and they realized that nothing was there and then they call you and they're like, where's all your stuff?
	And you're like, Not to worry, Mom, I'm on that hashtag clean slate.
	I haven't confused any family or friends.
	I also didn't participate in Clean Slates.
	Yeah, no, I didn't do that because that's a bunch of bullshit.
	Well, and it doesn't seem like any of the other Mug Glovers did either.
	Alex Jones didn't.
	Nick DiPaolo didn't.
	Yeah, no, of course they didn't.
	It was only Steven, oddly enough.
	Only the guy currently going through a divorce.
	Weird.
	And it doesn't seem like he's...
	The only tweet that I've seen him delete in the past few days has been the first one announcing Clean Slate.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's really strange.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Maybe we don't do it now, huh?
	Yeah.
	I don't have enough juice.
	It seems like it's failing to launch and that's okay.
	The show however, January 22nd, it's a Monday and the boys are kicking it off with a bang!
	We've got shocking revelations like Dana White likes free speech.
	What?
	Ron DeSantis dropped out of the presidential race.
	What?
	And Barstool Sports is now utilizing a new platform.
	What in the Portnoy?
	And now we've got ourselves a second tease for Mug Club's undercover investigation.
	Nice.
	It's big.
	You are going to publish this in any event, and I am telling you that if you do that, you do it at your power.
	Website designed for the explicit purpose of sexually exploiting children.
	There are fewer evils greater than the abuse and exploitation of innocent children.
	There's a very strong likelihood that we get sued for putting the story out, but we're not going to stop.
	And I am advising you in the strongest possible terms not to publish such a thing.
	Wow.
	That sounds intense.
	I told you it was big.
	I'm glad they at least licensed the music.
	I half expected to hear an, audio jungle.
	Yeah, sure.
	Interesting.
	It was a tough decision to not cover the pedophiles who is Hero 121.
	I think it may have been irresponsible to, I mean, we all watched it.
	You, Dennis, Jared.
	It could very well be his downfall.
	It quite possibly could be but I guess briefly They reverse email search an account from a list of users of a child porn forum called rapey.su Tie it possibly to an employee of black which I might be Yeah, no, I would say that they they find alleged records that it's linked to somebody and Yeah.
	What's interesting about it is that they say that who that person works for doesn't matter to them.
	However.
	But they're only going after that one person.
	Yeah.
	I think the most interesting thing to me is they pulled back the curtain on the process of the Mug Club investigative unit.
	Yeah, it's really in-depth is what I found.
	And by in-depth I mean like kiddie pool depth.
	Okay, well they are using the most advanced research tools, Dennis.
	Okay.
	To find out the owner of this email address they used Spokio.
	Okay.
	Ben Verified.
	That's like an exclusive one you have to have PI clearance for.
	You pay about $9.99 each for one single run.
	So like a Mug Club subscription or two?
	Possibly.
	Truthfinder, more of these exact same websites where people just like... They're all fed from the same data.
	The phone book, they use the yellow pages.
	Oh, they did do whitepages.com.
	Yeah, it's I mean all the kind of website that like a jealous ex-boyfriend would use to keep tabs on a partner or something.
	Yeah, I want to say that I use that just to find out how old my friends are.
	Really?
	Find the true age of your friends?
	Yeah, that's all I use it for.
	I look at you guys as net worth.
	Nice.
	Also in this 30 minute investigation after Gerald painfully recites the names and results of over a dozen of these.
	So many.
	So many.
	The Mug Club Undercover team nervously calls and confuses both the accused and then talks to the lawyer who is pretty annoyed and short with him.
	Understandably.
	It's really interesting to see the shakeout from this.
	Like the comments when people are like, she passed it straight off to her lawyer.
	She's obviously guilty.
	She's like a busy woman that makes a lot of money.
	She's a busy wealthy executive who says, I don't have time to deal with this bullshit.
	She said, let me, let me call you back in like two minutes.
	And then it's the lawyer.
	I thought she was going to call us back!
	He's like, this is her calling you back.
	I mean, I don't blame her one bit.
	So I think that this entire thing is the most reckless, quote unquote, investigative journalism I've ever seen.
	Well, yeah.
	It does nothing good.
	They think that they're like exposing somebody, but they're just exposing that somebody used that email address to log in.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, we will talk so much more about it next week because... So I've just received word that BlackRock lawyers Have sent a notice to Rumble and our site hosting company requesting that our recent investigative piece be removed, citing all kinds of infractions or issues that they view to be serious.
	And look, we here at this show, this company, take this very seriously.
	I know that Rumble takes this very seriously, and we are going to give this a lot of thought, mindful prayer, and issue.
	Our official response on Monday, so bear with us, please.
	We could talk more about it, but I think we'll just save it all for Monday, right?
	Let's talk about the little face he makes at the end.
	Yeah, he makes like this like... I honestly thought he was gonna rip up the thing and try and be a tough bro.
	Do the Pelosi, yeah.
	Bust the lighter out, start it on fire.
	He sounded a little scared, if I'm being honest.
	I think he did.
	I think that this did not get the same traction that the Nashville Manifesto thing did.
	No, I did a news search for Crowder today before the show.
	It didn't get him anything.
	There's nothing there.
	And he hyped it up in a way that it was supposed to be.
	He wants to use these to springboard himself into the spotlight.
	That's why I like this entire video, which is like his watermark huge over it so nobody could screenshot it.
	Sure.
	But yeah, I'm curious to see what Monday will bring.
	I'm curious to see how long it is until the video gets taken down.
	I told you the boys were kicking it off with a bang.
	Yeah.
	And I meant it, Dennis.
	Okay.
	Things really get cooking with a six minute long parody sketch.
	Great.
	Based on a scene from the 1992 film, Glen Gary, Glen Ross, which I almost mistook for Boiler Room.
	I've never seen either of them in their entirety.
	Yeah, well.
	I can go out there tonight, tonight, the materials you got and get 15,000 new Mug Clubbers tonight in two hours.
	Can you?
	No, you can't.
	Can you?
	Go and do likewise.
	A-I-D-A.
	Yes, YouTube hates you.
	Yes, Meta hates you.
	BlackRock hates you.
	For fuck's sake, the DOJ hates you.
	And that's a good fucking place to start because people are still out there, signing up on Rumble for your free content, looking for you to fight for them and join Mug Club.
	Get mad!
	You sons of bitches, get mad!
	Because you know what it takes to sell Mug Club?
	It takes hand-etched, hand-painted balls to grow Mug Club.
	Go and do likewise, gents.
	Mug Club's for closers.
	No, I'm okay.
	Hand-etched, hand-painted, that's a reference to the mug.
	Okay.
	It's one of the selling points of this, you know, wonderful piece of ceramic.
	Does he claim that his mugs are hand-etched and hand-painted?
	That's what he says, yeah.
	And they're not.
	Not by him.
	Well, he says that they're done in the United States, but the mugs are made in China, so...
	I'm not ordering unetched mugs.
	That's what he's saying.
	Shipping them to Texas and then he's got a guy with a lathe or whatever.
	If anyone who listens to us has one of the mugs, can they send us a picture?
	There's a handful of people who said that co-workers at their offices show up louder with Crowder mugs.
	It's pretty interesting.
	Snatch one.
	Send it our way.
	Yeah, please.
	Take a picture of them.
	Preferably with their fedora on.
	Oh my god.
	You remember the black guy that convinced people to turn over KKK robes?
	I vaguely remember that.
	We should have a wall of Mug Club mugs from people who turned them in when they realized that Steven's a bigot.
	It'd be like a graveyard of shitty beliefs.
	I like it.
	I like it too.
	I don't like the tone of this episode so far, though.
	Six minutes is too long for a parody.
	It is too long, but also it's one of those things where it's like, uh...
	I can tell they think they're cooler than they are.
	Oh, sure.
	You know, they think that they're the guy giving that speech, not the one getting yelled at.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's like a room full of, uh, what's the guy from Falling Down?
	Michael Douglas as William Foster.
	It's just a bunch of William Fosters in a room.
	Did he at least do like a first place, second place, you're fired kind of a thing?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like first place, Stephen's gonna put his hog on your shoulder.
	And then second place gets like a Louder Than Crowder booty shorts.
	Jared, we gotta retire all of that because... It's a clean slate, I forgot.
	It's a new era.
	It's a new era!
	It's a new era here at Mug Club, Rumble, Louder Than Crowder, some big announcements.
	And you know, hit the like button, share, all of that, because we did the clean slate campaign.
	A little bit fewer clips and promo and social media algorithms.
	We will be relying on you.
	You either want to be here or you don't because we make it worth your while.
	We aim to serve you.
	And tomorrow, major hidden camera, Mug Club Undercover release, where we will be tied down with legal fees.
	But we'll do it anyway.
	Let's manufacture some victimhood, boys.
	What was that one about?
	What part?
	The hidden camera?
	Was that the pedophiles?
	Yeah, that's what they were.
	There was no hidden camera?
	Yeah, the people on the phone didn't actually know that Steven was watching it.
	Yeah, because he had a clip in there where someone was visibly putting in their password pointed at the camera.
	Yeah, what was that about?
	So weird.
	The clean slate thing though, a little bit less traction.
	Fewer clips?
	Yeah, it sounds like he's like Hey, I ran out of marketing money, so I'm having you do it.
	Yikes, but I don't think it's working.
	I've searched the hashtag on Twitter and most recent ones are, it's, it's, no one's participating.
	No, it's just a few people who are saying I'm deleting everything and other people who are like, new year, new me, clean slate.
	I mean, there are some people that did do it and that's who he's asking a question of.
	So my question is, how has your life improved since the hashtag Clean Slate?
	I know a lot of you did this.
	I actually was confused because I looked at a bunch of friends who are followers and I'm like, there's nothing on there.
	Oh, Clean Slate!
	It's like when the power goes out and you forget.
	You're like, I guess I'll just, I need to go.
	Why is the light switch?
	Oh, the power's out.
	Surprised yourself?
	I'm just going to go microwave some popcorn.
	Son of a- That's what always happens.
	Weird that he's still on social media after telling everyone else to get off of it.
	He should be the last person who's stumbling on- Yeah, and he's just browsing around aimlessly like, what's Gerald doing?
	Looking over at him from his desk and then looking at his Twitter page to see what he said.
	I'm just gonna look at a few people that he's following real quick.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's a private account.
	Can't see that one.
	Oh, that one's got plenty of stuff still.
	This one has too many yoga pants on it.
	Oh, plenty of stuff still.
	Yeah, I didn't see a single one who deleted everything.
	So, Stephen, I think you might be fibbing a little bit.
	Yeah, that's okay.
	Nothing to be nervous about.
	However, Gerald, Captain Morgan himself, he used to feel... Is he a boy guy?
	Nope.
	New Year.
	Same guy.
	New Year, same guy.
	Gerald's, you know, it's the first episode back and he's a little nervous.
	Why?
	Yeah, always nervous when you come back.
	And by the way, these breaks aren't breaks.
	Oh man.
	We've got more hours in, I think, during break.
	Undercover investigations coming out and new content, new shows.
	You just can't do it all at once.
	And boy, the legal fees.
	Only because they said they were going to sue us is what we're saying?
	Yes.
	They sent us a letter the day.
	It was weird.
	I don't know how it got here.
	We can't tease too much because then when you see it tomorrow, you'll be like, oh, well that makes sense.
	You're going to die.
	Wait, hold on, me or you?
	All of us.
	Dang it.
	This is gonna be Skynet with you rattling the fence.
	Jared, didn't you do a reference of that exact same thing last week?
	I did.
	I was gonna mention, because we seem to be on the same wavelength with a couple of things here on this episode.
	But yeah, I mentioned Alex Jones.
	Every time he shuts his eyes, that's what he sees.
	Gripping the fence, yeah.
	He definitely did sound nervous.
	It's funny, they mention the legal fees, they mention that they're getting sued.
	And they imply that it hasn't happened yet, like it happens immediately if someone sues you?
	No, yeah, of course.
	It's a process of stern request to stop doing what you're doing.
	Yeah, yeah, it comes later, guys.
	Followed by ignoring that or turning it up.
	Just as far as timeline and record stuff, wouldn't they have gotten the cease and desist?
	Within a week?
	Like last week or something?
	Honestly, all I know is that they're manufacturing victimhood, and it's, uh... Well, we're getting sued because we're dumb, and we knew that this was probably going to happen, so this did work for Alex Jones.
	Well, and it's so significant, they're the target of potential assassination attempts.
	What?
	He's like, we're dead.
	That's who he was making reference to last week when, uh, you know, if, if something should happen to him, go ahead and show the show to his daughters so they can watch his dad fall apart in real time.
	Yeah.
	Well, it happened, folks.
	What happened?
	The third chair reveal.
	We had guessed that some folks might not be returning after this winter break.
	It's still early.
	And, you know, Jared put in a lot of work on a profile of the Hodge twins, of course.
	We're gonna touch on a couple things here today.
	Yes, sir.
	And when you hear this, that means that you know who's in third chair.
	It's not who, but Who, plural.
	They, them.
	They, them.
	It's the Hodge Twins at Conservative Twins and of course you get their Thursday show, their full show exclusively on Mug Club.
	Keith, Kevin, how are you, sirs?
	We're good, man. Life is good.
	Life is good?
	It's been a while since we've been here.
	Thanks for helping us out.
	Thanks for the enthusiasm.
	I love that Steven is such a piece of shit that no matter how they behave, he's going to make fun of them.
	Last time they were on the show, he yelled at them for being, you know, too crass or too loud or being too themselves.
	And then they're like kind, nice and polite.
	You guys haven't been here in a long time.
	What the fuck is up with that?
	And I was like, thanks for the enthusiasm.
	I totally forgot that they actually did come out to We Will Rock You.
	That is their track.
	I totally forgot.
	Really, really cool.
	Can you think about that one, License?
	I'm very curious to know the licensing rights for shows like Louder with Crowder or Alex Jones because there's a ton of those as well.
	Like a lot of mainstream songs on Alex Jones' program as well.
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure how it works.
	I don't know how that works.
	No enthusiasm though.
	No.
	Low enthusiasm.
	Low energy.
	One of my major complaints about the Hodge Twins was the quality of their operation.
	They use like single earbuds.
	They obviously don't listen to monitoring levels of their vocals.
	No.
	They slam their mitts on the table and bump the mics.
	They're seemingly unprepared at most moments, but good news for me, their operation is expanding.
	Oh nice.
	Well, you guys have a new studio you're building right now, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so their show's been off for just a little bit.
	They're building a new studio.
	Should be back really soon here.
	We'll announce it as soon as it's ready to go.
	I hear you guys have a pretty good guest.
	Oh yeah.
	Pretty good.
	Why don't I know anything?
	I don't know.
	Because you're a narcissist.
	Yeah, maybe you don't care about them.
	You don't pay attention to anyone but yourself, which he's got a lot going on.
	Who cares?
	Gerald to take care of that for you.
	He is the CEO.
	Gerald's the CEO?
	Yeah, he's the CEO after they went independent.
	He's now the CEO of Ladder with Crowder.
	Yeah, what's a lot of what I was called him a lot of with credit as a name.
	What's Steven's like?
	Is he even c-suite or what?
	I'm not exactly sure of his position Was he just a talent?
	It might be a legal strategy to remove the company from being an asset.
	Okay.
	All right I don't know.
	It seems like they're paying for the Hodgetwins to get a studio.
	This is the brewer money.
	They're passing the brewer bucks onto the Hodgetwins, which is kind of sad.
	Let it rain.
	It's interesting though too, Brian Callen on a Fighter and the Kid podcast recently, I didn't pull the clip for this, they were talking with Adam22.
	Things got a little heated and Adam22 said that Brian's boss is talking shit about him and Brian said, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's just my friend and I do stuff with him sometimes.
	He's like even embarrassingly distancing himself on other programs.
	Oh boy.
	Who knows when Brian Callen's off?
	I have heard a couple of his other like independent podcasts that he's done that are technically like the relaunch that's attached to Mug Club, but we'll see who's dropping out, but I'm surprised that the Hodge twins returned.
	That's for sure.
	Yeah, me too.
	Nobody else is around, maybe.
	Where's Josh at?
	Josh is not there.
	He's not in studio today, but and I don't know who was the guest.
	I guess Tuesday was pedophiles.
	Wednesday, I'm not sure who the guest was.
	They might not have had a guest.
	I don't know.
	Josh is probably laying low.
	Maybe he's doing comedy.
	It's what comedians should be doing.
	Yeah, there's a there's a bunch of new comedy stuff going on in Dallas actually.
	Speaking of comedy, today's the day that Nick DiPaolo's special actually comes out.
	Falsely announced it is last Friday.
	Yeah, what's up with that?
	Well, it's dropping at midnight tonight and it is not just stand-up.
	It's also it's it's pulled interviews from other podcasts or late-night shows.
	No way.
	Like he's done?
	Yeah, and they're releasing that.
	Like a DVD special features?
	I guess, I don't know.
	He doesn't have enough original content to make an actual special.
	Yeah, I do remember seeing a clip of him from like 1991 and he's like, just riding my old pass, you know.
	Beaked in the 90s.
	One of these days we'll listen to a Nick DiPaolo show.
	They are painful.
	I bet.
	He's not a funny man.
	The one thing, I saw one clip where he talked about how he was hallucinating about his wife leaving because he wanted her to leave so bad or something.
	Wow, okay.
	I would hang on to her because she seems tolerant and also fully crazy.
	Believes in conspiracy theories.
	She passes them on to him, so I don't think he's gonna do much better.
	Nice, okay.
	Yeah, she's like TikTok-pilled, right?
	Totally TikTok-pilled.
	Steven, he's looking fitter than he has in the past.
	He's been lifting, for sure.
	Yeah.
	And he, I believe, trains in martial arts, or at least he did before his surgery on his chest.
	However, he doesn't really seem to care about fight sports or UFC.
	Oh, sure, sure.
	That is, unless they're involved in culture war.
	Oh yeah.
	The UFC, you know, sports is, it's usually a silly thing.
	It's usually a bad place.
	It's funny to me when you see NASCAR, you see the NFL, and they're really trying to appeal to the woke.
	One exception, the UFC.
	This may not be your sport, I get it, but the president, Dana White, who used to kind of tow the line, has decided he's going to let his freak flag fly, and he defended his fighters and their ability to speak freely.
	And here's the thing, he defended them at a press conference this Saturday in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, which is a horrible place where dreams go to die.
	You obviously give a long leash to your fighters about, you know, what they can say.
	When they are up there with a UFC microphone and you are getting into territory of homophobia, transphobia, like, is there... I don't give anybody a leash.
	Well, I'm saying you... A leash?
	Free speech.
	That reporter would like it.
	Control what people say.
	I'm going to tell people what to believe.
	I'm going to tell people I don't f***ing tell any other human being what to say, what to think, and there's no leashes on any of them.
	What is your question?
	I was asking that question.
	I'll move on though.
	Yeah, probably a good idea.
	That's ridiculous to say and give somebody a leash.
	Free speech, brother.
	People can say whatever they want and they can believe whatever they want.
	Free speech, brother.
	Free speech, brother!
	Free speech, brother!
	Nice! I'd watch that show.
	I mean, I don't know how I feel about that.
	Dana White, I guess, can do whatever he wants with his athletic league.
	Yeah, of course.
	I mean, he owns his league.
	If somebody says something that's bad for the league... I think if he wants to be responsible for that, I guess that's up to him.
	Totally, yeah.
	And, I mean, if for some reason there was this big, like, boom of UFC fighters who were, like, saying super racist shit or super... Or just weird stuff like conspiracy theory.
	I found a clip.
	Stephen didn't talk about this.
	This I found independently.
	There's some investigative journalism?
	Not really, just more like a club.
	I guess technically if we're going with that standard.
	This is a scoop.
	I found something on Twitter.
	This is a big deep scoop.
	Do you know much about Joel Bowman?
	No.
	To all those doubting my NFT, you're looking at the guy that's the reason that college athletes and high school athletes are getting paid today.
	Mr. Influencer to influencers.
	Secondly, Jimmy Kimmel.
	Viral this.
	I fight to eradicate childhood malnutrition from the planet.
	And until they release the flight logs, you, the mainstream media, Hollywood, are all pedophiles to me.
	eat dick. yeah. am i- Amicancelledyet.com!
	What is amicancelledyet.com?
	I don't think it is.
	Is that a website?
	Amicancelled... Or is he just shouting .com as like a catchphrase at the end?
	Fight tickets, concert tickets, and streaming shows.
	A domain that is available to purchase.
	Amicancelledyet.com.
	This guy, he's obviously playing off of the accusations that Aaron Rodgers had towards Jimmy Kimmel, implying that Jimmy Kimmel was on the Epstein flight logs that were going to be released when they did come out.
	He obviously wasn't.
	There's a big beef between the two, and especially since they're both owned by Disney, like ABC, and then Aaron Rodgers was on the Pat McAfee Show, which is on ESPN.
	It was messy, but this kind of stuff is sloppy and also speaking of leashes this Joel guy in his post fight Discussion that we just heard it's wearing a collar and bondage.
	Okay.
	What's his name?
	I have to look at this Joel Balman I don't know much about this whole thing with Dana White stance on free speech but I think if Dana White wanted to be like Hey, uh, if you're gonna be fighting for the UFC, you probably can't say homophobic things or racist things or... We could listen to the homophobic things that were said.
	That were in question?
	Yeah, this is a reference to some stuff that Sean Strickland said.
	This is just more confusion around where freedom of speech has its jurisdiction, so to speak.
	This is a post-fight conversation that he had with some Canadian journalists.
	And this is a rather long clip.
	Sean Strickland is a fighter.
	He lost a very close decision, but this is a guy through and through who, he might be a little bit crazy, which makes them a little bit nervous, but speaks his mind and he's afforded that ability with UFC.
	This is a bit of a longer clip, but I think you need to see what this guy is all about and see how refreshing it is.
	Sean, Neil Davidson from the Canadian press.
	Welcome to Canada.
	Oh, congratulations.
	The Canadian press, man.
	Were you a COVID bank account stealer too?
	Are you left-wing or right-wing?
	Were you a Trudeau?
	We got one of the commies with the press.
	We gotta know where this man stands.
	Are you non-biased?
	I think I lost the questions here.
	Oh yeah, he thinks you lost it.
	Oh, we f***ing know.
	Maybe I should just pass on this motherf***er.
	He's gonna go back and f*ing give my bank account information to f*ing Trudeau.
	We've got a pretty supportive gay and lesbian community in this city.
	I did want to ask you about something you said a couple weeks ago.
	Watch his tone shift.
	You said if I had a gay son, I would think I'd- Oh look, another- another- I'm saying the swamp, you guys, the swamp.
	You become a champion, you become a star, and some would say Let me ask you something.
	Are you gay?
	I'm an ally of the community.
	Are you gay?
	Can I get an answer?
	Well now I'm asking, this is a part of the question, are you a gay man?
	I'm an ally of the community.
	Okay, if you had a son and he was like, you know, you had a son and he was gay, you'd be like, oh man, you don't want a
	grandkid?
	No problem with it.
	Well, dude, you're a weak f***ing man, dude.
	You're like, you're part of the f***ing problem.
	You elected Justin Trudeau.
	Like, when he sees the bank accounts, like, you're just f***ing pathetic.
	And the fact that... Pause it really quickly, too.
	We're going to continue with this, but here's the thing.
	Yeah.
	I should mention something, though.
	During this interview, he is wearing a campaign-style t-shirt that says, a woman in every kitchen, a gun in every hand.
	Sean Strickland, 2024.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	The fact that they find this refreshing... Yeah, I was glad that you... It's like me enjoying drinking gasoline.
	You caught that.
	Yeah, what the fuck, man?
	That's... You think that that's maybe what was in that sippy cup of Monster Energy?
	I bet I know what he's drinking.
	He does seem a little inebriated, if I'm being honest.
	I wasn't implying that, I was just making a joke about what I'm currently drinking.
	I am, I'm gonna say that he probably is.
	But here's the thing, that guy was just a guy trying to do his job and he just shits all over him.
	Well, we're not done hearing that.
	He understood enough here.
	This isn't just, hey, MAGA!
	He said, hold on, are you a gay man?
	He knew the question was being framed.
	You can see his eye line shift.
	You can see the intensity of his stare shift where he goes, oh, a guy's bringing up a tweet from two years ago.
	This is what we're going to do?
	And then he decides to, all right, let his, let his hands go figuratively.
	Let's keep watching because he gets pretty earnest for a moment.
	He goes, okay, hold on.
	Let me laser in on a point.
	And I don't think that I've heard an athlete do it as sincerely as he does here at the
	end of this clip.
	F*ing backbone and has he shut down your f*ing country and seized bank accounts?
	You ask me some stupid s*** like that?
	Go f*** yourself.
	But I did want to ask also things you said about the trans community.
	You said this past October when they announced the Bud Light sponsorship that you'd go so
	hard on Bud Light in your next fight they'll have to accept me or denounce me when they
	know what they stand for.
	This guy's like, this Canadian's not that Canadian.
	Here's the thing about Bud Light.
	Ten years ago, to be trans was a mental f***ing illness.
	And now all of a sudden, people like you have f***ing weaseled your way into the world.
	You are an infection.
	You are the definition of weakness.
	Everything that is wrong with the world is because of f**king you.
	And the best thing is, is the world's not buying it.
	The world's not buying your fking bullst you're f**king peddling.
	The world is not saying, you know what?
	You're right.
	Fking chicks have dks.
	The world's not saying that.
	The world's saying, no, there are two genders.
	I don't want my kids being taught about, you know, who they could f***ing school.
	I don't want my kids being taught about, you know, their sexual preference.
	Like, dude, this guy is a f***ing enemy.
	It's f***ing freedom.
	We still have it in America.
	We'll teach you about it.
	You guys don't have f***ing freedom of speech.
	I'm surprised what I'm saying.
	It's probably gonna get f***ed.
	I'm probably gonna get the f***ing Canadian government to arrest me.
	I don't give a fk who you fk. I don't give a f**k what you want to do in life.
	But, but don't f**king tell kids about it.
	Don't teach that st in fking school.
	Don't don't f**king push your agenda.
	Don't try to f**king brainwash people.
	Don't try to go past parents.
	Don't try to go up past all this st and brainwash people you fk.
	Little bit different from gimmickry, look.
	So funny.
	It's hilarious.
	Funny and refreshing, the whole thing.
	So refreshing.
	At the end he talks about like, I don't care what you do, you know, fuck who you wanna fuck, blah blah blah blah blah.
	And then literally like moments before he called that person an infection and that everything wrong in the world is because of them.
	They'd say that.
	What kind of cognitive dissonance is that?
	I gotta say, first of all, I think that something is profoundly wrong with him.
	He's got a history of abuse from his father that I think kind of elevates whatever is coming out now.
	Totally.
	He had an interview recently on Theo Vons this past weekend podcast.
	Okay.
	Where he said his father was on drugs, a lot of drugs.
	I remember I used to sit there and just hug my mom's leg in the kitchen.
	We had this little nook and she would go there and I would just sit there all night long by the feet of my mom and my dad would go like, I'm going to fucking kill you.
	I'll never forget he would talk about burning her face with acid.
	I mean that's heavy stuff.
	That's super heavy stuff.
	I was gonna say that I thought actually he did pretty good for like a sentient cauliflower here.
	He has one that is really far out.
	Does he?
	Yeah.
	And then in that same Theo Vaughn podcast he had like a minute-long breakdown where he just kind of sat silently crying with Theo.
	It was without context I was like damn like that is really like an interesting human moment.
	Totally.
	But then he talks like this?
	Probably because of the way he was raised.
	I think he has this like deeply profound lack of understanding of strength.
	Sure.
	Like strength as a physical thing is one thing, right?
	But he clearly just wants to abuse this person who's asking him questions.
	The questions he's asking obviously they're gonna be about what he's talking about.
	I think he's confused though.
	He thinks he's protecting people.
	Something that he desired as a child.
	He just needs to go to therapy to have a better understanding And more empathy.
	Stephen and him are completely oblivious to the real challenges that are facing people in the trans community, or the gay community, or Canadians.
	What bums me out most about this clip, it's not a surprise, but that Stephen and his crew are all like, oh what a great take.
	I love this.
	Listen to this part.
	Listen to this refreshing take.
	Oh yeah, listen up guys.
	You guys hear that?
	That's Chris Benoit's fucking music.
	Oh god.
	It's just a victim of abuse perpetuating abuse.
	And again, I do not, I have very little sympathy for him.
	I think it's good to understand where he's coming from.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the trucker protest stuff, for him to bring that up, the Trudeau, that's all misleading information as well.
	Like, you remember the trucker protest, right?
	Well, I do.
	I also remember when Biden seized my bank account.
	Do you remember that?
	Well, the whole bank account.
	That was the worst.
	He was talking about Trudeau.
	Yeah.
	They did seize bank accounts.
	February 17th, the Deputy Prime Minister said in a press conference that financial institutions had started freezing bank accounts and canceling credit cards in accordance with the Emergencies Act.
	And they they did that because of the trucker protest situation.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	They did it because of trans people.
	That makes the government good because of trans people?
	Yeah, that's what Strickland was trying to say.
	Oh, wow.
	I don't think so, but... Kind of linked them somehow in there.
	And when I heard that, I don't have too much sympathy for the trucker protesters, but I didn't really... How many people do you think were affected by this banking freeze?
	What's your guess?
	If I had to guess, I would say...
	Seven.
	Well, it's a little more than that.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Well, there's a clue.
	How's 206 sound?
	I was gonna say 19.
	I would have won on, uh... Sure.
	Yeah, he would have won on Price is Right, dude.
	Price is Right rules, yeah.
	Initially, 206 bank accounts, and they were all linked to the convoy organizers, like, not individual... Like the GoFundMe thing?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was who they were targeting, because these GoFundMe, GiveSendGo campaigns were continuing to fuel the protest, even after the state of emergency was declared.
	And this only lasted six days, but it still echoed through as if it was Trudeau being authoritarian.
	Yeah, I understand why it sticks out so hard in their mind because of the symbolism of that.
	Yeah, but when you look at the facts, six days, 206 people.
	And I wish that I had more recollection about those protests for me to speak better on it.
	Sure.
	But if you want, I can really loudly shout out what I know to sound more intelligent.
	We could talk more about it.
	I did write down some things.
	Yeah, I'd love to hear more about it.
	The rules in Canada are a little different.
	The right to peaceful protest and free expression can be temporarily restricted or suspended in times of public emergency, which makes sense to me.
	It's not really even about the protesting, but it's about the state emergency and whether what was happening actually was an emergency.
	Sure.
	It was deemed that local police were unable to restore order and uphold the rule of law, both in Ottawa and the province of Ontario.
	So that's why the state of emergency was enacted.
	And that makes sense because it was, they weren't able to get things under control.
	The trucks were, there's buckets of shit.
	There's people honking, there's vandalism.
	I think it was an emergency.
	I think it's fair to say.
	I think that's where you're always going to have that.
	At any time where there's like, you know, you think it was an emergency, right?
	That means that someone's not gonna agree with you sometimes.
	Of course.
	And that's why it's really hard to have those conversations, because it's like, if you told that person like, yeah, someone nuked the city, they'd be like, oh, okay, cool, that's an emergency.
	Sure, emergency.
	Right, like what that emergency means.
	What that emergency does.
	Yeah, right.
	Like if there's like a trans person like reading a book to a kid, that's an emergency.
	We gotta shut that one down.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that the goal of a protest?
	Is to put people in a situation where it becomes desperate enough that it would be determined to be an emergency?
	I guess, kind of.
	And it was deemed to be an urgent and critical situation that would have endangered the lives, health, or safety of Canadians if things weren't to change.
	So they did that.
	There's some serious threats.
	And also, I feel like if you were to ask Ask Stephen or anyone here, how do you feel about protesters blocking highways?
	They hate that shit.
	They'd be like, run them over!
	Exactly.
	Yeah, so if it's a vehicle stopping traffic, it's different than a human person stopping traffic.
	I just want to make sure I understand the rules of emergencies.
	Of course.
	And I do want to rewind a little bit.
	Stephen pointed out, I think it was Stephen or Sean, that the media were zeroing in on tweets from 2020 or something like that.
	Old tweets about his thoughts on Trump.
	About Sean?
	Yeah.
	I pulled some tweets from recently.
	Wait, he didn't do Clean Slate?
	Oh, he didn't do Clean Slate, but he did continue, you know, well, saying stuff like this.
	I'm in Sydney and I thought I was going to be surrounded by dirty liberals, gay and trans flags everywhere.
	Literally zero.
	Maybe America is the problem.
	Then in April, he said, watched 15 minutes of hockey and there wasn't one fight.
	What a bunch of fucking ladyboys.
	If I wanted to watch a bunch of women ice skate, I'd watch figure skating.
	No wonder NHL has a trans league.
	Then in March, he says, I can't believe society has normalized trans.
	This shouldn't exist.
	You're not a trans woman, you're a mentally ill man who probably should get help instead of having people cheer on your insanity.
	And then rewinding even more, February 9th, what?
	Elon Musk unbanned me?
	I don't think trans women are women?
	Test, test, test, question mark?
	And I think this might have been the tweet that actually got his account suspended back in May of 2022.
	Trans.
	Fuck, if you were born with a cock, you're a man, bottom line.
	A little icing on the cake.
	He's an unpopular opinion January 6th with the most patriotic thing our country has ever done in a long time.
	So that's the kind of shit that he says.
	That we can agree on.
	Hell yeah, brother.
	And that's the kind of person he is.
	He's a transphobe.
	He's a piece of shit.
	And again, for like a sentient cauliflower ear that's able to drink, you know, out of a sippy cup.
	Not bad.
	Not too bad.
	I hope he keeps losing.
	Has he lost a lot?
	Brain cells.
	He probably was upset that he lost.
	That could have been.
	It's called CTE.
	It's a real problem in the sport.
	Let's zoom in on the real problem.
	Woke Canadians.
	He's referencing the Prime Minister seizing truckers bank accounts when they were actually peacefully protesting the
	government He talks about modern gender theory and he gets into why it's
	incorrect Yeah, and he talks about defending your children in public
	schools. Sure drops a lot of f-bombs This is a guy who's had a rough upbringing fuck
	Should have played that before all the other stuff I said That's okay.
	I like how they act like he's eloquently discussing these things.
	He's just being rude to the guy.
	Yeah.
	Like he's mentioning those things, sure, but not in a way that is like eloquent arguments for those things.
	Well, I think he's a little jealous about how reckless Sean can be.
	Like how uninhibited he is with his hate.
	Yeah, I get that.
	This is more extreme than what we have said because the guy is just, people are fed up.
	And this is what I tell you, do not Don't be guarded with your speech anymore.
	If you know you're not a racist, then speak.
	You know, don't be afraid of them calling you a racist.
	If you know that you're not a transphobe, whatever that means, I don't know how you get over it, touch therapy with a fake hatchet wound.
	Touch it, you'll get it!
	It burns!
	The point is, you know who you are.
	Let the world know who you are.
	Does he think that you have to be mean to do that?
	Like, he says if you're not racist, speak your mind.
	And if you're a transphobic, whatever that means.
	Well, what happens if you find out that the things you're saying are racist or transphobic or homophobic?
	Isn't that what, like, liberals are doing?
	They're speaking their mind?
	They're doing what he's asking them to do?
	Oh, interesting.
	Huh.
	But there's this accusatory.
	His is just expression.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	It's a weird take, man.
	This is a comedy podcast.
	It's so funny.
	It's so funny.
	And these are the jokes?
	I guess.
	So but don't don't be guarded.
	You should be able to say this racist and transphobic shit.
	Yeah.
	And especially in regards to Sean Strickland.
	That's who we're talking about here.
	Well, I mean, just on the on the tail of that anyway, that's where that's where we are in Steven's world.
	Don't don't be guarded.
	If you're not really racist or transphobic, then But it's like that guy is totally transphobic.
	I don't know about racist.
	Yeah, I actually don't think he is from what I can tell.
	He says if you're neither of those things then you should speak, but if you are those things then I guess don't speak would be the opposite.
	It's pretty anti-free speech, Stephen.
	Hmm, interesting.
	Isn't that what he's saying?
	He should not be doing his speaking if he's being transphobic.
	Well, what he's saying is free your mind and the rest will follow.
	Frankenstein!
	Isn't that what it is?
	That's the line, yeah.
	He's telling you to speak up, not tweet, of course.
	But how could this possibly be tied to a poorly performing social media initiative?
	No, no, no.
	And this is why social media is in overdrive, right?
	That's why we did the Clean Slate campaign, because the algorithm wants to determine what you see.
	That video, Sean's pre-fight press conference, you'd think it would have more than 170,000 plays, wouldn't you?
	Millions!
	Yeah, that's it on YouTube.
	But guess what?
	When people see it, you react.
	You clip it.
	You get it out there.
	You are the army.
	You are the agents of change.
	The algorithms that exist right now, we use that term.
	It is a brain that isn't human, that doesn't even exist, that wants to determine the direction of culture.
	And what Sean said is right.
	People aren't buying it.
	You need to let everyone know that you're not buying it.
	I don't think he understands.
	First of all, it's on Twitter, which is a fucking cesspool anyway.
	Yeah.
	A menace of a video site.
	The video's on Twitter, it's not on YouTube?
	I think it's probably on YouTube too, but I think he's referencing a hundred and some... That interview was on Twitter, yeah.
	That's on Twitter.
	Okay, yeah.
	But also, I don't think Steve understands that if everyone he's thinking about wants to be fed this content, the algorithm will feed them that content.
	Exactly.
	It just will.
	No, no, no.
	A million people should have seen this by now.
	Because you're seeing it and we're reacting to it.
	It's not entertaining.
	It's distressing.
	Even if those were my beliefs, I don't know if I would be entertained by that.
	What can you even say about that?
	We covered it pretty thoroughly here that Sean Strickland has lost his mind.
	It seems that he has lost his marbles a bit.
	He's in a frenzy.
	What else can you really say about that?
	People don't really need to engage with that.
	115,000 people engaged with it.
	That's a lot.
	It's plenty.
	Yeah, it's plenty.
	Well, let's get this out of the way for the last time folks.
	It's RonTalk.
	Well, hopefully the last time.
	Desanctimonious.
	To be clear, we all here like Ron to say probably the best governor, really, in the country.
	Absolutely.
	In history.
	Yes.
	Well, I don't know.
	There's probably someone down the line who freed some slaves.
	That's the old news.
	I'm talking about today.
	Certainly would be up there.
	And by the way, you know, Governor Abbott, Texas, he's a wheelchair guy.
	Now, Ron DeSantis officially ended his presidential campaign, and you probably have already seen this.
	This is what they're talking about everywhere, CNN.
	He endorsed, though, to the surprise of many, not everyone, but a lot, he endorsed Donald Trump.
	Accordingly, I am today suspending my campaign.
	I'm proud to have delivered on 100% of my promises.
	It's the happiest he's looked in a while.
	I will not stop now.
	It's clear to me that a majority of Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance.
	They watch his presidency get stymied by relentless resistance, and they see Democrats using lawfare this day to attack him.
	Well, I've had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci.
	Trump is superior to the current incumbent, Joe Biden.
	That is clear.
	I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that pledge.
	Damn, he's really a good public speaker.
	He's the best public speaker, and he's definitely not- he's much taller than you think he is.
	Of course, he's not weird, and he is tall.
	He's got those bowed legs.
	If it weren't the bowed legs, he would be much taller.
	Oh, of course.
	If you straighten that man out, he'd be- He's a solid 5'7", but he does carry himself like he's a solid 6'1".
	Yeah, Jared, real quick, the Hodgetwins brought up the old news concept, which is really interesting.
	We went into that quite a bit in your exploration and their ignoring of history.
	Yeah, a bunch of real Barry Goldwaters.
	I thought that was interesting.
	It was, yeah.
	Like I said, I think at the beginning of this, there's a few allusions to things that you've talked about in the last couple of weeks that are a little...
	1854 ish.
	Yeah.
	I'm so confused by this clip because I wonder what Stephen thinks DeSantis has achieved.
	He liked the regulations during COVID.
	He liked it when they sent all those immigrants.
	When he bust immigrants from another state.
	Yeah, and that's Texas to New York.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's Abbott's move, right?
	What was the fucking wheelchair comment?
	That was just out of nowhere.
	He's a wheelchair guy, right?
	Yeah.
	Well, Abbott has this issue where people don't know what to say about him when they get so upset that they just become ableist.
	I would think that these guys like Greg Abbott.
	They should be big fans of Abbott.
	I mean, they like his cool Explorers, personalized Explorers t-shirt that he always wears.
	His khaki long sleeve that he's always rocking.
	And his calls for civil war and secession.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I've got guns pointed at the border.
	And if you come over here, I'm going to, uh, yeah, all the people dying in the Rio Grande.
	Yeah.
	I think that they would, uh, appreciate his stance on the border issue.
	Well, they really do appreciate Ron.
	They say that he's done a great job.
	They still do a time to close.
	I don't know if you remember that.
	I don't usually play it cause I think it's boring and weird.
	Parody where they play like funny clips of the candidates as they drop off and it's I know that it's time for you to close which doesn't I don't even really it doesn't work It doesn't mean anything, but they've just done it so long that they keep doing it.
	I don't know They also played that clip of the good liars where they give him the participation trophy.
	Did you see that?
	Yeah, a couple weeks ago.
	I mean, I remember seeing The Good Life, they gave DeSantis one?
	Yeah.
	I don't remember that.
	It was pretty funny, but even Steven used that clip.
	Uncredited.
	They run through kind of the reasons they feel his run didn't work out and they blame it on everyone else other than him, which is pretty cool.
	Definitely not him.
	Quickly though, remember how last week I mentioned that in order to join Mug Club you have to pay annually?
	Uh-huh, yeah, yeah.
	Well.
	You guys can, you know, you get the Hodge Twins, their new studio, their new setup, Alex Jones on for everything, that you get with Mug Club.
	We now are offering it, you can go Mugless, just $9 a month.
	If you don't want to join for $89 annually, and we have to do that because the mug is very expensive to ship and hand paint and hand etch, but a lot of you want to see what you get, $9 a month, you can just push the Mug Club button right there, join, download the Rumble app, and it allows us to continue with the kind of investigative journalism, too, that you will see tomorrow.
	Big day.
	So I guess, I mean, they're not listening to us because last week's episode just dropped yesterday.
	But it's really an interesting coincidence.
	You know, all of our concerns are being addressed.
	Yeah.
	Weird.
	I really wonder what his books look like as far as like how many people are truly subscribers.
	It'd be really interesting to know.
	Jared, you kind of went into that last week.
	Yeah, I kind of had a thought a little bit about this $9 deal here.
	It does cost more to do that, so the frugal mind would say, go ahead and just get that year if you think you're gonna stick around, Mud Clubbers.
	That's frugal, but has some capital.
	What we had talked about, though, was that my prediction for this is perhaps they're thinking about leasing out their email subscribers.
	Or, you know, emails from their subscribers, rather.
	Oh, like selling the data?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And like this $9 a month thing is maybe like the last little olive branch that he's offering before he goes ahead and does that.
	Yeah.
	I am going to sell everyone's information.
	Yeah.
	But let's see how many... If you're giving me the cash, it saves you.
	If you like take the bite here for $9, that'll save you.
	But if you do neither of these things, then the next highest bidder will be yours.
	Let's see how many of these paycheck-to-paycheck folks who don't have $90, let's see how much of their money I can take first before we start.
	Just selling them for me?
	Certainly.
	Yeah, they very quickly, and I think it has something to do with the popularity of Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee Show or, you know, the Kelsey Brothers podcast.
	Steve may be leaning into athletics?
	We've got more sports talk.
	Okay.
	He announced that Barstool Sports is now forming a new partnership with Rumble.
	He said, with the power of Barstool Sports, we are going to help Rumble be the top player in the video, cloud, and live streaming space.
	Look, it only takes a couple of people for an exodus.
	People think that YouTube is ubiquitous for online streaming and video viewing.
	That is shifting, and I will stake my reputation on the fact that Rumble believes what they say.
	Absolutely.
	You've never heard me say that about another company?
	Yeah.
	Tap my pen as well.
	I mean, he's not wrong.
	That's kind of a big deal.
	Barstool sport, they're huge.
	It is a big deal.
	I love that he says he's staking his reputation on it.
	Interesting.
	That's just what you're doing with everything.
	Like, that's just, that's normal.
	It's just interesting that like, you know, a, um, And in some ways it makes sense that a famously mediocre content purveyor would sign an exclusivity deal with an worse-than-average video stream service.
	Yeah.
	I don't know, not that wild of a thing.
	Well, I should mention they're not exclusive to Rumble.
	It is just now their preferred video home.
	Kind of like Little Caesars is the pizza of the NFL.
	Sure.
	I believe it's after YouTube and Google asked them to edit out some threats to blow up a house of a friend on an episode of a series called Surviving Barstool.
	It was like a light-hearted joke between friends and I do kind of think that YouTube was being a little bit sensitive.
	But it was enough to trigger Dave to be like we're not gonna censor anything and he actually took that show off and made it like a paid subscription thing and he got like a hundred thousand people who are interested in watching Surviving Barstool on a separate platform.
	Sure.
	And that was kind of what I believe triggered this exodus from YouTube, which he's still gonna be using.
	Okay.
	Does Steven have any stake in Rumble?
	Like does he make money on Rumble?
	I don't know.
	Like from the company itself without him?
	I have no idea.
	I don't know what the deal looks like.
	I do know that they don't actively promote him on their front page very often from what I've seen, so... I've never seen him on there.
	I'm curious to see why he's pushing so hard for them, you know?
	Because it's kind of like... I mean, I know that obviously he wants to have his idea, his understanding of free speech on Rumble.
	Sure.
	But I'm just curious if he gets any direct benefit from them coming.
	Well, I mean, like Barstool, he doesn't have an exclusive deal with Rumble.
	He's still broadcast to YouTube as well, which, I mean, I understand why.
	They're trying to siphon as many as possible, but still, they don't want to isolate their viewers who prefer a platform that works, you know?
	Yeah, that doesn't have all those ads.
	I don't really know.
	I don't know what the future of Rumble looks like.
	They have scored a handful of significant new talent recently.
	So, I mean, it's Digital Wild West, boys.
	What's his name?
	The Country Yeti?
	Oliver Anthony?
	Yeah, what's his tour called?
	Out of the Woods?
	Yeah, he's gonna do well.
	Is he on Rumble or something?
	I thought they had read that they had offered him some kind of deal or something like that.
	I don't remember.
	Flash in the pan, all of that mine worker from North Carolina.
	Yeah, he's no longer an Appalachian man.
	He's, you know, Nashville bound.
	Well, as quickly as it started, they're back to playing the hits.
	It's time to talk the border.
	Let's talk border.
	So the southern border right now is completely open.
	Fully.
	Yeah, you know, I don't need a couch, my friend.
	It's completely open December.
	So an all-time record of 302,000 border crossings.
	This is during the holiday season when they should be shopping.
	She's after me, lucky charm.
	with the dire situation at the southern border.
	Geez.
	New customs and border protection data obtained by CBS News show that agency is on track
	to process more than 300,000 migrants, an all-time monthly high.
	That includes record numbers of families and children.
	Meanwhile, cities, states, and federal law enforcement report being overwhelmed as the ripple effect
	spread from border communities to all across the country.
	They're reacting as if the purge was being announced.
	It's so weird.
	That's a big number.
	I have a hard time understanding.
	Do we know what that is in years?
	Years of immigrants?
	Like three episodes ago.
	Yes.
	I love this reaction because they are acting like there's not even like a structure at the border anymore.
	It's like, just like, um... Well, it's completely open.
	Completely open, yeah.
	Nobody even there, no razor wire to deal with.
	Oh yeah, like in the Abbott border situation.
	None of it, none of it.
	Well, they're removing that, which is good.
	No more razor wire buoys.
	I mean, Abbott said he's not going to.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, it's pretty... I mean, obviously, there's room for talks about immigration.
	Yes.
	There is.
	The border's not wide open.
	Absolutely not.
	Not wide open.
	That's not what I heard.
	Yeah, well... They got like six, seven years a day of these immigrants coming through.
	Six, seven years per day.
	All right, here we go.
	By the way, when lawmakers and elected officials are overwhelmed, that's long after you.
	You, the plagues, have been overwhelming.
	You've had to deal with the consequences.
	Now it's at their door, just to be clear.
	There's a sequence to that.
	Now, you also need to admonish me.
	Because I cited a number to you right before we went to break that the record of border crossings in a month was 269,000.
	Well, hold on.
	No, actually, that was correct.
	That was the old record that was smashing the record before that.
	But I cited that in November.
	But that was correct.
	That was correct?
	Yes.
	So the world record was 269,000.
	In September.
	That was more than ever.
	But we broke it by like 33,000 people in December.
	Sorry, you need to admonish me again.
	It's a false admonishment.
	So admonish me for the false admonishment.
	There you go.
	The point is... Whoever writes this thing.
	Genius.
	Practiced.
	I like that they call it a world record.
	World record?
	That's right.
	Leading the world in immigration.
	North American record, I suppose.
	I don't know.
	Coming up next for the refugees.
	I think Stephen just wants us to talk big numbers on immigration.
	I think that more people made it through under Trump than Biden.
	I don't think so.
	I think Biden has more, but I also think it's just increasing.
	I don't think it has anything... I think it's just like giving Biden all of the credit for the initial improvement of the economy when it's like coming back from COVID kind of a thing.
	We can have realistic conversations around the fact that it is increasing, But I just, I think we just have to understand that the policy changes that we make around immigration don't start at the border.
	They start when we talk about immigrants as people.
	Well, and we'll talk about that, but real quick, let's offend the Hodge twins.
	Let's do that.
	The point is, my half African American gentleman, this is really bad.
	Half?
	Yeah.
	I'm not half.
	I am all American.
	There's nothing African about me.
	Somewhere down your lineage, someone's chasing a gazelle.
	Probably.
	It's black?
	It's stone dim.
	You can do that?
	Yes, I can.
	Last year, 2.48 million crossings.
	Wow.
	Now let's compare this to the Trump high.
	The high, just to be clear.
	Here's the low.
	Here's the low.
	Here's the high.
	Low.
	High.
	2.48 million last year.
	Okay.
	Low.
	Donald Trump's high, 2019, was 977,000.
	Wow.
	Jesus.
	Whoa.
	Wow.
	I'm going to say that's more.
	That's between a half and a third.
	Low.
	Yeah.
	I don't know where they got that information.
	I could look real quick.
	What I had seen from DHS reporting is that DHS reported that they deported more migrants in the first two years of Biden's admin than Trump's entire presidency.
	They did far more deportations of immigrants in two years than Trump had done in four.
	Gotcha.
	I'm just looking at USAFacts.com, State of the Union Table of Contents, total new immigrants entering the U.S.
	it looks like.
	I don't know how valid this site is.
	Yeah, and let's see, so Trump became president in 2017, right?
	2017 on this site says 2.5 million immigrants, 2018 2.489, 2019 2.49, and then 2020 was 1.29 because, you know, COVID.
	this site says 2.5 million immigrants, 2018 2.489, 2019 2.49, and then 2020 was 1.29 because
	of COVID.
	And then it started rising again.
	I don't know all of these statistics.
	I don't know what they all mean.
	I don't know.
	I don't have a deep understanding of the statistics of immigration.
	But I think that at the end of the day, we have to recognize that a lot of the reaction towards immigration is solely talking about the southern border.
	And I think there's a reason why that is.
	I think people are racist.
	Yep, because I saw this great tweet from someone that said that she would tell people, I was an immigrant, and they say, oh yeah, but you did it the right way.
	And she'd always say, how do you know that?
	Sure.
	Just because she was Canadian.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Northern border, wide open.
	Wide open, yeah, no one would know.
	We have to talk about immigration as a fact of living here that people will come here.
	Sounds like you, Dennis, are trying to tug at people's heartstrings.
	I am.
	Tug, tug, baby.
	Typical lefty.
	Tug job.
	Well, that's the first thing that she said, including a record number of women and children.
	Immediately pull on the heartstrings, show an image of a woman and a child.
	It's probably the only one they could possibly find.
	Exactly.
	And I want to get into the macro here with you.
	This is what the left tries to do.
	They always try and say, well, we want to solve this problem.
	They hold out the dreamers.
	They hold out the kids.
	They say, don't you care about these kids?
	They don't even believe in deporting violent criminals.
	Well, I'd be really curious when I hear this argument.
	I'd be interested in the statistics around, are immigrants more likely to be violent than U.S.
	citizens?
	say things like, well you know if we could work with Republicans we have a bill that
	they won't sign.
	Then you find out that the bill gives immunity to everybody.
	Yeah.
	Well I'd be really curious when I hear this argument, I'd be interested in the statistics
	around are immigrants more likely to be violent than US citizens?
	I don't believe they are.
	And I only say that because generally if you're sneaking into a country in a questionable
	manner, you're going to try and live low.
	It's just a straw man argument.
	I don't have any evidence what he's saying is correct, that the left wants to keep violent migrants.
	Sure.
	And I don't know a single person who says, oh yeah, let's, you know, if somebody comes in and causes violence that we should let them hang out.
	I don't think anyone agrees with that statement.
	Nobody says that about, like, regular citizens either, you know?
	Yeah, no one's like, yeah, give him a pass, you know?
	Yeah, this guy who's like beating the shit out of people at the park should definitely just keep doing what he's doing.
	I'm fine with it, honestly.
	I grew up, like, we went to the same high school.
	We graduated around the same time.
	My big beef with all of this, I was born here at random.
	Totally random.
	And so that's why I always find it so funny when people say, my God-given right to X, Y, or Z. And I just wonder why God didn't give rights to non-Americans.
	Because they weren't chosen, Dennis.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	This is just fear-mongering.
	That's all it is.
	Of course.
	Interesting you're singing that, Jared.
	What do you think America's top priority is?
	It should be fucking partying down in the USA like Miley Cyrus said to.
	You're wrong.
	Oh.
	So here's the thing.
	Immigration is a top priority.
	The top priority.
	Or one of the top priorities for at least 35% of voters.
	That sucks.
	And so what we have right now is that this is the gaslighting.
	And that's a term that people use, but I want to use it correctly.
	The Democrats are trying to blame this, of course, on Republicans.
	Which I just think most people don't believe because it was only a few months ago where Democrats were saying, you guys are racists because you don't want to let anyone in without a guest card.
	He loves that gaslighting thing.
	He's the only one that can use it now.
	He's taking it back.
	Let me use it correctly.
	People are thinking that we are wrong.
	I think it's a top issue for a lot of people because they're told it should be the top issue.
	Exactly.
	I'm not saying that the right is totally susceptible to being told something.
	For example, that the election was stolen and then believing it just because someone said it.
	Yeah, joke's on you because we are actually gaslighting you now.
	I didn't even notice.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, and that's exactly the point, Dennis.
	You're not supposed to.
	I don't know if I ever shared this, but I was recently at a store and there was a guy dressed in his like military, you know, camo and somebody thanked him for his service.
	The next guy in line was like, Are you about to go down to the southern border?
	We really need you down there.
	All right, very cool.
	And I was like, fuck it, I hate to be this soldier.
	We live nowhere near the southern border.
	Yeah, we aren't even close, man.
	Interesting.
	Well, let's go through the claims.
	Go through the claims right now.
	The changing claims from the left to try and cover their own ass versus the truth.
	Their claim is that Republicans are the ones who won't fund border security.
	The first bill that we dropped, the first bill that we offered right after inauguration, Was to fix the immigration system.
	Whatever.
	Do you think they've taken it up?
	No.
	But frankly, we're in an election year, and the folks who want to return Donald Trump to the White House would prefer to talk about a broken immigration system instead of focusing on the solutions that are at hand.
	Oh, go spread your legs for another mayor, you commie.
	You fake black woman.
	That voice.
	I mean, it's just amazing that she hoed her way to the top considering, I mean, you wouldn't be able to take dirty talk from that lady for one second.
	Harder!
	You're fantastic!
	I've never met anyone like... Just like really foul stuff.
	Yes.
	Imagine if a woman was president and how they would handle it.
	They'd lose their friggin' minds.
	The Willie Brown stuff is just really such a terrible thing to try to nail Kamala Harris on.
	Willie Brown was like the mayor of San Francisco, is that right?
	I don't know.
	Either way, they say that like in the mid-90s that Kamala Harris dated him and It was while he was still married, which he had been separated from his wife for ten years at that point.
	But a piece of paper?
	Sure.
	If you're on paper married to somebody, you know, because I mean Stephen, I guarantee he's not sleeping with anybody right now.
	Not even close.
	Not even dating.
	You wouldn't dare.
	And it's not.
	Treadwife rules.
	Well, certainly not because he's an unlikable guy, of course.
	You know, he's Catholic, cloth don't run.
	Or something, I don't know.
	It's just it's a silly thing to bring up and it's kind of all they got and they also called Kamala Harris a commie?
	Yeah, she's the freaking Attorney General of California You know What stands out to me about this is that the big issue with all of these in my opinion All these conversations is these big like bills where you have to tie shit together to make it happen Yeah, and I just think that's the wrong way to do a lot of it because it's kind of like Uh, when we were, like, refusing to fund something.
	I don't remember what it was.
	We were refusing to fund something without also focusing some money towards immigration.
	Yeah.
	Oh, they were going to stop the funding for the government unless part of the funding package included closing the southern border in some capacity.
	It's such a surface-level attack.
	It's like if you had a gambling problem and... I don't.
	You don't?
	Okay, cool, cool.
	If you do, I can help you.
	Thanks.
	But it's like if you had a gambling problem and then your wife... I can show you how to win money.
	And then your wife was like, hey, we need to buy some food for the kids, but I won't buy food for the kids until you quit gambling.
	Those are two separate issues that just happen to do with the same thing, money.
	Yeah.
	That's a big problem with Democrats and Republicans both.
	When we have these big omnibus packages, these bills that have all these different things, it should be far simpler.
	It should be like, here's this bill around this.
	It shouldn't be thousands of pages.
	It shouldn't be, yeah.
	And that's obviously like, that's just a strategy for everybody.
	Of course.
	But I just, I hate it.
	I don't like it.
	I don't like it either.
	But Dennis?
	Yeah?
	What's the truth?
	The truth?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'll go to... Be honest.
	That's the claim.
	Here's the truth.
	How many U's?
	The Democrats, sure, they put something in front of you.
	They want that money to fund processing, not apprehending, let alone deporting, illegal immigrants.
	Let me give you some facts here.
	The White House is, um, they've put a request for, basically.
	It pairs Ukraine and Israel funding with $14 billion for the border.
	Only 17% would go to Border Patrol, and most of that 17% is for processing.
	Meaning assisting with them coming through, not stopping illegal crossings.
	This is not new.
	I've lived through this.
	It's not just letting people through, it's determining if they should be let through.
	It's processing.
	It's processing.
	It doesn't mean that process means that they come through.
	If you overrun the system and you don't have enough resources to process, stuff will boil over and there'll be mistakes and people will come through that you don't want to come through.
	I mean, what do we want the border to look like?
	Do we want it to be barbed wire and people with guns?
	I do kind of want some slides.
	But, like, I would rather more centers where people can comfortably come here for asylum.
	I didn't know you were a communist.
	I'm sorry.
	We do need migrant labor.
	So if there is an easier way to, like, make that happen, I think that's probably fine with me.
	Yeah, there's probably some, like, pretty easy ways to construct a Bill that has nothing to do with anything else but just immigration and work reform around that perhaps but I understand the frustration a lot of times where Steven and the the boys are coming from here with the general like fumbling of stuff like this where it seems like things could get done.
	Did you have the Obama stuff in here?
	I cut the Obama stuff.
	The reason is that Democrats look at solving this problem as giving everybody who's here amnesty.
	That has always been their starting point.
	Republicans look at this and go, well hold on.
	I understand that there is a problem here that we have to deal with, right?
	We don't want to be inhumane to anybody, but can we at least maybe stop the bleeding first?
	Maybe build the wall, maybe have some security first.
	And by the way, the 17% that goes to processing, processing isn't what a lot of people think.
	Processing isn't like, hey, the line's long.
	Let's put some more people up and some more cash registers and get these people through legally.
	No.
	Processing is, oh, you want to claim asylum?
	Fantastic.
	Let me fill out your paperwork that you're never going to show up for court and kind of confirm, and you may go off into the country.
	By the way, here's a gift card.
	Like, they literally do that kind of stuff.
	That's the processing that they're talking about.
	That's why they never want this problem solved.
	They just want more people.
	And they want to turn them into voters.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Every time.
	They want to turn them into voters.
	But imagine, how many sex slaves do you think have been processed?
	I love the Hodge slip in the Great Replacement.
	What the fuck is all of that at the end?
	For one, do you know how long it takes to become a voter?
	Years?
	It's a long-ass time.
	I can't remember off the top of my head.
	It is years.
	And then you have to become a citizen.
	Yes, you can't just be an illegal immigrant who votes.
	You cannot do that.
	They of course say that they're letting illegal immigrants vote.
	It's deceptive because it's like In local elections in certain cities.
	And those cities have the rights to determine whether or not illegal immigrants can vote there.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's up with the sex slave thing?
	What was that?
	That's just a quick little fear drop.
	Okay, whatever.
	Yeah, it's just normal.
	What do you mean?
	Why are you actually surprised?
	That's true.
	Of course, I mean... Let's... I'll delete this, but we don't want any vetting or checks and balances.
	It's open.
	We need votes, man.
	It is foolish to not actually have a system of checks and balances and vetting in place to know who is coming into our country.
	You live in foolishness long enough, you become evil.
	It's a descent into evil.
	It's foolishness and it becomes evil because you end up enabling the most evil among us.
	Drug cartels, sex traffickers, Democrats.
	He wanted that to be so poetic.
	If you live as a fool, a fool you will be in your heart.
	If you act silly for too long, you're gonna be evil.
	Shouldn't they want more processing if they're worried about bad people coming through?
	Yeah.
	And also, I feel like...
	Well, in a perfect world, they would shut it all down.
	Of course, yeah.
	Instead of, you know, being curious as to the backgrounds of people that are being let into the country.
	I just am so curious as why there's, like obviously we have a lot more immigration from the southern border.
	Yeah.
	But they don't act like any other border is even kind of an issue.
	That's because they're racist.
	People who fly in, that's fine.
	Sure.
	People who come in from Canada.
	The one that protects us from the orcas that are destroying people's That's a real thing we should be afraid of.
	The orcas.
	Yeah, the orcas.
	And our western borders.
	Mostly.
	We gotta moat.
	They're dangerous stuff.
	America's been destabilizing regions and countries for forever and it's a problem that we created.
	And so that people are often coming here to seeking asylum or, you know, refugee status.
	That's fine.
	And also something that if we if we want that to stop happening, then you're right from earlier.
	This is not causation.
	You know, people coming to our border is not causation.
	You know, America creating these problems, or at least like helping create these problems, this is the direct line.
	This is the find out of the fuck around thing.
	Exactly.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	This fight over the border, it's also becoming like a major conflict between federal law enforcement and federal legislators and local.
	And it really shouldn't be, just to be clear.
	This is one of the few legitimate roles of the federal government to ensure that you are safe from external threats.
	I mean, I'm a very limited government guy, a federalist, and I know the name sort of obviously is counterintuitive, but that is one of the few roles of federal government.
	You can't expect Idaho to solve the border issue.
	And it's not Texas, because if Texas solves it, guess what?
	California chooses not to?
	You're right back where you started.
	This is a federal issue.
	We have federal borders.
	It sounds like he wants to support the federal government's decision here, to step in and fix this.
	Not really.
	So let me give you an example here.
	In Eagle Pass, Texas authorities, they started claiming jurisdiction over Shelby Park, which was formerly a CBP processing center.
	News of the deaths of three migrants, a woman and two children who drowned in the river last week, with Congressional Democrats blaming Texas and Texas blaming the Biden administration.
	A new Supreme Court filing shows federal officials were informed by Mexico of the deaths, and when a Border Patrol official went to Shelby Park, they spoke through the closed gate, and Texas National Guardsmen refused to let Border Patrol enter because they had been ordered not to allow Border Patrol access to the park.
	Good.
	Yep.
	Good.
	By the way, did you catch that?
	I don't know if you followed this in the news at all.
	They were saying they didn't let them have access to it, almost like they were trying to save the migrants drowning.
	And like the Texas National Guard just basically like, ha ha, let them drown.
	No, they were already dead.
	The Mexican government had just kind of told us about it.
	Right.
	And they were trying to get access to the park there.
	And I'm like, good.
	You know what?
	You relocate Washington, D.C.
	to El Paso, and I'm pretty sure this problem gets solved quickly.
	This is the actual Spider-Man meme.
	We didn't hear it, but they talked about it earlier when Steven said some other racist shit to the Hodgetwins.
	But this is more that Abbott is pointing the finger at Biden, Biden's pointing the finger at the Border Patrol, and then the Border Patrol is pointing the finger at the Texas National Guard.
	And it's sort of the, that's where this situation is.
	No one's to blame.
	Not for the death, anyway.
	No.
	I think that this is a really big moment in, like, U.S.
	history, probably, where the state that contains the border is not allowing the federal government in to change what they're doing.
	And the Supreme Court said they ruled on it.
	If you're a party of law and order, you have to respect the Supreme Court there, right?
	And at the end of the day, people are fucking dying.
	There are people dying.
	Yes.
	It's okay to have empathy for people who are not from your country who are dying.
	It's fine.
	For Gerald to brush past the woman and two children dying and by just saying good and... You're already dead.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What the fuck, man?
	They're just arguing over the bodies.
	It's fine.
	He's got kids.
	He's a wife.
	Like, he should understand that...
	Someone is missing these people.
	Yeah, but I mean, even if you don't have kids or a wife, you should be able to understand.
	You should be able to.
	Right?
	You should be able to be like, oh, wait, hold up.
	People died.
	Let's see.
	Oh, this is so funny, dude.
	They're fighting over it.
	And Steven got a Mug Club scoop from someone on the inside.
	Someone in the military?
	Showing us that the Biden administration is redirecting troops to the border to assist, again, with migrant processing.
	So, using national forces to assist with basically creating a porous national border.
	The requests that we've been tipped off with include the following.
	Detection, monitoring, data entry, warehousing, transportation, assistance.
	Meaning, yeah, get them where they want to go.
	Get them to a Waffle House at 3am, let Worldstar take care of the rest.
	Worldstar?
	Well, look, if they're going to be here, we have to profit off of them.
	Spirit Airlines Terminal, either.
	Here's a statement, too, from our source.
	He said, I got this email from my command.
	It's amazing they are willing to send us service members to the border instead of just enforcing our laws, making us all complicit in the trafficking of persons and the obvious threat of letting in terrorists into the country.
	It's sad what has happened and that the U.S.
	government doesn't care about our own country anymore.
	And if you are out there right now and you are working in these institutions, you see corruption.
	Unless it's a wall.
	you with our lives. We will go to jail to protect our sources. Tomorrow we have a very
	big story dropping that is about as risky as you can. You can. It's as big of a risk
	as you can take. Does Stephen not think that all of those things are necessary to handle
	security at a border transportation processing unless it's a wall? I guess he probably doesn't
	think. Yeah, I don't I don't think they understand that you need to if you don't if you don't
	fund the processing of immigrants. That's like leaving the store mid shift.
	People are just going to show up.
	You still have to fund those things.
	It's kind of like how, um, if a bridge is like crumbling and it needs to be repaired, people will complain about the government not fixing it while simultaneously complaining about paying taxes.
	Of course.
	It's the same kind of thing.
	Like we have to fund this processing.
	And we can also do a couple of things at once.
	That's the thing that I'm always frustrated with is there's such an absolutist thought about funding everything or an approach to problems.
	We're not going to house these homeless people until we give all of our veterans medicine.
	Well, why not do both at the same time?
	They're not mutually exclusive things.
	But the Hodge twins, they say that black people in general don't care about this kind of stuff.
	But Stephen steps in to say that he knows better.
	OK, cool.
	And you know, I think, too, black people just don't care.
	Well, a lot of them do.
	When I spoke there, there was a lady getting her hair done.
	She said, you know, what do you think?
	She called me back after the conversation was over.
	She said, what do you think about people who come here, you know, and they don't learn the language.
	Like they don't learn English.
	I said, okay, well, it's interesting that you asked me that.
	Because as a white person, if I answered it, typically I'd be accused of being racist.
	I think that we actually need a national language and it should be English.
	And I think that we need to have secure borders and know who's coming in.
	And they all, they all agreed.
	They brought it up.
	They all?
	They're so much more conservative than they often realize.
	But they're the biggest hypocrites.
	They run to the polls and 90% clip to vote for a Democrat, though, when they're fueling the problem.
	Well, I think it's changing, though.
	I think it's changing.
	But inherently, yeah, there's a disconnect.
	But my point is that all Americans who are here legally, by the way, even Latino, Latina, I'm not going to say Latinx because that's retarded.
	Hispanic Americans who are here legally believe that we need to have laws.
	Borders, historically, let me be clear here.
	They've always been crucial.
	Yeah, he does.
	Hold up.
	You sit down for a second.
	I went to a barbershop once, and a lady called me back, which I don't think that she called him.
	She didn't call him.
	She didn't call him.
	That is evidence of what, Steve?
	A whole ass culture shift based off of one conversation.
	What the fuck?
	Because you went to a barbershop for an hour?
	Yeah, they gave me a fade, and I kind of gave them a fade, kind of like a left-right, if you know what I'm saying, with big information.
	Yeah.
	You know, black people are saying these days that there should be a national language.
	Do you agree?
	It should be English.
	It's also funny that the Hodgspans are surprised that black people are voting Democrat.
	They should also understand that many voters are not single-issue voters.
	Great point.
	I would say that most voters are not single-issue voters.
	So, of course you might make reservations based on your issues, you know, because there's definitely issues that are more important to me.
	Immigration is lower on that list.
	So this has been kind of like an aggressive, heavy episode.
	So I'd like to take a second.
	I mean, it's been funny so far.
	It's comedy.
	Yeah.
	You're having a really good time and everyone else is, too.
	I think this is kind of a funny little moment.
	The Hodge twins acting confused and being confusing.
	Okay.
	Like Chinese and Japanese.
	They all look alike to me.
	They all look Muslim.
	What?
	Chinese and Japanese?
	What the hell are you talking about?
	No, I'm talking about Mexicans.
	Like, we went to London, did some comedy shows.
	It was fun.
	We was doing a show in London, right?
	And Carol's like, man, I didn't know there were so many Mexicans in London.
	Dad's like, I think they're Muslim.
	Are they laughing at your jokes?
	One of them's ticking.
	A little punch up on the racism.
	Nice.
	He's really good at it, so I know I can just get right in there with this.
	That was a nonsense clip.
	That didn't mean anything.
	But yeah, remember earlier, I guess he kind of set the stage for this conversation.
	It's time for everyone on the right to stop feeling guilty about... Don't feel guilty.
	Don't be, don't be browbeaten.
	We just talked about Sean Strickland.
	We talked about there's a cultural shift.
	Donald Trump was a bull in a china shop.
	No one cares anymore if you say, yep, we need a border.
	Fetterman's saying it.
	Now you have Kamala Harris saying it and trying to blame Republicans.
	At one point in time, if you said, hey, we need to create a wall, people would say racist, racist, racist, racist.
	The left isn't even trying to use that accusation anymore.
	Why?
	Because of how bad their policies have...
	I love that most of the people were like, the wall's not gonna fix the problem.
	Exactly!
	Nobody said the wall was racist, they said it was fucking dumb.
	They said that the Muslim ban was racist, and the wall doesn't work.
	Yes, that's what people were saying.
	Similar, and the timing is, wow, right next to each other, I'm sure.
	I think I got more wall talk real quick.
	Back then it was, hey, this is cruel, we need to give amnesty, we need to allow dreamers.
	There are kids who were born here, and through no fault of their own, we can't deport their parents.
	That's what they were saying.
	And so they said Donald Trump was racist during that dynamic when he said, they're not setting their brightest.
	If you don't have a border, you're not going to have a country anymore, folks.
	Imagine today how they would call him racist when they're trying to say that they're securing the border.
	They can't.
	Well, I mean, he can find a way to make it racist.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't just the Muslim ban.
	He does a great Trump.
	Yeah, he does.
	It's an impressive Trump.
	Not as good as Jamie Foxx, though.
	No, of course not.
	We gotta stop feeling guilty.
	I've been feeling really guilty anyway as a white male.
	Because I'm supposed to?
	That's the only reason.
	Great.
	But Jared, you were talking a little bit about the costs of the wall and that being the reason the left tends to not think it's a good idea.
	Oh, I wasn't saying the cost, but just I think that the wall's just not going to stop people from coming over.
	That's what I was saying.
	But also, I mean, like the cost of the wall is also like it's incredibly expensive.
	And what like a company from Bozeman or something took the lead on it for a while.
	They were like the first contractors to get it.
	And it was like, I don't know, like something like double digits, millions.
	Let's hear what Steve has to say about it real quick.
	So the estimated cost, this comes from NPR, by the way, the gayest of news sources.
	And their estimate is a wall 11 billion dollars.
	11 billion dollars, that's an estimate.
	You can find it as high as 20-something billion.
	Do you know how much the average taxpayer has to pay, or collectively?
	For illegal immigrants in this country.
	Illegal immigration, it costs taxpayers $150 billion a year.
	$150 billion a year.
	So you have the pragmatic argument, of course it's far more expensive to support this system.
	Then it is to simply create a wall or have some basic border security.
	By the way, the wall is just kind of a catch-all term, meaning, of course, we need to actually have systems in place that prevent people from coming here illegally, cyber security, all of that.
	Right, yeah.
	$11 billion, $150 billion.
	Cyber security?
	You know when you, like, email someone a virus and he downloads it and then you've got to have an immigrant in your house?
	Well, yeah.
	They're like, hey man, I live in the guest bedroom now.
	You open a sketchy PDF and then some guy just walks in the door.
	Trojan horse.
	Micron into my den.
	Yeah, hey, sorry.
	I know what this looks like, but I'm going to use all of your stuff.
	And also, when that paper ballot shows up, I'm going to use it.
	It's I'm surprised that he didn't mention that like the the Senate Democrats it got up to like 70 billion dollars that they were estimating the cost.
	I think the bigger thing is it just a wall wouldn't work.
	Of course which is is where this goes further if if a wall stopped a hundred percent or crossing of the border.
	Then it would be a different conversation.
	Of course, but there's tunnels.
	There is slides like Jared said.
	I walked 300 miles and now this steel atrocity is going to stop me and then they just turn around.
	They found 224 tunnels between the US and Mexico between 1990 and 2016.
	How many ladders?
	And that's just the ones that they found.
	So we need a wall that goes core of the earth to the moon.
	That might help.
	Okay.
	It would cost a lot more.
	And that's the thing, it's like, of course no one's gonna take that seriously when it's just simply not a solution.
	And, I mean, he kind of halfway said it, like, the wall isn't just the wall, but they... I think that a handful of the people who... Well, I think most of the people that are in support of the wall, like, really remember it being, like, a pretty rockin' moment in their lives back in the 70s.
	I see what you're doing.
	I get it.
	We gotta build the wall from the core to the dark side of the moon.
	It worked really well back then.
	I think it could work again now.
	The big thing about the wall was when Trump said that Mexico was gonna pay for it.
	Remember when that was the worst things were?
	Jesus Christ.
	It's not about the cost.
	It's about the actual viability of it as a solution.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, uh, you know, I mean, I don't know.
	Fuck it.
	Fuck it.
	Then there's the moral argument.
	Well, how do you cut down on sex trafficking?
	How do you cut down on slave labor?
	It's the same answer.
	Good news is it's more affordable.
	What's more affordable?
	The wall.
	We'll cut down on slave labor.
	It'll morally cost less.
	Slave labor is more affordable now than it's ever been.
	Oh that's what he's saying?
	There's a bit of a conversation, I'm not sure if I pulled the clip of it, but they do that right-wing talking point saying that there's more slavery right now than there was during the slave trade.
	And he's gonna totally blow your mind and say it's because of Prisons.
	Does he say that?
	No.
	I mean, that would make sense.
	That's actually pretty interesting.
	No, he doesn't want prison reform.
	And also, I did dive trying to figure out where that comes from, what is the reality of it, and it is kind of complicated because, you know, history isn't terribly well documented, but It certainly seems though with all evidence that right now there isn't more slavery.
	I mean we could argue definitions of what slavery is as well.
	It's deceptive.
	It's not true, but it does startle people, shakes them up.
	It does, and if you want to help eliminate those things you have to have processing.
	That would be valuable.
	You have to process.
	You have to know who's coming in, right?
	You have to process those people when they arrive.
	That'd be great.
	We should hit him with the Geocities guestbook.
	There we go, yes.
	There we go, sign in, folks.
	Sign this.
	Check it out on 2Cows.
	Well, speaking of ancient history, right?
	Remember all that melting pot stuff?
	No, doesn't matter.
	And this is something else too, people will constantly point to, I just don't want you to be tripped up with this argument, the Statue of Liberty, give us your tired, your poor, your hungry, okay, here's the thing, compare if you look at people who came to this country, the Irish, the Jews, Italians, Germans, depending on the era, they came to a country with no promise of anything.
	In return, a lot of them.
	It was, alright, go, go and try your hand at taming the United- give it a whirl, it's the new world.
	That's very different when people are fleeing persecution, or they're fleeing famine, or they're fleeing tyranny, versus people who are coming to a country to benefit from a welfare state to the tune of $150 billion from taxpayers.
	It's not the same thing.
	It is a fundamental difference In the reason as to why people are migrating here.
	If people were migrating here right now, you could have, you know what?
	You technically could have open borders.
	If you said, okay, you come to this country, you get zero.
	You get zero social safety net benefits, no social security, you don't get to go into a hospital and leave, they will cuff you unless you pay cash.
	If you said that and you ensured that people were not gaming the system, treating them like the immigrants of the early 19th century, or pick your decade, Guess what?
	You wouldn't have the problem.
	People are coming here for free stuff.
	I don't know if you get social security benefits as a migrant.
	I mean, you don't have a social security number.
	And I think there's a process that you can go through with the Department of Homeland Security to acquire that kind of stuff.
	Yeah, there is.
	Seems like there's a system in place.
	Yeah, there's a system.
	You have to process through the system.
	I don't know where people get this that people are immigrating here and then trying to just get a bunch of free stuff.
	There's opportunity, which is certain.
	Yeah, there's opportunity.
	There's safety.
	But if I was sneaking into a country, as it's implying that they are, I would not want to submit my name in paperwork and be like, hey, pay attention to me.
	I wouldn't want that.
	I would want to lay low.
	I'd want to be like, find me a job under the table.
	Sure.
	I don't, I wouldn't want to apply for welfare benefits.
	The reason they do this is because people associate Democrats with welfare queens or whatever.
	Sure.
	And then they're like, all right, cool.
	We'll also link them up with the immigrants and call them welfare queens.
	Well, it's interesting you bring that up.
	We're about to talk about that in just a minute.
	That's what they do.
	Yeah.
	It's just more fear-mongering and I feel like a broken record.
	I also want to mention that he talked about health care as if, uh... If someone was injured or sick.
	Just gonna let them die on the floor because they're brown?
	Yeah.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Well, if they can't pay their bill, then... Repo man stuff.
	Get out of here.
	Yeah, break their fingers off.
	Cool.
	Sucks.
	Here's, I guess, the final word from the Hodge twins.
	Yeah.
	My parents when they came, they never took, not my parents, my wife's parents,
	they never took any welfare or anything.
	They said because they didn't want to be a leech on the system and then when we go to grocery stores
	and you see all these immigrants in grocery stores, all of them had EBT cards, which is welfare.
	It's like, man, that's just.
	It's California, yeah.
	How does he know who the immigrants are?
	Every time you go in the grocery store, it's like the majority of the population is Latino, and they all have that same bank card with the mountains on it.
	Did someone find the card that they're talking about, the research, the bank card with the mountains on it?
	And all of them got nice cars.
	Buying lobster and steak.
	Interesting, so 49% of the population is Hispanic or Latino in Los Angeles County.
	Okay.
	But to him... They're all immigrants.
	They're all immigrants.
	And they're all eating real good, according to Gerald.
	Eating lobster and steak.
	I love he throws that in.
	Yeah, that's some old-school Gerald.
	It's just one of those things where it's like, you see people who close the door on the way in.
	Yeah.
	That's, I think, really disappointing.
	The people I see speaking out against these immigrants are like, their lives are the product of immigration, right?
	Sure.
	Like Trump with Melania, the harsh ones mentioning his wife's parents immigrating, right?
	You have to recognize for the fact that we are all immigrants in this country.
	Not all of us, but I am.
	You are.
	We go back a few generations.
	It's happening, right?
	And also, I too see a lot of immigrants using EBT cards when I go to the store.
	Is that right?
	Of course.
	I thought you were going to hit us with the big lib, like we're technically all immigrants here.
	Every EBT card is being used by an immigrant.
	So, so exactly.
	If you're here, then technically you're an immigrant.
	And then also, yeah, you're poor.
	That's why, that's why you're doing your own shopping even.
	Great.
	Yeah, the real problem is we have too many people who are poor in this country.
	Which brings us to the last clip of tonight.
	I think this is one of Steven's racist origins.
	Strap in, this is an interesting little story that he feels the need to, you know, bring up at the end.
	Okay.
	There was a Christmas where we had an old television that we got from a sports bar from my cousin in Montreal.
	And it was, I mean, this was furniture.
	This thing was huge.
	Like Reagan was president when this TV existed.
	And for Christmas, finally, I got my parents a new TV.
	Back then it was plasma, which was, you know, that was the new, and it was like four, oh my God, 45 inches.
	That was crazy.
	It was huge.
	I could pick it up and hold it, too.
	Think of Peter Dinklage.
	His line for being rich was, each, I have three homes, each with a 50 inch plasma screen.
	Like nowadays, you go to Costco, that's where the poor people shop.
	They're like 50 inches.
	70 at least, bitch.
	I know, I know.
	That's how good things get technologically.
	So we put it for free on Craigslist, this old TV, when I got my parents a new one, and the people who came to pick it up were Latino, and they were laughing their asses off at my parents for having this old cheap TV.
	At this point they had smart phones and they were like taking pictures like, look how poor white people are!
	My parents were like, could you just take, we're giving it to you for free.
	You don't need to humiliate us.
	Ah, white privilege!
	It's a Canadian, too!
	What's that haircut?
	Five dollars over here, I'm a fade, bitch!
	So they just came to make fun of your parents?
	They just came to make fun of my parents.
	And they carried it out, like, we're probably going to put it in the trash.
	Really?
	We just wanted it for a joke.
	We didn't think it was real.
	They were mocking my, not, like, they weren't mean about it.
	They were pretty mean about it.
	They couldn't believe, and that's just because my parents were saving to get into a house, and hey, you know what ends up happening?
	Doesn't matter!
	We had Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, we had Frank Dodd, where at that point, hey, people who couldn't get in a house, got a house with no money down, in the name of, it's all in the name of diversity, just to be clear.
	It's all in the name of equity, rather than equality.
	And then you had people like my parents, who ran into a situation where they could put 20% down, and then at that point, no, no, no, sorry, because we got screwed and the market crashed.
	So these other people were living in houses, driving cars they couldn't afford, buying electronics that they had no business buying, and laughing at people like my parents, my family, or myself who saved money wisely.
	You live in foolishness long enough, you descend into evil, and that is what is happening with the immigration situation in this country.
	It is evil to not seal these borders.
	Two minutes.
	He says so much.
	He says so much in those two minutes.
	He basically just like... I don't understand what he's even saying.
	He gave away a TV and they like... Picture this.
	Picture this.
	It's Christmas.
	It's blizzarding outside.
	You sold your comb so that you could buy Your mom and dad a TV, I guess, for your brand new fave that you just caught earlier.
	After they suffered with a big behemoth from the Reagan administration era.
	Yeah, they had a furniture TV.
	They had a racist TV.
	And so you're a good son and you sold the comb.
	You got them the new TV.
	Ooh, it's so cold out.
	And can you believe it this group of banditos roll up on probably horseback after having seen your parents listing on the book of Craig out there and you know in the free section they're browsing and they said and I'm sorry to say this what are you retarded?
	So bad.
	And so Stephen, jaw agape, just collecting snow in his mouth, looks at his parents with just disgust in his face.
	I'll never let Mexicans in or around or near my family ever again.
	As long as I live.
	I'll start a show about it.
	I mean, the worst thing I think is the assumption that this family, I don't think they made fun of his family, one, but that they were also on welfare, but had nice cars and cell phones.
	Why were they getting a bad TV?
	What was that?
	Why were they getting a bad TV if they didn't want it?
	Oh, to make fun of these white people.
	Oh, is that why?
	That's kind of what he's saying.
	I don't think this happened, really.
	It didn't happen?
	I don't think it did.
	It did.
	Bandidos on horseback from there looking at Craigslist.
	It happened.
	But but then he brings in the narrative of them like going through a hardship during the the the housing crisis in 2000 when it must have been 2008, right?
	Yeah, when Stephen was 20 years old.
	Yeah, I don't His family did not have a Reagan TV in 2008.
	Yeah, and because they were, you know, hard-working American, well Canadian.
	They were saving, yeah, God We had some old TVs in the house even then.
	Maybe in 2008.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	But it's just such a such a weird telling story.
	It definitely is like the Batman origin story.
	It's one of them.
	What's interesting to me about this is that he didn't mention the immigration status of these people at all.
	He mentioned the race only.
	Yeah, which means that there's implication that they were on food stamps.
	I know, but he's implying that if you are an immigrant here, you're as poor.
	Yes.
	That's not the case.
	You know what actually I heard is that they kicked the TV over and they started a fire inside the dome of it, inside the screen, and they put a grate over the top of it.
	You know what they busted out?
	Lobster tails and steaks.
	Of course, they got it there.
	Straight with their little mountain card.
	They did a Southern Boil, lobster tail only.
	What a way to wrap up the day.
	Folks, I don't know if I was to rate this return... 3 out of 10.
	Low energy, low effort.
	It was a real stinker, yeah.
	We had a tone to boot as well.
	We gave it as much as they did.
	And that's not our fault.
	No, it's just, what are you going to say about it?
	Yeah.
	You know, we didn't cover really, and like, I think that this is important.
	This is just sort of like the last thing that our shows rhymed this last couple of weeks with their comeback here.
	It's like the last moments of the show, they find the card that they're talking about, like the mountains or whatever.
	Yeah.
	The mountain EBT card.
	They say, you know, welfare, it's so embarrassing and it should be embarrassing.
	You know, chronic users of welfare.
	You know, I made three or four black people agree with me that drug testing should be required for welfare at my haircut.
	Gerald says something to the effect of like, yeah, I had a gun on me.
	Yeah.
	Oh, they knew it was loaded.
	Gerald says something about, um, it's called a safety net, not a safety hammock or something like that.
	Like you're not supposed to take a nap in it for as long, but as we found out, that's the origin story of the Hodge twins.
	Yeah.
	Is that they bullied the welfare system for a year and that's how they started their whole thing.
	That they're going in on this and they're all these like, you know, Gerald's are telling him that this is embarrassing.
	Why would anyone do this?
	It's embarrassing.
	Well, my friends, you're hosting these two gentlemen on your fair network.
	Welfare Kings.
	Welfare Kings themselves.
	And they were happy.
	They had done it as kids and they had done it as adults to transition into working for you.
	Just something there.
	Yeah, we've learned so much.
	Fight sports.
	Fight sports.
	A lot of cool guys.
	We also learned a lot of poetic stuff about evil and foolishness.
	If foolishness is in your eyes, your evil will be your hearts afire.
	That makes sense.
	Sanctimonious, it's closing time on your weird face.
	And I hope his calves recover.
	I hope so.
	God can only know.
	If I had to describe this episode in one word, refreshing.
	Well, if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	Actually, keep it to yourself this week.
	Yeah, don't care.
	Sorry, guys.
	Find us on X at Van Crowder.
	Louder with Crowder.net, of course.
	Let's get some rest and prepare for a really interesting Monday.
	I'm stoked to find out what coffee is for.
	I have a feeling that something significant, legally, is going to keep it from actually being a big dump of something.
	Yes.
	I don't think they're going to be able to talk about it, but they're going to sure as hell try to make a whole show about it.
	They're going to use it to drum up Mug Club participants because they're going to say that they need more support in order to release it.
	Oh, it's going to be great.
	Yeah, until then, rate and review us on iTunes, Spotify, 4Dennis, and Jared.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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