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Jan. 8, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 17: PIERS 1 (DECEMBER 12th, & 19TH)

Rolling into 2024, the LwC gang and Mug Club are on hiatus, giving us a second to play catch up with a free speech "debate" Steven had with Piers Morgan. We'll talk about the baiting lead-up to this, and the appearance itself. I'm starting to see why they're taking a break. Things aren't working very well over there. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	Funny but also sad.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast Louder With Crowder.
	My name's Byron.
	I'm joined tonight by Dennis.
	On this holiest of days.
	And Jared.
	Hello my sweet little bowls of chowder.
	Happy J6 boys.
	Seizing the day.
	Storming the day.
	We're storming the day.
	Wow.
	Do you remember how strong you felt that day?
	You'd open up your phone and there would be like every, you know, 20 minutes there's a new, oh my god, they're breaking into the doors now.
	Yep.
	Oh my god, the windows are being shattered.
	It was so dumb.
	While it was happening, it continues to just, like, build off of that initial pile of shit.
	Yeah.
	And it just stinks to high heavens.
	And now we're living in the, uh, aftermath where all these people, all these lovely patriots- Still locked up.
	They're going- Going to prison.
	Unfairly.
	There were a couple protests today.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Wow.
	We should go and chat with them and get like a shrug club undercover.
	No.
	This is their day.
	Let them have it.
	This is their day.
	Respect their day.
	Yeah.
	I remember I was working at a coffee roastery.
	I mean, I spent the whole day.
	Morning was on the Donald.
	I listened to Donald's speech.
	The Donald still existed back then.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I had a bad feeling.
	A sinking feeling.
	He's saying some, like, really fucked up stuff right now.
	Totally.
	Like Jared said, everything kind of just kept escalating.
	It was the day that I went home early from work because it stressed me out so bad.
	It's funny you say that because I, like, looked around, kept walking back to my co-worker and being like, are you keeping up with this?
	No one is, like, doing anything but I'm hearing, like, a live Twitch feed.
	I was watching Baked Alaska's stream of him.
	More of a haddock head myself.
	I was working at the ice cream job back then.
	You were doing a where were you audition?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was like a really like easy thing to like throw in a batch of vanilla ice cream and then just go look at news for 10 minutes while it was like running.
	It just seemed very like nothing's happening, but everything was happening.
	Looking down on it, it's like, ugh.
	Speaking of nothing's happening, Steven's still on break.
	Is he still on break?
	Still on break.
	And not just louder with Crowder, Mug Club Wyatt is on hiatus with no set return date beyond January.
	January.
	They should have definitely come back today.
	I mean... Why wouldn't you?
	It's not a bad time to come back.
	That's a marketing tactic simple.
	Uh, well, he did drop a weird 2024 teaser, mostly talking about Christmas, Christ's redemption, and how it relates to his Rumble show.
	And it's coming after Christmas?
	Yeah, he also thanked From the bottom I think of everyone's heart here as a thank you.
	Alex Jones, The Network, Contributorships, Rumble, Manifesto, all of this is because of you and we can't thank you enough.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Did he start that with, from the bottom of everyone I think's heart or something?
	For most hearts, I think, I believe firmly that most hearts feel good.
	He thanked Mug Club for Alex Jones, the manifesto.
	Yep, yep.
	Again.
	I think when he finally comes back, there's going to be like a replatforming too.
	The restructuring.
	Yeah, because Callan's out.
	There's been layoffs.
	The Hodge twins just couldn't cut it.
	If they do come back, I don't think he'll mention it.
	No, mm-mm.
	He's not, he just doesn't care about it.
	The only contributor he thanked was Alex Jones from Monk Club?
	It seems like that.
	Yeah, okay.
	I mean, it's a longer clip, but I just thought that that was important.
	That's fine.
	So this week, while we wait for their return, I've decided to go back a couple weeks to something that we missed.
	An unfiltered and uncut debate over the definition of free speech.
	I love uncut.
	Yes, and whether controversial online figures who often cross the line into hate speech and or defamation should be banned from social media platforms.
	Steven Crowder on Piers Morgan's program.
	Great.
	Piers Morgan Uncensored.
	I love it.
	What is that air on?
	Something called Talk TV in the UK, but also YouTube.
	Uncensored is YouTube.
	YouTube is where it's uncensored, yeah.
	We'll also be talking about Steven's segment that got under Piers' skin leading to this debate, his Tuesday, December 12th episode of Louder with Crowder.
	Okay, so it was recent that he got under his skin.
	A couple weeks ago.
	What do you think of Pierce?
	He is kind of milquetoast.
	I don't think much about him.
	The only thing I remember watching him was when Alex Jones yelled at him about 1776.
	We will talk about that.
	You better believe it.
	That's like the only thing I really think about Piers Morgan.
	I know that he's obviously like kind of like a He's a fence city type of guy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's kind of been shunned.
	I know, but I don't know much about it.
	He seems like a baby bird.
	A lot of times, you know, he's out there, he's chirping and you're like, God, I wish that they would shut up.
	But then you're like, well, he's just alive.
	He's a baby bird.
	He's just trying to get fed.
	All right.
	All right.
	Do you hate birds, Jared?
	Yeah.
	What the hell?
	You know, there's birds outside your window and they're like chirping all day and maybe it just gets a little, you know, starts to get grating on your soul.
	Sure.
	I don't have any... I think Jared's having a bad day.
	I am having a bit of a last couple of hours of my life here, but... Too many birds.
	Too many birds, too many phone calls.
	Not enough bees.
	I don't agree with Pierce for the most part, and I don't really like his... I mean, he's got a lot of strong stances on trans and... I don't even know.
	I do think it's kind of an interesting program that he's running, because he tends to talk to people that are on my radar.
	Sure, yeah, I think that he... I do appreciate that.
	He has probably a broad scope of people Interacts with but but so does guar.
	I yeah, he likes what I was just reading something else.
	I'm sorry This is super tangential.
	I was reading about Nick DiPaolo.
	Do you know if he still works for a Gutfield?
	I don't know something that we should probably look into I was looking at Gutfield stuff for a second here but then I was like why is power trip keep coming up with his name and Apparently when Riley Gale died Gutfield was like, this is horrible.
	He was such like a great performer.
	I was like What?
	Oh, no, because Red Eye, of course, yeah.
	Yeah, he used to have gore all the time on his show.
	Yeah, just right below it said that he's like buds with gore underneath it.
	So that just like made me connect back all the way.
	There was a simpler time where Red Eye was actually kind of an entertaining program.
	Totally, yeah.
	And Jared, that's why I thought of Guar, was that entire trade you just went on.
	Interesting.
	Weird.
	Small group of folks here, I guess.
	Yeah, I remember watching that when my mother was watching Fox News and I said, what the fuck is Guar on the TV?
	Isn't that guy about to kill Britney Spears?
	Right up top, Steven lets us know how he feels about Pierce.
	Okay.
	I'm not a fan.
	I know that now he's trying to rebrand himself as this, you know, free speech advocate by hosting a bunch of different people.
	But when Push comes to show, he really does show his true colors.
	When Puss comes to... I'm sorry.
	When Pussy Boy comes to bring a red comb.
	They've got the pre-holiday giggles.
	They're like ready to be done.
	And early in the show they said it was a slow news day and they end up spending a majority of the show on electric car battery disposal.
	Sure, yeah.
	Really cool Tuesday.
	Yeah, sounds like a good discussion.
	Dennis, I saw you smirk a little bit when he accidentally said puss too, so you're not better than Josh or the other guys.
	No, not at all.
	No, not at all.
	I didn't expect them to go down that joke, but you know.
	Yeah, so it was an opinion piece in the New York Post that rubbed Steven and the boys or whoever writes his show in the wrong way.
	Yesterday in an article at the New York Post, Piers Morgan was whining about Elon Musk letting Alex Jones back on X. And if you're on YouTube, you didn't see us yesterday with Alex Jones here on this show.
	And we're really happy, really proud of the fact that, you know, Mug Club, you guys, helped re-platform him.
	And if you want to continue this, you know, you have the Nashville Manifesto, Alex Jones being re-platformed.
	None of this happens without your support.
	Of course.
	Going right back to that.
	Sign the petition, please.
	Sign the petition so you can get my emails, which I have to say, Christmas Miracle, as soon as the National Manifesto petition started, I've been getting daily and sometimes twice daily emails, news articles that they're writing on their website.
	So this is their rebranding of Louder with Crowder into like a Daily Wire type news website.
	Yeah, a news website, a blog rather than just the show.
	Which is kind of interesting because I think it's, they only have one writer that I've seen on their website, a guy named Brogan.
	Brogan's working double duty, probably getting paid something.
	Nothing.
	Well, likely nothing.
	Whatever he's getting paid, he can't talk about it.
	Yeah.
	Huge Mug Club plug up top.
	He's sweetening the deal.
	I want you to know.
	Okay.
	When you sign up, not only do you get the Daily DePaulo, Brian Callen, Hodge Twins, for now, an hour of Alex Jones every Friday, Guns and Gear, you also get, if, well, if you signed up...
	A while ago.
	Two weeks ago.
	Okay.
	You get a free copy of Beautiful Differences, my children's book that we have tens of thousands of printings.
	Once they're gone, they're gone.
	Between now and Christmas.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Beautiful Differences.
	Beautiful Differences.
	Can we do like a live reading of that and discuss it?
	I considered buying a shirt so I could get a copy.
	Can we pirate it and then read it?
	Well, I thought it would make sense if I got the the free Dodge Raptor or whatever that they were giving away to or the PS5 because we could sell it and then, you know, put it into the show, of course.
	And I get a free copy of Beautiful Differences, the book that Steven partnered with Brave Books to produce.
	It shares the...
	Didn't he just make one- he just made a man though.
	and girls are girls that God created every person uniquely and that's just
	the way he intended them at birth. Page one girls are pink page two boys are
	blue. Didn't he just make one he just made a man though God.
	And then the man made the woman from his rib? Yeah God used part of the man
	to make a woman or something. I have a theory about this book. Okay. Published
	October 30th 2022.
	Ooh long time ago. Yeah brave books. When they're gone they're gone folks.
	Right? Yeah. So brave books they believe that the enemy is firing arrows at the
	hearts and minds of your kids. Like Cupid's arrow?
	Nothing more, the enemy, than to leave your family weak, your children confused, and their value system destroyed.
	But of course, brave books will unite your family, engage imaginations, and instill godly values.
	Nice, I love a good godly value stabbed right into my heart.
	And how are they gonna do that, Jared?
	Well, through the clear lack of imagination, of course, Byron.
	Well, not quite, with very imaginative books like Elephants Are Not Birds, which of course- That's a Walsh one, right?
	I don't know, did he write that one?
	I feel like I've heard him talk about... They're all kind of the same thing, just anti-trans or you're born the way you are boys.
	Totally.
	Nope.
	Somebody mentioned it though, maybe... And then, of course, there's Paws Off My Cannon.
	Is that like Get Your Hands Off My Dick?
	It's a Don't Take My Guns book, of course.
	Oh, okay, cool.
	Second Amendment.
	What the hell, man?
	Jesus.
	Get Your Hands Off My Dick, bro!
	Paws Off My Cannon!
	It follows Bongo, a daring and hungry gorilla who loves eating food, especially mushroom-shaped cupcakes.
	Interesting.
	Whoa!
	But one day, a villainous hyena shoots a coconut at Bongo and his friend Bonnie.
	Bonnie is so upset at the misuse of the coconut cannons that she suggests the village ban all coconut cannons.
	Okay.
	Bongo thinks that the hyenas are the problem, not the coconut cannons.
	So let me make sure.
	So Bongo was eating the cupcake.
	Yeah.
	With Bonnie, probably.
	The hyenas shot the coconut cannon.
	Yeah.
	And it scared Bonnie.
	And then Bongo said, no, it's fine.
	Let them have the cannon.
	They can have the cannon, but they're the problem.
	So take it away from just them.
	I think it's just, I haven't read the book.
	Sure.
	And so the gorilla doesn't die.
	His family doesn't die.
	His friends don't die.
	You know what I do?
	This is actually what I do when I'm watching, you know, like my friend's kids.
	And if somebody hits another kid with a stick, what I do is I just give the other kid a stick too.
	That's a pretty... I just let all the kids have sticks.
	That's a pretty good idea.
	In reality, if this was a gun, as it metaphorically is.
	Yes.
	Bongo would just be dead, so he couldn't even say anything.
	I know, he just scared.
	I don't, I don't think that the cannon shot a coconut at him and hit him.
	But metaphorically, the cannon is a gun.
	Yes.
	And Bongo, if Bongo was dead, Bongo wouldn't give a shit about... I think we're missing the point.
	That Bongo didn't get hit.
	He got, he got missed by the coconut.
	No, I understand that.
	Yes.
	So he wouldn't be dead.
	He didn't die.
	He just got scared.
	No, I understand he got scared.
	He shitted his little gorilla pants.
	Okay.
	I don't know what your point is.
	My point is just that if you minimize the severity of what the coconut cannon is, of course it's going to sound reasonable to justify, or like to manage it in that way.
	They would want nothing more than for us to think of a gun as just a tool.
	Exactly.
	Of course they're going to minimize it and act like it's never killed anybody before.
	Guns never hurt anybody!
	Guns don't kill people, hyenas kill people.
	Hyenas do.
	Yeah, and also, just so you guys know, the laws that they want to write apply to the people, not the guns.
	It's crazy.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	There's also a series centered around a place called Freedom Island.
	Yeah, that's the United States.
	They'd like that.
	However, I can't even buy the book on the Brave Books website.
	No?
	It was on Amazon briefly, it's no longer available, and it only got two reviews.
	Only two?
	Two?
	Both five stars, of course.
	It's great stuff.
	But the Goodreads had an average of 2.33 stars, which I thought, obviously, it's a bit weighted by Libs.
	However, by the three reviews that are written, they're all conservative.
	KTM says less than one star after giving it one star.
	Girls only interest talking?
	This book is not even good at being supportive of gender roles, which it was supposed to be conservative and weird that they even failed at that.
	Isn't it crazy that they try and talk about gender roles in a productive way and they fail at it?
	Yeah, weird, right?
	Run Run Rose, whose avatar is a dog, is fine with it.
	Three stars.
	Cute.
	Cute.
	And then Laura, who's reviewed a lot of books.
	Jesus!
	Almost 300 books.
	290 reviews, Laura!
	Said One Star, I try to avoid giving brave books one star, but this is by far the laziest.
	I think they just didn't sell any books because it sucks, even it being a conservative book, and that Brave Books sent them back to Steven, which happens oftentimes.
	I think, yeah, like the publisher's like, yeah, we're not selling these.
	You gotta take them back.
	I've had to buy my own record a couple times.
	Damn, that is... Yeah, I feel that.
	And now he's giving away as many as possible to lower taxable inventory ahead of him.
	Yeah, that's definitely what he's doing.
	That's what he's doing.
	Yeah, it's a fun aside and great stocking stuffer.
	Yeah.
	Let's get back on track.
	Okay.
	Pierce Morgan!
	Asshole.
	Go ahead.
	Quick little Lindell clip, which I do think that that's kind of a funny clip.
	I like Lindell.
	Remember when Lindell called that guy an asshole during that deposition?
	Yeah, he got really yeeted.
	But what did Pierce say in the New York Post?
	Elon Musk couldn't have been more wrong about Alex Jones.
	He's not a free speech hero.
	He's a hate speech monster.
	So that brings us to this week's installment of Rules for the... Not For Me.
	Great.
	Pierce doesn't have a great history with Alex Jones.
	I think it's fine.
	1776 will commence again!
	So soon after Sandy Hook, Alex launched a petition on the White House website to have Pierce deported from America for, quote, attacking the Second Amendment.
	That sounds like an attack on free speech from Alex Jones.
	Interesting, right?
	Yeah.
	And when he came, he being Alex, came on the Pierce CNN show to explain what he did, that legendary clip.
	This is from Pierce's piece.
	He behaved like a shrieking maniac, infamously bellowing, Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the guns, Mao took the guns, Fidel Castro took the guns, Hugo Chavez took the guns, and I'm here to tell you, 1776!
	Commence again if you try and take our firearms.
	I should note, after the segment had shockingly good ratings, it was a buzzy little- As you were saying that, it's like it was fading into Alex's voice playing in my head.
	It's like I was having PTSD of watching that clip.
	Sure.
	I mean, it hit.
	Very, very popular.
	Yeah, it was viral for sure.
	Soul-leaving-your-body kind of feeling?
	Sure.
	Oh no, he's here.
	After that, Alex begged, borderline stalked Pierce trying to set up a second appearance, saying it would be mutually beneficial for both of us.
	Fuck off, man.
	And when it didn't work, when Pierce told him to fuck off, Alex ambushed him several months later at a Houston gun store that he found out Pierce was shooting another segment at.
	Announced this on the air that he was going to be there.
	Oh no.
	A mob of 50 other Second Amendment rights people showed up outside as well.
	Oh no.
	To harass and kind of terrify peers.
	Yeah, what the fuck is that?
	It's not good and interesting.
	That's a classic Alex Jones.
	He loves to do ambush journalism.
	If we're talking about bad choices involving the safety and well-being of other people,
	he's not above, you know, saying...
	It's interesting just as we like go through their actual interview,
	like how Steven positions himself to never have to take a stand really in any of this.
	Now that you're saying this, a lot more things are starting to, like, they're clicking in my head.
	After having listened to the interview a couple times, it was just very...
	Yes.
	I hear what you're saying, but then there's more information peripherally about it.
	Man, that really paints this whole interview in a very strange way for me now.
	When we get to the Pierce Uncensored interview, you'll see just how much Stephen does cherry-pick and avoids absolutely everything involving the dark history and the truth of what Alex did surrounding Sandy Hook.
	Yeah.
	Pierce ended his New York Post piece addressing Elon saying, you were right the first time.
	Referencing his ban off of Twitter now.
	He's saying it was appropriate to ban Alex Jones and should have left him off.
	That's it.
	Which is I guess enough to inspire Steven to spend half of his show talking about this.
	Yeah.
	We're spending our whole show talking about him talking about that for half of his show.
	So we're going to have double the show, two shows next time.
	Someone should cover our show.
	Yeah, eventually we'll be at billions of shows.
	Talking louder than Crowder.
	Louder than, louder than Crowder.
	The after show, yeah.
	Even louder, can that be our after show?
	I think it was something else that inspired Steven to talk out about this, and that was a guest that Pierce had on the night before, the Monday of that week.
	Okay, who was it?
	It was Count Dankula.
	Fuck yeah, dude, I would be upset if Count Dankula was on the show.
	Yeah, what does Dankula think about Elon reinstating Alex?
	Yeah, I think he's completely right in doing it.
	Why?
	Elon Musk's company, so if he wants Alex Jones back on the platform, then he absolutely can.
	Is there a line, though, on free speech at all for you?
	For me, personally, no.
	Hang on.
	Yeah, this guy's Scottish.
	What does he know about dank?
	I think that Alex Jones should be able to go on Twitter.
	If they want him there, then that's fine.
	They can have him there.
	Do you think what he said about the Sandy Hook massacre was justified, then?
	Justified?
	He has the right to say it.
	I wouldn't say it was justified.
	These were statements which you repeatedly made which led to actual intimidation, harassment, death threats and people in the street going up to these people and confronting them, these parents.
	You think all that is fine?
	I don't think it's fine.
	I never said it's fine.
	I said he has a right to do it.
	Does he have a right to do it?
	Yeah, agreeing that someone has a right... You think he has a right to do that?
	Yeah, I think he has a right to do it.
	Agreeing that someone has a right to do something isn't the same as agreeing with what they say.
	If we're saying, oh, this guy's not allowed to say he has conspiracy theories or whatever you want to call them because some crazy guy out there might do something mental, then nobody can talk about anything at all.
	Well, you can.
	There are limits to free speech.
	There are everything else.
	Even the First Amendment.
	America has a number of limitations to it.
	You seem to be familiar with Count Dankula.
	I've never heard of Count Dankula.
	Really?
	Yeah, I like it though.
	I am deep diving our boy right now.
	Oh, I'll tell you all about him.
	Mark Meechan.
	Mark Meechan.
	He's a Scottish YouTuber and comedian who gained attention and faced legal troubles due to a controversial video that he posted in 2016.
	Do you know anything about this yet?
	Is it the Technoviking guy?
	No, it's... I just really wanted to be a techno-rocking guy.
	In the video he posted, he taught his girlfriend's pug to perform a Nazi salute in response to the phrase, Sieg Heil, and then react excitedly to gas the Jews.
	Cool!
	Yeah, he got in a lot of hot water.
	He's also like 36 years old and he has snakebite piercings.
	Wow.
	Keep it going.
	Yeah.
	Very cool.
	Interesting that he is still slightly relevant, but with a name like Count Dankula, how could you not?
	This dude doesn't smoke weed.
	You can look at him and tell this guy's never smoked a proper spleef.
	Oh my god, in three years, what if we find out Count Dankula's a fed?
	How great was that?
	He totally is, man.
	It's funny when I do it.
	It's not funny when he does it.
	I've been Johnny Appleweed and all kinds of cool names my whole life, you know.
	Dankula?
	Yeah, I came up with that in seventh grade, brother.
	But Steven's on to Pierce.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Of course.
	Let me guess.
	You're gonna use that old hack argument of yelling fire in a crowded theater, trying to grift off of the right wing as a free speech warrior when you don't understand the First Amendment?
	And I understand why you don't understand the First Amendment.
	Because you come from a country that doesn't have one!
	That's why we left!
	So he's basically just baiting Pierce at this point.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is how the Piers Morgan show works.
	I've watched quite a bit since the Gaza stuff has been going on.
	Because he's had a lot of different people on to talk about it.
	He's had a lot of voices come through, which I have to say is interesting.
	Yeah.
	Does Stephen come from a country that has a First Amendment?
	Well, I think technically he was born on the other side of the border and his mom is French-Canadian.
	It's like a dual citizenship.
	So was he like a two-year-old boy who was red-pilled and left because of freedom of speech?
	I don't know.
	We know Pops Crowder indoctrinated him at an early age.
	Probably.
	It was all Arthur, dude.
	Arthur did it.
	All right.
	Well, there's been a shocking lack of racism in this episode.
	I bet that changes.
	And he also lies, just to be clear.
	That's not why Alex Jones was removed from Twitter.
	He was removed for making fun of Oliver Darcy, a journalist from CNN who could be mistaken for, not saying is, an actual terrorist.
	So that's why he was removed.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Nice take.
	Yeah.
	It's just transparent.
	Does he even clarify what he means by that?
	I'd love to understand a little bit more about his perspective.
	So he states an Alex fact that will change as soon as he's on the air with Pierce, one that I've actually yet to verify in any real way.
	Okay.
	Not that it matters, but just how much Alex talked about Sandy Hook on his show.
	A ton.
	It depends on how you look at it.
	Okay.
	I think that the way, well, we'll talk about it at the other side of this.
	I mean, he spent something like 16 minutes over the course of years on Sandy Hook, apologized
	for it, said that it was, he screwed up, said he screwed up.
	He never called for violence or called for him to harass anybody.
	Piers Morgan doesn't understand what freedom of speech is, which is why when he goes out
	there and acts as though he's a platform hosting people of different points of view, it's a
	So I don't need to defend Pierce, really, but I think it is kind of annoying and obviously, again, baiting to repeatedly say that Pierce doesn't understand blank.
	Pierce Morgan has spent... First of all, he's a journalist.
	Second of all, he's spent a lot of time... Are you smoking weed over there?
	Count Dinkula?
	Is he German?
	Had to fucking prove it.
	Had to fucking prove it, Count Dankula.
	Your move, Count Dankula.
	Alright.
	Well, he spent a lot of time in the United States, and also a lot of time on these issues, specifically.
	I see this nothing more than Steven poking, and obviously he got what he wanted a week later.
	Stephen says 60 minutes over the course of 16.
	Did he say 16?
	And they referenced that back in the the last episode that we did too.
	Was it 16?
	Because on Pierce he says 22.
	How are they calculating this?
	Are they saying like the the seconds that his mouth opens and says words?
	Breath doesn't count.
	It's like a supercut.
	It's just vowels.
	What are we doing?
	No, I legitimately think it's that if he used the word Sandy Hook and then it's just sort of like the minute it takes or whatever to get the sentence out and then if he doesn't say Sandy Hook again after the period at the end of that sentence, I don't think they're counting that.
	When you think about how much we saw, even if you weren't paying attention to this stuff, like on the peripheral, you were constantly seeing Alex Jones talking about this or articles insinuating that he was talking about this stuff.
	But then in their minds, Steven and the boys, they're defending that on their end saying, well, actually he only said like, you know, Sandy Hook is this and that, and it only took me four seconds.
	So we'll put that four seconds right here.
	Like there must be like reading transcripts and then just, What I think it is... Averaging word count or something?
	What I think it's referencing is the minutes of Alex Jones' show that were admitted into evidence during the defamation trial in Texas.
	Okay, that could make sense.
	I would expect that has something to do with the court case for sure.
	And I'm sure the Knowledge Fight guys would know or someone of their listeners would be able to tell us but I was unable to confirm that but also at the end of the day it just doesn't matter.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	It's not like it's only offensive if you do it for 30 minutes or more.
	Like, what the fuck is that rule?
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter at all.
	They're trying to explicitly talk about a call to action, right?
	Like, he doesn't ever say do anything.
	Well, but him announcing that he's going to be at the Piers Morgan interview at the Houston Gun Shop or what have you.
	He was just saying where he's going to be.
	Yeah.
	I'm just telling you, I'm telling my fan base what, what this is, like knowing these people are activated already, that they're going to take any chance.
	It's like, you know, here we have the, the liquor store specs and a couple of months back, uh, Jesse Pinkman and, uh, Walter White showed up with their new tequila line.
	You know, they announced it like the night before.
	But it was just pandemonium out there, like around the liquor store that they're at.
	There's like 4,000 people trying to park their cars all at the same time.
	And screaming magnets, bitch!
	Kind of offensive.
	So it caused a little bit of a scene?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, like, you know, not everyone got to meet him or anything like that.
	And genuinely, like, these people are there to, like, have a good time and see, like, the celebrity that they like.
	It's no different from Jones, where he's like, he's a celebrity to these people and they like him.
	Where Mr. White and Jesse Chilipi, they're trying to get, you know, buy my tequila.
	Yeah, Chilipi himself.
	Buy our tequila.
	On the other hand, the Alex Jones fans are like, we're here for Piers Morgan's blood.
	Yeah.
	So it doesn't, you don't have to say it.
	It's like you already know what they're there for.
	Of course!
	And that's the thing that's, I think, really hard for Steven in his conversations, is they argue these semantics, they argue these logic puzzles.
	Yeah, he never actually said this.
	Exactly, and that's not the point.
	Alex was found guilty of defamation.
	No. Hard stop.
	Hard stop.
	No.
	Yep.
	No, that's a bunch of bullshit.
	It's a fact.
	However, and I don't know where this sits legally, but to me, sharing other people's defaming claims without question or pushback as a journalist is just as damaging as the words coming out of their mouth.
	I mean, you're amplifying a problem.
	Yeah, it's irresponsible.
	To use the thing that obviously Steven would hate me for using, but if someone said, you know, fire in a crowded theater, if you were like, what?
	And then you shouted it louder for them.
	Sure, yeah.
	Do you need my megaphone?
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Just a few folks that Alex platforms surrounding Sandy Hook.
	There's a former professor at Florida Atlantic University, James Tracy, who claimed that the shooting was a hoax and involved actors portraying grieving parents and families in a government-manufactured scenario.
	Okay.
	There's former professor of philosophy and author Jim Fetzer, known for promoting conspiracy theories.
	Obviously familiar to Alex even before this, because a lot of high-profile events that he accused of being not as they seem.
	JFK, 9-11, other mass shootings.
	Sure.
	Then, of course, Wolfgang Halbig, former Florida state trooper, quote-unquote school safety and security expert.
	He claimed the entire thing, the death of 20 children and six teachers, was fabricated, designed to push a gun control agenda.
	So he had three people on his show and did his own take on it in 16 minutes?
	That's a good point.
	That's amazing.
	Wow.
	Yeah, just a few of the total pieces of shit that he's platformed, people who Alex now acknowledges are wrong.
	He probably legally acknowledges they're wrong, but I'm sure he's like, no, no, no.
	It was during his trial.
	I crossed my fingers!
	That'd be interesting.
	Where is it in the Constitution that you can cross your fingers?
	This is another thing, too, that maybe would be interesting to explore is the relationship between the words host and platform.
	Because they kind of get into those weeds, too, a little bit.
	Like, Piers is hosting Crowder on his platform, right?
	Because it's Piers' platform.
	On Crowder's platform, or how would you say this?
	Alex Jones is a guest on the Crowder Show, but through Mug Club, of which he is the leader of, he's giving other people a platform.
	So he, as a network head, is then platforming Alex Jones?
	How do you guys see this?
	It comes down to the way the host interacts with the content, I think.
	I think that's a huge part of all of it.
	I think that, you know, if Steven is on clearly supporting Alex Jones, then I think that it's fair to say that Steven supports kind of those broad strokes opinions.
	Jones is hosting Crowder on Jones's platform that is hosted by Crowder.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	It's like Mug Club is Crowder.
	He's the guy, him and Gerald.
	Yeah.
	So, but then they have several shows underneath their umbrella.
	They are the sole proprietors of their own shows, but he's hosting them on their platform.
	So he's platforming these people to say these things, whereas Pierce is simply hosting them like in studio.
	As a guest, of course.
	As a guest.
	So it's like, it's like pretty different, right?
	Oh, it's very different.
	I mean, yeah.
	Steven lives at Alex Jones.
	Pierce just had him over and said, fuck that guy.
	Yeah.
	It's a big difference.
	Yeah.
	This is my roommate of whom we are legally bound.
	He's a shitty roommate.
	Yeah.
	But what's really wrong with Pierce writing an opinion piece in the New York Post?
	The problem is when you are writing in a major publication, You are calling for someone to be removed based on faulty information.
	So hit the like button if you agree with Count Dankula there.
	Yeah, I'm not gonna hit the like button.
	Fuck no.
	Not for Count Dankula.
	The little beaster buds over there.
	Yeah, speaking of buds, a voice we've yet to hear.
	Gerald, of course.
	Oh, ahoy!
	No, solid take.
	First ahoy joke of the new year.
	Gave you a pump to the fist there.
	And I love his point.
	He said, look, if you're worried that some random guy is going to go do something crazy because you talk about something that we can't talk about anything.
	That's the natural extension of this.
	He's like, if Alex can't go out and make these comments, he can be sued.
	Fine.
	But he's not driving people to go do something.
	He didn't say show up at these people's doorsteps.
	He didn't say go to their homes and follow them in their businesses and make... Wait a minute.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm talking like a congresswoman saying, get in their faces in public and make sure they don't have a comfortable life so that they can hear it.
	That's not what happened with Alex Jones.
	No.
	I mean, Alex did say some things that inspired people to do things.
	Yes.
	Implying that these people are crisis actors and that their children didn't die, it caused people to go harass them,
	threatening to or attempting to dig up the graves of these children to check if a body is in it.
	But Alex never said to do that.
	No, he just hosted multiple people who said that these grieving adults were liars and actors.
	I don't know about that.
	Working for the Democrat Party in the Obama administration to force through gun control.
	It's fucking gross and it does inspire evil.
	Would we consider that stochastic terrorism?
	Is that the word?
	It is definitely on the line of it.
	It's just... It's defamation.
	It is.
	Legally.
	Yeah, it is legally defamation.
	You can't reason with the logic that Stephen's bringing.
	No.
	He's convinced the only way that someone could be held legally accountable for something that somebody else does is if it's like...
	Please at this time, go to this place and do this thing.
	Like it was like a clear instruction.
	Yeah.
	But it's not like that.
	That's like, kind of like, you know, like a guy's like, Hey, I sat down this briefcase of money.
	It'd be a shame if my wife died.
	That person never said go kill my wife.
	Right.
	But in the example, it's clear the what's implying, but even then the more powerful your voice, the more impactful your lies will be.
	It's okay to respect that from a stance of discussing the true impact of the words.
	And just understanding that words that may have a veiled meaning, with a loud enough voice, that meaning can be unveiled.
	Time for us to jump to December 19th, Stephen's appearance on Piers Morgan, Uncensored.
	Well in the spirit of hosting very controversial people on my free speech platform, I'm now joined by Stephen Crowder, who can call me a free speech hypocrite to my face.
	Mr Crowder, good day to you, how are you?
	Well thank you, Pierce.
	Merry Christmas.
	And let me say off the bat, I do actually appreciate about you.
	Your audience may not know how rare this is that you do these interviews live, you don't chop them up, you actually have a discussion, and I've been advocating for that my whole life.
	So really, I appreciate it.
	Those are steps in the right direction.
	And that is something that I like about Pierce's show, other than the fact that that's only on the YouTube show.
	It's not on like the actual cable news station that he does.
	He chops them up there, so.
	I would love Steven to do the same thing and go on a bunch of other shows uncensored.
	That'd be wonderful.
	I want him and Sam Cedar to chat.
	I seem to remember something getting sprung on him one time and him not dealing with it very well.
	He didn't like that.
	No he didn't like it.
	That's one of my favorite things.
	Ethan Klein from H3 tricking him into a debate with Sam Cedar of course.
	So amazing.
	The man who's birthed Steven's reputation as cold feet Crowder Because he refused to debate Sam Cedar at multiple occasions Sam Cedar's got a great voice.
	Oh, he really does I wish he would do like he should do Bob's Burgers or something.
	You know, he is on Bob's Burgers.
	Yeah Did you I did you not know that No, I had no idea.
	He just has one of those voices that would be on that show.
	Yes, he is on that show.
	Okay, badass.
	Let's start with your assessment that I'm a free speech hypocrite.
	So articulate to me why you believe that.
	I believe the word I used there was fraud.
	You only used hypocrite.
	Did I really?
	Okay, I don't remember saying it but I'll take your word for it and to some degree I believe it.
	So do you want to know what Steven's episode was called?
	What?
	Free Speech Hypocrite Pierce Morgan Hates Alex Jones Platforms Terrorist.
	I didn't fucking say that shit.
	I typed it, okay?
	There's a big difference.
	It was Brogan.
	We know Brogan titles the episodes, but you didn't set him up for success here.
	Oh, that's hilarious.
	Very interesting.
	In hosting a show uncensored, and I can't see you, but I know you put up the very festive holly leaf on the globe there, it is incumbent upon you, you will say, I believe in the concept of free speech.
	Now, I'll be very clear in my definition of free speech.
	It's the constitutional definition of freedom of speech.
	All speech is permissible outside of a crime.
	And we have very clear parameters, and these have been affirmed by the Supreme Court, as to what that is.
	That's a proactive call for violence.
	The crime is not the speech.
	The crime is the action causing violence on purpose.
	Outside of that, everything is permissible.
	So I guess there we need to argue what's on purpose, right?
	If you have a history of saying hateful things, if you're literally playing the Star Wars Imperial March as your theme music, like Alex Jones is, I gotta say, it seems like the speech that he has, it tends to lean that way.
	So this reminds me of an argument when people say, I think about this a lot in a photography sense, because people talk about copyright infringement.
	Sure.
	And they're like, that's not a crime.
	That's a civil matter.
	Okay.
	And Stephen will get into that.
	And that's the thing is that people like just because it's a civil matter doesn't mean that it's it's permitted.
	No.
	It just means that the person who's affected by it is it's not the state, it's not the city, it's not the whatever.
	I hate it.
	Yeah.
	See, I don't think we're as far apart as you think.
	I mean, you talk about the First Amendment not protecting, for example, crime.
	It's a little bit more complicated.
	For example, it doesn't protect you if you deliberately defame somebody.
	And my argument about Alex Jones in particular was that he's just been punished with over a billion dollar fine in one of the biggest defamation cases in modern American history.
	1.5 billion.
	for deliberately telling lies about the families of the poor victims of the Sandy Hook Massacre over a sustained period of time which led to them getting direct harassment and other criminal activity.
	So I was joining all the dots there of his particular situation and I concurred with Elon Musk's original view when he was asked about it when he first bought Twitter last year which was he was not going to allow him back on.
	He's now changed his mind But my opinion was based on the Constitution of the United States not protecting you if you are guilty of defamation.
	Well, okay, so I'm gonna have to take the rounds out of that magazine from how loaded that question was and so much misinformation there.
	He didn't even ask a question, did he?
	He just explained himself.
	Explained what his preference was.
	Yeah, it wasn't like... Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, so what I mean, what did Elon say back in November 18th?
	Well, not really.
	He asked the question.
	What should Twitter do next?
	Hardcore Noli nice said bring back Alex Jones with four exclamation points.
	Okay, and then Steve, uh, sorry, pardon me Elon said no Just a hard no.
	He said, because as somebody who's lost a child.
	Well, hold tight, that's two days later actually.
	Sam Harris, which is interesting, I don't know why Sam Harris would say this, but said, is it time to let Alex Jones back on Twitter at Elon Musk?
	If not, why not?
	And Elon said, suffer little children and forbid them not to come unto me for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
	And then Kim Dotcom said, Alex fucked up with Sandy Hook.
	He admitted and he apologized.
	Do your New Zealand accent.
	New Zealand.
	I have to say New Zealand to get into it.
	I'm not going to do that.
	Alex fucked up with Sandy Hook.
	He admitted and then he apologized.
	He also got a lot of conspiracy.
	Nope.
	No, that's Dracula.
	Ah, you're right.
	If serial liars like Biden and Trump are allowed on Twitter, then Alex Jones should be allowed too.
	Please reconsider in the interest of real free speech.
	And then what you were talking about, Jared, he said, my firstborn child died in my arms.
	I felt his last heartbeat.
	I have no mercy for anyone who wants to use deaths of children for gain, politics, or fame.
	That's pretty clear that you don't want Alex back on.
	Hey, can I just say this?
	I saw a fucking Tesla truck in the wild yesterday.
	Oh yeah?
	One of our friends bought one.
	Is that right?
	Have you stood next to it?
	Not yet.
	It's not here yet, but I am gonna shoot an arrow at it.
	Nice.
	It's gonna be really fun.
	That's really cool and nice of them to let you do that.
	It's, um, an awful looking vehicle when you're standing next to it.
	I have to say it's very ugly.
	Like in the pictures, I was like, I get it in like a Hot Wheels sense.
	Funny for like futurism or something, but standing next to one, not that cool.
	Did you see that head-on collision it got in?
	No!
	I did, and it's terrifying.
	It has no crumple zones.
	None.
	Interesting.
	It's untouched.
	The driver will take all of the... The point of cars is to crinkle.
	Yes.
	Because they're supposed to crinkle against each other to lessen the impact.
	On the human.
	Yes.
	Cybertruck doesn't do that.
	Jesus Christ.
	No, it just is a train.
	Yeah.
	But also, that's the approach of Elon Musk here, I think, right?
	But Stephen's belittling of the thought process of Piers Morgan continues.
	Of course.
	Face to face.
	Nice.
	And that's the beauty of the freedom of speech.
	You can say that, you can speak misinformation, and you have the right to, for example, saying he knowingly lied.
	Look, I'm not in the business of defending everything that Alex Jones, everything that Alex Jones has said, okay?
	But if you're going to say the 22 minutes out of 8,000 hours of broadcast time for which he apologized, acknowledged that he was wrong, constitutes what you are saying is proactively lying.
	That is a very dangerous precedent to set, and it's not accurate.
	Hang on, hang on, Stephen, listen.
	It's not accurate.
	Stephen, he did deliberately lie for a sustained period of time, for years, about these families.
	He knew Sandy Hook.
	Tell me how he deliberately lied.
	He deliberately lied.
	And he was found to have deliberately lied.
	Tell me how he deliberately lied.
	And by the way, in his defense, he tried... Tell me how he deliberately lied, please.
	In his defense, he tried to play the First Amendment card, and it was rejected by the judge.
	Straight up Marie Povich behavior.
	Yeah, just repeat it.
	Ignore what you're saying.
	And the thing is that Pierce is like, listen, man, the court found that he deliberately lied.
	And that's all the legal system determined that he lied.
	I like that later on, Steven uses the, um, wow, I really hated that clip.
	And I just want to give the same energy to him.
	That shit was super fucking annoying to listen to.
	Just like, come on, man.
	Why do you want to obstruct the conversation by doing shit like that?
	But that's what I was saying earlier.
	It makes a perfect case for Steven to look at this and say, I'm not in the business of policing everything that Alex Jones says.
	I'm not here to defend everything he says, but that's exactly why he's here.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He is his host.
	He is his roommate.
	They're legally bound.
	There's paperwork with both of their names on it.
	I'd love to see that contract.
	I would love to see that too.
	I bet it's pretty interesting.
	But just to say, he's signed off on the stuff that he says, so if he can't stand behind everything that he says, then maybe he shouldn't platform him.
	I think what would be really interesting is if Alex Jones came out and was like, I fucking hate Steven.
	I cannot stand this guy at all.
	And if Steven would like... It will happen.
	Just so you know.
	I mean, when Rogan stopped putting Alex on the JRE, he called him a snake and all these different things.
	Well, no, the thing is that imagine if this kind of stuff happens before Steven, and Steven has this point where he approaches where he can put his money where his mouth is and keep Alex on his show.
	Oh.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why doesn't Steven have all these people who disagree with him on his show?
	Like, why doesn't he do that if he truly believes that, you know...
	His truths are infallible.
	Yeah.
	It implies that the only way to know something is true is to experience it firsthand or have, like,
	a complete encyclopedia's worth of knowledge on that issue.
	If Steven says to Alex, Pierce, how can you prove that he lied?
	And Pierce says, hey, uh, the court did that.
	That's the thing is that's the court's job is to determine if someone, like, cause you can't read someone's mind.
	Totally.
	Like if I said, oh, so-and-so was convicted of murder and someone said, yeah, but did you see him do it?
	It doesn't matter what I saw.
	You know, the decision has been made that he was found guilty of defamation.
	Well, there's a little bit of evidence of what Alex said about Sandy Hook.
	It is on the record.
	No.
	He said, my gut is with the timing and everything that happened, this is staged.
	You know what I've been saying the last few months, get ready for big mass shootings and then magically it
	happens.
	Happens every fucking day.
	Folks, we've got to get private investigators to Sandy Hook right now because I'm telling you this, this stinks to highest heaven.
	We're sorry for everybody's losses, whatever.
	We're investigating this though.
	Get over it and move on.
	Oh wait, that was Trump.
	Yeah, Trump.
	It's as phony as a $3 bill, you've got parents laughing, and then they walk over to the camera and go boo hoo hoo, and not just one, but a bunch of parents doing this, and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died?
	I mean, they think we're so dumb.
	That's a reference to Neil Heslin and his very heartbreaking, how can I be about to do a press conference about the death, violent murder of my child?
	Well, he was watching some stand-up right before, and then he turned around and was acting.
	Oh, of course, he starts watching Bill Burr on his fucking phone.
	Him saying that the kids were still alive.
	It's part of this large conspiracy about the background children's choir at the Super Bowl I think?
	People look so fucking similar.
	Well, they're kids.
	Yeah, and kids look even more similar.
	There's a thick list of all the times here that he He said that Sandy Hook didn't happen and that these parents were lying and the kids were still alive or never existed.
	He also did extensive backgrounds.
	Like, he knows that they're real people.
	Yeah.
	There's evidence of that.
	I mean, he had to face them all in court.
	He did.
	Yeah.
	Tell me how he deliberately lied, please.
	Because he knew that it wasn't a hoax.
	He knew the massacre had happened.
	Incorrect.
	That's incorrect.
	Let's play what he said.
	It's got Inside Job written all over it.
	Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake, with actors, in my view, manufactured.
	I couldn't believe it at first.
	People just instinctively know that there's a lot of fraud going on.
	But it took me about a year with Sandy Hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake.
	Whole thing was fake.
	Whole thing was fake.
	Just a couple more Alex Jones choice cuts.
	Yeah, but did he deliberately lie about it?
	It seems like he may have.
	Well, that's the thing is that what I love about this is Steven's response to this was that's incorrect.
	He's implying that Alex was just dumb.
	Because lie, you have to know the truth to lie, right?
	I don't know if you remember the psychosis explanation that Alex gave during his deposition.
	No, oh no.
	He said, and I myself, it's so good, have almost had like a form of psychosis back in the past where I basically thought everything was staged.
	Even though I've now learned a lot of times things aren't staged.
	So I think as a pundit, someone giving an opinion that, you know, my opinions have been wrong, but they were never wrong consciously to hurt people.
	The trauma of the media and the corporations lying so much.
	That was the reason that caused him to distrust everything.
	Kind of like a child whose parents lied to them over and over again.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So his parents lied to him?
	Cause that's like not a common thing, right?
	No, this is just bullshit.
	Obviously he's lying.
	He's lying again.
	Uh, I believe he's lying.
	I believe he's lying as well.
	This is kind of like being like, I'm like trying to claim insanity when you know you weren't like trying to argue insanity, but like someone like, well, anyone who murders somebody is insane.
	I love that one.
	You know, it's like one of those, like, it's like a stupid fucking take.
	And there's, there's, there's a motive here for Alex to get people riled up.
	Cause then he can sell his like, what's it called?
	Okay.
	Ultra cum maker.
	Jesus, guys, come on.
	You still have an answer.
	That doesn't prove that he knowingly lied anything.
	Look, Alex Jones is wrong about a lie.
	Alex Jones is wrong about a lie.
	Okay, but he's also 100% believed it, and then he said he was wrong.
	You and I disagree about many things.
	We agree about many too, right?
	But on this point, you're a very smart guy.
	I wouldn't question it for a moment.
	You and I both know Alex Jones knew that that was not faked Sandy Hook.
	You and I both know that.
	Sir, I have to spit the words out that you just tried to place in my mouth.
	I saw that bit of acting he did and I was like, this is so dorky.
	What did he say in response to that?
	He didn't talk about that, did he?
	even assuming that you don't discuss the caps that he would never pay out the far
	lower settlement that they have decided they would allow considering this will
	go to a superior court and will get thrown out even if you allow all of
	those things, here's the beauty of the First Amendment, here's the beauty of the
	First Amendment, even if you at one point commit defamation you still don't forfeit
	your right to speak.
	You don't lose a fundamental human right.
	I agree.
	And that's not why he was banned from Twitter.
	You know that.
	He was banned from Twitter for having a pop at some guy from CNN.
	I don't care about that.
	I'm more interested in why Elon Musk tweeted when he bought Twitter and was asked, will he bring back Alex Jones?
	He said, no, I won't allow somebody back on having gone through the pain himself of a child dying in his own arms, one of his children.
	He wasn't going to allow someone who profited from the pain of dead children to be back on the platform.
	I mean, it's a valid question to ask.
	Beyond the personal feelings of Elon Musk, you gotta wonder why he would choose now to be the reason that he would let Alex back.
	Well, and the reason why is because everyone's acting like Elon Musk is his free speech, like, you know, hero.
	And he's like, well, I guess the ultimate thing I could do...
	He's seeing that Twitter's like lost like 73% or whatever and he's like trying to like just hang on to what he has left.
	Could you imagine being Elon Musk just waking up and doom scrolling looking at like I don't know complex magazines Instagram and it's like Elon Musk has lost 70% of his 41 billion dollar purchase of Twitter.
	And that's how he finds out about it?
	He's like, oh my God.
	Oh my God.
	Do we bring him back?
	He's already lost a huge majority.
	I think I can say that, right?
	Of users of Twitter.
	And the Twitter has its own audience at this point.
	They will excitedly more frequently use Twitter now.
	Yeah.
	Because this is their win.
	It's just the echo chambers getting thicker walls.
	And he knows what echo chamber he's in at this point.
	But isn't this sort of just like the conservative cycle?
	Someone on the left does something and then after like a few years they just sort of adopt that thing as if they had thought of it themselves.
	It's like why you see like conservative memes are all like deep fried and shit because they all just like screenshot the screenshot into an oblivion.
	But then, but then you have like something like, like Rumble is the, or Truth, I guess, is sort of like, you know, the Twitter-like of this for them.
	But now they can just have Twitter back.
	It's like, well, that's a victory.
	And it's like, well, no one's here to participate.
	It's not really Twitter.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like, yeah, like if this is taking over a ghost town and trying to rebuild on top of it, you know.
	We said it best a couple weeks ago when I think Dennis said it's like when they let the kids run the bases after the softball game.
	Totally, totally.
	Also, I'm really proud of Pierce for saying it won't get thrown out when Steven was doing the old Tucker Carlson trick where you say things as facts and expect people to not push back.
	Totally.
	It will get thrown out.
	He listed four things that were not definite.
	There's no reason to believe that.
	If you were to ask Stephen, which court does it go to next?
	On what grounds do you think they'll throw it out?
	What legal grounds do you think they'll throw it out?
	He wouldn't be able to answer that question.
	No, of course not.
	Unless he's doing a Change My Mind on it, and then he'll have a binder that his weird interns write.
	What's his name?
	Brogan?
	Oh yes, Brogan would probably do it.
	But of course Pierce points out a pretty obvious thing.
	I think we've shouted multiple times when anyone on the right yells free speech, free speech in Minnesota in relation to Twitter.
	X is a private company owned by Elon Musk.
	He can do what he likes with it.
	But they also have a series of rules which are available on their website,
	which you can check about what is allowed and not allowed.
	And they will de-platform you if you transgress those rules.
	And my point to you is that the situation with Alex Jones is that he was found guilty
	in an American court of defamation.
	And yes, it's entirely down to Elon Musk that he can bring him back.
	But I agree with the first version of Elon Musk's decision making, not the second one based on a completely undemocratic poll he put on his own Twitter feed.
	Which, this whole thing is interesting because there's no debate here.
	It's all just Pierce's personal preference.
	Exactly.
	So why are we talking about this?
	Well, the reason it's happening, of course, is that there's not going to be like a winner here.
	It's just that Stephen's calling him a hypocrite and he's saying, no, I'm not.
	You know, that's all.
	It's just a lot of words.
	Yeah.
	Well, I agree with you that it shouldn't be left to a Democratic poll because the First Amendment is not subject to a vote.
	Didn't they say that more things should be polls?
	Like, didn't they talk about him coming back on?
	And, like, they said that they made jokes about doing more polls or something?
	The Crowder gang, they all talked about how they did, like, a campaign.
	They rigged it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, they rigged the poll they were talking about.
	They rigged all of their grandmas to vote for him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right, but you accept the First Amendment of the U.S.
	Constitution has a number of things which are excluded from protection, whether it's child pornography, fraud, defamation.
	There's a whole list of things which you'll simply... But that has nothing to do with speech, Alex.
	No, no, but you're conflating... Sorry, Piers.
	But I think you've mischaracterized what I said then, because I've never said he hasn't got a right to say what he wants.
	He can say what he likes.
	I believe fundamentally in anyone's right to say whatever they want.
	The question is accountability.
	And the U.S.
	Constitution, which you don't think I know anything about, but actually I know a lot about, I didn't say you don't know anything about it.
	I really don't believe that.
	I know that you have studied it.
	In another clip from that same show you did, you basically said, I don't know much about the US Constitution because I'm not American.
	And that's fine.
	But I have lived and worked in America for 20 years.
	I have tried to really get a handle on the US Constitution.
	And on the issue of the First Amendment, it is a complicated thing.
	It's not as simple as saying you can say whatever you want.
	It's not complicated.
	Well, it is because it doesn't allow the unfettered free speech So condescending.
	It's crazy.
	Are you suggesting it does?
	It absolutely does.
	It doesn't?
	It absolutely does, barring, would you like me to explain?
	Barring what I've already outlined.
	So condescending.
	Yeah, let me mansplain it again to you.
	No law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or
	abridging the freedom of speech or of the press.
	I mean I know that there's a lot of Supreme Court decisions that affect the interpretation
	of this or have solidified it.
	Totally.
	There's going to be absolutely tons of conversations around it, but at the end of the day, it's not a free speech issue because it's not a government enforcement action happening.
	It's just not.
	But for the same reason that Steven doesn't have Sam Seder on his show, Pierce is allowed to say that Elon shouldn't have Alex on his platform.
	And that's his opinion.
	Yeah.
	It's not like Alex is being arrested for protesting in front of the White House.
	Or storming the Capitol.
	Or storming the Capitol on June 6th.
	But it's not like he's, that's not what's happening.
	It's just a matter of a private organization that says, hey, this guy is a liability for us to have in our system.
	Regardless of the actions that people might take as a result of what Alex Jones says, if you have a roommate who has a Nazi flag on his wall and you let him keep living with you, people are going to think you're a Nazi.
	Yeah, it's just an association.
	It's hard to manage people's expectations of you when what they can see is what they can see.
	This is something I thought was kind of interesting.
	This conversation with peers took place like a week after Jones proposed that Sandy Hook families be allowed to accept a settlement from him.
	5.5 million dollars a year for 10 years.
	The possibility of more depending on Jones' income, right?
	Yeah.
	What did our boy Trump say?
	People who settle are guilty?
	He has said that.
	Has he?
	Yes, he has.
	I want to agree with that for the most part, especially in a case like this where, again, what we can see is what we can see.
	Obviously Steven's trying to argue the merit of Sections 230 on this but everyone again can see what they can see so that it's just Why are we going to keep dealing with this person who is also at the time of this record?
	I'm sorry between Piers and Steven has already basically admitted that he's in the wrong He's about to pay these people 25 or what 30 million dollars over 10 years each family He's prepared to do that because the alternative I mean, I don't know.
	There's just so much surrounding it that it's like, I don't understand how you can keep treading this defense.
	It's Foucaulta.
	It has no bearing in the reality of which we are all aware of and looking at.
	Directly in the face.
	I think that Stephen's backing away from trying to defend that at all.
	I think he's just saying... He will go on to say that he disagrees with Alex like 30% of the time.
	I think he said on other shows, but he will die for his right to say those things he disagrees with.
	The narrator says, he will not.
	In your defense, for example, you made your joke about being a two-spirited penguin, right?
	I thought it was cute, I think it was funny, and I understand the point that you were trying to make, okay?
	You have had people accuse you of creating violence against trans...
	You know that, and we know it's absurd.
	So who defines what is actually calling for violence, or if you, basically in a roundabout way,
	maybe causing violence?
	No, unless you called for violence.
	You didn't, you said you were a two-spirited angler.
	You keep saying that your only barrier on free speech is crime.
	And I keep reminding you that Alex Jones was found guilty of defamation, and that is one of the things
	that's not protected by the First Amendment.
	No, it's not protected in a...
	you can have civil damages and your First Amendment rights don't cease to exist.
	Stephen's been in court again.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I also love this because let me ask, I want to ask this to Stephen here.
	Stephen, quick question.
	Yeah?
	Should felons be able to vote?
	Uh, what?
	That's a terrible Stephen.
	It's the exact same logic he's applying.
	Exactly.
	But even then, Alex Jones' First Amendment rights are not being infringed regardless of Twitter, right?
	Hey, Byron, if you kick me out of your house, have you stepped on my First Amendment rights?
	If you said, hey, you can't be here because you're running your mouth too much?
	No, I don't think so.
	Are you sure?
	Because Steven says you are.
	Wow, interesting.
	Steven also says that it's absurd that Pierce saying that he is a two-spirited purple penguin I don't know about purple.
	Oh, interesting.
	I added that on there.
	That isn't damaging, and I think it is damaging.
	I think to a different degree than denying... I don't know the context of that.
	It's not the same.
	He was saying it's not good.
	It was in reference to there being over a hundred different genders.
	It may not be, you know, as traumatic, but it is still traumatic.
	Totally.
	Yeah, it's invalidating.
	Well, I just, I wonder why Steven's picking this fight with Piers when he should be picking it with all of these major news outlets who've kicked people off their shows for controversial opinions.
	It's the only guy who would let him on.
	Of course, that's exactly why.
	He baited him.
	And I mean to say it's invalidating, but completely, like it blindly misses the actual argument.
	So it's like, I can't really even take Piers seriously.
	When he says something, it's the same thing as somebody saying,
	oh, you believe in evolution?
	Well, how come that car didn't turn into a panther?
	Well, if we're in the Transformers universe, it could.
	Sure, sure.
	The approach is misinformed.
	Like, yeah.
	And I pray for him to figure it out.
	I mean, obviously, we're discussing not just this in particular.
	But I think that I see this a lot on the right and the left.
	They operate in this like Boolean space where everything's true or false, black or white, left and right.
	There's not only definable genders, like they say, but there's like these definable, everything's definable by opposite of whatever.
	Let's see a real example.
	If you tell somebody like, hey, I support gun rights, they're going to think that you also are anti-abortion.
	Sure.
	And that Venn diagram is a little bit different.
	Totally.
	But it's just that on the right, they have this like Boolean way of thinking.
	They have this for everything.
	Yeah.
	And so if you try and explain to them that it's a little bit more fluid than that, that everything is fluid, not just gender, but everything in life is more fluid than that.
	Yes.
	It's hard to have that conversation.
	It's hard to have empathy.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what's happening here with Steven is that he's stuck in this Boolean mode where you're either a criminal or you're not, and there's no like kind of criminal experience.
	If someone's kicked off Twitter, then section 230 needs to go away?
	Yeah, and it's just, it's that simple.
	The right, again, we've talked about this before, the right has no nuance and the left has too much sometimes.
	If someone accuses you of defamation, and let's say has a suit levied against you that actually, by God, is successful, let's say that, does that forbid you from speaking publicly thereafter?
	No, of course not.
	No, you don't lose it, it's a fundamental human right.
	Not at all, but it does allow, I'm exercising my rights to free speech to say I think he shouldn't be allowed back on X, which was the position of the owner of X until last week.
	So my point is that Elon Musk has made two judgement calls about this, one I agreed with and one I didn't, and I'm exercising my free speech rights to say I don't agree with it.
	You are, you are, and I completely support your right to do that.
	The problem is Elon Musk changed his mind in the face of new information.
	New information as in his new fan base.
	I fucking hate when Steven does this like, new information, when he thinks he's hammering
	home a point really hard and he does that fucking time.
	What's the new information?
	I think that he's implying it's the Oliver Darcy being the third strike.
	Yeah, the Oliver Darcy shit.
	No, the new information was the fact that his balance sheet came out.
	Yeah, and he's like, I have to sell ads.
	There's only so much Black Rifle coffee I can sell.
	This shit's not even that good.
	Honestly, food buckets and colloidal silver, topical.
	Topical.
	Stephen, of course, it's a comedy show and he's a comedian.
	Yeah.
	So.
	In the realm of comedy, look, good jokes and bad jokes come from the same place.
	Sometimes you have to risk something and it's not funny.
	I agree with you about all that.
	Sometimes you have to express an opinion.
	Yeah, but I agree with you about all that.
	I agree with that.
	That's really the bedrock of this show.
	But I come back again to why I had a particular issue with the Alex Jones thing.
	It's unlike the other circumstances you're describing.
	In his case, he was found guilty of a serious defamation against the Sandy Hook families.
	He was fined over a billion dollars.
	So far, he's not paid a dime of that money.
	And, you know, Elon Musk has made two calls on it.
	Like I said, the first one, I agreed with.
	I don't think that people like Alex Jones should be allowed an unchallenged, unfettered public platform to spew lies which are done deliberately.
	Unchallenged?
	Unchallenged?
	Are you out of your tree, sir?
	Have you been on X?
	It's a cesspool.
	Anyone can say anything.
	People can reply to him, but no one can have a direct challenge to Alex Jones.
	Interesting he calls it a cesspool.
	I thought you were going to say interesting that he said that his good jokes and his bad jokes come from the same place.
	And that's of course the bad jokes factory.
	I like how bad that joke was, Jared.
	You got it the same factor, it sounded like.
	The problem here is that Piers is trying to discuss this from a First Amendment right scenario, and it's just not that.
	That's why I think the whole premise of this debate is invalid, and I don't know why they did it.
	But it does lead us into some interesting information on how he answers some of this stuff.
	Like in this whole last segment, we really see that Steven is, he's a fan of the two-tier justice system.
	That's kind of the biggest thing that I took away from this is that it's not illegal if you can pay for it, right?
	Like and that seems to be the the biggest thing that he is Platforming here the thing that he wants to drive home the most if Alex Jones can pay for it and he is Pierce You're provoking this fanatic base to essentially, you know Do your own research and this is how they do their own research is showing up at people's houses harassing them and stuff like that You know, it's fine if he could pay for it Earlier he also implies that because he said he's sorry that it's all like forgiven.
	He saw we... That's such a stupid fucking take.
	I know a lot of serial killers that are very sorry.
	Yeah.
	They showed remorse?
	Cool.
	No sentence.
	Back to the ex.
	You picked out for example that he came on my show, Jeremy Corbyn, Taliban spokesman and so on.
	Yes, because in each of those cases I put them through the mincer, right?
	And I'm prepared to have them on to give them a hard time and challenge them.
	Agreed, let's agree with that.
	But they're all pretty volatile entities.
	But I was able to challenge what I perceived to be their untruth.
	I don't know if you saw that.
	Jeremy Corbyn, British politician on the left, leader of the Labour Party.
	Is that the smashing pumpkins guy?
	I guess he stepped... no.
	What?
	That's Billy Corgan.
	Corgan, not Jeremy Corbin.
	Hey, are you guys gonna go try to audition?
	Hell yeah, dude, I'm gonna do it.
	Join up with the Smashing Pumpkins?
	Yeah, open auditions to be the guitar player of Smashing Pumpkins.
	It's not just everyone.
	If you're at home listening, now's your chance to join Legendary.
	I bumped into Billy Corgan once in Austin at South by Southwest.
	He was very kind.
	Very tall.
	Is he?
	Yeah, he's a tall guy.
	A lot of celebs are taller than I thought.
	Yeah, I mean this whole conversation with Jeremy Corbin, he's, why won't you call Hamas terrorists, was what Pierce was asking or trying to get an answer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you agree, and should they stay in power?
	Listen, I do not approve, support, or welcome Hamas discussion with you.
	Are you prepared to call Hamas a terror group?
	Is it possible to have a rational discussion with you?
	You can't, can you?
	Is it possible?
	Come on, answer that question.
	You can't, can you?
	You answer it.
	No.
	It's my show.
	You answer my question.
	Now, the point of playing that clip, other than to entertain you, as I'm sure it did, is that, yes... I hate that clip.
	I hate everything about that clip.
	Why do you hate it?
	I hate it because I don't like Jeremy Corbyn, but I think he's a bombastic prick.
	But I also think that you should have let him finish speaking.
	Why?
	Because then he would express bad ideas.
	That's why I support Fredo Espinoza.
	But actually, in the end, I could tell very quickly he was never going to give an answer.
	And therefore, we were in a game of cat and mouse, which went on so long that the viewer was left in no uncertain terms what his answer actually was.
	Because otherwise, you just say Hamas or a terror group.
	It's not difficult.
	And in fact, two days later, he admitted Hamas or a terror group.
	That was his position.
	But only after I shamed him into doing it.
	Bad ideas often don't come with the full truth.
	No, I think they do.
	No, sometimes things are said in a way that makes it sound appealing.
	It's just dancing around questions, and I think that's what a lot of people do when they're back to those corners.
	Stephen obviously has done it on this interview multiple times.
	But Stephen's saying that if he had the opportunity, he would reveal all his bad ideas, all of them.
	Yeah.
	And that's not how it works.
	No.
	Like he said in the clip before, you know, Alex Jones can say whatever he wants, but on Twitter people can't respond to debunk the things he's saying.
	They don't have an equivalent voice.
	Yeah, and so when Steven was laughing about, oh, unchallenged, unchallenged?
	People can challenge, but it's like, uh, it's just a whisper and a sea of shouts, you know?
	And so Alex Jones is very, very loud because he has this huge bass.
	And he's physically loud.
	He's physically loud.
	He's also very strong, thanks to alpha male or whatever he takes.
	Sure.
	It's not challenged by anyone that has the opportunity to truly challenge.
	Well, and that's why Pierce was, you know, saying what he did to Jeremy, and whether or not you agree with what he's saying or how he feels about it, Pierce knew, because he's an experienced journalist, if he would have let Jeremy continue talking, he wasn't going to get an answer.
	Exactly.
	He was going to give him a platform to spout some hate.
	So that's it.
	So you want to shame people into agreeing with you.
	I would rather just let them speak if they have bad ideas.
	Not at all.
	I want to shame them into giving an honest opinion.
	What I will really lose my rag about, and I'm sure you must be the same, when people just obfuscate and don't give a straight answer to a straight simple question, then I will go after them.
	If they give an honest answer, even if I don't agree with it, I respect that, And in fact, I think people who watch my show regularly will see that is my position, whether I agree with them or not.
	I have lots of people on I don't really agree with, but I find the ones that I have respect for are the ones who give a straight answer to a straight question.
	I mean, see every change my mind segment that Stephen has ever had.
	Yeah.
	Byron, they do the scientific method on all of those.
	Stephen's been very clear about that.
	And that's why he only talks to, you know, unprepared college students.
	I want Steven to hop on an interview with Sam Seder so bad now.
	Oh, it would be wonderful.
	Come on, Big Ugly.
	Let's do it.
	Yeah, the Big Ugly versus The Majority Report.
	Yeah.
	Apparently a guy from Bob's Burgers.
	I love it you didn't know.
	Yeah, Arthur versus Bob's Burgers.
	He just has one of those voices.
	It's like Betsy Sardaro.
	Like the first time I heard her, I was like, ah, she's definitely a Bob's Burger voice.
	Yep, turns out.
	Yeah, there you go.
	But then he brings up, you know, Double D. A name that strikes fear in the hearts of all races.
	Yep.
	Anteaters?
	Because he's the what?
	Isn't Double D's Arthur's sister?
	Doing a DW.
	I'm thinking about titties too, bro.
	Sorry.
	I'm talking David Duke.
	Let me ask you a straight question.
	Sure.
	David Duke, the former KKK leader, he's banned from Twitter.
	Elon Musk hasn't brought him back.
	Should he be allowed to be back on X?
	Throw that at me.
	Really?
	You just say, I want to ask someone a straight question.
	You have me here.
	I'm basically a specter.
	I don't appear on any- You want to ask me about David Duke?
	Should David Duke be allowed back on X?
	I'm not as familiar with David Duke as I am with Alex, which is why I was able to point out that you cannot prove that he knowingly lied about anything.
	If David Duke has called for the violence, look, if David Duke has called for the violence, actions of violence against minority groups, then no.
	If David Duke has espoused horrible points of view that can be refuted, by the way, not only by other people who are on X, but by the community notes on X, and on a platform where people are free to speak on both sides of the aisle, then yes.
	It doesn't mean that I think he's anything other than a racist prick.
	It's just a simple logic test, that's all it is.
	So here's the thing that Stephen did there, is that he acted like he needed to be a specialist to apply his logic, and he didn't.
	The entire thing that Stephen's saying is that regardless of what has been said or whatever, if you fuck up and you say something shitty, that you don't lose your right to speak.
	That is his logic.
	His logic doesn't require an input there.
	At the end of the day, if you say, it does not matter, right?
	It does not matter what somebody did, they deserve to be on Twitter.
	You're tricking me.
	says, hey, should so-and-so be back on Twitter? You cannot say I don't know about them because
	you said it doesn't matter. It's just a logic loophole. He said, hey, listen, what you're
	saying is this, right? And he said, yeah. And they said, okay, cool. Here's another application
	of that idea. And he said, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're tricking me. You're
	tricking me into agreeing with myself. And also, I do think that there are some things that David
	Duke could say aside from invoking violence towards black people that could have the same result.
	Of course.
	Just like how Alex Jones talking about the families of Sandy Hook victims.
	Yeah, of course.
	It's not just about explicit calls for violence.
	It's more nuanced than that.
	And again, it doesn't matter to Stephen, right?
	Well, it kind of matters to Steven.
	I think it is far more dangerous for society to engage in a culture of censorship, of viewpoint discrimination, than it is to allow people to speak freely, barring the committing of violent crimes.
	I think that we see a far worse dystopia in our future if we allow the government and these big tech platforms to determine who can speak and who cannot.
	And we've seen some very clear examples of this.
	If you give me 30 seconds, let me lay this out.
	I've got one real quick before he lays it out.
	Jan 6th, remember when Donald Trump said that stuff and then a bunch of violent things happened?
	Yeah.
	I guarantee that Stephen would disagree with that take though.
	Yeah.
	They benefit from Section 230.
	Now I know you have a lot of fans in the UK, they may not be familiar with this.
	Let me explain what it means.
	They're basically treated like public utilities.
	Meaning that they have immunity from liability for someone saying something on their platform.
	For example, AT&T here in the States can't ban you from their phone service because your racist Aunt Tilly drops an n-bomb after a few drinks at Thanksgiving.
	They're a public utility.
	These big tech platforms are treated as platforms where they are not legally liable for what is permitted.
	But that allows them to engage in viewpoint discrimination, and then there is no accountability.
	For example, the Hunter Biden laptop story.
	Which we know, and this is why I make all references publicly available because I want to be held to account and I will be held to account, would have changed the election.
	The public utilities thing, I did dig a little bit more into section 230.
	Applying it to the internet, it was due to the easy access to pornography that the internet brought about.
	What?
	Because... It's easy again?
	It is, you can just go to AOL.com.
	Keyword today!
	How many A's and Y's?
	It was easy for minors to access pornography and if you were able to sue all internet providers for that access, that would be unsustainable.
	And it works the same kind of with Twitter.
	It's not the same as a phone.
	Phones are one-way communication.
	You're not going to sue a phone company for domestic terrorists using it to talk to each other.
	That's not how it works.
	Twitter, unfortunately, is also like some hybrid between publishing and communication.
	And it needs to be maybe redefined, but I don't, I don't know where that would go.
	Well, I think, you know, not knowing the legal stance on Section 230, and I'm sure Stephen doesn't really either, but he has things he does.
	So he said that it grants them immunity, right?
	Sure.
	But here's the thing, if all of a sudden murder was legal tomorrow, that doesn't mean I have to murder.
	That's a good point.
	But immunity doesn't absolve you from your own decision-making about your platform.
	Because Twitter still makes money, and that's where they're making the decision.
	All that it's doing is protecting them if they decide to go a certain route.
	Well, it also protects them from if someone posted a terrorist act on Twitter or live-streaming something on YouTube.
	It doesn't mean that they have to leave it up.
	If you have immunity, it doesn't mean that you have to exercise that.
	And this is just another example of that Boolean line of thinking.
	It's the kind of people who say that, how do atheists not just kill everybody?
	Like there's no morality unless it's coming from a higher power.
	Yeah.
	And again, you are protected from those things, but your decisions about whether or not you allow those things to exist in your platform still remain with you.
	Yeah.
	But what happens if the government is colloiding?
	Mm-hmm.
	If the government was not, and when I say colluding, I mean Joe Biden, Jen Psaki, Kamala Harris, Karen Jean-Pierre calling for the removal of Joe Rogan from Spotify, calling for the removal of vaccine scientists, by the way, of mRNA vaccine scientists from public platforms.
	If All information was allowed to be transmitted freely, like the platforms, as they are treated, under our legal precedent here.
	And Section 230, guess what?
	Donald Trump would be president.
	I'm saying this as a matter of record and fact.
	Millions of people would not have gotten the mRNA vaccine, specifically men under 30, and lockdowns would have lasted days, weeks, not years.
	Gishgallop of the week, folks.
	I dug into a lot of this stuff, and I'm sure it'll come up down the line, but to be brief, we were in unprecedented times.
	It was February 2022.
	The press secretary was responding to the COVID misinformation that could potentially be shared over Spotify, and that they were happy that there was notes, but they would like to see other steps to actively prohibit content that contained misinformation.
	I don't know how I feel about that, but also at the time of COVID-19, when Joe Rogan, who has the largest audience in America, is saying stuff that could potentially cause a large-scale public health crisis, I don't know how I feel about that.
	It's a really complicated scenario.
	It's super, super complicated.
	And with something like this, if you say it's a public health crisis, the problem is that the people who would disagree with his action disagree with the fact that it would be a health crisis.
	Makes me think of like what the FBI coming for Jello Biafra of the Dead Kennedys back when he was running for mayor of San Francisco.
	I don't know anything about that.
	So the FBI basically came and they said, Hey, Dead Kennedys are exploiting the system that we don't want people to go down that path.
	We don't want the rambunctiousness that your punk rock band is providing.
	And so they told him to knock it off.
	But that sort of, I don't know, just reminds me of that.
	Maybe punk rockers shouldn't be mayors, if I'm being honest.
	Yeah, but remember how fucking sick Beto was with his old band, and they tried to, like, shit on him?
	Yeah, but he's also a politician.
	I know, I know.
	Think about somebody like a, you know, like a real punk rocker.
	Jerry Springer.
	Sure.
	A punk rocker in their essence, Jesse Ventura, former governor of Minnesota.
	True, good point.
	Pro-union, very strong union rep.
	Very strong physically.
	That too.
	And you know, he's got, he knows what they're doing with the lasers up in Alaska.
	But speaking of the orange buffoon.
	I've said to Donald Trump, to his face, never mind the stolen election bullshit you keep trying to pretend happened.
	I said focus on that because that probably swung the election because it stopped the media investigating properly what was going on with Hunter Biden in Ukraine and what his father's involvement would be.
	I think that could have swung the election.
	So I absolutely agree with you.
	God, I had a whole thing about this but we're running late.
	Poll that they're talking about, you've probably heard this, 70% of people would have changed their vote if they knew the Hunter Biden laptop was real or something like that and that would have been enough to swing the election in Donald Trump's favor.
	Okay.
	I think it was an Insights poll, and it ended up being like 500 people out of 1,300 people who were questioned, 70% of those people thought this.
	Okay.
	It's a tiny sample size with a huge margin of error.
	I generally don't like polls at all.
	Also, it was people who were paying attention to the news story, the news cycle around this.
	So, it's not factual.
	Well, it's just polls, and polls are always so weird and so wrong.
	It's one poll.
	Have you guys ever been a part of a poll like this?
	Yeah, I don't know if I've ever had anyone call, but... God, I'd love to get into that more someday.
	There's too much to unpack.
	The laptop cover-up could not have swung the election.
	I don't believe it would have, no.
	Steven is a comedian.
	Now, I'm a comedian, right?
	This show, that's why I appreciate you said, hey, you got a chuckle from our segment.
	Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, and I appreciate that you recognize that and not try and use, you know, you acknowledge that it's a joke, whether it's funny or not.
	So as a comedian, the host of a comedy show, Rudy Giuliani was on this show, and the first time the public ever saw Hunter Biden's laptop was on this show.
	He brought it up.
	He goes, I have the laptop here.
	The FBI came, they searched my offices.
	They took everything but the laptop.
	I go, wait, wait, wait.
	Is that the Hunter Biden laptop?
	He said, yes.
	Episode is banned.
	Suspended from YouTube.
	Or taken down by Steven.
	Could be.
	I do want to give Steven some credit.
	That's a good Giuliani.
	It was not bad.
	Yeah, that's a good Giuliani.
	And also, we're supposed to believe that Rudy Giuliani actually, that was the laptop?
	I don't know.
	Oh yeah, it's right here in my pocket.
	There's no evidence.
	Where did it go from there?
	Well, what do you mean?
	Like, where is the laptop now?
	Do we know?
	Can't remember if it's still in his possession.
	That's what I'm so curious about.
	I have a digital copy of it, but who knows if it's manipulated.
	There's science of manipulation, I believe, in the online version, but he's implying that it's suppressed because Rudy Giuliani held up a laptop to prove that it exists.
	We all know it exists.
	Like, I guess maybe at the time it was more speculative, but... I've got no idea.
	Let me ask you though, yesterday on your show, you appeared wearing a t-shirt saying Alex Jones was right, changed my mind.
	So my question is, what was he right about?
	Oh gosh, how much time do you have?
	Well, are you talking about Sandy Hook?
	He has no idea.
	No, I'm not talking about Sandy Hook.
	He said he was wrong about Sandy Hook.
	Right.
	He apologized for Sandy Hook.
	When he was sued, he said he was wrong.
	Eventually, but I'm saying obviously the shirt wouldn't be addressing that.
	If he says I was wrong, it would be awfully daft for me to wear a shirt saying he was right about something.
	What are you alluding to then?
	Keep thinking, Stephen. I'm alluding to, for crying out loud, if you talk about intelligence
	agencies spying on Americans, if you talk about what we've done with South American countries
	allowing the spread of STDs for which Hillary Clinton apologized for, if you talk about
	nation building where there have been underhanded deals with nations who don't have our best
	interests at heart, I mean, it's, you know, take your pick.
	I don't believe that, for example, George W. Bush was next to the Twin Towers with an Acme
	plunger.
	No, I'm not that kind of a conspiracy theorist.
	But when Alex Jones said, look, you are going to be corralled into social media ghettos and lose your right to speak, he was right.
	He's right about a lot.
	And I will say this.
	He's been wrong about plenty.
	I am not here to defend everything that Alex Jones has ever said.
	I'm willing to defend everything that I have said on my program.
	Dennis, during a daily basis, how right do you think you are when you're talking?
	Two percent of the time.
	Well, that's not the answer I was looking for.
	I was looking for oftentimes right.
	98% of the time.
	I would say out of most people, Alex Jones is less right.
	I would agree with that.
	For the most part, people aren't actively lying on a daily basis for hours on the radio.
	Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
	I generally try and only open my mouth if I know what I'm talking about.
	I'm not going to run down the list of things.
	Or at least start with I don't know what I'm talking about.
	Sure, if you don't know.
	Because I don't.
	Like section 230, I don't fucking know.
	It's like if Stephen Warshirt that said Hitler was right because he was Times Man of the Year.
	And he also has good taste in food or something.
	Sure, exactly.
	Hitler was right, parentheses, about schnitzel.
	I do understand what he's saying.
	I understand what the shirt means, but also listing, I don't, I can't remember the things he listed.
	He may have been right about those things, but on a daily basis he also talks about I don't know.
	Water turning the frogs gay?
	Space demons and... Well, that was also true, actually.
	Oh.
	Whatever the chemical and what did turn some frogs gay.
	Okay, cool.
	But... Alex was right.
	I gotta go.
	I gotta go to Mug Club.
	And we gotta go to the last clip of tonight.
	Okay.
	And it's just, you know, Steven giving Pierce a heads up.
	Pierce, if you think they're not gonna come for you, oh my word, do you have another thing coming?
	And I hope that you don't.
	I genuinely hope that you don't.
	I mean, I've had people say that I was a hate speaker because I said soccer was gay.
	I do!
	I think so!
	You think soccer's gay?
	Homosexual, yes.
	You know what?
	That's a whole other debate, Stephen Crowder.
	Let's have a debate about whether the fucker is gay.
	And if it is, by the way, I would be happy to embrace its homosexual side.
	Well, I know you would.
	I know you would.
	But with that accent, you have to be careful.
	People take you seriously.
	I think it's great.
	I think it's great if you're a six year old girl or a homosexual from Greece.
	To quote Nick DiPaolo.
	To quote Nick DiPaolo.
	The guy, the guy writes all my opinions for me.
	Thank you very much.
	I have a quick theory.
	Oh yeah?
	Steven's ex is dating a soccer player.
	Oh damn, I didn't even consider that.
	That's my theory.
	Wow.
	School teacher, soccer player.
	We have the FC here now.
	The soccer coach for his elementary school.
	Oh, that's even better.
	God damn.
	He waxes his eyebrows or something.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So Metro.
	I would ask the question, what did we learn?
	But we didn't learn anything.
	No.
	We learned that Steven Crowder is a free speech hypocrite.
	And he's kind of good at getting media attention.
	He played Pierce like a fiddle to get this appearance.
	Yeah.
	You didn't have to do anything.
	If we say that Piers Morgan guy sounds like he's farting on air all the time.
	Keep saying it.
	He's greasing his shorts all the time.
	Every time he's talking he sounds like a dang baby bird.
	Tweet tweet tweet tweet tweet!
	And he's, you know, he rolls over and lets people pet his belly all the time.
	So I bet we could also pet his belly and feed him worms.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, I guess see you next week, Pierce, on your live uncensored program.
	I hope we get a longer than Stephen.
	Stephen went 21 minutes and then, of course, Pierce is like, all right, you can leave.
	Get the fuck off.
	Do you think soccer is gay?
	This is how we're gonna end this thing?
	What a waste of time.
	Truly.
	Imagine that you get paid to have useless conversations with absolutely useless people.
	That's kind of cool for peers, but it's also, I mean, it's cool for us too.
	It was really nice hanging out with you guys this afternoon.
	Yeah.
	What a wonderful, delightful time.
	Great way to storm the day.
	Yeah, and Six will live forever in our hearts.
	Yeah, that's about all I can storm for today.
	I can only endure the storm for so long.
	I'm hoping that Steven comes back sooner than later, but if not, I have a feeling we might be diving way back into the archives pretty soon here.
	Or checking in with some of our other buddies.
	Who knows?
	knows. Reach out to us on X of course, free speech bastion.
	At than Crowder, email us louder than Crowder at gmail.com, visit louder than Crowder.com
	or louder with Crowder.net.
	That's the one that's active. That's the important one.
	Website coming soon. But yeah, boys, lot of fun. You know, I know you've got to, you've got picnics
	to go to for chance six.
	And the nachos. Yeah, I'm going to kick in a window until next time for Jared and Dennis
	boy.
	Oh, it's slippery.
	All aboard!
	It's your Aloha?
	Mahalo.
	I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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