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Dec. 25, 2023 - Louder Than Crowder
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EPISODE 15: ATTENTION STRIKES (DECEMBER 11TH, 2023 PT. 2)

As we continue our Crowder/Jones replatforming postmortem we explore all the many ways Mug Clubbers are responsible. Wow. Great work, y'all.  Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
Louder with Crowder.
My name's Byron.
This is part two of our interview coverage of Alex Jones on Stephen's program.
It's dense.
Let's get into it.
Yeah, you're going to want to listen to part one.
It's dense, like ultra concentrated sperm from his pills.
What?
Super Male Vitality.
And listen, he's selling this one that will damage your balls, though.
It's got lead in it.
What a great start.
Let's get into it.
Here we go.
And we hosted him.
We weren't able to find it, probably because the episode was removed.
But we hosted Shocker.
Yeah, I'm getting a clip now from that episode.
From that episode?
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's hard for us to find because we've had some computer crashes here.
But mostly because of YouTube.
The jerks take stuff off.
But we do have a clip from March where we hosted Alex and we talked about how we had just hosted him when no one would.
So we had him immediately, I believe our first show at that point in time when Alex was banned.
We need to find that episode because of course it was banned.
And then we had him back on again even after our suspension.
That's why we, look, I know it's, you may think it's petty.
But when someone says you can't, you can't host this person because the people in power have told you that you can't, I have to irritate all of you.
It's a compulsion.
I can't help myself.
Hit the like button if you feel the same way.
Is it childish?
Maybe.
Definitely.
I like how he said it though.
When there was only one set of footprints, it was then that Stephen carried Alex Jones.
And on the beach there was only one set of footprints.
He wants to be this hero so bad.
Also wants to fight anything he can, I guess.
Someone says, don't put this guy on our platform, so we're gonna do it.
It's a compulsion!
Anyone would do that, man.
Any strong person.
Any strong person would.
Would host hateful people on their site.
That's why what I usually do is as soon as people get like kicked out for stealing from somewhere, I usually just let them take stuff from my house.
Come to my store.
Yep.
Great.
But why was Alex kicked off to begin with?
Yeah, let's find out.
This is from one of his mid-platforming appearances.
And there was no video?
They didn't name the kid's name?
You know, when you hear about a murder or a kidnapping or an assault... To be clear, I don't think I said you beat up a kid.
I think they claimed that you posted a video of a kid being beaten up, which I also don't know to be true.
But again, that would be an entirely different... Is that Steven?
I'm pretty sure we have, by the way.
I'll take those arrows because I'm pretty sure we have.
You're absolutely right.
Forbes and others said I beat up a kid.
They then moved on and said that I said use battle rifles on the media, but they didn't show a clip.
They took a 38-minute podcast I did one night, but I had a few beers.
But none of it had to do with violence.
It was like, we don't want to be violent.
We've got to use the criminal judicial system.
And Antifa says they're coming to the houses of law enforcement and Congress to kill them.
You better have your battle rifles ready.
So they played this word salad game, you know, like the refrigerator magnets, where you change the words around.
And she reads this statement, it's literally one word with quotes around another word,
and says that, well, you know, Joe, we had to take him off.
He was saying kill the media.
I would never do that.
Run the clip, Byron.
Wait, what?
I said kill the media.
Well, I don't have the clip.
I do have it from the New York Times, though.
What blew my mind about that clip you just played was how different Steven sounds.
Why?
Well, he's grown up.
Yeah, why does he sound so different?
Yeah, I mean, he's lived a lot of life since then.
He has.
An overnight.
One night.
Ash Wednesdays since then.
Yeah.
Forbes didn't say he beat up a kid.
Just like, he often claims, he says this all the time, he's like, people come up to me in the street, they say, why did you kill all those kids?
That the media has convinced the public that he's responsible for Sandy Hook.
What?
No.
He's like, they don't even know the name of the shooter.
It's Adam Lanza.
I do now Alex.
But when he says that Forbes said he beat up a kid, and that's not true, but they did report on him saying that you should prepare your battle rifles, use them against the media.
Yeah.
Which is an irresponsible thing to say.
Sure.
He tends to say metaphorically or politically after he says a statement like that.
We all know that he's... In Roblox.
He's not saying that you should shoot the media.
But he is, by talking like that, potentially putting that in the mind of someone.
Yeah, he's normalizing the thoughts.
We know for a fact, for instance, that people like Gerald and Steven are literalists when it comes to everything.
The girl boss from earlier.
Yeah, she's a lady boss.
And also she's at the Christmas party and she's telling everyone that she's in charge of them at the Christmas party.
Who's the boss here?
She's just a person.
Yeah.
He just bloviates Alex Jones.
He's the Gish Gala.
He can just do it.
This is what's impressive to me about it.
I know I like to pretend like he's cool and stuff, but he's such a good talker.
Could you imagine that if he was just doing something that wasn't this troubling?
They, you know, you could actually do something for good with like how, how well he's able to articulate, throw just every single word in the book at you.
There's gotta be good for something.
Right.
But it's like, he, he just uses it in the most dense, impossible to, uh, dig into way.
Like it's just for me trying to figure out like even where to start, it's like impenetrable.
You know.
So if you listen to him long enough, you'll realize that he says the same thing.
He recycles sentences constantly and he really doesn't say anything and he's learned this skill from talking four to five hours a day, six days a week for the past, I don't know, a couple decades?
Yeah.
He's like a glitchy computer that just dumps out a bunch of phrases.
Yeah, but it is dense and he does that on purpose so you can't question him.
And you can also be like, this is nonsense.
Where do you start if you wanted to?
Do you just, in the middle of a phrase, just kind of kick the shovel in the ground?
Or like, like I said, it's impenetrable.
So I was following it, but also, you know.
My head's spinning.
Yeah.
And so, but then in the same way, it means fucking nothing to me because it's, he's not giving you anything at all.
Well, we haven't even heard him in the modern day quite yet.
A, I don't believe in offensive violence.
I'm a libertarian.
B, I'd be arrested.
I should be off the air if I was on air saying, get your battle rifles ready and kill the media.
I'm the media.
I don't want people killing me.
I've never said that.
And I challenged him.
I put out a million dollar reward.
He did say that, that he put out a million dollar reward to find that cliff.
It was deleted and removed.
So he's just saying that.
Maybe it was on Steven's computer that crashed.
I would hope that maybe someone at Twitter would be like, okay, I could probably pull that.
We know he doesn't pay.
Of course he doesn't pay.
You could pay him though.
I did catch that.
He doesn't believe in offensive violence.
What does that mean to him?
He doesn't hit first.
But he also, like Steven, is a perpetual victim, so it's pretty easy to claim defensive violence, pretty much at all times.
He's warning, you know, but he's gonna snap.
And it is poisonous.
Time for Steven to continue to take as much credit as possible.
We actually, a big part of when we launched Mug Club, you know, as a completely independent platform, we based a big portion of our replatforming initiative not only around free speech, But that's specifically why Alex Jones joined and he has his show here on Mug Club every Friday.
If you haven't heard our first episode, episode zero, we did talk about the replatforming conference.
It's kind of a hoot.
You get to hear some green podcasting from us.
Yeah.
But also, I do want to highlight once again, there is nothing special about Alex Jones on Mug Club.
It is the last hour of his Friday show exclusively.
It's not anything different than what he does most days.
Well, I mean, but Steven gives him the opportunity.
To... To do that.
To talk to his very limited paid audience.
I don't see how this is platforming anyone.
It's a platform, but it's behind a velvet robe.
But you don't understand, Steven helped him.
And I'm surprised, honestly, that Toolman missed his cue right there.
It clearly says right here, fart noise and then sniff noise.
Very cool.
Very brown nose.
And then Stephen admits to baiting YouTube into giving him attention strikes, which, I mean, we all knew that.
Yeah, and just so you know, just because at that point in time, again, YouTube and X, still at that point, was like, well, you really can't have him on, you can't have him on.
I said, well, can we have him on as a guest?
They said, okay, yeah, okay, now you can, now you're allowed to have him on as a guest.
Can we have him, what if I'm sick?
Can he fill in host?
Absolutely not.
So May 15th, I let him fill in host when I was sick.
Well, this is surreal.
I am sitting here in the best produced, funniest, pro-human broadcast in the world that's just exploding.
It's already exploded years ago, but it's just taken over Rumble, YouTube, everywhere else.
Steven Crowder's amazing morning show.
And I am here with my training wheels on.
I never get butterflies, which is a very good thing.
It's been decades since I get butterflies.
I don't get butterflies on, you know, live on ABC News, but I've got them now.
That was the other one, just to be clear, because we are suspended right now.
Thank you, Mug Club.
Thank you, Rumble.
We appreciate it.
That signified a suspension on their YouTube account because, of course, they have some sort of fictionalized conversation with a YouTube person asking these questions.
They know the rules.
They know that Alex Jones, after being deplatformed, was not allowed to guest on podcasts.
And then there was a point in time where he was allowed to guest but not host.
So they had him host.
They just needed that strike.
Yeah, I really do not like the victimhood mentality of the right in general.
You know what I do like?
There's a lot of it on Steven's Show.
If I had something that Alex wanted, he would be a really great dinner guest.
He's so flattering.
Everything is the nicest, best, smartest.
Yeah, he was definitely talking about Steven's Show.
Oh, I love the studio.
He's been doing great stuff for years.
Yep, it's very true.
But I don't have anything Alex would want.
He's just such a salesman, man.
That's all he is.
Yeah.
Gotta sell that one thing that makes your body red.
He's got that pill that makes your body red.
Makes your body red?
Super niacin hit.
Something like that.
Ah, folks, you can beat any drug test with this, folks.
Just take about six of these niacin hits.
I'm just specifically talking about the before and after he did of like some like alpha male pill.
Oh, yeah, his his weight loss one that just made him redder.
Well, it makes you suck in, though, to colloidal silver.
No, it wasn't colloidal.
He was definitely selling colloidal, though, wasn't he?
Yeah.
Well, the weird thing, he got in trouble during the early days of COVID for selling colloidal silver, but he was doing as a topical and kind of winking that you might be able to like, it's OK to get a little in your mouth.
Hey, have you guys put a little of this in a milkshake just for flavor, and you're doing this, like, three, four times a day?
Like, this is... I have to say it's topical.
However... Folks, it's topical for your tongue.
It's topical, it's tropical.
We all know, that would be delicious if they flavored it.
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
Tropical.
Pineapple, little coconut.
I would sip on a little MMS.
What is it?
Miracle Mineral Solution?
Remember that?
No.
Oh, COVID-19.
X is a utility.
Yeah.
Utility?
Yeah.
I mean, it's just like my power.
Power gas.
Is that what he's trying to say?
It doesn't matter.
I know what some of you are going to say.
Well, hold on, it's a private company.
No, no, no.
Section 230 if we're talking about a company that benefits from being treated as a utility where they are not liable for what people say on that platform.
They have no right to censor barring a crime being committed.
Individual free speech on what is supposed to be a digital town square cannot be left to a vote.
And look, I will tell you, this is the problem that we have.
It's with basically what is effectively pure democracy as opposed to a constitutional republic.
It's mob rule.
We helped rig the vote.
I'm not going to lie to you.
We had every single person at Mug Club, every creator, every producer, everyone we could reach out to vote yes.
That's not how it should work.
It's either this is a free speech platform or it's not.
And of course, this is referencing the poll that Elon Musk posted on X over the weekend.
Reinstate Alex Jones on this platform.
Vox Populi.
Vox Dei.
And Stephen, of course, picks and chooses where democracy matters.
Totally admits to rigging this vote, reaching out to everyone.
It ended up being rather overwhelming that Alex Jones should be reinstated on the platform.
70.1% to 29.9% no out of almost 2 million votes.
I think this says a lot about the current state of Twitter.
Yeah, it's full of pieces.
Shit, sketchy folks.
It's definitely the left-leaning folks have left, that's that.
But also, I mean, there's gonna be plenty of legal conversations around what is and is not a utility, but... Sure, the Section 230 stuff... It's a complicated legal designation that I don't know enough about to say.
Sure.
But here's what I will say, is that there is speech that can cause harm.
Yes.
There absolutely is.
And I don't think... Really loud speech.
Yeah, and I don't think that it just deserves a pass because it is speech in general.
Of course.
There are absolutely rules around freedom of speech.
There are.
Just like seeing everyone on the right freak out about this thing happening in Iowa with that satanic temple set up.
Yeah.
And everyone's crying that it should be illegal.
There are rules around free speech.
There are.
And also Elon Musk is not a free speech warrior.
He's the one complaining- Not at all.
That there's this conspiracy against him to remove advertisers.
People not wanting to advertise on his platform, that's them exercising their own free speech.
He's just doing that classic, like, all my exes are crazy thing.
Yeah.
Yep.
Exes, huh?
Yeah, right?
Exactly.
SpaceX.
Yes.
The First Amendment is super important to Stephen.
So, so is all of this.
And the third.
We talked about that last week.
The third is vital.
Guys, keep it down.
Soldiers!
The Bill of Rights, the First Amendment, Second Amendment, was never meant to be subjected to a vote.
So, I'm glad that he's back.
I'm not comfortable with this setting the precedent of, hey, if you want someone back, let's toss it to a vote.
Because people in the next go-around, they may have been caught flat-footed, they're going to be on high alert.
These systems can be rigged.
We helped rig it this time.
We helped rig it, just letting you know.
Not saying we're responsible for it, but at least a significant portion, probably plus or minus 10%.
So now he is going back to Twitter.
He's back on Twitter, which is obviously something a lot of people are happy about.
We actually have exclusive footage of Jones' return to the Twittersphere.
Hello, boys!
I'm back!
I would have gone with Cape Fear, but that's okay.
Is that a clip from Independence Day?
Sure is.
I don't often keep his jokes, and mostly because they're not funny, and usually because they're about 30 years, 25, dated at least.
That was a 25-year-old joke.
But at the same time, I do constantly reference how Gerald is LeFou from The Beauty and the Beast, so who am I to...
Speak on the more current version.
Well, yeah, but listen, that's like, uh, you know that that lives on it's not just Relegated to 1996 Jerry's McGuire's, you know, I was thinking about this Why doesn't he try to get Cuba Gooding jr.
On his platform?
He's been like super cancelled and he loves Jerry McGuire You know, he said some stuff and he's you know, there's there's a classic clip that the internet knows about about sucking that baby's dick Oh gross, dude.
What?
You know, the thing that you say when you're DJing a party.
We're off the rails.
And also, I'm just, I was quiet there for a second, but I was just kind of looking at the section 230 here.
Further provides a good Samaritan protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third party material.
They deem obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, and otherwise objectionable whether or not such materials constitutionally protect This is like a two-way agreement, though, it seems, though.
If we're all using it, but he's not using it that way.
I think it's just as simple as, like, just because somebody has the protection from something legally doesn't mean they have to tolerate it being there.
Yeah.
The argument is whether or not Twitter or X is a platform or a publisher, I think, is always the argument.
And if they're choosing who can post on their site, they become a publisher or something?
And they lose that section.
It reminds me of like sovereign citizen bullshit.
I have honestly, I don't know the legal qualifications of any of it.
I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
And I'm not, I'm not, uh, fuck, I don't know.
Posting?
I had a, I had an internet one.
Could be good information superhighway.
I'm not traveling, I'm driving down the information superhighway?
Yeah, something like that.
Is that what you were saying?
Yeah, I couldn't connect it quick enough.
I just think it's so funny that he talks about how the amendments should never come down to a vote when they were established via vote, right?
Yeah, amendments are added via vote.
Yeah, they're added to the Constitution so they make changes.
I'm not saying that we need to have like a serious conversation around amendments, but I will say that it's okay to at least get the public's opinion.
And you know that, Elon, that vote wasn't an official anything.
That was like a ceremonial vote.
That was a kindergarten graduation.
Yes.
Yep.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
So it's it's uh incredible very very excited about uh what happened but I agree with you having it come down to a vote is like the old Roman Colosseums where thumbs up they live thumbs down the uh Gladiator that's victorious goes ahead and chops the head off of the person that's defeated.
So I was definitely biting my nails.
And I was calling you and other great folks and saying, will you please go vote?
Because the deep staters, the Democrats, were running around like chickens with their heads cut off saying, go vote against Jones.
So 2 million, I think it was 2 million plus votes.
Pretty crazy.
70-30 for reinstating me.
So how do you know the deep state's asking people to vote against you?
Well, I have the deep state newsletter.
Oh sure, and then here's an emergency publication.
I've got a tooth that is a deep state communicator tooth.
Yeah, all my friends on Blue Sky told me.
On Blue Sky?
All my journalist friends.
I text my boy George Soros.
I know Elon, he texted Thiel.
On the Sorosphere.
We know the Koch brothers!
We can just get these guys on the line.
This is fine.
The desperation of a tweet from Alex Jones riddled with typos on some sort of group chat labeled cry face emoji or something coming in at 11.45 at night.
Oof, that's gotta hurt.
Listeners to the Knowledge Fight podcast may know that Alex loves to talk about movies as if they're real life.
No, not always.
Those usually documentaries or biopics.
Okay.
Even those sometimes are elaborated and embellished.
Yes.
Uh, so I had to look into this whole thumbs up thumbs down thing because obviously he's referencing the gladiator in the movie.
And even Stephen knows by saying Joaquin Phoenix.
You know, not like the real gladiators of Roman times.
No, they actually did do thumbs up thumbs down.
They did!
And then they counted.
They said hold those for like five hours and somebody went around and counted all of them.
No, it was always the leader that would do the thumbs up thumbs down, but he got it flipped, which is really interesting.
Up represented raising the sword for a killing blow.
Oh.
And a thumbs down meant dropping the weapon.
Oh, okay.
It's more like a visual representation of like, use your sword or drop the sword.
It's a real strength and honor kind of thing.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Kind of interesting.
Okay.
That's a nice little fun moment in this dark show.
That is a fun moment.
Yeah, absolutely.
Talking about the death of an imprisoned person in the middle of an arena.
And I hope the next clip's probably a little bit more like uplifting.
Oh, it's not.
A lot of people think that you were banned from Twitter because of something to do with Sandy Hook.
And Elon, in I believe the spaces that you guys had, I think it was yesterday.
Was it yesterday or Saturday?
I believe it was yesterday.
I did two and a half hours with Elon.
It was insane.
I just want to show this clip so people hear it, not from us.
Elon clarified that the reason you were banned from Twitter had to do with that sniveling worm, Oliver Darcy.
Nothing to do with Sandy Hook.
Let's listen to the clip.
I guess the premise as to why Alex was banned so long was that, you know, he supposedly lied about an atrocity and that goes against X community guidelines.
That's actually not, that's not quite correct.
The, at least, obviously this was before, you know, I acquired the company, but the actual reason for suspending him was he basically insulted a journalist.
Well, wasn't it your purpose for keeping him sealed in?
Well, he believed that because the media had said that.
Now he's learned that, right?
I'm just going off of what... I just looked at the logs for reason for suspension.
It was basically a third strike violation.
The third strike violation was insulting a journalist.
Yeah.
This is literally... This was not my decision.
This is literally the Twitter logs of the old people that used to run Twitter.
And that's important for people to note, and also Alex, a lot of people may not necessarily know this, you had good reason to be pissed off with Oliver Darcy.
Not only was he dishonest, or is he dishonest, not only is he a CNN hack, this was a guy who also fleeced the blaze, right?
He fleeced conservative organizations for a very long time before turning heel and then being the arbiter of all things offensive.
If you believe that Alex Jones was banned because he insulted a journalist, I have a bridge to sell you.
I mean, that was the last strike.
He just insulted a journalist?
He just said, hey, you're dumb?
Not exactly.
Oliver Darcy, he's a former producer at the Blaze before he moved to CNN.
He's a media reporter there.
While he was in Washington, D.C., in line between two congressional hearings on the topic of social media, Alex and his team, including Harrison Smith, who's currently the host of a show on the InfoWars network called the American Journal, and another guy who I probably could figure it out, but I hold no light or a boom or something.
They rushed in, surrounded Oliver Darcy, and abused him for about 10 minutes.
Okay.
And I did find that clip, and I cut two chunks out of it.
Look at this right here.
The guy that goes around policing and calling for censorship and then claims that Trump's wrong, there's no censorship of conservatives or patriots.
You are incredibly shameful.
How are you doing, Alex?
You're just, look at you, you are literally an anti-American, anti-free speech coward.
You're going to go down the history books at the Criminal News Network.
This is one of the main people right here who thinks you have no memory.
Who sits there and lobbies.
And then I pulled another clip from the middle.
Is there anything else you'd like to say?
Oh no, you don't talk back to me as slaves.
You just act... calling everybody's sponsors to get them to dump you.
Working with Media Matters and the Nazi collaborator George Soros.
Smiling like a possum that climbed out of the rear end of a dead cow.
You've used that one several times.
That's what you look like.
You need to come up with something.
You look like a possum that got caught doing some really nasty stuff.
In my view.
You're a public figure too.
You'd probably go to Twitter and say, he's bullying me.
I'm only trying to be platform everywhere and celebrating it and then insulting my viewers a week later saying no one's doing it.
How dumb do you think your viewers are?
Do you think they have no memory like Dari from Finding Nemo?
Oh my god.
Dory?
Dory from Finding Nemo?
Yeah, yeah.
He can't remember his kids names, but he can remember Dory from Finding Nemo.
Nemo.
Well, he got close.
He got close.
I, you know, closer than he got his kids names, but that's fine.
This is interesting.
I mean, it goes on for a lot longer.
It's like 10 minutes of a guy being surrounded and bullied in line in DC.
You can tell he gets so upset when Oliver Darcy's not responding back to these insults.
He's baiting him.
Yeah, yeah.
It pissed him off so much, you could tell.
First of all, you heard him call him a possum that crawled out of the ass of a cow?
I heard him say a possum that got caught doing something nasty.
He also called him a rat, which is, you know, that's... I really like the, I don't, I'm being sarcastic, but I like the possum that got caught doing something nasty.
It's such a hilarious... What was the possum doing do you guys think?
Like eating ticks or something?
I mean, he was like... That's what they eat.
They eat ticks.
I didn't know that.
Possums are like usually, when I'm seeing them, they're kind of just hissing and strolling around.
You know, I had two dead ones in my backyard recently.
I don't know what happened.
It sucked.
It was not fun.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
Stinky.
You know, they were gone for a couple days.
I don't know how I feel about Oliver Darcy being the final strike.
I think it's kind of neither here nor there in terms of an offense worthy of a strike.
It's just like Al Capone going down because of tax evasion.
Well, yeah, I guess.
But, like, should we be confronting journalists?
I mean, I know there's a handful of times that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene are harassed in restaurants, and I also don't really agree with that.
Just, and maybe just general harassment is something that, like... Well, I mean, like this, like, ambush journalism, it never yields anything... Well, it yields a really funny picture that Oliver Darcy posted here.
He took off Alex and the caption is, Alex Jones is currently yelling at me.
Nice.
That is a great caption.
I only wish that it was like, Alex Jones yells at me, colorized, 19.
Yeah, I don't know.
How do you feel about this Jared?
Is that worthy of a strike?
I don't know.
I mean like yeah, I guess I'm like a little bit confused on the... so like this was posted to Twitter and... Nope, this was posted from his live stream that I found.
Okay, and so Twitter banned him for posting this on his own, or more that it was like the action that he took.
Just that he did it, yeah.
I think honestly, it's just like a long, we went over this like long list of things that he had done, and even Jack Dorsey saying that they didn't kick him off, they just put him on timeout, which is clearly what happened again here.
I mean, it's new owners, and I guess you can kind of say what this is, but they're just taking him off of timeout again.
I don't really think that anything's changed necessarily.
I mean, especially that they brought Kanye back and that, you know, other people are on the way back in to the conversation.
Just to make it even more of a hellhole and an unlivable place on the internet, basically.
Ultimately I think that they made they made a bad decision by bringing him back because he's not really somebody who's like known for having good faith discourse and and being a good Samaritan period if that's what you want to use for the 230 section 230.
The straw that breaks the camel's back is not responsible for the break of the back right it's it's everything it's it's compounding we can't just be like Well he said one bad thing to a journalist and then he got deplatformed.
It wasn't just that, right?
There was a lot more to it that led there.
And Jack Dorsey kind of stood up for him for a while.
Yeah.
Like gave him some chances.
Yeah, yeah.
I let him have a say and then he kept fucking up.
This is what he thought he wanted.
Yeah.
Because of course he, I mean at the time he had one of the top shows.
Top shows of all time.
We had one of the top shows in the world.
In 2016, 2017 to 2018, they de-platform us for a bunch of made-up, crazy stuff.
The last thing was Oliver Darcy and Tim Cook, who helped quarterback it, said, I don't have a reason.
He just is bad.
I'm going to curate him like he was removing a museum piece.
Then, we now know because they bragged about it when they won the cases in a kangaroo court where the judge had already found me guilty in Connecticut and Texas.
The PR firm that we knew was involved went public, one of the largest in the country, out of New York and said, yeah, we basically went after Jones when he was deplatformed.
They then pushed the story of Sandy Hook, exaggerating what I'd said out of context, claiming I was currently doing things that I'd never done, pissed off the families for over a year.
And then the law firms that were admittedly working with the PR firm filed suit on me and coordinated actions and that had me defaulted, even though I gave them all the discovery, and then the juries decided how guilty I was.
Right.
So, very un-American, and so I explained that to Elon, and he really went, whoa!
Speaking on the defaults, the court gave him numerous chances to provide them with the documents and discovery.
He got exactly what he wanted.
He didn't want to turn over his financials because he probably thought it would be embarrassing to show how little money he actually made.
I mean, he thought very incorrectly that that would be the better choice.
Now he owes a billion dollars.
And to be clear, Apple and YouTube, they removed his contents on August 5th, the night before the big August 6th deplatforming.
Yeah.
I don't know if they were coordinated.
I also don't think it matters because isn't it Apple's free speech to choose who they want to be using their platform?
Use it until you abuse it.
That's kind of how everyone operates.
I mean, like there's been other like, uh, deplatforming on Apple.
There's been, there's been tons of like Nazi podcasts that have been taken off where they're able, you know, they get eight episodes in and then they take them down and it's a free speech atrocity for these people.
But it's like, they don't want that on there.
No one wants that on there except for y'all.
And it's very small.
Oftentimes people will say that there's like these coordinated efforts when in generally I think that it's just like consensus that somebody sucks, right?
Let's say there was like a house on fire.
Both you and your neighbor might leave your house to step away from the fire even though you didn't plan on that together.
Sure.
And we walked through the timeline.
It was pretty apparent that there was a track record of escalating content being pushed on these platforms.
And they just see him being a piece of shit.
And so they're like, we should probably step away from this.
And I don't think there's this big conspiracy where they're like, all right, cool.
We're Deep State.
He's not.
Let's get him out.
If I'm being honest, I don't care if it was.
I mean, I don't want there to be this, like, You don't want Apple hanging out with YouTube and deciding like, hey man, like... I mean, Jones has been exposing this since 1998 with the Bohemian Grove when Bill Windows and Tim Apple got together in the Bohemian Grove and they were talking about... Bohemian?
Yeah, whatever it's called.
And what, balls there, he's eating kids and stuff.
Yeah, right.
I don't know.
And then a place like Twitter, or a place like Facebook, or a place like Apple, or YouTube, they use this as justification for removing you.
And that really has nothing to do, for example, with the reason they're actually looking to remove you.
Or they present that publicly.
And then you can't defend yourself.
Right.
And then you can't defend yourself.
I mean, there's literally tens of thousands of articles that have run in the last four or five years saying, I was taken off the internet because I stalked parents of dead children.
None of it's true!
No proof, never sent anyone, barely ever covered it.
Yeah, but he did platform and support the conspiratorial beliefs of Wolfgang Halbig, who did stalk and harass the families of the Sandy Hook children.
I, when I hear this rant, he said he can't defend himself.
You can, you just can't get your base defending you on your, on, on your behalf.
Yeah, I mean he made his whole website.
He claims to have millions and millions of viewers and listeners.
Yeah, and if you need somebody else to have your popularity, you aren't as popular as you think you are.
And he does the same thing where he claims that people say something about him instead of actually being honest about what he did.
He's avoiding the fact that he did platform some really awful people.
He brings up the worst idea when the second place idea is still a bad move.
Yes, of course.
You know what would be really good to do, because I think even in their cases, I think
it was presented that you spoke of it, I think 16 minutes total over the course of how many
years considering that you speak for hours and hours a day.
But you would admit this, and I know this is true.
If people were to compare a ratio of how much you've discussed Sandy Hook versus how much you have no respect for Oliver Darcy, it would probably be a 10, 15, 20 to 1.
You don't shy away from the fact that that guy's a worm and you don't like him.
Neither do I. That guy just has a face that, you know, you want to have removed from CNN.
I'll put it that way.
Let me tell you why I'm mad at Darcy.
He later bragged about it, but we learned from the sponsors.
I mean, I had like a hundred sponsors back then.
My crew was paid well.
We had plenty of money.
And they kept sending emails.
I was about to have a book published by one of the top writers in the country.
You know, the guy that wrote The Game, the guy that wrote Dirt, you know, just huge guy.
And they found out about the proposal.
And him and Stelter and CNN sent letters threatening the publisher.
They fired arguably the most famous agent in the country two days later for even discussing it with me, with the big author.
Big author, Neil Strauss.
He doesn't say his name, author of the game.
The guy who introduced the world to peacocking and negging bitches.
So, a pickup artist.
Yeah.
This is who he's... I mean, Neil Strauss, he's done some writing for Rolling Stone.
Again, I don't know too much about him.
I do know that he wrote a book about Marilyn Manson as well.
This is not related to anything really.
Sure.
But I want to share with you guys that there is an old professional soaper.
Oh, Soap Shoes.
And he is now a pick-up artist.
We have to explain that.
Okay, so Soap Shoes were this like... Deadly footwear.
Sure.
Yes.
They were tennis shoes that had grind plates like rollerblades on the bottom of them and they heavily sponsored the game Sonic Adventure 2.
Of course.
He had a pair of soap shoes.
Yeah.
But there was this professional soaper who would basically rollerblade without wheels.
Now he's a pickup artist.
Like that's what he does now for a living.
His name's Ryan Josimus.
Wow.
Check him out and hire him, honestly.
Yeah, hire him.
If you need to get laid, get this guy.
He will help you out.
I mean, he also did a memoir for the Jonas Brothers and is doing an upcoming untitled memoir about Sean White.
But yeah, for Alex to complain that, I don't know, who someone got this project pulled?
I don't know, whoever was funding Neil Strauss's book was probably like, yeah, we can't Write a book about the guy who said this about Sandy Hook?
Sometimes the free market hates you, man.
That's okay.
Sometimes you just have to deal with it.
No one is obligated to pay money or do a project with anyone.
That's not the case.
And if you're upset that that happens, just have ideas that maybe are more kind.
It's probably a good idea, yeah.
I'm just kind of looking to see if Neil Strauss has any pictures of him in a fedora.
Okay.
And then I got finally kicked off Twitter for that because I was bullying people.
No, he's a public figure at a hearing where I'm being demonized and lied about that I can't defend myself and yeah, I was pissed off.
Of course, absolutely.
We don't even need to talk about that clip.
This is a huge deal, right?
This was trending all weekend and then it kind of got pushed out just for a little bit from something that doesn't matter but actually happened.
Vivek Ramaswamy peeing into a live mic and just, you know, that took a little bit of the shine off of your space.
It is a comedy show.
That's Vivek.
That's your phone, Vivek.
I'm not able to mute you.
Vivek.
Go ahead, Elon.
Sorry about that.
I feel great.
Thank you.
feature, science and evidence shows is real and that we need
gentlemen, I have to go. Yeah, I just want to be clear about
this. I'm super pro human. And I mean, all humans, you know, humans in America, humans, and everywhere else. Phone open
to the bathroom.
That's the vector the vector. That's your phone. The vector.
I'm not able to mute you. The neck. Go ahead, Elon.
Sorry about that, though. Well, I hope you feel better. I feel
great. Thank you. I guess. No, I can't tell you how many times
I've done that, but not on a live, you know, a live space.
It's usually just before we're out in location.
That being said, you know, a much stronger stream, I will say.
That's the one thing that I think is most embarrassing there.
He's never heard of Flomax, but... Wait, what?
Well, there were so many people on there.
That space system works really good, but sometimes the audio and too many people are open gets a little muddy, but it was crystal clear.
I had it on speakerphone.
And you could hear someone was peeing, and I guess on their control panel, they could tell that that was Vivek.
And so, I'm the guy that added him.
I said, hey, somebody's peeing live on air.
And he goes, oh, sorry, but here's the deal.
Here's the punchline.
He literally asserted his dominance and marked his territory.
Yes, he did.
He actually peed on my story.
Yes, well also, by the way, he did it on a Christmas tree when we found out, which was weird.
First of all, every Twitter space I've ever been on sounds like shit.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same exact thing.
The deep state made it sound bad actually.
The deep state broke the recording.
Not only is it the participants that sound like whiny little fucking dorks, it also just sounds like shit.
People over-talking, the compression is all messed up.
Do you guys take Flomax?
We don't know what that is.
Flomax is for like treating like enlarged prostate or something?
It makes you piss big?
I guess.
Fluminous piss.
Do you guys ever think about other people's piss stream strength?
Yes.
If I'm standing next to someone and they got that big old whoosh, you know, I'm like, now that's a hog that pisses.
Can you get an InfoWars supplement version of Flux?
I bet that you can.
I've been looking for urine and I, you know, I don't really see any.
I bet it's called a urine charge.
I bet it's called PissStream.
PissStream, but X-Stream?
Piss stream?
I don't know, guys.
It's really late.
I think it's called You're In Charge.
I like them both.
Boys only.
Boys only urine.
Gerald's got some questions, though.
Okay, nice.
What do you see next, right?
I know that you talked about Mug Club, you talked about the shows coming up and more content coming out, but what do you think is going to be the reaction of the left, of the media?
Like, what's their next hit?
Because this is a huge win for you.
You know, they've already had P.I.s on me for six years.
They've already done stuff that I've told you guys about it probably.
Some of it's happened to you.
When I was up at your studios a couple times, they had black sedans, black SUVs follow all of us around.
You get followed, I get followed, I get followed here.
They contact any woman they know I ever even talked to and said, we'll give you money to say he raped you.
They haven't had anybody yet that's taken the money.
These are women I've never even had sex with.
They just find out that I'm...
I mean, a photo at a party and they do face recognition on Facebook and call the women and offer them, you know, money.
I mean, so this is dirty.
I don't know what they're going to do next.
Alex wasn't listening even a little bit.
No.
To the question, right?
Not at all.
What's going to be next for you?
And he thinks it's what the deep state is going to be doing.
He's like, I'll tell you what's next for me.
I'm going to be a back of one of these fricking GMC Suburbans.
And they're gonna be spanking my little bare ass all over the backseat.
What do you think?
Yeah, good thing he's got a... I was noticing he's got CBD full spectrum on his... You're still looking at sups?
Yeah, I'm trying to see if we got any pee.
You know, this is important.
I do appreciate that.
That is important.
And this is a huge win for Alex.
He's finally back on the platform.
Finally back on it.
When it's super relevant and it's not just like a weird conservative zombie echo chamber.
No.
Why does this matter?
Why do they care so much about this?
I don't know.
I think they want to be... I made it to the Olympics, guys!
Sure, it was over ten years ago, and I'm just standing in the middle of this giant, abandoned arena.
I'm on the same track that Usain Bolt ran on.
No one cares.
I played mini-golf in Canada at the Olympic Stadium there.
This is like when, uh, after a baseball game, they let the kids come and run the bases.
Sure.
That's very cool.
That's kind of how I felt doing mini golf.
You guys, along with Mark Dice, were about the only people when I got thirsty platform that immediately came out in my defense.
Everybody else kind of sat back.
It was neutral or, you know, some of the Ben Shapiro and people were actually for it.
Uh, and, and other people were for it.
Uh, and so it was wrong.
And so, you know, I'm not looking for sunshine patriots here.
I'm looking for winter soldiers.
So I salute you guys and also salute the Mug Club.
And that's why, yeah, we're out here in cyberspace.
We're out here, you know, on Twitter and all these places, but it can be taken away anytime.
That's why Rumble has proven to be the real thoroughbred and the very best at free speech.
That's why everybody needs the support.
Everybody needs to go to jonescrowder.com if you're not a member and sign up and subscribe
Knowing you're backing free speech and you're backing winners that are the the real McCoys
They're the original gangsters who have the pedigree of not being royal
But of being in the fight the longest and never backing down never submitting never selling out
Alex I think you're being used He's being used.
There's no way he's financially benefiting the same way Stephen is with this, right?
I don't know.
I mean, I could see him just being like a paid spokesperson for Mug Club.
Sure.
Yeah.
But how much is he being paid versus how much is Stephen making off of this?
Sure.
And I mean, maybe he's not paying Alex very much and he's viewing this as like, this is my payday.
I have all these fucking goobers in the wings and as soon as one of them does something, I can jump on it and take advantage.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I just checked out jonescrowder.com and it just takes you to the mug club with a promo code $10 well see it's not it's one free month but you have to still pay for the whole year they just give you an extra oh nice good yeah a baker's dozen and that's kind of what you get a baker doesn't a month yeah huh We got more fucking clips.
All right.
What's that, Jer?
The only thing I can really find here is that super male vitality might give you, they might give you, um, increase your sperm concentration, it says, but also density.
Maybe the volume, perhaps?
Well, it's a concentration.
Oh my God.
Is it like one just like blast?
Because I was getting kicked around and torn up.
I mean, I'm a man, so at a certain level that gave me some energy, but I was somewhat down and sad for the state of tyranny here and around the world.
But to start seeing the tide, not just with me, but so many other bellwethers turn back to liberty is a very, very exciting thing.
So I salute everybody at Mug Club because you're at the heart of the resistance.
Well, I agree.
And by the way, you know, I think people sort of misconstrue, I mean, we'll hear Andrew Tate do this sometimes, like depression versus being sad or being exhausted.
The way we describe it here is we say, look, we're never a victim, but we are a target, right?
You don't have to be a victim just because you're a target, but you are a target and we have a target on our back.
And it's okay for that to be overwhelming sometimes.
And after all this, I do think that you'll probably need, you know, a well-earned rest to recharge so that you can hit it.
Sorry, that was abrupt.
Yeah.
Where was he going when he started talking about depression and sadness?
Well, they're both very, very depressed because of the situations that they put themselves in.
I thought he was going to go on this conversation around like, uh, how sadness and depression are different overall, but he's...
He bailed out, abandoned, and he does believe that.
I mean, he doesn't believe that depression is like a real thing.
Just like Andrew Tate believes that depression isn't real and that antidepressants aren't actually medicine.
Sure, yeah.
That you can cure all depression with working out and fucking chicks.
Of course you can, yeah.
I loved about that particular clip we just listened to about how Alex Jones said he was sad for the state of tyranny.
I picture him like walking around a park listening to sad music crying about tyranny.
That's fun.
In my head he's summited a mountain gazing into the the metropolitan hellscape hellscape of Austin, Texas.
Yes.
Yes.
The city needs me.
Steven suggests that that Alex should go on a vacation and I would like to point out that in the last three months he's taken three.
Two to Mexico and one to Hawaii and all of this is with money that he should be paying the victims of the Sandy Hook Massacre.
Yep.
He doesn't need a vacation.
He needs to go be sad about the state of tyranny.
It's interesting that Steven now is going to talk briefly about the person who I believe is solely responsible for the replatforming of Alex Jones.
Okay.
And I'm glad to see that Tucker had you on.
I'm glad to see that Elon has done this.
I now see that Tucker's going to have Owen on, I believe, later this week once he gets out of... Tomorrow.
Is he having him on tomorrow?
Tomorrow.
Okay, great.
And I'm glad to see that.
Like we said, Owen Schroyer was released from jail early and I believe if he hasn't already been on, I don't know if it's actually gonna happen, I didn't see it yet, but Owen is scheduled supposedly to be on Tucker's program as well to talk about you know
how he was jailed for his free speech I guess. Yeah speech only of course. Do you
guys remember when Trump said he would consider Tucker as a running mate? I saw a poll that
suggested that 30 percent of people believe that Tucker will be his running mate. Imagine that happens
he wins and Trump dies because of like an illness and then Tucker Carlson becomes the president.
Jesus Christ, man.
That is my nightmare.
I can't sleep.
That is my nightmare.
Have you heard of this?
I'm the president now.
And what are we thinking of this?
Making that shitty stink face at like a summit, the G7 or whatever.
Yeah, his mouth breathing thing that he does.
And the end of men, you remember the end of men?
Yeah, I do remember.
What a weird fucking show.
That's our president.
The guy who talks about sunning your anus and balls.
Nice.
Great.
Pyrenean, baby.
But what's the point?
What is the point?
The point is we need people to stop being on bandwagons and be leaders.
If you're a Christian, a constitutionalist, if you're somebody that's a capitalist, somebody that just likes sanity and likes not having World War III and doesn't want to live under woke communist ideology, then dammit folks, don't try to mince your words when you're up against totalitarian cults, a death cult.
You've got to get hardcore in their face and not back down an inch, because I'll assure you, they're never going to compromise.
They always call it compromise.
Their word for compromise means surrender.
And so in the words of Elon Musk, go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself, dude.
Dude, that's so legendary, man.
The boys, they do a bit of reflection, and then Steven actually goes on, I believe, what appears to be a sporadic monologue, but I could be wrong.
First, though, Gerald is really in his feels after this conversation.
I mean, as he should be.
It's emotional.
I really did mean that.
Like, yesterday, watching this happen, kind of in real time, and really on Saturday, I think when the poll came out, I can't remember the exact timing.
It was great.
Like, I felt so good for Alex.
And I sent him the text, and the text was, I'm glad that you're getting more of the recognition back that you deserve.
He already had it.
Yeah.
But then they tried to take it away from him.
Yeah.
And I just, I felt so good for him that now they're finally like, was, because obviously Bug Club was fantastic for him.
That's great.
But that's, that, that was the first step.
Right.
And there are many more steps to go in this process for him.
And I was just happy for him because of all the stuff that's happened.
I mean, a billion dollar lawsuit against the, come on, like, it's tough to take that.
Like you said, he's a man, he could take these fights, but sometimes it's like, you just need that little win.
Yeah.
Just a little win.
I love this.
Because Gerald is like acting like Alex is his son.
You know, when I saw him, I sent him a text and said, hey bud, proud of you.
You did good today.
He wants a son.
He wants Alex to be his son.
Well, he needs a new son because he dropped his.
We just talked about that at the beginning of this episode.
Gerald dropped his son.
What?
Did I black that out?
And now he's got a serial killer for a child, Dennis.
You don't remember that?
Dude, you really not remember when Gerald said he hurt his neck?
Oh yeah!
Gerald pulls his phone out, he sees the pole, gets a tear in his eye and salutes it.
Salutes his phone.
His Android phone.
His Pixel.
Yeah, he salutes his Galaxy Note 4.
Of course, yes.
Last clip of the night, boys.
Stephen's got some reflecting to do.
Nice.
Dennis.
Yeah.
Stephen and I. Last clip.
Begging for you to look.
Look?
Look.
Look.
There can be no integrity.
There can be no integrity without authenticity.
And so, I will tell you this, I have a lot more respect for someone like Alex Jones, who's very honest about his flaws.
I have a lot more respect for someone, of course, in my club, like a Nick DiPaolo.
Or even the Hodgetwins, who, sure, they can be crass.
Sure, Nick DiPaolo, we know that he's not a believer, but he talks about that.
And he does, you know, where else are you going to have a Nick DiPaolo?
I say the funniest stand-up of my generation, period.
Sit down and talk apologetics with Gerald.
Hey, those are baby steps.
That's progress.
But you can only have that if we accept Authenticity.
Now that doesn't mean perfection, but only that authenticity, as imperfect as it may be, can lead to any kind of integrity.
Hey, when you see these Christian films that go out there, right, and it's G, and it's aimed at adults, is that the way that all adults speak?
Or certainly when they're in a situation?
That could be the most, you know, a death in a family, a divorce.
You'll see this with Christian films, with conservative films.
They go, yeah, yeah, we want it to be real.
And I go, oh, gold, darn it.
Like, look, I'm just, it's just not real.
It's just not authentic.
Let's stop expecting people to be perfect and let's expect them to have integrity.
And that means expecting some form of authenticity.
Is he still holding on to, you know, how upset his castmates were at him for calling that girl a slut in that Christian movie?
I mean, I think he would like to be more proud of his performance in that and would love for the director's cut to come out with all of the... If you guys could see how authentic I was in that moment, you would have a better appreciation for Christian movies as a whole.
I would elevate the entire art.
When I called that slut a bitch... This is a funny rant because He doesn't know what any of these words mean.
No.
Like people can't be authentically lacking integrity?
I guess it reminded me of what Alex said though about like not being tolerant of anything except exactly what you want and then Steven goes on to say that nobody's perfect.
Yeah.
It hurt my neck.
My neck is hurting now.
My neck is hurting.
Only two A's.
That happens, Byron.
And Nick DiPaolo doesn't believe in God?
Nick DiPaolo is the greatest comedian of history.
Well, we all know that.
That's true.
I think that's why his neck hurts from stretching so much.
When was the last DiPaolo special?
Dude, I don't even know.
What else did we learn tonight, boys?
I'm getting a little fried.
Oliver Darcy, yelled at.
Gary's a hero for killing that guy who had handcuffs on.
Yep.
And the only way to be a leader is to disrespect the people who follow you.
Cops don't get in trouble.
We learned that cops don't get in trouble.
That's really important.
Cops never get in trouble.
We learned that one night is actually five months.
We learned that Christmas parties, there's no rules.
No rules at Christmas parties?
You can't be a boss at the Christmas party.
No, most certainly not.
We're bosses at parties.
We learned that women aren't allowed to podcast.
Yeah, I don't know.
Did we learn anything today?
No, not a fucking thing.
I don't think we learned anything.
This is just a bunch of bullshit.
That's about all I can handle this week.
If you, listener, disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
I'll just unroll this large banner.
It says, convince me otherwise.
You guys warming our hearts in during this cold, cold season with those Apple podcast ratings and reviews, the same goes with Spotify.
It really does mean a lot.
We are a little bit under our goal for Twitter at Van Crowder because Jared wants to show you his dog.
Yeah, you guys want to see the dog, right?
Do you guys want me to have a fake pole?
No, I don't think we need to be doing that.
I can have Steven promote it.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
I just want y'all to know the dog sitting here is sweetly just, just hanging.
Begging to be taken pics of.
You should see this dog in here.
Alright, louderthancrowder.com, louderwithcrowder.net.
And until next time, for Jared.
Thanks.
And Dennis.
I'm sorry you have to listen to Steven.
I'm Byron.
Take care.
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