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Sept. 9, 2023 - Louder Than Crowder
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EPISODE 2: SUPER TREAD'R EVENT (AUGUST 30TH, 2023)

This week we discuss or origins, TikTok, backpacks, and...our rights.  Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast louder with Crowder.
My name's Byron.
I'm joined tonight by Dennis.
I'm here.
And Jared.
I too am here.
And boys, hope you're ready.
We're going to be covering August 30th, 2023's episode of Louder With Crowder, as well as a little bit of another fellas show.
Hmm.
Okay.
Curious.
We're mostly going to be focusing on the Gadsden flag kid situation.
You familiar with this at all?
Nope.
Your blank expression.
What's that?
I just gave him a little honk shoe to the episode.
This one is a bit of a stinker.
It's not great.
Honk shoe?
Is that a snoring?
Oh yeah.
I got a feather.
It's going above my mouth.
It's coming down.
I'm blowing it back up.
This is a real sleeper.
That's why I'm kind of subsidizing the content with someone else's program.
We're going to be focusing on the Gadsden flag kid situation.
Dennis, you know anything about that?
That's the no-step-on-snack one, right?
That's the flag, yeah.
No-step-on-snack.
There's a 12-year-old kid in Colorado Springs who was removed from class for having this flag on his backpack.
Okay.
That's mostly what they're talking about today.
Like the whole episode is about that?
Most of it.
Okay.
I agree with Crowder on one of these things at least.
Really?
I had to dig in myself.
I had to look into this.
There is some glaring mistakes that were made, but at the same time, is this news?
Or is it snooze?
So, before we jump in, I had a couple of new listeners reaching out saying that they had trouble doing that because they don't really know who they are.
How do they reach out?
All kinds of things.
Social media.
Okay.
Did anyone send you mail?
No physical mail.
Someone sent you a letter?
No, the episode just came out a couple days ago.
The mail's better.
It's fast.
Right.
Thought that maybe we could take a second to talk about who we are.
Is that why they reached out?
Yeah, they want to know about us.
Did you guys choose your theme music yet?
No.
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
My theme music is probably Anxiety by Megan Thee Stallion.
Okay.
Wet Ass P-Word.
Wet Ass P-Word.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's a different track.
I'm a bad bitch, but I got bad anxiety.
Oh, fun.
That's my theme song.
I guess I'll keep thinking about that, but Dennis and I, we've been friends since middle school.
23 years.
That's pretty wild.
24 years we've been friends.
I'd come to your house and we'd play Game Boy emulators.
Well, yeah.
On my computer.
Uh-huh.
We used to, actually, it's funny, I remember the first day that we hung out, you and I were playing with a Winamp media player.
Fuck yeah, dude.
Are you guys just turning on the visualizer and just staring into the abyss?
It's dorkier than that.
Dennis you installed a like a like an add-on like an extension to Winamp that could reverse things.
Really?
Yeah!
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Nice.
Yeah, that's a good first share of a thing.
What was the stinger?
Like, it slaps the llama on the ass.
It really whips the llama's ass.
It whips the llama's ass.
Winamp!
Winamp!
For people who don't know Winamp Media Player, it's kind of like, well, I was going to say iTunes Media Player.
People don't even use that.
It's like Spotify.
Kind of, but it was simpler than that.
You had to load up your own mp3.
You would just drop in a track and listen to it, and it had a great equalizer.
It had lots of skins.
Sure.
So many skins.
Yeah, the skins.
You'd have people just making skins.
I made so many skins.
I made no skins, but I downloaded a lot of fucking sick skins.
A lot of Dashboard Confessional skins.
Yeah, yeah.
Chris Carraba just singing.
A lot of Goldfinger skins.
Wonderful.
That was my impression of Stephen Crowder doing an impression of Chris Carrabba.
Oh, he does love Chris Carrabba.
I forgot about that.
He's a big fan.
That right?
He has a Bernie Sanders parody of Screaming Infidelities?
Well, it's pretty cool.
Okay.
And then, you know, Dennis, you came over because I wanted to start a band, and you wanted to learn an instrument, and I was a guitar player at that time.
I made you play bass, which is a mean thing to do.
No, it's good.
It's fine.
I sucked a lot of it, so it's fine.
I got better.
And then you got really good at guitar, better than me.
Really?
No, I got acceptable at guitar.
You could play Breakdown by Tantric.
That's all you need to know.
That's all you need to play.
True.
That's how you level up.
And then we started a band playing around town and some out-of-towners came to play with us.
Yeah?
And that was actually the first time I met Jared.
Yeah, that's right.
Jared had a different band.
We didn't quite hit it off though.
No?
Uh-uh.
Okay.
No, I remember our bands both covered the same song by Screeching Weasel.
Screeching Weasel, yeah.
In the same set?
Yeah, they covered it and then we covered it.
You went second?
Yeah.
And you still played it?
It's kind of a weird choice.
What was the Screeching Weasels song?
Girl Next Door maybe?
I knew it because Blink-182 covered it, but Jared I think is a real Screeching Weasels fan.
Listen, so they had been playing that song before I had joined the band, but it was for the same reason that you were covering it, because Blink-182 had been covering it.
We also played Hope by Descendants.
For the same reason.
And occasionally we would go hope into Girl Next Door.
When you guys played it, us Great Falls kids were like, wait a minute.
And so we, we jumped in, we started a pit for you guys.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
And we were, we were really, really getting into it.
And wouldn't you know it, there were some watching eyes on us.
Who was that?
First of all, you were sarcastically slam-dancing, and that sucked.
Sarcastically slam-dancing is still slam-dancing.
My father just so happened to be there, filming it with a video camera.
So your agent?
Much like Pops Crowder, my father.
Well, I guess Jared, you shouted something about us not being punk rock.
I don't know.
Is that right?
Did I say that?
Yeah, because then my dad said, you wouldn't know real punk rock or something like that.
And you and my father get in a bit of a shouting match that ends with, and correct me if I'm wrong, my father being ejected from the venue.
What?
Yeah, you don't remember that?
No.
Was this at a show we played?
Was I there?
It was at a venue called Area 5.
Yeah.
That's how I remember all of it.
I bet that I probably said something stupid about how you're not punk rock because we're the most punk rock.
I had a mohawk for Christ's sake.
It was more punk rock.
I think you also made fun of the fact that we had wireless guitar systems.
Yeah, that's not punk rock at all.
Cables are punk rock.
Wireless is not punk rock.
That's true.
Did you flip the guitars ever?
I probably did a guitar trick at that show.
I was a really big fan of that.
Probably.
And you know, honestly, I bet you're busy making fun in the pit.
You couldn't see my flashy tricks.
So is that when we decided to start doing political podcasts?
No, it keeps moving forward though.
It's like you and I, I mean, we continue to play music for a long time.
You taught yourself recording And you shared that information with me.
Eventually, years later, Dennis and I started a commie podcast, maybe like, I don't know, how many years back now?
Ten years.
Ten years?
At least ten years.
We did that for- It's been over a decade!
Yeah, yeah.
Oh god.
We did that for a long time.
I went on to continue podcasting, currently still do host a horror podcast where we talk about cryptids, conspiracies, aliens, true crime.
Within that, we started doing a Twitch stream.
Yeah, and I brought in Jared and Dennis, called Casual Fright Day, which is like a more... It's a goofy... The high strangeness stories of the week.
The goofy weird.
We're looking at a lot of, uh, New Zealand true crime.
That's true!
Lots of, lots of, uh, Micah Sheboygan.
Lots of, lots of squatchin'.
And then part of that was our fascination with politics, like Hillary Clinton lost the election.
I kind of, that was my political awakening.
Bernie Sanders ignited my fire when he got interrupted by BLM in Seattle and he let them speak.
It's wonderful stuff.
I was reading like Michael Moore in middle school because I thought it was cool.
Edgy that guy I was reading that and then I was also reading Mick Foley's have a nice day.
So, okay.
Nothing's really changed for me I'm just saying but inside of our twitch stream week started a shift Where we talked more and more about politics and specifically right-wing content.
Yeah, I I think that we we might not be the best equipped people to talk about these things Mm-hmm, but we I think that we have a genuine kind of real-world interest in it Yeah, I think that we are layman's layman.
We are normal people.
It's like that French film Like Les Miserables.
Yes, exactly.
That's what we are.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I think they were just we're normal people who have an interest in it Yeah.
But real question, those people who reached out, who the fuck are you, man?
They're nice people.
Drop the comments.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
No, they're great people.
They were just curious.
Yeah.
Who the fuck are you?
I don't know why you're talking to them.
That's like one thing from today's episode that we can really drive home is that Steven wants the comments.
Please comment down below.
He has a little stinger.
He has a little magic little ringer.
A little ding.
Yeah.
Every time.
It happens like 12 times.
Is it like a pop-up on the screen?
He has a lot of- It is.
It's an overlay.
Yeah.
Okay.
But I guess on that note, yeah, if you have any questions for us, let us know.
Reach out to us on social media.
I think louderthancrowder at gmail.com is our email address.
You'll get to know us.
Just be patient.
Be patient.
We're building a website and things.
We have a bio section with our theme songs in it and like our heights and weights.
We're not funded by big podcasting.
That's true.
We have no money, and we're just eventually putting things on the internet.
Speaking of things on the internet, why don't we listen to this week's edition of Stephen Takes TikTok Seriously.
Okay.
This guy claims that conservatives are hypocrites for treading, that's the word of the day, on people of color and the LGBTQ piece.
Alright, I should explain real quick before we jump into that.
The clip is displaying text below identifying who's saying what in the conversation.
The first saying that statement is a conservative, then responding is a POC followed by an LGBTQ person.
The government has no right to take my rights away.
That's why I fly this flag that says don't tread on me.
That's snatching your nose ring.
Conservative.
You know, I get it.
I see where you're coming from.
In that case, don't tread on me.
Yeah, don't tread on me either.
I'm a LGBTQ person.
The thing is, we can still tread on you.
You just can't tread on us.
Yeah, I think that's where the confusion lies.
Ah!
Down syndrome Charlie Hunnam does the old reverse psychology.
Oh no.
You almost got us there for a second.
Oh wait, so you're saying, hold on a second, you're saying that we're treading on you!
Ah, yes.
Oh.
That sounds like more of an invite.
First of all, the homo thing was a, that's a, that's a sound clip.
Yeah.
For some reason I thought it was in the Tik Tok, but they, they, they're just playing it.
They have a soundboard.
Yeah.
That's one of their, their buttons.
One of their stings.
That is so smart.
I've never heard that.
It's a really funny joke.
It's really funny.
And, uh, it sounds a lot like hypocrisy, of course.
I think this is the argument they'll always try and use, right?
Oh, you're for limited government until it comes to a woman's body.
So the woman has 20 fingers, 20 toes?
No, no, I'm for limited government.
You don't believe that I should choose what car I drive.
You don't believe that I should choose what size of convenience beverage I pick up at the 7-Eleven.
You don't believe that I should have a choice as it relates to school.
So they always say, oh, you're for choice until, or they'll say, oh, well, you don't want to be treaded on until, but you have a problem with these people, what, burning down stores?
What happened to the First Amendment?
Let's go down this list.
How far down the slope are we?
I'm really lost.
Hang on, Dennis.
This is shoots and ladders.
Just grab my hand.
We're pulling you back up to the top.
All right, great.
Okay, cool.
So off the top here.
Now, women's bodies, the government, of course, fetuses are protected, you know, because they have social security numbers.
So he's saying that because women want bodily autonomy, he should be able to have all the What actually he said was, do they have 20 fingers and 20 toes?
What does that mean?
He's implying that women... That because the baby has fingers and toes?
The baby has rights, is what he's saying.
Okay, okay.
That's what he's saying.
Yeah, okay.
I genuinely didn't catch that because I was like, what is he talking about?
It's such a weird way to phrase it.
It is a weird way to phrase it.
Yeah, okay, now it's starting to make more sense, but it's like, you really had to donk me over the head with a hammer to see that one.
Sure.
And of course he's talking about regulation involving electric vehicles.
We're being fairly ambitious about that.
What about the convenience beverage?
Oh, well that was that thing in New York City where they were limiting the size of sodas.
Sugar tax.
So here's what I'll say.
A woman's right to bodily autonomy is very different than somebody's rights to own an electric vehicle.
Just very, very different.
No, it's the same thing.
Very, very different.
And also, I will say... Tell me otherwise.
I will say this, that if somebody says, I want to do a hate speech, and we say we are not going to tolerate that, and then they're going to say, oh I thought you were the tolerant left.
Sure.
There's a paradox here when it comes to tolerating intolerance.
Yeah.
Right?
You can't tolerate intolerance because then you're actually just allowing intolerance all the time.
I don't know how to describe it very well.
It's a paradox.
It is a paradox, but I mean each right that we have can have its own conversation.
We don't need to treat it as one thing changing affects all other things changing.
It's just not like that, right?
Like we can vote on issues and we can vote on people who support certain issues without just having this like weird blanket idea that if we allow women to have abortions that the next thing is that men can't wear jeans or something.
Sure.
You know what I mean?
Well, but Dennis, what's one right that's being infringed currently within the LGBTQ community?
I bet you can't name a single one.
Tons?
One right!
Which is being tread upon.
One.
In the LGBTQ plus community.
One.
Oh, sports!
No, no.
It's not a right to compete in any division you want.
Bathroom!
It's not a right for a heavyweight to compete with wealthier weights.
It's not a right for a biological man to compete with women.
It's not a right to buy soda.
Uh, yeah.
Taking a dump at Target.
Well, you already have that one, but that's not necessarily a right.
They can refuse service for whatever they want.
Uh, uh, children getting... Oh, no, no, no.
Hold on a second.
That's not a right.
We're talking about parental rights.
You're infringing upon parental rights.
They have the right to determine what medication goes into their child's body.
Unless you're in Canada.
Right, unless you're in Canada.
Name me one right.
Can anyone out there, you know what, even just play devil's advocate.
One right that is afforded to heterosexual, heteronormative, we'll just go with normal people, that you don't enjoy.
One.
I mean, there's a lot.
I was trying to look for individual examples, but every state actively has legislation up for limiting the rights of transgender and LGBTQ folks.
Yes, and here's what I'll say.
This reminds me a lot of my old buddy who used to say, racism is illegal now, so racism is gone.
Like, we made it illegal, there's nothing else that we can do.
You can say my name.
Currently, there's no federal laws that explicitly prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity, like in employment, housing, things like that.
Yeah, but it doesn't, it's not that simple.
It's not as simple as show me on the legal law where people aren't allowed to do things.
In many states, there are laws that are affecting only LGBT people.
Here in Montana we have the anti-drag show and public bill thing that was, I don't know the status on it right now.
I can't remember, yeah.
I believe it passed, but no government money can be spent if it's like at a school or something like that.
It's very light and very like, okay well this wasn't happening already.
So if you were just trying to protect that, then that's what happened.
I believe the person who put that forward was this literal child named Braxton Mitchell or something like that.
Oh, you really want to out a child?
He's not a child.
No, he's not a child, but his dad bought his... House representatives.
Oh.
Apologies for not being familiar with Braxton.
That is forever a boy's name.
He's the guy who they asked him to read a part of his bill on the floor and he couldn't.
He said whatever word that is.
Fuck.
So he says for the word areola he didn't know the word areola I mean tons of religious exemptions access to health care is always at risk housing conversion therapy is still legal in some states I mean, right to marriage is obviously up in the air in a lot of places now, and honestly, like, a lot of the rights are going to be broadly written in a way that somebody like Steven could say, this applies to everybody, when it clearly is meant to specifically focus on a certain type of person.
Look at Don't Say Gay in Florida.
Yes.
It's pretty obvious what the purpose of that is.
Yeah, but nothing's happening to these people, and you can't point to anything specifically.
Not even one thing!
And I'll say that these emboldened ideas and these conversations around these have impacts on real people's lives, right?
Like, think about... I'll say this.
I went to the Pride Parade last year, and I went this year.
Last year, I felt totally normal.
This year, I was worried that there was going to be some type of violent outburst at the Pride Rally from somebody.
Why do you think that is?
Well, I mean, it's just because, you know, certain people are making other people really riled up for really no reason.
It's all this Gadsden flag.
We'll get there.
So as they continue down this slope of conversation about rights, Brian Callan, comedian, of course, he came out to his theme music, I'm Too Sexy, for my shirt, of course.
By Rights Head Fred?
That's correct, and they are not good people, by the way.
No?
They aren't.
We'll get into that one of these days, on like an off week, I'll dive into those folks.
You know, Brian tackles sloppily a case that I had no idea about until he brought it up.
Okay.
You can't claim you're a woman and join a sorority and walk around with a massive boner.
That's a giant guy, by the way.
This is a boner, but I'm a gal, so I got a girl boner, and that's not the same as a guy boner.
He's 6'2", 260.
Yeah, that's not threatening at all.
That's super safe.
I'm not kidding.
I think I'm within 5 or 10 pounds.
It's a girl boner.
How's college going, honey?
I'm running away from a giant man with a boner, but he's a girl.
Chaos!
Chaos.
Well, he has a boner, but was it that time of month?
Was he having his period at the same time?
Maybe it was messing with his head.
How do you know he's a man?
Well, when a man chases me out of the woman's locker room with a raging erection and a butcher's knife, I figure he's not in the Old Elk's lodge.
I feel like I almost should have put a content warning on that.
That was just a string of really hateful things that I would have, like as someone who knew Brian Callen's comedy a couple years ago, wouldn't have expected that to come out of his mouth.
Is this about something?
It sounds...
Also very, like, clunky when it comes out of his mouth.
Like, I'm not sure that he knows how to speak to this on the level of his ears.
Well, it sounds like he's a kid learning how to swear.
Sure.
Yeah, right, exactly.
And that's kind of what this is.
Well, they're talking about a recent case of a transgender sorority member at the University of Washington chapter of Kappa Kappa Gamma.
Okay.
Artemis Langford is the name of the person.
And they were kind of being accused of not being trans enough, lurking and gawking and getting an erection.
Several times but specifically in one encounter at a sleepover Okay They said quote Kappa Kappa Gamma limits membership to women only under their sororities bylaws every new member must be a quote Woman a woman is an adult human female an adult human male is not a woman No matter how he chooses to describe himself and they said who's this that was a representative of Kappa Kappa Gamma of the sorority So this person is no longer in the sorority Well, recently, on Friday, August 26th, a federal judge in Wyoming dismissed a lawsuit that was brought against them by members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma Sorority, trying to have them removed from the Greek Life Organization.
Gotcha.
And they said a ton of really awful stuff.
It seems like a really terrible experience for Artemis to have to gone through.
I guess basically what it what it came down to is someone in the sleepover was changing their shirt by facing away and when they turned back they saw what they thought was an erection.
It was just one person that said this and it seems like it was just a drunken misunderstanding that like spiraled out of control and ruined this person's life potentially.
So I think when I hear these and other similar arguments about trans people, so many people seem to think that it's like people are doing this because of some weird sexual desire.
They're clearly implying that this person's, like, wanting to do this so that they can be around women and see naked women and yadda yadda yadda.
And they're getting sexual gratification by making people uncomfortable.
To say that this person is chasing sorority sisters out of the building with an erection, like... Well, they also mentioned a knife?
Were they talking about an erection?
It's misleading and it's disgusting and it's doing nothing but demonizing trans people.
I don't think they care.
That's what they mean to do though.
Yeah.
Like, spoiler alert, this whole fucking episode, everything comes back to trans people.
They figure out how to blame everything on trans people in this episode.
I wasn't expecting this to necessarily go off the rails like this quickly into this sort of like tirade, gross bullshit that, you know, whatever they're talking about here, this, the raging boners, the girl boners and stuff.
And it's just like, Shut the fuck up, man.
These are the only people that are this obsessed with this shit, but then, like, to drive it home that everything comes down to this as the problem.
The core problem.
The bone-chilling devastation that is sweeping the nation.
I understand that there's probably real conversations to be had about some things, like trans people in sports.
Sure.
I think there's real conversations to be had there and to learn about things, right?
When you use things like this, it just shows how bad faith all of your arguments are.
If somebody were to have this kind of conversation with me, I would just know, no matter what we discuss, we can take none of this seriously with you.
That's how I feel about it.
Because it's in bad faith.
Yeah.
It's all just bad faith argument.
Especially that it's like, if this has already been thrown out in front of a court, like it was this bad that it had to go to a court anyway, but that ultimately they got rid of it as a case, you know, as this sort of like, Update yourself on your own jokes here, I guess.
Well, Jared, that's because it was a left-wing court.
That's true.
Okay.
Trans women are treading on the rights of our teenage and young daughters.
I also want to say, too, this TikTok that sparked this whole... Yeah, what the fuck?
Transgression on trans people.
It's so fucking weird, like, why are you going down this?
And he says, conservatives say, don't tread on me.
Yeah.
And the trans and POC say, yeah, good point.
Also, don't tread on us.
And the conservative says, yes, we will tread on you, though, because, you know, obviously we're trad and you're doing things that are against the church.
And Crowder refers to this as reverse psychology.
He does.
What are you hearing?
I'm not hearing.
I don't understand.
This is a group of people all agreeing with each other.
And that has been this week's edition of Steven takes TikTok way too seriously.
Jesus Christ.
Wow.
So, we talked a bit at the beginning, we're all punk style folks.
Did you have any patches on your backpacks or jackets?
I'm the most poser punk, dude.
Yeah, what do you mean?
I had a battle jacket.
I put stupid stickers on things, but it was like, I looked up punk and did that.
I was just a poser.
I had a pink mohawk, as we had mentioned previously.
I had a battle jacket with the patches.
If you saw the patches that were on there, you'd be like, you're actually a poser.
Like Rancid ain't that hard, bro.
I had to pack the Supreme Court backpack.
Did you understand that back then?
No!
Twelve-year-old Colorado Springs student, okay, he was removed from class for displaying, he had this flag, right, on his backpack.
Now, you've heard the story, but the reason that he was removed from class, because some of you, again, maybe too close, right, maybe too close to the forest, that whole thing, Hey, do you guys consider yourself left?
because he had the flag it's just because she's a liberal no no it's not because the teacher's a
liberal though that too it's because the left now wants you to believe that this flag and it's
completely incorrect we'll get into the history represents slavery hey all a do you guys consider
yourself left leftists yeah guys yeah i think so and so we what we want this mother fucker to know
right fucking now this fucking flag right here this is a slave flag my dude and if you're if
you're a 12 year old you're caught wearing this shit we're gonna make sure you get a bad education
Well, I'm gonna take it right away from you piece of shit We might need to pump the brakes a bit Jared.
Okay.
Okay.
Hang on.
I kind of do have to give it to Steven here I think that the Vanguard School did kind of blow it with their reasoning and rationale around.
They did big time, but I also, this is a charter school.
I feel like that's kind of the reason that they're so pro-charter schools, so people can say and do things that they want to say and do, right?
Is this that school?
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Well, last week, do you remember that Steven went in on teachers and he said, you know, fuck those assholes.
They get three months off and like, they're not heroes.
He fart-noised them, thumbs-downed them.
He's going to be a homeschool advocate next.
Why does that 12-year-old kid have a flag like that?
I'm not saying... We're just getting started.
I'm not saying that, like, that what happened was appropriate, you know?
Sure.
Because I think that people should be able to wear those things.
I want kids to be kids.
Well, let's figure that out.
Okay.
This is the the mother of Jaden Rodriguez, and she recorded this whole encounter with the vice-principal.
Do they know what the Gadsden flag is?
That it's a historical flag?
Can you just pass me a note?
So there, the reason that they do not What's your origin story?
Dad never hugged you enough?
Due to its origins with slavery and slavery.
What's your origin story? Dad never hugged you enough?
So funny.
I see the kid looking like, what?
The guy said what? The don't tread on me.
Hmm.
She's a real expert on origin stories.
Yeah.
I guess he's got one.
Stephen Goddard, dude.
And I got to say, dear fellow listener, this is Stephen fucking Goddard, okay?
Like, we're not going to make that big of a deal about it, but we are going to point it out.
Stephen fucking Goddard, dude.
In this case, Stephen Goddard.
Sorry, Charlie.
Also, what kind of mother starts filming an interaction like this?
Sovereign citizen mom.
Well, and a big spoiler alert, I really tried hard to dig into this mother because I felt like it would make more sense for me to focus on her, not a fucking little kid.
It says a lot that a mom like this would whip out a cell phone in this type of encounter.
I guess.
I mean, it's obviously, it's a political encounter and... This is the move of the snake flag.
This is the move with the snake flag, and let's keep traveling down this road.
Yeah, yeah.
Talk about traveling down the road, and if they ask you for any kind of registration or ID... I'm traveling, I'm not driving.
I don't need a license.
Didn't let her off the hook.
Hats off to her.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with slavery.
That's like the revolutionary war patch that was displayed when they were fighting the British.
Okay, okay.
That's the revolution.
Maybe you're thinking of, like, the...
Confederate pen?
Confederate pen?
I am here to enforce the policy that was provided by the district, and definitely you have every right to not agree with it.
Yeah, and I mean, we teach him to always stick up for your beliefs, and I mean, you're going over the revolution for 7th grade.
I mean, the founding fathers stood up for what they believed in.
It's unjust laws.
This is unjust.
Yeah, we've never seen that with every villain lackey in a film.
I was just doing my job!
Just following orders?
So am I!
Figuratively.
Nice.
Am I being detained?
So here's what I'll say about that comment from her saying, I'm just doing my job.
She's just trying to get through that interaction with that lady.
Oh, of course.
Like, she's not defending herself in court.
She's just like, how do I get this fucking lady out of my office?
Sure.
Because I had to get this boy out of my class for whatever stupid rule I had to fucking follow.
Well, it was an encounter where... The charter school was told to have the parents remove it, and the assistant principal also told the Colorado Springs Gazette, Vanguard has zero tolerance on racial issues and takes these concerns very seriously.
Like my straight bangs.
There's a lot of different circumstances that our code of conduct handles nicely when then we decide upon a consequence.
We always, always try to make our consequence a learning experience beneficial for the students.
I don't know what exactly the response was from the school, but it seems like they've adjusted their slavery concern claim.
I said slavery.
I said slavery.
And they just stated that it was used by some hate groups, which it is.
So in my opinion, it's kind of inappropriate to have on your backpack.
Okay.
You know, one thing that this mom, wearing the patch is not a crime.
A crime requires an injured party.
That's what you should have said to her.
Sure.
Well, I did have time to listen to an interview with this child, which I admittedly, I do feel a little bit weird about because he's like 12 or 13.
Can I ask a couple questions before we get into it?
Yeah, of course.
Is he mentioned in the interview that maybe he's like a Black Album Metallica fan?
Maybe he's just getting into it.
He's 12.
That kind of makes sense.
No, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like he's that cool.
Okay.
But he is in good hands with this interviewer, so I think it's all right.
It's time to jump away from Louder with Crowder to another program hosted by Stevens First Entertainment.
Okay, so they were having a problem with my patches.
Originally, a teacher complained.
They're keeping the identity of that teacher.
How did this go down?
Okay, so they were having a problem with my patches.
Originally, a teacher complained.
They're keeping the identity of that teacher.
You got it.
They're not telling me the identity of it.
And she complained to the administration, and they said I had to take it off, or no, I could not go back to class.
Which is crazy.
And I'm like, why?
It's the American symbol.
That was crazy.
And so, I just missed out on a ridiculous amount of class, all because of a gas flag.
They said it was associated with slavery?
No.
It was a warning to the British not to tread on our rights.
So.
So let's talk.
First of all, it seems like you may not need to go to class.
You might know more than your teachers.
It seems like that might be a real possibility.
Ben Shapiro, everybody.
Ben Shapiro.
He's so fucking cool.
That voice is so like.
Music to my ears, wet ass P word.
Wet ass P word.
I understand.
I think that this is an opportunity a lot of the right jumped on.
He was a guest on Charlie Kirk's show as well, but I don't want to hear Charlie Kirk.
No, you got to look at him if you're going to listen to him.
To say that this, this is a symbol, a warning to the British during the Revolutionary War.
That makes sense, right?
That's how it originated.
Because that was when it was used.
That was the context in which it was used.
But why would you wear that now?
Yeah, the British are still coming.
They're coming back.
They're just waiting.
His boy from the MCU, Chris Pratt, he's been seen wearing it often.
And people love Star-Lord, dude.
They love that Thanos thing.
They honestly love Star-Lord.
And they love the talking raccoon.
They love it.
What was going through your head while you were hearing the administration explain why it was so terrible for you to be wearing a patch with the Gadsden flag on it?
I was trying not to laugh because I don't know what they're talking about at all.
It's a revolutionary flag.
Like, it has nothing to do with slavery.
I mean, Christopher Gadsden, I'm sure he owned slaves, but just because he owned slaves, it was meant a warning sign not to tread on our rights in the revolution,
which is funny because they tried to tread on my rights and then they found out that you're not.
Can we just do his logic?
Like say, well, if Gadsden owned slaves, then doesn't this make it a slave flag?
It's a great point, Jared.
I understand what he's saying.
I don't have to be obtuse, but like... Well, it goes deeper than that, actually.
I might as well do it myself.
I just, it's funny how he defends it because it's like, I told my teacher to fuck off and she told me to fuck off, but that's kind of weird because I told her to fuck off first, so it's like a catch-22.
Sure.
I mean, that's kind of what he's saying.
Yeah, I mean, has anyone asked this kid why he had that flag on his bag in the first place?
I think you'll understand that.
Well, I just think about like when it, we're talking about our stupid patches.
That's a question no one's really asking, is like, why?
What's it represent to him?
I see what they're doing.
I went to an Iraq War protest and I knew fucking nothing about the Iraq War.
Sure.
I just didn't know, that's why I did those things.
Yeah.
I see that you're running for office in school council.
How's that run going, first of all?
It must be upsetting that the deep state at your school is apparently out to get you by targeting you.
And so, how are your friends reacting to all of this?
Well, yesterday they didn't know that it went viral, because you're not.
But now, like, kids are proposing to put Gaz and Flack on their walker.
I'm sure to win it by a landslide.
My friend said that people were texting her screenshots of the post and like saying, OMG, our school is going viral.
6.8 million views is crazy.
So yeah, I'm definitely Mr. Popular at my school.
That is awesome.
His platform of cookies for lunch and no homework is going totally viral.
And also, Second Amendment rights in school, of course.
Bring your guns in, don't tread on us.
This bums me out because they're just sealing in this kid's lust for attention.
I think you're understanding more and more about, like, his true intentions behind this, and I think that they're not his.
No.
Kids don't need to worry about their rights being treaded on.
That's what their parents should be worrying about.
Parents should be teaching their kids not to worry about that, because they're kids.
And the parents should be able to be like, hey, listen, like, this isn't for you to worry about, man.
Worry about your school, worry about learning the things you need to know in life to be successful in life.
Let me fight for your rights, and you can fight for your right to party.
Apparently there's a second patch that now they're upset with, right?
It sounds like they backed down off the Gadsden flag patch, but you have a gun rights patch also.
And that one, I understand they're saying you still can't wear to school.
Is that the case?
Uh, that's the FPC one, you know, Firearms Policy Coalition?
They're a group of lawyers that fight for the Second Amendment, right?
And no, it contains a weapon, which they, I think there was a post about it, and I can't allow it due to the district policy.
But the thing is, Unless there's a rule that says no patches at all, then yeah, their rule would be fair.
That's coming, man.
The first amendment clearly states freedom of speech.
There's kids with pride pins and the teachers don't say a thing.
But I wear a Gadsden flag and it's the end of the world.
Wait, I'm sorry, what was the last thing he said?
The last thing was he said that students wear LGBTQ pride patches and no one cares, but when he wears his gun patch and his Don't Tread On Me patch, it's the end of the world.
Equating those to be all the same thing.
Here's a close-up of his backpack, by the way.
Don't Tread On Me patch.
There's this St.
Michael patch, which is like a religious protection patch thing.
I looked it up at one point.
And then here's the Dogecoin dog.
Yeah, yeah.
So.
Bare arms and Bitcoin 2020.
That's so cool.
So he's a big Elon head, too.
Yeah, what was the Saint Michael Protexus?
I don't know.
Michael the Archangel defended us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him and humbly pray and do thou.
Yeah, I don't believe in any of that.
Sure.
Assist people at the hour of their death.
Mm-hmm.
When we were 12, we were playing fucking Winamp noises backwards.
Exactly.
And this kid is like, no, I need to worry about my rights.
I'm worried about these lawyers talking about guns.
No guns on clothing seems like a fair thing to say as part of a charter school.
A lot of other schools have far more extreme dress codes.
I remember, you know what?
As a former Screamo frontman, before that I was just an emo kid with a gun belt buckle and I went on a cruise ship and they wouldn't let me have this gun belt buckle.
So they took it, and I had to sag around that ship until I was able to get off and go- Dude, you're going on viral right now.
Shut up, you're right!
Just so you know, Byron would have been the next president if he would have just- If I only would have been upset and been politically aware.
Thanks a lot, mom.
And speaking of moms... After you answer that, I also want to know what your future political ambitions are, because Colorado is turning blue, and you might be able to turn it back red.
He's fucking 12, Ben.
It'll be hard, but yeah, I'm sure I can do that.
We're gonna start a GoFundMe, and maybe, yeah, the keywords would probably be like, funded Jaden.
Give, send, go, probably.
Give, send, go.
Correction.
Put them in the right direction.
They could go to the website, and they'd probably use GoFundMe.
Just type in Gaz and Flag, Jaden, keywords.
We're getting on that.
This is all so new.
My mom.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Trying to get that paycheck, mama.
Ah, so there's the mom, and I think that she's very well the source of all of this.
Yes.
She's the one that filmed it, and she's the one who hasn't quite set up a give-send-go yet.
She hasn't set it up?
Let's set it up really quick and just harvest all the money!
That's a great idea, point it in the right direction.
Yeah, let's get it all right here.
We'll pretend that we're actually going to help this kid, but we're not.
We're just going to pump it all into louderthancrowder.com.
It seems like that's illegal, actually.
I don't think it is.
No, it's fine.
Don't tread on me, Byron!
Fuck you, man!
Well, let me ask, where did your politics come from?
Because you're obviously very knowledgeable, you know a lot of things about American history.
How did you get so political?
So many things about American history.
He knows a lot about the specific thing that he's being told to talk about.
I give it all to my mom, because the parents really matter when it comes to a child growing up.
And my mom just slacked off, said, yeah, go play video games.
I don't care.
I have no access to social media, no internet.
So I give it that.
Most kids in my school, they Have odd thoughts, they're pansexual, but also they have TikTok, so go figure.
Most kids are TikTok pansexual.
I gave it mainly to Conor Boyack with his cuddle twins.
I read those growing up and that really, really helped me.
And now I have a good understanding of America and like, it talks about inflation and all sorts of key concepts that someone should know.
So I give it to my mom and Connor Boyack for my knowledge of knowing more than the average teacher.
The Tuttle Twins and Connor Boyack.
So apparently they teach young children the important values that schools won't.
Economics, civics, philosophy, and more.
I wonder what the more is.
Yeah, I'm curious.
Probably how to make pretzels.
Here's a meme that says the Federal Reserve is a Ponzi scheme that prints money out of thin air and loans it to us with interest.
This is on the Tuttle Twins On their Twitter.
This is like cool libertarian stuff.
Yeah, I don't know too much about this or Connor.
And honestly, like I said, I don't know anything about his mom.
Are your kids being brainwashed?
Let us brainwash them for you.
Yes, that's the first thing that's stated on the Tuttle Twins.
Ooh, there's a spin to win, dude.
I bet you're gonna win.
I guarantee you're gonna win.
I can win up to 40% off the children's series?
I bet you do.
It'll pop up again, don't worry.
That's where this family learned most of what they taught their children.
The law?
Is this like the Berenstain or Steen Berens?
So here's what I'm just gonna say is that you you cannot be against supposed LGBT propaganda when you're doing stuff like this and be okay with this because this is clearly propaganda and Effective propaganda.
And it is!
And here's the thing, I would, I'm a food truck fiasco, get this one, I have a truck.
Disruptive businesses must fight against their crony competitors, the ones with friends in government who try and protect them from innovative upstarts.
He doesn't have an understanding of America, and that's fine.
He's 12 years old.
If he reads that book and thinks he understands it, he should go and read a book from the other folks.
Sure.
That's what he should do.
Just like everyone who reads a book, My Shadow is Purple, should go read some other Book.
Read them all.
Are you suggesting that this child go read pornography?
Yes, I am.
Absolutely.
Because that's exactly the opposite of that.
I mean, you never know.
You never know.
He might learn a lot about economics.
I bet there's a don't tread on me in porn somewhere.
Typical Lib shit.
I'm hoping that we don't have to jump back to Ben Shapiro for a while.
We are.
I bet the next one is Ben Shapiro.
I do want to teach y'all... Teach me.
I want to teach y'all about history.
Okay.
Thank you.
In this case, it's largely a lie, but I can understand some context if they want to say that at one point it was adopted.
Okay, fine.
It was co-opted, sure.
But the history of this flag, no, it's not meant in any way to be supportive of slavery.
I'll get to that a little bit.
But also, this is the truth.
These guys were out there, I guess, waving the slavery flag.
That's the claim they want you to believe.
Here's the truth.
And Gerald, you're a history buff.
I am a little bit of a history buff.
It's actually tied to civil liberties with the origin in the Revolutionary War.
I kind of, civil liberties.
I did a little bit of a Joe Biden there.
And that's okay.
I do it too.
So what was happening is that Great Britain was sending over prisoners.
Does it sound like Australia to anybody else?
It was basically being used as a penal colony.
We passed some laws in the States that said you couldn't do that.
They did that for about, I don't know, 40 or 50 years.
They said, okay.
Then they came back and started shipping prisoners back over.
and they were starting to commit crimes at a really high rate. Sanctuary cities as well?
This seems like a very familiar pattern to history and what they said is, hey we have...
When you say there you mean...
They meaning Great Britain sending them over to the colonies basically just to piss off the colonies.
And they said, you know what we have a lot of here?
Rattlesnakes.
They don't have those in Great Britain.
Maybe we should send those over to Great Britain and put them in the gardens where the Prime Minister and all the Lords and everybody else walks and they'll learn to kind of tread lightly in those areas.
And so that's where the don't tread on me thing actually came from.
So rattlesnakes began to symbolize... Benjamin Franklin.
Right, it began to symbolize Great Britain and oppression.
And we all know kind of the loose story surrounding the Gadsden flag.
If you don't, in 1754, Benjamin Franklin, who he was a publisher of a periodical, he posted a... posted?
Oh my god.
He posted.
Published a satirical... He was kind of posting.
He put it on his IG.
It was very early memeing, I guess.
Yeah, it was shitposting, for sure.
Satirical cartoons featuring the Snake Cundate pieces, each bearing the initials of one of the American colonies, basically saying that they needed to come together, join or die, urging the colonies to come together to fight the French and Indian War.
Yeah, because if you cut up the snake, the snake can't eat stuff.
Glue snake back together.
That's true, right?
Yeah, colonial unity.
This is what was supposedly the inspiration to Christopher Gadsden to design the flag in the late 1700s.
Okay.
The rattlesnake symbol gained recognition in 1778 when the Constitutional Congress adopted it as the seal for the War Office.
Okay.
You know, like the bald eagle.
It's a very specific to North America thing.
Sure.
And I think that that's where Gerald got this whole alternative history that I never heard about.
The only places I was able to see it was WeThePeopleHolsters.com, High Country News, and the American Flag Company, where you buy flags.
But the whole thing about the British sending prisoners to the United States and using it as a penal colony and us sending them back with snakes That wasn't really part of this story about the history of the Gadsden flag.
I have no idea what he's talking about, but I will say that symbols can be co-opted by other people and change their entire vibe, right?
Like, let's say there was a symbol, um, I don't know, like a swastika that meant really great things, and then some really bad people turned it diagonal and did really, really, really bad things, and now you can't really have that.
Well, and that's the interesting thing, is in this history lesson, they stop, they stop kind of short, and I pulled this from an article called The Disgraced Confederate History of the Don't Tread on Me Flag in the Washington Post.
Quote, Gadsden's flag took- So the liberal, liberal?
Basically.
Media, okay.
Unfortunately, Gadsden's flag took on new life on November 8, 1860, when the Young Men's Southern Rights Club in Savannah spread a banner across the Nathaniel Green Monument in Johnson Square.
On top of it read, quote, our motto, Southern Rights and the Equality of the States.
Beneath a rattlesnake twisted, the words don't tread on me.
So was Don't Tread on Me added then?
No, it existed before, but this is just in the mid-1800s.
The South decided to, of course, to also use this.
They brought it back.
This is, I guess, probably the second time it was brought back.
Sure.
Much like it was brought back several other times.
The American Tea Party.
Yeah.
Sarah Palin.
Exactly, but back then thousands gathered around the banner to cheer pro-secession speeches and in subsequent weeks they marched through Savannah with their own homemade variations.
And as news spread from Savannah, so did the usage.
It was used all over the South.
Confederates were even printing envelopes with the snake and the don't tread on me on it.
It wasn't the official flag, of course that's the Confederate flag, but it was a flag.
It wasn't being used by the Yankees up top.
They heard a bitchin' phrase.
Sure.
And they were like, that phrase kind of applies to the shit we're doing.
Uh-huh.
Let's use it.
Yep.
Here's what I'll say.
The history of a thing matters far less than the current connotation and usage of a thing.
But that's true.
And if it was in good faith, why wouldn't they keep walking through the history?
Why would they stop at the late 1700s?
Why wouldn't they talk about the use by the Confederate soldiers?
Well, so if the origin is all that matters here, why are they so anti-rainbow?
Great point!
Rainbow's beautiful.
Rainbow's beautiful?
God made it.
Made by God.
God made the rainbow when God made the sun and the light and the prisms and the stars.
The Gadsden rainbow flag was used in San Francisco in the 90s.
Is that true?
Yeah.
Wow.
It was for the queer nation and then again in 2016 it reappeared after the Pulse nightclub shooting.
Interesting, okay.
What it was like 49 people were killed and 50 people were wounded.
Yeah, one of the largest mass shootings I think it's Fuck man, that's crazy to think about.
But just to answer his question from earlier, who's treading on who here?
I don't see any of this going anyway.
So I think that society is treading on this kid's childhood.
The Gatson flag was also used in the Vegas terrorist attacks in 2014.
Oh, the murderers killed two cops and one other individual pedestrian, but they placed the Gadsden flag over one of the police after they killed him.
Really?
Wow.
Sounds like something a 12 year old should have in his backpack.
You were using the expression half-truth.
Things like this are actually anti-truths.
And what I mean by anti-truths is that they are trying to erase what's true about history.
And doing it in, because either they're ignorant or they're ideologues.
And that to me is, that's actually more dangerous and more destructive.
It is.
But she is unwilling to do any research as well.
So this parents, this is what you're facing.
He was there.
Yeah.
And he knows.
He talked to her himself.
She was unwilling.
Speaking of half-truths.
Yeah.
Anti-truths.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Yeah, this is half-truth.
We will tell you all of it.
This is our half-truth.
Yeah.
I'm not surprised that they would defend themselves and not, you know, I'm not surprised they would ignore the part that didn't benefit them.
I don't know.
We led by saying that the school was probably wrong in saying that it had slavery roots.
Like, that was the first thing we said about this.
Sure, and it doesn't have roots in slavery, it just has associations with it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, their correction was correct, saying that it is a symbol that has been co-opted by hate groups, so it probably shouldn't be on the backpack of a child in a middle school.
I just, I want this kid to be a kid.
I want this kid to be, like, playing fucking baseball.
He's caught up in the wrong things here.
This should just be that he saw Chris Pratt wearing it and he thought it looked cool.
That's cool.
But this is like, we're looking at this from like our lens where the last time that we saw this like prominently displayed was on January 6, 2021.
Sure.
You know, all of our fellow American yahoos out there on the fields.
Patriots.
22 years, speaking of.
But then these 12 year olds here seeing this as, does he see these guys as the insurrectionists?
Does he see them as like heroes?
I think he probably does see them as heroes.
I think he's joker-fied maybe a little bit by the beliefs of his parents.
We're right on the money on that I think.
I don't know man.
Anyway, is this flag racist?
Comment below.
I mean, that's the Gadsden backpack kid.
I hope that he doesn't become like the new Oliver Anthony.
Remember how these folks will take this kid and talk to this kid like he's an adult, but they'll make fart noises over Greta Thunberg?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Thumbs down.
How about we get this kid to hang out with the guy who invented the floss?
Backpack kid.
Wouldn't that be fun?
Or what about if we got him with Damn Daniel?
Damn Daniel, back at it again with the white fans.
I love that guy.
Yes, let's hook him up with some viral sensations.
Alright.
They decide to dedicate a large chunk of the show to saying that MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow, they dig into her saying that Trump may be a forever president if he's elected, like other world leaders in China, Russia, or North Korea.
Okay.
They're trying to scare you into the idea that if Donald Trump is elected he's going to, you know, become a Putin or going to become a Kim Jong-il or whichever one you prefer.
I don't like either.
Here is Rachel Maddow talking about this from yesterday.
The election means one of two things if this is the way he's going to approach it.
I'm surprised you cut out all the anti-trans stuff.
Either he loses the election and he goes to prison.
Just a full episode of that.
Or he wins the election, he doesn't go to prison, And is that for life?
That he gets to be president?
Will we keep having more elections?
Okay, pause.
There's an option number three.
Let's say he doesn't win the election and also doesn't go to prison.
See the half-truth?
Assuming guilt.
Assuming guilt.
This is someone who doesn't believe in due process.
You're innocent until proven guilty.
Keep all of that in mind.
What I love is that he didn't say that there's an option three.
Trump would never try and do that.
Sure.
I do agree Rachel was... Of course!
It's rage bait.
There is far more than two.
It's rage bait.
Yes, this is MSNBC.
Two things I'll say about this.
The fact that Steven Crowder did not say that Trump would not try and do that is pretty telling.
At least in this clip.
I haven't heard the whole thing.
It's out of context.
There's a lot of them.
The second thing, if Trump could do that, he would absolutely fucking do that.
Yeah.
Trump would be president for the rest of his life if he could.
Well, and everything isn't brute force, too.
There's tact involved.
I mean, I'm not implying that Trump would actually try to be president for life.
I think he would just because he's an egoist.
I don't know.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that he would do it because he's this evil man dedicated to taking over the world.
I think he's just an egotistical prick.
Yeah, I think that that's where he wants to keep winning.
Eventually, he would have to lose.
He would never quit.
He would just have to lose and he doesn't want to do that.
I don't think Trump quits or loses.
He just loses quietly and acts like it's not losing.
He's just waiting.
Waiting to join that Mar-a-Lago in the sky.
I was gonna say, I don't know why they're choosing this clip of Rachel Maddow to talk about, but we're literally talking about Steven Crowder the same way that he was going over her content.
No yeah of course but I so here's what's what's funny to me about this is that you can say I think Trump is guilty and also still believe in due process.
Sure.
Like you can you can do that.
I believe that he is guilty of a lot of shit.
But you're not willing to put him in jail without... Yeah let the justice system run its course.
Let the process run its course and if he gets shown as innocent I'll say oh I guess I was wrong.
You wouldn't say that so-and-so weaponized the justice system.
Yeah, I can listen to Rachel Maddow and say, oh, I'm listening to her opinion.
And this is fun.
And this is fun.
Because it is a fantasy.
I don't understand why anyone would be like, the news says Trump is guilty!
Yeah, well, let's just keep going.
Option number one, he wins and he doesn't go to prison.
Or option number two, he loses and he goes to prison.
That's not an assumed fact.
You're trying to say the only way he gets out of being convicted is if he somehow steals an election.
That's what you're trying to imply.
It's just, it's not accurate.
If every election is a new opportunity for him to go to prison, do you think he allows us to have new elections?
I mean, if those are the stakes, if winning the election is his plan... Hold on a second, pause.
Hold on a second.
If the stakes are, every single time, someone you don't like wins a presidency, and once they're out of office, you indict them, the rules have changed!
Just to be clear, this is unprecedented, certainly for the kind of bullshit that's been going on.
And I don't know if you know this, but what Barack Obama did to the Donald Trump campaign makes Watergate look like child's play.
I'm talking about the analogy here, not the film.
That's terrifying.
Does that kind of an election end with a graceful concession to a fair and square re-elected President Biden?
Already has.
Pause.
Does it end with you spying on your opponent's campaign as Barack Obama did?
Let's do a whole segment, by the way, on Barack.
I feel like people gloss over that.
It's not a conspiracy.
Barack Obama was spying on... I'm not talking about Russia collusion, just to be clear.
I'm talking about Barack Obama.
They were spying on the incoming president, Donald Trump, on his campaign.
What did Barack Obama do?
He had all those fecal things or something.
I don't know much about it.
Well, in 2017, Donald Trump made allegations that his camp had been, quote, wiretapped or spied on by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential election.
The allegations were pretty much, you know, based on tweets and statements by Trump, and there's never been any concrete evidence provided to support those claims at all.
Okay.
So then I'm assuming that Stephen allowed the due process to... Exactly.
...play out.
His belief has changed.
Is that what you're saying?
It's not so easy for Steve to change his mind.
He changes his mind?
Are you sure?
Well, in all of the years, in all of those episodes, I haven't seen him budge a bit, but multiple investigations conducted into all these allegations and even the Department of Justice Inspector General.
The corrupt department?
Well, I think it was under Trump, so I don't know, like they didn't find anything.
Yeah, I mean, I think when Trump tried to weaponize his justice system and his attorney generals and inspector generals still found nothing.
Man, it makes me so mad.
It makes me mad.
You can't say allow due process to go through and then also say that due process is a bunch of bullshit.
Well, that's what he's doing.
And she goes on, warning this is a little bit longer of a clip, so feel free to say pause if you, like, like Stephen did.
PAUSE!
PAUSE!
Enhance!
I mean, if Trump and his supporters see the stakes as losing and going to prison or winning and being president and probably president for life, how should we expect that he and the Republican Party and Republican officials in swing states are going to handle the conduct of that election that Trump may very well lose?
And because we are prone to forget, we have to say out loud that we would be remiss, we would be willfully naive to ask that question as if our politics exists in a vacuum.
Somewhere outside the rest of our news.
Find your words.
As if the politics pages are totally different than the crime pages, right?
As if we are not in a moment where far-right politics is coinciding with far-right violence.
With regular shows of force from paramilitary extreme right groups and with acts of violence by people who are explicitly and admittedly motivated by far-right eliminationist policies.
All right, hold on a second.
Pause this really quickly.
So there you go.
Was that the end of it, I guess?
Yes.
Okay, that's the end.
Well, hold on a second.
Let's go through this while you talk about pay.
And I'm going by rote here.
Again, you guys kind of see it.
It's like I don't really have a prompt or what I have is a map that tells me which clips we're about to run.
Going by rote, Black Lives Matter protests.
The last count we saw was $2 billion, but that was within the year of damage.
Damage has done thousands of casualties between officers and people, not to mention how many
deaths and entire towns and economies destroyed.
Now, we know you're saying, hold on a second, I don't know if Black Lives Matter, Inc. would
count as an organization considering that actual organization funds, which by the way
was a 501c3 registered publicly just to be clear, use those funds to buy multimillion
I think that would qualify as an organization.
Let's combine that with Antifa.
You're looking at thousands of casualties and billions of dollars in damages.
Name me one.
One right-wing paramilitary group that has inflicted that kind of damage on the American public.
You know what?
On the black community itself.
One.
Your turn.
go.
The facts don't matter.
The data doesn't lie because we don't look at it.
These are all the things that Crowder is doing here.
BLM and Antifa are responsible for $2 billion in damage.
Thousands of casualties.
See, that's the thing.
You have to assume that that's correct.
Not to mention how many deaths.
What does he even say?
Finding the facts on these things is not difficult.
He's running through his script and there's no way for us to fact-check all of these things because the episodes would be hours long.
How did we get here from Trump?
True.
Yeah, weird, huh?
How does anything get to anything around here?
Believe me, we're getting to trans stuff.
Well, we started, we didn't hear this, but he started off by calling Rachel Maddow like a trans man or something.
He did say that.
Yeah, and I mean, I feel like it might be unnecessary for me to highlight every, you know, slur or slight.
I agree.
Just that it like, it keeps coming back to these like... It's constant.
These one note... Michael Obama jokes.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you listen to Rachel Maddow?
Where'd your soul go?
I feel like your soul left your body.
Are you doing okay?
No, I'm not.
And no, I don't listen to Rachel Maddow.
Do you know anyone who does?
I actually don't.
Here's what I listen to, like Steven Crowder and Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro for.
I listen to them to hear the news that I'm supposed to be in support of, apparently.
Sure.
This is what you're saying as a leftist.
What I'm saying is like, uh, there's all these stories that I've never heard of or been worried about, but they're worried about them because I am silently absorbing this news from some other means, I guess?
And that's kind of the odd thing, too.
At the beginning of this story, they mention that Rachel Maddow's audience is smaller than his little fucking podcast.
He literally says that.
He's punching down.
He says, if we're going to compare apples to apples, the Mug Club does better than Maddow's shit.
And I'll be honest, most of Maddow's listeners is probably people like Steven Crowder who were just listening to it to be mad about stuff.
You should just listen to our show.
If you know someone like this, just direct them over here.
To discuss her point that he didn't feel like discussing.
She's saying if Trump's only means to stay out of prison, if he knows he's guilty, and his only means to stay out of prison is to be president and like prevent that via like executive actions and things of that nature, of course he's going to fight.
He's going to fight for his life.
For some reason he has people just like, they just fucking love him so much.
Um, if those people are going to fight for him, then of course they're going to do everything they can to make that happen, even if that means less than great means.
With Trump, the stakes are different.
Well, it certainly feels different.
It's unprecedented.
That's, and I think that, that's kind of all Matto's trying to say here is that like, we're, we're watching this unfold in real time and like, No one can look at the future and say this is definitely what's going to happen at this moment because we've never seen anything like this happen before.
So here's what I'll say to that.
People on the right, Jared, are going to say that it's unprecedented because it's the first time that justicism has been weaponized against the former president.
Someone tried to touch the tub drain on the swamp.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what they'll say.
And it's a very... It's a challenging thing to defend against because you're right to say, yeah, it's never happened before.
So there's two options here.
One, everyone's corrupt and they're all trying to take down Trump because they know that he's fighting for the poor man.
The man who has a literal gold toilet is fighting for the poor man.
That's option one.
Option two... Why'd he say that?
He might be guilty of doing some fucked up shit.
That's option two, right?
And there's a third option, apparently, where Trump doesn't go to prison.
What's the third option?
I don't remember.
Stephen will tell me.
No, he says it's a binary.
The left thing said it's either he wins, he doesn't go to jail, or B, he loses and he goes to jail.
That's the binary.
That's what Stephen says.
Yeah, of course.
That's how it works.
Real quick if I mean if we're talking hyperbole this is like a c-plus if we're comparing it to someone like Tucker Carlson who denies the election or is saying that there's weaponized COVID-19 or a handful of different things that are just so fucking mind-blowing in comparison to Rachel Madoff suggesting that maybe Trump would try to stay out of prison Trump's indictments are heavily backed by evidence, and the indictments are really misunderstood by a lot of people, and on the right they're being communicated in a way to drive misunderstanding.
I don't know how anybody can look at Trump and think that that guy is honest about anything for a second.
I could not, for a second, look at him and go, you know what, that guy gets me.
He understands what I'm talking about.
He understands what I'm going through.
You know, when his gold toilet gets clogged, that's just like when my toilet gets clogged.
It's the same thing.
But our toilets have low flow and his have like the big tank.
We have to flush a bunch of times.
Yeah.
Right, like a dozen.
He talks a lot about toilets.
He's got that good like unregulated flusher on the gold toilet.
I got more clips about this but I don't even think we need to- Fuck!
I think we need to talk about them.
I mean, they go on basically to list a bunch of things that they consider unconstitutional that Biden tried to push through.
Things like extending the eviction moratorium or student loan forgiveness or vaccine mandates when we were in the middle of a fucking pandemic.
What does he refer to as violence as a matter of policy?
Oh, that was a really gross clip where he says that, well, maybe I'll just play that.
Let's hear it.
Every single member, by the way, when they say, oh hold on a second, there's far right and there's far left, and I'm a centrist, I take it on an issue by issue basis.
Every single member of the DNC on a national level, every single one, and Rachel Maddow, and every single host at MSNBC, is actively involved in supporting violence as a matter of policy.
Just with the one.
Correct.
Castrating chemically children, or puberty blockers.
That's violence.
You are committing violence against children.
You are already more of an extremist.
No, it is not an extremist point of view to respond with, I don't want my son, I don't want a teacher to be able to report me to CPS and take my children away if I don't put him on puberty blockers.
Why is that?
Are you an extremist?
Because he's six!
How about partial birth abortion?
Like tracking everything back to trans kids, puberty blockers, abortion.
And there we go.
Right back, square one, transgender fear-mongering.
Yeah, even more of it.
If it goes away too far from that, rest assured, dear listener, it's coming right back.
It's the catch-all, it's the answer for everything.
He doesn't really have an argument, it's trans kids.
Yeah.
It's puberty blockers, it's abortions.
I was thinking a lot about, um, there was recently a teacher that was fired because they read a book, I think it was actually fired a while ago, but recently out-settled, that read a book called My Shadow Was Purple to her kids, and then people got upset about it.
Is that one of the Tuttle Twins books?
No, it's not.
It's kind of like that, but it's just...
I think what a lot of people don't want to talk about is how many things are so needlessly gendered in the first place.
a transgender food card.
Sure.
Okay, so...
I think what a lot of people don't want to talk about is how many things are so needlessly
gendered in the first place.
Sure.
If you aren't shoving down children's throats what...
Careful.
I don't know.
What being a man is and being a woman is and we don't like... Do we have that homo button?
I don't know what button we have.
Can you hit that?
Thank you, Steven.
We need to let kids be kids, right?
And that includes like, you know, oh yeah, if you wear pink, you're a girl.
If you wear blue, you're a boy.
And it really starts at the gender reveal party, doesn't it, Dennis?
Yeah, like what'll happen is if you try and have a gender reveal party, a plane will crash and the pilot will die.
Did you see that?
Hey, can I sing you guys a song and maybe it'll catch on?
I have a little song I sing around the house.
Well, let's wrap this thing up with a song, Jared.
Yeah, what do you got?
It kind of goes like this.
How many people had to die today at a gender reveal party?
How many people had to die today at a gender reveal party?
Yes!
How many people had to die today at a gender reveal party?
If you want to go ahead and just like use that in your new song or like Stephen Crowder could use it.
Oh, you're saying that people have, they can sample that?
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
And it's something, something fun that you can do and you can play along with us at home.
I gotta say, opposite of that, this episode, not fun.
No, this was not a fun episode.
I didn't even think they had fun.
I don't think they had fun because they probably are trying to find a way to be mad.
Steven was mad.
Yeah.
It's glaring.
I mentioned a while back, I'm just going to keep trying to look at his facial and his movements towards his coworkers, his hosts.
And try to see, you know, what the truth is actually.
And I think he just fucking has contempt for these people.
I really don't think he likes them very much.
He's very mean to them.
He just kind of has like a spirit of like, I'm better than you.
It's, I don't know, it's stinky and it's there.
It's kind of, you know, it's loud.
The weirdest thing is that he decided to release something yesterday called Murderer's Row, the first episode of that.
Oh my god, I didn't think we were going to talk about that.
Murderer's Row?
The only reason I want to point this out is he put himself basically in a panel podcast similar to like Joe Rogan when he has like a bunch of his comedian buddies on.
You know, just talk about The Cigar Club on Daily Wire.
Sure, yeah, very similar to that where comedians just talk about how liberals are ruining comedy and, you know, free speeches, blah, blah, blah.
But he put himself on this panel with Brian Callen, professional stand-up comedian.
He's been on Mad TV, a handful of different acting gigs.
Jim Brewer, very talented, SNL standup.
And Nick DiPaolo, one of the quote unquote best comedy writers in the business.
Who's the fourth guy that you're thinking of?
Himself, Steven Crowder.
Professional comedian and actor.
I wasn't gonna say him, but okay.
What the fuck?
You put yourself in this group of people?
He can keep up with these guys.
He's on his own personal Mount Rushmore of comedy.
That's twisted.
That sucks.
He's got the Hodge twins, right?
Why doesn't he bring those guys in?
Well, I think we know why.
But yeah, that's all we have for tonight, folks.
As always, everyone, if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
You can find us on x at than s Crowder.
I don't know if that's staying or if it's going to be than Crowder at some point.
Who knows?
We're going to have a website louder than Crowder dot com.
You can also go to louder with Crowder dot net, of course.
Yeah, that's still up.
That is up and functional.
Louder with Crowder dot net.
Has the best info on it.
And until next time, for Dennis, Jared, and Byron, take care.
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