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Sept. 3, 2023 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 1: VICTIM OF DIVORCE (AUGUST 14TH, 2023)

The guys discuss the "frustraiting"summer hiatus happenings, an authentic country singer "saying it like it is", and the first official Mug Club Undercover. Biden leaves D.C. as much as Trump did — but there’s a difference Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an AudioWool original.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	I'm joined tonight by Dennis.
	Yep.
	And Jared.
	How you doing?
	Good, man.
	I feel kind of bad.
	We went a little bit dark after episode zero, right before my birthday weekend.
	It's not a good time to be dropping a new podcast.
	It's a bad strategy.
	It's a birthday gift for you.
	Well, I apologize, but I do want to say a big thank you to the Knowledge Fight community.
	Thanks to DJ Danarchy.
	He posted about us in their Facebook group.
	Very sweet folks.
	Nice reviews.
	Welcome to the show.
	I wasn't expecting that.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much to those folks.
	I'll send you a thank you card.
	All of them?
	Everybody.
	Every single one of them.
	Drop your full name and address in our show notes.
	In our show notes?
	That's not how it works.
	That's how the internet works.
	Big important episode we're going to be covering today.
	First show back from their summer vacation, August 14th, 2023.
	I guess let's jump in.
	We don't have like a- Dive in.
	It feels weird to jump right in and I think I'm gonna start eventually, you know, it's a comedy show.
	Is it a comedy show?
	The Steven Crowder Show?
	It is.
	That's what he calls it.
	So funny.
	I think in the future we might be opening with a, you know, a funny joke from Steven Crowder.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah.
	But I don't have one this week.
	That's okay.
	So after a bit of a preamble, Stephen addresses what he considers his audience's biggest concern.
	No, it doesn't have anything to do with the big press conference that we covered in episode zero.
	He's pushing his audience towards his Rumble page.
	Rumble.
	And if you're watching on YouTube right now, I would encourage you to go watch on Rumble.
	For reasons that will be glaringly apparent in approximately 20 seconds is hey
	We see that YouTube has cracked down on some things They seem to getting more strict going into election time
	and some of you have been worried Or at least asking us if we'll be pulling back
	and to that I Answer with this so cool
	Turn this chair around sat down in it Turned on a phaser guitar?
	Of course.
	boss multi-effects processor.
	I'm definitely not gonna make us listen.
	Was it a song about?
	No, see it goes on for a bit.
	Let's just jump forward.
	Do we have the lyrics anywhere?
	I do here.
	Okay.
	Did he do this live?
	Did he do this live?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, well, we've been listening to it for months.
	Wow.
	One of the things that like sticks out to me in just the little bit that we saw here is like, you remember when What's-Her-Face said deplorables and then everyone was like, I'm a deplorable and people just started calling each other deplorable?
	You remember when people didn't used to say the words protein spiking?
	And but now it's like I'm putting these in the lyrics of my parody version.
	Yeah it's pretty sick and of course he goes on to say like the chorus is in your veins in your veins vaccine you know okay pretty cool.
	He also says something like When the science's name is Fauci.
	Yeah.
	It's like, come on, man.
	Like, oh, I just want to say, like, a good version of this is someone like Nick Wyker, right?
	He can just throw it out there on the fly and just do a good job with the parody.
	Yeah.
	This this was written down and he took time with this.
	No, this is the science's name is Fauci.
	Yeah.
	It's really easy to make fun of how embarrassing the song is, of course.
	But I want to talk about the video.
	It's an audio medium, so I could describe it.
	You've seen the video, like the actual, what's the cranberries?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I'm sure that they did a pretty okay job reproducing that and doing it.
	Yeah, I mean, that's what it is.
	It just comes off as... Is this something we would put in the show notes?
	Oh, maybe on the website at some point.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well behind there's shots of him wearing a toga, he's painted gold, he's holding a machine gun.
	You're trying really hard to sing in this key not working very well.
	A ton of quick flashing shots of anti-vaxx rallies and there's like filtered news clips of screaming babies getting shots and I Decided to dig into two clips randomly not like anything that question.
	Yeah, why is the big focus back on vaccines?
	Well It's an election year and Joe Biden is trying to win exactly They're kind of implying that this new variant is gonna cause a new lockdown and there's gonna be new vaccines and this is all an attempt to Do the same thing the Dems did the last time, which was rig the election by making sure that people could only vote using mail-in ballots.
	It's bullshit.
	They're just playing the hymns.
	He's just saying that there's a new lockdown coming, and if it never comes, it's because he saved us?
	He did save us, yeah.
	But these clips that I saw, the first was the CG heart spinning, pulsing like it was inflamed.
	Like it was like a techno YouTube video?
	It very well could have been the way that they filtered it.
	Okay.
	This is from a broadcast with the headline, Myocarditis in the Military.
	Okay.
	And actually, I dug up the... Oh, it was not a... I thought it was a cute, pretty, red heart.
	Like a vascular heart, a real heart.
	Well, yeah, an anatomical heart.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	The segment, I found the transcript of it from ABC10 News in San Diego.
	I could read the whole thing, but it said things like, quote, the latest estimates suggest about 12 cases of myocarditis every million doses of the vaccine, which is similar to risk of drowning while swimming.
	Okay.
	And this is the clip that he's sharing to prove his point?
	Yeah, well, that's a substantial amount.
	12 out of a million.
	I guess.
	Specifically the military part.
	23 soldiers in a study got myocarditis.
	16 of the 23 patients recovered within a week.
	But according to the American Heart Association, analysis show that people infected with COVID-19 before receiving the vaccine were 11 times more at risk for developing myocarditis.
	That's like a pretty well-known statistic is although one of the side effects, very rare, is myocarditis to the COVID-19 vaccine.
	The chances of getting myocarditis are far greater if you get COVID-19, at least the early variants.
	Okay.
	So, it just doesn't make sense to really poke at that.
	Yeah, it does.
	It makes people upset.
	It sure does.
	I mean, it's fear-mongering.
	Yeah.
	That's all.
	Well, and then there's the second clip.
	As the first verse starts, we're shown a college basketball player suddenly going limp and falling to the floor.
	Okay.
	Disturbing.
	Not great to see.
	Really uncomfortable.
	I didn't even see it, but I'm disturbed.
	Yeah.
	It took me like 30 seconds to dig in and find out that this man's name is Keontae Johnson and on December 12th 2020 he collapsed.
	Okay Did they win?
	I don't actually didn't I didn't look it up.
	Okay, and then everyone kneeled around him someone sang the national anthem they played again and No, he's very sick.
	They took him out of there.
	You know the whole like died suddenly thing?
	There's all these clips of like soccer players or other athletes just kind of falling, dropping dead.
	And a lot of folks who are vaccine skeptical or anti-vax.
	I like how you phrased it to be so polite.
	I think it's because I listen to all this bullshit all the time.
	Sucks.
	Their vaccine advice of hers.
	Sure, yeah.
	A lot of times they point at these as instances to show that the vaccine is killing people.
	Yeah, it is obviously.
	Weird though.
	Sports players only.
	December 12th was the game he collapsed in.
	December 14th of 2020 was when vaccines started being publicly available.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he got a pre.
	No, he didn't.
	He did.
	He got the beta.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Is he a coastal elite?
	I bet he's a coastal elite.
	He's definitely a fucking coastal elite.
	You've cracked this wider open than you think, Byron.
	I don't know about that.
	But after some time in a coma, he did recover and doctors believe that his heart issue came about due to damage that occurred while he was infected with COVID.
	Okay.
	So it was actually COVID-19.
	They think COVID caused this.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So instead of the vaccine, it was the COVID.
	Okay.
	Is there any studies about if you have the vaccine and you get COVID, of course?
	Sure.
	It's actually... Yeah, there is a study.
	Does it change your likelihood you would develop myocarditis?
	It is, I think, 11 times.
	I don't know.
	I don't want to... Actually, I'm not going to say anything.
	No quokka.
	No quokka.
	We don't remember.
	But it does make it...
	There's less of a chance.
	So if you're vaccinated, generally, statistically, you'll be less likely to develop myocarditis from COVID if you get it.
	Yes.
	So you might increase your chance of getting it from the vaccine, but you decrease your chance of getting it from COVID.
	Okay, so it's kind of like The way all vaccines work.
	Sure!
	1000%!
	So you increase your odds of getting kind of a sore arm.
	Yeah, 12 out of a million.
	And then you decrease your chance of getting the bad thing.
	Yeah, but 12 out of a million, though.
	That's not even one.
	That's not even one!
	And so if a million people had to die for us to find that out, then like, that's where we are, you know?
	I do have some good news.
	Trust the science, right?
	Trust the science.
	Chianti, though.
	It's called Fauci.
	Yeah, how's Chianti?
	He's doing fine.
	He still has a heart condition, but... How does he feel to be in a Steven Crowder music video?
	I don't know.
	I should let him know, honestly.
	I do know that yesterday, as of recording this, he announced The Key to My Heart, a non-profit to save lives from heart issues.
	Oh, hell yeah!
	Pretty cool, so go check that out.
	Pretty cool.
	Yeah, support that.
	Don't support In My Veins.
	In My Veins.
	This is bad.
	Well, it's not good.
	The show's not very good either, folks.
	Let's get into it.
	The show must go on.
	We're in the studio.
	Of course, there's Stephen in sitting second chair is an enthusiastic Gerald A. Gerald!
	I don't remember which one that is.
	I'm second in command, CEO, Mr. Gerald Morgan.
	How are you, sir?
	I'm fantastic.
	I wanted to get back on the air.
	It felt like a football game for me today.
	I wanted to run through a wall, not like Alex Jones, where he split his chin open.
	But like I wondered, how are you?
	I'm sorry, I'm excited.
	Good!
	I got a lot to get to.
	Why didn't they set him up a paper thing?
	What?
	They should have set up like a paper thing he runs through?
	I think they did.
	That's what they're saying with Alex Jones when they announced him in episode zero.
	Did he run through a thing?
	Sure did.
	Hurt himself a little bit.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	I sounded so much like Steven Crowder when I said that.
	Really?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	And I really, I'm not gonna do this introduction thing, because of course there's always first chair, second chair, third chair, an occasional fourth chair.
	Okay.
	But when I'm introducing a new member of the cast, I think it might be necessary for us to discuss.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	In third chair... Third chair, do we have theme music?
	Because I don't know if it's which one we're going with.
	Ah, there we go.
	Slide that in.
	Say that.
	Those of you who don't want your Pops Crowder all up in your videos, you got Pops Crowder in third chair.
	Pops Crowder.
	His dad.
	Yeah, that's his dad.
	Before we get there, can we talk about this theme music thing?
	They do this with every person that has an assigned song.
	What would your song be?
	I don't fucking know.
	Jared, what would yours be?
	You guys don't know?
	I didn't think about this.
	You know, okay, theme song?
	Easy.
	It's called Friction.
	It's by Television.
	Friction?
	Okay, that's not bad.
	Mine would be Kiss and Tell by LeBron.
	Pretty cool.
	I'm still gonna go with none because I think this is bad.
	And especially every time they do it they're like, oh what's the theme?
	You know the theme music?
	They don't just like roll the song and say like... They explain the theme music?
	Yes!
	Because it's weird!
	It doesn't make any Hey, the theme song!
	Play the theme song!
	Play the song for the guy!
	They're not trying to scare their audience.
	No.
	All of a sudden, you're hearing a black man rap.
	Yeah, you got it.
	They think that they accidentally hit the next song.
	Who's in my house?
	Yeah, this sucks.
	It's corny.
	It's weird.
	Pops Crowder, though.
	Pops Crowder.
	Like you said, Dennis, it's Steven Crowder's father.
	His name is Darren S. Crowder, and he's not an infrequent guest.
	He usually When Steven, like, has no guests, can't fill a seat, that's when Pops Crowder steps in.
	Which is ironic, because Pops is Steven's booker.
	So, like, when he does a bad job, he fills in?
	He goes, I guess I'll sit in on the show.
	It's kind of like a Dick Tracy villain.
	It's like if your agent was like, hey, listen, I couldn't get you a commercial, so I'm gonna film you today.
	Perfect!
	Well, it's interesting because in general he's credited as an actor and producer everywhere that I've looked for research on him.
	Actor and producer.
	Of course.
	But it looks like he played a psychiatrist in one segment of a web series called Adam.TV.
	That's it.
	Isn't Adam.tv, was he the guy from Adam Hates Everything or Ruins Everything?
	No, different guy.
	It's Adam 22.
	And that's why he never came back.
	It's not Adam 22 either.
	A24?
	Was it an A24 film?
	Absolutely not.
	But he also produced a film called Bend and Break.
	A film that explores young relationships and the cluelessness of men in search of direction.
	Ever heard of it?
	Yeah, I watched it when I was young.
	You're a huge fan of that one?
	It's my foundational... Somehow I doubt that because it's directed by Jordan Crowder, Steven's brother.
	And it stars Jordan and Papa.
	Steven.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So Pops Crowder, what is his role in the show?
	He acted in the one that helped me become a man.
	Bend and Break, he's an executive producer, which means he just paid for it.
	Gotcha.
	So he paid for his sons to make a movie about boyhood?
	Or something?
	Men Navigating Life.
	Okay.
	And I think that- Did we find it?
	Do we have it?
	I will find it.
	I would love to watch it.
	We will do a commentary track of this film.
	Yeah, put it on the- in the Shrug Club.
	Yes, of course!
	Our Patreon Shrug Club, coming soon.
	I don't know.
	This is just trash.
	I don't know either.
	But it does seem like Stephen's, I mean, I guess Darren's beliefs politically and religiously were passed down to Stephen from his father.
	He's very much like walking around in the shoes of his father.
	Okay.
	And I guess as we show more clips of him, you'll kind of sense that.
	But my dog is ripping around, getting the zoomies.
	Uh-oh.
	Hey, Oliver.
	Nice to see you.
	And I do know that Stephen's family was brought up in some weird evangelical church in Canada, and I will eventually talk about that more, but... Is Stephen Carter Canadian?
	Yeah.
	Another Canadian.
	He's not born in the U.S.?
	Nope.
	What?
	He's LARPing.
	We got another one.
	Okay.
	That, that really, really surprises me.
	Uh-huh.
	Because, I mean, we should say we're doing a documentary project about conservative rap music as well.
	Yeah.
	And one of the prominent features in that community is a guy named Tom McDonald, very much a Canadian, loves America.
	And maybe, I think if I were to ask them, they would say, well, I know what it's like to not live in America, so I appreciate America more.
	Yeah.
	I just, and I'm not the kind of person who thinks that where you're born really matters all that much.
	Sure.
	Like, it's, you know, it just happens to be, oh, that's the spot on the globe it happened.
	But it blows my mind that you would move to another country and then act like you're fighting so strongly for that country.
	I just don't understand it.
	Well, I mean... He, like, moved to Los Angeles though, right?
	He did briefly.
	The thing that he's like, we hate this machine!
	Yeah, well... That really surprises me.
	The thing is, he hates the machine because the machine didn't let him participate.
	Somebody should rage against it.
	But now... Fourth chair.
	We got one more chair.
	I hope there's a song.
	Tell me what the theme song is, Stephen.
	Will you tell me?
	I actually don't know if he has a theme song, but this is a soft clay comedian.
	New talents.
	New talent.
	And then you have in fourth chair today, we have two people.
	You know them.
	You love them.
	You can go see them at the Funny Bone in Richmond, Virginia this Friday, Saturday, August 18th and 19th.
	Follow them at Josh underscore Firestein.
	Josh Firestein, how are you, sir?
	Wait hold on a second, your mic's not on.
	It's not on.
	There it is!
	I got mic.
	This is a wonderful start.
	Yes it is.
	Josh Firestein?
	Josh Fire Stein.
	Stein.
	Yeah.
	Not Josh Fewerstein.
	No.
	Remember the backwards red hat guy who would rant about Christianity in his car?
	No.
	Josh Feuerstein?
	No, I don't think that's the same.
	Do you remember that guy, Jared?
	Is that the two coffees guy?
	That's the guy who like raged about Starbucks cups?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But he always gets two coffees when he goes to Starbucks.
	Does he?
	So you can have one for now and then one for in a little bit.
	This is very much a different guy.
	This is Josh Feierstein.
	You know the guy I'm talking about though, right?
	I have no idea and it doesn't matter.
	It does matter.
	It does matter.
	We're gonna get Josh Feuerstein on this show!
	Okay, perfect.
	This guy, this Josh, actually opened for Steven when I saw him in Spokane, Washington last year, and that makes sense because he, at least as of last year, was the executive assistant at the Spokane Comedy Club.
	So, listen, you can, you can rise, right?
	You can rise.
	Start down here.
	But it sounds like he got bribed for a spot.
	I guess?
	Like another pay to play style situation?
	He was the executive assistant?
	Yeah.
	Of whom?
	Of the comedy club itself.
	Okay, so he wasn't an assistant of- he was assistant of the club?
	Is the club a person?
	Yeah, either way.
	Um, wow.
	In a June 2022- Was it set good?
	It was not.
	It was fine, though.
	It was inoffensive at the time, and he- That's a surprising opening for Steven.
	He seemed kind of uncomfortable to be performing at, I mean, another thing for the Shrug Club, Someone may have recorded the whole thing.
	What?
	The whole comedy set.
	What?
	And I may have found that.
	Oh wow.
	And we may be listening to it and talking about it.
	Yes.
	But that might be something it's part of.
	Did you get Josh Fiers to be on?
	I didn't get this.
	Is that part of the Shrug Club leakers?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Shrug Club Under.
	That's our Mug Club Undercover.
	I love that.
	Shrewd Club leakers?
	Sucks, man.
	I love it.
	June 2022, there's an article in the Spokesman Review, which is the Spokane newspaper, talking about Josh's comedy and he was quoted saying, I'll talk about my family, my father, my children, and current events.
	I'll talk about the military and how now that I'm a father of an eight-year-old, I have to be friends with people I don't like.
	I like to tell dirty jokes, he said, but you'll get a bunch of everything but political humor when you come out and see me.
	Everything but political humor?
	Everything but, which kind of tracks with the comedy that he was performing when I saw him.
	He was, he really did feel kind of out of his element, but maybe Steven saw something in him.
	Maybe.
	I know that Dave Landau was pretty much, I mean I know the c-word's not great, centrist when he started the show and this is the other guy that you think is Gerald.
	Okay yeah yeah yeah.
	Which one says Ahoy?
	Ahoy guy.
	Ahoy guy.
	That's Landau.
	He has his own show on Blaze now.
	He's fully shifted his beliefs so let's pray for Josh everyone.
	Well I imagine Being you do a set.
	Yeah, and people don't really care because they aren't fans of comedy.
	They're fans of Steven Crowder Okay, and you get you get like the hit the rush from performing at this with these people Well, just like when you see the other the other material land so much harder than yours I'm sure it would when you see how funny it is when Steven Crowder does a Native American accent Including like his palm hitting his mouth Nice.
	Great work, Stephen.
	Damn, I guess this is easy.
	So I just need to be bad?
	Waka waka.
	That might be the last time we hear from him here.
	I think that's it for Josh, actually.
	But he's here.
	Be on the lookout.
	So we kick off the show addressing the rumor mill, which, you know, a handful of articles came out.
	We briefly talked about Stephen's divorce and a couple other things last time.
	Yeah.
	And uh I think we should probably dig in a little bit um and boys check me on this because I don't I don't know how much we should be talking about Stephen's personal life.
	The only reason I talk about this stuff is because he's so hypocritical and totally I think that that's reasonable.
	I'm just gonna do a nice blanket disclaimer.
	This is just like a little locker room talk and our boy is like kind of a lethargic dude.
	We're in a bit of trouble.
	I mean, it's all about the hypocrisy.
	That's the only thing that's important to me.
	I mean, people have bad relationships and, you know, a lot of the time I think that that is between them, but when it branches into abuse and manipulation and also hypocrisy, I think that it's worth pointing out.
	Totally.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Well, it's no different than when, like, if we were to comment on, you know, someone who's very anti-gay coming out as gay.
	Sure.
	We would never be shaming someone for being gay.
	We'd shame them for being a hypocrite.
	Yeah.
	That's all we'd shame them for.
	So, let's just make that clear.
	Back in April, journalist Yashar Ali acquired and released a ring camera video that showed Steven preventing his wife, who was pregnant with twins at the time, from using their one car to go to the grocery store.
	And this was because it would fuck up his plans to visit the gym and spend time with his friends.
	She, quote, wasn't performing her wifely duties, and he needed pellets for his barbecue.
	Okay.
	It's a fucked up video.
	It sucks.
	It's really hard to watch, but it does have, has that great audio clip.
	That wouldn't work either!
	That won't work either!
	She can't touch the dog medication, the cancer dog medication.
	Without gloves on?
	But also because she's pregnant, right?
	And he's just like smoking a cigar and just blowing the cigar into her face and being like...
	Please!
	Golly!
	Go!
	Just do it!
	For Steve!
	Do it for Steve.
	I didn't understand a lot of the context of that video.
	I mean, I watched it and I just was kind of just... He mentioned gloves, like he wanted her to wear gloves to give the dog medicine.
	Just wear gloves, yeah.
	And she wanted him to do it or something?
	Because he wasn't at risk of this?
	Yeah, when you're pregnant, there is a risk.
	Eight months pregnant?
	Yeah.
	It was that, like, that's why it wasn't like, um, everyone needs to wear gloves with this.
	It was just like, yeah, it was just for her.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah.
	It's like toxoplasmosis style.
	I mean, I, I'm, I'm obviously married.
	Uh, if my wife said, obviously, I mean, have you seen him?
	Have you heard his voice?
	Have you heard his voice?
	I'm married.
	Byron and I don't have that.
	What?
	but I I feel like if she if she was like hey can you feed the dogs for me I don't feel like touching the gross Vienna sausage or whatever you might even just do that I wouldn't care like what who cares who cares who I would even put down my video games to do it.
	Your dog's getting them little Vienna sausage from the bodega?
	Well, my dog has bladder cancer, so I have to give him pills every day and I just do it in a Vienna sausage.
	And he loves it.
	He fucking loves that Vienna sausage.
	I'm sorry that I was not sensitive to your dog's needs, but I'm just happy for him.
	But simultaneously rooting for him as well.
	Hell yeah.
	He just gets to eat Vienna sausages every day until he eventually passes.
	And that's a wonderful way to go out.
	I mean, Vienna sausages fucking suck.
	I actually don't eat those either.
	Come on, guys, back to this show.
	The video, super disturbing, abusive language.
	And after this leak, Steven even threatened to release his wife's medical records, saying on his show, quote, Due to recent misleadingly edited leaks to the tabloid press without context and not subject to consequences of the court, well, if not privacy, the next best option is truth.
	And so today, I have filed a motion to officially unseal all files as they relate to the matter of legal record, finances, relevant medical records, including mental health history or evaluations, Depositions and any motions or sanctions from the courts of Texas implying that she may have had some sort of mental health crisis Which living with Steven Crowder would I mean?
	Yeah, well, so here's here's what I would say is hard to believe that would happen if he cares deeply about truth Is he gonna release his own as well?
	Well, he completely backtracked on this.
	He just of course weird threat Yeah, of course, but if you really care about truth post all your shit online well truth starts with you and Why are you pointing at me?
	Because it starts with you, man.
	All right.
	Well, we got a clip.
	There have been a lot of stories.
	It has been brought to my attention that there have been some stories out there circulating.
	Can you pause real fast?
	Sorry.
	He always sounds like he is unexpectedly defending himself, but trying to do so with very big words.
	Yeah.
	It always just seems kind of like this is sprung on him and he's asking for it I don't know how much we're gonna hear him say this just because we're like clipped it out But last week we were talking about Alex Jones using the phrase.
	Let us be clear.
	Let me be clear Steve says it like 12 times in the next like 40 minutes.
	That's batter Meinhof, baby.
	It's wild.
	Some old some new regarding divorce that's been going on.
	Obviously I've been going through for a very long time.
	We have not discussed this and I want to be very clear.
	This is under confidentiality from the court from the judge and I will honor that so I won't be discussing that and I would caution anyone by the way on either side Any side, whether you think you're helping me or someone else, just from drawing conclusions on what would necessarily be incomplete information because of the situation.
	It seems like this whole divorce thing has kind of changed the way he feels about things.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course, yeah.
	I want to be very clear about this.
	I have absolutely, and unashamedly, respectfully, courted several women well since, well since I was served divorce papers.
	And have been going through a separation and divorce for well over two years, depending on how you calculate it.
	And each of these, the reason I need to address this is because each of these women are incredible.
	Is he really saying, just let me be clear, I still got it.
	Is that what he's trying to say?
	Is that what he's trying to say?
	I mean like that's kind of how it rounds out.
	They've all been incredible, conservative, God-fearing women to the letter.
	Have done nothing wrong.
	These were not one night stands.
	These were meaningful relationships with each woman who is well aware of my situation, well after served divorce papers, who do not deserve to have their reputations besmirched, who helped me through what is, what has been the darkest, most difficult period of my life.
	And I have a fondness in my heart for, for everyone involved.
	You guys think that he's on Raya?
	Raya?
	What's Raya?
	Raya is like a fancy, it's a dating app for celebrities or rich people.
	Oh nice, yeah I'm on Raya.
	You're obviously married.
	Ashley Madison?
	No, okay, so I mean a couple things here.
	He implies that there's like this larger story of him cheating on his wife and so far I haven't really been able to find anything Beyond this, uh, what is it?
	Kiwi Farms Forum?
	I think it's like a weird kind of, uh, based forum.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why he's so aggressively chasing this story, which I haven't really seen anywhere.
	I think he's trying to get ahead of something, that he knows is coming or something like that.
	All of this nice talking about these women that he dated after he was served divorce papers, which let me be clear.
	Let me be clear.
	I have no problem with that.
	Right?
	Like after you're served divorce papers and you're in separation, that seems like an agreement that the marriage is dissolving and you're kind of free to do whatever you want.
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about legally.
	I don't know.
	I don't know anyone who says, hey, we're getting a divorce, and you have to wait till after the paperwork's filed.
	No one actually believes that.
	They talk a little bit about that in a second.
	It's really strange that he's talking about multiple women.
	I didn't pull this clip because I found it kind of offensive, but after he gets done talking about these three women, he goes on to do a That's Why We're Launching the Win a Date with Steven Crowder competition, where he created an email address.
	ProtonMail.
	No, it was at Louder with Crowder.
	Yeah, it was a real email address.
	Like if you were joking about this, you wouldn't make an email account, right?
	He's like, send pictures and all this.
	It's absolutely ridiculous and minimizing of the relationships that he had with these women.
	Which he said that they came to him at a time where he was at his lowest and helped him through a very hard time.
	The darkest period of his life.
	And now's a new hard time.
	Okay, great.
	Do you want my thoughts on this?
	For one, I would be surprised if Steven didn't cheat on his wife.
	Because with abuse, with verbal abuse, comes other types of abuse.
	Well, I mean, at the end of the day, if you're doing something you don't want your wife to find out about, you'll try and be more controlling.
	Sure.
	About other things.
	Things unrelated to whatever it may be.
	Just because if you feel like you've lost control, you'll try and seek control.
	Sure.
	Is my belief.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I mean, this doesn't surprise me, if this is true, right?
	And he does go on to kind of further explain, you know, his thoughts on marriage now that this has happened to him.
	He's a victim of divorce.
	And I want to be clear about this, too.
	Now look, I understand that some people out there think you should never date anybody, court anybody, until divorce is finalized.
	In the case of, Gerald has a friend.
	Yeah, so I won't say who, but I know somebody who went on for 10 years.
	There's currently a divorce going on for 8 years.
	This is well over 2 years and it could go on forever.
	I understand that some people have that point of view.
	I do not.
	I do not.
	I don't really have strong feelings about that either.
	I think most people don't have that point of view.
	Do you know anyone who thinks, you know, we're getting a divorce but we have to wait?
	I've never heard of anything like that.
	I do think that if he wants us... Just if it's like some religious context.
	Sure.
	I mean, I've only seen that in a sense of like, I need to wait to marry you until my divorce is finalized.
	Well, yeah, that's like a movie trope where someone's like, they won't sign the paper.
	Yeah, I can't marry you.
	And they fall back in love.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And maybe that's what he's hoping for.
	But I also, I just don't...
	I don't care.
	All these three or more new women wouldn't put the gloves on and touch his cancer dog's asshole.
	I guess not.
	Do we know if that dog's doing okay?
	I hope it is.
	I hope that dog's feeling better.
	I hope so too.
	The dog deserves better.
	But he's just been blowing cigar smoke in its face as well.
	You know, and Steven, he's been humbled.
	I have been humbled.
	And I do have a lot to apologize for.
	Look, let me be really clear.
	I was wrong.
	Let me be clear.
	About a lot.
	To men out there who have been going through divorces, and we've had these questions come in at LifeAdvice.
	I understand.
	Look, I hear you now.
	There's not just a problem of pervasive feminism, to be clear.
	Be clear.
	I thought he was taking a long breath.
	Nope, that was just the end of the clip.
	Just a total lack of empathy, exclusively sympathy-pilled at this point.
	As a man, this is unfair to me.
	It's just victimhood, man.
	It's weird, his newfound respect for divorcees.
	He used to think that they were a bunch of chumps and assholes.
	Not me, brother.
	I got a wife that puts the gloves on, touch the dog's cancer ass.
	I'm not in the courtroom for this, but I think that if he wants this to end, like, I drive by a place that's like, divorce in a day.
	Divorce in a day.
	On the corner down the street.
	I know the one he talked about.
	Yeah, for $25.
	Just give her what it's worth.
	To be fair, there's a lot more assets involved.
	Of course, there's a lot more money.
	And I get that.
	Here's how I see this divorce as a person, not as a court, as a person.
	Hey, we're gonna get a divorce.
	Okay, let's get the paperwork filed.
	Alright, bye.
	And then you go do your thing.
	I don't give a fuck after that.
	Ding dong, $25 divorce here.
	I don't understand- Come on in, Steven.
	Why is it that the legality of it has this weird pedestal thing with him?
	Yeah.
	I think he- I don't know.
	I think he's in a, you know, a tough place.
	I may never get married again.
	What do you do with people like me?
	And I know that there are a lot of men out there who love women, who are scared.
	And I am so genuinely, so sorry.
	If I was ever dismissive, I hear you.
	I was wrong.
	Comment below what experiences that you have been through because you'll probably find other people.
	You are not alone.
	And you have someone who will be an advocate as it relates to strengthening families going forward in this country, specifically as it relates to laws and people who have had to go through this system for years.
	You do not need to be ashamed.
	We often say, hey, you know, you shouldn't be shamed publicly.
	You should not be shamed.
	Because something didn't work out and a choice that wasn't yours.
	Okay, first off, every choice in a relationship is yours.
	Yes.
	Right.
	You make all your choices.
	You have a choice to get married.
	You have a choice to ask someone out.
	You have a choice to court people.
	You have a choice to not yell at your wife about wearing gloves to give the dog medicine because she won't.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	But in some states, they don't have no-fault divorce like they do in Texas.
	Sure, sure.
	Is that where he's at?
	In Texas?
	Yes.
	And that was the thing that he complained about the most was he's like, I didn't want this.
	It's unfair that she can end our marriage because she wants to.
	I think there, like, is more problems here than just pervasive feminism.
	I don't think so, man.
	Pervasive feminism is the biggest problem in our society today.
	She has the right to leave?
	Who gave you the right?
	Well, apparently the state of Texas.
	So, you know, this is interesting because I was listening to, on the David Pakman show, I was listening to Dennis Prager and him.
	Great name, by the way.
	Dennis, great name.
	Okay.
	He sounds like Louis Black, by the way.
	A little bit.
	What interested me about this was that he talked so much about how being married is so different than being in a long-term relationship.
	Because David Pakman is just not married to his girlfriend.
	Long-term partner, though.
	Dennis Prager was like, If you said my wife, that's such a stronger feeling.
	And like, I agree that it feels strong for me and my wife, but... That doesn't mean anything.
	My wife!
	It doesn't mean anything else about somebody else's relationship.
	Or how they interpret your relationship.
	Totally, yeah.
	I'm confident that if my wife and I were never legally married on paper... You'd still be fine.
	Our relationship wouldn't be different now.
	She could leave you.
	She could leave me for no reason.
	What the fuck?
	Really?
	I know.
	Jesus.
	What?
	Well... Watch out for that.
	Suffrage all over again.
	I see what he's saying, Prager.
	And I agree with Steven.
	She should have never been able to be... This is feeling so sad.
	So far, out of the two episodes we've done, the saddest one.
	Yeah.
	We're only like five minutes into the show.
	I know right?
	And it just starts on this like such a down note.
	It's dense.
	We get the dumb parody and then he's like, it's like, have you ever lost your father in a car accident?
	Uh-huh.
	I haven't but I got a divorce.
	It's pretty equivalent.
	Let's keep moving through these hiatus rumors.
	My dad's right here.
	Yeah.
	As to other rumors out there, look, yes, yes, the NDA at the company, of course.
	Yes to it being reinforced in the company when you've had former employees and people in our lives being paid for leaks.
	And of course a confidentiality order, like I've said, that I will honor in the court.
	We have strengthened it.
	Yes, all of that is true.
	Can I?
	No.
	Following the Mediaite article about how former staffers have accused Stephen of sending explicit
	texts exposing himself to male employees and fostering an uncomfortable workplace atmosphere,
	some former employees said this, quote, In regards to exposing himself in general, to my knowledge,
	he has only exposed himself to male staffers. Good. Still bad.
	It happened all the time.
	It was a regular occurrence.
	It usually happened when he was in a really good mood, sort of manic mood.
	So while we all were disgusted by it and it was never welcomed, it was preferable to him being in a bad mood and how he treated people in that So basically, like I was saying, I'd rather get a dick picked than get yelled at, basically.
	Yeah, yeah, so it must be pretty bad.
	Another ex-staffer also said Crowder would make uncomfortable comments during a men's-only Bible study he held back in 2021.
	This is pretty funny.
	Are you talking about Jesus's cum gutters or what?
	Kind of!
	The staffer said Crowder frequently remarked that, quote, men used to be more physically intimate with each other, and then would reference a passage from the Bible where Abraham's servant put his hand on Abraham's inner thigh to be closer to Abraham's descendants, which the interpretation is testicles.
	Okay.
	Descendants of testicles?
	Yeah.
	Do you think that... Okay.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	But we saw him do this earlier in the vaccine video, when he was all painted up in gold.
	He was!
	Like gold leaked all over him.
	Yeah, that's interesting.
	Okay.
	According to former staffers, quote, it's like walking on eggshells most of the time.
	Most employees are overworked and underpaid.
	Nothing is ever good enough.
	Office morale is extremely low and many employees have stated that they want to give up and quit, which is something we've seen happen.
	Recently, because following the leaks that we talked about in episode 0, four different staff members claimed they were forced out after he interrogated them over leaks, and he demanded that they sign NDAs that could occur $100,000 penalties.
	And this document it said quote, I hereby acknowledge that said damages are reasonable and do not constitute a penalty and I further agree that I will not contest the reasonableness of said liquidated damages in any such action commenced by either party with respect to this amendment.
	What was that?
	That was the document.
	Okay.
	That's what they had to agree to in order to continue working at Louder with Crowder.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Quote, Stephen was livid, a source close to Stephen told Mediite.
	He and Gerald said that they knew someone was talking to you, the author of this piece.
	Based on the article you wrote they said whoever text messaged former employees about us not being able to hang out with them Which apparently after the initial leaks louder with Crowder the folks said that they couldn't talk to co-workers They couldn't like get their story straight.
	Okay.
	They would be given amnesty if they confessed by 2 p.m.
	If no one confessed they would see it as malice and no one confessed so they started interrogating people.
	This just sounds like an alleged nightmare.
	I feel like if I was on that team, I would just be like, I'm gonna leave.
	I'm gonna go.
	Well, that's what four people did.
	Yeah, I'm gonna go.
	And during a meeting, Crowder downplayed the sexual misconduct allegations and said, quote, if you're not allegedly, if you're not okay with guys playing sack tap, then this isn't the place for you.
	Translation, if you're not willing to let me whip my fucking dick out and put it on your shoulder when you're not looking in the same direction as me, and I fucking look to your right and you get a face full of my cock, you're not allowed to fucking be mad about that.
	I said if you work here you're gonna see it sometimes.
	So what are you gonna talk to Gerald about it?
	Sounds like a really cool place to work.
	So, after such a serious start to the show, I think maybe we should take a second and laugh, because that's what this is, guys.
	It's a comedy show.
	Okay, good.
	Every time the show goes on break, they do something special to catch up on what they missed.
	Break, break.
	So, it's one of those things, since we were gone, you know a lot of news happened, we have to recap.
	I just don't like.
	We're stuck on this?
	We still have to do it?
	We still have to do it?
	Yes.
	A lot of bucks, Mike Pence seems to give no fucks.
	California reparations, Sanford public urinations.
	Bud Light is still a flop, just like that Mulvaney cunt.
	Indiana Jones sucks, so thank God for the writer's strike.
	It's enough of that.
	Goes on for a while.
	Wow.
	Really hammers down on drag queens.
	But you know, and this is just the one thing at the top of this segment, he says, we're going to address some of these rumors, right?
	And we're going to talk about all the things that have been happening.
	He didn't talk about the damn ring cam.
	We had to talk about the damn ring cam.
	That's true, yeah.
	He didn't talk about the ring cam at all?
	And then he didn't talk about the dick pics that we wanted to hear about.
	His... Did he even bring that up?
	We had to hear about Hunter Biden's fat cock.
	And we all love hearing about that.
	Does he talk about that a lot?
	No.
	And they just love that fat cock of Hunter Biden.
	Okay.
	Hunter Biden had the cocaine, he had the fat cock.
	Jared's hit his cock quota at this point.
	We're gonna bleep out everyone after this.
	All right, so this episode, like you said Jared, not much has happened because it's been about 15-20 minutes of them playing catch-up.
	There's other parts of the show that I don't think are really worth talking much about.
	Is this the first episode that's like actually back-back?
	Back from their hiatus, yeah.
	Okay, and that was like months long, right?
	It was at least a month long, but a couple of things from the episode that, like I said, not really worth covering.
	Oliver Anthony in his song Richmond, North of Richmond, You hear he's gonna be the Super Bowl?
	The way you're eating these fudge rounds is blowing my mind.
	He's gonna sing the national anthem for free.
	They offered him $100,000 and he said, I will sing that song for free.
	Wait, Jared, was that a new verse?
	That was the unreleased fourth verse of Richmond, Richmond.
	Yeah, pretty good.
	I do want to point out a quick clip from a vlog style video that Oliver posted.
	This clip, it kind of points out to him not being the vehicle that everyone initially thought that he would be.
	Well, you know, like, it was funny seeing my song in the... It was funny seeing it at the presidential debate.
	Because it's like, I wrote that song about those people, you know?
	So for them to have to sit there and listen to that, that cracks me up.
	But it was funny kind of seeing the response to it.
	Like, that song has nothing to do with Joe Biden, you know?
	It's a lot bigger than Joe Biden.
	That song is written about the people on that stage.
	And a lot more, too.
	Not just them, but definitely them.
	That rain sounded so nice.
	Yeah.
	I'm starting to think I should get a farm, honestly.
	I know, I need a car with rain.
	Write a really fucked up second verse to a song.
	And not even that fucked up.
	I don't even know the lyrics to the song.
	I know there's something about bullshit pay.
	Then that's fine, but then he starts talking about basically what like the welfare queen myth and that people who are on food stamps are 300 pounds and buying fudge rounds.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's just it's like I'm poor and he's declaring that he's poor, right?
	And then he just says, and I'm poorer than I am.
	You're the scourge, you piece of shit.
	We're just punching down.
	It's very strange.
	Before we move away from it, though, I did want to say that I stumbled upon a playlist that was attached to Oliver's YouTube page that included a bunch of Jordan Peterson clips, so he's not really, like, off the hook in my book, but still, I don't think he's the person that everyone has kind of tried to make him be.
	No, I don't think so at all.
	I agree.
	A guy like this, this is real.
	I hope this guy blows it up.
	I think this song is number one now on the charts.
	It is.
	On iTunes.
	I saw that, yeah.
	They will write a fake...
	Backstory for country artists like they do for rappers.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm from the mean streets of Detroit.
	I've been shot five times.
	Okay, well, I grew up on a horse farm in North Carolina.
	I like mustard on my fries.
	And there's a guy in his car like, what?
	Well, that's country!
	So that was kind of weird that Pops Crowder like fully points out the flaw and it kind of relates to Oliver a little bit too as an artist and in a kind of a weird racist way as well.
	Like everyone kind of billed him as like an Appalachian musician and he has several times been like, I'm not, I don't know.
	What are you reading the lyrics though Dennis?
	It's just the poor pitted against the ultra poor.
	Yeah.
	That's all that is.
	It's interesting to see him speaking out against, like just speaking out about them playing it at the thing.
	Right? It reminds me of when I think I was during the election when people were dancing around with blue live
	matters flags to That killing in the name of oh really? Yeah, and they're
	like dancing around blue as matters. Fuck you Tell me!
	Yeah, that's cool.
	I don't know how you couldn't see that and think... I mean, there's things about that that people can resonate with, right?
	Like, everyone feels overworked, but it's like a horoscope.
	It's generic enough that people will relate to it.
	It can apply to you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, I know what it's like to work for a pittance.
	Yeah, and someone's always making more money than you.
	Yeah, of course.
	Uh-huh.
	And they're doing less.
	When you look down on people who are doing worse than you, then that just makes you shitty.
	He was being so broad initially, and then it's just pinpointed.
	5'3", 300 pounds.
	The fuck, man?
	Cool it!
	But also at the same time, I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this song.
	They're acting as if this is like, he's saying all of the culture war stuff that we're talking about.
	There's not that much to it.
	He really isn't, considering the music that we listen to on a regular basis for our project.
	He mentioned being poor.
	Yeah.
	He mentioned being poor.
	That's like what I really noticed.
	That stood out to me.
	Wish politicians would look out for minors, not just children, welfare.
	Which is also, that's kind of weird saying like, enough with all this.
	He's kind of saying like, enough with this anti-child trafficking stuff.
	How about us in Virginia?
	Yeah.
	We're people too.
	What about our jobs?
	Which is kind of a weird stance to take.
	Yeah, I wish politicians would look out for minors and not just minors.
	Yeah, the way it's phrased, I think people just hear that and they go, yeah!
	Yeah!
	Epstein!
	Jeffrey Epstein Investigated!
	Stop caring about Epstein, care about the people in Virginia Mines!
	I don't know.
	We've already talked so much more than I intended about Oliver Anthony, but I think- We're gonna have a show called Louder Than Oliver Anthony, right?
	Well, we could talk about- he was just on Rogan this week, so- Richard Mann, North of Richmond.
	Excuse me?
	Rich men farther north of Richmond?
	It is weird that he's talking to Joe Rogan, one of the richest men in podcasting.
	But he's down south, dude.
	That's true.
	He's in my neck of the woods.
	Just north of Richmond's DC, my boy.
	He's talking about them politicians.
	Okay.
	I talked too much about the rumor junk at the top and had to skip a big chunk of the show where I guess we found a Chinese-produced TikTok video featuring a white woman slipping on a wedding ring and then seeing a vision of traditional wifely duties like cleaning, doing laundry, mopping, holding a baby.
	This is his news segment.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	TikTok stuff.
	She puts the ring down on the table and walks off frame.
	The message is like, oh, that's not for me.
	Okay.
	Some things about marriage just needs changing.
	Whether or not this is like a true Chinese psyop, he uses it as an excuse to talk about traditional values and how what men want from women hasn't changed, but what women want Yeah, it's crazy.
	If you allow women to be who they want to be, their point of view will change.
	Yeah, but Dennis, men haven't changed what they want in a woman.
	Men haven't changed what they want in a woman.
	Okay?
	That's why you see billionaires marrying waitresses.
	They don't care about your college degree.
	They don't care about your job.
	That's not what matters to a man.
	It's probably just a movie he saw once.
	Yeah.
	It's fucking Adam Sandler.
	Man still wants the same thing that he's always wanted.
	He wants a nice woman to whom he's attracted to come home and be able to do right.
	To feel safe, to have a safe haven.
	Nice matters more than money, right?
	Nurturing matters more than business success.
	Women have changed a lot of what they want from men.
	That has changed significantly.
	And a lot of men feel like they can't be mind readers, right?
	And you know that this is true because it's a stereotype that everyone jokes about when it's funny.
	I think men do care about lots of things other than money.
	And I think that women do too.
	All they care about is the big bazoongas and the sandwich making skills, Byron.
	Puff, puff, puff my cigar.
	Blow it in the dog's face.
	I don't think Steven's ever lived outside of himself or what he's seen in movies.
	He can't imagine that someone... And like there's not men attracted to powerful women.
	Sure.
	They're totally.
	There's all sorts of folks and all sorts of attractions.
	The one that reigns supreme?
	Billionaires and waitresses.
	Billionaires and waitresses.
	You guys see so many billionaires marrying waitresses.
	Let me pull you out of this dump, toots.
	Let me see those bazookas.
	Stupid.
	I really wonder what he thinks women are attracted to.
	Well, let's find out.
	You're married to a woman.
	Let's assume that he's the primary provider, right?
	One of a more traditional relationship.
	Doesn't mean he's the only provider.
	Does your husband, uh, does he come home to you every night?
	If the answer is yes, okay.
	Does he protect you?
	If something goes bump in the night, does he answer, or do you lock him in the bedroom?
	Alright.
	Does he provide?
	Meaning, does he go to a job at all?
	Okay, we've just crossed a threshold, but I'm not going to tell you what.
	One more question.
	Does he ever listen to you complain about problems, ever, that don't affect him?
	Does he ever do anything nice for you, like send you flowers, even if only on your birthday?
	If the answer to those is yes, congratulations, you're with a man who's doing more than 99% of men who have ever lived!
	Myself included!
	Dennis, let me ask you.
	Yeah?
	Are men listening to their wives?
	I don't listen to my wife about anything.
	Okay.
	Ever lived?
	You think Genghis Khan was listening to you bitch about Tiffany?
	He does those things they were expected to provide and protect.
	Okay, now on the flip side, you're a woman and you're married to a man.
	Let me ask you this.
	Do you cook every day?
	If the answer is no, you are now doing less than 99% of women who have ever lived from the beginning of time up until 1964.
	Okay, so what he's saying is, if you do not cook for your husband, you're doing less than most women.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, up until 1964 is what he said.
	Does that, like, count, like, prehistoric times?
	Well, that's what I was thinking.
	It's like, how far are we going back?
	Are we going to the Bronze Age?
	What are we doing?
	Definitely the Stone Age, at least.
	He's mega, right?
	So he's talking about 1950s?
	The thing is, it doesn't matter.
	Everyone has personal preference, and that is completely okay.
	I like cooking and I can get scared when a guy tries to break into my house and I could be on equal footing with my partner, you know?
	Or my partner could be scarier though, which she is.
	The things that he's implying as these weird film stereotypes of men and women.
	Yeah, they're complete, absolute complete stereotypes.
	And it, it really, what he's saying is, hey, listen, men have always gotten what they wanted and now women want more and that's unfair.
	It is.
	Can you even believe this bullshit, man?
	Shouldn't we just like date each other?
	Well one thing that we did miss in this is a whole bunch of offensive Chinese accents and Stephen talking about how average ages of when folks get married has changed which yeah don't care.
	I don't care at all.
	I think that's fine.
	Yeah.
	A special guest shows up a bit early and His name is Johnson!
	Right?
	Is there another theme?
	No.
	I wish.
	Everyone's kind of rude to him.
	So Alex is here and ready for us.
	I know we had him kind of earlier today.
	I thought we had him at... We had him at 9.45.
	I said to have him on at... I know, I know.
	We may have to get to Alex... At 10.
	We may have to get to Alex in just a minute.
	Do you want to do this?
	We can buy anything.
	Well, because we also have the exclusive... We do.
	Can you check and see if Alex can call us back in a little bit?
	Because we need to get to the Mug Club exclusive.
	We're running late, Alex.
	I'm so sorry.
	We're going to have to get used to, fellas.
	Just so you know.
	I said...
	Alex, I love you.
	I love you.
	But I said 10 if you can.
	If not, then that's okay.
	But we do have an exclusive from Mug Club Undercover, which is the first time we want to break.
	Totally unnecessary to put him on blast like that.
	I'm feeling for Jones here.
	Were they just putting on there that he was late?
	Arguing about pushing him back live on the air.
	What?
	Yeah, is weird.
	Alex, please leave.
	Basically, they put Alex on hold and they do it so Pops Crowder can, I mean, how do you feel about a trivia break?
	That's, I mean, that's, I would do that, especially, you know, if the person who arguably has more success historically than me came on the air early, I'd probably just catch trivia.
	Pops Crowder has something he wants to share.
	Nice.
	How many weeks of vacation would you guess for Joe Biden in two and a half years?
	Oh, I know this number's high.
	I got four days, which I was really happy with.
	We had a great time on the lake.
	What did he get?
	Two and a half years.
	Gosh, people, you're probably going nuts in the chat.
	My guess is nine weeks.
	Nine and a half weeks!
	What are your thoughts, Gerald?
	What is 104 weeks?
	I don't know, like 30?
	I think he's had some really giant number.
	40 weeks.
	Wow!
	40 weeks of vacation?
	That's a lot of time!
	That's almost public school teacher!
	Yeah, they did fart noise on public school teachers.
	Well, I did figure that out Jared.
	There's a quick piece of trivia from the Washington Post.
	Oh my God.
	He said vacation is Biden, is that right?
	Well, I did figure that out, Jared.
	There's a quick piece of trivia from the Washington Post.
	Did you see this as well?
	No, I don't think that's what I saw.
	I saw an article called, Biden leaves DC as much as Trump did,
	but there's a difference.
	Oh.
	Biden has spent all or part of 256 days of his presidency, either on vacation or at one of his homes in Delaware.
	All or part of 75 days at Camp David, which is the unofficial designated getaway for presidents.
	and 68 days overseas.
	Trump, by contrast, has spent all or part of 250 days at a property he owned.
	By that point in his presidency, he'd spent all or part of 18 days at Camp David
	and 45 days on foreign trips.
	He also called the White House a dump and said he didn't want to spend much time there.
	Pretty cool.
	So I don't, I'm not gonna like score the presidents based on their time in office.
	I'm gonna score it based on the shit that gets done.
	That's all I care about.
	I think that the presidents should probably do more work.
	I think that 250 days is a lot.
	Oh, of course it's a lot.
	For both of them.
	But I care about what's getting done.
	Yes.
	You know, that's all I care about more than anything else.
	And same thing with school teachers, Steven.
	Please.
	I don't care that they take summers off.
	Lazy pieces of shit taking the summer off.
	Fuck them, man.
	The weird thing is most of them get part-time jobs or do like summers.
	Yes, they have to do other fucking jobs because you don't pay them enough.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah.
	That makes me so mad to hear.
	Holy shit.
	So this article from the Washington Post, it goes on deeper into more detail.
	I don't really have time.
	What?
	Sorry.
	No, I don't have time.
	That was my pervasive masculinity.
	Perfect.
	I just don't have time to talk more about it, but I will put a link in the show notes here.
	Last episode, though, Steven introduced a new wing of Louder With Crowder, an investigative journalism project called Mug Club Undercover.
	Nice.
	It sounds really intense.
	I don't know.
	It sounds kind of like Shrug Club Leak.
	Shrug Club Leak.
	A little bit like that.
	Kind of sounds like that, I think, Steve.
	Yeah, and for their first investigation, they've set their sights on the Cincinnati Children's Hospital, specifically their chair of pediatrics, Tina Chang, which is exactly what I anticipated.
	Of course, they're going to be targeting children's hospitals, and I wonder what they're going to be targeting them over.
	The Mug Club Investigation Unit Undercover has some exclusive details.
	There was an internal email that we obtained, and it was written by the CCH's chair of pediatrics, Tina L. Chang.
	MD.
	So here's Dr. Cheng congratulating her staff via email and it tells you why this is happening.
	This year they, the US News World Reports, increased the weight of commitment to best practices and commitment to, you can bring it up there as an overlay, and commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion and less weight on expert opinion.
	Now she says that like it's a good thing.
	I'd like a second opinion.
	But then it won't be waiting.
	Second opinion, yeah.
	So, wah wah wah wah wah.
	So this is pretty long, so I've chunked it up so we can discuss in between.
	But, I mean, I don't know. What's your interpretation of that?
	Can I read that phrase again?
	99%?
	Jesus Christ.
	Our number one ranking recognized our dedication to quote changing the outcome together.
	Now We're gonna get to the transgender procedures for children and how that is included here because that's a big part of DEI just to be clear.
	Just to be clear.
	Wait, so transgender surgeries for youth is a big part of diversity and inclusion?
	That's what he's implying.
	Is that what he's saying?
	He's doing a lot of implying here.
	Yeah, okay, okay.
	I mean, I usually see when I, like, used to work in a corporate world, we'd have these, you know, diversity and inclusion meetings, and we always talked about trans surgeries for children.
	Yeah, always.
	I mean, that was mostly what we talked about.
	The largest topic.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Until 2007, the pediatric rankings relied entirely on reputational surveys of board-certified pediatricians and adolescent medicine specialists, continuing to rank children's hospitals solely on expert opinion for an inter- inter- indeterminate Period while performance data were codified and the means
	of collecting and verifying them settled was felt to be unacceptable
	What that really means is so we were doing this based on actual expert opinions out in the field
	Yeah, and now we've decided that that really isn't the best way to determine how we should be taking care of children
	Like I don't think so We've got the memo right in front of us.
	He flashed it on screen.
	Yeah, this is the memo here.
	Heartfelt thanks for all you do for this number one institution, and most importantly, all you do for children, adolescents, and families.
	It is humbling to get the U.S.
	News & World Report recognition as the best children's hospital.
	Thank you for your contribution in achieving this honor.
	Each year, the U.S.
	News & World Report has slight revisions to their criteria.
	This year, they increased the weight of Commitment to Best Practices and Commitment to Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion and less weight on Expert Opinion.
	Our number one ranking recognized our dedication to changing the outcome together.
	Thanks to Angie Lortz and her team for their meticulous work in completing the survey.
	Congratulations.
	Yeah, Angie, great job.
	And thanks to you for your dedication to our missions of clinical care, research, and education.
	So it sounds like the U.S.
	News & World Report is who Steven should be mad at?
	Yeah, and we have that up here as well.
	Okay, so it says, until, yeah, rankings in pediatrics were included in the initial America's Best Hospital rankings in 1990.
	Until 2007, however, the pediatric rankings relied entirely on reputational surveys of board-certified pediatricians and adolescent medicine specialists.
	So just the pediatricians, board-certified pediatricians.
	Yeah, continuing to rank children's hospitals solely on expert opinion for an indeterminate period while performance data were codified and the means of collecting and verifying them settled was felt to be unacceptable.
	Tiny little.
	Tiny blurb here, yeah.
	They asked RTI International, a U.S.
	news contractor for the adult best hospital rankings, to develop a rigorous methodology for ranking hospitals and pediatrics.
	Okay, my understanding from this is he's implying that this children's hospital is being like, hey listen, we're not going to care about expert opinion.
	No more doctors.
	No more doctors.
	Just vibes.
	Just vibes only.
	Best vibes.
	We got best vibes.
	The only thing that matters here is diversity.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	So what this is saying is just, hey, before this, all we cared about was the opinions of board certified pediatricians.
	Some place could have been amazing for surgeries, but they had abusive staff and a bunch of turnover.
	Or it could have been that it was just a bunch of like old doctors who never changed the way that they did it.
	And there was nothing new, no new technology, right?
	Old technology, but good surgeons or something.
	It's simply saying we've expanded the scope of what makes things good.
	This is a good hospital.
	It sounds like it.
	That's literally all that that's saying.
	I don't understand why you're so upset about it.
	I see what he's doing here with this.
	I don't think this Tina thing is that much of a big deal.
	He's using it as kind of a springboard for, guess what, transphobia.
	And that email was also sent by Tina's executive assistant.
	That's true.
	It was on behalf of Tina.
	Josh.
	A regular.
	Is that his name?
	Josh Fierstein.
	There we go.
	They've even created a trans health center.
	Oh lord.
	The people who have been at the center of, uh, I guess the founders of this health center, uh, this is bone-chillingly scary.
	Again, this is the Mud Club Undercover, the work of all our references are available.
	Lightoffcutter.com, link in the description, because some of this is not publicly available, it's exclusive to us.
	The Trans Health Center is, quote, funded by love, And generous donations from Chris and Jessica Kitchinelli.
	Real quick though, they didn't put that leaked email in their available sources.
	Are you sure?
	It was on the screen.
	More importantly, who are the Kitchinellis?
	Who are the Kitchinellis?
	Well, they also, these are the biggest donors, right?
	Biggest donors.
	Trans Health.
	They also happen to be owners of the Pure Romance sex toys.
	Oh.
	I've never been to that website for sure.
	He was brought into Pure Romance by his mother, who founded the business in 1983.
	So they sell sex toys.
	What's more kid-friendly than these fine products?
	Let's bring this up.
	Yeah, I think that's about him I think we have overlay f2 and f3.
	Oh, yeah, there's lube.
	That's jelly.
	That's jelly put it with peanut butter like a virgin.
	Oh, geez Why why do they always have to allude to children as with like this sex stuff?
	It seems like they're the ones doing it, right?
	It's like it's always happening though.
	It's like Kids, sex toys, kids, sex toys.
	I just really quickly want to say that doing this is like saying that someone who was a stripper could not possibly be a good mother.
	Exactly.
	To think that you can't separate sexuality from like... All that I hear from this is, hey, these people who are really sex positive Care about letting people be who they are.
	Exactly.
	But here's the thing, Dennis.
	These guys are absolute sexless nerds.
	And they can't believe that the sex toy purveyor would donate money to something He's got a dildo!
	Okay.
	They got the freaking vibrator.
	Quick history of pure romance, folks.
	Patty Brisbane, the former pediatrician's assistant, founded something called Slumber Parties.
	It's a company, not the thing.
	Oh shit, the legend is here!
	In 1993 in Loveland, Ohio, using contract salespeople to sell sexual wellness products through home parties.
	It's common.
	It's a dildo MLM.
	That's all it is.
	Well, we'll get there.
	I mean, not just dildos, anything you want.
	But like, you know, back in the day, in the 50s, 60s, 70s, they used to have parties like Tupperware parties, or even in the 90s.
	It was just a classic MLM.
	Yeah, Pampered Chef Party.
	Sure.
	That's what it was.
	It was, yeah.
	Her son, Chris, joined the company in 2000 and expanded the business nationally.
	In 2003, it was renamed from Slumber Parties to Pure Romance, and it achieved $30 million in sales.
	Slumber Party is so fucking good.
	I like it.
	I think it's a better name.
	Bring it back.
	Consultants across 46 U.S.
	states and in the U.S.
	Virgin Islands.
	And then Chris became the CEO in 2012 with annual sales of $100 million in 75,000 consultants.
	Consultants.
	Yeah.
	Pure Romance's headquarters moved to Cincinnati in 2000.
	Pure Romance?
	Yeah, pure.
	Pure?
	Not like... Pure-to-pure romance?
	I mean, kind of, right?
	Kind of, yeah.
	Yeah, they acquired smaller companies like Slumber Parties.
	They ended up buying Slumber Parties and something called Passion Parties in 2014 and 2016, respectively.
	And in 2016, the company, along with other MLMs, partnered with Hawaii's Department of Taxation to handle tax collection from its sellers.
	So, aside from the whole pyramid scheme, though, the owners are fine.
	It sounds like they are people who are business people, saw an opportunity, seized it, right?
	And honestly, if you have a problem with somebody buying sex positive things, I think you just need to get out of their bedroom.
	I completely agree.
	And, I mean, a little bit about Chris, though, real quick.
	Okay, tell me more about him.
	In 2018, in the wake of his eight-year-old coming out as transgender, Chris founded the Living With Change Foundation to help trans youth and their families.
	Okay.
	So the foundation pledged two million dollars to create the Center of Excellence for LGBTQ Health in Cincinnati Children's Hospital, also partnering with dozens of greater Cincinnati public schools to train principals and teachers and eventually bring education about transgender youth into classrooms.
	So this is basically just like the Dylan Steiger's concussion project here.
	Yeah.
	It's a parent who saw that their kid needed support that wasn't clearly available, so they're funding that support.
	They went through something difficult, so they're... Like divorce?
	Such a victim.
	Offering support to people who need it, because they went through something hard.
	Yeah, I don't... It's only hard because of people like Steven Crowder.
	Well, it's only hard because of pure romance.
	I really want people to see this Venn diagram here, right?
	Same thing with drag in Montana.
	People can't separate drag from sexuality.
	Sure.
	Is there some of that involved?
	Sure.
	In the right context.
	Yeah, does Chris Kitchenelly or whatever, does he enjoy sex?
	Probably.
	More likely than other people.
	Yes.
	Does that mean that everything he does is sex?
	Not from what I've seen.
	All day I dream about sex.
	Right?
	Adidas.
	Adidas.
	Very cool.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	I love John Daves.
	It makes me mad because you have to learn to separate that.
	And you can't say that, you know, oh, the football dad who's funding the rotator cuff special surgery is any different than the guy who's, it's just, my kid needs help, it's not available, I'm gonna fund it.
	I've just got a picture of Chris up on the screen.
	Chris looks so kind.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I just pulled up a nice picture of Chris.
	Let's just be real.
	He seems like a normal guy.
	Dude, but you know that he pipes down.
	He does pipe down and I don't want to like excuse him from all his MLM behavior because I don't... It's kind of sketchy and you know... But he's got money.
	He has a kid who needs help.
	Well, he invested pretty deep into those dildos.
	He's gotta get rid of all these dildos.
	All right, well the clinic that focuses on transgender health, it's called the Living with Change Center at Cincinnati Children's Hospital.
	It provides an accepting atmosphere and services for patients 5 to 24 years old and their team of specialists is in a unique position to provide medical and psychosocial support for these children and their families.
	Then you have Gerald.
	You can't make this stuff up!
	You can't make this stuff up!
	A guy who sells pills don't care about his kids!
	The shoe fit too well!
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	This is just fearmongering.
	Gerald is the type of guy, though, that if his hand grazed his wife's hand, he would have to go change his freaking shorts.
	And these people are also founders of the Living With Change Foundation, which supports trans children, and of course their own child came out as trans at eight years old.
	So you now have a hospital being rated as the best children's hospital in the country by their own admission, this private email that we have now circulated, not because of their outcomes, not because of them looking out for the best interests of your children.
	As a matter of fact, if they're starting a trans health center, they may be Actually actively harming your children based on the data that we have available.
	But because they're diverse enough and some people who own a sex shop are willing to front some money to ensure that your children have the same kind of transitional treatment that their eight-year-old child did.
	By the way, we have exclusive footage from the press conference that was held at the Cincinnati Children's Hospital.
	So then he plays that clip from Patch Adams.
	But Robin Williams is definitely frowning about this.
	Oh yeah.
	He's not really into this, I heard.
	Another great modern reference, yeah.
	This story, it's just, it's the classic fear-mongering of Steven.
	He completely misunderstood everything, based on my understanding.
	I could be wrong, you know?
	I don't think you are.
	I don't think I am.
	For one, he talked about how that difference, the change in ranking, somehow came from the hospital.
	When it didn't, it came from U.S.
	News & World Report.
	They are mentioning that that affected their ranking, now they've improved.
	The thing that he quoted was from U.S.
	News & World Report.
	It was not from that email.
	Mentioned in the email, but... I mean, it was mentioned in the email that, hey, we did good.
	Based on these new... We got number one.
	Hey, these guys said we did good.
	Yeah.
	They said that we did good.
	But then he's acting like what that email says is, hey, they changed the rankings.
	We're the fucking best now.
	Get all the trans kids.
	We're doing surgeries on everybody.
	It's just, it's such a surface level, how can I make people upset about it?
	Yeah.
	If you really wanted to help kids, you just, you listen to them and you help them with how they want to be helped.
	Yeah.
	In general.
	Now, of course, there's going to be questions and there's going to be controversy around parts of that.
	I get it.
	Right?
	Especially irreversible things, no matter what that is.
	Right?
	But no one's doing surgery on children.
	No, no.
	And this email is not saying, next step, surgery.
	Surgery.
	Yeah.
	It's not saying that at all.
	Not even kind of.
	Flip the page on the clipboard.
	Let me check your charts.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	No dick surgery.
	Here we go.
	Snap the glove.
	I don't know how someone could not look at this.
	Yeah.
	And realize that Steven's just getting people pumped and getting people like angry.
	They go on though.
	People that are funding a children's hospital are sex shop owners.
	We could not have written it that way and people believed us.
	They would have been like, no, that's kind of, look, I understand that you're saying
	that this is like a pedophile movement and everything like that, but I'm like, but.
	You know what a sex shop.
	Can you believe it?
	That's almost as crazy as a voice actor from the TV show Arthur becoming a weird right wing pundit.
	You can't make this stuff up.
	That honey is too rich.
	Here's what it is.
	Somebody has money, their kid needs help, and they're funding it because that help doesn't currently exist.
	It's literally no different than the kid who got a concussion playing football, and there was no concussion protocols, so they started funding research studies about concussions.
	It's literally no different than that.
	Just because the money was made because someone was selling something totally legal... And that people enjoy.
	And people enjoy, yeah.
	Do you think that... No, I'm not gonna go there.
	Okay.
	I'm not gonna go there.
	All right, cool.
	Let's go!
	All right.
	This one's making me Yeah, that's okay.
	Well, it's good because that's where we'll leave that.
	Oh, that's the end!
	I just wanted to add that, like, the thing that I noticed the most is that, like, Stephen at the end says he wants the expert's data to be the relevant source.
	He's not gonna look at, like, GLAAD, for instance, right?
	Which would, we would say that this is relevant information.
	This is the expert source, GLAAD.
	And that suicide ideation and trans kids not being able to do this.
	Like, that's not relevant to stuff.
	Wrong experts, dude.
	Which is like, what is his source?
	What is his relevant source, I guess?
	And we never actually really get to that.
	It's at louderwithcrowder.com.
	It's not there, I checked.
	It is.
	He said it is.
	I'm sure we'll unwrap that a little bit more as we go, but like, yeah, he doesn't have a source.
	He has a feeling.
	And even the thing that he posted, he didn't understand.
	No.
	He read it and just didn't comprehend it.
	And this was a big get for him.
	This was Mug Club undercover.
	Yeah.
	Well, too bad it ain't a Shrek Club leak, because he would have had something.
	That's true.
	He had a five-sentence memo.
	A five-sentence memo, and one of it was publicly available, by the way, just to be fair.
	The US News & World Report, that was a study that I found really quickly.
	He just happened to have a memo saying, Hey, we got number one.
	Good job.
	That's it.
	That was the entire memo.
	And that was what he got.
	And he didn't even understand it.
	It's a stinker.
	And honestly, the rest of the show is a stinker.
	To borrow one from Steven, just to be clear.
	That's it.
	Fart noise.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	The rest of the show just kind of seemed like we're just doing another ad, another 15 minute ad for Rumble.
	But he brings in his white whale.
	Yeah, after waiting on the line for like 30 minutes Alex guessed, but that's not really your thing.
	So I don't know if we're gonna talk much about that.
	He kind of talks about what he's gonna talk about on his show, Friday show.
	Alex was like a trailer for a show?
	Basically, yeah.
	He said he's teasing some Bill Gates conspiracy theorists.
	Nice.
	It looks like his Mug Club show is just gonna be an exclusive fourth hour of his regular Friday show now.
	Okay.
	So it's not really anything.
	It's just extended?
	Yeah.
	It's like if you wanted to watch a TV show that was on four channels and you just had to keep changing channels throughout?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Yeah, it sounds really cool.
	I did like in this though that Alex reminds us again that we are the dogs cult cancerous ass at this thing.
	The lungs, the heart, the guts.
	The brain.
	The beady shifty eyes.
	And the brain.
	I like that he's just coming back to that the whole time.
	That he just insists on using a dog as his metaphor for all this.
	With a dog's paws.
	Boys, how are you feeling?
	Pretty good.
	And actually, now that... There's also one more thing, and I want you guys to feel what I was feeling too, actually.
	Okay.
	So you said that you listened to this.
	You didn't watch it on YouTube.
	What I would like you to do if you still have it... Well, I watch it on Rumble, so...
	Is if you could just go ahead and, at the very end of the show, Stephen says, Rumble, thank you, YouTube, piss off!
	Ends the show.
	He says that every time.
	But what I hadn't seen, and this was like, I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
	He got this little Rumble logo, and he comes and he helps Crowder, the Mug Club mug, he like helps him stand up, and they like, you know, he's just like dusts them off, they bump knuckles, Then YouTube comes in he's just like this like you know like little little weak beta and he's like oh yeah the rumble logo steps back I forgot about this and he's just smacks the YouTube guy over the head with the frickin hammer
	Crowder, standing off to the left of the mug there, YouTube on his ass, Rumble logo says, you know what Steven?
	Have at him.
	Crowder mug walks up to YouTube mug, whips his mug penis out, takes a piss on the staggered YouTube logo.
	Let's hear about that NDA, Steven.
	I'd love to know more about that and now that we're all caught up with his his return from hiatus We're like we're gonna be diving into the present day.
	Yeah, we are at this point two weeks back, but next week We're gonna be right up there with them.
	How Dennis vibes are good?
	Fives are so strong.
	When we started this, I knew that I was going to get mad about things.
	And today I'm mad.
	I think what makes me maddest about this is his complete misunderstanding of that email.
	It's like, uh, trying to convince people to end women's suffrage.
	And his fucking comment about teachers makes me so angry.
	Well, that's where the new war is.
	They're teaching critical race theory, Dennis.
	What's happening is teachers are quitting left and right, and America's gonna have a big problem with it.
	Yes, we are.
	I read a study or heard something, I can't remember where it was, where they're planning on hiring like school bus drivers to be teachers now.
	Without like a degree or equivalent.
	They are not babysitters.
	No, no.
	They are not.
	And I would love to see Steven try and teach a classroom.
	Imagine Steven teaching a classroom.
	It'd suck.
	He'd drop a gun and hurt someone.
	He'd be like the shitty sub that would just turn on, he'd show that video about the tables.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wonderful stuff.
	Great stuff.
	I'm angry at Steven.
	Uh, Jared, angry?
	More, I guess confused.
	It just, this whole thing is just so fucking stupid.
	This guy's not good at his job.
	He should be better at his job.
	How is he this popular?
	I have no idea.
	Losing popularity, but it's like, if, if we can poke holes in it and we're just hearing it for the first time with, with, it should be easier to be discerning about this stuff, but it's just not for whatever reason for this guy and it's confusing.
	I guess I'm mad.
	I guess I'm freaking irritated by it.
	I'm feeling fine.
	We're gonna get to the bottom of all that, though.
	This is just the beginning, but that's all we have for tonight, and if you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	Until next time, for Jared and Dennis, I'm Byron.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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