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Nov. 17, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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The Right at War: How MTG and Trump Split the Base
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Good day, my friend.
Good day and welcome.
Welcome.
As I prepare back for my jaunt back to the big, the big gojone, excuse me, I have got to speak to you very carefully about what is happening and what is not happening in the world, in our world, and how I do not, for the life of me, understand what is happening.
And I'm going to say it again.
And somebody's got to say it.
The right, MAGA, Trump, whatever you call this, this rift with Marjorie Taylor Greene, whatever you want to call it, is nuts.
Absolutely.
Positively nuts.
I'm going to say this one more time.
What the president needs to do is like they used to do it, call somebody in quietly, send an emissary, send somebody to speak on his or in his stead, rather, and tell them and explain we are not going to be talking about this in public, not on Truth Social.
The same thing he did when he sent that supposedly private letter to Pam Bondi on Truth Social.
I don't understand what is happening.
Listen to me.
Listen.
Listen to what I'm saying.
Just wait.
I'm going to be on it for a few more minutes.
Are you hearing what I'm saying?
Are you listening to what I'm saying?
Are you paying attention?
Do you get it?
I don't think people get it.
Somebody says he isn't known for his discretion.
I think you're absolutely correct.
You're absolutely correct.
I was just tall right now.
I'm yelling.
I'm yelling.
Okay.
This is Elsa.
You guys stop yelling.
This is stupid.
This is dumb.
This is, I was just listening to Cass' Roundtable on WABC every Sunday.
Mrs. L is a regular participant.
Fernando Mateo, who I believe was the head of the Bodegas Owners Association in New York, said that one of the things which is interesting to note, which is critical, is that there were like five million or so new people in New York who voted for Mamdani.
As you can imagine, and I will say again to you, as you can imagine.
They are doing it again to us.
Now listen, you can talk all day long about, I love JD Vance.
We are going to get so screwed.
Look at this.
G. Marie from Minneapolis.
How are you?
How is your, how is your little Mogadishu doing?
Oh, you're not going to believe this is, oh my God.
I talked to somebody the other day at an event we went to.
This is a person who went.
This is a woman who worked for Apple, the company.
And I said, you know, one of the things I'm concerned about is people coming into this country who are not necessarily themselves, who are not necessarily themselves interested in assimilation, but in replacement.
And she said, well, you know, I work with one of the people at Apple.
And with Apple, you know, we have, I'm not going to be replaced by Hindus.
No, no, no, you don't understand what I'm saying.
This is not diversity.
And people are just clueless.
They don't see what's going on.
Again, yes, this morning they had John Casamatidis, who is the owner, the operator, the prelate, the pooba, the panjandrum, the prelate of WABC, was talking about the culling of ostriches in Canada, British Columbia, whatever.
And I'm thinking, do you think they understand what this is about?
No.
Do you think this is about ostriches?
No, this is a precursor to what's happening to us next.
We have got to get out, get off our ass, and pay attention and stop just watching this.
They are going to Trump.
I don't know what he's about.
I don't know.
Did you hear Seb Gorkha, the thing, was responsible?
This is according to who was it?
Roger Stone.
Listen to Roger Stone who said that this Syrian butcher is brought to the White House.
Does anybody know?
Remember the great Casey Segawan.
Does anybody here know how to play this game?
This is amazing.
Look at this.
No one is split here.
Trump isn't going to change or listen to your advice.
That's why Trump is number one.
He's purging the loony right from the party and setting up his successor, JD Vance.
You were out of your mind.
Mr. Charles, you are living in la-la land.
You're into this I don't know why Trump produce.
You're creating this fantasy about, oh, he's 4D chess.
He's purging, purging the left.
What has Marjorie Taylor Greene said that's crazy?
Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, what is Marjorie Tender Green that's loony?
What does she say?
No one has been.
Trump isn't.
He's purging the loony right.
Tell me what's, tell me what's loony about Marjorie Taylor Green.
Tell me.
Tell me what's...
Come on, Mr. Charles.
And by the way, thank you for your tell me.
What has she said that's crazy?
What has she said that is crazy?
If you had a beef with your spouse, your husband, your wife, you were at, let's say, a wedding, would you start having an argument in front of people?
No.
Have an argument, but not in front of everybody.
He loves this idea about, I love to, I don't know what he, I don't, I know he's not going to change, but JD Vance should be very frightened.
And you don't know the first thing about, you don't know the first thing about JD Vance.
You don't know the first thing about J.D. Rance.
Nothing.
You don't know.
You don't know.
She now has people.
She has, now she's worried about, it's true, I'm sure it is, security.
You don't know the first thing about JD Vance.
You like the way he looks.
You like maybe he's big or he's tough.
I don't know what you do.
Do you know the connection?
It's very complicated between him and Palantir, who could be our friend.
He is going to be the serf, the slave.
He's going to be owned by big tech.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
And I told you this before.
The absolute cosmic existential threat to us is going to be AI.
This is interesting.
We have the most, with all due respect, childish, or like, this isn't professional wrestling.
He's going to get Looney right.
You've got that Victor Davis Hansen, another one of these shills they bring in because he's their resident psychologist, academic, who made fun because they're not teaming on.
Listen, sometimes people say crazy things.
I told you before, the one who was bat shit crazy is Candace Owens, but not everything she says is wrong.
Remember the old SCTV thing?
Sure, he's crazy, but what if she's right?
She's nuts.
She is into this.
She's got this hard on against everybody.
She's going to be right and I'm going to go after him.
Okay, fine.
I told you about that.
And I warned you about that.
And I think you knew about that.
But she's not.
Tucker Carlson sometimes goes into these crazy.
By the way, remember, Candace Owens was saying that Obama's gay and everybody's.
Don't, don't, you know.
I don't know what you're trying to do with that.
Seriously.
You know.
Look, it's a free country.
You can say whatever you want.
And then Tucker.
Tucker, one minute he's this.
He's into the, he's a Christian.
He's, he has demons scratching him in bed.
That's all bullshit.
You know what?
But look, whatever.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to.
You lose me with the demon talk.
All right, let's, let's, let's, once and for all, just stop this confusion of metaphorical, theoretical.
Stop it.
But he says a lot of good things.
You're absolutely correct.
Alex Jones, more often than not, is right.
I still stand by him.
Remember, these are commentators.
These aren't people running through office.
Alex Jones is not a part of, you know, he's not a party to anything.
He's just a commentator.
It's like William F. Buckley or something.
And these other people too.
Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin.
You know what that's about.
Look, tell me, tell me, tell me what you're about.
I understand it.
Look, I get this.
I get it.
I understand it.
I am one of the, how do I say this?
I am so beleaguered by this excessive, unbelievable focus on, again, APAC, Israel.
What do you think is going to happen?
Let me tell you something.
See, remember the line.
Remember that Marshall McLuhan said that.
No, no, F. Scott Fitzgerald said that the sight or the test of a brilliant mind is to be able to handle multiple issues, seemingly inconsistent issues, simultaneously and not lose your money.
You can have two this, this, this, this, and this, three, four different seemingly inconsistent things simultaneously and not lose your money.
Do you hear what I'm saying?
You hear what I'm saying?
This is what's critical for me.
This is what's critical.
I understand the APAC thing.
I get it.
America First, I get it.
I understand it.
I get it.
Candace Owens, the Zionist stuff.
Okay, that's fine.
That's very interesting.
I'm not saying yes or no, whatever.
Now, let's move over.
Do you know who is the number one, number one influence on this country that is going to affect us existentially is big tech.
Take Adelson and all this, the AIPAC, put them aside.
They're chump change compared to big tech.
And here's what people don't understand.
And I'm not trying to minimize it.
Whatever they do in Gaza, bulldozing, Jared Kushner's oceanfront property, Israel leaves, whatever happens, doesn't affect us.
Big tech, big tech, AI, you don't even know where this is going.
And Trump and the whole thing, Milani and others, sold their souls to big tech, Altman Gates.
Everybody.
And nobody's going to talk about it.
Because AI doesn't grab people.
It doesn't grab the soul.
But over and over, Ben, I mean, we got the Ben Shapiro, the Mark LeBan, you got the Max Blumenthal, you got Aaron Martin, you got Katie Harper, you got Abby Martin.
And I mean, everybody always genes are just, all right, already, okay.
Is that your only tune?
Is that it?
Is that it?
Are we just going to be stuck there in this circuitous thing?
Oh, look, if I see Tucker deride, berate Ted Cruz again, what is this fixation?
Okay, I understand it.
What do you want to know?
What do you want to do about Israel?
What?
Tell me.
What?
We're America first.
Okay.
What?
Am I stuck in this?
Am I supposed to talk about this forever?
Jesus Christ.
I know it's kind of unique.
Exclamation, exhortation, execration, there isn't.
We can't handle multiple issues.
It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this is this, and there's this other group of people.
There's this group.
I was listening to a number of lectures, fascinating lectures about the notion of communism.
We are involved in something today, my friend, that doesn't have a name.
It is not communism.
It is not socialism per se.
It is something new.
It is a hybrid.
It is something that, again, you want to argue about, see, that's right.
Don't give it a name.
Because there are excuses, they say, it's not capitalism.
It's not socialism.
It's not a planned economy.
It's not this.
It's different.
And it goes back.
You want to give it a name?
How about postmodernism?
Whenever you don't know what to say, call it post-modernism.
You can also call it a culture of Marxism.
What are you going to do that?
There is something that is happening here, and we're seeing it here in New York.
I don't know what it is.
Call it what you want.
But this is the deluge.
That is the invasion I worry about.
Not Gaza.
I'm not saying, again, when I say that, people say, don't you think it's genocide?
Back to that again.
There's this one not Saba, this one trick pony.
That's all they want to talk about.
Is it genocide?
Is it apartheid?
What do you want to do about it?
What do you want me to do about it?
Do you know the people in the anti-in the pro-Palestinian group?
You think these people are legit?
You think all of them are?
Oh, no, no, no.
Remember the weird bedfellows?
If you think all these people are groovy, like Max Blumenthal, who's very good, but he has a mannequin left or right.
He thinks Antifa is nothing.
Max Blumenthal said, what's a, and Max Blumenthal is brilliant, but his whole focus is one thing.
It's Israel bad, Palestinian good.
Was this good?
Well, quick, that's it.
That's it.
There's no, yeah, but What group, if you were a bunch of communists, commie subversives, or whatever you want to call it, what group would you, by the way, I need your likes, I need 300 likes.
Come on, my friends.
I pour my heart out in the middle of nowhere.
You know, what peddling bomb shelter, please.
That's all I'm asking.
Like this goddamn thing.
That's all I'm asking.
Please, please.
Anyway, we need new leadership.
We need adults here.
We need a new party, whatever the party is.
And you, you love this J.D. Van State.
You don't know the first thing of honor.
You don't know the first thing.
You know who has been incredible lately?
You ever watch Whitney Webb?
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Whitney Webb has been 100%.
She has been, she does these two things.
Whitney Webb and Laura Loomer have these two tells.
Not really a tell, but habits, ticks.
One of them is the laugh.
And Whitney Webb, she still says Mayor Lansky.
I love what people in this group pronounce.
Meyer.
How have you not heard the name Meyer Lansky?
How have you not heard the name Meyer?
How have you been doing this for this long?
I never heard the name Meyer.
Mayor Lansky?
Almost as bad as Victor Davis Anson's Melania?
How do you not hear the name?
How do you not hear?
I heard Meyer Lansky my whole life.
Anyway, but they do this thing, which is with Whitney Webb and Laura Loomer.
They do this laugh.
So anyway, and Mayor Lansky, it's almost like, you know what I think?
I know this is another case.
I'm not going to mention who.
Sometimes I get the impression that some people who have a little bit of a little bit of a flat affect, or perhaps might be a little bit of a part of a, I don't want to say, I don't want to use any kind of, some kind of a behavioral, I don't say spectrum, I'll say frequency.
They sometimes have to force and interject false or artificial senses of, I need your likes.
Come on, man.
82?
What's the matter with you people?
Anywho, they interject a kind of a laughing to say, look, see, I'm nice.
I'm reading too much into this.
I know.
It's the shrink part of me.
But she is so calm.
Oh, Epstein, do me a favor.
Get off Epstein.
Get off it.
Nothing's going to happen.
Just stop it.
Stop it.
It's like you worry about what was the cause of Vietnam War.
You want to talk about the Vietnam War?
Not now.
It's over.
Let's talk about something else.
Do the history later.
Now we have to work on this.
So let me just leave you with this.
Stop being this.
I love Trump.
We all love Trump.
But sometimes he is, as we say, ester.
He's like a hardhead.
He perseverates in this.
He loves anger.
He loves this anger.
He loves to spill his guts.
And the air is dirty laundry.
This truth, social.
He just loves it.
It hurts us.
I'm going to leave you with this.
The Democrats never turn each other.
They close ranks.
They never do it.
He should have all of his issues should be quiet.
Threaten her privately.
Sparky says, President Trump had the right idea when he proposed cutting the defense budget in half.
Much of the excessively created inflationary dollars is pissed away on regime change operations.
Thank you for that, Sparky, but understand something.
That is absolutely a drop in the bucket compared to entitlements, Social Security, Medicare.
Remember, that may be good.
That may be, and by the way, the budgets are coming from, you know, everywhere and regime change.
I'm with you on that one.
But just don't fall for this idea that the number one gloat or bloat, as you say, not gloat, a bloat is from entitlements.
And nothing's going to be done for that.
Nothing.
Nothing.
You understand it?
Oh, look at this.
Look at this.
Either you want the Epstein files released and pedophiles held accountable and removed from positions of power or you support.
This is the most simplistic thing in the world.
If you think the pedophiles are in the Epstein list, you're out of your mind.
The pedophiles, you think they're in the Epstein files?
Are you kidding me?
First of all, I don't want the pedophiles.
The pedophiles are people who find young people or children or infants, whatever, attractive.
I don't care what people find attractive.
What I'm after is people who involve themselves in predation, trafficking of children.
Next, I'm going to, out of all of the places, I'm going to go after the unaccompanied children and minors.
But let me tell you something.
The last place, the last place is I'm going to worry about.
If you think Epstein is not even the tip nothing compared to what's going on all the time, you're focusing.
You think that there's going to be this list.
We're going to get these lists of the pedophiles.
And Larry Summers is going to be frog marched and we're going to get him out.
Oh my God, you're so naive.
You're so naive.
This is like they're dangling this little carrot.
Like you think the Epstein file.
Oh, you know what?
Get rid of Summers because he's a schmuck.
If you really want to get after people and find out what happened to the Biden administration, what happened to Hunter Biden?
What happened to what people did to their own family members?
What happened to the numbers of unaccompanied miners who came here and they were forever sold into slavery?
You're focusing on this Epstein thing.
You think that somehow there's going to be some kind of, oh, I don't know what, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
Oh, look.
And do you know how many of these, look at your, look at this.
The number of, quote, minors that were there compared to others, you'll never get the whole story.
And you're not going to get to the bottom of that because it's too complicated.
And remember who started this was Pam Bombi.
So here's the thing.
This is a limited hangout.
And a lot of people are too stupid to realize this.
They think they're putting all their money on Epstein.
Epstein's real power wasn't what he did regarding women.
It's what he did with money laundering, with weapons from Adnan Khashoggi and weapons.
People have just jumped onto the sex part of it.
That's the least of it.
Carlos says his wealth didn't come from any honeypot yet.
Trace the billions shifting hands and the picture gets darker.
Trafficking, arms, intelligence.
Yes, yes, yes.
All district money plausible.
Yes, yes, Carla gets it.
Yes.
Yes.
Don't fall for this little thing about, because remember, he's dead.
Ask yourself, what about Ghelane Maxwell?
Why is more attention being paid for Diddy, who made some homemade hooch in his cell at Fort Dix than Ghillain Maxwell?
So don't give me this bullshit and don't do this high and mighty.
We're going to go to the bottom and the pedophiles.
You're so naive.
That's just go to since the beginning of time.
Sparky says, money printing to finance the Ukraine war are the primary causes of inflation in recent times, which affects the domestic economy.
Listen, money printing is wrong.
But did you just did you just follow what happened when Elon Musk got to the bottom of Doge?
Do you remember that one?
Remember that with USAID?
It's a part of it.
Sparky, I like what you do.
You'll focus on one thing.
It's like you perseverate.
You focus on one thing.
That's it.
And you'll say that, like, that is the only thing we're talking about.
Monkey, money printing, regime change, artificially exacerbated problems and wars.
Yes, that's it.
It's like a dog on a bone.
Yes.
Anything else?
No.
That's it.
That's it.
That's right.
Is that the only thing?
I don't care.
Focusing on this.
Like the other, not caller, but Epstein.
It's Epstein fault.
We've got to get the bottom of Epstein.
Because you can focus on one thing.
One thing.
You can't handle it.
You know, life is an instrument panel.
You've got like 50, 60 different gauges coming in.
Don't focus only on wind speed.
Look at direction.
It's too complicated.
It's more than just that.
This is limited.
Hang on.
This is dangling.
Okay?
When do you think Putin is going to just sit there and say, I'm not going anywhere?
Putin hasn't lost anything compared to this.
Nothing.
He's just, I'm not going to send my men into the meat grinder.
Are you done yet?
Nobody will ever understand the fact that we need those likes.
We goaded Putin.
Nobody wants to say it because Putin's a bad guy.
Putin's a bad guy.
What are we doing in Venezuela?
It's ridiculous.
Blowing people out of the water because they're driving along in a boat?
Wow, man.
I think whoever is the last person to speaks to Trump during the day is the one who gets his attention.
Can I really do?
So what I'm saying is, this gets very complicated, my friend.
We're going to get to the bottom of this.
Sparky says, it's about focusing on the fundamental cause of multiple illness.
No, that's a part of it.
Understand the difference between symptom versus cause.
That's all.
The military-industrial complex and the notion of regime change via MIC and military-industrial complex and NATO stuff.
It's been around forever.
You're right about that.
And it is it.
But if you think that's the reason for inflation, that's it, because of Ukraine, that's it?
No.
It's a part of it.
No, because remember, they're just printing these.
Remember, again, watch.
Stay on the Sparky.
Stay on it.
Stay on it.
And now your next line to me is, so you don't think this is important?
I never said it wasn't important.
I'm saying it's not the only thing that's important.
Yeah, but don't you understand that?
The regime change.
Yes, I understand that.
I'm just saying that's not the only reason.
Yes, but you realize that billions and trillions are, yes.
I'm just saying there are other factors above it.
Which is true, but it's more.
It's like health.
It's like multivariate functions into some kind of pathology or sickness.
In any event, President Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene is feeling neglected.
She wants to be a star.
She's reaching out to Sonny Hostin.
They're playing her.
She should have done it.
He hurt her feelings.
He embarrassed her.
He basically set her up and he took a very important, you should split nothing, no group.
You bring everybody to the White House on the QT and you say, Let's talk about this.
We need to work together.
Are you being neglected?
Have I neglected you?
Have I been rude to you?
Sounds crazy.
It's exactly what it is.
I'm going to say something.
People are going to take offense to this, but you better understand.
She's a woman.
Okay?
And if Trump hasn't learned anything about that, if you have not learned anything about that, if you have not done a psychological MO of her, I don't know what.
Anyway, I got to run.
Have a great and glorious day.
Thanks so much, my friends.
Carla and Sparky, have a great day.
Next time, we'll be back in the big gomead.
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