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Aug. 22, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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Lionel and Shaun Attwood Expose Epstein Files Blockade & Candace Owens vs Brigitte Macron Drama!

Lionel and Shaun Attwood Expose Epstein Files Blockade & Candace Owens vs Brigitte Macron Drama!

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Hey, good evening, everybody.
We have got Lionel back with us, ex-prosecutor, raccoonture extraordinaire.
And one of the main things we're going to be talking about this evening is that the Clinton judge has blocked Trump from releasing Epstein files.
U.S. District Judge Richard Berman deemed Trump's Justice Department not provide adequate reasoning to unseal the highly protected materials.
The grand jury motion was likely a diversion.
coming from the Trump administration.
What do you make of this, Lionel?
I tend to agree.
I hate to say it.
I think, I mean, I would have said it a little bit differently but what the what the judge is saying is is correct little background here my dear friend under the federal rules of of criminal procedure there's a rule called 6e and what it does is it imposes a strict secrecy on our grand jury proceedings now for those of you who I'm not sure if you have an equivalent of this in your neck of the woods,
but we have two types of juries, a petty jury, which is normally the trial jury that hears the case and renders a verdict of guilty.
But the grand jury is a special group of people that determine whether the government has enough evidence, whether there's enough probable cause to bring a charge.
They act as a buffer between the sovereign and the people.
And the thing is, it's secret and disclosure is only allowed under very narrow, strict, and enumerated exceptions.
And the part is, you have to understand that the court has found that releasing records Grand jury would unfairly harm reputations and the due process rights of people named in the proceedings, but who were never charged or maybe there were minors or maybe there are people who just were witnesses or maybe maybe a variety of things the point is you're going to let everything go he also found there's no particularized need there's no reason there's no they
didn't just uh demonstrate any any compelling reason why you have to let this go this isn't watergate this isn't something special so here's the good news And I do agree.
Now let's be, if I could, a little bit, I don't know, conspiratorial.
Imagine that.
What if somebody says, what if the Trump people said, listen, for whatever reason, we don't want to let this stuff out.
So let's make a motion to the judge to release the grand jury opinion, knowing he's going to say no.
So we can say, ah, there you go.
Don't look at us.
We wanted to let it out.
When the judge said, wait a minute, this is your case.
You've got more information than any grand jury.
Let it out.
Go ahead.
List all the suspects.
List all the people that you investigated.
List all the evidence you have.
Not everything you have went to the grand jury.
So they kind of like call their bluff and I agree.
Why the grand jury is special?
What if somebody testified and was reluctant?
Maybe a doctor, maybe somebody said, look, I don't want to be involved in this.
Don't worry, you're your secret.
Okay, I'll testify.
And then that's going to be revealed.
And think about other people may flee.
What if there's derivative cases?
What if there are pending cases that could be compromised?
What if somebody says, wait a minute, they got Atwood?
Well, then I'm next.
You mean he testified?
He said he didn't.
It's so I tend to agree.
Sean, just let the information out.
They've got everything.
It's theirs.
They've got the state of.
They can do whatever they want.
This, if I didn't know better, I mean, somebody somewhere says, we don't want this to get out.
Now, little backward information.
Have you been following the news about this, this Israeli cybersecurity fella in Las Vegas?
Okay.
This is the part that I don't understand.
And I've been, you know, let me just back up a little bit.
maybe you're in the same position.
I'm finding myself, Sean, agreeing with people who I normally don't agree with, who normally for other political reasons and the like.
But you know, there are groups of folks in the MAGA group, and I got to be careful about this, to say this, who were of the belief that there were huge PDF file of folks.
PDF files, yeah.
permeating everything.
Everything.
And there was a cabal from, from, you know, the spirit, anyway, I'm not sure what words I can use, but you know, Abramovich and all this kind of stuff.
And for the longest time, they said, what about this?
What about all this stuff, this Hillary and the Wiener laptops?
Okay, great.
Well, now that they're in charge, they're saying, well, let's hear it.
You're in charge now, and they're saying, well, maybe we're not so crazy about this.
Wait a minute.
You were the one who was responsible.
for making these claims.
You brought up all this.
I can't use the words, but you know what I'm talking about.
Certain types of, oh, I don't know, different types of crusted Italian cheese items that were part of one, and then there was this one, and then there's, so they're making a great point.
Here's what I'm saying.
Either admit you're not going to release this, or just forget about it.
Either just say, we're not going to do it.
Stop toying with us.
Why?
are you constantly it all started with pan bondi who should have just kept her mouth shut when she said first of all she has a list then she has files and then documents.
And then Dershowitz says, I've got files.
I mean, enough, enough.
They're just lying to us.
And I tend to agree with the judge.
You've got to have a good reason to explain this.
Tell me what, now it's one thing, if you are the defendant, let's say you are somebody who doesn't have access to the.
Department of Justice files.
That's a whole other story.
But you're the Department of Justice.
Let us know.
You could say we have 150.0 suspects, and that's it.
And we are going to let you know about some and not others.
Do we still know what happened to Virginia's Ufre officially?
No.
Isn't that something?
How is this?
This is the part that makes me not furious.
But I think I've just given up hope.
This system is so corrupt that I don't even know if there's any words to describe how bad this is.
I mean, I really think everybody, you know, just to dovetail, if you talk to any of your friends and say, I'll give you 50,000 bucks in a new car, if you can tell me what happened in Washington with the meeting with the European leaders and transatlanticists,
trump and putin and what happened they still don't know we don't even know that have you heard all these people the mearsheimmers and this and that all these we don't even know that we're pretending that something happened he didn't even come clean with that what happened you know on the way back, and I know we're changing the subject, but just to go to show you how nobody's answering anything, I'm sure that Kirst Starmer turned to Macron and said, what the f was that all about?
What happened?
Do you know what happened?
And Zelensky says, what about, do I keep the money?
What do I do?
Do I meet someone?
Putin's laughing his ass off because he said, I'm not going to.
So the media.
I blame the media.
God bless Sean Atwood and God bless Lionel Nation and God bless us who say, wait a minute, we're holding you account.
You did nothing happened here.
Nothing happened here.
The other day, somebody was talking about Virginia Jufrey.
And I'm not even sure I want to go back to her because, you know, Sean, not to be corny, but we speak for them.
Nobody cares for her.
Nobody, this was a human being that they used her.
They abused her.
They probably offed her.
And the least we could do was say, is there anybody who has any kind of tox screen?
Do we have any blood results?
Do we have any, can we see?
Nothing.
Recently, there was a case, you probably heard it, of the 98-year-old coroner in the Marilyn Monroe case, Thomas Noguchi.
He has this book.
He says, you know, I want i want to come clean i don't think we did that i don't think we did a great job now he's saying this it's like forget marilyn monroe by the way if everyone talk about that one that's a great one because that's so obvious what about virginia giuffrey what about epstein i know nobody cares about epstein but you know what happened to him and the official story does not comport with the evidence so name it and here's what happened sean they're laughing at us we're just spinning our wheels You're having
a great time.
It's great for the YouTube biz.
Great for this.
But we're kidding ourselves.
We'd like to see somebody at least acknowledge us and just tell me.
Remember the old expression where it says, kiss me, kiss me, kiss me.
I like to be kissed when I'm being, just kiss me.
Whoever's in charge of this, stop lying to me.
Stop lying to us.
Say, we're not going to give this to you.
We're not going to give you this.
Stop having these, you know, Pan Bondi.
What about the tens of thousands of the terabytes?
I mean, it is, do you think maybe, see, this is, maybe you've done the same thing that I do.
I give the enemy too much credit.
I think it's all part of a, of, of a cabal of a sci-up cognitive dissonance that I don't know.
They're doing it on purpose in order to make us, I don't know.
I don't know what the hell to call this.
It's very, very simple.
I have done these things like you, prosecutor, prosecuted cases that you can't believe.
Normally, when you are involved in, let's say there's some case, cases sometimes we've seen it with the Catholic Church Maybe there's a cardinal.
Maybe there's whatever.
Maybe you might want to have, okay, some people, whatever, we're going to, but we're going to give.
somebody up.
We're going to give somebody up.
We're going to give some underling.
We're going to give the guy who works for Microsoft or somebody.
Anybody.
Anybody.
People who are dead.
You know the old, you would know this.
You've had your brushes with the justice.
And by the way, extricated yourself perfectly.
Whom do you give up?
Somebody who's dead.
Bill Richardson.
That's a guy.
Give up somebody who's dead.
He did it.
Who?
The dead guy.
He did it.
He was responsible.
And they'll say, okay, sully his name.
You can't libel the dead.
They don't give up anybody.
Nobody.
And they're laughing to the bone where Ghislaine Maxwell, again, is sitting back saying, now she's in Florida, how much you want to bet she's not even in the United States?
How much you want to bet one day that she's just gone?
She just goes away.
And she collects her money from some Cayman Island account.
She's just gone.
And you know what will happen?
Nothing.
So she's in a minimum security federal prison camp in Texas where it's a violation of the department's rules to even send someone with her conviction.
Right.
And the administration are telling us it's perfectly normal for her to be moved like a double slap in the face on top of the pantomime of pretending to release the files.
Well, she's also, isn't she with the Theranos chick?
So she's like a, so she's, she's, she's, you know, she's laughing her.
I mean, I, literally.
let listen listen i want to make it even more weird okay Let me go back a little bit.
One of the things in my life that changed my life, I never forget it was in school.
We had the black box.
Maybe you had this as well.
well they give us this black box and it was sealed it goes what's inside goes oh don't open it i said i'm shaking it oh there's something round i think it was a there's a marble there's a something sliding and that's what it There's something in there.
I don't know what it is.
I'm not sure, but I can only go so far unless I open it up.
I can only kind of give you an idea.
I think there's two things, three things.
That's what I'm doing with this.
I have an idea kind of sort of of what this is.
I don't even know.
I don't even know.
If I ran this show, I'm going to say, we're going to disappear.
Jeffrey, somewhere he'll just go away and it's all over.
Nobody knows his name, even in New York.
Somebody said, hey, whatever happened to the Jeffrey Epstein.
He just didn't show up.
Huh?
Never find a body.
Cut up a judge crater, as we say here.
Just gone.
Nobody's been in the end of it.
End.
And they close their shop and they probate their will.
And that's it.
Doesn't that make sense to you?
Or, or, or, if you do pick him up at Peterborough Airport in New Jersey, you don't bring him to a federal holding cell and do your dirty work there and put him in a cell with a guy who's looking at the death penalty.
I mean, it's like they do things.
Let me give you an example of something.
Remember, if you're going to do something, do it in front of everybody.
If I walked up, if I said, ladies and gentlemen, you know, there was a guy years ago, it was a terrible case, Bud Dwyer.
Remember the guy who he was giving a press conference.
He was charged with corruption.
And he says, wherever, wait, nobody go yet.
Wait, don't go.
And he has a paper bag and he, okay.
If I was there, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.
What?
What is it?
Just to show you something.
And then bang, somebody next to me.
And then say, what was that?
What was what?
What did you just do?
You think I would do this in front of you?
You just did it.
Do you think I'm crazy?
Seriously, are you nuts?
Do you understand how that doesn't make any sense?
You did it.
And then you're wondering, am I losing mom?
Is it me?
I don't understand this.
Am I?
And then you and I talk and I talk to you and we talk to this one.
And then Dershowitz comes in who throw, I don't even know what his story was.
Listen, I know he was never charged, but Virginia's Euphrae confused him with somebody else.
Who?
Bozo the Clown?
Who?
Okay, that's your story?
Fine.
Who am I to...
Does that make any sense to you?
Remember the cases between David Boies, the lawyer, who was her lawyer, and they were doing all these counterclaims for libel and sat me crossing, and they were suing everybody.
just kind of went away, just sort of went away, just sort of went away.
And then then we have this case to throw to throw again because people are saying do you think there's any kind of an of an israeli Not a Jewish.
Don't say Jewish.
It's Israeli.
Do you think there's an Israeli connection?
I don't know.
Ehud Barak, Les Wexner, him, maybe.
Then we find out this Las Vegas case in Las Vegas, they don't even take his passport.
And who runs Las Vegas?
Miriam Adelson.
Now, put it this way.
It's like, I'm going like this.
I'm hearing animals coming out of this.
What is this?
Is anybody curious about this?
Anybody?
Does anybody say, wait a minute, hold it.
This doesn't make any sense.
Where are the victims groups that say, what about us?
We don't know anything.
And what's happening is that we, Sean, are being, not we, not us, but I mean collective we, the royal we, are being told on a regular basis, just stop asking questions.
We're going to just get tired of this one day and just stop talking about it.
Just stop talking.
By the way, another, just to give you an idea, you know, this Marilyn Monroe story, as an aside, just as an aside, we've known this.
You know, she supposedly, here's the story then.
You don't even need any special DNA.
You don't have to be Quincy.
She supposedly took 50 Nembutol.
She couldn't swallow a pill.
You know, there was no water found in her room.
You know, in the old days, in 1962, they didn't have bottled water.
She had a glass.
There was no, there was no, there was nothing.
That's that guy.
That's Mr. Gone.
But just since 1962, people said, her assistant said, there's no way there were no pills found in her it might have been an enema or something anyway so that's been there that's been there nobody said what are you waiting for i'll talk about it bobby kennedy jr won't even talk about the person who killed his father i don't understand this the kennedy family doesn't care nobody care Does anybody care about the victims of absence?
Who?
We're talking about it.
And let me tell you something.
This MAGA group or whoever these people are, whatever, they were going they were going nuts with this stuff don't you understand that they were going after hilary and this and that and it was this control and the and now it's like finish the job you're in charge mr president all you've got to do is say i'm going to commission i'm going think about this i'm serious i'm going to deputize a a journalistic militia a militia
of individual truth seekers go out do it on your own and we have so we say thank you mr president did we have any of the files?
No.
What about the grand jury?
We don't want the grand jury.
I don't want that.
I want your files.
Department of Justice, State Attorney's Office, or the Attorney General in the state of Florida, which you would have, that I want, that I want to start with that.
Who was granted clemency or who was granted immunity or nothing?
It starts with him.
I can't go any further with that.
I can't go.
And the judge, I'm sorry, he might be Clinton appointee.
He's absolutely right.
Do you believe me, there are people right now who appear only before grand juries because they are told, you will protect me.
And if the word gets out, well, I hope to God nobody asks for your name if you're involved in some kind of a case of some kind of, of some, of some, what am I trying to say?
Some note because we're going to give your name up.
We're going to give it up.
So people are going to say, I'm not going to testify.
No way.
So I understand what he's saying.
So Sean, here we are.
How many times we've been talking about this?
Now the best one, I'm going to throw another one in here that nobody needs it, nobody or somebody should be talking about.
The Diddy connection.
Sean, do you realize this is the guy who beat the federal government in racketeering?
Nobody beats the government racketeering, sex trafficking.
Nobody does.
He did.
What was that about?
Did they do that to maybe to seize files, to put them?
I don't know.
What was that about?
Why is Comey's daughter involved in something, this botch case, mission accomplished, where he walks?
I am still, I've asked all my friends, friends of mine in the legal biz, and it's also Sean, some friends who allegedly are parts of certain Italian-American organizations that know a little bit about this and they're saying beat a racketeering charge.
Do you know that just to give you an idea, when you are brought up on that, the Department of Justice goes through it and says almost guarantees a conviction.
They will say, we're not going to sign this off on this unless this is really good.
And during the Diddy case, I was telling everybody, this isn't racketeering.
And people, we talked about this and people said, oh, you're out of your mind.
You're crazy.
I'm telling you.
Just like I'm telling you, by the way, ahead of time, Candace Owens is headed for a fall, big time.
But nobody realizes it.
Nobody wants to talk about it because we look at criminal cases or court cases, whether we like people or not.
Do we like them?
This is a weird story.
So this makes people have no faith in the criminal justice system.
makes us look stupid.
What exactly?
There Nothing.
What do we learn?
nothing they got back thank you they Trump brought him to the White House.
Here's my hat.
See my hats?
See my hat.
Okay, fine.
And did you see the way they sat in front of him like children?
Do you know how this broke every kind of protocol?
This was like a psych.
This was like a psyop.
This was like, wow.
This was weird.
They gaslighting him, you know.
And let me tell you something.
Okay, y'all happy now?
Now give them a goodie bag.
See you later.
I didn't tell them anything.
Same thing with us.
Same thing with us with Epstein.
They don't tell us anything.
I don't know what they're doing.
Cash Patel, Dan Bonjino, I think he's on the way out.
Now we have this new co-assistant FBI director, we don't know anything.
It's unbelievable.
So my theory is that America is a military dictatorship and that there is only a semblance of democracy.
And that Trump, Trump can only go so far.
may want to end the war in Ukraine.
He may want to release the Epstein files, but you're going up against the military apparatus that's tied in with the CIA and the Mossad and all of this huge network that's preventing anything substantial from being released because they're gesturing over and over again like they're going to release something, but it's just absolute pantomime.
Well, you know, I think Trump put it this way.
Did you, again, I don't know if you have this, but in our in the U.S. here, we have these different I said, what the hell can the student council do?
No, it's a student council.
I said, what can the student council do?
The people who run it are the principals and the school boards and they run it.
I'm just, when little Ziggy sits in the car seat, can you give him that little thing with a wheel?
Oh, look, Ziggy's driving.
Ziggy thinks he's driving.
I'm driving.
You're not going anywhere.
I'm driving.
But you feel like you're driving.
It looks like you're driving.
You might get, you might really honestly believe you have some say in where we're going, my son, but you don't.
I'm running the show.
And what we do is we put on these little panama.
I will let you do some stuff every now and then.
You can go after some, you know, border encroachers.
But for the most part, when it really comes down to it, you're not in charge..
It's a shadow government that runs this.
And by the way, it goes all over the world.
Which is what Kennedy found out the hard way.
And it's why his family are still afraid.
Among other things, not only that, they're also paid off by USAID, AID.
And by the way, we're finding out about that.
We're talking about something.
You know, this is a Gordian knot.
If you've ever been fishing, sometimes you look at the spool and it's so tangled up.
You say, ah, throw this thing away.
I can't untangle this.
It's a mess.
That's what this is.
And so what we do is we love to sit and we love to pretend that we're doing something.
And we love to, and yet here's the best part.
If we say the wrong thing, they shut us down as though we're anywhere near the truth.
Like there's anything we can do.
Wait a minute, did you say Mossad?
Why you?
What's a name they give that's sort of, it's fun.
They love to play with our love of music.
Okay, well, we'll let you down there.
It's a joke.
But the thing we need to do is we need to have some rational people because let's face it, most people are too busy trying to get their own numbers up.
Like, for example, Tucker Carlson.
Don't you think he's lost that oomph?
You know who the two people who I think are the most, next to you, my friend, but the two people who I think are the most interesting?
Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes.
Because they drive people crazy.
They're absolutely like, oh my God, there's nobody who does it.
Even Candace Owens is like, nice try.
Candace has her own.
But of our Charlie Kirk, I mean, there's so many people.
Listen, I can't go through the list.
Tim Pool.
The one who has got people scared out of their mind is Laura Loomer.
Because she talks about something.
And Nick Fuentes.
And I know whenever they say, he's a racist, he's a this, he's an anti-Semite, I like him.
Why?
Well, the only time you call somebody that is when they're saying something that's great okay this is the part that's the most important You got a question from Anne No.
Can Lionel explain more about Candace Owens and how she's going down, please?
You keep thinking, not you, people keep thinking that her whole thing is, oh, I think Brigitte Macron's the man.
I think you're a little sick man.
I say, that's not what this is about.
Do you know, did you read the 22 counts of the complaint?
200 of her pages?
They accused him of everything.
Every crime you can imagine accused her of her, Brigitte, his father.
I mean, just wild.
And then not only that, that Macron himself was part of some intele- whatever it is if you get a jury if you get some i don't want to say middle-aged woman but if you get some sensible woman who comes across and says this woman's a nut and we're going to teach her a lesson.
She's saying stuff that's just crazy.
And then you can say, and then let me explain the next step of this.
For the first time, you're having in our country the idea of somebody, a politician suing for what you said.
Trump did it a couple of times regarding Melania, but she was almost like a private citizen.
But today, people say, don't even bother.
because there's stuff to heave at you.
This is a test case.
The next one, if this is successful, wait till Michelle Obama comes forward and says, let me tell you what you said about me.
me now what happens is remember what's this this is an extension of law fair so when you sit her down and you sit candice almost down and say tell me tell me how you tell me she's a man prove it well i her hands nice try honey you got to prove it I'm going to put on a birth certificate, which is in most jurisdictions, that's as good as gold.
I got her children.
I got the doctor.
I got this.
We're not going to have pudendal inspection and all this stuff.
I'm going to go, so by what, where did you get this from?
two people who had their cases dismissed, not because they were wrong, but because of due process.
Where did you get this from?
See, Candace is on some kind of one.
She's just pissing vinegar.
I mean, she thinks she could see.
She has this thing.
I'm never going off on her, but if you want to know, she has to think about authenticity because she knows she's not authentic herself.
She's a phony.
And the thing that she went, she went after Kamala Harris.
Why?
Because you're not black.
You're Irish or something.
Remember that one?
Whatever the hell that was.
Why?
she hates authentic.
Why?
Because she's projecting.
A lot of people have said said why is this white woman trapped in a black woman's body you have nothing to do with you you've and they've told her you've you've you've denied your race, whatever that means, which is ridiculous.
She's very spartan and talented.
Married some white guy.
You have nothing to do.
Who are you?
So what is her thing?
She hates people who are not authentic.
She goes after Brigitte Macron, not authentic.
Kamala Harris, not authentic.
Why?
Because it's projecting what she is.
She's a phony and she's angry and she comes across.
And now she says stuff.
Let me explain something to you.
There are people who make some very good claims about what Netanyahu and what Israel are doing.
And they have nothing.
They are not in any way construed as anti-Semitic.
I don't believe.
Because they're saying, look, this is not about Judaism, not about religion, because there are people who are Jewish who have the same problem.
But when you hear this virulence, when you see the spittle, the great Zionism, she is, she scares me.
She's, if she, put it this way, she may not be an anti-Semite, but this is what an anti-Semite looks like and sounds like.
I mean, just, So when you sit there and you you say you know i i think that maybe you know there might be something to it okay whatever but she says i am going to and piers morgan and when piers morgan comes across as intelligent, that's how bad it is.
Even Piers Morgan is saying, now, wait a minute, hold it.
And then they're going to do this.
the company, the law firm that is suing her brought the law case against Dominion in the Fox case.
So they want to go after all the people who promoted her, who published her, all the big names, the big Joe Rogans and all these other people, because They're not going to make any money with Candace Owens.
That's a part of it.
And who are these people?
These are the folks who came along and kind of changed and went pro-Trump.
They want to teach these people a lesson because the deep state, the police state, the Intel state, the shadow government were never more happy, Sean, than during COVID when we were so scared.
And all of a sudden, you know, because I think people are saying, is the coast clear?
I'm not going to go into detail, but there's a lot of stuff that's being said right now that you couldn't say, I don't know, a year or two years ago.
So we're, and I'm saying, be very careful because the people who don't think for a moment that once Trump.
leaves office, things are going to revert to the way they were.
So they loved that.
So what are they doing right now?
Lawfare.
Defamation.
Defamation is a way to go.
Defamation.
Laura Loomer brought a defamation case against Bill Barr.
And during the course of her, you heard this about Lindsey Graham.
I know these names you may not know.
But defamation is now, in the old days, we used to laugh at defamation.
There's no defamation.
New York Times against Sullivan.
Nah, you're never going to prove malice.
Not anymore.
Because people are not asking whether...
They're asking whether you dislike the person who said this about Sean.
It's a personality thing.
It's not about, look at Alex, Alex Jones.
I still cannot believe how what he was basically, and I wasn't there, but, you know, Sean, what we do is we always, in many respects, are qualifying and objecting to what amounts to historical notes.
Vietnam, Watergate, 9-11, whatever it is.
What are we saying?
You know, I don't think that happened the way that.
Well, what are we doing?
We're revisionists.
So let's say, for example, let's say that you decide.
to say something where you say, I don't think they landed on the moon.
I'm just saying, let's assume you say that.
So Buzz Aldrin's family sues you because Buzz now has to live in fear because of all of the people that are driving by the house in the middle of the night and threatening him because of what you said.
And you say, wait a minute, I didn't say go after Buzz Aldrin, the astronaut.
See where this is going?
To do with Alex.
It's not what he said.
It's a fact that he basically incited people.
And see where it goes?
Under the rubric of defamation.
Defamation is the new law fair.
And people, once I make you skittish once I have you start doing this I'm just an opinion and my opinion I'm just saying then your show's no good anymore there's no bite to it you got to be able to say something you got to be able to have an opinion that doesn't always preface with it's just like in the old Seinfeld routine where you have to say you know gay people not that there's anything wrong with it but it's my opinion so these are very very scary times I mean we're we are really so dovetailing back to what we said
we are pretending you and I my friends are sitting in the car seat like this and we're talking about this you talked about Diddy what did you accomplish with Diddy anything I
mean other than great I got a few lawsuits lawsuit threats legal letters but the thing is sometimes you have to say something and if a letter for what you see here's the thing when there's a new one going on let me tell you this much um Laura Loomer, who I don't know if she's out of her mind.
She's to me so, I mean, so interesting.
She and Nick Fuerentis, Laura Loomer, now listen to this, was doing it, was involved in a lawsuit against Bill Maher.
Bill Maher basically alleged that she might have had some type of a dalliance with the president and that wasn't true and that affected her as, okay.
Already thinking, okay, well, whatever it is.
And during the course of this, during the course of this defamation or during this deposition, she says, yeah, Lindsey Graham, South Carolina senior senator.
Yeah, Lindsey Graham's gay.
What?
Wait a minute, what?
What are you talking?
What?
She says, well, I'm under oath.
She says, I'm not even asking you about this.
That's what they say.
Yeah.
And, you know, and Jackie Kennedy killed Jonathan.
What?
Well, I'm under oath.
I'm not asking you about that.
Then later, then they're talking about Marjorie Taylor Green.
You heard about this and she has roast beef in her her pants.
I'm going to say, hold it, stop.
What are we talking about here?
What's going on?
Because there's a certain amount of immunity when you're testifying.
We're going kind of berserk.
All right.
But here's my story.
You're Sean Atwood.
You go out there and you say, talk to me.
Talk to me.
Love me.
Pay attention to me.
Notice me.
But don't say anything that hurts my feelings.
Wait a minute.
Don't say anything.
Because I could say, I think this guy Atwood's crazy.
How many times have you said that?
Oh, you're accusing me of mental illness.
That's actionable.
I didn't say, I think he's crazy.
Or I think maybe, you know, I think what he's doing is illegal.
Are you accusing me of a crime?
By the way, that's libel per se.
In the United States, when you accuse somebody of certain characteristics, certain categories, accusing somebody of committing a crime, a woman of being of unchaste character, of somebody having a loathsome disease, you know, I don't know, AIDS or leprosy or something.
damages were presumed.
Well, how many times in the course when you're talking about somebody in office, you go, he's a crook.
Yeah, I think that Ted Kennedy killed, you know, Mary Jo Copecta.
You know, people say this all the time.
They're prominent people.
It's news.
You're telling me that little old me caused what?
And you're also asking, if somebody, I mean, I want to tell like Brigitte Macron, okay, I know this is terrible, but she's Candace Oman.
And if she says you're a Martian next or you're or you're ET, when will this stop?
When do you use your bully pulpit and sit there and say and then level somebody say i'm too busy i've got a country to run here so i don't know about that either i i'm just as much as she may be wrong i'm wondering are you kidding me so why are they bringing a suit what and why in delaware not in france well france has their libel case their libel laws are virtually toothless so what i'm trying to tell you is Now look at the parallel.
In some respects, we have the most punctilious, overreaching, priggish, absolutely schizophrenic lawfare system that won't let anything go.
But when it comes to the biggest predator in the history of humankind, nothing.
Nothing.
Nobody knows anything.
Nobody says anything.
Nothing.
And the only people who said anything, like Virginia Duffrey, she gets sued.
I mean, she's the victim.
And of course, that was dismissed.
That's fine.
Gotta do what I'm doing.
Do you see what's going on here?
It's a joke.
Where are we going with this?
This should shock the conscience.
Our duty as citizens, damn it, we run the show.
These clowns work for us.
They're our employees.
I'm the boss.
And now you're telling me I can't say certain things because I might hurt somebody's feelings?
Come on.
So are you saying that Candace is going to lose this lawsuit and get a huge judgment against her?
most people are betting on it.
Absolutely.
And it's not because, because remember, forget, read the counts, not the bits of the body, think you're a man.
Read the other things, the other counts, but she's saying crimes and, I mean, she went berserk.
She had this feeling and she keeps doubling down and then if if you know you and I can say things and sometimes we can say like well you know and by the way let me just say something I'm not saying that I'm in favor of her being sued I still believe I'm an absolute first amendment absolutist freedom of speech The best you go after her by using your pulpit and you can say,
I'm going to make a fool out of her.
Get your private detectives or do whatever you have to do.
But we don't go into court.
It's like the rule of the mafia.
Never sue anybody.
Ever.
For anything.
We don't sue.
We don't go to divorce.
We don't use the court.
We handle it.
And I'm not suggesting violence.
But what she said, otherwise, like I was saying, if I told you, you know, I believe that there might have been some kind of an MKL.
And you might say, okay, because we're used to it.
We've been studying this for so long and we're aware of it so long.
long that we know that it's not that crazy.
It really isn't as crazy as people think.
This stranger things have actually happened.
Okay, but if you get somebody who says, I don't like this Candace Owen, and now she's saying what?
She's saying that he was a part of the Mossad and the deep say, this woman's crazy.
She's a lunatic.
She's dangerous.
Now let's talk about what we are.
And if we find that, did you say this?
Remember, she has to show that Brazima Macron has to show malice because she's a public figure.
Do you have any evidence that Candace Owens said this knowing these to be false or or?
or with a reckless disregard, and how many times does she have the chance to either correct herself or do that?
And she said, no, I bet everything.
And Piers Morgan's offering all these offers of money.
And it's just, now she's, now she, her back's against the wall.
And maybe she feels like, look, I'm Candace Owens.
Because you know, my friend, the worst thing you can do in this business is ever believe your own hype.
Like you're Superman, like you're impenetrable.
They love me.
And as soon as they lower the boom on you, they'll go to somebody else.
And it's a very, very dangerous thing.
And I'm not.
Remember, aside from this, I respect a lot of what she does.
She's smart as a whip.
She says some things.
But there's this thing that comes across.
You know, give me an idea.
You can say a lot of things about what's going on with Israel.
And I understand this.
Max Blumenthal and Judge Napolitano, these people are very, they never lose their minds.
It's never personal.
I mean, it should be, but it's very, very, That's the best way to be.
They don't lose their mind.
They don't anger.
And it just drips and you think, oh my God, she's her own worst enemy.
Wait, you get her in a deposition.
And remember, this is civil.
So you got to have deposition.
Where did you learn this?
How many times did you get the chance to correct yourself?
How do you know this?
How do you know?
I mean, there's a balance here.
Remember, I don't think what she said was correct.
I just don't like the courts, me a lawyer.
I don't think the courts are the best way to handle these things because this has a chilling effect.
Everybody's going to, and now with the internet, we've got to have, believe it or not, make lawfare even less acceptable because there's more people saying crazy stuff.
You've seen it.
There are people who've come after you and your family and God knows what.
People wouldn't believe the stuff you've got to put up with.
Or you think this is horrible.
And I'm sure people in your family have said, hey, they're talking about us now.
You know, Ziggy's mom and you.
Well, listen, this is like, who is it?
Like, Hyman Ross said, this is.
This is the business that we elected, that we selected.
This is what I got myself into.
Nikki wants to know, don't you think Candace has evidence?
Why don't you show it?
What the hell are you waiting for?
Show it on the air.
What are you waiting for?
You see, the fact that you asked that question means you don't have the evidence.
Why don't you just say, here it is.
This is a, here is a picture about this.
And you know how they always have somebody.
My guest today is Dr. Seymour Butts.
And yes, and I was her doctor.
Of course, he'd be violating.
You know, that might be good.
Where's the evidence?
her hands what somebody said rumors let me tell you something i i was talking to somebody the other day about and again about michelle and by the way i have no feeling one.
My inclination is I would bet against her being a man.
I would bet against, against Michelle Obama being a man.
And somebody even said to me, I've seen those pictures and go, Schmuck, this is AI.
This isn't even AI.
They just put a picture.
Oh my God.
I've heard people say this.
But aside from that, there's an anger here.
And there's something that's really, it's like once this momentum starts, nobody even cares about.
about clarifying this and it gets mean.
And what's the relevance of this?
Why does anybody, and this is another thing too, which I think it's one thing if you're a French, you can say, listen, I'm a French citizen.
This is my first lady.
I don't like this.
You're in Nashville or whatever.
What the hell do you care?
Who cares?
Why are you showing this and this is meanness?
Why are you so mean?
This isn't fun.
You know, sometimes you can say, I don't know.
I think this is a little, you know, but you kind of, it's almost playful.
I mean, you know, you can kind of say, okay, well, whatever.
But this is, this is, this will, this will go down in history.
Put it this way.
There is, ask yourself, find anybody in the community who says, oh, she's got it nailed.
Can't.
They're saying, oh, my God, back up.
And also, it's one thing to sit there and say that not only are you involved in this, but you were involved in that PDF file stuff.
you know, that's a bad word today.
And so now you're talking about predators and this and that.
I mean, you know, this is not, there are.
There are 22 counts roughly.
Not just the, is she a man?
Is she a dude?
No, that's part of it.
It's full.
And this is, so I'm telling you, don't bet on that one.
Even Piers Morgan, when Piers Morgan, okay, who is dumb as rocks, when he does it, when he says, I think I'm going to jump in on this now, that means it's 100% is a sure thing.
Because he never gets involved in anything.
You notice how long it took him to say anything about Israel?
How long did that take?
How long did that take?
I believe that children.
Yeah.
Meaning I've gone far enough.
I've been riding the fence, which is a smart way to be, I guess.
He's like, put it this way, he makes Geraldo Rivera look like a genius.
That's how bad that is.
we've got about 10 minutes left people are asking about diddy and people are asking about comey as well why comey was fired which is kind of because first of all because she's she is she is absolutely She's James Comey's daughter, number one.
They don't want any.
Why'd it take so long?
She has another thing.
I would have had, give me the list, one of the best.
I would have walked into the Department of Justice and said, whoever has a job, take one step forward.
Not so fast, Maureen.
You, you, you, you, get out.
You serve in my pleasure.
What are these people, what are they doing?
Why are we, why did it take this long for this to happen?
Why?
Out of all the people, why is Trump picking?
Dan Bonjino.
Do you hear Dan?
From the core, from my soul.
I have so.
I'm so like, shut up, get out of here.
Then you got Cash Patel, poor guy, you know, Cash Patel, he's, he's, he's kind of, and Pam Bondi, this is, can you imagine the Department of Justice, somebody like Robert Jackson, the famous Attorney General, During Nuremberg, Bill Barr even, John Mitchell, even Merrick Garland, Attorney, she comes out and she just, they just want to get on Fox News.
They want to get on Fox News.
So why is Tulsi Gabbard going on Fox News?
And we have these and we have this.
And here we have this.
These people are, what are you telling people for?
The D ⁇ I Department of National Intelligence, and we're going to do this, and they're telling everybody, up to and including Obama and others, that they're going to prove Russia gate.
What are you doing?
I would have sat back and said, listen to this.
I want your entire audience to think about this.
Imagine, thought experiment.
Breaking news.
What's that?
Dateline, Chappaqua, Westchester, New York.
What is it?
Federal agents have taken Hillary Clinton into custody.
This is a prospect.
This is what you would hear.
There's a drone shot or whatever.
She's being, and you see her getting into the back of a black suburban.
She's taken to Manhattan where she's booked, fingerprinted, mugshotted, charged with two or three counts or whatever released.
People would not be able to sleep.
Hillary Clinton indicted.
Again, I'm saying what if.
It would be, everything would stop.
Nobody would talk about it.
Epstein, nobody would talk about it.
Ukraine, nothing.
And if I were Trump, I would have gone in their first day through my emissaries, through my lieutenants, and said, I don't care how you do it.
I want her charged.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
You didn't hear this from me.
I'm not telling you.
I'm not telling you.
I'm ordering you.
Get her.
Anything.
So far, you know how many people?
Nothing.
Nothing.
Russia gave nothing.
Nobody.
Nobody.
A couple of judges they got for aiding and abetting some of these illegals.
That's about it.
This is the most pisspoor prosecutorial group I've ever seen in my life.
Those people went after.
Today, Trump had his $500 million judgment reversed.
Not the case.
They said, well, it was too much.
They went after him.
They impeached him twice.
got him for the SA.
They got him for this case.
Somebody writing, writing an NDA to Stormy Daniels.
They went after him.
They were going to keep charging him.
They never stopped.
They never stopped.
They went after Roger Stone.
They gave him that four o'clock in the morning, that CNN ninja routine.
I mean, they, they, they, and so far he's done nothing.
They went after, they raided Mar-a-Lago, Mar-a-Lago.
They went through Melania's underwear.
They, they like, lied.
They lied about documents he took.
You think he would be so He doesn't have that Bobby Kennedy, not Bobby Kennedy Jr., but his old man.
He was brutal.
Oh my God, they never stopped.
This is the biggest wimp.
I've never seen.
Sometimes Trump is a genius.
He does some wonderful things.
Let me show you how stupid was the other day.
Do you see this?
This is where I'm screaming.
Christy Noam is a head of Homeland Security or whatever.
She wants to be a model or something.
She got a lot of face work done and she's got hair extensions and she wants to be cute and she's got her outfit and she's got her cap and she just wants to be Charlie's Angels.
They call her.
ice angel or something so they went and they announced there's and listen to this there's a picture of the of the gate of the fence of the gate of the wall whatever in the of the southern perimeter.
And there's Mexicans going over two, three at a time.
No matter how high, I don't know how they do it.
They just climb up.
You make it 10 feet, they go 10 feet.
You go 20 feet, they just do it.
So you know what she did?
Where to God, she announced, we're painting it black.
Cue the paint it black by the stones.
We're painting it black.
Or ACDC, back and black.
We're painting it black.
Why?
Because black paint conducts heat, and it'll be harder to climb over.
It'll be real hot.
I shite you not.
I'm thinking, oh, mom.
I can't believe what I'm seeing.
Cannot believe.
So, we started off with Epstein.
diddy i i and i remember the time thinking they better come up with something with diddy real fast and they didn't didn't will diddy get the maximum judge sentence no he could be he looking at the way it works in this country is you have something called the sentencing guidelines.
And it's a piece of paper and they look at it and they say, okay, what were you charged with?
You found guilty of two counts of this.
Okay, let's say 50 points.
Prior record?
None, zero.
Was he on probation at the time?
No, zero.
Prior receipt?
No.
Violence?
No.
No, no, no, no.
Okay, add the two.
Let's say it's 120.
You turn the paper over.
18 months.
First time offense.
In federal, there's no parole.
You do 85% roughly, you know, routine.
Meanwhile, you get credit for all the time you've been in jail.
From the time he's been in, he could very well be released once he's sentenced.
He's better off just sit there, just be tight, just be quiet.
And he comes out.
Now they're talking he thinks he's going to be going to the Super Bowl.
See, Diddy, this is the problem.
I'm serious.
Diddy thinks he's going to be a hero.
Diddy thinks he got away with it.
Diddy thinks he's going to go back and he's going to pick up.
where he left off, you know, where he's back, just like Billy Batts, when he got out, he thought he could pick up the Shylock and Jimmy Burke said, oh, no, you don't.
Remember that?
Good fellows.
That's what Diddy thinks.
I'm going to go back.
They want nothing to do with him.
He is so radioactive.
He then gets upset.
He's got a gazillion lawsuits coming at him.
He's going to turn around.
He's going to feel like he's been abandoned.
And then he's going to say, you know what?
I want to tell you a few things.
And the guy who never, the guy who, the question of questions, how Harvey Weinstein never, how they didn't say, listen, you're going to die.
You're of no use to us.
Give us something, anything.
Did you know Epstein?
Of course I knew Epstein.
I know every, I know Epstein, Glenn.
I can tell you stuff.
They never touched him again another i don't know why who cares about harvey harvey weinstein was the guy that i would have had him testify i as a defense would so sean i don't understand anything what about the menendez what about the menendez brothers I think those are, I think that ship has sailed.
You know what?
I really, unless there's some kind of just plain old clemency, I think they've done enough time.
I think they're so screwed up.
And I think that what they did, the problem was, is that in our system, you have no defense for.
for I killed my parents because they did this to me.
There's no diminished capacity.
Even though you and I could say, I understand, you know what I mean?
It's brutal.
They acted crazy.
They went back, did it again.
They were partying.
Okay, that was then.
This is what victimization does to you.
I think eventually they're just going to say, you know what, just get rid of them.
Nobody cares anymore.
How many people do you know even hear of them?
or know who they are talk to some of your friends they don't even know who this guy is or who they are they're speaking to the board today aren't they once today once tomorrow and remember what you do is you absolutely say that number one, I admit 100% blame, guilt, responsibility.
This will never happen again because my, I wasn't on a crime spree.
I went after a person who directed their particular torture and predation against me.
This won't, I won't, this won't repeat itself because the situation can't.
I'm older.
I've spent my entire life, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I've got to live with this.
And that's it.
And they're finally going to say, Once I get the okay, I think now it's interesting what Gavin Newsom does remember Gavin Newsom the governor of California, he can grant him, he can commute the sentence, clemency, pardon, he can do whatever he wants.
Why he's waiting, I have no idea.
This would be the greatest time for him to say, I stand with.
the victims of this type of thing, unlike the Republicans and MAGA and EPSTEIN.
You know what I mean?
I stand with these people.
I'm not countenancing them.
I'm not agreeing with what they did.
It was horrible.
It's reprehensible.
But they've suffered enough.
And I think that we have to understand the particular plight and the dynamics, the psychological trauma that these people are in and sometimes they do this because let me explain something the the best example is the reason why you did it is when somebody is in a house that's on fire think of the 9-11 terrible pictures and you jumped out to save your life even though you could die because your your house is on fire they did what they had to do to stop
this may not make sense to you may make no sense why would you but when you're looking at this you're in a house and that place is on fire and you feel the heat this is the only way out it may not seem plausible, but when you balance it, and that's the way it has to be portrayed, I think ultimately they're going to be granted.
Newsom has got to do something.
Newsom, because remember, this is the guy to watch coming up.
He's the guy to watch.
And I thought for sure they were going to swap him out for Kamala, but he could, he's going to be so hard to beat.
And he will do everything in his power, call in all the chips.
Don't be surprised.
But most people, though, Sean, they don't know who these people are.
They don't care about it.
Brilliant, Lionel.
Thank you for that.
What an excellent update looking dapper as well in the beige with the little blue and please support Lionel here is his links they're all in the description box if you watch it on replay they're in the link now and uh any anything you'd like to say in conclusion my friend well let me tell you something first of all um this coming in five days it is my birthday and I just want everyone yes and I expect lots of cash, Kugarans, Bitcoin, Filipino Kugarans.
But one of the one of the best things as I hit to the back nine, as I look towards the end of this, of my, of my valley, my, my, my journey.
God bless you.
And one of my greatest treasures is being friends with you, my friend.
And I'm serious.
We have had more fun.
And you have no idea, people, Sean, you are loved, loved.
We have a thing in this country called nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee, you know, the cake.
Nobody doesn't like Sean Atwood.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Me, people despise me.
And I understand as well deserved.
But nobody doesn't like you.
Nobody doesn't not like you.
Okay.
You're getting nothing but love and happy birthdays in the live chat right now, my friend.
So congratulations.
All the best.
Thank you, my friend.
Let's talk about it.
Have a great day.
Cheerio.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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In 45 minutes, I'm live on GB News talking about the possible release of the Menendez brothers.
So look out for that one, folks.
Going to go and get a bit of a rest now.
And I'll be back in 45 minutes, GB News.
talking about the release of the Menendez brothers.
Let's see what they ask me.
Should be interesting.
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