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April 27, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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Virginia Giuffre DEAD: Lionel Details the Inside Story of Epstein’s Blackmail and Extortion Machine!
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Good evening, everybody.
As promised, we have got Lionel coming on this evening after we've had a huge day of sadness across the world, the outpouring of support for Virginia.
We had Kirby Summers on earlier.
We broke down.
You know, going back five years now, we've been collaborating with Virginia and Kirby.
And other survivors, I've emailed Maria Farmer, I've emailed Juliet Bryant.
Juliet Bryant got back to me saying she's feeling under a lot of pressure today, but she appreciates the love and support.
So if there's any survivors you know, please contact them and just tell them, just give them loving vibes because it's really, people are really traumatized by this.
So anyway, Lionel is going to, as usual, he's going to break it down for us.
And give his perspective and all of Lionel's links are in the description box if you want to support his work.
And thank you for joining us, my friend.
Thank you.
Let me preface this by saying not a trigger warning or whatever you want to call it, but I want to tell you the truth.
I'm going to speak to you from the heart, irrespective of this poor woman.
And I'm going to ask questions which I think need to be asked.
Number one.
Do you believe anything you've heard?
Is there anything where you could say, yes, this is exactly true?
Now, I can't say the S word.
I don't know what algorithms are flagged.
By the way, I'm doing the home of my alma mater, or WABC Radio.
And I do overnights on the weekends, and it's a 50,000 watt monster.
Do you know there are no algorithms?
Do you know on AM radio, there's nothing.
As long as you don't, the irony of this.
This is supposed to be so great and open and we can talk.
I was finding myself, other than the seven dirty words, I can say anything I want because the story happens to involve self-harm and I don't have to think about certain files.
I mean, it's the irony of this.
So, that notwithstanding, the first question is, Do you believe anything you've heard about anything involving her?
What was found?
What the stories are?
Do you believe it?
I know what the official story is.
Somehow she was found unresponsive.
By whom?
Give me the pictures.
Give me the information.
We know more about Gene Hackman and his cat or his dog and what it looked like and his wife.
We're told nothing.
Some cars.
It's where she lived.
Some people bringing some food.
That's it.
What was, who responded?
And I'm asking because maybe you know.
Yeah, so Kirby Summers was on today, who's very close to Virginia, and she said that Virginia lives with her 71-year-old curer.
Okay.
So we're assuming that that is the person that called it in, but it's not been verified.
See?
Now, again, what was the state of her?
What was this?
And I mean, to be specific, who came in and investigated?
What were the pictures?
Where is she now?
Where is her actual remains now?
I don't know what Australian forensics are, but you in the United States, this is a crime scene.
And that person, before being...
Exchanged off or released to mortuaries or funeral homes.
This is a crime scene where scrupulous pictures, data, toxicology, fingernails, absolute, the most incredible inspection.
Like, you cannot believe.
If people saw what it was, every crevice, every fold, every...
Everything you can imagine.
I one time knew there was a case.
There was a medical examiner technician who, by the way, are the best.
Those are the first people on the scene.
And this one guy was doing this.
And I said, what are you doing?
And he said, bullets oftentimes will make a trajectory, hit the shirt, and stop.
He said he's seen everything.
And before you move it...
Before it is touched, this has to be looked at everything.
I mean everything.
Toxicology.
How do we know it was self-dispatch?
How do we know that?
There are four types of, as you know, forms of, actually five, but the acronym NASH, N-A-S-H.
Natural, Accidental, Suicide, Homicide.
Sorry, I don't know how to say this.
I'm trying to give you a textbook.
Unalived herself, that's what we say.
Yes, indeed.
So, you can pretty much look at this and eliminate things.
She's 41 years old.
Did she have, was there any, do we know of any kind of medical condition or anything that might have precipitated it?
That notwithstanding.
How do we know anything else?
How do we know?
Now, a couple of things too.
There are some Not photos, but graphics going around, and you probably have seen them, Sean, of her purportedly saying, I am well.
I am happy.
I am not anticipating anything like this.
If anything happens to me, I've spoken to my GP and my psychiatrist.
I'm fine.
Okay, that's number one.
Alex Jones did that, by the way.
It's weird.
People are leaving these letters.
You know, sometimes on social media you say, I'm okay, if there's some kind of a hurricane, I'm okay, I'm checking in.
Mr. Epstein, by the way, at the end of his life, was explaining to his lawyers how excited he was, how he looked forward to the appeal process.
He was giving monies for various commissaries.
He felt terrific.
He said, we're going to beat this.
So there he was, one of my favorites, Sir Haddad.
But he was, how do I say this?
He was indicating a lot of things.
She, after this car accident, was saying, I've never felt better.
Life is good.
That story made no sense.
The driver said, I don't know what you're talking about.
Either she was driving or somebody else was driving.
Nothing happened to warrant the physical bruising.
When I first saw that picture, I thought this was a mortuary shot or a medical examiner shot or a forensic shot because she had all of the trappings of the facial expression mortis.
As it were.
Lividity.
It was...
I thought, who sent this picture?
Who took this picture?
Why would anybody send this picture?
This is not...
And I mentioned also some things.
She had necklaces and earrings.
When you are in a hospital, and granted...
If you're recovering or that's fine, you have a little jewelry.
But if you were in the emergency suite or ward or department or emergency room, all of that comes off in the event you have to be intubated or adhesive or tape.
We don't want any of that stuff.
So that didn't make any sense.
All of a sudden, Sean, she's gone.
And that was it.
The end of...
How do I say this?
The end of any inquiry.
Nobody follows up.
Not TMZ.
We are the ones who do it.
We have the memory of an elephant.
We never forget.
But we can only do so much.
Okay.
Cut to this.
And excuse me for being all over the place.
Because you know how I am.
I'm very excited about this.
I am hearing.
And you are going to be hearing.
And people are going to be hearing.
Either from the Trump administration or Attorney General Pam Bondi or others.
The number of people who are coming forward and saying, they dropped my case.
We didn't go away.
The Biden administration wanted to have nothing to do with us.
This is what needs to be said.
They made it sound like, well, you know, Virginia Joufray was the only person.
No!
The DOJ, Department of Justice, the criminal investigation was all but shuttered.
They said, if you want to do something, fine, sue them or do whatever you want.
What President Trump has to do is to have a summit with Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, Cash Patel, head of the DOJ, Don Bongino from Assistant Director, have all these women and say, these people were denied justice.
By the Department of Justice.
And now their claims are forever either barred or they are foreclosed from pursuing this.
Maybe we can revive this.
What I'm going to suggest, and I am as, I don't want to say dead serious because I'm doing a lot of inadvertent puns.
I don't mean to be this.
But you know, Sean, I don't know about in your country, but in mine, we have a whole group of people of...
Of African Americans, mostly, who say, we want reparations.
We want you to pay us millions of dollars for something that happened generations ago that we had nothing to do with.
Well, if we can afford that, I think these women, mostly women, who were the victim of this, should be paid by the federal government in terms of reparations for a government that turned their back on you.
They turned their back.
We knew of your enslavement.
We knew of your victimization.
The other way.
It's called, in essence, misprision, where you do not act.
There are countless women you're going to be hearing who said, wait a minute.
It wasn't that we didn't want to do anything.
It was done.
There was nothing there.
We weren't all paid off.
We weren't handsomely remunerated for our...
We were forgotten.
And also, what I hope happens, Sean, Is that this inspires Pam Bondi, our Attorney General, to sit there and say, enough with these files.
We don't want files.
If I hear that black book one more time, or travel laws, we don't need travel.
Travel laws are not Ethel Kennedy's names on the travel law.
What does this mean?
We need to find out two main questions I told you.
For whom did he work?
And who dispatched him?
That's it.
Now we can talk about where are the other records of this and that sort of thing.
There's another thing which is interesting.
I don't know about you, but there is this debate that is going on which is as boring as you can get.
Douglas Murray, Dave Smith, Joe Rogan, Piers Morgan, it's...
It's the same four people talking about Winston Churchill, Israel, bores me to death.
But there was an interesting debate the other night.
It was with John Kiriakou.
You know him, right?
A good man, former CIA, good friend of mine, knows his stuff.
And he happened to be on a panel, Piers Morgan, with Alan Dershowitz.
And the question was, did Mossad have anything to do with this?
The side doesn't sign their name and say, yes, we're going to, let me check their, oh yes, as a matter of fact.
It's kind of like supposition.
And you have Kiriakou here who is, who knows a little bit about this.
And Alan Dershowitz would say, no!
Absolutely, absolutely not.
Now listen, I don't know.
I don't know if anybody actually sits and signs off on this.
But I will tell you that when you have Ehud Barak, Les Wexner, Alan Dershowitz, Epstein, not as agents, per se, of Israel.
But do we have to pretend that we don't know how intel agencies work?
I mean, do we have to keep pretending this?
It's like we talk about it and we stop.
We have to have, and this is the most important thing, during the 70s, Actually, immediately after the Vietnam War, there was either, it was called a Russell Tribunal or a Sartre, notice my French, tribunal, where people would talk about Vietnam,
and you would have people who would meet, and you would have kind of like TED Talks meets X, whatever, debates, and we would talk about this.
We need to have fora, tribunals.
Where everybody comes forward for posterity.
State your name for the record.
This is what happened.
What did you do?
I turned my information over to the FBI.
This is a picture of me.
This person, this person, this person.
To have a citizen's tribunal, a citizen's grand jury.
Not just a bunch of great little YouTube shows, a Candace Owens order, which is fine.
We need to have our own tribunals.
We need to tell people, this is what happened.
So it is there as a matter of record, in one place, for historians, this is my name, this is where I was, to get the full story.
Now, by the way, warts and all, and that means this, Sean, there are a number of women, I'm sorry, who will come forward and say, look, I didn't have a bad, I...
Made a lot of money or I might have been underage or not.
I could have left.
Nobody forced me.
That doesn't excuse it.
But remember, these people were not pulled into a white van and forced at gunpoint to do this because the last thing anybody would try to do to elicit information in a honeypot is to have women, girls who are trembling,
who scare the John.
Or whoever the target is, where he says, what is this, a setup?
What is this?
You want to have people, if you're going to have something to record, they have to be okay enough with it that they don't see message.
Am I making sense here?
So, all of this has to be laid out.
We have to hear everything.
We have to have the toxicology, up to and including Epstein.
We have to have Dr. Baden testify and explain.
This is why it was not self-offing.
These are the evidence.
So that you want to sit back and say, oh my God.
Because once you look at the totality of it, you realize, who's responsible?
Biden administration.
They could have stopped this.
They were the ones in charge.
Not only that, the whole world didn't want to know this.
Because the oligarchs, the power elites...
Don't want us to get into the habit of thinking we can upset their apple cart, that we can embarrass them.
They run the show.
A lot of people are saying, I had nothing to do with this, but how dare some peasant YouTuber tell me I've got to come forward?
I'm some Etonian Oxford Don or wherever the hell I am.
Oh, no, no, no.
So this is...
It's so sad, but I hope that we take her, her death, and this inspires us, this puts a flame under us to say, let's keep going with this.
In her name, she can't talk.
She's trying.
I don't know.
And let me just say, and I know I'm talking a lot, and I can't help it.
People are going to try to make her out to be a nut.
They're going to say she's crazy and there was a custody problem and she did this and maybe she did drugs.
Try going through what she went through.
Try going through that.
Everything in your life is turned upside down.
This is not what you bargained for.
This is not it.
And the picture that infuriates me more than anything is the picture of her with Andrew.
Andrew, who can't sweat because he has anhydrosis.
This liar, this predator, this reptilian coward who basically tells the world, you don't understand.
I'm Andrew.
I don't care about you.
You mean nothing to me.
You're just some wastrel.
You're some strumpet, some courtesan.
Get out!
I just scrape you off my shoe.
I'm done.
I'm a Windsor.
Maybe.
This is this attitude that he has in others.
These women are nothing.
Remember Epstein during his deposition?
It says it all.
Watch that.
Look at his attitude.
Can you believe they're asking me?
Do you know who I am?
Do you know who I am?
And let's tell people who he is.
Let's tell how he came from nothing.
How he went from being not even a college education.
To working at this high-priced private school in New York, to have Bill Barr, to be with Bear Stearns, and all of a sudden, if ever there was somebody groomed, you know how we have these ideas that somebody was pulled out of nowhere, put into the position,
all of a sudden, you're going to be our guy, and we're going to set you up with everything.
Look, here's a house.
Les Wexter, give him the house.
Here's this, the largest private...
Home at the time in Manhattan.
In Manhattan.
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, and nobody ever says, who is this guy?
I know people in New York right now, you know this, I can swing a cat, a dead cat, and hit a billionaire.
I know billionaires.
I mean, not that it's, it's not that uncommon.
And one hedge funder told me, I know everybody.
You don't do what I do unless you know everybody on the street, on Wall Street.
I never heard of this guy.
I never heard of him.
Who is he?
Jeffrey what?
Did he trade?
At least Bernie Madoff had an office.
He had people pretending in the Ponzi scheme.
This guy, nobody questioned him.
And the people in the...
Media intelligentsia, the cognoscente, the ones who wanted to get to know him.
Nobody said, hey listen, hey sure nothing, nothing over here, but who is this guy?
Let me check.
Let me pick up the phone, call my friend at NYPD.
Who is this guy?
What's going on here?
And, and I'm sorry I'm doing this, but I can't help it.
When you are Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, you are privy to Your own private security connected to every other agency, law enforcement.
Everybody knew who he was.
Everybody!
How did they say, Mr. President, if you want this type of action, we can go to countries where I guarantee you this will never...
I mean, what are you doing with this man?
You're with Prince Andrew?
Do you know?
And MI6 probably picks up, and my father calls up, there's a CIA, they all know each other, and they say, Scotland Yard, and every intel agency, they're probably saying, what's going on here?
Does your guy know?
Why is he here?
Why are you doing this?
You do know this happened.
You know, this also happens in this wonderful event.
Have you ever heard of, I'm sure you've heard of it, but this wonderful term called yachting.
Where all of a sudden these people are saying, hey, listen, are you a B-grade actress?
Why don't you come on out and hang out?
Hang out with us.
Make a couple of million and you can hang out.
And then I can tell my rich friends, hey, would you want to hang out with Lindsay Lohan?
I'm just picking up a name.
I'm not suggesting.
I'm just picking up a name or Kardashian or whoever.
Sure.
And what do I have?
I have a boat.
In international waters.
Wired for sound.
Same thing.
Happens now.
It happens.
Now, this is going to be, I think, slowly kind of worn out when we have different other ways of using electronics to blackmail and the like.
But this is going on as we speak.
And don't forget, whenever you see any group of actors, at least, whether it's Academy Awards, BAFTA, anything.
Anytime the elites meet together in any organization, that's where it comes up.
Do you know the number of people with a lot of money who say, you know, they kind of expect us to be involved in satanic ritualized behavior?
Yeah.
You never know.
Whenever we do this and that, we get our name.
Whenever we're with Abramovich or whatever it is, we have a certain This is kind of groovy.
You know what?
This goes back to Anton LaVey, to Sammy Davis Jr.
This is...
That kind of stuff builds up.
And pretty soon you're saying, you know, this is pretty interesting.
So you've got these freaks meeting together in places with cameras.
I mean...
And Sean, you've met these people.
They feel impervious.
They feel, I don't have to worry about this.
I've been doing this for years.
I'm doing it easier.
Well, if they get me, they're going to get him.
It's what we do.
We're better than the rest.
We're on another planet.
We don't pay bills.
And years before Elon Musk and Doge came along here in our country, there were people who were being paid left and right.
From funds and NGOs nobody heard of.
And be on the lookout.
George Clooney, as I told you last time, is on Broadway in a play called Good Night and Good Luck about Edward R. Murrow.
You might have seen him.
He has his hair dyed to play the role.
I wouldn't be surprised if they promised him the Tony Award for all of his dutiful service over the years as a pliant Rube of these folks.
Not only that, the dirt they probably have on him.
The more we investigate Ghislaine, the more we investigate Virginia, the more we investigate Hollywood and Clooney, we all find out, wait a minute, this is all kind of interconnected.
This is very interesting.
It is a A cabal, a cadre, a convocation, a consortium of this corrupt idiocy.
And just pick one area and start digging.
You're going to find something.
And this tunnel leads to this area.
There's something that's happening in this country.
I'm seeing it now more and more.
We're talking more about geoengineering and the great Dane Wigington is talking about this.
Richard Gage is now back meeting with architects and engineers for 9-11.
People who are talking about certain immunization protocols are coming out again.
All of the people that were suppressed.
It's like a herpes flare-up.
You thought it was that.
Well, we're flaring up.
And all of a sudden, if you notice, people are talking about stuff that a year or two ago, nobody would have ever gotten near this.
And so forth saying, did you get away with me?
Is it okay?
Is it safe?
Is the coast clear?
Alex Jones is making this tremendous apotheosis, this Phoenix-like revision.
We're taking, we're back in control.
I don't know about you, and the elites are scared big time.
They don't know what's going on.
How do you like that?
Brilliant, man.
The interweaving of many threads and a grand scope.
Let me just add a little bit, though, as well.
Good.
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Just a few little details I'll add from the people who have told me who know Virginia.
So, Virginia was essayed and R-worded from her early teens before...
She fell into the clutches of Maxwell and Jeffrey.
So imagine, viewers, the years and years of trauma this poor woman had.
So I was also told that she had a pre-existing kidney condition from before the mysterious crash with the bus story that came out last month.
And Kirby Summers also said today that the guy she married, yeah, even though he got her away from Epstein and Maxwell, He'd been abusing her and beating her up, and he cut her off from seeing her kids.
So you've got this, you know, escalation of stress in her life from within her own family.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you were...
Well, let's go through this.
Number one, I don't know anything about her prior situation, but I will tell you this much.
There is a...
How do we say this?
There are people, especially adult predators of children, are the most adept at picking out the wounded, the vulnerable, the weak, the...
It's like the cheetah, the Serengeti, you know, or the Savannah, whatever, waiting, and it says, that one.
That little gazelle, that's the weak one.
I notice a bit of a limp.
That's my target.
They also exude not only a vulnerability, but a sense of, I only know victimization.
I only know this.
The way that I interact, the way that I establish my bona fides, the way I am rewarded my worth throughout my life is in Unwilling participant in these behaviors.
They don't want to do that.
They don't realize it.
They've never known love.
They don't know anything.
It knocks them off.
If a tree grows like this and all of a sudden it veers off, well, you can straighten it up again.
But it always shows this vulnerability there.
And you can't get away with it.
And people, they attract people who pick up on the victimization.
Another thing too.
And I'm not saying the case of Virginia because I never met her.
There are some women and girls who have learned to be, oh yeah?
You don't care about me?
Well, I don't care about you.
And I'm going to get you before you get me.
And I know how to play this game.
I'm not saying that, but there are some people that you will meet and you say, these are not very nice women.
These are predators.
No, they're not.
They learned this.
This is a defense mechanism.
They're getting you before...
You know the case of Eileen Wuornos.
Eileen Wuornos is the only female serial killer.
No, she was...
That's all she knew.
That's all she knew.
I can create this.
We have something in this country called the abuse...
It's a defense, the abuse spouse defense.
Learn helplessness.
Where we give you...
We say, look...
When you do this to somebody, you don't know when they're going to fight back or how they're going to fight back.
Imagine this woman, Virginia, when you see her and you...
Thank you for being so proud.
Thank you for being so brave about my victimization.
Did she ever do anything?
Is she ever known for anything?
For doing anything other than that she was in the clutches of this person?
Kind of thrown around like a rag doll, like a possession, like a toy.
Here I am standing next to him.
Here I am over here.
Here I am rubbing my...
This isn't the notoriety she wanted.
And I don't care how much money she gets.
I don't care how many millions.
What is her life and her innocence worth?
What?
And she's one of millions!
Millions!
It's...
You destroy these people.
And we're seeing, Sean, more and more, and through my wife's work and I'm seeing this, more and more, we're seeing levels of victimization.
Let me give you an example.
The other day, there was a huge rally here in New York against Meta.
Do you know what's happening with kids right now because of phones?
There was a fellow, you might have heard of him, John A. Light, or A. Lee, he's a...
Not a mobster, but he was in the mob.
And that notwithstanding, his daughter, his daughter took something she thought was a Percocet or something, and there are people being killed, not overdosed, but poisoned.
Where did they get this?
On the phone.
You should have seen this rally.
People holding up pictures of their sons and daughters are saying, I don't even know what this is.
They didn't do anything wrong.
We're seeing, I know that this is different, but victimization over victimization, not only from individuals like Epstein and others, but digital victimization, big tech, bots going in, preying on little kids.
It's at levels of predation you've never seen.
And the number of people in the world who are so scarred and hurt and damaged.
And you don't have to go full Virginia Giuffre.
You could go through 50% of what you went through and still be permanently damaged.
This is all over the place.
So we're having generation upon generation upon generation of people showing levels of these horrors.
And it's just...
It is so depraved.
And we're also becoming habituated to it.
Pickles are saying, oh, there's another one of these.
Oh, there she is.
How much did you get?
And the lawsuit with Dershowitz.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They're in it for the money.
I love that one.
They're in it for the money.
They went through this for the money?
I mean, it's beyond anything.
But here's the thing.
We cannot, we cannot Let this go.
We have to have something.
President Trump has to say, I have a permanent committee on this.
And we're going to find out.
We're going to publish.
I mean, as it happens.
I'm going to call our friends in Australia, and I don't know how good, because that's not exactly the bastion of free speech, as of late, if you know what I mean.
But I want to see a copy.
Of any kind of toxicology, any kind of autopsy, and I want to have independent sources look through this.
Number one, we have to look at the evidence.
We have to find out what happened.
Tell me the circumstances again.
Who found who?
What happened?
What did she do the last night?
Where did she come from?
Was she at a party?
Was she home by herself?
Did you report?
Was she crying?
Did she eat?
Was she on the phone?
A circular phone bill?
This is because people don't just wake up sometimes and say, you know what?
Goodbye, cruel world.
Doesn't work like that.
There are indicia.
I want there to be a thorough forensic investigation, toxicological investigation, forensic medicine.
I want this top to bottom.
And I want people to remember this.
And I want them to say, we got to be careful here.
We don't want to be the next Virginia Giuffre.
Remember that one?
We thought we could slip her underneath, you know, just kind of slide her under the rug and nobody would care.
They never went away.
And I don't mean...
That weird JFK stuff.
But I mean tribunals of people.
And to have President Trump say, well, Australia, what are you going to do about it?
Here are your suspects.
Here's what we've...
Force these people.
Make us stink.
We have a three-day rule in this country.
Three days and we forget about everything.
I want to have a thorough review.
Get Michael Biden and other people to go thoroughly through that, through the...
Have Elon Musk offer a reward.
Find me.
Give me the information.
Let also the great crowdsource investigators that you have right here, people with incredible ability to parse through the crap and say, this doesn't make any sense.
You know, we have an expression in the South, that dog don't hunt.
It's like, there's something wrong with it.
This doesn't make...
Talk to her children.
How was she dealing with her husband?
Were there any problems?
Also, what about, I don't know how the probate.
Who inherits?
Was there a trust set up for the kids?
Does the old man get the money?
Who gets this?
Where are those funds?
And also, she was talking about reviving and reinvigorating new levels of investigation.
That was interesting.
Till we'll find out people that she worked with, what was she saying, where were you on to?
We can't let this go.
And we have to have people who know what they're talking about, Sean, and stop saying, I want to see the...
The black book and the...
I don't care about that.
That doesn't matter.
Think critically.
Do it for her.
Because she can't speak anymore.
She can't speak.
You know, it's funny when...
I don't mean it like that.
But when you see somebody in a medical...
on a slab, they're telling you.
They're saying, I can't talk.
But look at me.
I'm giving you hints.
I'm giving you clues.
Look at the way...
Look at how long...
Look at my...
Time of death.
And look what they said.
Look at my pattern.
Look at the way I was sitting.
Look at this, the blood pooling.
This is lividity.
This is liver mortis.
This is inconsistent with what they said.
Look at my stomach.
I'm sorry to say this.
Look at my stomach content.
Look at when I last ate.
That's not what they said.
There's so much...
People, when they do things, they never think about covering up their mistakes.
It just happens.
And they think, well, nobody will look into it.
You always leave information.
Seal that room.
Do not let anybody in.
Do not contaminate the scene.
And make sure everybody there who is protected.
I mean, we've got to stop just showing interest.
Oh, that's Sean Atwood.
All them crazy people there.
He just likes to show a bunch of conspiracy theorists.
Goddamn right I'm a conspiracy analyst.
I'm not going away.
Period.
So, folks, if you've got any questions for Lionel, as you can see, he's absolutely on fire tonight.
Please don't forget to subscribe to his channel.
I'll put it in the live chat.
It's in the description box.
So put your questions in the chat.
And we've got one here from Release.
And why did Virginia unalive herself all of a sudden anyway?
She survives a car crash, then unalives herself.
But why all of a sudden did she do that?
That's the type of stuff which I think is brilliant.
People have to...
Look, how many times have you heard this?
What about so-and-so?
You know, ever since he came back from the war.
Ever since his wife died.
Ever since he lost a job.
Ever since he got sick.
He hasn't been the same.
He talks about this...
That's one thing.
You say, okay, well, at least it's consistent.
People do not do 180s.
People do not say, goodnight, everybody.
That's great.
Can't wait to see my baby.
She always talks about her children.
My babies.
I want to see my babies.
I want to see my babies.
Remember that weird note?
She says, well, I'll tell you what, if anybody told me that a car was anything other than a tin can, going, oh, by the way, I got into a kidney failure.
That was...
So bad.
Now here's what I do, and maybe you do it.
I don't know if these people are stupid, acting stupid, deliberately.
Am I thinking too much?
Do I say, why would they do this?
Why would Epstein?
I've always asked this.
What are you doing?
You could have disappeared him anywhere and nobody would have known anything.
Nobody knew who he was.
But you do it in a federal lock-up?
Now, it was either done deliberately or they're stupid.
I don't know.
Do they act stupid to throw this off?
Am I giving them too much credit?
Am I...
I don't know.
Why would...
What do you think this woman posed now in terms of...
Any kind of threat?
Now, what is she going to say?
Every time people start, I'm sorry to say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.
Look, Virginia.
It's over with.
You've got to understand this.
Ghislaine's away.
He's dead.
Come on.
It's time for us to move on.
Then you're going to feel like, what are you going to say?
No, I've got new evidence.
I know.
Epstein is the bad guy.
You're right about that.
Okay.
And another thing too is, listen, you said one time Alan Dershowitz was involved with it, and then you said you made a mistake.
It was a misidentification.
Are you misidentifying somebody else?
How do you not remember Alan Dershowitz?
Look, I'm not going to second guess this, but, and then we're going to get into impeaching the witness.
You know she's not well.
She's going through a lot.
She might go through substance abuse.
She might have had this.
She lost custody of her children.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Why does she want to go through this again?
She posed no threat to anybody.
What are you going to do?
What is she going to say?
In fact, in a weird way, the longer somebody remains, this is an aside.
This is an aside.
But one time, years ago, speaking of Alex Jones, somebody said, you know why I know you're full of, you know what, yeah.
Because you're still here.
Because if you were really dangerous, you wouldn't be here.
So they said, so, do we keep him alive to disprove that he's, or do we not?
I mean, you see what I'm saying?
I don't, I give these people so much credit, and then I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking myself into not conspiracies per se, but These labyrinths that make no sense.
Alright, next question is from Gavaldo.
Lionel, do you think we'll ever hear anything about this again, or will it be completely forgotten about by mainstream media?
The latter.
I'm sorry to say this, yes.
Because they're moving on.
As an aside, have you heard what people are saying?
I know that not everybody's a Catholic, nobody cares, but if you don't understand the power of the papacy, you're not paying attention.
The story behind Bergoglio, Francis with Ratzenberger, and him not being the Pope, and the St. Gallen Mafia, and have you heard this?
I have a video, not to push it, but at Lionel Nation, where I interview a Roman scholar.
Oh my God, you think this is good?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
I mean, if you want pure, unadulterated, Kubrick-like, Perry Potter, was he really the Pope?
What about the boss?
Anyway, when you tell people stuff, and you tell people the truth, remember, little lies are hard to keep quiet, or hard to keep secret.
But big lies are easy.
If I told you the real truth about the Pope, you would think, I'm out of my mind.
I'm crazy.
This doesn't exist in 2025.
Wanna bet?
How about when you have a Pope from the year 200?
Do you know what that's like?
Do you know what it's like, speaking of your royal family, when you were raised in a group of people and from the time you were a kid, somebody says, William, Do you know who we are?
Do you know who we are?
Divine, right?
I mean, do you know who you're?
Great, great, great.
We are bad.
I mean, it's...
And we don't do...
Did you catch any of the...
I'm not changing the subject, but did you watch any of the Pope's funeral?
If somebody from another planet came and said, what are they doing?
Well, they're celebrating somebody's life.
What is that?
Red beanies, candles, light, doves, smoke, there's signals, symbology.
I think this thing would say, what is the matter with you people?
Oh, and you see that?
That's been going on for the past 2,000 years.
This ceremony, this is who we are.
We're like, really?
We have certain people, oligarchs, who think.
They're better than you.
They live in a world where they, by virtue of their education or their bloodline or their prominence, they think they're better and they think they can get away with anybody.
And when it comes to children and women, the objects of this, this rapacious lust that often accompanies their greed, they figure that sky's the limit.
I take what I want.
Shut up.
You're a serf.
You're nothing.
I'm not kidding you.
I'm better than you.
I'm Hollywood.
I'm the president.
I'm Joe Biden.
I went to a better school than you.
I'm posh.
You're not.
I'm black, but you're black.
I'm African.
I'm better than you.
It's this.
And there are some people who just...
Let me tell you something.
Why would anybody, if you think about this, I don't want to get too far afield, but why should we care about, I'm sorry, I keep saying that, about Virginia's Euphraie, when there are thousands of people in parts of the world who are just systematically liquidated in a matter of a course,
like, well, they had it coming.
Collateral damage.
What are you going to do?
And I don't want to get too specific.
But we don't care about life.
Why should we care about Virginia Giuffre?
Who is she?
I've got...
If I can blow up hospitals, if I can go around the country and just destroy water systems, if I can spread contamination via a lot of things, if I can advocate eugenics, which...
Virginia Giuffre is nothing.
That's just...
We are so corrupt as a people.
We are so vile and evil.
Let me go a step further.
People aren't good.
They're just not bad.
The people will say, no, you're not good.
Not you, of course, but I mean the royal you.
You're not good.
You just don't do anything bad.
You don't hurt anybody.
We're not that terrific.
We are the worst animal.
Animals don't do this.
Animals don't do this to each other.
I mean, a dog and a cat, they don't even kill each other.
Ah, they might make a mistake, but they're into signals and hey, hey, hey!
They don't do it.
Every time and every now and then there's a bonobo here and there, but you know how they get.
You know how they act.
Think about this.
We are this vile.
Have you ever seen when you see these pictures of a mother holding her dead chimp, the baby?
And the mother won't let go.
Or elephants surrounding a calf.
And did you know that when a calf is born, they surround it to look for predators.
And they look for each other.
Pods of whales and not circadian, cretation.
These animals that have paralymbic systems where they feel loss.
Like, people feel color.
These are the highest order of animals.
And we're at the top of the food chain, and look what we do to people.
I don't want to get too anthropomorphic here, but we're...
Why does Virginia's Euphrates fool...
She's nothing compared...
We do this all the time!
Every single day!
It's...
On the subject of animals, you've got a question on the subject of animals, or rather, reptilian blue bloods that do not sweat.
Uh-oh.
And the question is from Laura.
Do you think that Prince Andrew is worried slash sweating right now, or happy with the news?
Sweating.
Because everything was fine.
He is fine so long as she is okay.
He is, the best advice for him is for him to say, I hope she's fine.
That's behind us.
Because there's nothing worse than...
But now he's thinking, oh no.
Who did this?
And let me tell you something.
Somebody's picking up the phone and telling Pam Boddy and Cash Patel, what are you going to do about this?
Are you going to sit back and issue another...
You're going to have to get in on this.
Now, how do you know other people?
By the way, the sweating is anhidrosis.
And by the way, bromadrosis is the excessive sweating.
Time out.
Can you believe what an idiot this guy was?
If Prince Andrew said, listen, I'm going to go on TV.
What?
You're going to what?
No, you're not.
No, I'm going to go.
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
Pick up the phone.
Call Liz.
No, no, no.
No, I'm going to go and...
You're not going to straighten it out.
You're going to say something stupid because you are stupid.
We have a fellow here.
I know this is...
Amy says I'm off tangent.
I define the tangent.
There's a fellow named Shannon Sharp.
You might have seen him with Cat Williams.
Professional football player.
He went from obscurity to making more money with one interview on YouTube than he did in his entire NFL career.
And he puts...
He puts in text messages to women he barely knows how he wants to them in a text message.
Okay.
Why?
Because he's Shannon Sharp.
He's NFL.
I'm on TV.
I'm a millionaire.
I can do whatever I want.
Nothing.
It's all over the place.
You've got Andrew.
What was Andrew doing, walking with, didn't, again, MI6, MI5 never told him, what are you doing with this guy?
What are you doing?
Do you know who he is?
Yes.
Get out of here!
Didn't Ku Stark, didn't you learn?
Don't worry about him.
And the best, by the way, this is more your neck of the woods.
What do you think ultimately?
Look what's happening to the Royals now.
He's through.
Harry's going to come down and come back.
He's done with that.
We've known this forever.
They're going to start corralling.
And Wills is going to be in charge.
And we're going to put it, this is enough.
This is over with.
We're going to fix this.
I mean, the harm that you...
And I'm not really a monarchist, but I like the Queen a lot.
Listen, that's your tradition.
And it's one thing, you know, let the tradition fall apart for other reasons, but not because of these retardates.
I don't understand it.
That notwithstanding, we have a three-day rule.
This happened on a Friday, Saturday morning.
By Monday, it's forgotten.
I talked to somebody the other day who was in the news business, who was preparing to do something for Virginia's Euphraie.
So what do you think about that?
Well, yes, I know, but...
Is there anything about this that you find at all kind of interesting?
And she said, no.
Why?
Because they would have told us.
Oh.
Isn't that weird?
Do you ever think, Sean, that maybe there's something wrong with us?
I know there's something wrong with you, and that's in a good way, but why is it that we become so alarmed and so offended by people who do?
Things to people who can't stand up for themselves.
Why are we working ourselves into a ladder?
We're not going to change anything.
Nobody's going to listen to us.
I mean, maybe they will.
But what is it about us that basically makes us who we are?
Because we hate to see injustice.
We can't stand it.
And injustice means somebody saying something that's not true, somebody taking advantage of somebody else, whatever you want to call it.
It drives us crazy.
Or it's so obvious, You're intellectually, you're offended that somebody would ever think.
I don't know what it is.
But we'd be so much better off of being, ah, you watch your football team, root for whatever you do, take care of your baby, relax, what are you working yourself up for?
But you can't do it.
What's Lionel's view on the Black Pope?
Thank you, Iron Man.
Black Pope, anti-Pope, the...
What we're going to find out right now, out of the Cardinals, 109 out of whatever it is, remember something, just for that you want, just so that, and by the way, this is not about being a Catholic.
Bergoglio Francis was the first time there was a kind of a third world, non-Italian, non-European Jesuit.
Oh, my God.
The Pope's army.
Remember, the Jesuits from the beginning, they were, oh, they're religious.
They're like the, I always say they're like the SS.
This is terrible.
But like the private security, the savak, you know, of the Pope, of the papacy.
It is so, whatever.
But watch this video, because remember, Under the rules of the church, there ain't no such thing as you stepping down.
It doesn't work like that.
Where you step down.
Okay, I've had enough.
Remember J.P. Deuce, John Paul?
This poor guy was, he couldn't even stand up.
And they were like propping him up.
He said, let me go.
No!
You've got to die.
Okay.
And Ratzinger says, okay, I'll back off.
I'll go off to another one.
But come here, Francis.
I want to talk to you about something.
I know what's going on.
How he was allowed to escape the fate of the first time, Paul, it's...
Alright, next question is from Danny.
Why is BBC News subtly referring to Virginia as an Epstein accuser instead of as a victim when reporting on this news?
Is this intentional media programming on the masses?
Absolutely.
You don't think the BBC knows the word?
Accuser?
Look, we all do this stuff, alleged, alleged, alleged.
Accuser?
She's a victim.
What are you talking about?
The accuser?
How long do we refer to Sharon Tate?
No, she's a victim!
Deep down, somebody is saying I can imagine Some BBC head one night working late at his office.
And the phone rings.
And he says, that's my private line.
Nobody has a number.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes.
Sean?
It doesn't matter who I am.
But don't go too deep.
There are many of my friends involved in this.
It's not about Epstein.
It's about him.
Take a picture.
Let it go.
You'll be handsomely rewarded.
You see, there's an old Sicilian expression that says, if you can get in trouble for saying a little, think what happens if you say a lot.
Do you think this is...
And by the way, if you went out and said, what are you looking at me for?
Why don't you say that...
To the country or the intel agencies that did this.
Do you think?
Here's the question.
Do you think that Epstein was just some kinky guy who says, I got an idea.
I'm going to wire every square inch of my planes, my islands, so I can watch my tapes later on and just not turn these over to anybody.
No, no, no.
Just for me.
And I'm going to systematically come out of nowhere, recruit all these women to basically stand by.
24 hours in these ninja teams of masseuses.
Just for me.
And me and my girlfriend, Ghislaine, just do this because we're just kinky and weird.
You think they did this on their own?
This was not a...
I mean...
And do you understand that when you bring this to somebody, they look at you like, you're crazy, Atwood.
You're out of your mind.
You're just, you're sick.
You see demons where, no we're not.
We know how the world works.
And everybody knows about this.
Everybody knew about it then.
Who are the Epsteins now?
Who are the people now to take over?
That's what I want to know.
Because this isn't ending with him.
I'm sorry.
Luke wants to know if you know about Epstein's eugenics ranch in New Mexico.
I knew about a ranch in New Mexico.
Eugenics, I'm not particularly sure.
That I know nothing about.
But remember, you always see a link between the supposed rich and science.
Remember, was it Werner Erhard from Est years ago who hooked up but wanted to know people like Hawking and others because scientists are always there.
They admire them.
Changing nature, changing life, immortality.
A lot of the people, Ray Kurzweil and others who believe in artificial intelligence, they want to do it almost to extend mortality.
It's always been a kind of a theme why they always love this.
And eugenics, listen, remember what Philip said, his dream is to come back as a virus.
And to wipe out half of the population or whatever.
This is the mentality of these people.
Yeah, and don't forget that when Virginia was in Thailand, where she escaped from, Maxwell's plan was to bring her back and to have the baby with Jeffrey, and they were going to pay her some money and have her sign all these legal papers to hand the baby over to Epstein and Maxwell,
which is rather scary to think about.
Isn't that something?
But think about that.
Think about that.
They could have done, you know, they could have just adopted something.
Why go through that process?
Why?
There seems to be this idea of creating life, being a part of it.
You know, the doctors, the fertility doctors who end up inseminating thousands of women, you know, this ghoulish, you know, everything that you've seen in every scary book, every Plot came from somebody thinking what other people think.
That's all.
It's just this idea of I can release something that can destroy America.
Or the Ubermensch.
Or the superhuman.
Or the super ray.
Or whatever it is.
Or there's always been these recurring themes.
But remember, they didn't go away.
There are other Epsies.
Remember, I think that notion of extortion and honeypot is kind of over with.
I think that's, you know, they put an end to that.
It's like the end of the obscene phone call.
Caller ID took care of that.
I don't think you're going to be, I think people are going to be saying, yeah, her?
Yeah, I'll go on your plane.
Yeah, who is this?
Hey, hey, hey, who is she?
They're not going to do that anymore.
But then again, there are some people who are so crazy that say, I don't care.
Because you don't know who I am.
You can catch me in flagrante delicto.
It doesn't matter.
I'm somebody special.
Great men don't stop for red lights.
So Amy's wondering about, yes, Maxwell will get to know.
Virginia's no longer with her.
Maxwell is in Florida federal prison, and they have phone access, they have letters, they've got visitors, they have a TV.
So, you know, this is international world news, so she will know.
I'll ask Lionel, does this affect Glenn Maxwell's legal situation at all, if she's trying to peel out or anything?
You know, it's interesting, if anything, if, again, give me a scenario where, okay, scenario number one, Glenn says, listen, I think I know who did this.
And I can help.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nobody cares who did it.
Maybe.
No, no.
Let me out so I can help you.
No.
Because they made a deal.
Again, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody said, Ghislaine, you've got your family.
Yes.
You know what happened to your daddy?
Yeah.
You know what happened?
Good.
Play your cards right.
Do your time.
Won't make it as cushy as possible.
And then when you get out, we'll give you a piece of paper, either a Bitcoin chain or whatever it is, or some kind of a...
Some kind of a Cayman Island or whatever.
Well, thank you for this and you'll be done.
But if I were Ghislaine, I would say don't buy the green bananas anytime soon because remember, she's somebody...
Do you ever see old mafia movies where somebody says, you think he...
Was it Casino?
You think he knows?
You think he'll say anything?
Same thing with Goodfellas.
You don't think he'll say anything, do you?
No.
And as soon as you say that, why not eliminate the possibility altogether?
I'd be very careful if I were Ghislaine.
Very careful.
By virtue of these people.
Because if she's the only one, Ghislaine and Epstein, that's it.
That's it.
It's done.
Rosie wants to know, do you think Ghislaine took a deal with Hyatt for a few years and then promised an early release and this is all part of the plan?
I think that the fact that she's still alive probably authenticates that and she will get...
Bill Cosby'd out at some point when she's not in the news as much.
I think it's her family.
I think one of the...
Remember, one of the reasons...
You recall here in New York in the late 70s, the son of Sam, David Berkowitz, one of the things he said later on, he says, they were satanic cults and they threatened my family.
And I'm going to say whatever you want to do this.
And by the way...
That case is another one where people said that case stinks.
And it is.
It's true.
It's another one.
You see, it goes back to what I said.
Incredulity is what keeps people from thinking this.
Can that be?
Are there really that people?
Yes.
Are there really people like this?
Yes.
Having babies and the perpetuation of the race.
Yes!
There are people who are just, they have nothing, but Bill Gates is the classic Machiavellian guy who wants to play with mosquitoes and this and that.
He's got nothing better to do.
Oh, Warren Buffet wants to make his money.
Elon Musk wants to do good, but Bill Gates, Bill Gates, the nerd, huh?
The guy with moobs and gynecomastia.
The ugly weirdo.
Okay?
I'll show you.
I'm going to control.
How about Klaus Schwab supposedly being investigated and who's the interim head?
The head of Nestle.
What does Nestle run?
Water.
Water.
As I've said before, casus belli of the future is water.
Hydro-imperialism.
Hang on to your head.
That's for another debate.
These people are just.
Here's a guy saying, I think that water as a human right is a, wait a minute, who are you?
Yes, I think that oxygen is basically, everybody has the right to breathe.
Excuse me, who are you?
I'm in control of the oxygen.
I think like this.
It's not enough for me to make money.
I've got the money.
I want to be, I want to be powerful.
I want to be like Lex Luthor.
I want to be the evil genius.
I want to be this.
I want to be every...
This is what they love to do.
This goes back to Bilderberg, Davos, G7.
Go back to any of the secret groups, the Gabals, the Illuminati.
Just mention it.
What do you think?
Look at the...
I'm sorry.
Look at the Catholic Church.
Look at the priest walking around with the red shoes and the robes and whatever and ask yourself, come on.
What does this have to do with Jesus?
Come on.
Seriously.
In the name of Jesus!
In the name of Jesus, praise God!
Thank you, Jesus!
Do you think Virginia's passing is similar to Marilyn Monroe's passing?
Well, in many respects, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out one day that Marilyn Monroe was dispatched with either the Confederation, the co-conspirators of Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford, that she very well could have been injected with a A very powerful,
barbiturate-like via enema.
Sorry, because she couldn't swallow pills.
She was a person who was about to squeal and maybe perhaps was pregnant.
Maybe.
Maybe.
You know, I've often wondered the rumors of if, do you think that Princess Di could have been with child, with Dodie's child?
Do you think that in the weird reptilian world of Prince Philip, he would say, I will not have the mother of the future king of England sire that?
You and I can laugh at that.
We can think this is, you know, this is Harry Potter, whatever.
To these people, they live this.
This isn't a joke.
It's all they have left.
They're so bored, they concoct these hierarchical games they play.
They actually think they are superior, just like in the movies.
Amy wants to know if you think the same forces that unalived Jeffrey unalived Virginia?
Who else could be there?
How could you have two completely disparate groups of people who went so far as to want to have these two interrelated people dispatched but independently without conferring with each other?
What?
I mean, shared interests?
You know, I want her gone.
I don't care about Epstein.
I want Epstein gone.
I don't want her...
But if both of them gone...
And also, remember something.
No matter what anybody tells you, Sean, people always think to themselves, you know, is it worth it?
We always say, pick the hill you want to die on.
Is it really worth it?
The next time any of you folks think about blowing the lid on some big shot out there, anybody, just remember, you see how easy that was?
Hey, did you hear?
I said...
I always tell people, what's the name of the guy who killed Epstein?
What's the name of the guy?
We don't know.
Ah.
And what's the name of the one who got Virginia?
We don't know.
Ah.
See how easy that is?
They do it.
Put it this way.
I will...
I'm sorry, but I am a very...
I think the potential for doing what you would call evil, but I'd be a little bit better.
I would say, okay, I'll make this person go away, but it's not going to be like this.
They're just going to just slip away.
And that's it.
It's so easy.
In rural Australia, I can just drive up and that's it.
It's gone.
And end of discussion.
And you can talk about it all day long, but there's no corpus delicti, so to speak.
There's no body.
There's no nothing.
I don't know why these people do it.
Same thing with Epstein.
Why do you do this?
There used to be a case here in New York, remember Gemini Lounge, Roy DeMeo from the Gambinos, who would basically get you and make mincemeat, literally, and did you...
Gone.
I don't understand why these people leave evidence for toxicology.
I don't understand this.
If that's what they wanted to do.
But it depends upon what is it.
If she was found, it seems to me, I would think, if the S word is involved, it would be some type of self-inflicted.
Some kind of chemical or something.
Maybe something that she had.
That's it.
Because that's what they said.
She wasn't Suspended.
It sounds like they found her either in bed or something like that.
And no note?
Do you think anybody, and I'm not going to say this, but a woman who was, I'm not saying she's a megalomaniac or an egomaniac, but do you think somebody like that would let her final moment without a statement to forever signify her end?
Her frustration, calling out names, a person who believes in...
She wants to be a whistleblower.
She believes in setting the record straight.
You think in her final moment on earth, her denouement, she would just say, you know what?
I've said enough.
Absolutely not.
She would have had to be opened on the occasion.
She would have had somebody else do it.
She's smart enough.
She has PR people.
She lives in the world of PR and image.
You think she's going to just all of a sudden say, that's the way I want to go?
No way.
I'm going to write out specifically.
I'm doing this because.
And you have to.
That's another thing.
You have to do a site.
I'm not trying to make her out to be.
But anybody who hires PR people, anybody who has been, who's done hair and makeup, who is.
Look at her social media platform and ask yourself, this is a woman who's going to just leave existence with not a word, with narrowing words?
Uh-uh.
No.
It would have been well thought out, handed to somebody.
I'm going to read this.
I can see it right now.
They'll find me together.
We're going live from Sydney or Adelaide.
And they go, what's this?
It's your friend.
Virginia gave me this to read.
I have copies of you.
What is this?
Who knew?
Did you check for this?
Was it in her?
And then she reads the list.
Kind of a deathbed confession.
Believe me, I'm not showing disrespect.
I'm not camping this up.
I'm just saying any woman who was smart enough to realize how to make the message well known would not have missed this opportunity.
I mean, and think about this.
When Gene Hackman died, there wasn't foul play.
We knew everything.
His wife was at the checkout.
Here she's buying fruit.
There's the dog.
Here's Gene Hackman.
Here's inside.
Here's the house.
Here, nothing.
Not a photo.
Not one photo slipped out.
Do you know what that's worth?
Do you know what Harvey Levin would pay for a photo?
Anything?
Nothing.
How do you know she was even there?
How do you know, and I'm sorry, that that picture where she appeared to be already dispatched, how do you know that she wasn't?
Did you hear the name of the doctor from the hospital?
No.
Her physician?
No.
Did anybody?
This is one of the most famous people who was involved in...
Not one doctor.
I'm going for, I've got kidney failure.
I'm going to this hospital.
And the hospital didn't say, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
We don't know anything about.
Nothing.
It's just, nothing happened.
And they said, oh well.
Next thing you know, she's fine.
I'm glad to be back.
Got a lot to live for.
They're going to be studying this one for a long time in terms of how people reacted.
Like I said, Lionel's on Firefox.
We've got 3,500 watching live now.
Please support him at his channel.
I put it in the live chat.
And it's also in the description.
However, many other people have disappeared or been unalived in this case.
I mean, Jean-Luc Brunel was the other main one, wasn't he?
The other purer.
Right.
Who else?
I mean, you don't really need necessarily to do...
You don't need to.
Bernie Madoff didn't have people.
You don't need to do this.
There's nothing.
But here is the question.
Where?
Imagine the president said, Kash Patel, yes.
Where are the individual pieces of evidence seized from the various, from the mansion in New York?
Where are they?
I'll get, no, no, no, no.
You're the head of the FBI.
Pam Bondi, you were in charge of the Department of Justice.
You're the Attorney General.
Where is this?
Show me the file.
Who went in and seized it?
Where is this?
Where is it?
This is the most important stuff ever.
And by the way, not only tapes there, but New Mexico, the Lolita Express.
Where is it?
Anybody ever ask that question?
Anybody?
Anybody ever ask any of the folks, who owns the property now?
Whatever happened to the disposition of the property?
Did Les Wexner get his money back?
How did that figure?
There's just no interest.
Do we know?
Why did you give him a power of attorney to control your wealth?
He didn't know anything.
He didn't even go to college.
Nobody said anything.
Nothing.
Nothing.
It's the most...
Nobody.
Question from Tracy.
Lionel, do you think now they can't take anyone to court who is in the black book because the main witness is not here anymore to give evidence?
What does the black book say?
Unless someone says, black book, April the 5th, Sean Atwood, five girls, Flaming Spears, the Mongolian Fire Dance, loincloth.
They're not going to write down what you did.
They're going to say, show that one.
By the way, keep going.
Ethel Kennedy, the mother of Bobby.
Keep going.
Sam Donald.
Just go down the list.
Hundreds of lists.
Keep going.
Read the rest.
The Black Book.
I don't care about the Black Book.
See what this is?
This is a thumb drive.
This is it.
This is what I want.
I want that.
I want the hard drive.
I don't care about this black book.
What do you think?
Let's one, two, four, all end this.
What's in the black book?
What does that mean?
Unless somebody wrote down.
And if you wrote it down, I'm in court.
I do introduce into evidence what?
The black book.
Excuse me.
Authenticated.
What is this?
It's the black book.
Whose black book?
Epstein's black book.
Ghislaine, can you do that?
Yep, that's the black book, alright.
And did you write in the black book?
Who wrote it?
No, you didn't?
Okay, so you can't testify as to what it means.
Who wrote that?
Epstein did.
Okay, how do you know this?
Do you know his handwriting?
What does this mean?
What is this black book they're talking about?
It doesn't mean anything.
What's important is the videos.
That's what matters.
Alright, next question is, what about the note saying she was going to take her own life?
She would never take her own life, sorry.
No.
Right, that's exactly right.
She said specifically, not only that, her countenance, her attitude after the accident, she says, it's great to be alive, I'm great to be a part of this, I'm great to have survived this.
You know, and also you can see, what was her demeanor like?
Talk to her mother, how was she?
It was great, we were out that night.
All of that comes into play.
All of that comes into play, absolutely.
Alright, next question is, a lot of people are asking more conspiratorial things, such as, do you think Jeffrey is still alive?
And do you think that Virginia...
Well, let's talk about this.
Is he still alive?
I know there were people who were saying that his ear, the oracle, or the fold of the ear, you know, did not look like...
If he is not alive, do you know what it takes not to have that happen?
So Ghislaine was lying.
The jail was lying.
The medical examiner was lying.
The ambulance driver was lying.
Dr. Michael Bodden was lying because he saw the autopsy.
The family members, the people who basically probated the will, the person who signed the death certificate,
Where is he?
Where is he going to be?
Where is he?
What?
Newcastle?
What is he doing?
Hanging around?
Where does he go?
Where does he go?
Years ago, people were saying, remember the old days, they said, I think John F. Kennedy Jr.'s alive.
That was my favorite.
I was like, wait a minute, what?
Where's he going?
What about his wife?
She's alive too?
So I don't even know what that means.
As far as her being involved in Newcastle, what was her father?
What was her father?
This guy was...
You know, Sean, the Intel world does not have this thing where you have a business card and you sign in and you get a paycheck.
You're involved tangentially, you know, you're involved not necessarily as an active agent with a badge, but you're in the system.
Don't you think Epstein was?
I mean, what else could it be?
It goes back to my question.
Do you think he was just some kinkster who decided on his own?
I'm going to collect these films, these tapes, just for my own pleasure.
I'm not going to use them against anybody.
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright, next question.
This is a good one, Danny, and it does require some thought.
I would love to know the answer to this, actually.
Was the identity of the person that instructed U.S. Attorney Acosta to leave Epstein alone ever disclosed?
Well, let's do this.
I don't want to be...
Let's ask our friend, Mr. ChatGPT.
Who ordered Acosta to release...
Or to agree to the plea agreement regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay?
Let's see what that says.
By the way, I'm a chat GPT.
Forget Google.
This is the way to go.
This is very interesting.
Are you still there?
Yeah.
Hang on a minute.
Did I lose you?
Hang on a minute.
No, we're here.
Uh-oh.
I'm by myself.
It doesn't matter.
Don't worry.
Maybe you were doing that other thing.
Let me tell you what I'm talking about.
I thought maybe you were doing that thing we were talking about.
It doesn't matter.
It says in 2008, when Jeffrey Epstein was prosecuted in Florida, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida was Alexander Acosta.
Epstein was facing serious federal charges for allegedly trafficking and abusing charges that could have put him away for life.
The plea deal was if he pled guilty to two state-level prostitution charges, not federal charges.
He'd serve only 13 months in the private wing of the Palm Beach County Jail with work-release privileges.
The deal protected Epstein and his co-conspirators.
And his co-conspirators.
Now remember this.
Now, to the direct question, who asked or ordered Acosta to cut the deal?
Acosta has claimed in public appearance that, He was pressured by higher authorities.
And during a 2019 press conference, after the Epstein story exploded again, Acosta said he was told, quote, Epstein was connected to intelligence.
Leave it alone.
It was above my pay grade.
So while Acosta did not name who exactly gave him the instructions, he hinted that intel agencies or Washington-level players pressured him to back off.
So, we do not know.
But when he came out and basically said, it's Intel?
I mean, that's it.
That's all you need.
Just like we don't know the specifics of the financial transactions with Wexner and Black.
So, Danny, why is the DHS, an agency specifically created to combat transportation, so afraid to speak about Jeffrey?
One of the things I think is that when you live in a world of this, you are told, institutionally, you're not going to make a career benefit if you go out of your way to push this too far.
Sometimes you might want to let things go.
You know what I mean?
Okay, I got it.
Who's going to push it?
If Pam Bondi, you look at the top, look at nobody else.
If I were in charge, the first thing, I would have my own special.
I would be the first Attorney General to have my own online special.
Part one, the accusation.
Part two.
Part three.
For posterity.
Nobody would know what to do.
I would say, this is exactly what I have.
And this was all killed during the Biden administration.
That's what I would say.
I would make sure it was killed there.
That's where this is.
Not during the Trump administration, during the Biden administration.
I think Amy is intimating the Clinton, hashtag Clinton body count, asking you about Vince Foster.
Oh no, Vince Foster, again, was, the official story was, he was so depressed.
He came to Washington.
He just got to Washington.
This was a guy who was, you know, he just could not handle it.
He just got there.
It was like two days.
He goes, I can't take it anymore.
And they fought him at Fort Marcy Park.
And the gun.
Remember, always look at the specifics.
Look at the crime scene.
Look at the labs.
Look at the toxicology.
That's what you need.
Look at the pictures.
And then maybe, you know.
Eyewitness and that sort of thing.
Everything's on CCTV.
Everything.
That tells you everything.
So, do you believe that John McCaskey was suicidal?
We had his wife Janice on around the time and she believed so.
It was a conspiracy.
You know, I don't.
Sometimes things are exactly the way they seem.
Sometimes it's just...
And we always have to prepare or prevent ourselves from going too far.
You know what I mean?
From jumping in as the default, so to speak, goes.
Where we immediately say...
Where we begin to assume it's a conspiracy of bad people.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
But when it stinks...
And when people don't immediately dispel it, it just does nothing but fortify the idea in the first place.
Because if there was nothing to it, they'd say, no, here it is.
This is what happens.
Sometimes things just happen.
I remember in the case of, remember Robin Williams, that horrible case.
He had Lewy body syndrome, and nobody really knew what that was, and it was hard to believe that somebody that funny and that happy, little did we know the horror and the torment that he went through.
You know, it takes a thorough investigation, but I will tell you right now, I don't believe any of this stuff.
I know that's what they're saying.
Thank you very much.
I'll take it into consideration.
But I don't believe anything.
She was found unresponsive, and that's it.
Found unresponsive.
They call the emergency program.
That's it.
All right.
We're almost at the hour, folks.
Your final questions in for Lionel before we go over to the Ryan Dawson response to this, the recording that I'm going to play.
We've got Rosie.
Who do you think benefits the most from Virginia's passing?
Oh, well, you know, in a very strange way, the people who benefit are the people who want to see justice for Epstein, because you've just martyred her.
It's not that she is not able to give testimony, because she always was, and I don't think her testimony is that critical, but you just...
You know what is the Yamamoto line?
You've awakened the sleeping giant and given it a terrible resolve.
Now there are people who say, you know what, I didn't really think there was nothing to it, but now I do.
Especially now.
But the thing is, be asking yourself, what information was she going to put out now, which was different than before?
Because also remember, there's a new sheriff in town.
And if you went to President Trump and said, listen, Joe Biden was involved in this, I could see him saying, oh really?
Okay?
That changes it.
And not only that, when you're in the world of this filth, after a period of time, you keep asking yourself, you know, it's not good for this type of inquiry to be allowed to fester, because it's going to come back at us.
I mean, it's going to come back at us.
And don't be surprised, and I'm surprised, I thought for sure that with the passing of the Pope, In discussing the Catholic Church, I thought for sure people would start talking again about what happened to years and years of institutional predation with altar boys.
It didn't.
But a lot of people were thinking, oh God, I hope we don't do that again.
Because that still has not been resolved, as far as I'm concerned.
Because that was such an institutional cancer.
I think it's pretty much, I hate to say it, if not over with now, it is...
It is so frowned upon.
They don't want to go through that again.
That was a remnant of a horrible time.
I hope.
Well, my friend, thank you for doing overtime to answer so many questions.
There's still tons more, so I hope to get you back soon.
We're going to let you go and have a great rest of your day.
Thank you, my friend.
And I will close the show, and thank you.
Cheers, Lionel.
Thank you, my friend.
All the best.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
All right, what a phenomenal guest.
Thank you for tuning in, everybody.
Next up, we have got a recording from Ryan Dawson.
Ryan Dawson is going blind.
He's already lost sight in one eye.
He's got rapid macular degeneration.
So he can't do interviews anymore, but we've got a recording from him.
So this stream is going to end, and we are going to go over to the Ryan Dawson recording stream.
So when I end this one, get ready, folks.
It'll come up in a couple of minutes.
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