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Feb. 14, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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How to Make A Massive Fortune With DOGE, Trump and Wall Street's Awakening
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All right, dear friends, it's great to be back with my good friend and yours, Bob Cutler from Trade Genius and also TradeWithLionel.com.
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Bob, welcome.
Let's get down to brass tacks.
What should we be looking out for right now, good friend?
Yeah, so we're still in a bit of the afterglow of Trump's inauguration.
And I think a lot of people...
What's interesting to me is that it's actually...
The market is struggling with the tariffs, but as he keeps modifying his thinking on it, the market's getting more and more relieved.
But when they bite, it's going to lower what they call liquidity, which is basically the mother's milk for the stock market.
So our expectation is that will take hold and the market will sell off.
Now, having said that, we have different windows of activity.
So on the 15th of the month of February to the end of the month of February, and actually into the first two to three weeks in March, is called basically a window of weakness for the markets.
So we're expecting the markets to sell down over the next four to six weeks and reset its valuation.
And then from there, usually from April to about June 15th, we'll see the market rise again.
And there's a potential here that the market may even eke out another all-time high.
But it's kind of following the patterns of 2001, where a high is made in the spring.
And then the market will roll over fairly aggressively then for the next 12 to 24 months.
The reason being is what Doge is doing, what the tariffs will do, is will actually drive spending out of the economy, which really drives economic activity, which then drives the...
How does that work?
Well, basically, when the government spends money, they create liquidity by injecting money supply.
Money supply is almost a one-to-one correlation to the growth in the stock market.
But if money supply collapses...
Then the stock market follows.
Look, you have the CEO of LexisNexis on the Doge subcommittee talking about just authenticating the payments in Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.
You're probably going to save $1 trillion a year.
I mean, I can't even mind-boggle the level of fraud.
Most of that money is leaving the country through fraud.
And so that will then lower the money supply of the U.S. dollar, which will bring the stock market down.
And then the tariffs, because money supply is falling, the tariffs don't create inflation as a misnomer.
The tariffs will create higher prices.
And you're like, well, Bob, isn't that the same thing?
No, it's not.
Because if you only have so much money and access to so much credit, your other choice is to...
What they call substitute or stop buying.
And that then also lowers economic activity, which lowers the stock price.
So that's what we're looking at.
That's going to be the theme of 2025 is basically they're going to identify and they're going to, through technical means, eliminate probably at least $1 trillion of spending.
That's 15% to 20% of the budget.
Right now, which is amazing.
And that will drive down the level of economic.
GDP will fall.
Inflation will fall.
And then when inflation falls, you'll see the 10-year yield fall.
And when that falls, then the private sector can start picking up the slack into 2026.
So that's my view.
That's how it's going to work.
It's simple math.
Whether you like the message or don't like the message.
That is the mathematics behind it.
Unless somebody stops the government from saving money, that's what's going to happen.
And it's a false prosperity, obviously, because the Biden administration and the administration before, they create this inflation, but they say, look what they're doing with the stock market.
It came to a head this year and last year because people then all of a sudden, the inflation killed them.
You know, and the only people that were hallelujah-ing it were people that had assets that were growing.
And most of the country, you know, 50% plus of the country don't own stocks and higher interest rates kill the real estate market.
So then all of a sudden people, all they had was higher costs.
And so the party's ending.
And so, but that's how it's going to lay out.
February march down, April or June up, summer choppy, fall goodbye.
And that's the optimistic point of view.
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Not an email, but a note or a post.
I don't want to oppose it per se, but just to give you an idea of somebody had tried to verify what you were doing, authenticate what you were doing.
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Yeah, that's why we laughed.
That's why he used it, probably.
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And it's not a day trade.
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Right.
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And also, what if somebody wants to get into crypto and gas and this and gold?
Do you do everything?
Every particular...
Avenue of investing?
Yeah, so I have a partner that manages the crypto room and also trades the futures markets.
And I focus on the stock equity markets.
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Now, give us an idea of, put your magic hat on, your Pythonic hat.
Hold on, let me go look for it.
Oh, okay.
Never mind.
Go ahead.
It's magic.
Right, exactly.
What do you think?
Where do you see us?
Five months.
Just with Trump on board, I mean, I don't know about you, I'm just saying, I cannot keep track of the news all day long.
I can't do it.
Some days, and those of us in the biz would say, a little slow today, anything.
Now it's every five minutes, there's somebody new.
What do you see six months, one year, four years down the road?
Give us an idea.
Yeah, I have a friend that says he can't wait to wake up in the morning.
It's like Christmas opening up another Trump present.
What I think is going to happen is the United States and probably the world will be absolutely shocked at the level of corruption that we allow to fester in the United States government.
I mean, I think if it's done right, the Democratic Party will not cease to exist in its current form.
It'll have to totally reform itself.
Because of where this money has been flowing and backflowing.
And look, they already know, you know, Elon Musk, he brought in some of the smartest people in the world.
They were able to directly tap into the systems, okay?
And so they've already extracted the metadata.
They already know.
And now they're probably applying, you know, Grok 2, Grok 3 to find out where this money has been flowing.
Into these NGOs and then how it's flowing back into the politicians and into the news media and the stormtroopers to basically been guiding us over the last 12 to 14 years.
So within a year, I think all that's going to be out.
Within two years, you're going to see people probably go to jail that you never thought would go to jail.
I think in four years, every news media I think we're going to have a total change.
And I think the way in which DOGE is going about it...
Is that there's going to be so much money freed up that they're going to be able to sprinkle it into certain congressional districts to support people who have not been able to take advantage of the largesse.
And I'm not talking about sprinkling into right-wing areas.
I'm talking sprinkling into purple areas where like, you know, like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Detroit, places that...
Are losing business where you can put manufacturing in there and subsidize manufacturers back into these cities, get people employed, which then drives down the crime rate.
The other thing that we're going to probably see in two years, we're going to see probably rents collapsing because we have 6 to 30 million people that shouldn't be here.
So we can have three to 4% of the population will leave the country in the next three to four years.
And all those people were getting subsidized rent.
Who's been paying for their rent?
I think what's going to happen in the next election cycle is that the Democratic Party will not have the money.
Or the stormtroopers or the echo chambers like they've had in the past.
Exactly.
I think you're going to be hopelessly outgunned.
And I think you're going to see a different world.
And I think you're going to see it in Germany, too.
And so Elon Musk just spoke to the worldwide government organization.
So they're on notice that this is coming.
Well, look what he's doing with the AFD in Germany.
But also a couple of things, too.
Malay in Argentina.
We're looking also at what is going to happen when you see people like all of a sudden Jamie Dimon, who for the first time during COVID, today he was saying, you're going to get back to work and shut up and get out of here!
And you have Zuckerberg doing this, and then the role of AI, what it's going to do to change all of these folks who, I think they said in Washington, D.C. alone, Bob, 6% showed up to work.
This, this...
Attitude.
When you have the richest man in the world who all of a sudden is bragging over the fact that he's sleeping in a sleeping bag on the floor, so this everything, it's not just tangible, but it's spiritual, it's intellectual.
It's almost like a religious awakening.
It's everywhere and it permeates everything.
This is bigger than anything.
Can't even imagine, or anybody can imagine.
So this is incredible.
I think what really helped it is the fires in L.A. were, so now, people that voted very blue for a very long time realized they're not immune to the level of corruption and incompetence that our government has become.
And so...
They don't have a sympathetic air.
It's not Western North Carolina that needs $200 billion.
Now Trump could say, hey, I just saved this $1.4 trillion.
I could be magnanimous and I could put $200 billion to work fixing these cities and these states that got devastated, or I could put a fund together as a backstop to the states and they could do their own FEMA.
People are going to see that tangible benefit from it.
There was one more thing I lost my train of thought.
Oh, the level of job loss, 4% took up Trump on his offer.
4% of the federal workforce took Trump up on his offer.
They were looking at maybe 6% to 10%.
But now when that's done, you're going to look at probably another 3% or 4% that are going to lose their jobs through basically redundancies and layoffs.
And that's going to dovetail on top of the...
The layouts that are coming from the private sector with what you were talking about.
Look, we use AI to build our code.
I mean, the time it takes me, and I'm not a coder, I actually now have the ability to write code that I normally would have to use my team to do.
Now, I free them up to higher-level functions.
I'm not letting them go because I'm too small.
You know, I don't have any redundant people.
Right.
You know, so now I can put them to higher-order jobs, which is more fun for them.
Would you rather code or would you rather system develop and research?
And by the way, you talk about this.
Whenever you say something today, it's going to be here tomorrow or it's already here.
When quantum computing kicks up...
On different levels.
When AI hits, when it goes ChatGPT 7, because each iteration, each improvement is logarithmic.
It's not just, it's not like iOS 18 for your phone.
You have that.
By the way, today Trump was talking about being rational, I believe, opening up trade routes and doors with Putin.
China's going to be next.
How will that, Bob?
In your to the benefit of the investor?
Well, it's too soon to say because there's going to be winners and losers.
So we just have to see who's going to do what.
Like, U.S. Steel fell on that news, but Coke went up because Coke said, well, you know, we can substitute aluminum cans for plastic.
So it all depends on how they...
I think it's a year from now we'll see winners and losers.
But, you know, overall, the cost, you know...
It's not going to be as bad as it was in terms of driving costs up.
Like in the past, if you raise the tariff, well, that gets passed directly.
Well, now you drop a manufacturing plant in here.
You may have hired 1,000 people before and had a lot of costs.
Now you may only hire 150 or 250 people, and robots are doing the rest of the work.
And so the cost structure is different.
And so I think...
I think these things have to all be worked out.
I think that's a longer-term play there.
I know for sure oil prices are going down, but oil service companies are going to prosper because drill, baby, drill.
Right, right.
If Trump does a deal with Russia, right, and sanctions come off, you know, ExxonMobil is going to be welcomed back into Russia.
Oil service company, oil technology is going to move back into Russia.
Look, Trump's not going to do a deal with Putin without...
You know, our technology moving in there.
Yes.
With Putin then being able to sell, you know, his minerals and extract his, you know, high productivity products and services back into the U.S. So it's going to be a win-win-win-win.
Well, who's going to lose on this?
Is that oil prices are going to fall?
So Iran won't have the cash flow to have mischief.
You know, if Russia could produce all the oil at once, United States the same, Canada the same, Saudi Arabia the same, they could basically bankrupt Iran.
So it is really interesting, the fourth turning is in process, you know, unless it's the biblical end of the world coming, you know, then coming out the other side of it can look pretty bright.
Well, Bob Cutler, this is so interesting.
I cannot, can you think of another time?
When you felt the sense...
I know you play him very close to the vest.
This by now, for those people who don't know you, this is...
You are like Rip Taylor.
This is...
I've never seen you more out of control than now.
This is Bob freaking out.
But can you...
I mean, I find myself asking, how was this allowed to happen?
How...
How did so many people...
Where was Jamie Dimon then?
Where were all these people who were saying, thank you very much, we're signing up, thank you.
From Zuckerberg to everybody coming forward.
We were held hostage by what?
I don't know what that was.
I think I know.
There is a cabal of people.
I call it the...
Basically, they call Trump a fascist, but really who fascists are, they really are the most arrogant and the most narcissistic people out there.
And they believe that most of the world population are basically stupid.
And they need to have an overlord with a technical class.
Like that judge said, you can't do that because the bureaucracy really should be making that decision.
That was a tell.
You know, he's a fascist globalist, which says we want to have a technical class to run the country.
You politicians are figureheads.
You people just, you eat the soup that we give you.
So it's a thin veneer.
Somebody said to me the other day, which makes perfect sense, everybody thought the deep state was deep.
And now they're finding out the deep state might be brittle.
And shallow, and yes.
Exactly.
And I think what happened was...
Elon Musk was the first guy to run into the machine gun nest, and he didn't get killed, and he was able to secure a beachfront in terms of being able to communicate to people.
Then, guys like Zuckerberg and the Amazon guy, I forget the name off the top of my head.
Bezos.
You know, he's out of the picture, but, you know, those guys recognize the fact that the government...
They thought were their friends that they were supporting people.
They absolutely not.
Zuckerberg learned a hard lesson here that U.S. aid was going to Europe to shut him down.
When those things happen, people don't like conflict, Lionel.
You're an attorney, so you live on conflict.
Thank you.
That's right.
You have to be comfortable with it, or you can't be an attorney.
You're a litigant.
People don't like conflict, so people will get along until, I always tell my wife, things don't matter to people until they matter to people.
And we basically hit the high watermark.
The stupidest thing these people did was allow inflation to get out of control.
The second stupid thing they did was they decided to screw with the kids.
And then that was it.
And then the election just was a force of nature.
But not only that, how could we have, and I enjoy this so thoroughly, And to have had one of the most, listen, say what you want about Gavin Newsom.
You may not like him, but he's a hell of a lot better to talk to, and he's more coherent than Kamala Harris was.
Why did they even pick her?
And I'm going to say one more thing you mentioned about the deep state.
We have been talking about, a lot of my folks have been talking about the administrative states for years, ever since the day of FDR.
This administrative state, USAID.
It's a creation out of nowhere that has no constitutional responsibility, no checks and balances.
You can always push them off.
And remember people like Samantha Power and others who came along, who all of a sudden go from making $120,000 a year to being worth $30 million.
And people right now are going to be saying, you know what?
We're going to go back and we're going to look at this.
We're going to maybe claw back and investigate.
And that also cleanses, I hate to use the term, but it's almost like an enema.
We're seeing a complete and total change of the deep state, police state, intel state, shadow government.
Bobby Kennedy today, what that's going to do for Big Pharma, what that's going to do for...
I mean, there is no...
We haven't even mentioned Cash Patel yet, haven't mentioned Tulsi Gabbard.
You know, there's 18 intel agencies.
She's 18. I mean, it's like somebody turned on the light and we thought, oh my God, look at this place.
That's what it is.
Yeah, look, they never thought they'd lose.
And so they didn't really have a way in which to deal with it.
But look, it's been coming.
We see it coming around the world.
And so these systems, their systems are untenable.
And the thing about it is that...
You know, just like in stop trading, things go up like an escalator, but they come down like an elevator.
And that's the same thing here in politics.
Things aren't happening, aren't happening, aren't happening, then they just break.
And look, they put Kamala Harris in there for one reason and one reason only, because we thoroughly, thoroughly co-opted.
Okay?
And Biden wasn't much better.
You know, I mean, if I was, if I was, well...
There's no Bidens left, really.
I mean, they're all crooks.
But, I mean, if I was in that family, I'd be like, the name will go down in infamy in 10 years.
And so will Obama, actually.
Obama moves off that road, too.
That's right.
Yeah, so if you look at it, you know, from the Democrats side, Clinton and Obama and Biden, you know, they set this thing up, but they also got help by the Bushes.
Absolutely.
I think anybody after Reagan was a problem for our country.
George Bush Sr. was a CIA guy.
We're going to find out how many millions of people we killed around the world in order to create an environment suitable to the deep state.
A victim of it on Trump 1. So I think all that stuff is going to come out.
Absolutely.
It's going to be really interesting.
So, you know, I'm glad, you know, I think once Kash Patel, here's the other thing they did, I think, really interesting.
Trump 2.0 is better than Trump 1.0.
Oh, yeah.
Because he's got better people behind him.
He also knows the systems better.
But what they're doing is they're copying the German...
Warfare approach in World War II.
They're blitzkrieging everywhere.
The Democrats, they don't know where to go on this stuff.
And one of them said, we don't know what they have on us.
So they've been really, really quiet.
All they can say is, well, he's not transparent.
The next day he comes out with a doji website.
Here you go.
There's everything we're doing.
He's unelected.
He comes out the next day.
Here's all the 700,000 people in the federal government are unelected making decisions.
So, look, as Joe Rogan said, as they pissed off the wrong man on the spectrum, who happens to be the richest man in the world, you know, and he's given them a big F you back.
And by the way, one more thing, just a little bit about the notion of civilian help.
You know, during World War II...
When OSS and we worked to try to crack the Enigma code, you know, Turing and others, they went after and they took a lot of housewives and people who like crossword puzzles and people who were involved in one of the most important safe, not safe cracking, but code cracking endeavor ever.
And these were people who were just outboard help.
So this is ridiculous.
This is a joke.
These people, including big...
You know, the names.
They don't know what to do.
And the saddest part is, what do they do, Bob?
They send Maxine Waters out to stand in front of the Department of Education and demand that some security guard turn over his ID.
This was their confrontation of the problem.
This was it.
This is the best they had.
They don't know what to do.
Well, the American people are behind Trump.
I mean, look, how can you defend...
Defend an agency that has failed our children.
Oh, absolutely.
More education.
And look at the military.
We had the highest recruiting levels ever, one month after Trump sent out.
One month!
People were not...
I had friends that...
Look, I'm a Marine Corps veteran, so I had people who...
Always ask me, should my kid go into the Marine Corps?
And up until Biden, I said, it's a great opportunity.
You know, I was an officer.
You came out, you got a job right away.
You know, you're already proven, okay, as somebody who's reliable and competent and calmness under fire.
You say, I'm calm.
Well, here it is.
You know, you're tested.
And so, you know, then Biden gets in and all of a sudden, like, why am I sending my kid to the military?
This guy's going to get them killed.
I don't know what they're going to teach him.
You know, when he gets out of office, everybody joined the military again.
It was awesome.
And they're going to join a military that's going to judiciously use power versus these people just slinging our people around like we're mercenaries.
You know, so...
The cannon fodder.
Absolutely.
Well, Bob, I did not know that about you.
Semper Fi.
Thank you for your service.
I appreciate that.
You're welcome.
So if somebody wants to know, alright, somebody's listening to us right now for the past 32 minutes and they say, God, I'm so tired of it.
What do I do, Bob?
Let me know.
I've got all this money.
What do I do with it?
What do I do?
Tell them what to do, Bob.
Well, you can go to TraderLionel.com, go through the portal, get to us, and pick what bundle that works best for you.
You want to trade stocks, you want to trade crypto, or if you come to us directly, TradeLikeAGenius.com.
Or call our 1-800 number, you know, 1-800-949-1408.
But make sure you tell us you came from Lionel.
And if you don't tell us, we're going to ask you anyway.
And then pick your bundle.
The deals are good until Saturday, and you're going to get much more out of it than you ever put into it.
And now is a great time to trade because even if you don't know how to trade, it's always good to learn how to have.
A backup plan because you don't know how good your job is or how safe your job is.
Or if you're retired and you want to make more money, we can show you really conservative ways in which you can do that.
And surprisingly, you know, it's win-win.
You know, there's just a lot of opportunity out there.
And, you know, the big money doesn't care if we're picking up nickels while they're picking up dollars.
So don't worry about them.
Plenty of money left on the floor, you know, and you can make money trading.
There's very simple rules.
Once you learn them and you adhere to them, you can't help but make money.
Bob Kudla, the best.
This is the best we have ever had.
Thank you so, so very much.
And again, thank you for your service and thank you for your...
And thank you for commitment to this incredible venture because everybody that I know that I've ever said to go with you has said thank you.
It is the best deal possible because the first thing, let's face it, nobody wants to tell you.
They don't know what they're doing.
This is the best place to learn and to make gobs of money the right way and to use you as a kind of a tour guide, so to speak.
Think of it as buona.
You're in the jungle and you've got a pith helmet.
Bob Cutler, thank you so much, my friend.
TradeWithLionel.com, 800-949-4208.
We will talk again, sir.
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