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April 1, 2023 - Lionel Nation
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Trump Indicted: Here's the Process and What to Expect

Alvin Bragg: Apparatchik.

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All right.
Get ready.
Because I'm going to spend as much time with you as I have to for you to thoroughly understand what's happening here regarding the indictment of President Trump.
And I'm not going to give this to you as a Trump fan or a Trump operative or a Trump hater or a lover.
That's not it.
I'm a radiologist holding up an x-ray and I'm saying the patient's leg is broken or not.
That's it.
Doesn't mean I like him.
Doesn't mean I don't like him.
Doesn't mean whatever.
For the legal analysis, The legal.
I'm going to speak to you like I would a fellow lawyer.
Not the way they're doing on TV with this blather.
This nonsense.
Well, it's political.
Okay, okay.
We're going to get to that.
Everything's political.
Where have you been?
This is just...
Imagine if your doctor stood with you as your grandmother is hanging on to life and your doctor says, it's just unfair.
And you're thinking, what are you talking about?
It's just unfair.
This great woman, why?
Why?
You're the doctor.
I know that.
What are you talking about?
That's what you're seeing.
Case after case after case.
I can't watch this stuff.
I cannot watch it.
When it broke yesterday, I thought to myself, I must have misread this.
I must have misread this.
This doesn't make any sense.
How can this be?
What do you mean?
What?
No, I went back and they indicted him.
Now, I'm going to go through this little by little, bit by bit, and let's start from the obvious.
First, when I know something happened, I'll tell you I know what happened.
When I think it happened, I'll tell you.
And this one, I kind of think happened.
I'm not really sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I'll phrase it that way.
That always sounds better.
That's a way of getting around.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump Look, they're going to indict you.
Guaranteed.
They're going to indict you.
It's going to happen no matter how stupid you think this case is.
No matter what Alan Dershowitz says, no matter what Andy McCarthy says, no matter what Jonathan Turley says, it doesn't matter.
They're going to indict you.
They're going to indict you.
They don't care.
They don't care.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
What are you talking about?
This is a different story.
Don't you understand how this works?
Come on!
They're going to indict you.
Okay.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Trump said, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to announce that next Tuesday, or Tuesday, I'm going to be arrested.
Even though I have no information that I'm going to be arrested, even though I know he's not done yet, but I'm going to just say this.
I'm going to just gum up the work.
I'm going to kind of throw up kind of a hand grenade, a smoke bomb, whatever, and I'm going to throw up.
It's going to mess things up.
And then Andrew, I mean, Alvin Bragg will say, wait a minute, what?
We're not done yet.
We're not done.
Is he falling down?
Is he ready?
Why hasn't he been indicted?
And Alvin Bragg says, I'm the one who decides when you're going to get indicted.
Not you.
Where did you hear this from?
I know what you're doing.
You're just...
Okay, fine.
So what did Alvin Bragg do?
I wouldn't be surprised if he said, put out the word that we were postponed.
We're taking a week off.
We're not sure.
Let's do this.
Put it out as though I'm stalling.
Because I'm going to indict him.
I got a witness or two left.
It's going to happen.
We're just going through the...
Because I know.
I know this grand jury.
I've been with them.
They've been with us.
We know.
I'm going to give them just enough.
I'm not going to put on exculpatory evidence.
We're not going to hear anybody else.
Okay, this one lawyer who came in and said, hey, he's a liar.
Okay.
It doesn't matter.
But I know we're going to indict him.
I know it.
I know it.
As a matter of fact, I know it.
What are you talking about?
So anyway, he did it.
And everybody said, ha, ha, ha.
The case is falling apart.
And there's Dershowitz.
Dershowitz, he's so good.
He just comes out of nowhere.
By the way, Al, watch that angle.
Just going to tell you.
Anyway, sometimes these people on TV, you notice that?
It's up their nose and it's, my God!
Does somebody help him out there?
In any event.
...
They thought it was over.
They thought it was over.
They thought it was done.
And then all of a sudden, ha ha!
Booga booga!
Gotcha!
You're indicted.
What?
What?
You're indicted.
Nobody check with me.
How do you like that?
You were the one who thought you were calling the shots.
Well, I'm calling the shots.
And you know what?
If I lose, I lose.
If I win, I win.
I did my shot.
Because if Alvin Bragg never brought an indictment, never brought an indictment, never?
Never?
If he caved?
If he said, ooh, because I caved.
This is the second time I've caved.
His predecessor, Cy Vance, he caved.
The feds caved.
I didn't want to do it.
He had two prosecutors who left in a fit, in a snit, who wrote a book about this.
Oh, I've got it.
Oh, I'll never.
In fact, my future's over.
Federal judge, attorney general, Supreme Court.
Oh, no, no, no.
If I give up, if I give up, I'm dead.
If I lose, well, at least I tried.
I could blame the jury or whatever.
But not to charge him?
Not to even bring the, oh, no, no, no.
Okay?
And believe me, They are heralding, brag, vindicated.
Now, most people don't even realize that this is just a charge.
He's just been charged.
It doesn't mean anything.
It's like people think impeachment meant Trump's on his way.
No, it was the charge.
You want conviction in the Senate.
People are weird about that.
They think the indictment said, oh, he was indicted.
Yeah, he was indicted.
So what?
Okay.
What do you need to indict somebody?
What do you need?
What's the burden of proof?
You know, reasonable doubt is to convict somebody in criminal court.
Preponderance of the evidence is the burden of proof in civil.
What's the burden of proof to bring an indictment?
Probable cause in federal.
Reasonable cause in state New York.
What does that mean?
Probable cause.
They're both the same.
Probable cause.
Best definition we've been hearing forever means he probably did it.
Now, next point.
Could they convict him?
Could they?
Sure they could.
Don't ever think that somehow, oh, this is so intellectually impossible that no jury in their right mind...
No, no, no.
Don't ever say that.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't say that.
Don't ever say that.
Don't say that.
There's no way.
No, jury, this will be thrown out.
Well, I don't know.
Let me ask you something.
Do you want to be the judge in New York who throws out the indictment against Donald Trump?
Unless you have some kind of a senior judge, your retirement is ready to go, and there's nothing...
Is it possible that you could want out of life?
Your children are grown and they're living under an assumed name and you're going to move.
Is there any judge who would say, yes, I'm going to dismiss this?
Okay?
Now, why would they dismiss it?
Statute of limitations?
Maybe.
I keep saying maybe.
Why do you say maybe?
Because we don't know what he's even been indicted for.
We don't even know.
We have no idea.
We think we do.
Kind of, sort of, maybe.
We don't know what he's been indicted for.
We think it's this.
We think it's this.
Now let me give you a couple of facts here, which is very, very important.
Very, very, very, very important.
Listen carefully.
Number one, what are the charges that are available?
I want to get rid of a couple of words and phrases here to help you.
Number one, Michael Cohen is not a fixer.
When I think of fixer, I think of Harvey Keitel.
I think of, you know, in Pulp Fiction.
I think of, you know, somebody else.
Michael Cohen.
Okay?
I do not think of him.
So they call him, he's the fixer.
He's Trump's fixer.
Now, not that it matters.
You can call him anything.
You can call him a, I like a dim box.
It's a great word for an assistant.
It sounds like an idiot.
I always refer to my dim box.
You know, my amanuensis, my factotum, you know, something like that.
Okay.
A lot of people in big time status, and I've heard people tell me this, you're a billionaire, you've got a lawyer on staff.
If he has law firms, if you pick up the phone and call somebody and say, listen, you're already up to a thousand bucks.
I didn't even say anything yet.
That's the way it is.
And then they're going to hand it off to this one, this one's going to look at it, this one, then they're going to make 50 copies of it, and next thing you know, you've got to bill for whatever.
That's the way it goes.
Some people charge $1,500 an hour, $2,000, depends who these people are.
Okay.
So what they do is they have somebody who's a lawyer, who's in the office, who does things like, I need an LLC, I need this, I need that.
Okay.
That's Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen has the...
By the way, I hope you got my email.
I hope you...
I hope...
I hope...
Tell me you signed up...
Tell me you signed up for my newsletter.
I did one today that was a beaut!
A beaut!
Tell me...
Here it is.
I'll give you this one.
I'll give you this.
Here's the link.
In fact, I explained very specifically that Michael Cohen has, in effect, the operational IQ of a dart.
This is Michael Cohen.
He was there doing whatever it was that he did.
Okay.
Now let's go through the specifics of this.
Again, with the proviso, with the understanding.
Here's the link, by the way.
This is my...
By the way, just go to my...
There's a sign-up link right there.
This is my newest newsletter.
Okay.
First...
Okay, I told you, he's not a fixer.
Number two, there's no such thing as hush money.
I mean, there's hush money, but it's not against the law.
It's done all the time.
Hollywood couldn't exist without hush money.
It's called a non-disclosure agreement, an NDA.
Don't say anything.
Okay, I won't say anything.
Okay.
Hey, come here.
Jerry, how long have I known you?
Since third grade.
Here, here's a hundred bucks.
Don't tell anybody that.
All right.
I know that may sound like hush money.
Now, if you're paying somebody off not to report a crime or to change their testimony, now that's a different story.
That's not hush money.
That's obstruction of justice.
That's positive misprision.
There's a lot of things.
But now we're not talking about that.
Okay.
So here's the story.
This is the way they want you to believe it.
It started off as a falsifying business records.
Now, folks, I've got news for you.
If you've been in business, if you've done anything, if you've run a ProntoPup concession at a midway, at a state fair, and you write something down, and was this business?
Was it, I don't know, was this personal?
I guarantee you, at some point in your life, Depending upon as high as you go, you will commit something called falsifying business records.
You didn't mean to.
Maybe you meant.
Maybe it was stupid.
Either way.
And if you're like most people, by the time you were, I'd say, 40 years old, you've committed at least three felonies in your life.
Believe me.
Believe me.
Felonies are easy.
I did what?
Felonies.
Me?
Yes.
Tonight, when you drive home, where you're driving, you go by a bar, see a tavern, see a nightclub, see all those cars?
They're drunk.
All those people are drunk.
And they're going to get in their car and they're going to drive home.
And there's a place that has a parking lot so people can bring their car, go in, get drunk, and then leave.
And nobody's the wiser, right?
This goes on all the time.
If you're in business and you're a billionaire, you don't think...
I mean, listen, we can talk about the Biden family.
That's another story.
These guys make the Gambinos look like the Junior League.
Do you understand this?
Believe me when I tell you something.
A crime is only a crime if you're charged with it.
Did you know that?
Oh, yeah.
You can theoretically commit a crime, but if you're not charged, well, look at the Biden family.
You haven't been charged in anything.
So, just understand this thing.
Falsifying business records.
Oh, my God.
What the hell is that?
Okay.
That's where it started from, because here was the story.
The story was this.
Stormy Daniels, Dusty Saddles, whatever her name is, she had some type of a liaison.
With President Trump, as it is alleged.
Now, if you read what she says happened, I don't even know what that is.
I don't even know what's the point.
Call me old-fashioned.
I'm just going to leave it at that.
Okay, so I don't know what he did, but whatever.
So he decided, so they say, that he thought, in order to benefit my campaign, I'm going to pay her off because I'm running for president.
And if they find out about her and then McDougal, that's another one, but we're not going to talk about that one, but if they find out about Stormy Daniels, it could hurt my political career.
So, hey, Michael Cohen, come here.
You pay her kind of under the table using your account, your bank account.
You, for reasons that...
Nobody understands.
You're going to pay this complete stranger $130,000.
This is what they're saying.
And then he took a line of credit from his house and paid him back.
And then the story goes, Trump then says, here, I'm going to pay you back for legal fees, which will actually cover and reimburse you for making the payment.
Okay?
All to benefit My career.
My political campaign.
You see, this is their story.
Okay.
Is that against the law?
No.
No.
Wait a minute.
Really?
Really.
What if he was paying her off just because I don't want Melania?
Melania will...
No!
She can't find out about this.
What's wrong with that?
I mean...
About countenancing marital indiscretion, but if he did that, that's nothing to do with the campaign.
Doesn't matter.
But there's a problem.
First problem.
If they wanted to go with that plain old falsifying business stuff, that's a misdemeanor.
And that statute has run a long time ago.
The statute of limitations is over, but you can resuscitate it.
You can maybe...
Make it felonious and have a longer statute of limitations, which may or may not be applicable, if you say and claim that the reason for this falsified business ledger domain or whatever is to cover up a crime or to perpetuate a crime.
Okay, what's that crime?
Oh yeah, what's that crime?
I've got it.
This is really an in-kind contribution to the campaign.
What?
This is a campaign contribution that he's not reporting.
You're saying he's paying her?
He's contributing to himself?
Yeah, sort of, kind of.
Or maybe Cohen is.
Wait a minute.
Who's paying who?
Doesn't matter.
Isn't that a federal?
Isn't that a federal?
Yes.
What did the Fed say about this?
Nothing.
They don't want to have anything to do with it.
Wait a minute.
Alvin, Mr. Bragg, you're claiming a state criminal charge, a New York state law, was violated because he violated a federal law?
Why don't you make it a French law?
Why don't you say he violated an Indiana law?
So you're prosecuting federal offenses when the feds themselves said, we don't want to have anything to do with this.
Are you out of your mind?
Apparently so.
It's incredible.
It's incredible.
Now, It works like this.
Let's keep going through this.
And again, I keep saying again, we're trying to anticipate something that has yet to be...
They could unseal it and it could be murder one.
I don't know why, but we don't know.
So we're just guessing.
So he's going to have to go in and say, okay, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Donald Trump...
Paid Michael Cohen money for hush money, which is not against the law, and he's not a fixer, in order to cover up some kind of a dalliance, which actually was an in-kind contribution to his campaign, sort of, which benefited his campaign and should have been reported as such, but it wasn't.
It's really a felony because he's really trying to cover up a crime, I guess.
And I'm doing the best I can.
Ed Witten couldn't figure this one out.
I'm trying my best to say, okay, maybe this, maybe that.
And I've seen some crazy stuff where you can take this.
But again, I'm trying to guess what this is.
Alright.
Here is the evidence of evidence.
This is it.
I would stipulate to everything except this one thing.
This is how Trump walks.
This is it.
This is the deal.
Listen to this one.
This is the most important.
This was the letter, the famous letter that was written by attorney Stephen Ryan from McDermott, Will& Emery.
I think he's a D.C. lawyer.
And he writes the Federal Election Commission in February of 2018.
Now listen carefully.
This is it.
This is Trump's acquittal right here.
If he's charged with what we think he's going to be charged.
He writes a Mr. Jordan, who is from the Federal Elections Commission.
I'm writing on behalf of my client, Michael D. Cohen.
In response to your letter dated blah, blah, blah.
Here we go.
In a private transaction, listen to me carefully, in a private transaction in 2016, before the U.S. presidential election, Mr. Cohen used his own Let
me say this again.
You've got to hear this.
In a private transaction in 2016, before the U.S. presidential election, Mr. Cohen used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford.
Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was appointed to the transaction, and neither reimbursed Mr. Cohen for the payment, directly or indirectly.
That's it.
That's the end of it.
Now...
At some point, they're going to have to call Michael Cohen to the stand.
At some point, Michael, I don't even think you need Stormy, what's her name?
I don't even think you need her, but Doug Cohen.
But Mr. Cohen, imagine this, cross-examine issue.
Mr. Cohen, you retained Mr. Stephen Ryan.
Did you not?
Yes, I did.
To represent you?
Yes, I did.
And you spoke with him, didn't you?
Yes, I did.
Leading questions.
And Mr. Cohen, Mr. Ryan rather, wrote this letter, did he not?
Let me show you this letter here.
Yes, he did.
At your behest?
Yes.
On behalf of you?
Yes.
Based upon what you told him?
Yes.
He didn't make it up, did he?
No.
He didn't manufacture this out of his imagination, did he?
No.
He wrote to them what you told him, yes.
And you said as follows.
I'm going to read what I just wrote.
It was your money.
You weren't reimbursed, yes.
You told him that, yes.
You weren't lying, were you?
No.
So you were telling him the truth when you said this, yes.
But you've changed your mind since then, haven't you?
Yes.
Today you're saying something completely different.
Today you're saying that you did this at the behest of Mr. Trump and his organization.
That it wasn't your money.
It was his idea.
And you did it for him.
You were like the fixer.
That it wasn't your money.
It was subterfuge.
It was done through him.
And that later he reimbursed you.
According to this, you said it was your own idea.
So were you lying then or are you lying now?
Boom.
That's it.
It's the end of it.
That's the case.
It's done.
It's done.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, closing argument.
Ladies and gentlemen, as we said before, and I'm sure the judge instructed you, this is not about politics.
Whether you voted for Mr. Trump, like Mr. Trump, President Trump, whatever.
I'm not asking you, nor is the court, for you to appraise him.
You're looking at this thing in a very limited way.
As a juror inspecting one particular issue.
And the issue is not whether we prove anything, contrary to Nancy Pelosi.
But you've got to ask yourself this question.
Did Mr. Bragg's office prove beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt that Mr. Trump, President Trump, And I'm sure there's a stipulation.
They're going to do a motion in limine ahead of time to say, can we call him President Trump?
Can we refer to him?
They're going to do everything.
I'm going to call him President Trump because he was the president.
And it's one of those things where Mr. President, imagine that.
I don't think he's going to take the stand, but Mr. President, this has never been done before.
Okay.
So you're being asked the question, is there any doubt that you have?
Any doubt?
Any reasonable doubt.
Any doubt that you can attach a reason to.
Or you might say to yourself, I'm not so sure about this.
I'm not so sure about this case.
What do you mean?
Well, I'm not so sure whether he, President Trump, really paid anything.
Why?
Well, because the witness that the The prosecution has already vouched for, Mr. Cohen, said on day one this, then on day one this, and on day one that, or day three this.
So I've got to figure out, which one do I believe?
And you also have the case of, oh, what was his name, the lawyer who came forward who said he was a liar!
I love that one.
It's like, wow.
So you've got two lawyers who say he's a liar.
And whether he's a liar or not, it's a different story.
But in this case, because this is the essence of the case, this is specifically dealing, this is the gravaiment, if you will, the crux of the issue.
This is what we're talking about here.
This.
This is it.
This issue.
And you can call Mr. Ryan.
Oh, now we get into which.
Is it hearsay?
Mr. Ryan, say to your name, Stephen Ryan.
Mr. Ryan, were you counsel for...
Yes.
And at some point, at some point, attorney-client privilege doesn't even apply here because you're just asking him about this letter.
Did you write this letter?
Yes.
Is this your handwriting?
Yes.
Did you authorize this?
Yes.
Is this letter based upon a conversation you had?
Yes.
It's not confidential because a confidential, remember, Lawyer-client privilege is a statement that is made to a lawyer in pursuant, by the way, the client holds the privilege, in pursuit of legal representation, pursuance of such, and it's made with a reasonable expectation of privacy.
It's never been disclosed.
Well, this is public record.
This isn't even anything.
So he told you this, yes.
And you sign this?
Yes.
And is it not a penalty under law to be lying to the Federal Election Committee?
Yes.
That's the case.
So ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if you want to find Mr. Trump guilty, you're going to have to both believe and disbelieve the main witness.
Because the main witness said in 2018, That it was his money, and then he changed his mind.
And not to mention, you can also...
So, that's it.
There's reasonable doubt.
It is impossible.
You see, normally, this would be a documents case.
Be very simple.
Is this your name?
Yes.
Did you sign this check?
Yes.
Did you enter the check?
Yes.
Did you enter the check?
Yes.
Okay, that's it.
But now we're finding out that behind the checks and the payments is this.
That's it.
There is no way a jury can say, think about this, well, I know what you're saying, and that does make sense, sort of, but I believe him now.
Wait a minute.
What?
The Federal Elections Commission believed him.
The federal government believed him.
Mr. Ryan, his lawyer, believed him.
These were Mr. Cohen's words.
Excuse me.
What are you talking about?
That's reasonable doubt.
That's it.
Provided there's no pre-trial.
Motion to dismiss.
That's my case.
That's it.
That's it.
I'll have to sit back.
No further questions.
Let's get to this.
We're going to...
Now, can the judge ahead of time rule it?
I don't know.
It's almost like a summary judgment.
This is an issue you're going to put into dispute and you've got to try it.
Okay, fine.
Not only that, Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen, does the jury know about you?
Let's hear about you.
Let's hear about you.
This is what you said.
You were convicted.
You were convicted and found by the federal government.
When were you convicted of this?
So he's convicted.
He lied.
And he lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.
And in order for you to convict President Trump, President Trump of this, you've got to believe just one story out of the myriad of stories that he's told.
It doesn't get any better than this.
Now the thing to do, and what lawyers can do, is to make it really, really complicated because they want to go up there and they want to answer questions.
I would love to be the one to tell Stormy what's-her-face.
No questions.
What do I want to talk to?
She has nothing to do with this.
She got the money.
I know.
Yeah, so what?
Because she's trying to bankroll this into a book or a chanteau so she can do her OnlyFans, whatever the hell she does.
I don't know what she does.
Who knows?
I have no questions.
Why didn't you ask her any questions?
Because she has nothing to do with the case.
She was a receptacle of the money.
That's it.
And I would have special jury instructions.
Hush money is not against the law.
This jury is going to say, what are we doing here?
And it's going to be hard for a lawyer to sit back and say, I'm not going to get into detail with it.
I'm not going to go into, I'm not going to do a long cross-examination.
I'm going to make it real.
Save it for closing.
Don't open the door.
Don't go into, what are you going to do?
Now, you can also maybe impeach.
Impeach is a word meaning you want to destroy, hurt, harm, lessen the credibility of individuals Telling Mr. Cohen, under oath, now listen, isn't it true that you have, do you have any further cases pending?
Or is there any reason why you would lie?
Has the government offered you anything?
Could you maybe have your post-release term limited or truncated by virtue of positive testimony?
Whatever.
We'll get through all that stuff.
Maybe.
Now this case is a dog.
Okay?
So we understand that?
Just tell me you understand.
This case is a dog.
This is the dog.
If, if, if he actually is being indicted for what I think he was indicted for.
Unless there's not something out there that's just nuts.
Let's say, what?
Man Act?
Where'd that come from?
Well, it must be a federal, but you know what?
Okay, you got that?
Good.
Now let's go to this other thing.
The commentary on cable news.
Oh, dear God.
The worst.
Now, let me tell you something.
I'm going to give you some good news and bad news and so-so news.
Number one, as I said, Trump's got nothing to worry about.
I mean, unless they botch this case so much, and unless there's not some crime, unless there's also a bunch of facts that we know nothing about, which is always a possibility.
Trump has other cases which are very serious.
The Jack Smith case.
January 6th.
the um can we Stop the steal.
No, January 6th.
Stop the steal.
Yep.
You have the Georgia case.
You have the Tish James case.
You've got the E. Jean Carroll case, which is a civil matter.
Civil.
By the way, there's a very interesting article.
A good article, actually.
There's some good stuff out there.
You've got to look around.
I think it was Axios.
Axios was very good.
It was a good one.
It was good.
Don't forget, also, I think Bill Clinton paid $850,000 to Paula Jones to go away to keep her mouth shut.
Pardon the phrase.
That's a different story.
Oh, Andrew McCarthy.
We'll get to that in a moment.
Absolute full-o beans, as my mother would say.
For him to say, we're going to investigate.
Excuse me, you're a Federalist?
Yes.
Separation of powers?
Back off, Sparky.
This is not for your property.
Do not stick your nose into a state prosecution because you don't like it.
That is not your business.
Do not do this.
Know your guard.
How about Nancy Pelosi?
Nancy Pelosi says, no one is above the law and everyone has the right to prove innocence.
No, no Nancy.
This is a tweet.
You don't have to prove innocence.
In fact, they even got this They even got this, what is it called?
This clarification thing from Twitter.
Like, no, the defendant doesn't have to prove anything.
Here is the thing.
The legal woes.
Grand jury.
You've got the Atlanta case.
You've got the Fannie Willis.
This is the Fulton County DA.
Also got the Jack Smith.
Oh, oh, oh, yes, yes, yes.
I forgot to tell you.
January 6th.
Jack Spitz is going to be doing the DOJ's probe into Trump's efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of power.
That's a seditious conspiracy case, which I've told you a million times about.
Also, there's a case involving the Mar-a-Lago and obstruction of justice.
See, most people miss the point with this one.
You see, I have a friend of mine.
And my friend loves Trump to the point where he just kind of creates stuff in his own mind.
He just says stuff.
That's like, do you ever see on TV when they say, what about Grandma?
Well, she's a fighter.
Excuse me?
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
What is she, Jack Dempsey?
She has a, you know, whatever it is.
I love that.
See, that doesn't mean, don't tell me I'm a fighter, please.
That means I'm doomed.
That means I'm doomed.
When you go to the doctor, he says, oh, that's nothing.
We're going to cut that thing out of you.
That's nothing.
That's what I want to hear.
Not, you know what?
You're a fighter.
Wait a minute.
Stop it.
So I've got a friend of mine who loves Trump.
And Trump is always...
Trump's brilliant.
Trump always gets out of the middle of everything.
What?
Oh, yeah.
Trump knows litigation.
Well, this is not...
Well, this is beyond litigation, but okay, maybe.
No, no, Trump is...
No, you don't understand.
Trump is a genius.
Oh, okay.
4-D chess.
All right.
I've heard that before.
No, no.
And this is going to help.
Trump's going to go into...
This will...
He will walk into re-election.
What?
Oh, this is good for him.
Being indicted?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, no, it works for him.
How does that work?
Well, because people will realize it's a witch hunt.
Who's going to realize this?
Well, the people.
No, no, wait.
Three groups of people, I keep telling you.
People who hate Trump, people who love Trump, and this doesn't matter.
And in the middle, in the middle there are these undecided folks.
These undecided independents.
That's the one you want to talk about.
Those are the only, they're at play here.
And you think they're going to love Trump because he's indicted?
I don't think so.
I don't know what kind of a demented world you live in, but those are people that I know.
Then there are other people who are just, they're beyond rhapsodic.
They're thrilled.
They love the fact that Trump's been indicted.
Or will be.
They're just, they're happy.
Which is, they're right, I guess.
His mugshot will be the, Jershaw has called it, The best mugshot, well, the mugshots were Sinatra, of course.
You've seen these famous mugshots.
And I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but to see a former president in the dock?
It's disgusting.
But I don't expect anybody to understand that because that goes to history.
That picture is going to be so photoshopped, so memed.
It will be...
Wait until you see the genius, the deep fakes, the...
I mean, they're going to go crazy with this picture.
And you know what's the good part?
That's oxygen to Trump.
He loves it.
He knows that.
Go ahead.
Because if I'm going to be targeted, this is only an example of how great...
He will, in his own mind, say, this is an example of how...
Powerful I am, and how important, by virtue of the slings and arrows that I must endure.
He will absolutely, positively love this.
This means nothing to him.
Nothing.
Means nothing to him.
Other people, because he's, as Andy McCarthy says, they've crossed the Rubicon.
Now, These other cases are serious.
This obstruction of justice?
See, my friend also says, oh, those documents were...
It's not that they weren't classified.
That's not it.
They're going to be claiming an obstruction of justice.
They actually ask who was a court court or whoever his name was.
His lawyer, they've waived or forcing the court to waive attorney-client privilege and that crime fraud exception, meaning that this was an obstruction of justice.
And what all this stuff means is that's a different angle.
It's not that you possessed it.
But that you and your lawyer or you individually thwarted, obstructed the government's process afterwards.
That's an important.
The case that's the worst politically that will sour him because you've never seen this is the E. Jean Carroll sexual battery civil case.
Why is that important?
She's going to be claiming that.
You're going to hear the Access Hollywood tapes in their entirety.
You're going to hear a kind of a blustering, kind of a boorish, most unflattering Trump.
And then you're going to have two women who come forward and say they're going to Weinstein him.
Yeah, well, you know, he did that to me too.
Excuse me, who are you?
Oh, we're two women.
Did you charge?
Well, no, but...
Either the statute of limitations has elapsed or we, you know, whatever.
Yeah, we're from the past.
We're going to come forward.
So any female, you're going to see this.
It's kind of like you're going to get into, at least what they will portray this as, the mind of Trump, the way he works, the way he thinks, the way he thinks with women.
You're really going to know, you know, that kind of stuff.
That is no criminal.
Exposure attached to that.
That hurts more by virtue of what it does if women voters, mother voters, people voters.
And it just shows a kind of a tawdry...
Whether it's true or not, I don't even care.
It doesn't matter.
Harvey Weinstein was just railroading.
For cases, he should have never...
Anyway, it's a different story.
That's important.
So it's not over with yet.
People don't understand.
There's six separate cases.
Six!
This is one of them.
And you hear all these people.
I couldn't take Fox News.
Couldn't take it!
Well, it's nonsense.
It's garbage.
Wait a minute, what?
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
See, Again, I don't understand.
They will never talk about, obviously, the Dominion case.
That's a serious case.
That could change everything.
That Dominion case.
Fox is going to most probably settle that one.
And they want $1.6 billion?
You don't hear that one.
Now, let me ask you this.
What stories are not being talked about?
Right now, Russia-Ukraine is so critical.
It's important for you to...
No.
One story at a time.
What about Nashville?
Nope.
Not interested.
Not interested.
See, that's the way we are in this country.
It's one story at a time.
Now, if you ask this question, is Trump being, is this political?
Yes!
When they went after Ted Stevens, when they went after Tom DeLay, when they went after Clinton, they would have loved Clinton.
They would have, oh my God, this is vicious.
They want you, Blagojevich, what's his name, the governor of, what's his name, Ryan of Illinois, to get a sitting governor?
Oh.
To bring down...
You're the man!
And he goes back to Harvard Law School and says, one of our own, you were the first person to indict an ex-president, but not just any ex-president.
Not Millard Fillmore, but no, you!
You got Trump!
You were there!
The name Alvin Bragg will be forever.
Whatever the jury does, who cares?
Whatever.
This is where we are today, because they have all this money in this.
Trump's got to be very careful.
And please, unsolicited advice, somebody tell Don Jr., watch it.
Take away, take away his phone or whatever he uses.
You know how he gets.
Now let me ask you this question.
Could Trump, could it be said that Trump basically Begged for this?
That he wanted this?
That he pushed and chided and forced the hand of Alvin Bragg?
That if he didn't shut his big mouth, he wouldn't be in this position?
Right?
Right?
Could it be said?
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I probably say, no.
Doesn't matter.
Nothing, nothing but nothing.
Nothing was going to get in the way of this.
Nothing was going to get in the way of this.
Do you understand this?
This is the most important issue there is.
This.
We'll talk about this later on.
But for the time being, oh my God!
Now, nobody would want me on Fox News for a variety of reasons.
Well, in this case, you know, it's not what you think.
Could be.
I don't know.
Could Trump be convicted?
Yes.
Absolutely.
I think if this, this, this, this, and this happened, yes.
But he's not out of the woods yet.
Wait a minute.
What?
I don't know if they want to hear that.
They don't want to hear the truth.
They want to hear the news that is framed according to their...
What have you.
Do you understand this?
They want the information that is compatible and commensurate with their worldview and what they want the world to see.
Okay?
That's what they want.
That is the issue.
So listen at your own peril.
It's a waste of time.
It's fun.
Breaking news.
Oh, please.
Where have you been?
Where have you been?
For God's sake.
Alright, now listen to me.
This is, and I'm telling you, I want to give you a legal view of this.
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That's it.
Period.
I'm telling you.
Because this is fascinating.
We've got more cases than you can imagine.
Six total!
Six!
This is just one.
They never let you know that, do they?
And of course, you listen to these shows and go, Trump always gets out of these things.
Really?
That's the way you look at it?
I don't.
I'll tell you when it's good, and I'll tell you when it's bad.
Irrespective.
I don't care who it is.
I don't care who it is.
I called the Casey Anthony case.
Called that one.
I called the Zimmerman case.
I didn't like the results, but I knew it.
I saw what was happening.
And people got upset because they think it means I like them.
I don't know how juridical analysis means this.
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So my friends, I wish you the absolute best.
Let me thank you for being a part of this.
We'll be back tomorrow, same bad time, same bad channel.
Thank you for your interest.
Thank you for this.
I'm going to go through it bit by bit.
Remember, I want you to be smarter.
I want you to go to talk to your friends and say, well, I heard something today that nobody else is saying.
Well, this is what you should be doing.
It's that, whatever.
I'm here to teach.
I want you to know this.
The law is something you're supposed to know.
The law is something you're, and our only guiding, our guiding textbook is the Constitution.
Period.
I know it sounds corny, but it's true.
All right, dear friends, have a great and glorious day.
Don't ever change and mean that sincerely.
And now, on behalf of a grateful nation, I say to you, thank you.
And don't forget these words that I always end with.
The monkey's dead.
The show's over.
Sue ya.
Ta-ta.
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