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April 2, 2023 - Lionel Nation
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Trump Indicted: What They're Not Telling You

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Regarding Trump.
And this Trump indictment and what people are doing that are just so boneheaded and stupid.
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I'll tell you the truth.
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Now, I think you know what's going on right now regarding the President Trump and his indictment.
And I'm going to give you a taste today which I'm going to tell you and just you.
Okay?
I'm going to tell you.
I'm going to tell you.
If this were Hillary Clinton and her theoretical husband, Bill Clinton, she would have the biggest law firms, the, oh my god, Big Law, White Shoe, Names, Kravitz, Swain, Gibson, Dunn, Latham, Sullivan and Cromwell, maybe.
I mean, just boutique.
Litigation.
I mean...
And not only that, there'd be academics and professors and she would have the best legal...
The prosecution would be swamped.
Amici...
Or Amiki, depending upon where you're from.
Amiki's curia, Amiki briefs.
I mean, just everything.
It would be just...
They used to have paper, now it's all electronic filing.
But they would overwhelm them.
Now, if you're a law firm today, or a lawyer, and you represent Trump, you're dead.
You're dead.
So either you have a very...
I don't want to say...
How do I say this?
Kind of a roughened...
Depends upon your practice.
If you...
We're kind of a gunslinger, and those are always at my heart.
The real street lawyer, the girl who's out there slugging it and slogging it.
A lot of these people, believe it or not, I want you to understand something, there are some folks who are great legal minds, they're great appellate lawyers, they are wonderful for Appearing before the Supreme Court, appellate courts, you know, the Second Circuit.
Wonderful at this.
There are some who are more administrative.
And then there's the ones who are the trial lawyer gunslingers.
The ones who do it and know it.
And they're just another breed.
And they're looked down on.
You see, if you want to go into the federal side, If you're one of these folks, you've got to ask yourself, what are you doing?
Well, I'm going to a top-notch grade.
Terrific.
Good.
What do you want to do?
Well, I'm going to go into private.
I'm going to go government.
I'm going to go judiciary.
I'm going to go academic.
What do you want to do?
Where would you want to go?
If you want to go academic, if you want to be a law professor one day, if you want to be a legal intellectual, You might want to spend as little as possible in private practice.
Say you did a year or two with some big firm, but just get out, because it's looked down upon.
It's like, ooh, private practice.
We're better than that.
I clerked with Judge Kavanaugh.
And to be a Supreme Court clerk, oh man, that's great!
So that's, that's you said, well, I don't, private practice, pshaw, pshaw, I don't know anything about that.
I'm better than that.
I'm blue chip.
I'm, well, I went to the, I went to justice for a while.
Did you try any cases?
No, I didn't.
No, I don't try cases.
I just, you know, I, I remember one time we were at a, And I think that's just the most fun because you bring in the element of people.
And the jury sits there and they make it all different.
If it gets to the jury, sometimes you don't want to get to the jury.
But once you're there, I have incredible faith in them.
I really do.
And I know people don't want to say this.
I know people say, well, you know, 80% of Manhattan voted against Trump.
How dare you?
There are people who are able to hold their nose and say, listen, I hate Trump.
I can't stand Trump.
I hate him.
But here's the bottom line.
I don't know what the hell this case is about.
They're saying he knowingly, willfully, intentionally, wantonly, willfully, he did what exactly?
He did what?
What did he do?
Well, he was responsible for what?
Well, he falsified business records.
He did that?
He did.
Trump.
Not his accountant.
Not somebody else.
He did.
Trump's here late at night and says, Hey, nobody looking.
Give me the books.
Let me see.
Let me go online.
Okay, I'm going to move line 43. 130,000.
I'm going to move it here.
And I'm going to recall it.
Attorney's fees.
So I'm going to send it over to Cohen, my fixer, who is going to get a home equity line, so I'm going to reimburse him, and then we're going to refile it, we're going to recategorize it, and I'm going to take a deduction,
maybe not, I'm going to declare his income, pay it back, and then we're going to benefit, and here's where the crime is, we're going to benefit politically because Paying off someone that you had a five-second dalliance with, at best, I don't understand this.
Now, you think a jury is going to say, listen, like I said, this is a jury.
I'm from the Upper West Side, and I'm a lifelong Democrat, but this case is stupid.
I don't even know what the hell it's about.
And I hate Michael Cohen.
That's one thing.
Oh, you don't...
See, this is...
You don't know what happens.
Once a trial starts, things just deteriorate.
I've seen cases where all of a sudden, like, this witness that you thought was okay is the worst.
The cop, the FBI agent, somebody along the line.
What?
They hate him!
Or Cohen gets on the stand, loses his temper.
How about this?
30 counts?
34, 35 counts?
Let me give you a little bit of an analogy.
It's an old one.
I want you to imagine that we have a...
Where is it?
Do I have my pickle?
Oh, here we go.
This is my pickle ornament.
It looks like something else, doesn't it?
Imagine if it was a different color, okay?
Something more biological.
A form of egesta.
That would be gross.
But let's imagine I say, here's a pickle.
And I'm going to, or whatever you'd like this to be, and I'm going to cut this into 34 pieces.
But it's a pickle.
There's one.
I got 34 pickles.
Remember the joke?
I got a pizza.
You want 8 or 16 pieces?
No, no.
I take 8. I can't eat 16. Remember that joke?
Okay.
That's this.
30 counts?
40 counts?
It's the same thing.
It's one transaction.
And again, remember, we are trying to guess what this indictment is about, but we haven't even seen it yet.
We don't know anything.
It could be the Mann Act, which is federal, but still.
So, when they say 30 counts, no.
It's one transaction cut into whatever.
Okay, fine.
Looks better.
Sounds better.
They can do motions.
And pre-trial motions.
Consolidate them.
Sever.
Who knows?
Let's see, I guess.
And let's see if we got Joe Tacopina.
Now, let me tell you something about this.
This is what scares me, and I'm going to just say it the way it is.
Do you remember a fellow named Brendan Sullivan?
Brendan Sullivan was a lawyer representing Oliver North.
The best.
Looked like Mr. Peepers.
Looked like Wally Cox.
Looks professorial.
You would want somebody like John Gleason.
He was the prosecutor who prosecuted John Gotti.
Then he was a federal judge.
Then he stepped down from the bench and went into private practice.
He wouldn't get near this case.
Because if you, your firm would say, you're not going to represent Trump.
We'll never get a business.
Nobody will be blackballed.
That's the way it is.
So instead, you've got Joe Takapita.
A great guy, but this isn't a rapper getting off of a gun charge.
This isn't, you know...
Not that those aren't tough cases.
Of course those are tough.
Not some errant legislator.
Not somebody who gets their, you know, whatever in a sling.
I'm not saying...
This is a little different.
This is a little different.
This is more complicated.
You have no idea how complicated this is.
Now already, already I'm seeing stuff.
And you know, I might be wrong here.
But I hope, I hope that Joe Tacopina is on the phone saying, listen, he has a PR agent.
I'm just saying, I don't know.
But I wouldn't be surprised if he picks up the phone and says, listen, what can you do for me?
I got an article with GQ.
Are they still in business?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Well, I'm just kind of kidding.
I was like pretending.
Yeah, yeah.
Is Playboy magazine?
I don't know.
Anyway, so, like, already I saw New York Magazine.
Who is Joe Tacopina?
And there's one picture where he gets out of his car.
He's got a vest.
It's like, oh, no.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't like that.
No, no, no.
No.
Uh-uh.
It's about him.
And a lot of people, listen, Bruce Cutler did this.
Bruce Cutler, remember Gotti's lawyer?
Bruce, oh, he loved it.
He'd walk around just like he'll do to you.
Of course, they paid off all the jurors.
There's one thing you never know about this.
Bruce Cutler was terrific.
Then Al Krieger gets in the last time and they pack him away.
You don't want a lawyer who's flamboyant.
You just don't.
You don't want Anybody.
Why would he go on, let's say, example, Sean Hannity.
Why?
Joe, why are you going on?
Let other people go.
They'll talk about Trump.
What are you going on for?
You're the lawyer.
What are you saying?
You want me to keep my mouth shut?
Yeah.
No articles.
Nothing about your lifestyle.
Nothing about what you drive.
Nothing about where you live.
And you got a soccer team and this and you're cool and you got your tailored suits.
No!
No!
What are you doing?
I don't want this.
Let other people talk about this.
I want you, no, no, no.
I say, wait a minute, what?
This isn't about you.
And he's thinking to himself, I'm going to be The lawyer for a president of the United States.
Former, whatever.
This is...
The only criminal prosecution is pretty heady stuff.
This has never happened.
Of course, nobody wants this.
That's the best part.
Nobody wants this because you're blackballed.
You're...
Dead.
If you're with a firm, you'll never get a deal.
Business contract?
No business?
Oh, you know that deal we had with such and such corporation?
Forget it.
So, can he sit back and keep his mouth shut?
Just go away.
Do your work.
Don't say anything.
Take that.
Take that.
They're already targeting you.
But let other people say things.
Let other people.
Let other people.
I'll get to Trump in a moment.
But can you do this?
Can you get him to stop doing this?
Can you do this?
That's my first deal.
I want somebody.
I don't want you talking.
I want somebody who says, I don't want to.
James LaRosa, James LaRosa who passed away, represented Paul Castellano.
Paul Castellano.
You never even knew who this guy was.
Who is he?
Then there was Roy Cohn.
Roy Cohn was a joke, but he loved the limelight.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
They have these ones, too.
Sometimes there's a bunch of lawyers where they're mob lawyers.
This is where he gets his suits made, the bespoke lawyer.
I go to get my vest.
You know, that's great.
If you're representing a rapper, Somebody gets caught with a gun.
You know, a sports star.
Maybe.
Maybe it might even help.
I don't know.
But not this.
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Next.
Who's going to tell Don Jr. to shut up?
Who?
Anybody?
Anybody here?
Anybody want to volunteer?
You want to try to get between him and a...
Don, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
F-bomb this.
What are you doing?
What does this accomplish?
It's about you, isn't it?
Yeah, it's just like this guy.
It's all about them.
We'll get to Trump in a moment.
What are they doing?
Why?
What are you doing?
You've got...
Six total cases.
We've got five more to go after this.
What are you doing?
Shut up!
Talk about...
You know what?
Talk about drag queens.
Talk about Nashville.
Talk about anything.
Don't talk about this.
Don't talk about your father.
Don't talk about the case.
Don't.
Don't do it.
You don't have to.
He's on his trial for his life.
Now, there's no way under...
There's no sentencing guidelines, per se.
But a first-time offender in New York?
No, there's going to be no jail.
Sorry.
Enough of that.
Sorry.
There's just not.
It's just, it's not.
They say, well, you know, his lawyer is doing five months in Rikers.
It was a plea deal.
That was an agreement.
It's just different.
He's not going to go to jail for this.
Other stuff down the road.
Because what you're doing is, you're making him a bigger target down the road.
So listen, Mr. Waistcoat, Mr. Fancy Cars, shut up!
Because down the road, this guy Jack's missing.
I'm waiting for you.
I'm next.
I'm next.
Yeah.
I got that Mar-a-Lago case.
Yeah, remember that one?
Or you thought that was...
I've got the obstruction of justice.
Yeah!
Wait till you see that one.
Guess who we're going to use?
Your lawyer.
Because we already had the court set aside the invalidate, in essence, the attorney-client privilege under the crime-fraud exception.
Oh, we got that one.
Plus, we've got January 6th.
We don't even know what we're going to do with that one yet.
We're not done with that yet.
And then our colleague in Georgia, they've got that case where you supposedly were on the phone trying to pressure somebody, and you can laugh all you want.
You might say, oh, that's still more time, more effort, more money.
And then you've got Tish James, who still has her case, which nobody really understands.
She's been...
A day late and a dollar short with all this other kind of jazz.
And then we have...
Oh, there was another one too.
January 6th.
January 6th.
This is Jack Smith.
January 6th.
Mar-a-Lago.
Then you have the Georgia case.
Then you have Tish James.
Oh!
And the best one!
Which I still think is going to be the worst politically and whatever they mean politically is this E.G. and Carroll case.
See, that's sexual battery.
Not good.
Nobody even talks about that one yet.
Because they're going to Weinstein him on that one.
You're going to hear the Access Hollywood tapes and they're going to bring in extra witnesses who are going to say, yeah, and just like G said, he did the same thing to me.
They're going to Weinstein him.
Wait a minute.
Similar fact evidence?
Oh my God.
So you've got Mr., you know, this.
Now, we'll get to the president in a moment.
My friends, how do I say this?
I'm just going to say it.
There are, I have met people in my life, and I always knew this, were little boys.
Little boys who loved, some little boys loved to play cops.
Some loved badges and cars and lights, and some liked guns, and some liked sports, and some liked firemen, and some liked SEAL Team 6, and they loved this bravado, brio, I'm a tough guy, I eat raw meat, I hunt, I lick salt, I eat taquito this, I eat, I, you know what I mean?
I'm tough.
I do steroids.
I'm into UFC.
Think Joe Rogan meets...
Just, you know, this...
Have you heard this?
A lot of these SEAL Team...
Everybody's on SEAL Team 6. Everybody.
There's like 10 million SEALs.
Just this year.
I'm a SEAL Team 6 and I'm with this.
And I was in Delta Force, and they all talk about how they killed, and they did, and God bless them, but there's this little boy thing, and it's the, I'm a boxer, and I'm a tough guy, and I live off the land, and I'm a, and it's this kind of a hyper-idealized, I don't know what the word is, but a lot of people love it, and Trump loves it.
Remember him, he was introducing Jim Jordan.
Oh, Jim Jordan was a great wrestler.
If only Jim Jordan had like a big cauliflower ear, he'd be full.
They'd love him even more.
He's a wrestler.
Doesn't wear a jacket.
Yeah, you were a tough wrestler.
He was a wrestler.
Oh, man.
They love this.
How old are you?
Wrestling?
What are you, a kid?
What's the matter with you?
Yeah, but you know this, and I'm going to hunting, and I'm going to spear.
Okay, Tarzan.
All right, buona.
Take it easy.
What is this?
And here's this guy who's a cool guy.
Ooh, he drives the fast cars.
He got the chicks and the girls and this.
Listen.
How old are you?
What are you, a kid?
Where have you been?
I mean, seriously.
This is what gets you.
These people are going to do you in.
Don't you understand a hotshot, a showboater, when you see one?
So one thing about women, women lawyers, I'll tell you this.
I'll tell you this much.
In many respects, they're much better.
All they want to do is just call me hot.
Please.
Not all of them.
Please.
I'm not saying that.
But a lot of them say, can you just call me hot?
At best.
They don't want to go out and be tough, guys.
They want to be good.
But when you get a bunch of tough guys, hey, here's my lawyer, tough guy, hey, hey, he's a mob lawyer, gets his suits, look at those suits, look at that car, look at this, hey, he's a sharp guy, huh?
Sharp guy, he boxes, he's a Bruce Cutler type, tough, big.
No!
No!
What are you doing?
You're not the client.
This isn't about Facebook or Twitter.
This guy, he's the client.
You want that red dot off of him and off of you.
Go away.
What?
Shut up.
You can talk about this later.
Oh, no, no, no.
I want to do stories now about how, you know, what's it like to be me.
No!
Nothing.
Nothing?
Nothing.
Not where you live.
Not the case.
Who is this man?
Because you know, I know, they're on the phone.
Have you seen Megyn Kelly?
Megyn Kelly is all over every...
I don't know why she's...
And there was some talk about, does she get paparazzis?
You know, paps, we call them in the biz.
PR people?
Maybe.
Oh, no, no, no.
You know the woman lawyer who's representing E. Jean Carroll?
Nope.
Nope.
She represented, I believe, Mary Trump.
Remember the niece of the...
Do you ever know her?
You might have seen her.
Is she on TV?
Nope.
That's a different crew.
Oh, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Today people love TV.
They love TV.
When you win the case, you will have all the publicity you want.
All of them.
And believe me, when you're discreet, the next guy says, I like that guy.
Because you're going to be able to say, when I represent you, you don't see me.
I go into witness protection.
You don't see me.
I don't tweet about it.
I don't talk about it.
I don't do anything about it.
It serves you no purpose.
You don't need me when the world is talking about Trump.
You don't need me, your lawyer, to do anything but just to say, we're going to take care of it.
We've got a motion in.
We're going to work on the statute of limitations.
In fact, the best thing, the best, if it's even possible.
Is to maybe, maybe meet with a prosecutor and say, now listen, let's work something out here.
I'm not going to make you look bad.
You don't make me look bad.
I'll let other people talk about it.
How about this George Soros stuff?
How about Soros?
I don't know who he is.
What?
What do you mean you don't know who he is?
I don't know who Alvin Bragg is.
I never donated any money.
What do you mean you don't donate money?
What are you talking about?
I don't want anything about that.
Alvin Bragniver one time said, George Soros?
Wait a minute, who?
Now, for the first, I think for the first time, don't hold me to this, but for the first time, I think yesterday, I'm here for the first time, George Soros said, Alvin, I never met Alvin, I don't know who Alvin Bragg is.
Okay, wait a minute, there's a big disconnect here.
Okay?
But anyway, let them worry about that.
Now, now, Mr. President, We're going to have a little mock courtroom.
And I've got this camera over here.
And we're going to...
I'm going to sit down.
I'm going to show you some things that you do.
No due respect, sir.
Sir!
Sir!
So I went to the Wendy's.
Sir!
I went to a public.
Sir!
Everybody, sir!
Okay.
So, sir, I'm going to sit down with you.
This is what you look like.
This is Mussolini and this is you.
Have you ever seen Mussolini?
Remember that famous one, Il Duce?
And Trump does this.
Look at Trump.
It's who he is.
I'm not trying to be mean to him.
It's who he is.
He juts his jaw out.
He looks like he's like, what is this crap?
Rolls his eyes.
That jury is going to be watching every single Every blink.
Every reaction.
Everything.
We're going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
You don't even know it.
These are your reactions.
This is what you do.
This is the eye roll.
This is the jut.
This is the strut.
This is the whatever it is.
We're not going to go like that.
I don't know what this is.
What is this?
What is this?
Be careful.
Certain countries, this means...
I don't know what this is.
Hey!
What is this?
What do you want?
The NBA?
Hey!
Hey!
We're on trial!
Hey!
I don't know what this means.
We're going to lose that.
I want you to think church, funeral, solemn.
Not guilty.
Not scared.
Respectful.
Solemn.
We're going to sit.
And they're going to be watching you.
And they've got that courtroom.
And when you're listening to testimony, you're not going to do this.
Don't talk to your lawyer.
There's nothing he wants to hear from you.
You're going to be adding nothing to this.
Make your own notes, and then talk to them later.
Don't do it like this, like, can you believe this, Graham?
Can you believe this?
What is this?
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Do you look at the jury?
And when you look at them and they look at you, what do you do?
Do you nod?
What do you do?
Can you do that?
Are you going to do that?
When we walk in, And we'll see what the courtroom looks like, alright?
This is where we sit.
When the jury comes in, we always stand up.
When they walk out, we stand up before everybody says, all rise.
We stand up first.
We show respect.
Respect to the institution, respect to the court, and respect to that judge.
And you are going to be, you're going to come across, and you're, I mean, you're going to, they're going to leave saying, you know, this guy, I never, you know, he's, and you want me to say stuff like, boy, he's tall.
That's good.
Did you see his expression?
What does he think this is?
Laughing?
Is he waving to somebody?
No!
No, no, no, no, no!
You also have to find out who are the people who are going to come watch this?
Remember when John Gotti had Anthony Quinn show up?
Jay Black from Jay and the Americans?
I forget who.
I don't know who you're going to have there.
You are going to have to, we're going to get the list.
We don't want the wrong people sitting there.
I don't know if I want Don Jr. and what's-her-name there.
I don't know.
Because I don't know if I can trust him.
He might do something stupid.
He might roll his eyes.
He might laugh.
I don't know what he's going to do.
I don't know what.
Those people, if it gets to the jury, Or the boss.
Not you.
Not the GOP.
Not Melania.
No money.
No nothing.
Those people.
And if they decide it, it's done.
It's done.
And if you're not guilty, it's not appealable.
It's permanent.
Fifth Amendment, baby.
That's it.
Double jeopardy.
Jeopardy attaches.
That's done.
And we want to win.
So, Takapina, you're going to have to wait before we talk about your clothes and your car and all that.
You wait until later.
Win this.
Then you can have all that.
And then we've got to go to the next case.
The next one we're going to tee up.
So we're going to practice, Mr. President.
You're going to sit there.
And I'm going to come up like this.
And you're going to hear Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen.
Are you going to glare at him?
How are you going to look at him?
How are you going to look at him?
Do you ever think about that?
No.
Are you going to go like this?
Are you going to get that look?
Are you going to roll your eyes?
No.
Because they're watching you.
And here's how you look at him.
Have you ever been to a nursery?
Not a kid's nursery.
A plant nursery.
Have you ever been to a hospital?
Have you ever been to a...
Have you ever been to watching a marching band that bored you?
Have you ever looked at something and you were looking at something that meant nothing to you?
You weren't impressed.
You weren't frightened.
It wasn't amusing.
It was just nothing.
Nothing.
You just sit.
And you look.
And you watch.
And that's it.
That's it.
I don't care what they voted for.
I don't care if Manhattan was 80%.
I don't care.
Michael Cohen is going to get up there, he's going to say something, and then your lawyer is going to cross-examine.
Now, what are you going to do with that?
That's another one.
Don't do one of these things where you say, just think about this.
Remember, remember, they have, they are, listen to me, Listen to me.
Everybody's talking.
Everybody's talking.
Nobody's listening.
Nobody's listening to what I'm saying.
Because people are talking.
And they're talking.
And I want to say this.
Say, you're not listening to what I'm saying.
Doesn't matter.
Well, I'm not here to listen to you.
I'm just here to talk.
That's fine.
I dig.
No, no, I'm just here.
You don't understand.
I'm going to get done with this and I've got to go back and nobody's...
That's fine.
Okay.
But for those who are listening and will be listening later, listen to what I'm saying.
They've never seen a president.
They're going to be this far away, depending on how big the courtroom is, from a president.
From Donald Trump.
This is a star.
This guy met Kim Jong-un.
This guy was impeached twice.
Melania.
He's been on every show.
This is a star.
Star.
Okay?
This is a star.
And they've never seen anything like this.
But this star is a little different.
This star, they've been told to hate.
And they've been told to despise.
And you're not going to give them any reason to do this.
You want them to say, wow, that guy's impressive.
The best one I ever saw.
Two people.
One.
It was O.J. Simpson when he walked in.
This was in Santa Monica.
Very small courtroom.
And he was just...
He didn't come in and wave.
He just...
They could say stuff.
And he was found liable, of course, because it was a different burden.
And recently, there was a doctor.
A doctor who was charged with some kind of sexual battery.
This was here in Manhattan.
This was serious.
I couldn't tell him from the lawyer.
He walked in.
He had a pad of paper.
He looked like the most nebbishy, most innocent, unthreatening, non-threatening.
He was...
And you thought, this is the guy?
This is the guy?
Remember what this case is.
This is a technical case.
And listen to what I'm saying.
And I know you're not listening, but that's...
Trump doesn't have to prove anything.
I want reasonable doubt.
I want reasonable doubt stops the train.
It stops it.
That's all I want to do.
I don't have to prove anything.
Trump's not going to take a stand.
No.
Reasonable doubt.
You want to clarify the issues, minimize the issues into one thing.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Did the good people of Mr. Bragg's office, did they prove beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt that President Trump, and by the way, they're going to argue about this.
There's a motion in limine.
It's a pretrial motion.
There have been cases where you don't want to refer to somebody as colonel or...
If it's a priest, can the priest who is not excommunicated, can the priest wear his or her vestments?
Is that going to throw them off?
They were arguing about Oliver North, whether he should wear his uniform.
So are they going to call him President Trump versus Mr. Trump?
You don't think that's going to be brought up?
What do you call him?
I mean, his name is not president.
It's an honorarium.
I mean, honorarium, but it's not honorific, but it's a...
Anyway, but the question is going to be, do you believe that this, that the state of New York, this DA, proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump deliberately, knowingly, intelligently, willfully, intentionally Falsified business records to cover up a crime he was aware of.
That he knew that if I give this money to Michael Cohen, who will then give it to Dusty Saddles or whatever, and that she will keep her mouth shut, this is almost, this is tantamount to an in-kind contribution and that What?
What?
What are you talking about?
Did they prove this?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do you even understand what this means?
Did you follow this?
How can you convict him of something you can't even understand?
And my opinion doesn't mean anything, but I don't understand it either.
I don't understand this.
What does this mean?
What are we supposed to do with this?
Seriously.
How are you supposed to find him?
What?
Guilty.
Of what?
And that's it.
Therein is the case.
It's the most important case there is.
It is so critical.
To confuse them.
Now, by the way, I want to make sure you understand this.
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But you see, people don't understand.
Who's been on a jury here?
And by the way, please say no crime was committed, because if the jury says there was a crime committed, the crime was committed.
Who's ever been on a jury?
On a jury?
I never have.
I've spoken to juries, but I've never been on one.
I don't know what goes on.
I've had jury duty a few times.
I never made it.
There was never any...
But who has been in a jury?
Where you sat there and you had one day, two days, whatever it was.
Who?
Not a lot of people.
People have been to jury duty, but not in the jury.
Where you're sitting there and you meet and you talk and you think and you, okay, fine.
It's a very scary thing.
Very scary thing.
No matter what you say, and you have to, when you, and this is something which is the most important, when you are able to convince that jury that you are to be trusted, it's the most wonderful thing in the world, where they look at you and they say, you know what?
And there are some people I know who've just had, oh my, Harold Price Farringer, Philip Corboy, the white-haired, hoary, venerable, oh my.
God, those are like perfect.
He's like your father.
You trust him.
Whatever you say, you know, you listen to him.
You like him.
He has an air of, he demystifies it.
You almost feel better when you see him.
He may have made a few jokes.
You like him.
Hope to God, the prosecutor's real stiff.
Real, ugh, the way you talk.
I never forget what time during jury selection.
During voir dire, I heard a prosecutor, this is years ago, a prosecutor asked a woman, do you work or are you a housewife?
This is when they used that term.
I realized I won.
That was just the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
I've seen lawyers come across so bad, so stiff.
You hate them.
You never connect.
Because don't you understand something?
This is, they're in a courtroom for the first time.
They've been hearing about courts all their life.
They've been watching this.
They're watching TV.
My cousin Vinny, the verdict.
LA Law and blah blah blah and they think they know and there's the judge and wait till you hear the jury instructions.
Oh my God, if you can stay awake for that.
You should hear the not guilty instructions.
A reasonable doubt.
A reasonable doubt is not an absolute doubt.
It's a doubt with which you can attach a reason to.
It's not a forced or speculative doubt.
What?
What is a reasonable doubt?
What is beyond a reasonable doubt?
What does that mean?
If you have to prove, if I had to prove that this morning I had steel-cut oatmeal, which I did, but if I had to prove that, and I say to you, listen, I don't have any proof, any packets, you just have to take my word for it.
I eat it every day.
I like it.
I have this.
That's it.
Did I prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?
You might say, I believe him.
I don't have to tell you why I believe him.
I believe him.
The way he said it, the way who lies about what you...
Yeah, I believe him.
How do you convey that to somebody?
This is the magic.
If they say, I don't believe him.
I don't like him.
There's something weird about this.
And when Michael Cohen takes his stand, Mr. Cohen, you told Mr. Ryan, your lawyer, in a letter that he wrote in 2018 to the Federal Election Commission, that you paid this money voluntarily on your own, that President Trump never paid, and that he was never...
That you were never reimbursed.
You said that.
Yeah, I know.
But you said that you're a lawyer.
Yeah, I know.
Were you lying?
Yeah.
Is that what you pled guilty to when you pled guilty to lying to the federal government?
Yeah.
And lying before Congress?
Yeah.
So you were lying then.
You lied before the Congress.
You lied before everybody.
And why was it?
Why?
Why do you do this?
Why?
Why'd you lie?
Before Congress?
Because you had so much love for President Trump.
You were so smitten.
So what?
What is this reason again?
That's absurd.
It's absurd.
So you lie before your lawyer, Mr. Costello, another lawyer you lie before, and Mr. Ryan.
And the Congress, and everybody, and the federal government, so much so that you pled guilty, but you're telling the truth now.
How do we know?
What is special about now?
You're saying that this, and they're going to show this check, they're going to say this, they're going to show a check that was paid to him from the Trump trust, or whatever it is, revocable trust, or I don't know.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, that's what you say it is.
But you lie.
You lie repeatedly.
Don't you?
You've lied repeatedly.
Now, switch to ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
I hope you have been listening to this, but can you tell me you can find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you believe?
Which version of the facts do you believe?
Their main witness.
By the way, I wouldn't call Dusty's samples or saddles or whatever they miss at all.
What is she going to say?
What is she going to say?
Keep her off that nobody wants to see her.
What does she have to do with anything?
That's not the issue.
There are two words that are being used.
Number one, two words.
One, fixer.
Michael Cohen is not a fixer.
The name implies more than you can imagine.
And number two, this is important, hush money.
You know there's hush money.
There's nothing wrong with hush money.
Nothing.
There's nothing illegal with hush money.
None whatsoever.
And by the way, Bill Clinton never...
There's a meme going around that says, well, Bill Clinton, he's got the worried look where he says, Bill Clinton says, wait a minute, you mean you can die the next president if we're paying hush money?
That's not it.
It's not about paying hush money.
It's...
A violation of campaign laws.
It's fraudulent, falsified business records in order to hide a crime.
And nobody can understand what this means.
Period.
Period.
Okay?
That's that.
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You get one shot.
That's it.
One shot.
And all you have to do, all you have to do, if you can either get them to find reasonable doubt, which is an acquittal, or you hang them up.
One juror says, I don't know.
It's a hung jury.
Mistrial.
Got to do it again.
And nobody, nobody wants to do a trial again.
Nobody.
It benefits both sides, but primarily the prosecution because they know what to do differently now.
Either way, Alvin Bragg's done his job.
If Alvin Bragg loses on a motion to dismiss because of statute of limitations, they're going to ask, why didn't you bring this before?
What happened now?
Why your change of opinion?
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