I see Donald Trump as a much worse threat to this country to this democracy than communism ever was.
He wants to take about away prenatal care and women's care and that's what I'm saying.
What proof do you have for that?
What proof do you have that he had like what proof do you have that he wants to take away prenatal care?
Let me let me pull it up.
Okay.
I don't think you'll find anything that says he wants to take away prenatal care, and he doesn't have the discretion to do that.
Thank you.
What brought you all here today?
Or first let's get your sign out here for the camera.
Trump loves Epstein.
What draws you to that conclusion?
I I think that he is clearly in the Epstein files.
He said that they would release them.
Okay.
And he is not.
And he's pretending like they don't really even exist at this point.
Yeah.
I also am very concerned that what he's doing with uh Jelaine just gonna release her like it's no big deal.
Yeah.
I think everything that went on with Mar-a-Lago, he's just he's admitting basically that he is uh worked with these young girls and go more into that, huh?
Go more into that working with young girls.
Well, I mean, uh the one girl that he um he said that he knew and basically that that uh Jeffrey Epstein had taken her from him, admitting that they were friends and they knew each other.
I think he's in the the plane logs and yeah, he just so he's he's definitely in uh you know any records or files that there might be that he was friends with him, but he actually banned him from Mar-a-Lago when it came out that he was being predatory.
He actually banned him from Mar-a-Lago.
I yeah.
Oh, are you pro-Trump?
I am a Trump supporter, yeah.
Are you?
Yeah.
You don't think he's raped girls?
You don't think all of the felony counts against him and the women that have said that he is sexually assaulted them?
You're not upset by that, or you don't believe any of them?
So first of all, I I am upset by any accusation of rape or sexual assault or any of that.
What convictions?
What's the lady's name?
Oh, the the writer that he raped in the women's dressing room.
He he raped her.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was convicted.
And what and did he spend jail time for that?
No.
A man's never going to jail.
Okay, so you think that he got out of jail for for so I just talked to someone yeah the other day.
Well, I mean, you don't have to be concerned for me, because I'm a strong woman and I have an opinion out here and I I have reasons why I voted for Trump, primarily for deportation.
Yeah, primarily I would say for deportations.
I believe in mass deportations and we should get these people out of here.
Um I'm also pro-life, and I think that's a very important thing for women and uh children to be safe in this country.
I wouldn't vote for anybody who supports abortion for any amount of time.
Thank you.
Yeah, but EJ E.G. Carrolls who you guys are talking about.
You don't can I it's Carol.
It was actually for a moment, just like that he wants to take about prenatal care and women's care and that's what I'm saying.
What proof do you have for that?
What proof do you have that he had like what proof do you have that he wants to take away prenatal care?
I'm very disturbed.
Concentration camps.
I forgot to mention that.
Oh, it's okay.
I just want to know because I've never heard that he wants to take away prenatal care, so I would love to see your sources for that.
Uh-oh, let me let me pull it up.
Okay.
What website are you going to?
I'll let you know.
I don't think you'll find anything that says he wants to take away prenatal care, and he doesn't have the discretion to do that.
Are you having a hard time finding any of that?
I'm pulling it up.
It's the Commonwealth Fund and the restructuring of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has emerged as a central focus of the Trump administration, framed as an effort to optimize government efficiency and reduce bureaucracy, but implemented at the expense of essential public services and programs.
The president's fiscal 2026 skinny budget requested 26.2% cut to HHS from 2025.
Okay, so him going and doing hold on.
It proposes programs focused on women's health, such as the teen pregnancy and prevention program, significant cuts to those offices.
It has already downsized this workforce from 82,000 to 62,000 employees.
Abrupt determinations have hindered staff ability to hand off direct responsibilities effectively.
So I I can respond to things that you have already just said.
I don't want you to read this entire you keep scrolling with paragraphs.
So Trump has never said in the Trump administration has never said that they want to take away prenatal care from women.
Hold on.
But what they're doing is they're cutting back from government programs to reduce fraud and extra spending.
That's what they're doing.
That's what they've been doing across the board.
When you say that he's reducing fraud, what fraud has he reduced?
There's been billions of dollars found through Doge.
There's been a lot of in USAID.
There's been a lot, there's been billions of dollars.
So there's been billions of let me answer you, I can, but you keep talking over me.
So there have been billions of dollars found in just empty government buildings that we are paying rent on that are completely vacant.
And there's been billions of dollars just in rent that we are we are spending money on that he cut from the budget and he he pulled those contracts for those buildings.
There's been another example that he's found a lot.
Doge actually with Elon Musk has found tons of illegal immigrants and dead people on Medicaid and Medicare and on social security.
What you just asked me for, the documentation, your sources, can you cite those for the billions of dollars that he saved when he's spending billions of dollars on uh a military parade for himself?
On the department of government efficiency, you can go to Doge.gov.
For the troops that he's deploying within American city.
You can go to Doge.gov.
But that that's Doge.gov is you we don't think that that's going to be skewed a bit towards Trump since it's his folks that are leading out that where else do you want to get that information from?
Any any objective source?
Your mom likes MSNBC, so maybe if they reported on it, you would believe it.
But otherwise, what about any other thing?
I still don't have proof that he specifically says I want to target prenatal care for women.
Yeah, I mean, women's care includes prenatal care.
When you're trying to block abortion care, which is part of prenatal care.
If a mother is in debt, no, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How is ending the life of a child caring for that child?
The doctor says that that is the best thing for the mother, and the mother is at in danger of losing her life.
That is a part of the medical situations would require an abortion.
What met if a mother is in danger of dying if the doctor doesn't think that the baby is going to survive and it's gonna be hard to do that?
Give me the medical conditions that would require an abortion.
Okay, let's go with that.
Why don't if you're gonna sit here and say this stuff to me, why don't you have the facts?
You don't have the facts either.
You just spouted some, and I don't have it all matters, but I'm to look up the things that I know.
When you get done looking that up, when you when you look up what medical conditions would would require a child to be killed, poisoned, and dismembered in the womb, I will come back to you.
No, no, we're not done.
Hi, sir.
What's the most important thing to fight for today?
So watch out.
Yeah, I am a Trump supporter.
We're out here having conversations with people on the other side today.
Uh-huh.
Seeing uh why they are out here in this blazing Florida sun.
What is so important to fight for today?
I'm a 70-year-old uh biracial male in this country.
I think the when I grew up, uh I remember what they counted as the biggest threat was uh Americanism versus comrades ABC.
Remember that?
I'm only in my 20s, so I don't remember that.
We didn't grow up together.
Yeah, and uh I see Donald Trump as a much worse threat to this country, to this democracy than communism ever was.
So you think Donald Trump is more of a threat than communism is what is communism?
Systematically dismantling what I grew up with uh uh the three pillars of democracy, the judicial, uh the executive, and the judiciary branch.
Well, he's just taking that totally apart.
Can you pull that back just a second?
Just a smidge.
Sure, yeah.
Those you were referencing the three branches of government, which you didn't name all of them, right?
Um, but what is communism?
Um just a little bit.
Sure.
Um when I grew up what they what they touted was communism were company countries like uh not what other people said, but Soviet Union in your words, what is communism?
Uh I would think that it's more uh a style of government where it's not for the people by the people, it's you know, to who is running the country for the benefit of the ruling party, the ruling class, uh and not for the people, even though they count it as for the people.
Um I I don't believe it is.
Okay, so what is communism?
Just a different style of government.
It's just like a different, like, you know, we have lots of different styles of governments, and communism is just a legit form of communism or government?
Uh uh uh representative of the people.
I feel like here we have a republic, you know, which is uh you're actually saying you're electing officials or you're electing people to represent you.
Well, let me ask you this.
Would you prefer we had a communist leader rather than Donald Trump?
Uh no.
No.
Okay.
No, but maybe he isn't as much of a threat as you think he is.
And that's what I think we have now.
Okay.
I don't think there's any ifs ands or buts about it.
I think you have an authoritarian style government, and that's not what I want.
And I don't think that be when I think that's what the founding fathers wanted.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
How can he be an authoritarian when activist judges keep blocking?
Hold on, I'm not done.
I'm not done questioning.
I haven't finished my question.
So there's activist judges out there on the left that are blocking everything that he's doing.
How can he be an authoritarian if he get keeps getting checked and prevented from doing his role as the executive?
Who is controlling who who is the controlling branch of the judicial?
Supreme Court, right?
Right?
Are you asking me to fact check you?
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Yes.
Okay.
Who who controls that?
Who who controls the so the president appoints justices?
Who?
Who I'm talking about federal judges that have been placed around.
Who has placed all those people?
I'm not talking about Supreme Court justices.
Well, I am.
Because that that is all my question.
I mean, that is the main uh you think the Supreme Court is basically under Donald Trump's wing, doing whatever he wants to do?
Yes.
Okay.
So there has been talks that the Supreme Court might uh overturn the legalization of gay marriage.
How do you feel about that?
Say say again.
The Supreme Court might hear an argument for overturning the legalization of gay marriage.
Have you heard about that?
No.
Okay.
Would you would you support that?
No.
Uh no.
No.
Okay.
All right.
Sounds good.
I believe in legalization of gay marriage.
All right.
Thank you for your time.
Appreciate it.
Did you find anything about what?
Yeah, so what conditions would require a mother to poison, dismember, and rip her child from the ring.
Why are you saying it like that?
Well, you okay?
So tell me how an abortion happens.
So I mean, it can be medically induced by the life is not even a fetus at that point, but you don't believe in a woman's right to what do the pills do?
But I'm asking you, why don't you believe in a woman's do you think she should be forced to care if the baby's already dead?
So that's not an abortion.
Well, that's what I'm asking you.
Do you feel like a woman experiences a miscarry as a baby, or if it's going to put her life in peril, would you want her to carry that baby?
That's a myth that there is no medical situation that would require an abortion ever.
Why is that myth?
Can you show me your proof of that?
Yeah, so you're claiming.
So remember when we first started this conversation, you claimed you keep talking over me.
You claim that there are medical reasons why a woman would have to end the life of her child in the womb.
And I asked you for proof about that.
So that is on your shoulders to prove.
But what I'm going to tell you.
So it's called the burden of proof.
When you make a statement, you have to come up with that proof and show it to me.
And I see you've been tapping a long time.
I mean, I just talked to your dad for probably 10 minutes.
Thank you.
Uh make sure you tag me.
It could be for placental abruption, severe bleeding or hemorrhage hemorrhaging, severe preclampsia, blood pressure, and organ damage.
You're using AI overview on Google.
That's what you're getting for why a child should have to be murdered in the Everyday Health.
Six medical abortion reasons for abortion.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't understand where your proof is coming from.
Yeah.
So I could go through every single one of these conditions and tell you away that that is there's not a medical reason for an abortion.
Give me one example.
Severe hemorrhaging.
Severe hemorrhaging.
So at that point, what would probably happen is that the doctors would induce early labor and have her birth the child to help that or an emergency C section where we would try to save the life of a child.
The thing that people I'm done done talking, you ask me a question, I'm not done talking.
The thing that people confuse is that when there's a medical can you I'm talking to you.
So you're trying to find ways to disprove what I'm saying.
So when there's a medical condition, treating the mother does not always mean we have to first kill the child.
So like for cancer treatment.
If a mother is pregnant and she's only 10 weeks along and she wants to get treatment for a cancer diagnosis that she has, she has the right to treat herself with for with the can for the cancer.
Now the drugs will cause a miscarriage, but that's not an abortion because the intention is not killing the child.
And a hemorrhaging, if the baby needs to be delivered early, we don't first kill the child in the womb.
We are treating the mother and the baby.
So if the mother's going to die, we can remove that child and try to give them life-saving measures.
There's no medical condition where first we would need to uh stop the beating heart of a baby or poison them from the inside out or dismember them to save the mother's life.
In fact, that would take more time to do than would be to actually do a C-section and try to save both people.
A mother would be at more risk going through an abortion for a hemorrhage, a hemorrhaging situation or placental abruption than it would be to perform a C-section.
Does that make sense?
Everything that you say, I believe that you believe it.
I know you're not a medical doctor.
I don't know that there are I am absolutely not.
Well, when we're on the same plane.
I can also say that I don't think it just has to be for medical reasons.
I do believe that women have the right to choose.
And that is not the only reason that I don't think Trump should be the president.
I believe in a woman's right to choose as well.
She can choose adoption, she can choose parenthood, or she could choose abstinence.
Yeah.
I believe in a woman's right to choose, even if it's not for medical reasons.
I know.
There are many legitimate medical reasons that a woman may need to abort her baby with the care and under the care of a medical doctor.
Last question before I move over there.
Well, you're dragging on, so I'm gonna move over there.
Um at what stage of gestation do you think it should be blocked off?
I think whenever a doctor under the I'm gonna move on to those people over there.
Do you have a week in mind that you would prefer abortions not happen after?
Please don't use you, don't have permission to use my voice or my likeness.
Well, I don't know.
We are going to use it.
You're having a discussion under good faith.
Yeah, I know.
Like that's that's really disappointing.
Okay.
Do you have a week that you would prefer abortions not to happen after or abortions all the way for any reason?
I feel that under a doctor's medical care, when they recommend it, yeah, or when they allow it, that's who should be making the decision.
Not a man who I'm sure has paid for many abortions on his own.
Okay.
That's a fair point.
We don't know.
I I wouldn't be surprised if he has either.
But what week should we outlaw abortions?
Again, under a doctor's medical care.
32 weeks.
That it's appropriate.
32 weeks should be legal.
A 32-week old baby in the womb, you would support dismembering and snuffing them out.
Under a doctor's medical care.
It's a yes or no.
Just bl proudly say that.
You're okay with a 32-week old baby in the womb about to be born.