Harry, Stelios, and Nate dissect Kelly J. Keene's redefinition of British identity as a mere "feeling," exposing logical contradictions regarding the Islamic Caliphate, while critiquing Louis Theroux's Netflix documentary for ignoring systemic manosphere grievances amidst his crypto grifting. The conversation shifts to the Oscars' perceived racial quotas in films like Sinners and analyzes modern cinema's decline into flat, CGI-heavy digital aesthetics compared to the tangible realism of Super Bad, concluding that both political identity and artistic merit are eroding under pressure from performative diversity mandates and technological shortcuts. [Automatically generated summary]
Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1376.
I'm your host Harry joined today by Stelios and Nate, otherwise known as Mr. H Reviews.
Thank you for joining us as always.
Good to get an invite back.
Well, you know, it was 50-50 coin flip, but you never know.
Yeah, yeah.
Bo wasn't on your side, but you know, the rest of us were like, Bo, you can't keep talking about Nate behind his back like this.
Bastard.
I know.
I know, right.
Because, of course, they hold a they host a show together.
What is it called?
State Politics.
It's the next link, by the way.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I can't see it.
It's right there.
Samson's fiddling with cameras, so you can't see it.
But just a few things to say.
We are going to be covering the British just being a feeling these days.
Is it on screen yet, Samson?
Yeah, yeah.
So there's State of Politics.
State Politics.
There you go.
Where you can check out Nate and Bo talking all the time.
And all the time, constantly, about any nonsense.
We're also going to be talking about, Stelios is going to be discussing the Louis Theroux Manosphere documentary, which I have not watched.
You have, obviously.
Have you watched it?
Yeah, I'm interested to find what your take was on it.
And I'm going to be talking generally more about film, the Oscars, and why films look terrible right now.
They just look rubbish for the most part and why no one can agree why that is.
One last thing before we start is that we do have the live show, so make sure to get tickets for that whilst they're still available.
That'll be on the 11th of April.
If nothing else, come because Nate has promised to be there and will be planning on getting as sloshed as possible.
A true story.
A true story.
Everything that's going to be happening on stage.
And instead, watch Nate get so drunk that his trousers will fall down.
It'll be hilarious.
I assume that's what's going to happen at least.
Maybe.
We'll see.
And also, there is a live brokenomics after this at three o'clock where Dan is going to be talking about the Iran war and the chain of decisions that has led to it.
So all very exciting stuff.
With that, let's get into the news.
All right, let me just share something to me.
So British is just a feeling.
Once again, we're back.
We're back at this conversation where British is just a feeling.
So a little bit of a self-plug here.
I posted this on Twitter because a bit of a crazy statement from one Kelly J. Keene or Posey Parker.
I'll kind of read this out in a minute, but we'll just watch this and set the stage, I guess.
Is there any parts of right-wing politics that you don't agree with?
Yes, there is.
There's this new kind of, if you're not white and Christian, you're not British.
I find that quite objectionable.
As any of my kids could marry someone who isn't white, like my husband's white, so my kids are white, and all our ancestors are white.
But I can't think for a moment that I would go, oh, well, my grandchild's mixed race, therefore, not really British.
I just can't get on board the colour of that.
And people have talked about it a lot.
Look, I'm English.
I'm ethnically English, but I'm nationally, I'm British national.
And I think it's a culture, it's a frame of mind.
It's, you know, it's just the way you behave, whether or not you're British and where you're born, maybe.
But I think you can, I think you can become British.
It's just an attitude.
Yeah, and I hope the audience realise that I'm so opposite.
I just want to pause it there.
Are you picking up on anything?
Maybe some parallel arguments that have been used, maybe in what she's speaking more about how she grew to notoriety.
Any other argument there about you can just feel something, maybe?
So I'm just going to...
In a certain way?
I'm going to preface this by saying that we've had Poseyon a number of times.
We consider her a friend of the show.
And like, personally, I think Posey is great, but this is a very, very confused statement that she's giving there, even outside of all of her anti-trans activism and the fact that this is directly contradictory to that.
She's literally just saying, using the trans argument for how you can be British as long as you feel British, which is just not really true.
Similarly, the statement in and of itself is just contradictory in all manner of wild ways.
Let me just do this.
I'll try occasionally to be Kelly's advocate on this just for conversation's sake.
Right.
So I do agree with Harry because there are several contradictions there or lots of stuff that she said that seems to me to be more of speed of the tongue in that respect.
Because this reminds me of the ethnic and the civic nationalism debate.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, yeah.
And she mentioned culture.
And culturism, I mean, it does have the aspect of a sentiment inside sometimes.
Not only that, it is a way of behaving, but yeah, just throwing just words isn't the most helpful.
But yeah, I'm sure you have more to show.
Oh, I've got loads more.
Got loads more.
So those initial comments.
Well, perfectly reasonable, but then she's going to make you disregard a lot of what you just said.
Well, I'm also going to add a few other things as well here, and this is to reflect my own mentality.
And for mixed race people watching this show, she's completely true in saying her grandkids would be English.
They would be part of English.
They would be absolutely part.
You know, we have Calvin on the show, and I wish nothing but the best for him.
But of course, in terms of decisions that are yet to be made and values and such that you want to pass down onto your own children, she says that, you know, all of her ancestors are white British, all of her husband's ancestors are white British.
As a global section of the population, white people, and in particular as well, white British people, actually, to be fair, white British people, Anglos, are probably the largest single ethnic group across the entire world of European-descended people.
Probably followed up by Germans in America as well.
But as a global population, we are white people, the absolute minority.
That's 17%, I think, last.
Lower than that.
I believe it's lower than 10%.
Yeah, there's conflicted.
This is why they've started using phrases like the global majority when they refer to non-white people now.
And the question is: is it not a shame to break that continuity?
Is it not a shame to essentially advocate or excuse or hand-wave away the destruction of your own ethnic group?
I'm not going to go as far as to say it's genocidal rhetoric.
It's ethnocide, for sure.
But it's ethnocidal.
Just two other things, right?
One, would you not want your descendants to look like you and to be able to recognize those features in yourself, in them?
You know, one of my great prides and my Mrs. Great Prides is when we look upon our daughter and we can see our different features.
And similarly, we can see the personality traits that she's inherited from both of us.
It's a great joy to be able to pass that down from generation to generation.
And similarly as well, there is the very thorny genetics subject here as well.
And again, this is not to insult anybody of mixed ancestry.
You know, nobody chooses who their parents are going to be.
Your parents choose to have you.
But there is the Ed Dutton argument as well, which is if you have a mixed race child, genetically speaking, you're more closely related to any random European person you pass on the street than you are to your own descendant, which is a very tricky place to find yourself in.
All right, well, let's continue because some of the things that you guys have said.
Ah.
Chef's kiss.
A very, very intelligent woman.
So that answer should be taken notice of because there's a lot of these F nats beating that you're going home drum if you're black, brown or yellow.
And for me, I think the whole you can become British culturally and mentally because your attitude controls your outitude.
And I know a lot of foreign people that contribute so much.
They've assimilated, they pay their techs, they support that, you know, they protect my friends, my family.
I've worked the door with them.
They saved my ass.
And I guarantee some of these F nats, not only are they missing teeth.
You want to respond to Shil Mitchell?
I'm just thinking back to his interview with Steve Laws.
My Nigerian mate, Footlong, right?
Is my Guyan is my mate from British?
Well, you just said he's Guyanan, mate.
Yeah, so come on.
It gets worse.
It gets worse.
They've probably never worked a day in their life.
It's like, well, which one would you rather be in the country?
The spongy and ethnet or the contributing African.
That's right, Shil Mitchell.
Just toss your ethnic brothers to one side because maybe they've been displaced in their homeland and they're unable to get a job because of unfettered, legal and illegal immigration.
And maybe an African was given everything on a plate.
That's right, Shil Mitchell.
Just toss them all under a bus.
Don't worry about it because they're unable to get a job.
How about everyone up north where you really, really, really struggle because the economic zone is completely fallen apart?
How about that, Shill Mitchell?
How about that?
What are you going to do?
An ethnic Brit is worth less to you than some random African migrant just because they got handed everything on a plate.
They came here.
They're put up in a hotel.
Really?
This is absolutely absurd.
It's so disgusting.
Also, that's just not a statistical reality.
No.
It's just like you're picking two imaginary people.
And in terms of the statistics, if you were the god hand from black and white or something, and you had a group of 100 white English people and 100 black African people who got here yesterday, and you were to just randomly pick one, you're so much more likely to pick an economically contributing white English person than black African person in this country.
That's just a ridiculous nonsense.
But in his eyes, he would much prefer to toss the ethnet that maybe can't get a job out of the country.
That's what he's just exposed there.
It's disgusting.
It's absolutely disgusting.
It gets worse.
I agree.
Someone said to me the other day, oh, you're a traitor.
You should be defending white people.
And I'm just like, I just can't.
I just don't see it's productive.
It's ridiculous.
Never trust someone who can bite into a curly whirly and not hit any chocolate.
What does that even mean?
It's classist snobbery.
I've never heard that before.
What does it mean?
It's about people that can't get good dental health care.
Oh, and I wonder why you can't do that.
Posey?
Posey, I wonder why people can't seemingly access the NHS dental service at the moment.
Ah, yes, that would be oversubscription.
Yeah.
Do we understand supply and demand?
Yes, basic supply and demand we understand.
But the moment it involves random foreigners, we toss the supply and demand equation completely out of the window.
So there's that.
So that's the statement.
This is what we're talking about today.
What do you reckon, guys?
Do you like it?
I hate it.
I want to see what you have next because I see this smile.
Ah, yeah, well, this is not working.
Is this working?
Is it mental?
Do the boxes have?
Oh, it's working.
My God.
And now we start to look into the contradiction.
Like a Radio Genoa video or something.
Yeah, now we start to look at the contradiction.
So Kelly J. Keene, the British caliphate.
But apparently British is just a feeling.
It's just a vibe.
Anyone can be British, Kelly.
What's going on here?
If the British is simply a feeling and an attitude, the British Caliphate can literally exist as per her logic.
And let alone getting into the argument that the staggering lack of self-awareness, and I know Kelly is a friend of the show, but how can you be so disconnected from what has created you as a figure?
Combating people that claim anyone can become a woman by using the very same arguments you're using to claim anyone can be British.
It's absurd.
And like that, anyone can dismantle your argument now, Kelly.
The moment you stand up and start doing your activism, everyone will just go, yeah, but you said anyone can be British, love.
Because it's just a vibe, it's just a feeling.
It's just absolute drivel and nonsense.
It's okay to say that the British are a people.
It's okay to say that.
If I'm going to try to steal men posy, I'm going to try to argue from her perspective because she's not here to defend her.
Let me do that.
I'm the villain of the.
I'm the villain of the show.
No, no, no.
Sometimes you die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the.
But she did defend herself.
I had an interaction with her.
Well, I was just going to say that from Kelly's own perspective, I would imagine that she would argue that the realities of gender and sex are much more distinct than within race, where there is a definitive cut-off with sex that you don't see as sharply as you do with genetics and race, where there are some kind of like wiggle rooms and grey zones in between.
And she is still ultimately arguing on behalf of a cultural British nationalism and a cultural British identity.
And it isn't.
She threw out Christianity for starters.
So the Islamic British Caliphate can exist as per her own logic.
She's already thrown out you have to be white and Christian or at least Christian values to be British.
She's already thrown that out.
So as per her own logic, the British Caliphate can exist.
It goes on.
My son's college has no idea how many undocumented migrants attend this or any campus and have taken no extra safeguarding steps.
But they might feel British, Kelly.
They might feel British.
What's wrong with them?
Oh, sorry, what was Stellios?
No, no, I just want to say because there are just lots of things being thrown here, both by Kelly and I think from what he said, it's just the Christian bit.
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I know, for instance, some people who identify as pagans.
Some of them are also friends of the show.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say Tom Rousell isn't English or British.
Neither would I. That's her position.
Okay.
It's to throw out.
What that was was a thinly veiled attack at Restore Britain, right?
Which doesn't even make any sense because that's not what Charlie Downs said.
Okay.
Right?
But that's what that was.
Well, Charlie.
Thinly veiled.
Charlie was talking about the Christian heritage of England and Britain more generally.
If you're talking about Britain more generally, we have 2,000 years of Christian heritage going, or almost 2,000 years going back to Roman Britain when the Brits were converted under the Roman Empire.
And then after the fall of the Roman Empire, it only took, what, 100, 200 years between the Anglo-Saxons arriving before they were all converted.
I mean, you have Bede writing in the early 7th century, and he's already writing the ecclesiastical history of the English people, that being a recognition of the English as a Christian people.
So Charlie really was just speaking to a historical reality.
You know, I agree.
I absolutely agree.
I agree that, but she doesn't.
But I also agree that, yeah, you could be pagan and still be British.
Like, I accept that.
She doesn't, though.
That's the thing.
Right?
And so if you're going to throw out any of these kind of defining factors of what is going to make someone British, you can't sit there and now then claim that the British Caliphate couldn't exist under her own logic.
Right?
Where's your position?
Same as this.
Oh, there's been a misgender.
Right.
Okay.
Well, I mean, that's fine.
You can laugh about misgendering, Posey.
But it's all fine and dandy to laugh at people who claim that British identity exists.
Yeah.
One of the things I want to hear from people who are defending the civic line of argumentation is, right, you are talking about culture as being a way of life that involves pattern of sentimentality and values.
But what are these values?
Occasionally they say, but the question is, are these values compatible with a caliphate?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, to build off of that, her position is it's just a feeling.
It's how you act.
It's like, but who are you acting?
Who are you acting like, Kelly?
You're acting like a people, a group of people.
And who are they, Kelly?
The British, who are the British.
Even using her own statements, it completely gets dismantled into pieces.
Well, yeah, too often when they talk about British values, what we end up discussing are the kind of more post-war liberal values.
And even then, liberal, I would say, is very different in the post-war period to what it was in the pre-war and Victorian period, where I would basically say that liberal values now are just like free market Edward Bernays wants to sell women cigarettes forever.
That's what I see, like a complete radical individualism so that you can be a mindless consumer.
And packaged along with that come these British values of tolerance and acceptance and inclusivity, which aren't really British values.
I'd say if there is one prevailing British value that's been held for a good few centuries by British people, it's been a general sense of fairness, which is different from inclusivity and different from tolerance.
It's a very distinct difference.
We're quite an intolerant people, actually.
That's why we conquered the majority of the world and imposed our own position on certain countries.
Oh, Indians, you're welcome.
The fact that women whose husbands have died, you're welcome you're not burning on a funeral pyre.
You're welcome.
The British did that.
The British stopped that.
That was our intolerance to a barbaric act.
You're welcome, Indians.
Anyway, so it goes further, if this thing works.
Just another, again, just ideological sort of hypocrisy from Kelly J. Keene.
Predatory men will shield themselves with whatever ideology or job or vocation that provides them with cover that enables their abuse.
I mean, I agree.
I agree.
But what about predatory subversives looking to accept being replaced, Kelly?
Anyway, we'll continue on.
Oh, the rights of women and children will be erased.
But I thought anyone could be British, Posey.
This is all about Islam.
The foundation of that entire religion is Peter Villier.
And I've heard many a conversation on this channel.
They will justify how that's fine and it was a different time and it was a different place.
And no, it wasn't.
It was a ch- Right, okay.
Well, that's just vacuous, incoherent nonsense as well, Kelly, unfortunately.
Because if they just come here and they feel like they're British, according to you, they're British.
So again, just brilliant.
Love it.
Oh, what's this?
Are there some on the right who would not consider this man British?
I just like to slightly take those not watching, just listening, it's an African guy.
It's a black guy, and he calls out British politicians who are anti-Trump.
Is your statement here, Kelly, that you have to be British to make a coherent argument, an intelligent argument?
is it the thing that's always assumed what what are we doing here Is that there is some kind of value judgment in stating factually whether somebody is or isn't British?
Again, it's a factual statement and what we take issue with is our own existence being denied to us.
When we're not saying that there's anything inherently wrong with not being British, we have a preference for our own.
But I'm in favor of people having pride in themselves and pride in their own histories and achievements.
And it's removing our ability to hold that pride in ourselves that we dislike.
Spelios isn't British, but he is a friend of the British.
So I wanted to ask you, how exactly do you define British?
I'm not trying to.
You're from the British Isles.
Okay, so is it just being part of the fourth ethnicities?
I would put it down to the ancestry.
The kind of expansion of British to be a broader civic identity is a holdover from the Empire, really, when you became a British subject, if you were under the Empire.
But prior to that, really, British is Scottish, Welsh, English, native descended from the fourth ethnicities of these isles.
That's what I would say.
The main okay.
Yeah, I think that just keeps it nice and simple and stops from having all of this wiggle room and grey area where our identity is somehow up for debate.
Yeah, that's how I would always, and always have defined it.
And so she does actually understand.
She does actually understand because she then decided to post a timeline of events.
Short timeline, Britain's peoples.
Right, okay, so you do understand then.
Kelly, you do understand.
Why did you...
What are we doing here?
What's going on?
Could this be her own sense of fairness coming through the idea that, oh, it would be unfair to exclude these other people as long as they are patriotic and not trying to hurt women?
No, I do.
I literally genuinely.
But could it just be that she's trying to speak to an audience that she knows that Liam Tufts already has?
Again, I mean, I'm not trying to necessarily carry water for her arguments.
I'm trying to understand.
Yeah, no, I genuinely don't understand.
It's constantly flip-flopping.
And this is why I'm showing you so many examples.
And then, and then, well, of course, now it's blame misogyny.
So this was this morning.
I never doubted that misogyny is alive and well on the right and the left.
And so I chimed in, shameless plug.
Make a stupid comment that has been used to argue that men can be women, be a classist snob, and have an out-group preference, which you literally did by saying, I won't defend white people, then blame misogyny.
No introspection, no self-awareness.
I didn't, she replied.
I mean, you did, in fact, do all of those things, Kelly.
Your argument that being British is an attitude and a feeling, you can just act a certain way and be British, is the precise argument used for men can be women.
If you can't see that, then that's on you.
You then begun looking down your nose at people with apparently bad teeth, typical classes of nonsense from you and Liam.
I won't defend white people comment, that's an out-group preference.
You live in Wiltshire, the demographic change has not reached us yet, I know because I live here as well.
But nodding along that an African brought here and given everything on a plate is more worthy than the downtrodden native Brits is suicidally empathetic and you destroyed all of your credibility in a heartbeat.
And then tries to defend it.
Liam made a joke about a particular type of person.
I thought not all people with the view that British only refers to ethnicity.
And so a particular type of person that is seeing the demographic change of their country firsthand, whom also cannot access the NHS dental care because the demographic change of their ancestral homeland and whom may not be able to get a job because the demographic change of their homeland.
It's all well and good laughing, laughing at all and showing no sympathy.
But that's just a reflection on you and Liam.
It's on some video.
We saw it all.
So there was that.
And this is just to round it out, which may seem a bit left field.
But it's all about integration, basically.
It's the same argument that people have been making about integration.
If they just act British, they're British.
So we can claim that they're British and we can just integrate with them all.
fantastic i mean this is a really a lot of this is a question of if they're already culturally compatible And then also, just frankly, a matter of scale.
Many people have pointed out it's very, very different if you go back to the 1990s and you find one or two token black or Asian people being described as British and nobody having complaint about that at the time.
I mean, one, there was media suppression of opposing narratives and there were already people who were complaining about it who just didn't get their fair day in court.
But also, it was a much smaller problem back then when it's one or two people and maybe you've got a guy who lives on your street around the corner who is friendly, who has tried to integrate.
It's a completely different scale, particularly following the Boris wave.
Oh, yeah.
I have a question with respect to her point, because I don't know about it.
Maybe you guys do.
What are the limits for inclusiveness to British identity according to her?
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Literally no idea.
It's the same position, Nigel.
But what?
I think it's going to be Islamic.
Well, yes, maybe.
Well, she's a Zionist.
So, yeah, maybe.
Maybe it is that.
Honestly, I don't know because it's so incoherent.
I mean, you don't have to say that.
seems to be no Zionist to oppose um what no no I agree I agree but it's the Nigel Farage position basically which is it's yeah um So I don't know at the end of the day.
I have no idea because she pretended that she didn't do those things.
She did do those things.
So she was presented with an opportunity to actually respond to it and just lied, just denied the existence of the video, which clearly shows she did those things.
So I don't know.
Genuinely, I don't know.
And just to round this out, this is a post just highlighting Connor Tomlinson, who was just talking about national identity, right?
Deriving from ancestry.
And Harry and Glay Divi said, God, they're still trying the trans argument.
And I'm like, well, Axel Rudicabana was a Welsh choir boy then, I guess.
Yeah.
What are we doing?
All right.
There you go.
Get that man off screen right now.
Not Connor, the other one.
Oh.
Oh, there you go.
I want to do that.
Poor Harry.
Yeah, poor, poor boy.
Let's go through the rumble rants quickly before we carry on to the next segment.
And it's all right, Samson.
We can use the mouse ourselves.
Thank you.
Sigil Stone, Harry, you're suspiciously Irish.
Check the other two for green and pinch them if they don't have any.
Happy St. Paddy's Day, lads.
I don't know how I'm looking particularly Irish today.
I have an English pin on and wearing wearing very dark colours.
The English and the Scottish have been flaxen-haired for years.
I'm just saying.
Also, I've actually taken multiple genetic tests, no matter how much they try and subvert me by suggesting that I've got some, like, Eastern European in me or something, which I don't.
Have you done the...
What test have you done?
Have you done living DNA?
I've done ancestry and they have updated the results a number of times.
Never once giving me Irish.
I also have done living DNA.
Did you do the Viking test?
No, I didn't do the Viking test.
Because I did the Viking test.
And I've got Eastern European Viking.
Eastern Europe.
I've got Ukrainian Viking rapist in you.
They took quite a bit of time.
They got quite a journey to get back around to England, didn't they?
No, I've done living DNA and I came back, like literally, no Scottish, no Welsh, no Irish, 96%, 96 point something percent English and then 3 point something percent Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Scandinavian.
I am almost like I'm about pure English.
Did you do the Neanderthal toath?
I did that.
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No, I suspect it would come out quite high.
Well, no, so you want like a medium, a good amount is like a medium amount, medium to high amount on their scale.
Have you seen this brow ridge move?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
All right, I don't have the mask piece.
It's good, it's good stuff.
Yeah, I have just spilled my coffee.
Thanks.
Too excited about Neanderthals.
Yeah, clearly.
Celeste, do you mind just clicking off?
I right-clicked by accident while I was passing it to you.
There are a few others.
That's a random name, and Sigil are all attributing particular quotes to me.
You know, Calvin, you're one of the good ones.
He is.
I still love you, Calvin, despite your thorny genetics.
Fact-check true.
You're a good one, Firaz.
You get a parachute before we toss you out the plane.
I don't know.
We can carve out a corner of the cots walls for Firaz.
He's a good lad.
Cass Adwin, if there were only one mixed-race person in 99.9% white England, whatever, but that isn't the case.
Our people are under threat of erasure, so forgive us if we're not willing to compromise on this.
Even then, though, actually, mixed race is only maybe like 2 or 3% of the entire population.
The revealed preference is that people just don't really do it.
And for those of mixed ancestry who don't hate the white side of their family, as is sadly all too often the case, I don't have much of a problem with them at all on an individual level.
Bay Stape, I think you can one-shot the lefty argument here by forcing them to answer the question, what's wrong with not being British?
I thought these people were all about diversity.
Exactly.
There's the value judgment that they're assuming that we're not presenting.
Random name again, intolerance is definitely a British value based on how they've treated your kind, Harry.
What, the English?
Okay.
And Cranky Texan, regarding non-Christian Brits, a fish can believe that air is just as good as water until the land animals move in and drain the pond.
All right, let's move on to our next segment.
Netflix released a documentary called Inside the Manosphere by Louis Theroux, and literally everyone is wrong about it.
I want to infuriate you, but actually, you'll agree with me by the end of this segment.
But before we say more about it, Harry has something to tell us about a live event.
Oh, yes, we have our live event coming up on the 11th of April between 7 and 10.
It will be in Swindon, so make sure to bring your stab-proof vest along.
But if you do so, you'll get the chance to see me.
Will you be there, Stelios?
Probably not.
You won't get to see Stellios.
For other reasons.
But you'll get to see me.
It's open.
You'll get to see me, Carl, Bo, Dan, Josh, for some reason.
I didn't even realize he still works here.
Firaz.
And a number of others.
You'll be able to see Very Drunk Nate.
And with that, you'll be able to see a live podcast of Lotus Eaters, a live Lance Hour and Sandwich in between those.
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Speaking of Carl Benjamin and also Louis Theroux, here is Carl's video about Louis Theroux and the documentary about the Manosphere.
Check it out.
I'm going to disagree with Carl respectfully.
Let's move on.
What?
Do it disrespectfully.
Call him a cuck.
I mean, I try to be diplomatic in how I phrase things, but you also know that there is a rich tapestry of what's happening.
I hide the fury underneath your calm demeanor.
Right.
I asked people, has anyone watched Louis Theroux's documentary about the Manosphere?
If yes, what did you make of it?
Rory said that it reminded him of the value of hard labor.
A lot of these people need to be labor camps, and I absolutely agree with him.
So let me put a like to Rory here.
A lot of these people need to be.
Oh, he said, should be put in labor camps.
A lot of these people just need to be like working in the mines.
Right.
So everyone is wrong about it.
Everyone.
Including Louis Theroux?
Yes.
Except for myself, obviously.
Right.
One of the issues is that when we have documentaries and when documentaries are released, there's a difference between the content of the documentary and the framing of the documentary by a number of people who are trying to make something out of it.
A good example is adolescence.
I mean, if you just look at it, you can just see some part of it.
I know Queer Stalin said it was a documentary, but I think it wasn't.
But the way it was presented and the way everyone started speaking about it and the way everyone started saying this is representative of the average Zuma kid or of the average generation after Zuma's alpha.
The alpha kid.
That's when things go south.
And this is what has happened here as well.
Because Louis Theroux, he is very sneaky about it.
In several parts of the documentary, he throws some comments that contextualize who he's talking about that lots of people have missed, especially people who haven't watched it.
But he hasn't on the other side gone out and say, no, other people are framing the documentary and are making points that I wasn't making in the documentary.
So it's a good marketing strategy.
But again, it's the framing by many sides that get things wrong.
So you're contending that Louis Theroux himself has presented some of the information in bad faith?
Not necessarily, but he hasn't said no to people who have tried to make it a much larger thing than he claimed inside the documentary for that to be.
And I want to say that at the end of the day, I think, you know, if you want, just watch it.
I think it does have some good value in it.
I will say how exactly I think this comes about and why.
That's the most important reason.
And you can just look at it and see some good things in it, irrespective of what you may think of him, what he says about it, and what other woke progressives say about it.
And actually, I'm going to say how it can be productive to men who have been, let's say, let down by the system and society and by feminist, by ultra-feminism.
There is something for men who have grievances against the onslaught of feminism.
One thing I would imagine a lot of people who dislike the framing of the documentary would say was that society is against men right now.
This group that he's looking at, no matter how coarse you may find them online, are trying to do their best to better themselves.
So this is essentially if he's going out and trying to make it sound like these men are all psychopaths and extremists or terrorists in waiting, this is basically going out and kicking them while they're down.
That's not what he did, but that's part of my big criticism to him is just he threw some really substantial points that contextualize what he did and he just didn't emphasize on them.
And that's the most important thing.
So for instance, he didn't demonize the Manosphere, although he is presented as sort of being against the Manosphere.
Like here we have this article by Bazaar that is contextualizing what he did in terms of, you know, the Manosphere's main players or Louis Theroux against the Manosphere.
Within the documentary, he says that he finds the majority of the Manosphere relatively uncontroversial.
That's about 17 minutes in.
But then he says that he's going to focus on a few outliers because he finds them more intriguing.
But that's something that in the framing wasn't there.
And he didn't expand more on that.
So he directly says that he's talking about outlies.
But it's somewhat brushed over.
Yes.
And especially when it comes to him talking about some of these influencers, especially Justin Waller, he isn't trying to make a demonic to paint a demonic portrait.
He does try to build a human portrait.
And he tries to say, for instance, that he did have problematic background.
That he isn't demonizing him.
And also, he's talking about some of his fans.
And he says, I try to understand why people are attracted to this kind of content.
And again, he isn't talking down to them.
He talked to some fans of Justin Waller, for instance, and they did say that.
No, no, he didn't speak about it.
He didn't get mogged by clavicular.
He didn't get frame mogged.
Was his cortisol spiking at any point in the AI?
Yeah, and he got instant or a loss.
Oh my God.
Louis Theroo's never been more over.
Like, right, okay.
Total unk moment.
I hate this new dialogue, honestly.
Louis Theroux unk maxing.
Okay, so he was trying to aura form with some of the extreme outliers of the manosphere.
He was clear about it.
And towards the end, he did say that the male privileges in society have been lost to a significant extent and that people are, let's say, very much alienated and feel dizzy.
What does it mean by male privilege, though, in society?
He didn't say more about it.
He didn't say more about it.
That alone, that framing is completely inaccurate.
You've got to understand it's vague.
But men never had privilege in society.
They are always the ones to be tossed to one side in war.
They're always the ones to have to be thrown down the mines to get all the natural resources.
They're the ones that sit down in sewerage to fix everything.
Yeah, I mean, there are pros and cons, but there was a status in being a man that kind of rhetoric is simply Louis Thoreau gestamaxing for his paymasters.
Okay.
Speaking of Jester Maxing, I think everyone in this documentary is accusing everyone else of Justamaxing.
But who's the true Jestagoona?
I hate itself.
I want to be very upfront with what I think people can get from it.
So there are some people who say it's not a good documentary.
It's libtod.
It's just woke progressivism and men will find nothing in it.
And it doesn't talk about the reasons that cause grievances to men, especially legitimate grievances.
I want to say one thing.
If you look at it as a trolling documentary of some outliers within the manosphere who are taking advantage of the pain of men.
Well, that's a given.
They absolutely are doing that.
Yes.
Then that is a good documentary you can get from it.
Right.
I mean, yeah, I mean, I have my criticisms of that whole sort of shtick, and that is the primary thing of it.
I think a lot of the manosphere just says, don't even go near a woman.
It's like, oh, that's definitely going to help people, mate.
That's really going to help people.
Yeah, well done.
What are you doing?
That's terrible advice.
So that's the issue is that there is a problem with grifting.
And especially when he goes to HS Tiki Toky, who was incredibly upfront about the whole thing.
Right.
Why are we having to talk about a guy seriously calling himself HS Tiki Technology?
But wait, wait, that's not my that's I have a good answer to you, Harry.
Right, so HS ticket okie, say what you want about him, but he was very upfront about how he sees things.
What does the HS stand for?
His name, I mean, I think Harrison Smith.
Oh, right, okay, all right.
The thing is, when people start noticing the pattern of grift, right, right, right.
When it comes, when it comes from someone who is completely blatant and open about it, they can start detecting it and noticing that pattern in other influencers who are trying to scam them, sell them all sorts of bad advice, bad investments.
Bloody Andrew Tate and his fitness course that he tried to sell.
It's the most ridiculous.
Mate, his fitness course is the most pathetic, driveling.
Come on, come on.
Give me an example.
I'm just going to do like 100 precepts.
Yeah, mate, I'm going to do like 100 lateral raises.
I don't know.
No, no.
I watched a video on it, and I think this is just, I did a post a few years ago about it.
I was like, never take your advice from someone that thinks this is not remotely scientific.
This is absolutely pathetic.
And he's like, oh, those science bros, they don't know what they're talking about.
So they know more than you, mate.
Yeah.
And I mean, there is within the, let's say, the sphere and the industry, generally speaking, the podcasting industry, there is a kind of concern that people have in talking about people they consider grifters, because especially they may think that they have a huge audience.
They may want to flirt with that audience.
Let us just not say that much about it.
Let us just let grifters expose themselves.
It's going to implode either way.
I think it's a good thing to notice when grifters are exposed.
And it's a good thing to notice when patterns that suggest that people might be grifters.
Yeah, I think it's morally just to point that out as well, quite frankly.
If you care about men, why should you let men half their money up the wall?
That's exactly which will further lead them to like down a part a cul-de-sac or lead them down a cul-de-sac of absolute nothing where their lives are not fulfilled.
Like you can't, if you care about certain people in society, you don't allow that to happen.
You call it out at the very least.
Exactly.
It's a morally just thing to do.
That's my point.
That you can't say on the one hand, Louis Theroux doesn't care about men and their grievances.
Right, right.
And be silent in front of the manipulation and monetization of men's grievances, especially when it leads them to dead ends.
Yep, that's fine.
So, no.
So that's the point.
So I think it's a good thing if we check Harry's favorite HS ticket in this minute from this.
The interview you did with Bondi Blue, I thought was a bit more.
You saw that?
Yeah, it was interesting.
I should think she's disgusting, bro.
I should think she's absolutely repulsive.
You've got 500,000 people on your Telegram, right?
Yeah.
And you're advertising OnlyFans girls on there.
Yeah.
Do you think there's a contradiction there?
No.
Because I openly say I don't give a fuck and I'm doing it for money.
I don't care about the morality of it.
I know it's not good.
I say to people, don't watch porn.
It's sad.
It's loser shit.
You can't say I promote it, but I discourage people from doing it.
But you can.
Because you say it, but it doesn't mean anything.
How does it not mean anything?
It's a bit like, say, come down to the gym, I'm going to help you work out.
And then you come in the front door and there's just a row of donuts.
Here's a box of donuts that I'm holding up to your face.
If you eat that, you're a loser, but I'm going to go and work out now.
It's like, well, I think there's a better metaphor.
It's just like saying, no, don't be addicted to gambling and just profit from a casino.
That's a better thing.
But you see, I think that's a good thing to point out.
Just when you see people.
Exposing the Grifters00:13:11
Yeah, Theroux further.
Yeah.
When you see people, you know, just say one thing and make money out of the opposite, it's a sign that it's a grift.
Yeah, if you care about something, you're not then going to profiteer from it.
Exactly.
Yeah, well, stupid.
You are right.
A guy like this who says he cares, but then does that doesn't actually care about it.
Was this released on Netflix, Ariana?
Yeah, that was a few days ago.
You have to be very careful with that clip going out on YouTube.
They will copyright the hell out of that.
Yeah, yeah.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Definitely.
If you didn't see it, guys, go on Twitter and have a look at what we're talking about.
Right, okay.
So, and he was saying that there was a patent, there were several things that HS Tiki Talkie was doing.
He was promoting companies.
He put 500 pounds in.
They turned into 150 something.
He lost.
Then Tiki Talkie started saying that he multiplied it by 26 times, which Theroux says it's basically a lie.
Well, yeah, I mean, he can say anything he wants, but like Louis Theroux can also come back and say, well, here's how much I actually made from it.
All of these people have like weird crypto investment scam apps and some kind of investment secret that they want to teach you.
Yeah, and that's the thing is that we can talk, we are always talking about the age demographics here.
Our audience is unlikely to fall into the trap of buying crypto BS from that, from people of the sort.
But there are young people who may be allured by this.
I don't give a rat's ass about anything.
You can escape the matrix by buying my coin and then just you get scammed and you're in an even worse position than you were before.
And he's talking also about other issues.
Just there's also a very open and upfront admission that all of this is for cloud because clout is being monetized.
What sort of thing is that?
And HS Tiki Talkie.
Harry's favorite nickname.
He's my favorite influencer.
He taught me everything I know.
No, he was saying basically that if he was a good person, he wouldn't get social media cloud and he does everything for cloud.
But there were some other problematic features that when he was doing this, that he was going out with his mates and they were hitting people, claiming that they were nonces, PDF files.
Now, there's a danger in people trying to play to act as being judge, judges, jurors, and executioners, especially when they're doing it for cloud, for media cloud.
Just that's an extra thing that you can see here.
Here's Justin Waller.
I don't think he was demonizing here.
And he did trying to, he did try to explain why he viewed things even though he did.
But that was a fun clip.
He was talking about one-sided monogamy.
I think it has to do with a harem.
So one-sided monogamy is when she's faithful to you and you just cheat on her.
Yeah.
But just let's look at this clip.
Are you married?
No.
I'm going to get a lot of smoke for this.
I always do.
Everybody gets mad at me when they ask me about my relationship.
Are you saying you're not in a monogamous relationship?
One-sided monogamy?
Yeah.
Women don't want to sleep with other men when they love a man.
One-sided monogamy means what?
It means like, see, here we go.
Here we go.
Set me up.
The mother of my children.
The woman that asked me.
That's a question.
She doesn't talk to me about them.
So.
Stings, huh?
Anyway, so.
Did he say?
No, no, no.
I want to see the reaction.
You seem upset by it.
You seem upset by it.
People get so upset with me about this.
That's interesting that you didn't know what's up.
I wish I saw it was a resonant movie.
I noticed that people get very angry with me about this.
Do I seem angry?
No, but you do seem to be digging.
I mean, he's very negative.
We've got to get into some real stuff, though, right?
We should.
Yeah.
Let me tell you, no, don't promote it.
I don't believe that every man should go out and have a bunch of women.
Or have his wife have threesomes with his girlfriends.
Now.
Is that something you do as well?
Yeah, of course.
I'm hiding nothing.
I refuse to.
He doesn't advocate it, but some of you guys.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Oh, God.
At least he's honest about it.
I just found it funny.
Yeah, everyone's honest about it.
That's the fun thing.
He's honest about it, but it's the fact that, like you say, I'm not advocating it, but when he's confronted about it.
Of course I do.
Of course.
No, when he's confronted, and it's not even confrontational.
He's just being asked a basic question about it.
He's like, oh, is that what you do?
Why do you do that?
And he goes, oh, stings her.
Like he thought, like, I'm top dog right now.
I'm so cool and alpha.
And he just gets like laughed in his face.
That's quite funny.
That was a bit weird because this guy, Justin Waller, comes off very insecure in this documentary because he comes in with the Lamborghini.
He exits the Lamborghini and he tells him that's not success.
People think that's just dude.
It's like he's giving it.
Own it.
He's like a Lamborghini.
He's like giving you a free life coaching session as soon as he gets out.
I like Lamborghini.
It is a sign of success.
I don't know.
I think Lamborghin's a pretty generic shit, to be honest.
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Seen her own an old Corolla.
Oh, wait, I do.
Let's go to Myron Gaines.
This was a very funny clip here because there is a kind of drama afterwards that didn't exist with Sneeko, for instance.
We will talk a bit about Sneeko later, but there wasn't any bad blood with Sneeko there.
We'll talk about it.
But you don't know Sneeko?
No, you may.
I'm impressed you've managed to avoid him.
Fair play.
You're a dinosaur.
Good.
That means no.
That's actually here about, right?
Okay, so he went.
I don't even know how much older than the Fresh and Fit podcast by Myron Gaines, also known as Amru Foodle.
And what was really funny here is just he started talking to the wife of Myron Gaines.
Yeah, and now he doesn't.
Yeah, but they were talking about, again, the one-sided monogamy.
But I couldn't find it on the clip.
And actually, I won't show it because it's the Netflix thing about that document.
It's going to be very funny.
Some people on the internet want to talk about third-world coded behavior.
It's kind of like Myron Gaines.
I dismiss most of the things that they say as that because it's just like if you're not a massive Zionist, they'll call you third world coded.
This is actual third-world coded behavior.
Right, but what was interesting is that the lady that came in that was presented as the wife or, but they weren't married, I think.
The girlfriend of Myron Gaines, she said to Louis Rue that he's different on camera and off-camera.
It's like all this is an act.
Right.
And he was showing lots of the people who were there.
Basically, they are trying to take advantage of each other for clout on the podcast.
They're just, you know, just trashing each other to become famous.
And they had, he started poking a bit, digging, if you'd like, about how she feels about the one-sided monogamy thing.
And she said, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
They were a bit defensive there.
Now they've separated.
I don't know if the documentary has something to do with it.
Myron Games says afterwards that he tried to get this part deleted.
Look at this.
He has a dog here.
A very girly dog.
Yeah, anyway, and he was saying basically that he was a victim of bad editing.
Watching the clips, I don't see that much of an issue.
But the most important thing is that it does come across as an act to a very large extent.
Well, yeah.
Well, that's funny.
Like, go back to that clip again.
Hold on.
Like, was it, why did you edit out the context?
Was it because my ex accepted my one-way polygamous relationship?
I mean, it's an ex, so probably didn't, did it?
Let's be honest.
And here he completely lost it.
You can see that he's wearing a tie and it's just can't see.
I just can't see him in this outfit.
It just doesn't fit.
He crushed a bit with him.
And then he went to talk to Sneeko.
He said that he was talking to Sneeko.
He was saying he's the platformed.
They started talking about cabals of devil worshippers running the world.
Sneeko was saying that he thinks that this is what happens.
He was telling him that I think that you go a bit off the deep end.
But I don't think there was much blood there and also bad blood there.
And also Sneaker there just goes and says that he didn't feel like it was any kind of, where was that?
Yeah, he didn't feel that there was any massive heat piece against him.
Well, the annoying thing is for a lot of these Manosphere guys is some of the stuff that they talk about, not all, but some of the stuff that they talk about is legitimate and are problems that you can see with politics right now, mainly because a lot of them just crib some of Nick Fuentes' better takes.
As critical as I am of Fuentes, a lot of the time he talks about true stuff.
The problem is it gets dragged into all of this drama that these people live off and at the same time can really give it the air of clownishness.
So it makes it very, very easy for people to dismiss some of the talking points when it is associated with clowns like Sneeko, with clowns like Myron Gaines, who are just unserious people.
Yeah, and one thing to end on about the documentary is that then he went to HS Tiki Talkie's house with his mother and they started talking about things and then he started challenging Theru, says that I'm free because you can't say there's genocide in Gaza.
Theru wasn't saying anything about it and there he was, Tiki Toky was saying basically, these are your paymasters and you are not free.
I'm free.
That's the final part of the documentary.
And also I want to end with the other bit is that again, I think if you look at it in terms of an expose of some ridiculous clowns who are grifting and taking advantage of grievances of men, some of which are legitimate, I think it's a good way to look at it.
And you can start, you can profit from it.
You can start noticing patterns a bit better and soft behavior in the influencers that more and more people are listening to.
But I think when it comes to the framing, there are massive problems from several sides.
Lots of politicians are trying to make it a much bigger deal than it is.
Lots of journalists want to write articles.
They're trying to scaremonger about these influencers.
It's a much smaller thing than they are suggesting.
They're trying to scare people off in order to justify writing articles.
And also there were just really vague allegations that were constantly being made within the documentary to tie several of these figures to Trump, especially, which is especially weird given the fact that people like Sneeko are very much against Trump in several respects lately.
Brilliant.
You know what annoys me about this?
When we've got members of parliament forming policy choices out of bloody documentaries.
Out of this documentary.
This goes to show how absolutely abysmal and woeful our political class is here in Great Britain.
Absolutely.
That's the broader problem with it is that, yes, the documentary states that it's looking at this very small subsection of the manosphere who are basically self-admitted grifters, whereas these MPs that look at it and want to formulate policy off the back of it will just turn it into more policy against men.
Internet Lore and Politics00:04:40
There are a few rumble rants.
Would you like to read the mushalleye?
Well, Sigil Stone said bad movies started on May 19th, 1999.
No, that's when the greatest cinematic saga of all time began, actually.
Wasn't Lord of the No, that was 2001.
Yes, that was 2001.
One of the two greatest cinematic sagas of all time.
Random Name.
What's your other one?
Well, the prequels, obviously.
The Random Name said Harry is Harry is retroactively justifying the bullying with his Zoomy speech.
I completely agree with the bullying for Zoom Speak.
Random Name sent a few in.
Nate, I was told if I followed Tate's courses, I'd become a loser just like him.
Have I been bamboozled?
My cortisol won't ever recover.
Tragic, mate.
Tragic.
And you can read the next one.
Yeah, but Nate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Justin Waller.
That's a random name says this.
Justin Waller guy is a total clown.
There's a clip of the documentary where his wife says they're married and he replies with, not legally.
The cringe was so intense, I had to wear a hazmat suit.
That was very cringe.
Yeah, yeah, because he made it all about himself.
They were talking there.
And he chimed in and he said, well, yeah, but if we separated, I'd still be very happy because I got so much out of this relationship.
That's roughly what he said.
That was the spirit of it.
That's kind of like the bike cook meme.
Like, oh, well, at least the thief is happier having my bike than I am sad.
Yeah.
And again, that's a random name says Myron is a closeted homo.
Lots of pics of Myron in college being shirtless in bed, hugging white men.
These men are polygamous for sure, just not with other women.
Lol.
It's kind of the vibe you got from when like Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate and all of them went to the club together.
It came across like five or six gay guys trying desperately to look straight.
It's just, it was so hilarious because they were supposed to be, they were trying to market themselves as the heartbangers of white nationalism and almost just one or two.
Yeah, just clavicular as the one white guy.
And he just like surrounded by these other people, he just looks like a kind of nerdy dweeb in those clips.
Yeah, I mean, the Myron being probably gay reminds me as well.
Like if you go back, you can find clips of like Tupac Shakur before he was famous, basically being a gay theater kid in his high school.
I like how you know this.
Well, you see it go around.
How do you know that?
No, I even know that.
It's kind of like internet lore.
It's like random images have popped up.
He looks like a typical prison bitch.
Yeah, the thing is, as well, there are actually quite a few books written about the fact that the 90s, late 80s and 90s hip-hop rap scene, all those guys were gay, and the rest of it was just marketing.
And then they just leaned into the marketing and the image of it so hard that they end up getting shot in gangbanging incidents.
Not that kind of gangbanging.
A different kind than they were used to.
They were a gang, gangbang maxing.
Yeah, like the only one that I could think of who was properly legitimate like that was probably Snoop Dogg because he actually was involved in a murder charge in the 90s and some drive-by shooting.
Either way, the music industry as well as the TV industry and the movie.
Faking gay, shocking shit.
Do you think DMX was trying to warn us in Weatherhood?
50 Cent was legit.
He got shot in the face, didn't he?
Well, yeah, no, I'm saying that a lot of these guys, some of these guys were legit, but a lot of them were just like theater kids who'd been picked up by P. Diddy, to be honest.
And picked up more ways than one.
I have a theory that I'm working on that the lyrics in Weatherhood Ad have to do with warnings about Diddy.
I like reading them that way.
I mean, maybe there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of messaging going on underneath that.
Either way, so time to talk about the final segment that we have here, which is I'm going to talk about movies and why they all look terrible these days, what the reasons are for it, and why nobody can agree on any one particular aspect of filmmaking that's changed to make films look so terrible right now.
It's kind of a confluence of a lot of different factors.
Also, perhaps we just don't have the talent anymore to make films look as good as they used to.
Why Modern Films Look Bad00:09:37
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You're going to have to take some basic self-defense lessons before you get here.
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We'll decide.
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Get to see a live podcast, live Ladzauer, and you get to see me absolutely bodying Carl Benjamin on the greatness of the Star Wars prequel trilogy.
So be there or be really gay.
And with that, so one thing happened over the weekend.
I don't know if you guys knew this, right?
The Oscars happened.
Did you know this?
No.
You heard about this?
Nah.
So there's a few cringe things that happened with the Oscars.
The first of all being, there was one thing I know is one.
Here's Ryan Coogler accepting what...
I don't know why Chris...
Chris Pine?
Um...
Is that Captain America?
Yeah, I don't know why he's doing the happy merchant meme.
I think that's very inappropriate.
Maybe he's like, I know you're in Hollywood, bro, but calm down.
Calm it down with the anti-Semitic remarks, bro.
But Ryan Kugler had braided into his hair a little guitar because he accepted an award over his film Sinners, which was about like black people in the 20s making blues music or something, and then all the white people are vampires or something.
Don't know.
Didn't watch it.
It seemed like propaganda.
So I wasn't really interested.
The one interesting thing about it, I think it won the best soundtrack.
And ironically enough, the soundtrack about a blues film for black people was written by a Swedish bloke called Ludwig, which is not a particularly black American name as far as I remember, but I might be wrong there.
But I just took a little scroll through all of this.
And I just looked at this and I was like, best picture.
Here are the nominations.
Begonia, didn't watch it.
Never heard of it.
F1, didn't watch it, never heard of it.
Frankenstein, I think that was a Netflix Del Torre movie.
That's brilliant.
I didn't watch it.
Yeah, no, it's great.
That's genuinely worth time.
Fair play, didn't watch it.
Hamlet didn't watch it.
Marty Supreme, didn't watch it.
One battle after another.
Paul Thomas Anderson, normally a great filmmaker, didn't watch it, wasn't interested.
I've heard very conflicted reports on whether it was propaganda or not.
Some people are saying it's a political satire.
Others are saying it's literally anti-for the movie.
Wouldn't know, didn't watch it.
Secret Agent didn't watch it.
Sentimental Value didn't watch it.
Sinners didn't watch it.
Train Dreams didn't watch it.
And it goes on like that for basically every movie.
Yeah, I mean.
It was nominated.
This was just like not a good year for my interest in movies.
It was the same as last year, to be fair.
I mean, it's the Oscars year on, year out, is that it's they are irrelevant, even though we're talking about them, which I know is a little bit, you know, contradictory, but they are irrelevant because the vast majority of movies that anyone has seen and anyone actually cares about, they don't care as of the Academy.
Because the Oscars, and this is why when people say that there's a quota system, there is a quota system, they're so stringent on who can be nominated now.
They have a racial quota system.
It's not just that, like, it's even we need a disabled person working behind the scenes.
We need disabled people working in front of the camera.
And it's this literal exercise in checking boxes.
So it waters down any level of creativity in what can be nominated.
So it ends up being all everyone knows every single year what's probably going to get nominated.
And it's always the same kind of garbage.
Yeah, I mean, that's all true, but just like here you go, music, original score.
Sinners won, written by Ludwig Goranson.
Yeah, he's ironic.
Yeah.
I find that very funny.
But, you know.
Why has he won Oscars before?
Well, it's just because Sinners was like the black movie, and the guy who won the Oscar for original score for the black movie about black blues music was like some ultra-white Swedish guy.
But yeah, you know, and I was considering why I don't watch movies anymore.
And I see clips come out from one battle after another, which won best picture.
I think Paul Thomas Anderson won best director for it as well.
And obviously, this is a tiny clip.
This is not necessarily representative of the whole film.
But I just watched this and I think I don't want to watch it.
You like black girls.
I love them.
I've loved them.
Sorry, I want to leave the studio.
Just can it can we do this?
Cinematic perfection, right there, folks.
You know, I see.
Is your whole segment going to be tapes like this?
There's only one or two more.
There's only one or two more, right?
But in this, I want you to notice something, which is this new cinematic look that I'm going to be discussing is already apparent, right?
Like this incredibly harsh blur on everything in the background, where there's basically no set involved in movies anymore.
Everything is just like a mid or a close-up or a head and shoulders shot of some actor's face where they look really clean, they look very sterile, the lighting is quite flat, and the rest of it is just a big blur in the background.
There's no real big sets.
I mean, I'm going to disagree ever so slightly just because a bit of bokeh, what you're talking about, is bokeh.
A bit of bokeh, the background being blurred out can look incredibly aesthetic.
It can look incredibly aesthetic.
But like every other tool under a filmmaker's arsenal, it should be used for specific moments and specific times and places.
It should not be overused.
A lot of pilgrims, TV, and film these days basically may as well not even have backgrounds.
Yeah, yeah.
Because everything is blurred.
And this is something I'll get onto in a few minutes.
You also had the cringe of the directors or creators of K-pop Demon Hunters seemingly forgetting that Parasite won an Oscar for Best Picture, which was a South Korean film back in 2019.
And for those of you who look like me, I'm so sorry that it took us so long to see us in a movie like this.
But it is here.
Nobody has ever seen Asian people in an animated film ever before.
They're literally talking about an animated film and people looking like them.
You are so incredibly dumb.
Also, just look like, look, look how small people are.
In a parallel world.
Mad.
But this is why no one watches the Oscars and their ratings consistently go down year on year because it's just filled with this.
Well, the interesting thing is that the ratings reached an absolute nadir in 2020 when it was like 10 million people watched.
I think this year, over the past few years, the viewership has steadily been going up again.
Obviously, it's nowhere near the peak of what it used to be.
But more people are interested in it again.
But that might be due to maybe demographic audiences in America are becoming more diverse and therefore they're tuning in for these moments where somebody who isn't white can get up and go, we did this for all of you people who aren't white and look like.
But they're not rewarding performance.
They're rewarding representation.
But even this within those diverse demographic audiences has caused some controversy because some black Twitter accounts with 7.7 million views on this are saying that K-pop Demon Hunters borrowing from black culture and then winning over black art is starting to unfortunately colour my view of the film a little bit.
Let's be serious.
This isn't the best original song.
I'm not going to play it.
It's probably copyright and also it's, to be fair, it's not a great song.
Either way, and you know, people are joking like the diversity is fighting.
The diversity is in fighting.
K-pop Demon Hunters wins an award.
Black's, let's make it about me.
It's that meme, isn't it?
You get in there and you make it about you.
Every single time.
Literally every single time downtown.
And people pointing out that Sinners is basically just like a race bait version of From Dusk Till Dawn and managed to win the best original screenplay as well.
That's a good movie.
I mean, it's...
You know where...
Have you watched it?
Oh, of course I have.
You know, the way there's the film, the meme of the writer's barely disguised fetish?
Tarantino wasn't even trying to disguise it in that film.
I'm going to cast myself as the guy who Salma Hayek shoves her foot in my mouth and pours whiskey down it.
I mean, I mean, he got paid for it.
So who's the sucker here?
I mean, you've got to respect it to a certain degree.
I mean, it takes some stones to just consistently do stuff like that.
I mean, yeah, take some stones.
But either way, my point is, like, I'm not interested in a lot of these films that come out these days.
And I know very few people who tend to be interested in a lot of these big blockbuster films that come out these days.
And the question is, why?
Why is that?
And everybody seems to have a different answer.
Like, Critical Drinker, for instance, from a more center-right, anti-woke perspective, is coming out and just saying that films are completely forgettable these days, pointing out some, like, even a huge tentpole film from seven years ago, like Avengers Endgame, is not really memorable.
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It made loads of money.
The avatar films that keep coming out make loads of money, but there's nothing memorable about them when they come out anymore.
They're just a rote action movie.
There's no memorable lines, no memorable characters.
Like a film like Taxi Driver, which was, you know, probably comparatively a tiny, tiny budget, yet so much of that film is memorable.
And yet, these films which come out, which make huge amounts of money, spend huge amounts of money to be successful, and you don't care.
They're done and they come out, they're in the cinemas for a couple of weeks, and they're gone forever.
And you never think about them again.
They don't have that same lasting power.
But then there's also something that comes with that.
Why are they not having the same impact?
Is it just because they're worse written?
I would imagine that's a big part of it.
But I would imagine that another big part of it is the visuals of the films.
This was a video that a few months ago was going around for a long time asking the question why movies just don't feel real anymore.
And immediately you can see in this still image the contrast between them.
On the left, you have a guy with these harsher shadows.
There seems to be a greater depth of color in his skin.
He's sweating.
And it feels more real and less clinical than this image on the right.
Now, this is the thing that you may notice.
People in movies don't sweat anywhere near as much as they used to.
Seriously, go back to any film from the 1990s.
Go back to The Predator, for instance.
Everybody is sweating profusely in that movie, which makes you feel like you are watching a bunch of guys in the deep jungle.
You don't see that.
You don't see much of that anymore.
Yeah, no, I'd agree with you there.
I mean, it's also a lot of the stuff is just filmed on gigantic soundstages.
So when it says don't feel real, they're literally not real.
Everything is just CGI in the background.
That's true.
There is that as well.
There's people interacting with intangible nonsense on a screen.
It's literally not real.
But yeah, I mean, the aesthetic side of it, yeah, for sure.
I mean, you've got the film grain that's been completely removed with digital, so that matters.
You've also got the uniqueness of what lens choice cinematographers used to use.
So lenses are a big thing.
You know, when you have like an industry standard lens, most people just use it.
When you have a certain code as well in terms of what to shoot in, right?
So you've got certain color profiles used by certain brands, like red, for instance, cinema cameras.
It's like red log or what I can't remember what it's called, but it's just a certain file with a certain color profile.
So everything will have a certain element that looks the same.
Whereas film will change, you know, the colour of the film will change depending on how it's shot and the actual skill set of the cinematographer.
And also, people talk about how when you're developing the film, it's producing light and color through a chemical reaction rather than just a digital collection.
But I wouldn't necessarily say that it is just film versus digital cameras.
No, but there is a lot of it.
I mean, you can, yeah, no, agreed.
So you can edit stuff back in in post, so you can edit noise.
Like what you're seeing on the guy on the left there is noise.
And you see it as well.
You see it in like old films when you look at blacks.
I don't mean black people.
I mean blacks, the colours black.
You'll see this sort of artifacting and noise.
And you can add that back now with digital, but you've got to actively work for it.
Whereas previously, it's just a thing which happened with film.
Yeah, but you'll also notice there's a lot more contrast.
And a lot of that will come down not just to the cameras and lenses chosen, but also the lighting and the way that they choose to light.
A lot of contrast comes from shadows.
And a lot of people talk about how the way that films are lit these days remove a lot of this contrast.
They're not as willing to go for these big, washed-out whites and darker blacks.
Everything is a much more uniform, very flat colour palette and flat lighting that you see here.
Which you can see in this comparison of Devil Wears Prada that also was going around from 2006 versus 2026.
And whether people would be able to name the exact reasons why or not, I think a lot of people would say that the actual look of these images on the left is a lot more appealing than the look of the images on the right.
And a lot of this is colour grading as well, even in just this guy, what's his name?
Stanley Tucci.
Yes, in Stanley Tucci's face, you can see this kind of modern highlighting of the orange versus the teal, which is kind of an industry shorthand that they go for nowadays where it's like, people like this color palette, therefore we'll do it.
If we want to do a deeper red or really blown-out harsh whites, we won't experiment as much with that anymore.
It's also, due to industry standard practices, a lot easier and a lot quicker with the modern filmmaking to be able to set something up like this, which looks good enough.
It's funny.
It can be adjusted in post.
Yeah, it's funny to be honest, because with the advent of modern cinema cameras, you have the ability to get far richer colors.
And yet they don't.
They don't.
Which is massively comical and annoying, but yeah.
There's this comparison here using that was replying to it using the example of Mad Men, which is from Series 4, supposedly the last series that they shot using 35 millimeter film.
So you can see the noise, the artifact versus this from Series 5 when they first started using digital camera.
And there is definitely a massive difference.
I don't know how representative of each of these seasons these images are.
Frankly, I've never watched Mad Men, although I intend to at some point.
I've heard it's very good.
One of the other examples I think using Mad Men as well was this.
And this is a huge difference in lighting, not just digital versus film.
This is a scene from the first series set at night.
And this is a scene from the final series set at night.
Do you see what I'm seeing or not seeing?
Which is that they lit the night scenes.
And this is a problem with digital cameras.
What you're mentioning there has a greater range of colors and light that it can capture.
And so instead of lighting night scenes, they just go, well, the camera will just catch it all anyway.
And so you end up with these scenes where it's like you can make out what's happening.
You can see what's happening, but there's no style to it.
There's no deep shadows.
There's no harsh lighting.
People pointed out this meme in the replies here from The Lord of the Rings, where I don't know how true this is, but it sounds true enough.
Where they go, like, well, where's all the light from the night scenes coming from?
It's set at night, isn't it?
Shouldn't it be dark?
And the guy who was setting up the light said, well, it's the same place the music's coming from.
Because you know what?
Like, night in cinema should have a look to it that isn't just pitch blackness.
This was the big problem.
Compare the first series of Game of Thrones to the final series of Game of Thrones.
The first series, all of the night scenes are lit.
And they look a lot better because of it.
Versus the final series where very notoriously you had the long night.
Do you remember that episode?
Where everybody complained, I cannot see a damn thing.
And their excuse from the filmmakers was, well, we lit it to be seen on these incredibly high-tech, rare-to-find in people's households, televisions that can show a greater range of dynamic light.
That's fantastic.
Sounds like you've been lazy.
It sounds like you just couldn't be bothered to light it properly.
Because this takes a hell of a lot more effort than it does pointing a camera that can already capture a load of light and show the image well enough.
And it takes a lot more effort to do this than just point the camera at a dark scene and go, right, we've done it.
And here you can see the big complaint that a lot of people was having, the thing that really sparked a lot of people talking about this, was this new wicked film, which I didn't, which I didn't watch, but a lot of people were complaining just looks fat, sorry, not fat, flat and ugly and digital and lifeless compared to any film from the past, really, when films used to look like films.
So again, the question is, why?
Is it just the digital?
Well, you mentioned the red cameras.
People pointed out that 15 years ago, Fincher filmed Leonardo DiCaprio for a red camera test because Fincher apparently loves using these red cameras.
And that looks great.
Yeah.
And it looks far more cinematic.
Yeah, that won't be straight out of the box, I would imagine.
There'd be some good editing in there, good colour grading, right?
Like, that matters.
But yeah.
Still, though, for a camera test, it just goes to show, along with these lens instead of light there.
Along with these other examples, that a lot of the earlier digital cinematography, when mixed with normal, what were normal filmmaking techniques back in the day, actually looks really good.
Yeah, yeah.
This stuff looks really good.
And you can also use the example of, say, Breaking Bad versus Better Call Saul.
Breaking Bad entirely filmed on 35mm.
Better Call Saul entirely shot except for one scene on digital.
Better Call Saul, a lot of people would argue actually looks better than Breaking Bad.
It looks more cinematic.
But a lot of films don't look like that these days.
And you can see the examples here.
Obviously, this is a little collage, but if you go forward, you can see some examples of, say, Barbie, where there's this new cinematic look where everything looks very clean and fancy and pristine, but it doesn't look cinematic anymore.
It doesn't look good anymore.
And the unfortunate thing for film is, as a way of socially engineering people, it's been very, very successful up until the past 10 or so years.
And you can put that down to a lot of different reasons.
Obviously, the writing is horrible.
The wokeness became massively overbearing, too in your face.
But when you're talking about a medium, a visual audio medium like film as well, you've got to understand that pure immersion is one of the things that has made it so effective at making people passively accept the messages that are coming to them because it feels real.
It feels like you're watching real people.
This no longer looks real.
This looks fake.
This doesn't have the same kind of effect that it used to anymore when you've got films that just look ugly compared to how they used to look.
I mean, again, this is stills taken from the film Super Bad, which was also shot on digital cameras, but looks so much more sharp and filmic than you get these days.
You can see the darker shadows and the greater contrast and the full use of the set where you're showing off the set so it places these characters in a real place as opposed to something like, I don't know, the rings of power, which costs so much money and yet looks terrible.
And then you see one of the reasons for this maybe is just that they are so reliant on digital.
They're so reliant on effects shots these days that, well, by the time you get from the filming process to the editing process, you might have decided that the background's completely different.
You might have decided that it was set here, it's set here now.
This was going to happen.
Well, actually, we've decided this is going to happen.
They keep tinkering with it over and over and over again.
I mean, there are some brilliant filmmakers still out there.
I mean, Regardless of what you thought about anyone watching, thought about the film itself, The Creator, that was a film which was locked in, made for an incredibly cheap budget for what it is.
It's like $80 million, which is for what it is, like entire loads of CGI stuff.
But it's a film that has a tangible effect to it.
And the VFX look brilliant because it was all locked in.
Whereas what you're saying is completely true is a lot of things are reworked and worked and reworked right up until the wire.
So again, the intangible nonsense really sticks out because it's trying to go through a conveyor belt one, two, three, maybe even five times.
Yeah, and then just when you do eventually get to a film, I mean, I mentioned Endgame.
I think in this video, there's some examples given of like, say, Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Where like when you do get, when you do get a big background scene, like there's, they use the example of Avatar, which looks pretty good, versus just this.
Yeah.
Ant-Man and the Wasp, I think this is.
Well, that's just mush.
Do you know what that reminds me of?
Do you remember the music video for In the End by Lincoln Park?
It's very much like that.
That's what this reminds me of.
And it just looks shit, frankly.
And there's no way of drawing you in.
Again, again, I mean, a great comparison is to go back with CGI, is to go back and look at Pirates of the Caribbean with Davy Jones and just look how good that is.
It is exceptionally good.
That CGI for Davy Jones, all the tentacles moving around, just mind-blowing.
It was very well planned.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that's one of the reasons all the scenes that he's in is raining and wet because it takes away some of that separation from the digital sheen that he would have had otherwise.
Yeah, whereas Ant-Man and the Wasp, I mean, that, or whatever that movie was, that one, just know from leaks and test screening, that was tested like a, it was right up to like a week before its actual release.
Because films are distributed digitally now as well, a literal USB drive, they can make the changes right up until the last minute and then just distribute it straight out to people.
So there's not the quality, you know, the quality process just doesn't have to be as tight as it used to be, which is another factor.
Yeah, and then when you talk about the digital distribution, you get studios like Netflix, distributors like Netflix, talking about just not just the actual film making, but the writing and structure of the films as well, completely changing for modern audiences, as was explained on the Joe Rogan show recently by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.
Experience of watching at home, I think, you know, you're watching in a room, the lights are on, other shit's going on, the kids are running around, the dogs are running around, whatever it is.
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You know what I mean?
It's just a very different level of attention that you're willing to, or that you're able to give to it.
And that has a big effect.
And it also ends up having an effect or is starting to have an effect on how you make movies.
Like, for instance, Netflix, you know, a standard way to make an action movie that we learned was, you know, you usually have like three set pieces, one in the first act, one in the second, one in the third.
And, you know, you kind of, they kind of ramp up and the big one with all the explosions and you spend most of your money on that one in the third act.
That's your kind of finale.
And now they're, you know, they're like, can we get a big one in the first five minutes to get somebody?
You know, we want people to stay tuned in.
And can, and, you know, it wouldn't be terrible if you reiterated the plot three or four times in the dialogue because people are on their phones while they're watching.
You know what I mean?
And so then it's going to really start to infringe on how we're telling them.
But then you look at us.
Yeah.
So while there's not necessarily one answer for why people don't enjoy films the same way that they used to and why they don't look very good anymore, this does seem to just be where the film industry is now.
This is just the reality of it.
And that's why I and many other people like me just aren't interested in many films that are being made these days, especially not a load of Oscar sludge.
Do we have any video comments?
One.
Lovely.
Have we got audio for this?
We're talking about Star Wars again.
I found myself thinking about the old series with the Yuza Vong who come in from outside the galaxy and are a barbarian race that basically worships pain and torment.
There's even this collaborationist fifth column called the Peace Brigade who are always going that it's our fault the Vong want to kill us and we just have to, you know, give more concessions and then they'll coexist with us.
This is despite the fact the New Republic keeps making ceasefires and, you know, concessions to them anyway, and then they're immediately broken because the Vong see no reason to honor such agreements.
No parallels in real life.
Yeah, it doesn't sound like anything I've recognized at all.
I'll read through some of the Rumble rants as well.
CMC Revy says, what I've read online is that a lot of filmmakers are making their films Netflix compatible, colour and background.
So that's why movies look so similar.
Would not be surprised if that's the truth at all, especially given what I showed at the end with Matt Damon.
Sigilstone, they use orange and teal so much because digital cameras wash out all the colour.
Orange and teal are as opposite as you can get on the colour wheel, so it makes re-added colors pop.
That is true, they can wash out colour, but that's a choice, because like...
They also have the ability to capture all of the colours, probably.
Yeah.
Yeah, they have the choice, as we've seen with some of the older digital stuff.
They have the ability to look gorgeous.
I mean, David Finch's early digital work was fantastic.
Fictagious, I've written a horror script called Kane Wood that I would class as original, set in the wood, just looking for investors to get it produced to support indie movies.
Well, get in touch with Fictagious if you're interested in that.
Marked Ashamed, Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to you too.
That's a random name.
Do you love black girls?
Me?
Lol.
Lamau.
Lotus Eaters are far more diverse than Hollywood.
They have their disabled working in front of the cameras.
Why would you say that about poor Nate?
And Octagdor, a lot of rap drama from the 90s was the former gangbangers picking on the former drama kids.
Oh, and also imagine being Will Smith and getting unironically mogged by Effing Twink Tupac.
Being married to Jada should be a human rights violation.
Let's go through a few of the website comments quickly as well.
Do you want to go through some of yours, Nate?
I'll scroll down for you.
Yeah, what's this?
Michael Jo Bebus, Contributing African.
What's that?
Lol.
Dirty Belter says, would you guys be interested in inviting Miss Parker on to discuss the growing ethnic debate?
I think that may be productive and it would be good to illustrate the growing rift between centre-right and right.
Brackets, logical tribe, and physiological tribe thought.
I'd be interested in having her on to discuss it.
Wow.
Fame.
For that, I guess.
I think it would only be fair.
Yeah, sure.
To say it's a logical tribe and then the physiological tribe, well, one is just reality and the other is feelings.
Not logical.
One's been determined by abstract rationality, whereas the other one has been determined more by biological reality.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, sure.
I don't disagree.
Fuzzy Totis says, Eastern European Viking.
A.
Yeah, I could see that.
Wandering around a blasted oblast with a dozen disheveled raiders on your way to do some pillaging.
Not that I can speak.
I'm so Irish peasant.
I look like horde potatoes and have two dozen children.
Take pride in that, my friend.
Legend.
Do you want to read through some of these?
John V says, good morning, lads.
Yeah, Tate Waller and Frash and Fit are probably the worst of the Manosphere.
And an anomaly in that is Pearl, a woman in the Manosphere, who claims to care about men but is really just exploiting them.
She's awful.
Yeah, she's horrendous.
Did you see those clips from her debate with Anna Kasparian where she just like kept pitching out?
No, no, I don't watch her.
She's sleeping out and just like not saying anything.
The only thing from her I've seen is when she was ranting against Sarah Stock when she was pulling the trad thing and then she was George Happ says from the same platform which gave you adolescents demonizing white English boys comes another propaganda piece cherry picking some clown influencers who have next to nothing to do with men's issues.
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Well, I told you how I think it's a good way of watching it.
That's a random name.
Honestly, I have a hard time seeing who these influencers appeal to.
Even as a teenager, I remember looking at people like Tato, Mr. Tiki Talkie, and cringing.
LOL.
I like First Keeper Orland asking Lotus Eater's cooking hour with Stellios when it's gonna confuse the algorithm.
I think it would be a boon.
I think it would be a boon.
Right, and John V says Justin Waller's problem is that he claims all men are cheating, but they don't admit it to their wives, and he's a better man because he's honest about it.
LOL.
It just seems so insecure.
It's like he knows he has flaws but doesn't want to admit it.
So he hides behind the fact that he's a man.
And this is just how men are.
He's basically throwing old men under the bus to justify his own bad behavior.
Don't know, lads, I'm not even a man, and this upsets me.
You guys must be fuming.
I've never really interacted with this stuff before, but yeah, all these people just come across as kind of insecure clowns.
They're embarrassing.
I'll read through some of mine.
The actors no longer sweat because reptiles don't sweat Harry.
That's true.
That's true.
Sophie Liv, movies are terrible because they stopped hiring based on merit and purely hire based on nepotism.
We have the talent for all the arts.
Just look at the internet, but Hollywood refuses to hire them and rather tries to kill competing talent rather than hire them.
Dirty Belter, there have been so many bad movies that I don't trust at all that one will be good until I've heard enough recommendations, by which time it's already out of the cinema.
It's in part a reputation problem.
I don't feel like the odds are in my favor.
When I go to the cinema, the only movie that looks good this year is The Backrooms.
There's a Backrooms movie made by Kane Pixels, who made the Backrooms YouTube videos and produced by A24.
I mean, that sounds interesting.
That sounds interesting, but yeah, I operate on a similar thing to you.
Like, if a film gets recommended, then I'll maybe watch it.
And Jan Havi, usually miss Oscar-nominated movies, mostly because I've never even heard of them, but I actually watched Marty Supreme, which was very good.
Sinners was good, but not amazing.
And Timothy Chalamay was definitely robbed of the Oscars.
But I feel like that award is just not a big deal anymore.
I just saw a clip from him falling off the stairs.
Wait, who?
Oh, what?
Oh, Timothy Chalamay.
Yeah.
That was hilarious.
Timothy Chalamet, I don't know much about him, so I'm not going to.
I'm not going to.
He got stair-mogged.
Corpus all spiked, and then he broke his neck.
And on that, that's all we've got time for, folks.