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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of The Look Seaters for Monday, the 4th of August, 2025.
	I'm joined by Alan Miller from the Together Initiative.
	Hello, Alan.
	How are you doing?
	Very good, thank you.
	Thanks for having me here.
	Right.
	And Rupert Lowe, MP for Great Yarmouth and social media troublemaker, Rupert.
	I've heard so many bad things about you.
	Don't forget the leader of Restore Britain.
	Oh, God.
	Good point.
	Very good.
	The founder and leader of Restore Britain, which, to be honest with you, we've been promoting it quite heavily.
	So everyone already.
	You've been a great friend to us, and it's going very well.
	So we're delighted.
	So thanks, Roy Hill.
	Wonderful.
	Well, I'm really glad to hear it because I think something needs to be done.
	We need a movement of as many people as possible who agree that we need radical change.
	And the bigger the movement, the more powerful we become.
	And we can then hopefully make common sense prevail because it certainly doesn't prevail at the moment.
	We'd all rudely agree.
	And we're going to cover the events of the weekend today, which have been just as disappointing as one might imagine.
	Obviously, people go out and rightfully have been protesting.
	And the government's response has been, right, okay, these are terrorists.
	So we'll cover that shortly.
	Before we do, the latest issue of Islander magazine is out.
	Go and buy it.
	It's amazing.
	I've written an article.
	There are a bunch of articles in there, actually.
	They're all really good.
	I read it over the weekend.
	It was incredible, actually.
	And I'm going to do a video on it.
	But anyway, let's begin.
	Over the weekend, there were...
	...
	Push it in a little bit now.
	There we go.
	Perfect.
	So, let's begin again.
	Over the weekend, there were a large number of protests across the country.
	As the Financial Times pointed out, these were in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds.
	There have been demonstrations in Canary Wharf, Islington, and apparently something still carrying on in Epping as well.
	This was obviously triggered by the initial protests in Epping, where an illegal boat migrant was alleged to have sexually assaulted three counts of sexual assaults on children.
	And people have just had enough of this.
	They've just absolutely had enough.
	And I think that they're right to be protesting.
	This whole charade has been such an education in who the country has run for.
	I think that really it's just got to the point where, no, we just have to draw a line here and say, right, no, these people have to go back, which I know you have quite a hard line on at this point.
	Well, we, as you, I think we've got a fairly consistent track record, Carl, of challenging.
	I mean, the root cause of all this, as we know, is uncontrolled, mass, legal, and illegal immigration.
	And, you know, we've gradually had to drag the statistics out of the civil service by asking parliamentary questions, which we've used, I think, quite effectively.
	I think we've asked well over a thousand.
	It has been.
	So it's actually shocking to see the faces of the frontbench ministers, particularly Vet Cooper and to some extent, Andrew Eagle, who basically almost deny what's going on.
	I actually think they don't know the stats.
	So I think what we've been doing is dragging the truth out of the civil service.
	As you know, we are run, I think, now by the permanent secretaries, not by the elected government.
	So the permanent secretaries and everybody I always say should mug up on who they are.
	People like Antonia Romeo and people like that are the ones who effectively run the country.
	There's a little cabal of them.
	They're unelected.
	They don't like their names being mentioned.
	And Parliament exists as a bit of a charade.
	But I think what we're doing gradually is lifting the veil on some of this data, confirming the link between crime and immigration, and obviously highlighting the deficiencies of the way in which the country is run.
	And I did an FOI on myself to HMRC, which I got an answer to, was I see on my desk this morning.
	And you know what?
	I think we're doing this for the people who've paid vast amounts of tax.
	And I was actually shocked by how much tax I paid just in the last 10 years.
	You look through it, and what value am I getting from this malign state who's supposed to be protecting my interests?
	And I think everybody who is paying tax, everybody who voted for Brexit, should be questioning why it is that their elected government doesn't seem to be working in their best interests.
	And I guess this weekend, these events over the weekend, which I haven't really seen a huge amount of other than on social media, you see it, but you don't see it in the mainstream media.
	It's entirely, I think, entirely justified.
	And in a country that is supposed to respect free speech, Keir Starmer tells us we've got free speech when he was interviewed with, doing an interview with Donald Trump.
	He basically told a porky.
	So, look, it's very concerning.
	And I think people have every right to peacefully protest about the fact they're not getting what they should be getting from their government.
	What do you make of the channel crossings and the kind of people who are coming across?
	Well, I think it's become fairly evident to almost everyone in Britain that they are men of a certain age.
	And we don't know very much about many of them.
	And so that's why I think it's beyond just it's that we have free speech.
	It's that I'm actually really inspired by people locally, by the women primarily, but all of the community, but women, mothers that are saying this is our families and in lots of areas.
	And they're saying this is not acceptable.
	We don't want to see it here.
	And they're articulating something that the mainstream press and a lot of the technocrats have said you're not allowed to say that.
	And not only have they said you're not allowed to say it, but they implement measures to enforce a kind of two-tier moment where you get some people have been imprisoned for saying things on social media.
	We see that in your point, Rupert, about the civil service, the Home Office chastising and preventing, apparently, Robert Jenrick from raising questions, asking questions about the sorts of people that were coming over.
	We've seen that we've got 250 or so ideologues that are running the civil service.
	And frankly, so that's a huge problem.
	Indeed, there are ideologues that are dominated by DEI and ESG and a hatred for the public, the great unwashed, the great British public.
	And alongside that, you've got elected technocrats, in my opinion, who also have got contempt largely for the public.
	And we see that not just with things like the Online Safety Act and how that's been weaponised, but the public can see it.
	A two-tier approach from policing and the judiciary being weaponised, how things are discussed, what is related and what is not, a contempt for the public, which...
	But actually, what's really been inspiring as well is doing the Hokey Cokey and saying, you know, we shall not be moved does not look like acts of terror.
	Of course, it's quite inspiring.
	It's got a jolly good bit of British comedy and Humor in it as well, but a bit of backbone.
	And I think that everyday people look at this and say, Yeah, I agree with you.
	And this is just outrageous the way this is being presented to us.
	We're being mugged off, basically, and it's not okay.
	And it's going to change, and it has to stop.
	You know, you've hit on a bunch of the points that we're going to cover in a second, actually.
	So, what's interesting in this article is the Financial Times spoke to some local people in Canary Wharf, which is not a sort of business area of the country.
	But even there, you've got Maxie, who's an IT worker who rents a high-rise there.
	And she says, well, I'm worried that this would create lots of crime.
	Bag theft, the gig economy fraud, all the way up to robbery, arson, sexual assault, rape, and even murder.
	These are valid complaints.
	These are valid concerns.
	You've got Rachel, who lives in council accommodation near there, who she says she's seen rubbish thrown from the windows, as well as people who she believed were from the hotel making lewd gestures at her and her children.
	We need to stop letting people into the country and get to the root cause of what's going on.
	And she had to add at the end, I don't have any strong political allegiances because, of course, she's going to be called far-right for having this concern, which is just okay.
	Well, if everyone's far right, then you've made far-right normal.
	Far-right is just literally normal people.
	Now, there was the far-right out in Manchester, actually.
	This was a rally organized by Britain first.
	I've been to a fair number of very large-scale protests in my time.
	I've spoken a bunch of them.
	And so I've always had a good view from the stage and see how far back these go.
	The BBC said there's about 1,500 people.
	I've put it about more than 5,000 people, actually.
	This is a large number of people.
	And so this, yeah, well, you're going to get actually what is the far right out on the streets.
	But conversely, if you actually look at the other protests, you can see it's just normal local people.
	And as you can see from the plethora of English flags, they are the English out on the streets protesting.
	One of the least heard groups in all of British politics for some reason.
	They're just normal people.
	This is the conga line that you were talking about.
	It's just as completely normal as anything you can imagine.
	It's just mums and grandmums.
	Yeah, I mean, I think so that becomes obvious.
	I think what's interesting is how it has not been represented in the press, or when it is, it's presented in a very particular way.
	Some have attempted to interview people, and there's a bit more of a recognition now because the tone and the temperature in the country is different.
	So you can say all sorts of things that up until five minutes ago were almost unsayable.
	And I thought it was quite interesting.
	I mean, Spike did quite an interesting video interview of a series of people because, you know, there were people that themselves have been migrants historically, but they came legally and they said, we love Britain, we love England, and we're here.
	And we're very concerned with these issues.
	And they were from all parts of the world, as it happens, because people sometimes want to talk about colour and things like that.
	And I think the thing about integration and values and Enlightenment values and everyone became very, not everyone, the elite in this country who dominated in the universities and the political arena became ashamed of being Britain, British and Britishness.
	And there are all these kind of discussions about values and who are we.
	But the Enlightenment ideals and Magna Carta and common law and all the things that like inspired freedom, privacy, the really foundational things that we've got so much to be proud about and we've given to the world.
	And as it happens, was the nation with the Royal Navy that got rid of slavery.
	And yet, yeah, all these things we're taught at schools and across the board that, oh, it's disgusting, British, the British Empire.
	I think what we're seeing now is a reckoning of a lot of these things.
	We're having a kind of public clash where this is thrown out.
	And some people will want to present it as the disgusting, the deplorables, the great unwashed, dangerous Gammon.
	It's like Brexit gone mad, right?
	The Gammon man's coming out, white Gamma man, white van man.
	But, you know, the backbone of this country, the British public, we know who our friends and neighbors and colleagues are, and we know how we generally conduct ourselves.
	And that's not to say that there aren't a few people like we've seen, and that's from people perhaps who might call themselves far right as people on the far left who behave.
	But the people that are locals and protesting here, they resonate with much of the nation.
	And I think that it's really very encouraging.
	And I think that the authorities need to reflect on this.
	And the government, whoever is going to coast, they're not going to be around for long, this government.
	But right now, what happens is going to make an enormous difference.
	And this knee-jerking, reactive banning thing, shutting people down to you reinforce that and make people feel like they can't have a voice.
	That's very dangerous.
	We must avoid that.
	Well, we'll come to that in a minute as well.
	What do you think of all this?
	Well, first of all, Carl, these people are not far right.
	I mean, I think this labeling.
	They're waving an English flag.
	I think they're patriots.
	Of course.
	They're patriots.
	They care about their country.
	So again, I object to being called far-right myself.
	I mean, I think Gen Z, I'm learning, is far more right-wing than I am.
	I mean, I'm a sort of tail-end baby boomer.
	And, you know, I think it's the young people who've had a bad deal.
	And I think we need to try and help them to live their lives and enjoy the country that we've all enjoyed for a long time.
	Well, they're entitled to it.
	I hate these labels.
	They are, in a way, created by what I would call the left wing to try and denigrate people who basically want their country back.
	And therefore, I don't agree with that, first of all.
	I think the real problem we've got is I think, as a nation, we've become dishonest.
	And when you become dishonest, and I think there's no greater example of that dishonesty than what we're uncovering with our rape gang crowdfunder, which, as you know, we raised over £600,000 for from over 20,000 people.
	And we're finding this was happening systemically across the country.
	And if police had linked their databases, they knew.
	I think they knew.
	And there are accusations that some of them were involved.
	So I think there's no greater deception than a country that's supposed to be protecting the most vulnerable people who chooses to cross the street and walk along the other side looking the other way when you've got for over 25 years young white working class girls being systematically raped by Pakistani Muslims.
	So I will largely Pakistani Muslims or a few other Afghanis and Bangladeshis.
	But on the whole, this is a cultural issue, which for whatever reason, I think we know the reasons that the state sees itself, I think, as the guardian of global welfare rather than the welfare of the British people.
	And hence you had this post-war plan for open Borders, immigration, and again, Tony Blair embodied a lot of that through the Human Rights Act.
	So did the Conservatives.
	He distorted relationships between individuals through the Equality Act and a number of other acts, which all need to be repealed, which the Tories should have done.
	So I think people are justified in turning out.
	And I think they've got to stand up for what they love for their country.
	And that's why I set up Restore Britain, because I think if the body of decent, fair-minded, extremely modest British people don't start standing out for themselves, they are going to lose their country.
	And they're going to lose it to a dishonest government run by dishonest people who are ultimately not out for the best interests of the British people.
	They're out for their own interests.
	And, you know, I think it's, in a way, everybody's duty to stand up now.
	And you and I were saying before we started that where are all the English patriots who basically should be standing up, who should be, and used to, you know, the Lord Salisburys, the Churchills, the Thatchers, the people who basically,
	and as you say, Alan, the people who ran the empire, which was a which was, I know, is now denigrated by the left, but it was actually an incredibly altruistic empire if you compare it with the Belgian colonization.
	Or the German colonization or the French colonisation.
	So look, and again, it's a different period of history.
	So I think collectively now is the time for people to stand up and be counted.
	Peacefully.
	They need to do it peacefully, but they need to do it in huge numbers.
	And then this deception which has been going on will ultimately die.
	Yes.
	But you can see the people waving the England flags are just very normal people.
	These are not wide-eyed, frothing lunatics.
	They're just the regular English people who just are sick of being taken advantage of.
	Fellow countrymen, that's what they are.
	Exactly.
	They're our fellow countrymen, and it is on our backs that this is all being done.
	We're the ones paying the egregious levels of tax that is just being funneled to the people who they're actually bussing in, in fact.
	Have I got the link to that?
	I don't have a link to that, reckoning.
	But anyway, so here are the counter-protesters.
	Let's have a look at some of these of their finest.
	We're going to be marched now.
	Who's streets?
	Our streets!
	Okay, that's enough of that.
	But you can see by just looking at them, okay, well, who made these signs?
	Who is, I mean, can you see a single British flag among them?
	You'll see the odd Palestine flag there.
	You won't see anything patriotic in the slightest.
	And they're here to uphold the order that busses in under the cover of night, men, unvetted men from overseas.
	And so we can see at least where the dividing line is and what the two factions are that are in conflict.
	And you can see, like, this is a protest from Newcastle.
	None of them have Geordie accents.
	So these, what I would assume, are paid protesters.
	And there have been multiple examples where the same person at different locations in the country has been spotted at these protests.
	So I think they're being bussed in.
	They're being handed out these same mass-produced signs.
	Someone is behind this.
	Someone is paying for this.
	I think, Carl, the irony here is that a lot of the people who are going to lose out are the middle class and the working class.
	Mass immigration is going to damage their interests more than anybody else's.
	And the irony is that a lot of those people probably voted for the Labour government who's trying to continue this deception, which has been going on for far too long now.
	So that to me is an irony.
	And it will be, it's not going to be the rich and the independent who suffer here.
	It's going to be your middle classes and your working classes who are very decent people and they deserve to be looked after, not have their interests damaged by mass illegal and legal immigration, as you say, Alan, of largely fighting-age young men who are now being settled across the country.
	I mean, who could possibly think of a more lunacy, lunatic policy than that?
	So we've got a number of things to deal with.
	And I think that it's quite ironic as well when people pour scorn on Liz Truss, because I think she had some very good ideas and there was a coup that was there and it entrenched many of the problems that we're sort of talking about now.
	But the repeal of a number of key things, key acts that we should get to grips with.
	And the thing about everyday ordinary people is that together, the Together Declaration.org, where we're at, we've spent over four years bringing people together who are everyday people.
	We do lobby Parliament.
	We lobby MPs and we ask, but we campaign, we protest, we do it peacefully.
	We're very passionate about keeping everyone accountable.
	We have many people with different views on a range of issues.
	Sometimes it's quite touchy even on our steering group and board because we don't all agree about things, but we have principles that we fight for.
	Now, I go to lots of protests.
	So I want to pick up this point because I think there's a, I know you weren't saying this, but this is the direction of travel because also the discussion about terrorists and we saw that before.
	And you start thinking, well, who's next?
	Is it the farmers when they come out in tractors?
	And I think that some people are, obviously they get subsized.
	The SWP and others have got their name on banners and everything.
	But I am not so concerned about people going to protest there.
	I'm very, I'm with Voltaire on this.
	I might despise the things that they're saying, but we need to thrash them out and we need to debate them.
	I'm very confident that we can win these arguments.
	In fact, I think the majority of the public, the silent people agree.
	I don't even think, I think what we've got is a very small vocal group of people that feel passionately, fine, let them go.
	And what's so great about Britain and about England is that you've got the ability to do that without, until very recently, getting a knock at your door, right?
	Now that's becoming more up in the air.
	And so I think that, but the big problem is, you see, it's not just so much people that are protesting there.
	I mean, it's that the people that are running our institutions have for a long time now been promoting these ideas and teaching them at school and running, you know, the NHS.
	Why would you need all these ideological ideas to have an efficient at-route like frontline stuff?
	You wouldn't.
	And across the board, we're seeing it in our institutions.
	And I think what we, so there is a reckoning that's happening.
	And even in this discussion where you see, like, for instance, Palestinian flakes, it's not really often about that.
	It's about a hatred of the West and everything Britain represents And those values and a disgust with it.
	And I think that we should get much more comfortable about just thrashing that out, debating it, saying we can cope with it all.
	And actually, I don't really care where they're getting their money from and all that.
	I mean, people say that about everyone.
	It's a bit of a lacking trust, right?
	They raise money from people that think what they're saying is right.
	We do the same thing.
	We ask people, we get people, they say, where'd you get your money from?
	We get it from all our members.
	We ask people if you believe in what we're saying.
	And some of this stuff, that's what they try and get us cancelled on that basis.
	Just a quick thing on that, though.
	That's the point I'm actually trying to raise with this: that there is an inequality between the two sides here because these groups are not grassroots funded.
	Whereas, I mean, we're grassroots funded.
	Are you grassroots funded?
	Yes, right?
	You know, we have many, many thousands and thousands of active supporters who are people who pay five pounds a month to sign up to our website to make sure that we can keep the lights on and stay in business.
	But these people put another wheel on your Rolls-Royce curve.
	Oh, yeah, as if.
	As if I don't even drive.
	But the point being that it's by open public support.
	But these people are the opposite of public support.
	You can tell that these are special interest support.
	In fact, these people will be receiving through some sort of chain government money in order to stand out there with their mass-produced signs and their Palestine flags and tell us that we've got no right to our own country.
	And so, like you say, I'm not against them doing it.
	I'm actually very happy that they're out there doing it.
	So we can say, look at them.
	Just look at them and look at what they're in favor of and look at what they're against.
	And what they're against are the regular English people who are just like, why is this happening to us?
	And these people want it to continue for foreign causes.
	And I'm all in favor of them showing it.
	Well, I think that's a very well-made point.
	I mean, the other example of this, of course, is when they say they've got grassroots campaigns around cycling groups and net zero.
	And they pretend that they're like grassroots campaigns like we are.
	But actually, then you find out that, you know, Christopher Hone and Mike Bloomberg are these net zero green billionaires who are funding them.
	And not only are they funding them to make them look like grassroots, but they're not.
	UK 100 in particular has enormous influence over 100 councils in Britain and the policies.
	Now, I know that's all up for grabs and changing now, and it has changed in the last election, it will in the next and the next.
	But what happens is it's sinister because it's not openly discussed.
	And it's an attempt to pull things away from parliament, not have parliamentary scrutiny, put it out locally.
	And we see that the combination of things like C40 cities, a globalised view.
	Now, you don't drive.
	These days, no one really wants to drive.
	It's so frustrating because, particularly in our city, it's so packed.
	You can't get around the time, the amount you're getting charged all the time consistently, the attack on drivers, 37 million of us, by these ideologues.
	So I think that.
	But Ann, you talk about Parliament.
	So we've all got to face the fact, and it took me a lot of time and a lot of money to become an MP.
	And I think what I now realise, and you know, I think most of us believe and are very trusting in our establishment and the organs of the establishment, which is probably now not the right thing to be.
	So when you're in Parliament, you realize that actually Parliament is a charade.
	Parliament has been hollowed out by the two-party system.
	The MPs, and many of them, my friends, have very little power.
	They are constricted by the Parliamentary Commissioner on Standards, whose rulebook is so complex it's been sort of thrown together like a homunculus.
	And I'm lobbying to try and get that simplified.
	So the misconception is that Parliament is there to debate, pass legislation, and effectively hold the government, the civil service, to account.
	Well, that's not happening, which is where I go back to the fact that the actual power lies with a very small number of permanent secretaries who are not being held to account by a frontbench who's got no business experience.
	And you see this every day.
	And, you know, I'm look, I'm a 67-year-old punter who's gone into parliament late, but I've created more noise in a year than almost any other MP in Parliament.
	Not because I'm that able.
	I just speak the truth and I ask questions.
	And I do think that Parliament should be more powerful than it is.
	So I think that needs to be changed.
	But then, you know, you look at the police.
	You look at all the organs of the state now.
	I think they've all been undermined, not by the policemen on the beat, not by the working parts of the various departments, but by the heads of the department.
	So you've had, to Carl's point, you've had DEI injected through the leadership of the NHS, the leadership of the police, basically through the civil service.
	And I think that's all been undermined through our teachers, through almost every organ of the British state.
	So it's not the people on the ground who are a problem.
	And a lot of the police, you know, and I've had issues with Zia Youssef reporting me for palpably, you know, making palpably false witness statements along with Lee Anderson, and I suffered the consequences of that.
	But have the police checked those witness statements?
	No, they haven't.
	They haven't put them under the spotlight.
	So I think we all now have to look at our judges.
	You mentioned the judiciary earlier.
	The judiciary is now off the rails.
	And, you know, the essence of any, I think, responsible state is that they should be trying to do the best for their people.
	And in a way, the state should be a referee.
	It shouldn't be a player.
	Let me pause on that because I think do the best for their people, I think, is an important turn of phrase.
	And we'll come back to that in a minute.
	So just to finish this section on the protesters, as you can see, they were out calling their opponents Nazis.
	And you had some very strange events.
	But you also had some apparent right-wing hijackers.
	Now, I have been to many, many, many protests in Britain.
	Like I said, I've spoken at many of them.
	And I've never seen anyone on our side of the discussion wearing a mask.
	It's the first, I've never seen it.
	I agree.
	And I don't like to see it either.
	I loathe to see masks.
	It's normal English custom to be able to see one another's face.
	And so apparently a group of violent masked men hijacked the congaline protest of the women in pink and started causing trouble, according to the Telegraph.
	The gang of masked men swarmed the crowd, set off smoke bombs and tried to charge the fence, chanting Kirstama as a wanker and send them home.
	It's like, okay, that's all in good, but that's very out of character for the kind of protests that we've had up until this point.
	And so I have to wonder, well, who are these men and where did they come from?
	Why did the police not arrest them?
	Were they not arrested?
	Why were they not arrested?
	Like, if they're trying to charge the fence, you've obviously got a peaceful and wholesome protest going on.
	If these men are attacking the fence, shouting slurs, is it really that the police are like, well, these are not people we're going to arrest?
	I mean, that didn't happen at Southport, did it?
	There are people in jail at the moment for insulting the cops during the Southport riots.
	Well, look at Lucy's police.
	Swearing at the dogs, yeah, yeah.
	Lucy Connolly.
	I mean, we'll come back to Lucy Connolly in a minute.
	So I find it very peculiar that suddenly this gang of masked men was given carte blanche and license to just go in and ruin this peaceful protest.
	Sorry, that's not normal, actually.
	And it makes me wonder about agent provocateurs.
	It makes me wonder if there are actually people in the government and in maybe the intelligence agencies or wherever who are actually, okay, well, we're going to try and cause some trouble here for people.
	And I don't have any evidence that that's the case.
	But there are a couple of things, this being one of them.
	But then this being another thing.
	So apparently, I can't, I don't know which protest this was at, unfortunately.
	But apparently this one chap was chosen by the police to come into the hotel and have a look around and tell people what it was about.
	We'll watch this.
	I've got an embryo, and I've got me all, and I'll tell you the truth what's in there.
	No lies anywhere, lads, no lies.
	Sounds like he's from Liverpool.
	I've just been in there.
	I've just been in there now.
	There's family and kids in there.
	And they're going to find keeper families of kids there.
	All sorts of things manage.
	I'm not 100% sure that men are coming in there.
	So I've searched them.
	It's not about it's not right.
	Save our families.
	So, okay, who's this guy?
	Why doesn't he give his name?
	Why don't we know anything about him?
	He goes into these hotels, escorted by the police, and he comes out saying, oh, it's just women and kids in there.
	I don't believe that.
	So I don't know what's happening there.
	These are strange things that have come up.
	Like I said, I can't, I'm not pointing any fingers, but this is weird, isn't it?
	Well, one of the things I was always a little bemused by was at the end of the anti-lockdown protests, there'd be about six or eight guys after you'd had hundreds of thousands of people, and there'd be a scuffle or a few bottles would be thrown.
	And all of a sudden, that was the news, and that's where the police would be.
	Now, we'd been kettled in the early days of the anti-lockdown protests.
	So without, you know, so many people who've got very first-hand experience across the board in the last few years have been challenging and protesting things of a differential treatment to different people.
	I'm nervous about jumping to conclusions, right?
	I mean, I think that it's tricky.
	But we've also seen so many things recently that I thought, you know, we're not in Britain.
	We're not going to.
	I mean, the lockdown files and the Twitter files.
	And when you saw those things brutally just represented, and we do it for your FOIs, or you did some information to find out if they, oh, yeah, you're spying on all of us, and this is what's going to debanking, all the different things that have been going on.
	You're like, gosh.
	So.
	Do I put it beyond Stalin's government to do something like this?
	Well, the answer is no.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	The only thing is that they're so incapable of organizing anything and no one keeps their mouth shut anymore.
	So it's not like the old days where people do, did they make an agreement?
	And so the thing is that, yeah, so I'm not sure.
	I don't know.
	I don't know either.
	I'm just to be clear.
	Well, I think the state Carl now has a, and it's what happened to me in a way.
	They have a sort of formula which tries to anyone who does stand up, first of all, by showing their face, which a lot of, as we know, people now don't, stands up like, you know, and becomes, you know, in a way, somebody like me who sits in parliament and talks about Pakistani rape gangs and moves the Overton window and actually has done the rape gang crowdfunder.
	And we now see the government is going to have a statute inquiry although we've seen no terms of reference, we've seen no time scale, we've seen nothing.
	But the point is, they can take you out of the game, and people need to be wary of this by these palpably false complaints being made by somebody with no basis to them.
	And then if you aren't rich enough, and ultimately this costs me money to be able to defend myself by hiring the right lawyers and everything, and you don't have the confidence to be able to fight it, a lot of people just turn their toes up and leave the battlefield.
	So I think a lot of the state's armoury, and it's not just Labour, I think this is largely the civil service, it's largely the administrative organs of the state, rather necessarily than I mean, Stalin's just a weak, ineffectual, duplicitous man, in my view, who doesn't really have any view himself other than trying to force a Fabian agenda on us, which I think is very dangerous.
	I think he's a true believer in that.
	I think he is.
	Most of the Labour Party are members of the Fabian Society.
	And again, I would urge everybody to learn as much as they can about the Fabian.
	They absolutely should.
	Because it is a bit like the, I likened it to the Online Safety Act, which again parades as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
	Everybody says, oh, it's for the protection of children.
	Rubbish.
	It parades as that.
	The reality is it's to lock us all down.
	That's what it is.
	And it's a bit like defining Islamophobia.
	All this stuff is just, I think, part of a dishonest state which now realizes that it's got to try and jump on its own people to cover up for its own deficiencies.
	And that's what we're seeing at the moment.
	So honestly, the recipe is anyone who's a trouble causer, take them out.
	And that's what they do using a deficient judiciary, a deficient leadership of the police.
	I don't blame the police men and women.
	I don't blame them.
	I do blame the leadership of the police.
	I do blame the leadership of the judiciary.
	I do blame the leaders of our education system, the leaders of the NHS.
	These are all people who are basically now dishonest and they're forcing a lie on the rest of us.
	And we have to now stand up.
	So, Samson, let's go on to the next one now.
	But while he's doing that, you're absolutely right, because the police forces have a massive turnover rate at the moment.
	They have a real problem retaining police officers.
	And I think it's the consequence of forcing the lie from the top.
	Because, I mean, the people in the bottom ranks, well, they've got to do as they're told.
	This is their job.
	This is what they're paid for.
	But you don't have to stay in the job.
	And I think a lot of people are just leaving the job because they are.
	And we're doing a lot of work with Harry Miller from We Are Fair College.
	Managed to turn things around as well.
	Another person who is standing up and has made some changes, quite significant ones.
	But the problem is Hendon Police Training College, where those police officers are trained and the ideas that are being pushed and promoted.
	And we need to get back to policing without feel favour.
	I mean, one of the arguments about together, and we love that more people are doing more things and everyone.
	And some of your work's been incredible, very quick, very fast, and the rape gang inquiry stuff.
	But we're determined in every area to make people accountable and to force, to push back to common sense, right?
	I mean, many were pretty few people.
	Yeah, I completely agree with you.
	And this is the second point that I want to bring up over.
	Can I just say, Carl on the police before we move on?
	I mean, I talk to a lot of police, both in Parliament and I spoke to one member of the Met because it's really the Met that's rotten, and we all know who the Met reports to.
	Who's in charge of the Met?
	Well, there's a little tyrant to me.
	Do I need to tell you?
	No.
	So, well, he is in charge of the Met.
	Yes.
	It, as I call him, is in charge of the Met.
	So, and I was talking to it's sir to you now.
	I was talking to somebody on the gate of somewhere I went last week, a member of the Metropolitan Police.
	Been in there all his life.
	He said, I'm retiring in December.
	I can't wait to get out because it's not what it used to be.
	And this is what you get from all the policemen who I think have been brought up understanding what real policing should be.
	But the problem is, will the next generation actually know what proper policing is?
	So, this is a big problem, Alan.
	Sorry, we're going to have to move on though, I'm afraid.
	Right, so the two points here that I want to bring together: they're looking after their people and covering things up because that's precisely what they're doing.
	Samson, can you play this in the background while we talk?
	So, this kicked off quite a firestorm online because people noticed that, oh, look, men in uniform, it looks like they're wearing the same grey jumper and black trousers, being bussed into the hotel in Canary Wharf on Saturday, this was, under cover of night.
	And you can see that they're being provided with some sort of papers or something like that by security at the Britannia Hotel.
	And this is what really kicked off all of these protests.
	But who is protecting who here?
	What's the purpose of this?
	Why are you doing this under the cover of night?
	It seems that it's a very good question, Carl.
	And I have the solution which Emily Maitless didn't like, which is set up a tented camp off the west coast of England or Scotland.
	Give them some food and wait for them to decide they want to go home, which is largely what the Australians do.
	They should never come and settle on our mainland.
	Because the next thing is we've got this indefinite right to remain, which is another part of our deficient system, which needs to be reformed.
	So, these people come and they bring their families and they bring their dependents and then they bring absolutely everybody over here.
	And our home office is just not fit for purpose.
	So, I think it's full of traitors.
	I think for me, even with the Human Rights Act, which must be repealed, as you know, within it is embedded the ECA.
	Oh, absolutely.
	So, once you embed that, you end up with a sovereign nation again who can control its own borders, which must be the definition of a sovereign nation that we all voted for in 2016.
	So, this is another very strange thing.
	We've got a phalanx.
	If you can play this in the background without the sound, Samson, a phalanx of police officers helping a Deliveroo driver or bike rider get through protesters.
	It's like, well, that guy's probably an illegal working illegally.
	Like, Deliveroo is a massive problem.
	Well, undermining legal tax-paying businesses who collect tax, pay tax, and facilitate the government funding itself.
	And so, you have so in there, we've got the roots of our own destruction.
	Yes, you have the taxpayers protesting who are being forced to pay for the police, who are protecting the people who are undermining and sucking their taxes up.
	So, you are paying for your own oppression here.
	And it's such a small thing, but it's actually a microcosm of everything that is wrong in this country.
	Like, this shouldn't be the case.
	And then you go on to just the actual migrants themselves, who seem to be, well, a contemptible lot, frankly.
	Here, go, look up.
	Look up.
	Fuck you little twat.
	It's all right.
	There's a fucking baby here.
	You've got me out of here, you know, you don't try to see that this is an illegal throwing out of his hotel window food or whatever over a baby huss chair.
	That's pretty awful.
	And then you've got another one where this guy swears.
	Where are you from, mate?
	Were you running for the war?
	Oh!
	Where are you from?
	Where are you from?
	And you can see the kind of people, but then you've got another one where a young woman got spat on by one of them, and the police are not interested.
	So, you have a problem with my words?
	Yes.
	Because a filthy migrant just spat on me.
	Yeah, that was a problem.
	And you've got the issue with me.
	Because he's filthy and he's Michael and he attacks me like the other one.
	We can't not challenge that language because what's your numbers?
	You'll find my language offensive.
	1483.
	3028.
	119.
	That's the product of the College of Policing.
	You may have been spat on by a filthy migrant, but you calling him a filthy migrant because he spat on you is the problem.
	And the thing is, this, I mean, I personally, this drives me mad and I hate it more than anything with an absolute passion.
	Because if I were to be taken in as a refugee in someone else's country, I'd be very, very grateful to the people who are helping me.
	I'd be very, very polite to them.
	I wouldn't point my camera out of the window and laugh at the protests like I was the one with the whip hand in this situation.
	I absolutely would.
	They take us for fools, Carl.
	They know.
	They take us for fools.
	They know the police are protecting them against us.
	So there are a number of things that are on here, right?
	But I'm also slightly concerned that we get obsessed with these individuals rather than the people that are allowing this to happen and making it work.
	The thing is, hang on, the thing is, we spent the first half of the podcast talking about those people.
	And actually, I'm more concerned that we don't talk about the nature of the people who we're allowing in.
	Because I agree with you that we are, you are completely correct.
	All of the institutions that have allowed and brought this to be to bear on us, that is entirely the reason this is here.
	But we don't talk about the nature of the people themselves.
	So I think it's, and it's always difficult to talk about the nature of them.
	There are many of these men of a certain age that have come from very particular regions that do not respect the things that we have agreed on in a Western, let's call it Western, but you know, society.
	So views of women.
	Where is the Matu movement on this world?
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	So they're not being there.
	But I'm also in a number of areas, which is why people are protesting and why they're so furious about it.
	The reason they're behaving, in my view, like this is because they know that they've got this institutional backdrop and the cultural wind is of this kind.
	And look, it's like I also genuinely, I would also, I agree with your point that if you go somewhere and you've become you have a duty to respect the people you've been the case for a long time for migrants, by the way, who came from the Commonwealth and everything historically.
	And you look at generations of people who are like very committed, very loyal, very patriotic.
	And some of them have come to the protests, as I said earlier.
	So I think people are genuinely concerned, and particularly certain regions, like with the rape gang inquiry, there happens to be some groups from some areas that personify that.
	And you should absolutely be allowed to discuss it.
	It's embarrassing and it's dangerous when the police respond like that because you just think, well, here's a physical attack.
	This is where words of violence become so mad.
	It came from the academy, but you're like, no, actually, someone has done violence.
	They spat on me.
	It's a physical assault.
	But what it's doing, though, is it's reinforcing a daily humiliation of the English people.
	That's the real problem.
	These men have absolutely no respect for us at all.
	And we're giving them money.
	They are daily visiting indignities upon us.
	And then when...
	Absolutely.
	And when we're out protesting, housing, I mean, we are prioritizing these people who've contributed zero to our history, our culture, or indeed our economy.
	They're parasites.
	We are rewarding them with four-star hotels, food, mobile phones, and better treatment than people who've paid tax all their lives.
	And when we go out and protest...
	I think it was a sick joke, wouldn't you?
	Really?
	But look at the joy on their faces.
	This is a funny thing to them.
	Laughing at us is they wouldn't do this for us.
	That's why I think they think it's funny.
	Yeah, they're not in a position either to it.
	But what's interesting, when you become an American citizen, and even though that's much troubled now in the whole discussion of it, but there are things that are commitments that you need to talk about and discuss about their values and about a sense of what it is.
	And it's not just economic, of course, it's the constitution, it's the way of life.
	And that whole respect of a way of life and what you're coming into and what you should be doing.
	And there is no attempt.
	And this is the point about integration and the abandonment of that because the people who run this country and the institutions are embarrassed and ashamed of what we'd be integrating into.
	So they've jettisoned that, which then creates this backdrop, which is so problematic.
	The thing is, it goes a step further than this as well.
	Because if I was in a foreign country as a refugee and I was being given all of this money and all of this largesse from the state, and there were protesters around me, I'd be worried.
	I'd say, okay, well, what have I done to so inflame them?
	But these men are contemptuous of us because they know the state is fully behind them.
	They know the power is on their side.
	And so they can laugh at us from our position of humiliation with security.
	Well, they've traveled across multiple safe countries.
	And in a way, as Macron said, I don't agree with Mr. Macron very much, but I think he did correctly say, well, part of the problem is you're too generous with these people when they arrive in your country.
	And I think he's right.
	He is, but what kind of people does that attract?
	It doesn't attract hard-working businessmen who are interested in paying taxes and setting down routes.
	What that attracts is adventurous young men who are out for treasure and women.
	Well, Carl, most of these people have got quite a low IQ, and in all likelihood, they will not contribute to our economy.
	Absolutely.
	It's not like the Huguenots and the Jews who fled persecution in Europe.
	They actually came here.
	A lot of them made huge contributions to this country.
	But even beneath.
	But I mean, these people are not going to make huge contributions to our country.
	The problem with this line of thought is that assumes that if they could make a good contribution, then we'd have to suffer this kind of indignity.
	Well, they can't make a contribution if they come here with that attitude.
	That attitude in itself shows you they don't have any intent to contribute.
	They are taking us for fools.
	They absolutely are.
	If you come as a migrant or an asylum seeker, I call them economic migrants.
	I don't think they're asylum seekers.
	Having travelled across all these safe countries, how can they be asylum seekers?
	They're adventurous.
	And as Alan said, we all know they're all men, even though the Labour government denies it and they've denied it on a number of occasions.
	They're adventurous.
	In previous eras, these men would have joined up with the Sultan and gone off and joined his army and be plundering some bloody city in the Middle East.
	So, no, they don't respect us.
	And unfortunately, they're going to be a burden to our productive society for a very long time to come.
	But I'm far less worried about the burden to productivity than I am the children being raped by them.
	Every day for the last week, we have had an example of boat migrants raping children.
	And now, you've got to understand it in the context of they don't respect us.
	And they don't understand why we are putting them in hotels that are just like in Epping is the worst example.
	The hotel is within visual range of the school.
	Like, they come from cultures that are deeply closed.
	They are not free and open cultures.
	You cannot just go to one of their children's schools.
	It would be a gang of men who would chase you down the street if an Englishman was found loitering around one of their kids' schools.
	It's just not allowed.
	And so when we say, right, yeah, just come in and just do what you like.
	What they interpret that as being is, we want you to do these things.
	We are okay with you doing these things.
	That's how they take it.
	Well, they're taught that it's okay to do it.
	Of course, they are.
	They come from the English.
	It's like oil and water there.
	Absolutely.
	The entire culture is different to ours.
	They see us as kind of fallen people.
	And so they think that we're saying it's okay to do this.
	They think we're weak, Carl.
	They absolutely do.
	They absolutely do.
	This is a pair of Afghan asylum seekers, presumably ones that were smuggled in by the Conservative government, who've been charged with the rape and kidnap of a 12-year-old girl in Nuneaton.
	Why are there bloody Afghans in Nuneaton?
	Again, talking about a dishonest state, is there anything more dishonest than deceiving the British people about this Afghan influx as a result?
	It's crazy.
	It's a certain mistake, supposed mistake, by the civil service.
	It's mad.
	But the thing is, this happened in the middle of the day.
	This happened in broad daylight, in the middle of the street.
	And it's like, what?
	Like, imagine the sort of thought process that had to get to the point where these two guys thought, yeah, we're going to kidnap and rape a 12-year-old at midday in the middle of the street in Nuneaton and ask yourself why these barbarians are here.
	And then the police were like, well, okay, look, you can't tell everyone about this because this will, quote, inflame community tensions.
	Yeah, I think it might, actually.
	I think it might.
	I mean, this is Warwickshire police.
	Where is the policing without fear or favor, Carl?
	Well, we don't want community tensions, Rupert.
	You know, we don't want community tensions, do we?
	I mean, that's the last thing we want.
	One man from Warwickshire said they're hushing it up because they don't want an epping situation on their hands.
	I'm sorry.
	Every time a migrant rapes a child, there should be an epping situation.
	There should be mass protests and they should be removed from the community.
	I mean, they shouldn't have been there in the first place, of course.
	But that's the way that things are.
	And at the moment, there's a young man leading Warwick Council, one of the 18-year-old reform councillors.
	And he's actually come out quite hard on this.
	He put out this superb statement, and he's done a press release.
	He wrote a letter.
	Yeah, a letter to Yvette Cooper.
	And he's done a press conference, but it happened too soon before the podcast for me to include it on the podcast.
	where he's just saying, well, look, this is dreadful, this is unacceptable.
	You know, why are these people here?
	My duty as the leader of the Warwickshire County Council is to protect the residents, not protect community cohesion, which allows foreign migrants to rape children.
	That's unacceptable.
	That's absolutely unacceptable.
	And so, uh, good for them for actually getting things done on this.
	Well, I've written lots of letters to Yvette Cooper like whether or not this will get things done.
	I have a great saying, watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying, because I'm confident this will turn into an epping situation.
	Actually, a lot of people, I mean, I don't think I've ever had a reply, and I've written to Yvette Cooper on multiple occasions.
	I mean, it's a very similar letter to the one we've been writing for quite some time.
	Just to be clear, I don't think it's the letter to Yvette Cooper that's going to get things done.
	I think what's going to happen is an epping situation where the local residents come out and just say, no, these men have to go.
	And like an epping, they will eventually get them.
	Although, when we do write tens of thousands of letters, which we at Together, the Together Declaration, do get people to do, it does have an impact.
	So, we did help stop mandatory jabs, particularly for people who'd been doing things for a year, and we got it turned around.
	We managed to help stop vaccine passwords, the earlier form of digital ID, completely mad idea that had no bearing in the same way that these new digital IDs have no bearing on what we're talking about, right?
	They're just an attempt to limit things.
	And across the board, we've seen the Department of Transport, we've changed legislation there with funding liverable streets and low-traffic neighborhoods, debanking.
	Lots of letters can work from the public as part of an overall strategy, right?
	Where we get the, and this is the thing.
	I'm not so much in it's like great that people are now standing and giving a lead and saying things, and it's fantastic, right?
	Whether it's in parliament or campaign groups, but the British public, in the end, is where the power lies.
	We the many, right?
	I mean, because actually, things change immediately.
	If you've got a mandate, a true mandate from the public, and you can say, Look, this is where, look, I'm representing this view.
	I've been very clear about it, and I'm here.
	And if we've got the public behind things, and they're saying to their constituents, or they're standing, and they're elected, and across the board, things change quickly, right?
	So then again, you see, you're right, but and we, with Lucy Conley, I mean, we were able to once you've got a large membership, you can force, as you know, a debate in Westminster Hall.
	Yeah, so we've we managed, as we started at two o'clock, I think we'd had 100,000 signatures by 11 o'clock at night.
	It was great.
	So you start, if you get a movement, and again, a lot of people find it very difficult to understand.
	Why isn't it a party?
	Well, the point is a movement is to unify.
	A party divides because you actually end up with tribal barriers.
	We don't want that.
	What we want is unity amongst everybody in the country who actually shares the same view that things are going badly wrong.
	They can feel their country slipping through their fingers and they want it back.
	And if they just sit there and don't do anything, I'm afraid they are going to lose their country.
	Well, that's why I really agree with the point about, and we try and remind everyone about duty.
	But don't you think Yvette Cooper should answer these letters?
	Absolutely.
	She's from an MP.
	Absolutely.
	I think Yvette Cooper probably understands she's probably not winning the next election.
	She's probably losing a seat.
	I mean, half of the Labour Front bench are already on ticking clock.
	But that's where responsibility and the sense of duty and your civic responsibility is also not just what they're legislated for in terms of responsibilities, but just where is the sense of your honesty and dedication to the service rather than just the particular party or your pragmatic view.
	And that's what people want to see much more.
	They want to see commitment to principles.
	They want to see honesty.
	They want to see transparency.
	The trust deficit is so huge.
	But also, we have...
	Yeah, indeed.
	But the way we turn it around, because you've got loads of viewers, and we have to remind ourselves is not just to moan and complain, to us all take our sense of duty and responsibility in making our country better again and what we want to see it, because that we can give a lead in big ways, locally, regionally, nationally, that can then transform things.
	I completely agree.
	We'll move on to the next one now, Samson.
	Yeah, no, I completely agree with you.
	On a personal level, you have to be responsible for the things around you.
	You have to be responsible for your friends, your family, your business, whatever it is you do.
	But the problem that we have is just the state has turned its face against us.
	We are on the receiving end of all of these things, and we are getting the crackdown, which is now beginning.
	Now, 15 people were arrested over the weekend at various points around the country.
	Now, I'm for breaching the Public Order Act.
	Now, I'm going to be generous because I don't have any actual granular detail on this.
	So, I'm just going to be generous and assume that every single one of these arrests was justified.
	Now, you might say, well, that's very optimistic, and I'm going to agree with you.
	That is very optimistic.
	But like I said, I don't have any direct evidence that anyone has arrested someone who didn't deserve it.
	So, I'm just going to take them at their word that these people were all getting out of control and causing lots of trouble.
	But then, something that's interesting is Jack Hadfield, here is a journalist who is on the scene at the Britannia Hotel in London.
	And he pointed out that the police had issued an order under section 42A of the Criminal Justice and Police Act requiring everyone to leave the vicinity and not return for 28 days because they were causing, quote, harassment, alarm, and distress to the hotel residents, as in the illegal aliens who were in the hotel.
	And at least one man was arrested after the order was given.
	So, as you can see, they have powers.
	Now, I mean, obviously, you can see this was brought in by the Labour Party, but there were other powers that were brought in by the Conservative Party that they're also using.
	But this is the point.
	They've decided, oh, no, we have just had enough now.
	I think the Online Safety Act was the Tories.
	That was indeed the Tories as well.
	I wasn't referring to that, but that isn't.
	Yeah, there's a 2014 Public Order Act that's being used as well.
	So you've got the criminal justice bill as well for 2014.
	I think it's public space protection orders and all these draconian measures about how many people can walk down a street if you can play with cars in the park, a range of measures that a lot of people didn't really give too much note to until you suddenly realise that officialdom and busy bodies start interrupting in a citizen's right to just have their own privacy and enjoy themselves in a public arena without interference unless they're doing something wrong.
	Or engage in a fundamental democratic freedom, which is protest.
	So you can see that the authorities now have got to the point where like, right, okay, no, you're just not going to be allowed to do this.
	And what's interesting is the Met Police responded to this and said, no, no, no, we haven't banned protests outside the Britannia Hotel.
	We want to encourage people to exercise their lawful rights.
	I'm sure they're thrilled to do so.
	But what it is, is these specific group of people that they have banned.
	It's like, okay, but how do you know who they are?
	How do you know that that specific group of people, as if you know, they weren't, they didn't have badges, you know, they were just random locals and not allowed to protect.
	So, now what?
	Do we have to get people in from outside to come and protest if the locals aren't allowed to protest?
	Well, it's outrageous.
	I mean, something just happened as well.
	We had a guy recently, people would have seen that Monty got actually arrested a couple of streets away when he left the protest, actually, for him saying that trans was mental health issues.
	He was not arrested when he was at Brighton this weekend.
	So, you kind of think, well, either it is an arrestable offense or it's not.
	But they put then an order in banning him coming to Westminster because they specifically didn't want him to go to the Pride.
	There's a number of Pride things weekly, it seems now as well.
	And what you've got is an attempt.
	This is what I mean about the technocratic impulse, right?
	It's a legalistic, technocratic attempt to suffocate debate and discussion, certain debate, and certain discussion, because we've seen weekly protests where they've done things on statues, where they've called our nation all sorts of terrorism.
	During the lockdowns, the Black Lives Matter protests were just given carte blunts.
	Yeah, and the week and regular organization.
	They're terrible.
	And regularly, we've seen that whatever anyone thinks about the Middle East and the region there, you're entitled to your views.
	But these so-called Palestine demos, we've seen all sorts of things happen on them around the country, but they're not being treated in this way.
	So, what the public immediately goes is, okay, so if we're a family locally, everyday working-class people, and we're concerned about migrants and rape and violence, then we can't come back and protest because you've deemed us beyond the pale.
	But all these other things can carry on going.
	And by the way, when are people going to be held accountable for the actual crimes that we're so it's utterly insulting, it's very dangerous, right?
	Because people go, well, if we can't do that, and you're criminalizing criminalizing the public for having completely reasonable views and behaving peacefully.
	Well, I was Carl, I was reading some research the other day, and I knew this would come up.
	So, your permission to read a little quote from my favourite, one of my favourite Austrian school economists called Ludwig von Mises.
	And he said, The worship of the state is the worship of force.
	There is no more dangerous menace to civilization than a government of incompetent, corrupt, or vile men.
	You just said the Labour Party.
	Do you know?
	I think that sums up well where we are.
	It's quicker to just say the Labour Party.
	I mean, this is all a manifestation of it, isn't it?
	Yes.
	As you can see, again, the regular people, as you were saying, they're the ones who are the enemies of the state.
	They are the threat to the current order.
	And they're well aware of this.
	And so the question that I asked earlier was: well, how do they know it's the same people?
	How do they know who they've banned?
	Exactly.
	And the answer is that they're using terrorist tracking software to monitor who's going to these protests.
	So this is a White Hall disinformation unit that has used tools that were created to hunt for jihadists to find critics of asylum hotels, according to the Telegraph.
	The secretive team was this week revealed to have flagged concerning narratives about migrants to tech platforms during the Southport riots.
	In 2017, ministers commissioned this again under the Conservatives commissioned a company called Faculty, which is an AI firm, to search for recruitment videos posted by the Islamic State.
	And faculty has sold this software to the government to monitor foreign interference in the elections, and now it can be used for domestic purposes.
	So they're going to use AI to track the people who arrive at these protests.
	And who knows where this goes after that?
	This is just where we're at now.
	Well, it's dystopian, isn't it?
	I mean, that's putting it lightly.
	But no, yes, it's completely dystopian, which is why the Americans have completely, completely seen this.
	And they said, right, okay, there's just something wrong with Britain at this point.
	Can we play this, Samson, in the full screen?
	1984 called and he wants its ministry of truth back.
	The UK has created an elite police unit known as the National Internet Intelligence Investigations Team dedicated to monitoring anti-migrant social media posts.
	Leaders claim its purpose is to detect early signs of potential unrest.
	Unrest like this protest and counter-protest had erupted after a 38-year-old asylum-seeking migrant was charged with sexual assault for attempting to kiss a 14-year-old girl.
	Despite the surveillance, UK's Prime Minister insists he still believes in free speech.
	We've had free speech for a very, very long time here.
	I'm very proud of that.
	We're protective.
	Well, with us now to react is public news...
	We'll leave that there.
	But you can see the Americans are just looking on in horror of what's happening in Britain.
	So we are genuinely...
	It's an Orwellian dystopia that's being created in front of our eyes.
	Well, did you see that interview where Trump was very relaxed and Starmer was sitting there...
	I did.
	...with his lip quivering, looking very nervous, while Donald Trump was talking about all sorts of issues which he believes are plaguing Britain.
	And he's correct about it.
	But I think, you know, in the same way, we rely now on what Elon Musk has done at Twitter, which, by the way, is an incredible example of what can be done.
	If you...
	I think he probably overpaid for it, although he will probably prove me wrong on that.
	But he then cut out 80% of the staff, and it now works a lot better.
	And we actually have got a free speech platform.
	We haven't got these algorithms that sort of legislate against free speech.
	So I think Elon Musk has done the most fantastic job.
	I know he's closely watching what's happening.
	And I think the Americans are, too.
	I actually went...
	They asked me to go to the American embassy the other day, and I know they're watching what's happening here with some concern.
	And so they should be.
	I mean, this is against all of the essence of, as you and I were talking earlier, Anglo-Saxon fairness.
	Absolutely.
	It's against all the essence of our laws.
	It's against everything that we stand for.
	The whole spirit of this country.
	So when you see little men like Keir Starmer setting up units like this, with the support of a malign police leadership, you really have to start to get worried.
	And I think people are quite right now to stand up, because, as you say, Alan, if they don't stand up in numbers, this is a gradual creep towards statism, which, as we all know, with the communists, ended with a huge loss of personal freedom.
	And that's what we're going to lose if we're not careful.
	This is the country we are giving to our children and grandchildren.
	That's the problem.
	It's horrific.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, this is why we've got our campaign against digital ID and for a digital bill of rights that sets out the parameters of what can be done in terms of our privacy.
	And, you know, remember Hannah Arendt makes the point that if you can't have a private life, you can't have a public life and you collapse both.
	And we've seen that in the worst examples historically.
	Now, what's going on?
	It's horrendous.
	It's so ironic and hypocritical and wrong, but just there was something that's been set up to pursue actual jihadi terrorists then is then weaponized and sent to our own citizens and British subjects who are like lawfully, peacefully asking questions I mean, it is just so insulting and very dangerous.
	And if any of them are watching, because I think people do tend to watch things.
	No doubt, yeah.
	But you guys, you do need to have a little think about all of this and take a big, big step back.
	But the thing, what's happening now is that this is being discussed openly everywhere, right?
	Unlike what was happening before.
	So partly because of what Elon Musk had done.
	And that we've got initiatives in Britain like the Free Speech Union, like Together, like people like yourself.
	There are a lot of people we've got now, citizen journalists.
	A lot more people are making their voices heard.
	By the way, Bev Turner was brilliant.
	See, this is the other thing.
	She asked a number of questions of President Trump and Keir Starmer and Keir Starmer.
	They haven't put it out on their social media since then.
	Many of those points and questions because it was embarrassing.
	It was a disgrace to be, you know, when you're British, it was embarrassing.
	But the Trumpian moment, what's so exciting, and having gone through Trump 1.0, he'd recognized all of these things about people getting in the way of democratic impulse, the non-elected people doing that to him, how you could have a coup, how you could almost get hoisted on a petard if you challenged all those globalists.
	He went through all of that and he was like, and now we've got something really inspiring.
	And I was there at the inauguration and just interviewing people, talking to them and everything.
	I'm like, this whole American spirit of possibility of like different people that has been put together are kind of like that cabinet reflects so many different things.
	Someone like Jay Battichari, the head of the NIH, I mean, a minute ago, they were the deplorables, the unspeakables.
	You couldn't, you know, they were saying they're calling us all sorts of things deniers.
	So the thing is, things are changing, but we need to really get to grips with this.
	And the digital ID thing is where everything's kind of comes together.
	Free speech, like the Online Safety Act, how you surveil and control and target people, what you're doing financially.
	The head of the Bank of International Settlements, the CEO, said we can track every single transaction, cash a significant section of the public, elderly population.
	Central banks need to be made transparent, Alan.
	There's some things going on.
	But I thought with the Trump, the Trump situation, about the only thing Starmer said in Sadiq Khan's defense was that he's a friend of mine.
	Well, I'm saying defense of Saudi Arabia.
	He's proud of that.
	That's quite extraordinary, isn't it?
	Well, there's very little to be said in defense of Sadiq Khan, is there?
	I mean, he's made an absolute hash of it.
	Steady on, he's my friend.
	Yeah, well, that speaks volumes.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	No, no, you're absolutely right.
	So I would just say that if people agree with this, they should get involved with this because the digital bill of rights to create something in Britain that is clear and that says you're not allowed to do it.
	Like there's been precedent set.
	You have to have a warrant.
	You know, the Englishman's home is his castle was set on a precedent.
	The idea that you can listen on someone's telephone or look at their mail through the royal mail.
	Well, now, not the royal mail, but you have to have legal parameters around that.
	And they were fought for.
	And often people have died for things like that.
	And we need to ring fence and protect those liberties.
	And we have a sense of responsibility and duty.
	And I think that if everyone wants to get involved in that, that would put a lot of pressure on making that happen.
	Because at the moment, this cavalier approach, it could be in a 15-minute city or low-traffic neighborhoods.
	It could be in about approach to what your view is on farming.
	It could be about net zero.
	But we're all going to fall foul of this, right?
	And if we don't hold the line together, this is going to impact everyone.
	And once we lose our free speech, there is no real freedom to speak of because we can't discuss anything else or do anything about it.
	But I think, Alan, this going above what you're saying, you're quite right because you and I have done a lot for the farmers.
	We've done a lot.
	And I'm amazed the small business representatives aren't making more noise because they're going to be affected just like the farmers are.
	Coastal communities, there's Red Wool seats.
	There's everybody's been left behind.
	But I think the most important thing here is, and I gave a, I had a 10-minute rule bill on the Weimar Republic.
	And the interesting thing about the Weimar Republic is that going with currency devaluation is honestly, it gets washed away.
	And I think what's happening now is our state has become systemically corrupt.
	And what happens when you get a systemically corrupt state?
	And just in the last 55 years, the dollar's fallen 99%.
	So debts have risen.
	Currencies have depreciated.
	And the game now, I think, is it's got to be the only last card they can play is deception.
	And the final chapter will come when our currencies, the Western currencies, actually finally become what they should be worth.
	And I'm sure there's central bank manipulation going on to maintain this illusion of currency strength.
	But I don't think they'll be able to keep it up.
	And ultimately, if you look at history, and whether it's Judean, whether it's Roman, whoever it is, when their culture goes rotten, in the end, their currency collapses.
	And that is the end of their power.
	But before that happens, you do get censorship.
	You do get desperation.
	You do get those people who seek power trying to effectively hoodwink the majority of decent, hardworking people.
	And, you know, in my businesses, I have huge admiration for the people who work hard.
	They want to live their lives in a free and honest way.
	And yet they've got this state above them who is now completely dishonest.
	And the more I'm in Parliament, the more I see the way it functions, the more I know that we are heading for a national catastrophe.
	And if we don't become stronger now, it's going to be even more of a catastrophe than is going to happen.
	And it's going to start with currency depreciation, which is where the end of all evil goes.
	You can see that this is very much the end of the Blairite paradigm that is unwinding here as well.
	All of the mechanisms to control people that were put in place by Tony Blair and then his successor, David Cameron.
	Well, Brown.
	Don't forget Brown.
	Yeah, yeah, sorry.
	Brown was almost worse than Blair.
	I know, I know.
	But the new labor paradigm that Blair and Brown both consent to.
	And I think had Derry Irving behind him.
	Brown is truly a cloth-capped socialist.
	Yeah, I know.
	He was trying to create what he saw as a dependency culture, which would always vote labor.
	That was his game.
	But the system itself put in a series of safeguards, which is the 2001 Act that we just referenced and various other ones.
	And it's now that they're starting to use them.
	And that's the reason they're starting to use them is because the system itself is going wrong.
	People are out in the streets.
	People are out protesting.
	People are not happy with how things are going.
	And so you can see that, right, okay, we've set up all these safeguards.
	We're going to clamp down now.
	But that signals actually the weakening of the system itself.
	The reason, like you were saying, the things get bad towards the end.
	Well, this is it getting bad towards the end.
	So there are a number of things.
	I mean, also what happened, we were meant to get with Brexit and didn't happen.
	And for us now to repeal all sorts of things, which now needs to happen.
	Boris could have done.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like absolute betrayal, right?
	But I am also the end is nigh end of the world moment or the end of a Western civilization moment.
	I think that that discussion has happened for some time.
	I am concerned.
	And if you look at people like Burnham And others who talk about managerialism, the rising technocratism, and is it going to be socialism or capitalism?
	There's been a whole discussion, and we've been sluggish since the 70s, and there's been revaluations.
	There's been concerns with, you know, and I think sometimes we might look.
	I take your points very, very strongly, Rupert, but I do also think that there's a potential to create productivity and transform things, to have innovation and design, have a festival of Britain, coastal regeneration, farming, have it protecting our borders, ensuring that our education is done in a certain way.
	We can revitalize.
	I know you're not saying it's inevitable.
	You're saying it's late.
	But I am concerned with the end.
	So, what I was saying is we're coming to the end.
	I wasn't saying of Britain.
	I was saying of the system of the Blairite paradigm, what they created with new labour in 1920.
	What you have to remember, Alan.
	That's coming to an end.
	And after that ends, I think we can do exactly what you're doing.
	I agree.
	I think there's a lot of positives about Britain.
	If we carry on with another Labour government in 29, then I think the game's over.
	It's not happening.
	But I mean, in our name, both in this country and particularly in America, governments have built up unsustainable levels of debt and debt.
	You know what the definition of credit is suspicion asleep, right?
	So when people no longer trust you, your interest rates go through the roof.
	And ultimately, what's been allowed to happen is people, evil people who wanted to maintain power, have borrowed in the name of the taxpaying public far too much money.
	We all know that.
	And that is what's going to unwind.
	Now, that doesn't mean to say there isn't what I call a bedrock of decency, of entrepreneurialism and of ability within both the US and the UK.
	But I think there's got to be a complete reawakening as to who we are and what we are.
	And what's very interesting at the moment, and I've never seen this before, is that I think the American economy is much weaker than it appears to be.
	But actually, the emerging markets are doing incredibly well.
	And that says to me that true industrial sort of growth is happening in those countries which respect freedom.
	They haven't always had freedom.
	They respect freedom and they're working towards an industrial style economy.
	Those are the workers.
	We are the people who are consuming.
	And ultimately, what happens is when the workers realize that the consumers are paying with a printed piece of paper, that's when your definition of credit comes into play.
	Suspicion asleep.
	They go to themselves, why should I do all this work and accept a piece of paper?
	And there is a very, very gentle balance which is about to break, I think.
	And that's why it's so important that we get our country back, that we actually start to plan for national renewal and national revival.
	And that is not going to be served well by what I call untargeted mass illegal and legal immigration.
	Okay.
	And foreign criminals, as you know, I'm totally consistent.
	They should be deported straight away back to where they came from.
	You're very soft on this, Rupert.
	Don't come here.
	Very soft as well.
	I'd come and commit crime, Carl.
	I'd flog them first.
	Well, then deport them.
	Very, very moderate, Rupert.
	So look, I mean, we put it out every day.
	People know what we think.
	We don't hide it.
	Until we get real, I think we've got a rude awakening coming as a country.
	So I'm sorry, for the interest of time, I've got to carry on.
	There have been a couple of other things that I want to point out here, which is that a man died at one of these protests.
	He was arrested by the police.
	And this BBC report tells us his name was Ellis Rox, 26.
	He was detained by Greater Manchester Police because of a protest in Wigan.
	And apparently, he was found unresponsive in his cell.
	Apparently, he was trying to deal drugs.
	And an arrest was made on suspicion of drug offense.
	And also on suspicion of assault in London.
	He was found collapsed in a cell at 2:30 a.m. on Friday.
	He had suffered a cardiac arrest on his way to the hospital where he died.
	There are going to be lots of people who are looking for malfeasance on the part of the police.
	I'm not sure this is it.
	But I mean, the CCTV footage and the body camera footage is being reviewed as part of the watchdogs investigation.
	So I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that this is not indicative yet of any kind of malfeasance on the part of the police.
	It seems that this may well just be a tragic event that's happened.
	But there is also the I'd like to end talking about Lucy Connolly.
	So I saw your post about how she'll be the guest of honor at Westminster Debate reviewing the use of prison for a punishment for social media posts.
	Would you like to tell us a bit more about that?
	Well, I spoke to Ray, her husband, last week, or I actually communicated with him on WhatsApp.
	And as you know, when you get 100,000 signatures, you now get a debate in Westminster Hall, as we had on Halal Meat in one I spoke at the other day.
	Or Halal Slaughter.
	So I spoke to Ray because I feel Lucy Connolly's post, whilst it was not a wise thing to post, it was legally, I think, open to interpretation.
	And I think if she'd had good legal advice, she would never have gone to prison.
	But she actually pleaded guilty.
	I suspect it was with legal aid.
	I haven't gone into that.
	And as a result, she was sent to prison for longer than some of these men who rape underage white girls go to prison for.
	And at the same time, we're releasing violent criminals from prison, which is extraordinary.
	So I spoke to him.
	And if we do get a Westminster Hall debate, which we should, it's possible the government might try and slip out of it because we never know with the government what they're going to do.
	I thought it'd be a very good idea if Lucy was there with Ray.
	They're allowed to come and watch.
	And I think it would lend weight to it.
	And obviously, I discussed it with him.
	We had to be very careful because we don't know what bail conditions are going to be not bailed, but conditions are going to be given to her if she's early released.
	I don't think there's any reason why she shouldn't come to a debate.
	Is she actually physically going to be present, though?
	Is she?
	We don't know the date yet.
	But when we know she will be released, hopefully, this month, I think towards the end of this month.
	So we aren't expecting this to happen until September, October.
	When we've got the date, hopefully she will come with Ray and she can watch the debate taking place.
	Excellent.
	And I hope that we'll see some strong MPs giving powerful speeches about the injustice of what happened to her.
	But we'll see.
	A bit like the rape gang, we had a lot of vulnerable girls in parliament two or three weeks ago.
	And we did get some MPs turn up and credit to them, but not many.
	No reform.
	A couple of Labour.
	More Labor.
	Very few MPs.
	Very few Lib Dems.
	I don't think there was a Lib Dem there.
	More Labour MPs than Reform MPs.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	There were no reform MPs.
	That's the screen.
	So it was...
	And I don't think until we've been transparent about this issue, the country can't really move on.
	I think it's such a deep-seated evil that's festering in our gut, that we've got to deal with it.
	And that's what we're hoping our crowdfunder will achieve.
	But I think with this, I and again, it goes to your point about social media posts and free speech.
	And, you know, if people say things that the government doesn't like, that's not a punishable offence.
	No, I don't think it should be.
	That's something which is necessary to hold a government to account.
	And I always welcome debate within the companies I run.
	I think the more debate you have, the more you get at logic and truth.
	And the more you're transparent, the happier everybody is.
	So I don't understand why we need opacity when we can have transparency.
	Well, it's because the system itself is trying to bring into existence something that people don't want.
	That's why.
	And everyone can see it.
	Everyone can see at this point that the kind of Britain that they're trying to create is not the kind of Britain we grew up in and not the kind of Britain that we want to hand down to our children.
	So that's why they don't want us talking about this.
	And that's why they came down so damn hard.
	But we've got lots of comments.
	I'm only going to read few, unfortunately, folks, because this has been a very robust conversation.
	Michael says, the actions by the Bank of England against Liz Trust were nothing short of treason, as you mentioned this earlier.
	Well, they're an independent agency.
	Nothing can be done.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes, there is something can be done.
	Name the directors as traitors and drag them before the court.
	Which Andrew Bailey tells you?
	Well, yes.
	We know his name.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's not a secret.
	Used to run the FCA.
	Again, not with greater plom.
	But it wasn't one of the first things that Tony Blair did in office to make the Bank of England independent.
	Why would we want that?
	I think it was him and Gordon Brown, wasn't it?
	But what advantage of that?
	Oh, exactly.
	But then you have partisan positioning with it, and it was clear what happened with Bailey and what happened with Liz Trust.
	But I think a bit like when Barack Obama did that thing with Trump in the Press Association and made fun of him, there are unintended consequences of those things.
	And I think that various people have become very infuriated by it and, you know, as they should do.
	And I think all these things are building towards a situation where many people who may not have had that much in common 10 years ago or 15 years ago are all now coming together and saying, we're not going to let this happen to our country.
	And that's a wonderful thing.
	It's going to be an enormous fight.
	It's not going to be just because we win, get some applause on social media and do so.
	It's going to be tough.
	And it's going to be hard.
	But because it's so deep-rooted, what the last three decades of the globalist assault and the technocrats and everyone's got so used to it financially and politically.
	But I think at the same time, the stakes are so high and we have no, it's a bit like that.
	Here I stand, I can do no other moment.
	No, I completely agree.
	I mean, one of the first things a patriotic government needs to do is gain control of the Bank of England.
	Make them accountable to the public.
	They can't just do this.
	They could outsource responsibility and then they could say we're not to blame.
	It was another one of those moments where they just outsource these things.
	As it happens, they've partly done that with censorship.
	They've outsourced it to Silicon Valley.
	But they say, well, we'll charge you 80 million or 10% of your revenue and you could go to prison for two years.
	So then they're here on the side of caution.
	So it's an ability for them to not take responsibility.
	Same as what Boris did during lockdowns.
	Oh, I'll bring the science in, the medics.
	You're like, well, where's your decisions with judgment in policy?
	And he was right on his initial judgment.
	After we saw the WhatsApp message was, well, we just have to take it on the chin.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Indeed.
	We just had to take it on the chin.
	But the whole quangocracy, Liz Trust is really correct on this.
	The whole thing just needs to be scrapped, every single one.
	Well, I think that's right, Carl.
	I mean, the biggest pervasive damage to our financial system, and by the way, guilt yields are now higher than when Liz Trust was criticized.
	I know.
	I know.
	A lot of it was falling.
	A lot of it was people writing volatility against their pension books because interest rates flat at zero for 10 years.
	A lot of these pensions needed to generate income.
	So again, a lot of it was what I call natural market forces, which I think the Bank of England have now admitted.
	To me, the biggest evil is the central banking, the global central banks who are wired into the World Economic Forum, who are arguably the globalists.
	This is the globalist agenda, which is the one which the British people voted not to have in 2016.
	We didn't want it.
	And a lot of this immigration, I think, is I think go further.
	That was what Boris's win was on back of as well.
	It's a punishment for the British people exercising a democratic vote, which they were given by David Cameron.
	Simple question, they gave a simple answer.
	And even though he tried to influence that decision by sending out a pamphlet at the cost of £8 or £9 million to every household, the British people still voted to take back their sovereignty.
	They want their sovereignty back.
	And I think, to your point, Alan, accountable government has got to be the key.
	Global government will never be accountable.
	It never has been and never will be.
	Look at the European Union.
	I spent nine months in the belly of the beast, as I call it.
	And whilst it's a very easy place to be, you travel first class, you get not a very big salary, you get a big, big allowance for staff.
	If you're interested in going to debates, you can do that.
	But it costs the European taxpayer a fortune.
	And as you know, the elected assembly, a bit like our parliament now, which has followed their model, has only a negative veto on legislation that is put forward by the European Commission.
	And it's becoming almost like that in our Parliament now.
	Because our Parliament has been neutered.
	I mean, it's become powerless in many ways.
	It's a show.
	It's a charade.
	And I think the banking system goes, as I said earlier, it goes to the root of it all.
	Once your currency collapses, your legitimacy collapses.
	And then you have to go back to the bedrock of what you are.
	And if you aren't, you don't stand up and believe in anything.
	And I'm afraid this DEI and all the other nonsense is being rammed down our throats, net zero, all the other rubbish that we get peddled every day.
	That's not for real.
	And that's going to basically mean the fall is much harder than if we accept what we are and we know who we are and we love our history.
	So I do.
	I love our history.
	I think actually the way we should summarize all of this is say, because I think a lot of people are actually worried about becoming political.
	And I'm sorry, but if you can vote, you are a political agent.
	You hold a shard of sovereignty in your hand when you cast that vote.
	And the alternative, and this is what all of the system that we're seeing creating around us is, is to get away from politics and reduce everything to mere administration.
	They want to have a lot of hard people have fought for the vote, Carl.
	Well, this is the point.
	Look, look how hard women fought for that.
	This is the point.
	And the fact that there is now a supranational series of institutions that want to essentially render your vote worthless and reduce you to an administrative unit.
	Some countries force you to vote.
	Absolutely they do.
	And I'm not saying the legal obligation to vote.
	But the nature of the vote is becoming less relevant.
	And that's the problem with the power of parliament.
	Unfortunately, we are out of time at this point.
	There is so much more.
	I'm going to get a parking ticket in a moment.
	You are, yeah.
	So I better stop.
	But Alan, where can people find more from you?
	They can find us at toetheredeclaration.org and at TogetherDeck on X, and we're across all the other social platforms as well.
	Great.
	Rupert, where can people find more from you?
	Well, Restore Britain, Carl, is now up and running.
	We've had a tremendous response to membership and to the Cromwell Club, and we've had some donations, which is fantastic.
	And during the course of the summer, we're going to be working on our Direct Democracy app, which we're in the throes of putting together.
	And what we want is we want our membership to grow as big as it possibly can, and then we want them to have as much say as they would like to have on putative policy that we put forward.
	And you can see we're putting some stuff forward on a regular basis.
	So, I mean, I see a movement being the most powerful force to try and unite rather than divide.
	And it may well then play a part in how we're governed going forward, depending on what happens.
	But I think it keeps all the options open and it unifies, which I think is very important.
	So, I've got an ambition to try and stand up for what I think is right.
	I may be disappointed.
	I accept that.
	If people don't share my view that we need change, then I accept that.
	And I can paddle off at some stage between now and 29 and go and enjoy my life, which I was arguably doing before I got into the fray.
	But I think now what happened to me with reform has irritated me.
	What happened, I can see the malignancy that is close to power.
	You can feel it every day.
	And the more you try and achieve, the more that malignancy becomes evident.
	And whether that's through the media, whether it's through the Parliamentary Commission on Standards, whether it's through regulation.
	Regulation.
	Well, the FCA and the PRA, in Parliament, I spoke the other day, and so the Labour Minister said, so you'd get rid of the PRA and the FCA.
	I said, yes, I would.
	Obviously.
	I would.
	I go back to caveat emptor, buyer beware.
	You know, this car stuff today, I've been irritated by the fact that everybody's getting this compensation.
	Hang on a second.
	Why didn't you read the small print?
	Who is responsible for you signing a contract?
	You are.
	No functioning society can work properly if individual responsibility does not lie at the heart of it.
	So, no, I don't agree with all this nonsense.
	I would get rid of the FCA and the PRA.
	I think they've done more damage to our financial markets since Tony Blair and the Financial Services Market Act of 2000, another Blairite initiative, which created the FSA and then became the FCA and the PRA.
	So, look, I mean, we can go on for hours and hours, Carl.
	We can be on the fire.
	I'm definitely towed away.
	And Swindon Municipality will be in receipt of a very large check from me.
	Good luck wrestling with them.
	Anyway, thank you so much for joining me, gentlemen.
	It's been a real pleasure.

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