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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1078

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	Hello beautiful people.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.
	Today is episode 1078 and it is Tuesday the 14th of January 2025. I'm joined today by Dan and Bo and we're going to discuss Rachel from Accounts, images that define the woke era and Bo is going to take us to the stars with an electronic supersonic segment that remembers the Cassini-Huygens mission.
	Right.
	Shall we start?
	Yes.
	Let's talk about this woman here.
	This is Rachel from Accounts, and somehow she's ended up in charge of the UK economy, which, as it turned out, was a bad idea.
	Didn't really want to do that.
	So what do we know about Rachel?
	Well, we know she committed CV fraud.
	Her CV is not anywhere as good as she makes out.
	We know she lied about there being a £22 billion black hole.
	It's just an arbitrary number that they picked.
	It sounded good, like a number.
	Yeah, they kept on changing it and eventually they decided to go £22 billion because they thought, yeah, that would resonate.
	If it was a £22 billion black hole, it's a lot bigger now.
	As we get into.
	She lied about being a chess champion.
	Did she?
	Yep.
	That's new to me.
	Which is an odd thing to lie about.
	She plagiarised for a book, and if she runs the national finances, anything like her personal finances, that would explain why she got her credit card suspended.
	Did she?
	Yes.
	Is she, though, the first Rachel to have ever occupied that position?
	She's the first woman to ever be Chancellor of the UK, which they keep reminding us of.
	That's what the CV needs.
	Yes.
	All the others just additional, optional.
	Is Chancellor, has a vagina, therefore success.
	And a crypto commie, or just an out-and-out commie.
	Yes.
	What was the credit card thing?
	Oh, I'll dig out some details for you.
	Okay.
	It's one of the things that came up in the thing.
	Before we get into what a hash she's made of everything, I think we ought to have at least a little bit of her speaking.
	Let's listen to Rachel when she's confronted about lying on her CV. So Samson will just play this for us.
	People should judge me on the job that I do, fixing the economy, fixing the mess that we inherited from the Conservative government.
	No audio on that, Samson.
	What do you say about the fact there was a change made to the profile and it now says retail banking, it once said economists.
	Just explain that.
	Well, I'm an economist.
	I studied economics.
	I got a master's in economics from the London School of Economics, and I worked as an economist at the Bank of England.
	I then used that experience in the private sector, working for Halifax Bank of Scotland, where I worked in financial services before I became an MP 14 years ago.
	Why don't we wrap that up there, because we're not hearing the sound in here, but hopefully the audience at home heard it.
	But we can read lips, can we?
	Yes.
	She's basically saying there, look, don't worry about me.
	Lying on my CV because I was an economist.
	I use those skills in the private sector and some other stuff.
	Oh, and importantly, she says, judge me by my results.
	Trust me, bro.
	Yes, yes.
	I've got a very low threshold for liars, I must say.
	Yes.
	There's one thing to be wrong about something, right?
	Everyone can be wrong about something.
	I've been wrong about loads of things.
	But to deliberately lie.
	Yes.
	Other than little white liars, in my world, it's just not really okay, hardly ever.
	Certainly nothing big.
	Don't go being a chess champion when you're obviously not.
	Is that?
	Yes.
	She said she was a chess champion, and it's just not true.
	Here's a post...
	Yeah, but she didn't say which championship she had in mind.
	Maybe it was a small neighborhood championship.
	Could have been with a local kindergarten, couldn't it?
	Or special needs school.
	Someone at a park, she checkmated.
	This is somebody who's actually worked with Rachel from accounts.
	And this guy is saying, look, that Rachel worked about three levels below him in whichever bank it was.
	And that she wasn't an economist.
	She was a complaint support manager.
	Which...
	It's probably going to come in handy dealing with complaints.
	To call yourself an economist is quite a claim.
	It's like saying I'm a philanthropist or something.
	It's like saying I'm a polymath, almost.
	Let other people call you an economist first.
	Unless you've got a PhD in economics, say.
	Well, she's got an undergraduate in economics.
	Which is, to be fair, all the academic qualification I have in economics.
	But it's one of those things you then go and learn afterwards.
	The street has to accept you.
	Yeah, well, you need to figure it out, and I don't actually think you get an awful lot from universities, because you just get Marxists telling you stuff.
	Yeah, so she was a complaint support manager at HBOS. She almost got sacked for an expenses scandal.
	We're three senior managers signing off each other's expenses.
	And she had a weirdly large amount of doctors and dentist visits.
	And so they decided to put somebody on following her.
	Now that's quite a big step for a company, to have one of their own employees follow to find out what's going on.
	And it's turned out that she was doing Labour Council business and basically getting paid for doing it by her employer.
	So she, well, resigned.
	It's cheating.
	Yes.
	You're called a cheat if you do that.
	She should have been sacked, but I guess because it was political and she might go places, they gave her the option of resigning instead, which is very good.
	So, yes.
	Rachel, from accounts, not the absolute best.
	Anyway, but she did say, in all of that, she did say, look, you need to judge me by my results, not just by what people are saying.
	Okay, so let's have a look.
	At the result...
	Oh, there we go.
	So that is the 10-year bond rates.
	And I'll go into the detail in a bit, but basically up and to the right, sharply like that, is bad.
	For the British state.
	Yes.
	Not if you're holding the gilts, but for the state.
	Oh, no, if you're holding the gilts, it's even worse.
	All right, okay.
	Yes.
	Because you think that there is a crisis in credibility.
	Yes.
	So the way it works is that with bonds, the price moves inversely to the rate.
	So think about it like this.
	If you've got a £100 bond that pays £5 a year, that's a 5% rate.
	£5 for each £100 of underlying capital, right?
	If the bond price were to go down, The rate would actually go up, because you'd have a £90 bond that is paying £5 a year.
	So the rate has gone from 5% to 5.5%.
	So the rates going up basically means that the underlying has gone down, which means that if you hold those bonds, which is your pension fund or an insurance fund, the government forces you to buy these bonds.
	So for those of you who are listening, who are in Britain, and you've got a pension or insurance, basically you've had money taken off you.
	Because your insurance premiums are going to go up or your pension is going to pay out less.
	So, yes, not good at all.
	What's that?
	That's 10-year gilts.
	That's 30-year gilts.
	Again, sharply moving up.
	Quite disastrous.
	Now, some people, especially people in the Labour Party, in the BBC, and other sort of Labour-affiliated...
	Organisations are going to try and make the claim that, oh, it's just a worldwide trend.
	This is just something that's happening and it's nothing special about the UK. No, that's not true.
	So yes, it is true that Western governments as a whole have been experiencing higher rates.
	But they've not moved quite as sharply and quite as severely as the UK has.
	So, I mean, here's a selection of other countries.
	So, as you can see, it is trending upwards, but there's been nothing like the violence in the move that the UK has had.
	So, what was she doing?
	In fact, let's dig a little bit deeper, actually, into some of these numbers.
	So, this is UK rates.
	I'm just going to put that on a...
	On a five-day.
	So you can see the sharpness of the move there.
	So that was Wednesday.
	Now, the day before, they just sold a whole bunch of guilts, 30-year guilts.
	The Treasury had.
	Yes, the Treasury had.
	So they sold a whole load of guilts.
	And the investors who bought them...
	And bear in mind, the reason you buy bonds is because you want security.
	It's safe.
	Yeah, if you want it to bounce up and down, you buy crypto.
	Or tech stocks or something like I do.
	But the reason you're buying bonds is because you're an insurance company or a bank and you need...
	Or another government.
	Don't governments buy each other's bonds?
	They do.
	Or a pension fund is a big one.
	And it's like somebody's retired, we need to convert the portfolio into bonds so they've got a nice stable stream of revenue.
	The whole point is it's supposed to be stable.
	now since Wednesday of last week people who bought those 30 year gilts that were issued last Tuesday are already down 5% in a week yeah this doesn't look good and I remember about 10 years ago the German state had bonds with a negative interest rate because there was the idea that the economy is so bad and investors would need security so they would buy bonds and they would pay a bit for it but they wouldn't lose
	Yeah, Australia got away a tranche of bonds as well at negative rates.
	Yeah, not so long ago.
	So if you've been working your whole life, let's say you've worked for 50 years and you put away £10,000 a year, so you've got £500,000 in your pension pot and you retired last Tuesday, you've already had two and a half years of your work wiped away.
	So it might not look massive on the chart, but trust me, these things are not supposed to move like this and therefore it is quite bad.
	So what was she doing?
	There we go, there's the 10-year girls.
	What was she doing?
	When all of this was happening, she was in China.
	Yeah.
	And just a sort of life tip for the lads.
	Try and find somebody who looks at you the way that Rachel Reeves looks at Xi Jinping.
	Is that a real picture?
	That's not shopped.
	I'm not sure.
	She's actually standing that close to him.
	I'm not sure, actually.
	Could be.
	Still.
	I just like the image.
	Yeah, so she was in China while all of this was blowing up.
	And she was trying to get a deal.
	From the Chinese.
	And the deal that she came back with was a deal worth £120 million a year.
	Right.
	Now, if you think that's not much, that's because that's not much.
	That's basically the Chinese saying, oh, bugger off.
	Have some chicken food and go away and be quiet.
	Yeah, £120 million a year is absolutely nothing to the Chinese.
	And also, it's not really anything to the British either.
	Because you've got to bear in mind, for every 1% that is added to bond rates, it costs us an extra £30 billion.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	That's if you reprice all the existing debt at that new rate.
	But it ticks over every year.
	But you're looking about 3 billion extra each year.
	So she lost 30 billion to gain 120 million.
	Which is, yes, which is not good.
	To put that in perspective, the 30 billion that we've lost if the debt is repriced at this new higher level is half of what we spend on the fence.
	So it's quite a big number.
	We could have a 50% bigger military.
	I mean, perhaps a military so large that it could actually defend the borders.
	So, yes.
	Not especially good.
	The other thing I'd say is that this is very real.
	This is not just a bit of a thing.
	This is not just people pulling back a little bit from bonds.
	And the reason you can tell that is because the currency is dropping as well.
	Now, I'll explain what that means.
	Normally, if bonds drop and the yields go up on them, that means for new buyers coming in, they can get a higher rate.
	So normally, when bonds drop, lots of other people in the rest of the world think, fantastic, there's an opportunity, I'm going to buy some of those.
	So they buy pounds and the price of the pound goes up?
	They buy pounds and then they buy those bonds with them.
	But now the price of the pound has gone down.
	And that's why you can tell that this is a real situation because not only are the bonds spiking in yield or the bond prices are going down, but they're dumping the currency as well.
	So they want nothing to do with this.
	People are saying like, yeah, the bond market is basically saying, I don't believe you.
	And the FX market?
	Yes.
	As well.
	So that will probably be caused by people just saying, I just want to get out of pound sterling assets.
	So a pound is only a touch more than a euro?
	Yeah, at the moment.
	It's also very much down against the dollar as well.
	I'll just pick that chart.
	But yes, people are basically trying to get out of the UK assets.
	Now, why are the bond markets saying, I don't believe you?
	And running away.
	And why are other investors selling British assets to sort of get out of it?
	It's because we are a complete mess.
	So she did her budget, as you remember, end of last year.
	And in that budget, she basically went after employment.
	So she wanted to raise taxes, but taxes were already so high across the board, she didn't have that many options.
	So what she decided to go after was a tax on employment.
	But she'd already said before the election, in order to win the election, she wasn't going to put taxes on employment up.
	So instead what she did is she put employers' national insurance up.
	So the tax on employees that companies pay.
	Now there is a tax on the employees, but it's paid first by the company.
	So basically what it means is that you don't get your next pay rise.
	Because the cost of employing people has shot up.
	And it also means that companies, especially larger companies, are desperate to get rid of people now.
	So I was reading a whole bunch of numbers that came out from British retailers last week, well, over the last few weeks, and they're all saying in their financial announcements that basically they want to go as heavy into automation as they can.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Yep.
	But it looks like she tries to fill the gap by selling bonds.
	Leftists always say we shouldn't be beholden to the bond markets.
	Why do the bond markets get to boss us around?
	It's because your sums don't add up and you have to borrow billions from them.
	So stop borrowing from the bond markets if you don't want the bond markets telling you what to do.
	Simple as that.
	Lots of companies want to move towards automation, but also we're flooding the labour market with cheap labour as well.
	Foreign people coming in.
	So we're creating a set of conditions where AI and robotics cannot come fast enough and companies are going to leap to those as soon as they get them.
	At the same time, we're bringing in people to put them on welfare.
	Basically, the only jobs that they could actually do anyway are these most basic entry-level jobs.
	I can imagine in her mind, being a commie, essentially, that all you filthy capitalists who are trying to make filthy lucre, you don't deserve any sort of pay rise.
	Right?
	Who don't care if you're poor.
	It's the shop level people who aren't getting the pay rises.
	Well, it's always the poorest people, the peasant class or whatever you want to call it, that suffer the most under socialism.
	Yes.
	That never changes.
	Yeah.
	No, she's made a bit of a...
	And there has been a tremendous flight of investors, hasn't there?
	Yeah.
	Well, that's kind of what this chart is telling you here.
	But that's the chart of last week, whereas what I'm talking about is definitely a trend.
	So this trend has been going on for a while.
	I mean, it's why I don't hold any UK assets, because the UK is just such...
	I was catching up with an old...
	Venture Capital Contact a while ago, and I was asking him about deal flow, how many deals he's been doing in the UK and stuff, and he's like, we don't do any deals in the UK anymore.
	And the reason being is because they always die, and the reason they die is because of government action.
	Yeah, but I think whatever they say about the bond market, this is where they're naturally drawn to because on the one hand, they're statists.
	They want to increase the state and an increased state requires increased funding.
	So they also want to pressure the internal market and the people domestically by raising taxes.
	But you can only raise taxes so far until there's a massive crisis.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	That's why they're going to selling bonds.
	Basically, you can track what percentage of national income goes in taxes, and the UK has up a threshold in the mid-30s, basically a level that it can never get beyond.
	And if you try and increase taxes beyond that point, all that happens is people just stop working, and they work less, and so you never really get over mid-30% of national income going in taxes.
	And we've already reached that level, but she wanted to put up taxes on employment, and what happened, of course, is it killed growth.
	I think The Telegraph had a story out recently about how hiring has plummeted.
	So she killed growth, which meant that the future tax projections, you know, all these extra taxes she put on, well, there's nobody there to tax.
	There can be a silver lining on this because when, you know, leftists constantly talk, talk and talk and talk.
	And they say about how they're going to be great for the economy.
	And Beau, what you said is absolutely correct.
	It's always under socialism that poor people suffer the most.
	And it's good when people see that it's the leftists who are crashing the economy.
	Because afterwards, reality kicks in and they say, okay, it's time for us to get...
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to give any praise to the former Tories government for what they did, but...
	They weren't doing it quite as badly as this, I will say.
	This is where her mind is at at the moment.
	It's been reported in the Times that Rachel Reeves is said to be feeling very depressed as she claims she can't see a way out of the bleak economic conditions.
	One source close to the Treasury said she's got choices to make and she knows that they're all shit.
	Which is...
	Because the Labour government won their biggest...
	Pledges was to grow the economy at all costs.
	Oh, she's done the opposite.
	So we get GDP numbers out next week and it's probably going to show that there's no growth.
	Easier said than done.
	I've always found it odd though that particularly the Chancellor of the Exchequer isn't a tried and tested proven actual economist.
	It says that she is on her CV. Right.
	But we know she's just a glorified...
	She was a complaints manager.
	A complaints manager.
	Who got fired for not turning up.
	Because I can sort of, at an absolute push, you know, buyer that someone who's in charge of education or health or something hasn't necessarily spent their entire career in that field.
	But I feel like one of the, perhaps the one where you really, really do need a true expert in that seat is at the Treasury, at the Exchequer.
	You would probably help, yeah, to have some grasp of this.
	And all she needs to do is watch pro-economics.
	It's like literally that.
	That's all she needs to do and she'd understand this stuff.
	She can spare a fiver per month.
	Yes, yes.
	Why the Treasury in the civil service?
	They will have lots of extremely clever people that know their business.
	She must be just ignoring them.
	So this is the worst case scenario because if you know what you're doing, you could probably be a good Chancellor.
	If you don't know what you're doing and you know that you don't know what you're doing, that's probably also okay because you can just let the civil servants run it.
	But if you don't know what you're doing and you think you know what you're doing, that's the most dangerous situation to possibly be in.
	So John McDonnell just said that, you know, she can't cut spending.
	It'd be political suicide, the former lady.
	John McDonnell?
	Yeah.
	Former Labour, Treasury spokesman.
	He's a true, true Marxist.
	Yes.
	In the Corbyn period, when people said, do you want to do away with capitalism?
	He said, yes.
	Yes.
	Well, he's not alone, though, is he, in the Labour Party.
	But she's going to have a tough time cutting.
	And lots of Labour MPs have sort of behind the scenes said, no, you can't cut any spending.
	You can't possibly do that.
	So how did she react?
	Over the weekend, Sunday is a good day to see because a lot of this blew up mainly at the end of last week.
	And the Sundays are good because the Sunday papers is where they trial their ideas of how they're going to fix the problem.
	So what is her solution to fix the problem?
	It's to put a tax on British hotels.
	So she's noticed that people can't afford to go on holiday anymore overseas.
	So the idea is that we put extra tax...
	On British hotels, so that when people have a holiday in the UK, that gets taxed instead.
	It's just squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, isn't it?
	I mean, this would probably raise quite a lot of money if they applied it to all the immigrant hotels, but of course they won't.
	So that's just going to be, you know, you can't afford to have a holiday abroad anymore, so we're going to tax your holiday in the UK. Thanks.
	Yes.
	Now, I mean, holidays are a luxury for leftists.
	They don't like it.
	I mean, if you have time to spend to your leisure, it's bad.
	You should do it something else.
	To visit the Soviet Union or North Korea or something.
	If you can afford any holiday, you're a kulak and therefore must be...
	The people in the Bank of England and economists generally, they love building models, economic models.
	And that's what I've done.
	I have made an economic model that you two can use to determine what's going to happen next.
	So here is my economic model.
	And I want you two to run the model and from that work out what's going to happen next.
	So we'll need two of you.
	So if you can just...
	What on earth is this?
	You've not done that thing where it's...
	Basically you're going to say something about boomers.
	Do you...
	No.
	You're going to say something about Kanye West and Bianca Sensori.
	Do you not get these in Greece?
	Yeah, but...
	Right.
	Run the model.
	What do you want to say?
	Speak English, man!
	You've just got to run the model and open it up.
	Give it to Beau.
	Beau knows.
	Okay.
	So what?
	US v GDP? Yeah, so...
	Like that?
	Yeah, right.
	Now pick one.
	Three.
	One, two, three.
	Right, now open it up.
	Number two.
	And it will tell you...
	Number two says...
	Oh.
	They're all the same result.
	It all needs the same way.
	They will print money.
	Yes.
	Quantitative easing.
	Whatever happens...
	Yes.
	Whatever happens...
	So that is the actual outcome.
	It's quantitative easing.
	I've put a whole bunch of scenarios...
	Basically, what's going to happen is they're basically going to print money.
	That's how they're going to get around it.
	So the UK is in this situation where inflation is sticky because they printed too much money.
	Growth has been killed because they put up taxes too high.
	And the only way out...
	Well, I mean, there is an obvious way out.
	Stop spending so much.
	But they don't want to do that, so they're just going to have to print more money, which will make the inflation worth, which will kill the growth more and put us into more of a spiral.
	So, yes, not particularly rosy.
	So, how did the markets open on Monday after hearing her brilliant hotel tax idea?
	With volatility, it looks like.
	Well, volatility up and to the right, which is bad.
	As we established earlier.
	So the markets were not convinced that an extra tax on Butlins was going to solve the UK's economic woes.
	Broaden the context here.
	This is a chart I put together myself.
	This basically tracks UK debt levels over time in real terms.
	So as you can see, you go back to, say, the 1970s, debt was about $50 billion.
	By 2008, it climbed quite a bit to 550 billion.
	So it was a 10x, but over, you know, whatever that is.
	Wasn't it around the 2008 times, roughly anyway, where David Cameron was talking about, we need austerity in order to get the national debt down?
	Yeah, so at that 2008 point, that's when they were saying the debt was too high and we need to get this under control, at that 2008 mark.
	If you're listening, that's a very low step compared to the two on the right.
	So then you get to the next milestone, which I decided to use, was by the beginning of COVID. Now, this was my kind of political journey, because up until COVID, I was one of those, because I wasn't podcasting, I think, back then.
	I was just this chap looking at this stuff, thinking they cannot possibly let this run any longer.
	Like before 2020. They have to get this under control.
	Surely at some point they're going to get this under control.
	Nope, double it.
	And then we did COVID and we did the most mental shit ever and printed more money than you can...
	And then we went from 2020 to 2025. That's what we did.
	Just insane.
	So Boris thinks, hmm, let's best...
	Put everyone in the country under a form of house arrest.
	Yeah, shut down the economy.
	Completely shut the economy.
	And in order to not completely implode almost immediately, we'll just print loads of money and go into loads, loads more debt.
	We'll just borrow our way out of an immediate implosion.
	Yes.
	Thanks, Boris.
	Covid was the maddest shit I'd ever seen.
	Completely unprecedented.
	Yes.
	They didn't do that during the Black Death.
	Yeah, and that was the point where I thought, OK, right, time to torpedo my...
	Financial career.
	I'm just going to start speaking out about this because it's mental.
	This cannot possibly go on.
	Website that gives you a breakdown on spending so we can dig into it a bit, but we've waffled.
	Oh, that's a good chart.
	There we go.
	So the budget deficit.
	As soon as you can see the effect that COVID had there.
	It's just crazy.
	And then our response afterwards was just to keep it really high.
	Oh, here we go.
	Deficit since World War II. So, there was a large deficit for World War II, but that's fair enough because we're fighting a world war.
	But now we're just running them because, you know, why the hell not?
	Or somebody's got a flu.
	So, yes, mental stuff.
	I would point out that we are actually paying for Rachel Reeves' financial education.
	So this is from her MP's expense.
	She's got a subscription to The Economist in the Financial Times that we're paying for.
	You notice from that list that she has not got Brokonomics on there.
	If she had, all of this could have been avoided.
	It is only £5 a month, and I'll give you everything that you need in order to not make horrendous mistakes like this.
	It's so annoying.
	It's only a small point now compared to what we've been talking about.
	But when they charge for small things, like they'll take a cab somewhere, like a couple of miles across London, it costs like £12 or something, and they put that on their expenses.
	It annoys me so much.
	Yes, we can't do that.
	Yeah, we can't do that.
	It's so annoying.
	Because they make an OK wage.
	I mean, it's not a giant, giant wage, but it's OK. An average MP makes over £100,000, doesn't it?
	So if you're a Secretary of State, you're going to make a few hundred grand a year, right?
	But you're still charging for a £70 subscription to things.
	Normal MP will be £90-something, and then plus expenses will take them well over £100.
	Somebody like her, Secretary of State, will be, like you say, about £160 with expenses.
	Not that up to £180, something like that.
	Plus all the speaking that they can do afterwards as well.
	Let's listen to, hopefully we're sound this time, Keir Starmer assuring us that Rachel is the right person for the job.
	Can we do that, Samson?
	Rachel Reeves is doing a fantastic job.
	She has my full confidence.
	She has the full confidence of the entire party.
	She was given an incredibly challenging task at the budget because...
	Not only was the economy broken, but we had a £20 billion black hole.
	Right.
	You didn't really, but OK. So full confidence of Keir Starmer.
	Now, why is Keir Starmer so keen to back Rachel Reeves when she clearly is incompetent?
	She's lied on her CV. She doesn't have a clue what she's talking about.
	Well, I mean, there could be several...
	Several contingencies, but I think the most likely scenario is that they want her to get the blame for something they think may be inevitable.
	Yes.
	Also, I don't know if this is what you're going to say, but it is true anyway, that the Chancellor is arguably probably the second most important office after the Prime Minister.
	So if ever, whenever you have to replace your Chancellor, it's a body blow to your government.
	So you want to...
	Stand by them for as long as you possibly can, really.
	Yes.
	That is one reason, but I don't think that's what you're going to say.
	What I'm going to say is, if you're going to replace her, you probably want to replace her with somebody who isn't even worse.
	And these are the rumours circulating.
	Again, leaks from the inside.
	I'm told Starmer would like to sack Reeves, but he can't because he only has Miliband and Cooper to replace her.
	I think this is also one of the reasons why the Democrats selected Kamala Harris.
	Yeah, because they had such rubbish options.
	Or because a lot of the A-listers within democratic circles wouldn't want such a fate.
	Yes.
	Because they didn't have too much time to develop the campaign.
	I would say there is a lesson from Nigel Farage in all of this.
	In that basically what Starmer did is he surrounded himself with nobodies so that he would shine brighter.
	And unfortunately that's what Farage is doing as well.
	He keeps purging good people out.
	And what if he actually gets into government?
	Because he's going to need a Chancellor.
	Okay, Rupert Lowe could do that, but you've got like 100 jobs to fill.
	You can't put Rupert Lowe in every single one of them.
	You're going to need good people.
	Something for Farage to think about.
	It's something our system used to have almost, you might say, hard-baked into it, that it used to draw true experts.
	People that were older, that had already lived a life and had a career and were successful in their careers, whatever it might be, and then they became an MP, and so you were surrounded by a cadre of experts.
	But now that's not what we're doing.
	You look at some of the parliaments after the war.
	You know, just the average MPs.
	It would be common to have, like, a military cross there, and you're somebody who led this here.
	You would have excellent people throughout, so it wasn't a hard time finding a good government.
	But these days, they're all people who bunked off work pretending to go to the dentist so they could do Labour Party business.
	Or become MPs in their 20s or early 30s or whatever.
	After being a researcher.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So, a bit of a mess.
	That's why I don't hold any UK assets.
	Apologies if you live in the UK. Right, let's go to the Rumble chat.
	So, that's a random name.
	Dan explaining how before 2020, he truly was basic based, then had his third eye open and is now proper based.
	Exhaling.
	Okay, it could be worse.
	Right, okay.
	Sigistol17.
	Why does the UK government have a department that sounds like a bar in Moscow?
	Come, comrade, after a long day of stealing copper wire, let us get a drink at Ars Cheska.
	Okay?
	Not just a string, Rachel and labor.
	If I keep squeezing blood out of the stone, maybe it'll come back to life.
	Yeah, basically.
	Come to life.
	Lothar Truther, how many days on the down count until Rachel Reeves of Blasts?
	Or rather than a specific number, is it more likely that she lasts until a Black Swan event triggers a large exit?
	Love from Mulvania?
	Okay, well, the quick answer to that is the problem with the current situation is that it's bad, but it's not quite acute enough to knock over the system tomorrow.
	It's just bad enough to make it cool while it gets worse.
	Right, and that's a random name question for Dan.
	I'm 28 years old and I've been asking for years whether I can get any of my pension money out right now instead of waiting.
	Can't seem to find the answer anywhere.
	No, I don't think you can.
	Your state pension.
	Right.
	If you've got a private pension, there's certain things.
	You can't really get it out of the tax wrapper, but you can do something better.
	I mean, you can move it out of UK assets, for example.
	And the last one before we move on to the next segment.
	Matt G. Hammond.
	Why do governments that print money to cover debt pay interest on their debt since inflation has already covered it?
	Yeah, so basically that's one of their options now, is to stop paying people who have borrowed from the government.
	That is a version of that Yulker control is what they'll probably end up doing.
	Right.
	Okay, so we are going to have a fun, relaxed segment talking about pictures that define the woke era.
	Wokeness is a concept that several people have disagreements about what it means, but I think it's very optical.
	It's very visible.
	You kind of see woke people from a mile away.
	It's all just a focus on appearance.
	So we are going to have a very fun segment watching just some fun pictures of wokeness.
	And I think that no one disagrees with this.
	No one disagrees with segments of this sort.
	Who shot that?
	I want to shake their hand.
	We did a meme yesterday.
	That was Samson.
	Yes.
	Cheers.
	Cheers, Samson, for this.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We have Josh here with his anti-slop jihad.
	But, you know, he...
	I mean, is he working at the right place if he doesn't like...
	I mean...
	Yeah.
	It comes up.
	A leader has to make tough decisions.
	Yes.
	No one disagrees with this.
	Right, so there's a lot of debate as to whether wokeness is going to be eradicated or not.
	Personally, I don't think it will, but I hear several voices saying that it is going to go away.
	Dan, I'm sure you know some of these people who argue for this point.
	Maybe you could tell us stuff, but I think we should definitely focus on some of those pictures, because they're really...
	Really interesting.
	So we have here by Oilfield Rando a post where he says, trying to collect all the photos that best define the grotesque lunacy of the woke era.
	Feel free to post the ones I'm missing in the replies.
	And he has four here.
	What's the first one?
	Is that a scene from India or something?
	Sustainable Development Goals.
	Oh, it's the 2030 stuff.
	The 2030 agenda.
	Yeah, that's sustainable.
	We have here...
	Lots of...
	Is that the pedo flag?
	That looks like debris.
	And we have the...
	Yeah, the first one's from Afghanistan.
	And here we have the...
	I remember that one.
	Yeah, that's really funny.
	This is going to be a tough segment for people listening, but this image is that...
	A large mass black woman who gave that lecture on how all white people are racist and stood up in front of them and basically screamed at them for an hour and then told them to PayPal her.
	But if you abstract a bit, she kind of looks like Peppa.
	Peppa the frog.
	Yes.
	Here are the eyes of Peppa.
	The mouth.
	I was just going with the face, but actually, yeah, you're on multiple levels.
	Yes, and she has here the oppression calculus, where she's saying all white people are racist, and on the other hand, the good chart says, she says, diversity, intersectionality, minorities, equality, equity, people of colour, safe space, white privilege, capitalism, racism.
	So as we go through this, with all these examples of woke weirdos, I just wonder how future historians...
	Are going to get their head round this.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Because they're going to be looking at future Islamic or Chinese scholars, whatever the next civilisation is.
	They're going to be looking at this stuff, trying to figure out what...
	And for me, it's a bit like, you know, with Rome?
	Yeah.
	They had all their weird shit and their orgies and all that kind of stuff.
	Yeah.
	And then I'm looking back, and I don't quite know how to delineate it.
	It all gets a bit modelled up.
	I mean, I don't think that Romulus and Cato and Marcus Aurelius were going to orgies.
	But...
	That we know of.
	Yeah, it all gets a bit muddled up, doesn't it?
	Whereas with this, I mean, presumably future historians are going to be thinking, like, what the hell were people in Western civilization all about?
	Definitely reminds me of, you know, decadence of the Roman stuff.
	And I think, Beau, was it Nero who had a boy slave called Sporus who wanted to make him a woman?
	Sporus, yeah.
	That was a nickname as well.
	Yeah.
	Sporus is a sort of spunk, basically.
	That was his nickname.
	Yeah, and he married him.
	Yeah, Nero, yeah.
	I thought he married his horse.
	No, no.
	Or did he get divorced?
	Caligula made his horse, or threatened to make his horse a senator.
	Oh, I see.
	Right.
	But no, Nero married, in inverted commas, Sporus.
	Right.
	And then tried to make him a woman.
	Right.
	So he was ahead of his time, basically.
	He predicted what...
	He is the grandfather of wokeness, isn't it?
	Well, there are other examples of sort of insanely decadent...
	Or like Elabagilus is the example, par excellence, isn't it, of a completely insanely decadent ruler.
	But if you go into the Byzantine period, I was reading the other day just about the decline of the kingdoms of the successors of Alexander.
	Yeah.
	The later Ptolemies became just sort of...
	Really obese and sexually depraved.
	A bit like that last image then.
	I mean, they had nothing to live for.
	Seems like as civilisations in decline kind of all do the same stuff.
	Yeah, there certainly is a cyclical element to it often.
	We have here woke AI. Is that an African-American version of George Washington?
	Supposedly, yeah.
	What a craze that was.
	Remember, we had AI programs saying, deliberately, it was programmed into them that they aren't going to show anyone as a white person.
	Yeah.
	There's so much of this stuff.
	Who's responsible for that programming, exactly?
	Yeah, I don't think we should play this.
	I don't know what it is, but I don't...
	Yeah, okay.
	Everyone says no.
	Everyone says no here.
	Right.
	We have here the discrepancy between expectation and reality.
	We have a really beautiful post here.
	Democrats expect us to believe they can clean up the earth and environment.
	They can't even clean up their own district and streets.
	I think that's from California.
	I remember that California, we covered it, they had an app.
	Where you could report human feces on the street and basically the map was unusable because it just had...
	Pooh emojis across the entire California.
	I think that was for San Francisco.
	San Francisco, yeah.
	The thing is, they can clean it up if they want to.
	Do you remember at some point during the Biden...
	Yeah, during the Biden administration, there was a Chinese visit.
	It was Xi Jinping.
	And they cleaned up the streets for a few days while he was there.
	Yeah.
	And then let it go back to pot again.
	So they can if they want to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but they don't want to.
	That's the essence of the DEI thing, because it's about getting the job.
	It's not about doing the job.
	And breaking the will of those that would push back against all of this.
	Exactly.
	So this exactly encapsulates wokeness, because the job isn't done, and we just hear constant promises, and everyone who says that this is reality is being denounced as a far-right basis.
	The other one would be the LA fires, of course.
	All the money they spend on fire prevention, and they had a big fire in whatever it was, 2012 or something, and it seems they've just been having meetings on diversity ever since then.
	The complete denial of it.
	I remember having a little bit of an argument with someone on Twitter about how Whitechapel was a complete mess.
	Looks like that.
	And they'll just say, no, it isn't.
	And you'd post pictures of it.
	And they say, no.
	It's like, you've just posted a picture of it.
	They say, that's a market.
	That's what all markets look like.
	No, but they don't know.
	And that wasn't a market day or whatever it is.
	It's just complete denial.
	Just it isn't happening.
	The market in Petersfield does not look like that.
	Just...
	Just look at this, the account of the BMW with a pride flag under the background.
	Are they still doing this?
	Also Mercedes-Benz.
	They did it at once.
	I think now lots of businesses are rolling back their DI initiatives, but I think it's going to kick back with a vengeance.
	Do you think...
	Okay, people are saying that Woke is going away.
	Hang on the logo thing.
	People say Woke is going away, but basically Woke got corporate sponsorship for a period of about 15 years.
	Is it possible that in the future our thing makes more and more progress and all of these big companies are going to have to have a department of based?
	They're going to hire us as brand representatives and we're going to have to redo their logo with a little Pepe or something.
	Is it possible?
	Adam Johnston, friend of the show, shows us here a picture from the LA on fire.
	Again, the discrepancy between expectation and reality.
	Everyone who was saying this is going to happen was being demonized by people who are taking the knee here.
	I remember this one.
	I remember this one.
	Because somebody who actually knows about the African colors and stuff, the garb, was saying, yeah, that tribe is like...
	One of the big famous slaving tribes.
	That is an iconic image, isn't it?
	Do you remember Nancy couldn't get up off her knee?
	She had to be helped back onto her feet.
	And how did they do that?
	By holding a chin just out of arm's length.
	That's a trolling thing.
	We can say that for people who listen, can't we?
	I don't know, maybe it's...
	Whores for Palestine.
	With the anarchy for the A as well.
	Yeah, that's more like Islamo-feminist trope.
	That's one of the weirdest movements and I think that this is actually signalling why a lot of it is going to go back in its current form.
	Right here, Colbert has lots of submission-worthy cringe moments.
	Well, that's...
	The VAC science stuff.
	The VAC stuff.
	Yeah, don't get me started on the VAC stuff.
	Yeah.
	We have here military personnel with pronouns.
	Actually, I can't say.
	I'm not allowed to say.
	Yeah, yeah, let's...
	Right, so the thread, I expected it to be a bit better.
	That's why I have that backup.
	But here, let's look at this.
	NFL with pride.
	Yeah.
	That doesn't look...
	It's funny because football, or American football, as we call it, it is sort of hyper-masculine.
	Supposed to be.
	When you watch compilations of the hardest hits from the NFL, it's like it's the least gay thing in the world, right?
	Yeah.
	But I suppose that's why they go for it.
	It's why they go for football, what we call football, what Americans call soccer.
	There's another reason why there's always a hard push to kick racism out of football or whatever.
	I don't know, maybe...
	This is a good example, right?
	Sorry, but Bo, I interrupted.
	Sorry.
	Maybe there are several connotations and, you know, men wanting some bodily friction with other men.
	I suppose there is also that homoerotic thing where American football players slap on each other's butt after a great play.
	But no, no, but in all honesty, you need to be...
	Quite a hard individual.
	In America, it's like, oh, he played football.
	He's a shorthand for, don't mess with him.
	He'll smash you up with ease.
	Yeah, so we need to make that as gay as possible, as quickly as possible.
	Well, as gay as possible brings us nicely onto this image.
	Because I do think that the left basically are just dysgenic mutants.
	We have an individual with, is that pink here or red here?
	And pink glasses and several earrings, dressed in a very effeminate way, with a placard saying, refugees welcome here.
	And the obvious question is, refugees from where, from which countries, and how would they treat him in return?
	Just to harp on my point about them being just genic mutant freaks, can you imagine how long that guy would last if it was the 6th century?
	Last in what sense?
	Stay alive.
	If it was the 6th centuries and the Danes were coming over on their longship and he was the one who met them at the shore.
	We used to have a mechanism for keeping the human race not that.
	But that mechanism has gone away now.
	If Tacitus is to be believed, the punishment for being that is to be drowned.
	Fair enough.
	And here I think we have one of the worst images that show the woke craze.
	We have someone dressed like a demon in a drag queen story hour.
	How do you get someone dressed in a more evil way?
	Imposing a more evil way?
	Narrating stories to young children.
	And you have really naive, let's put it in the most...
	Subtle way.
	Parents who take their kids to these events.
	I wouldn't take my kids.
	They're obviously pedos, because it's not like they're trying to go into the old folks' homes and spend time with the old folks.
	No, they specifically want to spend time with little kids.
	The perversity of it is so obvious.
	Here we have the, you know, I think this is one of the undisputed...
	Best ones here.
	We have the activist who is screeching when Trump is inaugurated in 2017. The iconic image.
	Yeah, this is just...
	I can't deal with reality.
	I lost the elections.
	I can't deal with it.
	That was 2017, was it?
	So that is...
	That's what?
	Eight years ago.
	So what I've spent that entire time wondering, is that male or female?
	I don't know.
	Dan, it's 2025. I don't think we can know these things.
	Because I'm not sure, to be honest.
	Yeah, so another thing that happened this weird time, we have another movement called Fatties for Free Palestine.
	They call themselves this way.
	The above image didn't turn into that, did it?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I hope it didn't.
	Right, okay, that would be...
	Yes, so we have the fatties for free Palestine and also fatties against fascism.
	It's just pure weakness, isn't it?
	Weakness in terms of your own self-control, your own ability to stop stuffing your face.
	And then intellectual or ideological weakness.
	Yeah.
	Weakness all the way down.
	Yes.
	And you will get diabetes and you will die.
	Yeah, these people will pay the ultimate price for it.
	Will you or is this a body positivity denial stance of you?
	Dan, you should check.
	Their body positively going to get diabetes and die.
	The human heart isn't supposed to deal with that sort of strain.
	It just isn't.
	We have here other pictures of fatties against fascism.
	For some reason, I made a mistake and I wrote fatties for fascism.
	But all of them are...
	Freudian slip there.
	Again, you know, you're going to get disciplined.
	It's anything other than stop eating, isn't it?
	Yeah, anything other than that.
	Do or say anything.
	Rather than actually introduce some moderation.
	Quite a lot if you just cut out processed sugar.
	I don't know how really fat people do it.
	I don't know how there's time in the day.
	Even that, I don't...
	It's those sugary sodas.
	Mine is zero calories.
	It's sugary sodas.
	It's lots of carbs.
	It's lots of processed sugar.
	Samson, could we type quiz for Palestine?
	Because I can't believe how I missed it.
	I've also done a segment about it.
	yeah quiz for Palestine Let's go to media.
	This is very brave of you, doing an untested media show.
	Yeah, it's not like exactly we're visiting the profile of Evo Kaplan, the Labour MP, which, by the way, don't do this.
	Yeah, we have here several...
	Interesting stuff.
	I mean, Queers for Palestine is one of the most, I would say, brain-dead movements.
	Because you have people who support a country, let's say, or a geographic region.
	I'm not getting into the stuff that happens into that territory.
	Just don't go saying, oh, Stellaris, you use this word or that.
	They get the roof treatment there.
	Why on earth would they argue for it?
	It is like turkeys for Christmas.
	I feel like it's beyond the point where it's a contradiction or it obviously doesn't make sense.
	But that's almost, I don't know if these individuals are even aware, but it's almost like that's deliberately part of it.
	Like in 1984, like the dictates of Big Brother, they're not trying to pretend that it makes sense.
	They're not trying to pretend that you don't remember that we were at war with Eurasia yesterday.
	It's just you accept the line, the party line, regardless of the insanity and the wrong-headedness of it.
	If anything, it's a shit test.
	If anything, it's to test whether you will accept the nonsense and the insanity.
	That's what something like Queers for Palestine is for me.
	I think Machiavelli and The Prince has a really good answer that explains why they're doing it.
	And I think at the end of the day, the answer is they are much more focused on...
	The kind of oppression they think they deal with on a daily basis rather than a theoretical oppression far away.
	Machiavelli says at some point people focus much more on the person that gives them trouble on a daily basis rather than a boss above them.
	That's why in a lot of businesses you have middle managers.
	They get all the heat and people on top positions, everyone has a jolly relationship.
	Almost everyone.
	More people have a jolly relationship.
	But I really come back to my point that these people are just dysgenic freaks.
	And for millennia, the human race had a way of getting rid of these people so they didn't infect the gene pool.
	But when you look at these people, right?
	It looks like their faces were made of wax and they've been held too close to the fire.
	They've all got melted faces.
	You can tell a leftist just by looking at them 90% of the time.
	They're dysgenic freaks who should have been out of the gene pool by now.
	The point is, if you're going to run a biological argument, it leads to the position that if they were like that, it's...
	You can't see how much they would procreate.
	But the real problem is that the left goes after schools because a lot of leftists are openly antinatalists.
	That's why they go after school to contaminate people.
	So you have a lot of people who don't seem biologically unfit, let's say, that fall into wokeness.
	They need to recruit new kids because they're sterilizing themselves and having abortions.
	Right.
	Now, I want to show you some stuff from something that happened this summer that is really funny in a way, but also indicative that the pendulum is actively swinging, but not because of something that the right-wing is doing, not because of any kind of right-wing onslaught against woke, but because of the internal contradictions of the woke camp.
	Right here we have the Pride's Lady Liberty.
	You see her here in a...
	Bikini with a pride thing.
	She also had an engraving.
	Give me your tired, your poor, your huddle asses yearning to breathe free.
	Yeah.
	It is perverse though, isn't it?
	That is the nature of it.
	And I use that word very deliberately.
	It's the inverse of what's true and right and good.
	Unreasonable.
	Exactly.
	We did this segment with Carl and Connor this July, late June, I think, six months ago, Pride Gone Fuba, and we spoke about the inner clash between the pro-Palestine people and the more LGBTQ plus people, and how they basically clashed at each other in New York, and how Trudeau...
	They cancelled some of the remaining events of the Pride Parade in order to not communicate the image that we can get along.
	Because essentially what goes on is that the left has tried to present itself as the protector of a lot of groups that are incredibly inconsistent and incompatible with each other.
	And every time that these incompatibilities become visible, they are blaming the far right.
	They're blaming the people and their opponents.
	But what happened there was essentially that they come across their incompatible ways to view the world because fundamentally, I think on a temperamental level, a lot of people on the LGBTQ thing, at least the LGBT, some of them, they want to have fun.
	In whatever way, whatever we may think of how they are having fun.
	Yeah, it's not my idea of fun.
	But they want to have fun.
	And on the other hand, it's a lot of leftists who are incredibly miserable.
	And they say, you aren't allowed to have fun.
	You constantly have to find a place on earth that is something terrible is going to happen.
	Focus on that.
	And you're a bad person.
	So all of these contradictions are going...
	To be visible.
	And the main reason why the left is taking the LGBTQ angle behind of the woke is because they're approaching now the pro-Palestine crowd more, the Islamist crowd more, and the Islamist crowd isn't happy with this.
	It's interesting, is it?
	How do you say it?
	It's not the right term, but like the stack of victimhood.
	When push comes to shove, at least in that example, Trudeau went with the Islamists over the homosexuals.
	They always seem to win, don't they?
	Well, I remember one time, I can't remember if it was Batley, there was some school, wasn't there, I think it might have even been in Jess Phillips' constituency, where there was Islamists complaining that gay things were being taught in their schools and they kept protesting outside this one particular school.
	Do you remember that a year or two ago?
	And I think...
	It might even have been Jess Phillips, I can't remember, but I think whoever it was in the Labour Party actually sided with the school, i.e.
	the pro-gay lobby, at least for a while.
	But usually it's the other way around.
	Usually it's exactly, they'll just capitulate to the pro-Palestine types.
	The whole victimhood hierarchy thing.
	And just throw the pride people under the bus, yeah.
	Or if it comes to feminism versus black supremacy or something, they'll just throw the feminism under the bus.
	Or whatever it is.
	I wonder if and when it comes to a showdown between Islamism and black supremacy, what the white liberal guilt brigade...
	I think it has to go with Islam.
	I don't know.
	I suppose it has to, yeah.
	Because they're terrified of any sort of retribution.
	And the retribution will be more forthcoming, I would have thought, from them.
	So, I mean...
	Samson, could we type gender-neutral prayer room?
	Because that's also very relevant.
	That was from the Democratic National Convention of 2024. Yes, gender-neutral prayer room.
	That was just madness.
	Yep.
	Y-E-R. Yeah, that's amazing.
	This shows a lot of, you know, what you want to, let's see that there's no issue with sound.
	They had gender neutral prayer room.
	I don't know, I just think that in the other, in that religion, men and women don't pray together.
	Oh yeah, no, it's very explicit.
	Yeah, so what are they doing there?
	Hang on.
	This is because the mosques, you get divided into halves, don't you?
	One for men and one for women.
	So if you're neither man nor woman, you need a special little room.
	Yes.
	I see.
	OK, got it.
	If you ask the actual thought leaders or religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, in Mecca, what they think about a gender-neutral prayer room, I think they've probably got some quite specific ideas about that.
	So we come down to the question of whether the woke will be eradicated or not.
	I think, ultimately, it doesn't rest upon the right wing, my personal opinion.
	Trump may try to do some things.
	A lot of businesses are rolling back their DEI programs.
	But there are several things to bear in mind that wokeness is an incredibly powerful tool for contemporary...
	Mass politics, because it's one of the best ways of artificially carving out the population.
	Creating groups where there aren't and trying to appeal to them, try to tell them they're victimized, try to pose as the liberators.
	And I think that this is cut out for mass politics.
	It's a bit more complex than that, but I also want to remember people something that is incredibly terrifying.
	We constantly talk about how wokeness has been eradicated or not, and I don't think it will.
	Let's just bear in mind that Trump had one of the most iconic campaigns in history.
	I think some of the images are incredibly iconic, especially when he survived the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania.
	And Kamala Harris had literally the worst campaign, one of the worst campaign.
	And she didn't lose by a landslide.
	And also the votes and popular votes is just 2.3 million votes.
	So just imagine...
	What kind of world we would be living in if she had a better campaign manager?
	Imagine if they let 10 million people in over the southern border over the last few years and then those people find their way onto the electoral register.
	Yes, that's why I think that it isn't going to go away.
	We're going to cede back with a vengeance.
	I don't want Woke to go anywhere.
	I want the next election to be AOC versus J.D. Vance or whatever.
	But the main question is whether they are going to be stepped aside by the pro-Islamist crowd.
	That's another...
	That's actually a really good point you make because everyone was talking about how the full-spectrum dominance of Trump, which is obviously true to some degree, winning the presidency, the Congress and the Senate and all that sort of thing and the popular vote and all that sort of thing.
	But as you say...
	It wasn't really a true landslide, was it?
	I mean, only two and a bit, three odd million votes.
	I wouldn't call that a landslide.
	It's a good victory, a nice solid victory.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But still, 75 million people voted for Kamala.
	I mean, if you say it's lucky Kamala didn't have a good campaign manager, what if it was the other way around?
	What if it wasn't Trump and the Republicans put up somebody like a Bob Dole-type figure that no one liked or could get enthusiastic about and she nipped it?
	That could have happened.
	We could be on that timeline quite easily.
	That's why I think vigilance is required and voices that say that wokeness is dead are premature.
	Right, let's go to the comments here.
	That's a random name.
	Dan's comment about leftoids being unfit for spreading their genes is gigabased.
	Sigil Stone says, I'm disappointed.
	The wokeness collage didn't include Anita Sarkeesian's everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out.
	I mean, literally, there is endless material.
	To pull out.
	Obviously, most of what is iconic we haven't included in the segment.
	Ryan Hinnigan, quiz for Palestine are based.
	Let me check this before I say this.
	Yeah, Muslims believe they're losing and that they are being ignored because they're being...
	Anyway, I won't risk it.
	Bollie Saka, one of the most iconic images of the woke era, is of the BLM crowd surrounding Dinah Lauren Victor at a restaurant and trying to force her to raise her fist in solidarity, Cultural Revolution vibes.
	Beard, BRO, content suggestion for Dan, the film The Big Short and the book The Bitcoin Standard.
	Right.
	Let's...
	I think we should go to do the third segment and then maybe go back to them.
	Just quickly before we start.
	Dan, can you do a...
	A bit of content about The Big Short.
	I did one on Margin Call, which I think is a better film, but I might do The Big Short as well.
	Before we start, Samson, would we have two, three more, a few extra minutes?
	Yeah?
	Excellent.
	Okay, we have time.
	All right.
	Well, I think we need to talk a little bit about Saturn.
	Can we talk a little bit about Saturn, guys?
	Yeah, I like Saturn.
	I like Saturn.
	I like space stuff.
	Okay, cool.
	Well, today is the 20th anniversary.
	Since the Huygens lander landed on Titan, which is a moon of Saturn.
	It's 20 years ago to today.
	So I thought we could spend a moment or two just remembering that.
	And they've got another one coming up in a few years as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because I think it is, I consider it, among the most remarkable achievements, engineering achievements, mankind has ever done.
	I think it's one of, if not the most remarkable NASA mission there ever was.
	I find it more remarkable in all sorts of ways than the Apollo program.
	Well, this one actually happened.
	So that is a big plus straight away.
	You believe in this one?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Because I remember it happening at the time.
	I was already in my early 20s, mid-20s at the time.
	And I was just sort of blown away by it.
	And seeing as it was 20 years ago today.
	And, you know, I'm on a one-man mission here at Lotus Eaters to rescue us from full slop status.
	So with my history and space-themed content.
	Hopefully I'll draw us back from the very brink of...
	And Titan is a really interesting place as well, because we get sucked into talking about planets, really if we talk about worlds, because moons are just as viable.
	And after Earth, Titan is easily the most interesting world in our solar system.
	Titan is unique in all sorts of ways.
	For a start, it's massive.
	It's a giant moon.
	It's bigger than...
	Mercury, for example.
	It's the only other place other than the Earth in the solar system with a permanent, thick atmosphere.
	There are other places with tiny, tiny, gossamer-thin atmospheres, but Titan's atmosphere is even thicker than Earth's atmosphere.
	It's about five times the thickness of Earth's atmosphere.
	It's completely covered in an atmosphere.
	One of the reasons why it was so mysterious is because a lot of the moons, like our moon, we can just see the surface of it.
	But you can't see the surface of Titan, so it was always a complete mystery to us.
	So, NASA sent up the Cassini-Huygens mission.
	So, Cassini was the overall probe, and it had a lander on it called Huygens.
	These are named after 18th century astronomers, mathematicians, polymaths, whatever you want to call them, Giovanni Cassini and Christian Huygens, who both studied Saturn.
	I mean, I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was Huygens that discovered Titan.
	So the Huygens lander is aptly named.
	So, okay, can we play?
	Oh, I can play it.
	Play the first little thing if we have the audio off.
	We'll just let this play while we're talking.
	Yeah, again, heads up to people.
	This segment is going to be a lot better if you're actually watching it rather than listening to it because I've got all sorts of images and things.
	So Saturn is probably my favourite planet.
	I'm absolutely fascinated by, well, all of it, but I'm fascinated by the Sun, by Mars, and by Saturn and the Saturnian system, and for obviously all sorts of different reasons.
	But Saturn, a lot of people say, a lot of people like Saturn.
	It's like considered the jewel of, that's Enceladus, the jewel of the solar system.
	If Jupiter is sort of the king, Saturn is in all sorts of ways the jewel, because it's very, very beautiful in all sorts of ways.
	Least of all, its ring system.
	But it's got many, many moons, as Jupiter has.
	I mean, so many that we just keep adding to the number of them all the time.
	Depends what you really classify as a moon, even.
	Some say...
	Saturn's got as many as 80 moons plus.
	Others say it's more like 140-odd.
	The reality is...
	A few big ones, though.
	Really no doubt.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Eight or so very big ones.
	Again, it depends how you measure it, how you count it, what ones you count as big ones.
	That's Enceladus as well.
	So I thought we could just take a look at it.
	I think that was the orbit of when...
	Cassini, finally, because it orbited Saturn for, like, 13-odd years, and at the very end of those 13 years, plunged into Saturn itself.
	So, there you go, these are all real images as well.
	The thing about that probe is, while they're going round and around, you can probably see from the graphic before, they basically went through the ring.
	Between Saturn and the rings, eventually, yeah.
	A number of times they just went through the ring.
	And you'd think that that would be impossible because it looks like a solid disc.
	But actually, up close, there's massive distances between anything actually in that ring.
	And the probability of hitting anything as you go through is virtually non-existent.
	I don't think it actually went through any of the rings because it would be travelling too fast.
	Even sort of a micro-collision would be enough to...
	Oh, but those rings were a lot less dense than you think.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm always blown away by the images, especially the very good ones by Hubble or even JWST or the images that Cassini sent back.
	Just absolutely fascinated by it.
	So let's go to the next link.
	I'll let Samson do this.
	Can you go to the next link?
	Just some pictures of Saturn.
	And now the ring system is temporary.
	It may be there for hundreds of thousands of years or even a million year or two, something like that, but we're actually lucky to be alive at the time when Saturn has rings, at least rings as pronounced as that.
	The two big features of the solar system, one is the eye on Jupiter, that's temporary, that will probably be gone in 50 to 70 years.
	It's just a storm.
	And the rings as well, that will just collapse down into a series of moons.
	Eventually.
	Although Uranus has a bit of a ring.
	Yeah, Jupiter's got a ring.
	Yeah, but the Uranus one keeps on solidifying and then breaking up again.
	You're smirking Uranus.
	Just the word ring, it's just funny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, yeah, so, I mean, those, if you go to the next link, or next few links, just images, I mean, what an incredible thing.
	So, at the North Pole there, that hexagon-shaped sort of permanent storm.
	When we first got decent images of it, people thought that was sort of, you know, crazy types think it's some sort of portal to another world or whatever.
	But it turns out that it is just a matter of physics.
	If you have a round container and the viscosity of the thing, the thickness of the medium is particularly right and you spin the centre...
	At a particular speed, and the outside of it isn't spinning anywhere near as fast, then you will end up with that hexagon-shaped thing.
	They've done that in the lab.
	So it's not sort of crazy or unexplainable.
	That is just physics.
	There you go.
	That's the auroras.
	You do have aurora on Saturn.
	So that's sort of the solar wind skipping off the top of Saturn there.
	And the bottom.
	That's it in the infrared.
	That's where the spaceship opens up.
	Is that the Pride version of Saturn?
	Saturn in June.
	It's beautiful really, isn't it?
	That's the James Webb image.
	Now, the winds are particularly fast.
	not as fast as Neptune, but the winds, it looks like, you know, sort of it's a gas giant and you think it looks quite sedate, but actually the winds there are sort of 1500, 1800, 1900 miles per hour, is it kilometers an hour?
	Winds whipping through Saturn.
	I mean, that also has sometimes giant storms like on Jupiter.
	That sounds worse than Poseidon, than Neptune, I think.
	I read somewhere there that we had 400 km per hour winds and that it's one of the worst in the solar system.
	It's much worse than Earth.
	Okay.
	Neptune is the worst.
	Neptune is sort of a true hellscape.
	The winds on Neptune are ridiculous.
	Saturn's not quite as bad.
	Saturn could be a future superpower of the solar system, because Jupiter's got a lot of moons around it, but it's just a shed ton of radiation, which doesn't make it fun.
	Whereas Saturn is actually quite stable, so you could set up in the moons around it like Titan.
	But also, the upper atmosphere of Saturn is really rich in helium-free.
	Which you want for nuclear fusion.
	So it's a very viable place.
	In fact, I say more when we come onto Titan, but you've got loads of hydrocarbons and other stuff that you need for colony building as well.
	It says about 500 miles per hour near its equator.
	Its winds in Saturn.
	That's fast.
	That's a fast wind.
	I thought it was much faster than that.
	I thought it was two or three times faster than that.
	Just provisional.
	Maybe.
	They say 1,100 meters per second.
	Maybe that...
	So either way, if there were a surface, if you stood on it, it would be hellacious compared to Earth conditions.
	But yeah, so there's rings.
	You can see the sort of shadows in it.
	The ring system is sort of almost impossibly delicate and intricate, isn't it?
	And you have various moons sort of within it.
	Some of the swept-out areas are because moons, or even shepherd moons, they sometimes call them, are sort of inside the ring system.
	Do you know how many Earths...
	You can see sort of one of the moons there, sort of sweeping out...
	Sorry, go ahead.
	How many Earths would fit there?
	I think isn't...
	We're really tiny in comparison to Saturn.
	I know the Earth would fit easily inside that hexagon-shaped storm on the North Pole, easily.
	Oh, you get several in there?
	Yeah.
	Although, interesting, so Earth is the densest planet in the solar system, and Saturn is the least dense planet in the solar system.
	Down to the point where if you had a bath big enough, Saturn would actually float in it.
	It's very undense.
	But the reason that's interesting is if you were, and this would be a long way in the future, if you were to build a shell around the outside of Saturn, even though it is heavier than Earth, because it's greater volume, on the outside of that shell you'd have the same gravity as you have on Earth.
	That's very interesting.
	So in the far future we could build a shell around it and have a massive Earth with normal gravity.
	Yeah, we'd be good.
	Just pause on that one for a moment.
	The thing that blows my mind is that, I mean, these are real images.
	These aren't sort of artists' impressions.
	And I know it's really obvious to say it, but when you sort of ponder for a moment or dwell or muse on the fact that that's really there, like now, as we speak, that's there now, and that's real, it's sort of easy to forget.
	It's sort of abstract.
	You think, oh, yeah, that's just something that is...
	So distant and so remote that it may as well be a fiction, but it's really there.
	I don't know.
	I think men have always been fascinated by the rings of Saturn.
	Wisdom begins in wonder.
	Who said that?
	I think Aristotle.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	That's a good one.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, so the moons, if we move on to sort of the moons.
	Well, there's a close-up of it.
	You can see...
	Oh, there you can see a shepherd moon.
	I don't know whether it's...
	There's one called Prometheus, there's one called Pan.
	Well, there's a few dozen of them.
	But you can see it sort of causes a ripple.
	Can you go back to that image, actually, Samson?
	You can see that it sort of...
	Not only has sort of swept out a clean bit in the ring, where it's gone round and round billions of times, but it's also its gravitational effect on the ring itself, right near it, sort of causing a type of ripple.
	As it goes along.
	So, yeah, we've already said that the rings of Saturn will eventually be gone or disappear.
	But they're also a dynamic thing.
	They're not sort of static at all.
	And, in fact, they affect those smaller moons.
	And, of course, those moons affect the rings themselves.
	There you go.
	There's so much to say.
	God, I've only got a few minutes left.
	Go to the next one.
	Does they play that at a particular point?
	I think I asked that one to be teed up at a particular point.
	We ought to cover Titan as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We'll get to Huygens itself.
	Well, anyway, there was a clip.
	I love Astrum.
	This is one of my favourite space channels, Astrum.
	There was a bit in that where it showed a little bit of footage of one of the Shepard moons.
	Orbit is slightly elliptical, coming closer and further away slightly from one of the rings and showing the sort of ripple effect it has on the ring.
	But anyway, if anyone's interested, you can go and sort of find that for yourself.
	Okay, so Enceladus.
	Enceladus is absolutely fascinating to me.
	Along with Europa, it might be one of the places in the solar system where there's, well, not might be, there is a subsurface water.
	There might be aliens in that ocean, possibly.
	In fact, I think a lot of scientists suspect that Anceladus is going to be more likely a better place to find life than even Europa.
	But Anceladus is so much further away, so much more remote.
	Well, actually, there could well be life on Titan as well.
	It could be microbial, maybe.
	Yeah, they've got these lakes of methane.
	I was leaving time to the end.
	So here are some of the...
	Well, that's Prometheus as well.
	A pan.
	Earlier there was one called pan where it's a very, very odd shape where it's going through the ring system and sort of getting all around its equator effectively like a giant build-up.
	But OK, go to the next link entirely if you would.
	So there it is.
	There's Cassini and Huygens there.
	So it gives you an idea of the scale.
	There it is again.
	Just quite a remarkable thing.
	I mean, people give NASA a bunch of crap, but they've done a few things that have been absolutely remarkable, in my opinion.
	Yeah, is that Pan again?
	Anyway, some extremely odd-shaped bodies in the Saturnian system.
	Keep going forward.
	What's that one called?
	I can't remember what that one's called, but that is obviously...
	It looks like some sort of pumice stone, doesn't it?
	It looks like a sponge.
	Yeah.
	Or maybe not.
	Oh, Hyperion.
	That one's called Hyperion.
	That's Rhea.
	Obviously heavily cratered.
	That's Ancelis.
	The thing about Ancelis I was starting to talk about was the idea that underneath the crust is an ocean of water.
	And we know that because there's sort of outpluming sort of, not cryovocanus, but just we can see that it blasts out giant plumes.
	And I think Cassini even passed through those plumes and was able to, quote unquote, taste them.
	To tell that it is in fact water.
	So if and when we get to Europa and find out that the ocean is completely dead, not all is lost.
	We've still got Enceladus.
	There you go.
	There's an incredible image of the water spouts, mainly around the South Pole of Enceladus.
	I mean, again, that's a real image.
	That's real.
	That's happening now.
	It's out there now.
	Blows my mind.
	And that's sort of an idea that it might be hydrothermal vents.
	Exactly like on Europa.
	OK, that's Iapetus.
	Iapetus, arguably one of the strangest objects in the whole solar system, Iapetus.
	Look how the colour difference between...
	Well, in the 2001 A Space Odyssey, in the film, they make it that they're going to Jupiter.
	But in the book, the original Arthur C. Clarke book, they go to Saturn.
	And the big monolith thing is on Iapetus.
	For some reason, well, there are reasons, but they decided for the film they'll just make it about Jupiter instead.
	And you can see around its equator that ridge, that strange sort of enigmatic ridge.
	There's a few different ideas of why that is, why it looks like that, but we don't know completely there's a better view of it, really.
	And it is massive.
	I think that's like 10, 12 miles higher, that mountain range, that ridge, running sort of perfectly nearly all the way around the equator.
	There you go.
	What an odd thing.
	Those are mountains that are bigger than Everest.
	Because on smaller worlds, you can have bigger mountains, can't you?
	Well, less gravity, so there's not so much force pulling it down.
	Exactly.
	You can only have a finite height of mountains.
	Depending on how big or how strong your gravity is on whatever body it is.
	Play this.
	We don't need the sound, but play this.
	And this is the Huygens probe that they landed on Titan.
	So Titan's the biggest moon by a long way of Saturn.
	It's a particularly large moon.
	Well, as you say, it's probably better to call it a world.
	It's not a planet.
	But it's a world in its own right, with a hard, rocky surface, and as you said, lots and lots of hydrocarbons, well, giant lakes, seas even, of liquid methane on the surface.
	It's the only other place in the solar system you can have a barbecue.
	The difference is on Earth you need to supply the fuel, whereas on Titan you've got lumps of methane set around all over the place.
	On Titan you supply the oxygen, but it's still the only other place on the solar system you can do that.
	I should say, you want to be quite careful lighting a Zippo.
	Standing next to an ocean of methane.
	Actually, without oxygen, yeah, anyway.
	So again, these are real images of another world.
	That is the surface of Titan, 20 years ago today.
	That's why I'm talking about all this today, because it is the anniversary.
	And remarkable, and you can see that over there's been geological processes going on.
	Obviously not sort of the water cycle that we have on Earth, but it'll be sort of a methane cycle.
	It rains methane, clouds of methane.
	And over the eons it's carved out valleys and canyons and estuaries.
	And mind-blowing.
	There is still a lot of water ice locked in the crust as well.
	So this makes it a really good candidate for colonisation because, I mean, for a start...
	Even now, you can go outside on Titan with a very warm winter jacket.
	You need an oxygen mask and a very warm winter jacket, but it is doable.
	No, you can.
	I think it's like 180 degrees Celsius below.
	It's minus 180. It depends on the wind speed, really.
	With a really good Arctic jacket and an oxygen mask, you can do it.
	You'd probably be better off for something a little bit more.
	Minus 290 Fahrenheit.
	I'd want more than a warm winter jacket.
	Well, it's scarf.
	Yeah, but you're not Scottish.
	You could get around.
	Well, the other really fascinating thing I found about Titan is that you can fly on it.
	Because you know I mentioned that the atmosphere is five times stronger, but the gravity is about seven times less.
	So the average human can jump from a standing star about 1.5 feet in the air.
	So the average human, we're going to jump...
	Eleven and a half feet in the air on Titan.
	So the atmosphere is stronger and the gravity is lower.
	So what that means is if you've got a pair of wings or something, you could actually fly on Titan.
	And even without the Icarus wings, just with your arms, a human would probably better fly about as well as a chicken can fly on Earth.
	That's not bad.
	I'll take that.
	A bit of a leap and a flap.
	I'll take that.
	There you go.
	That's the surface.
	That is the surface of Titan, a real image.
	It needs to be in HD though, doesn't it?
	Yeah, I mean, it was 2005. You see a shadow flitter across the ground in a moment, I believe, and that is the shadow of the giant parachute, as it was sort of abandoned and flew away.
	But there you go.
	I would love to talk a lot more about this.
	Loads more I could say.
	Loads more I've had to say, but I've run out of time.
	There can be a follow-up segment at some point.
	I just think it's worth remembering the Cassini-Huygens mission 20 years ago today when Huygens landed on Titan.
	Right.
	Let's go to the comments.
	We have Dragon Lady Chris.
	Don't listen to Windy.
	You look just fine, Bo.
	What?
	I don't know.
	We could sell Uranus if we could do about the wind.
	We just need a way for Uranus to break wind.
	A Uranus joke.
	Yep.
	Windy Hill House on behalf of the ladies.
	Bo, you're doing a disservice to that Chad jawline by covering it with that much beard.
	Oh, there you go.
	That was the pop you were looking for.
	Oh, right.
	Which wasn't at all.
	Right.
	So, Manly Beard or Chad Jawline.
	Either way.
	Yeah.
	Ryan Hinnigan.
	Other fun space news for Dan.
	Last week in Japanese satellite Akatsuki just released the clearest picture of Venus so far.
	And Boli Saka, I'm surprised there hasn't been a serious effort by the race communists to decolonize the solar system by changing the Eurocentric Greco-Roman planetary nomenclature.
	I believe they've done something like this.
	If you check astrophysics is racist, you will find some people who say that the astrophysical departments are just full of racism.
	And before we play the...
	Sorry.
	I was just going to say, one other thing on that is that new things, new bodies that get found these days, quite often they're given names from Polynesian mythology or something, or from African mythology-type names, rather than purely Greco-Roman these days.
	So they're already doing it.
	This is to recognise the Africans' contribution to the space project, I'd imagine.
	And also, just before we play the videos, really quickly, I want to apologize to the audience if they had the impression that we are going to talk about images that are the most representative of all the woke era and the most historic.
	That wasn't the...
	That wasn't the thing.
	If it was a miscommunication, I see a lot of you complaining about the several historical ones not being included.
	Apologies for this.
	This is my fault.
	No apologies necessary.
	It's okay.
	I want to be upfront with it.
	C.G. Cooper.
	Hey guys, I recently re-watched the movie Hook with Robin Williams and I think it needs a data analysis.
	So maybe you could do that for your next Lads Hour.
	By the way, Bo, how are your books coming?
	I'm still waiting, dude.
	Well, to answer that, you will be waiting quite a lot longer, I'm afraid.
	But I did do a fair bit of work over Christmas and New Year on it.
	I'm trying to do two at the same time.
	I should just abandon one and concentrate on the other.
	But it is still a work in progress.
	I am still working on it, and I think about it all the time and have done quite a few thousand words over the Christmas and New Year period.
	Before I send it to you or anything like that, I want it to be sort of more or less completely polished, finished, well not finished product because the people that edit it will have lots to say, I'm sure.
	But I want it to be as polished as it can possibly be before I sort of release it to the world.
	So I would expect realistically still months and months to go, maybe a year or so.
	I was thinking about this just the other day.
	I was thinking about Coop just the other day, how long it's going to be months yet, months.
	But I haven't abandoned the project or the idea whatsoever.
	George R. R. Martin has taken 18 years to write his final book, so don't feel under any pressure.
	To write a novel-length piece of fiction which isn't complete crap is really, really hard and time-consuming.
	It is, or it is for me.
	You have to start with the ending, I think.
	Well, you at least have to know what the ending would be.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Because a lot of them just find it in the beginning.
	Let's go to the next video comment.
	the Bonsal Bomber.
	That's why I've seen Gromit, isn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I absolutely love it.
	Some people say they really hate it.
	Do they?
	I absolutely love it.
	No, it's brilliant.
	I didn't remember it was this bass, though.
	Yeah.
	Or is that an AI-generated voice, I take it?
	I don't know.
	No, you're not allowed to not like Wallace and Gromit.
	It's brilliant.
	Although, actually, I did see one fairly...
	Because there was one just this Christmas gone, wasn't there?
	And it is a little bit woke.
	They crowbarred brown characters into it a bit.
	Alright.
	So that is one small criticism.
	But by and large, it's great, yeah.
	Let's go to the next comment.
	So around mid-December, I tried to send the Lotus Eaters a Christmas gift care package sort of thing to the PO Box, and the USPS did say that they were able to deliver to international PO Boxes.
	However, they did not tell me that they were going to give the package to a UK carrier who does not deliver to PO Boxes.
	So my package to you guys is currently just sitting in the UK. Not quite sure what to do at this point.
	I did try calling ParcelForce to see if they could still deliver it, but they weren't much help.
	So if there's anything I can do to still get this package to you guys, let me know.
	So on that, first of all, thank you very much.
	Secondly, we did get word from one of our back office chaps saying that we should be receiving it tomorrow.
	So hopefully we are going to get it and receive it.
	So just once again, thank you for sending anything in.
	The Samson confirms.
	The disembodied voice of the Samson says we should get it tomorrow.
	Right.
	Do we have any more video comments?
	Okay.
	So, Samson, I guess we have more time for the comments, yes?
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Annie Moss says, Thanks for breaking down all the fallacies and Rachel from accounts, Dan.
	Enjoyed the CV fail as well as the bit about economics.
	Will you be diving into the bond market in greater detail on show?
	Yes, after this I'm going to go and film a Brokernomics which is basically the same as a segment but proper detail and stuff.
	Dan, is there any way to invest in inflation in the UK other than taking on debts?
	Yeah, so taking on debts and then moving it into something which isn't in the sterling is a way of doing it.
	If you've already got capital and you want to profit from it, you want to put it in something that responds with a high alpha to inflation, which crypto and high-performing tech stocks tend to be the best of those in the US, so that's the way to do it.
	Let me just do a couple more to be quick.
	Somebody online says, your economic policy is basically I used a stolen credit card to pay off my credit card.
	Yes, that is entirely what she's doing.
	One criticism I did want to say of her, which we didn't get to in the thing, and it's a bit I've all drawn anyone out there that has got credit card debts, but if you've got crazy credit card debts, you're a bit of a moron.
	It's crazy.
	Right?
	It's crazy.
	Just stop spending money.
	Yes, just don't.
	Yes.
	Oh, that's what the government should do as well.
	They should stop spending money.
	But of course they can't, because it's all lefty sacred cows at this point.
	Basically, never get a credit card.
	But you might have to, okay.
	But then don't max it out.
	But then don't fail to pay them back.
	Like, it's failure upon failure upon failure if you get into deep trouble with credit cards.
	You're not good with money if you end up there.
	Yeah, but for some reason, governments are allowed to operate that way.
	Thomas Howe says, has no one given Dan the memo to press government decisions in NHS hours?
	Yes, I've seen that Twitter site too, and I'm definitely going to be doing something on that at some future point.
	And AZDazatRat says, is she going to tax holiday trips into the UK until people can afford those anymore?
	Yes, and then she taxed staying at home.
	Right.
	Dan is super duper ultra mega based.
	I'm very much enjoying the podcast of the beard owners today.
	We're sailors.
	We need to save water.
	Geordi Swordsman.
	So should Slop Commander the Stelios be better named the Slopios or the Steliop?
	I think I prefer the first one.
	Oh, Steliop.
	I like that.
	That's good.
	Federal Agent.
	Question for the Stelios.
	When are we getting Onion of Deception merch?
	I've heard that some things are happening on that front.
	So maybe we will.
	Also, planets are like Onions of Deception.
	The Greek word for a planet is also deceiver.
	I forgot to ask you about that.
	They're just like giant onions deceiving us.
	And someone online, the current progressive stack is Muslims, trans, gays, blacks, disabled, women, men.
	Whites.
	Okay.
	Yeah, whites.
	Okay.
	Right.
	And do you want to get some comments?
	I can read for you.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	North FC Zuma.
	Here we go again.
	Dan's going to try and Jupiter peel us now.
	Bo is talking about Saturn.
	Alpha of the Betas, in April 2017, Cassini began a series of 22 dives between Saturn and its rings, providing unprecedented close-up views and new insights into the planet's ring system as part of the mission's grand finale, which took place at the end of the spacecraft's operations. providing unprecedented close-up views and new insights into the planet's It went between the rings and Saturn.
	I don't think it passed through the rings themselves.
	Kevin Fox, Dan, this one actually happened.
	Really, Dan?
	Looked remarkably like it was filmed on the Ascension Island to me.
	And last one, Arizona Desert.
	Right, here's my question.
	Will Pluto forever stay a planetoid till the death of a solar system, or will it eventually grow into a planet?
	I don't think there's any mass to accrete to it, so I don't know where the additional mass would come to it.
	If enough material from the Kuiper belt landed on it, it might...
	Quite big enough.
	But yeah, that's a reference to, we used to call it a planet and now they call it a dwarf planet, don't they?
	I mean, it'd be a lot easier.
	Emoted from full planet status.
	It'd be a lot easier just to redefine what a planet is back to what it was before.
	Right, that would be, that will happen sooner than enough material comes from.
	Right, and on that note, we have to end our podcast.
	It was a lovely conversation today.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much for your segments and I hope you enjoyed it.
	See you tomorrow.

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