Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 13th of January, 2025. It is unfortunately Monday, but I am fortunately joined by Kelly J. Keene, otherwise known as Posey Parker, who has come to talk with me about Labour's nonce problem, how we are...
Literally living under a clownocracy and how things are going quite badly in the Starmer bunker.
It's literally only a matter of time until one of them retires into a drawing room with a glass of brand in a pistol.
So, you know, it's not all bad news.
But, right, so, I mean, before we begin, how are you doing?
You alright?
Yeah, great.
What a great, fantastic 2025 we're all having.
Wonderful.
I know.
13 days in, it's actually going great.
For people who aren't part of the Labour government, or supporters of them, of course.
Anyway, okay, well let's begin, because speaking of the Labour government, there are some genuine heroes still living in England, and what they do is they catfish paedophiles online.
Yes.
And then meet up with them and film it and put it on the internet.
So everyone gets to see who's trying to meet up with a child to have sex with them.
And it turns out that one of them was a former Labour Defence Minister called Ivor Kaplan who was arrested after a sting by these paedophile hunters.
And he is quite a remarkable person because...
Everyone started then going, OK, well, let me check out his online profile.
And his Twitter profile is a weird cross between a sort of Labour Party political broadcast platform and a Pornhub for gay people.
Yes.
And really pro.
He's very much an ally to the whole LGBT, very much T community.
He's clearly part of the LGBT part.
But yeah.
What a great man.
What a great representative of Labour, I feel.
He's, in fact, a perfect representative of Labour.
And so, like everyone else, I went to the BBC to find out more about this.
And man.
I got to hear about a man.
A 66-year-old man.
Oh, just a man.
Right.
Is he involved in any political activities?
Does he have a name?
It's very interesting, isn't it?
Just a man.
Imagine if he was a victim of, say, a mugging.
Yes.
We would know exactly who he was.
It's very...
I think Ipso's been going through something quite traumatic called misinformation for a really, really long time, ever since it was deemed discriminatory to sort of give otherwise irrelevant or unnecessary details.
And I think we've...
I mean, this is a prime example.
I think it's quite relevant, actually, who he is.
I think, yeah, the fact that he was a former Labour MP for Hove from 1997 into 2005 and is, of course, still a member of the Labour Party and a strong support for Keir Starmer's government, I think that actually is relevant.
And I think that if this was a Conservative or Reform Party member, we would know about it.
Yeah, you would.
But it is the BBC, and yet again they're covering up for a paedophile.
Anyway, moving on.
This is his Twitter bio.
I'm not going to show you.
Why?
I'm not going to show you his feed, because frankly, it would break the terms of service.
But as you see, he, him.
First thing.
Pride events, patron LGBT. Okay, yeah.
Precisely what I expected.
And, of course, he's been a guest speaker at Pride and various other things.
And what's weird, though, is that he was married for 20 years during the 80s and 90s.
He's got three children.
And now he's in his 60s.
He, well, spends his time gay posting on Twitter.
It's very...
Shamelessly.
Yeah, and he's followed by...
He's followed by some people who've probably seen his feed.
I think Angela Rayner is one of the people named as someone that follows him.
It's just very odd that anybody would think it was appropriate.
Do you know what I'm going to do?
My personal sexual fetishes and things I like alongside...
Oh, I think we should cut the winter fuel allowance.
Yes, I'm retweeting Keir Starmer and soliciting people for sex.
Concurrent tweets.
Yeah, which tells me of the state that we're in as a country really, that actually the personal...
It's very much now not private.
And I really want to go back to the time where, you know, whatever you want to do.
Bring back shaming.
I want to bring back shame in a big way.
I mean, I think we did something where we shamed women who were left holding the baby, right?
So we shamed single mothers.
And I'm not saying that there weren't some people that deserve shame, but mostly we sort of said, oh, your husband's run off and left you holding the baby.
Let's shame you.
And then we were like, that's a terrible thing.
And then we've gone to, do you know what?
Wear your pyjamas.
Just wear your pyjamas.
Give your kids some frazzles.
Don't potty train them.
Post exactly what you want to do in bed online.
And there's no shame whatsoever.
Brilliant.
And just, again, I can't show you this guy's Twitter feed, but it is genuinely atrocious.
It's the most shameless soliciting I have ever seen.
I mean, honestly, though, and the thing that annoys me, one aspect of this annoys me, It's so embarrassing, right?
It's such an embarrassing thing to see a 66-year-old man first posting after 20-something men on Twitter.
It's just like, don't you have any dignity?
No.
I mean, all of it.
It's almost irrespective of whether it's male or female that he's posting.
It's just this...
Yeah, we know that you probably do lust after young men, but just do it in your own head.
You need to share it.
Yeah, you've got however many 100,000 Twitter followers.
The world can see you do this.
Yeah, gross.
But anyway, this isn't the only paedophile outed from the Labour Party this week.
There's a list?
This week?
Yeah, there is a list, actually.
Oh, where is it?
There we go.
Here's another one.
So, an ex-Labour Party chairman of a local branch was also, well, pled guilty to abusing a child of 15 allegations of it.
So, lots of people are, you can imagine, pointing out, being like, hang on, does Labour have a bit of a paedophile problem?
You know, why did they...
Put Lord Mandelson as their ambassador to the United States when he was a known close associate of Jeffrey Epstein.
And I've heard in private lots of things about Lord Mandelson that, I mean...
He seems so savoury though.
Yeah, he's a very wholesome character.
Really?
Yeah.
Of all the people, why him?
Why would you put him as the US ambassador?
It's like, well, I mean, those guys were friends with Epstein too.
Oh, there we go.
I guess that's...
He was great in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, I thought.
I don't even get the reference of what you're talking about.
It was a child catcher.
Oh, right.
I watched that when I was about 12. I don't think I've seen it.
I don't think it's a great film.
It was a good reference that you missed.
You ruined the whole film.
I know, I know.
It's been 40 odd years since I've watched that film.
Give me a break.
Right, okay.
So there's this 50-person list of labour paedophiles going around.
And one thing you'll notice is these are all...
Well, British names.
So we are not even talking about the grooming gang scandal.
We are just talking about, well, members of the Labour Party.
Now, I'm always a bit suspicious of these kinds of lists because, of course, these are just words, right?
Just names on page with an allegation, but I don't know.
And so I did end up having a look around the internet and I found a person who actually has provided links.
So there's at least 25. Some of the links have been poorly formatted, but other ones have them.
And so this does seem to be a perennial problem that exists in the Labour Party.
Now, I just want to...
I know everyone's thinking, oh, those disgusting Labour Party.
The Conservative Party will be just as bad.
They're just better at covering this up.
They're just better at keeping their perversions under the hood.
Again, you can...
There are lots of...
I guess you say grapevine rumours about lots of members of the Conservative Party, and so I don't want anyone coming away from this thinking, I'm saying, oh, well then, the Conservative Party are okay.
No, they're both disgusting, weird pedo parties.
Anyway, one thing I found that was really, really entertaining to come out of this was that Owen Jones arrived on the right side of an issue.
No.
I know that's hard to believe.
He's probably got you blocked, hasn't he?
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
He's got me blocked too, so I had to find this, like, second or third hand.
Yeah.
But this was just a remarkable interaction yesterday, right?
So Owen posts, the big questions about Ivor Kaplan are, who knew what, when, and what action did they take?
That's correct, Owen.
That's exactly correct.
You are not in any way trying to obfuscate in defence of the Labour Party because you're a communist and they essentially kicked you out.
But a chap called Bill Kirkbride says, Who knew what?
He's a horny gay man who wanted a sexual encounter and age did not concern him, it seems.
Is he a monster?
And, of course, the community note has got them.
Yes, the man posted this is a computer file.
Owen Jones himself found this out.
God.
He's, of course, an ex-Labour councillor.
Literally, he couldn't make it up.
As Owen Jones, somehow on the right side of the issue, was like, bloody hell.
And he replies, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'll cast it.
I'm going to cast this stone.
I've got rocks.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, what a response.
And everyone is just like, Jesus, is the Labour Party like institutionally nonce or something?
Well, it is being covered up by the BBC, which is institutionally noncy, and it seems that actually it's doing everything it can to make sure that nonces are actually kept safe.
It's really...
I think I read a long time ago that if you're a convicted child rapist...
Actually, can I say the R word on your channel?
Yeah, yeah.
If you're convicted for that, when you come out, you go to the top of the housing register.
Because the police, which kind of makes sense.
What?
Yeah, because the police need to know where you are.
Oh yeah, good for me.
So you get, but often you'll then get housed near schools and parks and not that if you're a paedophile you won't walk a little.
Way to go and kind of find prey.
But why would you be overlooking a school playground?
I just, it's so unsavoury.
But I think that there's a history of, where do they come from, the Labour Party?
They come from, it begins with F, I can't remember, but on that side of sort of politics.
I met someone a long time ago whose parents were involved in the very conception of the Labour Party and he claimed it was absolutely rife.
But then I think, you know, people in power, ex-public school boys, is it going to just be rife?
Is that sort of community, is that section of society any worse or better or just the same?
I think for the Conservatives it's habitual.
Right.
As in, they all get a bit abused when they're in school, and so it kind of becomes a normal part of their life.
But I think for the Labour Party, it's ideological, which is why people like Harriet Harman were involved with the Paedophile Information Exchange back in the 60s and 70s.
And the BBC. Go and have a chat.
Yeah, and the BBC just being literally an institutional paedophile network.
Yes.
Again, just literally...
How many BBC presenters now?
It's got to be knocking on a dozen.
Is it about 98%?
No, I'm joking.
That's the thing.
It's just safer to assume that if you're watching someone on the BBC, they're more likely to be involved than not, right?
Yeah, well, I think it's unfettered access.
I always talk about this with regard to any boundaries and safeguarding that I talk about with the issue that I most focus on.
And it's...
Just simply about, if you allow someone the opportunity, if you give them a kind of a slightly open door, then they're going to exploit it.
So the BBC, what open doors have you got?
Well, A, you've got a network, and B, you're kind of...
You're disguised in this sort of super celebrity thing.
And the same as if you're in the Labour Party or if you sort of move in those sort of circles or the Liberty Movement, which is all about...
I think it was Liberty, wasn't it, that Harriet Harman was part of that sort of supported the paedophile information exchange because you didn't want to be mean to anyone.
Well, it's oppression, isn't it?
You know, it's a sexuality.
They didn't choose it.
And it's a form of oppression to the Labour Party.
And they are trying to bring that back, aren't they?
The whole kind of...
But think of the paedophiles.
Yeah, I am.
All of them.
I am, and that's why I'm in favour of discrimination.
Yeah, me too.
Murderous.
Murderous discrimination.
You don't even know what I'm in favour of with these people.
And I'm probably legally not allowed to say.
So anyway, getting back to this.
Yeah, it's weird that for some reason it's really easy for sex offenders to get themselves removed from the sex offender registry.
I don't really understand why.
Apparently 75% success rate if you apply to be removed.
Then three quarters of them are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go on.
What are the basis of removal?
Well, just, I don't even know.
Just please will you remove me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just, I guess.
I mean, I haven't had time to look into this.
I only discovered this just before the podcast.
Wow.
But what a remarkable headline.
And I am going to be looking into that in more depth because I actually do want to know more on this.
So anyway, going to the other...
Tremendous nonce scandal that is plaguing the Labour Party.
If it's not their own internal native nonces, it is external foreign nonces that they have decided to defend.
And the BBC put up an article saying, what's Starmer's record on the grooming gangs?
And even they had to admit, it's not great.
It's not great, actually.
But it does say BBC Verify, so it's...
It might be done through.
However, because it's not in favour of Starmer, I'm going to guess that it's more accurate than not.
Yeah.
But he was, of course...
in 2008 and it was regularly criticized during this period for not proceeding with prosecution on Rochdale in the Rochdale groom gang on the basis that the main victim was unreliable it's like right Oh.
Really?
What were we expecting?
Was she supposed to come out with a very fine accent and very composed and say, well, listen, these are the things that happened to me?
Or was she a drug-addled child who was raped by dozens of men?
And maybe that should have been taken into account.
God, that's nuts, isn't it?
I keep saying this about the victims of these horrific Pakistani Muslim paedophile rape and torture gangs.
That's not even an exaggeration on the description of the kind of gang they are, right?
Yeah.
Well, I just promised myself that I'm not going to shy away from the facts of what they are.
But if you're too eloquent...
Are you really traumatised enough?
Did it really happen?
If you're a little bit sketchy, then, oh, well, I'm sure she was asking for it.
If you're really traumatised, how can you believe a word of what they say?
So it's a really, it's so disgusting, the whole thing, which is, I went to, where did I go?
Oldham on Saturday and did a Let Women Speak.
Oh, yes.
It was great.
Well, we had, you know, it's the first one that we're focused, we're not really focusing specifically on...
Pakistani Muslim paedophile rape and torture gangs.
But we are going to the places where they've operated in order to facilitate those women that have been ignored, routinely ignored, and felt that they haven't been able to speak.
I want to give them a voice.
And so we're starting to go to those places because, as you well know, anybody who tries to talk about this is a far-right racist.
Yes.
So I'm using that label and I'm going everywhere that I can to give these women a voice.
Because I just don't want it to be...
I want every woman to always think that whatever she wants to say about whatever experience she has, she's had, is enough.
And she doesn't need someone to sanitize it or to invite her onto a panel or tell her she's, you know, that's okay, you have permission.
I just want her to be able to speak.
So I think that might, I'm not saying it will crack that particular nut, but I think it will help alongside all the other work that everybody is doing.
Yeah, I think so.
To break it.
Well, one of the main problems that we've had in this country and people who are not from this country find it very difficult to believe that the word racist has such power here.
But it is...
I can't overstate how terrified the polite society of Britain is at the stigmatisation of the word racist.
It is enough to allow this to carry on.
Yeah.
For decades.
Yeah.
It really is.
And again, people in foreign countries are like, well, why would that be the case?
It's a long thing to explain and I can't do it.
Well, I always say they'd rather protect a rapist.
They'd rather protect a rapist than be accused of being a racist.
Yeah, they think being a racist is worse than being a racist.
Yeah, they absolutely do.
100%.
Yeah.
That's mental, obviously.
Anyway, they carry on, say, the 2014 Professor Jay report regarding Rotherham said the police would often cite the CPS as being unwilling to prosecute alleged perpetrators.
But they became more helpful after this kind of exploded into the public consciousness.
And everyone was like, well, hang on a second.
It's actually worse to be a rapist, by the way.
And this is a repeated thing.
So, not good, is the record of Starmer's.
Anyway, so you had a bunch of institutions that were coming out in defence I retweeted it when you said it.
I mean, Jess, now's just not the time, love.
No!
It's not the time.
I appreciate you are the real victim, just not right now.
You can't even buy a Tesla now.
Jesus.
God, look at what it's come to.
And so there was Women's Aid.
But then you had the NHS as well, which was very interesting.
So you have this chap saying, look, I'm a qualified clinician and basically for the mental health services, we would do nothing for this.
We would do nothing to help these people because, of course, we're a politically correct institution too.
And then you have the local councils who have decided that you're a racist for calling them Pakistani grooming or rape gangs.
Ah, that's a shame.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
That's it.
But the local councils, of course, were the ones complicit with the cover-up.
Often they would be directly involved, if not involved in a secondary way.
So this, and again, this really speaks to Jess Phillips going, no, we're going to have local, the councils can do the investigations themselves.
It's like, I don't really want them checking their own homework on this, actually.
No.
And why not both?
Why not national and regional and then join them all up and see who's lying?
But also, why not do both?
Why not do as much as possible?
Because the Labour Party is complicit and they're like, we're not going to incriminate ourselves, are we?
So bad.
It's terrible.
And I realise that we're kind of making light of it, but that's only because of how ridiculous our country is.
Like, an institutionally Nazi party is in government defending...
The rights of immigrants to nonce our kids.
And it's like, okay, and by the way, I mean, the Met Police Chief will always come out and say this.
It's like, by the way, it's wrong to say that that's the case.
It's not incorrect.
No.
Obviously.
Well, all rapists matter.
I just want to have my position there.
That's literally what he says.
All the threats from all the races and ethnicities.
All rapists matter is literally the Met Police's position on this.
Because we are actually run by a clownocracy.
And, in fact, let's move on to talking about the clownocracy in a minute.
Because this...
I mean, any final thoughts on this, by the way?
Well, look, I think...
I use the words cannon fodder.
Like, it's the...
You obviously...
I listen to people all the time saying, oh, he's a yawball.
That person just using it for their own end.
And I'm like, these men that you...
That you castigate and you sort of think they don't really care.
Why wouldn't they care?
Why wouldn't any decent person care about...
Girls being raped.
But it just, I just don't get it.
And I think those men that we, like, oh, they're so impolite and they use bad language and they're cannon fodder.
They're the guys that go out and on the front line that we're quite happy to die for this country.
And the girls that are being systematically raped up and down the country, they're the female equivalent.
You know, they're just, nobody cares about them.
Nobody cares about them.
And so that's why I think it's in all of our, it should be an...
It's an absolute priority for all of us who speak about it to continue to keep revisiting it and speaking about it and keep it in the public consciousness.
And I know your good friend does that, but it just has to be all different voices so people don't have the excuse of saying, I don't want to align with that person or I don't want to align with that person.
So sick of it.
Yeah, I don't care about that stuff, but I know other people do.
Yeah, they do, but they really have to get over it because one of the things that bothers me in the case of Mr. Robinson is that...
It's not like he needed to do this for money.
He was a successful property developer, right?
And the thing is, he's a father of daughters.
I'm a father of daughters.
A lot of these men who are concerned about this are fathers of daughters, and they don't want this to happen to theirs.
Well, I read a Julie Bindel article where she basically attributed any man looking after his daughter as if it was property.
And I'm like...
You're just telling on yourself.
Because my husband loves his children and he would come and do something because he loves his daughter, not because he thinks that's mine.
Yeah, no, you know what, no, I'm fine.
No, yeah, yeah, she is my daughter.
She belongs to me.
I'm not having some immigrant noncer.
I'm not having it.
I don't care if Julie Binder's like, well, you just look at it like an object.
Okay, fine, Julie.
It's just still that's not going to happen under my watch.
I'm not having it.
I can't tell you the violent imagery in my head when I think about someone hurting one of my kids.
But I would enjoy it.
I would make it last.
And it would be so terribly violent.
But it would be justice.
100%.
It would be completely justified.
It would be...
Balancing the cosmic scales of right and wrong.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
That's how I look at this.
And this is, honestly, this is kind of an old English view of justice that I think is correct.
This is why, even now, most people in England are in favour of the death penalty.
And that's just if you ask them just off the bat.
If you then go, okay, but what about child murderers?
That's like 65% of people in England.
Oh, yeah, hang them, you know, obviously.
And 0% of those people are in government.
Like, zero MPs.
Oh, actually, Rupert Lowe's probably in favour of it, to be fair.
The MPs are all to the left of the general public on the death penalty and various other issues like that.
But I completely agree with you.
I know it would be absolutely morally correct to revisit this on these people.
Yeah, good.
Anyway, this is something my wife has been banging on about for years.
I used to be a lot more liberal than I am now, right?
I was like, oh no, no, no.
Death penalty, maybe a mistake or something like that.
My wife was just like, hang on.
I don't care.
Hang on.
And over the years, I've aligned with her position and now she's like, see, I was right, wasn't I? I'm like, damn it.
She was right.
I have to admit it.
Well, I kind of feel like I'm a character in a Guy Ritchie movie.
And I feel like Vinnie Jones when there's someone in the car and he's threatening his son and then he just repeatedly slams the car door on this person's head.
And I'm like, I'm with you.
I can empathise.
You know what really annoys me, though, is that the very nature of the concern for the criminal is to isolate the event and...
Make it seem like the criminal is the focus of what is happening here.
Because, I mean, we go, okay, well, the criminal's within our power and therefore, well, we don't want them to suffer.
And that's literally the Keir Starmer position on it.
I'm like, no, because ten minutes ago they had someone vulnerable in their power and showed no mercy.
Yes.
And that...
That continuum of events is important.
You can't just isolate this moment in time and say, well, look, he can't hurt anyone right now.
It's like, well, that's because we stopped him from hurting someone right then.
And so I'm much more on the continuum view of justice, which is, no, you pay for the things you did in the past.
Yeah.
I'm kind of at the...
Totally go against somebody else's human rights.
So you rape, torture, kill, whatever.
Then you've foregone your own.
You don't get to then say, what about my human rights?
Because you've lost yours.
That's a bargain.
What about them?
Don't recall asking about them.
If we're going to talk about human rights, we'll use you as the standard for human rights, shall we?
What do you think about human rights, really?
Yeah, I'm totally...
I'm so sick of the idea of justice as rehabilitation.
No, justice is vengeance.
Justice is vengeance of the good society against the criminal, the evildoer, the wrongdoer, the person who would like to completely upend the just order of things.
That's what justice is about.
I'm totally off of that now.
Anyway, we'll go through some of the comments at the end, just because I don't want to interrupt the role we're on.
Anyway, so let's go to the clownocracy, right?
So it's not bad enough that the Labour Party...
Is intrinsically an evil organisation run by total midwits.
The problem is that they're in government, right?
I'm okay with evil organisations run by midwits as long as they come nowhere near power.
And unfortunately, they do.
So this is the Chagos Islands.
I'd never heard of them.
No?
No one had ever heard of them.
And then one day, Kirsten was like, yes, we're going to give these away.
It's like, oh, why?
Well, no reason.
I mean, it's not like Mauritius is...
Putting diplomatic pressure on the British government to give away this remote island chain that we're using.
And so in October, Keir Starman was just like, hey, we're going to give this Indian Ocean territory back to Mauritius.
Mauritius is not really a sovereign country.
It's a tiny island.
But also...
I've been to Mauritius.
It's very lovely.
I'm sure it's lovely, but it's not like a military power.
And it's never had Mauritius, of course.
It's never had the Chagos Islands because, of course, we were the imperial power ruling over all of this, which is why we have the islands and a base on the islands anyway.
This is a little diagram of the military base.
You can see it's just a little American military base.
And so we kissed up and just came out and said, right, we're going to give this away.
And everyone was like, why?
And he's like, because.
And so everyone's like, oh, well, wait, does that mean we're going to get other islands back?
And of course, this is a big deal, because the Argentinians were like, oh, we'd like the Falklands back.
And they're like, no, no, no, we're never going to give the Falklands back.
I said, but why not?
If we're going to give one island, why not the rest of them?
And they said, no, no, don't worry, it's unwavering commitment, despite the Chagos stuff.
And so this is where it starts getting really stupid.
It's kind of weird to start dismembering your own territory anyway.
It's really weird.
You get into government, I'm going to start just giving away territory.
It's a really weird thing to do.
But then it's like, okay, but we are going to pay them to take the migrants that are on the island from them.
And we're going to send them to another remote island that we have.
Like, St. Helena is a remote island in the middle of the Atlantic, off the coast of Africa.
I say off the coast.
We're halfway between Africa and South America.
It's like, why would they want the Chagos Island migrants, like illegal immigrants who have got to the Chagos Islands, who are being held in a little...
So we're going to pay six and a half million to go send them to St. Helena.
What are we doing?
What are you doing this for, right?
And so, this was bizarre.
It's going to cost us loads of money, and we're doing it completely unprompted.
And then the Americans were like, hang on a second, there's an American military base on that?
We want you to keep that.
It's like, okay, so now, the Labour government has decided to try and negotiate with...
Mauritius to give them £9 billion for us to keep the base on the island we still own because this deal hasn't been finalised.
So Mauritius must be like, well, this is brilliant.
We're going to get a free island.
Are you going to give us £9 billion for a 99-year lease on the base on this island?
Are you getting to a point where you're going to tell me what this is?
Like, why?
Do you know why?
No one knows why.
Well, there's clearly, down the line, we're all going to find out why, aren't we?
It's going to be something absolutely dreadful, but there's not no reason, is it?
I don't even think it's going to be dreadful.
I think it's going to be stupid.
I think it's going to be really, really stupid.
Because there's just...
It's anti-American.
Is it about that military base?
And you know what?
It looks like it is, because, of course, Trump's coming in in like a week now, and it seems they've been trying to fast-track this to get this...
Given away before Trump gets in.
So it seems like just a way of harming Trump, but it's a really weird and tangential way.
But the point is, no one can understand why.
Why we're going to give away an island that we own.
And no one's about to take from us.
An empty island.
It's just an outline of an island.
Basically an empty island, yes.
And then we're going to pay £9 billion to the people we give it to to keep the base.
And we're going to pay £6.5 million to move people who shouldn't even be on the island to a different island where they don't belong either.
It's like, okay, clowns.
Absolute clowns.
And, you know, the £9 billion...
We're going to give them...
Well, we are going to have to raise another $9 billion to avoid public service cuts.
It's weird how these numbers keep aligning.
You know when they said, oh, there's a £22 billion black hole in the finances?
Oh, yeah, we're also going to give £22 billion for carbon capture or something.
So why would you literally spend a black hole's worth of money on carbon capture?
It's mental, right?
Absolutely mental.
Rachel from Accounts.
Yeah, we'll get on to Rachel from Accounts in a bit, actually, because she's having...
A rough time of it.
She's dynamic, isn't she?
She's brilliant.
We'll carry on.
Honestly, I feel like the country is being ruled by the office.
You know?
Yeah.
Keir Starmer is...
Any minute.
Thankfully, he's not that embarrassing.
But he is that dumb and totally tone deaf and so is Rachel Reeves.
But anyway, so even the BBC is like, well, hang on a second.
Where's the growth in the budget?
You bring out a budget.
You're like, yep, we're $22 billion in the hole.
I need to raise $44 billion in taxes.
It's like, Rachel, those numbers are not the same.
No.
They don't add up.
That's actually twice as much as you needed.
And they've already lied, haven't they?
So they said, oh, we're going to raise, I think it was, I don't know, 1.6 billion from this VAT on private schools, and that's going to go straight into...
And I just said to people, you have to understand the way money works, and it isn't...
You can't go, oh, we've now got that bit of money, so we're going to put that...
That isn't how many works, that isn't how many of us work, that isn't how GDP works, and you have to not believe it when they say, we're going to do this because we need to pay for...
Look at this.
It's nonsense and lies.
Yes.
I mean, that's literally just it's nonsense and lies.
And you remember Keir Starmer was very much, look, this is going to be a government of growth.
It's like, look, I'm not an economist.
But even I realize that if you are raising taxes, you are inhibiting growth.
Yes.
Because the money that you're stealing from me, and this business is a good example, we've got to pay a 25% corporation tax.
Well, that's 25% fewer employees I can have, right?
The more you take from me, the fewer people I can employ and the worse the economy gets in a small fraction.
And if you apply that to the entire civilization, well, then you can see how someone like Millay would say, This is a parasitical entity that's sucking the life out of our country.
Because I don't think people realise how much tax they pay.
So if someone buys something from me for like a tenner on my website, I have to pay VAT. On that sale, and I claim my VAT back, right, so when I purchase it.
But then I have to pay PAYE on every employee, and I have to pay PAYE on my own income, and I have to pay corporation tax, and I have to pay all these other things.
So out of that £1 or £10 or whatever, such a significant portion of that is just given back to the government, and for less and less.
So I have no A&E. In my town.
I'm actually banned from my doctors.
But that's because I challenged someone on a pronoun badge.
But you couldn't get a doctor's appointment anyway unless you go and stand outside of the doctors at 8 o'clock in the morning like in the 1950s.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, in the 1950s, they probably would have had fewer...
People waiting.
Yeah, we were healthier, I think.
Or dead.
In the 70s and 80s, the doctors would come to your house.
I know!
People don't believe me when I tell them.
I remember going to a doctor's house, so Dr. Forth.
I can't remember.
I might have had an ear infection or something when I was eight.
And it was out of hours.
And so you'd phone, and then they'd give you an out of hours doctor.
It wasn't called an out of hours.
It was just called a doctor.
And you'd go along, but they were full-time.
I think my mother's surgery in Glastonbury.
Somerset, most of the people working are part-time GPs.
So you can never get an appointment.
And then it's so terrible.
But anyway, I went to Dr. Fultz's house at like 8 o'clock in the evening for him to see me.
Can you imagine?
Not now, I can't, no.
But I remember that things used to be better because I'm old.
Anyway, so obviously this has caused a complete economic flatline.
The business leaders around the world say that the UK is just the worst of all worlds at the moment.
Yeah, it's true.
It's absolutely true.
We have a giant parasitic government run by communists who thinks they can literally tax their way to prosperity.
Except themselves, obviously.
They probably will.
Avoid some of that.
Of course.
And so this has created conditions worse than when Liz Truss was in charge for the bond market.
Now, like I said, I'm not an economist.
I don't understand the bond market.
But the point is, if you look at these graphs, you can see where it spikes under Liz Truss, but then it's higher now under Rachel Reeves.
Is the world coming to an end?
No.
Is the sky falling?
No.
Is Rachel Reeves being forced out of her job?
Is Keir Starmer being forced out of his job?
No.
This is all a big stitch-up, basically.
And so, okay, yeah, Rachel Reeves is worse for the economy than Liz Truss, and the thing is Liz Truss was...
Making unpleasant decisions that would be good in the future.
Yeah, that's what I... I mean, my understanding is that it was all good to take the mickey out of, but nobody really dealt with the substance of what her policies would have done.
They all were a bit like, oh, it's rubbish.
Oh, she lasted less time than a lettuce.
And nobody's actually thought, well, you know, economics-wise, would that have been good, what she was intending on doing?
So Liz Truss's big crime was that they would have had to have been borrowing to maintain the level of public services that we have.
And not just public services, but just benefits, redistribution, all this sort of stuff.
But what she would have done is reduce the taxes on businesses and individuals.
So the economy would have, six months down the line, been bigger than it was.
Because we would have employed more people.
And so the tax revenue from each person being employed and each person...
And it's not just being employed, it's spending.
I mean, like the amount of money you spend on On a chocolate bar from the shop, like 20% of that goes to the government.
And so, okay, well...
If more people have more money, more things can get bought, more revenue can be raised by the state, and this would have caught up.
And so it would have been a justified period of borrowing because you are actually allowing the economy to grow.
Well, Rachel Reeves has done the opposite and arrived in a worse place than Liz Truss economically.
And so Liz Truss has actually signed that her tenure is aging better than it would.
And basically it's...
Essentially just kind of Thatcherism light.
Yeah.
I'm up for it.
Well, they've done this thing.
There used to be this meme-y thing where you say you have a packet of biscuits and what the rich people are doing is they're taking all the biscuits and giving you one biscuit and then saying, oh, look, they're trying to steal your biscuit.
And I feel like the Labour Party are basically saying...
Oh my God, those people got to eat and they ate a little bit more than you, therefore nobody should eat.
It's just, it's this proper politics of envy.
The VAT on the private schools thing is so nuts.
How on earth does that work?
Because if you're a big school, if you're like Bristol Grammar School, for example, you're probably redistributing that.
All that, and you're very clever, and you can do it.
If you're a smaller private school that exists solely because the schools around are shockingly bad, and the discipline is really bad, really bad, and maybe your child goes to a school, I don't know, that has not so many girls as boys, and most of the boys' toilets are permanently out of order.
All their heating completely breaks down.
The state of public schools in Britain.
You've got Catherine Burblesing, right?
Amazing.
You've got this school.
Got the same people, and I argued with someone about it the other day, and I was like, but it's such a great school.
It's such a great school, and it's her.
She's put this back in.
It's her belief that these kids can behave and so on.
And so I was like, oh, no, I think it's her parents.
I was like, no, it's...
But if you had that school, why wouldn't you replicate that everywhere?
Why wouldn't you just say, let's have that everywhere?
Well, because you would be essentially returning to kind of like Victorian standards of propriety in schools.
Yeah, now, I'm in...
100% in favour of this.
And I'm totally unsympathetic to them.
Oh, but what about the poor kids?
What about the poor kids?
They'll be alright.
Yeah, no, they need it.
Absolutely.
If your home life is chaos, and I know I'm just, I'm going down a tangent here, so I'll put myself back in a minute.
No, no, it's totally fine.
But if your home life is chaos, and there's no discipline, and there's no expectation that you can behave or achieve, then you need some sanctity and safety that at 9 o'clock you actually have...
Seven hours or whatever it is that you're at school.
You have those hours in that day where you are treated like someone who can do something.
And...
That's what used to happen in my school.
We had naughty kids from bad families, but they came in and they behaved all day.
And I bet they're much better off than if we're like, oh, well, little Johnny, he can't really sit still.
And you can't expect him not to swear at teachers.
I can.
I can expect all of these things and I can make him do it and he will be punished until he does it.
Like, I'm so sick of this permissiveness.
And, like, the whole thing is predicated on the idea.
The children kind of deserve to be at the very bottom level that they're at.
No, no, no.
Like you say, you can't expect them to...
No, I can and I will make them do it.
And actually that's for their good because what children actually need to become healthy, normal, well-adjusted adults is predictability.
They need to know that tomorrow is going to be like yesterday.
And they need to know where the boundaries are and what happens if they cross the boundaries.
And they will...
Learn themselves.
They will start to control themselves to live within them.
And then there'll be a person who can be relied upon not to be...
Yeah, and they need to be scared witless of at least one person in that school.
Absolutely.
At least one.
There has to be a fear of the authority above them.
And this is another, it's a real sort of millennial problem.
It's like, oh, I want to be my child's friend.
You are not their friend.
I remember years ago, my dad once tried to call me mate.
I was like, dad, I'm not your mate.
I'm your son.
And he was like, oh, okay.
And ever since that, I don't know why I did that either.
I was just like, no, I'm not your mate.
I don't like hearing that.
um but i i've you know like explored this train of thought and i've realized no no it's absolutely imperative that for the child's entire life they understand there is a hierarchy here and you are beneath your parents and this is why you owe deference to your parents and this is why your parents are a source of guidance to you that you respect and this whole like oh we'll just equal amount no it's atrocious i hate it i agree but um
But anyway, getting back to the economy, but on the schools thing, a bunch of these private schools have now closed, by the way, as well.
A couple of dozen, I think.
It's like, yeah, that's great, isn't it?
You know, continual shrinkage.
Race to the bottom.
Yeah, it's the race to the bottom.
Degradation.
And I send my kids to a small private school.
It's expensive for me, but it's not expensive in the grand scheme of things.
And they're like, yeah, well, we're really worried about it.
And I send them there because it's a nice school.
My dad couldn't afford to send me to a private school, but I can afford to send them to a private school.
It's not eaten.
You know what I mean?
I see loads of these labour activists being like, yeah, great, another private school gone.
It's like, a lot of this is...
Well-meaning middle-class parents who just want to give their children the start that they didn't have.
Yes.
This is not like, you know, Eton billionaire school.
And what does it, I mean, you have to really ask, what were they hoping to achieve?
Because if it's only 1.6 billion, like, and I doubt if it is even that much, but if it's only that, what is that going to do to a country's budget?
Because that's only once they get it, right?
Like, that's over.
And then they give it to the Chagos Islands.
It's just...
It's a signal to their membership, isn't it?
Like, ooh, we're going to punish those people because they've got a little bit more than you.
Well, yeah.
Thanks.
I've worked really hard for what I have, actually.
But anyway, so this is just a list of repeated bad decisions.
This is an article by Adam Brooks.
We just go through it.
There's just so many.
Just, you know, how Keir Starmer handled the riots, how he handled the winter fuel allowance, the farmer's inheritance tax, national insurance hikes, the waspy women betrayal, the grooming gangs inquiry refusal.
And so this is just this absolute cavalcade.
And this is just...
The Chagos Islands one is just the most inexplicable one.
I mean, at least on the other...
Like, problems.
They can make kind of a half-reasonable argument that kind of defends themselves on it.
But on the Chagos one, this is stupid and you're morons and it's costing us billions.
Yeah, but I just don't believe that it's for nothing.
I think that we'll find out what the reason is.
Could well be.
A couple of years down the line, if not sooner.
And it will still be equally as...
Demented, but we will at least understand it.
Yeah, it could be.
And again, it's not like an important issue really, but it's just emblematic.
Well, we don't know, do we?
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
It could be that Labour's got their bloody child trafficking operation operating from it or something like that.
Oh, that'd be nice.
I don't know.
I think that's Ukraine, isn't it?
Well, that's the thing.
It could be so many places, but it's definitely happening, isn't it?
But anyway, so the effect of all of this, let's go to the next one, Samson, is that the Labour headquarters, what I've affectionately called the Starmer bunker, must be...
There must be just sweat dripping off the walls at this point.
Just absolutely stressed.
Can you imagine what Labour's WhatsApp groups look like on a daily basis?
Well, maybe it looked like that Kaplan guy's Twitter feed.
Well, I'm sure that he's coming up in the WhatsApp groups a lot recently.
He's like, sorry, what's this?
Another scandal?
Oh, brilliant.
Add it to the pile.
And the wheels are coming off the clown car, basically.
And it's very clear.
So the Treasury has turned around to...
Rachel from Accounts, which I've been told that's a very sexist thing to call her.
I don't care.
Yeah, I don't care.
I couldn't care less.
She seems unqualified for that job.
But also, why does she dress for the job that she had, right?
She looks like a middle manager accountant.
That's just exactly what she looks like.
A lot of women in government, though, I've noticed as well, and on the TV, are beginning to look like they're going out.
Like they're going out for a night.
They're going out for a nice dinner or evening, whereas she doesn't.
She just looks like she needs a stylist.
She looks like she's in a Halifax advert.
I've got some great mortgage deals.
That's literally what I think she's saying in that speech.
Oh, really?
No, I don't know.
I've no idea.
But that's what she looks like she's saying, right?
But you are right.
There is a kind of weird...
Like Angela Rayner.
It's like...
I don't know.
She's always wearing red dresses.
Maybe it's just because I'm 50. But I kind of think...
If you're reading the news, I don't want to see your shoulders.
I just want you in business attire.
If you're teaching.
I remember going to one of my kids' private schools.
Parent evenings.
Not private schools.
I don't know where they came from.
And the teacher turned up and...
Really high, barely-could-walking stilettos.
Skin-tight leggings and a vest stop and loads of makeup.
And I just sat there thinking, do you know you're a teacher?
Like, do you know you're a teacher?
And I feel the same with some of these women in sort of positions of power.
You know, just be whatever you're supposed to be.
Wear really smart business attire.
Like, you look like you know what you're doing.
Yeah, don't dress like you're in a Halifax advert.
But anyway, the Treasury has basically been forced to address Rachel Reeves by saying, look, you are going to have to be ruthless in identifying public spending cuts.
So this internal letter that the Times has seen, sorry, the Telegraph has seen, admits that, quote, difficult decisions on budgets will be needed.
As in, you raised twice as much as you needed.
That doesn't cover everything that you're spending.
The country cannot...
Afford the weight of what you are trying to do.
So you are going to have to cut down.
Because of course, this is why the bond market is in uproar at the moment.
Things aren't going well.
And so, Rachel Reeves is reportedly struggling.
So this is from...
Surprise!
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, surprise, shock.
Who could have imagined?
But sources close to the Treasury say the Chancellor is, quote, very depressed, and that her reputation for prudence would have been so quickly destroyed in their claim that she can't see a way out.
She's got choices to make.
She knows they're all, I don't want to swear, but bad.
And she appeared pale and drawn at Prime Minister's question time, which, I mean...
Jesus.
That's not flattering.
No.
The thing is, I don't know, like, where I live, not very far from where I live, you could walk through an estate, and you've got people living next to each other, and some of those people are two people working in the household full-time, and the other thing might be, like, either a single parent or a couple of people who don't really work, living in identical houses, living with identical cars, or maybe sometimes, you know, and going on holiday, and you're like, something...
We have to make work pay.
I remember everyone taking the mickey out of that.
Ian Duncan Smith when he was sort of upset about someone not working and how terrible.
And I was on the left and I probably...
Yeah, I was at the time as well.
I remember this.
And I remember making a video in like 2014 against Ian Duncan Smith.
Yes.
And now that I'm 10 years older, I'm like, no, he did have a point there.
Yeah, absolutely.
We have to...
You have to have purpose.
You just have to have a purpose.
You have to get up and do something for your day and feel like you...
You've achieved something, which is the same as the kids in school, right?
Yeah, yeah.
You just need to have something about you that makes you feel good about yourself.
Maybe she doesn't anymore.
But also, I'm so tired of the obvious injustice of, I get up, I go to work, and I see, I mean, not where I live, but you know that there are people who are getting up and going to work, and then...
Watching their neighbour who's been on benefits for 20 years just come and put the rubbish out or something in his pyjamas and then go back in and start cracking up a beer and watching daytime TV. It's like, that guy shouldn't have a house.
I'm sorry, if you don't work...
I hate to invoke the sort of Lenin perspective, but he who does not work should not eat.
It's like, yeah, that's actually...
A kind of reasonable position, to be honest.
I'd like to also, like, people that can't work, so people that can't work, I'd like them not to have such a terrible subsistence where they can't afford stuff.
And I'm not saying that you kind of make people rich, but it's, you know, when you know that people are fighting for their cars and stuff.
Make sure they're not starving and they're not homeless.
It's not that much.
Yeah, it's...
It's all a little bit backwards in this country where you're sort of, the less you do, the more you're rewarded.
Yes.
And that can't be right.
It can't be right.
And I guess it's an extension of those working class girls and the working class boys we don't care about.
The working class adults that do all the work that we clapped for.
We were so happy.
And we clapped for all of them.
But the people that we clapped for, we now, we have...
Utter disdainful, really.
We don't want to pay them any better.
We kind of think it's bad if they, you know, if they earn anything and we want to make their lives difficult.
But then we also want to, so we don't really want to speak to them.
We want to speak for them when they're useful.
But then the rest of the time we want to make everyone as poor as them.
You know, it's very odd.
We've got, I mean, the threshold for benefits is really high.
And it was actually the Conservatives who capped...
For example, child benefits.
Yes.
26 grand a year or something.
Yes.
It took me, you know, I must have been in my late 20s before I was earning 26 grand.
I wasn't like a high earner when I was young.
And so there have been periods in my life where it just hasn't been worth getting a job because of the amount of benefits you could have got.
And I was a man.
I was a single man.
It's not like I was getting loads of benefits.
I can't even imagine if I had been a single mother with two kids or something, then you're...
could personally ever actually earn on the job market. - Yeah. - And then if you combine that with the fact that the Labour and Conservative parties have been sabotaging the earning potential of British workers by bringing in millions of foreign workers to compete with them, then the labour market becomes a buyer's market rather than a seller's market.
It's like, okay, great, but I'm the seller of labour.
Yeah, and you can't work more than 16 hours a week or something if you're a single mum because then you lose everything.
Exactly, you lose all your benefits and they've got so many regulations and it's just like, right, okay, so they've done everything they can to kind of keep everyone down at the lowest point.
And then they're like, okay, but if this guy or this woman or whatever, if they just want to claim benefits, then we'll give them a house, we'll give them this money, we'll give them spending money.
And it's just like, sorry, I know I'm being taken advantage of.
I know.
And that's just for native Brits.
And then if you look at half of social housing in London is going to people who are born overseas.
It's like, how are people who are born overseas able to claim any benefits in this country?
It's just be off the table.
Well, it's all about GDP, isn't it?
Well, apparently.
I'm sure you know.
But is that contributing to the GDP, is the Deliveroo economy really what this country is going to be based on?
Yes.
Yes, says the Labour government.
Well, no.
If your GDP is here, it doesn't really matter whether every person in the country has got six quid or one pound.
That's correct.
And that's, I think, that's the next thing that people have to understand, that that's what's really happening, because then that stops you going, but what?
But that's exactly why.
Because they don't care for all dirt poor.
It literally does not matter how the money is distributed.
And so bringing in a million more people each year, well, that's a million more £1 that you had.
And you are completely correct on that.
But this system that we're in is why Rachel from Accounts is at the point where she's like, well, look, she's got choices to make and they're all bad.
Well, actually, I'm not sure they are all bad.
Because, I mean, if you said, right, Every one of these fake asylum seekers that we're spending five billion a year on, we just kick them out.
We just literally kick them out.
Well, that's five billion in savings you've made right there.
But the thing is, there are also going to be another series of extraneous costs that this has put on the economy.
For example, I mean, the hotels that they're in, well, they're not actually...
Doing business, are they?
No, I bet they get paid a lot, don't they?
They do, from us.
So that's more money that would go into the economy that would actually start producing growth rather than being sucked up on these people.
And that's just the 180,000 illegals who have managed to break into the country.
If you've got loads of other things, for example, when you go into the NHS, there are loads of people in there every single time, when you're in the waiting room, who just don't speak English.
No, but it's fine because we can get an interpreter.
They're free.
They work for free.
Yeah, they all work for free.
They're just such nice people.
Yeah.
But yeah, you're right.
And even things like school places or walking home, you know, do you still go out and get yourself a little Chinese on the high street if there's a load of men hanging around?
No, you probably don't.
You're probably not going to do that.
So it just has such a dramatic impact.
And also, dual citizenship, if you've got...
If you've got dual citizenship or a passport to another country and you do any slight infringement of our laws, bye!
It's really nice to say, I don't care if you're going to get killed when you get home, but bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.
Honestly, again, it's one of those things where it's like any normal country would have that as a basic standard.
Yes.
It's just why, why would, like the grooming gang.
Perpetrators are the best examples.
Yeah, so the victims now get to, five years later, bump into them in Asda.
It's like, sorry, what?
Why have we left him in the country?
How is he an asset to this country?
He's a danger.
And why is it always Asda?
I don't want to cast shade on Asda.
They haven't done anything wrong.
But the point being, these people cost us lots of money.
They're not...
Good for the economy.
They're not good for the society.
And we don't need them here.
And yet they're still here.
And so Rachel actually has a bunch of really easy decisions.
But those decisions wouldn't be...
Like, woke, liberal, lefty decisions, right?
Because she'd be like, oh, we can't, we can't.
Can we even make those decisions?
Do we have the sovereignty and power to do it?
Because if not, then I think we need to come out of any human rights or any European Court of Human Rights, all of it, just leave it all.
Yeah.
I mean, technically, yes, because the government could, I mean, they've got a massive majority and Keir Starmer is not afraid to use the whip.
So he can come out and say, look, we are going to do this, we're going to do that, we're going to do the other, so we can just get rid of all these people because they shouldn't be here and they could absolutely do it.
But morally, ideologically, they're in a framework where they can't do that.
Winning over the country, my God, wouldn't it?
Well, yeah.
If they did that, I think they could make cock-ups until they leave office.
But if they did that one thing...
Yeah, but you've got to remember, if they did that one thing, there would be a far-right government.
Oh, that means...
And we can't have that.
We can't have a far-right government that actually makes the country better.
Not in name, no.
Exactly.
It'd be a label and there'd be a...
Imagine the response on the Westminster dinner party circuit when Rachel Reeves goes to someone and they're like, sorry, did you kick out a few migrants?
Like, yeah, well, we had to because we're all going bankrupt.
They were rapists.
They were child rapists.
And we were paying for them to live here.
We were literally battery-farming child rapists.
I don't know why.
I've heard people sort of say, yeah, but you know, when they go home, what will happen?
Sorry, why do we care?
Yeah, don't care.
It's not my problem.
No, I don't care.
And I don't care if that person's got a cat and they've got a family life and all this stuff about they have a right to family life.
No, they don't.
And even if they do, I still don't care.
Sorry, why would I worry?
Like, I think the right to not being raped by their dad is more important.
Let's worry about the kids' right to not have a rapist in the house.
And the women.
I mean, you know, in these communities, we're not...
I've talked about this before, but...
You've got the men going out and doing that to white girls, white vulnerable girls, who they obviously thought just deserved it.
And also it was about white men and how we can punish white men by punishing the white girls.
But are we honestly thinking they're nice blokes when they get home?
Are we thinking they're treating their wives and their daughters and their kids well?
Did you see the tweet by, what was her name, Bushra Shike or something the other day?
Is that?
No.
Right, so she's normally a complete defender of...
This community.
And someone had tweeted at her something like, well, isn't it just a coincidence?
You know, sarcastic.
It's not a coincidence.
It's always the white girls, you know, and they don't groom their own.
And she's like, well, you're not ready for that conversation.
And I'm like, oh.
That's a bit dark, isn't it?
But the point is, it shouldn't be our problem.
We're not the masters of the world anymore.
We gave that up in the middle of the 20th century because everyone was like, we want our independence.
I agree, you want your independence over there.
Goodbye.
Why are we paying for this?
Why are we paying untold billions?
There are so many studies that have just got horrific swings in numbers when it comes to immigration costs.
Most of them agree, yeah, this is costing us billions.
We don't have spare money if we can't fund end-of-life care.
As a country, if we don't have the moral decency and the budget to make sure that someone dying of cancer in a hospice, that that hospice doesn't have to raise any money through charitable fundraising, then we don't have any money to look after rapists.
We just don't have it.
I don't think we need the conditional.
We don't have any money to look after foreign rapists.
Yeah, that'll be fine.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's totally fine.
Anyway, so anyway, the rest of the Labour Party is obviously rallying to Reeve's defence, even though everyone is like, she's failing because there's no winning in the system.
We're streeting the health secretary, Mr. I-know-about-the-economy.
Well, you know, I mean, this is tough.
But there have been some people who have been quite good on this.
Nigel has come out and...
Made some noise about things like this.
Rupert Lowe has been giving them absolute hell, particularly over the grooming gang or the Pakistani rape gang issue, but encouraging people, look, if you're unhappy and you would like a national inquiry into the mass rape of white girls by Pakistani gangs, your MP disagrees, email them politely and robustly, and then leaves a link for people to do it.
So you can imagine what the inboxes look like.
At the moment, which can't be good.
Interestingly, they did announce today that they are AI automating their own inboxes.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I was just looking at that graphic on the MPs and Lords.
I thought it was quite interesting.
Very representative, isn't it?
Yeah.
How inclusive.
No wheelchairs, so obviously disabledist.
Although I do believe that a woman is trans.
Sorry, ableist.
Let me just correct myself.
Ableist, you're supposed to say not.
But yes, crazy.
The point being that the wheels are very clearly coming off the clown car because the pressure is getting to them.
I did a podcast last week saying, look, just keep up the pressure.
They can't last forever.
They can circle the wagons on this and just say, no, no, no, no, no.
But it's clear that this is really getting in their heads because, I mean, everyone around them is like, wow, are you actually in defense of the child rapist?
Yes.
Yes, you are.
Yes.
Keir was whipping his party firmly into line on this, but Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester, was like, no, we need an inquiry, and now an MP, Dan Carden, who is the MP for Liverpool Walton, said, no, actually, we do need this.
Says, the public compassion for the victims, thousands of young British working-class girls and children is real.
The public call for justice must be heeded.
It is shocking that people in positions of power, people, people, Labour Party members, Because, again, this is all in labour areas.
This is all in labour-controlled cities.
Everywhere.
Everywhere this time this is labour.
Apart from maybe Oxford, because concerns are terrible.
But mostly in labour areas.
And so, good.
Yeah, good.
Absolutely.
Now, what's Keir Starmer going to do?
Is he going to employ the whip?
Is he going to kick this guy out?
Is he going to admit that there is a problem that he was part of?
Who knows?
But the point is, the cracks are showing.
Rosie Duffield voted against it as well.
Did she?
Yeah.
I mean, she's a big disappointment, I think, generally speaking.
Personally have issues with her.
Hold on, what are the issues with Rosie Duffer?
Rosie Duffer contacted me many, many years ago before I was banned from Twitter for like four and a half years.
That's how many years ago, 2018, 2017. And she was, you know, she felt isolated and she was having issues with the unions and misogyny and like, Dave in a dress.
This sort of time is the height of woke.
Politics in Britain.
Yes.
And so she reached out to me, and then when she got in the WhatsApp sourdough starter anointed group, she sort of dropped me like a stone and pretended that she'd never had anything to do with me.
Yeah, and it's really apparent throughout the whole of the left that they would rather say things like, well, you know, it's not just Pakistani Muslim grooming gang.
Or rape matter.
Yeah, or, well, I've been looking at this myself, but then the BNP took over, so we didn't do this.
And I'm just thinking, just focus on the victims and the rapes.
I don't care if the BNP, I don't care who tried to take advantage or whatever you want to say, and I still don't know if I'd...
If I buy that particular line.
But I'm just, stop trying to evoke kind of, look, I'm not a racist.
I'm not a racist.
Just speak.
Just speak about it and stop trying to second guess that if you say something bad about the far right that suddenly people will go, well, she's definitely not far right because she said something terrible about the BNP. Just let it go.
Don't give it any power.
Just speak about these girls and speak about what's happened and speak about who is doing it to these girls, who turned a blind eye and who maybe has made a little bit of cash on the side and backhanders and so on.
Because I think we'll find drugs, just general corruption as well as maybe police.
There's counsellors and so on involved in the actual raping of these girls.
Well, we know they were.
Several counsellors and two police officers have been sent to jail for being part of the grooming gangs themselves.
But I think you're exactly right on this.
Just do the right thing.
Yes.
The labels they will tie you with are actually not nearly as important as having done the right thing, and you will be redeemed by getting the correct result out of what you're doing.
And again, I feel like this is the most rudimentary thing to have to say.
Come on, this is what I would say to my kids if they were worried.
What will people at school think?
I'm like, well, did you do the right thing, son?
And I'd be like, yeah, I did.
It's like, well, then it doesn't matter what they think, does it?
I mean, yeah, I just want everybody to remember before they try and show...
Little girls were picked up, groomed by sort of young Pakistani Muslim men who were instructed by older Pakistani Muslim men to go and make these girls fall in love.
You know, people are talking about Tate at the moment and he's not too far away from this for me.
Don't worry, I'm not his biggest fan or anything.
Oh, I loathe him so much and I think it's the absolute...
It's so embarrassing when someone with a huge platform on the right and the Conservatives start going, well, I think we should all...
Just listen to his own words, people.
That's what I'm going to say about Tate.
Just listen to the things he says that he's done himself.
So then you've got...
These girls were then in rooms with 10...
Adult males who were all raping them and torturing them at the same time and putting cigarettes out on them.
If you're at all worried about the accusation of far right as opposed to getting justice for that victim, there is something seriously wrong with you.
Yes.
And then when you listen to the court transcripts of...
Why these men did it.
They will say things like, we are the master race, not the whites.
And it's like, right.
So you've actually brought a community of insane racial supremacists over, given them license and cover to victimize the most vulnerable people in our society.
And then when it comes out, the people who are against that, you call far-right racist.
Yeah, you could actually say the rapists were the far-right, right?
With their authoritarian master race.
But then that's still giving the far-right label power and credence, right?
I don't want to do that.
It's like, you know, okay, no.
If being far-right is being against that, that's fine.
I'm totally fine with it.
Because what you're saying is being far-right is the moral thing to be in this circumstance.
And being a leftist who is enabling this is the immoral position.
That's how I feel about that.
So it's like, okay, whatever you say, but like, you know, stop them doing this?
Yes.
Anyway, so things are going badly for Keir Starmer and the public can see it.
And so people getting polled.
How long do you reckon that people think Keir Starmer will last for?
But who would replace him?
This is the thing.
Rachel Reeves, I don't know.
West Street?
West Street, maybe.
I mean, he's been playing a good game.
Hang on.
No.
I think it is time.
It is time that the Labour Party have their first female Prime Minister.
Jess Phillips.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Can you imagine?
I just think they're all so bad.
They're terrible.
I mean, Jess Phillips is better than Angela Rayner because Angela Rayner thinks trans women are women.
Hang on, hang on.
Obviously, but then Jess Phillips probably does too.
Angela Rayner...
I don't think she's that evil, right?
I think Jess Phillips is more evil than Angela Rayner.
Well, Jess Phillips is more of a facade, isn't she?
She's created this character about who she really is, whereas Angela Rayner, I think, is genuinely probably doing her best.
Yeah, I think so.
And I think she comes...
I think it's a shame she's gone down the woke route, because I think her...
Where she came from, I think she might have been a teenage mum, and I think she probably did see the brunt of bad policies.
Like, she lived that.
Jess Phillips, I think, was brought up in a middle-class household bab, me bab.
And I think she's a character.
I don't think she is who she claims to be at all.
So, you know, maybe Angela Rayner, but, you know, Keir Starmer, he's just...
He's such a boring man.
He's too boring to be so evil.
Well, no, he really does embody the banality of evil, doesn't he?
Yeah, he does.
He's literally the most banal man.
If you were going to craft, you couldn't craft a more boring character in a book.
Yeah.
It would be like, okay, but he...
When Keir Starman was like, I don't have a favourite movie or novel.
It's like, everyone's got a favourite movie or novel.
So you couldn't write a character that doesn't enjoy literature or movies or arts in any way, shape or form.
Because it wouldn't be believable.
And yet that guy is in charge of the country.
He's more boring than Major, isn't he?
He's more boring than John Major.
Way more boring.
John Major had a kind of charm about him.
If you look back, he's very dull, don't get me wrong.
But there's a kind of normalcy.
In John Major, right?
You know, where it's like, what's Englishness?
Oh, he's playing cricket on the green.
I can't do his accent or anything, but like, he's playing cricket on the green.
It's like, yeah, okay, that's very boring, and he's very easy to mock on Spitting Image, but like, he's not evil.
I wonder what he would be on Spitting Image.
I wonder what they would accentuate about him.
Maybe just like, yeah, there's nothing, is there?
Exactly.
Maybe that's the point of him.
Maybe, maybe.
But again, just evil bureaucrat.
But the point is, the question, sorry, is how long do you think Keir Starmer is going to last in the public's estimation?
Well, I think people hate him already.
Yes.
I don't know.
I think he'll stay with it.
Really?
Yeah, because I think he's...
I mean, he's obviously Mr. Davos, isn't he?
Yeah.
And he's definitely WDEF. Yeah.
WD-40.
He's definitely, although far less...
WD-40 is useful.
Yeah, that's just...
Yeah, he's WD-40.
No need to say WD-40.
He's definitely WD-40.
He's definitely WD-40.
And, yeah, very frightening, I think, actually, because maybe he's not going to do anything...
He's going to do lots of things that are...
Sort of apathetic and not action.
So he's not going to go out and do something.
He's going to take something away.
He's going to get a committee together.
Yeah, I think so.
So I think he'll last.
You think?
Right, okay.
Well, 68% of the people surveyed in this particular survey think that he'll be out within a year.
Well, maybe.
Which is possible.
I mean, like, it's very...
I've never...
Yeah.
all of the goodwill that they enter into.
So remember, you know, six months ago he was on like 54% in the polls.
Yeah.
You know.
Making Rishi look amazing, isn't he?
Oh, yeah.
You know, he's making Rishi look really likeable.
And also, I'll tell you what was a real shocker for me, was Ed Miliband doing this, like, happy post about, we've, you know, it's the last coal furnace to close, and it was like this celebration of, and I'm like, you are the Labour, do you know you're the Labour Party?
You know, the opposition to closing the coal mines, where, you know, I think in...
500 years' time, we'll look back and go, I can't believe we ever sent anyone down into coal mines to get lung disease and what a terrible thing to do.
But actually, when Thatcher was doing it, it wasn't she evil for closing down that industry.
And then, you know, within my lifetime, you've got a Labour MP going, oh, isn't this great?
We just shut down this furnace.
And I'm like, for what?
For fuel that doesn't make any sense.
I don't see any sun.
For the highest energy prices in the developed world.
That's what we pay.
Mine are...
I've lived in my house since 2015. I've paid to my gas and electricity company £37,000.
£37,000.
£1,000.
You know, I should ask my...
My wife deals with the bills in our house, but she is constantly going on about how they're so expensive.
That is unbelievable.
Well, I phoned them because they billed me.
They found, like, £7,000 in 24 hours, and I was like, there's something up.
Yeah, yeah.
So we looked through it, and I said, aside from the fairground that we've got in the garden, I just can't...
And the small estate of like 25 houses.
I just can't think what it is, but yeah, it's just...
The Tesla cars that you charge every day, yeah.
Apart from that.
Apart from that.
But just, I can't imagine what it's like.
I mean, my house isn't that big either, but I can't imagine what it's like to be absolutely up to the wire.
With heating bills, but it's terrible.
But I mean, neither can Ed Miliband, which is why he's interested in shutting down the last coal plant and making sure that it's wind-powered, which is way more expensive than every other form of electricity.
Again, genuine clown country.
Like, who is it?
I was watching.
Oh yeah, Liz Truss.
I was watching an interview with Liz Truss on some podcast the other day.
And she's like, why aren't homeowners out in the streets going, why are my bills so goddamn high?
You know, why is it farmers?
You know, okay, don't get me wrong, I totally support the farmers and that's important.
But the average person who's just got bills to pay is surely like, okay, can this go on forever?
Because this is ridiculous.
I wonder how they are paying them as well.
You know, people that already kind of...
When people say, oh, I'm heating or eating, and, you know, I've never really understood...
I've never been in that position.
But just our government saying things like, oh, we'll have solar panel.
And you're like, I've looked at the sky.
I don't think we can do it.
You can find maps of sunlight hours per year, right?
We are the lowest...
In the world.
England and Scotland literally get less sunlight than Russia and Alaska.
It's all those misty days.
It really is, right?
It's because we don't get really hot or really cold.
But the point is, anywhere on Earth else would be better for solar panels.
And obviously it should just be nuclear, right?
There's literally no...
Little nuclear plants.
Little local ones.
Rolls-Royce literally have a line of modular nuclear plants.
I calculated it using the government's own stats the other day.
All you need is six nuclear plants to power every home in the UK, right?
And so, okay, well, let's assume I'm suddenly in charge of the Labour Party.
I'd be like, okay, well, we will have government-owned nuclear plants and we will provide that electricity to your house for free, right?
So no one has to pay an NNG bill.
Now, that'll cost about £130 billion, right?
Yes.
So, about 10 minutes of NHS spending, right?
It'll be like Libya.
But it would be like Libya.
And it'd be like, okay, so suddenly you don't have electricity bills.
Well, that'd be a lovely thing, like £37,000 off your plate.
Well, what would we spend it on?
We'd all go and spend it.
Yeah, exactly.
I'd buy things.
You know, I'd buy electric heaters, electric cooker.
Yeah.
And that, okay, if that's working, we'll extend that to the businesses then.
Yes.
You know?
Okay, well then...
Great, now they don't have energy bills to pay either.
Can you imagine?
We'd be like Norway, somewhere like Norway, wouldn't we?
And it's all completely technologically possible.
It's all right there, and yet...
Ed Miliband's, like, with his stupid Wallace and Gromit face being like, hey guys, I built a bloody wind plant.
And it's all a lie, right?
Because basically all they're doing is they're funneling money into their own interests.
Yeah, probably.
Because it's, I don't think, it's a bit like the Al Gore documentary that was like, oh, why didn't we switch to this?
What do you own, Al?
What is it that you've got investments in?
Oh, I see.
Oh, God.
I tell you what, man, it's just making me, like, what I love is when they start talking about climate change and global warming in the winter.
I'm like, no, I'm totally for it at this point.
No, I'm not.
Don't put that on YouTube.
YouTube literally has regular, you can't.
Someone was saying, oh, it was an Australian and it was such a great little video and he's like, oh, so now they're saying that there's some, it's hotter than it's ever been.
It's not, it's Australian summer.
It's like this every year.
You've seen the maps, right, where it's like a map from 10 years ago where it's like 33 degrees around and it's just in green because I've seen it.
And now it's like 29 degrees but it's blood red like hell itself has opened up.
It's like, look, I'm old enough to remember that this is not warm.
Climate change, global warming.
I mean, we've had many incarnations of new technologies and I won't go through any of the conspiracy stuff that I might talk to you about off air, but it's very, it's just proper, it's proper dodgy and you can never believe somebody who stands to make a fortune out of the things that they're telling you.
You just can't.
No, but not only that, it's not just the money either, it's the...
One-sided nature of a narrative.
Whenever anyone gives me a one-sided narrative, I'm just like, okay, but there are downsides to everything.
Yes.
And if you can't admit that there are some downsides, and I'm not saying it's going to be an entirely mitigating factor, you know, you might be right about a certain thing, but why did Barack Obama buy beachfront property?
Like, if he believes in all of this, like, you know, sorry, I don't, I think you're just lying to me.
But anyway, so the point on this, again, this won't be on YouTube because we can't say any of those things, but the point being two-thirds of people think that Keir Starmer's going to be out within a year.
So we did our 2025 bingo card on Lads Hour the other day, and one of mine was Keir Starmer out, Nigel Farage in.
Now, I'm not saying that it's going to happen, but it's got to go on the bingo card, so when it does happen, I can cross it off, right?
Okay.
So, like I said, it's not a prediction.
It's just a possibility that, you know, there is a possible future in which Keir Starmer's government does essentially collapse because...
Well, they are cancelling elections, aren't they?
They are.
Which is very dangerous.
They are, but I think there's something more to the common narrative to that that's been going around.
I haven't looked into it, though.
Although I don't think it's entirely cynical on stuff.
No, they're merging councils and stuff, which is going to be crap for everybody.
Yes, that's going to be...
Because we're just going to get dire...
There's fewer people...
If you thought your council was bad now...
Ours is so bad.
Ours isn't too bad, but it's not great.
We spent about four million on widening a pavement that nobody walks on.
Yeah.
There's lots of that.
Wastage.
Yeah, a huge amount.
So in our one, there's a bike track that I used to ride on to get to work every day.
and they needed to do something to it, to put a pipe underneath it.
But for some reason, they couldn't actually just re-tarmac the whole thing, or just put tarmac on it, because of a regulation.
Because 10 years ago, someone had been siphoning money out, or something like that.
And so now it could only be on new bike tracks that this money could be used, so they couldn't just redo the old one.
It's like, okay, but that's your own stupid regulation.
Yes.
Oh, God, the local councils are terrible.
So imagine a local council that's even less accountable to you, and that's the future of the United Kingdom.
Ah, that's great.
Yeah, it's brilliant, which is just amazing.
Which is why Nigel Farage is neck and neck with the Labour Party and is trouncing the Conservatives.
Because, I mean, you know, lots of people have got their problems with Farage, and of course I do too, but he's at least not the rest of them.
But if Conservatives get it together, then...
Pardon?
God forbid.
Well, if they do, then they'll...
That's the reform vote, isn't it?
I mean, I know they're taking from Labour as well because I think a lot of working class, like proper...
If you're a working class person voting for Labour because they're for the working...
You can't vote for Labour anymore.
That's not why you're voting for Labour.
They're a bourgeois party.
They're not a working class party.
But I do think if the Conservatives get it together, and Kemi Badenow, I quite like her, but I feel she's a bit WEF, but if she can, or WTF, I'm one of the two, if she can get it together, then I think the Conservatives could come back in fashion, but it will take a couple of years.
There's a bit of a...
I don't mind Kemi Baden-Lock.
She seems fine, right?
On a personal level, she seems fine.
Policy-wise, she seems all right.
But there's something really jarring about a woman being put in charge of the Conservative Party, getting up and going, we need less immigration.
It's like, you are an immigrant.
Yeah, I wonder about it as well.
In America, you can't become president if you're not born in America.
There's a little bit of me that thinks...
You know, and I really like her, and I wish she had been born here so she could still lead the Conservative Party, but there's a little bit of me that's like...
I think she actually was born here, but then...
Oh, well then, that's fine.
Then I make no comment.
The point is, she grew up in Nigeria, she thinks of herself as a Nigerian, and now she immigrated to Britain.
After, you know, when she was like 20 or whatever.
And now she's in charge of the Conservative Party, you know, we need fewer immigrants.
Yeah, but I wonder, is an educated Nigerian woman more conservative than many conservatives?
And if she is, then wait.
I'm not saying she's not, but like, why do we have to outsource our nativism to foreigners?
Well, we do though, don't we?
Because they're the only people who may be allowed to talk about it without being accused of being far right.
But that's the point, isn't it?
You know, the reason we don't have half-decent native.
It's because we're all like, oh, well, don't call me a name.
And so there's something a bit inauthentic about it, right?
And Keir Starmer actually has been thrashing Kemi Bade knock on the immigration issue because it is her party that let in millions more immigrants than Labour ever actually let in.
And they put one in charge of the bloody party.
Do you think it's Cameron?
Do you think his legacy, like Cameron and Blair were very close, weren't they?
Definitely.
It's very interesting.
I'm definitely on the side of, I would call myself a nationalist now, as opposed to a globalist.
If that's the dichotomy, we're all nationalists now.
Yeah, because otherwise you have no access to democracy.
And I don't think people are like, oh, democratic.
And I was like, look, I would have voted to remain.
I would have.
I did, rather.
And then within about three months when I saw democracy was being tested, I was like, oh, no, well, I'll vote to leave then.
No, I believe in democracy above everything.
I've always been a kind of autistic person when it comes to Brexit.
I would rather live in a cave and not have the rules made by some bureaucrat in Brussels.
I'd rather live in a cave and at least walk over to the other cave and go to my local cave councillor and say, why aren't you fixing the bike track?
Rather than have to then email the EU or something.
Weirdly, I watched a podcast with Paul Mason, who was actually the communist.
And he was like, look, he was talking about Brexit.
He was like, you've got to understand English radicalism.
It's always been about sovereignty.
It's like, well, we have been a sovereign island for a thousand years.
Why wouldn't it be?
Yeah.
Why wouldn't we have that in our heads?
I mean, like most other countries.
You can find maps of Europe.
That are animated over a thousand years.
And the borders of England just don't change.
They just don't change.
We've been the same for a long time.
Whereas all over the continent, you see the borders flipping around.
That's the beauty of being an island, right?
It is, yeah.
It is exactly the beauty of being an island.
And you can see why we would think differently about our country than they think about theirs.
Because their countries change.
Our country doesn't change.
We don't bleed our language either.
So, you know, it's not like we've...
For the last however many years, it's not like our, you know, if you're on the border of many countries, there's like hybrid languages and people speak multiple languages.
We're like very single language.
Well, the English language as well, like, it's been fairly stable, to be honest.
Like, you can read Shakespeare.
Like, that's 500 years that there's been a direct linguistic consistency and continuance there.
Like, it's, like you say, it's...
Anyway, the point being, I'm quite a nativist at this point.
I'm just tired of everything.
Because I just feel taken advantage of.
We are being totally taken advantage of.
Anyway, let's go to some comments.
Sorry to leave these to the end, guys.
Normally we do the comments as we're going through, but there's too much going on.
No, it's alright.
Akral says...
Back in the first segment, work behaviour at work, home behaviour at home, closet behaviour in the closet, jail behaviour in jail.
You know, I agree with that.
Yes, me too.
What would you even disagree with there?
Well, I mean, I suppose you'd be a Labour Party member and you would say jail behaviour in the party.
OPH UK says, demand an international US-led investigation.
Now, the thing...
I really appreciate Elon Musk drawing attention to this, obviously, and just raining down fire on the Labour Party.
That's been amazing.
But if we, again, outsourcing the ability to solve the problems is entirely the problem that the British right has.
We're prepared to go, oh yeah, but this person from overseas can do it because I don't want to be called far right.
It's like, no, we're going to have to step through the fire of being called far right and go, okay, fine, we're the far right now.
It's now or never, right?
And I kind of think, okay, this has been bubbling on for, what, 60, 70 years, some people argue, and...
And we've known about it.
I've known about it for 20 years.
Most people know about it.
And he's raised the issue.
I don't care whether he lost a bet or whether he thinks it's the most pressing issue on the earth.
I don't really care.
I just want us to now say, right, it ends now.
We just stop it now.
And it's still going on.
Yes.
And the Conservative Party knows it.
In 2023, it was actually Suella Braveman under Rishi Sunak who put in a series of, like, a task force to essentially go to the police.
And be like, you actually have to arrest the paedophiles.
You actually have to.
And the police will say, yeah, but they are brown.
It's like, that doesn't matter, actually.
You might get two weeks suspended sentence or something.
I mean, something terrible.
Exactly, yeah.
We need to make sure they get those suspended sentences.
So, yeah, so I appreciate...
Musk's intervention here, and I'm glad that he did.
And it's been a wonderful way to start the year.
In fact, just again, raining fire down on Labour.
But it has to be something internal.
It's our fault, and it's our thing to fix.
Dragon Lady says, the Labour government seems awfully Nazi.
I mean, Nancy.
Slip of the tongue.
It's like, well, it's kind of a bit of both, to be honest.
OPH UK again says, when reform get into power, they should ask Trump if they can borrow Tom Homan once he's sorted a thing out in the US. Do you know who he is?
No.
So he's the border side.
Oh, yes.
He's so great.
I know, he's great.
How are you going to prevent family separation or deport the whole family?
That'll do, I suppose.
But yeah, he's uncompromising, which is nice.
And if only we could have some energy like that here.
Well, he feels very American, right?
When he speaks, he feels like a gun-toting, kind of true American man.
Which is like, I went to Oklahoma.
Looks like he's made of clay.
He's so good, yes.
Love him.
Yeah, yeah, I did as well.
Bali Saka says, we need to reframe the mass immigration of third world men into the UK as a women's rights issue.
This has been a successful tactic in Europe, particularly among the younger generation.
Well, it's completely true that it's a women's rights issue.
Yeah, which is why most large so-called feminists...
Platforms, organisations, women, single kind of women who are paid well to be feminists, say nothing about it at all.
And if they do even slightly mention it, as we discussed earlier, they will say, oh, but the BMP or this person or that person, I'm no fan of this.
They use caveats because the raping of women and girls is not enough.
It's actually secondary.
Yeah, it is.
To their own perception of their own reputation.
Yeah.
I mean, I've been beaten over the head repeatedly.
I made comments on one of the riots and I was like...
You know, if people listen to, they don't get frustrated enough to want to cause criminality.
And there's bad people always.
I mean, obviously not in BLM. That was totally...
They were just peaceful.
Nothing ever happened.
They were wonderful.
But, yeah, so we've just got to focus on those victims.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I totally agree.
And the first thing that Keir Starmer did with the Southport riots, instantly politicised.
Far right riot.
It's like, okay, now it's a political position.
And what you've done is you've rendered it out of bounds.
Which is recruitment, right?
Let's say there is a far right.
I think if there is a far right, it's very small.
But if there is, and I wanted to recruit, if I decided I was the matriarch of the far right, then I would tell everyone, they won't listen to you, they won't listen to you, they're calling you names anyway, you might as well come and join me.
Yeah.
I think you'd probably get some recruits.
I'm not the matriarch of the far right.
Let me just say, I'm not.
They will absolutely say you are.
But that's the point, though.
We've just got to ignore the labels.
The labels are irrelevant.
Again, we're for the right thing, and that's just as far as it goes.
Yes.
Scott says, this episode is a morning chat show vibe, but really based.
Kelly is the best.
Always be your own apologetic self.
Thanks so much.
That's good.
I'm kind of annoyed that I prepared so much because I would have just enjoyed just...
Oh, I'm so sorry.
No, no, it's my fault.
It's my fault.
Not Just String says, if Starmer is kicked out, then it's probably because the government is going bankrupt, which presumably is a general election territory.
Zero seats means zero pounds.
Well, it would have to be, essentially, the Labour Party itself would have to remove Starmer in the same way that Conservatives remove trusts.
And it's unlikely that they will, but...
It could be that things...
I mean, things are really bad after six months.
Yeah, but if they know what they want to do, and if they understand that his vision is their vision, and therefore he can do all the bad stuff, take all the flack, wear it, and then they can get rid of him when all the crap is done, and then somebody else comes in, I'm sure there will be some nasty little coup somewhere, and someone else can come in and go, now I'm going to do the great thing.
I think that's likely, so maybe prepare for quite a lot more crap.
It is, yeah, no, it's entirely possible.
I worry, well, I don't worry, I hope, that there's only so much reputational damage a party can take, though, and if Starmer drives them down to, like, 15% in the polls or something, it's like, are you even a major party at that point?
But they've got at least four more years.
Well, yeah, legally.
But morally, I mean, like, the Conservatives didn't have to remove those trusts, but they did because they were worried about the effect downstream.
Because, I mean, okay, yeah, we could sit for four years with this insanely unpopular Labour government that everyone wants to go, but, like, that's going to ruin the reputation and future of the Labour Party itself.
And so if Keir Starmer cares about that...
Which there's no evidence to suggest he does.
If he cares about that, then he would do the honourable thing and resign, right?
But, again, we don't know.
We don't know how bad the crises are going to get.
And we don't know how they're going to do it.
Like, if they do well in local council elections, if they get absolutely mullered, which I'm hoping they will...
Then that's a different message, isn't it?
But even if they retain half their seats or whatever, or half the councils, then I think they might take that as a message of support.
So maybe he won't go quite so early.
Entirely possible.
I mean, like I said, there's nothing that's going to physically force him.
But the circumstances could get so dire that even his own advisors are like, look, Matt, I intended to be here for 20 years, not three.
I wonder how they will go at the next elections because conservatives might not still feel very...
I wonder if reform is really going to wipe...
Well, I mean, if...
Wipe everyone out.
I don't know if the map's on this one, but there are people who have been posting what this would look like on a map.
And, I mean, this is literally a quarter of the country going reform.
So...
Who knows?
They're already the second party in the North.
Well, I did say Trump would get elected and save the world.
I'm yet to be proven wrong.
And I know loads of people have got problems with Farage, but I don't mind him.
He's fine.
He's the best we've got.
You know, it's fine.
He's come from nothing.
I'm not necessarily his biggest fan.
I'm a bit 50-50, but he decided...
By hook or by crook, we were going to come out of the European Union.
He started that and he did that YouTube channel.
I'm sure you might have been doing stuff back then as well, like real early adopters.
And he made us come out.
And I don't know whether he's a sincere man.
I think he probably is.
I think he's been routinely attacked.
And I think he sounds more like, when he speaks, that he's saying something he believes over most anybody else.
Yeah.
I mean, the thing is, people who don't do the sort of thing we do have got to remember that the incentives are all against you.
Yeah.
You're going to get deplatformed.
You're going to get demonetized.
You are going to get possibly prosecuted.
You are going to find that everywhere you go, there is a cabal of communist agitators who will physically attack you.
The media will smear your good name.
Anytime anyone looks you up, there are a horrific series of articles calling you whatever.
All of the incentives are against it.
If you are going to grift something, this is the wrong thing to grift.
Go and grift anything else, your life will be a lot easier.
To do this on a long-term basis, you have to truly believe.
Yeah, you'd be better doing Avon.
You'd make more money.
You'd be easier.
Anything.
Anything else would probably be more profitable and easier to do.
So, like, I mean, it might be different in America or something like that where they've got a much bigger ecosphere, but in Britain, this is not something you grift into because it's way too much work.
No, yeah.
So, yeah, I suspect Farage is sincere, and I don't really think there's any reason to doubt that.
The question, like, he's just, oh, I'm not far right.
It's like, Nige, you are the far right, mate, all right?
You know, from their perspective, you are the far right.
It's fine.
Just step through it.
Yeah.
Step through it.
I mean, I was on with Piers Morgan.
He was like, are you proud to be transphobic?
I was like, well, yeah, all right.
Then if I meet women's rights, yeah.
Yeah, okay, I'll be transphobic.
And then they don't know what to say.
And then he's like, well, you know, well, transphobia means...
I was like, well, you just got called transphobic.
So what does it mean?
But I think, yeah, with Farage and some of the other stuff that he's been asked about and he keeps denying, I just think, just say...
That's a ridiculous question.
Or, okay, whatever you want to call me, that's fine, but I want to talk about this.
Just move past it.
I hate to say it, but we are out of time.
Okay, sorry.
No, no, it's my fault, not yours, not yours.
But right, Kelly, where can people find more?
Well, you can go to letwomenspeak.org and you can come to one of our events and buy some merch.
I'm a man.
Am I allowed to go to these events?
Yes.
Oh, okay, just checking.
Well, look, we say if you have a vagina, you might speak first, but men are more than welcome.
This is our, it's all of our problem, right?
Everything that I talk about, whether it's men, like giant Daves in your changing rooms, or whether it's the grooming gang stuff, whatever it is, it's all of our issue.
It's just often in movements, women sort of just get pushed aside a little bit.
So I just, I'm a bit unapologetic in centering them.
I quite like men.
It's weird.
Because a lot of the men I know are dads and are really concerned about this.
Yeah, of course.
So, you know.
But, right, okay, well, go to LetWomenSpeak.org, was it?
.org, was it?
.org, and at Posie Parker on Twitter are my most frequent places.