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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters.
	And today I'm joined by Carl and special guest, David Atherton.
	Thank you.
	I'm very flattered you've asked me down here.
	So, for people who don't know, David's a very good friend of the show.
	I'm always putting out stuff, which I must say we're grateful for.
	Also, he's a commenter in your own right and doing many good things.
	Yeah, obviously.
	The last few weeks, I've been particularly busy, actually.
	And I even did LBC work.
	I'm a regular on Talk TV Friday nights, Loose Men.
	So I've been doing that.
	I started off doing it every sort of three weeks and then went up to two weeks and now they tend to get me on a weekly basis.
	So 11 o'clock Fridays, tune in and you can hear some really frank views from people like myself and the people I work with.
	All right.
	Well, today we're going to be talking about Ilhan Omar spilling the beans, ladies don't take the bog pill, and the MAGA border, which will just be good fun.
	So there we are.
	Yeah.
	I have a couple of announcements to make.
	So firstly, we have an announcement, which is, I believe, after this.
	So at 3pm UK time, so 30 minutes after the podcast ends, there'll be a Rumble Live.
	This is number nine, the total collapse of the Conservatives.
	Open Brackets Party, which... Yeah, nothing actually conservative about them.
	There's also an announcement, which is apparently from this week onwards, lads, I'll be moving to Friday 3pm instead of Thursday.
	So, I don't know.
	Fill in your calendars.
	I assume you all had it for the rest of the year put in, and now you'll have to cross it out and move it in day.
	Obviously.
	Yes.
	It crans out.
	Anyway, let's begin, shall we, with the news.
	Do we have good news?
	Ilhan Omar is now my favourite person because she decided to just tell everyone that the right wing of the Anglosphere are entirely correct.
	In fact, they're understating the threat of mass immigration.
	We will go further than they believe.
	And she did all this speech in Somali, thinking no one would translate it.
	Ah yes, Google Translate doesn't exist anymore.
	Thank you, Ilhan.
	Right, to be fair, Somali is probably one of the weirder languages in the world that you're not going to translate often, but here it is.
	Now, we're not going to play it because it's all in, you know, foreign, but you can read the subtitles there, I suppose.
	I've written the cliff notes and I'll say them, I suppose.
	So the main point is that Somalis are of the same blood and are an organized society.
	I mean, that's definitely debatable, right?
	I mean, if you've seen Somalia, yeah.
	Yeah, that's... I mean, that's... Funnily enough, I was doing some research on this yesterday.
	I did a Control F... I got the Somali page, Somalia page.
	I put Control F Civil War.
	I had 24 references.
	Yeah, just... Just, yeah.
	Anyway.
	So the other aspect there is on the blood thing.
	She says that Somalis are also Somali first and Muslim second.
	And I think that first point, getting back to, I mean, obviously it's untrue in the motherland, but it's true in America is what she's saying too, which is Somalis may be from different tribal groups and in the homeland, they'd all be killing each other over a Mars bar, but in the United States, well, they are one group with one voice and one influence.
	I believe her.
	In fact, she goes on to say that Somalis in the United States are the greatest source of power for Somali irredentism.
	I didn't realize most people didn't know about Somali irredentism.
	Sorry, I don't know what irredentism means.
	Irredentism means the reclamation of lost lands.
	Oh, okay.
	So the Germans claiming Alsance Lorraine.
	Italians claiming the Roman Empire.
	Somalia claiming the Great Somalian Empire.
	No British London, you know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The English in London, yeah.
	We have our own irredentist claims.
	They also say that on this topic, because the United States wants to sign an agreement with Ethiopia and Somaliland, which is a province of Somalia that claims independence, because the rest of Somalia is mental.
	Fundamental reason being that Somaliland was occupied by the British, so it's a functioning society.
	The rest of Somalia was occupied by the Italians, and for some reason is babdiboopy chaos.
	So there we are.
	But she says that Somalis in the U.S.
	are going to thwart this deal because they are the biggest source of power to thwart the ability to stop Somali irredentism.
	Because there are Somalis in the U.S.
	acting as a fifth column to thwart U.S.
	interests in favor of Somali interests.
	This is her words, this is her description of immigration.
	But once you get those groups here, they will do this.
	She then also goes on to say, Somalia is for Somalis only.
	That's a... Oh, is it?
	Ending statement.
	Right.
	Now, real quick I suppose, we'll just take a look at the Greater Somali Empire.
	Right, okay.
	Shaded in green here on this Wikipedia map.
	I mean, that's quite a large area to be fair.
	Yeah, so the old dictator, before it became a joke chaos state, tried to claim all of this.
	There was a big war.
	We sided with the Ethiopians and then sided with Somalians for a period because Cold War was weird.
	And well, it all failed.
	And the people got ethnically cleansed.
	The situation was considered settled.
	But of course, the Somalis are never going to believe that.
	Nothing in Africa is ever settled.
	So they want to go to war with Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya.
	Which, um, you don't even have a currency, so... Right, um, yeah, she actually, well, how she got to America, she actually fled to Kenya in the first place.
	Indeed.
	So, in 1995 I think that was, and then she was given asylum in America.
	What gratitude does she show?
	Yeah.
	Well, she does show great gratitude to the motherland.
	And that's the fundamental thing that came out of this entire speech.
	The place she was chased out of.
	Yeah, so even in a situation in which someone flees a genuine war, they're a refugee granted asylum in a first world nation like the United States, and then are given all the opportunities, all of the ability to see this is definitely better than Somaliland, if not the rest of Somalia.
	Still not on board.
	This person was still not on board.
	Became an elected representative.
	You know, gets paid handsomely out of the taxpayer.
	Still not on board with the American project.
	Still not on board with the idea that America should come first, if not the only thing that should come, if you're talking as a citizen.
	Instead, the thing that should come in her mind is her old tribe.
	Yes.
	Somalia.
	And this is a real tough problem that I think the entire Western world has been dealing with.
	The Eastern world understands, and takes weird precautions against it.
	Well, you know, isn't this the problem generally with many people that settle in the West?
	Their first port of call is their home country, the country they came from, rather than Britain itself, or the country they're living in in the West.
	Yeah, but the fundamental thing, the other thing, they're trying to serve two tribes.
	They're trying to serve, in her particular case, the American tribe and also the Somalia tribe.
	So when it comes down to it, because we always, in the West, it's a thing where you can have dual citizenship, for example, and in the East it's just not.
	And the reason for this comes down to, do you believe that someone can support two tribes?
	And that breaks down a point of, well, what about U.S.
	versus Somali interests in the case of Somalia-Identism?
	Yeah, well, a cynical person would say that she's actually not trying to serve two tribes.
	She's exploiting one tribe for the benefit of the other.
	Well, that is her own words, actually.
	Oh, okay.
	A cynical person or an honest Somali politician... Yeah.
	...might tell us.
	I was being... Lighting the candle at both ends, put us out of things.
	Yeah, I was trying to be polite in the sense that you could have someone who was trying to hide it, but she's definitely not one of them.
	So basically what Ilhan Omar is, is a colonialist.
	Yeah.
	She's not an immigrant, she's a Somalian colonialist living in America.
	And I don't even blame her for having sentimental bonds that are stronger to her native land and people than to some place she fled to as a refugee.
	We should just bear that in mind.
	Yeah, of course.
	And this isn't news either.
	I mean, every other group of significance that has acted in this way has been open about it in the West.
	Smiley's just one of them.
	Yeah, but she's made a living out of it though.
	Absolutely.
	I do want to give a fair point, because I know what she's going to say in response, because she's a Somali Muslim, which is... Or a racist.
	Well, no, because, I mean, this guy says that tens of millions of US citizens are acting in the same regards with their same groups.
	And she would say, well, what about Israel?
	She wouldn't have a terrible argument.
	There are people in the United States who put Israel before the United States.
	Nikki Haley saying she's one of them here.
	Well, most American politicians are in this position.
	For people who can't see, we're reading a tweet from her where she says, it has never been that Israel needs America.
	It has always been that America needs Israel.
	How did America get by before 1948?
	Who knows? .
	How do they defeat the Nazis?
	I look upon myself as a Zionist, but even I don't go that far.
	Yeah, that's bonkers.
	That's why.
	But that bonkers mentality does perpetuate the United States.
	It's a real thing.
	And it's a mirror image of that situation.
	It's become sort of right-wing virtue signalling in America.
	Yeah, which is really cringe.
	Embarrassing, yeah.
	Because, of course, if you're right-wing, by definition, you should be fighting for your tribe, and your tribe there is the Americans, and therefore American interests trump every other nation's.
	But no, instead, foreign group I'm obsessed with trump my own nation's interests.
	Well done to Lauren Chen for ratioing her, though.
	Yeah.
	Very good.
	And it's not the only one, of course.
	I mean, in more recent times, well, actually less recent times, Ukraine as well.
	Looking at this one.
	America can't survive without Ukraine.
	You can take an argument on the other side of the Ukrainian war.
	Absolutely.
	But if we're talking about Mr. Biden, let's be frank, he doesn't give a shit.
	He only cares because he's got financial interests in Ukraine.
	That's just transparent.
	The military industrial complex and all that.
	Yeah, not to mention his son with charisma.
	Yes, of course.
	Yes.
	You know, he's got to keep the family end up, isn't he?
	And I just want to thank Ilhan Omar for bringing up this conversation, if nothing else, because it's evident that this is the case.
	I mean, Somalia for Somalis only is also quite a bold statement.
	Yeah, I'll get it back on her if we want to say more about it, because it is a hell of a speech for someone in any position to say.
	Somalia is for Somalis only.
	Yeah.
	So there's 45% of Somalia's population are not even ethnic Somalis.
	Now let's talk about London.
	She's fredding on thin ice there, isn't she?
	That's quite a appalling thing to say.
	She would be if her skin colour was lighter.
	By liberal standards, yes.
	I don't even... I get what you mean by the American context.
	They judge everything in the mainstream by whiteness or whatever.
	Yeah.
	But obviously that's not true, because if you talk to Russians or Polish or anything else, like, they're all able to deal with ethnic terms.
	That's perfectly normal.
	Yep.
	It's just the... I suppose the Anglosphere and the bits cut off next to it are the ones who can't.
	And it's just mad that instead we're like, oh, everyone will just become like us and think that their ethnic identity doesn't matter.
	What have you been smoking?
	Where have you got that idea from?
	But also it makes us look really, really silly to these people because they know the world doesn't work like that.
	And they know that we think that it does.
	And so they know they can spout the Western platitudes to one audience and then go back to the home audience and say, no, the Somalis are winning in America because we are taking everything we can from them and enriching ourselves from it.
	And they're too stupid to recognize what we're doing.
	That was the thing that Yasser Arafat was always accused of, of saying one thing to the Americans and saying one thing to the Palestinians back at home.
	I'm sure that's because that's what he did.
	But it's funny how for us that's a criticism of him, whereas in the rest of the world that's just him being smart.
	If you were to say he lies to the Americans, that's not actually criticism of him, that's he's on our side.
	Well, I say that was also disingenuous as well.
	Well yeah, of course, but when you're dealing with national interests, that's all that matters for these groups?
	Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm horribly naïve.
	Sorry guys, I try to be fair in life, you know, and be consistent in my views.
	But you should take them as they present themselves, I think.
	Because that's what we're looking at here.
	I mean, you're perfectly right.
	I mean, the way we come to these issues is usually, well, let's say people at their best and deal with good faith.
	But when you're dealing with a group here, I mean, the particular group in that room and her herself, saying we will literally exploit the United States for our own irredentist claims.
	Sure.
	There is no good faith.
	And also she's going to pose as a left winger while she's in the United States.
	So now she's found a philosophy that actually facilitates and encourages that.
	Well, you know, it's white supremacy in the United States.
	I've been a victim of racism my whole life, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm a hardcore Somali ethno now.
	Ethno-nationalist.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	Basically, it's something a lot lighter, to use your word, to something like that in Britain, or in America, you know, in the same context.
	They'd be denounced on a far right basis.
	Well, they may well be arrested.
	Yeah.
	Saying something like that.
	On your left wing point, because I have a story to tell, which is that I don't actually see this again in the West.
	We go, Oh, you're left wing, but you believe back home Somalia for the Somalis.
	And it's a criticism like that Yaffa Arafat thing.
	But of course, in that context of if you're a Somali or a dentist, again, that's not a criticism of her.
	She's so smart.
	She's able to play these, you know... I was going to say, like, white vampires or something that I don't know, because I don't know what slurs they use for us, but I'm sure they've got one.
	But the... I think they just call us idiots.
	Yeah, probably.
	But the story we're going to tell is that this isn't rare either.
	The best example I can think of is Joseph Polsitzky for Poland.
	So during the Russian Empire and the First World War, he joined the socialists to try and get Polish independence for Poland because he was a Polish nationalist.
	And then once they finally got it, he had a meeting with all the socialists and said to their faces, up until now, I have been on the tram of socialism, but the next stop is independence.
	I must get off, which is him saying to their face, I've been playing you, you mugs, bye.
	Which, of course, none of the Polish nationalists disliked him for doing that.
	They were like, oh man.
	Sure.
	Instant depreciation.
	But getting back to the U.S.
	interests, because I was making the point that, of course, U.S.
	interests should come first if you're the U.S.
	on our podcast.
	But it's not.
	U.S.
	interests should come first if you're a Nazi.
	I think some of the things you'll find interesting is the U.S.
	interests dissipate in some places as well because there may be conflict but the U.S.
	suddenly isn't that interested.
	I mean Libya is what I'm thinking of which once upon a time people cared about for five minutes and then there's the Western-backed government there but nothing's going there.
	Never is on the news, no one cares about it.
	Afghanistan, I mean that disappeared.
	I know the U.S.
	lost in everything but again there's no money to be made so that's the point.
	And then Sudan.
	Well, I think the Chinese have filled the vacuum in Afghanistan.
	Yeah.
	The Americans literally can't get drilling rights.
	Yeah.
	So they're not going to do any mineral mining.
	You know, and I'll tell you something, losing Colonel Gaddafi out of Libya has been a disaster for the West.
	It's been a disaster for Libya.
	Yeah, as well as.
	Disaster for everyone.
	Whether you like Gaddafi or not.
	Yeah.
	Just look at the consequences.
	I know, I know.
	We're getting back to Miss Omar, because this speech obviously is blown up in the American sphere, and rightly so.
	This wasn't new though, was it?
	Like, come on!
	A lot of people just kept finding, you know, footage of her talking in Somali and then getting a translator to run it.
	So this is her giving a speech behind a massive portrait of the dear leader, with the dear leader on the front of it as well, talking about how much she loves him.
	So we have a very special relationship.
	He calls me his girl.
	This is talking about the president of Somalia.
	Somalia is our home.
	It is our heart.
	We always think about Somalia.
	Yeah.
	I mean, she's our president.
	Yeah.
	I mean, she is just coming out and saying that, yeah, I'm a Somali colonizer in America.
	I'm going to exploit the land for as many resources as I can get for the advantage of Somalia.
	And it's like, yep.
	Sure.
	I noticed she's wearing a larger hijab in this one, where she's dressing the people back home directly.
	Yeah.
	She never used to wear that either, in case you're wondering.
	Only in 2001 did she decide to start wearing the hijab because she wanted to represent Muslim identity, is how she puts it.
	So it was never actually a sincere conviction about the proper proper way to dress, but follow the story.
	It goes on.
	This is her talking here where she talks about returning back to our nation back home.
	Not Virginia.
	It's Somalia, weirdly enough.
	She also decided to do some more speeches.
	So this is when she is talking at a rally.
	And in this clip, she accidentally says my country when referring to Somalia and then very quickly quote-unquote corrects herself to saying the country I came from.
	I mean, it's still your country.
	Yeah.
	And then she did something weird whilst this all blew up.
	She retweeted this chap who was saying, you need to take legal action against everyone defaming your character.
	And she was explaining that you can't sue people, telling me to go home.
	Again, Somali understanding of the US legal system.
	And this guy here, of course, is a hardcore Islamist.
	He wants the caliphate back.
	There is a power with numbers.
	Breed like rats and established global dominance.
	Inshallah, the 21st century will see the great rise of Islam.
	Glory to Allah.
	The interval is coming.
	He's going worldwide.
	He went a bit further than this, because he wasn't just claiming, of course, the Muslim lands.
	He then went on to tweet that out.
	That's his pinned tweet.
	Long live the Great Replacement.
	And the electorate of Minnesota is that?
	Yes.
	Is that the Somali flag on it?
	Yes.
	I think it is, yeah.
	Why would she do this?
	Just be aware that there are people who have designs on what you have.
	Yeah, sure.
	And you can check out the local community and see, actually, this guy's wrong.
	Yeah, sure.
	Little Mogadishu?
	It's as American as this footage.
	I'm going to shut that up.
	Sorry.
	I'm going to shut that up.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	My instinct is that I think Ilham Omar has gone to the Congress and she's made little impression on the place.
	Now, she's a small fish in a big pond.
	Whilst in Somalia, she's a big fish in a big pond.
	I can only think that's her mentality on this one.
	And she's probably quite shocked as well about the pushback she gets from Republicans and people generally in this country to her lifestyle and views.
	To be honest with you, I think she's more cunning than that.
	I don't think she's shocked at all.
	I think that she knows that's the pushback she'll get.
	It's just that the ruling moral order Gives her an advantage over them.
	Sure.
	I'm a lot more cynical.
	Oh, okay.
	This is why I mentioned Joseph Polsudski, because I don't think, I'm not sitting here being angry.
	I'm sitting here being like, God damn, smart operator.
	This is what you, this is what you expect to see.
	This is what you should expect to get when you set the system up.
	Joseph actually had a good claim, which is Poland's being oppressed by the Russians and the Germans.
	We need independence.
	She is literally saying, I'm going to infiltrate the global superpower and get their interests subverted, which, okay.
	Somalia is being oppressed by those Somalis over there.
	What do you want to bet the American interactions on this was when this blew up?
	I know some people have called for her expulsion from Congress.
	Um, but, uh, I'm not too sure how the, how the left have, um, uh, reacted to it.
	So please, please inform me.
	But let me take a guess, right?
	So the left are actually very pleased with her active disloyalty to the United States, right?
	But the right have actually gone out of their comfort zone and say, Hey, maybe she should be told to F off.
	Pretty much.
	I think you're, you're both right.
	Cause we'll start off with Matt Walsh.
	He just says, um, go home, which yep.
	Um, I think that's probably a reasonable response.
	You're a Somali nationalist.
	Literally is like, this is my home.
	So what do you want?
	Um, the left response I saw was people being like, no, no, you can't tell her to go home.
	What are you racist?
	What's racist about it, Hassan?
	Unadulterated racism against a US Congresswoman sitting at 44,000 likes.
	57 by the time we film this.
	But what's racist about the, A person from Somalia saying Somalia is my home and I love it there.
	And so he's like, cool, go back to Somalia then.
	And that's pure unadulterated racism.
	Somalis aren't the black race either.
	No.
	On no level does this make sense.
	I think, I think anthropologically, Somalians are actually counted as Caucasians.
	Seriously, I'm not fully elect.
	Arab admixture, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	We might be subset submitting.
	Yeah, but anyway.
	More Arab trickery.
	It really doesn't matter because it's not racist for Matt Walsh to suggest that someone who loves Somalia can return there and be happy.
	That's just not racism.
	I demonstrate this, not because Hassan is funny, of course, in his wrongness, but there wasn't an argument really.
	I love the communist, there's nothing redeemable about the conservative movement.
	I would expect that from a communist.
	If there was something redeemable about conservatism from the communist perspective, I would be like, right, there's something wrong with conservatism then.
	Yeah.
	But the point here is that there wasn't an argument.
	There was nothing.
	Because what are you meant to say if you're left-wing, actually?
	All you can shout is just a buzzword, which is racism in this case.
	And that was the end of it.
	Sure.
	They had nothing.
	I was like, oh, that's interesting.
	Oh, dear me.
	So basically, basically the left, it's whataboutery from the left, in other words.
	Yeah, there was a complete nothing.
	I mean, because what do you do?
	No real comment.
	An immigrant subverter says, yes, I am an immigrant subverter.
	And that's what an entire community is doing.
	Ha ha ha ha ha.
	Yeah.
	There is no defending that.
	Oh, sure.
	I think in America, the Oberson window as well on immigration has shifted to the right as well.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, thanks for things like this.
	I know.
	It's a glorious own goal from Ilhan Omar's point of view.
	The whole thing is, if you don't like where you're living, go and live somewhere else.
	You know, it's basic, simple logic to me.
	So there was a joke that came out of this, which people were saying, or at least there's an argument of why she shouldn't be here, which is, um, well, you know... Sorry, I forgot about that good meme.
	There we are.
	It's terrible.
	Tell her she should go home.
	But, um, you know, Hassan's not the only one.
	So this chap said to me, if she's a Somali nationalist, it's praiseworthy.
	If an American says it, it's racist.
	It's very simple.
	You either get comfortable being called racist or you are ruled by foreigners loyal to their own tribe.
	The rest are lies.
	I think this chap is right.
	I mean, I'd literally just put a speech bubble from Ilhan Omar from that.
	Yes.
	Because it's literally what she's saying.
	Because getting called racist by people like Hassan, it means nothing.
	You shouldn't be afraid of it at this point, it's pointless.
	Not even talking about race, we're talking about ethnicity.
	Yeah, sure.
	So you're just, you're just having your time.
	How I deal with people calling me racist, you know, occasionally on Twitter, is I just say, well the people that pointed out the grooming gangs were called racist as well.
	Pointless term.
	Just how many times on a daily basis does Hasan accuse someone of being a racist?
	Why would I care?
	This is literally your entire stock in trade.
	This is how you make your money.
	I don't care what you think is racist.
	You're a communist.
	So anyway, wonderful lecture from Ilhan.
	Pointless discussion from a conversation of left-wingers, as usual.
	The right have got something on their mind though, which is maybe we should do something.
	So, Ron DeSantis came out and said, expel her from Congress, then denaturalize her, and then deport her.
	Now, this is an interesting one because... Where was that on your presidential run?
	So, she became a... well, first thing to say, which is you can't denaturalize a natural US citizen.
	Yet.
	Well, she's not a natural U.S.
	citizen.
	She is someone who came to the United States and then claims the naturalization process.
	She became a U.S.
	citizen in the year 2000 when she was 17 years old.
	And so, what ways can this be done?
	Just out of a sense of what could be done.
	I don't know the law, of course, but there's an article in here where they're talking about why could this happen.
	And the big thing on here is that if you lie on your application, So if you make factual wrong claims about the reason you're here or your name or anything else is what they list.
	What about marrying you?
	What about her brother?
	We'll get to that.
	That wasn't during that period she was 17.
	But I think there's another claim to make here which is the oath.
	The oath she did actually lie on.
	Because the starting line... Oh yeah, absolutely!
	I hereby declare an oath that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty.
	Yeah, well, obviously.
	Whom I was which and have henceforth been a subject or a citizen.
	Well, okay, so you are still loyal to the state of Somalia in your own words.
	You did lie on your oath.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if there's ever been a case like this before.
	I mean, it's pretty crystal clear.
	Yeah.
	I mean, as the law was written, I think you could make the argument.
	So, um... That's a good question.
	Has anybody in America been stripped of their passport and deported?
	For lying under oath.
	Yeah.
	The oath part here.
	For whatever reason.
	Well, they've been done for lying on the application.
	That's why I mention it.
	But this oath part wasn't mentioned.
	But I mean, she literally has repudiated this oath.
	Yeah.
	I'll end this off with, as you mentioned, the brother thing.
	Because this is what instantly came to my mind.
	This is a bit of a weird one because it's never been proven.
	So the claim is that she married her brother and then got him US citizenship that way by marriage rights.
	And obviously that's not allowed because incest is illegal in the US.
	Not everywhere.
	And we can't disprove that, because the paperwork in Somalia doesn't exist.
	Of course it doesn't.
	Shock.
	So these weirdos decided to do a DNA test by stealing cigarette butts.
	And they say they proved that it's definitely her brother.
	But the source is really sketchy, because the guy who did this, like the day after, got done for trafficking young girls.
	So he's like, ehhh.
	Right.
	By the way guys, don't complain too loudly.
	He actually went to America from Britain.
	Yeah, he was a British citizen, I believe.
	But it's a great question, though, and I think one that the right should really be seriously looking at in the United States is the denaturalization process.
	Because in her case, you've got the perfect candidate for making a legal argument and making a precedent.
	Because if an immigrant citizen comes to the United States, but actively hates the United States, says they are foreign first, and then uses their position in the U.S.
	to advocate for foreign aims, What is the point of the United States if they can't reject those people?
	What is the point of the oath?
	Yeah.
	Why have rules?
	Yeah.
	You don't have laws at that point.
	Yeah, I do, yeah.
	And this isn't new for us, just to bring us back, because we've been here.
	Hamza, sorry, not Hamza.
	He's next!
	Yeah, because he was a British citizen.
	We did take away his British citizen rights.
	Shamina Begum is another one.
	Usually we've done this for terror offences, but it's not unusual to actually just strip people of their citizenship in the UK for being active enemies.
	Being literal traitors.
	Yeah, with the United States.
	Get on with it.
	In the United States, they get elected to Congress.
	Well, the other sort of the coin there is Britain was too cowardly to arrest the guy, to Abrahams, and it was left to the Americans to show some muscle and get him extradited back to America where he's serving life.
	Indeed.
	You know, so, you know, we're pathetic.
	Yeah.
	There we are.
	Of the American right.
	Sincerely, this is an interesting point and something they should actually try and see where it goes.
	On that, let's move on.
	Brother Mouse?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	My mouse.
	So, ladies, don't take the bog pill.
	And I mean this sincerely.
	I don't know why you're doing it.
	I don't know what you think the end advantage of it is.
	But as a man, I'm telling you, it doesn't look great.
	And so I have a panel of men who will give their opinions on this.
	Expert women judges.
	But before we go on, I realize this is an uncomfortable topic for some people, but I actually really agree with George Orwell.
	If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people they do not want to hear.
	I think there are many people who don't want to hear this, and so I will be exercising that right until I get in trouble.
	But if you want to support us, by the way, go to the merch store shop.moses.com and check out our merch.
	It's all really great.
	I designed it personally and it helps us keep the lights on.
	So we appreciate your help.
	Right.
	So let's begin with the Bogendovs.
	Have you seen these people before?
	They're a meme.
	Yeah, hideous.
	Slightly.
	Can we click on their face there just to make it bigger for the audience?
	Not yet.
	So these were of polish and uh russian descent but grew up in france uh as they became uh so they're quote french twin television presenters producers and essayists and in the early 2000s they got in a lot of trouble for the bog and of affair which uh brought to light the fact the brothers had written nonsensical advanced physics papers that were published in reputable scientific journals um
	But to me, that's not the interesting thing about them.
	The interesting thing about them is, of course, why do you look like that?
	This is them in the early nineties.
	Possibly with some sort of facial alteration.
	They do look a bit weird.
	Yes.
	And this is them a lot later on.
	They also had facial surgery as well.
	Yeah, they've had lots of... well, I mean... They look like children characters.
	Well, the Bogendorf twins themselves denied having undergone plastic surgery.
	Come on!
	You're totally natural!
	The media of course noted this, the Sydney Morning Herald, Cannes Film Festival, they're all like, well hang on a second, you look slightly unusual, you must have had some sort of surgery.
	But according to former Education Minister, France-Luc Ferry, a friend of the brothers, they had both received Botox injections for cosmetic treatment.
	So yes, they obviously have had some sort of cosmetic treatment.
	They both died during COVID, from COVID actually.
	Tragically, of course.
	And so that is what the internet meme recognizes as the bog pill.
	And women are doing something very similar.
	My face before I got all my fillers and my glow up.
	Which would you rather take on a date, gentlemen?
	Left.
	Left.
	As I'm looking at it.
	Yeah.
	Why does she think that's a glow-up?
	Women believe women?
	Yeah.
	The hype.
	When they come back from their operation, everyone out of politeness is going to turn around and say, you look wonderful, out of politeness, if nothing else.
	It seems to be some kind of viral fad that is the consequence of social media.
	Yeah.
	That's terrible.
	She's not talking about her surgery or anything like that.
	She's talking about just normal life.
	And I don't want to be accused of bullying or anything like that.
	I'm actually quite sympathetic.
	Like, why did she feel she needed to do that to herself?
	She looks like a stunning woman from there.
	Yeah, I bet.
	I bet she was a good looking woman before.
	I'm trying not to be rude.
	Yeah.
	That does look like a filter or a mask.
	Yep.
	I'll say when I see photographs like that, instinctively the first thing I think of is they're the victim of domestic abuse.
	The thing is, I'm actually a lot more sympathetic because I actually think that this is the consequence of a person being in a particular mind space where they have lost perspective on what good and bad actually is.
	Because I bet she was a fairly normal looking, rather attractive woman before she got this done to herself.
	Sure.
	And she paid thousands of dollars to have this done.
	And I just... Why are you sympathetic about that?
	Because it's sad.
	Yeah, things are sad.
	It's not sympathetic.
	I mean, if you burn your own hand, it's not sympathetic.
	It's just like you're an idiot.
	Sure.
	But if everyone around them is telling the same thing.
	And they're kind of trapped like this now?
	There's no going back once you get to this sort of stage?
	By the way, I did do a little bit of research on this, because it's not something I know too much about at least.
	Do you remember going back literally 20 years, the chap with the footballer who was dating Leslie Ash?
	And she was the first person I can remember actually having the lip thing done.
	I'll check that out.
	It's 2003.
	So about 20 years plus of this.
	Yeah.
	And she, again, a good looking woman who didn't need it.
	Yeah.
	So what the hell's wrong with you?
	I don't know.
	That's far better.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Um, and so this, the reason I'm talking about this is because it was recently propelled into the headlines by Erin Moriarty.
	Now, You may not be familiar with her if you don't watch The Boys, but The Boys is a popular Amazon series in which she plays a character called Starlight.
	And Starlight is meant to be a kind of wholesome, all-American girl from like, you know, Ohio or something, who happens to... The Boys is like a parody of superhero movies and stories.
	And so she finds herself with superpowers and she joins this organization called Vought that kind of manages the superheroes.
	And it's deeply corrupt.
	Everyone in there is perverted and evil.
	And she's like the one good person in there and has to struggle with that.
	And that's why they obviously chose a woman like her.
	She looks like the girl next door.
	She looks like the very attractive girl next door that you'd hope one day to marry or something like that because she's a very good looking woman.
	So recently she posted this on her Instagram.
	I think that's about the least worst I've seen.
	This is much less extreme.
	Yeah, it's much less extreme.
	That's why I was so not sympathetic to that woman before, because come on.
	Yeah.
	I can imagine someone getting some injections or whatever thinking it'd be a great idea.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it was wrong.
	But that woman before was just odd.
	I mean, well, she did look like she came from another planet.
	Yeah.
	But this, I think that, I mean, the internet.
	This is just a big downgrade.
	That's definitely how the internet views it.
	To my mind, from an attractiveness point of view, it's the image on the right but the lips on the left.
	Does anyone else think she looks transgender?
	That's one of the problems with facial surgery.
	A lot of male to female transgender people do get this kind of facial surgery and it's not generally an improvement.
	I just haven't seen anyone saying that they prefer the right to the left there.
	I know I personally would prefer the left and it looks like she's been hollowed out in some way.
	It might be me being old and I prefer the maturer picture.
	It might have something to do with it because I'm old.
	What, you prefer the right?
	Yeah, really.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But, you know, sort of facially, apart from her lips, I think she looks a lot maturer than the one on the left.
	She's 22 on the left and 28 or 27 on the right.
	Yeah, I know, yeah.
	But yeah, she looks a lot older on the right, doesn't she?
	Oh, you know. - It's just funny the way you said it.
	Yeah, I know. - I mean, it's just getting you to have a frame out. - You know, it's only a space of like five years.
	Yeah.
	So she shouldn't have aged dramatically, but she looks, um, a bit sad, I would say, but that's the picture she put on her Instagram.
	And so this got everyone saying, well, hang on a second.
	She's had loads of plastic surgery.
	Uh, that was unnecessary.
	She's a very good looking woman before there was no need for this.
	Uh, and so people started speculating.
	I mean, there are, there are other pictures where she just looks far worse.
	Um, but, uh, this, uh, something that people talk about a lot because of course she denied that she had had plastic surgery and everyone's like you obviously have and plastic surgeons uh would say things like well she's obviously had rhinoplasty which has changed the shape of her nose if we just go up and see the picture there Change the shape of the nose.
	She said book hold fat removal, which is apparently the fat in your cheeks to make your, uh, basically hollow out your cheeks, uh, to make you look more skeletal.
	Uh, blepharoplasty.
	I don't know what that is.
	She said V line jaw surgery and a boob job, uh, as well as fillers and Botox in her lips, which is the speculation from people who do plastic surgery.
	Uh, but why does she feel the need to do this?
	Like she's, Like millions of male fans, she's on TV.
	What is it that's going on in Hollywood and on social media that's making them think that?
	Extreme narcissism.
	She doesn't look any better.
	Well, we know that, but... Narcissistic people usually don't do anything good for themselves.
	Good point, good point.
	You know, presumably she's just striving more and more and more, you know, to look better and better and better.
	No, I don't quite understand it.
	I suppose you shouldn't be sort of complacent with what you're doing and happy with your life completely.
	You should always strive to improve yourself, but that is completely over the top.
	Yeah.
	Uh, and the thing is, um, as we get to this is influential for lots of young women.
	Yeah.
	And again, she was in her twenties when she did this, if she was in a forties.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	I understand.
	You know, you're in your twenties, you're at the peak of your beauty.
	You don't need to worry about this at all.
	Uh, and so she ended up, um, getting quite angry at the internet because the internet was like, look, you're ruining books while you're doing this.
	Uh, she ended up getting into a beef with Megyn Kelly, who decided to kind of intervene and say, well, look, this wasn't necessary.
	Uh, and totally deleted her Instagram account, which is why I can't show you any of the photos from Instagram.
	Although if, or if it's not deleted, it's been made private or something like that.
	Um, it makes me think the narcissist thing is probably true because if the response is no, it's, it's the audience who are wrong.
	No, you're not learning.
	You're not actually able to learn.
	Yeah.
	What's your reaction?
	You have lost the privilege of this account.
	That is narcissism.
	Yeah, that's literally what she said.
	You've lost the privilege of this account.
	Because she's going to go on a permanent break.
	She says she was horrified by the reaction and the reductive assumptions.
	It's like, look, come on, we can see that you've had these surgeries.
	I didn't actually read that line until you said it.
	The privilege of this account.
	That is extreme.
	I think we need to appreciate how mental that is to write.
	Because imagine sitting there thinking, ah, you know what, internet?
	No more pictures of this beautiful woman.
	Where are you going to find them now, huh?
	But the thing I can't help but notice is just that she looks sad in the new ones, right?
	Like she just looks sad.
	And I don't know whether, yeah, I don't know whether it's the social media, the people around her or what, you know, I have no idea what's happening in her life.
	But there's just a kind of sadness on her face.
	It's a lack of objectivity in her life anymore.
	I don't know.
	Like, you know, before she had it done, she looked normal, you know?
	And then, I don't know if... Yeah, I know.
	It's a worry, isn't it?
	Yeah, I don't know what's happening.
	And, uh, and the content of the reply, the way I've been spoken about, the way I've been spoken to, I will not accept you've been, I've been in a hole and I've been consumed by this personal situation at hand.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	But this wasn't the right move basically.
	And she's not the only person to have done this.
	Of course, you've got someone like Anna Taylor Joy, who, um, Again, it's just what I assume is supposed to be like a fetish for having like really sharp cheekbones.
	The book of fat.
	Asian sort of type look.
	Sorry?
	The Asian type look with a big.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But to me, it just looks more emaciated.
	You know, I don't know.
	Very anorexic.
	Yeah it's obviously worse.
	Do you remember that beauty account we used to talk about?
	Which one?
	So there was this beauty account for people who don't know we used to talk about and it was an old woman who ran it and she would literally just post pictures of what the beauty industry thinks women want and therefore what women chase versus and then she'd just ask men what do you want?
	And the response all the time was that men actually liked what women would call fatter women, but it wasn't obese people.
	It was like having cheek fat or butt fat or ass fat.
	Well, one thing that men have been programmed by evolution to want is voluptuousness.
	There's a reason why men like big boobs and big hips and big bums.
	I mean, just look at the covers of Loaded magazine and FHM.
	And then there's the beauty industry that would show you something like that image on the left or right.
	Exactly.
	And it seems to be leading women astray because, I mean, again, just Like, which one looks like someone you want to spend time with?
	Which one has this kind of holistic aura of beauty to it, you know?
	And it's obvious.
	Sure.
	Well, truth be known, I used to live and work in New York for two years.
	I actually did Data Celeb once when I was over there.
	I'm new in town.
	Don't know where everybody is.
	Don't watch the TV.
	I didn't have a TV.
	I thought I'd have a piano instead.
	And so I sort of signed up this nice, good, young-looking lady.
	Apparently, she was a well-known actress.
	Oh, here's my number.
	We were dating for about six months, actually.
	What a pain in the backside!
	You know, I used to play football out there as well.
	Just very briefly, I'll give you the anecdote.
	And she complained if people didn't bug her for an autograph.
	And she complained when people didn't bug her for an autograph.
	Jesus Christ!
	And this is how our relationship came to an end.
	We were sitting having drinks on the Upper East Side.
	And we were sitting together and chatting away.
	And this, um, I used to play football out there.
	And this couple sidelined up and she sort of looked up at them.
	And she started smiling a bit, you know, and the bloke said, are you, are you Dave Allison, the footballer?
	And she was so, so pissed off at me that she was, I was recognising she wasn't.
	You know, when it comes to items, to answer your question on items like this, People who are well-paid actresses, extremely well-paid actresses, I have very little sympathy for them, to a greater extent, because they are so narcissistic.
	I tried to be an anchor for the woman I dated out in America, but she was having none of it.
	What do you even do with that person?
	She was fun to talk to.
	But complaining about not having people ask for your autograph, a mental case.
	Yeah, and she complained when people did ask her for autographs.
	You know, well, it's not necessarily that you have to have sympathy for these particular women.
	I actually just feel bad when I see this sort of thing happening to people because I think, well, you must be trapped in a very unhealthy situation.
	But this, uh, we, we shouldn't understate the influence that these women have on other women, normal women who don't have mountains of cash.
	So when they spend like $9,000 or how many thousands it is, on various surgeries.
	Well, that costs a lot of money and ends up ruining it.
	Particularly young, impressionable girls, 16 to 17.
	And this seems to be one of those things.
	So, in the UK, for example, we'll get to the American in a minute, it seems to be a massive growth industry, which is not good, I think.
	Most young women should probably be aware that men like normal young women, That's exactly the reason I gave that anecdote.
	Simple reasons.
	I must prefer the woman next door or the girl down the road.
	I wouldn't do anybody who's famous.
	There's a pain in the backside, I tell you.
	It's not even that.
	Well, I mean, that is that.
	But a naturalistic look is generally more appealing.
	Just live a healthy lifestyle.
	That's all you have to do.
	I went to a TV Christmas party, cast and crew and what have you.
	And, you know, a couple of women there went all lovey on us, you know.
	You know, how are you doing, darling?
	And air kisses and things like that.
	I just went to the bar and I had too much to drink like I normally do.
	No, give me normality.
	Give me the guy down the pub and the lady down the pub any day of the week.
	I've learned my lesson.
	But, uh, apparently, uh, in 2022, 2022 in the UK, there were 31,000 cosmetic procedures that took place, which is 102% increase from the previous year.
	So it's like doubled in one year.
	Um, and this has just been a staggering increase all over.
	Obviously, 93% of all of these cosmetic procedures were for women.
	Only 7% for men, obviously.
	And it's all exactly as you would expect.
	It's breast augmentation, breast reduction, abdominoplasty, liposuction, neurofiloplasty, eyelid surgery, fillers.
	It's all this sort of thing.
	And in the USA, of course, this is a center of this as well.
	This is a growth market.
	It's growing 6.3% overall, and the trajectory is predicted to continue going.
	54% increase in these surgeries in the US alone in 2021.
	That was two years ago.
	I couldn't find more recent figures.
	But the point is it's a growth industry.
	One surgeon, Dr. Ali Ismail, renowned fellowship-trained facial plastic reconstruction surgeon in the fields of rhinoplasty, forehead reduction, face and neck lifting, suggests that it has gained more popularity due to the significant rate of the acceptance of these procedures because of social suggests that it has gained more popularity due to the significant And so...
	Women tend to get a lot of these surgeries and things and a lot of them, they're fairly subtle as well.
	So let's play this quickly, just so you can see.
	As you're looking at this woman, she looks quite normal and natural.
	And you might not have known she'd had a lot of work done.
	2023 and how much they cost.
	Botox twice a year.
	I got it in my 11s, my frontalis and my crows.
	Botox done in my masseters, as well as a lip flip twice a year.
	Trap Botox, which helps so much And I've been getting that done twice a year as well.
	Now let's start with injectables.
	I get about one syringe a year in my lips just to maintain the shape.
	I get Vobella in my lips and like I said, I get it done once a year.
	Now let's move on to Sculptra.
	Instead of doing a little bit more cheek filler because I wanted a nice pop, I actually started dabbling with Sculptra.
	So I did two vials of Sculptra.
	Moving on to my vampire facials.
	I do vampire facials three to four times a year.
	I believe I did it four times this 2023 and how much they cost.
	So I don't know what half that stuff is.
	I'm sure that there are women who do know.
	And all I wanted to say is this is just not necessary.
	Like men.
	It's completely unnecessary.
	Yeah.
	Men are not thinking.
	Is she even particularly interesting looking?
	No.
	So I'll be honest, I look at her and I'm bored.
	She's pretty, but like, she's like, well, that that's hideous, obviously.
	Yeah.
	But even going back to the lady who's like a symbol of, oh, this is worth doing because look at me.
	I can see how women would think that woman's pretty.
	The problem that the women have is that they're taking each feature in isolation, right?
	They're saying, well, I need, I need like wing like cheekbones that come out and then I need the sort of like the hollow on the inside.
	Yeah.
	But the, the impression that a man has when he's looking at you is that it's a cohesive whole.
	So it doesn't matter if any one individual feature isn't quite as perfect as it might be when it's focused in on.
	When taken as a whole, one looks very wholesome and appealing and you want to talk to her, maybe take her on a date.
	And the other one looks like someone who actually is very sad and actually you don't want to spend much time with.
	Or a domestic doll.
	Yeah.
	So basically, ladies, there's just no need for this.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I just feel bad for the people.
	We like you as you are, you know?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I just feel bad for the people trapped in this mindset.
	But I will be getting hair replacement when I finally go bald.
	So anyway, moving on.
	Don't worry, you can't see the join.
	Well, it's not about women to be honest, it's about me.
	I've always had lovely hair.
	I don't want to lose it.
	And when I lose it, I'm going to get it replaced.
	Well, I'm going grey.
	I'd rather go grey than go bald.
	So I think, do I have to get the green shit out at some time?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	I'm going bald.
	I'm doing the bald pill.
	I'm not interested in the hair transplants.
	There we are.
	Anyway, he's to their own.
	Except for the bog-billed faces, which... It's not even he's to their own, it's just like... Anyway, more news.
	The MAGA border.
	It's been proposed, boys.
	We're gonna get it.
	And here it is.
	Right.
	A local Democrat's come up with this concept art that we couldn't appreciate.
	Do you guys have any thoughts?
	Just a quick thing.
	This is something that Trump said in, like, 2017 or something, right?
	Um, maybe.
	2018.
	Now he made references to this a while ago.
	I'm saying maybe because he denies it.
	What?
	Why would he deny it?
	We'll find out.
	I remember him saying it was, you know, it's just that he was just riffing.
	That we should have emotes.
	Yeah.
	You know.
	I think Donald Trump did add thousands, if not hundreds, if not thousands of miles to the border.
	Yeah, but I'm sure he was riffing on it in a speech one time a few years ago.
	It was like we'd have alligators and stuff, which I think is a great idea.
	So this is a local Democrat who seemed to have dug that back up and said that if Trump gets re-elected, this is his plan for the border.
	He's going to have, as you can see there, alligators in a big moat that we're going to build through the desert.
	Right.
	We're then going to have electricity coming out of the fence.
	Okay.
	And then there's an army soldier there with a light machine gun mowing down them because, okay.
	Then there's a fighter jet who, I don't know if he knows, but I'm pretty sure those rockets, they're not rockets you get from a fighter jet.
	Those are the launch vessels for the Soviet space program.
	They're massive.
	I was going to say, they look like intercontinental missiles, don't they?
	Yeah, like the kind of thing you built to go to the moon, which I presume whoever made this image for him spugged up.
	There we are.
	This is the plan for the border, he says.
	But, I mean, that does look like a secure border.
	I'm not crossing that one.
	I don't know what else to say!
	Because obviously, as you can see in the comments, everyone else was just like, okay, epic.
	I'm voting for him.
	Promises made, promises kept.
	Yeah.
	Already voting?
	I think at a practical level, that couldn't be done.
	I think the ball, the Mexican ball is 3,000 miles long.
	Yeah.
	No, it's 6,000.
	Florida will donate her best alligators.
	We'll start a breeding program to get more.
	Yeah.
	That's the thing.
	Once the alligators are established, it'll be sustainable.
	We'll buy the rockets off the Soviets.
	I don't know what's left of them.
	You can see here, I love this.
	When I thought I was out, they bring me right back in.
	All those people who are on the Ron DeSantis train are like, I'm done with MAGA now.
	But, you know, the Democrats will never stop trying to recruit you.
	So there we are.
	And it just goes on.
	Where are the spikes?
	Damn, we missed adding them.
	But yes, he also wants spikes.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	I mean, there's room where those rocks are along the base.
	Well, the most effective thing you can do about immigration is, you know, if you're ever caught as an illegal immigrant where you've been there one month, one year, a decade, you should be deported.
	That's the most effective way of dealing with it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what else to say.
	I just, I found this really funny because not only did he tweet this, which is, you know, people tweet dumb stuff all the time.
	He went to Congress with this proposal.
	Great idea.
	Sign him up.
	Yeah.
	So we'll listen to this.
	Put this guy in charge of the border.
	I would love the idea if Trump does come back as president and then is like, yeah, Robert, are you busy?
	I need someone who understands my vision.
	Did you price this up, Robert?
	Let's enjoy.
	I will not yield.
	I want to remind the public that Donald Trump and House Republicans also have their own ideas for the border.
	So let's review the majority's border ideas that they've actually presented.
	Here they are.
	Donald Trump actually has said that he wants to build alligator moats along the border.
	That's one of his incredible ideas.
	Another idea that Donald Trump has promoted is he actually wants to electrify the border fence and maybe even put some spikes on the border.
	That's another Donald Trump and MAGA majority border idea.
	Another idea, which I'm not sure how well it would go, is he wants to actually bomb northern Mexico with missiles.
	That's another Trump idea.
	And finally, I think one of the ones that I think is the most grotesque is suggestions that instead we should maybe just shoot migrants.
	In the legs, as they cross the border.
	So once again, the Donald Trump and MAGA plan is alligator boats, bombing northern Mexico, shooting migrants in the legs, and electrifying the fence and putting spikes on them.
	That is the Donald Trump border plan.
	Man, I would literally, if I were Trump, I would take that clip.
	You know, alligators, electric fence, this is the Donald Trump border plant, I'd just have that on TV all the time.
	I'd just have it in the entire country.
	Yeah, I was sitting there and I was thinking, you know, are you really criticising this?
	Yeah, do you think this plays?
	Accidental advert.
	Indeed, I believe the Democrats are waking up to what the border crisis is at the moment.
	And you know, that's only going to help Donald Trump out even more, in my opinion.
	To support your point, I have the data here.
	So there you are, this is southern border encounters.
	So you can see this is the early stages, the last moments of Donald Trump's presidency.
	2020.
	Yeah, 2020.
	So this is over Joe Biden.
	Oh crap, because they got rid of the old line.
	That's what's happened.
	Ah.
	So there's only four lines because there used to be one where you could see with Donald Trump, which was down here.
	And then it's just blown up so much.
	That's the first year.
	I can't remember what didn't... 23, 22.
	Didn't Biden begin with an executive order to like lower resistance to the border?
	Yeah, we abolished... To be honest, this was really funny.
	The US decided that because of COVID, We can't risk any of them Mexicans coming across.
	So everyone who turned up was immediately deported under health guidance, which was allowed because the WHO was suggesting that at the time.
	And then they just kept it.
	Well, I think it was what, May 22?
	I think they finally got rid of it.
	Something like that.
	But on top of Joe Biden saying that he was going to be weak on the border, and then all the messaging, everything else, and then just people turning up and finding out that the Americans have stolen the British policy of just giving them all your money on your leg.
	Yeah.
	By the way, my understanding, the reason Biden is doing this is, I think the Democrats have finally admitted that they're going to lose the 2024 election and they're deliberately destabilizing the country to hand it over to Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	Quite possibly.
	It's a deliberate ploy.
	Also, there might be, what can I say?
	All says well, because most of them will end up living in Democrat states.
	They'll get extra Congress and Senate seats as well.
	And also, elections will become freer and more secure.
	There we are.
	That's how I phrase it.
	Yes, your postal vote and your ballot box, yes.
	Become even more secure if there are 300,000 legals every month coming across.
	I mean, that's a mad one.
	300k a month now.
	I mean, the numbers here, I mean, what are we looking at?
	That's 1.7k.
	Oh, everything's broken.
	So that's 3 million, 4 million, 5 million, 6 million, over 7 million now.
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, I don't, you know, Schadenfreude is a very nasty attitude to have and feeling.
	But when I see all those illegal migrants in New York City and other democratic strongholds, and they're having to deal with it and pay for it themselves, and they're closing down schools to put people in gyms and things like that.
	Serves you bloody well right.
	Yeah, the Martha's Vineyard incident.
	Yeah, I know.
	Absolutely hypocrisy.
	I've been there, by the way.
	It really is an expensive area.
	I bet it bloody is.
	You've got to pay a lot of taxes to keep the immigrants out.
	Indeed, yeah.
	You think they could accommodate 50 human beings?
	Easily.
	It's quite rural, actually.
	It's quite rural, you know.
	When you go from a town to another town, you know, it's obviously a very small place.
	You go through lots of countryside, and they can easily accommodate 1,000, 2,000 people there.
	No problems.
	But, of course, we can't because, you know, we're hypocrites.
	Even though they had that sign, didn't they?
	It said, Refugees Welcome.
	Yeah.
	But if this continues, I mean, what would we be looking at by the time of Biden's presidency?
	Probably eight, nine million illegals in a four-year term?
	Yeah.
	It's just insane, isn't it?
	Yeah, I know.
	Purposely done.
	Yeah, I know.
	Paid for by the American tax.
	Well, I think, I personally feel in the medium, in the short to medium term, the Democrat Party will pay very badly, will pay very badly for that.
	Hopefully, because that's now more people than US births.
	So that's a thing.
	Yeah.
	Unfortunately, well, I suppose maybe fortunately, Donald Trump might have changed his mind.
	Oh, really?
	As you rightly said, he did mention this before.
	Yeah.
	So this was back in 2019.
	He said, the press are now trying to sell the fact that I wanted a moat stuffed with alligators and snakes.
	I think it's the snakes.
	An electrified fence with sharp spikes on top at our southern border.
	I may be tough on border security, but I'm not that tough.
	The press have gone crazy.
	Fake news.
	Yeah, but then seven to eight million people invaded whilst you were gone, buddy.
	Yeah, maybe you need to get tougher on the border.
	Yeah, I mean even at the time people thought, you know, it's not bad.
	Exactly, yeah.
	So, could do that.
	But I thought we'd play a little game, have some fun.
	Top three borders.
	Why not?
	I've got some recommendations.
	Okay.
	Well, it's got to be Israel, right?
	That's got to be one of them, sure.
	In fact, I think that's number two I've listed here.
	Oh no, it's number... It's this one here.
	Which, um... Oh no, it's the one after.
	There we are.
	This is Israel.
	This is what you're thinking of.
	Yeah.
	But that's a good option.
	Fan favourite.
	I mean, there are bits where it's giant concrete walls as well.
	What about the border of Ramallah between Egypt and Gaza?
	Good point.
	That's a good one as well.
	I think that's actually basically the same structure as this one.
	I believe they've been putting extra barbed wire on it recently.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Why?
	Appalling.
	They let Humza Yousaf's relations go out the border, you know, open the gate.
	Thank you very much.
	And off to Turkey we go.
	Why don't we meet up with Erdogan?
	But yeah, so good ball, Riz Ramallah.
	You know, the Egyptians do not want the Palestinians in their country at all.
	The wonderful thing about the Israel one as well, as you probably know, is massive.
	It's certainly the case that you can build this at scale, because it's been done, and I'm sure the Americans... Well, the Chinese showed us that 800 years ago.
	Yeah.
	We know balls work, for Christ's sake.
	That's a good one as well.
	It's a good classic.
	The other one I was thinking of, because I have experience of it, is the Hungarian-Serbian border.
	So this is it.
	Serbia to the south, Hungary to the north.
	This is the crossing point, nice and civilized.
	And then across the whole border, I don't know if you can see it very well, but there's several layers of fencing.
	Track for armed guys.
	I mean, the security literally have AKs driving up and down.
	And then they have cameras, electric wire and razor wire strewing the entire thing.
	And it goes on the entire Serbian-Hungarian border there.
	Oh, God forbid a Serb gets into a country.
	Also the Polish-Belarus border as well.
	Same thing.
	Same thing.
	I think we can just roll out.
	Probably I can go up here and then... I'm trying to remember where it is.
	It's not on the Brest side, is it?
	Somewhere up there in Gdynia or whatever.
	So they fortified the hell out of this.
	So I think this is where we had all that footage of them trying to cross at the point.
	And then this line here, again, is just miles and miles of razor wire and cameras and armed guards.
	So that's another one.
	The Europeans can certainly do some.
	But I think the king, the king of border security does have to go to everyone's favorite, the North and South Koreans.
	Congratulations.
	I mean, nowhere quite does it like a place with the phrase bridge of no return.
	It's not the kind of place where you have a few jars, you know, have a few sherbets in the evening and for a day you cross the border, is it?
	They can't do that.
	For people who don't know, because it is actually seemingly quite fun, is you have the American side over here, and then this is what everyone sees, which is those blue huts where the armistice is signed on the North Korean side.
	But of course, the border is bloody huge.
	I mean, spans the entire cross section of the peninsula.
	51st parallel, is it?
	And they don't just have a bit of razor wire, like us.
	They went a bit further than that.
	You've got armed guards along the whole thing, of course, on both sides.
	The North Korean side is quite funny.
	Landmines everywhere.
	They also have, running up to it, checkpoints at every point.
	So you can't, if you're an off-grid citizen, just drive on down.
	You have to get permission.
	And, um, as you can see, I mean, places with names like Bridge of No Return and sections where you could stare at each other.
	I think a total in the last 10 years of two people have crossed it.
	Wow.
	Very effective border.
	Donald Trump is one of those people.
	The other one was a guy.
	Kim Jong-un.
	There we are.
	Go show you how bad North Korea is.
	There's somebody I know who went on holiday to North Korea and China.
	And when he was on the train going back from North Korea to China, when he finally arrived in China, he felt safe again.
	Yeah.
	The irony to go to China and you feel safe.
	So menacing is North Korea.
	There's a common theme of people who go on holiday and come back to like, oh my God, commercialism.
	I'm back in capitalism.
	Are you?
	No, you're back in China.
	Yeah, sure.
	By the way, very quickly, obviously North and South Koreans are the same homogenous race.
	The GDP per capita in South Korea is $39,000.
	In North Korea it's $1,700.
	That's the difference between capitalism and communism.
	But in terms of border security, I must admit, I do actually prefer the North Koreans.
	Because they're a bit more serious about it than South Koreans, which, you know, do have all their razor wire and everything else.
	But the North having several checkpoints even leading up to it, and then a bunch of armed guards.
	You've got to have defence and depth, Callum.
	You do indeed, and I think we should send a special envoy to Pyongyang to tell us their secrets.
	Yeah, I know.
	Donald Trump's going to get Kim Jong-un as an advisor to the American border wall.
	Yeah, and then, you know... It could be an export industry, you know, come to Britain and be our guards.
	They make a huge amount of money, I think, from selling statues, because they're the masters.
	So for African dictators, they sell their statues to them.
	But yeah, they've got a new market here, which is border security.
	I mean, if you look at the American one, you're right.
	This is a bit of the old wall that does grow out a bit into the sea and then stops.
	I do feel like I could swim around it.
	Yeah, there is a point here where they'll just stop you.
	Some guys will come up with guns.
	And there is plenty of border wall, even though the thing is bloody huge, of course.
	Actually, the Canadian border is deserted near enough.
	Yeah, it's just some trees.
	Yeah, sometimes.
	It's actually rather funny.
	I don't know if people have seen it before, because you mentioned it.
	Isn't it a line carved through the trees?
	Yeah, they pay some guys to go and cut the trees.
	Oh, there's not a forest there.
	But if you go and find somewhere where there is a forest, there's just this big gap.
	For no good reason, because what does it matter?
	No one cares.
	Yeah, this bit's been cut down.
	Sure.
	Really?
	Is that necessary?
	We weren't going to build a fence, so what was the point?
	Well, it tries to be the easiest way to enter America.
	It's from Canada, but there's very little obstacles in the way.
	It's because the Canadians are generally law-abiding.
	Yeah.
	New Canadians.
	Bit of a security risk.
	I'll allow the conversation.
	There we are.
	Top three borders.
	So there's some ideas.
	If Donald Trump thinks his old ideas haven't gone far enough, call up your good friend and I'm sure he'll sort you out.
	But this isn't the only thing about this that I enjoyed.
	There was the liberal solution to this conversation.
	You know what else stops illegal immigration, guys?
	Foreign aid.
	Just give infinite money to the foreigners and trust me they won't come thinking you've got loads of money.
	Absolutely yeah.
	Do we have a case study on that?
	A local man disagreed.
	Infinite money to every country forever, or war.
	I read Neil Ferguson's book Empire, about the British Empire and what have you.
	He did a chapter on foreign aid, in reference to it anyway.
	Apparently between 1955 and 1995, the West gave one trillion dollars in aid to Africa.
	500, half of that is thought to be in Swiss bank accounts.
	Oh yeah.
	That's a space station for reference.
	Like that's the ISS cost.
	Yeah.
	So yeah.
	And also as well, I forgot her name.
	She's a Zambian lady.
	She called it dead aid.
	And she said that giving aid to Africa and giving aid to developing countries is a complete waste of time.
	And it stimmies and stops and represses economies.
	Well, it's a good way to hold up corrupt regimes.
	You give them lots of money and they buy lots of guns.
	Sure.
	Hire lots of mercenaries.
	Funnily enough, I've got my Primark t-shirt of the day underneath my shirt.
	I do use Primarni, but most of the stuff's made in Bangladesh.
	In 1985, 45% of the world lived in abject poverty, or absolute poverty, i.e.
	45% of the world lived in abject poverty or absolute poverty i.e. $2 a day or less the current figure for 2022 is 9.5 Free trade has facilitated it.
	You know, just going down to Primark and buying a t-shirt made from a place in Bangladesh is far more effective than paying taxes and giving aid.
	We should be very proud as free market champions that relatively free world trade has been able to bring so many, probably 2 billion people now have access to electricity, education, running water.
	We should thank Free Trade for that.
	Are you sure?
	Because it seems that I'm being told the story that nothing exists outside of the West.
	And if we don't let them in, then actually we're condemning them to a life of poverty scratching around in the dirt.
	I know the sweatshop workers.
	I'm joking.
	I say sweatshop.
	Absolute poverty is $2 a day.
	They actually earn about $1 an hour.
	No, I'm obviously just joking.
	Obviously, outside of the West, human life is possible.
	Sure!
	Well, you've got to logically infer it from all the people who turn up on the borders.
	But where did they come from?
	I love how I think Russia got kicked out of the West effectively.
	And they were also meant to believe that life is just not existing there.
	Human life not possible in Russia?
	No.
	All of a sudden that's gone as well.
	Because I mean, sincerely, what is this guy arguing exactly?
	You know, just send them foreign aid for what?
	They have societies.
	They've got free trade.
	Things are working, bro.
	Sure.
	The growth rate's not bad.
	The only thing that will work is tough love.
	Yeah.
	Love.
	Yeah.
	That's the only thing that's gonna work.
	But this Mr. Cope's position there comes from a position, uh, comes from a presupposition.
	Well, his name's Brian Cope.
	Yeah, it is.
	So Mr. Cope with his crying face and happy mask, well he just assumes that we're better than them.
	We have to give them our money in order for them to survive.
	There's just no other way of looking at it.
	So I think we're on the case of just build the wall, and if you want to add some tigers or leopards or spikes or whatever else, go for it, and that'll probably actually save the world, weirdly enough.
	But we're not the only people, and Donald Trump's not the only person thinking about this, there are a group of people who do seem a bit mad.
	They've declared themselves God's army, and are travelling to the southern border to fix it.
	I think it's a little naive.
	A little naive, perhaps.
	A lot of people are calling this story some kind of FBI psyop.
	No, I think there are people this stupid.
	So this is MSNBC reporting that the Army of God are heading to the border.
	In response to the intensifying standoff between state officials and the federal government over border security, a group calling itself God's Army has said it will be leading a convoy of up to 40,000 trucks from Virginia to the southern border this week, ending February 3rd.
	With its stated goal being, quote, take our border back, the convoy's organizers paint a portrait of an America that is besieged by dark evil forces.
	God, they say, has charged Christians with halting an invasion of immigrants that is poisoning the blood of the country.
	I thought it was going to be God demands that we allow every immigrant in because God loves us all or something like that.
	No, God's army say the kill them all and MSNBC are the ones saying well we've got a pastor on and he says that they're good people.
	I think the clue is that they're coming from Virginia.
	So yeah I don't think this is going anywhere to be honest because I mean it's a protest.
	I've heard the truckers are going down as well.
	May well be some sort of fed sale.
	Might be silly, but I do love the energy, though.
	Because, I mean, we mentioned before the medieval Total War 2 intro, whatever a crusader's called.
	The Holy Bible may teach peace, but when Christendom itself is threatened... Yeah, the army of God turn up, which, um... Hell, I mean... Well, it's game over for the immigrants, isn't it?
	What?
	The crusaders, right?
	We'll go back quietly, Gov.
	I don't think anything's going to come of it.
	No, that's just a nice funny story, which is that.
	But the standoff is still happening between Texas and the red states versus the federal government.
	I'm not really sure where that's going because nothing's happened.
	Well, Biden seems to have backed down slightly on it.
	Because I think Texas has got the support of 25 other states.
	Yeah, and Biden is absconding his duty to protect the integrity of the borders of the United States.
	Indeed, yeah.
	I suppose we'll see what happens with that one.
	But anyway, that's the MAGA border.
	Proposals are in the works.
	I don't know if Donald Trump has reiterated his position.
	Maybe he's got a new one now.
	We can only pray.
	Border with armed nuclear weaponry.
	We're trip-wise.
	Tactical nuclear mines.
	So if someone does trip it, it spoils the world for everyone.
	Anyway, but leave your proposals in the comments.
	Let us know.
	Otherwise, I suppose we'll go to the video comments.
	Let's go to those.
	Oh, no video comments.
	Wonderful.
	We'll go to the written comments.
	Russian Garbage Human says, David, what a pleasure to have you here.
	Been following you on Twitter for ages.
	Thank you for what you do.
	That's very kind.
	Thank you.
	Charles says, wasn't Ilhan Omar the one who accused Jews of having dual loyalties?
	Come on, she's Muslim, of course she has.
	Yeah, I think she also made a reference to the Benjamins as well, didn't she?
	She did.
	I mean, again, there's no point accusing her of being a hypocrite, but it is insufferable to see.
	Richard says, if you don't take the oath of allegiance or have tribal loyalties to a foreign country then you should not be sitting in office.
	This goes for any politician anywhere.
	Refusing to do so or bringing religion into it is traitorous.
	Religion and politics are not the same thing and should be kept apart for the benefit of everyone.
	You cannot serve two masters.
	One side is being exploited for the benefit of the other.
	The West is being fleeced and exploited for foreign interests.
	What?
	Well, actually, she's not serving two masters.
	She's serving Somalia, as I think she's made clear.
	And so you are actually correct when you say you're just being exploited.
	And she'll tell you that.
	Beggar Hero says, I will say this, Ilhan says out loud what hyphenated Americans say in closed doors.
	Yes.
	Defiantly Flippant says, if you're seeking positive rights for your race or negative rights for another, then you're a racist.
	Under the proper English tradition, racism must be socially and legally opposed.
	How to deal with actions such as this smiling lady is clear.
	We have forgotten who we are.
	I mean, I think that Rhonda Santis had it right.
	Yeah.
	Denaturalized, deport.
	Yeah.
	Nothing more that needs to be done really.
	Also might be a warning to others as well.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	It would be an excellent warning to others.
	Grant says, my favorite thing I saw was someone saying that she was disappointed that Ilhan would do this after suffering racist attacks for dual loyalties.
	Isn't that gold?
	Oh, look at those races.
	Say you've got dual loyalties, Ilhan.
	She's like, yeah, I know.
	It's terrible.
	Somalia first.
	Love it.
	Yeah.
	So somebody else who hasn't thought things through.
	But like, um, Joseph, I mean, he was exploiting the socialists, told them to the face he was doing that.
	Yeah.
	And this isn't a criticism.
	This isn't foolishness.
	This is an accurate description of their plan.
	Not even just accurate.
	It's smart.
	I mean, these people are actually playing politics and the, I hate to be crass, but the Anglers in the room are giving good faith, etc.
	We're not playing politics.
	We've actually not even joined in the game.
	We've lost before it's even began.
	She's playing an entirely different game to us.
	Alexander says Ilhan Omar spills the beans as she revealed the double standard.
	We can have politicians declare their loyalty to Israel or pass laws against boycotting Israel, but do that for any other country and suddenly it's a problem.
	There is no complaint that can be leveled at Omar for this that shouldn't also be leveled at 90% of the rest of the US politicians regarding Israel.
	Yeah, that's why I brought it up.
	Yeah, that's why Nikki Haley is such an embarrassment.
	But so, I mean, just all of them.
	What's the Kentucky guy?
	No, no, no.
	He's kind of a freakish queer guy.
	Who to judge?
	No.
	No, I know what you mean.
	Is it Leslie?
	Leslie Graham.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Bomb Iran, bomb Iran, Israel first.
	So what the hell are you?
	You know, what are you doing?
	You know, you're just some weird gay freak from Kentucky or whatever.
	What are you doing?
	Why do you care about like Israel and Iran?
	I think he's being told what to say, what I've heard.
	Obviously.
	But anyway.
	Same with Justin Trudeau, he's been told what to say.
	Oh, doubtless.
	There's a substitute drama teacher, has some ideas on politics.
	Omar says, if Ilhan gets kicked out for a foreign allegiance, I imagine the other dual nationals in government are going to be sweating bullets.
	Yeah, that's probably why she won't be kicked out for a foreign allegiance.
	Andrew says, Ilhan Omar is a traitor and should be treated as such.
	Yeah, the fact that refugees are given voting rights is utterly appalling, the results of what we're seeing here.
	I mean, yeah, that's literally how can how can a refugee be allowed to run a state or be a part of representative for a state?
	Sure.
	It's standard.
	Anyway, Kevin says to get citizenship in the US, you had to swear allegiance to the USA to enter the Senate.
	She had to swear allegiance to the USA.
	So she lied twice.
	Definitely a Democrat.
	It's a good point.
	It's made multiple.
	I assume she swore on the Quran.
	I'll check, probably.
	I think it's a Thomas Jefferson one that was published in 1755, around that time.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I think the Qur'an that they have was bought because supposedly in those days Islam was known for being moderate and accepting and reasonable.
	Yeah, I mean, it is true that Islam has become more tolerant.
	That's the word I'm looking for, also tolerant as well.
	It is true that Islam has radicalized in the last 200 years.
	Yeah.
	It actually didn't used to be like it is now.
	But Ewan says, I imagine the left's yelling, yes, Queen slay, I bet they are.
	George says, the shallow women with body dysmorphia are getting as ugly on the outside as they are on the inside.
	To quote a Bill Burr joke, you can either look like a 40-year-old woman or a 30-year-old lizard.
	The choice is yours, ladies.
	Yeah, I'm not...
	It just looks so plastic and fake.
	Like, I can't find it attractive at all.
	Omar says, just like TV skewering people's perception on demographics, I'd bet my money that these women are using filters or comparing its edited photos.
	Yeah, and they're all telling each other on Instagram, oh, this looks amazing.
	Yeah, sure.
	So on Snopes, they say that it's half-true that she was swollen on the Quran.
	On Ilhan Omar's website... She swore to Somalia, not to America, right?
	That's the...
	They say, no, it was just for a photo shoot.
	But on Ilhan Omar's website, she says, yes, I used a Qur'an.
	It was a Qur'an that belonged to my grandfather.
	I always love that, when Snopes is like, oh, half true.
	It's true then.
	Wasting my time.
	Yeah, there is a copy of the Qur'an that the Congress and the Senate keep, Capitol Hill keeps.
	Okay.
	You know they used to have a Mohammed statue?
	How did they take it down?
	So they used to have it on the things of the Supreme Court building.
	Yeah.
	One of every lawmaker.
	Yeah.
	And the old Americans in the 1700s thought, he's one of them.
	They didn't really know what a Moslem was.
	No, no, they knew what Muslims were and there's no... Not really.
	They didn't.
	There wouldn't have been a statue of him.
	Well, no.
	At a time when you only know the Barbary Pirates, I really don't think Americans at that time really understood Islam in the slightest.
	Well, I mean, they had a copy of the Quran.
	They knew that Islam was one of the great world religions and that Muhammad is the great lawgiver of Islam.
	That's not... I wasn't denying that.
	I know, but they would know this.
	And so they had him up as just a representative of one of the great lawgivers of the tradition that they felt themselves to be in.
	Not necessarily that they agree with Islam.
	I didn't say that they didn't know that.
	I said that they don't understand Islam or you wouldn't have built the statue.
	So they know he's one of the law givers, but then they built a massive statue of him.
	And then obviously in modern times realized, Oh, that's a bit of a faux pas.
	I took it down.
	Well, I imagine the left were complaining, right?
	I think it was in the early 1900s or something like some ambassador turned up and was like, what's that?
	And they had to explain.
	I think it was like, Are you referring to the meeting where Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went on to be presidents, met the ambassador for Tripoli in London?
	It's much later.
	Much later than that.
	Oh okay, that's 1789, something around that time.
	But that's a perfect example of how naive the Americans were about Islam.
	Because that meeting, maybe you'll tell it better than I. Yeah indeed, unfortunately I didn't have a chance to research it, but basically what happened is after 1776, the American merchant fleet lost the protection of the Royal Navy.
	And therefore the Barbie Pirates, based out of Libya, Algeria and Tunisia, started attacking American ships and enslaving the American crews.
	And in the end, the Americans were forced to pay 40% of their GDP.
	In, basically, in protection money to the Barbary pirates.
	And they met, let's say, Jefferson and Adams met the ambassador for Tripoli in Algeria, I think.
	Tripoli in London.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Yeah, in London.
	They met in London.
	Let's say 1789.
	in London, let's say 1789.
	And they were asked why they attacked American ships.
	And basically the answer that came back from the ambassador was, you aren't Muslims.
	Yeah, you're kafirs, and our religion instructs us to enslave you.
	Indeed, yeah.
	Like he was talking to a child.
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	What?
	I think he has to use the phrase, it is our duty.
	So that's when Jefferson got his Quran, someone's superchatted in to say.
	Sure.
	Because he heard that and went, oh.
	Oh dear.
	But anyway, in 1816, the combined British and Dutch Navy destroyed Tripoli.
	Sorry, it was Algiers.
	The siege of Algiers.
	And we finally rid Europe of slavery of Europeans.
	By the Barbary Coast.
	Yep.
	Get what you deserve.
	Yeah.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, I believe some of these people can have an addiction to plastic surgery, just like you can have an addiction to drugs, alcohol, gaming, etc.
	Well, that explains the Bogendogs, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, you know, your cheeks don't just keep getting bigger unless you've got some sort of congenital disease.
	Absolutely an addiction.
	There are surgeons in the US who have stopped doing surgeries for people who seem to have roots addiction.
	There are even patients who have tried suing surgeons for not providing treatment.
	Blimey.
	The thing that strikes me is, with all this vanity, there are people in the developing world who have hair, lips and things like that, who will never be treated at all.
	you know, never, never be treated at all.
	You know, where, where's your gratitude?
	Yep.
	You know, that's what it's like living in the border of our West.
	Uh, The Crusader says, geez, those Bogunov twins look like spitting image characters.
	Well, that's why they're a meme.
	Those women with huge lips, meanwhile, look like the lady gremlin from Gremlins 2.
	Yes.
	Brian says, fashion designers use boyish models because most of the industry are gay and have no interest in boobs.
	That's one of the theories.
	That definitely would explain a lot, actually.
	Because all I'm thinking is literally, I mean, you know, when, when I was a young man, you had like FHM loaded, like the lads mags and I'm like, Kelly Brooke.
	Do you know who Kelly Brooke is?
	John, can you get a picture of Kelly Brooke up please?
	Preferably one with some clothes on.
	Hands on the table.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Kelly, Kelly Brooke was like the platonic example of one of these women.
	Right.
	She's a bit old now.
	I always love when, because I had this happen with Dan where he was showing me Beautiful Woman from the past and it's like, okay.
	Was Kelly Brook like FHM or something?
	There we go.
	Right.
	So yeah.
	What, what, what you noticed about this is that she's not starved skinny or anything and she's voluptuous.
	Right.
	She's got some meat on the boat.
	Yeah, exactly.
	She is a curvaceous woman because men like curves and when men design a magazine to sell to men, you do not have the weird hollowed out cheeks or anything like this.
	You know, no, you have massive boobs and a massive bum.
	Right.
	Cause that's what men generally are into.
	And so like you say, Uh, Brian, like, they use boyish models because the industry are gay and have no interest in booze.
	That may well be true.
	Sure.
	Uh, I haven't got a better explanation.
	Well, indeed, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's like, you know, Leilani Dowling, you know, that's my kind of good looking lady, you know.
	I don't know who that is, actually.
	Leilani, she's, um, oh, uh, Leilani Dowling.
	She's former Miss England.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Uh, Sophie says what these women also get is buccal fat removal.
	Buccal fat is a fat piece in your mouth cheek.
	So by removing, having a syringe inside your mouth, sucking it out, there's no visible scarring as the procedure takes place inside of the mouth.
	And it's meant to make your cheekbones look more visible.
	Yeah, but nobody was asking for that.
	You know, for some reason these women have decided that's good.
	But at no point were people, were men like, "Oh, you know what Kelly Brooke needs?
	More weirdly indented cheeks so she looks like a skeleton." Sure.
	You know, nobody ever said that about her, weirdly enough.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Like, no man's like, "Yeah, I just can't see enough of her cheekbone." She's mixed race.
	So, her mother's Filipino and her dad's English.
	Okay.
	But the procedure is apparently irreversible too, and it just looks horrible, especially on these pretty young women.
	I think I'll keep my round face, thanks.
	Yeah, I mean, no man has ever been like, yeah, no, sorry, your cheek's too fat.
	Yeah.
	I'm not dating you.
	Look at your fat cheeks.
	Get out of here.
	Go get buccal fat removal surgery.
	I'm asking because you've had your lips done, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is mad.
	Expert women judges, where's Dan?
	Yeah, good point.
	Lord Nerevar says, it's mad how Eren will flatly deny having any cosmetic surgery when you can literally look at her and see the evidence.
	Ladies, we can see when you've had yourself cut up and put back together and we do not find it attractive.
	I speak for myself here, but I'll always take a natural 7 out of 10 woman over a woman who has scarred herself to become a 10.
	I don't even think she becomes a 10, that's the thing.
	I really just don't see it as necessary at all.
	When it comes to the MAGA border, though, Bjorn says, if Trump was to build a wall, he should go as big as possible and make the Great Wall of China pale in comparison.
	HR Slave says, why do the MSM always make Trump seem way more base than he ends up actually being?
	That's a good question.
	They desire to have a legitimate enemy.
	When Trump's making reasonable statements that most people agree with, they can't be like, well, look, that's Hitler.
	But if Trump's like, I'm literally going to exterminate every immigrant in America, he'd be like, see, Hitler, we told you.
	And the public still go, hmm.
	And just how many alligators will that require?
	As long as you don't mean anymore Texas.
	She would make the sparks a bit longer, a bit sharper.
	The thing is, though, as Arizona... Badly impaler over there.
	Arizona Desert Rat is pointing out there are some technical hiccups in the Trump alligator wall, because alligators will only be effective among the Rio Grande River in Texas.
	The rest of the border is desert.
	See?
	You're just going to have to... No, but the thing is, Desert Rat, they're going to dig a big trench and fill it with water and then fill that with alligators.
	Ah, question.
	Will it be on the American side or the Mexican side of the wall?
	Looks like we'll need the moat on the Mexican side.
	Yeah.
	Okay, fine.
	Not necessarily.
	It would be quite amusing.
	So the nice... They jump over into the Alligators.
	Just as a point of policy, so the Serbian-Hungarian one.
	Yeah.
	So for about 10 meters from the border, the Hungarian government owns all that land.
	So if you do make it over, you're still on a Hungarian government property, which you're not allowed to trespass on.
	So then they just shove you back over to Serbia.
	Good thinking.
	So as long as you take public domain, a good section, do whatever you want with it.
	And it also means if you do catch them in that area, you can just go.
	No, I can't believe when I saw images of police border guards taking in illegal migrants, handcuffing them, searching them and just throwing them back again, you know, returning them to the border.
	It's just sensible.
	Oh my God, law enforcement?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, Arizona Deseret makes a good point here.
	Where there is desert though, there's an increase in mountain lions and jaguars along the border.
	There are jaguars apparently popping up on the border of New Mexico and Arizona.
	So, I mean, nature can take its course.
	Or is that just Donald Trump?
	Bringing around trucks full of them and just releasing them?
	Yeah.
	Anyway, we're out of time.
	If you'd like to get more of David, where would they find you?
	I'm DaveAtherton20 on Twitter.
	And there we are.
	There we go.
	I don't work for the European Conservatives.
	Did Jeremy Clarkson call you half-arsed?
	Sorry?
	Jeremy Clarkson called you half-arsed.
	Right, okay.
	The full phrase is, this is deliberately self-deprecating.
	Yeah, David Atherton is half-arsed.
	I hope he gets fully arsed soon.
	Well, you've got to work on that.
	Yeah, so that's deliberately self-deprecating rather than...
	Yeah, it's really how I first got involved in TV work and media work and radio and podcasting.
	I used to be I still am chairman of food but choose a smokers rights group.
	That's how I began my career broadcasting.
	So yeah, so we spoke of what was what I was on.
	That was when I was on ITV.
	And the Daily Mirror's headline was selfish poker thinks you should should have to walk through a cloud of smoke when you when you enter a hospital.
	We could have smoke machines.
	I wrote him a letter and he published an article in The Sun.
	I've just had a person in touch with me who sounds a bit half-arsed.
	I hope he gets fully arsed fairly soon.
	So that's the background to that.
	Right, fair enough.
	There we are.
	We're back in half an hour for the Rumble stream, so if you want to watch that, come and join.
	Otherwise, bye bye.

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