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He was very excited.
He requested it.
Don't shame the man.
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It's honest work.
I'm just bringing it up for that reason.
Anyway, no, we don't have any porn.
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I bloody hope not.
Really?
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So today we'll be talking about tyranny in the UK, that'll be the porn ban, a peek behind the curtain, that'll be a look at porn, and also the gig economy has gone too far, so more porn.
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But I have a couple of announcements to make, so the serious ones, which is that tomorrow at 3pm UK time, so this is this, we'll be doing a Rumble Live on the collapse of the... Oh no, no we won't.
It'll be Carl and Connor, I believe, doing this at 3pm UK time.
They'll be doing a Rumble Live on the collapse of the Conservative Party.
Why would you watch this when you can just tune into...
Any 24-hour news station.
You could, it is the same.
But this will be better because it's us.
I mean, not to downplay ourselves or anything, not to smack us down.
You're blowing your own colleagues under the bus, innit?
But, like, this is just, like, this is just the news.
You're glowing, Harry.
Just watch mainstream media.
Literally, this is just going to be them tuning into a BBC News live feed.
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I've been caught, finally.
You are right, though.
I mean, just look out your window.
But anyway, do come and check that out.
And otherwise, we will be making another announcement, which is the thing I had to load up frantically, which sadly was not pornography.
It was instead the website, because we have some jobs.
So if you go on the website and give it a good old scroll through all those things, you'll find the careers page.
Very good videos there.
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It's not ours!
Should we move into the podcast?
We're better at that.
Should we talk about the news?
Yeah, we're better at that than whatever the fuck this was.
So there we are.
Let's get into the news, shall we?
Indeed we shall.
So the UK is not really a stranger to imposing strict laws, determining what citizens can and can't do.
I think we've established that in our long run on this podcast.
And there's this new sort of rationale that I've noticed over the past few months about how to sort of creep authoritarianism on people.
And it's not perhaps a conventional method.
It's talking about the safety of children, which actually we do.
Is that not the conventional method for overreach?
Not always, because, you know, you can use the example of, you know, when we're talking about material being taught in schools being too sexually explicit in certain medical interventions, which I can't mention for the clips going out.
But those sorts of things, you know, these are genuine concerns about the safety of children.
However, I think that this new method is being used as a political cudgel, you know, hitting people over the head.
You don't care about the safety of children because you don't support my very specific policy about dealing with this thing in a very specific way.
And the main thing I wanted to talk about, which is sort of a hot-button topic at the minute, is the vape ban.
Disposable vapes, like these, are going to be banned.
So in about six months time, as long as the government has its way, these are now going to be illegal.
Me holding this in six months time, that is a crime that I have committed.
That we've recorded for posterity.
Yeah, and they're going to release it.
Owning them will be a crime or buying them will be a crime?
I presume buying them is going to be a crime.
You'll still be able to hold on to your little... So if you buy a massive hoard, yes.
So... Yeah, John says selling is the crime, which I thought as much.
But here we are, here's the BBC talking about it.
And it's just the disposable variant.
And the rationale is for children's health.
Children aren't supposed to be able to buy them anyway.
Yes, in Britain, if you are under 18, you are not allowed to buy any sort of vaporizer product.
Anything with nicotine in it, I would imagine.
I think you can get some nicotine things, but not like cigarettes, cigars, vapes, you know, the things that are unhealthy.
They're trying to make our children weaker, I agree.
So obviously I'm not advocating that people start smoking.
Quite to the contrary, I think people should stop.
However, this seems to be very strange because this is an admission that, well, we have a law against selling these things to children.
We're not enforcing it very well.
So we're just going to ban them for everyone, which is the thing that I'm taking exception to because I certainly don't think that children should be smoking.
That's just not policy, is it?
Well no, it's just like, we've failed, so we're just banning it.
Banning cars, we're banning all cigarettes, uh, I don't know what else you ban.
Alcohol.
Murder.
We should ban murder.
Kids can get access to murder.
That's a good idea.
Yeah.
Robbery.
We should ban robbery.
Mmm.
Yeah, I, it just, okay.
Because that's what happens.
The government bans something and just no one ever gets a hold of it or does it ever again.
No, it's not like it creates a criminal underworld which can in fact make things worse.
For example, if you're concerned about disincentivizing children, making something taboo, making it against the rules, doesn't that make it cooler?
You know, remember when you were children, what was cool?
Things you weren't supposed to do.
That's this, right?
Surely, it's gonna backfire.
And there's gonna be a- there's gonna be little- That sounded more like an endorsement than anything else.
What do you mean?
Hello kids, you know what's cool?
This.
Don't point out Josh's double speak.
I didn't know where you were going with that.
Just because I'm planning a black market vape operation in the future.
I've got a good spot outside of school sorted.
Jesus.
Okay, don't- this will be used as evidence, Josh.
I'm joking, by the way.
Not the crimes we think.
I'm not going to do that.
I'll just say to Steel Man, from pointing out what I did, that there are laws against murder and robbery, making things illegal does generally make it more difficult for the average person on the street to get them, but in this case it's, as far as I can tell, completely unnecessary to do this because we've already got the laws in place to say kids shouldn't get this.
Yes.
And also, there are other alternatives to this which are more harmful and are still going to be legal.
So if we go to the NHS... Mobile phones for children, for instance.
That's far more harmful than vaping.
Than smoking cigarettes, perhaps.
Unironically, yes.
Access to social media is far worse for children.
You know what they should be doing instead of spending all day scrolling TikTok?
They should get back in their minds.
That's the northerner in you speaking.
It absolutely is!
Also, Minecraft is popular, therefore they do yearn for the mines.
But anyway, back to the NHS.
You know, hold in your worship if you're a British leftist.
We're going to read the sacred text of the NHS website.
They even have a holy priest on the banner up there.
They do indeed, and it says vaping to quit smoking.
Nicotine vaping is substantially less harmful than smoking.
It's also one of the most efficient tools for quitting smoking.
Vaping is not completely harmless, and we only recommend it for adult smokers to support quitting smoking and staying quit.
Then it goes on to talk about some of the facts and the research behind them saying this.
So being disposable vapes that they're banning, I imagine that those ones that you can get that have the refillable tubes of liquid, they'll be still on the market, correct?
Yes.
But the thing is here that if adults are trying to quit smoking, because children have been using these disposable ones, the easiest way of quitting, because we've actually got some here.
We've got three of the most popular brands here.
Not sponsored.
No, it's not.
I just went and picked them up at lunchtime.
They gave me the gayest one.
Yes, you've got the Lost Mary, that's an elf bar, this is a crystal one, an SKE, whatever they are.
What are we supposed to do with these then?
Show them to people.
These are the things that are being banned.
They're not dirty objects!
What do you mean?
I don't know, it's just the way you said show them to people.
Made me laugh.
What, like I'm Tipper Gore talking about...
Like horrible music in a trial trying to ban and censor music in that US hearing.
But what's the facts on vaping, real quick?
Because I don't know.
I don't smoke, not interested in vaping.
Well, the understanding is that it's a lot less harmful than cigarettes.
And I think the original encouragement to take up these sorts of things Was to discourage people from using cigarettes, because they've got things like tarin that aren't good for you, funnily enough.
But if little Timmy thinks it's super cool and starts vaping, what damage does it actually do?
Because we well understand the damage that if he takes smoking will do, and him, nothing else, he just didn't want it.
But what does vaping do?
Well, the long-term effects are not as well known as smoking, obviously, because they've been around for less time.
But the evidence seems to suggest, from what I've read at least, and the medical consensus, if you can believe that, is that they are less harmful.
Obviously not harmless.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to ask.
I mean, is it as bad as wearing a gas mask?
Because that's not harmless either.
I don't know.
I'm no gas mask expert here.
I know with cigarettes, it's not just the smoke that you're getting.
You're getting obviously the nicotine.
That's the main reason that you would smoke it, but you're also getting all of the chemicals that they pack into the tobacco these days.
And also, if you're using a filter, you will also be inhaling microplastics from those filters.
I don't know if that's the same with vapes.
I wouldn't be shocked if you were also inhaling microplastics from these things, but I don't know if the chemicals are the same or as bad.
If you want to see how bad it is, Callum, why don't you give it a go?
Go on, live on air.
Will you join in?
Alright, yeah, sure.
Let's do this.
Crash.
I've never done this before.
I don't want to either, so... He's covering his mouth.
See, it's completely harmless.
There's no harm done here.
Josh, I'm not giving people footage of me sucking on something on the podcast, okay?
Okay.
It's quite nice.
Yeah, lovely.
I'll give it a go.
It's quite nice.
It's quite fruity.
Did it really affect you that badly?
Yes.
I wasn't expecting it to be that quick, either.
Really?
Yeah.
What were you expecting?
I don't know, I don't smoke.
We know Calum is a paid shill from the government.
Eating porridge or something.
Yeah.
So, obviously harmless.
Just look at how Calum reacted.
Genuinely, I'm not interested.
I don't really get the argument against them, because as far as I'm aware, it's just you get a nicotine addiction, which isn't great, but whatever.
It's not the worst thing in the world.
The nicotine isn't the worst part in a cigarette, for example.
Yeah, and then you get some water.
So I don't really get what the risk is.
Well.
Because it's so tasty and fruity, you'll get addicted to the fruity goodness.
Why is it all fruit?
I don't like that either.
No, it is kind of lame.
What would you prefer?
I want green bean flavour, dammit.
I want it to be cigar flavoured.
I want it to be broccoli flavoured.
John has, I think... Josh, I've got the perfect thing for you.
Oh yeah?
John has, I think, popcorn.
And when we used to drive around everywhere, he'd vape in his car and I'd get surrounded by it.
That was pretty good.
It would surround him and gang up on him, the smoke would.
No, but basically hot box him as you drive.
That sounds terrible.
That normally has a different connotation other than vaping.
Yeah, but you know, it just smells like popcorn, so it's like, oh yeah.
But anyway, the point is... If it smells like Sakura grape, then oh no, Callum's not going to be a happy boy.
Yeah, I like sweets.
The point I was trying to make here was that by getting rid of the disposable ones, you're making people invest money in either actual cigarettes or the refillable ones, which are a lot more expensive.
And you've got such a thing as known as the sunk cost fallacy.
And this is a phenomenon from behavioral economics, which just happens to be my specialization.
Whereby if if as it says here individuals commit the sunk cost fallacy when they continue a behavior or endeavor as a result of previously invested resources time money or effort Where you know, it would be actually beneficial to stop and I think smoking is probably that right?
But if you've spent lots of money on say this really expensive, some of them can be over £100, refillable vaporizer that looks like some sort of weird dystopian technology, then that's not really going to incentivise you to quit.
In fact, you feel like you've got to get your money's worth because this is a quirk of human nature.
It becomes a personality trait.
Potentially, yes, I suppose.
Whereas if it's disposable, you're saying, you know, bugger it.
Worthless.
Yeah.
And so the disposable nature of it makes it easier for actual smokers who are looking to quit to quit.
And that seems to be supported by evidence such as this.
This is the Adam Smith Institute, which I think is an economics think tank.
One would presume the name Adam Smith.
But they did some research in 2022, um, 2 million years of life, um, how safer smoking alternatives can level up health and tackle the cost of living crisis.
That's a lot of buzzwords.
That's a, that's like a fair trade vegan restaurant of buzzwords there, isn't it?
But basically their research seemed to indicate that by having vaporizers and like nicotine gum and things like that, 2 million years of human life will be saved in Britain.
But yes, they're going to take that away, at least in part, because children are doing something that's already illegal, which doesn't really make sense, to my mind anyway.
So there is potentially an alternative reason for this.
It's somewhere in this BBC article.
It mentions the following.
So it says, the bill could be brought in using existing legislation designed to protect the environment, which I find interesting, because you thought, you know, protecting the health of children, they would have some sort of legislative president, but no, apparently... I think this is the other jump to, we need to pass this bill because what environment, I'll be honest.
Yes.
I can see how if you throw millions of these things away every year.
So the key thing is they have lithium in, and obviously, as you probably are aware, there's a bit of a fight for lithium supplies at the minute between the West and China, because isn't it used in semiconductors?
You'll probably know this Callum.
Off the top of my head, I don't remember.
All the batteries we're building.
All the batteries, yeah.
That's true.
So if we're going to have all of this green energy, then we can't have all of the vapes using up all of the lithium.
Oh no, Josh.
Does it really use that much?
Look at that article on the bottom right.
I found my son's vape stash in the roof.
We need this ban.
BBC, you've convinced me.
I'm a bad parent.
We need this ban.
I read that.
Why have they laid it out like it's acid or dildos or something?
It's like, okay, it's a vape.
I'm sorry there's an alternative if your kids are doing that you could literally buy them a bag of fruit juice That's what they're addicted to.
They're probably addicted to the taste.
It's tasty and fruity.
I actually read that BBC article that you pointed out, and that is, they're talking about how fruity they are.
And, you know, I think it's lame, personally, that they're all fruity, but... Oh my god, children, search for sweet tastes.
News at 9, I suppose.
I know, many revelations at Lotus Eaters here.
There's also this as well.
And this is an announcement from October of last year that Rishi Sunak is going to create a smoke-free generation by ending cigarette sales to those born after the 1st of January, 2009, which I thought was a bit ridiculous really, because of course, just saying, okay, if you're born before 2009, if you're born in 2008, you know, go ahead, kill yourself. 2010.
Well, that's a different story.
Suicide is now banned if you're born after 2009.
But this all fundamentally comes down to the question of should adults be able to do things that they know are bad for them?
I mean, because this logic of... I mean, this is the real poison of the NHS, frankly.
We've mentioned this many times.
The Americans, when they talk about... It's all to save money.
Yeah, well, as soon as you have a state-funded medical system You have a mandate to control everybody's health.
And that means every decision they make, which doesn't just stop at tobacco, obviously, it goes into the food you eat, which obviously Americans are very patriotic about.
We have a sugar tax in the UK because fat people ruined it for the rest of us and made sweet things more expensive because they can't control what goes in their mouth.
But the alternative is you have a private healthcare system, which the US isn't the only one.
It may be a very bad private one, but it's not the only one in the world.
And what happens is if you get really fat, you pay for it with your money and your life.
And if you smoke a lot, you pay with it, with your money and your life.
And if you don't, you don't.
But that's actually a functional society, whereas when we have one in which the government has a mandate to come in and tell us literally every aspect about our health is to be controlled by them.
It's just, what's the point in living?
They've got no place they can stop.
Never mind the fact that, you know, they always skirt over alcohol because, you know, it wouldn't be a popular policy if they're just like, you know what, we're going to ban alcohol sales now.
That is obviously next.
Yeah, that's in the pipeline.
But I would be very surprised if people would be willing to go along with this sort of prohibition of alcohol as opposed to vaping because many hypocrites drink alcohol.
So I don't know.
But anyway, that's worth mentioning as well.
And there's an unlikely hero in this story, and that is Liz Truss of all people.
I never thought I'd agree with her, but she said it will create an absurd situation where adults enjoy different rights based on their birth date.
And she said... That's not a particularly good argument.
Well, she carries on to say, a conservative government should not be seeking to extend the nanny state... People of different ages get different rights, that's... Well, as in adults.
As in between adults.
I know what you mean.
But yeah, you can't really determine, oh, the people beforehand, they deserve these rights.
Other people, not so much.
And she carries on to say, this will only give succor to those who wish to ban further choices of which they don't approve.
That's fundamentally what we were just saying, right?
And I think that is correct.
It's rare for me to agree with Liz Truss, but here we are.
And yeah, I think that all of this is pushing in the same direction.
The government really wants to control your health.
They want healthy workers that don't cost the holy NHS any money because they have no vices or life.
They live to work and they work to live.
That's what the government wants out of people, because that is optimal for the people who pay their salaries, which isn't the taxpayers, it is their donors.
Consider as well all of the pushes for banning meat products, or trying to reduce people's consumption of meat.
Now I'm not saying that smoking is good for you in the same way that having, say, a steak would be.
But they are going to use the same scientific-backed arguments to make those claims.
There is already a number of studies that have been published over decades that suggest that eating red meat like steak is bad for you.
Now, they correlated it with heart disease, for instance.
But in those studies themselves, they didn't actually control for the lifestyle of the people they were studying outside of the red meat consumption.
Seems pretty fundamental as a methodological process.
And so it might have just been a blip in the data that the people who were eating more red meat were also leading more unhealthy lives.
But that data will still be used to justify this sort of thing.
And it will also use it to justify, well red meat causing more heart disease, well that means we need to ban it for the NHS.
But even if eating one steak takes one year off your life, I don't care.
It's damn worth it.
I'll do as I please.
I'll die a happy man if I get to eat a lot of steak.
Yeah, if you're just damaging yourself, you're an adult, you get to make the decision for yourself.
That's a way of living.
I'm personally not convinced because, you know, meat is the only food group in which you can actually sustain yourself and not have nutrient deficiencies if you eat it solely.
You can't do that with any other food group.
That's why I'm saying even if it literally was made of uranium or something.
I don't really care.
Eating the Chernobyl elephant's foot only.
I've seen a number of testimonies from people going for the carnivore diet.
Now, I've not tried it myself, so I can only speak for what I've heard from these people, but a lot of people saying that if you move your diet entirely to meat and even just switch to ground beef, for instance, if you want to keep it really, really simple, have all of your meals The ground beef breakfast dinner.
Sounds a bit boring.
It does sound boring, but people do it for health and mental health reasons.
That it's actually improved their quality of life, their quality of sleep, their mental health has improved off of the back of it.
And you ask yourself, okay, so that's, is that why the government want to ban it?
Because it makes you potentially healthier, more independent.
To be fair.
Less of a consumer.
We're talking about these.
These probably don't make you healthier.
They're not doing any real damage that we can point to.
Well, that we know about.
Yeah, it's unknown damage.
With tobacco and nicotine consumption, there have been some studies put out there that suggest that for a very short scale time, there is a minor increase in testosterone from smoking.
Right.
It only lasts for a few hours, but they do suggest that.
And I think that was meant to start this month in January.
And so it seems like there's been a global effort at the same time.
It's funny how that keeps on happening, isn't it?
That all policies seem to just co-occur in lots of different Western countries.
New Zealand at the same time, although they're pulling back on it.
Yeah, well done, New Zealand, for actually pulling back, I suppose.
And it's also worth mentioning this, and this is epitomising the same underlying philosophy of, we can't solve a problem by making it illegal, you know, because Americans make fun of us, that we get told off for carrying knives and things like that.
and that there's gang crime where people stab each other in London and the government and the police have failed to tackle this in an adequate way and so they're just banning the style of knives and then machetes that they're using and you know there's less of a legitimate reason like the zombie knives are just weird there's no real reason other than you think they're cool for your For people who don't know what zombie knives are.
So they're these big-ass knives, and then they're stylized to look like the kind of thing you'd have in a zombie apocalypse, right?
They look like Daedric Swords from Skyrim.
I mean, I can kind of understand walking around London why you'd want something for the zombie apocalypse.
They're actually worse at killing people, but they do look kind of scary.
That's all the gimmick is.
They're more built for chopping than stabbing.
Sure, but stabbing is much more effective for killing people.
I'm not giving people advice, I'm stating facts here, gentlemen.
The point is that they failed to tackle the problem, and rather than actually coming up with a new strategy to tackle it, they're just going to ban a thing.
They failed to stop children vaping.
Sadiq Khan said that we can't...
We can't arrest our way out of this problem, obviously, so we just need to ban knives altogether.
Yes.
They can't stop children vaping, so they ban them.
They can't stop children stabbing each other, because this is particularly for young people, so they're banning the specific knives, you know, we're gonna need a license for a butter knife soon enough.
And also, Harry put me onto this one, spot one of the things in this picture that's not like the others, but also all of these are still legal to own.
These are things that have been seized by a... A fencing sword?
It's a rapier, isn't it?
For those not watching, so this is a tweet from 2019 from Regents Park Police about a weapon sweep and all of the knives that they collected from it.
They arrested a chef.
Yet, one of these things is not like the others, because all of the others could be said to at least have a sharp point at the end of them.
I see it.
I hadn't seen that.
There's a rusty spoon.
There is a spoon.
So this police force failed knifey spoonie.
They'd not played that one before.
They couldn't tell the difference.
We play the game of knife.
You're pulling a deadly weapon.
Oh my god.
I'll have you boys.
I'll take you on.
He's got a spork!
Quick!
So you've lost.
That took you ages to get out.
It did, yeah.
You've got your eyes by that point.
But sincerely, I mean, I guess I'll smoke you to death.
Like he's a wasp.
I hate the flavor.
Right.
But this is very much the assault weapons ban argument in the US.
It's like the style of weapon I shall ban.
But the thing about the assault weapons ban is it gets to this level.
I mean, it is the same argument where we're banning knifey spooning.
I mean it ends up being, if you're talking about America, it ends up being just a rhetorical trick where they'll name rifles that have been available for decades which have very specific limited uses and they will suddenly be rebranded weapons of war so that your average... These are weapons of war.
Yeah, so that your average... Have you ever used a pair of tongs for war?
Your average dem normie will hear that at home who's never even handled a gun before and go, oh my god, I want weapons of war off my street.
I want more weapons of war on my street.
They'll probably... people will behave better, really, if everybody's got a weapon of war.
I wonder why rates of assault are so much higher in Britain than America.
It's funny, that.
I mean, it always works in Chicago, right?
Yeah, gun control.
It worked there, didn't it?
No problem with crime there.
But anyway, the point being, all of these are still available.
You know, they're not fixing the problem.
They're just trying to make themselves look good.
That's what it is, I think.
As well as pushing, increasing control on the population for whatever their nefarious agendas are, depending on the domain.
Another example of this was the online safety bill, which ended, well, threatened to end.
There's still a grey area around it.
About online encryption and, you know, things like WhatsApp, for example, you know, you have end-to-end encryption, so you can't be spied on.
You know, the notion that you can talk to someone and the government not stick their nose in and read what you're saying to them is kind of normal.
Like if the government were going through all of your letters, it would kind of be a bit weird, wouldn't it?
But because it's digital, it's fine.
It's what the Soviet Union used to do.
It did, yeah.
It's just that tyrannical.
And it is!
And again, this is a failure of government policy that has resulted in people losing, you know, normal people, law-abiding people, losing their right to do something because of policy failure.
And this seems to be a recurring theme in a lot of these things, that the government is just relying on banning stuff because they're rubbish and they can't do things properly.
And so they're just like, oh, forget it.
Just ban it all.
And, uh, obviously that's tyrannical.
Obviously, I don't agree with that.
Obviously, I don't want people smoking or carrying knives around and stabbing people.
That goes without saying, but it doesn't mean that the government should ban it either.
Fair points.
I suppose we'll move on.
All right.
Give me, give me, oh, I owe you.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I need, I need things.
You can have a mouse mat as well.
Can I have a knife?
All right.
I can throw that to you as well.
Oh, God.
Josh, do you want your vape back?
Not really, but go on.
I don't have a use for this either.
There you go.
These are really Moorish, actually.
All right.
So let's take a peek behind the curtain, lads.
So what's the one thing that the establishment in Europe and America, and basically everywhere else, lets you know constantly that they're most terrified of?
You?
White people.
Yeah, me specifically.
Yeah, Harry Robinson.
That's reasonable.
They're going and having secret board meetings, parliament, the cabinet.
Right now I think we need to fix this Harry Robinson problem.
He's becoming too powerful.
Finally someone's addressing it.
His hair is getting too long, we need to get him a haircut.
Pin him down and get a barber, quick.
And I say, no!
No, you cannot cut my hair.
This is the strands of golden freedom.
Is this actually what the segment's about?
No.
No, this isn't a segment addressing the audience as to why I'm not cutting my hair, alright?
I wouldn't do that.
If I decide to cut my hair, I'll do it when I'm goddamn ready.
Okay?
Like a free man.
Yeah, like a free man.
Like a man of the North.
So, no, what I'm talking about is populism.
Populism being that watchword that people now use to scare normies, as always, saying that democracy is being threatened by populism.
It seems to be the thing that everybody in the establishment is terrified of.
But isn't democracy a form of populism?
No!
Because populism is giving the people what they're actually voting for, whereas democracy is the exact opposite of that.
You know how in democracy they say our democracy?
Exchange the word democracy for deep state or international finance and then you've got what they're actually trying to protect.
It is quite funny to say that they're saying my democracy as if they possess it, other people are trying to take it.
That's literally it.
Which is how it actually functions, isn't it, as a term?
Yeah and I wanted to examine a part of this which I don't think gets spoken about quite as much now.
I know that there was a live stream done last night from AA on containment and I don't want it to overlap with that because I am kind of covering some of the same, some similar subjects because there is a part of what you could deem the establishment or the mainstream right which does act as a form of containment and the thing is they tell you
about this and they will tell you that what they are trying to avoid by highlighting particular problems that right-wing working class and middle class people are always bringing up the sort of thing that we talk about they say out loud that they're only talking about it to try and get it solved so that it avoids people like us voting in populists who might oust them because they are a part of a particular club
They are part of a particular class, the populists are not of their class, they're not necessarily of our class, but they're different, they're a different group and they don't want to get replaced by that group.
As somebody who can empathize with the feeling of not wanting to be replaced, I can understand why they're trying so hard to protect themselves in such a way.
But these people are normally sort of progressives driving at the speed limit, aren't they?
They certainly are, but they are starting to take on more... the camouflage is beginning to get better.
And a lot of them even are starting to highlight some genuine problems, which I do think that an actual right would start to solve.
And I'll get onto that as we go along.
You alright there, Callum?
Yeah, just making sure my spoon's okay.
Okay, as long as the spoon is safe, all is well.
First, though, I'll highlight that we've got a new symposium which I was on with Stelios talking about Humboldt, who was a German political philosopher and also a political statesman around the late 18th, early 19th century.
His book, The Limits of State Action, which was very interesting.
And while he and I disagreed on a few things, I think overall we had a very interesting and productive discussion that ended on a rather wholesome note, I must say.
So I'd really, really recommend you watching that.
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And I've just got some examples of what's going on in Europe at the moment, where how populism is always brought up, dredged up, you could say, as the boogeyman.
The boogeyman that you at home need to be scared of you're worried about changing the changes in society and want them fixed oh you best not want to do that because that'll be populism and populism is scary you don't want to be replaced by Africans oh you're a populist which means that you're a fascist because the people are fascists is essentially the argument that is always being used.
You need to have the enlightened expert class to come in and govern everything, yadda yadda yadda.
This is what's going on in Poland at the moment.
I'm sorry to do this to you, Callum.
I know that Poland used to be your good example, but... F. Yeah, F's in chat for Poland, boys.
So Poland's new leader is hell-bent on restoring democracy, even if it means war with his populist rivals.
Now, what do you imagine restoring democracy entails practically?
Does it mean loading the institutions with his cronies so that he guarantees his own victory again and again in an unfair way?
It's almost like there's a playbook to this whole thing that we see repeated again and again because you're absolutely right there, Josh.
How did I guess?
The country's public television channel, TVP, which essentially became a mouthpiece for the previous government.
See how it's a mouthpiece?
It's a scary thing for the previous government.
has been ripped off the air, which is a good thing because it's done for democracy.
The good things.
It's bad when bad people do it, and it's good when these guys just decide no.
Two senior ex-ministers in the PIS governments have also been arrested inside the presidential palace, and those on the right of Polish politics have taken to the streets in an effort to drum up pressure on the new leader, that being Donald Tusk.
An egg-breaking approach to restoring democracy is what this is being characterized as.
But weren't the previous government democratically elected?
Multiple times, yes.
I've never heard anything bad come from the sorts of people who compare this kind of action to breaking eggs.
You know how you save democracy?
Is you take over the media, arrest the opposition, and also Rig the justice system by replacing all the judges with your cronies.
Because that's the next thing.
Okay, Joseph Stalin.
Yes, but once again, there's more than just local, that being Polish, pressure for these kinds of measures to be taken because... He's obviously a German plant from the EU.
Well, yeah, it says on the European stage Tusk will hope to soon unfreeze funds for Poland that were blocked by the European Union over the PIS degradation.
Degradation of the rule of law.
But they were the governing party, so they determined the rule of law.
Yes, once again, when we come in and govern by executive action, that's the rule of law.
When they do the same thing... When they pass it in Parliament, it's popular and then they enact within the legal system what was voted on.
Yeah, but the EU doesn't like it.
Yes, shut up.
And that's who's actually pulling the strings there.
We've got more examples.
These are all just relatively recent.
Politico, populism keeps rattling the globe.
Elites have no idea what to do.
So the question is, what are they going to do in response to that?
Because you are ruled by people who hate you and their corporate interests, and they think that you're fascists because you don't want your country to be sunk.
Well, I think the elites are probably indifferent to us, like the journal, journalistic class certainly hates.
I think if the elites had any kind of empathy, sympathy or any feelings at all towards us that weren't anything but hatred or pure apathy, they wouldn't be so antagonistic towards us and they wouldn't be trying to replace us.
I think they have an attitude of entitlement, don't they?
Like we're rich and powerful because we're better, basically.
Yeah, I can definitely see that.
There's an example of this, what I'm talking about with the corporations, is that apparently, according to The Economist recently, Donald Trump's populism is turning off corporate donors.
And if we go see here, so the dark blue is corporate donations to the Republican Party.
And around 2016 is when they were at the highest, but now it's dropping again to levels before George Bush.
So because of the fact that Donald Trump is representing a populist wave in America, I mean he has been for years now supposedly, but because of that the corporations have decided that they don't want to support him anymore and they say that it's basically because of the fact that they don't like the fact that populism encourages economic protectionism and immigration restriction and they want to have entirely globalized open markets and they want to be able to replace you with cheap slave wage.
It's funny that The Economist, an outlet which would ordinarily complain about corporate money being the determiner of elections, is now saying, oh well, this is a sign that Donald Trump is going to lose, you know, he's doing terribly because he doesn't have all this corporate money backing him.
But also it's a sort of revealed preference from the corporate money.
What a horrific thing to say.
I know.
It's like the entire actual electoral system relies on corporate money from a few rich Americans.
Yes.
That's an oligarchy, that's not a democracy!
It's primarily funneled through super PACs, that's true.
But if the corporations aren't putting the money in, it means that they genuinely believe that Trump is going to express populist policies and therefore he can't be bought.
Surely that's a positive indicator.
And to be fair, in this same graphic, it shows the Democrats are not funded as much by corporations, or at least as much as the Republicans are.
They're more funded by labor groups, but let's be honest, most of those labor groups will be another super PAC, similar way to funnel money from elite interests and massive billionaires to these political parties.
Some of them are certainly large enough to function in that way, aren't they?
Yes, they absolutely are.
But the thing is with populism is it turns out when you have leaders who are supposedly populist in charge, it's quite good and people get what they want and people's lives become easier and more fulfilling, which is why the Financial Times, for instance, has to start asking questions like this.
Why hasn't populism done more economic harm?
That's a good question.
Why hasn't it?
Why hasn't closing off globalist interests done more harm economically?
Why is it that the GDP line probably went down a little bit or just stayed the same level, but people didn't immediately start selling them on the streets because they found themselves in economic ruin?
That's strange, isn't it?
This is a good question.
Perhaps it's that, um, you know, making sure that people have jobs and decent wages in those jobs in a local area means that they get to live good lives.
But no, according to this article, I'm not going to read any of it, but I read through it and the gist of it is basically, oh, it does actually cause economic collapse.
It's just that the economic collapse only ever happens after the populists get voted out, which is why it looks like- Yeah.
Trust me, bro.
Which is why it looks like Joe Biden's the one who caused all of this economic damage.
Donald Trump didn't have to deal with the Ukraine-Russia crisis and all of the sanctions that we were forced at gunpoint by, I don't know, God or something, to put all of those sanctions on Russia.
I mean, seriously, it's an absolute joke.
And then, here's another one.
What's the benefit?
Why do people vote populist?
Well, it's because the maths of right-wing populism are easy answers and confidence equals reassuring certainty.
This is political posturing.
This is sloganeering.
This means absolutely nothing.
I always kind of hate that.
People are like, you're just providing easy answers.
It's like, but why are your answers so incomprehensibly stupid?
Well, I'm not for people writing obviously false things, but you do run into like the block of text or just someone wasting your time just waffling.
It's like, I've got nothing out of this.
You have nothing.
I can tell you have nothing.
Well, the easy answer is population going up, house prices going up, native population staying same, immigration at record levels.
Hmm.
Yeah.
There is actually an easy answer.
That's exactly what I mean.
That's comprehensible.
Whereas what you will get out of a Tory politician is some blocko text about how lower wages means lower prices, which means you're more wealthy.
Trust me.
Josh, you'll know this, you'll have internalized this out of sheer rage.
What's the mainstream explanation for why inflation happens?
Because the easy answer... Don't make me say it!
The easy answer is that, yeah, the money printer go brrrr, and more money means those individual tokens of money are worth less, comparatively.
What's the mainstream reason that they always give?
Well there have been lots of reasons, like I saw an article saying it's your fault for buying expensive things, that's why inflation is high.
And things like that.
It's not that the currency supply is inflated, it's that you pay more for things.
The clue is literally in the name.
What happens is the Bank of England goes, more people are shopping at Marks and Spencer's.
Print more money!
Print more money!
We have to print more money!
How else are they going to buy Marks and Spencer's goods?
They have to go back to Lidl, goddammit!
So who's more responsible for inflation?
The Bank of England or Marks and Spencer's?
Hmm.
I don't know.
Who's got the money printer?
And then even ostensibly right-wing organizations like the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian-leaning think tank, produce articles like this from 2019 called Terrifying Rise of Authoritarian Populism.
Now this one's particularly painful and ironic given that the Cato Institute was co-founded by Murray Rothbard, who was an out-and-out and very proud populist Yeah.
Who wrote articles about it and how he thought that America needed to take back charge of its borders and how they needed more power in the hands of the people or at least leaders doing things for the people rather than for their own interests.
But the Cato Institute wants you to know that only authoritarians would ever want to do anything.
Hang on a minute.
The article appeared in September 2019's issue of Reason.
So they're the bad libertarians.
They're the kind that I don't like.
Oh my lord.
But to address what I was mentioning at the beginning of this segment, you do start to get this shift of the right wing, where the right wing, supposedly the right wing, likes to say that populism is terrifying as well.
And this brings me on to something that I found very disappointing.
Now, Stelios sent me this interview from The Spectator.
Andrew Neil speaking with Christopher Caldwell, who's a member of the Claremont Institute, talking about How immigration and net zero will stir up Europe's populist right.
And I thought that this was interesting because it is a somewhat peek behind the curtain of how people in these power structures operate and what they're talking about and why they do the things that they do.
Because Christopher Caldwell is an author that I actually quite enjoy, or at least I enjoy one of his books, that being The Age of Entitlement, which is still a book I would recommend anybody to read because it's an examination of America since the 60s.
As the subtitle would tell you, and it goes into a lot of the failings of things like the Civil Rights Act, leading to affirmative action, the lowering of standards, the lowering of living standards for Americans, also the failings of the Reagan administration.
He points out quite notably, I think in the very first sentence when he starts talking about Reagan, that under Reagan's leadership, the American deficit tripled.
Which, for a small government, doesn't sound like small government.
You cocked up.
Yeah, he also talks about the problem with the Immigration and Nationality Act, I think that was in 86, which gave amnesty to all of the illegals, which just told other illegals who wanted to come into the country, if you stick around long enough, then eventually you'll get amnesty.
I love how that is the immigration equivalent of the Purge, which is like, all crime that has been committed against this nation's borders, legal.
Yep, there you go.
Just for one day, you won't do it again.
Imagine doing that at a smaller scale.
Like, all home invasion is now legal.
It's all forgiven.
Headly, headly.
Why?
Because there's just so many home invaders.
It's not an argument.
It's a terrible idea and terrible thing that happened.
He also Very critical, as I mentioned, of the Civil Rights Act.
It says here, the book received considerable attention for its chapters addressing the consequences of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Although originally conceived as a one-time corrective to end segregation and racial discrimination, Caldwell argues that the act created an endless imperative for social re-engineering at a great cost at the expense of liberty and social cohesion.
And he makes that argument very well, to the point where people like Oron McIntyre and other people who are on what I would consider to be the actual right wing use this as an excellent starter entry point.
for people who want to examine those arguments.
And it is a very good argument.
So the Civil Rights Act says that you have a duty, essentially, to show that you are not racist.
It doesn't say that you need to implement quotas or anything, but when you start to throw that into the courts, how is the court going to have any objective measure to prove that you're not racist?
Prove that you didn't beat your wife last night, Josh.
I don't have a wife.
Still.
You could have beaten her.
Yeah, you could have beaten her, though.
You're gonna need proof.
Ah, you don't have a wife because you beat her to death.
That's why.
Yeah.
So, as a company... You got me.
As a company, how do you have proof that you're not racist?
Well, you say, well, we don't have discriminatory hiring practices, but then they go, ah, but your staff is almost entirely white.
How does that happen if you're not discriminating?
So then... Beauty!
Yeah, exactly.
That's how the judges and the courts worked.
So that ends up adding in a lot of legislation and a lot of court decisions that essentially mandate quotas for affirmative action, which inevitably means that they have to end up lowering standards because, well, we're not biased in our hiring practices right now.
We've ended up almost all entirely white and Asian.
So I guess we'll have to lower those standards if we want to be able to get people in who aren't white and Asian.
That's what happened.
It's a very interesting book.
And this really disappointed me.
In this interview because of the way that he's talking about populism and the discussions in Europe to do with populism with Andrew Neil who we all know is a traitor.
Yeah.
Anyway, but the arguments he was making in Age of Entitlement were very populist.
But then when you start to see the way he discusses problems like this, you begin to realize what's going on.
It's similar.
Essentially, the book, as I can tell, is he's still talking from within the ruling classes, within the institutions like the Claremont Institute of the ruling classes.
What it's saying is to other people within his elite strata, We're screwing up here and people are starting to notice.
So we need to fix this before we get kicked out.
That's what all of this is to do.
And let's see some examples.
And this is when they're talking about immigration into Europe and problems that it's created in places like France.
And Christopher, Andrew mentions Macron.
Of course, Macron actually did team up with the PEN recently when it came to his plans on immigration because he needed the support.
How much of this do you think is being driven on the continent by concerns over immigration?
Do you think that is the main push?
It's a very interesting thing because immigration is really not at its peak now, either in the short term or in the broad Picture of things.
We're in the winter now.
There are fewer boats coming across from Africa, and we're not even really having a major push the way we did in 2015.
But everyone's thinking about it.
And it's kind of interesting that in France in November, there was a stabbing in the Drome, which is down in southeastern France, sort of near Grenoble.
The kids who did the stabbing were all French, but they were of migrant background.
And there was something about the incident that really got people hyped up about migration.
The issue is big.
I think there's no question about it.
That's probably because multiple sources said that they were saying it in Arabic.
And also one of them said, we're here to kill white people.
And they just turned up to this event in a small village and indiscriminately started trying to stab people.
That's probably what got on the people's skin.
Well, note the complete disconnected language that he was using.
They were French, but of migrant origin.
So they weren't French.
No, of course they weren't.
And speaking about it like it's one isolated incident.
It's not.
I always love the French.
They speak such good Arabic.
It's the best.
Even in North Africa, sorry.
Even in North Africa, you know, they're colonies of the Muslim-speaking world.
They speak French.
So, just saying.
Yeah, so that really disappointed me because I would expect somebody who wrote such an excellent and piercing book on the subject of what was going on in America would at least interject that this is a terrible thing that happened.
So what it gives me the impression of, as I mentioned, is that this interview is so that people who are in Parliament or in positions of political power who check out The Spectator... People who have not been paying attention for the last 10 years!
People who have not been paying attention go...
Oh wow, we should fix that before people vote populists in.
And you can see the exact line of reasoning from Andrew Neil here.
I think this is a very telling clip as to why exactly it is that the establishment don't want populists in.
I'm more concerned though that this rise in right-wing populism is really serious and bad news for Europe.
And it's not for the normal reasons.
People tend to talk about right-wing populists as just they're a bit more right-wing than the mainstream right.
But that's not the way to see it.
They stand for things entirely different than the mainstream right.
Now you look at Europe, which in my view is a continent in real trouble and a continent in serious decline.
The European Union's economy, even without Britain, used to be the same size as the United States.
Now, it's a fraction of the United States.
Europe is in economic decline.
It has a revanchist Russia already causing mayhem in the Ukraine, and who knows if it is allowed to win there, where it will go from there.
At heart in Europe, you have a problem of governments are too big, Taxation is too high and regulation is omnipresent.
So, let's just take the economic circumstances of Europe at the moment and the problem with Russia and Mr. Putin.
What did the right-wing populists bring to that?
Well, first of all, they're big government people.
They ain't Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher.
They believe in big government.
Indeed, if you take Madame Le Pen in France, her economic policies are not that different from Mr. Mélenchon, who is the Jeremy Corbyn of France.
They believe in big government, they believe in government intervention, they believe in government control of industry, they believe in protectionism.
They do not believe in markets or a Jeffersonian-type limited government or taxation.
So that doesn't help Europe to move down that road.
And then you take the second thing.
You would sometimes think, as was the case in the old days in America, where it was, say, Ronald Reagan versus Jerry Ford, two Republicans.
Reagan was the more right wing and therefore the more hardline against Russia in the Cold War.
That's not true with this populist right.
They like President Putin.
They've got a soft spot for the Kremlin.
They repeat Kremlin talking points when they appear.
Look at Mrs Maloney's party.
The she has not gone down that road.
Madame Le Pen had one of her election campaigns bankrolled by pro-Putin banks.
So if you take the two big threats that Europe faces, one Russia, the second a declining economy, a sclerotic economy, the populist right can only make them worse.
I don't think he said the same thing.
Nothing he said maps onto reality.
The idea that we're living 50 years ago, we're not.
Literally, nothing he said maps onto reality.
The idea that we're living 50 years ago, we're not.
There's been 50 years since the 70s.
Great observation.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's what he's missing.
He may not remember that anymore.
Yeah, so he's sitting there being like, oh man, they're not free marketeers like the mainstream, right?
You live in Britain!
We do not have some low-tax, low-intervention, free market system.
What are you talking about?
We basically live in a socialist state.
We have the highest taxes since Zivor.
I mean, the level of regulation is so unattractive most companies set up in Ireland or anywhere else if they can help it.
No one invests in this country.
If you make money in this country, you invest internationally.
There's just nothing you say has any mapping on to where you live.
Never mind some abstract place you're thinking of.
You live in this place and don't know where you live.
I think one of the things to take away from that is that he clearly sees that the populist right is outside of his class and has different interests to him.
The old right that he appreciated, like Reagan's right, Despite the fact that he says, oh, Reagan was so small government, he's speaking to the guy who wrote a book that mentions how government exploded the deficit of the government.
He never actually calls him out on that one, by the way, as the interview goes on.
What they what they value is international markets.
And international wars.
We need to be aggressive internationally, both financially and militarily.
Whereas the populist right, supposedly, are saying we need to have more closed markets, which you may disagree with, Josh, but there's some variety in opinion there.
And they also need to be a little bit more isolationist.
We shouldn't be going out and doing military interventions in the Middle East or in Eastern Europe or anywhere else.
Yeah, what are we getting out of it?
So it's this fundamental shift in priority that they don't want because they know that it's so different to them.
They don't have a place in that order anymore, which is why that fundamental difference.
I think right on the money is.
Is it in our interest?
That's both of those questions there.
Whereas the populist right asks that question, and then if it's not, say, well, bugger off then.
That question isn't even asked by his worldview.
Well, it is, but his interests are opposed to the interests of the man on the street, like you or I. Whereas the populists at least sympathize with the man on the street and want to make life a bit better for him.
And the interesting thing as well is that this was all for Spectator, and it's worth noting here that Spectator is currently edited, I believe, by Fraser Nelson.
And if we go out of this video clip, John, and go to what I've got next on the links.
Oh, am I going to?
Oh, yeah.
Wait, oh, God.
Oh, God.
We're very professional here.
If we go to the next link, so Kunle Drukpa posted this back in, I think it was December, yeah, when Fraser Nelson was saying about how we shouldn't restrict immigration because it means that we're, think of all of the concert pianists that we might be kicking out of the country.
It's interesting to note that back in 2017, he had this interview where he just said this outright about essentially containment techniques.
Her experience so far of her short premiership is if you persuade people that you're listening to what they have to say, that you don't reject their concerns as being bigoted or xenophobic, That if you talk in a language that is more in common with neglected voters than it is with the metropolitan fashionable elites, then that goes a long way.
You don't have to come up with policies, you know, banning immigrants or anything like that.
All you need to do is to basically say to people, I hear your concerns.
I mean, let's look at David Cameron.
He actually, I think, He did quite a good job here as well.
Nobody expected him to win a majority in 2015, but he did.
And he had a policy of cutting immigration by two thirds.
Now, he completely failed in that target, but the fact that he had that target counted for a lot because it meant people thought at least he wanted to control immigration.
Lie.
There you go.
Literally, that's what he's saying.
It's just lie.
Pretend like you care about people's issues and then do what you were going to do anyway.
I mean, fantastic.
And that's one of the ways that they are kind of containing the populism that's been rising up in Europe recently.
We'll see how people like Gert Wilders and others go.
But the fact is that some of these people who over the past few years were presented to us as being the rise of the new fascism, the new populism in Europe.
They're going to kick all of the foreigners out.
They're going to close all of their borders and their markets.
It's going to be just like 1933 all over again.
...were, whether through the European Union or other ways or other means, were contained masterfully.
Maloney, instead of actually doing the things that she said, has instead gone to the Shoah Museum on Holocaust Remembrance Day and complained about Nazi fascist evil.
This was the woman who was sold as the heir to Mussolini's throne, who was going to put military blockades on the Mediterranean Sea.
Instead of doing that, she's signaling her anti-fascism.
Yeah, she didn't turn out to be the Nazi everyone said she was.
But she also didn't turn out to be useful, really.
The more fundamental point being that her main campaign was stopping illegal immigration, and I believe recently she said that she's going to increase legal immigration and do nothing about illegal.
Well that was pointless then.
I think it's something ridiculous like 835,000 new immigrants needed in Italy to fill up jobs vacancies by 2025.
She went from yeah maybe we shouldn't be invaded by people coming here illegally to well more immigrants equals more goods within six months.
Fantastic.
And then we also have Marine Le Pen, another new Hitler in waiting, we were told for years, saying that actually I can't support the AFD anymore because they suggested that maybe we shouldn't have all of this foreign population in Germany who are actively hostile to us.
That's too far!
They're literally chanting death to the Jews.
That's what they're talking about here.
Well, that's too far.
That's too far.
You need those people in your society.
They're productive members of society, Callum, and if you want to get rid of them, you're a populist, which means that you're the reincarnation of Hitler.
So I don't know what we're going to do about this.
I can hope that the people who have been voted into quite a few places in Europe recently, like Goat Builders, I can hope that they're going to end up doing something that will be positive for Europe as a whole.
But we'll just have to see, because these things can easily happen.
And also be aware of the people that you're reading the books of.
Even if the book is very good, it might be that they wrote it for an audience that isn't you.
Alrighty.
Well, no, we'll move on.
Try and have some fun.
We don't have fun here.
I have fun.
All I do is fun.
We watch Andrew Neil and his disgusting arse chin.
Ah, that's true.
You had to have noticed that, Josh.
I was mainly focused on the nose, to be honest.
Yeah.
Highbrow political constriction here.
That's the alky nose, isn't it, right?
No comment.
Anyway.
I'm here to tell everyone that the gig economy has gone far too far, and I'm not just talking about zero-hours contracts or people working illegally off the big gig economy and everything else.
No, no, no, no.
I'm here to talk about serious gig economy.
The gig economy that is the police force, which I didn't know was a gig economy, but apparently has become one.
So this is a video clip of what is an unpaid volunteer officer.
Be honest.
Did you know this was a thing?
No!
I mean, I'm sorry, even if she was full-time paid officer, she is a small, unthreatening woman.
She's not going to be able to protect us from the abdals.
Sure, we're not getting onto that though today.
We're looking instead at just... I didn't know this was a gig you could get, but this clip that's gone viral about this woman is she's standing here shouting at a lady who wants to sing church songs.
Or busking or something.
And so she comes up and is insistent that you're not allowed to sing church songs outside of church grounds.
Which isn't the law.
Doesn't make any bloody sense.
And who the hell are you?
Is she trying to suggest it's a public order offence or something?
It's really weird.
I don't have time to play the whole thing now, but she's literally just arguing in a foreign accent.
Which... Huh?
Okay.
Like, a very strong foreign accent.
Is she some foreigner or something?
She's Bulgarian.
Oh.
So this Bulgarian unpaid volunteer officer is dictating to people the laws of England that don't exist.
A Bulgarian woman comes to England, immediately plays dress-up.
Yeah.
That's what we've got here.
We've got a foreigner playing dress-up, telling Englishmen what to do.
And at the end of it, it's also just stupid because the person filming, she then just does that, the person filming.
It's completely unprofessional and an embarrassment.
The whole thing's just an embarrassment.
That's the kind of professionalism we expect from our officers in England.
So this was weird, to say the least.
And the response... You know what?
I will play it.
Why not?
It's only 30 seconds.
Let's enjoy this.
No miss, you're not allowed to sing church songs outside of church grounds, by the way.
You're not allowed to sing church songs outside of church grounds?
She just said you're not allowed to sing church songs outside of church.
Outside of church grounds, unless you have been authorised by the church to do this kind of song.
What does that even mean?
You've got to get church authorization?
To sing outside of the church?
Because don't you know church songs belong to the church?
Okay, it bollocks.
If you do Christmas caroling, you're going to get arrested.
That's it now.
And well, the police started getting mocked for this, because what is this?
I didn't even know unpaid volunteer officers were a thing, because why would you do that?
Why not make unpaid volunteer Servicemen!
Just, I'm an unpaid member of the military.
I kill people as an unpaid basis.
There's a couple of benefits in it, so that's why I do it.
No, like, policing is actually a serious business.
As in, there's something we actually take seriously, because it's the enforcement of the laws and fair dealings between the citizens and the state.
But nah, just any old twat.
Kind of if you're bored.
I mean, I don't have as much of a problem with it.
You get people like volunteer firefighters, so I don't see it as being that different from it, but this- Well, there are strong standards there.
Well, I would hope that there's strong standards in the police, but even when they're being paid, there aren't strong standards.
So this is all just a symptom of decline.
It is, it is indeed.
And the police got very upset because people started taking the piss out of them.
Because, as you can see here, that was the original post.
And underneath, the police are like, this was filmed over the weekend.
We understand you were concerned.
And then at the end of it, they just write, we're aware of significant social media commentary.
Hello.
Some of the comments are personal and hurtful.
This is unacceptable!
Boo hoo.
You have the power to arrest people at will.
Shut up.
That's right.
You, watching from home, you made a social media manager for the Metropolitan Police cry in the bathroom on her lunch break.
Honestly, good job.
You wouldn't hurt a police officer on the internet, would you?
You wouldn't make a police officer cry, would you?
Social media commentary is hurt.
I need Gene Hunt to be introduced.
Into this situation, and I want to see what happens.
What's wrong with Gene Hunt?
Is he smashing in a nonce?
Good on him.
Whereas, no, we get volunteer play software.
Please see that, Stan.
He is hit by a murder on the internet.
Why are they hurtful?
Why are people online making personal and hurtful comments to your volunteer?
Truth hurts, I don't know, child.
Well, it's because they just made up the law, tried to enforce a law that doesn't exist, which is tyranny and unlawful.
So yeah, this is kind of the problem.
Policing is serious business for this reason, which is you actually have to have the training and the understanding of the job, because if you cock it up, this isn't just like getting given the wrong kind of carrier bag.
This is actually a serious situation where people need to know the laws, and if they're unlawfully arrested, well, they will sue the police.
Even the police officers that are qualified still get the law wrong quite often.
Yeah.
We see that all the time in the job that we do, right?
I mean, let's be fair, there is a ridiculous and unworkable number of contradictory laws in the UK, so really you need to go through with just, not even a surgical tool, just with a chainsaw and tear up most of the laws.
Channeling your inner Millet there.
There is a quite wonderful thing you can do though, if you're a police officer struggling with that, which is telephone, and you can look up the legislation.
You don't have to carry around 400 billion pages, as you rightly say, which is a burden.
I saw you putting your phone on silent there.
Yeah, sorry about that.
So people, obviously, immediately, you can see by the comments, look at those numbers.
Just took the piss.
That's a hell of a ratio.
Get a sport job or another job.
The police officer was a nonce.
Is the Met account monetized or something?
Is that why they're trying to get so much traffic?
They have got, they don't have one of those, oh no, they do have one of those proper verification badges.
Maybe they aren't making money off this, but yeah.
Clowns.
Gifts, butthurt report, fill it in, at your pleasure.
You could put in, I want my mummy if you need.
I saw your face there, Callum.
It goes on and on, just people being like, look at you, look at the state of you.
It sounds like you're talking to that toddler on the screen.
That's what the toddler's saying, to the police officer.
Bullying toddlers now, Callum, if you stoop to that low.
I will teach them a lesson.
Anyway, Callum's forcing them to smoke vapes.
He's finally picking on someone his own size.
That's the drug salesman over here.
Anyway, moving on because they got mocked, of course.
And so I thought I'd go and check out why were the police upset exactly.
And of course, there's the various comments under here.
So I went and had a look for those vicious personal comments that were made about the lady.
It was just crap like this.
It was just memes.
I checked out every quote tweet.
All of it was just people posting memes like this.
Stuart Lee bit, isn't it?
I've seen this and Stuart Lee is making fun in this of the person saying such a ridiculous thing.
But sorry, Stuart, you live in England.
Yeah, so that's just what this country's like.
So Stuart Lee here was playing a jerk of like, oh, people who are right wing will say crap like, these days you'll get, if you sing a hymn, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.
Say that you're British these days, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail!
That's the actual thing he says, isn't it?
Well, I mean, it keeps happening.
What do you want?
Or it was people who were angry.
Nick Dixon here was just like, you want people to sign up to die for this when this is your police force?
Yeah, no thanks.
So do you want to guess what kind of gig she does?
Because Oh, she's a Costa.
She's a Costa barista.
Oh, it's been hidden for being sensitive.
Let's have a look.
There we are.
It's not very sensitive.
Do you know it's illegal to make coffee at between the hours of 11 and like, 15?
And there's nothing wrong with being a coffee barista and then doing a bit of... I did it for a while.
I was at uni.
This isn't a dig, to be perfect clear, in case there's someone who doesn't get that.
Coffee is an essential good.
Yeah, like, she's got a job.
I'm sure she's great at making coffee.
She's crap as a police officer.
I don't think that's controversial.
Everyone's good at everything.
Were they just walking around, you know, two officers going, oh, we've got a shortage at the moment, lads.
And they walk into Costa and she overhears.
Basically, it seems so.
Hate hymns?
Well, you can join the Met Police.
Because I didn't know this was a thing.
And it goes on.
I mean, this is the Daily Mail, who, in case you think I'm being low or something, this thing, this article here, is just a gossip rag for the longest time of loads of text.
Just talking about her life.
I don't really care about her.
Yeah, I mean they talk about the holidays she's been on, and how she's been to Egypt, don't you know?
It almost feels a bit perverse.
I don't agree with what she did, but I don't know what she's been on.
To be fair, there is a question.
How the hell is she working a costa job, living in London, volunteering unpaid, and then affording a holiday?
Well, I can tell you some of it, which is, uh, turns out it's not that unpaid.
Oh.
It's, uh, you don't get any money, but what you do get is a bunch of benefits.
There's the right here.
And the first one's obviously the kind of bollocks they put on every job.
Transferable skills!
Shut up.
It means nothing.
Aren't most skills transferable?
Yeah.
I don't know about you boys.
I'm bored of reading that on jobs where it's like, hey, if you apply for this job, you'll get some transferable skills.
You'll have to do things and those things you do might have other applicable situations in the future.
Oh my God.
You will learn social skills.
Callum never asked for social skills and he never won them.
That's a deal breaker.
Didn't want them.
And he wasted my time.
So, anyway.
The actual benefits, the things that are worth a damn.
As you can see here, all MET special constables are entitled to free travel on the Londoners Tube, buses, district... What does that stand for again?
The DLR.
It's the DLR, whatever.
It's basically the trains, but shit.
Tram link, Emirates Airline Cable Car.
Yeah, you wanna get on that one cable car in London?
It's free.
It just sounds like they're making stuff up now.
These are actual real forms of transport in London if you haven't been.
You get to have free rides on the Sky Bicycle.
The Magic Carpet, that's what it is.
Plenty of days in London.
But basically, if you do 200 hours of duty, so that's two shifts per month, you get free travel across London, which is not a small deal.
That'll save you a lot of money.
Very expensive.
So no wonder you've got Costa Baristas signing up for this.
Yeah, because I mean, she gives up two shifts a month, so that's a weekend a month.
She gets that, which is huge.
That's not small.
It's actually quite a big deal.
If you live in London, that's massive.
Not to mention you then get discounts on goods and services for being a member of the Met Stop.
Yeah, and then they list the Met Friendly Society which offices financial services and savings for Met officers.
I took a look at that, it's mostly crap to be honest.
You can get the same office as a civilian.
Kind of pointless.
But either way, it's not that volunteer-ish.
You actually do get significant benefits.
And that travel one ain't small, to say the least.
So there we are.
That's probably how she affords the holidays whilst being a London barista.
I wasn't expecting my question to be answered, but thank you very much.
You're welcome.
The horrific aspect of that, obviously, being... Why would a foreign person from Bulgaria just turn up in London and be made to be on the front lines of policing?
I know.
I should be policing the natives.
Yeah, if I went to Bulgaria and thought the first thing I need to do is police the natives, people would accuse me of colonialism.
You there, do you have a license for that donkey and cart?
Yeah, but they just won't take notice in Bulgaria, I promise.
They'd be like, English, go away.
And you're like, but I've got a warrant card.
They don't care.
Well, I think there would be something quite romantic about just going to a foreign country and asserting my own laws above theirs.
That's the colonialist in you speaking, Harry.
That's the eternal Anglo in me speaking.
You long for India.
We don't have the opportunity to do that anymore.
Unless, of course, you're a foreigner coming over here.
There is one more benefit, which is a 50% rebate on your council tax.
That's quite good.
That's very good.
London as well.
Yeah.
So there we are.
It's not that volunteer.
Well, you would have thought, okay, well, it would require some training to be on the front line of policing in London.
It's not significant.
As you can see, some basic training on verbal communication.
Well, clearly not without that one.
Conducting an arrest.
I mean, that's not that deep.
Conducting stop and search and then some other basic stuff.
And she didn't even really Display any of those skills anyway.
She didn't actually arrest anyone.
She didn't stop and search.
Professional standards?
No.
Communication was terrible.
Poking your tongue out is in the actual police handbook.
Don't do it.
It's an expert technique.
Only the masters are allowed.
Decision-making?
Failed.
It's not significant, is my point.
I mean, the standards for policing are kind of wacko anyway.
Like, they've been getting weirder and weirder.
I think, when we're having a debate, I think they may have passed this.
You need to have a university degree.
That's true, yeah.
You're a full-time police officer?
A police friend of mine does, yeah.
Whereas you don't have to be six foot.
It's an actual requirement.
If you're a frontline police officer, you've got to have been to university, and therefore it selects for the kind of person that applies, meaning they've been through the leftist brainwashing machine.
Because it used to be you had to be six foot, and the uniform made you look like a superhero, frankly.
And now it's this.
Okay.
Thanks for the fact check, John.
If you didn't hear that, John said Suella Braveman abolished that.
So Callum, I know that you're not the tallest man in the world, but do you literally see a man over six foot tall wearing a bobby outfit and a hat and you look up and you go, wow, Superman, wow.
I'll rephrase it.
Does a Pakistani man look at the six-foot Anglo in his cloak and dark uniform?
We don't have a cloak, do we?
Now you're presenting it like that.
Once again, we need to inject some romance back into these things.
No more high-vis.
Get the police their cloaks back.
But if I'm a Pakistani drug dealer, you know, there's that and then there's, you know, this lady.
I mean, Not to put too fine a point on it, but you can, well, use your eyes.
Unless you're listening to this.
So there we are.
But yeah, no, the country is a meme.
I mean, I love, I'm just going to end this off on the fact that the whole country is a meme.
Because a lot of the responses in there were a lot of Americans.
Because what else are you going to do when you see something from Britain on social media?
So I'll end this off with this, which is another laugh.
I'm sure the American audience will enjoy.
So here we are.
This is a national careers opportunity.
That's it for an astronaut!
Astronaut position to work for the UK government because obviously that's a government position.
Makes me feel a little bit better.
Yep.
Still earning more than me.
Starting salary for a British astronaut to obviously be working with the European Space Agency is 40 grand.
The requirements are quite hard.
You have to have a master's degree.
Um, in a specialist subject like physics or what not, I would imagine an excellent level of physical fitness as well.
That rules me out.
And you will get £40,000 starting and go up to £86,000.
That's it.
You've got a definite ceiling as an astronaut.
I love the bit that we'll get back to.
Do you want to give up your entire life and spend months at a time in space for that?
Yeah, so the details in here are just all hordes of Americans just being like, what?
Really?
Like, this is how you live?
This is how poor this country is now.
Yeah, I do love, this is the best one.
You could work evenings, weekends, bank holidays away from home.
This is, to highlight, this is in a country where, as you have pointed out a number of times, there are positions going in NHS trusts for diversity management, where they can get paid up to £250,000.
BBC was getting paid £250,000.
Yeah, that was it, £250,000.
Still my tax money.
Yeah.
So, um, that hordes of this is just Americans taking the piss out of us, which, um, well, I agree with you.
And the thing is you can click on the link and then go to it as well.
It's there.
I also love like, what does it take?
And they go on to talk about how you'll be working away from home and it's like... Can I just be shot into space without a space suit at this point?
Just do me in.
Yeah, there were some nice WoJack reacts to this.
It's like, candidate must have a STEM postgrad, US dual citizenship, speak Russian, and be between the ages of 27 and 37, starting salary 40 grand.
There you are.
Yeah, that Russian part is true as well, because they want you to be able to interact with the Russian side of the space station.
So, there's that.
And again, under this, it's just a horde of Americans being like, are you serious?
Like, are you actually serious?
This is the starting salary for graduates in the US.
And then they're like, eh.
Yeah, so we'll go and check out NASA, because they have their own page on payment, for a point of comparison, in case you're wondering if I'm being a bit exaggerating here.
And I forget where exactly it is on here, the payment section.
There we are.
Starting salaries, current wages are between $141,000 US dollars, $183,000 US dollars for an astronaut.
That sounds a lot more worth it.
Yeah, might be worth giving up your life instead of Your £40,000 starting salary of a UK astronaut, which... So it's £110,000.
Yeah.
The lowest pound, at least.
And you will be paying lower taxes because, well, you're American.
If you situate yourself in a lovely place like Texas or Florida, even better off.
But there we are.
That's the UK.
It is a joke.
For good reasons.
The video evidence, if nothing else.
Let's go to the video comments.
I thought that was fun.
You've made me so depressed!
Look at how bad our economy is.
Even our astronauts are getting paid a pittance.
And here I am, I can't afford to own a car or a house.
It's less than half a US asset.
I can't afford to start a family.
Why even work?
Let's move on.
One for Carl and Connor.
I saw you recently went to Whitechapel.
That used to be my neck of the woods as well.
I lived in Bow.
And I went a few years back, just walking down Whitechapel Road, meeting a friend.
And there was this sign on the side of the road by a newsagent, an advert for toothpaste.
And it has this girl sitting there, sort of smiling in the advert, as you do.
And her hair had been completely coloured in black.
Her mouth had been covered up, coloured in black.
And whore written across the bottom of it.
All around me, all Islamic shops.
It's a completely transformed place.
That's a weird dichotomy.
Yeah.
I've been to Whitechapel relatively recently and it was actually scary being there.
You know, I'm not that much of a wuss, you know, maybe a little bit, but I've been to dangerous places before and it just had this vibe of, wow, this feels very different to Britain.
This feels edgy and scary.
I've not been Whitechapel, but I had very similar feelings whenever I've been to Brixton to see gigs because I was there as well that same weekend.
Oh were you?
Did you get a similar feeling there as well?
Well I went to an indie rock gig so it was a bit of a different crowd.
Well still if you get far enough away from the venues when you're still in Brixton it really starts to feel dodgy there.
And that's just the case for lots of boroughs.
I think I was probably by that point too drunk to notice.
Go to the next one!
So it seems that the video comments from Thursday were also played with the video comments from Friday.
That's why you had two videos of Cooper, one of which referring to a video in the same lineup.
Not gonna complain, because my joke suggestion for the piano got a laugh out of Connor.
Also, Connor, the glasses don't make you look like Potter.
If anything, you're more of a Father Anderson from Helsing.
Harry, you gotta show it to him.
There are two Coopers!
I've not actually watched Helsing, and don't you start throwing Twin Peaks references at me right now.
It's like catnip to me, isn't it?
I do kind of have a bit of a Bob look going at the moment.
Alright, let's go to the written comments.
We need to get them up first, don't I?
I'm looking at the chat instead.
Okay, there are some general comments.
Andrew Narog, swearing on the podcast, banned for children's health.
Yeah, naughty naughty.
Back off!
It wasn't me, it was him!
You're a very naughty boy, Callum.
Yeah, what's going to happen?
Our monetisation will get taken away?
I'm going to flick your ear.
Corporal punish you.
We're going to force you to smoke that entire vape in one go.
We're going to record it and put it on the internet and shame you.
I didn't want to do what got girly lungs.
I didn't want to do what got him coughed.
Tom Scott did.
You seen his?
No?
Yeah, it's hilarious.
Tom Scott decided to do this massive drag of the vape before talking about them, and he just actually dies.
So they had to cut the clip!
His voice goes really funny first, he goes... His eyes bulge out!
I'm gonna look at that one.
He can't breathe.
So, Tom Scott or Tom Scott?
I'll get it for you.
Tom Scott.
Oh, okay.
Don't know who Tom Scott is.
I'm not terminally online, no.
You are not very educated.
I work on an online business, talking about online things.
Nine to five, and when I'm out of the office, I'm touching grass.
I go back to the 19th century.
Doing nothing else.
I just fondle the grass.
I walk around.
I've got a terrible hunch from it.
Harry would actually be seven foot if he didn't hunch over touching the grass all the time.
So I've sent you it, John, so we can load it up to educate Harry.
Okay, we're watching it now, good.
Shall I read some of the other comments while John's loading it up?
That Texas girl says, immediately off the rails must be Callum, Josh and Harry.
And someone online, Callum learns about peer pressure.
Yeah, that was, this was actually Callum's idea.
Yeah, I thought it was funny.
Yeah, so it wasn't even us.
We're not being the naughty older kids.
Callum pressured himself.
pay pressure on YouTube.
Yeah, let's enjoy this.
All right.
Very...
Yeah, he was trying to do something about copyright and did that for an opening shot.
That was your first drag, to be fair.
Yeah.
So, Alex Ogle, this is quite a long one.
The main constituent in vapes is Propylene Glycol.
Propylene glycol, I think I pronounced that correctly.
It is largely harmless and is an excellent retarder for water-based airbrush paint.
It is the element that creates the great white plumes when you exhale.
The problem, as with everything, is dose.
Young have a tendency to take huge clouds of vapor and try to blow rings and create other novel effects.
Propylene glycol can deposit on your lungs and cause irritation, leading to breathing complications.
This is more common in children who do not know how to moderate their behavior.
Dose is key.
It's very true.
I mean, you could apply the same sort of thing to alcohol, where you can die from drinking alcohol.
I've drank alcohol a lot.
I am not dead.
Therefore, there is an effective dose.
We also talk about the fact that children are getting hold of vapes.
I'm sorry, does anyone stick to the legal drinking age in this country?
I didn't.
No, of course not.
Nobody bloody does.
Bollocks.
I've looked this same age for about 15 years.
I definitely did not stick to the legal drinking age.
You aged, but then you've aged well into your aging.
Yeah, I basically stopped aging when I turned 15.
I'm starting to get a few wrinkles now.
I think it's catching up with me.
The Wigan Survivalist.
As someone who used to smoke and vape, the only thing I would argue a vape is worse than a cigarette is I would have a cigarette every two hours or so but with a vape I was puffing it like a pacifier every two seconds and I noticed a lot of other people doing the same.
I think it's because with a cigarette you can be stinky and it's like a social disincentive because you don't want to smell like cigarette whereas a vape you smell like fruit.
Which is not nearly as bad.
At least if you're sort of out and about and also you have to get up and go outside so you're not stinky.
Hang on a minute.
What are you looking at here Callum?
Why not give it to Hampta?
One hour of silence occasionally broken up by Hampta.
I just want to see what it was.
Did you skip to one of the timestamps?
I'll tell you what we can do.
Harry, would you like to read some of your comments?
I'm curious about Hampton now.
But it's one hour of silence.
No, it's not.
It's not.
Every so often.
Go down to the timestamps.
This is how they get you and then you'll sit there for an hour listening to silence.
I'm not asking for an hour of silence.
I'm asking Callum to go to one of the timestamps so we can understand what Hampton does.
I think it's more fun if we organically play it.
Or just in the background.
Alright, okay then.
California Refugee.
V pointed out one article mentioning the farmer protests everywhere.
They called it agricultural populism.
Expect to see that more because heaven forbid we allow those nasty gulaks to own the farms and not the government.
Well, yeah, that's the thing.
In about 40 years' time, if we're still under the same regime leadership, and it's just switched to, you know, people with different names, but the exact same people, really, then populism will probably be under some kind of propaganda campaign to make it sound... to replace fascism.
Essentially, they will use it interchangeably.
Thomas Howell.
Populism isn't that popular.
Anarcho-localism and remoralization is the key.
I don't really know exactly what you mean by that.
If you mean local communities and people need to have morals, I agree, but you need to get the elites out of the way first to be able to do that, because the elites don't want you to be able to live a moral, local life.
They want you fat and addicted to pornography.
Grant Gibson.
Don't forget, Andrew Neil lives in continental Europe now, and that's why he's afraid of the European populists.
Oh no, if Marine Le Pen gets in charge, she might make me, I don't know, buy a treadmill or something, lose some bloody weight.
Kevin Fox.
How to make populism work for the people.
All politicians get paid the average national wage in 10% and expenses limited to 75% of their income.
Politicians' wage can increase dependent upon their counted votes.
For every 1,000 votes they beat their nearest opponent by the basic wage rises by 1%.
Politicians cannot have... This is all very complicated.
I say absolute monarchy.
Joshua Beebe.
I am more... That might be the easy answers people were talking about.
I am more and more convinced that the world will be more violent but ultimately a better place once the boomers move on to the great unknown.
Joshua advocating the day of the pillow there.
They are the most out of touch... You don't need to worry about that.
They're the most out of touch with reality generation I can imagine and they have been that whole...
Your mimicry, your mind work is incredible there.
As callous as it can be for some people to hear, yeah Josh, I do agree that the leaders that we have in charge are boomers or people who have been inculcated into the boomer worldview, so that is a problem.
That sounds even worse!
Ending the lobbyist industry would go a long way to fixing a lot of problems with the pay-to-play mindset going on in politics today, and then bringing back the noose for high treason.
Definitely agree with that last bit.
Lobbyists and NGOs all just need to be destroyed.
Non-violently, but destroyed.
And that would solve a lot of problems.
Yeah, they need to be liquidated.
That sounds even worse.
Does it?
I mean, you have the liquidation of the kulaks in the Soviet Union.
That was literally the term for it.
Yeah, nothing bad ever happened to them.
Yeah.
They either got killed or deported to Siberia.
I retract my statement.
So, let's go to your comments.
Sure.
Alrighty.
Do you know where they are?
No.
Do you want me to know where you are, what day it is?
No, he definitely doesn't know what day it is.
Do you know what your name is?
Silly boy.
Andrew Narog says, the idea of unpaid volunteer foreign police officers is absolutely baffling to me.
Next time will be mercenary armies.
Remember that Aristotle pointed out that a tyrant walked around himself?
That was just a person speaking, that was rubbish.
That was crap!
That was not worth the wait!
And that interrupted Aristotle, dammit!
Aristotle, to finish my point, pointed out that tyrants surround themselves with foreign mercenaries instead of their own citizens.
Yeah.
That's where we live, too.
Robert Longshaw says, Budget Belle Delphine in police cosplay has entered the chat.
You know what, that's actually a funny video idea.
Cosplay as a police officer.
No, but she could sign up.
She's British.
Well, you don't need to be British.
What am I talking about?
She could sign up, get the whole thing done.
I mean, they can't kick her off for being a prostitute.
I bet quite a few men would want to be put in handcuffs by her as well.
Imagine a little fiend single-handedly cleans up the streets of London.
All the road men, all the people in balaclavas with the zombie knives.
They're just like, you know what, love?
I don't know why they would talk like that.
Yeah, but anyway.
I know how they talk.
Madman, yeah.
We're out of time, so if you'd like more... Hamster.