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Nov. 19, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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Epstein Release Watch: What Happens When Trump Signs
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Welcome to the lineup.
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We have a lot to get into today, but look, there's a lot of people talk about a lot of infighting going on on the right.
I don't think it's nearly as much as you see on the left uh, but there is some and we'll address it probably in the coming days.
Can we all find some common ground though here?
On one facet we're going to be talking about Epstein.
Comment below, none of us.
Pam Bondi, uh sucks.
Pam Bondi's an idiot.
Is that fair?
On with the show.
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It looks like you're digging a hole, Josh.
Yeah.
That's what it looks like.
And?
Well, okay.
Why are you digging a hole?
For gold, Gerald?
It's the best investment you can make.
Something wonky happened to the economy.
Armageddon, bombs start going off.
Everybody fails.
Banks.
I got the good stuff.
I'm set.
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Shh!
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I mean, yeah, I hit him like really hard, but he wasn't supposed to do anything about it.
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Hmm.
Glad to be with you.
That's right.
Do I?
I usually do the rundown in the cold open.
Yeah.
I forgot to.
Oh, my gosh.
Run it down.
All right.
Well, we're going to be talking about the Epstein files being released, okay?
We're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about Chicago schools.
I don't know if you know, a lot of fraud there.
Kids are dumber than ever, but the administration is richer than ever.
And the President Trump Saudi royalty.
That was a lot of fun.
We'll get into that as well as our greatest ally, not only Japan, but Toyota.
Let me ask you, what are your expectations of the Epstein files that will, in theory, be released?
Do you think there'll be anything new?
Do you think it'll be heavily redacted?
Do you think it'll be entirely redacted?
That's about it.
Captain Morgan, CEO, how are you?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
You know.
Your back's out.
Yeah, it's okay.
Because I sneezed.
Yeah.
I sneezed because I was sneezing the wrong way.
So I turned my head to sneeze and it was already been it went pop.
That's not good.
Oh, geez.
Saturday, December 20th, Springfield Comedy Club in Springfield, Missouri.
You can follow him on Twitter at not underscore Firestein.
Sorry, you can't follow him on X. That's not him.
That's not me.
Yeah, you gotta find me somewhere else.
That's yeah.
Yeah.
How are you doing, Mr. Fire?
I'm excellent.
I like this first story.
Yeah, I do too.
I really, so there was.
Watch the factor of the story.
The story.
I just like the story.
I like this.
Well, for many reasons, you'll see.
I like this broad dame.
Lady.
Recent Miss World.
Was it Miss World?
And then she was representing Chile.
I don't know.
There's Miss Universe, there's Miss World, but she's from Chile.
And the talent portion of her competition, Ignacia Fernandez surprised some people in the best way.
I know you see her, but that's not the best part.
Is that Eddie Bravo on guitar?
I don't know which one she is.
Sick go to you.
She's actually pretty good.
Here it goes.
I would unironically listen to this.
Is this English or Spanish?
Doesn't matter.
Nobody knows.
This is the universal language of hate.
Somebody called that lady's dad.
And then someone had to follow that.
Yeah, someone's like, these are my plates.
I am going to twirl a Dimatan.
Oh, I got you.
I give it to the demon lady.
She's deserved a wee.
By the way, we actually have footage of her practicing before that without makeup.
Oh, well, that makes sense.
Yeah.
She doesn't look a day over 30.
I think that's right.
No, she knows.
And she won.
She won.
So good.
I appreciate her willingness to step out and take a risk.
And sometimes it yields dividends.
She's actually a lead vocalist for a death metal band there in Chile.
Yeah.
They're called Pinochet Was Right.
I think that's hilarious.
A death metal band lead vocalist won Miss World Chile.
I wonder when she did like the pre-pageant sort of approval if she just kept this in her back pocket and didn't tell them.
Or did they know?
Or was this a complete surprise?
Going into like death metal and screamo as like a very attractive yard.
It's a little weird to me.
I don't know.
It just doesn't seem like the natural track.
Admonish, Gerald, that was not Screamo.
It was not Smith.
Big difference.
Noodles knows the difference because Noodles is into metal or?
Yeah.
Or I said or.
Yeah, that's a reason.
That's like saying house music or folk.
That's like confusing Deadmouth with Bob Dylan.
I didn't confuse anything.
It's not even close.
No.
Doing death metal or going into Screamo.
Right, yeah.
Young, attractive girl.
Those are very similar, crazy thoughts for me.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, Andor Maduro.
Slayer, I can hardly tell apart Slayer from Saves the Day.
I never said they were the same.
I'm saying they're both weird.
Okay.
Pretty young.
Go.
A young, attractive girl to be like, yeah, I'm going to be the lead vocalist for that.
I'm just glad she's actually a woman.
Yes, she's personally.
Isn't it funny how her standards have lowered?
I'm just going to sit over here.
Actually, I will say, I have no problem with this, but like Christians in the 2020s are defending Hooters.
Really?
What cosmic wormhole did we fall through?
Wait, what?
Yeah, Hooters was going bankrupt.
And it was conservative Christians.
Like, yeah, come on.
What do you, because they have to go woke?
They have to have men as female waitresses.
You didn't follow the story?
No one else a Hooters fan?
No.
No, I didn't keep a close ear to that.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I didn't keep my ear close to it.
I didn't keep abreast of the story.
Oh, geez.
Oh, that was awful, Gerald.
You were on a roller coaster.
He's on a real hot wing streak.
Yeah.
I want to present to you something.
We've talked about this before when people talk about our greatest ally.
No, it's not Israel.
It's not even close.
The Japanese.
The Japanese have been.
Japanese.
Here's the thing.
They really do appreciate America.
And I think what we love most about the Japanese is it's an entirely different culture.
They seem so un-American.
Like their accent, it doesn't even function in our language.
No, no, no.
But they embrace all things American.
So let me leave this with last week, Toyota announced a $10 billion investment in the United States, including about $900 million to actually expand this hybrid production at five United States plants here.
It's a $10 billion bet that Toyota is making when it comes to production here in the United States.
A lot of that money will be spent.
They make you a neck.
EV and hybrid production and battery production.
And today the company is beginning production, battery production at a new plant in Liberty, North Carolina.
Tariff rates are more clear with Japan.
That certainly has helped.
And I think, look, like all major companies in Japan, I think they telegraphed with the administration, at some point we're going to be making another big commitment in terms of investment in the United States.
And that's what they're doing today.
And Toyota, just so you know, all references available link in the description.
They employ about 50,000 Americans.
And up until recently, this is an important number.
Actually, Lane the Brain found this.
Credit to him.
The Toyota Camry was the most American-made car.
That takes into account components, assembly.
That was from 2015 to 2016.
And now it's the Tesla Model 3.
But there's something in the fine, sort of in the fine print there.
If you look at Toyota, they have 50 H-1Bs.
Tesla has 1,090.
Wow.
20 times the number of H-1Bs.
Think about that for a second.
What would you consider more American-made?
A car that brings in foreign labor at cheaper rates to take jobs that could go to Americans?
Or a place like Toyota that employs Americans.
They come here, they set up shop, they open a plant, and Americans work for that company and assemble largely American-made cars.
And they're not even an American company.
Tesla is.
Right.
They should.
In theory, they should have more American cars.
Yep.
And here's the funny thing is the chairman of Toyota, his name, so he was at NASCAR.
We're going to show you the outfit is unbelievable.
His name is Toyota, but it's with a D. That's just the Japanese spelling of Toyota.
We add the T.
This was informed by Lane the Brain.
He's not the same.
You're thinking of a Toyota.
I am a Toyota.
It seems like you were born for this role.
No, you pronounce a Toyota.
It's Toyota.
You're saying the same thing.
No, I Toyota.
You say Toyota.
Very different.
Toyota.
Not the same thing.
Okay, Toyota.
You Americans have many words, mean many things.
Toyota.
One word have one meaning.
Toyota.
Like a NASCAR, mean NASCAR.
Watch a Mr. Toyota at NASCAR.
He's got a Vance Trump shirt.
I know, right?
And a myth.
America rates.
I love it.
How can you not love that?
That's awesome.
You know, they're so logical.
And matter of fact, you know, you turn like, Barua, don't forget, go fast to turn rift.
The Japanese, and I think this is one of those things that is very emblematic of sort of male relationships.
Like, we nuked their country and now we're friends.
Exactly.
You know, you can let bygones be bygones.
We got into a fight.
Yes.
And then it made us stronger afterwards.
And I don't think.
Like a little brother with a speech impediment.
Yes, exactly.
That's pretty much it.
Basically, basically, we, you know, kind of, I guess you could say, not destroy their country.
We did a number on them.
That's fair.
We did a number on them.
And none of us predicted that they would become America's booster club.
And that's what they are.
Now, here, look, here's case in point how much the Japanese love American culture.
A bar in a basement where the heartbeat of Tokyo is Texas.
They do love karaoke.
I like punking music.
It's a theme song.
And an undefeatable.
Yes.
Oh, a misteckle.
Look at this.
What a jewel for.
He's the biggest titanium in a league at £150.
Yeah.
What is this?
Rock up his breakdancing.
It sounds better in Japanese.
I got Japanese KonoSendu. KonoSendu.
Connor Senator.
I'll get so good.
Good for them.
I will pray the feeders.
I love it.
I love it.
Again, who would have thought that they are a cheerleader for the United States in many ways?
And you don't see the same kind of anti-American sentiment.
Like after what happened with Hiroshima Nagasaki, you know, you're talking about not that long.
Elvis, they were paying attention because he's still big there.
There's so many Elvis impersonated.
Don't step with my persuasion.
You're what?
I'll have a brief Christmas without you.
You are nothing but a hound dog.
You cry all the time.
Stop crying.
A bad dog.
Bring a greatest shame to family.
Don't cry.
Don't cry.
Gearhouse Rock!
Why are you criminal?
Dancing in the jail is supposed to be bird.
Not a fun time.
Not supposed to dance in the jail.
Supposed to be the punishment for crime.
Jail, not for fun.
That is what the Toyota Tacoma for.
And there's a lot of investment in the United States.
Like, great, good.
And this is an example of, and Toyota, they talked about how we actually want to build where we sell.
And they were saying, you know what?
We don't blame the United States.
I'm going to pull this up.
There's a quote here.
We don't blame the United States with the tariffs.
That's not where we're not upset about that.
We understand it and we want to work with our American allies.
And when you look at the amount of revenue that's been generated through these tariffs, look, there's going to be some growth and some shrinking.
There are going to be some ripples that take place.
But the Japanese are a good example of how to handle it.
And they're an example of what a friend should be, unlike Canada.
Also, later this week, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order replacing Diwali with Toyota Than.
So that's fun.
Yes.
Finally.
A holiday we can all get behind.
Yes.
What is a Diwari anyway?
Not a real holiday.
No savings.
Diwari is not a December to remember.
That's a different company.
It's Lexus, same company.
It's a send company.
It's just a premium.
Oh, come on.
Or Rexus, if you're...
Oh, no, Jared can't tell a difference because he can't tell a difference between Death Metal and Screamer.
He can't tell a difference.
He confused the Beatles and the PGs.
Yeah, yeah.
One person goes, the other person goes, sorry, I didn't say and ABBA.
Same thing, General.
News is about to kill me over here.
You're not crying while screaming.
Are you listening to Five-Figure Death Punch or Five for Fighting?
Sorry, that's our argument.
I can't tell them from Maroon 5.
Who's your favorite of Meadowban?
Moroon 5 or Jackson 5?
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It'd be nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, smell it.
Put it right there.
Yeah, right there.
It looks good.
I'd rather smear the bag than a zeroed finger.
What?
Where do you put the death here?
In a screamo.
Go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with sticky fingers.
They call him a Toyota because he put it in his tailpipe.
He does a full finger call him a forerunner.
And his wife becomes so coded to him, she called a tundra.
He beg her, no, he say, a Prius, a Prius.
I'm going to have some of this blackout coffee here.
See, I'm fair game again after being sick.
Go ahead, Gerald.
Say something.
You got to make up because we didn't admonish it yesterday.
I don't know.
Every now.
I'm sorry, guys.
Hey, we're at work right now, guys.
Get it together.
Yeah.
You gotta be serious.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Okay.
I've got to get rid of that because otherwise someone's going to clip this.
Steven's crying again.
Cry for me, baby.
Cry.
What happened to you?
Your taser will break in.
I love it when you guys do a Japanese story because the voice comes up and invariably it turns on me somehow.
I have no idea.
Japanese voice just excited.
All right.
I need to clear the palette here.
I got to sit.
I have a job to do.
I'm crying about something else.
Yeah, it's okay.
It's Gerald.
All right.
President Trump met, of course, with one of the benefactors of this show, Mohamed bin Selman.
But here's something that, you know, think of this as a through line.
Remember when President Trump was running for office the first time?
And then we had the results, but they still tried to use this talking point the second time.
And I think that's a big reason people don't trust the media.
They would always say, well, you know, Donald Trump, we're going to be disrespected.
We're going to be a laughing stock on the world stage.
Then we saw what happened with President Trump's first term.
Then we had Biden.
And they still say, if you re-elect Trump, well, you want to be a laughing stock again?
I've not seen that.
I've seen the opposite.
But just so they don't memory hold this, this is what they told you would happen if Trump was our president.
We even lost Canada.
Is there anyone in the world that still respects us?
I will try to make it happen.
200 million investors.
He is a great negotiator.
Trump has driven America's influence into an iceberg.
The first female prime minister in the history of Japan, Madam Prime Minister.
Trump has done incredible damage.
You should work at the bank at Harry Potter.
Yond, please.
What was always thought of as great American leadership on the world stage?
But Donald, thank you very much.
This now implements on car tariffs and aerospace our really important agreement.
And so this is a very good day for both of our countries, a real sign of strength.
So thank you again, Donald.
A really important day for both of us.
Great people.
Great people.
World leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.
The Emirates' first astronaut gave President Trump a tour of the presidential palace before the UAE bestowed on President Trump its National Medal of Honor.
And President Mohammed bin Zayad promised to invest $1.4 trillion in the U.S. in the next 10 years.
What we saw today were leaders from nearly every democracy on earth signaling that while Trump is abandoning democracy and vacating our spot as leaders of the free world, that they're going to step in.
And just think about this for a second.
Let's assume what the left is saying.
Let's assume it's true.
On which side would you rather be?
The one that Japan allies itself with and invests in, or Canada?
You want to side with Canada bemoaning the United States?
Canada is irrelevant.
It's basically a communist pit these days.
It's an awful place.
And I can say that because I lived there for a long time.
So that's even assuming what they're saying is true.
And that brings us to Saudi Arabia.
Look, I get it.
Saudi Arabia, of course, not a bastion of human rights over there, but there's no choice but to deal with them.
And by the way, every single president has had to deal with Saudi Arabia.
So would you rather have presidents who deal with Saudi Arabia and are subservient, or presidents who will have a meeting with leaders of Saudi Arabia and actually pressure them into investing in the United States?
You have to deal with them anyway.
You can't just not meet with anybody.
So when you see the left melting down about Saudi Arabia saying Donald Trump is supporting terrorism or whatever it is that they're saying, remember how Barack Obama dealt with the Saudis much sooner after 9-11.
Yeah, I don't have a problem meeting with Saudi royalty.
I have a problem with bowing.
The president of the United States bowing.
Yeah.
That's us bowing.
They didn't even expect it.
They were just like, oh, okay, I guess he's bowing now.
All right.
Cool.
Of course not.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what Barack Obama did.
Donald Trump welcomed the Saudi prince, and again, a benefactor to Ladroskrader Mohammed bin Salman.
White House, it was eventful.
Mr. President, is it appropriate, Mr. President, for your family to be doing business in Saudi Arabia while you're president?
Is that a conflict of interest?
And Your Royal Highness, the U.S. intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist.
9-11 families are furious that you are here in the Oval Office.
Why should Americans know?
Who are you with?
And the same to you, Mr. President.
I'm with ABC News, sir.
You with who?
ABC News, sir.
Fake news.
ABC fake news.
One of the worst.
One of the worst in the business.
But I'll answer your question.
As far as this gentleman is concerned, he's done a phenomenal job.
You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial.
A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about.
Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen, but he knew nothing about it.
And we can leave it at that.
You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question like that.
Yeah, he was tough on her.
He was one step away from Mike Tysoning her.
Are you talking out of turn?
No, I think we're all talking together.
I normally don't do anything with women unless I fornicate with them.
So you shouldn't talk anymore.
But if you wanna...
He's a crazy peak, Mike Tyson!
I don't talk with reporters unless I fornicated with them.
So do you want to?
I don't think so.
Bishops!
You're talking out of turn.
By the way, and I just realized who Mohammed bin Salman looks like.
Mission Control put side by side.
He looks like terrorist, when he smiles, terrorist Brendan Schaub.
Find it.
You'll see what I'm talking about.
So Mohammed bin Salman responded to the assertion about 9-11 in Kashagi.
I feel painful about the families of 9-11 in America, but we have to focus on reality.
Reality, based in Siya documents and based on a lot of documents, that Osama bin Laden used Saudi people in that event for one main purpose, is to destroy this relation, to destroy the American-Saudi relation.
That's the purpose of 9-11.
So whoever buying that, that means they are helping Osama bin Laden's purpose of destroying this relation.
About the journalists, it's really painful to hear anyone that's been losing his life for no real purpose or not in a legal way.
And it's been painful for us in Saudi Arabia.
We've did all the right steps of investigation, et cetera, in Saudi Arabia.
And we've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that.
And it's painful and it's a huge mistake.
And we are doing our best that this doesn't happen again.
And that may or may not be true, just to be clear.
Saudi nationals, or at least some people with government associations, connections, did aid with the hijackers.
The 9-11 Commission said there was no direct involvement from the Saudi government.
And it's very likely that he knew about what happened with Kashak.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That being said, again, are we applying this equally?
I don't know if you know this, because this also happened with George W. Bush and Michael Moore.
And oh, look at Saudi Arabia.
Look who he's talking with here.
And now they're trying to do it with Donald Trump.
Did you know that we actually, at one point in time, backed Osama bin Laden himself?
We did.
Now do Saddam Hussein.
I don't know if you know this.
Relationships change.
Rambo III, I believe, had a dedication to the freedom fighters, the Mujahideen.
So let's just apply this equally.
If you have to deal with people on the world stage, this is one of those areas where relationships are complicated.
Sometimes it's the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
What it really comes down to, to me, the differentiating factor is, is our president approaching this relationship with the best interests of Americans in mind first?
That is what differentiates Donald Trump from these other people.
Case in point, Saudi Arabia committed $1 trillion in American investments.
I believe, Mr. President, and today and tomorrow, we're going to announce that we are going to increase that $600 billion to almost $1 trillion of investment, real investment and real opportunity by details in many areas.
And the agreement that we are signing today in many areas in technology and AI and earth materials, magnet, etc., that would create a lot of investment opportunities for the USA.
So you are doing that now.
You're saying to me now that the $600 billion will be $1 trillion.
Definitely, because what we are signing, it will facilitate that.
What was that, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer?
Think of the difference between the bowing and the smack.
He did it again later.
He gave him one of the chests.
Yeah.
One of the old George Ws.
Yeah, one of the old, you tell them Cole Santa Claus better get a rage.
That one.
Name that movie line, if you guys remember.
Yeah, it's a very, very different approach.
And there are far more commitments, investments.
By the way, Saudi Arabia, their GDP is like $1.2 trillion.
So this is very significant.
President Trump also agreed to sell Saudi Arabia some F-35s and elevated them to a major non-NATO ally status.
And the reason that that's notable is because Israel definitely doesn't want Saudi Arabia to have F-35s.
Oh, but I thought he was in the pockets of the Jews.
Right.
Now, this is where it's complicated because Israel at the same time would also, in some instances, ally with Saudi Arabia because they are one of the most vocal protesters to Iran getting nuclear weapons, right?
So they have aligned interests there.
But of course, Israel doesn't trust Saudi Arabia.
They would not be happy that Donald Trump is selling them F-35s.
It seems to me like he's the one leading the dance there, and Israel kind of has to follow suit.
That's a good thing to me.
The response, of course, from the left, again, keep in mind, are they applying this equally?
And remember, their starting off point was Donald Trump will lose all American respect on the international stage.
And they want it.
They need it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
So at every turn, they have to say, see, see, we've lost respect in the international stage.
This comes from the New York Times.
Trump dismisses journalists' murder while praising Saudi crown prince.
Adam Kinzinger, your favorite.
So we are now going to sell F-35 to Saudi Arabia.
We'll be interesting to see what kind of deal the Trump kids get.
I wonder how many hotels are cryptocurrencies for this one.
America is for sale.
The Bulwark said it is a total neglect of American values.
You want to read Robert Reich, your favorite?
Oh, gosh, I hate this guy.
Trump welcomes MBS to the White House today to discuss a new arms deal.
Trump's family also has lucrative ongoing real estate deals with the Saudis.
He'll overlook the murder of Jamal Khashoggi to pad his pockets and boost the bottom line of the military-industrial complex.
Shut up, you silly little man.
Well, and I would understand this if Donald Trump was the only one to meet with this guy.
But he's not.
Every single president has.
So when it doesn't exist in a vacuum, contextually you go, okay, how did those meetings go?
What kind of relationships did we have?
How did it benefit the United States?
There's only one president who has dealt with them in a way that has benefited the United States to this extent.
That's Donald Trump.
And so to me, when I see people to some people on the right saying, oh, this is a betrayal, well, hold on a second.
Who do you replace him with?
Another Democrat who still meets with and is friendly with Saudi Arabia but doesn't force their hand to a trillion dollars worth of investments?
Also, do you think it would be a president who doesn't realize that Mohammed bin Salman looks like terrorist Brendan Schaub?
Bring it up.
Come on.
Come on.
Yeah, it is the same man.
Has anyone ever seen them in the same room?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
Did he do Riyadh Comedy Festival?
I don't think so.
I don't think he knows.
Of course not.
And this is different from a comedy festival because you can't just not meet with them.
This is why I also have a tough time covering geopolitics because a lot of things can be simpler than people present them to be.
International politics are very complicated because alliances as well as opponents, they change all the time.
There was a time in this country where we supported Saddam Hussein.
Wrong on that one.
Osama bin Laden.
I mean, there's a time, I don't remember, Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize.
Do you guys remember that?
Yeah, that happened.
And right now he's meeting with the same guy, the same position, royalty that every president has.
How many other people or other presidents got them to commit to a trillion dollars worth of investments in the United States?
So is Saudi Arabia an ally?
Well, they do some things that are beneficial.
They use their status, by the way, as the leading oil producer.
You know, in OPEC, they're the leader there to stabilize global energy prices.
Like in April, Trump got them to pump more oil to lower prices.
That's why you have lower gas prices.
And I know we should be weaning ourselves off of foreign energy, but because of previous administrations and because of policy for a long time, we're not there yet.
So it's good to have people who can make sure that the American citizens aren't left holding the bag.
Again, he's negotiating on behalf of you, having to fuel your car, going to work.
They're also one of the biggest purchasers of weapons from the United States, right?
Helping to kind of balance that region.
Now, it doesn't mean that they're angels, right?
And I don't have any faith in that region at any point as Earth exists, just to be clear.
But currently they do kind of help with some counterintelligence, some anti-terrorism operations.
We do need some strategic locations for our bases.
So there's a lot of good.
There's a lot of good.
This was better than the way any other president dealt with Saudi Arabia, and the left cannot ever acknowledge any wins.
It's just not a thing.
So I would ask you, how would you like to see this relationship move forward?
And are you happy about the investments coming from Saudi Arabia?
Or would you rather just Donald Trump not take their calls?
I also think it's important to note that Donald Trump meeting with a leader doesn't mean he agrees with them.
Right.
This is the same guy who met with Kim Jong-un and made fat jokes to his face in a language that he couldn't understand.
Yeah.
It's very important, especially with leaders that you disagree with.
I think for a long time, our foreign policy objective has been to isolate leaders or punish them when they do stuff that we don't agree with, right?
So for the killing of a journalist, you could theoretically go a number of different directions, right?
And I think understandably so.
But of course, Donald Trump's whole position is I have both tools in the bag.
I'm going to use both.
Our other presidents didn't have the ability to go and meet with these guys and to have a good conversation and be able to tap them on the leg with this and be like, oh, that's a fantastic thing.
They just didn't have that.
Donald Trump does, and he's using both very effectively.
Sometimes they get the stick, sometimes they get the carrot.
Well, it's also important to see what action is taken from the leader and then the reaction.
So what happened when Barack Obama came across as very submissive to the Saudis when he bowed, right?
People on the right, well, actually, not just people on the right, a lot of Americans, that didn't sit well with them.
They're going, well, hold on a second.
Our president is not supposed to bow to foreign leaders.
What did the media do?
They said, oh, fake outrage, Barack Obama.
This is the racist Tea Party, the racist right, just looking for a reason to criticize Barack Obama.
When Donald Trump meets with him and gets him to commit to a trillion dollars worth of investments in the United States, and by them I mean the Saudi government, I know that things change, people change out.
They go, oh, look, this is a betrayal of the American people.
So it's not when Barack Obama bows and gets nothing for his efforts, but it's a betrayal when Donald Trump is leading the dance and forcing them to invest.
You need to apply the standard equally.
Look at the action and look at the reaction from the media and the left, but I repeat myself.
One quick note here, just on the Kashuki story.
This is what he tweeted out, I guess, the day that bin Laden was killed.
I just fell apart crying heartbreak to you, Abu Abdullah.
You were beautiful, brave in those beautiful days in Afghanistan before you succumbed to anger and passion.
So it is a controversial figure for sure.
Yeah, but when you say as the who wrote that?
That was Kashogi.
Kashogi, sorry.
Tweeted that out.
When you say like, you know, as the crime president, we're going to like, you know, make sure this doesn't happen again.
It's not like you like forgot to put somebody's fries in the bag in the order, you know, like at the drive-thru and you're like, ah, we have procedures in place.
Like somebody came into an embassy in Turkey, I believe, and never left.
It was your guys that killed him.
Yeah, that's a big problem.
It is.
That's something you have to fix.
But we can isolate them and cause further problems for ourselves or we can start working with them.
Biden tried to isolate them and then had to go and beg them to start pumping more oil.
Right.
Do you remember that in his administration?
Yep, that's a good point.
So Donald Trump seems to be doing a pretty good job.
Do you want to be in a position of meeting or do you want to be in a position of begging?
That's kind of your choice.
Yep.
It was pretty clear what Barack Obama did with the bowing.
It was pretty clear what Biden did going and begging later for them to pump more oil.
And Trump made them come to him.
Yep.
Yeah, he did.
And he made them.
Come to my house.
And he made them dress up.
Not like that Zelinsky piece of shit.
Literally in a dress.
Zelinsky can't put on a jacket.
You put an entire picnic on your head.
Is that the Courtney Cobia fruit of the loom?
They stole it.
Well, that's a whole thing, the Mandela effect where people say there wasn't a horn.
There was until the Saudis stole it.
There was.
Yeah, but apparently there was never.
It's a whole thing.
We'll talk about it in a month.
Epstein, let's get to Epstein because everyone was talking about it and there's a lot of flip-flopping going around.
And again, I ask, can you apply the standard equally?
I tried to hang myself with a force meter recreating the entire cell of Jeffrey Epstein here.
We did a whole special on it.
You can go and watch it.
I don't believe that he killed himself.
I believe there was foul play.
And of course, I believe that he was involved in sex trafficking.
I disagree with Kash Patel.
I understand that he has access to information that I do not.
A lot of this doesn't pass a sniff test.
I think the files should be released.
I've always thought the files should be released.
I don't think that Donald Trump should be impeached because of this quagmire that has taken place.
But here we are now, where the House, Senate, and President are all on the same page.
House and Senate both voted for the release of the Epstein files, which will be sent now to President Trump's desk.
Now it is on its way to the president's desk in a remarkable turnaround in an extremely fast move here.
The Senate has essentially greenlighted this bill to be approved as soon as tonight and be sent to the president's desk.
Now, essentially what happened was that in the aftermath of this House vote this afternoon, 427 to 1, just one member of the entire United States House voting against it.
That's true.
There was one nay vote in the House, which, of course, seems suspicious and then made sense when you realize it's this guy.
Yeah.
Those aren't his kids.
People on audio, go to video.
So Representative Clay Higgins, he was the lone no vote in the House.
Now, to present you his side of the story, he wrote and explained on X, I have been a principled no on this bill from the beginning.
If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt.
He went on to say, if we release the files on this child sex predator, then we'll have to do it for all of them.
Oh, good.
Like, you can't redact a name.
It's bizarre.
And I don't know if this guy had someone in here saying, you can portray yourself as a principled conservative.
Look, your legacy is going to be the one vote defending an underage sex trafficker.
That's what you will be known for.
It could have been like he was the first guy to vote.
Yeah.
And he was like, all right.
All right.
No.
We'll all vote no, right?
And then it went a prank.
Yeah.
Like in everyone else, like, hey, what are you going to do?
It's going to be a gag.
A bunch of us are going to vote no.
He's like, oh, that'll be funny.
Yeah.
Like a one no vote for Jackie Robinson in the MLB Hall of Fame.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's always one person that has to vote no for the Hall of Fame.
Yeah, it's like a traditionalist.
Like, what?
Why do I have to vote no?
No, no, trust me.
This is going to be fine.
It's just tradition.
It'll be good for you.
He just gets the shit kicked out of him by a black guy.
I voted no on Babe Ruth.
Now it's your turn to know.
Who is it?
Jackie Robinson.
Son of a.
And of course, the left, Donald Trump said that we should release the files.
And then it was voted unanimously yes, of course, from the Senate and the House.
And during the Biden administration, where the left really didn't, there was not a peep from them about Epstein.
Republicans were pushing for it for a very long time.
As a matter of fact, the big reason for the civil fracturing on the right, because you still have a lot of principled people on the right who believe that the files should be released, and it looked like they wouldn't.
Somehow the left is spinning this as a victory for them.
This is a dramatic legislative turnaround and a huge loss for Trump, make no mistake.
Trump has clearly just given up the fight.
Donald Trump tried to desperately stop this night from happening.
He did everything he possibly could.
None of it was enough.
None of it worked.
They tried everything they could to stop it.
The goal of this bill passed by such a large margin that Trump can't put his little orange thumb on the scale and give it the old Cheeto veto.
The Epstein files have finally broken Donald Trump's dictatorial grip on the House and on the Senate.
When it became clear that the House was going to ignore Trump and vote to release the Epstein files anyway, Trump backtracked and said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do that.
That's also what I want.
Donald Trump spent much of the past week trying to strong-arm his party into voting against the release of the Epstein files.
Basically, every Republican except for one rejected Trump's demands.
His pressure and jockeying didn't work this time.
And of course, Jasmine Crockett, not to be outdone by anyone else who refuses to do a mockum of research, called out all the people who took money from someone who may have also been named Jeffrey Epstein.
Folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein, as I had my team dig in very quickly, Mitt Romney, the NRCC, Lee Zeldon, George Bush, Wynn Red, McCain Palin, Rick Lazio.
I just want to be clear.
If this is the standard that we're going to make, just know we're going to expose it all.
And just know that the FEC filings, they are available for everybody to review.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
They are available, fresh bitch.
Willie Zeldon responded, yes, Crockett.
A physician named Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who is a totally different person than the other Jeffrey Epstein, donated to a prior campaign of mine.
No freaking relation, you genius.
Think about that.
I have my team dig really fast because they're experts at working fast.
They're quick.
They're quick as a field mouse.
They dug real fast, a bunch of diggers.
Yeah.
Wait, whoa, whoa.
They damn it up all the dirt.
You didn't just fact-check it at all?
And that shows you, again, these people have no fear of accountability.
She listed like six people from like 20-something years ago.
And one of them wasn't even close.
Here's the irony: Stacey Plaskett, who's sitting next to her in that video, she took campaign donations directly from the actual Epstein in 2016.
Well, she wasn't on the list.
And she was also caught texting Epstein for direction advice during the 2019 Michael Cohen hearing.
So that person right there has more of a connection than someone who had a doctor named Jeffrey Epstein donate to his campaign.
And by the way, I would imagine that is amongst the most common doctor names.
Jeffrey Epstein.
Maybe Jeffrey Goldberg.
Yeah, but it's spelled G-E-O.
Well, I don't know.
Jeffrey.
Yeah.
Like the giraffe.
Like the Butler and Fresh Bitch of Bel Air.
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Where are you going with this?
I don't know.
I'm still thinking about the Japanese guy.
He's a French bitch of Bel Air.
Fresh bitch.
He said French.
No, Fresh Pitch.
Fresh!
Fresh!
I speak English, okay?
She's a stupid one now.
Oh, it is a steel.
So, and here's the thing.
If you want to be mad at someone, obviously Clay Higgins, that's funny.
Absolutely, you should keep the jokes incoming.
But you have a unanimous vote, except from one in the House, and Senate and President Trump.
Seldom do you ever get this level of agreement.
So it's always funny to me because the left calls for civility and agreement after they've punched you in the face.
They don't celebrate an area where there's actual common ground.
That left, right, Democrat, Republican, we all don't like pedophiles.
We all don't like child sex traffickers, right?
Hey, that's a good thing.
Instead, they have to spin it.
And if anything, if you find this to be a disappointment when and if the files are released, I would like you to direct your ire toward Pam Bondi.
Pam Bondi is the common denominator here that has been a problem.
Remember, this is going to allow, by the way, Pam Bondi to withhold or redact information that could jeopardize any active investigations or name victims.
And the problem is redactions have been used for far more than that in the past.
So there needs to be some level of transparency here.
And the reason that this is different from a lot of other cases is Americans watch this take place in real time, and it perfectly crystallizes elites getting off with horrendous crimes that the average American would never be able to imagine.
Keep in mind, this is a woman, Pam Bondi.
She had a lot of time to address, to take on cases from Epstein victims during her time as AG in Florida.
There were a lot of, I know that he was convicted, got that sweetheart deal.
I believe it was 08, maybe it was 2006.
But then there were a lot of people contesting it, people bringing forward briefings, people bringing forward cases in Florida, and Bondi did absolutely nothing.
And of course, she was the one who completely botched the rollout of the files in February, one of the biggest embarrassments at any point in either of Trump's administrations.
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to review.
That's been a directive by President Trump.
I'm reviewing that.
You said last week that you have the Epstein files on your desk.
When can we see them and what's taking so long to release them?
I do.
Tomorrow, Jesse, breaking news right now, you're going to see some Epstein information being released by my office.
Yeah.
Wow.
Remember, it was just influencers who can be, most of whom can be bought very easily with binders and there was nothing new in there.
Matter of fact, there was less information in there than stuff was redacted that has been publicly released already.
But keep in mind, President Trump ordered her.
She said that was an order for me to release it.
Then she made a judgment call.
If this is disappointing, if what comes to fruition, remember, the final judgment call as to what will be included or redacted rests with Pam Bondi.
If I'm going to criticize President Trump, it is his loyalty or any fondness that he has for Pam Bondi.
She's an embarrassment.
She has been harming this administration.
She has been from day one.
When people think about the swamp, about corrupt politicians, there's a picture of Pam Bondi next to the definition in their mind.
Yeah, exactly.
How many months does it take to redact files?
And by the way, if you're redacting people's names that have actually come out and publicly spoken on this on the steps of the Capitol, they're right over there.
Just go ask them.
Hey, guys, are you good with me leaving your name in here so that people understand the story?
Because you've held up pictures of yourself at that age.
Right.
And you've discussed these stories already publicly.
This is just the biggest misstep, in my opinion, of this administration so far.
Yeah.
Period.
Yeah, absolutely.
And keep in mind that redactions themselves can be used as a political scalpel.
I mean, you saw it with, was it the New York Times or Washington Post who withheld the name of Virginia Guff when she was very public about what happened with Epstein and that Trump had no involvement?
So they, is it pronounced Guffrey?
I think.
Guffrey.
And obviously she's not with us anymore.
You know, rest in peace.
Why was that redacted?
She was public.
As a matter of fact, she wanted to be as public as possible.
She endorsed, she came out and campaigned for Donald Trump.
That's why it was redacted.
Exactly.
They didn't want to see, oh, who's the victim's name?
Oh, somebody who actually endorsed Trump.
Oh, okay.
And I will say I expect some of that to take place if Pam Bondi has the final judgment call.
I would imagine that there's some information in there.
Again, this is, I cannot prove this.
I would just guess that it's unflattering toward Pam Bondi.
Yeah.
That would be a guess of mine.
If you look at the center of all this controversy, it seems that when it gets to Pam Bondi, that's the choke point.
So keep that in mind.
By the way, the betting odds currently on Cal Sheet are actually that President Trump, that these files get released before 2026, 68% chance, and before September 2026, an 88% chance, which tells me, you know what would be hilarious, and this may not happen, but it would be hilarious if they released these just in time for midterms and it was awful for Democrats if all of this was a play.
You think that might be what's afoot and what do you expect in these Epstein files?
This is, don't ever let anyone tell you, I will say, don't ever let anyone tell you that, oh, you know what?
No, you should just move on.
That's been a misstep.
Absolutely.
You deserve to know.
And I think that most Americans want to know.
And we deserve to know the truth.
We watched this take place in real time.
It was the most clear example of corruption or one of that we have seen in our lifetime.
And everyone wonders, how did this get through and how is this guy still protected?
Yeah.
And the drain the swamp mentality that Donald Trump has had since his first time running for president, saying, I'm going to drain the swamp.
This is the swamp in most people's eyes because they know that there are a lot of powerful, very well-connected individuals that are associated with this that could be implicated and hurt by this.
And the only reason for not releasing it is to make sure that you protect them.
And it's like, well, if you're just the same as everybody else, this is the contention.
Then what are we doing?
Why are we voting for you in the first place?
Right.
We need something different.
So get this right.
This is very important to get right.
I agree.
Speaking of draining the swamp, Department of Education, but more specifically, Chicago schools.
Who would have thought that in Chicago there's corruption?
No.
And with education.
It's a clean city, I thought.
So before I get to Chicago, I just want to remind you guys, we do this podcast 3-3, where you can download on these podcasts.
There are three minutes or less.
Three minutes or less, three quick facts that you need to know.
Department of Education, okay?
It was founded, Jimmy Carter, 1979.
Okay.
Second key fact, over $2 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent since its inception.
Third key fact, standardized testing.
The results are either unchanged or worse.
So, at what point do you consider it a failure?
What point do you gut it?
And this is the same conversation we have about SNAP.
The same conversation we have about H-1Bs.
When it's more fraud than good, do you reform or do you gut?
Do you eliminate and create something else?
Typically, you eliminate, just like the CNN should have eliminated Brian Stelter, but he's back.
Oh my gosh, Brian Stelter's back.
What's he talking about?
Let's see.
but Trump acts like he wants to have dictatorial powers over the press, and him bringing up Brendan Carr was really good.
Highly unlikely, very hard to do.
It'll cause a lengthy legal battle.
But the idea that Trump wants it to happen is very revealing.
And he's clearly very jumpy about Epstein questions.
This has happened several times.
He's talking about the couple days when people avoid questions altogether.
And ever since he was FCC to pull ABC's license, that's what Stelter did.
He acts really aggressive.
He gets angrier.
And look, the sketchier he acts about Epstein, the more curious people get.
The more defensive Trump sounds, the more curious people get.
This is the second time, Brian, as you know, in a week, that Trump has leveled the brutal insults at a woman who was covering.
Not a woman.
Not a woman.
They can't take it.
But enough about Stelter.
By the way, you want to talk about having dirt on someone?
Stelter.
How do you get to be that fat, unattractive, talentless, and keep failing upward?
This guy has a binder, I guarantee you.
100%.
He's even got Hasbro in the bag.
No redactions.
All right.
So that's the Department of Education.
I interrupted, but I saw Stelter.
I get too.
Tim, it makes Tim happy.
Yeah.
It makes me happy too.
Yeah.
That's just to set the stage.
Now, let's go to Chicago.
And this is real life.
It's no family matters.
Chicago school employees busted.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, Chicago Public Schools is under fire for some money that was spent on student and staff trips.
And this is coming after a new CPS inspector general that alleges travel abuse.
We're talking last-minute flights and limo rides, all charged to taxpayers.
What?
By the way, why is she dressed like an open casket funeral with the makeup on that lady?
She looks like that Madeline girl or whatever her name is.
Who?
Oh, never mind.
Forget me.
Shouldn't have spoke.
Well, you know, it's always nice to pay your fancy.
Carmen San Diego's jacket and Wednesday Adams shirking Amelie.
Yeah, that's who it is.
Emily?
Oh, yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
Never mind.
All right.
Look, $23 million on lavish travel, on luxuries, and yes, taxpayer-funded.
So you, and in this case, it might just be mostly Chicago because a lot of the funding for public schools are not just federal, but state as well.
The tax dollars are spent on what?
References available, links in the description.
$1,000 per night hotels, African safaris.
Okay.
Now, I know you're saying, well, that could be educational.
Sure.
How about trips to Vegas?
You guys discussing your future in singles?
Not to mention limousine buses.
Yep.
Well, you got to take a field trip to Vegas.
Compliments of the Chicago Public School District.
And here's the other thing.
No, let's go through three key facts on Chicago.
Key fact number one: Illinois students are failing.
So this is being spent while their students are failing.
These schools, fewer than one in three students read at a grade level.
Fewer than one in five, meaning less than one in five, are proficient in math.
So when people say when the Air Force has to host a bank sale to get bombers and our teachers get paid, okay, hold on a second, though.
If you suck as a pilot, you don't get to keep being a pilot.
These schools suck.
Their job is to educate your children.
Again, when you look at it, you say, the majority of children are clearly not being educated.
At what point do you say, well, we don't need to reform this.
We need to do away with it.
We need to do away with it.
Key fact number two.
The money too, and this happens in schools across the country, and you could say the same about healthcare, it's going to the pockets of the administration, not teachers and not necessarily students.
So Chicago from 2019 to 2025, the administrative growth, 40%.
Teacher growth, only 13%.
Student enrollment down 20%.
And so that also dispels another myth where people go, well, it's about class size.
Okay, class sizes are smaller.
There are more teachers and there's certainly more administrators.
The scores are getting worse.
How does an administrator help with class sizes?
Right.
A teacher hire.
Sure.
You can explain that to me.
And there are also plenty of examples of very large class sizes in public schools.
There was a study conducted on this, Catholic schools, private schools in New York, where they had larger class sizes.
I think Thomas Sowell wrote about this.
They outperformed the public schools dramatically.
Same building.
Yeah.
And this, by the way, mirrors what you see across the United States.
Chicago is just a microcosm.
In the U.S., from, I believe, the years are, yeah, 2000 to 2019.
Students and teaching positions, they increased less than 10%.
The administrative positions increased by 87.6%.
87.6%.
This is what happens when you just throw money at a problem.
Again, 79.
Three facts about public department of education.
Established in 79, over $2 trillion spent.
Scores are the same or worse.
And as a matter of fact, if you go look at different municipalities, often where you see the costs or the taxpayer, sort of what's paid out, you see scores worse even where you see more spending in places like D.C., in places like Chicago, in places like Detroit.
You certainly cannot argue that there's a correlation with increased spending and better results.
Usually, you're seeing the inverse, to be clear.
But 87.6% increase in administrative positions.
That's what happens when you write a blank check to a failing system.
Not to mention some of the teachers themselves facing criticism for their poor student relations.
I'm in charge of this class.
I'm the warrior chief.
I'm the merciless god of anything that stirs in my universe.
You f ⁇ with me and you will suffer my wrath.
See, I actually like, I like that teacher.
I do too.
I think they could use more of that.
I wouldn't mess with him.
No.
Yeah, I don't think he's taking them to Africa.
No, I don't think he's taking them to Vegas.
Yeah, he's doing the safari right there in Chicago.
Yes, he is.
Whoa.
Key fact number three.
And it's easy to think, too, again, because a lot of funding for schools is state and municipal.
But we still do have a federal Department of Education.
So you may think, well, I'm removed from Chicago.
No, they still receive and waste billions of your tax dollars.
From 2024 to 2025, the federal funds to Chicago School District, $3 billion.
That's a similar number to say.
It's very similar.
Just that.
It's a similar number to what we give Israel each year.
Oh, Israel.
By the way, cut all of it, just to be clear.
And they're also reading and doing math better there.
That is true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everyone is.
They're doing it better everywhere.
Keep in mind in Chicago, the budget deficit with the school district is $500 million.
Come on.
So they're receiving $3 billion.
They're bad at math.
You're looking at increased administrative positions.
You're looking at decreased enrollment.
And the students who remain there are dumber.
In the age of smart devices, think about that.
We've spent $2 trillion.
And some estimates say if you adjust for inflation, it's closer to $3 trillion.
Let's say between $2 and $3 trillion on the department, the federal Department of Education.
And we have, and I want to be clear about this, not some results, not okay, give and take, zero results.
Zero, and in many cases where you see increased spending in urban areas, worse results.
Can you point me to anywhere else in the natural world where you would have trillions, billions, millions, tens of thousands of dollars invested into an enterprise, into a business that fails at its express purpose for half a century and it continues?
You wouldn't gut it.
It wouldn't file bankruptcy.
The only exception is the Federal Department of Education.
Everyone acknowledges that it's broken.
And this is how you know that the left wants control over your life.
They oppose school choice.
They oppose voucher programs.
They oppose everything outside of increased spending into a failed system.
There is no way to fix this so long as Democrats exist in the United States.
I mean that.
That is not hyperbole.
So long as Democrats exist in the United States, the Federal Department of Education will continue to fail our children.
The good news is, personally, you can avoid this.
Private school, sure.
It's easier to homeschool than ever.
We saw that with the pandemic.
The only way to win this game is not to play.
Please, parents, avoid public schools and comment below if you at some point maybe did pull your children from public schools and saw the results.
I just, it's one of those things the left goes, what, you don't care about kids?
And they'll say that everything.
Oh, it's not crime.
It's a lack of education.
It's poverty.
Well, every time we've tried to fix those issues, we've made them worse.
The Federal Department of Education is just another wealth redistribution scam.
And it only serves to enrich those who are orchestrating the scam.
Those in administrative positions, who, by the way, also control the purse strings of the unions who give repeatedly to Democrats.
As long as Democrats exist in the United States political system, the Federal Department of Education will be a failure and your children will be worse off.
Gut it, send it to the states.
We need something different.
We don't need reform.
We're going to continue talking about this and more.
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Did you say that we had a clip that they had sent in?
I don't know.
Do they have something from the professor at Harvard?
What is this?
Yeah.
So I think this is a Harvard professor.
I'm not going to say the name because I might get it wrong.
But he had to make kind of an awkward announcement to a class of students today.
Oh, okay.
Let's continue with this.
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