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🔴 Trump's Huge Meeting Shocks the World & the Media is Dumbfounded 2025-08-19 18:09
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Not you, Tim, this guy.
The fact that it starts with Bozelensky arriving and holding a press conference before they've had a conversation.
This has now become sort of normalized behavior.
This is extraordinarily dumb and terrible negotiating because you're giving your position away in advance.
It puts whoever you're talking to in a horrible position.
And this has now become a kind of foundation of Trump negotiation.
Yeah, okay.
Here's the reality.
As far as negotiation, the Finnish president, Alexander Stubbs Stoob, said that more progress was made in the past two and a half weeks than the last three and a half years.
Thank you very much, Mr. President.
I think in the past two weeks, we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the past three and a half years.
And I think the fact that we're around this table today is very much symbolic in the sense that it's Team Europe and Team United States helping Ukraine.
By the way, that's no small thing.
Let me put this in context for you.
When people say, I don't think the United States is the greatest country, the Finnish president said, Team Europe, a continent, and team country.
That's like saying, you know, the Knicks, Team Nicks, and Team Entire Eastern Conference.
Is that an accurate thing?
Something like that.
Something like that.
I don't know.
That's about right.
Well, that's not college.
Canada said, don't forget about us.
They did.
Yeah.
Did they sound Finnish?
No, that's how they sound in my head.
Is the conference a collegiate thing or is it conference?
It is a collegiate thing, but it's also a pro thing.
Okay, good.
So that was close.
My point is: Team Europe and Team One country.
All of NATO, three and a half years.
The rest of it couldn't get it done.
One country, two weeks.
You know what?
Here we go.
If you guys want to say we're actually not the greatest country, we're okay with you nipping at our heels and we're just going to step into our role as the big old swinging dick of the world.
On account of the fact that you said team entire continent and USA.
There you go.
I think the delineation is good.
Do me a favor, guy, research.
That last guy, the guy that I told to pause for eternity, he was the former undersecretary of something public relations.
Can you tell me when he was that position?
Because the first guy that I hate was the former Russian ambassador, right?
He was the guy saying, we didn't get anything out of this.
I can't believe we let Putin who kills all these people.
You know when he was the Russian ambassador?
2012 and 2014?
What happened in 2014?
Oh, something, something Crimea?
Yeah, your playbook failed.
Your boss failed.
I want to see this other guy.
Are we really just going to go after the people whose foreign policy and decision-making processes led us to where we are today and ask them if they think a new track that seems to be having some positive results, at least in the fact that we're communicating with one another very well right now?
Are we going to ask those guys how to fight this and solve this problem?
Because I'm betting that guy that they had on MSNBC in the trivia is probably somebody from the Obama or Biden administration, which did nothing about this.
Yeah.
You're absolutely.
And here's something else, too.
I'm tired of people saying, well, that happened later into his presidency, right?
Barack Obama.
Before Barack Obama.
He's a president, though, right?
I'm just asking you.
But no, but worse than that, before Crimea, before Barack Obama told Mitt Romney, no, no, no, no, no, the 80s called, I want the foreign policy back.
When he was running for president, Georgia happened.
Do you remember that?
John McCain, today, my friends, we're all Georgians.
So Barack Obama saw what they now say is, you know, this evil, this callousness.
He saw it.
He became president.
He dismissed it as a non-issue.
And then it happened again on his watch.
Then it didn't happen on someone's watch.
And then it happened again on his VP's watch.
So this excuse that, well, they didn't really see it coming.
He was campaigning for the presidency when the Georgian conflict took place.
I remember where I was sitting when I heard John McCain say, today we are all Georgians.
So, a bonus here, by the way.
Here's my prediction.
You are going to see the left as they accept the reality that this has been an incredible, a raging success.
If this plays out in the way that it seems like it's going to, I should say, if this plays out as successfully as all these European leaders and Donald Trump hopes for it to be and Putin and Zielinski, they're going to try and act like either A, they were on board with this all along and circumstances changed, but it's actually not Trump's doing.
It was everybody else stepped up, or they'll try and undercut it and act like, ah, really, this just sort of cut Ukraine off at the knees, so it was an act of cruelty.
They're not going to admit that they said the negotiations shouldn't take place, the phone call should have never happened, and Donald Trump will not assist in any type of international agreement.
They won't acknowledge that.
There will never be accountability because yesterday, Harry Enton, who's a real person, apparently, dropped some breaking news.
Breaking news, by the way.
Fresh, hot off the press.
By that, I mean a week old.
Extra, extra.
Read all about it.
Regarding Ukrainians' opinions on the war.
There have been some absolutely major shifts.
The idea that Ukraine's going to achieve complete victory, that idea has collapsed within Ukrainian society.
What are we talking about here?
Ukrainians on the war versus Russia.
You go back to 2022, the start of the war.
Fight until Ukraine wins.
Look at this.
The vast majority, about three-quarters of the USA.
They covered this yesterday.
They agreed with that position.
Negotiate to end the war as soon as possible.
Only 22%.
Look at where we are now.
It's a complete flip.
It's the inverse.
Now 69% want to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible, compared to just 24% who want to fight until Ukraine wins.
That's a 49-point drop in this position.
You guys saw that?
Breaking news.
That was August 18th.
Except it happened quite a while before that.
And it begs the question, why wouldn't they want to cover the opinions of Ukrainians dying themselves regarding the war before President Trump's first step meeting with Putin?
Guess when we covered it.
So before anything else, I just want you guys to know before this meeting, there was a recent Gallup poll that showed that now 69% of Ukrainians favor a negotiation to the end of the war as soon as possible, with the remaining 24% being John Bolton.
But no, it is true.
69% want an end to the war.
And tomorrow, President Trump is going to be meeting with Putin in Alaska to discuss bringing all of this to a halt.
I guess we scooped it four days before Adam Enton at CNN.
Sometimes it takes a while to find those relevant polls.
By the way, they're talking right now.
This is a perfect encapsulation on CNN.
Russians' war in Ukraine.
Bannon decries potential for U.S. pledge to defend Ukraine.
Right before that, what they said is Trump is saying that there will be no boots on the ground.
American soldiers fighting in Ukraine against Russia, which should meet with that's fantastic.
Instead, they've got a panel of people sitting around complaining about Donald Trump in some kind of way and going to Steve Bannon and saying, see, even Steve Bannon doesn't like this.
The first thing you said is, well, wait a minute, what kind of security guarantee?
Well, that's American boots on the ground.
No boots on the ground.
Well, fudge.
Yeah.
Bannon still doesn't like it.
Right.
What are we doing here, guys?
I mean, really, at what point do you just go, well, who cares what these people think?
They're doubling down on ignoring reality.
That's what they're doing.
Listen.
And then they'll keep you.
Do you ever gap like that?
Look, if a Democrat becomes president, like if Gavin knew somebody does it, thank you.
But if they end up doing something good, like helpful to the American people, especially when it comes to international related, like wars and things like that, where I thought politics was supposed to stop at the water's edge, but I guess not.
Somebody hit me in the face because I'm supposed to be pro-America.
No, no, no.
And not just pro-I won't hit you in the face.
It's the one-way suicide pact.
I will suicide.
The one-way, I don't.
That's our pack.
I'm good at digging holes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're also good at poking holes through people.
So, Gerald, I place those things if you need knife.
Well, this one a place I didn't.
Here's the thing: I don't need.
You and I are both independent.
We don't need to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We want to.
Yeah, it's just like it's like a bond, like a bonding event.
I don't need you.
I want you to put holes.
No, you're not bonding with us.
Me and him are bonding over your corpse.
I mean, unless it's Gold Bond.
Yeah.
Chafing thighs.
Yeah, or bail bonds if I need your help.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
My point is not going to bail you up, buddy.
It's merely to make sure I'm not an idiot.
I want to say other words, but I'm trying not to cuss.
Mission failed.
Dang it.
People who aren't familiar with the show must tune in.
I always wonder, like, they're like, why are they crap not?
He's like, he just made a really good articulate point, and they all shit on him.
What happened?
No, that's not what happens.
Go on.
That makes him gay for some reason.
They dogpile on him.
Yeah, they do.
They don't go, oh, Gerald, wait a minute, that's not fair.
They're like, yeah, he's an idiot.
Here's him as a pony.
Well, Gerald is what I need.
Unicorn, actually.
Yeah, thank you.
I mean, pick your poison.
There's plenty of things to choose from.
It's really tough because when people always like, they'll always say, like, there definitely was a mild form of self-loathing before Gerald was CEO because I was in charge and I have a general predisposition to have a problem with authority.
So I had a problem with myself.
So it's like, Gerald, you come in so I can give you crap.
That was never talked about.
It wasn't.
It wasn't.
But the good news is, you know, it all flows up because then he also gives YouTube crap.
And it's like to pass it on.
Yeah, once we left YouTube, it's like, oh, we don't really have a foil.
That's true.
Because now Rumble is great.
Now it's me.
Yeah.
I mean, it's still culture at large, you know.
No, for sure.
And the Indians.
Which ones?
Both?
East or West?
I think both.
Dung soap Indians.
Oh, yeah.
Well, but yeah, they're like the lead.
It's one A and one B. You know, it's like them and then feathers.
I will say this too.
I will take some, a very small portion of credit for the cultural shift in the Native Americans no longer being a sacred cow.
Like if you pull people, they're like, oh, gosh, all right, that's enough.
They have reservations and casino.
What?
We're going to give the land back?
Come on.
These weren't peaceful tribes on horseback.
And when I was doing that back in 09 and 2010, even conservatives would go, ooh, you really shouldn't talk about that because people got a thing about that.
That's a third rail.
And I was like, no, no.
How many meth dens do you need?
And how many pieces of land that look like an episode of cops do you need before we say, we're not going to give any of this back?
You know what the lesson is?
It's almost like we could learn this lesson in other places in the world right now.
It's that compassion in war, in some cases, isn't great.
Maybe in this case, we should have just made them assimilate into American culture.
They'd probably all be better off.
And they can still go out and do whatever they want in the woods and make it fun for themselves, go form a community or something like that.
But you're Americans.
It's American land and you can't have casinos anymore than anybody else can.
But hey, we went a different direction.
Maybe we should take this lesson somewhere else in the world so that for 100 years, people don't get to complain.
Leave my casinos out of this.
Yes, that's true.
I apologize.
I don't get the casino thing.
I will tell you.
People are like, this one's great.
They all look the same when you go in and it's just great about it.
Especially a bunch of zombies pulling.
You could be drunk.
You know where you're going.
Where's Foulette?
I know.
I've been to this casino before.
It was in Atlantic City last time.
I think I was in Carson City.
Where is it?
Where it's like on the border of Nevada, Arizona, I want to say.
I don't know.
Reno?
I don't know.
No, maybe it's not.
Oh, Arizona?
No, maybe it's not.
Or maybe I'm thinking of the Arizona River.
What is it?
You're in a city.
Lake Mead.
Anyway, Lake Mead is on the end.
But on Carson, I think it was Carson City, Nevada.
It's in the middle of the state.
Is it?
Doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Never mind then.
I have no idea.
But there's something on the other side of the river.
Maybe it's just a different city.
The point is, the only fun time I ever had, I couldn't sleep.
And I was down there at the, and I found out that they'll give you free drinks at the blackjack table.
So it's four in the morning, and I just, they had, I was, they had iced coffee, and I was just smoking a cigar.
I was like, oh, I can still smoke a cigar and have some iced coffee.
And I just pretended like I cared about the blackjack, but it was the cheapest table.
And I think I ended up winning like eight bucks.
I ended up being up, but I had a bunch of free coffee, and I got to enjoy a cigar.
That's the only fun I've ever had at a casino.
You got to go to the casino with me.
No.
Yeah, we'll have fun.
No, you'll lose money.
No, I got a surefire way to win at roulette.
Everybody does.
What is it?
Well, I'm not going to tell everybody.
Okay, don't tell me.
Because then you get the secret out.
Yeah.
It's a numbers game.
It's a numbers game.
Really?
Yeah.
Roulette.
It's a numbers game.
It's science.
You want to stand by that?
Technically, yeah, but also my method is a numbers game.
Okay.
All right.
Check the man, check the method.
Yeah.
No.
Do we have that clip from the Jubilee about the black culture stuff where she was saying that they were being force-fed it?
Right.
No?
I asked mission control for that.
Okay.
All right.
Gerald, you're in charge.
Yeah.
No.
No, he's not in charge of you.
I think it's the guy that brought up the 88% stat that she said, don't talk to him.
Talk to me like that.
She's talking about black culture.
She goes, Yeah, well, who's the one?
Who's the one?
Who's the one feeding it?
She mentioned junk food and processed food.
So if you need to search, because he can search the transcripts, when she mentions that, rewind it about 30 seconds, and it's where he brings up black culture and she blames white people.
He brings up like an artist, right?
Like an artist, like a black artist talking about rapping about killing.
He just in general talked about like what it is that they glorify.
And she blamed it on white people.
It's like, well, it's like, well, then how come white culture doesn't glorify killing people to the same degree?
Just for black culture.
It's like a psyop.
Right.
I think there's different versions of that in white culture.
You know, you got the sopranos and you got the movies like The Departed and The Italian Job or whatever the heck.
There's all Italian things, though.
Yeah, that's white.
Kind of, but even then, it's not like, like if you listen to it, again, if you listen to hip-hop, it's about killing fools daily.
You know, anyone, like anyone they cross at the same time.
The fools are a real problem.
Yeah, they probably are.
Especially in the Bible.
They're like hogs in Texas.
You got to get rid of them.
But oh my gosh, look at this guy on CNN.
It's weird because he has like a super big round face, but he has to pick a point where he grows a beard and shaves his head and his neck is too skinny for it.
He's dressed like a barbershop pole.
Yeah, he looks like he looks like a like if the Who's were in slave eras.
He does have a 19th century beard that like rounded and it's like thick here.
Pick the cotton.
Hey!
Hey, Cindy Luhu, I knew.
I knew it was Hippolyte.
I'm not saying it's acceptable.
The Who's have to grow too.
His hair all migrated south.
They learned a lot about themselves.
Yeah, it's like an Etcha sketch.
Yeah.
They had the Emancipation Proclamation.
They said, four score and eight cupcakes ago.
I don't know.
I got the wrong toy.
It's not an etch.
What's the toy with the bald guy and you have the magnet?
Oh, operation.
No, not operation.
He's talking about the hairy, the whatever, the hair.
It's like the little magnet hairs, and you drag the little magnet.
It doesn't matter.
I'm sorry I brought this up.
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, I want to.
All right, there we go.
It's King Vaughn.
That's what I thought it was.
Okay, thank you, guys.
Operation.
That's a great way to give six-year-olds a panic attack.
That game.
The worst one was remember: Don't Wake Daddy?
Yes.
Where you have to pump it and then daddy, and they're like, Don't.
They're like, Daddy's sleeping.
Don't wake him or he'll beat you.
What's wrong with that?
Just don't wake daddy.
That was a song.
This soap gave me an idea.
What?
Did you ever have your mouth washed out with soap as a kid?
Yeah.
I actually never did.
My brother did, though, because he convinced me I was adopted.
They put a bar of soap in your mouth and you just have to have it.
It's terrible, right?
Yeah.
You should just use this soap for it.
And you have like crap in your mouth.
That's even worse.
Wait, wait, wait.
How did we get here?
Mostly punishment for other kids.
Anyway, the video is probably Woolly Willie.
Oh, Woolly Willie.
Yes.
All right.
That's what it was.
That's what it looks like.
Hold on, bring that back up.
I love how several of them are racist Asian caricatures.
That's because it's from the 1920s.
You can still get that at Quaker Barrel.
It says ages three plus must be racist.
It's weird.
Have chicken fry steak.
I'll get barrel of monkey and rooty rootie.
Then I sit on bench.
They rock back and full.
And get a chocolate bar with old rubber.
Rubber.
Rook like a chocolate bar in 50.
You real clean sugar.
All right.
Let's watch this.
Where, again, in case you just have to understand that people like, and not all black people, people like SEALs.
Everything wrong with the black community, everything wrong with the white community, of course, is to be blamed on white people.
Everything wrong with the black community is, of course, to be blamed on white people.
They've sent two sections.
I'm talking about killing other black men.
Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor?
When black men are more likely to kill me.
Oh, my God.
Oh my God, this is scary.
Free labor.
Then how is that not systemic?
And if you, and if you want to stop.
Stop them from entering prisons.
How are you going to stop people from entering prisons if your goal is to get them into prison?
Sure, make them try to be more like Ben Carson than be like King Vaughn.
That's very, very simple.
So how does King Vaughn happen?
How does King Vaughn happen?
King Vaughn.
Reparation.
Actually, how did she land the plane?
We're talking about reparation.
That's the question before they vote him out.
I think they vote him out, but maybe it was before that, where he talks about black culture and what it is that they glorify, and she blames white people.
Didn't he say like black culture is toxic?
Do you use that word?
I think he might have said something.
Somebody did.
I don't know if it was him.
One of them did say that, though.
We don't have time to do this summit bit.
No, we can find this.
We can find this.
We can find this clip and then just do this.
Can they find the clip while you grab chat noodles?
I don't want you to look for the clip.
They just sent a new time code.
Are you sure they sent the new time code?
Because here's the thing.
By the way, everyone give a round of.
I really, because Noodles is the only person.
No, no, no.
No, not Noodles and I are kindred.
Noodles and I are kindred spirits.
Daisy Fuentes.
Because, yes, that.
I had the autograph.
Come on.
Noodles and I are kindred spirits because he's the one left holding the bag where he has to put, he relies on them to get him to time codes.
And then you guys give him flack, even though he's just doing what they tell him.
But I'm fine with it.
Yeah.
Also, he likes to.
Stop giving noodles a little, you know.
There you go.
Hey.
There you go.
No sound, huh?
Paste it.
This is delayed sound.
Paste that confetti on a poster of Daisy Fuentes' Nipples and Noodles of the Happy Man.
All right, here we go.
Hi.
Jericho's sir.
That's certainly not true.
If that were not the case, then we wouldn't see the continued effort of colonialism and white people placing themselves in positions of power when they do not have the time because their culture.
Black culture is toxic.
The black culture is toxic.
We have produced a culture that is toxic.
And let's get on the fact that there's no faza.
So white ladies.
No, it's not that one.
It's not that one.
See, here's the thing.
I give them a prompt, and then you keep redirecting it to something wrong.
You gave them a prompt, and 20 minutes went by, and I was trying to.
No, that's true.
That's true.
That's true.
I guess the problem is with them.
Not noodles.
Not Daisy Fuentes loving noodles.
I still have this.
Why am I always have to do that?
Well, not that.
You get the blame.
Justin.
Thanks, Professor Savage.
That's true.
That's fast.
That's nice.
I want to know what he was saying.
What was that sound?
By the way, download kickoff if you have bad credit since we're doing a black segment.
And we're totally fine.
My least favorite part about that whole video was the way she was so condescending to everybody.
Of course.
Like she was upset to be there.
She said to some people, like, you all want to be seen.
You have to be, you're just trying to get attention.
I don't need it.
Blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, I don't know.
She is.
But she's acting like such a bitch.
The whole time, she's basically telling the one guy, You need to speak to me like your mother, and I'm gonna speak to you like you my slave.
She says that, no, but she said the first part.
Okay, but the whole time she's being such a bitch to this person.
No, I know.
And here's the thing: if you say that, she'll be like, Oh, that's just that's a pejorative.
I remember uh Kristen Powers, and I want to say Megan Kelly at Fox News.
When I did that, Hillary Clinton was running for office, and I did the famous Obama Hope poster, but I changed it with bitch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you're like, I think this is way beyond the pale.
And no one, as someone who is, you know, Republican or conservative, we still should do better than this.
You should never refer to a woman as a bitch.
I disagree.
I think if she's a bitch, if she's acting like a bitch, you can, and I think that every woman is a grown-up.
They're grown-up enough to understand the difference.
We're not referring to all women as bitch.
She was acting.
When Josh says she was acting like such a bitch, you understand it, right?
I wouldn't call her a dickhead.
That sounds out of line.
It sounds improperly gendered.
And here's the thing.
It sounds misgendered.
But here's the thing, too.
People act like bitch because it's like the N-word for women.
Yeah, but you know what?
It is gendered, but you know what else is gendered?
Prick.
Dick.
You don't refer, you know, you don't, that's how you refer to a man.
What does that mean?
So, bitch means you're embodying the worst qualities of a woman, meaning we all have certain proclivity.
We all have certain leanings in our negative, sinful nature.
For women, right?
You read it biblically: don't be a nag, don't be quarrelsome, watch your tongue, watch your attitude, right?
So a bitch is a woman who's condescending, who's nagging, who's shrill, like a bitch in heat.
A man, right, who's a dick or a prick, they can kind of be used interchangeably.
This is gendered in the masculine sense, is someone who is overly aggressive, right?
It's unbridled aggression.
He's bombastic.
He's inconsiderate.
These are the negative proclivities that men have.
That's their sinful nature.
So bitch is gendered, rightfully so, and prick is gendered.
You very rarely refer to a woman as a prick.
Now, culturally, you can refer to a man as a bitch because men can be denigrated by being told they're not enough of a man.
They're more like a woman.
Can't really do that with women.
So men get it from all sides.
I have no problem with it.
It's completely appropriate.
And if you don't want to, just use the word asshole because that's universal.
Interestingly enough, douchebag is for men.
I've heard that used for both.
Even though they're practically used for women.
Yes.
Well, I think I've heard both be referred to as douchebags.
Usually men, yeah.
I really like this breakdown.
It's like when Bobby Knight broke down the F-word.
I mean it all of its uses.
I was like, oh, that's very practical.
We call men pussies too.
Which why can't we call women dicks?
Yeah, I guess we can take it back to you.
We should be too masculine, but that's that's what we're doing.
Could be such a dong, lady.
This lady, right?
So this lady, when she told the guy, well, you got a cross on, and she said, you got a church of crasspin.
He's like, it's actually a cross with an American flag.
And she's like, whatever, with your pocket square and act like you know anything and you're a cop.
And he goes, actually, I'm a dispatcher.
She goes, I don't know, but ACAB all day.
Do you know what ACAB means?
I didn't know what ACAB means.
Is it a wine?
All cops are bastards.
All cops are bastards.
Oh, bastards.
All cops are bastards or bad or substitute whatever you want.
All including black cops.
Yeah.
Including dispatchers who answer calls from bleeding victims.
How much direct assistance to the direct ambulances and fire trucks, not just police officers.
Yeah.
What a bitch.
Yeah, what a bitch.
That's the whole lead in.
And how about you?
How much do you want to bet that if I grab her by that unseen weave and treat her as I would any man for being just as disrespectful, that all that police your own shit goes out the window and she would pray to whatever deity she worships above that there's a cop who shows up to keep me from turning her into my personal slave.
If you want to talk about might is right, and I mean that as far as anyone, meaning at one point in time, you were a black white woman, sex slave.
You were turned into a slave if someone could do it.
And someone like that who has nothing to offer in the might is white world, she benefits the most from policing.
Yeah.
She benefits the most from the rule of law.
She there spoke to men in a way that in basic interactions, no man of any self-respect would permit and would beat her ass.
And she needs the cops.
And she needs the cops.
You know what would happen with a woman like that?
Brock Lesnar would have you chained up in his backyard, along with not because you're black, some Native Americans, probably some Asians as well, and probably some other Vikings because he was bigger than them.
That's how the world worked.
You can turn it into a race thing.
I'm talking about a woman benefiting, benefiting from men's good nature.
Yeah.
We do have a line as men that we don't cross, right?
Yes.
I've had it with Johnny, like my best friend, where I'm like, oh, wait, that was a little bit too much.
We all know that, hey, you can only push so far.
Women don't like that woman.
Respectful women do.
But women don't have to learn that line because they don't experience it.
And that's only because it's an act of mercy.
Yeah.
You know what's worse too is that she would give no grace to a black police officer.
Of course.
All cops are bastards.
She said that like that on purpose.
Yeah.
For that reason.
You are black.
All cops are bastards.
Even you, who's not a cop, you're a dispatcher.
She would give no grace.
You think Harriet Tubman, the one she said you shouldn't say her name in vain?
You think Harriet Tubman was being selective with the slaves that she rescued?
Right.
Well, you were really friendly with your master, so I'm going to go ahead and leave you here in Georgia.
I don't think so.
No, no, exactly right.
You know what she is?
Harriet Tubman would slap the shit out of you.
Yep, absolutely.
You know what she is?
She's the reason that my dad's best friend's father, Officer Per Cherone, who worked as a Detroit police officer, had to help his black police officer friends get home in unmarked cars because people like her said all cops are bastards and they would often have to go back to the black community that they were trying to help police.
She puts black men's lives in danger, black male officers.
And you set it up with, you're doing it for the man.
You're a turncoat.
You're an Uncle Tom.
People like her make it more dangerous for black men, both police officers, but the people who were at greatest risk in Detroit were black officers.
They would have to go through unmarked cars, sometimes switch off to another car just to go back home.
Yeah, of course.
And she, it's kind of intuitive as well, because what she was saying, I think prior to that, was that when the black communities were kind of these separate communities, they would police themselves.
Right.
And she's like, well, that's why crime was lower.
We don't need people to come in and police ourselves because we're a statistic that they get to use.
And I'm like, well, hold on.
What about the black police officers from that community?
That are trying to, that's who they would be policing themselves with anyway.
So why don't you just use a good example?
Black cops that volunteer to go out and try to help clean up their own communities.
Well, how about that?
All cops are bastards, though.
Okay, well, then you don't want anybody policing you.
Good luck.
Well, let me make it more simple.
Let me make it more simple.
Black used to police in their communities used to police themselves and they were safer.
Great.
Why don't they now?
What changed?
You mean they were freed and it got worse?
Do you mean they got more money into their public schools and it got worse?
Do you mean affirmative action?
And it got if the black community could police their own for a very long time, what changed?
Oh, wait, that stat that you don't like of fatherless households.
And I'm sorry, that's right.
Because of the culture of hip-hop and gangster rap, which is the fault of white.
It's because prisons, even though.
Well, we were force-feeding them crack.
Yes, yes.
We were force-feeding them crack and NWA.
Yes.
Well, the guys were getting lessons down at the local night school on how to turn cocaine into crack and then forcing it into their faces.
Yeah.
Why don't you?
That's what my uncle did.
Why do you think it is that poor young white people don't?
In other words, you say they're the ones who offer it to us.
And I'm sure, by the way, of course, facing temptation when you're younger, you're more likely to make mistakes.
But why is it not the same?
Why is there such a disparity with poor young white people not doing drugs and offering other young white people or black people in record numbers?
Why are poor young white men more often, not always, but statistically more often able to say, no, I don't want crack.
No, I don't want meth.
No, I don't want to eat unhealthy processed food in purple drink.
Why is it?
And then why is it when you have someone in the black community?
Well, maybe I'm answering my own question.
Like Ben Carson, who was raised to a single mother in Detroit and tried to stab a relative with a belt buckle and instead becomes the world's most brilliant neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins, you mock him and say he's not black enough.
Oh, well, maybe that's why.
Because there's no reward.
There's no praise.
There's no credit for a young black man saying, no crack, no gangs.
I'm going to be our OTC.
Yeah.
Every bit of your culture celebrates it from birth.
Every single part of your culture celebrates this stuff.
And you want to blame me for that?
And by the way, I've self-segregated in the sense that I just avoid the predominantly black areas since COVID.
I have black people in my neighborhood.
My neighborhood's really mixed.
Love my neighbors.
But I'll tell you this: I have no interest at this point.
I'm like, I'm not going there.
Why?
Crime.
Yeah.
Really quickly, just as a clarification, we talked about something earlier about black on white crime.
Typically, your group is the group that assaults you the most.
But before it gets outside of that, this is weird.
Blacks are 12 times as likely to victimize whites as vice versa.
It's not even black.
It's the same ballpark.
And because of all that systemic racism, the DOJ FBI stopped recording interracial crime statistics because to cite it on YouTube was white supremacy.
Yeah.
12 times.
Also, by the way, an officer, I believe, is 16 times more likely to be shot by a black man than an officer of any color is to shoot a black man.
Also, armed white men are more likely to be shot by police officers than armed black men.
The reason they choose the stat, and this is all going by rote.
The reason they choose unarmed black men are more likely to, okay?
You know what they don't include in that stat?
Just like you talked about, 12 times more likely to assault, commit a violent crime, or murder a white person.
Unarmed black men are several times more likely to commit an assault against an officer, whether they have a weapon or not, are exponentially more likely to resist arrest.
They're much more likely to, by the way, not even just commit an assault against an officer, but be violent with someone in their own community.
So when they both have guns, meaning it's cut and dry, hey, you've got a gun, we need to disarm them, white men are more likely to be shot.
When they're unarmed, well, now it gets opaque.
Hold on a second.
Was he hitting the cop?
Was he screaming at the cop?
Was he running away from the cop?
Young black men are more likely to do that than white men.
So they use one stat, unarmed black men.
None of the others reflect their narrative in any capacity.
I'm going by rote.
Take my word for it or check the references when you go watch that change my mind.
Did we find the video of the culture thing?
Because if not, we'll just, okay, chat.
All right.
Let's see.
First chat from Hiplis Does It.
Question: Do you guys think people like that crazy black lady who has no points are completely ignorant or just as bad as the grifters who jumped on the train when it was convenient for money?
I would say she is willfully ignorant.
In other words, she started out as ignorant.
Then she realized she kind of had a niche.
And it doesn't matter what you say.
When I tell you it's important to identify the people whose minds you can change and the people who have a vested interest in perpetuating the lie, she is actually a textbook example of the latter.
Yeah, of course.
She sets it up that way.
Stats lie all the time.
And by the way, it is true.
You can massage statistics.
But the preponderance of evidence when you look at violent crime statistics in the United States, both isolated to the black community, black to white, white to black, black to Asian.
There's one group that stands out above all others.
And there is one group that has a fatherless rate that stands out above all others.
But she goes, don't bring that into here.
That means it doesn't matter what you say.
And that's also why I don't like this format.
Yeah, I know.
She shouldn't have been allowed to bring up stats again after that, right?
After that statement, she should have been.
Yeah, you know.
Shut down at every opportunity to try to get a stat.
No, no, no, you just said stats lie.
Josh, she didn't.
Well, she never did.
Oh, she didn't.
She never brought up a stat.
She didn't take a point.
Fail safe.
That's my point.
So you're applying logic.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Her stats were, oh, you're an actor.
Oh, you just want to have five minutes of fame.
So what's the number?
Stats lie.
So what's the number?
Because you must have a counter argument to this.
You must know.
Okay, stats line general.
Are they lying on this one?
You must know.
You must have looked into this because you must have looked through the window and saw 88% and said, man, that's a high number.
That's got to be wrong.
Let me dive into why that's wrong.
Tell me what the real number is.
You don't have one?
Right.
You just don't want it to be right?
I'm saying the people they need to be made an example of.
And Andrew Wilson said this perfectly.
I'm going to hold your face in the mirror and not let you go away from that point until you realize that your worldview is terrible and it's wrong.
Don't let up.
You want me to treat you like I treat my mama?
How do you know I'm any nicer to my mama than I'm going to be to you right now?
You just go after this lady 100%.
She gets louder.
I'm getting louder.
She gets up in my face.
I'm getting it.
I don't care what she does.
That kind of ideology has to be ended so that people can be better off.
Not so anybody can win.
I was praying that when she said, you go treat me like you treat your mama.
I was trying to get a status.
Shut up.
You damn stupid cricket.
I want someone.
But the problem with that is that she was surrounded by 20 conservatives.
Right.
So these are conservative.
She knows that these people are going to, she says be respectful.
She knows they're going to say yes, ma'am.
Yes.
And she can just be a total.
She was infinitely more respect, more respected than people who've shown up with liberals.
And that's why I don't like that format.
Well, first off, before that, here's the thing.
One thing that I actually will say I'm proud of, and I think all of us are here.
If you have spent time watching this show for more than a week and have applied what we try and sort of impart, which is how to learn and how to discern, you are propaganda proof.
You won't take what I say at face value unless you check the references and you shouldn't.
It makes it impossible for me to inject merely my opinion with no substantiation and you walk away believing it.
Let me ask you this.
When she talks about systemic racism and propaganda, okay, who is more likely to be susceptible to propaganda?
The entire group of people who've come to, by the way, a contrarian opinion because of statistics, because of data that they have available, along with their lived experience?
Are they more likely to be prone to be being propagandized?
Or the person whose followers subscribe to the ideology and philosophy of, don't use stats, believe what I say.
She's a propagandist.
I'm really, if nothing else, I'm very proud of the fact that we've hopefully, you know, when I die, it'll be recognized that we were the only place that made our sources, our references publicly available and consistently told you, do not believe us here in this room.
Don't.
I stand by it.
And I think if you only have time to sit here and watch this, you'll be significantly more prepared and armed with information than almost anybody, anybody out there in the public.
And by the way, that includes the conservative viewing public.
But I would prefer if you didn't.
I would prefer if you watched other programs.
I would prefer if you go checked out the references because you know what?
The references are usually left-leaning, like New York Times and Washington Post and CNN.
So you can learn exactly what they're saying.
Because when you do that, you can't end up like this woman.
You can't.
It's not possible.
It's not possible because you constantly have to defend your view.
She's never had to do it.
And she's a bitch.
Next chat.
All right, next chat from RedGen26.
Question for the crew.
If you could choose either CNN or MSNBC hosts to debate you alone and surrounded, which would you choose and why?
Well, this goes back to why I don't like this format because you wouldn't debate alone in Surrounded.
The idea is that you're surrounded.
And I don't like it because so Change My Mind was kind of, you know, at that point was pretty groundbreaking where it was like, here's the premise.
Anyone, no time limits, no edits.
And by the way, we one time put up speakers because it was such a big crowd that other people were complaining they wanted to hear it.
And we don't really do that a whole lot.
Maybe we put up one speaker.
occasionally for people right around or the production crew because it's not about performance art.
We try and actually sort of, I guess you say, cord it off so that people feel like they're having a conversation and you get to witness what is closer to a real conversation.
When it's someone's standing like this and a lineup on the other side of the table, now these people feel the peer pressure and they might act in a way that they wouldn't if they were having a discussion with you.
And when you put a timer, when you put a timer that is based on a vote voting someone out, well, now you're no longer, you're incapable of actually using the Socratic method and examining the root of your ideology, of your logic, because that would always be voted out.
It's a little bit longer.
It's a little bit drawn out.
It's a little bit boring.
But that's the only way that you actually make progress.
So I'm not a huge fan of the format.
I've been invited to do it.
I think it almost sort of, it just makes a change my mind.
It's taking that and making it less authentic and making it more clickable.
But that was never the goal of it.
And that's a big reason why I've also kind of stopped doing it along with security issues.
It's like, okay, we set out what we wanted to accomplish and then it got copied by a bunch of people and they changed it into click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
And that's not what it's about.
So if I could debate anyone one-on-one.
Also, I'm sorry.
I'm talking about me.
I'm reminded why I stopped doing debates because Dave Smith has disappeared.
And as far as I know, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Dave Smith was one of them.
And by the way, I do like him as far as I know.
He seems very respectful.
Mark Lamont Hill.
I think we invited Pierce Morgan.
People who say, I'll have a conversation with anyone and it's equal footing.
We go, okay, great.
Great.
Yeah, we'll have you on.
Or I'll go on your, you know, no time.
Let's just do it.
They agree to it and don't show up.
But then what happens is when the people don't show up, then you have every Tom Dick and Harry with 5,000 X followers.
Say, well, why wouldn't you debate me?
And then they act like you're ducking someone.
Well, you're not ducking someone if it's someone with a tenth of the followership.
So we can never, I can never really, I've never been able to get my hands on, as it were, the people where it would make sense.
The people who say they'll do it, they never show up.
They don't show up.
Dave Smith said yes, as far as I understand it.
Lane gingersnap.
He tried to schedule something right before we went on break and he went back.
Nobody reached back out last week and we said, great, what time this week?
And as I understand it, gingersnap, correct me, Lane, correct me if I'm wrong.
We haven't heard back from him.
We said, great, anytime.
So to give you an idea, the terms were any day this week.
So last week, we said, any day next week work.
And I don't know that we've heard anything back.
Have we?
You're correct.
We have not heard anything back.
So and here's the thing.
And then it makes it tough because we run a business and you're what matters most and we run an actual show.
And so then they might show up and go like, hey, I got 15 minutes right now.
It's like, well, we can't just, hey, let's just, let's treat this like we would all treat a meeting which is with some professionalism.
So it's like, ah, I don't really want to do it because you never get to actually have the conversations that matter.
You'd be surprised as to the number of people who refuse to show up.
All right.
I think I could answer the question for you of who you would debate on one of these mainstream networks.
Yeah.
And by the way, with them, it would be wrong.
It would be a debate.
It wouldn't be rhetoric.
It wouldn't be Change My Mind because they've been, yeah, they've been spearheading these lies.
You got to pick, honestly, we've looked at CNN because they say they're middle of the road.
Right.
That's one of the reasons that we started focusing on them because just trying to just present their lying.
You know, you've got Fox over here on the right.
You've got MSNBC on the left and CNN in the middle.
That's why we always reference them because we're trying to give you what they say is middle of the road.
Obviously, we're going to disagree with MSNBC, but that's who I would want to debate.
I would want to debate Rachel Maddow or somebody like that if you're limited to MSNBC hosts because I want the worst of the worst of the worst, the furthest that you can get into their ideology.
Not somebody who says they're on the fence and they can kind of go both ways on an issue, but somebody who's like, I am dying in the wool this.
I would rather have that because I feel like that's a better representation of that position.
Yeah, but the truth is, no, I think people kind of know how that would go.
Brian Selter, just because I really like it, I think it would be some, I would have a lot of questions.
Unrelated to the topic at hand.
Yeah.
Who changed your wallpaper?
But someone like a Dana Bash because she's been presented as authoritative.
Someone like a Jake Tapper.
Because he presents himself as down the middle.
And someone who would be interesting, like an Adam Enton, because he's held out as a guy who's like, he's a data guy.
And Adam Enton, right?
Is it Adam?
It's Harry Enton.
I'm sorry.
Otherwise, it sounds like you're right.
It's Harry Enton.
We did that this morning.
Mixed my day.
Yeah, Gerald produced it.
Because nothing.
That's all I did.
He's a data guy, and nothing could be further from the truth.
So I would love to, I was always interested in people who were seen as authoritative because I'll be clear, I'm not, right?
What happened is they would use the criticism.
Well, here's this when I was really young.
They would go, here's this young guy who's just some comic.
And so who cares what he is?
And I go, you're right.
You're right.
So I should be really easy.
I should be really, really easy.
Noam Chomsky, right?
Who never showed up.
At one point, Don Lemon, who never showed up.
So I really wanted people who were very authoritative against whom I should absolutely lose.
You should bet the house.
Because if it's me and Chris Cuomo, it just looks like two goons.
Like, that's not lost on me.
If it's me and just some random person or another comedian, but I wanted to go after people who were held out as authoritative figures.
Right.
And that's why when we did Change My Mind, we also did the call out to every professor and not just change my mind, but we will allow you to host the debate at your university with the format of your choosing.
And we never had any takers.
It wasn't possible.
So it's a tough spot.
I'd like to do it, but those are the only ones that I'm interested in at this point.
I should lose.
People should bet on me losing.
Those are the ones that I want.
Let's grab a chat.
I'm not good at debating anything of serious nature.
So I would choose Wolf Blitzer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I think I could beat him at Jeopardy, and I think I could probably beat him in a debate.
Trivia speed round.
Next chat.
Next chat.
I was going to say that too, because of that.
I was like, don't say Wolf Blitzer, though.
So dumb.
Final chat.
All right.
Curtain 147 asks, we always know that MSM hates everything pro-Trump related.
At what point can we start auditing these companies to see where their anti-American talking points are coming from?
Well, first off, I would correct one thing.
Not pro-Trump, pro-America, pro-conservative, because they did it with Ronald Reagan.
They did it with Nixon.
We did that segment where we actually showed you not only cartoon images and news headlines that compared them to Nazis, but pictures with swastikas.
So don't just hit your wagon to the Trump thing.
Yes, he's more polarizing.
He's been more effective as a lightning rod than anyone in highlighting it because he's not been diplomatic about it.
And I think that's what we needed.
As far as auditing, you don't really need to audit, for example, CNN or ABC when you see like Stephanopoulos and his ties to the Clintons, or you see a lot of these connections and where their donations go.
And I think you probably would come up a little bit disappointed as far as big Chinese money.
I think you'd be surprised as to those online, like tenant media with Lauren Southern, Lauren Chen, or Lauren Chen really was a spearheader.
To be clear, people like Tim Poole didn't had no idea, but Lauren Chen did know that it was Russian money and seemingly lied to those people.
That's the tip of the iceberg.
And I tell you this because they made me an offer and they weren't the only ones.
And it immediately seemed fishy.
I think you'd be surprised by money from Qatar.
I think you'd be surprised online and money from China.
We saw that a lot with the TikTok topic.
We see Qatar a lot with the Hamas-Israel topic.
So I think you'd be surprised in online media because a lot of these sort of, I guess, devil investors see it as an opportunity.
With legacy media, these are just big giant corporations.
And so it's pretty easy to see.
It's pretty plain to see.
But yeah, that would be my answer.
Sorry, I said final chat, but final, final chat.
And then you guys are going to go to Tim Poole and then Russell Brandt.
All right.
Final chat from Captain Johnson.
Hey.
What would it take for Russia and the U.S. to become good allies or friends?
I'll tell you if I'm president for that to happen.
It's, all right, any remnants of communism, obviously gone.
And I know you're going to say that it's gone, but I mean really, really gone.
Free speech has to be a thing.
Second Amendment has to be a thing.
And your citizens have to be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
You actually have to start treating them the way that we do in the United States.
You can have your own culture, but you can't be jailing people because of music.
And you can't be jailing journalists.
And you can't be pushing out propaganda.
You're going to have to start playing by the rules.
And we don't want to make you America, but these things are irreconcilable with the American way of life.
So make no mistake about it here.
Russia and Putin is certainly not a country that is amenable to the American way of life.
And if they had the ability, which they don't, they would love to subvert it.
Now, the question comes down to how do they do that?
Well, the way that Russia does that, it's really simple.
A weaker America is better for Russia.
That's how you know the Russia collusion thing was complete and total bullshit.
Because do you know who Vladimir Putin wanted in power?
Obviously Hillary Clinton.
Do you know who he wanted in power?
Obviously Barack Obama.
Do you know who he wanted in power?
Obviously Joe Biden.
Why?
Check the invasions and under whose watch they happened.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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