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🔴 Trump's Huge Meeting Shocks the World & the Media is Dumbfounded 2025-08-19 18:09
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The fact that it starts with Zelenskyy arriving and holding a press conference before they've had a conversation.
This has now become sort of normalized behavior.
This is extraordinarily dumb and terrible negotiating because you're giving your position away in advance, it puts whoever you're talking to in a horrible position.
And this has now become a kind of foundation of Trump negotiation.
Yeah, okay.
Here's the reality.
As far as negotiation, the Finnish president Alexander Stubb Stubb said that more progress was made in the past two and a half weeks than the last three and a half years.
Thank you very much, Mr President.
I think in the past two weeks we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the past three and a half years.
And I think the fact that we're around this table today is very much symbolic in the sense that it's Team Europe and Team United States helping Ukraine.
By the way, that's no small thing.
Let me put this in context for you.
When people say I don't think the United States is the greatest country, the Finnish president said Team Europe, a continent and Team country.
That's like saying, you know, the NYX team NYX and team entire Eastern Conference.
Is that an accurate or something like that?
Something like that.
I don't know.
Is that about right?
College passed.
It's about right.
Well, that's not college.
Canada said don't forget about us.
Right.
It did.
Yeah.
We sound Finnish.
We don't know.
That's how they sound in my head.
Is the conference a collegiate thing or is it they have conferences?
It's a collegiate thing, but it's also a pro thing.
Okay, good.
So it was close.
My point is, Team Europe and Team One Country.
All of NATO three and a half years.
The rest couldn't get it done.
One country, two weeks.
You know what?
Here we go.
If you guys want to say we're actually not the greatest country, we're okay with you nipping at our heels and we're just going to, we're going to step into our role as the big old swinging dick of the world on account of the fact that you said team entire continent and USA.
There you go.
I think the delineation is good.
Do me a favor, guy.
Research that last guy, the guy that I told to pause for eternity.
He was the former undersecretary of something public relations.
Can you tell me when he was that position?
Because the first guy that I hate was the former Russian ambassador, right?
He was the guy saying, oh, we didn't get anything out of this.
I can't believe we let Putin who kills all these people.
You know when he was the Russian ambassador?
2012 and 2014.
What happened in 2014?
Oh, something, something, Crimea?
Yeah, your playbook failed.
Your boss failed.
I want to see this other guy.
Are we really just going to go after the people whose foreign policy and decision-making processes led us to where we are today and ask them if they think a new track that seems to be having some positive results, at least in the fact that we're communicating with one another very well right now.
Are we going to ask those guys?
Yeah.
How to fight this and solve this problem?
Because I'm betting that guy that they had on MSNBC and the TriView is probably somebody from the Obama or Biden administration, which did nothing about this.
Yeah.
You're absolutely.
And here's something else too.
I'm tired of people saying like, well, that happened later into in his presidency, right?
Barack Obama.
Before Barack Obama.
President though, right?
I'm just asking, but worse than that, before Crimea, before Barack Obama told Mitt Romney, no, no, no, no, the Yankees called, they want their foreign policy back.
When he was running for president, Georgia happened.
Do you remember that?
John McCain.
Today, my friends, we are all Georgians.
So Barack Obama saw what they now say is, you know, this evil, this callousness.
He saw it, he became president, he dismissed it as a non issue, and then it happened again on his watch.
Yeah.
Then it didn't happen on someone's watch, and then it happened again on his VP's watch.
So this excuse that, well, they didn't really see it coming.
He was campaigning for the presidency.
Yeah.
When the Georgian conflict took place.
I remember where I was sitting when I heard John McCain say, Today we are all Georgians.
So a bonus here, by the way.
Here's my prediction.
You're going to see the left as they accept the reality that this has been an incredible, a raging success.
If this plays out in the way that it seems like it's going to, I should say, if this plays out as successfully as all these European leaders and Donald Trump hopes for it to be and Putin and Zelenskyy, they' were on board with us all the time, and circumstances changed, but it's actually not Trump's fault, it was everyone else stepped up.
Or they'll try and undercut it and act like, ah, really, this just cut Ukraine off at the knees, so it was an act of cruelty.
They're not going to admit that they said the negotiations shouldn't take place, the phone call should never have happened, and Donald Trump will not assist in any type of international agreement.
They won't acknowledge that.
There will never be accountability.
Because yesterday, Harry Enton, who's a real person, apparently dropped some breaking news.
Breaking news, by the way, fresh, hot off the press.
By that, I mean a week old extra extra, read all about it.
it.
Regarding Ukrainians' opinions on the war.
There have been some absolutely major shifts.
The idea that Ukraine is going to achieve complete victory, that idea has collapsed within Ukrainian society.
What are we talking about here?
Ukrainians on the war versus Russia.
You go back to 2022, the start of the war.
Fight until Ukraine wins.
Look at this.
The vast majority, about three quarters, they covered this yesterday.
22 percent agreed with that position.
Negotiate to end the war as soon as possible.
Only 22 percent.
Look at where we are now.
It's a complete flip.
It's the invers.
Now 69 percent want to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible compared to just 24 percent who want to fight until Ukraine wins.
That's a 49 point drop in this position.
You guys saw that, that breaking news, that was august 18th, except it happened quite a while before that, and it begs the question, why wouldn't they want to cover the opinions of Ukrainians dying themselves regarding the war before President Trump's first step meeting with Putin?
Guess when we covered it?
So before anything else, I just want you guys to know, before this meeting, there was a recent, uh, recent Gallup poll that showed that now 69% of Ukrainians favor a negotiation to the end of the war as soon as possible, with the remaining 24% being John Bolton's.
But no, it is true.
69% want an end to the war, right?
And tomorrow, President Trump is going to be meeting with Putin in Alaska to discuss bringing all this to a halt.
I guess we scooped it.
Four days before Adam Anton at CNN.
Sometimes it takes a while to find those relevant polls.
By the way, they're talking right now.
This is a perfect encapsulation on CNN.
Russians' war in Ukraine.
Banner declares potential for US pledge to defend Ukraine.
Right before that, what they said is Trump is saying that there will be no boots on the ground.
American soldiers fighting in Ukraine against Russia, which should meet with That's fancy.
Instead, yes, they've got a panel of people sitting around complaining about Donald Trump in some kind of way and going to Steve Bannon and saying, see, even Steve Bannon doesn't like this.
You the first thing you said is, well, wait a minute, what kind of security guarantee?
Well, that's American boots on the ground, no boots on the ground.
Well, fudge.
Yeah, Bannon still doesn't like it.
Right.
What are we doing here, guys?
I mean, really, at what point do you just go, who cares what these people think?
They're doubling down on normality.
That's what they're doing.
I listen, and then it'll kill you.
If I ever beaten up like that, look, if a Democrat becomes president, like if Gavin knew somebody, I'll kill you.
Doesn't thank you.
But if they end up doing something good, like helpful to the American people, especially when it comes to international.
Yeah.
Related like wars and things like that where I thought politics was supposed to stop at the water's edge, but I guess not.
I just, someone hit me in the face because I'm supposed to be pro America.
No, no, no.
And not just pro.
I won't hit you in the face.
It's the, it's the one way suicide pact.
I will suicide the one way that I don't, that's yeah, yeah.
No, you already asked me before.
I'm not a pack.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's you're also good at poking holes through people.
So, Gerald, yeah.
I like to break those things if you need.
Well, this one place I don't think I don't.
Here's the thing.
I don't need you and I are both independent.
We don't Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We want to.
Yeah.
It's just like a bond.
Yeah.
It's like a bonding event.
Let's not do that.
I don't need you.
I want you to put No, you're not bonding with us.
Me and him are bonding over your corpse.
I mean, unless it's gold bond.
Yeah.
Chafing thighs.
Yeah.
Or bail bonds if I need your help.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
My point is not going to bail you up, buddy.
It's merely to make sure I'm not an idiot.
I wanted to say other words, but I'm trying not to cuss.
Mission failed.
Dang it.
People who aren't familiar with the show must tune in.
I always wonder, like, why are they craping out?
He's like, he just made a really good articulate point and they all shit on him.
What's happening?
No, that's not what happens.
I go on.
It makes him gay for some reason.
Yeah, they do.
They don't go, Oh, Gerald, wait a minute.
That's not fair.
They're like, Yeah, he's an idiot.
Here's him as a pony.
Well, Gerald is what I need because you're the corn.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Well, I mean, pick your poison.
There's plenty of things to choose from.
It's really tough because when people will always like, and they'll always say, like, there definitely was a mild form of self loathing before Gerald was CEO because I was in charge and I have a general predisposition to have a problem with authority.
So I had a problem with myself.
So I was like, Gerald, you come in so I can give you crap.
Dude, that was never talked about.
It wasn't.
It wasn't.
But the good news is, you know, it all flows up because then he also gives you two crap.
True, you know.
It's like to pass it on.
Yeah, once we once we left YouTube, it's like, oh, we don't really have a foil.
Yeah, that's true.
Because now Rumble is great.
Now it's me.
Yeah.
I mean, it's still culture in general, you know.
No, for sure.
And the Indians.
Which ones?
Both?
East or West?
I think both.
Dung Soap Indians.
Oh, yeah.
Well, but yeah, they're like the lead.
It's one A and one B. You know, it's like them and then feathers.
I will say this too.
I will take some, a very small portion of credit for the cultural shift in the Native Americans no longer being a sacred cow.
Like if you poll people, they're like, oh gosh, all right, that's enough.
They have reservations and can see what we're going to live, give the land back., come on, these weren't peaceful tribes on horseback.
And when I was doing that back in 2009 and 2010, even conservatives would go, you really shouldn't talk about that because like it's a people got a thing about that, that's a third rail.
And I was like, no, no, how many meth dens do you need?
And how many pieces of land that look like an episode of Cops do you need before we say, we're not going to give any of this back?
You know what the lesson is?
It's almost like we could learn this lesson in other places in the world right now.
It's that compassion in war, in some cases, isn't great.
Maybe in this case, we should have just made them assimilate into American culture.
They'd probably all be better off and they could still go out and do whatever they want in the woods and make it, you know, fun for themselves, you know, like go form a community or something like that.
But you're Americans, it's American land and you can't have casinos any more than anyone else can, but hey, yeah.
We went in a different direction.
Maybe we should take this lesson somewhere else in the world so that for, you know, a hundred years people don't get to complain.
Yeah.
Leave my casinos out of this.
Yeah.
That's true.
Well, I apologize.
I don't get the casino thing.
I will tell you, people like this one's great.
They all look the same when you go in and it's just that's great about it.
Especially a bunch of zombies pulling.
Yeah, you can be drunk and you know where you're going.
Where's roulette?
I know.
I've been to this casino before.
It was in Atlantic City last time.
I think I was in Carson City.
Where is it?
Where it's like on the border of Nevada, Arizona, I want to say.
I don't know, I want to say, I don't know.
I don't know.
No, maybe it's not.
Oh, Arizona?
Yeah.
No, maybe it's not.
It's like, or maybe I'm thinking of the Arizona River.
What is it?
You're in a city.
Lake Mead.
Anyway, Lake Mead.
I don't know.
But I'm Carson.
I think it was Carson City, Nevada.
I I I'm in the middle of the state.
Is it?
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Never mind then.
I have no idea.
But there's something on the other side of the river.
Maybe it's just a different city.
The point is, the only fun time I ever had, I couldn't sleep.
And I was down there at the, and I found out that they'll give you free drinks at the blackjack table.
So it was four in the morning and I just they had iced coffee and I was just smoking a cigar.
I was like, oh, I can still smoke a cigar and have some iced coffee.
And I just pretended like I cared about the blackjack, but it was the cheapest t table.
And I think I ended up winning like eight bucks.
I ended up being up to eight bucks.
But I had a bunch of free coffee and I got to enjoy a cigar.
That's the only fun I've ever had at a casino.
You have to go to the casino with me.
No.
Yeah, we'll have fun.
No, you'll lose money.
That's it.
No, I got a sure fire way to win at roulette.
Everybody does.
What is it?
Well, I'm not going to tell everyone.
Okay, don't tell anyone.
Because then you get the secret out.
Yeah.
It's a numbers game.
It's a numbers game.
Really?
Yeah.
Roulette.
Yeah.
It's a numbers game.
It's science.
You want to stand by that?
Technically, yeah.
But also my method is a numbers game.
Okay, all right.
Check the man, check the method.
Yeah.
Do we have that clip from the Jubilee about the black culture stuff where she was saying that they were being forced fed it.
Right?
No?
I asked Mission Control for that.
Okay.
All right.
Gerald, you're in charge.
Yeah.
No.
No, he's not he's not in charge of you.
I think it's the guy that brought up the 88 percent stat that she said don't talk to me, you know, talk to me like that.
She's talking about black culture.
She goes, Yeah, well, who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one feeding it?
She mentioned junk food and processed food.
So if you need to because you can search the transcripts.
When she mentions that, rewind it about thirty seconds and it's where he brings up black culture and she blames white people.
He brings up like an artist, right?
Like an artist, like a black artist talking about rapping about killing.
He just in general talked about like what it is to glorify.
And she blamed it on white people.
Right.
It's like, well, it's like, well then how come white culture doesn't glorify killing?
Well, they do.
to the same degree.
Just for black culture.
We it was it's like a psyop.
Right.
I mean, there's different versions of that in white culture.
You know, you got the Sopranos and you got the, you know, movies like The Departed and the Italian job or whatever the heck.
They're all Italian things though.
Yeah, that's that's white kind of, but even then it's not like if you listen again, if you listen to hip hop, it's about killing fools daily.
Right.
You know, anyone, like anyone they cross at the fools are a real problem.
Yeah, they really are.
They're like pigs in Texas.
You have to get rid of them.
But, oh my gosh, look at this guy on CNN.
It's like, it's weird because he has like a super big round face, but he has to pick a point where he gro where he grows a bark and shaves his head and his neck is too thin for it.
He's dressed like a barbershop pole.
Yeah, he looks like he looks like if the Who's were in slave eras.
He does have a 19th century beard that like rounded and it's like thick here.
Ahoo, do I pick the cotton?
Hey!
Hey, Cindy Lou Who, I knew I knew it was Hitler.
Come on.
I'm not saying it's acceptable.
The Who's have to grow too.
His hair all migrated south.
They learned a lot about themselves.
Yeah, it's like an etch a sketch.
Yeah.
They had the No wait, that's not the way.
The Battle Emancipation Proclamation.
They said.
4 score and 8 cupcakes ago.
I don't know.
I got the wrong toy.
It's not an edge.
What's the what's the toy with the bald guy and you have the magnet?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Operation.
No, not operation.
It's a potato head.
He's talking about the hairy, the whatever, the hairy.
It's like the little magnet hairs and you drag the little magnet.
It doesn't matter.
I'm sorry I brought this up.
I don't know.
I don't know.
No, I want to.
Okay, there we go.
It's King Von.
That's what I thought it was.
Okay, thank you guys.
Operation.
That's a great way to give six year olds a panic attack.
That game.
The worst one was Don't Wake Daddy.
Yeah.
Where you have to pump it and then daddy and they're like, Don't, they're like, Daddy's sleeping.
Don't wake him or he'll beat you.
What's wrong with that?
I just don't wake Daddy!
That was a soap.
This soap gave me an idea.
What?
Did you ever have your mouth washed out with soap as a kid?
Yeah.
I actually never did.
My brother did though, because he convinced me I was adopted.
They put a bar of soap in your mouth and you just have to like, have it, right?
It's terrible, right?
Yeah.
You should just use this soap for it.
Now you have like crap in your mouth, that's even worse.
It's evil.
How did we get here?
Mostly punishment for other kids.
Anyway, the Vince goes.
It's probably one.
Oh, Willie.
Oh, Willie.
Willie.
Yes.
Okay, that's what it was.
That's what it looks like.
Wait, hold on, bring that back up.
I love how several of them are racist Asian caricatures.
That's because it's from the 1920s.
Weary, weary, weary.
You can still get that at Quacker Barrel.
It says AGs three plus must be racist.
It's weird.
But you go to Quacker Barrel, have chicken fried steak, get Barrel of Monkey, Barrel of Monkey, and weary, weary.
Then I sit on the bench, they rock back and forth.
And get a chocolate bar with old wrapper.
Wrapper.
Rock like a chocolate bar in fifty, you're you're getting sugar.
Okay, let's watch this where, again, in case you just You just have to understand that people like, and not all black people, people like Seals.
Everything wrong with the black community, everything wrong with the white community, of course, is to be blamed on white people.
Everything wrong with the black community is, of course, to be blamed on white people.
They've sent two sections.
You have King Kong rapping about killing other black men.
Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?
Oh, my God.
This is scary.
Free labor.
Then how is that not systemic?
And if you want to stop them from entering prisons.
How are you going to stop people from entering prisons if your goal is to get them into prison?
Sure.
Make them try to be more like Ben Carson than be like King Von.
That's very, very simple.
So how does King Von happen?
How does King Von happen?
King Von.
Why did he land the plane?
We're talking about reparations.
That's the question.
I think they vote him out.
I think they vote him out, but maybe it was before that, where he talks about black culture and what it is that they glorify, and she blames white people.
Didn't he say, like, black culture is toxic?
Did you use that word?
Because I'm not I think he might have said someone did.
I don't know if it was him.
One of them did say that, though.
We have to, we don't have time to do this, this summit bit.
No, we can find this.
We can find this clip and then just do this.
Can they find the clip while you grab chat noodles?
I don't want you to have them look for the clip.
Just they just sent a new time code.
Sorry.
Are you sure they sent the new time code?
Because here's the thing.
By the way, everyone give a round.
I really because noodles is the only person.
No, no.
Noodles and I are kindred spirits.
Daisy Fuentes.
Because, yes, that's what?
I had the autograph, come on.
Noodles and I are Kindred Spirits because he's the one left holding the bag where he has to put he relies on them to get him the time codes and then you guys give him flack even though he's just doing what they tell him.
But I'm fine with it.
Yeah, also he likes to give noodles a little, you know, there you go.
There you go.
No sound, huh?
Now paste that.
This is delayed time.
Paste that confetti on a poster of Daisy Fuentes' nipples and Noodles is a happy man.
That's right.
All right, here we go.
If that were not the case, then we wouldn't see the continued effort of colonialism and white people placing themselves in positions of power when they may not have the power because their culture.
Black culture is toxic.
The black culture is toxic.
We have produced a culture that is toxic.
And let's not let's get on the fact that there's no fossil white culture.
No, it's not that one.
It's not that one.
See here's the thing.
I give them a prompt and then you keep redirecting it to something wrong.
I gave you gave them a prompt and twenty minutes went by and I was trying to No, I that's true.
That's true.
That's true.
I guess the problem is with them.
Not noodles.
Not Daisy Fuentes loving noodles.
I still have this.
Why am I?
Well, we always have this.
I'm not to blame.
Oh, just in case.
Well, that's thanks Professor Savage.
That's too deep.
That's fast.
That's nice.
That's good.
I want to know what he was saying.
Oh, is that sound good?
By the way, download Kickoff if you have bad credit since we're doing a black segment.
Ed, we're totally.
My least favorite part about that whole video was the way she was so condescending to everybody.
I know.
Of course.
Like she was she was upset to be there.
She said to some people like, You all want to be seen.
You have to be.
You're just trying to get attention.
I don't need it.
Blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, I don't know why you're there.
There she is.
Yeah.
But she's acting like such a bitch.
Yeah.
The whole time.
She's basically telling the one guy, you need it.
You need to speak to me like your mother and I'm going to speak to you like you, my slave.
She says that?
No, but she said the first part.
Okay.
But the whole time she's been such a bitch to the girl.
No, I know.
And here's the thing.
If you say that, she'll be like, Oh, that's just, that's a pejorative.
I remember Kristen Powers and I want to say Megan Kelly at Fox News.
When I did that, Hillary Clinton was running for office and I did the famous Obama Hope poster, but I changed it with bitch.
Yeah, yeah.
And you're like, I think this is way beyond the pale and no one as someone who is, you know, Republican or Conservative, we still we should do better than this.
You should never refer to a woman as a bitch.
I disagree.
I think if she's a bitch, if she's acting like a bitch, you can and I think that every woman is a grown up.
They're gro not referring to all women as bitch.
She was acting.
When Josh says, She was acting like such a bitch, you you understand it, right?
I wouldn't call her a dickhead.
That sounds out of line.
It sounds right.
improperly gendered.
And here's the thing.
It sounds misgendered.
But here's the thing too.
People act like, it's bitch because it's like the N word for women.
Yeah, but you know, it is gendered, but you know what else is gendered?
Prick.
Dick.
You don't refer, you know, you don't, that's how you refer to a man.
What does that mean?
So bitch means you're embodying the worst qualities of a woman, meaning we all have certain proclivity.
We all have certain leanings in our negative, sinful nature.
For women, right?
right?
You read it biblically.
Don't be a nag.
Don't be quarrelsome.
Watch your tongue.
Watch your attitude, right?
So So a bitch is a woman who's condescending, who's nagging, who's shrill, like a bitch in heat.
A man, right, who's a dick or a prick, they can kind of be used interchangeably, this is gendered in the masculine sense, is someone who is overly aggressive, right?
It's unbridled aggression.
He's bombastic.
He's inconsiderate.
These are the negative proclivities that men have.
That's their sinful nature.
So bitch is gendered, rightfully so, and prick is gendered.
You very rarely refer to a woman as a prick.
Culturally, you can refer to a man as a bitch because men can be denigrated by being told they're not enough of a man, they're more like a woman.
You can't really do that with women.
So men get it from all sides.
I have no problem with it.
It's completely appropriate.
And if you don't want to, just use the word asshole because that's universal.
Interestingly enough, douchebag is for men.
I've heard that used for both.
Even though they're practically used for women.
Yes.
Well, I think I've heard both being referred to as douchebags.
Have you?
Usually men, yeah.
I really like this breakdown.
It's like when Bobby Knight broke down the f word.
I made it.
And all of its uses.
I was like, Oh, that's very practical.
We call men pussies too.
Which is why can't we call women dicks?
Yeah, I guess we can take it back to.
We should be too masculine, but that's what we could be such a dong lady.
This lady, right?
So this lady, when she told the guy, Well, you've got a cross on and she said, You've got a Church of Christ pin.
He's like, It's actually a cross with an American flag.
And she's like, Whatever, with your pocket square and act like you know anything and you're a cop.
And he goes, Actually, I'm a dispatcher.
She goes, I don't know, but a cab all day.
Do you know what a cab means?
I didn't know what a cab means.
Is it a wine?
All cops are bastards.
All cops are bastards.
Oh, bastards.
All cops are bastards or bad or, you know, substitute whatever you want.
All including black cops.
Yeah.
Including dispatchers who answer calls from bleeding victims.
How much?
They had direct assistance to the police.
They had direct ambulances and fire trucks, not just police officers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a bitch.
Yeah.
What a bitch.
That's the whole dinosaur.
And what about you?
How much do you want to bet that if I grab her by that unseen weave and treat her as I would any man for being just as disrespectful that all that police your own shit goes out the window?
Real fast.
And she would pray to whatever deity she worships above that there's a cop who shows up to keep me from turning her into my personal slave.
If you want to talk about might is right, and I mean that as far as anyone, meaning at one point in time you were a black, white woman, sex slave, you were turned into a slave if someone could do it.
And someone like that who has nothing to offer in the might is white world, she benefits the most from police work.
She benefits most from the rule of law.
She there spoke to men in a way that in basic interactions no man of any self respect would permit and would beat her ass.
And she needs the cops.
And she needs the cops.
You know what would happen with a woman like that?
Brock Lesnar would have you chained up in his backyard along with not because you're black, some Native Americans, probably some Asians as well, and probably some other Vikings because he was bigger than them.
That's how the world worked.
You can turn it into a race thing.
I'm talking about a woman benefiting, benefiting from men's good nature.
Yeah.
We do have, we do have a line as men that we don't cross, right?
Yeah.
I've had it with Johnny Boy, like my best friend, where I'm like, oh wait, that was a little bit too much.
We all know that, hey, you can only push so far.
Women don't like that woman.
Respectful women do.
But women don't have to learn that line because they don't experience it, and that's only because it's an act of mercy.
Yeah.
You know what's worse too is that she wouldn't give grace to a black police officer.
Of course, all cops are bastards.
She said that like that.
Yeah.
On, on purpose.
Yeah.
For that reason, you are black.
All cops are bastards.
Even you who's not a copy or a dispatcher, she wouldn't give any grace.
You think Harriet Tubman, the one she said, you shouldn't say her name in vain.
You think Harriet Tubman was being selective with the slaves she rescued.
Right.
Well, you were you were really friendly with your master so I'm going to go ahead and leave you here in Georgia.
I don't think so.
No, no, exactly.
You know what Harriet Tubman would slap the shit out of you.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know what she is?
She's the reason that my dad's best friend's father, Officer Perceroni, who works as a Detroit police officer, had to help his black police officer friends get home in unmarked cars because people like her said all cops are bastards and they would often have to go back to the black community that they were trying to help police.
Right.
She puts black men's lives in danger, black male officers.
And you set it up with you're doing it for the man man.
You're a turncoat.
You're an uncle Tom.
People like her make it more dangerous for black men, both police officers and the people who were at greatest, greatest risk in Detroit were black officers.
They would have to go through unmarked, unmarked cars, sometimes switch off another car just to go back home.
Yeah, of course.
And she it's it's it's it's counterintuitive as well because what she was saying, I think prior to that was that when the black communities were kind of these separate communities, they would police themselves.
Right.
And she's like, well, that's why crime was lower.
We don't need people to come in and police ourselves because we're a statistic that they get to use.
And I'm like, well, hold on.
What about the black police officers from that community that are trying to that's who they would be polishing themselves with.
anyway.
So why don't you just use a good example, black cops that volunteer to go out and try to help clean up their own communities.
Well, what about those cops or bastards though?
Okay, well then you don't want anybody policing you.
Good luck.
Well, let me make it let me make it more simple let me make it more simple.
Black used to police in their communities used to police themselves and they were safer.
Great, why don't they now?
But what what changed?
You mean they were freed and it got worse?
Do you mean they got more money into their public schools and it got worse?
Do you mean affirmative action and it got if if the black community could police their own for a very long time, what changed?
Oh wait, that stat that you don't like of fatherless households.
And I'm sorry, that's right.
Because of the culture of hip hop and gangster rap, which is the fault of white prisons.
It's because of prisons, even though.
Well, we were forcing feeding them crack, so.
Yes, yes.
We were forcing feeding them crack and NWA.
Yes.
Well, the guy was giving lessons down at the local night school on how to turn cocaine into crack and then forcing it in their faces.
Yeah.
Why don't that's what my uncle did.
Why do you think it is that poor young white people don't?
So in other words, you say they're they're the ones who offer it to us.
And I'm sure, by the way, of course, facing temptation when you're younger, you're more likely to make mistakes.
But why is it not the same?
Why is there such a disparity with poor young white people not doing drugs and offing other young white people or black people in record numbers.
Why are poor young white men more often, not always, but statistically more often able to say, no, I don't want crack.
No, I don't want meth.
No, I don't want to eat unhealthy processed food and purple drink.
Why is it, and then why is it when you have someone in the black community, well, maybe I'm answering my own question, like Ben Carson who was raised to a single mother in Detroit and tried to stab a relative with a belt buckle, and instead becomes the world's most brilliant neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins, you mock him and say he's not black enough.
Oh, well, maybe that's why.
no reward, there's no praise, there's no credit for a young black man saying, No crack, no gangs.
I'm going to be ROTC.
Yeah, every bit of your culture celebrates it.
Yeah.
From birth.
Every single part of your culture celebrates this stuff.
And you, you want to blame me for that?
And by the way, I've self segregated in the sense that I just avoid the predominantly black areas since COVID.
I have black people in my neighborhood.
My neighborhood's really mixed.
Love my neighbors.
But I'll tell you this.
I have no interest.
At this point, I'm like, I'm not going there.
Why?
Crime.
Yeah.
Really quickly, just as a clarification, we talked about something earlier about black on white crime.
Typically your group is the group that assaults you the most.
But when it gets out of that, it's this is weird.
Blacks are twelve times more likely to victimize whites than vice versa.
It's not even close.
It's not even close.
And so it's the same ballpark.
And because of all that systemic racism, the DOJ FBI stopped recording interracial crime statistics.
Because to cite it on YouTube was white supremacy.
Yeah.
twelve times.
Also, by the way, an officer, I believe, is sixteen times more likely to be shot by a black man than an officer of any color is to shoot a black man.
So armed white men are more likely to be shot by police officers than armed black men.
The reason they choose the stat, and this is all going by rote, the reason they choose unarmed black men are more likely to, okay, you know what they don't include in that stat?
Just like you talked about twelve times more likely to assault, commit a violent crime or murder a white person, unarmed black men are several times more likely to commit an assault against an officer, whether they have a weapon or not, are exponentially more likely to resist arrest.
They're much more likely to, by the way, not even just commit an assault against an officer, but be violent with someone in their own community.
When they both have guns, meaning it's cut and dry, hey, you have a gun, we need to disarm them, white men are more likely to get shot.
When they're unarmed, well, now it gets opaque.
Hold on a second.
Was he hitting the cop?
Was he screaming at the cop?
Was he running away from the cop?
Young black men are more likely to do that than white men.
So they use one stat, unarmed black men.
None of the others reflect their narrative in any capacity.
I'm going by road, take my word for it, or check the references when you go watch that change my mind.
Did we find the video, the culture thing?
Because if not, we'll just, okay, chat.
All right, uh, let's see.
First chat from Hipless Does It.
Question, do you guys think people like that crazy black lady who has no points are complet are completely ignorant or just as bad as the grifters who jumped on the train when it was convenient for money.
I would say she is willfully ignorant.
In other words, she started out as ignorant, then she realized she had a kind of a niche.
And it doesn't matter what you say.
When I tell you it's important to identify the people whose minds you can change and the people who have a vested interest in perpetuating the lie, she is actually a textbook example of the latter.
Yeah, of course.
She sets it up that way.
Stats lie all the time.
And by the way, it is true.
You can massage statistics.
But the preponderance of evidence when you look at violent crime statistics in the United States both isolated to the black community, black to white., white to black, black to Asian.
There's one group that stands out above all others, and there is one group that has a fatherless rate that stands out above all others.
But she goes, don't bring that in here.
That means it doesn't matter what you say.
And that's also why I don't like this format.
Yeah, I know.
She shouldn't have been allowed to bring up statistics again after that statement.
She should have been shut down at every opportunity to try to bring up a stat.
No, no, you just said statistics lie.
Josh, she didn't.
Well, you never did.
Oh, you never brought up a statistics.
She didn't take a point in fail safe.
That's my point.
So you're applying logic.
Yeah.
You can see that.
Oh, so she goes, oh, I, yeah, her statistics were, oh, you're an actor.
Oh, you just want a statistics line.
Five minutes of fame.
So what's the number?
Stats lie.
So what's the number?
Because you must have a counter argument to this.
You must know, okay, stats lie in general.
Are they lying on this one?
You must know.
You must have looked into this because you must have looked through the window and saw 88 percent and said, man, that's a high number.
That's got to be wrong.
Let me dive into why that's wrong.
Tell me what the real number is.
You don't have one.
Right.
You just don't want it to be right.
I'm saying the people that they need to be made an example of.
And Andrew Wilson said this perfectly.
I'm going to hold your face in the mirror and not let you go away from that point until you realize that your worldview is terrible.
and it's wrong.
Don't let up.
You want me to treat you like I treat my mom?
How do you know I'm any nicer to my mom than I'm going to be to you right now?
You just go after this lady.
100%.
She gets louder.
I'm getting louder.
She gets up in my face.
I'm getting it.
I don't care what she does.
That kind of ideology has to be ended so that people can be better off.
I was not so anyone can win.
I was praying that when she said, You're going to treat me like you treat your mom.
I was trying to get a staircase.
Shut up.
You damn stupid crackhead.
I wasn't.
But the problem with that is that she was surrounded by twenty conservatives.
Right.
So these are conservative.
She knows that these people are going.
She says, Be respectful.
She knows.
Right.
They're going to say, Yes, ma'am.
Yes.
And she can just be a total.
She was infinitely more respected than people who've shown up with liberals.
And that's why I don't like that format.
Well, first off, before that, here's the thing.
One thing that I actually, I will say, I'm proud of, and I think all of us are here.
If you have spent time watching the show for more than a week and have applied what we try and sort of impart, which is how to learn and how to discern, you are propaganda proof.
You won't take what I say at face value unless you check the references, and you shouldn't.
It makes it impossible for me to inject merely my opinion with no substantialation and you walk away believing it.
Let me ask you this.
When she talks about systemic racism and propaganda, okay, who is more likely to be susceptible to propaganda?
The entire group of people who've come to, by the way, a contrary in opinion because of statistics, because of data that they have available, along with their lived experience?
Are they more likely to be prone to being being propagandized?
Or the person whose followers subscribe to the ideology and philosophy of don't you stats believe what I say?
She's a propagandist.
I'm really, if nothing else, I'm very proud of the fact that we've, hopefully, you know, when I die, it'll be recognized that we were the only place that made our sources, our references publicly available and consistently told you, do not believe us here in this room.
don't i i stand by it and i think if you only have time to sit here and watch this um you'll be significantly more prepared and armed with information than And by the way, that includes the conservative viewing public.
But I would prefer if you didn't.
I would prefer if you watched other programs.
I would prefer if you go checked out the references because...
The references are usually left-inclining, like New York Times and Washington Post and CNN.
So you can learn exactly what they're saying.
Because when you do that, you can't end up like this woman.
You can't.
It's not possible.
It's not possible because you constantly have to defend your view.
She's never had to do it.
And she's a bitch.
Next chat.
Very next chat from Redgen twenty six.
Question for the crew.
If you could choose either CNN or MSNBC hosts to debate you alone in surrounded, which would you choose and why?
Well, this goes back to why I don't like this format because you wouldn't debate alone in surrounded.
The idea is that you're surrounded.
And I don't like it because so Change of Mind was kind of, you know, was at that point was pretty groundetty groundbreaking, where it was like, here's the premise.
Anyone, no time limits, no edits.
And by the way, we one time put up speakers because it was such a big crowd that other people were complaining they wanted to hear it.
And we don't really do that a whole lot.
Maybe we put up one speaker occasionally for people right around or the production crew, because it's not about performance art, we try and actually sort of, I guess you could say, court it off so that people feel like they're having a conversation and you get to witness what is closer to a real conversation.
When it's someone standing like this and a line up on the other side of the table, now these people feel the peer pressure and they might act in a way that they wouldn't if they were having a discussion with you and when you put a timer when you put a timer that is based on a vote voting someone out well now you're no longer you're incapable of actually using the Socratic method and examining the root of your of your ideology of your logic because that would always be voted out.
It's a little bit longer.
It's a little bit drawn out.
It's a little bit boring.
But that's the only way that you actually make progress.
So I'm not a huge fan of the format.
I've been invited to do it.
I think it almost sort of, it just makes a change in my mind.
It's taking that and making it less authentic and making it more clickable.
But that was never the goal of it.
And that's a big reason why I've also kind of stopped doing it along with security issues.
It's like, okay, we set out what we wanted to accomplish and then it got copied by a bunch of people and they changed it into click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
And that's not what it's about.
So if I could debate anyone one-on-one.
Also, I'm sorry.
I'm talking about me.
I'm reminded why I stopped doing debates.
Because Dave Smith has disappeared.
And as far as I know, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Dave Smith was one of them.
And by the way, I do like him as far as as I know, he seems very respectful.
Mark Lamont Hill, I think we invited Pierce Morgan.
People who say, I'll have a conversation with anyone and it's equal footing.
We go, okay, great, great, yeah, we'll have you on.
Or I'll go on your, you know, no time, let's just do it.
They agree to it and don't show up.
But then what happens is when the people don't show up, then you have every Tom, Dick and Harry with five thousand X followers say, well, why wouldn't you debate me?
And then they act like you're ducking someone.
Well, you're not ducking someone if it's someone with a tenth of the followership.
So we can never, I can never really, I've never been able to get my hands on, as it were, the people where it would make sense.
The people who say they'll do it, they never show up.
They don't show up.
Dave Smith said yes, as far as I understand it.
Lane Gingersnap.
You tried to schedule something right before we went on break and he went to nobody reached back out.
And reached back last week and we said great, what time this week?
Yeah.
And as I understand it, Gingersnap correct me, Lane, correct me if I'm wrong.
We haven't heard back from him.
We said great, any time.
So to give you an idea, the terms were any day this week.
So last week we said any day next week work and I don't know that we've heard anything back.
Have we?
You're correct.
We haven't heard anything back.
So here's the thing and then it makes it tough because we run a business and you're what matters most and we run a real show and so then they might show up and go like, hey, I got 155 minutes right now.
It's like, well, we can't just hey, let's just let's treat this like we would all treat, you know, a meeting, which is with some professionalism.
So it's like, ugh, I don't really want to do it because you never get to actually have the conversations that matter.
You'd be surprised as to the number of people who refuse to show up.
Okay.
I think I could answer the question for you of who you would debate on one of these mainstream networks.
Return of the slack.
Yeah, and by the way, with them it would be a debate.
It wouldn't be rhetoric.
It wouldn't be changing my mind because they've been, yeah, they've been spearheading these lies.
You got to pick.
Honestly, we've looked at CNN because they say they're middle of the road, right?
That's one of the reasons that we started focusing on them because we're just trying to just present their lies.
You know, you've got Fox over here on the right, you've got MSNBC on the left and CNN in the middle.
That's why we always reference them because we're trying to give you what they say is middle of the road.
Obviously, we're going to disagree with MSNBC, but that's who I would want to debate.
would want to debate Rachel Maddow or somebody like that if you're if you're limited to MSNBC hosts because I want the worst of the worst of the worst the furthest that you can get into their ideology I would rather have that because I feel like that's a better representation of that position.
Yeah, but the truth is, no, I think people kind of know how that would go.
Brian Seltzer, just because I really like it, I think it would be something, I would have a lot of questions.
Unrelated to the topic at hand.
Yeah, who's your wallpaper?
But someone like a Dana Bash because she's been presented as authoritative.
Someone like a Jake Tapper.
Tapper for sure.
Because he presents himself as down the middle.
Yeah.
And someone like, who would be interesting, like an Adam Anton because he's held out as a guy who's like, he's a data guy.
And Adam Anton, right?
Is it Adam?
Oh, it's Harry Enton.
I'm sorry, otherwise the sound bit.
You're right.
You're right.
It's Harry Enton.
We did this this morning, makes my day.
Yeah, Gerald produced it.
Because nothing.
That's all I did.
He's a data guy and nothing could be further from the truth.
Yeah.
So I would love to, I was always interested in people who were seen as authoritative, because I'll be clear, I'm not.
Right?
What happened is they would use the criticism, well, here's this when I was really young, you know, they would go, here's this young guy, who's just some comic, and so who cares what he has.
And I go, you're right, you're right.
So I should be really easy.
I should be really, really easy.
Noam Chomsky, right?
who never showed up.
At one point Don Lemon, who never showed up.
So I really wanted people who were very authoritative, against whom I should absolutely lose.
You should bet the house.
Because if it's me and Chris Cuomo, it just looks like two goons.
Like that's not lost to me.
If it's me and just some random person or another comedian, but I wanted to go after people who were held out as authoritative figures.
Right.
And that's why when we did Change My Mind, we also did the call out to every professor.
And not just Change My Mind, but we will allow you to host the debate at your university with the format of your choice.
And we never had any takers.
It wasn't possible.
So it's a tough spot.
I'd like to do it, but those are the only ones that I'm interested in at this point.
I should lose.
People should bet on me losing.
Those are the ones that I want.
Let's grab a chat.
I'm not good at debating anything serious nature.
So I would choose Wolf Blitzer.
Yeah.
I'm going to say.
Yeah.
Because I think I could beat him at Jeopardy and I think I could probably beat him at a debate.
Trivia speed round.
Next chat.
Next chat.
I was going to say that too because of that.
I was like, don't say Wolf Blitzer.
Don't say it.
So dumb.
Final chat.
Okay.
Curtin one hundred forty seven asks.
We always know that MSM hates everything pro Trump related.
At what point can we start auditing these companies to see where their anti-American talking points are coming from?
Well, first of all, I would correct one thing, not pro-Trump, pro-America, pro-conservative, because they did it with Ronald Reagan, they did it with Nixon.
We did that segment where we actually showed you not only cartoon images and news headlines that compared them to Nazis, but pictures with swastikas.
So don't just hit your wagon to the Trump thing.
Yes, he's more polarizing.
He's been more effective as a lightning rod than anyone in highlighting it, because he's not been diplomatic about it, and I think that's what we needed.
As far as auditing, you know, it's not you don't really need to audit, for example, CNN or ABC when you see like Stefanopoulos and his ties to the Clintons or you see a lot of these connections and where their donations go.
And I think you probably would come up a little bit disappointed as far as like big Chinese money.
I think you'd be surprised as to those online.
Like tenant media with Lauren Southern, Lauren Chen, or Lauren Chen really was a spearhead.
To be clear, people like Tim Poole didn't have no idea, but Lauren Chen did know that it was Russian money and seemingly lied to those people.
That's the tip of the iceberg.
And I tell you this because they made me an offer.
And they weren't the only ones.
And it immediately seemed fishy.
I think you'd be surprised by money from Qatar.
I think you'd be surprised online in money from China.
We saw that a lot with the TikTok topic.
We see Qatar a lot with the Hamas-Israel topic.
So I think you'd be surprised in online media because a lot of these sort of, I guess, devil investors see it as an opportunity.
With legacy media, these are just big giant corporations and so it's it's it's pretty easy to to see it's pretty plain to see but yeah that would be my answer sorry i said final chat but that final final chat and then you guys are going to go to Tim Poole and then Russell Brant.
Okay, final chat from Captain Johnson.
Hey.
What would it take for Russia and the US to become good allies or friends?
I'll tell you, if I'm president, for that to happen, it's all right.
Any remnants of communism obviously gone.
And I know you're going to say that it's gone, but I mean really, really gone.
Freedom of speech has to be a thing.
Second Amendment has to be a thing.
And your citizens have to be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
You actually have to start treating them the way that we do in the United States.
You can have your own culture, but you can't be jailing people because of music, and you can't be jailing journalists, and you can't be pushing out propaganda.
You're going to have to start playing by the rules.
And we don't want to make you America, but these things are irreconcilable with the American way of life.
So make no mistake about it here.
Russia and Putin is certainly not a country that is amenable to the American way of life.
And if they had the ability, which they don't, they would love to subvert it.
Now, the question comes down to how do they do that?
Well, the way that Russia does that, it's really simple.
A weaker America is better for Russia.
That's how you know the Russia collusion thing was complete and total bullshit.
Because do you know who Vladimir Putin wanted in power?
Obviously Hillary Clinton.
Do you know who he wanted in power?
Obviously Barack Obama.
Do you know who he wanted in power?
power, obviously Joe Biden.
Why?
Check the invasions and under whose watch they happened.
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