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Cool twist on it, how she becomes a Silver Server is nice.
I gave you a little bit of the backs.
Yeah, she's a mother.
Yeah, it's like, oh, okay, that's something that people can connect with.
A lot of family stuff.
And then the little sexual tension between her and the George or Flame Johnny or whatever his name is.
I thought that was fun.
That was a great idea.
From her being a female, a lot of his desire to problem solve came from like a sexual tension that they have with each other.
And it makes him, you put a woman in or a black person, no one cares as long as it serves the storyline.
This completely served the storyline.
Right.
I didn't see anything that was completely unnecessary.
I've seen a few people critique and say that Reed was an idiot.
He was a genius, then he was an idiot, then he was a genius, kind of figuring stuff out.
I'm like, I didn't really see that.
I mean, Ben Graham addressed that at one point.
Yeah.
He's like, yeah, you're an idiot.
And he goes, yeah, you're a genius, but can you cook?
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and he was a new father.
And so there was other considerations.
So look, I think overall, we all like the movie.
I was surprised.
I walked out of the movie going, huh?
Like, I hated the audience that I was sitting in because I had, you know, teenagers in there making fart noises.
That's hilarious.
All of you idiots.
Spoiler.
It wasn't teenagers making fart noises.
It was just some guy.
The one thing I want to touch on super quick is how many people jumped on my comment.
I'm like, that's a good movie.
Like, you're gay.
That's.
And I'm like, have you seen it?
No.
No, I haven't seen it.
Of course not.
So there's this still inherent desire to want to be kind of the victim of the culture wars.
Yeah.
When I think there's actually a turning point and we should celebrate that we've pushed to get back to this point.
Yes.
And so that's my one of my problems with Tim Poole's review of this movie.
And look, Tim and I agree on a lot of different stuff.
Like I'm not angry at Tim or anything, but when it comes to movies, you can disagree with somebody and say they're an idiot and mean it specifically for their opinion on a movie because it's an opinion.
I guess I thought his take was just that it was just terrible.
Like he gave it a three out of 10.
And I was just like, listen, if we want movies to go, like I, all I want to do right now is move the line from getting DEI'd and storylines kind of contrived and re kind of recycled, but with just replacement characters that are going in different directions, either racially or with gender or with sexuality.
If we can just get movies that don't do that, and then maybe like just not anti-American, it doesn't have to be super over-the-top pro-American right now.
We're so anti-American in some of these things.
I just want to move away from that.
So every time we get a movie like that, I'm like, oh, good, that's a step in the right direction.
There may be some imperfections, but listen, this is not the Marvel slop that a lot of people are like, there's just more Marvel slop.
You haven't seen the movie, most likely.
That's fine.
Even if you see it and you think that, that's also fine.
But I just disagree vehemently.
This actually had a good storyline to it.
It was a good relaunch of a brand that was very popular that they completely screwed up before with the original.
It's a completely different story than the rest of the Marvel stuff.
It's in a different universe.
It's on a different Earth.
The time is different.
It's like a modern yet retro time.
Which is really weird.
You're interesting things around.
You can do space travel, but you can't have flat screens.
Someone said it.
It's like, well, that was fine.
No, I thought they have tubular televisions in the middle of a building.
That's sort of set in what people in the 1950s would have imagined today looks like.
Yeah, yeah.
And so the fact that they made it in that time.
Yeah.
At first, I was wondering about that.
And then I was like, you know what?
This works really, really well.
Like, that was very good.
They summed up some of the history really well.
You got to hear a little bit more about Galactus.
All of that stuff was pretty cool.
And Pedro Pascal, for all of his faults and being and everything, actually did a pretty good job acting.
My only critique is that it didn't need him.
No, it could have been somebody else.
It could have been somebody else very easily, and it would have been fine as long as it was a decent actor and you're good to go.
Yeah, there's some roles that you're like, like Iron Man needed Robert Dunne.
It needed Robert Dunny.
It really did.
The thing this movie did, and Josh and I were talking about it, is especially when Reed and Sue would have a conversation about their child or the impending doom of the planet.
They sat on emotional moments and let it breathe.
And it felt like a real argument between a husband and wife.
They did not.
And it wasn't really an argument.
They were both on the same page in a way, but they were just expressing their emotion.
I thought it was great.
But there was not the stupid Marvel humor that they felt the need to incessantly insert to break up moments like that.
It was so dumb, but they let emotion linger.
And it's like, oh, this is what draws people to characters.
Yeah.
And I agree with that.
And they also listen, you know, for all of you guys out there who are worried that maybe she's going to be the girl boss.
Let me just, let me just, she was essentially submitting to his decisions.
Yes.
Now she was trying to shape those decisions.
She was expressing concern and maybe fear.
She showed strength and fragility very well.
It's definitely an art and an art to their relationship.
That was good.
I was just like, yeah, that's how it's supposed to be right there.
That's a woman.
She can be very strong, but also has some moments where emotion and kind of this protection, but then going like, Reed, what are we going to do?
Like that was very interesting to me in a husband-wife relationship.
I was like, good, that's nobody should be offended by that.
It doesn't make her look weak at all.
It doesn't make him look like he's not.
And she kind of criticized him for the way, you know, for the way he thinks.
Yeah.
And then later in the movie, because of the way he thinks, she's like, he makes a hard decision the way you think right now.
Right.
He makes a very hard decision that she disagrees with.
But guess what?
He still makes that decision.
So anyway, I think I would recommend everybody go see this movie.
I think you're going to like it.
We do have to vote.
That's right.
That's right.
So is it mugs up or something?
Mugs up or mugs down?
It's definitely a mugs up for me.
Probably two mugs up.
It's not Top Gun Maverick, but it's two mugs up.
Mugs up.
Same for me.
Same for me.
Two mugs up if I had another one.
If you had another one.
This one's got like mashed potatoes on the bottom.
There we go.
And I really don't think this is just a case of, man, we've been waiting so long for just average again.
I think in any time, this is a pretty good movie.
It's a pretty good movie.
Yeah.
It takes a lot of bars.
It got me, it's like what an old Marvel movie used to do, where at the end of the movie, I see the movie and then I see the little teaser and I get excited for the next part.
I'm not even kidding.
That was what happened.
I was like, oh, I'm excited to see them return.
An autistic guy at my theater screamed when that happened.
A black, not autistic guy screamed in the theater, oh my gosh, it's effing and said the name, it's effing.
And I'm like, there's kids in here, bro, and effing.
And he said it four times.
No, my God.
He was so excited.
He was so excited.
I mean, look, I loved that.
That was one of the coolest features of the Marvel Universe as they were kind of building anticipation for these movies to kind of come together with different people coming in and the next one.
And so I think they're going to nail that with this.
We'll see.
If I had to criticize one thing.
We had such a positive vibe.
Well, one criticism is there was some, there's a bit of predictability in it.
There was.
Oh, yeah.
There was a bit of predictability in it.
And I hope they tighten that up.
The way they solve the problem at the end, too, is very, like, weird.
It's very convenient.
It is convenient.
Yeah, they could have done.
It's kind of predictable.
Just needed a little bit more work.
Not a lot, actually.
Just a little bit.
And you'd have been like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Now I was like, well, why would he do that?
Yeah.
You'll understand it.
Make sure you stay through the previews through the credits.
And it'll be a good one.
Let's take two chats really quickly and then we'll be gone.
We have gone long today, but mostly...
Well, we've got to close the segment with a stinger joke.
Oh, that's...
Thank you.
Just want to see the noodles Sidney Sweeney ad again because it's hilarious.
No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do it.
I'm just saying.
We'll close on that.
We'll send you out with the hilarity of Mayor Chow.
Go ahead.
All right.
First chat from Swarty25.
Okay.
Give you a football one.
Question for Chris.
Any opinions on Trump pushing for the Washington commies to change their name back?
You know, this is one of those things where I don't care a whole lot.
I think they should change their name back.
Washington Redskins is the actual name, Cleveland Indians.
Like, we don't need to change names of sports teams.
It's not a government person.
It's not a problem.
I think it's not the president's business.
I think you're wasting time.
I mean, I know you live there and everything, but.
Yeah, if he just wants to make a comment or something like that to kind of weigh in and maybe help a conversation get going, I think that's fine.
If he's like, ah, look, I love the name when it was Washington Redskins.
Great.
There you go.
Just move on with your life.
You got bigger things to do.
So that's my thing.
I also don't know that he and really even Congress should be stepping into the NCAA stuff with the executive order he signed.
All of that stuff really bothers me because part of the part this problem is sorting itself out if you give it time.
It will sort itself out.
But let the NCAA take care of a lot of this.
And then if they overreach, as long as players and coaches and people on the other side have some power to be able to kind of push back, then I'm just going to take a look at it.
It feels like overreach.
A little bit of government.
That's kind of anti-Also go Irish.
This is like the perfect shirt, Trump and Notre Dame.
Like if you don't have this shirt.
Or hey, baby, what is Notre Dame?
The leprechaun, bro.
Cath.
Does that make you the hunchback?
Do you know how many state constitutions prevented Catholics from holding public office?
And they couldn't vote because of dual loyalty concerns.
We'll get into that conversation a different time.
This is college football.
Done with that.
Move on to the next one.
Final chat, if it's good.
All right.
Final question from Cake23.
Do you think the split with Elon Musk and DJT was real, especially with the launch of the Tesla dinner diner or whatever?
And SpaceX Starlink joint venture with T-Mobile.
Well, I don't know how any of those things would be related.
The diner is, I mean, it's not the Donald Trump Tesla diner.
What does that have to do with the.
Maybe they can.
We're not going to end on that chat.
It's going to anger me.
It's going to make me mad.
I'm going to go into lunch being angry at people.
I'm going to throw food.
I'm going to tip poorly.
I think everybody.
There's no chats because everybody's looking at Sidney Sweeney right now.
They're literally calling for an admonishment for Gerald.
What?
For what?
I'll take it.
You have to have good grounds, or at least fake grounds that sound good.
No, they don't have any grounds for it.
They just say admonish Gerald, please.
Don't you either.
Don't you?
You know how many people were so excited that when Stephen on Wednesday goes, and Gerald, how are you doing, Tim?
Bing, admonished.
You guys are sadists, all right?
You like me to be punished for no reason.
If I was ever trapped in the movie Saw and they were like, we're going to admonish him for every one of you guys that's watching, and it's like literally like axes falling on my head, spelling out admonish, you'd guys do it.
And you'd do it again to my dead corpse.
It's just wrong.
Last chat.
All right.
Torque Doctor asks, who do you think will be the next late night host to get the axe?
Josh, thank you for your service.
I mean, I thought.
I don't think Josh, thank you for your service, has a job.
Yeah, well, he could get the axe.
I don't know if anyone's going to get it.
You better do that, Josh.
I think if anybody's going to get it, I would assume that it'd be Seth Meyers because that's the same network.
And if they're going to cut late night, you know, Seth Meyers is less funny than Stephen Colbert.
Yeah.
For sure.
I'm sure less people watch it.
They might have a smaller budget and there's something there.
But if anyone's going to hit the axe, I think it'd be him.
I don't think ABC's going to cut Kimmel.
He's been on there for years.
I think NBC likes Avan Fallon.
Who's the other one?
Kimmel.
Kimmel, yeah.
ABC.
I think he's there to stay.
I think you're right.
I think it's probably Seth.
If anyone, yeah.
I think a lot of the networks are just looking at it from purely a financial perspective.
Obviously.
They do that a lot of times.
Sometimes they'll lose money on a show for a while.
That's what happened with Colbert.
I think there was negotiation.
So that's the thing.
It's not really a franchise in that same, but you've built a brand.
The brand can survive without him.
It'll be just fine.
It has before.
It's fine.
So you bring somebody in.
I think, huh?
The Colbert brand?
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
The late show.
The late show.
But they're getting rid of the late show.
That's my whole point.
My whole point is they're not firing and moving on from Colbert.
So it's not just a Colbert issue.
It is the entire model.
So I think you're going to see that model be taken away completely.
But your point makes a lot more sense because if you're at that network that is getting away from that model, they're going to get rid of both, I think, eventually.
I think across all platforms, all of those networks, you're going to see major restructuring.
They may do like one or two broadcasts and then some reruns.
But I think a focus is going to start moving to their YouTube content and their online content because people still watch those clips on YouTube heavily.
Yeah.
But people are not tuning in live at 11 p.m. to watch CBS and ABC because you're 70 years old.
Or unless you have some like really cool content.
And right now, none of those guys' routines, like they may be kind of cool compared to like the 80-year-old hosts of the other like broadcast television that you see.
I would argue that relatively.
Pushing advertising for sure.
Yeah.
And a lot of us critiquing it, right?
Because we're saying like this stuff should die.
This stuff is dead right now.
I wonder what's going to fill that slot.
I mean, television isn't thriving, so I wonder what's going to fill that slot.
I don't know.
I mean, that's a really good point, but a lot of it's shifting.
You know when they cut the feed off and it just goes, tee.
Yes, go back to the Native American or the Indian.
Play us out, Tim.
We'll see you guys on Monday.
But it's a nasty word.
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