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🔴 Andrew Wilson Solves Feminism, Unpacks the Red Pill & Defines Gender Roles | Louder with Crowder
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You know him from the Whatever podcast.
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And, of course, you also know him from some of the destructions that you have seen of feminists out there in the Internet sphere.
We're going to get into that.
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Orthodox Christianity?
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Thank you for having me.
By the way, to the Crucible crew.
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Nope, no password.
So, before we go on...
Before we go.
I thought you said those were props for a skit, bro.
Well, skit!
We method act.
We're going to Daniel Day-Lewis this.
I want you to, for people who are new to you, and I think a lot of people have seen your arguments, I guess I should say, or debates, particularly on Pierce Morgan, Tommy Lahren.
We have a clip from that.
How would you characterize yourself?
Because now things are, you know, there's the red pill movement and people think of that, you know, some people conflate whatever podcasts, the Fit and Fresh, and your Yeah, well, I can untangle a bunch of that.
So, my view, I'm a Christian ethicist, and I focused on politics, and specifically politics.
I do get in the realm of apologetics occasionally, but you could say that I'm far right, moderately dissident right, something in there.
I don't associate myself as being red pill or even part of the Manosphere, though I do do a lot of debates inside of the Manosphere and get along really well with those guys because I've tried to understand their positions and they have some really good ones.
But to untangle what these views are.
the Christian rites constantly tangling with the manosphere because they purposely refuse to listen to anything they have to say.
Yes.
Yes.
As Rolo Tomasi calls it, a praxeology.
I wouldn't call it a praxeology, but what I would say is it's a data packet.
So think of everything that is red pill related just being in a file and handed to somebody.
It's a series of descriptors, not prescriptors, right?
There's no prescriptions, just describing reality.
What you do with it from there is up to you.
And so what's happened is, pickup artists have picked up this file, and now it's going to help them teach men how to get pussy.
Or, another guy picks up this file, and he says, oh, well this can help men with their dating.
Other guys pick up this file, and they're like, wait, there's some human dynamics here which we're really missing out on that could really be helpful for men's rights, and to advocate for men's rights.
A lot of people don't really know about.
And so they go that angle, right?
And so the red pill itself is not actually an ideology.
It's an idea of descriptors.
And then there's ideologues, which we use the descriptors to back up whatever their ideology is.
Right.
And we had actually the film Red Pill from Cassie J a long time ago.
And Karen Strawn early on in the show, like in the, gosh, I want to say 2014, 2015, we went through the suffragettes.
And so the term red pill was around.
What you're saying in kind of a different way that I describe it is you look at some of these movements where they do have prescriptions, they're right in diagnosing the problem and sometimes incorrect with the answer.
For example, some people, their prescriptions sleep with as many bitches as possible so you know which one are hoes.
And I would think that as Christians, believing Christians, we're like, ah, that's probably not good because it's destructive to your soul.
But they're recognizing the problem of promiscuity and the breakdown of gender norms.
And I think that's a good way to put it.
Description or descriptors versus prescriptors.
I will say one thing you do better than anyone.
Anyone out there and has caught my attention is lasering in on questions where it comes down to this.
We know what the fundamental duties are of men.
We know what our rights are.
Let's get past that discussion.
But no one wants to define what that is for women.
And ultimately, if people think that's offensive, you can scream until you're blue in the face.
Young men are checking out.
They're not getting married.
And that's not good for our country.
That's not good for our birth rate.
That's not good for our society.
So do we want to deal with the offense that is the reason for men checking out?
Or do we want to simply leave it at, well, that's offensive.
We don't want to ever place duties on women.
Yeah, so, I mean, this is the fundamental question.
So let's take everything, every type of political ideology you can think of, every type of ideology you can think of, and just put them in a series of propositions, logical propositions.
If we take a bird's eye view of all of the world, here's what the world really is.
It's a series and sequence of men who are killing each other over resources and land.
Okay?
That's what every nation is.
That's what every tribe is.
Today, it could be over kicks.
Yeah, it could be over whatever, right?
But fundamentally, that really is what's going on.
Now, men intuitively actually understand this.
In fact, they don't even have a problem with this.
They're like, yep, it's going to be our tribe and your tribe.
That's the way it is.
You don't even really have to describe this reality for them because they just understand that that's the reality.
Because of that, what has happened is it falls to the duty of the stronger sex to protect women and the weaker sex.
I completely agree that that is true.
But also it falls to them the duty of procurement of resources, the refinement of resources, the distribution of resources.
And this is at the political level down.
The distribution of resources.
So, that's all politicians ever fight about.
All day, every day, non-stop.
So, if we're in the distribution phase, right?
Men have procured this and, you know, they're distributing it.
And it's women and children who are the primary beneficiaries of it and not men.
We know what our duties are.
They're very complete and they're not very complex.
Yeah.
Protectors, provider, right?
And that's how you demonstrate we're the protectors and providers.
Still lever, but sure.
Yeah.
So, what are women?
What are their duties?
So here's my question.
I'll ask you, what is a woman's duty?
What are her duties that are on par with that of men?
Well, hold on a second.
Four Gerald answers.
I think you did a good job because you put him on the spot.
I'll give you time to think about it.
I think you did a really good job of, and this is something that you also address, overt feminism versus covert feminism.
You were on Pierce Morgan with Tommy Laird.
A lot of people ran the clip where there was some back and forth kind of dunking snippy, but a lot of people missed this macro point that you made, which I think is the crux of it.
So I believe I'm a...
There we go again.
Pierce.
I'm a woman of virtue.
I happen to be independently successful.
I have a husband who's not only a former professional athlete, but is currently a professional baseball coach.
So is he not a masculine man?
I mean, I'm confused here.
What's your concept of a masculine man?
Mine is a man who respects me.
Yeah, that misses the point, though.
Like, you're still not contending with the argument that I'm making.
What's your point?
You're saying inside of society, right this second, right?
Masculinity is not only punished, but also women on the right.
Covert feminists on the right are constantly and consistently talking about how they need to have privilege in society.
I want men.
Their version of masculinity is men who take care of us, men who protect us, men who do all of this.
Those are all duties that men have towards women.
Great.
What are the duties that women have towards men?
What are the duties that women have towards anything?
What do men get out of this arrangement?
What are we getting out of this arrangement?
Can you tell me?
I mean, as I was going to answer a second ago...
Well, I would argue that men immediately should be protectors and providers.
Most men are born that way.
Let Tommy respond to that, and then I'll come to you, Jess, and then Sean, you'll be waiting patiently.
Most men are born to be protectors and providers.
I can't imagine my dad saying, you know what, to my mom, you know what, I'm not going to be a protector and a provider unless you do this.
That's not how real men operate.
Real men are protectors and providers, and they marry women who hopefully have some virtue, but also bring a lot to the table as well, that are great mothers, great wives, caretakers of the home.
There's nothing wrong with being a traditional wife and mother.
You're misunderstanding me if you think that I think that women should just be out doing whatever they are.
I love getting lectured by women on what real men are.
But I don't think a man needs to get something out of it to be a manly man, a protector and a provider.
If you think you need to get something out of it, I quite frankly don't consider you a real man.
Okay.
So, a lot to unpack there, as people say.
I will say, you do need to provide something for him to be a manly man for and solely dedicated to you.
I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yeah, should it be a man in society, but one dedicated to you?
Full disclosure, Tommy Loren, if you've watched the show for a significant period of time, has been on.
I have no ill will toward Tommy Loren.
I just think that that was a seminal moment here in this movement because you've been often misrepresented.
Sometimes we're like, he just dunks on whores.
Although, when in Rome, every now and then.
Yeah.
But that's not what you're about.
You really, you are, I hate to use the term educator because it sounds so self-important.
Logician would be a good one.
There you go, okay.
And you've talked about the way you approach it.
Yeah, so focus logician, focusing from the Christian ethics side.
The reason that this is...
Obviously controversial and stun-locking for people is because they expect Christians to act in a very effeminate way because the masculinity of Christianity, especially in the Protestant side, has been completely sucked out by these blood-circling, viperous, sewing-circle Christians, is what I call them, and they're covert feminists.
That's a long name.
Yeah.
I was, like, looking for a bunch of adjectives to lace together.
We could maybe just, like, bumper cigarette to shrill bitches.
Yeah, that's where that word is.
No, but I understand.
So you were asking him before this.
I thought this was a really important question that I hadn't really thought as much about until I saw that clip with you and Tommy.
I was like, man, this goes right to the heart of some of the things that I've been thinking about and talking with my wife about.
Wouldn't it be great if somebody was articulating that for women today?
Because it seems to be a huge disconnect.
And you can go back biblically and go, okay, well, what does the Bible kind of say about this?
Well, it's obviously, you know...
Having children and raising children, but there's other stuff, too.
Like, when you read Proverbs 31, it doesn't mean that the wife is just sitting at home barefoot, pregnant, and waiting for the husband to come home and beat her up.
She does a lot of stuff in that, you know, and does things for the family.
You know, so I would say my answer to that, and what Tommy probably should have said, okay, what you get out of it is children, right?
I have the children, and I will be a mom to those children.
I'll be faithful, I'll take care of the home, and I will be a good wife to you as well as a good mother.
And there's maybe some other stuff.
And are women having children?
Well, the birth rate would suggest otherwise.
So then it appears like perhaps they're failing at the duty, right?
So if a woman brings this up as a duty, right, and knows that you can counter by saying, like in Tommy Lauren's particular case, does she have children?
Well, I don't think so.
And so the thing is, it's like, you know, a lot of these women, the reason they can't utilize this as an answer is because they don't live up to the very duty, duty to expectation that they themselves would permeate to other people.
Right.
I agree with you.
I think that childbirth is uniquely a thing.
I mean, only women can do this and it puts them in a position of privilege in society.
And we put them there because they need to be protected.
Right.
Yeah.
But what do we get here?
We're supposed to be getting the children and we're supposed to be getting the mom for the children and the dutiful wife and the women of great virtues, as I brought up.
Right.
Tommy Lauren, the reason this was...
It's because what she said was, men innately want to just do this for us.
So what does she do?
She instantly assigns herself and all women privilege.
We instantly put ourselves in a position of privilege versus men.
It's innate for you, Stephen, that you want to buy me nice shit and then watch me put it on!
Like, you're privileged!
You're privileged!
Don't you want me to be happy buying nice shit?
And you get to provide it.
You're doing exactly what a real man's supposed to do, and I'm doing exactly what a woman's supposed to do.
Andrew, I have to tell you, you're a horrible salesman.
You really are.
And by the way, it's not so much the putting on as the taking off that's the fun part, so let's just be clear.
Come on, let's just be honest here.
Wherever disagreements exist...
With your wife.
That's a crowd pleaser.
With your wife.
Okay, so that is...
And it was fascinating to me, I will say, I don't want to keep going back to it, that no one...
Not even the homosexual sort of ally in there.
No one on that show answered at any point.
And when they were asked, they still kept coming back to what was clearly an expected duty of men.
All the time.
And men are checking out.
And what's the very first thing they always say?
And you'll see it on every single kind of feminist exchange I have.
You're not a real man.
Right?
You get to make the determination on what men are or aren't.
Right?
Now, what if I said this back to you?
Oh, you can't have children?
You're not a real woman.
How would that go over?
Very poorly.
Oh, it really probably wouldn't go over very well, right?
But if they assign that as a duty that women ought to be moving towards, it doesn't mean every woman can have kids.
They can't.
We know this.
But they also should not be trying to provide an environment where other women are not.
They should not be moving in society towards a lack of childbirth, but facilitating other women having children and families, even if they themselves can't.
We wouldn't, like, count them out.
You wouldn't say, oh, you had a hysterectomy because you had cancer?
You're not a woman anymore.
Of course, that's ridiculous.
But what we would say is, if you've had the hysterectomy, right, and you can't have children, you know, that sucks.
But you should still be, in society, trying to create the conditionals so that other women can.
Instead of trying to agitate against it or promote against it, you should be trying to at least lay the groundwork down so that other women can fulfill their duties.
And how do I know this?
Because that's exactly what men are expected to do.
You're in a wheelchair.
You can't work.
You can't provide security, resources, things like this.
You still have an obligation.
To at least attempt to facilitate so that others can.
So that you're not getting in the way of other people doing that and you're still promoting in society that they can.
And if you don't, you're considered a piece of shit, right?
Right.
Now you're just a crippled piece of shit.
They don't tell you that part about Lieutenant Dan.
I got no legs.
Yeah, you piece of shit.
Now you're just a crippled piece of shit.
Well, hold on.
Just as a follow-up, has anybody...
Not, obviously, time of the run, because I don't think she has.
But has anybody else articulated that to you?
In private or in some conversations?
How is that possible?
Because it really is the only logical answer that you can have.
Well, first of all, people don't think.
And secondly, there was a feminist on this, on another Pierce Morgan feminist panel I did, the Dunkin' Donuts panel, where the feminist did say, Not sponsored by them.
I do think women have an obligation to have children.
Yeah.
Until I pressed her on it.
And then suddenly that obligation, she was like, well, okay, maybe not, right?
Maybe I don't actually think that.
Backed away from it very quickly, and it was all back to what men's responsibility to women are, right?
Women's responsibilities have been completely thrown off of them since the sexual liberation, right?
Since especially the 60s and 70s, the entire thing was the removal of patriarchy.
So if you're going to be a victim class, even though you outnumber men, but you're still the victim class, right?
Well, then who are your victimizers?
Well, it can only be men, right?
So if men are in charge of systems, that's what patriarchy is.
So women, when you're talking about feminism and covert feminism, do you see right-wing women do this all the time, where they try to get an egalitarian caste, right?
We want egalitarianism with men at the highest echelon's highest levels.
Well, that necessarily displaces male power, therefore displacing patriarchy.
And you, as a conservative woman, are supposed to be for patriarchy.
You're supposed to want there to be patriarchy inside the household.
That's what you advocate for, but not in government.
Somehow men are okay to rule their household, but the second they're in charge of the planet, then it's a problem.
It's like, what are you talking about?
It's absurd.
If we had only female world leaders, there'd be no wars.
Yeah, except here's part of that red pill packet descriptors, right?
There's some famous studies which were done that went back and looked at queens and looked at kings.
It turns out when queens were in charge, there was more war, not less war.
And the myth of the matriarchy anyway has been completely reduced to rubble.
There's never been a matriarchy in all of human history.
Ever.
Anywhere.
Qualify that.
What do you mean by matriarchy?
So patriarchy is from the father, right?
Most of the time, everything is done through what are called patrilineal means.
So from father to son, this is the change of power.
There have been queens, right?
But the entire governing body is not women.
The entirety of the governing body is always men everywhere all the time.
And essentially, it always has to be that way because we have the monopoly on force.
So if you look back through history, you'll see the dumb liberals will say things like, well, in the Arapaho tribe of the Navajos and the, you know, blah, blah.
It was a pure matriarchy where women were in charge, and then you look into it.
And you find out this is based on progressive nonsense, verbal history, right?
This comes down to verbal history.
And you go, okay, well, how come it wasn't in our recorded history when we actually started dealing with this tribe?
How come the men were making all the decisions in the chiefs?
Right?
Oh, well, that was because of colonialism.
How come there's no recorded history of these matriarchies?
Because they never existed.
And these people are frauds.
And what they do is they say, well, there's a verbal history.
Right?
And that's what proves it.
It's like, well, where's the...
Ain't that like women always being happy?
Yeah, where's the anthropology?
Speaking of that, women being happy.
Well, you know what?
I just want to say they pull the same thing with the gender stuff, too.
They go, well, there are plenty of societies.
You go, okay, name one.
And they go to some Native American tribe where they're like, I guess you could...
Kind of act like a lady.
Oral history.
It's through our oral history.
And it's like, yeah, so you can't prove any of this.
A little more oral history.
You probably wouldn't have such a problem with it.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and speaking of the other thing you just said, and this is interesting, when you're talking about the idea of women's happiness, there's been two comprehensive meta-analysis studies which have been done, piggybacking off each other, which study women all over the world.
And regardless of the conditions they're in, Doesn't matter what.
Regardless of the conditions, no matter how egalitarian, no matter how not egalitarian, no matter if they're in all the positions of power or not, in a comparative analysis, they're always less happy than men.
Always.
So basically, it's just like, even in the conclusions of these studies, it says, you just can't make women happy.
You just can't.
Well, that would also go to the psychological profiles, right?
Like, Jordan Peterson talks about this.
You have your differences, but increase, you know, higher level of neuroses.
You know, the idea of a mom being a worrier.
And some could say that's a biological sort of evolutionary mechanism, right, to be worrying, to be on alert, because a part of your job in a tribe, for example, would be to alert those who could thwart the threat where you can't deal it.
Well, I mean, none of this should be offensive to anybody, right?
In fact, I say that most of this is blatantly obvious to the observer.
It's like if you ask a person, who's stronger, men or women?
Right?
And they go, well, you know, I'm not really sure.
It's like, just based on what you observe.
Yeah.
You know, just like when you're walking down the street and person lift up heavy shit, do they usually have a penis or not?
Right.
You know?
It's like, well, well, you know, okay, yeah, they mostly have a penis.
You can cut those off these days, though.
There are exceptions, right?
Yeah.
Because there are some women who are stronger than men.
It's like, that's not what I'm talking about.
Well, and the thing that's so funny about that is it's like...
I can see the point, of course.
There's plenty of women out there who are stronger than some men.
I'm not disputing that.
So what?
The exception is what proves the rule, right?
That's what proves the rule.
It's like, because you have to point to an exception, you're saying there's a rule, right?
Or how do we get an exception to it?
Right.
No, you're exactly right.
Let me ask you this, because you talk about this, and I think people right now are probably going to go along and say, okay, logically that makes sense, the idea of the duty we've absolved societally.
Especially with the rise, the ascent of feminism of duties.
But let me ask you this.
On a personal level, because ultimately we do want to get to solutions.
On a personal level, on a day-to-day basis, I don't know what the number is right now.
I think it's 30-something percent of women are going to be single and young men are uninterested in getting married.
And that number by 2030-something, it's going to be close to 50 percent, depending on which numbers you use.
Well, it's 65 percent in 25 years.
Right.
So that's going the wrong way.
Yeah.
So on an individual basis, what would you identify as the primary problem or what creates the hesitancy, the sort of reticent nature from men to get into that dating sphere?
Because a lot of men are checking out.
What needs to be resolved there for men to say, okay, let me give this another go?
Yeah, there's two primary problems.
And anybody can look this up with a cursory Google search, not even hard information to find.
The first is in all Western nations, the second you hit industrialization, And you start promoting that women go to college and defer their childbearing years for college years, right?
You end up with an aging populace for women.
Your birth rates, they just nosedive.
It doesn't matter where.
It doesn't matter where.
Why is that so ineffective, especially for men?
Well, by the time...
Imagine you take women and you not only are telling them to defer their best childbearing years in college, But what is college?
It's not like they're going to women's colleges, right?
They're going to co-ed colleges.
And what happens there?
It's basically a den of iniquity and degeneracy, right?
So they're going, getting their face planted in a pillow and rode hard for about four years.
Then they go out into career world, do the exact same thing, play the field for another three years.
And by the time they're 30, they want to settle down and give you 1.5 kids.
Now, I don't know about you, but I don't think most men want a chick who's been plowed 25 times before they get to them.
Right?
And then marry that woman, right, for the luxury of having reasonably unhealthy children.
That's why you see such a rise in autism as an aging population of women.
The average childbirth now, 28. 28. You go back just 40 years, right?
Average was about 19, 20. Right.
Right?
That's where we want it to be.
We want it to be in the healthiest years of women for two reasons.
One, the health of the child, way, way better, and the health of the mother.
Women who have babies in their 30s have a really hard time recovering.
Women who have babies in their 20s, have you ever seen that?
Like, they have the baby, and the next day they're back at work.
It's like Mr. Fantastic.
It's just like a hangover.
I tell people, think of it like a hangover.
When I was 20...
And I got really, really, really drunk.
The next day I was at work and didn't even think about it, right?
But when I went and drank too much when I was 30, I called in.
Right.
Right?
Your body just doesn't have that same...
To be fair, I do think there's also sort of a contributing factor there.
Increased diagnoses in autism because everyone is on the spectrum now.
But yes, they both contribute significantly.
So I see that you've identified the problem there.
Are you saying that the solution...
And I know the second one.
But if we go to solution there, is that as a society, we need to stop placing importance on college degrees for women and start placing importance on exemplary women and what kind of...
I'll tell you both solutions.
Okay.
Let me give you the second part.
This is the worst part.
It's localization.
So before the internet, how would you meet people?
Well, you'd meet them at work or at church socials or through friends or things like that.
Local, right?
You weren't really dating 500 miles away because who the hell did you know?
There's nobody in your circuit to even introduce you.
So Bob and Sally from the same town met each other.
Right?
And there really wasn't that many other people.
You know, you selected from what the pool was that was there, and that was it.
Monogamy worked really good for that.
Right?
Everybody basically was able to get and select a partner.
Well, let's fast forward now.
And now we have the problem of mate selection hypergamy, or what's referenced as hypergamy.
It's basically pretty simple.
If you're a woman and you have a superpower, right, which they do, at about the ages of 17, roughly, through 26, 27, Where men will literally, you know, castrate themselves to have sex with them, right?
They will do insane things in order to get in these women's pants because of this overarching kind of biological need to sleep with beautiful women, right?
Well, women within that age range, they're very marketable that way, right?
So when they go and they're like, they get slipping the DMs of a very famous man, for instance, and he's like, hey, I'll fly you out.
Right?
Then they get wooed and he bangs them.
Right?
And then they think that that's the type of men they can get.
As a husband.
As a husband.
Or as a long-term mating partner.
And they can't.
And so now they have trouble making sex selection or making correct sexual selections for themselves because they feel like they're in a league they're not actually in.
Because men will sleep with you when you have that superpower.
It doesn't mean that they'll marry you.
Right.
Right?
So localization.
It's a massive issue.
So what happens when you have 20% of the men who are the ones who are the women, all of the women are mostly going for, right?
Well, that doesn't leave a lot for everybody else.
That's why they're saying men are fucking 10 different, you know, 10 different chicks, 13 different chicks, this type of thing.
And this is why these women ride the cock carousel, and they're not settling down until they're 30, right?
I'll say, just make up your own terms.
There's also something in there, I think, not that you're glossing over it, but it's quite important.
Let's say, I mean, let's just say, for example, like, let's say it's LeBron James.
I'm just saying, like, a famous person, right?
Okay, there is the problem of, okay, now someone thinks that they have LeBron as a husband, right?
That level of status.
But there may be, and I'm just using this as an example.
I'm not talking down.
I'm not talking crap on LeBron They sort of overlook some other facets that hey he may not actually bring the qualities to the table that you want in a husband This may just be a guy who's super famous super rich high status But you take that good and you go.
Oh, yeah, but by the way He's never gotten married and by the way, maybe he has never actually been someone who's valued fidelity Then you have a guy who does but isn't LeBron Well, let me, to give you a little pushback here, let's evaluate it from a different angle.
You at least need to be attracted to the person that you're gonna end up with, right?
If that's the case, that you need to have attraction, well, I mean, like, what other things are you willing to look over so that you can have the thing that, for men especially, visual, right?
Attractiveness.
What else are you willing to gloss over?
Can she be a stupid bitch?
Yeah, maybe she can.
Can she be fucking crazy?
Probably.
The crazy high scale exists for a reason.
Could she kind of be a god-awful person and a fucking embarrassment?
Well, yeah, but she's really hot.
So when it comes to attraction, though, we've missed that aspect for women.
That women are not attracted to that many men.
And so when you say like husband qualities, right?
Oh, sure.
They'll even grant all these qualities.
Like they make spreadsheets and flow sheets for different men who are in their rosters, right?
They'll be like, he would be a great provider.
He'd be this.
He'd be that.
And I'll keep him around until we're in our 30s.
And if there's nobody else around who's good looking, I'll settle with him.
That's fine.
You know what I mean?
He can be that guy.
But what happens when it's an attractive guy who also happens to be a piece of shit?
Well, just like men.
They're probably going to select for the attractive guy.
I'm not disagreeing.
What I'm saying is, so give you an example.
I know a story of a woman who was a side piece to a very successful man.
And he bought her, I believe it was like a Maybach or something.
And then she ended up getting remarried.
They ended up getting divorced.
But they would get into arguments and she would say like, well, you know what?
You don't do an X, Y, Z. And it's like, yeah, but that guy was doing it because you were his side piece and he didn't want his wife to know.
But she was bringing it where this guy was basically fighting a phantom.
Like, yeah, yeah, but this is actually, this is not that.
You're not a side piece.
This is now a marriage.
And so it brings a litany of complications as well where you pick the good and you sort of forget the bad or what was lacking.
And that, yeah, it goes back to the point.
It's just a different way, I guess, of addressing.
They think that this is...
A marriage when in fact it's a fling.
And the threshold is very, very different for men.
It doesn't make it right.
It doesn't mean that it's right for those guys to be sleeping with a bunch of women and destroying them for future marriages.
But that is a reality and women will often willingly destroy themselves.
And it's a problem.
Look at it like an X-Men superpower that almost virtually all women have.
When they're between, like I said, the ages of like 17 through, you know, 26, 27. And then it kind of just goes away once they meet the wall, right?
And the wall always wins.
So they, but through those years, doors magically open for them.
Gifts magically show up, right?
I mean, dinner is just magically paid for.
It's literally a superpower.
But men...
Don't really have this superpower except a few.
So put yourself in that situation.
Think of it objectively from that situation.
You're a very good-looking and successful man who can sleep with whatever beautiful women you want.
Is it really so hard to envision that if you could, like that was just dropped on your lap, wouldn't you use it?
I think the answer most men would be like, yeah.
It's just that we're not really ever presented with that, most of us, right?
It's very few of us who are.
And women, on the other hand, have that superpower for a little while, almost all of them.
And that's why you breed such narcissistic women, right?
Because they can essentially sleep with whatever man they want, whether they get married or not, but men can't do the same, right?
So Brian Atlas, on whatever, he makes his point often.
He says, I would argue that if I can sleep with a woman, she's definitely going to want to date me.
But you can't make the argument back that if you can sleep with a man, he's definitely going to want to date you.
Because a man's going to sleep with you.
Basically, all you've got to do is show up and open your legs, right?
Yes.
But it's not the same case for men.
Sometimes not even that.
Let me ask you, so the solutions.
Yes, solutions.
Are the solutions, okay, as a society, we need to determine what is exemplary, and that is not, right now, the course is go to college, be independent from a man, because you don't want to be trapped, become a working professional.
Establish yourself, right?
So I'm assuming that the solution is the opposite of that.
And then what would be the solution to the next one?
So you start with propaganda.
We've been kind of led to believe that bottom-up propaganda is the way that it needs to be organic.
No, it doesn't.
You need top-down propaganda like you had in World War II.
The same way you got women in the factories with Rosie the Riveter is the same way you get them in the household with Susan the housewife, right?
And that's the propaganda that's everywhere.
The glorification...
Is of Susan the housewife, you know what I mean?
Who has the little thing of cookies, and she's always smiling, and she's always super happy, and her husband's always smiling, you know what I mean?
And you make that the trend everywhere, and you force it down everybody's throat all day long, every day, where it becomes practically ingratiated in them.
That's what you elevate in society.
You don't even have to outlaw anything.
It's not even necessary.
Like, you don't even have to be like, well, you can't, you know, do X behavior.
If you had a glorification program top-down just like you do for government propaganda and warfare, it would work beautifully.
You know, you don't even need to tell women they can't go to college.
You just make the propaganda all about the family unit.
And that's the thing the government's supporting.
That's the thing we're pushing for as a society.
That's the patriotic thing to do.
So basically, exactly how society was before 1960.
Yes.
And you need a good mask, maybe a better mascot, like Smokey the Mama Bear.
Only you can prevent burnt casseroles.
Something like that.
You know, we'll work on it.
Yeah, sure.
We'll sort of, we'll whiteboard it.
And the second one.
the second issue of women who you know find themselves in a position where okay I've slept with this very attractive very wealthy guy and so they're How do you solve that issue?
Do we kill all the rich, attractive men?
This is the more controversial take.
The first one's much more easy to demonstrate and prove because we have 200 years of propaganda from the top down, which shows Philip Morris can definitely get the country to smoke, okay?
We can definitely prove that propaganda works.
And he was homosexual.
Yeah, the second...
Well, it wasn't even Philip Morris.
It was the ad guy.
I mean, he did that for multiple things.
In my mind, he's Jim Carrey, so that's about my knowledge.
But by the way, people will say that that's offensive.
Comment below.
Why you think that what he just said is outlandish and offensive?
Because it is easily verifiable.
That is what we did as a society.
And not just American society.
European society.
You can go back to, for crying out loud, medieval society.
And it worked.
Up until 1961.
And when everybody smoked, nobody was fat.
I just pointed out, when everybody smoked, nobody was fat because it was an appetite suppressant.
Yes.
And by the way, you know, most people who smoke never get lung cancer.
90% plus don't get lung cancer.
They have heart attacks because they're fat.
Thank God we're on Rumble and not on YouTube because that would be fighting.
You advocated tobacco use.
Correct.
It also makes you look really cool.
It does.
It does.
So anyway, yeah, it was a way better society when everybody smoked, trust me.
It was way better.
It was appetite suppressant.
It was a great way to greet your friends.
It was fantastic.
We fucked it all up.
But anyway, the point is, the point is, back to this though, the second can only be belayed with Christian ethics.
So the idea of part of this propaganda that you would want to put out is the idea of virtues for women.
And you can teach virtues for women inside of classrooms, right?
Just like we used to teach virtues for women, same way we used to teach virtues for men.
Here's male virtue, right?
Here's what men are expected in society.
Here's what you're expected to do.
Here's what you're expected not to do.
Well, one big key of female virtue is what?
Chastity.
It's chastity.
So if you're reinforcing chastity, you never get put in the position where you're sleeping with a good-looking guy pre-marriage, right?
So you're ruined.
Right?
But you have to start that young.
That's a way harder thing to get into the mainstream, the idea of virtues.
What are feminine and what are masculine virtues being pushed at a young age?
That's what the entire transgender movement was about, was the abolishment.
Of virtues, masculine and feminine virtues, to blend them into the idea that all of these virtues are simply universalized.
None of them are specific to the sexes.
But here's why they have to be specific to the sexes.
Because if men are promiscuous, it actually does less harm to society than if women are.
I know that that seems, like, unfair, right?
But it's true.
It actually does less damage.
I mean, you're advocating for problems.
No, no, no.
The opposite.
I always want to make that clear.
She says that men should bang bitches and bitches should be virgins.
No, no, no.
Both need to have that as a virtue, right?
But if women aren't chaste...
It creates significantly higher problems than if men aren't chaste.
Well, there's not the problem of paternity.
Yeah, or reproduction, or the problem of the revolting factor.
So the reason men have such a revolting factor when it comes to high body count, very promiscuous women, is because that's how we assured paternity, through chastity.
So paternity tests are a modern invention.
I don't know if people remember this or not.
So how did you know if the kid that the woman was having was yours?
Well, because she was only f***ing you, right?
Right.
That's the only way you could assure paternity.
So if you want to know why men get revolted by high body count women, it's actually ingrained inside of men.
That's how we assure our prodigy and paternity.
Can I ask you a question, though?
And this is one thing, because I agree with everything that you just said.
How much level of pushback, though?
For example, we showed your clip, Nick DiPaolo was on the show.
And Nick DiPaolo's been married for a very long time.
People see him as this, he's one of the roughest comedians that's ever lived.
He's also a family guy.
I don't know if he'll get mad at me because I'm destroying his rep.
He's pretty boring.
He's not a guy on the road snorting coke off a lady's hip bones.
He's a guy who goes back, watches ESPN, calls his lady.
But he said, I don't think a lot of guys...
He's like, when I was young, I don't think a lot of guys want that.
They're not thinking about a woman having...
They want to bang as many broads as possible.
There's a huge contingency of guys out there who are outside of this quote-unquote red pill sphere.
How much pushback do you think you...
What percentage of men do you think would be on board with...
What you're proposing.
Here's the problem, the flaw in his argument.
He's right, right?
That, of course, must benefit for firstly as many women.
Oh, I'm shocked!
Is there a study for this?
They want to go nail a bunch of jobs?
You know?
But here's the counter-argument.
It's really simple.
Most can't.
And that's it.
That's all you need to know.
So ultimately, most men can't do that.
So if you think that most men wouldn't prefer to settle down with a woman and have kids, they would, because most of them are simply not capable of bagging tons of chicks.
They're not even capable of doing it.
But most women are capable of bagging basically as many men as they want.
So it basically disabuse both sexes of this.
Fantasy.
Disabuse men of this fantasy, even though we agree it's immoral, this fantasy of bagging a bunch of broads.
Like, look, that's not likely.
Also, here's why it's not good long-term.
It disabuse women of the notion, hey, this idea that you're going to get white knight, prince charming, multi-millionaire, six-foot-three, six-pack is also not realistic.
But here's the thing, it's like...
Do you remember D.A.R.E., that stupid-ass program in the 90s, D.A.R.E.
to keep kids off drugs?
Did you ever see that?
Oh, I still have never tried an egg.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs.
Don't tell me that shit wasn't effective at keeping kids off drugs.
It was.
Yeah.
It was.
They definitely remembered, right?
Yeah.
Remember because the girl was cute, it was Rachel Lee Cook.
How is that not propaganda?
That was 100% propaganda, right?
And now half of it wasn't even true, right?
It's like, you're going to smoke weed and you're going to be snorting crack, right?
It's like, ah, no, that really wasn't true.
You're going to drink a beer and then you're going to...
It's true for me, but not for me.
The idea for the propaganda, though, that worked was that, you know, a lot of people were like, they had an aversion, not an aversion to drug use.
But what it did was it created a culture where people who did it were considered nefarious.
They were considered like...
You need to be away from me.
You're part of a more nefarious crowd, a bad crowd, and you need to be over there.
Well, that's what reinforcement of virtue really is.
It's saying, this idea of these activities are nefarious, and you need to kind of...
Keep it away from me.
And the same thing would happen with the pushing or promotion of chastity.
It would be the same exact thing.
Oh, you guys are out there having a bunch of promiscuous sex?
That's as nefarious to us as your massive drug abuse, right?
It's the same exact thing.
And it's like, you can't tell me it doesn't work because, man, all I've ever seen is these programs work.
To huge, huge success.
Just for people who take umbrage with the term propaganda, there's always propaganda.
So if you think that the two...
If you mommies with the girl joining the army is not propaganda, then you're only fooling yourself.
Right now, the propaganda has been that women can have it all.
You have all these choices available, and they don't lead to different outcomes as far as the timing.
It's just not true.
So if we're going to have propaganda, and you will, no matter what, I could also just sort of describe it as having an example, having an ideal, then what's best for society?
Well, I was going to say, this goes back to kind of the Christianity.
We flipped these things, and I think they realize that they have to go after that duty that we identified, like having children.
And the Barbie movie, the very beginning of it was them smashing their baby dolls and going into the workforce essentially and saying, I'm going to run away from that.
So it's that underpinning where it's like, you don't value that anymore.
You value a career.
And so all of these choices that you get to make now, don't worry about getting a husband, don't worry about doing this.
All of these choices now lead to that.
The problem that I think we have is how do we convince women?
And look, I use the same argument for homosexuality.
That is not where life is found according to scripture.
That is not where happiness is found in Scripture.
You don't need to convince women.
No, I'm just saying.
The opposite.
Well, I think they're finding out the reality of it now, but pop culture still tells you, go and shake what you have and get what you can.
Go and be on OnlyFans.
Go and do all of these things.
Like, pop culture may take a while to catch up, essentially, to what we're seeing in culture, but we've got to make some big structural changes.
To convince women, women are the most easily indoctrinated, most easily propagandized out of the sexes.
Every single study you look at will tell you this.
They're the most easily...
Influenced, right?
That's why all the marketing and shit is towards women.
Because they buy shit that is insane.
That's because of the pink tax.
Yeah, exactly.
The pink tax.
Yeah, so the thing is...
You should buy a black razor, bitch?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, the idea here, essentially, is...
I mean, he's right, right?
Pink razors, you charge a premium for.
Yeah.
And women will buy it.
Why?
Because it's pink.
It's sparkly.
It's got a glide strip.
But what it really is, is Susan down the road has one.
Yeah.
And if Susan has it, she's pretty awesome.
The other girls like what Susan's doing, so I'm going to do the same thing.
They're the easiest when it comes to propaganda.
Men?
Much, much harder.
And here's what we have to deal with.
Leftist men, they are the ones who benefit from feminism more than anybody else.
The idea for disgusting leftist subhuman men that they can like have sex with multitudes of women.
They love that shit.
They think it's great.
Like, this is fantastic.
Just imagine you're a secular, secular person.
You have no ethical code whatsoever.
You don't have any moral standing.
And you're like, it's an all you can eat.
And we'll tell them it's...
Liberation.
Yes, liberation.
We're liberating you.
I'm on your team, honey.
Now suck my dick, right?
It's not a joke, though, right?
You think a Coomer gremlin like Destiny would ever in a million years if he didn't have, you know, two million dollars in the bank and a bunch of YouTube fame?
Ever fuck any of these chicks?
Yeah, right.
They would literally scrape this shit off their shoe.
They'd walk by.
They wouldn't even give this guy a second glance or a third.
It's not even...
It's really a first, I don't think.
It's not even a matter of charisma.
You can't help what you're attracted to.
Right.
You know what I mean?
You think Warren Southern was helping this guy because of how good-looking he was?
It's like, give me a fucking break with this shit.
Right.
So you think we need men.
Men need to kind of lead the way.
So how do men do that?
Give them a mission.
Well, you're giving kind of these...
It seems like you're just observing what is.
You're saying it, in fact, you'd probably be more on women's side than people would give you credit for.
Like, hey, again, to that argument, that's not where life is found.
You're not going to find happiness there.
This is what it's supposed to be like, and it makes everybody happier.
Trust me, don't sacrifice this gift from God to chase a career that could suck or anything else in life.
It's funny, when you say you're probably more on women's side, it's actually ironically hilarious.
Did you ever see the movie They Live?
Yeah, with the glasses.
Yeah, the glasses.
So he has the glasses, he puts them on, and the billboard said something like, you know, Snapple, and he puts the glasses on, and it says, like, obey, right?
And then, you know, he puts the glasses on, and he looks over here, and it's like, do what we tell you, you know what I mean, this type of thing.
It's like, unironically, I want that society, right?
But the reason I do is because I think liberation has enslaved women.
That sexual liberation has enslaved women and it's enslaved men.
I want to break men out of the chains more than anything.
You know what I mean?
Women will end up initially resisting, but convincing women has not traditionally worked.
I sort of present it sometimes this way to people.
Now, there are always outliers.
You have to say, not all, not all, not all.
Okay.
As a general rule, get rid of the alcoholic father, you know, who comes home and he's mad that you burnt the casserole, you know, and so he locks you, chains you to a loom or something to make you knit him a sweater without a piss break.
All right.
Take those guys out of it, and let's also take the awful bosses out of it, you know, like the boss from a dinosaur sitcom.
Okay.
Let's assume they're both within that sort of bell curve of moderately decent men.
All right?
Who do you believe has your better interests at heart?
The decent husband, not perfect, or even the decent boss?
Because that's your choice.
In other words, if you're going to be yoked to something, you are serving a master, ultimately, with a boss.
That is the relationship.
And so even if you view it as serving a master, if he's the head of the household, who would you rather serve?
The boss or the husband?
Which one cares about you more?
Because it is a binary choice.
Yeah, like I said, convincing women, the reason it hasn't traditionally worked is because when I think of convincing, I think of logic and reason.
If I'm going to convince you, I'm going to use logical arguments, and then I'm going to hope that your reason, right, that you use inductive reasoning to look at the logical argument and you backtrack it, right?
You take it back to its original, wherever its core was, and then you move it forward and go, does that make sense or not?
Well, you can do that with women.
And they'll even agree with you and then dismiss it.
Because you have to think of it from the purview of their sex.
They have raging hormones going on all the time, which makes their brains actually erratic, right?
They often will do things, by their own admission, that don't make any fucking sense because they have these raging hormones going on in their body.
Now, every man right now who's going, well, I'm not sure about this.
Get back to me after your wife's had a period.
You know what I mean?
Like, just stop.
My wife has said it.
My sister has said it.
Just for everybody out there.
Like, she said, I don't know why I'm crying right now, but I am.
I am.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's a common example of it.
But here's what works.
What works is propaganda.
Because if some of the sisterhood moves towards the propaganda, because it's trendy, right?
The rest of them move towards that.
Men don't work that way.
So, men, we can convince with logic and reason and good arguments.
And as long as they're at the top of the hierarchy in the public sector, which they still are, we can enforce this through law.
The idea of law enforcement, though, being the idea of propaganda, not necessarily putting laws against specific behaviors.
You don't even need to do that.
Stigma works better.
Stigma actually works better if you started at a young age than even putting a law in the books.
I remember that in high school.
I remember the girls that slept around were kind of like, oh, those are the sluts.
And that just was what it was for us.
And I don't look at my generation like, you know...
And it was so effective.
It was great slander.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, that's how good the slave...
Like if you slept with a guy, you know, as a girl, like if somebody said that about you, that would ruin your reputation, essentially.
Or Gerald would follow you around in a Cutlass.
I'd be like, so I hear you like to go on dates.
I think that makes some sense because I think ultimately what we're trying to do is fix the problem that we see that is very obvious, that is very corrosive, that can destroy civilizations.
You talked about South Korea having an extinction-level birth rate.
Yeah, so does Japan.
And running that direction very quickly are several...
A dozen other countries, at least.
Probably almost all of them, except for a lot of African countries and South American countries.
Birth rates are probably a little higher than those.
Let me ask you a question.
Let's pretend for a second...
I'm not sure.
You're married, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Let's pretend you're in the dating market.
Your wife will love this.
Okay?
Let's pretend you're in the dating market for a second.
You meet a very fine woman.
You like her a lot.
She's very nice.
Right?
But she holds out on sex.
You know?
It's like your third date.
She's like, you know, I just don't want to rush it.
And she says these words, because I really like you.
I really like you.
And you're like, yeah, okay, that's great.
I know where this is going.
Now, you go on six more dates with her, right?
And she's still not.
She's still like, well, I'm feeling it out because I really like you.
And you're like, well, that makes sense.
You know what I mean?
Virtuous behavior.
I like this.
But you found out the four guys before you, though, she fucked on the first night.
Can I ask you, how would that make you feel that she's making you wait, but let them have sex immediately?
Not good.
Not good.
I wouldn't think I was the choice catch.
I would think I was a placeholder.
Wouldn't you be like, if you really like me, but make me wait, but you didn't really like them and had sex with them right away, then wouldn't my chances of having sex with you actually go up if you didn't like me?
Well, can I ask you the reason for the hypothetical?
Is it because a lot of women who then they reach that point of settling down, it's like they want to start now doing it that right way?
And the kinds of guys who would actually appreciate the genuine virtue know it's a facade.
Well, this is covert feminism.
Faking virtue.
So what's happening now is they're conforming to your idea of a virtuous woman.
Well, a virtuous woman's not a promiscuous woman, right?
They're just not.
That's opposition to virtue.
The reason she likes you so much is because you like virtuous women.
And she ain't one.
So what she's doing is faking virtue.
Yeah.
Say, I'm going to make you wait.
I'm going to do this.
She's trying to fit all the boxes for what you consider virtue to be.
Totally faking virtue, right?
Yeah.
Well, my wife and I had this conversation because neither one of us waited.
We got married later on in life, both first marriage we'd ever had.
I thought he'd be single forever.
He did.
And when I met her, he was like, don't you dare screw this up.
She's amazing.
So we basically said like, look, hey, we've made some mistakes in the past.
We would like not to repeat that.
But we did that kind of mutually.
I think I may have said it first or it came up in a conversation because immediately we were like, we both screwed up.
Let's not do this the wrong way anymore.
Sure.
That's a different scenario.
That's totally fair.
But again, if it were the case, though, that you were like, oh, well, the last three guys you did, you didn't really like them?
And she says, well, no.
And you say, well, then come over here and give me a blowjob.
Wouldn't that actually make more sense?
Like, fundamentally, wouldn't it actually...
Yes, it does, Andrew.
It makes more sense.
Stop it.
No, it makes more sense.
It's like...
But this is what you're running into, right?
With the inconsistency in the idea of virtue.
And it's like, but you know what would fix that?
If she said, well, I'm going to make you wait, because I made every guy wait.
Yeah.
Because I'm still a virgin.
Yeah.
And guess what?
You're going to get, they would, imagine having this gold bar called virginity, right?
He's taking over the local pond and throw it on in.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Into the ocean.
It's like, you took the most valuable thing you have and you gave it away for free.
Yeah.
You know, your biggest bargaining chip, your most leveraging power.
Right.
As opposed to solid gold, most women know they're more like Bitcoin.
Volatile and no one really knows the origin.
Yeah.
Let me ask this.
Did you always know, or I should ask this, Were you always a skilled debater?
Did you always approach it through this?
Like, for me, the Socratic method was something I had to learn after high school.
I was never taught that in school.
Or was it something you had to sort of train yourself up?
Yeah, my dad was really big on talking politics around the dinner table, even when I was a kid.
So I'll give you my impression of my dad.
This is him when I was eight years old.
He would be in his tighty-whities, and he would be in a chair like this, and he would be in front of the television when Clinton would be on, and it would go like this.
You know, the problem, son, is these fucking Democrats are fucking strong, and that fucking bitch needs to be hung for fucking treason, and they're all communists, and they need to fucking die.
What's for dinner, honey?
Right?
And I thought it was hilarious, right?
But, I mean, he would just lose his mind watching.
But what would happen is we were around the dinner table and he would explain.
He would explain his reasons for it.
He'd be like, listen, here's how this works and here's why it works that way.
And so he gave me the most important thing ever, which was he taught me how to think.
So for me, logic is intuitive anyway.
But then you can pick it up and formalize it.
Like any craft, you can become more skilled at it.
But the main thing to focus on is focus on intuitive thinking.
Because intuitive reasoning, every man has a capacity for it.
But once you start focusing on logic itself as being a format in a prism for which to focus thought, you can basically decode the world.
The world right in front of you in just a few minutes.
And when people start talking to you, you start realizing that most of the things that they say don't even make sense.
It's like, dude, what you're saying right now...
Doesn't even make sense.
It's stupid.
I had that moment.
I had two moments.
My dad, I've given this answer many times, and I'm very grateful to my father for it, and I think we need more dads like him, as imperfect as he may be.
Got my first check doing Arthur.
Was 11 or 12 years old.
And he explained to me what taxes were.
And asked me what I thought about the healthcare system.
And asked me if I thought that it was worth X dollars.
And if I answered no, I said, well, why not?
He said, okay, well, what choice do you have?
And just walked me through, these are how taxes work.
And I came home one day because I had a drama teacher who said we should give all of our land back to the Native Americans, the indigenous, as I said, in Montreal.
I said, well, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life.
I asked her if she had heard of scalping.
She said, that's so right-wing.
I went home to my dad.
It was the seventh grade.
I said, Dad, what's right-wing?
He said, who told you that?
Who said that?
I said, well, my drama teacher said, okay, well, let me explain it to you.
And you decide whether or not you are.
And I walked back in the next day and said, yeah, by the way, I'm right wing.
He tried to use it as a pejorative.
He explained it to me.
Now, that being said, I know that you use logic.
That's the fulcrum of all of your debates.
But every now and then, you know that it is fun to just throw down some shark bait.
Yeah.
We're going to show this really quickly.
As seen by this clip with this very unfortunate...
I'm looking at the wrong camera.
As seen by this clip with this very unfortunate-looking lady previously worked as the Junk Muppet from Labyrinth in the infamous Dunkin' Donuts clip.
Nobody's going to listen to you.
You're an aggressive, insecure man.
I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.
We're not taking you seriously.
Well, this is going to go viral and a lot of people are going to take me seriously and all they're going to remember is that I told you that you couldn't put down the Dunkin' Donuts long enough to make an argument.
Now, can you make one or not?
Oh, you know...
This is schoolboy tactics.
By the way, a real man doesn't speak down to a woman the way you do.
I don't care what you think a real man is.
You're not a real man.
You're actually very feminine if you ask me.
I don't care what you think a real man is.
You're a very feminine man.
And nobody cares what you think real men are.
By the way, I love the juxtaposition of your smirk.
And I'm like, that's schoolboy tactics.
Because I just was thinking to Ebenezer, I'm as married as a schoolboy.
Like, nailed it.
So rhetoric defined by Socrates, right?
Anything which is convincing.
Anything.
That's rhetoric.
So when you're debating, there's two different ways to go about it.
The first is pure logic, right?
But people aren't that responsive to just purely logical arguments.
They need to have rhetorical flourish or also rhetoric, which leads into the logic.
Some way to implant it in their brains what it is that you're trying to say.
This is how people communicate, by the way.
People communicate through rhetoric and then intuitive reasoning, not usually through actual logical thinking.
Like step-by-step logical thinking is not how we live our lives.
But rhetoric is very effective.
So what happens is I always have like a match energy rule.
So if somebody wants to go down in the mud, let's go.
Sometimes it's remarkable.
So we've heard me talk about this.
That's exactly what you say.
I was compared to jiu-jitsu.
I had a coach who said, you come at me switch?
I'm going to be switched.
You come at me spicy?
I'm not going to be spicy.
It's that matching intensity.
Yeah, you hit me low, let's go, right?
But if you want to keep it in the realm of just a pure conversation, let's do that.
If you want to have purely logical debate with no ad-homs whatsoever and we're just going about ideas, great.
You know what I mean?
But most people, right, when they begin to lose in a logical sense...
Move immediately into the low blows, right?
And so I learned very early on, well, wait a second, not only can I do this, but I'm way fucking better at it than you are, right?
I'm way better at the low blows than you, so if you want to go there, let's do it.
And so you can make them lose twice, in a sense, right?
They lose their shit, and then they lose on their shit.
So, you know, like, ultimately, you can beat them in two domains.
What happened with that woman was she would refuse to make an argument.
I thought you were going to say she was fat and ugly.
That too.
But she refused to make an argument.
Just refused.
Yeah.
And I was like, look, I just want the argument, you know?
And so she got offended.
For people who don't know, she in that clip, because we didn't show the whole thing where she was like, it must be terrible to be your wife.
Yeah, she started immediately.
You probably got a small pecker.
Yeah, on the whole like as many low blows as possible.
So I was like, well, I mean, you trying to personally attack me is like amazingly funny.
You know what I mean?
Obviously, there's something I can take immediately that is very apparent to everybody, and it's going to hurt you real bad, and it's not going to do anything to me.
You know what I mean?
So, bam, you smack them back.
The other chick, right?
Same thing there.
Can I continue this?
Because we're just about at time, and for those of you who are not Rumble Premium members, click that button right there.
We're going to continue for another, I don't know, half hour here with Andrew Wilson.
You can watch his show, The Crucible, on YouTube.
And hold on, I want to make sure I have your X plugged.
What's your X?
At PaleoChristCon.
Okay, at PaleoChristCon.
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You will be whisked away to the land of Tim Pool, which probably is, there's probably less friction than, you know, he's more prickly, Andrew Wilson.
And by the way, I was just paraphrasing that lady.
He's a tremendous prick.
All right, on with the show.
All right.
Want to repeat what you just said?
No, I do not.
In fact, that was a private conversation.
Just availing the opportunity.
You were talking about the other lady, I believe, on that panel.
Yeah, well, I was just saying that this is an argument you hear from feminists a lot.
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