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Oct. 2, 2024 - Louder with Crowder
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Vance and Walz Face Off: VP Debate Mega Live Stream 2024
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We got a duet.
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Boys in a dress inside of Tim's China World.
But could he still steal that valor in his China World?
No, he never saw combat.
I see those hands clapping loud as thunder.
Those seal flippers flapping I'm on fire.
mixed with no bravado When I think about Tim's China World
I'm fired. Nearby businesses closed.
I could pretend, but really, we would be so f***ed If we'd get Tim's China World
I'm fired.
In love with Chairman Mao Soft and pink just like a sow
Sunlight blinding me off He's bald head, he's trash.
Into his wife's crazy eyes.
When we fight, we win.
I can smell the burning tires.
The tears little shine a world.
There's so much more to see.
He'll ruin everything we are.
Please leave policy at home order is being violated.
In love with communism A Chinese honeymoon A man who wants the left to rule the world And when he gets excited Richard Simmons comes to him Arms flapping, gaping open now country so divided. Oh China Tim he says I just can't wait
to shut your mouth.
There's no guarantee to free speech.
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Bachelor Day, Broadway University.
Isn't that just the best in the world?
Good.
Hello.
Good, I was actually considered.
My father has considered me bachelor that year, just to try to systematize this whole thing.
So he made me a RSVP knight, so I could learn wrestling instead
of much of a baby boomer fan in my own room.
I'm going to be a bachelor.
You're a stranger in my life, that's what I know.
I know, I know.
You're a stranger in my life, I got to follow.
I'm gonna speed it up.
I'm gonna speed it up.
Glad to be with you.
I am nervous.
I am very nervous because I almost feel like JD Vance is too confident tonight.
Too good.
Yes, I think he's a little too confident.
We've seen walls saying, like, ah, I just don't want to disappoint Kamala.
You know, it's that whole kind of self-sympathy thing.
The expectations have been set really low.
So my question to you is, how do you think this goes tonight if it is anything other than an absolute blowout?
Do you think the media will acknowledge that J.D.
Vance is the more skilled debater?
Comment below.
Even if it is a blowout, I don't know that they will.
But it is the VP debate night.
And by the way, none of this happens without you.
We're gearing up for the election livestream of the century.
This November, we do have a promo code VPDEBATE.
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And, you know, without you, there's... Their volume is too loud out there.
I can hear myself on it.
It's pretty loud.
It is pretty loud.
Guys!
Come on, guys!
They're jamming to the song!
We gotta keep it down a little bit in there, huh?
It was so good.
I like how you got louder to say it.
I know.
I know, they have a microphone feed, but hey, let's bring up the drinking game rules really quickly.
I was mid-phrase and I forgot what I was saying.
So you drink tonight anytime Walls doesn't answer a question directly.
Anytime someone mentions Project 2025.
Oh, that'll be fun.
Anytime Walls mentions being a coach or teacher.
Or if he mentions coaches and teachers anyway.
Anytime JD Vance goes into beast mode and we will accept an answer with no out for walls.
That one's kind of subjective but you know what?
We have to make this fun for you and you will finish your drink anytime the moderators gang up on Vance.
They said they wouldn't.
Anytime they run a figurative train on Vance.
Wait.
That is not... What if they run a literal one?
Then... I'll just finish it.
Well, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me with CBS.
Finish your line.
That would cause me to drink.
Oh, Captain Morgan, number two, CEO, how are you, sir?
I'm doing well now.
I have a lot of wine in my glass, though, in preparation for this night.
Wait, hold on, shut up, because you said the most profane things imaginable, which means if you're watching on YouTube tonight, and if at any point you see this... That's not fair.
Head on over to Rumble, because, you know, we're not going to self-censor for YouTube.
Also, it's a live show.
Weekdays, 10 a.m.
Eastern.
If you're tuning in for the first time tonight, we know a lot of you do for these special events.
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And tonight, we will have some Mug Club exclusives.
We also have a 7 plus 1 tonight.
7 plus 1, most likely, October surprises.
We've done our research, and we do have Thomas Finnegan on the ground, as well as Nick DiPaolo playing the role of press secretary tonight.
So a lot to get to.
And right next to me, of course, you can go see him at Bricktown Comedy Club, October 26th, Josh Firestein.
Yes, hello, hello.
Yeah, I'm good.
Shout out to my mom.
She's watching.
Why?
So, well, she likes me.
And you.
She likes you more, actually.
I didn't want to say that, but I said it myself.
No, no, she doesn't.
You're her blood.
No, she is.
You came from her nethers.
I can't prove that.
This took a turn.
This really took a turn.
I'd be concerned if you didn't.
Did I miss anything?
We got it out of the way.
Van Jones is talking.
He's not crying.
That's okay.
That's a good sign.
Well, it's early.
Give him a minute.
We're going to get to our keys to victory here tonight.
What I think J.D.
Vance needs to do, what I think Walls needs to do is lay there like a slug.
It's his only defense.
I've also noticed something.
Have you noticed that for, aw, gee shucks, kind of Roy Rogers nice guy, I don't think there's anyone in modern politics, including Donald Trump, who uses ad hominem more than Walz.
It's the basis of his campaign.
He's weird.
Project 20, he's a communist.
He sleeps, he copulates with couches.
Is it just me?
Like, I don't know any substance as it relates to Tim Walz on this ticket.
We do have to go back to his governorship though, and it's really bad.
It's really bad.
But can you think of anyone who is more ad hominem based, comment, really, than Walls?
And I think the media is going into overdrive to try and make him seem nice.
You know what, Mission Control, can we bring up how many interviews JD Vance has done since the announcement versus Walls?
I meant to ask for that.
I thought it was like 40 or 50.
And Walls has done none by himself.
They need a zero.
They wouldn't upstage Kamala Harris and her answers, and they're like, well, there's this guy in Minnesota.
Right.
It's always the stuff that he repeats that isn't policy.
Like Trump or Vance will repeat stuff like, no tax on tips, or we're not going to have a ban, or whatever.
But his is always like, never policy stuff.
It's always like, mind your business.
Mind your B's and Q's, buddy.
Remember who you're dealing with.
So the rules tonight, each candidate is going to have two minutes to answer, followed by one minute rebuttals.
The mics will be on the entire time, though they reserve the right to shut them off.
The closing statement... Depending on who's speaking.
Yeah, exactly.
And the candidates will be standing, and JD Vance is going to get the closing word because he won the coin toss.
Let me tell you a little bit tonight, after the debacle that was ABC.
CBS.
Ain't much better in here, kid.
We have the news anchor Nora O'Donnell.
She moderated a Democrat debate in 2020.
We have Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan.
And both of these people are actually pretty noted as anti-Trump folks.
I mean, they chastised him, Donald Trump, after the assassination attempts.
I don't know when it sort of ventures into victim blaming, but I would say the victim of an attempted assassination attempt.
Attempted assassination.
That was redundant.
Hit the admonish button.
We've got a lot of that time.
Attempted attempt.
And here's something else, too.
This comes from Media Research Center.
Of course, all of our references are available.
Link in the description, loudwithcrowder.com.
The coverage from CBS for Harris has been 85% positive, and it's been 81% negative toward Donald Trump.
The CBS president and the CEO donated to Biden in 2020, right?
This is Wendy McMahon.
Just to be clear, not to be confused with the wife of Vince McMahon, who is a noted defecator.
I've been watching the docuseries.
Yeah, watch the doc.
And to give you an idea too, here's someone from CBS on 60 Minutes completely, to know who you're dealing with, completely dismissing the Hunter Biden laptop scandal as basically a hoax.
I watch him walk out of a store and he's walking with ice cream.
And the question the media asked him, what kind of ice cream, what flavor ice cream do you have?
And he's in the midst of a scandal.
He's not.
And he's taking... He's not.
Of course he is, Leslie.
No, come on.
Of course he is.
It's the biggest, second biggest scandal.
The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.
They spied on my campaign, Leslie.
There's no real evidence of that.
Of course there is, it's all over the place.
Leslie, they spied on my campaign and they got caught.
He's saying Leslie the way Adam Sandler did to the wedding coordinator.
Fay!
Fay!
So basically, just so everybody knows, Donald Trump is now being accused of not doing the 60 Minutes interview that's going to air next Monday.
Harris is doing it.
He basically uses this interview, the one that we just played, as the reason why.
He's like, these people haven't apologized yet.
Last time I went in there was a hit piece on me and they denied all this stuff, so of course I'm not going to do it.
Don't be fooled.
He never agreed to do it and he basically said he would love to do it if it was fair.
Right.
Here are what I think are the keys to victory tonight.
So before I get to anything else, and it's very similar because of course they're in the shadow of Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, right?
We'll get to foreign policy in a second because neither one of these people have foreign policy experience.
Israel, Iran's going to come up.
I think Vance should knock that out of the park.
Before that, and I would love to get your feedback here, people are saying just stay on the economy.
I don't agree.
Because Walz has refused to do any interviews, because people don't know anything about him yet, and generally speaking, the vice presidential candidates, they're not that consequential.
In this case, they may be.
Donald Trump is older, right?
A lot of people think that Harris is unfit.
She may not serve a whole term because they've seen that kind of precedent for lack of better description with Joe Biden.
How many of you, by the way, think that Joe Biden is going to step down before the election?
We have a betting pool in the office right now.
I think that J.D.
Vance needs to show the world who Tim Walz is.
Okay.
I think that tonight, at some point, this is the only opportunity he has.
The media will not call Walls to the mat on this.
He needs to expose the most radical policies because Walls is so out of touch with the American people.
He needs to ensure that they do not leave this debate with any doubt.
So, what are his most radical policies?
That he made Minnesota a trans-sanctuary state, meaning they can take your children away from you.
Effectively, they can hide their children from you if they want to transition and you don't do it.
He made abortion legal with no exceptions all the way up to and including birth.
That means a full nine months.
Uh, he instituted a hotline during COVID to snitch on your neighbor.
That was a big one.
He had his police actually paintball people to keep them in their houses.
He, uh... What else?
What else?
Oh!
China!
No one has spent more time in China than Walls, by the way.
He printed out Mao's Little Red Book and gave it out as a gift.
This guy, I believe, I don't think that Kamala, I think Kamala Harris is a byproduct of her environment, San Francisco, right, being indoctrinated in higher education, I know that she grew up in an area of Montreal, very liberal, but she doesn't believe anything, that's why she flip-flops so easily.
I think Walz is actually a communist.
Actually, and I don't say that about everybody, Pinko Kami.
It's not Red Dawn.
I think he's an actual communist.
And I think the public needs to know that this man believes in taking your kids away from you and hiding them if you don't transition six, eight, nine-year-olds.
I think the public needs to know that.
I think when they talk about abortion, they say it's an Achilles' heel of the Republicans.
I think you need to flip it back on him and say, but you allow abortions up until the hour before and including birth.
I don't mean that they need to spend a ton of time on it.
But if by the end of this debate the American public, those who have tuned in, do not know the radical nature of Mr. Walz and his wife, I think it's a failure.
They should know, and we'll bring up this montage, that this is Tim Walz.
Like, I have white guy tacos and, like, black... What is that?
Like mayonnaise and tuna?
What are you doing?
Pretty much ground beef and cheese.
That's okay.
You don't have to be racist.
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey has faced heavy criticism for how he handled the unrest following the death of George Floyd.
And as John Crowan reports, the mayor now appears to be shifting some of that blame to Governor Tim Walz.
But we can get out there.
Reach out.
Make the case.
And for one thing, don't ever shy away from our progressive values.
One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
So this pause is what we're going to ask you to do.
It's going to start this Friday at 11.59 and it's social gatherings with other households.
Don't bring other households in.
Don't bring, and this is, I have a big family.
We do a lot of things together.
That's not going to be possible.
Let's go!
Light them up!
Go inside now!
Get inside the house!
This morning, Governor Walz signed a new executive order.
It will protect the rights of Minnesota's LGBTQ plus community to seek and receive gender-affirming health care.
Advocates say that this is a huge step forward for our state.
The idea that you said that you were in war.
Did you misspeak as the campaign has said?
Yeah, I said we were talking about in this case, this was after a school shooting, the ideas of carrying these weapons of war.
And my wife, the English tone, my grammar is not always correct.
Welcome back.
Kamala Harris is running mate.
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has praised China after living and teaching there for a year and visiting China about 30 times.
I happen to be and understand a little about China and lived in China and speak Chinese.
I'm pretty friendly with China.
We can't afford four more years of this.
Minnesota's DFL governor today signed three progressive bills into law that boost health care safeguards in Minnesota.
They're designed to protect those getting abortions and gender care along with a new conversion therapy ban.
In this case, gathered in support of legal protections for people seeking gender-affirming care for themselves or their children.
But the paper Governor Walz signed was an executive order.
We have more refugees per capita than any other state.
That's not just morally a good thing, it's our economic and cultural future.
This beautiful diversity we see out in Worthington when I'm there, you see 50 languages spoken in the school.
And I gotta tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy.
That is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up.
You see what I did there?
That's terrible.
And I know what you're thinking.
He's killing.
Yes!
You see what I did there?
Hey, come on!
I always like it when I point out that it's a punchline.
You know, maybe I could have a silly tie and a spinning little... And a hat that has a propeller.
I know what you're thinking.
Walz is a pussy.
And so his wife wears the pants.
But here's the thing.
His wife, and she's fair game because she's out there speaking publicly.
When you think of radical teachers, there are good teachers out there, but teachers who think of your children as mere putty for them to mold and indoctrinate.
Think of the Walzes.
Mr. Walz's wife is just as crazy.
She's more crazy than him.
But I kinda liked it when she did this.
Turn the page.
You like that?
Okay, so I need you to be with me and practice with me.
What are we gonna do?
We're gonna turn the page!
Oh, pretty good!
Do it again!
We're gonna turn the page!
Yeah, the problem is we're adults.
Ready?
Let's hear it loud and clear like we said.
Mr. Trump, Mr. Vance, please mind your own business!
Maya, what are you doing?
Oh, that was excellent!
I would say those first days, you know, when there were riots, I could smell the burning tires.
That was a very real thing.
And I kept the windows open for as long as I could because I felt like that was such a touchstone of what was happening.
Yankee Doodle burning tire.
Just listen to my teacher voice and then we're going to practice it.
Yeah, but we hate your teacher voice.
School has started!
Bye-bye, Donald Trump!
This is real.
Look at her face.
Look at those eyes, man.
Woah.
52 days and we are turning the page!
52 days and it is bye bye Donald Trump!
That is important to show because if he ever gets close to the Oval Office, it's going
to be a bad time for white women.
Because that woman is going to be seen as volunteering for you as tribute.
Do you see her face?
You ever seen someone with crazy eyes?
I've known three people in my life with crazy eyes.
Three people in my life, and I could name them, and I could tell you when I saw they had crazy eyes.
Comment below.
You know someone with crazy eyes?
Do it, dude.
You know someone with really dumb eyes where the lights aren't on?
You know someone with crazy eyes where it's like, oh, this person has a skin suit in their closet?
Her face is becoming twisted from her craziness.
She's sitting there, she's like, OK, go with, she just can't help herself, and go with me!
It's like a James Wan movie.
I'm your teacher!
She seems like the kind of lady who asks a black lady to touch their hair.
Yes, yes exactly.
Test how water resistant it is.
At least she asks, but it's still kind of weird.
It's still kind of uncomfortable.
I don't understand turning the page though.
Turning the page from the previous administration, like Tim Walz saying that you can't have four more years of this.
You're right!
We do need to turn the page from you!
Well, here's the problem, because not all women are like Tim Walz's wife, just to be clear, so I don't want to be seen as picking on women.
When a man is with a woman like that, okay, a bad man hits her.
We all agree, a bad man.
A good man kills himself.
Those are the only two options.
Or hits himself.
It's either, you know, keep your pin pan strong, or you're swallowing a shotgun with a tow trigger.
Dang, that was a Courtney Love shot if I've ever heard one!
And by the way, of course, share this right there.
You can click like to let people know because of course the YouTube algorithm makes sure that no one sees this.
I hope you're watching on Rumble.
Here are the other keys to victory, I think, for Vance tonight.
Like I said before, especially it's going to go to Donald Trump.
They're going to be talking about Trump and Harris, especially on foreign policy, right?
What he needs to do is parry.
Like I've said, not spend a lot of time on defense.
Get that out of here.
They need to counterattack, hit walls with the results of Kamala and Joe's destructive policies, and the strongest thing they can do is contrast, contrast, contrast.
Contrast inflation.
Contrast employment.
Contrast the economy.
Contrast global affairs, right?
We had eight years of Obama.
We had three years, really, of Donald Trump, and now at this point we've had three and a half, basically, years of Biden.
One of these things is not like the other.
Point to that record.
I don't think Tim Walz is going to want to do that.
That's what I think needs to be done tonight.
You can let me know if you disagree.
And Gerald, what are your keys to victory?
Any hole will do.
Man, I thought there were some real ones coming!
I hate all of you.
And by the way, on the Middle East stuff, obviously we saw Iran launching ballistic missiles into Israel.
One of the things they can point to is the kind of things that Donald Trump has said to, you know, leaders of Iran in the past, leaders in the Middle East, the things that he's accomplished with the Abraham Accords, moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
All of those things happened, and yet the Middle East was not on fire.
Right now it is on fire, absolutely.
Well, that's a good contrast here.
Let's show, actually, it's the clip Biden-Israel, Biden's response to the conflict going on with Israel, Hezbollah, Iran right now.
Again, the contrast is important.
Biden and then Trump.
And then we'll get to the debate.
At my direction, the United States military actively supported the defense of Israel.
And we're still assessing the impact.
But based on what we know now, the attack appears to have been defeated and ineffective.
And this is testament to Israeli military capability and U.S.
military.
I'm also a testament to intensive planning between the United States and Israel to participate and defend against the invasion attack we expected.
Make no mistake, the United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel.
And I've just spent the morning and part of the afternoon in the Situation Room.
You know what's interesting is, you know what they used for the defense?
Yeah, the thing that you basically raked Reagan over the coals for, back in the 80s, right?
Star Wars.
They used a version of that with the Iron Dome.
Well, let's contrast that with Donald Trump.
He issued his press release on Truth Social, or a statement, When I was president, Iran was in total check.
They were starved for cash, fully contained, and desperate to make a deal.
Kamala flooded them with American cash.
And ever since, they've been exporting terror all over.
And unraveling the Middle East, which is correct, because I don't know if you know this, but Donald Trump's sanctions cost Iran $1 trillion.
He pulled out of the Iran deal, which of course was started by Barack Obama.
People like Trump said it was a horrible deal.
And then of course, the Harris, I was about to say Harris-Trump, the Harris-Biden administration, you know, they basically removed some of those sanctions, allowing them access to $10 billion in cash.
And there's a good chance that the money that's being used for these rockets right now is coming from you, the American taxpayer.
So, might be something to consider.
Oops.
Meanwhile, KJP said they didn't lift any sanctions.
That's right.
She did say that.
All right.
Are we about to go?
Yep.
All right.
We have blue and purple drinking game rules.
We'll bring them up.
And by the way, of course, today, live fact-checking as we do every debate night.
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Republican Senator J.D.
Vance of Ohio.
Now, this is likely the final debate of this election cycle.
You know these two were competing before on air.
Like, who's going to have the better pose?
That is a pose over there on the left.
Either a pose or a skull.
Nice jacket, Leslie.
It makes your chin look fat.
They are just, you can just tell they don't like each other.
Really a turtleneck with that neck?
Pink again.
Next time you do Botox on your forehead, don't forget the skin under your chin.
By the way, we'll go to this later, but a huge crowd of supporters for Donald Trump
has gathered outside of the CBS studio in New York.
Oh, that's fun.
With flags and everything everywhere, so good on you, New York.
All right, let's bring up drinking game rules.
Here they go.
Bring up the debate.
It is anytime Walz doesn't directly answer a question, you drink.
Anytime someone mentions Project 2025, you drink.
Anytime Walz mentions coach or teacher, drink.
Anytime JD Vance proverbially sexually accosts Walz, you drink.
Beast mode.
When you finish your drink, anytime the moderators gang up on Vance.
Here we go!
And have a drink to start.
Okay.
And I look always surprised.
We have pig feet us.
I'm sorry.
We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you and I look always surprised the
candidates Minnesota's Democratic governor Tim Walz and Ohio's
Republican senator. We have pig G. I'm sorry. Mr. Walls meeting for the first time
I'm Margaret Brennan I'm waiting.
These are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to.
Questions will be directed at one candidate who will have two minutes to respond.
The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.
The lady on the left of the screen in the blue hates the lady in the pink.
I guarantee it.
I don't know why.
They're going to be on their best behavior because of what happened with ABC.
of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules
and provide the candidates with the opportunity to factor in claims to be cited.
They're going to be on their best behavior because of what happened with ABC.
They really have to be skilled in hiding their bias, but we know they have it.
We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaign.
And no one, I repeat no one, will have Bluetooth earrings.
Let's get started.
Tonight our country is facing several unsolving crises.
The Middle East is on the brink of war.
Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene.
And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.
We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.
Margaret.
Thank you, Nora.
Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S.
and Israeli defensive action.
President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S.
military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.
Iran is weakened.
But the U.S.
still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.
It is down now to one or two weeks' time.
Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?
You have two minutes.
Well thank you, and thank you for those joining at home tonight.
Let's keep in mind where this started.
October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.
Getting its hostages back, fundamental.
And ending the humanitarian crisis.
Hear that?
That's the sound of them losing Hamtramck, Dearborn, and a lot of Minnesota.
But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.
You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.
But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.
It's clear and the world saw it on that day.
Add to the drinking game anytime he uses fundamental.
That's his word whisker when he's nervous.
This is a layout for Vance.
is not what we need in this moment.
But it's not just that.
It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the
world is this dangerous.
His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was the most flawed human being on earth.
What?
$6 billion?
advisors what said he should be nowhere six billion pounds now the person
closest to them no allow them access to 10 billion in funds in 2023 Donald
Trump said he's unfit for the highest office that was senator Vance what
we've seen out of vice president Harris is we've seen steady leadership we've
seen a calm also peace You see Vance's face?
He knows he's got it.
the room. You see Vance's face, he knows he's got it. You mean your coalition with Iran?
There's never been a greater coalition with terror than the Obama slash Biden extension with Iran.
Iran. It's not even close. Your time is up. Senator Vance, the same question.
Would you sit down or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You have two minutes.
So, Morgan, I want to answer the question.
First of all, thanks, Governor.
Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.
And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice-presidential debate.
I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
I was raised in a working-class family.
My mother required food assistance for periods of her life.
My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.
And she raised me because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.
He's doing this because he knows that Walls is going to try and say he went to Yale.
He's cutting him off.
He's going to go to a direct answer.
I bet my life on it.
Watch.
He's going to get specific on Iran.
He's cutting Walls off the knees.
This is smart.
worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.
I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better
leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American
dream is going to be attainable once again.
Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor
Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered
stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.
People were afraid of stepping out of line.
Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
What do they use that money for?
They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well.
Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.
Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
Thank you, Senator.
Governor Balls, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.
We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.
Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.
So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon.
According to Al Jazeera, Donald Trump's sanctions cost Iran $1 trillion.
Bring it up.
Fact check false, Tim.
else. Tim Walz. What?
What?
He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.
Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.
Both Iranian attacks were repelled.
Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.
Senator Vance, the U.S.
did make a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal.
He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S.
must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.
Did he make a mistake?
You have one minute.
Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.
You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been, and Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.
Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?
And the answer is your running mate, not mine.
Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
Now we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.
But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
Donald Trump has already done it once before.
Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?
The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.
Drink, beast mode, JD Vance, beast mode.
Bring up the drinking game rules one more time, you can play along with us.
More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.
Bring up the drinking game rules one more time, you can play along with us.
More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.
Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger.
Walls is going to answer, include climate change.
J.D.
Vance is going to put it on poor leadership.
That's how this is going to go.
That's the gang up drink.
seven in ten Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45
favor the US taking steps to try and reduce climate change.
That's the gang up drink. That's a bias by gang up.
I'll give you two minutes. Sure so first of all let's start with the hurricane
because it's an unbelievable unspeakable human tragedy.
I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.
And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible.
and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.
I mean, these are communities that I love.
Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.
They need their government to do their job.
And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens
of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.
Now, Norah, you asked about climate change.
I think this is a very important issue.
Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.
I think it's important for us, first of all, to say, Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.
Well, let's just say that's true.
Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.
Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?
The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.
And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.
He's trying to drag Walls to China because he knows that Walls is like this with China.
He may be the best debater we've seen in the last two decades.
Look at all the joy on his face.
It's a joy.
When he panics, he gets pinker.
and unfortunately Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
Governor Walz. Look at all the joy on his face.
So joy. All those things are happening. Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with
this hurricane and my heart goes out to the folks that are down there. When he panics
he gets pinker. Are in contact with the governors. I serve as. He's nervous.
Oh, Vance, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
Listen to Maui, you're East Palestine.
Have him on your watch tomorrow.
I told you, he has to go to climate change.
What did I tell you?
Vance is going to go to leadership?
He's going to go to climate change.
responders on the ground. Those happen on the front end.
The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there too, that we recover.
But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure they're staying there,
staying focused.
Now look, coming on your watch, there's no doubt this told you he's going to
climate. He has to go to climate change stronger than any.
What did I tell you?
Vance is gonna go to leadership. He's gonna go to climate change. Vance did
it in a roundabout way. That was even more clever than I thought. And then
these things would make more Beachmont property to be able to invest in.
What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris
administration, is we've seen this investment. We've seen massive
investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the
Inflation Reduction Act, has created jobs all across the country. 2,000 in
Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making
it here. 200,000 jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in
North America, sets in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real.
They've seen 500-year droughts, 500-year floods back-to-back.
But what they're doing is adapting and this has allowed them to tell me...
Hey, American public, people in Carolina right now...
Guess how you know they don't care about you?
They're talking about electric vehicles.
When you're fighting for your life.
Is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.
Reducing our impact is absolutely critical.
But this is not a false choice.
You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the
country.
That's exactly what this administration has done.
We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.
And that's what absolutely makes sense.
And then we start thinking about.
The direct, by the way, emission control, the direct push to EVs has emboldened China.
They create more EVs.
I believe they're number two in the world outside of Tesla, like number two through seven.
People don't realize that here.
Not to mention the mining for the batteries.
What the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.
So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.
If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.
Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon, because when we
talk about clean energy, I think that's a slogan that often...
the Democrats will use here. I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real issue
is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer
money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy
dirtier. We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.
Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components
that go into those solar panels. So if you really want to make the environment cleaner,
you've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think,
one in the past 40 years. Natural gas, we got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the
opposite. That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate.
Senator, your time is up. Governor, would you like to respond?
Well, look, we're producing more natural gas.
Come on, man.
There's no moratorium on that.
We're producing more oil.
But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks.
These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks.
These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year.
They understand that it makes sense.
Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms.
We saw it in Minnesota this summer.
That's a lining practice.
So those affected by the hurricane, don't worry.
There are more electric Chinese vehicles coming your way.
That'll fix the next one.
Yeah, by the way, BYD number one by a long shot, more than Tesla.
BYD number one, Tesla number two.
There you go.
But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.
We can be smarter about that and an all-above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here.
Governor, your time is up.
The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.
Wall fact check.
Up.
Drink.
Gang up to the moderators.
They put in a last word to try and save walls.
Did you see that?
... consistently ranks as one of the top issue for American voters.
Immigration.
Senator Vance.
Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history, and to use the U.S.
military to do so.
Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?
For example, would you deport So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
Let's start with the criminals who are here who have been apprehended.
Let's deport them first.
He's going to do that.
Watch.
So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.
We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted
to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.
Ninety-four executive orders suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively
increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.
That has opened the floodgates.
And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.
So you've got to stop the bleeding.
You've got to re-implement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations.
And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do?
So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country.
What do we do with them?
I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants.
About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.
We're kindred spirits.
You are.
I think you start with deportations on those folks.
It's like he's reading my notes.
And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers.
A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.
And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.
And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.
Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.
Some of them have been sex trafficked.
Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families.
Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.
The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately, Kamala Harris's wide-open southern border.
And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.
Real leadership would be saying, you know what?
I screwed up.
We're gonna go back to Donald Trump's border policies.
I wish that she would do that.
It would be good for all of us.
Governor, do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the
vice president is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules?
Finish.
Did he just say the drug mule is not true?
Holy shit, talk to a border patrol agent.
What are the results?
Drug deals not true.
The good news on this is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths
in our nation's history.
30% decrease in Ohio.
But there's still more work to do.
But let's go back to this on immigration.
Kamala Harris was the attorney general of the largest state in a border state in California.
She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking
and drug interventions.
But look, we all want to solve this.
What are the results?
Most of us want to solve this.
She was a lawyer.
I mean, she failed all of them.
No, you didn't.
No, you didn't.
That's the Border Patrol agents.
That's the Chamber of Commerce.
That's most Americans out here.
That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.
It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma.
for a while.
I know him, he's super conservative, but he's a man of principle, wants to get it done.
Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation.
The Border Patrol said, this is what we need in here.
These are the experts.
And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said, pass this thing.
Kamala Harris helped get there.
1,500 new border agents.
Detection for drugs.
That's more than 5 million conspirators.
5,000 people a day.
Normalized.
5,000 people a day.
11 million just to the southern border.
Last time I checked, it's 12.
Just under the Harris-Biden administration.
If you actually include all illegal immigration, it's close to 20 million.
What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?
And they need to be done.
Just undo your undoing through executive order.
Just do this through the executive branch.
So look, we have the options to do this.
Donald Trump had four years.
He had four years to do this.
And he promised to America how easy it would be.
Trump had 3 million total.
18 million Kamala Harris.
There you go.
Less than 2% of that wall got built and Mexico didn't pay a dime.
But here we are again.
But you said a wall was racist.
Dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do.
As far as the deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said he was someone who would be laughable.
That's a real show sign.
2016. He doesn't realize that the American people believe that we need to close our borders.
That's an overwhelmingly popular opinion.
He doesn't get to respond?
Do you want to hit him back with a parent thing?
We already have massive child separations. Thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of
inviting drug mules I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate
freely in this country and we know that they use Yeah! Holy crap!
He doesn't know he's in split screen.
He's like, that's true.
Did he just nod in agreement?
He did!
Guys, clip that, we have it ready to pull.
Close it.
Get him out of it too!
Guys clip that we have it ready to pull.
She was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. She did exactly that.
We had a record number of illegal crossings.
We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and
care a lot about a piece of legislation.
Guys the media is going to get really aggressive and dirty because Vance is doing unbelievably well.
And you've seen me say when Donald Trump didn't beat Biden that second debate.
You've seen me say when the Kamala Harris debate didn't go so well.
This is a walk-off.
Thus far.
He's too fluid.
He's too good on his feet.
that opened the border. This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will not.
He's too fluid. He's too good on his feet.
Senator, your time is up. Governor, what about our CBS News?
We'll see.
What did I tell you?
He's pissed.
show that a majority of Americans more than 50% support mass deportations.
What?
We fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary but the issue on this is this is what happens
when you don't want to solve it.
You demonize it.
And we saw this and Senator Vance and it surprises me on this.
Oh, I'm such a liar.
Oh, he wants to go to Haiti.
And then accuse Vance of bringing up stories.
No, no, the Ohio governor said that every single bomb threat, I believe it was 33, all 33 were hoaxes from foreign entities.
Every single one.
And then accuse Vance of bringing up stories.
The Republican governor said it's not true, don't do it.
There's consequences for this, there's consequences.
We could go to jail for this.
No, no, the Ohio governor said that every single bomb threat, I believe it was 33, all
33 were hoaxes from foreign entities.
Every single one.
Let's bring up the fact check on that.
3 million to 18 million, dummy.
3 million crossing to 18 million, dummy.
to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with
Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking
point. Three million to 18 million, dummy. Three million crossing to 18 million, dummy.
Answer. Other human beings. Tim. Governor, your time is up.
Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.
No.
The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.
So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would— She's reiterating a Tim Walz point.
Finish your drink, I need a refill.
Me too.
Refills!
Do you disagree?
That Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want.
93 executive actions.
You have one minute.
Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job.
I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.
Kamala Harris has been.
And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.
Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.
You've got to go back through proper channels.
Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield.
And he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.
Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.
You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.
You've got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.
The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
It is a disgrace to him.
You're witnessing the future presidential candidate win, win, lose, or draw this election.
DeSantis is going to have his hands full if he has to primary this guy.
It is law enforcement that asked for the bill.
They helped craft it.
No, they asked for a bill.
Then you tacked on $70 billion for Ukraine, or $60 billion, you can let me know.
I don't remember the final number.
60 billion in Ukraine, 14.1 for Israel, and like 7 billion for some other conflicts around
the world.
We can talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them
less affordable, but it becomes a blame.
Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate.
I agree.
It should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done.
This bill gets it done in 90 days.
Then you start to make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles.
No wall.
I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25-40 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.
I think that's true of most Americans.
They simply want order to it.
This bill does it.
It's funded.
It's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.
It was a horrific bill.
We broke it down.
Go check the video out.
Hold on.
That same cut there.
Hold on.
No, no, no.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
You don't get to get the last word in, pig bitch!
does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected
status.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Thank you.
Senator, we have so much to get to.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
You don't get to get the last word in, pig bitch.
Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.
And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going
So there's an application called the CBP1 app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wall.
That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.
That is the facilitation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.
Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
Thank you for describing our legal process.
CBS is just as bad as ABC tonight.
That's the one thing I was wrong about.
They'd be in their best behavior.
They can't help themselves.
Drink.
What a bitch.
Yeah, finish your drink.
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
We have so much we want to get to.
Wish we could do the same for your lapel mic.
We have to throw our little jabs in and then move on.
The economy is a top concern for voters.
She wants to oust Miss Pink, so she's acting professional.
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.
Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.
The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by 1.2 trillion dollars.
By the way, that's the school Kamala Harris referenced as though they supported her.
Governor, I'll give you two minutes.
Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from.
We both grew up in that.
We understand.
So those of you out there listening You're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth, and it's good.
It's healthy.
That's what this is supposed to happen.
You should be listening.
How is this going to impact me?
The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing
issue.
The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down
payment assistance.
Section 8!
A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.
It's foundational to where you're at.
And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs
or other things, that there's fairness in that.
Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it costs $5 to make insulin.
They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.
As far as the housing goes, I said in Minnesota, 12% more housing than Minneapolis.
They claimed credit for it.
They expanded it.
It's working.
And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.
$6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third.
We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families.
And then getting businesses off the ground.
The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to $50,000.
800 businesses closed down to have a return because of his policy during COVID.
10,500.
10,500.
I'm sorry.
Fact check me.
Good for you.
Good for you.
He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top cast.
What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.
Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.
You didn't say ask.
including businesses, it would be destabilizing it, it would increase
inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look, this is simple for you.
Where are we going? Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do,
we'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. Define it! You didn't say ask.
Our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks have the
things that they need. Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that
But similarly, the Wharton score has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.
My question is the same for you.
How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.
Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago, and the fact that she isn't.
second economic plan doesn't make sense.
I say look at the record.
He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.
Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, but if you look at
what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax
Is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take home pay to middle class and working class Americans.
It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.
That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.
I know a lot of you are struggling.
I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.
It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.
Governor, do you want to respond to that?
What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class?
What?
Yeah, well how many of us just day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to
the collapse of our economy?
We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work,
largest percentage since the Great Depression.
9 million jobs closed on that.
That was day one.
Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved 90% of the way to about X
percent.
How many of us just day one were Donald Trump's failure on COVID?
We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work,
10,500 businesses closed, never to open up.
The kind of economic disaster that took place in your state was worse than the rest of the country.
Because if Donald Trump had done what your party wanted, the entire country would have looked like your state, prick.
If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.
And the same thing goes with this.
And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, and Donald Trump hasn't paid any of those taxes in the last 15 years, and the last year as president?
That's what's wrong with the system.
There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.
We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want.
You have a minute.
Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we
shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.
They lied about that.
They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere,
it would make the middle class stronger.
They were wrong about that.
They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive
in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say
to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
We're bringing American manufacturing back.
We're unleashing American energy.
We're going to make more of our own stuff.
Guess who may have just shored up Pennsylvania.
This isn't just an economic issue.
I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love
them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now.
But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us.
This has to stop.
And we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.
We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.
Senator, you're tying it up.
Governor Walz, can you address that?
I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy.
Walz looks really twitchy and very pink.
If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.
Look.
His face looks like a newborn baby's butt after they spank it for the first breath.
But I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn.
We need to have fair trading partners.
That's something that we believe in.
How do you feel about tariffs?
I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
So the rhetoric is good.
Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.
I watched it happen too.
I watched it in my communities and we talked about that.
But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain.
We had right-to-work states made it more difficult.
Oh, he's trying to get the unions right now.
Look at his face!
Clip that!
Clip this!
Clip this face, guys!
We're going to go back to it.
The face!
It's crazy.
It looks like a four-year-old.
Don't lie.
I believe Donald Trump had 450,000 more?
Yes.
I believe it was 450,000.
It looks like a four-year-old caught in a lie.
The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.
Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA.
You believe Donald Trump had 450,000 more?
Yes.
I believe it was 450,000.
Mission Control, let me know.
If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has
to listen to the experts.
And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't
do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.
So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got it.
You've got a tough job here.
Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries,
and housing unaffordable for American citizens.
I was raised by a woman who sometimes goes into medical debt
so that she can throw food on the table in our household.
I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.
We can do so much better.
To all of you watching, we can get back to the narrative that's a foreign game.
Beast mode, drink, for those who are new, drinking game rules.
Drink anytime Walz doesn't answer a question directly.
Someone mentions product 2025, Walz mentions coach or teacher,
JD Vance goes beast mode, or anytime the gang on Vance.
Senator, Governor, thank you. Margaret?
We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics.
But right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.
The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions.
Or in the case of Biden, the last voice he hears before pillows over his face.
Governor Walz.
You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989.
Okay, hold on a second.
To be fair, he was in Nebraska, but he was in Tiananmen Square, Nebraska.
You actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.
They just said it.
Can you explain that discrepancy?
Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400.
My grammar's bad.
I thought I was in China.
And I'm proud of that service.
I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill.
To become a teacher.
Passion about it.
A young teacher.
My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.
35 years ago to be able to do that.
I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.
We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.
The issue for that was to try and learn.
Now look, my community knows who I am.
They saw where I was at.
I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.
I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.
And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.
Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.
And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things like farm bills
that we got done, working on veterans benefits.
And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice.
So look, my commitment has been from the beginning.
To make sure that I get this right.
More than anything.
Many times I will talk a lot, I will get caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.
I hear the critiques of this.
I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
I guarantee you he wouldn't be He does business internationally, you moron.
You printed Miles' little red book and gave it out as a gift, dummy!
And you weren't in Tiananmen Square!
It's a big deal!
It's about trying to do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.
My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier, drinking game rules, bring it up so I don't have to look at his pink fetus face.
He did not answer.
Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?
All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so I just... Again?
That's what I've said.
I went to New York City in November of 2001.
I never made the mistake of saying I was there for 9-11.
Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in.
I went to New York City in November of 2001.
I never made the mistake of saying I was there for 9-11.
Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office
and you said he could be America's Hitler.
I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments
and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.
If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?
You have two minutes.
And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the President, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.
But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.
Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.
And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something I thought he was there.
and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews, is because I think
it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues
and what changed.
Now, you pointed out the messages from 2020.
Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we
could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its
better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job.
job.
I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just
I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just
a high-class debating society.
a high-class debating society.
It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.
It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.
It's a forum to govern.
It's a forum to govern.
So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, I think there were a lot of things that we could have done
So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that
we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had
been a little bit better about how they govern the country.
They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.
I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused
this of being a national sales tax.
Look, the one thing—and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but
the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American
manufacturing jobs.
And it's the one issue Trump created 414,000 manufacturing jobs.
It's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Think about this.
If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.
Every time another piece of evidence comes in.
Right, that guy?
Nora, thank you.
Wall's head is moving like I do with a sock puppet when I do a show for my kids.
414,000 jobs for Trump for manufacturing, only 173,000 by Harris.
kids. 414,000 jobs for Trump for manufacturing only 173,000 by Harris. 592 were returning from COVID. There you go.
You believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
Yes or no?
Is that what you support?
I'll give you two minutes.
That's not what the bill says.
They gave him out by asking support.
This issue is what's on everyone's mind.
He needs to pin it down on the mat and not let him out.
Donald Trump put this all into motion.
Where is it?
He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe versus Wade.
52 years of personal economy.
The question was nine months.
That's your state.
And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.
It's a beautiful thing.
Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing.
A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks.
She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
She needs to go in.
The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor.
And that would have been an abortion.
But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.
She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.
Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather.
Less than 1% of all abortions are medically necessary or due to rape or incest.
Less than 0.5% new study, just a new poll confirmed again.
The question is about the rest of them.
All of them.
We made sure that we put women in charge of their health care.
But look, This is not where- if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.
They're Project 2025.
It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate, access to infertility.
Here's how I know that's horse shit.
Hobby Lobby provided 16 out of 21 forms of birth control because they're a more Christian company and you still claimed it a travesty of human rights.
He also said IVF without saying it.
He's gonna say slavery.
Yes, he is.
That's exactly how it works.
this is, is well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.
He's going to say slavery.
That's not how this works.
This is basic human rights.
That's exactly how it works.
We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in
the world.
This is about health care.
In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason.
We trust women.
We trust doctors.
Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?
Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?
No, Nora, certainly we won't.
And I want to talk about this issue.
He gives an answer and then substantiates it.
A lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.
And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.
And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.
And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that
abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.
And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect
innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my
party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust
back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.
I want us as a Republican Party...
to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.
I want us to support fertility treatments.
I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home
so they can afford a place to raise that family.
And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front
just to give women more options.
Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country and it's diverse.
And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.
Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.
Let the individual states make their abortion policies.
She's headed.
And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.
Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?
Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.
Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's a diverse state.
There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.
She happened to be in Georgia, a restricted state.
Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
Showed up late.
She showed up late for an appointment so they gave her the pill instead of the procedure she was scheduled for.
Same pill they give to everybody.
The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?
There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.
If she was on time for her appointment.
Same abortion pill in Minnesota as it is in Georgia.
Georgia.
You hear me talk about it?
You hear us talking exactly the same.
Or Carolina.
Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.
I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.
His running mate, though, does not.
And that's the problem.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator, let me ask you about that.
He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.
In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.
In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric, pro-abortion-free language in the entire world.
Is that radical now?
I'm sorry, is a ban on abortion after four months radical?
My question is... Is it just me or is that entirely sensible?
That would be in line with Europe.
Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
It would be in line with most of the rest of the modern world, just to be clear.
We're the most radical of all developed nations on this.
For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level.
I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.
But Nora, you know one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum.
in 2023 and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.
And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job
at winning back people's trust.
So many young women would love to have families.
So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy
their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.
And we have got to earn people's trust back.
And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making childcare
making fertility treatments more accessible because we've got to do a
better job at that and that's what real leadership is.
Minnesota, one of nine states with no limit on abortion.
I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that. No we're not. We're pro-women.
We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.
Are you pro-freedom for cars?
Are you pro-freedom for school choice?
Women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may be...
He's chopping off all the penis.
unbeknownst to them.
And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's
a state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.
We understand that too.
We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.
We also make it for a top three state for the best place to Bars low.
Should those women have the choice to go to work during COVID, or keep their business open during COVID, or what school to send their kids to during COVID?
or you guys are pro-abortion.
That's not the case at all.
We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices.
And we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable,
a $6,000 child tax credit.
But we're not going to base that on the fact of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles
to try and get help.
Senator, I agree with you.
First of all, Governor, I agree with you.
Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive,
and I certainly wish that she was.
And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.
That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.
And that's why I use that word more, is because some of what we've seen...
Do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?
Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.
We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience
and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family.
But please.
Yes, Governor, please respond.
Look, this is one where there's always something there.
This is a very simple proposition.
These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions.
You said it's not true!
They gave you the floor to correct it!
...who know best when they need to do this.
Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.
What was I wrong about, Governor?
Please tell me, what was I wrong about?
That is not the way the law is written.
Educate me.
I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.
But the point on this is, is there's a continuation... Oh, that was one of the false fact-checks, by the way, where they said no abortions are being performed late-term in this country.
By the way, it's 10 to 15,000 a year, every single year.
And yes, the law does read like that law did in Illinois, that Barack Obama voted against amending with the Infant Born Alive Act, or Infants Born Alive Act, I don't want to miss that.
I asked a specific question, Governor.
You gave me a slogan as a response.
It's not the case.
It's not true.
That's not what the law says.
babies who survived abortions as babies who were willingly delivered.
It is not law in Minnesota.
They are not required to provide that life-saving care for a baby if they survive an abortion.
That's a fact.
When you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.
She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
I asked a specific question, Governor.
You gave me a slogan as a response.
It's not the case.
It's not true.
That's not what the law says.
So, you fact-checked it with President Trump.
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.
We have to move on.
Ben, let him speak, and then just a smile.
He just office-gymmed him.
Yeah, that was the prosecutor of the Dahmer case.
That was pretty epic.
We're not going anywhere, guys.
Stay with us.
Yeah, stay with us.
Do we have the half-game report here with the fact-checks?
So, I've hit a lot of those fact-checks.
So, most European countries have 12-week abortion bans.
There's some that have up to, I think, 24.
Just the UK, yeah.
12 weeks.
And J.D.
and Vance said he supported a ban after 14 weeks?
15.
I believe it was 14.
It was 15.
Yeah, that's right.
It was 15.
Somewhere around there.
It was 15.
Exactly.
Good memory, yes.
So a couple of fact checks on the trade deficit that Trump created, kind of air quotes, was $418 billion in 2018.
He started the trade war in the Q3 of 2018.
By the next year, it was reduced by 22.2%.
So they try to cherry pick data.
Just like the manufacturing jobs, Trump created 414,000.
They've only created 173,000 new ones.
592 are bounce back that were lost because of COVID when you shut down factories.
Those don't count for you coming in and flipping on the light switch.
It doesn't count as a new job created.
Uh, so there there's that.
And then there was a couple of others that I will go to the Minnesota law.
Make sure you guys bring it up because that's obviously very clear that, yeah, they are not required to.
First off, just to make it clear, Walls did not answer on there are no limitations on abortion up until and including birth nine months.
That's absolutely true.
Everyone knows that.
What J.D.
Vance brought up was the fact is they actually wouldn't be required to provide that kind of care to babies who survived abortions, which is also true.
Because the reason he's bringing that up is because that's been required by law because, in fact, it was happening in states like Minnesota, in states like Illinois, in states like Virginia, where babies were surviving abortions and doctors were saying, well, I've done my part, and the babies were not given the same kind of health care as a baby who was delivered.
Once they're born, we all thought, hey, at least now you have to take care of them.
They didn't do that in Illinois.
They didn't do that in Minnesota.
That's the reason for people proposing putting that expressly in writing.
Yes, Gerald.
So the bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken
to preserve the life and health of born alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for
care, which the bill's author, Representative Tina Leibling, has described as mere comfort
care.
So the bill's author says instead of a requirement, this is crazy, to preserve the life and health
of a born alive child who survives an abortion, instead we replace it with comfort care.
The bill's author...
The only way this has a happy ending that doesn't make me mad is if that bitch turned
into a pillar of salt.
Bye.
They went from life-saving care to hospice?
That's what they're arguing?
The technicality?
By the way, this is what CNN talked about all day today and yesterday about how they were worried that because he's a lawyer and he's well-read and he's well-spoken and he I mean he's a Yale law graduate that they were worried that Walls was gonna have a hard time and right there was a great example of how Let me go to a law and then go ahead and disprove it because you think I'm going to misconstrue a law?
I don't think I will.
And by the way, he's an actual outsider.
When people say, oh, this person's outside of the D.C.
Beltway, outside of the swamp, that's what Vance actually is.
That's what people said.
Oh, he's basically a junior senator from Ohio.
Look, are the political consultants, is the consultant class, are you listening?
Because this is the first time where we've seen someone actually go back, rewind the tape, I laid out the strategy, he's following it to the letter.
I know this because we know that all these people who surround these candidates, they always tell them to play it safe.
He's taking ownership of his mistakes, he's talking directly to the people, he's parrying, he's not going on defense, and he's contrasting with the record.
Now it's not easy to do because consultants and advisors have to have the raw material to work with.
JD Vance is quick on his feet.
Do you notice that he always answers exactly what is given to him.
It's like Bruce Lee said, be water, my friend.
You become the glass, right?
Even though Bruce Lee couldn't fight at all.
But the point is, he's answering.
He's answering and he's using this.
He really is jujitsuing it back on Tim Walz.
He's able, yeah.
No bait taken.
No bait taken.
He's been very, very congenial about it.
But let's bring up the drinking game rules again really quickly for people who are tuning in right now.
Anytime Walz does not directly answer a question in your drink, anytime someone mentions Project 2025 drink, anytime Walz mentions coach or teacher drink, anytime JD Vance goes beast mode drink, that's been a lot tonight, finish your drink, anytime the moderator's getting up on Vance, and we've also added anytime Walz uses the word fundamentally.
I fundamentally disagree with that decision.
I want to say, you said he's been quick to the answer every time.
He was like that on every answer except for the first one, which I think that you misunderstood what I said, but he was doing a combo thing.
I think he was doing it.
Yeah.
Like on purpose, like a troll, I guess.
Yeah, he was cutting him off because Walls was planning on going, he goes to Yale.
He's a smarty guy.
I'm next to Mrs. Pink, who will be out of a job.
We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
That's a scoliosis post, by the way.
Oh my god.
I have it now.
Children and teens in America is by firearms.
No!
Not true.
They said children and teens.
Ah, that's not what the administration says.
It's accidents, by the way.
Whoa, a loaded question.
By the way, not even close to car accidents, accidents in the home.
If you take out 15- to 19-year-old gangbangers, gun violence doesn't even crack the top ten of the list.
I hope J.D.
Lady Vance answers it.
...attended to 10 years in prison.
Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?
I'll give you two minutes.
Yeah, well, Nora, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly
trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.
I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.
And the details really matter here, of course.
For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.
But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.
And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.
And we do have to do better.
And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
The question is just how do we actually do it?
Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.
And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.
So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.
Brilliant boxer.
He moves so the walls are going to have to move his body so he opens up a shot.
He just moved it to border.
Really good.
really good to school and in a school that feels unsafe or where there are
visible signs of security but unfortunately think that we have to
increase security in our schools we have to make the doors lock better we have to
make the door stronger we've got to make the windows stronger
And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.
So we've got to make our schools safer.
And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
Governor, you have two minutes.
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare.
Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.
Those things don't leave you.
As a member of Congress, I sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.
Their 7-year-olds were dead.
And they were asking us to do something.
And look, I'm a hunter.
I own firearms.
The Vice President is.
We understand that the Second Amendment Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in Minnesota.
We've enacted enhanced red flag laws Enhanced background checks and we can start to get data, but here's the problem if we really want to solve this We've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence Bullshit!
Guys, bring that up.
We fact-checked that.
It was the CDC.
It was the fact that they wanted to selectively research gun violence.
These are the same people, by the way, who stopped recording the victim in the case of a perpetrated crime against them.
The race of the victim, but only the race of the actual assailant.
But that's not far enough when we know they're things that work.
They wanted a discount to 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of firearms each year.
They don't have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.
There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.
And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.
Kamala Harris as an Attorney General worked on this issue.
She knows that it's there.
No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there.
Except she literally said we're taking your guns.
Bring it up in the fact check at the end of the show.
Mission control.
Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children
aren't practicing these types of drills?
They're being kids.
We owe it to them to get a fix.
These are things that shouldn't be that difficult.
You can still keep your firearms, and we can make a difference.
We have to.
If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.
Senator?
Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.
I'm sorry about that.
I appreciate you saying so.
Christ have mercy.
It is awful.
And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.
First of all, We have way higher rates of mental health abuse, or mental health substance abuse.
We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.
Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.
And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.
I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.
Senator, thank you.
Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it only laid out in your political career.
Did you change your position?
Why?
I've become friends with school shooters.
I've seen it.
Look, the NRA, I was NRA guy for a long time.
You've become friends with school shooters?
I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.
That's not where we live today.
And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one Where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides.
And we have an epidemic of- But no one's really concerned about that.
They're just talking about violent crime.
Homicide.
In Minneapolis?
We should look at all of the issues.
Making sure folks have healthcare and all that, but I want to be very careful.
This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent.
And I think what we end up- But you support red flag laws, Demi!
That's exactly what red flag laws- It's just the guns, and there are things that you can do.
It's not just the guns!
Holy shit!
He just maybe lost the election.
It's just the guns.
He maybe just lost the election.
It's the single losingest issue for Democrats across this country, and he couldn't have given a worse answer.
Clip that.
It's just the guns.
Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation.
By the way, 2019 Kamala Harris promises mandatory government plan for buyback of guns.
More than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices.
Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit.
They also promised to build 3 million new homes.
Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just to drive up prices higher?
Minnesota!
No, it's not handing out.
We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening
on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another
commodity.
It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.
Those are not folks living in those houses.
Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.
I bought and owned one house in my life.
My mom still lives in the house where I was.
And when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass
where you go with your family.
We need to make it more affordable.
And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward
and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from
that lead.
We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd
ever made in housing.
Also, zero-degree temperatures.
It starts to make it easier.
We cut some of the red tape.
Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to
build those homes.
And then that down payment assistance.
I can tell all of you out there, one of the, certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one
thing, but a veteran's home loan, the big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't
have to pay the down payment.
Those are things that make it there.
Now look, you're going to pay that.
You earned that.
And you're going to pay your mortgage.
Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.
And I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.
We've seen a 12% increase in stock.
Okay, you know what?
I'll give him this one.
How about this?
You serve your country?
Alright, you don't have to make a down payment.
You earned it.
It's not free.
I don't think you should have to.
Serve your country?
Oh wait, that's already policy.
I have to use the bathroom.
End up with a stable job.
People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.
All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.
And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in.
But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason.
That's not the case that's happening in many cities.
The fact of the matter is that we don't have an adequate level of affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.
Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
You have two minutes.
Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.
We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim.
25 million illegally aligned.
Competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of
home prices in the country.
It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside
massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.
Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.
Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree
with but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer
to politics.
She is the sitting vice president.
If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.
Now, you asked, Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens?
If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.
One of the biggest drivers of housing costs, aside from illegal immigration, is think about it.
If a truck driver's paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.
Exactly.
If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.
Not by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods too.
That's a good answer.
Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.
Do you want to answer?
Bitch, I don't need them!
Governor, we will get to you in a moment.
Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?
Can you clarify?
Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.
They're not being used for a national park.
They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.
And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.
We have a lot of land that could be used.
We have a lot of Americans that need them.
Did Tim Walz's lips get drier over the course of this debate?
It's his life leaving him.
Oh yeah, the blood's flowing to his forehead.
Looks like a shrunken head.
Senator, your time is up.
Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in
migrants.
So why do you look like the one Muppet heckler?
I'll check it.
The crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.
But it's again, blaming and not trying to find a solution.
not trying to find the solution.
I was going to ask, though, on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.
Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.
I know in the western part of the countries we do.
That's because the pirates took them all.
There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis.
He's not saying national parks, you moron.
So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands.
Okay, look, Walls is just not doing well.
We protect these things.
Vance is doing a really good job of giving something to Walz that is universally agreeable, where people are going, yeah, it's reasonable.
And then Walz is going, well, yeah, but he's done better than I would advise.
He didn't take the bait on the gun death stat because he doesn't want to become adversarial with the moderators.
He loses the ability to call them out when he becomes adversarial.
I don't think I've ever seen someone do a better job than this.
The closest I can remember is Carly Fiorina in the primaries in 2016.
Huge disappointment since then, by the way.
Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.
There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.
What evidence do you have that migrants are...
Supply and demand.
Economy 101.
There's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.
We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between these levels of immigration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.
Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.
It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.
Look, we are a country of builders.
We're a country of doers.
We're a country of scammers.
Can we put up a poll?
Is this the best debate performance we've ever seen in our lifetime?
Is it me?
And that's hard to do because the expectations were already high.
That's really hard to do.
We're not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says that you have to do.
And that's hard to do because expectations were already high.
That's really hard to do.
I'm not old enough to remember the Clinton debates, but I hear he was great.
He was great Trump. I hear that.
...housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to
millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.
What are the federal regulations?
I deal with this as a governor.
I get this as a governor.
Many of them are state.
I get this as a governor.
He's doing the same thing that J.D. did.
Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to, because J.D.'s going to have an answer.
Many of them are state.
I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations,
people think they can get rid of them.
Watch, we're going to try and move on.
's gonna say, well, he did ask me a question.
Watch, that's what's gonna happen if they try and move on.
...that it's fireproof and those types of things.
So which are the regulations?
Because the vice president's not responsible for those.
Congress writes those.
Not my job!
Governor, thank you.
Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to.
You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell.
Nora?
Thank you.
One of the top problems facing Americans... Thank you, I don't like you.
I'm telling you, there's tension between these two.
Former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.
I'll tell you what though, if my lady looked at me with the hatred she has for Mrs. Pink,
I'd be harder than a whale's tooth.
In response, he said, I have the basics of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance.
Can you explain how that would work?
And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more?
I'll give you two minutes.
Oh, geez.
Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.
In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care.
I believe a number of members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.
And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concept.
Which is great, because one third of all doctors don't even accept Medicare, I believe.
I don't know if that was a Florida stat or a national stat, but a huge percentage of doctors don't accept Medicare and Medicaid at this point.
I can confirm this.
As a business owner under Donald Trump, we started offering full health insurance plans for employees.
wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan
negotiation.
Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of,
prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's
leadership.
Prescription drugs are up about 7%.
I can confirm this.
As a business owner under Donald Trump, we started offering full health insurance plans
for employees.
Before that, it was health sharing because it was too expensive.
There was a way to circumnavigate the Obamacare law.
Paris Committee took it away.
I did.
Oh, by the way, also, don't expect us to match the 401k.
more choice.
And we also drive down costs.
We talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.
Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on
on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non-chronically ill.
It's not just a plan.
He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.
And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing
disastrously until Donald Trump came along.
I think this is an important point about President Trump.
Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever
done.
But when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of the federal regulatory burden and
healthcare costs. You think it helps you.
It just allows you to take more blunt brain trauma without getting cut in the face.
face.
It's been a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.
It's not perfect of course and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that
Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies.
He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.
Alright, here's where being an old guy gives you some history.
I was there at the creation of the ACA.
You were there at Tiananmen Square too, and in Afghanistan.
I come from a major healthcare state.
Home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.
We understand healthcare.
Why did Mayo expand to Arizona?
I know, because I got my surgery there.
And so what I know is, under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.
Those of you listening, this is critical to you.
Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you to go back and remember this.
He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.
On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost it to the Supreme Court.
And the end result was more affordable healthcare for people and actually for businesses.
More businesses.
Now, that would be an interesting stat.
How many more businesses in the first three years of Donald Trump started providing health insurance, small businesses, to their employees?
Guarantee you it's very high.
Because my accountant said he had never seen the amount of hiring and the amount of benefits being created and granted to the company as those first three years.
We did!
We did.
Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.
We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.
But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked
me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never been there.
Teacher drink, but I'm out.
I'm out.
I'm out.
What Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept.
Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.
And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.
What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you pay more?
So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure because guess what happens?
You pay your premium, it's not much.
They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you.
But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer?
You're going to get kicked out of it.
That's why the system didn't work.
No, you'll have to pay a little bit more because you're going to need a little bit more.
That's insurance.
You just described socialism.
It's the same reason life insurance is cheaper if you get it when you're young.
You would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.
Well look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with
pre-existing conditions. We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make
the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. Now what Donald Walz just said is
actually not true. A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own
weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges. Donald Trump actually
helped address that problem and he did so in a way that was not a good thing.
We already had those.
Risk pools.
people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.
But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald
Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.
But in reality, Donald Trump was president.
Inflation was low.
Take-home pay was higher.
And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would
have collapsed absent his leadership.
He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.
130 primary care doctors won't take new patients on Medicaid confirmed.
It's higher now that we've seen it go up.
Look, people are using it.
The system works.
And the question about this is young people, whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.
And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.
So you think the individual mandate is a good idea?
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works.
When it doesn't, it collapses.
You are asking me to have free ACA, where we get people out.
Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare.
People expect it to be there.
And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, It's not sick and old.
It's bad decisions and unhealthy.
I'm really curious to see the post-debate roundups.
it there and we make sure then when you get sick and old it's there for you
because I hear people say well I don't I don't want to buy into Medicare. Good luck buying health care once you get
past 70.
Really curious to see the post debate roundups. There's no way for them to spin this.
The way she made everything better was negotiating those ten drugs on
Medicare for the first time in American history.
Thank you.
Margaret, can I address that?
I apologize, we're out of time.
We have a number of subjects to discuss.
By the way, and Vance is really clever, going like, I'm sorry, go ahead.
He's letting everyone know that he's the cock of the walk, baby.
There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world Without a national paid leave program for new parents.
Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.
How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns?
You have two minutes.
Yeah, well, that's negotiable.
And that's what Congress worked.
But here's what the deal is.
American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.
Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.
Kamala Harris knows that and are in California.
Those companies provide paid family medical leave.
One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.
We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.
You have a child, You, and I had to go back to work five days after my kids
were born.
This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.
What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better,
we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.
So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.
We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.
That's how you become a pro-business state.
Let me just explain this really quickly.
They want to apply it to all companies.
And I can tell you this, it's not a policy that's been enshrined into law in Texas, but we have given women significant amounts of time off.
And men here get two weeks off when they have a new child.
Men like you, but you didn't take all of it.
We've done that just as a way to try and help out.
You say that we have to give people two, three months off.
Guess what's going to happen?
People are going to hire less women.
Now I have a real wage gap problem.
And men?
Sorry.
Go back to work.
He's never said that.
Go back to work.
He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.
What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.
And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or
go to the businesses and ask them.
As far as child care, you have to take it on both the supply and the demand side.
You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or
our parents to get paid the least amount of money.
But people need to leave now because your entire party created a dual income household
necessity, to be clear.
to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this, we were listed as the best state.
We're still in crisis on this.
A federal program of faith, and medical leave, and help with this
will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator, do you support a national paid leave program, and if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?
You have two minutes.
Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue, and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.
I mean, look, I speak for this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman.
He's forcing Wallace to nod his head yes.
More than Wall should be.
More than Wall is three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.
And I'm so proud of her.
But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is
extraordinarily difficult.
And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.
She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company.
But the cultural pressure on young families, and especially young women, I think makes
it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.
A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.
Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.
Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.
And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala
Harris.
If you look at the federal programs that we have, the Support Paid Family Leave right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.
These programs only go to one kind of child care model.
Let's say you'd like your church, maybe, to help you out with child care.
Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you want to get together.
This is the one thing the media is going to fact check him on and say he didn't give a specific plan.
of these federal monies. We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how
we promote child care because look, it is unacceptable. And you know, of course, Tim
and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks. This is the
one thing the media is going to fact check him out and say he didn't give a specific
plan. People who feel like, but neither did Tim Walz, options like they're choosing between
going to work or taking care of their kids.
That is an incredible burden to put on American families.
We're the only country that does it.
I think we could do a heck of a lot better.
Senator, thank you.
I would say that was his weakest answer of the night.
But still, he still had Tim Walz agreeing with him.
The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.
So I want to get your thoughts on this.
The answer is in the question.
Be a single income household if you can.
There you go.
Relatively speaking, they are very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.
Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?
You have one minute.
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit,
is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas
and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country
and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America.
But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.
That's the heart of the economic proposal.
And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.
Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?
Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the child care shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.
And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.
We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families.
Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.
Thank you, Senator.
Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals.
Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?
Is that realistic?
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows.
I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.
And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months.
Let's be clear of where we're at on this.
It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.
We thought we were going to get by by not paying people.
I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart.
I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.
We've done scholarship types of things.
I think we need to be open to making the case.
But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs.
That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less.
So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the pool.
That's Wharton School.
That's his alma mater.
And so I think the issue here is... The alma mater you cited as supporting your economic plan until they said, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime.
But they will lead with childcare, and they will lead with housing.
Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce.
Governor, thank you.
We need to move on.
Let's talk about the state of democracy.
The top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.
After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.
Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
Bring up that in the fact check.
They didn't even look at the evidence.
Bring up the amount of cases.
I believe it was out of the 60.
Was it 30-something or 40 that didn't even look at the evidence?
Put that in the fact check again.
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presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative
electors. That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even
if every governor certifies the results? I'll give you two minutes. Well,
Laura, first of all I think that we're focused on the future.
We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris' policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.
Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully in the public square and that's all I've said
and that's all that Donald Trump has said. Remember, he said that on January
the 6th the protesters ought to protest peacefully and on January the 20th what
happened? Joe Biden became the president, Donald Trump left the White House and
now of course unfortunately we have all of the negative policies that
have come from the Harris-Biden administration. I believe that we actually
do have a threat to democracy in this country but unfortunately it's
not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will face.
to talk to him. He's looked down for way too long.
He's going to walk Tim Walz right into this.
We have the clip of Tim Walz's habit at the end of him saying that the First Amendment doesn't cover your right to hate speak.
I'm gonna speak.
... silencing their fellow citizens and it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate
and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.
I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country
in the last four years, in the last 40 years.
He knows Tim Walz's position.
Now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised...
Either Tim Walz is going to have to reiterate his position where he's pro-censorship, or if he walks away from it, then J.D.
Vance is going to say, but why did you say, and bring it back up.
Watch.
It's going to be one of those two.
I guarantee it.
If they can show back and forth.
We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.
We ought to argue about them.
We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans.
Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale.
She did it during COVID.
She's done it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy
than what Donald Trump said.
32 cases heard on Merit that have 92 filed 24 of 32 won by Donald Trump.
Well, I've enjoyed I'm pretty sure.
Me too, man.
That's why you looked down at your talking point for so long.
I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I might have with the senator.
Me too man.
There's one though that this one is troubling to me and I say that because I think we need
to tell the story.
Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this.
That's why he looked down at your talking point for so long.
I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
He was very clear.
I mean he lost this election and he said he didn't.
A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day.
Some with the American flag.
Several later died.
A hundred and forty?
And it wasn't just in there.
In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state Capitol grounds.
More citizens were beaten in one city, in your state, in the Black Lives Matter riots.
Citizens!
And there may be casualties.
The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police.
That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence.
Mike Pence made the right decision.
Fact check, bring up the noose of the Mike Pence that was about three feet tall, wouldn't even work for a pygmy.
I worked with Pence long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.
You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.
Is that what Obama did?
That's what was at stake here.
But you want to silence people who disagree with you.
You've said so.
imprisoning your political opponents, already laying the groundwork.
One person has done that. Joe Biden. Come on Harris.
The president's words matter.
Donald Trump let Hillary walk.
The president's words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling our
differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it.
You're ready to shake hands.
But to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history.
That lady was four foot tall.
That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.
And here we are, four years later, in the same boat.
I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.
This has got to stop.
It's tearing our country apart.
Answer.
Answer.
No answer, J.D.
Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?
Yeah, well, look, Tim.
First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.
We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election.
And, of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win.
But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help.
Whenever he wants it.
But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.
Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.
This has been going on for a long time.
And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.
But if we want to say that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.
January 6th was not Facebook ads.
And I think a revisionist history on this.
I don't understand how we got to this point.
But the issue was that happened.
Donald Trump didn't do it.
And all of us say there's no place for this.
I believe it was a month before, two months before, they burned down a church outside of the White House and they tried to storm the White House gates.
Threatening to kill someone, threatening to do something.
That's not censorship.
Censorship is book banning.
We've seen that.
We've seen that brought up.
Portal books.
Bring up, fact check to the list.
They banned To Kill a Mockingbird and Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
Republicans want to ban pedophile pornography.
And I think there's a lot of agreement.
This is why we are miles.
A really big fact check at the end of this was a threat to our democracy in a way that
we had not seen.
And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is still saying
he didn't lose the election.
I would just say that.
Did he lose the 2020?
So Stacey Abrams, Tim, I'm focused on the future.
Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?
That is a damning.
That is a damning non answer.
She it's a damning non answer for you to not talk about censorship.
Obviously Donald Trump is trying to get into trouble in 2020.
We've talked about it.
I'm happy to talk about it further.
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.
The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.
You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.
Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds.
That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.
I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.
Let's persuade one another.
Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together afterwards.
You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
That's the test.
That's the Supreme Court test.
He has 2016 talking points.
You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.
That's not fire in a crowded theater.
That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.
Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.
I don't run Facebook.
What I do know is... Oh, the government does!
...who refused and now again, and I'm shocked by this, he lost the election.
This is not a debate.
It's not anything anywhere other than Donald Trump's world.
Let me be really clear.
You claim he lost the election and he was de-platformed by the exact same companies.
Facebook at that point, Twitter, YouTube, Google, Apple, all these places that you demanded de-platformed political opposition.
Can we be more clear about that?
We've been fighting against this since, by the way, 2011.
You can see us be demonetized back in 2016, the Vox Apocalypse.
We know all about censorship.
That's why we're on Rumble.
If you're watching on YouTube, head on over to Rumble.
It is a matter of policy that has been...
Thank you, gentlemen.
We will be right back with both of our candidates.
from the Democrat Party, Mark Zuckerberg admitted it.
Elon Musk, now that he has Twitter, has admitted it.
YouTube admitted it to us.
We provided you with the receipts.
And they've tried to do it to Rumble.
And CEO Chris Pavlovsky of Rumble has told you and provided receipts.
At every turn, they want to silence voices of dissent.
Thank you, gentlemen.
We will be right back with both of our candidates.
The CBS News vice presidential debate continues.
All right, really quickly, we're going to be back in just two minutes.
I'm going to make sure that we have this live fact check here at the end of this, kind of like an ombudsman, because boy, has this been a night.
It's been a doozy.
I'd love to see the results of that poll.
I think this is the best debate performance I've ever seen from someone on either side of the aisle, from J.D.
Vance.
Before we come right back, right now we do have, because we were asked who would be the best press secretary for Donald Trump, the answer has come back time and time again.
You can also watch him on Mug Club weekdays at 5 p.m.
Eastern.
Nick DiPaolo.
Nick DiPaolo, and so I present to you the parallel universe in which Nick DiPaolo is the White House Press Secretary.
We'll be right back with a fact check.
I'm the Press Secretary for the President.
Got all your lies and smears lined up, I bet?
I can smoke in here, right?
I thought I could.
Anybody got a problem with it, talk to the President.
Any questions?
How does this administration... Can you speak up, bitch?
How does this administration try to revamp its image?
Revamp its image?
Why would it want to revamp its image?
We have the greatest economy in the history of the country.
I mean, even black people will work it.
Why would we want to revamp that?
What else did we do good?
Pretty much everything.
We were building a wall.
Not the Z-Brick one you guys are gonna put up.
Um, yeah, so there's no revamping.
We're very proud of what we did in those four years.
Especially on January 6th.
Anyways.
Hey, this is Whistleblower 52 for Open Minds of America, talking with marginalized communities
on why hate has no place in Texas.
Or America.
Or on Earth.
Do you think that I take place in the city?
That kind of hate?
Can you believe this sh**?
You don't think it should be taken down?
In the city?
They shouldn't allow this kind of hate?
I find it repulsive.
They're from Newfoundland.
They're from Canada.
They were Polish too.
Like, they came over because of the Holocaust.
So what was worse for them?
Was it the Holocaust or Newfoundland?
But you think it should be allowed to stay up?
Yes.
Yes, I think so.
Yes.
Even though I find it repulsive.
No, I want the city to take it down.
Yeah.
It's been there for a while, too.
Oh, it's been there for a while?
Yeah.
It's changed my mind.
So I found the money because it gets people talking.
It's changed my mind.
So I found the money because it gets people talking.
Glad to be back with you.
The drinking game rules tonight.
Bring them back up.
Anytime Walz doesn't directly answer a question, you drink.
Anytime someone mentions Product 2035, you drink.
Anytime Walz mentions a coach or teacher, namely himself, you drink.
Anytime JD Vance goes beast mode, which has been pretty much every question, you drink.
Finish your drink.
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Talking of censorship, we've been fighting upstream against that for a very long time here, and we know that it comes directly from the administration, those in positions of government, so the idea that, well, it's a private company, they can do whatever they want, that doesn't hold true anymore.
We have six pages to be printed out of fact-checking from tonight.
I know Mission Control's been working on that.
We also have the 7 plus 1 October surprises.
We've done our research, and Thomas Finnegan, after this, I almost forgot, too.
By the way, we just launched a new shirt.
So Trump Vance 2024.
You got to pull that down.
See, we all got them right now.
Go to CrowderShop.com to grab your Trump Vance 2024.
Most of us got them.
By the way, prediction right now, no matter what happens, that's the president in 2028.
Dude, right?
Good lord.
Out of nowhere.
I spoke with Pops Crowder.
He said, ah, I think he could have more satchel.
It'd be a little tougher.
I don't think so.
I think he's given... His demeanor is perfect.
Yeah, he's given Waltz nothing to disagree with.
Where I would have been more aggressive, I think he's doing it a little bit more deftly.
I thought the same thing about Vivek Ramaswamy.
That's why I like Vivek so much, because he was so upfront, he was direct, and he had a bit of aggression to it.
You have it great together, but there's a certain edge that JD has that Vivek didn't have about composure and being calm.
You can't beat up Waltz.
You can't go after him.
No, it's like beating up a baby.
Yeah.
There we go.
It looks like a friggin' baby, dude.
Give me the baby from Roger Rabbit.
Yes, the man baby.
So, Governor Walz, you are first.
You have two minutes.
Well, I'm voting for this guy.
Thank you, Senator Vance.
Thank you to CBS News.
And most importantly, thank you to all of you.
If you're still up and the folks who miss dancing with our stars, I appreciate it.
But look, the support of the democracy matters.
It matters that you're here.
And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there.
What?!
And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.
They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is.
And I have to tell you, that better than it is It's the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone.
Not just to get by, but to get ahead.
And the idea that freedom really means something.
Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.
Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.
His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.
And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.
Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.
He will continue to push down that road.
Excuse me.
Kamala Harris gives us a different option.
Now I have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.
He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.
A lot of America feels that way.
We don't need to be afraid.
Franklin Roosevelt was right.
All we have to fear is fear itself.
Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.
She's bringing us a politics of joy.
She's bringing real solutions for the middle class, and she's centering you at the heart of that.
All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.
I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Commonwealth.
Well I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.
One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.
And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.
That's gotten more difficult, thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl, and that too has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.
She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.
Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.
What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.
But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.
They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.
We need change.
We need a new direction.
We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.
Please vote for Donald Trump.
And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.
God bless you and good night.
Center Vance, thank you.
And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.
I'm Margaret Brennan.
And I look like Alice Cooper.
There are just 35 days until election day.
Please get out and vote and for all of us here at CBS News.
Thank you.
What?
Is that us or them?
That's them.
Alright.
They hit a couple gaffes, didn't they?
Look at Tim Walz, he's like, gee whiz, you're good at this.
Like, crazy.
Like, where'd you go to school?
Oh my god, I thought there was, like, 10 of ya.
Oh, yeah.
You notice how he walks over to Walz, too?
There's like... I don't like that he died because he voted.
I was like, I thought that was the... There's your October surprises.
Oh my gosh, where'd you pick her up?
She makes my wife look like crap.
Not crazy, guys.
How you doing?
Oh, that skin complexion.
Whoa, hold on a second.
You can wear a dress?
Mitch, why'd you wear a pantsuit?
Shoulders, huh?
Okay.
Supposed to be the coach's wife.
You could put those cans out like you did in college working for Hooters.
See what I told you about that perfect olive skin?
She's getting the tan.
I told you.
You know what's going on.
It's just that Minnesota sun.
You have that seasonal affective disorder.
Is that why you won't blow me?
No.
No, Tim, it's because you have a boyfriend for that.
She said, thanks for the cover, but he's really good.
Yeah.
She's like, oh, I didn't expect him to get trounced like that.
Oh, man.
Yeah, yeah.
You can bring that in there.
Thank you, sir.
We have a fact check here.
So many.
Lance is such a loud guy.
I can hear you laughing a few times.
Six pages, huh?
Six pages.
I wasn't joking.
That's awesome.
Atta boy.
One thing I will say, and I want to go to CNN real quick.
Then we have Thomas Finnegan, our 7 plus 1.
What struck me here is not only did J.D.
Vance do really, but I would say this in full confidence, he'll do this every time.
It's sustainable.
What I mean by that is that J.D.
Vance has kind of cracked the code.
He cracked the code where they no longer have gotchas.
If they say, yeah, but you said this, we want to try and paint you as flip-flopping.
Now, unlike Kamala, he hasn't flip-flopped.
His persona and the way that he performs with Grace and I, Pops Crowder thinks that he wasn't aggressive enough.
You guys can comment and let me know if you think I understand his point.
He might change his mind tonight.
He might change his mind, but I'm telling you, he can self-correct and say, I was wrong about that, or this is what I've learned in the campaign trail.
He's done it really well, and he's basically learned how to take ownership and admit his faults or his missteps, and putting it on the American people in a positive way of, they've taught me.
You don't want people to say, I believe I've learned more from you as your teacher than you've learned from me.
Only he's saying it, but he's genuine.
He's what a populist actually should be.
So I expect him to do this every time.
It's not like someone had him go out some talking points and a really good performance one time.
He's going to always be able, as long as he still maintains the mental faculties, to take what's given to him and answer And respond in real time and box the person in.
And that works for people like me.
Like Kamala, because Kamala, same thing, she's been wrong.
She will never admit she's wrong.
She's gone back on policies.
She won't say, I changed my mind.
She won't say, I learned this.
Or this happened to change my mind.
She just goes, I've made, she just lies or avoids a question.
I appreciate someone who just directly to your face goes, yeah, I said that.
Right.
I was wrong.
I learned from it.
Right.
So did I. In the primaries, I definitely did.
Can we go to CNN and see what they're saying?
Because I would imagine they're panicking.
The lack of interviews that he has done with national media, with local media.
Talking about Walls, not Vance.
It showed.
He needed more reps.
No, I agree.
I mean, J.D.
Vance is much more experienced at this, at public speaking, at defending himself, at pivoting.
No, no, no.
He's not more experienced.
He simply did his job.
Walls' strategy was to make him inexperienced.
And you talked about the Obamacare one, as if Donald Trump actually had tried to save Obamacare.
And just to be clear, he eventually did address that part of it.
No, he did.
But it was after... It took a little winding up, and I think that an experienced debater immediately jumps on something like that, because that's a really critical point for a Democrat to make.
So one of the things that I wonder about... Doesn't matter who it is.
You could send anyone advance tonight.
Don't send anyone you want back.
What were Vance and Walz told in terms of what was their goal for the night?
Probably they were told that this is about supporting your running mate and going after the running mate on the other side, the presidential ticket, not the vice president.
You know what?
I will say this.
J.D.
Vance just fundamentally changed the importance of a vice presidential debate.
That's what I think actually happened tonight.
You know they talked about lack of experience in public speaking.
I think that's horse crap.
Because the dude was a first sergeant slash wanted to call himself a sergeant major, acting sergeant major.
You have to talk to hundreds and thousands of people at times.
Not to mention he was a teacher, he was a coach.
You give pep speeches, you give lessons, you give lectures.
He's been public speaking for 45 years.
Right.
That's older than J.D.
Vance even has lived.
Not to mention all the horses.
Yeah, well, that's a 1%.
Don't spoil it.
My Italian stand.
To hear J.D.
Vance talk about that issue tonight, he expressed consternation with the Republican Party for not reaching out more, not talking to more people, wanting to provide more options for women.
And yes, absolutely, Tim Walz did not go after him on that.
That's part of the point, is that you're actually explaining exactly what I think was missing on the debate stage.
JD Vance has a record on abortion, and you didn't really hear about that from Tim Walz.
He didn't do it three times.
It doesn't have to be lengthy, but you just didn't hear it.
And secondly, JD Vance's job tonight was to launder Trumpism Oh, come on!
Come on!
No.
Come on!
Speaking of laundering, how's that Ukraine bill?
He was able to do that without getting a whole lot of pushback from Tim Walz on the stage.
And maybe they're talking to different segments of that undecided pool, but Vance...
No, Vance was talking to all of them tonight, sweetheart.
Do what he came to do, which is to take Trumpism...
She's mad because he was talking to her.
when I said rehab. I don't necessarily think at the end of the day though that what we
saw is going to make a big difference at the top of the ticket.
Sure.
Here's the thing, you don't need to make a big difference because I'm going to bring
this up for you guys really quick. The recent polling, okay, recent polling.
These are the most recent polls, to be clear.
Trump is ahead in all of them, for all those doomsdayers out there who say, don't vote, it's rigged anyway.
These are only states that have had polls since October 1st.
Okay?
North Carolina, Quinnipiac, Trump plus one.
Washington Post, Trump up two.
Emerson, Trump up one.
Insider Advantage, Trump up one.
That means the most recent four polls in North Carolina has Trump up within the margin of error.
Georgia, Quinnipiac, plus five for Trump.
Insider Advantage has it as a tie.
Pennsylvania, Emerson has it as a tie.
Trafalgar has it as Trump plus three.
That's outside the margin of error.
Arizona, Emerson has Trump plus three.
Insider Advantage, Trump plus one.
These are the only states, swing states, that have polling available here basically within the last 24 to 48 hours.
So this could be enough.
And here's also why, because these are the only two people who the American population at large have not seen.
So they're tuning in to say, maybe you guys can fill in the gaps.
I think that's what the VP debate is going to become going forward.
It used to just be, okay, let's see who's better on their feet.
Let's see if they made a mistake.
That's really, really a VP debate could only hurt you.
Let's see if McCain made a mistake with Palin, right?
Let's see if Mike Pence is a mistake.
In this case, I think going forward, the VP debate, especially when it's a close race, is going to be seen as the event that fills in the gaps.
And JD Vance, I think, changed that quite a bit.
You guys can comment what you think.
I'd also like to see if Mission Control has any other meltdowns.
Because I can't imagine that any reaction from the left has been positive at all tonight.
What are you guys laughing about?
So Donald Trump just tweeted this out.
Not friends with school shooters.
Not friends with school shooters!
Right?
We heard that, right?
I became friends with school shooters.
Oh shit!
I think it was one of his gaffes where he meant to say like victims or something but still that was a weird thing to say.
No, I didn't say that.
I said I'm friends with school shooters.
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Fuck me, I made a mistake.
I made a bad.
Let's see CNN panel right now.
I'm sorry, our shirt on our merch site, Trump Vans 24, you see the sign he put up?
I was like, is that our lawn sign that we put up?
Because we have the shirts on CrowderShop.com right now.
Thank you Donald Trump for the plug, I think?
Let's see CNN panel right now, Anderson Cooper is soiling his panties.
Yes, I think that is one, that is absolutely true and I thought his first answer on the
situation in the Middle East was probably one of his weakest answers.
He closed strong, without a question, and on those questions of abortion, the Affordable Care Act, and of course the end on democracy, I think he did very, very well.
People are shooting the numbers from thousands across the way.
Pretty surprisingly to me, he basically said it was more of a draw.
One thing should be noted, as long as the degree to which we discussed before the debate, there are two J.D.
Vance's.
Yeah, that's also a draw.
That's also how Tim Walls referred to Tiananmen Square.
I don't know.
I call it a draw.
They had tanks, you had, you know, nothing.
So it's a wash.
He had a mission, and that mission was to be what Donald Trump isn't, which is to be, to sound reasonable, to be courteous to the opponent, to acknowledge that there may have been some reasonableness in the opponent's argument, but I have some other differences.
I mean, it was really... I will say, I think Van Jones is going to be objective here.
I think he's going to have to admit that Vance cleaned Tim Walz's clock.
I'm very curious to see what Kryan Van Jones says.
I think it comes naturally to Walz.
I think someone texted me and said, I wonder how many people in the country said, gee I wish these could be the two candidates because they were people who seemed to be having a reasonable discussion.
Bottom line on this, I don't think it changes the Yeah.
I think you're in for a rude awakening.
I think you're in for a rude awakening.
I was struck by the fact that J.D. Vance is a significantly more eloquent Donald Trump.
Watching that, I don't agree with J.D. Vance on quite a bit, but he speaks to MAGA in a way that he comes off as an
incredible effective communicator.
He speaks to the country in a way.
Wait, hold on, Teen Mom's talking.
I honestly was surprised that Donald Trump doesn't want to debate again because J.D. Vance is a more eloquent communicator.
Vance did so well and he's going to want the final, kind of, you know, the closing argument.
But listen, J.D.
Vance is a chameleon.
There's multiple sides to him.
It's one of his greatest political strengths.
He showed up with it because he's wrong.
This is the big mistake that Donald Trump has made.
The fact that she was ever, even within striking distance, of the Trump cabinet whatsoever is embarrassing.
There's nothing about her that is conservative or Republican.
I mean, the only person less Republican who claims to have been one is Anna Navarro from her fat suit.
Well, like Trump says, he fires people.
It's true.
I don't know that this moves the needle, but I do think it solidifies his place as the MAGA-era parent after Trump.
Yeah, you know a lot about needles from your forehead.
I think what you saw tonight was the kitchen table versus the Ivy League.
I went to the same law school as J.D.
Vance, and that's how they teach us to do it.
Slick, slick, slick.
The problem is, J.D.
Vance changes personalities like most people change suits.
And his job was to come out tonight and try to sane-wash the crazy.
Sane-wash all the crazy stuff he said against women, against Haitians.
Sane-wash Donald Trump.
And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for the pesky facts.
He lied.
What?
By the way, most people only have one to two suits.
We did.
January 20th is what he said.
Alright, while we're talking about lies, it's time- Hold on, you were wrong!
You were wrong!
I want to talk about that when you're done.
J.D.
He lied about the insurrections.
He said we had a peaceful transfer of power.
We did.
January 20th is what he said.
He lied.
He said he never supported the National Portion Ban.
He is, Donald Trump is a gaslighter.
Alright, while we're talking about lies, it's time- Hold on, you were wrong.
You were wrong.
J.D. Vance, Van Jones, sorry, did not in any way, shape, or form acknowledge and be fair
Well, he's saying that JD Vance won, but it's because he lied.
Yeah, but you said he was gonna- I said I thought he might be objective because usually- He's not objective.
No, he's not.
No.
He's not.
Sorry, you were wrong.
I was wrong?
Bring it up.
Hey, get that out of here, man!
I don't want it.
Yeah, you really don't expect them to actually fall on camera.
I had to give the old one.
He had a command of the facts.
He wasn't flustered.
He was a guy you'd want to have a beer with.
Okay?
Tim Walz.
A guy you'd want to have cow's milk with.
Fumbled bigly on Tiananmen Square.
Other mammalian milk.
I mean, he was talking about riding a bike in Nebraska and the summers and he went on and on and on.
And he should have just said, look, I misspoke.
Careful.
Many people choose to summer in Nebraska.
He lied about that.
People reminded him of his lies about his time in uniform.
So that was bad.
The other thing I was struck by, no question on Ukraine.
One of the biggest issues facing our country and the globe.
I agree with that.
They should have asked about that at least.
Well, they technically did when they asked about the border bill.
I mean, it was like four times the amount of money to Ukraine than the border, so I don't know.
You call it border bill when it's like, you know, $14 billion.
I call it Ukraine bill when it's $60 to $70 billion, but that's me, Mr. Math.
So let's go to, they're saying that JD Van's live.
Let's go to our live fact-checking.
I don't think we have a stinger.
Do we?
Do we have a fact-check stinger?
We have something.
I can find one.
Alright.
We have six pages of fact-checking and of course while he finds that by the way and they're still finishing up the
fact-check Let's you know what really quickly
Because he's there actually down at the debate tonight really quickly before we get to the fact check. Let's go to
our on-the-ground correspondent Thomas Finnegan
All right, thank you, we paid a lot of money It's debate night in New York.
What do you have for us?
Hi, Steven.
Yeah, so you're in New York, debate night.
Are you in a subway?
Is that where you... No, I stopped there for dinner, but now I'm in the Underground Railroad.
No, no, that's not what it's called.
So you missed the debate.
No, I was there.
It was actually very interesting to see in person.
Yeah, and you didn't stick around for the interview, of course.
Thanks.
Hey, do you want me to bring you a tuna sandwich?
Yeah, actually I do.
I'm pretty hungry.
But first, your shot's a little close.
Can you move back a little bit, Finnegan?
Yeah, almost there.
Just a little more.
Yep, getting closer.
Just one more step.
One more step.
Tim, you know the drill.
Yeah.
Alright, he'll be okay.
I don't give a shit.
Before we go to the live fact-checking here, I just want to tell you guys something.
This is an example.
Tonight, look, there can be no doubt, this was very one-sided, okay?
And I feel like we've done a pretty good job.
Remember last time when the debates took place?
Second debate, I was not happy with Donald Trump.
I thought, man, he sort of snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
The debate with Kamala Harris, the second go-around?
I thought it was pretty even, but I thought that Donald Trump gave the media enough to claim that Kamala Harris won.
We saw that bump for a little bit.
We saw the polymarkets change.
Then we saw them start shifting back.
And sometimes you guys get mad with me.
But I try and be objective, and all of us do here, so that on a night like tonight, hopefully you can trust us, there is no doubt.
It wasn't even close, and that's very, very hard to do when you are the heavy favorite.
According to Walls, Harris, and the media themselves, they knew that Vance was going to be a formidable opponent.
If you go into a fight as a 20-to-1 favorite, it's really hard to overperform.
Right?
Even if you win it, definitively, you have to win it in a way that is, frankly, historic.
Otherwise, it'll be seen as a wash.
And he did that tonight.
He did that and more tonight.
So, objectively, I don't even think that it was close.
But the fact that the media is trying to spin this at all and just say, oh, well, Vance lied, that tells you what they're up to.
I've told you this.
They're going to lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, then cheat.
Lie, lie, lie, lie about Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, then cheat.
Have the moderators gang up on Donald Trump at that debate.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
Cheat tonight by trying to have them gang up on J.D.
Vance.
He was prepared for it.
He was disciplined.
It didn't work.
They're going to continue lying, lying, lying, lying, lying, lying, lying up until the election and cheat.
I guarantee you, just one second, let me go with this.
Election night, that's why we have these fail-safes, that's why we have the infrastructure in place, the election livestream of the century, the rumble on rumble.
We fully anticipate being removed from YouTube like we were in the midterms because we had the biggest livestream in 2020 before that.
We will only be here if you choose for us to be here.
These events that take place, like tonight, expect them to continue.
Taking place up until the election, maybe not nationally televised, and that night of the election, they want to gaslight you, they want to erase it, they want to whitewash it, they want to memory hole it.
Don't expect the media to talk about this for a whole lot of time, just like, remember how quickly they forgot about Kamala Harris' one interview with Dana Bash?
It didn't go well.
You will know how this performance went tonight by the media's coverage of this debate.
They will not be covering it, I guarantee you, at least in comparison to how they cover other debates within 24 hours.
That's why we need your support.
We are going to be here on election night, no matter how long it takes.
We have the live electoral integrity map.
We're going to have that for you, where you can actually go and see us not only help call states, but also dispute states.
No more Arizona called with 0.0001% of the vote, and that's hyperbole.
Don't fact check me on it, but you understand the point.
All major swing states, all major cities in those states, we're going to have on-the-ground undercover journalists, we're going to have on-the-ground correspondents, as well as you, a volunteer army, and you'll be able to click that map and see any shenanigans that take place.
We're going to have real-time data, we're going to have cross-streams with every major stream that exists online that you want to see.
There's no reason to tune in anywhere else.
We have everything the legacy media has and everything that you don't.
Expect to see from them.
All of that and more because we know.
I'm telling you this.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, cheat.
Everyone knows it.
Be ready for it.
And that's what they're doing tonight.
They're going to cheat and say that J.D.
Vance just lied.
Well, because of that, you know what?
We got something for you.
Let's go to a live fact check of the entire night.
Tweet.
Check.
Fact.
Trump.
Trump.
Fact.
Check.
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News!
It's always fun.
All right, Gerald, you and I can both take some of this.
Okay.
They were talking about electric vehicles in Minnesota, saying that, hey, yeah, you know, that actually brings jobs here to the United States.
I don't know if you know this.
We brought this up earlier.
BYD is the largest electric vehicle manufacturer by a landslide.
And, of course, it is a Chinese company, not to mention the batteries and the raw materials.
The mining is dirty.
And by the way, they're talking about a hurricane at the time, and he went to EVs.
Yes, he went to EVs.
Well, that's how you fix hurricanes.
They were talking about climate change technically, but still, it was focused on hurricane Alene.
Do you want to know how you know I believe this?
You can go back to 2011 where I went to the Cancun Climate Summit in Mexico and heard Ted Turner support China's one-child policy.
Climate change policy is anti-human.
When people are dying from a natural disaster and you start talking about electric vehicles from a company who has no respect for international emission standards, you are anti-human.
You are anti-people.
We like to act as though, oh, people are beholden to lobbyists, as though that doesn't happen.
With the green energy movement, and it certainly couldn't happen with foreign companies who have a vested interest in our electric vehicle policies here.
You know the one person who they've actually forced out of their far far left deep blue state?
Tesla.
Probably the most American auto manufacturer out there right now.
It's arguable, I think Toyota has more.
But Tesla had to leave California for Texas.
That should tell you what you need to know as far as electric vehicle policy as a matter of energy.
Let's go to a claim that they made tonight.
And all references are available, link in the description, or you can go to LightOffCredit.com as we do with every single show.
We appreciate Mission Control getting all this to us in record time.
The claim that Trump tried to bribe oil executives at Mar-a-Lago.
He actually told them that if they helped him get elected, they would see their profits increase.
As opposed to green vehicle manufacturers, or by the way, Wall Street, who helped Barack Obama get elected, or all of media who donate overwhelmingly to the Democratic campaign.
He basically said, hey, look, you'll probably see your profits go up if I'm elected, because I won't actually slash American energy production, because I made us a net energy exporter for the first time in decades, and Kamala Harris has harmed.
So, I don't know if you know this, but if the oil executives actually do better, meaning they're able to find more natural resources, I don't know if you know this, but historically, your gas prices go down.
And I'm no fan of oil executives.
Here's another claim that they made, uh, that it wasn't true, or at least I guess they were trying to say that, uh, that, uh, what he said wasn't true as far as child sex trafficking and drug mules.
There were no drug mules.
Yeah.
Well, under Kamal's watch, 320,000 migrant children have been lost in the United States.
Yeah.
I know that's not a big number to you guys, but 320,000, by the way, those 320,000, that would be zero.
If our borders were secured and closed, are you seeing that it's not compassionate to keep open borders?
If you need a reason to argue that open borders is not actually compassionate, I just gave you $320,000.
It is happening.
The mules do exist.
They are happening.
You can look at there's, I don't know what they call them, police, they call them spot, spotter reports, I'm getting the wrong word, but there's a report.
They have reports that come out every month.
U.S.
Customs and Border Protection about the things that are coming into the country.
My daddy's worked for Customs.
He would tell me freaking horror stories about babies coming over in planes, people reporting it, that they went over the Atlantic Ocean and the baby made no noises and the reason was because it was filled with opium or the baby was coming across The Mexican border is filled with cocaine.
It happens all the time and there are reports to back it up.
The only problem is they don't have enough time to... Well, we don't have the exact numbers because people don't answer.
Like, yeah, that's my drug, that's my mule for drugs.
That's what I see.
She's carrying fentanyl.
They don't answer that question to you.
But we know 18 million crossings that we know about under Kamala Harris and Biden compared to three million under Donald Trump.
Hey, by the way, it's the election denier Amy Klobuchar on CNN.
Wonder if they'll ask her about that.
We go back to Springfield, Ohio.
They were trying to say that it was a hoax.
Let me make this really clear, too.
They were the ones who kept trying to make this an issue.
And then when Vance and Trump addressed it, right, they go, why do you keep talking about this?
Tonight they try to bring up the Springfield, Ohio thing as though it was so absurd that Haitian migrants, 20,000 in a city of 50,000 people, I believe, could possibly be eating ducks in the park.
Or that, I don't know if you know this, there were 911 calls of local animals in parks and domestic animals going missing.
But, you know, that's neither here nor there.
One thing that is not in debate is the bomb threats that, of course, Kamala Harris, And Walls themselves have gone on and said, your rhetoric has resulted in bomb threats, which he tried to bring up tonight.
The Ohio governor said 33 threats, 33 hoaxes.
I want to make that very, very clear.
None of these had any validity at all.
They brought up the border bill, trying to say, we had the most comprehensive border bill ever.
Donald Trump was the one who killed it.
In case you've forgotten, that $118 billion border bill, Ukraine got $60 billion, Israel $14 billion.
And less than $15 billion for the border.
I believe it was $10 billion.
None for the wall.
None for the wall.
It was like, if we have any money left over at the end of this thing, then we're going to do it.
And also normalizing $4,999 illegals per day getting into the country.
$5,000 is where we draw the line though.
And that money went to expediting asylum claims that weren't real or expediting citizenship
that was qualified.
Or protecting them like Haitians in Waco, Ohio.
You mean that the federal government can reduce the time that somebody has to file a claim
from 7 years to get processed to 90 days by adding 1500 people?
No.
And that's where they come up with it.
The Border Patrol supports this.
No, no, no.
They don't support the bill.
What they supported was getting more employees.
That's the only thing.
They didn't support your policies.
They didn't support the bill.
Yeah.
They supported having more manpower.
Here's another claim that they made.
And again, all references available at lateralcutter.com as we do every single show.
If you don't watch weekday mornings at 10 a.m.
Eastern, what are you doing with your life?
You're gay.
The claim that Kamala created 800,000 new manufacturing jobs, and I believe that we actually have a clip of this.
It's clip manufacturer Kamala.
This claim was made tonight.
Do you have that tool, man?
If you don't have it, then maybe Noodles has it.
But I have it here in my breakdown.
Clip manufacturer Kamala.
The claim that they made that Kamala Harris created 800,000 new manufacturing jobs.
Foreshadowing here, it's not true.
But I'd like you to see them make it.
I don't have that clip.
All right, well then.
The truth is, they created 800,000 manufacturing jobs.
You remember it, right?
No.
You got it, yeah.
No.
Harris created 173,000 new manufacturing jobs.
592,000 were manufacturing jobs, by the way, that were just returning from COVID that happened under Donald Trump.
Or sorry, 414,000 of them happened under Donald Trump.
173,000 happened under Kamala Harris.
Again, they try and tweak these numbers because there were three years of Donald Trump.
Then there was COVID, which if you want to know how COVID actually goes down, look to Minnesota.
And look how much worse off.
Look to California.
Yeah.
Look to Michigan.
Don't look to Texas and Florida.
Look to those states.
And Minnesota is a great example.
You were locked down and you were paintballed if you left your house while rioters and looters were given space to destroy.
So they always try and tweak those numbers and use that last year, which, by the way, was self-induced by the Democrat Party.
173 of the 592 returned under Kamala Harris compared to- No, 173 of their total, 592 returned just from COVID.
I don't know what I'm saying, it's 592 returned from COVID, but only 173 of those returned under Kamala Harris, as opposed to 414,000 returned under Donald Trump.
I'm sorry, is Tim Walls currently buying pizza to cry into?
Maybe.
On CNN?
What the hell is happening?
Let me get a nice New York slice.
We'll check cryingwhileeating.com later.
Gerald, get the next one, the trade deficit one.
Let's rapid fire.
Under Donald Trump, created $418 billion in 2018.
Trump started the trade war in Q3 of 2018.
in 2018, Trump started the trade war in Q3 of 2018. By the next year, deficit reduced
to 22.2% with China. Key fact, they hate tariffs, they're demonizing tariffs. Biden, Harris,
they have not removed any Trump tariffs on China at all.
The insulin one I know is one of your favorites.
Insulin one, Donald Trump was the one who put a $35 cap in Part D, 2020, and then the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, they tried to expand it, claim credit for it, but before the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, which included their component of insulin, it was already down to $33 average.
So it was already well below 35 because of the initiative from Donald Trump.
They just said, put my name on there and take credit for it.
And they talk about the insulin thing so much, but J.D.
Vance pointed out tonight that no one wanted to fact check that he said that 7% lower was prescription drugs.
7% lower than it is.
7% higher, yeah.
7% higher now with Biden-Harris, even though insulin is the only thing they want to talk about.
And one thing that he did not want to talk about tonight was abortions at whatever point.
That's a big one.
Nine states plus D.C., including Minnesota, do not have any gestational time period bans on abortion.
And Vance brought up a really good point.
Hammered it, hammered it, hammered it.
Basically saying a bill would allow them to let a baby that's born alive, botched abortion, die.
I'll read.
The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which the bill's author, Representative Tina Liebling, has described as mere comfort care.
Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die.
Walls never answered that question.
He said that's not what it does.
Well, they want to focus on Donald Trump saying he might sign an abortion ban.
Again, Donald Trump has already answered that at least half a dozen times.
We've covered it directly, but he also posted directly on X. And was that tonight?
Tonight, this is new.
He said, okay, so this is new.
So Donald Trump reiterated it.
So if you want to say that Donald Trump is lying, okay, fine.
There's nothing to indicate.
On the flip side of the coin, that he would sign a federal abortion ban because he's said many, many times, no.
He wrote, everyone knows I would not support a federal abortion ban under any circumstances and would in fact veto it because it is up to the states to decide based on the will of their voters, the will of the people!
Exclamation mark.
The people.
Like Ronald Reagan before me, I fully support the three.
And I believe he went on to say exceptions, which by the way, I don't necessarily agree with him.
But that certainly is more in line with the view of the American public than all the way up until
including an afterbirth period which is the policy of Tim Walz's state. So good that he has a state
of which he was governor so we can actually look and see what his record is compared to what he
says. He pointed to it so many times. Gun violence. This is actually fact-checking the moderators
because they said that gun violence is the number one killer. They used to say of children. You can
find those clips of Biden, of Kamala Harris saying children.
Now they say children and teens. It's still not quite right because they include up to 19. We
actually found in Great Pool by Research up to 17 and younger motor vehicle deaths are still number
one. That means teen years 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. Yep. It's only when you go to 18 and 19 gangbangers
that it even changes a little.
And this is why the press is the enemy of the people. Look.
Let's assume that you are an alien.
Okay, just for a second.
Let's assume that you are an alien and you're landing on Earth.
Okay?
And you have little alien babies.
And by babies, in this case, I'll even include ages 1 to 14.
All right?
I'm leading you along the primrose path here because I'm going to give you a stat.
But you're an alien and you're going, oh my god, this planet Earth is cruel and uncompassionate, dispassionate, whatever word you Earthlings use.
I have youngins.
They are barely able to fend for themselves.
They're only 13.
Right, because it's 1 to 14 years old?
Yeah.
What do I do to keep them safe?
What is the number one threat?
Click.
CNN.
Gun violence.
MSNBC.
Gun violence.
ABC.
CBS.
Gun violence.
So if you're an alien and you're landing, you're trying to figure out how to best protect your children, right?
You're trying to identify the most imminent threats.
Just like if you're in a tribe in the plains of Africa.
And you're saying, hey, what do I need to be most concerned about?
Is it elephants?
Is it hippopotamuses?
Is it crocodiles?
No, the answer is your corrupt government.
Right?
That would be the answer.
Of course, that's a hypothetical scenario.
You're an alien landing on Earth.
How do I defend my children?
Those aliens' children, their children would die because they wouldn't be looking at the actual top threats.
It's not even close.
Ages 1 to 14.
Disease, number one.
Traffic accidents, number two.
Three, cancer.
Four, congenital issues.
Gun violence isn't even in the top Five.
Let alone if you go ages 1 through 6, ages 1 through 10.
That's ages 1 through 14.
The entire stat is skewed by gangbangers who can be tried as adults.
And by the way, if you just take out inner cities, it still wouldn't even register on the radar.
That's why the press is the enemy of the people.
Their only job is to equip you with information so that you can make informed decisions to better the lives of your family and your community.
Otherwise, the media serves no purpose.
When they lie to you and say the biggest threat you are facing is gun violence, they are making you definitively less safe.
And it's even worse than that, because they're making you definitively less safe through stoking fear in a tool that if you're a woman, or if you're infirm, would make you definitively more safe.
At least 2 million defensive uses of firearms every single year.
The low end is 500,000 a year.
The high end is 3 million.
So you're concerned about this death as opposed to traffic accidents, as opposed to congenital issues, as opposed to cancer, as opposed to accidents in the house, as opposed to the swimming pool, for God's sake.
And so you forego a gun, which would, if simply handled responsibly, meaning you have young kids who don't understand how a gun works, you put it in a lockbox, you put it in a safe, would allow you to protect your family.
The press is actually harming you on an active level.
And they're enlisting the help of the Democrat Party because they've already decided what their agenda is.
Nobody on your side will tell you that you don't need a gun.
Nobody on your side will say that.
No, absolutely not.
And you know what, let's run this clip because they were saying, Tim Walls, this is from X, the gun buyback clip.
I believe, Noodles, you might need to bring this up.
Where they tried to say, or at least I believe it was Walls who said, no one's out there saying they want to take their guns away.
No one's out there.
Except the fact that she did.
Except the fact that Kamala Harris has said it many times until she said, well, not exactly, but I still kind of do.
Let me know when we have that.
Do you have the clip?
Here you go.
No one said they want to take your guns away.
Come again, stupid?
I'm so passionate about and so looking forward to being president to address.
We've got to deal with this.
How mandatory is your gun buyback program?
It's mandatory.
Second amendment?
Second amendment?
Listen, we have to... We're gonna have to do it the right way.
There's no question about that.
But...
We don't have any.
We have to get these guns off the street.
But I also, you know, I have faith in the American people to know that, you know, that we want to comply with our laws and that I know that to be true.
We have another clip, too, of her saying that she will actually go take your guns away.
I'm sure they can find it.
The other one here, and this is just, they bring up Obamacare, and I was, again, I've
been around on YouTube since 2008, so remember when this was a discussion, all the predictions
were coming from those on the right, saying, well this is going to skyrocket the costs
of insurance, of premiums, of deductibles, because I believe it was 50 million Americans
that said were not covered, and a huge portion of them were young, healthy Americans who
chose not to get healthcare, and so a big side effect was forcing them to pay for healthcare
at that point, and then forcing healthcare to cover pre-existing conditions, while not
telling insurance companies that they couldn't increase the prices.
So what you've done is actually increased the risk pool, it was the biggest kickback,
Obamacare, let me be clear, was the biggest kickback for the health insurance industry
that this country has ever seen.
Okay, now let me substantiate that, just to be clear.
They try and say, oh, Donald Trump tried to do away with Obamacare.
Well, why do you think, dummy?
Let me give you a couple of reasons.
One-third of primary care doctors won't accept new patients on Medicaid at all, okay?
So the closer we get to single-payer, the less effective it is.
Obamacare doubled the costs of health insurance.
Doubled it.
Maybe that's why he wanted to try a different direction.
What do you, let me ask you this.
If doubling the cost of health insurance, when your whole plan is to make it more affordable, if the result is double, When do you say, let's try a different direction?
Does it have to be triple?
Quadruple?
At what point do you say it's a failed system?
And here's the point, it's not failed.
It's not failed for the left because they want to push onto you single-payer, they want it to eventually be socialized healthcare.
And so, doesn't matter how much your healthcare costs have increased, that's not a bug, it's a feature.
If healthcare costs go up as a result of their policy, guess what?
Eventually you will clamor for single-payer option, where you can see your mortality rates from basic diseases like cancer, Octuple.
Overnight.
You know, like Europe, or Canada, where I've had to bury relatives because by the time they could get a screening, because there are more MRI machines in the state of fucking Vermont than the entire country, the entire godforsaken country, and I mean that literally, god has forsaken that country a very long time ago, of Canada, by the time it was detected it was stage 4 lung cancer.
Take three years to get a family doctor and kid.
The cost was doubled.
They don't care because they want you to be in a single payer system.
Bring up the child care one there, Gerald.
This seems like your wheelhouse.
Yeah, really quickly to 129% increase from 13 to 19 there on child care.
Minnesota as a state lost 129 or 12.
Well, it was a typo.
I saw it from earlier.
Okay, 129%.
Childcare Minnesota lost 106 million dollars, some would say that's a lot of money, in childcare fraud in 2019.
I don't think he's going to solve the problem with that.
On preserving democracy, this question I thought was very interesting.
They always bring this up.
Yeah, because they go back to January 6th, and Judy Vance did a good job going, hey guys, you know the guy who, you know, apparently cheated his way to stay in power?
He left voluntarily on January 20th, 14 days after January 6th, also after saying peacefully and patriotically, and go home in peace and love.
Wait, can we pause really quickly?
Because they're doing the fact check on CNN and I think we're already fact checking his fact checks.
Do it!
He looks like he's been doing cocaine.
He's moving like it.
Drinking Game Rules still in effect.
getting from every state detailed after the fact anonymous data on abortion and
miscarriage. The federal government already gets this data from almost
every state on a voluntary basis. Project 2025 wants to make it mandatory for all
states but there's no pregnancy registration involved. Drinking Game Rule is still in effect. Drink, Project 2025.
I'm out. And in fact Tim Walz's own state of Minnesota already posts
details after the fact. He's actually checking for vans on this.
Online on the state health department website there is no pregnancy registration in Minnesota of course.
And I should also note that while the governor referred to their
Project 2025 it is not an initiative of the Trump Vans campaign itself though it
is of course also true that Trump and Vans have extensive and close ties to it.
Holy shit, the first time I said that.
Guys, that drinking game rule just cleared me out, so... Same.
I'm on a roll.
on abortion.
Before Senator Vance joined the Trump campaign and fell behind Trump's professed desire for a state-by-state approach to abortion, Vance did support a national abortion ban.
He said that he changed his mind because his own constituents in Ohio voted against his position!
He said I learned from them.
Fuck you, CNN!
Sorry.
No, I'm not sorry.
Fuck you!
Good.
You changed your mind?
Yeah.
Because of my constituents.
to stop women from traveling across state lines to obtain abortions.
And he also said in his website during that Senate campaign that he was quote 100% pro-life
end quote and that he favored eliminating abortion.
These categorical words were on his website until Trump chose him as the president.
What are you nodding for Anderson Cooper?
It doesn't affect you.
Butt babies aren't covered.
This guy's basically saying that Vance was anti-abortion completely until he sided with Trump, and Trump said he's not fully anti-abortion, but no, he is not fully anti-abortion!
At four months!
But it's not like a goal or a target that was federal legislation or the idea of it at least that would have
banned Abortion at 15 weeks and again, he was even more categorized
in hey Hey
Look, you can't reach the undecided people who vote with their pussies, I'm sorry, at four months.
At what point are you expected to be responsible?
Because, by the way, it still allows for, you know, if there's the death of the mother, which could be contributing to our serious health complications, by the way, less than 1%, less than 0.5% of all abortions ever performed for medical necessity.
So, what point do you have any responsibility?
In other words, they're saying, we don't want extreme measures.
You think it's extreme to have a ban on four months.
By the way, most European countries have it at 12 weeks.
Okay?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I don't think we need to be... Do we need to be compassionate with women who've been miseducated?
Yeah.
With women who maybe don't know what abortion actually is?
There is no woman in the United States of America who at four months doesn't realize that they have a baby growing inside of them.
I don't want that vote.
That's not the same as the woman at six weeks who doesn't understand what it is.
Why are we catering to that?
Let's shift that Overton window.
Come on.
Can we all agree that, like Europe at 12 weeks, you should be a little responsible?
And by the way, also the fathers.
But that's not the voting bloc.
If men decided the abortion issue, guess what?
You'd have far fewer abortions.
People say that's because of totalitarianism, but I don't know.
There are a lot of men out there who would raise them willingly in a single father household.
Men aren't the monsters you've made us out to be.
I would argue the monster is right in front of you.
The call is coming from inside the house because women are willing to hold this country hostage.
A subset of women who think that it is still a gross violation of their rights to kill a baby at Four months.
I won't go along with it.
It's not radical to say a federal abortion ban at 15 weeks, just like I don't think it's radical for socialist countries in Europe to say there's a ban at 12 weeks.
Shut up.
Shut up.
You don't know you're pregnant at 15 weeks?
I would argue that most men would assume a day after having unprotected sex that that woman is pregnant and will try everything to get her... Yes!
You're paranoid about it!
How many times when you're younger did you go, oh crap!
How would they put the condom on late?
Oh my god!
I'm gonna be a dad!
Meanwhile, four months later, what?
I'm pregnant?
I told you that!
Well, it'd be hard to know if, like, a 900-pound Life star is notwithstanding.
That's, you know, different.
I just saw the drop and something you did for fun.
Why is it that accent?
I don't know why it sounded like Percy from Green Mouth.
I didn't know the sponge was supposed to be wet.
I mean, I know people... There you go, I'm a fascist, sexist male.
Yep, I think that at four months you should be able to tell.
You should be able to tell if you're pregnant or not.
I think at four months it's too late.
Go ahead, comment below.
My fascist picked me that way.
I don't care.
Go ahead, Gerald.
Ah, sometimes you miss a period four times.
No, I don't think you're a fascist.
Don't make people think that I think you're a fascist for having that idea.
Preserving democracy.
This is something, remember this... Oh wait, hold on a second, you didn't finish the... Ah, shut up, I got it!
You didn't finish the cases.
The cases of Donald Trump where they said... That's preserving democracy!
Okay, sorry, go ahead.
Remember this.
Remember this when somebody brings this up again.
92 cases were filed.
Only 32 heard on merits.
24 of the 32 decided in Trump's favor.
That is significant.
Quinnipiac poll recently on preserving democracy in the United States.
Georgia 49% Trump, 47 Harris.
North Carolina 49% Trump, 48 Harris.
Donald Trump is winning in this category.
Why keep asking the question, ABC?
I think I know.
We know why people may think Trump is a threat to democracy if they bought the lies that the media has sold.
The media has never sold anyone the bill of goods that Harris is a threat to democracy, which means in spite of the media, more Americans think that Harris is a threat to democracy.
Ask yourself, why is that?
Why is that?
And if the media was unbiased?
Would we ever have an election that's even close?
I've said this many times.
With the media and big tech, by the way, in the current state that it's in, I'm amazed that any Republican wins ever.
If the media actually was unbiased, I'd be shocked if a Democrat won ever.
It's that simple.
By the way, Vance made a great argument.
I think Vivek has made the argument a little bit differently, more aggressively, I guess,
earlier on in primaries.
But he's the only person to make the argument about the censorship against the preserving
democracy.
I haven't heard anybody talk about that on a major platform.
Even Trump hasn't.
He, because he gets, I guess he gets distracted, starts talking about something else.
But no one else has talked about how the censorship is a way bigger threat to democracy than somebody
saying protest peacefully and let your voices be heard.
Yeah, I agree.
It was a really, really good point.
He said it will outlive any of our administration.
Yeah.
Oh, what a great way.
Exactly.
What a great line.
I'm like, Oprah, that soundbite.
It wasn't even about him.
Yeah, it's about his kids.
Yeah, it's about our kids.
Well, that's because it's warm in here.
So there's a couple of fact check, not fact check, sorry.
It's like a panel.
From the Washington Post, it's a focus group on voters.
Now, before I get into this, only three of these people said they have... Hold on!
There's a terrorist in this voting group!
Get that terrorist out of there!
The Hamburgler!
He's about to blow up the focus group!
Oh, we met the guy in the front.
I think I met the Hamburglar in the back.
No, I met Jihadi John.
Yeah, that lady in the back looks like a criminal in a 1960s cartoon.
Like a spotlight's going by like, you gotta stand up against the wall, see?
They can't see you with a strike, see?
Ehhh?
... throughout the course of the debate.
And actually, we'll start with overall impressions, guys, because all seven of you came in undecided.
The guy on the far left looks like Tom Delonge transitioning.
Who do you vote for, and what kind of...
Oh, Grand Valley!
Grand Rapids!
That's fun!
I'll be voting for Kamala Harris.
Geez, that's gross!
One of the aspects of that debate that really stuck with me was when they were talking about January 6th and how Mike Pence had the election and they were wondering if J.D.
Vance would certify the election.
That's who I was talking about earlier.
He votes with his pussy.
JD Vance.
He doesn't have to pay the advance rates.
Stephen?
Stephen?
She.
Okay?
Hey.
You know, with my vote, if they're not going to respect it.
So six of you still remain undecided.
About 35 days until the election.
We're going to dig in on some issues in a moment and your reactions to those issues.
But first I want to talk about what Jake Tapper was just talking about in terms of the tone.
Everybody seems to agree this was not a debate like we've seen much of over the course of the last eight years, at least I think you said Warm and fuzzy was what came to mind for you.
What did you see tonight?
I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.
Who's speaking?
I'm sorry.
I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.
They supported each other.
They were kind.
And it was warm and fuzzy.
I mean, you could watch it and not be offended by the words they were using towards each other.
And I think to that point, one of the striking things when we were looking at the data, in terms of your guys' responses, is your favorability for both candidates, regardless of how you viewed them coming into the night, went up.
Significantly.
To be honest, why?
That guy in the bottom left looks like the best friend in Righteous Gemstones of Adam Devine's character.
Someone can bring it up.
Righteous Gemstones, a sidekick of the youth group.
The guy in the bottom left.
CNN, give him a pat down.
Do your job, CNN.
This is such a weak panel, by the way.
It's Grand Valley State.
I spent five years in Grand Rapids.
Do your job, CNN.
Where's the mic we gave you?
This is such a weak panel, by the way.
It's Grand Valley State.
I spent five years in Grand Rapids.
I know how weak Grand Valley State is.
I know!
Cut the Grand Valley State!
Get the Grand Valley State out of here!
Okay, go away from this.
Go to, I have a much more interesting panel in the Washington Post.
All right, so here are the questions that they asked.
Again, three people out of this entire group even had a somewhat positive understanding
of who Vance was, meaning like they liked him to some degree.
Okay, cut the Grand Valley State.
Get the Grand Valley State out of here.
Ah, they've been used to hearing that.
So, who made better arguments about how to handle climate change?
13 people said Vance, only nine people said Walt.
These are, again, only three people liked Vance going into this.
OK, who made better arguments about how to handle U.S.
policy toward Israel and Iran?
16 people, Vance.
Six people, Walls.
Oof.
That's bad, right?
I got the climate change one again.
What's your impression of Vance pre-debate?
So just to kind of prove this here, two people said somewhat favorable, one person very favorable.
And then what's your impression of Walls pre-debate?
Somewhat favorable, nine people out of this group.
So, it's very interesting that you saw so many people go, yeah, he has better ideas on these things.
Better being honest, too, by the way.
Yeah, absolutely.
At least you'd think they are, but... That's insane.
Yeah.
Oh, it's Righteous Gemstone's sidekick.
Good lord.
He ranted that tie.
Was he driving a limo to prom?
I think he spiked the punchbowl.
Don't make this guy answer!
That's not fair to him.
Come on, he's at Grand Valley State.
we have expertise when making decisions in policy, right?
And so him bringing the specifics to say that we need the expertise, making these decisions
I agree that was fair to him.
That was fair to him.
God, poor guy.
Come on, he's at Grand Valley State.
Hasn't he suffered enough?
Hey, don't talk about the drummer from our new metal band like that, Steven.
Ubb Scene, spelled U-B-B.
Scene.
He's the scene, I'm a little Ubb.
Yep.
There you go!
Isn't it?
Isn't it?
Come on!
Right?
That's a deep pull.
Oh man, someone leave this alligator wrangler out of the debate.
Then they married Lana Del Rey.
This guy's gotta get back to his fireworks stand.
Give him a break, dude!
Jesus!
Yeah, Lana Del Rey married an alligator wrangler.
She married an alligator wrangler, which makes me like her.
That's pretty cool, dude.
Means she probably married for love.
Makes me like him.
He's probably got some great stuff going.
And he can wrestle an alligator.
Come on, that's pretty cool.
This is the saddest focus group I have ever seen.
It is!
This focus group would make Frank Luntz go, geez, that was kind of gross.
Look at his foster mom right here.
Aww.
Alright.
She's pregnant.
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Uh, to give us, uh, you know, they're like oracles.
And we actually have the most likely October surprises, which brings us to this week's 7 plus 1.
You'll forgot Sivan in the chamber!
They always forget the one in the chamber and that's usually what takes the villain out.
So this is 7 Plus 1 most likely October surprises, according to our inside sources.
Number seven, Kamala Harris unveils her new stimulus package known as Kamala Cash.
Oh, well you know what?
Camel cash?
I hope they take it.
She looks cool.
Number six, Josh Feierstein.
Kamala Harris gets pregnant and promptly aborts it to focus on her career.
Oh, well that makes sense.
Babies are inconvenient.
Life of the mother, you know?
Social life of the mother.
Number five, Harris-Wall's campaign.
They released a video of Donald Trump taking more than one sweet and low from a Manhattan diner.
Well, that's why they have to fabricate it, because that would be a crime against humanity.
Well, that's how you get wealthy.
I've seen his pockets.
They look way down.
Yeah, I know.
They look way down.
But I would think that's more of a Splenda or sugar in the raw pattern.
Number four.
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