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Oct. 2, 2024 - Louder with Crowder
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“Brazil is a Cautionary Tale” | Ash Wednesday with Paulo Figueiredo and Allan Dos Santos
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I'm sure I was a little late to the draw on letting this...
It's another installment of Ash Wednesday.
It's one of the rare instances where we pre-tape anything, so I don't know if it's going to be an Ash Tuesday or Thursday, but I have a couple of Brazilians here today, a little disappointed because they're men.
When I heard we had two...
Were you assuming my gender?
Sorry, I did. I was just sorely disappointed.
I heard two Brazilians coming into the studio.
No, but you know, you do okay.
You're like a six and a half.
So it's, of course, you've seen them on the show, Mr.
Paulo, Figueredo. I mean, Paulo, Figueredo, Filo, but I've always said Paulo Figueredo.
Filo just means junior. Okay.
All right. Oh, does it?
Yeah. There was this one time, I was working actually with a Trump organization, and they did a background check and said, well, your name is Fido.
I see there's another guy on the company that's Fido as well.
Are you related? And Donald Trump Jr.
asked me that question. I said, well, are you related to Robert Downey Jr.?
This is like his junior.
Did he get it? Or was he like, no.
No. He's smart.
So you can follow, of course, Paulo on X. He has a couple of X's right now.
And, of course, his show is here on Rumble.
What are the X handles?
It's at Real P Figueroa, my last name.
F-I-G-U-E-I-R-E-D-O. And if you're watching, that's on screen.
And, of course, his good friend here.
Well, I know it's Alan DeSantos. I'm trying to look for the X. But, Alan, what's your X? Alan L. DeSantos.
Okay. I want to make sure people know where to find you because they've seen you on the show and a lot of Americans are fascinated because I was raised in Canada and I always see Americans talking about Canadian politics and they don't know what they're talking about.
I don't expect them to. It's a different system.
It's a parliamentary system. And the same thing with Brazilian politics.
It intrigues me.
I don't fully understand the ins and outs, but I do recognize fascism when I see it.
I do recognize censorship when I see it and see a parallel in a country with the United States.
And you've been on the show to talk about that a couple of times.
But what is it if, before we move on, because some Americans will go, I'm not Brazilian, it doesn't affect me.
Tell them what is the most important key fact that Americans need to know in how it relates to Brazil and how that actually directly relates to Americans at home.
I think there are two main points that you can see.
The first one is how similar Brazil is to the U.S. culturally.
We have the same political system.
We're supposedly a democratic republic.
You can argue a little bit on that, but we grew up watching U.S. movies.
We consumed the same products.
Most U.S. companies are in Brazil, and they're very successful in Brazil.
We dress out the same way.
We're better in jiu-jitsu, but other than that...
We'll get to it. Yeah, we'll get to it.
We'll get to it. All the metals. But we're very similar.
And because of that, we work as a lab for the crazy ideas that come up in the US universities that are tested in Brazil.
So we're a lab for crazy ideas.
And I think a lot of the things that happens in Brazil are similar to what's happening in the United States.
So you can look into Brazil and see a little bit of what's the outcome of these crazy ideas that some people are defending in the U.S. So that's one side of it.
And for people who don't know, people who haven't seen you on the show before, obviously as a journalist who was censored, I mean, it's something that's a warning that people should heed.
For people who don't know of your background, we'll make sure that you have the link in the description, but that's kind of how you came to be, I don't want to say more popular, but the more they try and silence you, the more people know who you are.
True. And on that, you can talk about the censorship that's ongoing in the U.S. It's going through the deep state, like putting pressure on the White House, putting pressure on social media company, and the social media companies coming up with, we all know what's going on on YouTube and not on X anymore, but on other companies as well, like Meta and Facebook and whatever.
That's the same thing that's happening in Brazil.
But the other side of it, Brazil is so important, is from a geopolitical perspective.
Yeah. Because, well, Brazil is, and I can say that without fear, that it's the most important country from a geopolitical perspective on the southern hemisphere.
And the reason I tell you this is, well, obviously, if you control Brazil, Brazil controls completely the whole coast on the Atlantic South Ocean, which is fairly important.
But not only that, if you go to war, you need four things.
You need people. To build an army, you need food to feed this army, you need iron to produce the war machines, and you need energy to power the war machines.
And Brazil's the number three or fourth largest food producer in the world.
Brazil is the fifth largest population in the world.
Brazil is the number two iron ore producer in the world.
And Brazil has more energy than most OPEC countries, some of them combined.
So from a geopolitical perspective, the fact that Brazil is shifting towards China should
be very concerning to the US, to Americans.
Yeah. I think it should be a concern.
Which is always kind of surprising to me, especially during that time of Bolsonaro, to not see Americans understand what they had at that moment in time.
It's no big secret that I have quite a few friends in my close circle who are Brazilian, especially coming from a background having done jiu-jitsu, so I was a little bit more in tune with it.
But I thought, okay, there's one other place where there seems to be this at least sprouting of freedom that people understand.
And so when I saw that change with Lula, I didn't know all the ins and outs.
But was really disappointing, was really disheartening to see, because you're going, ah, I thought they were about to get it right.
And I don't want you to let you hog the whole spotlight.
Alan DeSantos, you obviously were an early backer to supporter of Bolsonaro there, and you guys have both been involved with...
I mean, there's so many stories. So you guys tell me where you want me to go with this.
I mean, you've been in American jail, you were telling me, Paulo?
Yeah. Yeah. You haven't been in jail, right?
No, not yet. I don't imagine you would fare well in jail.
Yeah. Unless you were managing the library like Brooks and Shawshank, come on, you better find the biggest guy and make nice with him.
But what do you think is the most important for Americans to understand?
I would like to go back a little bit in history.
When Walt Disney was facing a strike, I think it was the first strike, strongest one.
He had a deal with Bank of America to recover his money and do more movies.
And he had a mission in South America.
And you can watch it on Disney +, this is not hitting the ABC countries.
He had a mission to go to South America and spread anti-Nazi propaganda.
That's when he came up with Jose Carioca, right?
Yeah, exactly. Wait, anti-Nazi propaganda?
Yeah, anti-Nazi propaganda.
Well, I mean, we're anti-Nazi.
We're all anti-Nazi, anti-Nazi propagating.
No, he was, I mean, doing, not against the Nazi, but doing the anti-Nazi propaganda.
Right, yes. The word propaganda in English has a bad connotation.
It has a bad connotation.
We're like, well, it's not propaganda.
If someone's saying Nazis are bad, it's like, ah, it's not all propaganda.
But it's because the word propaganda in Portuguese, it means to propagate an idea.
Oh, okay. That's why he's coming.
Which is kind of ironic, because I don't know if you know this, but Walt Disney didn't like the Jews, so I'm imagining that they weren't in charge of Bank of America yet.
So anyway, he went to South America to do this job in the name of the United States with Argentina, Chile, and Brazil.
So Brazil was very important back then, Because they knew that if you conquer Brazil, why are you fighting against Cuba?
What Cuba means in comparison with Brazil?
If you won Brazil, for example, the Russian and Chinese army, if they won Brazil...
They have Venezuela and Cuba and the drugs and everything that you can ever imagine and even a war against the United States would be easier for them if they have Brazil because South America is basically Brazil.
Brazil is the biggest country.
Brazil is bigger than the United States.
There are going to be some people who will take umbrage with that.
Namely, South Americans not from Brazil.
That man just say, we're basically Brazil?
He means 60% of the South American continent.
The size of the country. Right, yeah.
Plus, who cares about the Peruvians?
I love ceviche.
Yeah, alright, okay. Yeah, it took a genius to say, let's not cook it.
So the size...
A lot of Japanese influence.
The counts were coming over.
By the way, this cigar blew up on me, so I'll be the only one not having a cigar here.
It looks like a cartoon cigar.
So anyway, Brazil was an important piece for America for a long time.
After... Oh, yeah, you know what?
I will. You only smoke cigarettes.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I smoke cigarettes.
It's okay. You'll die young, but, you know.
He'll die free. Yes, yes, he will.
Yeah. That's a good point. And let us see who is that first.
I would bet on death.
But anyway, so this is the point.
When America was starting...
Being conquered by all the leftists, even the bureaucracy in the United States, even the politicians.
When the United States started becoming more blue and less red, Brazil was important only for the left.
And why is that? Because they needed to use Brazil as Paulo said as a lab and an
ally. For example BRICS. BRICS is a organization B for Brazil R for
Russia U I for India C for China and S for South Africa.
And their Their goal is to destroy US dollar.
So for the left, Brazil is very important.
They want to destroy the United States through Brazil.
Right. So if the patriot Americans...
I think there's an important point to be made.
The difference on foreign policy between conservatives and leftists.
Yeah. So the leftists always had this big concern with their national community, right?
So the globalists are pretty much leftists.
Yeah. The conservatives in the U.S., they always had this tension between the non-interventionists or isolationists and the interventionists.
So you have this tension of, like, one side you have the crazy neocons, like, let's export democracy to Iraq.
Just saying the words sounds so silly, doesn't it?
Like, let's export them. You know where they want democracy?
Iraq. Right.
And on the other side, you have, well, people say America first, but some people...
I'm all for America first, but some people mean American only.
Exactly. And, well, the world is not a beautiful place, so if America's not there, someone else will be.
And so because of that, I think the conservatives in the United States are concerned with the United States.
Right. The left is well-connected everywhere.
So they do have an actual network.
And I guess that goes to what he was saying.
Yeah, so the left is now...
They really know how important Brazil is to destroy the United States.
So that should be the most concern for American people.
Understanding how it is important to see what they do in Brazil and how the bad things develop in Brazil.
Like, for example, the health care in the United States.
The leftists here, they sell an idea that...
If the health insurance could be only public, like public schools, that would work.
So go to Brazil and you're going to see how f***ed up it is.
That's what happened with Canada, with me.
I think Canada is the best example of that.
And Michael Moore said that Cuba had a better health care system, but he's a dumb fat f***.
That was actual propaganda.
Yes, no, it absolutely was. That was propaganda.
Of course it was, and he bought into it.
And so my first investigative piece, I was with a company called PJTV in LA, and I said, this was before you even had access to hidden cameras.
I said, I know the hospitals I went to and the clinics, so I just took it, and it was like, you know, an old camera in a hat.
Really? Yeah. And I went undercover.
It was ridiculous.
And I just showed people like, yeah, broken arm.
We waited for, I think it was eight or nine hours in an emergency room and no one saw us.
To get penicillin, you would be dazed.
To get a blood test, three years to get a family doctor because there weren't enough doctors.
And then I was accused of propaganda, so I followed it up.
And now it's since basically collapsed where they've conceded it in Canada, which is interesting that you say, not to misquote you, but that Brazil is in some ways a petri dish testing some of these ideas.
That's very much what Canada is.
That's how I saw it because it's so similar to the United States.
Yeah. It's basically America light.
And you see it not work there.
And I'll see Americans praise it.
And you see that now with the left praising the recent election and your leadership now in Brazil.
How close do you think... The left is, right now, we know historically how important it is, but at this moment in time, the left is to tipping Brazil, and does that cause other dominoes to fall?
Oh, I can absolutely say that Lula wouldn't be president of Brazil, communist Lula, the current president of Brazil, he wouldn't be president if he wasn't for the US left.
And I mean that, that's hard to dispute.
Right. On the point that, well, for example, Well, Lula won the election.
That's what we were told, that he won the election.
And we have all the problems with the Brazilian electoral system.
If you think in the U.S. it's bad, Brazil is way worse.
Well, I can imagine. Yeah. Well, first of all, it's fully electronic.
So 100% electronic with no paper trail.
Second, everything is decided by a centralized federal court, which is the superior electoral court.
The man who was in charge of this court was Bolsonaro's sworn enemy, Demo Rice.
The bald guy looks like a James Bond villain.
Or Voldemort, as Elon Musk likes to say.
And that's bad enough.
But one of the things that they were able to make was completely censored conservative speech since, I don't know, 2020?
Yeah. And especially in 2022.
Completely. And the way they started doing that is like, for example, we have access to public documents showing meetings between technicians from this electoral court, meeting with FBI agents, FBI, U.S., United States FBI agents, where they were teaching them how to, quote unquote, combat disinformation.
Right. So everything that was done behind the scenes here, and we didn't know in the US, like the Hunter Biden laptop, it was being hidden while they sent FBI agents to talk to them to not publish the story that would probably, in Brazil, that was done by a court order.
So the stories were being censored by the order of the Supreme Court, which is the highest court in the land.
Right. So all that framework came from the United States.
The theoretical framework to come up with, to justify all that, was the Atlantic Council, is a U.S. NGO funded by George Soros, was the one in Brazil working with them.
George Soros funded most of the initiatives in Brazil That censored conservatives and worked with the Superior Electoral Court to censor conservatives in Brazil.
So you have the deep state and US NGOs and Georgia is like a conspiracy theorist.
And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
But that's a fact.
And you had, at one point...
You had the Biden administration openly working to make sure no one disputed the electoral results in Brazil.
They did the same thing here with big tech.
If you at home think I'm crazy, just...
Look at the Financial Times article.
They have an article bragging about how the U.S., the discrete campaign to save Brazilian elections.
They brag about it.
The fact that the U.S. sent the CIA Director William Burns, the Chief of the Southern Command, the General Chief of the Southern Command, Jake Sullivan, to put pressure on Brazilian public officials and even military leaders to not challenge the electoral results in Brazil.
So what I'm saying is, and even, I talked to a lot of military leaders during the election, and they said, they actually said, if we challenge the elections, the Americans will sanction us, and that will destroy our country.
So we can't challenge them.
Right. So, and that's the only reason why, not the only reason, but the main reason why we have a dictator in Brazil that's able to do whatever he wants, because he has support of the U.S. left.
There is a silver lining. At least you have electronics in Brazil.
Electronics? Yeah, your whole elections are rigged electronically, but at least you have computers in Brazil.
We know the results. Oh, yeah. A lot of countries right around cannot claim the same.
Well, you don't want our computers.
No. You don't.
Does it fill up a whole room?
Yeah, like mainframes?
Yeah, exactly. No, we don't know.
Because they're secret. The electrical computers are secret.
All the elections counted in a secret computer secret.
They call it the secret room.
Am I? No.
No, it's true, right? All the elections counted in a secret room that only a handful of people have access to.
And the truth is you can't know the result.
Of course. In other words, you're saying like, that's what we were told, but it's a legitimate thing to say because there's really no way of knowing.
No, before the result, how can you prove that your vote is really the vote they are counting?
Right. There is no way.
There is no way. And that's a good example of a parallel to the United States.
That's what the left would have here in the U.S. They wanted to.
They had a bill.
They still want to. They still want to.
Yeah. A fully centralized and electronic system.
That's federalized.
That's their dream come true.
And it happens in Brazil. Right.
And right now we have a population, probably half of the Brazilian population, including,
that's an actual number, 82% of Bolsonaro voters think the election will be a success.
was stolen. Right. 82% and all these people are being silenced.
I'm talking about a country that has 220 million people. Right. Half of
them voted for Bolsonaro, half of them voted for Lula.
Yeah. Supposedly.
Right. 82% of people that say they voted for Bolsonaro say, we think the election was stolen.
And these people can't say it.
Because in the U.S., because of First Amendment, thank God, I can wear a shirt saying the election was stolen.
I can sell a shirt saying the election was stolen.
Just not on YouTube. Not on YouTube, of course.
Right. But you can say it.
You don't go to prison. If you say that in Brazil, you will go to prison.
Why did you go to prison?
So I went to the U.S. prison for a different reason.
It wasn't rape? No, no, no.
And you weren't raped? I was not.
Not that I know. As far as I know.
I drank a lot when I was young.
I used to drink a lot, so maybe I was.
No, it was a completely different issue.
I was on real estate in Brazil, and I partnered up with the Trump Organization to develop a hotel in Rio.
And it was a Trump Hotel Rio.
We started a partnership in 2012.
In 2016, the two days after Donald Trump won the election in the U.S., the Brazilian Department of Justice opened an investigation against all assets that Donald Trump was related to in Brazil.
It's like two days after.
And because of that, I was the CEO of one of the companies, and they arrested me, and they openly said, Oh, we don't care about you.
Although it's good that you come from a known family name so we bring attention to the case.
Right. You don't need to go through this.
Give us anything on Donald Trump and we'll let you go free.
Right. But I was living here in the U.S. Already.
So I said, yeah, screw you.
I don't have anything against Donald Trump.
They didn't do anything wrong.
And so they issued an arrest warrant.
I got to spend nine months or eight and a half months on the Interpol Red Notice list.
When they did that, I was in the U.S. waiting for my green card, and I was under a journalist's visa still.
They canceled my U.S. visa.
And the ICE said, well, now you're here in this country illegally.
Who cares, though? They allow terrorists to be here illegally.
That was in the Trump administration.
Oh, yeah. Rule of law and whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they said, well, you're...
So the ICE rang the doorbell of my house and they took me...
They arrested me and I spent 17 days in Chrome in Miami.
So, yeah. How was that?
That was probably one of the best things that happened in my life.
I really enjoyed being raped.
No, it's like...
Breaking bad.
Right. Some people do.
I mean, look, I wouldn't say this is a judgment-free zone, but you have my curiosity.
Had you been doing jujitsu before jail?
Yeah. Oh, okay. All right.
I don't know if it really works when someone sharpens a...
You know what? What happened then was that I had my name, and I come from a very traditional family in Brazil.
I'm a grandson of a president.
Right. So... So I had my name on all the shows, like CBS Evening News, saying, well, the grandson of the former president was arrested for corruption for being associated with Donald Trump.
He was just arrested in Miami.
I had my name in all the newspapers as being corrupt.
And I was like, okay.
Well, just so people know, in the House, by the end of the case, it terminated the case against me.
They said I was completely bull**** and I shouldn't be charged since the beginning.
It doesn't matter. They accomplished what they set out to, to damage your reputation.
They want us to ensure that people don't trust you as a journalist going forward, and they felt like they accomplished that.
It doesn't matter if it sticks. But that's the best thing that can happen to you.
Because then you stop thinking about your reputation and just don't care anymore.
And you say, well, is this the worst thing they can do to me?
I was, at the end of the 17 days in prison, I swear to you, I was friends of everyone inside.
Oh really? Yes. I was clapped when I was leaving.
Like, people crying. What did you do?
Well, that's what I was going to say.
That's not normal. It's one thing if, like, you know, you manage to keep your...
That doesn't matter. What are you doing in Vegas?
Stay in Vegas? I was going to say, if they're clapping for you leaving, that means they're going to miss you.
You're going to get some phone calls when they get out.
Well, I made some friends.
Believe it or not, the son-in-law of a former president of Egypt was in prison with me.
Oh, really? Yes. And the guy was put in the red notice because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
That put his name on the Red Notice and he was living in the U.S. And because the Trump administration had this very stupid policy of arresting everyone that was on the Red Notice to be deported.
It was like, you don't know how weaponized the Red Notice is.
I think he should suspect right now because the Iran tried to put Donald Trump on the Red Notice.
Right, yeah. And the Red Notice works like the government just put your name in there and that's it, period.
Mm-hmm. So people need to understand that.
I mean, they don't need to prove anything.
Yeah. Meanwhile, they vet and approve of actual ISIS terrorists who are coming here through their CPP system in the United States.
That was the craziest thing when you looked at these terrorists who were caught in the United States, illegal immigrants.
They were already vetted and approved.
So it's not like they're actually—it's a thorough process, or—they can't claim it's a thorough process, and they can't claim that it was an honest mistake, because it just seems to be based on the political points of view of the people who end up there.
Like, you can't accidentally—oh, sorry, some ISIS terrorists got through, like, eight, and sorry, accidentally, this guy goes in.
At a certain point, you know, it all adds up.
It does. But it was—I mean— It changed me completely as a person, and I do believe God makes that as part of His plans.
And to me, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Because when I was able to get out of the...
Of course, 17 days is awful.
I have two small kids, and there were babies back then.
But when I laughed, I felt like, okay, so now there's nothing they can do against me.
And they went after me several times trying to destroy my reputation.
I was like, I've been canceled before.
There's nothing. You have nothing on me.
You know the scene from Batman The Dark Knight where Batman holds the Joker and he starts smashing the Joker and the Joker laughs and says, all your power, you have nothing against me.
Right, yeah. You have nothing against me.
What leverage do they have? What leverage?
Exactly. Because that's all they have.
They go after you. They get your money.
It's like, I don't care about none of this anymore.
Right. What about Alan?
You haven't done a hard time, right?
In jail? No, not in jail.
But he's on the Interpol Red Notice.
You are on the Interpol. Well, you're canceled from almost...
So you and I share your band from PayPal.
Yeah, PayPal, YouTube.
YouTube. What about Shopify? Well, I don't know if you remember...
OnlyFans. Oh, that's right.
OnlyFans? That requires...
Elon Musk laughed a lot.
Explaining. But good for you.
Yeah, so what happened was...
First, I was banned from YouTube, and the reason was ridiculous.
I post a video from C-SPAN, Trump explaining that he wants everything peaceful.
Remember the first time he showed up?
Peacefully and patriotically. Yes.
It was on after January 6th.
And that was a C-SPAN video, okay?
Right. And the YouTube tagged that video, a promotion of a criminal organization.
Just let this sink in for a second.
YouTube banned a journalist in Brazil speaking Portuguese because he published the video of Donald Trump after January 6th.
In Brazil. A video that was...
From C-SPAN. C-SPAN video.
Yep. A state company of the United States.
Yep. We had that happen with us, too.
But in Brazil.
Why would they care about it?
About a U.S. election.
Yeah. Is it about, how comes that, oh, it's to guarantee public safety in Brazil?
In the video about Canal in Cuba asking to beat the riots in Cuba was on air.
Right, yeah. So it's totally political.
So that was the first time we lost our YouTube channel.
I won Google in Brazilian court.
So my channel got back.
Only in Brazil.
Let me guess, not monetized.
Not monetized. And I won a case against Google in Brazil.
So my channel got back only in Brazil, not outside of Brazil.
And then I decided to cover the US election.
But before I decided that, I just came in Brazil.
I was just coming back from CPAC. 2020.
And the MRI sees my house.
My wife was pregnant.
Raid at his house. Raid at his house.
Raid at his house. At least at your house they rang the doorbell.
Ice. Ice. Different.
But not mine.
No, not yours. No, the Brazilian federal police actually raided his house with rifles and at gunpoint with his wife pregnant.
My wife was pregnant.
Nine months pregnant. And the second raid...
Pedro, who was the womb of my wife, he was just born.
I mean, I had two raids between two months.
And were both of these raids predicated on that C-SPAN video?
No, no, no. This is about fake news, inquiry in the Supreme Court in Brazil.
And after that happened, I was talking to people in Brazil.
People are not going to understand that.
Yeah, it's crazy. And it's very hard to unpack.
No, it's crazy because Bolsonaro was president back then.
Bolsonaro was president, yeah.
But in a nutshell, the Brazilian Supreme Court...
Moraes. Moraes is the chief, the rapporteur of this investigation.
They open, it's a court that opened an investigation against fake news in the country.
So because of that investigation, that's the one that Elon Musk is now being investigated in Brazil.
Yeah, he's in the same inquiry.
In the same inquiry, same probe.
They opened this probe And it's the Supreme Court.
So when he says, well, the Supreme Court raided, the federal police raided my house, they raided his house on orders of demorize on the Supreme Court.
So it's like, I don't know, Alito decided to start raiding someone else's house to investigate fake news, and there's nothing in the Brazilian law about fake news.
Without trial, without indictment, nothing.
I never have been indicted or in a trial about fake news or something like that.
Right. So they raid my house twice.
I saw that Brazil was going down in the hill in direction to the hell.
And I said, okay, now I'm more decided to cover the U.S. election.
And I was thinking about improving my company and to grow my company for the U.S. audience.
1.3 million followers, my channel used to be back then.
and when I started to do these things here in the United States, they decided to order my arrest.
It's extradiction, I'll say. Yeah, so arrest. Which the US government denied. Yeah, US denied.
That's nice. Yeah, take the small wins. Department of Justice. Yeah. We had an idiot mayor from
Detroit who may or may not have killed hookers in the mayoral mansion with his wife, and then he
landed in Texas and he was surprised that he was arrested.
I was like, you think they have to extradite you?
Detroit to Texas? So I'm familiar a little bit with extradition laws, but I'm glad to hear that the Biden administration didn't grant it.
It's actually interesting.
They sent, because Brazil made a big case out of it, there was a Russian asset.
Lula da Silva said to his partners and government people, the news says...
We have got some source from the government saying Lula da Silva wants to exchange Alan dos Santos with the Russian agent that the United States wants.
It's such a bad trade.
That's like Brittany Griner for the Merchant of Death.
I don't care what your...
That's not a good trade.
A shitty basketball player?
It shows how much they want an Allen.
Yeah. They hate me a lot.
Yeah. So then...
They hate me a lot.
Basically trying to end your life, but these are the waters we swim in, right?
Sometimes it sounds outlandish or unbelievable to people.
It's not to you because you've been through it.
It's not to you because you've been through it, but there are people out there who are just like, oh, okay, this is drama.
No, this happens.
People are silenced. People lose their livelihoods.
Wars were fought over significantly less.
We are that frog in a boiling pot.
You have no idea how fast things collapse.
But I stood up, and I stood up, and I fought back.
For example, the day they raid my house, I went in front of the Supreme Court building, and I put my middle finger on it, and I took a picture.
And when the MRIs ordered my arrest, I went to the Disney, in front of the Mickey Mouse and Minnie and all that stuff, and I said, you want to know where I am at?
You can ask Mickey, Minnie.
You can ask... I wonder why they hate him so much.
Now you know why they hate me.
I appreciate it. Because once you comply with fear, they go forward.
Right. And they go after your friends and after your family and so forth.
You need to stand...
Yeah, and say get the f*** out of here.
Yeah, you're fighting against a man a father of a family I'm not your your cheese in and the people you are used to to Yellow and they just knew right in front of you I'm not these kind of a shit you are used to there so and there are so many people both in the United States and I will say in Brazil to it being around enough Brazilians, but what I've noticed is a lot of them have that sort of that They want to have that freedom mindset, but they just don't.
There's a kernel of it, but they don't really know what's happening.
A lot of Brazilians here in the United States, in my experience.
And their eyes can be opened if you explain it to them.
But it seems like a lot of Brazilians, at least here stateside, don't take a super active role.
And it's kind of like, eh, it's not an interest of mine.
Which obviously is a lot of Americans, but that's been my experience.
But Brazil works the same way.
I mean, if you are in Brazil, you don't know anything about Argentina election or politicians.
But he means Brazilian. I mean, Brazilians haven't taken a huge interest in Brazilian politics.
But it's a domestic thing.
What Paulo said in the beginning is very important.
People... I mean, let us put it this way.
Every Brazilian, every American, every Canadian, they have their own domestic problem to solve.
And because we are not internationalists like the Marxists, because to be a Marxist, you need to be internationalists.
So we care about our country, but if we care about our country and we do not pay attention to what is going on outside...
You are the next victim of the Marxists because they're working together.
So if our enemy is working together, we need to find a way to work.
I don't like the word working together, but we need to find a way to know each other and see what our enemy is doing because the enemy is the same.
The problems are the same.
I mean, what they are doing against Brazil, what they are doing against Argentina, what they are doing against Chile, they are doing against the U.S. people too.
So, if the American people see what is going on in the United States, they could understand better how to solve their own problems.
For example, I'm going to put one problem here that's very common among Americans, and I saw this movie before in Brazil.
Yes. You said one problem very common in America.
I thought it was obesity. Obesity, no.
So, for example, communists, they basically do not create problems.
They master how to see a problem inside the society, and they boost the problem.
Right. So they are not the creator of the problems.
Because what kind of discussion problem do you have in North Korea?
Right? None.
Because people over there cannot complain, they cannot discuss, they cannot debate.
So you just have this kind of a conflict in free countries, right?
So what communism does is...
A communist agent...
He looked at the issue, the problem, he pretended to help both sides and boost the problem to a certain point that would be unsolvable.
You cannot solve the problem.
The government steps in and now here's your savior.
Yeah. And doing it, they are very good at putting disagreement.
Not disagreement. I mean, they know how to make friends fight against each other.
Right. Like, for example, let us say in Brazil right now, we have people willing to go to the street, right?
Right. We're good to go.
I see the same thing in the United States.
People fighting against each other just because of the...
This is a figure of speech, but I don't like your mustache.
I don't like your beard.
I don't like your hairstyle.
I don't like the way you dress.
I don't like the way you talk.
And then they make a deal.
They make a big deal on this stuff while the enemy is getting stronger.
Right. Well, let's talk about the enemy getting stronger.
So Lula has buddied up, for people who don't realize, I think Americans can be removed from this a little bit because we have such a big country, right?
And even then, if you go to sort of North America, you're still talking about the United States and people who are kind of ancillary, right?
Where you are surrounded by a bunch of other countries where you either have to have alliances or in some cases in South America, right?
You have enemies. With Lula, he's buddied up with, people may not realize this, Brazil, most important country in South America, a lot of other dictators, right?
That's something that people may not necessarily realize.
So, is it Venezuela?
There's talk about invading Guyana.
And is that because of oil reserves?
Effectively? Yes. So what would happen, for example, that's Maduro, for people who don't remember, by the way.
Would Lula be a supporter of Maduro, for example, in that kind of a conflict?
Because that's the kind of a conflict that Americans would be removed from.
At least coverly.
I would say now, and that's how crazy it is, and that connects to what I was saying in the beginning.
I think if World War III happened now, Brazil wouldn't be on the side of the United States.
At all? I don't want to say it would necessarily openly support the other side with China and whoever, but it wouldn't be on the U.S. side.
It would maybe be neutral and helping China behind the scenes, but definitely wouldn't be...
But if World War III broke out with Biden as president, I think he'd be on China's side.
At least half of the Democrats would be on China's side.
Yeah. No, I've said that about America, too, where for the first time, at least in my lifetime, you know, we're a flawed country, but in many ways, we could find ourselves on the wrong side of history.
I mean, we find ourselves on the wrong side of history in mutilating and transitioning children.
We find ourselves on the wrong side of history of kneecapping people who are protecting their own citizens who've been kidnapped and raped, you know, when you're talking about it.
We're on the wrong side of history when you look at propping up corrupt governments.
And I'm not saying that Russia in any way is noble, but I'm saying if you look at the history of Ukraine, what we've done in the United States.
But they use that. Right.
They use it. They use it.
And they say, look, look how crazy these guys became.
We're the good guys. Right.
We're the good guys. We're not mutilating our children.
We know the difference between men and women.
We don't allow drug addicts having supervised heroin taken like they do in New York.
Right. The world used to be like that.
You used to be able to look at America and see, well, is that the motto I want to follow?
Or look at the Soviet Union and see, well, is that the motto I'm going to follow?
And the U.S. used to be the free world, so everybody would look up to America.
Now, if you're in Brazil and you look up to America, is that the motto I want to follow?
No, maybe no. Maybe I want to follow the Russian or the Chinese motto.
It's less freedom, but look at what all this freedom did to the United States.
Right. And all that's done on purpose.
Right. It's a fact.
You can read The Naked Communist, 1958, and you see everything was planned to happen this way.
Let's destroy the family.
Let's destroy church.
Let's destroy society.
Let's take over the unions.
Let's take over the media outlets.
It was all planned. Right.
So nothing that's happening in the United States is by...
Right. It's not that they were lucky.
They infiltrated agents, the Soviet Union infiltrated agents.
To this day, the crazy environmental propaganda.
We have enough evidence that Russians supported a lot of NGOs in the United States and in Europe with this crazy environmental agenda.
Mm-hmm. And the Chinese did it well.
How many U.S. university work programs are funded by China, directly or indirectly?
Right. Do you know who the biggest funder, the biggest foreign entity, well, the biggest foreign funder of American Education Institute, do you know who it is?
It's Qatar. Guitar, it's not even close.
You want to say that they share values?
That's the problem with the whole hold hands, we are the world.
I talk about this all the time. It sounds nice, but we are not the world.
The world has been at war since the beginning of time.
There is nothing virtuous about saying we are the world.
Well, hold on a second. The world includes child sex trafficking, and not only legal, but mandated in certain places.
Child brides. The world is an evil, dark, f***ing place.
Pardon my language, but to drive that point home.
So to say we are the world is to say we're tolerant of the deepest, darkest evils that exist in the world.
And I don't think that people give that a lot of thought.
And it brings me to another point.
So Brazil, okay, this is a tough pill to swallow.
But you also see, I mean, my personal favorite, Malay, right, when you talk about Argentina.
It's our favorite, too. Yeah, is it?
Okay. I forget the name of El Salvador.
Bukele? Yes. Yeah, I was just speaking with a lady, a teller at the bank about him.
She was El Salvadorian, and she said, oh, yeah, we're big, big, big fans.
Is there, outside of Brazil, is there potentially a red wave?
And would that kind of, let's say, alliance be enough to stop...
Someone like Alula and Maduro if they were to become an alliance.
Like, is there enough to stop the storm that's coming?
Well, there's a book I like a lot.
It's called National Populism, The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy.
It was written by two leftists, like semi-liberal guys, professors.
Yeah, it's like leftists.
But the book's very good.
And they say, well, what's going on in the world right now is that people were just fed up with this so-called liberal democracy when you see all these big corporations making billions of dollars.
And you see all these people in power getting away with stuff and doing whatever they want.
And you see all these bureaucrats that we don't elect making rules that change our lives.
That was true in Europe.
Revolted. You see all the people, the blue-collar workers, the farmers, they were like, we don't agree with that.
And these guys are getting away with stuff, and they're getting richer and more powerful, and we have no say in our own lives.
So they revolted.
And you see that starting in 2015 with the Brexit in Europe, and you see the Donald Trump in the U.S., and you have Macri in Argentina before Millet, and you had...
Of course, Bolsonaro and Brazil and a bunch of populist conservatives won.
What happened after that?
Well, after that, the left said, well, it looks like we're not going to win elections anymore.
There's something going on that we didn't notice because we used to control the media.
We used to control Hollywood.
How come they're winning elections?
Oh, well, that's because of social media.
So they started to do two things.
One was, well, let's censor conservative speech.
And let's try to influence the electoral process as much as we can.
And then you had COVID.
And during the pandemic.
You saw all the liberties, like, disappear.
It's like, you have taxes, like, keeping people in their homes.
Yeah, and I was going to say not enough of a fight put up by American conservatives.
It took some time.
Yeah, they were broadcasting from their basement.
I had conservative people out there call me, because we started doing two-a-days.
We did mug club quarantine, where we did two shows a day as opposed to one.
I remember that. And I had people call me up on the scene and say, you know, you really shouldn't do that.
This is why we lose, because people like you make us seem crazy.
I'm going, I make you seem crazy by...
I had a conversation with everyone at this office, and I said, look, this is happening.
I know that some of you guys are removed from this, but, you know, this is how we keep the lights on.
And if you don't want to come in, we will keep you on staff as long as we can.
But I'm going to come into work.
Who wants to come into work?
And I want to do two-a-days. Everyone said, yep, let's go.
So for me to get those calls and for me to get those texts from other conservatives, either broadcasting from their basement or producing from staying at home, that changed me.
It fundamentally changed me because that is something that I kind of can't take.
I expect the left, you know, I was a scorpion when you met me.
But I thought we were all on the same team and we weren't.
That really only happens because you still have half the country who really should, or they do at least believe what we believe, but not the people who carry their mantle.
There shouldn't be a lockdown in Texas.
I mean, we were in Florida, so it was a little bit better, but even in Florida we had like a little less than two months of lockdown.
Right. What happened on that is that, well, a lot of small business never recovered.
Never. Never. A lot of people lost their job.
You had a lot of family problems with drugs, with alcohol, psychiatric problems as well.
Sure. Kids that never got the proper development, and they will never recover from these years.
You don't get those formative years back.
Exactly. And people, instead of getting less revolted with the, let's call it establishment, They got more revoted.
And now, if you look at what happened in the elections in Europe, it's mind-blowing.
Because Europe is the place of leftism.
It's like everyone in Europe is secular, leftist.
They control everything.
And even controlling everything, they managed to lose the European election for the parliament.
And you're seeing more and more conservative right-wing parties winning in Europe.
Of course, you had Orban in Hungary, but you had Meloni in Italy.
You had the Siga in Portugal.
You had the Vox in Spain.
And the conservatives were gaining space there.
And if you look right now, You have in Argentina, Millet, which became a rock star.
Bukele winning with like 90-something percent of the ballots.
Right. And if you look at all the polls, Bolsonaro, even, he can't run legally, he can't run for president anymore.
Yeah, of course not. But he's still, yeah, because they...
They know he'd win. Exactly.
He's winning all the polls.
Just look at this, I keep saying this, if Donald...
If Bolsonaro goes to the street, and if he calls people to go to the street, that's going to be massive.
Last time he did it, we had one million people on the streets of Sao Paulo.
That was like a couple months ago.
Their argument is...
Because the leftists want to destroy sovereignty in every country.
The globalists left, they want to destroy the sovereignty in every country.
They have this revolutionary idea that they know better what people want.
Right. So they have this kind of idea that people are so dumb and so childish, they cannot decide what is good for them anymore.
So they want to destroy the sovereignty and make...
They keep the name country, but it's not a country anymore.
It's not a nation.
So the change that has been made in their perspective, and I'm saying that because we
need to discuss about it to American people.
Yes. We need to apply what the UN decided.
Not what the Congress decided for their own people.
We need to pay attention on it because there is no other country in the world that has a medicine or remedy for that unless the United States.
And this is because of the United States Constitution.
Paulo used a figure of speech that I love.
The virus is the same.
The virus that they apply in Brazil, in the United States, in every country, the virus is the same.
And the time they have been applied this virus is the same too.
But the problem is, the problem for the left is, the United States immune system is way stronger than any other country.
Why? Because the United States Constitution was never repeated.
Not even French Revolution.
People think, oh, French Revolution started after the United States and then it's a good republic.
It's not at all. Those are people who haven't really studied the French Revolution and its results, right?
They've seen Les Miserables and they go, you have no idea what it happened.
Paul was saying democracy could be, what did he say?
Democracy would be gone or dead?
Yeah, it could be over.
We had a good run.
For me, I hate the word democracy because words can be used in different sense, different meanings.
And the United States doesn't have the democracy word in the Constitution for a reason.
And republic is the word.
And republic is not the opposite of monarchy, by the way.
I mean, if you go back to the scholasticism text or even the modern time, I mean, I'm talking about 18th century or 17th century, the word republic was used for the common good.
And the United States is the only one country in the world that people put a finger in the face of government.
You can't do this, you can't do that.
And we do not have that kind of constitution in other countries.
So in order to reproduce the revolution the communists or the liberals are doing
in the whole world the United States is the only one place that can fight back.
So what Paulo said and people here in the United States need to understand that if
this country the only one country that has the medicine the tool the way to
fight back if this country falls there is no other place.
So and then we need to go to Elon Musk and say how to go to Mars. Let me ask
you before it before we go on because we will go to Mug Club too but you know give
me some examples of the American left in Brazil because you touched on that.
And I do have just a handful of notes here, but like the Sao Paulo reform and, for example, the road to socialism, where these sort of experiments, specifically the United States, the American left, sticking their oar in, in Brazil.
Yeah, so Sao Paulo's Forum was created back in 1990 by Fidel Castro and Lula da Silva.
They created this forum to make the socialists...
It's a meeting. Yeah, it's a meeting in South America to make the communists not depending that much from Russia anymore.
Right. So Castro and Lula, they had this kind of dream that we can do what Russia is giving up to with the perestroika and other stuff.
I think your audience will understand per strike, right?
Right, yeah, yeah. Okay, so...
Also that the Russians were banging too many of their Cuban women.
That was probably part of the motivation.
They're smart of them. Yeah, they were showing up, they were going like, oh, what is this?
Cubans are way better than Russians.
Yes, generally. And when they created this organization, this criminal organization, they want to work together with the drug dealers and taking over the bureaucracy inside every country and taking over of the countries through election, not through army and revolution anymore.
So not through violence, but through corruption.
And when they did it, they have been helped by a lot of socialists in the United States.
So you mentioned on road socialism.
Road socialism is a program written in the Communist Party of the United States.
So if you don't believe in me, go to the Communist Party of the United States program called Road Socialism.
And that was way before Macri and before Donald Trump.
And they named the countries that could turn into right-wing, they say Nazi.
So I'm translating.
So they knew that something could happen in Chile, Argentina, and Brazil.
Again, the ABC countries.
And in order to stop the right-wing people, they knew they needed to have the help From the socialist United States.
So this is why Bernie Sanders personally named the officer that could be in the US ambassador in Brazil.
So Bernie Sanders, he did it.
Also a big supporter of Chavez.
People didn't remember Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, he's totally, he's a fully communist.
Yes. And he has connection in Brazil.
Very well connected.
Very well connected. Bernie Sanders?
Yes. Bernie Sanders. What Paulo was trying to do in the U.S. Congress to put a light in the Brazilian situation, Brazilian tyranny, he was facing a hard time to talk with the Congress right-wing politicians in the United States because they have no clue about anything in Brazil.
But one week before...
Believe it or not, other than Chris Smith...
No one even wanted to listen. Now they do a little bit. It's better.
But the Christmas, which is a congressman from New Jersey, a Republican,
he was the only one that, since the beginning, was like, oh, this is a serious human rights issue.
And he started gathering a little bit of support.
But I think the point Alan is making is that the Brazilian left, they come to the U.S.,
they get meetings immediately with Bernie Sanders, senators.
They get resolutions approved in Senate.
They get red carpet treatment in the United States.
The Brazilian conservatives, I came with a delegation of 20 Brazilian congressmen to the Capitol, and we couldn't get a hearing with a congressman, with a single congressman from the Republicans.
It doesn't surprise me. I wish it did, but it doesn't.
Exactly. So what he's saying is that the left has all the connections in place.
They support... Soros is funding all the left's initiatives in Brazil.
We don't have any billionaire, not even fracking billionaires, supporting conservatives in Brazil.
Right. At all. Again, because of this difference on philosophy.
And by the way, to frame... We're doing it very poorly.
Yeah. Elon Musk won't even remove the sanctions.
No, I don't even have a Tesla.
You got some right.
Yeah.
But no, that's the thing is the right, and I will say this too, you know,
kind of if this analogy is apt with the left, have you ever had someone in your family
who's just a master manipulator, someone who will constantly,
and you'll notice with these people, they will be really close with someone one second,
and then they're really close with somebody else, and they'll turn you against each other,
and you'll see it within a family, like why is she or he really close with my sister,
and now they're no longer friends, or my best friend, and they're no longer friends,
and then five years later, all of a sudden they're best friends again.
The left is really quick to, oh wait, a potential ally, all right, let's use them.
That's where globalism comes in handy, because you can now,
since you don't care about your own national interests, A globalist in America has the same problem as a globalist in Brazil.
Globalist in Brazil doesn't give a shit about Brazil any more than the globalist in America cares about America.
So everyone else outside is a useful tool.
And today, that could be Argentina, that could be Venezuela, tomorrow maybe Chile.
Maybe tomorrow it's Canada.
Because you have no loyalty.
You don't care. And so you can use all of these alliances that are interchangeable to manipulate because your true north is not some kind of national interest.
And it is kind of an anchor.
And they make a lot of money in the meantime.
And they do, yes. And there's no anchor to almost an albatross around the neck of conservatives because they do ultimately have to, if they are true conservatives, come back to caring about the nation.
And so that does cut out a good portion of the globe.
As an ally that you can just use and manipulate.
You know who was number two ally in the U.S. Senate of Lula?
Of Lula? Yeah. Number one was Bernie Sanders.
Number two was Bob Menendez.
Oh. I used to debate his daughter every single weekend on Fox News.
Really? We had a segment.
Oh, yeah. Is she her daughter?
Yeah, Bob Menendez's daughter.
Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.
And then they told her she's- The Democrats has a lot of parents.
Yeah. And then one day they said she doesn't want to do it anymore.
Okay. So the segment was gone.
I was like, well, can we find someone else? Like, I don't know, maybe.
Maybe she got some gold bars.
Yeah, exactly. She could be.
It's funny that a Democrat was the one.
It's usually the Republicans who are selling gold.
But I do want to continue this on Mug Club.
Alan DeSantos and Paulo Figueiredo, just before we go, let people know where to follow.
I know your show was on Rumble, and you have two X's.
We'll put those up. Alan, best place for people to support you.
Yes, it's on my Twitter, on my Axe.
You still say Twitter sometimes.
You would have to say Axe formally known as Twitter.
Yes, exactly. But I would like to just make a statement here.
Yes. I passed three and a half years without my daughter and my family waiting them here because of the tyranny I faced in Brazil.
If the US want to understand how dangerous is to become Brazil, and if they think that never would happen to them, be careful.
Because what they are doing here in the United States is entirely what we face in Brazil.
We are just like, you know, back to the future and stuff.
It's just like, guys, be careful.
What happened in our country, it is happening here.
And we see every single move is the same.
Every single move.
So be careful.
Brazil is a cautionary tale.
Yes. The US left is as crazy as the Brazilian left.
The only difference is that the immune system in the US is stronger than Brazil.
Yep. No, you're absolutely right.
And coming from Canada, I've lived that far too closely, where I tell people a different way of saying that.
I say, look, don't look to what the left does in this country.
Look to what they would do if left completely unfettered.
You see Canada. You see places where there were actual quarantine camps.
You see Brazil. Don't look to what the left can accomplish with the immune system we have.
Look to what the left can accomplish in this country if they successfully do away with the
immune system. And we already have sexual mutilation of six-year-old boys and girls.
And we already have funding of foreign wars. And we already have elections that at the very least
are not transparent. We already have that right now. And they do not have the unfettered power
that they want. So it is... And it's changing fast. Yeah.
It's more fragile than people realize.
Way more fragile. I've been in this country for 10 years.
They take the Supreme Court, it's gone.
It's gone. The Supreme Court is like, it's really, really important.
Yeah. Or if they win the next election, if they were to win it, steal it, and then pack the court and add seats.
That result is the same.
It's the same? It's absolutely terrifying.
Well, I want to continue this on Mug Club, and it's not just a cautionary tale, right?
It could end up Going the right way of history with Brazil and the United States.
Right now it's a little bit tough, but Malay's fun.
He looks like a Dickens character.
I'm an optimist. Yes.
I'm an optimist. I think Donald Trump will be elected, and I think the world will, for the first time, fight back the establishment a little bit.
Yeah. I hope so.
I hope so. I know that he would if the Constitution was still worth the paper that it's printed on today.
Donald Trump wins. We all know that.
And the left knows that. It's kind of like, you know, and we'll talk about this fighting and jujitsu, and we'll get there because you're wrong.
But you don't just look to what the fighters...
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