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June 5, 2024 - Louder with Crowder
01:03:57
"I Hate Big Government" | Ash Wednesday with Nigel Farage
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I'm glad to be with you and glad to have our guest here.
We don't do Ash Wednesdays all the time, but I don't even know how to introduce this gentleman.
He's been on the show many times.
You probably know him as Mr. Brexit, largely known as the architect of Brexit, and he's been involved in politics for decades at this point.
He's still making the rounds.
He may have some plans here coming up in the The next couple of years, I don't want to, I don't know, I don't want to foreshadow and overstep my bounds, but Mr. Nigel Farage, where's the website?
nfarage.com is where you can find me and everything I do.
And you know, I'm busy broadcasting and traveling and speaking, but yeah, there's some talk I may get back into the front lines of politics.
Okay, so what does that mean, front lines?
Well, I can, you know, do what you do and we can have our followers and we can have our influence and we can change people's minds on things.
We can make them look in different ways.
I've managed to get the government to change policy on illegal immigration.
Right.
I've got government to change the law on how banks operate with people.
So I've been very effective.
Right.
As I am.
But standing up and going for election again, that's my big decision at the moment.
And that's being in the front lines.
Oh, so it's a whole will he, won't he type thing?
Yeah it's great fun.
You can't say it right now.
They're all speculating like crazy and writing column inches of absolute twaddle.
Oh I know.
But it's kind of, you know, we've got a conservative movement, a Conservative party in Britain that's just
collapsing. Right. Literally collapsing. Elected last time round with a whopping
majority and they've just blown it. Yeah. So there's a lot of speculation, they're
gonna lose the next election, we're gonna get a Labour government, you know,
will Nigel stand against the Conservatives and finish them off? Will Nigel
perhaps wait and try and become leader of the Conservatives a year or two down
the road?
Will he continue referring to himself in the third person?
Well, yeah.
So it's an interesting time.
You do have proper Conservatives in America.
Right.
In our country, there are few and far between.
Yeah, you know, that's one of those things where people say, oh, it's not left-right, because I understand conservative means something different in different countries.
I mean, I was raised in Quebec, where we don't have conservatives.
We have liberals and liberal separatists, basically.
Although the separatists are more conservative a little bit, if people kind of understand their reason for separating, it's just not logically sound.
But this is not new for you, right?
And one thing I wanted to kind of touch on before we get to today is you do have something that not a lot of people have, conservative-liberal.
You have a long-standing record that you've always been this guy.
That you've always been, you've been remarkably consistent.
I always say, like, well, there was no grifting because there was nothing to grift back then.
Well, quite the opposite, actually.
Yeah.
No, you took risks.
No, I mean, look, I was in business.
Right.
I spent 20 years working for American companies.
I was in the commodities business, which was a really exciting thing to be in with all the markets and the noise and the buzz and the fun.
But I had political views, obviously, and current affairs and politics move markets, move prices.
And I just looked at what was happening with this European project as, bit by bit, we gave the government of our country to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats based in Brussels.
And then they started talking about a single currency, getting rid of the pound, and I just thought, this is nonsense.
Right.
This is absolute nonsense.
What do people fight two wars for if it wasn't for us to live in our own country with democratic accountability?
And it was the Conservatives.
It was the British Conservative Party that led the way on all of this.
Was it the British Conservative Party who wouldn't officially let you join the party?
Oh yeah.
They still won't have me.
Really?
No.
So what would, for Americans who are uninitiated, what would you be considered?
I know you're a Conservative personally, but as far as the party...
Yeah, I would be considered conservative.
I would be considered... Well, some people say you're a nationalist.
I say, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm a nationist.
Right.
I believe the nation-state is the building block that we should live under.
And people would put me on the centre-right, obviously, not the centre-left, clearly.
I'm pretty libertarian.
I mean, I hate big government.
Right.
I hate big government.
Do you know, I was distressed When they kept locking us down during Covid.
I can imagine.
How many of my fellow compatriots just accepted it?
I thought you were going to say you were distressed when they outlawed heroin being illegal.
I got that libertarian.
And I see in Oregon they're reversing all those crazies.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Which is really interesting actually.
It is interesting.
You're going to drive me nuts, there's the tip of that cigar is not lit.
Do you want to hit that with a torch?
It's going to, that one side of the wrapper.
I'm OCD with this and it's just such a, it's such a fine cigar.
Did I don't?
There you go.
There you go.
It should be perfect.
Yeah, I was actually in Spokane, Washington, and I came out of a, I was either a Rite Aid or a CVS, and it looked like a guy had like a tire pressure gauge, and he was smoking crack.
And I looked at him, and there was a police officer right there.
I thought, well, I guess it's legal here.
The cop kind of gave me a shrug.
Yes.
And I walked back around that corner and he was just passed out on the sidewalk.
I said, well, I don't have a problem.
I do.
I don't smoke crack, kids.
But if someone's smoking crack, we're kind of told by libertarians, they'll just be doing it in their house.
No, the problem is the bodies in the street.
The problem is that when you're out there, it affects everybody.
They're screaming that they're Jesus, which is usually crackheads.
I've never met a non-crackhead who claimed he was Jesus.
Seems to be a constant.
So it is interesting, though, these experiments that are taking place.
So you're more libertarian.
I hate big government.
I believe in free markets.
I believe in enterprise.
And I basically think that the world, our world, has been completely taken over by big banks, big business, and big politics.
And the little guy, the little woman, who wants to set up their own business, have a go in life, the sort of people who in the 1980s made our countries, both of our countries, quite wealthy, and they did well themselves.
There's not much room for these people anymore.
And so I loathe corporatism.
I loathe big government.
Anyway, I became a campaigner.
I became a campaigner and I thought, right, the best way to campaign is to stand for office.
And I've been doing that for over 30 years.
I then got elected to the European Parliament, which was enormous fun because, I mean, this was, this place was, and still is, the temple of globalism. I mean this is it. This is why the Clintons
love it. This is why Biden's always loved it. This is the, if you like, the prototype for what
they want us to, the way they want us to live. Is that tough for you to basically be a member of a
club that you can't stand?
Well I mean it was extraordinary.
So, I was the heretic.
Right.
I mean, literally the heretic.
Yeah.
They'd never had anyone like me there in their history.
I can imagine.
They had people who were sceptical about the project, but, you know, I turned up and said, look guys, this is a load of bollocks.
I remember when you said Belgium is not a nation.
I said, Belgium's a non-country.
I got terrible telling off.
And I heard the collective, what?
And you doubled down and you're like, let me repeat.
It's not a real place.
But you explained it.
You said they don't even have, they have two different languages, two different areas of this country.
It's not a nation state.
They hate each other.
It's basically civil conflict without the war.
And a lot of Americans don't understand that because it's such a big country, you know, and we have all these states and there still is a sense of a union.
I think Americans may not realize that coming from the UK, you're so close to neighbors, just as close as we may be to Oklahoma, who may share nothing in common as far as interests.
I mean, look, you know, one of the joys of Europe is you drive a hundred miles, you'll find different languages, different customs, different cheese.
Actually, the joy of Europe is the different countries and the idea that you want to crush that and make them all the same is horrible.
So yeah, I spent 21 years in the European Parliament.
I had enormous fun doing it.
I mean, enormous fun doing it.
And normally If you're surrounded by people that scream and shout at you and hate you, you will normally tend to move in their direction a little bit, because being disliked is not a normal human condition.
They also tried to bribe me.
Sure.
Many times, you know, with Nigel, we can make your life so much easier.
But actually, I just loved it.
Getting up and 500 of them screaming at me.
I mean, I absolutely loved it.
And it was funny because In the early days, people thought I was a political joke.
Sure.
Like they thought with Donald Trump.
But then suddenly they go, oh my God, millions of people are going to vote for this bloke.
But at the end of it, it was incredible.
I was banned.
There was a coffee shop.
I'd gone in to buy a coffee and a bagel every morning for All 15 years.
This is in 2016.
This is when we get the twin shocks of Brexit and Trump.
And I went in one morning, no we're not serving you.
So I was barred from the coffee shop.
And then restaurants wouldn't allow me in.
And then the worst one was the pub!
This pub in Brussels that I had frequented and spent a considerable Some of cheers.
Cheers.
Is that drink, by the way, to your liking?
You're the only person who comes in here and drinks gin.
Most Americans don't appreciate it.
Gin is catching on in America, but when I first came here over 40 years ago, finding gin was very, very difficult.
You know why it's catching on?
The reason it's catching on is because there was, you know, craft brewing with beer, and people realized beer could be a lot better, so then they tried to do craft distilling.
But most craft whiskey, um, is god-awful.
Yeah.
It's dog s***, pardon my language, because people can't sit on product for four to eight years, right, but you can make really good gin pretty quickly.
Yeah, and it's easy.
Yeah.
And it's easy.
If you get the ratios right.
It's even the pub!
And one night he says, Nigel, I'm sorry, I can't serve you anymore in here.
Yeah.
You know, I've been told that if we continue to serve you, there'll be a boycott put on the pub.
So I've been cancelled.
I've been cancelled more than anyone you've ever met.
But you know what?
I did it.
We won.
Yeah.
We won.
Yeah.
I mean, everyone told me it was impossible.
Everyone told me it would never ever happen.
And for me, the moral of the story is if you have a dream in life, follow it.
Yeah.
Follow it.
I mean, unless the dream is like physiologically impossible.
Like when I was a kid, I wanted to actually physically fly or be invisible.
Yeah.
And that would have been a problem.
Yeah, well, I think that chap on the street, you'd better... Yes, exactly.
Hey, you know, maybe in Spokane, at least I'll think that that's the case.
And then they made that crappy film with Benedict Cumberbatch where they sort of, they just go, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nigel Farage.
That was absolute nonsense.
I know.
Well, you know why?
Because you're the guy.
This is one thing, when you're the real Yeah.
guy like there are people out there who want to hold themselves out as the guy.
And I say this with stand-up comedy, Nick DiPaolo is the guy. Like I see the best
people in the world call him and ask for help to write jokes. But he's so
controversial and he's always been consistent that no one really wants to
give him full credit. Because they don't want to build you up into
something more powerful than they can take on. But everyone who, you know, the
people who supported you, they know. Oh God, I mean if you ask the public, you
know, in an opinion poll who's responsible for Brexit, whether you agree
with it or disagree with it, my name's way higher than anybody else.
Of course it is.
No, of course it is.
And same thing when we've had you on the show.
People love you.
I think states said they also just love that you can have a sense of humour and seeing Donald Trump was kind of the first politician, or really since Reagan here in the States, who was able to do that, whereas it's more commonplace in the UK to some degree.
Let's be honest, a lot of American conservatives, and it is changing.
But a lot of American conservatives have been, over the decades, some of the most boring people in the world.
Yeah, they've been wieners.
I mean, really, really doer.
And I was talking at a conference this week in Tampa.
I said to them all at the end, I said, we're up against the most humorless, Right.
New liberal left politics.
It wants to ban everything.
It can't laugh at itself.
Ever.
Right.
I said we need to be the happy warriors.
Right.
We need to be the ones that are prepared to have a laugh, have a joke, smile.
And I think Trump does that.
Yeah.
Trump, on a good day, Trump makes people smile.
Yes.
And makes people laugh.
And there's a sense of humanity about him.
And I think I think that's what the Conservative movement needs to be.
The other point I'd make, and I don't forget I've spent 40 years involved with this country, I've commuted back and forth across the pond more than anybody, business, media, politics.
There's an election on, I've got the TV on in an American hotel room.
And it's constantly, this candidate's terrible, I'm not very good but this guy's even worse.
How's that exciting?
It's like, we suck less.
That's right!
Exactly what it is.
And huge sums of money spent on this negative campaigning.
And I don't believe in that.
I think white people need a vision.
Right.
You've got to say, guys, this is the journey we're on.
It's exciting, because if we get this to work, this is where we're going to be.
Yeah.
In five years' time, ten years' time, or whatever it is.
So I'd like to see, from the whole Conservative movement, more humour.
Well, you bring plenty of that.
Oh, thank you.
No, you do.
More humour, but also a bit more vision.
Yeah.
No, I think you're right.
And I think sometimes people will see, for example, like President, they'll see someone like a President Trump saying, look, we have a problem with immigration.
And they'll say, see, that's negative campaigning.
No, that's addressing an issue.
And then he goes and calls Marco Rubio small hands, which is funny.
I mean, you need a little bit of both.
It's the duality of man, I think.
And you have been ahead of that.
And of course, you were accused of being racist, right?
Discussing immigration in the UK.
And I think it's, it's borne out now.
Were you affected?
But it was the humour that worked for me, because the reason those, so in about 2006, seven, Is when YouTube first appeared on my radar.
And then 2008, the financial crisis.
My brother at the time was working on a trading desk in the City of London.
I would give a speech in the European Parliament at 9 o'clock in the morning on the Euro crisis, the bailouts, etc.
An hour later, my brother would ring me to say, I saw what you had to say in the European Parliament.
How?
Because an American financial markets website, quite a well-known one, had picked out the video.
Clipped it.
Clipped it and sent it out to all their people.
Yep.
And I started to realise, wow, this is quite exciting.
Yes, yeah.
I don't need to, I don't need to rely on the BBC anymore.
And I, and I realised the videos that worked Weren't the ones when I was angry?
No.
They were the ones when I was really saying something that made people laugh, made people smile, taking the mickey out of very very pompous people, pointing out the absurdities, and so really it was YouTube that made me.
Yes, I was in the European Parliament, but you know, frankly, politically, very very small fry.
Right.
And suddenly in 2010, In 2010, they have the first President of Europe, because this was the job that Blair wanted, but didn't get.
And they picked a bloke called Herman Van Rompuy.
Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'd barely ever heard of this bloke.
I don't like his name.
And poor chap, Belgium, you see, you've got to feel sorry for him.
What, he's from a nine country?
Absolutely!
Anyway, so, this was the big day.
This was going to be the big global leader that would represent at the G7, etc, you know.
And... It was an afternoon event.
I went to lunch.
Sat with some friends.
What am I going to do?
What am I going to say?
I knew it was a big moment.
You know, sort of trumpeters in the gallery.
It was almost like a sort of coronation.
Right.
What am I going to do?
And I thought, yeah, the theme, who are you?
I've never heard of you.
I think that works.
I think that'll resonate.
I never use notes.
In no speech do I ever use notes.
But I tend to spend the whole day thinking through and then writing it down on a piece of paper and rewriting it.
But I always try and stand up and look people in the eye and speak.
Because if you just read, it's like dirge-like, isn't it?
I mean, why bother?
You know, a robot can do that.
My notes are on the floor.
You don't need...
I started with them, and then I just toss them.
It's for the plugs.
Because sometimes I've had people come on and they go, thanks for plugging my book.
I'm like, well, I plugged your book.
Sometimes people come with 50 plugs, but you don't need it.
Everyone knows who you are.
I always tell people, because I get so many people write to me to say, oh my God, my daughter's getting married next week.
I've got to give a speech.
What the hell do I do?
Because people are very scared of getting up and speaking.
Sure.
I always say to people, have three things to say.
Have a one, two, three, because that's easy to remember.
Beginning, middle, end.
Very simple.
I said, and don't read from notes, look at the room, and remember, everybody in that room is on your side.
Everybody in that room wants you to do well.
Now I speak without notes, but when I get up to speak in the European Parliament, absolutely nobody in that room is on my side.
Oh, exactly.
And you never quite know what's going to come out.
So I had this plan of, who are you?
And then, I don't know what it was, watching him speak, I think, I said we were told there was going to be a great global leader, a man being paid more money than President Obama.
I said and what we got was you!
I said, and frankly, I don't know where this came from.
I don't know where this came from!
I said, you have the charisma of a dab rag... Nice!
...and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk.
And that was it.
I was warming to the theme by now.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and the question I want to ask is, who are you?
I've never heard of you!
Anyway, the whole thing went absolutely nutso.
I can imagine.
You know, even the rap version got about five million views overnight, you know?
Is this back when auto-tuning the news was really big?
Yeah, I remember that.
Suddenly, overnight, I go from being a marginal political figure...
To being a household name.
Right.
I mean, literally that one speech did it.
Well, the reason, I think, you say, you know, it's not when you're angry, but when you make people, but here's the thing.
There is all, humor always has a target.
I mean, even go to the oldest joke in the book, right?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
You're the idiot to get to the other side, right?
And so you're accomplishing the same thing.
It's important to make people feel something before they listen.
Now, the left only plays on feelings, but if you make someone laugh, it makes someone else just as angry.
As you would by insulting them.
Because they feel insulted.
And so it accomplishes the same goal where people who may be in the middle are willing to listen because they're likely at least half laughing.
But what it also does, it gives you a volunteer army.
Right.
You know, how have you brought your stuff to where you've built it?
Well, you've built it because people see your stuff, like it, and they send it to their mates.
Right.
That's the best advertising of a lot, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The best advertising of a lot.
So that was it.
That was what really, really pushed my career into a very different place.
And you know what?
Through all the ups and downs of it, Some of it's been pretty nasty.
Some of the abuse I've taken has been pretty bloomin' nasty.
You know, physical violence, threat, all that stuff.
It's been horrible.
But actually, for most of it, I had the most enormous fun doing it.
Yeah.
You know, and I've used that notoriety to go into broadcasting in the UK.
We've got this upstart news channel, GB News.
We're taking on the BBC.
We're taking on the ultra-woke Sky.
Yeah.
Well, I used to do Sky News quite a bit.
You know, and it's just gone now, completely.
Climate-obsessed.
So, you know, I've been doing broadcasting now, really, for the last few years, but still campaigning on issues.
And also the issue, big issue, was immigration.
And this is something where I know the media, they will always try and target you as racist.
It's even bigger now.
Yes, even bigger now.
And I want to ask you if you see the parallels, because you did a documentary, I want to say two years ago, on immigration in the United States.
I went back and watched it, where you were talking about the border crisis under Biden, 750,000 or so at that point in time crossings.
Today it's 7.6 million.
Did you see it accelerating that rapidly?
Oh, I think if you are not prepared to defend your borders, and if you allow people to come into your country illegally, And if you provide accommodation for them, and food for them, and the chance to work in the illegal industries of drugs or whatever it is, that message says to the world, please come.
Please come.
There's no deterrent of any kind at all.
I didn't see it being as big as this, obviously.
Yeah, 7.6 million.
But it's huge.
In our case, it was the English Channel.
It was the illegal immigration over the channel.
And mainstream media were not covering the story.
So I hired a boat, and I repeatedly went out into the English Channel and filmed.
Yeah.
These dinghies of young men, put it on the internet, and suddenly, you know, I forced the media into making this a story, and it's now the dominant issue in British politics.
It's the issue that will literally finish Sunak's career.
Because we're allowing in, it was 700 yesterday, 700 yesterday across the English Channel, they are 90% young males.
They have no documentation.
I've even filmed them throwing their iPhones into the sea, throwing their passports into the sea, so we can't trace who they are, so we can't deport them anywhere.
That's why they do it.
But it's okay, because they're given a new iPhone as soon as they land.
Right, yeah, exactly.
As opposed to one of the native citizens.
I remember back when the scariest thing you had on the English Channel was just Jack LaLanne pulling a tugboat with his teeth.
Watch this!
This is how I'm fit!
You're like, what are you doing?
This is insane!
Yeah, 701 day.
Yeah, you know, and so these are the issues that I've campaigned on and yet been called all the names under the sun, but here's the point.
These are young men of fighting age whose attitudes towards women Whose tolerance of people who are gay, whose support for terrorist organisations like Hamas, is at a level that effectively what we're doing, and you're doing it now in this country, I've warned people in America for years, do not allow big Muslim enclaves to build up.
And that is not, in any way, being insulting.
I've got lots of Muslim friends who are perfectly integrated and do well in their lives.
But if you build up these big enclaves, or effectively ghettos, you know, what happens is, that is the environment in which extremism flourishes.
Sure.
That's where it happens.
And I always thought America would steer clear of this, but you've got this coming across your borders here.
And we're allowing a fifth column, a potential fifth column, to build up in our countries.
You know, great civilizations through history, Don't fall from without.
They're not invaded.
They fall because they become corrupt.
They fall because they lose a sense of purpose of what they are.
And you can go back thousands of years and see the rise of these great civilizations and then the fall.
And we are at a point, the Western world is at a point where I genuinely believe these battles are civilizational.
No, I completely agree with you, and I always say the big difference between, you know, when people talk about this being a nation of immigrants, the United States, which is different from obviously a lot of countries in Europe, because, sorry, your number one draft pick got away, and we fled the crown.
Well, you were the first Brexit!
Effectively!
And it was all about taxes on a breakfast beverage, and, I mean, it wasn't even that caffeinated when you put it in context, so imagine what they would have done.
But, yeah, when you think about it, okay, fine, sure, nation of immigrants.
But people came here at one point, whether it's the Irish, you know, Jews from Europe at one point in time, Italians, right?
They came here with a promise of nothing.
It was a risk that they were taking to try and build a life that's very different from a country that has a welfare state, where people are coming to benefit from that social safety net.
So, Milton Friedman, you know, the high priest of free markets.
And people say, Nigel, how can you want to limit immigration if you believe in free markets?
Even Milton Friedman said, you cannot have the free movement of peoples around the world all the while you have a social security system.
Right.
That's exactly right.
Exactly right.
Well, that's why when you say you're a libertarian, I remember spending quite a bit of time in DC and had a lot of friends who worked, for example, at Reason Magazine.
And they believe in open borders.
They believe that borders are just kind of a, it's sort of an antiquated idea, and many of them ended up voting for Obama, which surprised me, where I said, oh, okay, so if libertarian in the states means it can include at one point in time, you know, Glenn Beck, Greg Gutfeld, and Bill Maher, I was like, this doesn't really mean anything.
So I would tend to be considered more libertarian, but I just say conservative.
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm libertarian in a sense.
I do not want the government telling me whether I can smoke a cigarette in my local pub.
I don't want government telling me whether I can hunt foxes at weekends, if that's what I want to do, if that's my thing.
I should be allowed to do it.
And I think, you know, during the pandemic we reached the level of government control we'd never seen even in wartime.
It's true.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah, it really was.
You know, not even in World War Two did government limit people's lives like that.
Have you seen the awakening in the UK and Europe that we've seen in the United States?
Because I will tell you, I've not seen more people have the veil lifted who are apolitical or who are liberal than COVID.
I mean, moms with children in schools.
But I come from Canada.
I was raised where a lot of my friends back home, they still don't get it.
In America, people get it.
Is it the same thing in the UK where a lot of people get it?
I think something very, as I say, I was, the first lockdown I could live with, you know, I saw the scenes in Milan and I thought, wow, is this the 1919 flu?
I think we all did.
We all did.
I didn't mind locking down for a couple of weeks.
I think I was the only one who didn't.
No, I was okay with that.
Let's find out what it is, alright?
Let's find out what it is.
But after that, the second lockdown I thought was... I mean, quite frankly, by second and third lockdowns, I just ignored it completely.
It was great.
Oh yeah?
I could drive down the motorway fast, there were no cars on the road.
Right, yeah.
Well, when that happened, that's where we did the Mug Club Quarantine Month.
It was our biggest month of growth.
The very first lockdown, everyone was in there, including conservatives, in their basement.
We said, we're doing two-a-days.
We did two shows a day because I knew people were locked at home.
And I can't tell you how many Conservatives, whose names I won't provide right now, calling me saying, you know, this is really irresponsible, you shouldn't be bringing in the crew.
I'm like, well, guess what?
They all decided they want to work.
They saw the ride, they bought a ticket anyway.
But do you think that in the UK there has been that foundational shift where people realize that they were lied to?
We've woken up.
We've woken up on the fact we were lied to.
The other thing, and I'm not going to go down a rabbit hole on this, as some people have done, but There can be little doubt that some of the vaccines that were produced just weren't vaccines.
And I remember, and I had the first two.
I had the first two.
You know why?
You know why?
I wanted to come to America.
All right?
You know, I mean, this is my fourth trip here this year already.
So I'm, you know, I'm in America, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten times a year.
I guess being in America with a third nipple is better than not being able to come.
So I had the first two.
Then it came to the booster.
And I did it on my TV show.
I said, right, I'm going to debate over the next week whether I should have the booster.
And I was being texted.
I was being emailed.
I had letters sent to my house.
They were just telling me, you've got to go and have the booster.
Yeah.
So I debated this with medical experts.
Medical experts who thought I should have the boost, I asked them all the same three questions.
Number one, would this stop me catching Covid?
No.
Okay, thank you.
Number two, would it stop me passing it on to my elderly parents?
A genuine concern?
Sure, of course.
No.
So why should I take it?
Because if you get Covid you'll be less ill.
Isn't that my choice?
Right.
And I think the vaccine harm thing, I think the level of lies Sure.
And I just asked myself the question, will anybody ever be properly held to account over this?
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
I don't think so either.
And the big reason is not because of those in DC, but because of those in Hollywood and those in New York, those in media and big tech are in bed with media right now.
And that's why, like you talked about running for office again, sure, but you can have Just as much, if not more, of an impact sometimes in taking on the media.
Oh yes!
Not playing ball with the big tech platforms, unfortunately.
We're past that point now.
We've crossed the Rubicon.
YouTube, those places.
If you even, at one point in time, discussed this.
For example, Gerald, you've met him, the nicest guy alive.
We cited the CDC.
We actually included their chart that, hey, there have been more flu deaths in infants and toddlers this season, this year, than all of COVID ever combined.
I think it was like a five time, multiple of five.
And YouTube said, well, even though it's correct, it may cause people to not take COVID seriously enough.
So we're going to remove it.
We said, we quoted the CDC.
You say they are an authority.
And that, to me, was a point when I would see people on the right playing ball with Big Tech.
Please, please kill me last.
I'm like, we can't.
I think people are waking up to it in quite a big way.
And they need to.
We're almost back to where we started the conversation.
Right.
Big business.
Global corporates who virtually own governments.
Yeah, well you were, you said, debanked.
Now explain to me what that means.
They just not, they allowed you to transfer your money somewhere else, right?
They didn't take your money from you, dear God.
I'd been with a bank called National Westminster Bank.
It's Britain's biggest bank.
They've got 19 million customers.
I've been with them since 1980.
I ran all my city businesses through them when I had a proper job.
I've never had one, so I don't know.
Well, actually, do you know what?
In those days, going to work was fun.
Yeah.
Because there was no woke rubbish.
Right.
Offices were a huge fun.
Trading floors were fun.
Everyone took the mickey out of everybody.
Sure.
There were laughs and jokes.
Yeah.
We'd go out for drinks after work that would go on.
And kind of it's where people met it's where people met their partners and got married it was going to work was fun Anyway, so I've been with this bank since 1980.
The last 10 years I've been with Coutts, a wholly owned subsidiary, the posh bit, if you like, of the bank, private banking.
The Queen was a client, all the rest of it.
My account was always in credit, never any problems at all with it.
I ran my personal accounts through it, I ran my company accounts through it with media income and stuff like that.
And I get a phone call one day, we're closing your accounts.
I get a letter confirming, you know, you've got ten weeks to leave this bank.
I tell you, it really hit me.
Oh yeah?
Wow!
So I thought, what do I do?
I know what I'll do.
I'm not going to go public on this.
But I'll go and find alternatives.
I was refused by ten banks.
Really?
Ten banks.
Small private banks, big global banks, an American bank, and ten banks refused my business because I'm Nigel Farage.
Right.
I'm a reputational risk to the bank.
Now luckily for us, and you haven't got this in America, Under our Freedom of Information Act, we are able to go to any private company that we've done business with and ask for the file of all the documents and comments about us.
Okay.
So 40 pages of gold.
Oh, really?
Came back.
Russia was mentioned 144 times.
Oh, it would have to be.
Suspicions that I'm in the pay of Putin.
Of course.
Brexit was mentioned 87 times as if this global catastrophe has overcome us and this bad dude's in charge.
Net zero.
That I wasn't a supporter of net zero.
That my comments on immigration were inconsistent with their diversity and inclusion agenda.
And that my views did not align with those of the bank.
And when I got this document, I thought, I like this.
Yeah, I can imagine.
The last sentence said, we view the risk of him going public to be very low.
Because he'll find it too embarrassing.
Well, you know what?
They picked up the wrong bloke, didn't they?
So I stood up and said I'd been debanked.
The media went absolutely crackers.
I had 38 front pages of British national newspapers over the course of the next three weeks.
Um, every TV news program was covering it.
And the funny thing was, it was rather like coming out, really.
You know, I've been deep.
And suddenly, lots of other people popped their heads up over the parapet and said the same things happened to me.
Right.
So I kind of give them cover for people to understand what was really going on.
Sure.
And this is why Woke is not a joke.
No, it's not.
It's not a joke at all.
And if you haven't got a bank account, you literally can't function or live in the modern world.
It's as essential as water coming into your house.
So that was my really big campaign last year.
And you have so many Americans here saying, well, what, you're afraid, what, that you're going to be debanked, like a conspiracy?
They will tell you, though, it's absurd.
Come on, Saturday Night Live said Trump had gone mad by using the phrase debanking.
I mean, what is this?
It doesn't even exist.
I know.
Yeah.
Tell that to Kanye West.
Who, by the way, said some nutty things.
Don't get me wrong.
Goes on Alex Jones with a net and a bottle of Yoohoo.
I don't even get the joke.
I guess it sounds like Net and Yahoo, but you know, he shouldn't be debanked for that.
That is one of those issues.
I mean, we were removed from, let's see, Shopify.
We had several service providers from merchandise companies.
YouTube made us remove shirts from our private merch store off of YouTube if we were to be allowed to upload Yeah, I was.
I was debanked.
Yeah, so this is how and people say well, you know what then just don't do business with them
But if there's collusion where they all get together and say no, no, we're all going to agree here
I mean, it's not a conspiracy for example to whether you agree with him or not
Say Alex Jones was removed from every single platform within five hours of each other
Yeah, that's one conference call and it happens all the time
And I'm sure there were other things that were happening while you were debanked. That was just the most severe
Yeah, the cigars. Oh, yeah, I was I was debanked. I've had problems getting insurance
I had a pension provider refuse to continue doing business with me.
I mean, I joked with you earlier.
I'm the most cancelled person you know.
I mean, what do I stand for?
Views that 25 years ago would have been considered perfectly normal.
Right.
Almost quite middle of the road.
Well, we had this, you know, I mean, yeah, I would challenge that with myself, this entire company.
But I'm a comedian, you know, it's different, right?
We host, we provide a reference for every single claim we make on air.
But we even had, you know, we had hit pieces come out at one point, New York Post, everywhere.
And it got to the point where some employees claimed they saw Steven Crowder's balls.
And my answer was, which time?
I mean, you've seen the wardrobe we have.
I mean, of course, they went, no, no, but you just lean into it.
You go, well, if you're talking about doing a parody sketch of Terminator, but he's a crackhead in an alley and he lands naked, like, are you talking about nudity?
Are you talking about?
And then what happened is because we were making some big business moves, and we have NDAs here.
Same thing, anyone who comes in here, because we address the privacy.
And then there was a hit piece about the fact that there was an NDA at the company.
And then Gerald had a meeting with employees saying, like, guys, look, you guys know we're bringing on these sponsors that we can't talk about.
That's why we have the NDA.
Then there was a hit piece that Gerald had a conversation about the NDA at the company.
Whatever happens, whether it's true or not, if you try, it's whack-a-mole, they'll just try and get more egregious with the lies, so just move on.
None of it matters.
No, it doesn't!
None of it matters.
It's funny, I was at, um, a few months ago, I was invited to speak at Eaton, the famous British private school that has produced, I think, 24 Prime Ministers.
So this is the elite of the elite.
Right.
I get an invitation to speak at Eaton, which is hugely controversial, because, you know, most of the staff didn't want me to go, but I accepted.
They were virtually fighting to get into the theatre.
Yeah.
Because it was the biggest turnout they've ever had for any speaker.
Oh, I can imagine.
And I was asked this question.
First question, boy gets up and says, Mr. Farage, would you recommend a career in public affairs and politics?
And I said, oh no.
No, no, terrible.
I said, the things they write about you.
I said, for years, they've written that I'm a big drinker.
They've written that I'm a big smoker.
They've written that I'm a big womaniser.
They've written that I'm a big gambler.
And the trouble is, lads, it was all true!
Yes, I knew it!
And of course, it brought... they were all cheering!
And I could see the headmaster thinking, we really shouldn't have invited him.
No, no, no.
No, I think, I mean, the truth of it is, the next headpiece will be Nigel Farage sober!
Oh, that would destroy me.
No, you know, we've just got to accept.
I mean, the point is, we don't mind the rough and tumble of debate, right?
You know, I couldn't give a damn what the Guardian write about me.
It doesn't matter.
You know, it doesn't, provided I'm not criminal, or haven't physically hurt anybody, it doesn't matter.
What does matter is the more sinister side, like the debanking.
The more sinister side of people being closed out.
And worse still, they'll do this to your family as well.
Yes.
Yeah, they will.
And that's the really nasty side of this.
And my worry is this.
Every single year, our universities are pumping out a new cohort of people who have been completely
indoctrinated and not educated properly.
Education is about critical thinking.
It's at the heart of what being educated is.
That you say, well, here are two solutions to a problem.
They're both equally viable.
You decide yourself which side of the line you go on those.
And that's certainly how I was taught.
Now they're being told, this solution is virtuous and this solution is evil.
Right.
And what's happening is, you take the sort of 25 to 35 year old cohort working in all of our corporate companies, working in our public sector, and they're all of the same mind.
And if we don't get education right, we will lose the freedoms and values that you and I enjoy and share.
Well, you're absolutely right.
I mean, my education came from my father, because when you say you were taught how to think or how to think critically, my dad really instilled in me the Socratic method.
It was one thing that I knew before I even went into junior high, but I will tell you that in high school in Canada, and in college in Canada, That never came up.
It never came up.
They were telling me exactly how to think.
So for me, I had to juxtapose that with what I learned at home.
Yeah.
And that's where that critical thought came from.
That's where Change My Mind came from.
And I can tell you that generationally, yeah, it is scary.
They don't see virtue in simply having a discussion with the other side.
Or frankly, even if it's an angry debate, I don't care.
At least the conversation is taking place.
It's terrifying.
I mean, you know, in a few weeks' time, I'll be going to Normandy.
It'll be the 80th anniversary of D-Day.
Right?
Right.
Two American beaches, two British beaches, one Canadian beach.
I don't know how familiar you are with Juno Beach, but you guys had Sword and Gold?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we had Juno Beach, so I watched Saving Private Ryan, and then in Canada, we watched in history class, they showed us actual footage from the boats in Juno Beach, and I watched it, you know, there's a bunch of fog, and the Canadians walk all the way up the beach, into the fog, and not a round is fired.
I'm like, this isn't like the film at all!
Turns out Juno wasn't as chaotic.
No, they, well, Omaha, they were unlucky.
The Americans, the 29th Division in particular, were very unlucky because that particular group Had been on the Eastern Front.
These were very, very battle-hardened German soldiers.
Right.
And that's what the Americans came up against on Omaha.
And they fought to the last round.
So it depended where you were.
But the point I was going to make was, you know, I'm going to be there for that because it'll be the last ever gathering.
Significant gathering of veterans.
You know, 80 years on, the numbers are thinning out a little bit, to put it mildly.
But we did all those things so that we could disagree with each other.
We did all these things to live in freedom, which means I may not agree with you, but I absolutely support your right to hold your opinion.
That's what's under threat.
I would ask you to do me a favor, actually, when you go, if you could film this or have a conversation, because I would love to do this with these veterans from World War II, and see what's going on right now, especially people from Europe who are closer to it, see what's going on on campuses with Hamas and Palestine, and when they use the term othering, but actual othering from the river to the sea, and I'd love to ask them, hey, is this what it was like at the start when you talk about Nazi Germany and vilifying a group of people?
Because it's the last time, we may be able to ask them, are we veering into that again?
Well I think, I mean I have to say, I think the scenes at Columbia, over the last few days, looks like 1936 Germany.
Yeah.
I mean what else can it be?
Yeah.
It's like a madness.
Right.
And it's mostly middle class white kids.
Yes.
Called Jocasta and They've all got rich daddies.
I mean, it's quite extraordinary.
Angry lesbians, but we repeat ourselves.
Well, don't even start me on gender.
It's just extraordinary.
It really is, but I would love to, I mean, pick the brain of those veterans and say, is this something, do you feel like you've been here before?
If they're lucid enough, because a lot of them would give us... Yeah, that would be very interesting.
That'd be very interesting.
It is a scary time in history, but like you say, you want to be a happy warrior still.
We've got to be.
If you're not optimistic...
What's the point of any of it?
I mean, you think about it.
We talk about the war.
I mean, you know, during the Blitz, when London gets bombed 60 nights in a row, what does Churchill talk about?
Right.
He says, we'll get through this.
Right.
And move on to the sunlit uplands.
Yeah.
Even at the most dangerous moment, you know, the country's being pulverised.
Nazi Germany's got control of the whole of Europe.
Yeah.
America's not yet in the war.
You know, it looks like we're going to lose.
Yeah.
Even in that moment, he managed to find that optimistic vision.
So we have to be like that.
Churchill, to me, is everything great about Europe and everything awful about Europe to an American.
Because Churchill, you know, they reached out and they needed Churchill at that point.
He was sort of someone who was ostracized.
He was gone.
He was basically an exile.
Oh, and he was old.
Yes, and he was old.
But he really did, he brought a nation to its feet again, you know.
And then two years later, he's out because the Europeans couldn't help themselves but say, yeah, he's not for socialized healthcare.
And Americans don't know that part.
No, no.
Two years later, let's put him back on the shelf.
Yeah, the fact that he was voted out.
But in a sense, that shows that democracy works.
Nah, I don't know.
That's not what I'm getting.
I think it shows a lack of gratitude.
Oh, no gratitude at all.
Americans never know that.
I say, hey, how long do you think Churchill was in office after World War II?
I don't know.
I go, why do you think he was booed?
Because he did come back.
He did come back in the 50s.
He did a spell.
In fact, his 80th birthday, he was still Prime Minister.
Now, he probably shouldn't have been.
Although he was still more competent than Joe Biden is today, I have to say.
Well, that's good.
Not hard.
Doesn't have a tough act to follow.
Not hard.
But no, that basic, you know, we fought for the right to live in democratic societies.
And in democratic societies, you listen to the other person's point of view.
You respect the other person as a human being having that point of view.
And I push that line a lot.
Yeah.
I might tease my opponents.
Right.
And I do.
Rightfully so.
But I don't want them cancelled.
No, no, absolutely not.
Just to me, it's like with Churchill voting him out so soon, it's like reading an Aesop fable and just skipping the last page.
It's like, you guys didn't learn the lesson.
You need him in case this happens again.
Thank God it didn't.
And a lot of Americans just don't really know.
They've seen The Finest Hour.
Or was it The Finest Hour?
Yeah, The Finest Hour.
Yes, Finest Hour, that's right.
The other one was, I don't know, The Boats.
Darkest Hour was the other one with Chris Pine.
But they've seen that film, they don't really know the full story of Churchill and really what he went through.
And boy, everyone wants a Churchill when push comes to shove.
And then in peacetime, you're like a broken toy.
And what a career.
When you look at it, what a career.
I mean, you know, First World War, First Lord of the Admiralty.
You know, the Dardanelles expedition, Gallipoli fails, he resigns, he goes and fights in the frontline trenches.
Yeah, absolutely.
Almost wanting to be killed.
Yeah.
And funny stories, you know, his mom tried to get him quitting cigars, where she said, if you don't smoke cigars for two months, I'll give you, I don't remember how much money it was.
And he took it and then bought himself a case of cigars immediately.
And his lifestyle, I mean, his lifestyle is extraordinary.
He writes a letter.
To his wife, Clemmie, from the trenches.
He says, my darling, we must be very rich.
I'm drinking champagne all the time.
You know what?
He'd be cancelled today if people knew he's... Everyone's flawed.
A lot of these leaders, we look back and people don't realize, like, people... Deeply flawed.
Of course.
But how can you be a great leader if you're not?
You think a guy who's seen what he has seen?
And today, it's just funny to me for people who, the left, who claim to be so compassionate, there's no grace.
And as a Christian, that's so important to me, is there's no grace where, hey, you can't judge someone from one moment in time.
I'll give you an example.
And I won't say the name because I don't even want to draw attention to it, but there was a prominent conservative and someone tried to make it a scandal that he was sexting somebody, okay?
It was a consensual relationship with a woman who was sexting him as well.
Alright?
As far as I'm concerned, it's just gross.
I skip it.
I don't read it.
But I saw comments saying, oh, men, do they ever ask women about their hopes and dreams in their favorite books?
This is gross.
I'm going, so you think that two people can't have animalistic sex, who love each other, and then also afterwards go out on a nice date?
You're judging someone on that snippet in time?
I don't want to be that kind of a society.
And that was a scandal.
This is not Me Too.
This is a consensual relationship where someone stole private texts and everything is, let's
see where we can catch somebody.
Let's see where we can catch somebody.
And I got it.
And it does concern me, even though I know you're a happy warrior, they just get worse
and they get worse.
They are getting worse.
Now, that is true.
They are getting worse.
But, you know, also, I do believe the pendulum swing back and forth.
Yes.
And I think all through history we see that.
I mean, look at my country.
We had our civil war before everybody else.
You know, 1642 onwards we have the English Civil War, the King thinks he has a divine right to govern from God and doesn't need to take account of what Parliament says.
Parliament fights him, beat him in the war, cut his head off.
So we now become a republic, a new enlightened republic, under a man called Oliver Cromwell, who calls himself the Lord Protector.
Might as well have called himself King!
Right.
And he introduces a Puritan regime, and by 1658, You can be put in prison for having Christmas decorations
up in your house.
All public music is illegal. All dancing in public is illegal.
By 1680, we've had the restoration.
And we've got the artist Hogarth painting a picture of Gin Lane, where everyone's drunk.
Gin Lane?
We always refer to it as Gin Alley.
Gin Lane is the name of the piece.
So, there you are.
In 20 years, the social pendulum swung from one complete extreme to the other.
And I think a lot of this debate we're having today on trans issues, etc, the pendulum will swing back.
I do think with that one.
It will.
It will.
It's too far.
It will.
It started with like, hey, two guys want to get married and visit each other in the hospital and have a deed to their property, sure.
Now it's like, yeah, and six-year-old kids can transition and compete with women.
You're like, what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's s***.
Yeah, it really is s***.
No, it's s***, it's wrong.
It's absolutely s***, and unfortunately, Big Tech, they want to assume the conversation is over,
whether it's YouTube, TikTok, they just say, no, no, you can't, you can't say that this is s***.
Literally, the word's s***.
I'm talking about- We're gonna have to hit the YouTube dump button right there.
["Sweet Child O' Mine"]
Yeah, I mean, I had, there was one, there was a bloke who'd become a woman,
and I thought it was a perfectly reasonable human being, stood as a candidate for UKIP, got elected.
Let people be people, but don't tell kids that this is somehow a normal life.
Also provide context because I don't want people saying, Nigel Farage says I had **** Yeah.
You get a conversation with him.
They'll take anything.
They'll try and take it in.
Speaking of the pendulum swinging, you have a couple of people now, and this is why I
always want to, I know that you can't go out and toot your own horn.
You're one of the OGs.
You've always been this guy.
You've been remarkably consistent.
And not to say that people can't have their Damascus, Road to Damascus moment, but now
you have Piers Morgan and you have Russell Brand, people with whom I'm friendly, but
it's very different.
Russell Brand is different, seems to be a transition where he's actually taking a stand.
Piers Morgan, I'm not entirely sure.
I enjoy my time with him.
What do you see there?
And you've had run-ins with both, right?
Oh, gosh.
So, Russell Brand.
Russell Brand was so abusive about me.
Publicly.
Repeatedly.
And it led to a big head-to-head on BBC television.
And it was really interesting, actually.
I think I really upset him because I wrote an article about it shortly afterwards where I said, before going on set, Russell Brand's two personal make-up artists were busy combing his chest hair.
Which they were!
So, yeah, we had this sort of, almost like, hate.
And I was broadcasting, I was radio broadcasting one day, and he sort of came down the corridor trying to break into the studio, I mean, like, with crazed eyes.
Would you believe?
I know his dad, Ron.
I've met Ron many times over the years.
Very down-to-earth, straightforward bloke.
And Ron gets in touch with me about two months ago and says, would you have a chat with Russell?
I said, what do you want?
I mean, after all the things he said about me.
He said mushrooms, but that's not important.
I said, you know what?
If he wants to talk to me, of course I'll talk to him.
I had a 40-minute FaceTime conversation with Russell.
He looked me in the eye.
He said, I genuinely want to apologize for all the very personal comments I made about you.
They were completely unnecessary and wrong.
He said I might have disagreed with you at the time, but I'm viewing the world in a very different way now.
And I said, Russell, I 100% accept that, and I thank you for being a man.
Because one of the hardest things in life...
Is to actually admit you've been wrong.
Right.
Yeah.
It's one of the toughest... It'd be very difficult for me if it ever happened, but... Well, of course.
Of course.
I was wrong once, a long time ago.
Yeah, I know.
Just wipe it out.
1984, I think it was.
Yeah, and so, good for him.
He's made up.
Piers, different kettle of fish.
Different kettle of fish.
So, here's his TV show.
So, my TV show on GB News was going head-to-head with his TV show on Talk TV, the Murdoch funded.
And I'm very pleased to announce the television station closed down last Friday.
He's bombed.
And the point is, you can't do opinion TV.
You can't do what you do.
If you don't have an opinion.
And that opinion has to have a degree of consistency through it.
There have to be themes that you believe in.
Pierce doesn't believe in anything.
You don't think he's... He doesn't believe in anything.
He's all about sensation.
Yeah, he kept trying to bring me on on every... He asked me about Alex Jones.
He asked me about Alex Jones, and I said, look, I agree with Alex Jones less than most people, but he's a friend of mine.
So you're not going to get me to throw him under the bus, and if you want to ask Alex Jones, ask him about it.
Yeah.
And he's been very respectful with me, but I do get the sense that maybe he's still figuring it out, whereas I do get the sense that Russell Brand has had his quite literal come to Jesus moment.
No, no, no, and I, as I say, I've made up, I've kissed and made up with Russell, and that's fine.
Piers and I are on non-speakers.
Oh, really?
And likely to remain that way for some time.
You want me to facilitate that?
No, it's fine, I'm happy, I'm happy, thank you.
Well, you know, I'm gonna conference call you one time.
Nigel, it's Piers.
No, I don't, I get it.
What upset him was that the first show that he did on Talk TV was an interview at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump.
I had been to Mar-a-Lago the week before to have a chat with Donald, which I enjoy doing, and I think he enjoys me coming there because I never ever say a word.
No, I can't.
I never say a word.
You're a great listener.
Nigel, you're the best listener.
Everyone always says, I say, he listens.
I feel heard.
I don't need therapy.
I've never blabbed a word in public about what, you know, our private conversations are private conversations.
Of course.
And he's surrounded by people who always try to make a buck off the back of him.
Of course.
I've never asked for anything from Donald Trump, and I wouldn't.
I'd be a genuine friend and supporter.
Anyway, so I knew that Piers was coming to Mar-a-Lago to do the interview.
I just said to the Donald, I said, Are you aware of the things he's been saying about you recently?
He said, hey, we're friends, we're friends.
I said, OK.
So I just left two sides of A4 on his desk.
I said, it'll take you five minutes.
Yeah.
Apparently, when he read it, he blew his top.
I can imagine.
And it was Piers saying Trump's awful, Trump's dreadful, Trump's... And that's Piers all over.
Yeah.
That's Piers all... There's no sincerity there at all.
Yeah.
And so that was where the sort of blood feud began.
But all I've done is tell the truth.
Yeah.
Well it's funny because I remember him sort of seeming, veering towards populism, kind of supporting Trump and then I don't know necessarily what happened there.
And you've sometimes been labelled a populist.
Would you carry that mantle?
Would you say that?
I did say after the Brexit vote in the European Parliament when they were all scowling.
I did say it.
I said two things actually.
Number one, I said, when I came here 17 years ago, I said I would lead a campaign to take the United Kingdom out of the European Union.
And you all laughed at me.
Well, I said, you're not laughing now.
That was good.
But I also said, isn't it funny?
Populism is becoming very popular.
Yes.
I have got no problem with the term populism at all.
They try and use it as a pejorative term.
I've got no problem with it at all.
And what populism actually shows you Is the imbalance that exists between our capital cities and the rest of our countries.
And you see this phenomenon, you can go to Ireland and see the same thing.
You can go to the Beltway here and see the same thing.
So I've got no trouble with being called a populist at all.
It has to be principled populism.
Otherwise you end up with... I mean, historically things like the French Revolution, which has a lot of good and a lot of bad.
I think more bad than good overall.
Yes.
And how funny.
They get rid of a king and Napoleon then becomes the emperor.
I know.
It's all the same game.
We look at this with Europe too.
I always tell them, I say, you know what, the United States is still today the world's longest standing democratic republic.
So what do you mean?
I go, because you guys have so fundamentally shifted so many times across the pond.
Where we have, we kind of created one constitution, some amendments, but we've stuck with it.
I think that your founding fathers were visionaries.
They were.
Absolute visionaries.
They took Much of the best of the British system and improved upon it.
The only thing I would say is I don't think much of your judicial system anymore.
That makes sense.
It doesn't work.
Yeah, I get it.
It just doesn't work.
I mean, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, that's good.
I like that.
We don't wear the funny outfits like you guys.
No, which is a shame.
We like dressing up.
English are very well known for it.
That's a joke too.
No, the politicization.
Yes.
Of the judiciary here is wrong, it's bad, it's not working, and a lot of what Trump's been put through at the moment is just monstrous.
Sure.
And I think the one, and I would never say it's a good thing that that's happened, but the one thing that has come of it is people realize that it's not just, people tried to see it through, oh, you don't get a fair shake if you're black in America.
It's not race, it's not necessarily even class or wealth, it really is about your political target.
And that can happen to anyone, rich, poor.
Yeah.
It's wrong.
And yet I don't hear anyone talking about reform.
You know, I talk to attorney generals, I talk to people like this and say, come on, isn't it time this system was shaken up and changed?
And it's so typical of human beings.
They just, they just accept where they are.
Right.
It needs to change.
Yeah, it doesn't need to change the way that former Vice President Joe Biden says, and just pack the court and add some seats, because then it just becomes an arms race of, I'm going to add seats, and I'm going to add seats, and I'm going to add seats.
Which hasn't happened.
No.
You know, it hasn't happened.
No, it hasn't happened.
Who's going to win the election?
Donald Trump.
You think so?
Are you confident that enough electoral reform has happened?
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
And I think it needs to be a walk-off.
I think it needs to be a landslide.
You know, we've been building infrastructure.
We did a telethon for it, so we will actually have boots on the ground in every major swing city, state.
We'll actually be able to collect real-time data along with the news wires where they call states with decision desks.
We're going to have an election integrity map where people can upload incidents and we'll be able to verify them so you can see it in real time.
Because we had, you know, these huge election streams.
I mean, the first in 2020, It was, I think, 17 million people.
And then we were suspended from YouTube for the midterm, surprise, the week of.
And so many people went and watched on Rumble, and it was still a few million people who tuned in.
And the one thing that we have that other people don't is, the left tries to gaslight you, that term is overused, but they say, no, no, no, no, a pipe didn't burst in Atlanta.
But people who watch with us can say, I remember when the news report came in and the entire Mug Club team said, well, the news we're getting is a pipe burst.
I remember what happened when they were bringing in red wagons of ballots of votes in Detroit and we were covering it live.
So YouTube couldn't remove us afterwards saying it was a conspiracy theory because we were covering it as it was happening.
The major issue, and I hope that everyone else does this, we do what we can, is for example, I remember Arizona being called with 1% of the vote in.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
And we were the only people who said like, I said, no, no, we're not going to put that on the board.
But I couldn't verify why at that point.
And so now we've tried to put some fail safes in place where we'll be able to, where hopefully they'll, they'll be following our lead as far as accuracy, because we were still relying on traditional media because of their money.
I'm fascinated by that.
And I will come and join you and see, and see what you do.
I don't think there's been enough, but I think that there are more eyeballs on it, so it will be tougher to do.
Do you think it's still too insurmountable of a problem?
No, I don't think it's insurmountable.
But I don't think Trump, you know, if it's... If it's close.
If it's really close, I worry like crazy.
Yeah.
He's got to wing those twin states by three, four, five percent to be confident.
Yeah.
Is what I would say.
And I've seen this corruption of politics.
Sure.
Tony Blair introduced postal voting, you know, mass postal voting.
Guess which community are all signed up?
I can imagine.
The ones that don't speak English.
Right.
All signed up.
Of course.
It's all in the bag.
So I've seen that.
The people that have got it right And it's surprising I'm going to say this to you now, because generally the French get nothing right.
True.
But they get elections right.
Yeah.
So you want to have an early vote or a proxy, you've got to give a good written reason.
You know, I'm in the army, I'm working out of the country, or I'm 97 in a wheelchair.
And so about two and a half percent of the overall vote will come in before the day.
That's it.
It's about what it should be.
You have to turn up.
You have to show ID.
The ballot papers are emptied onto a table with observers standing round the table.
They're counted into bundles of 100 and elastic bands put round them.
They're stacked up.
They get the result a few hours after the polls close.
Right.
There's never any dispute whatsoever.
You don't need counting machines.
You don't need all of these things.
Yeah.
And I, again, I just, I sometimes despair a bit at the Republican Party.
That is my biggest problem, too.
So, for example, we, after the last election, we did find votes.
You can't prove everything.
Now, I will say, do I think the ghost of Chavez was rigging Dominion voting machines?
No.
But we could verify quite a few things, especially in districts like I knew in Michigan.
That doesn't make sense, this doesn't add up, going through voter rolls.
But we also found many, many addresses where votes came in, and we sent reporters there.
And they didn't exist.
For example, one was a manhole cover.
One was an empty park.
And then one was an address of someone where this person had never lived.
And we called the, uh, the county, uh, registrar and they said, oh, sorry, that was North Bellevue or whatever.
It was South Bellevue.
We said, well, it's interesting that you say that because we went to South Bellevue too.
They've never lived there either.
And this specific county in Nevada, they weren't allowed to change voter rolls any other time during the, it was supposed to be Wednesday at, I believe it was 5 PM or at midnight.
But when our story came out, we had someone right there saying, this is the place where this person voted that doesn't exist.
They changed it, I believe on a Monday or Tuesday at 2 AM.
And we went to them the second time, and I spoke with the county registrar, I believe was the term.
He said, yeah, well, even if all you're saying is true, I said, I will swear under oath it's true.
He said, there's nothing we can do now.
And we were suspended for that video on YouTube, right?
It was a heart strike.
And my problem was with Republicans and conservatives saying, well, look, what's it worth to us if you get removed from YouTube?
Then you can't reach anybody.
I said, yeah, but there's no value in reaching people if you can't speak the truth.
Like, we've done our due diligence here.
And I'm a comic.
So I have a much greater problem with people putting on our team jersey who don't actually go into the fray.
Yeah, and I warned them about this.
I warned them about this.
On the 4th of August 2020, I went on one of the regular daily podcast shows, with Bannon actually, and he said, come on Nigel, you predicted it all in 2016, you're the form horse, who's going to win the election?
I said, I can see what's happening here.
I said, on the day of the vote, Donald Trump will win.
By day four, he'll have lost.
I could see it.
I could see it!
But nobody in the Republican Party did anything about it.
No one fought it.
Yeah.
All under the cover of COVID, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Disgrace.
It really was.
And actually, I just realized we're going, but I want to go to Mug Club really quickly where we can actually talk a little bit more without worrying of the, well, YouTube censors us anyway, but the website is Enforage?
Enforage.com.
Dot com.
And I know you can't make your new major announcements here today, but people should be following you and stay tuned.
I'm hoping Well, I've got a big decision to make, you know.
I mean, life's pretty good for me at the moment.
I'm enjoying being a broadcaster.
I won broadcaster of the year last year in the UK, which is pretty amazing.
Good for you.
Because it was a public vote.
Oh, you'd have loved it.
Big grand dinner in the Grosvenor Hotel.
A couple of thousand people there.
And when it's read out that Nigel Farage has won news presenter of the year, booze in the room.
I can imagine.
Booze in the room!
So I thought, do you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to ruin your evening.
I want to do that with the Emmys.
I had so much fun.
I can imagine.
I said, you're all going to lose your jobs.
I had enormous fun with it.
Yeah.
Life's good.
Alright.
You know, when you're in politics, and people laugh at this, but there's no money in politics.
No money.
If you're straight.
If you're corrupt, there's probably a lot of good money.
But there's no money in politics.
I've had four kids to bring up, dependents, etc.
So for the first time in 30 years, I'm earning good money, I'm enjoying life, I don't have quite the same level of vitriol.
But maybe there's an historic opportunity in British politics.
And maybe If anyone can re-galvanize the forces of conservatism into something that is coherent, consistent, bold, but ambitious in terms of the vision, then maybe I'm that soldier.
Well, so I've got a big decision to make.
I would add one more to that, is I think that in the post-Covid world, people are absolutely craving authenticity, and that's why hopefully I've driven home that people should look at your track record.
If they're looking for someone authentic, Win, lose, or draw.
Take it or leave it.
It's pretty hard to argue with someone like you, and I think that's an important quality because it is in rare supply.
So we're going to continue on Mug Club here a little bit more.
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