Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

March 24, 2017 - Louder with Crowder

01:30:57

#141 MULTI-CULTURALISM HAS FAILED! Jim Norton and Sargon of Akkad | Louder With Crowder

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Oh my god.
	Private!
	Get to the bomb shelter!
	I always knew this day would come, Sullivan.
	Sir, yes, sir.
	Thank God we prepared with preparewithcrowder.com.
	Sir, yes, sir.
	We have a full 30-day food supply, sir.
	$99 shipped free.
	I know that.
	I'm a general.
	Don't you think I know that?
	Of course, sir.
	You invented preparewithcrowder.com, sir.
	That's right, Sullivan.
	I invented preparewithcrowder.com.
	Let's go to the checklist.
	Four 30-day food supply emergency kits from preparewithgrader.com.
	Sir, check.
	One, two, three, four, check.
	One generator.
	Check, sir.
	Lady magazines?
	Sir, yes, sir.
	Toilet paper, Sullivan.
	Toilet paper?
	Sir, I used the last of the supply last week.
	I forgot to restock, sir.
	You what?
	Just your general, sir.
	You know I have IBS. Preparewithprowder.com or call 888-411-5153.
	30-day food supply kit, $99 shipped free!
	they have pudding!
	You're a strange animal That's what I know You're a strange animal I got to follow
	I'm the speedy destroy Ancient Art of Cod Hour We're still doing that.
	We're still learning.
	We're centering ourselves with kata.
	What you do is you pantomime as though you're beating up people.
	And then when it comes down to a real-life situation, you get your ass kicked.
	Producing with me in video studio, as always, is Jared, who is not gay.
	Follow him on Twitter at NotGayJared.
	Me at S. Crowder.
	I fulfill my legal obligations.
	Draw your own conclusions.
	We good?
	We good.
	It's Thursday.
	Of course I'm good.
	Thursday!
	It is the sound of the weekend.
	At G. Morgan Jr.
	Thank you for being with us, sir.
	Worst twiddle in the business, can I say?
	He can't even get the first words out.
	That's a sure sign of a quality program.
	We have today, we have comedian Jim Norton, Sargon of a Cat, former mayor Rudy Giuliani.
	So, big show.
	We're really excited to get to that.
	We have a lot of news to get to.
	Of course, jam-packed.
	If you haven't been watching The Daily Show, those out there who are not Mug Club members, we've obviously covered news of the day every single day.
	But before we get to that, I swear to you, this is not a sketch.
	This is real life.
	Okay?
	Let's get real.
	I walk into the pitch meeting this morning and Aaron, the intern, is about to...
	We thought we were going to have to call an ambulance.
	He was laughing so hard because of this headline you can see here.
	I swear to you, we walk into the pitch meeting this morning and Aaron, the intern, this was him.
	It's complicated.
	Makes sense of it with BuzzFeed Newsletter.
	Oh, they think they're a reliable dude.
	This went on for like...
	Oh my God.
	Did you sleep much last night, Aaron?
	I know you were working late.
	Oh, I feel better now.
	That was about like 20 minutes into it.
	That was a long time into it.
	He couldn't stop.
	He couldn't believe that someone would write that headline for BuzzFeed without a hint of irony.
	A hint of irony.
	Alright, so we want to do that because we have to get some serious news here that's obviously not fun.
	The suspect in the London terrorist attack.
	We talked about it yesterday.
	We tried to hold the show.
	We tape the show live here.
	You're watching it live on YouTube.
	Hi, how are you?
	And then it goes 9 p.m.
	at CRTV. And then some days of the week, we try to pre-tape the show a little earlier.
	And yesterday, we were waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to the deadline to try and get some information.
	Of course, the media had it so wrong all day, not even close.
	But today, we know the suspect is Khalid Massoud.
	I'm probably mispronouncing that, but I don't really care because he's a terrorist.
	And the attack is...
	Well, it wasn't the Canadians.
	It wasn't the Canadians.
	For those who are wondering, the suspicion.
	So, of course, it was Islam again.
	And the scary fact, just like Tommy Robinson was saying, and he was laughed out of the street when he was saying, I guarantee you this person will be an Islamist, and I guarantee you he will already have been either investigated or surveilled or been on watch for terrorism.
	Well, this guy's already been linked to violent extremism.
	It's really no surprise anymore.
	Anytime these attacks happen, I know we have to withhold judgment like we always tell people to do in other situations, but we knew.
	And we did.
	If you watched yesterday's show, we didn't go out and say, okay, we're absolutely sure he's Islamic.
	We knew for sure that he wasn't Asian, as the first report said.
	Oh, yeah, an Asian black man with a beard.
	Wow.
	Two things that Asians typically can't do.
	Grow facial hair and be black.
	Be black.
	One would say they're almost precluded due to their race.
	So...
	You know, we talked about Brussels, Paris, London.
	I think there were 12 plotted terrorist attacks that either were carried out or thwarted in London.
	It doesn't matter how tolerant you are.
	It doesn't matter how much you virtue signal.
	It doesn't matter how many guns you ban.
	It doesn't matter how many pointy sticks you ban.
	Evil will find you.
	In Europe, evil is amongst you.
	In the UK alone, 50,000 people.
	I think Tommy Robinson was talking about this.
	We have the data up on the website.
	50,000 people downloaded a terrorist manual.
	Driving trucks into people is in that manual.
	Evil is amongst you in Europe right now.
	And the people are waking up.
	The people are waking up in my home country in Canada, too.
	Where they're getting pretty tired of it.
	And they're saying, you know what?
	Maybe there is some evil here.
	Maybe we need to look at these cultures that just can't seem to find common ground.
	And a big portion of it, A, is Islam.
	Muhammad, namely.
	I have no problem with Muslims who don't follow Muhammad.
	I'm good with them.
	If you're not following his lead, we're cool.
	But anyone who follows Muhammad's example, we immediately start getting into problems.
	Like, well, okay, maybe I don't want to kill all Jews and infidels.
	What about beating my six-year-old wife?
	No, that's kind of gray territory.
	Anyone who follows Muhammad is a problem.
	That's the first part.
	And then multiculturalism.
	Multiculturalism, we've talked about that, and it's when people say, well, you mean you don't like different cultures?
	No, no.
	The United States is a melting pot.
	Multiculturalism means that wherever you immigrate, your culture comes first.
	So you are still Muslim.
	This is why you have 80-something Sharia courts in the UK. This is why you have people who don't even speak the language.
	This is why you have no-go zones for anyone who's not Muslim.
	In the United States, you came here, you were American first, period.
	Now, some people get mad.
	I'm not saying this was entirely necessary, but even when you look at the original signers of our documents in the United States, they were worried about them being Catholic.
	Because of the political clout of the Vatican.
	And they didn't want anyone who had any allegiance higher to any state, any country above the United States of America.
	It was, you come here, you can bring some of your culture, that's fine, but you're American.
	You're no longer...
	Whatever it is.
	Iranian-American.
	And I get this person was British-born, but the idea of multiculturalism, it divides.
	And when you have a secularist multiculturalist vacuum in the UK, it gets filled by something.
	We'll talk about this with Sargon of Akkad.
	You know, Jordan Peterson talked about this.
	Whether you think it's a sociological, I guess, a human behavioral pattern to process information, you think it's the flying spaghetti monster...
	All societies have somehow looked to a higher power or believed in some form of religion.
	There's been some determining form of religion to society.
	You can just say it's a coping mechanism.
	Fine.
	But a lack of belief, atheists, and I'm not saying that you're wrong.
	I'm not going after atheists.
	I'm talking about a society.
	A lack of belief does not fill that void.
	If you're in a society that's based on a lack of belief, on apathy, Islam will fill it.
	That's what they're looking to do right now.
	And that's why it's so disconcerting when, you know, this came up from the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, so maybe you can guess where he's coming from.
	This was from six months ago.
	It surfaced because of one of Donald Trump's sons.
	He said this, he had this to say, he said, Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam.
	London has proved him wrong.
	Maybe not.
	Yeah, maybe not.
	On second thought.
	Yeah.
	I just, one of those, it hasn't.
	Europe is crumbling.
	Europe has failed.
	Can we say the experiment is done now?
	I would hope so, but I don't think they will.
	I think they're just going to ride this pony into the ground, baby.
	It's just going to happen.
	Yeah.
	It's interesting, too.
	You can think about it.
	I mean, talk about the Bible.
	You can think about it as history or a parable, but think about Babel.
	I always think about this when people try to argue multiculturalism versus the melting pot, which we talk about.
	Yeah.
	That was the language in the cultures was one of the things that God put, you know, a parable in history, put down on people to separate them, to make them disperse, to separate people.
	Yeah.
	I used to think NKJ was cool until he said he never read the Bible.
	I don't read books I don't like.
	No, I mean, he's right, though.
	I mean, I think your point is very accurate.
	You're trying to bring in your country's culture and impose that on another country that you're in.
	I understand maintaining some cultural identity and some heritage and things like that.
	We're not against that at all.
	Come over here.
	Legally bring your taco sombreros.
	We're good.
	I love Taco Bell.
	I love Taco Bell.
	Two things will happen.
	One, you won't understand me very well, and I won't understand you very well.
	And sometimes that'll mean we'll be at odds, unfortunately, or unintentionally.
	We just won't know each other well enough to understand.
	I'm not saying this terrorist was an immigrant.
	He was a Muslim-born.
	But the radicalization that occurs in Europe...
	It is because of a secularist void and multiculturalism, which effectively is almost a secular set of worldviews, multiculturalism, certainly as it's enforced in Europe.
	The idea of tolerance to be the virtue above all other virtues.
	So it's important to recognize that even if they were born, and by the way, did you see all the leftists, they were mad, like, why did you say British born?
	Why did you say British?
	Because he's an asshole!
	We want to put an asterisk next to his name.
	Can we do that?
	Can we do that with a terrorist?
	Can we do that?
	Do we have to be sensitive?
	Well, and the thing is, even a lot of Islam, people that are Muslim, it's Muslim first and then the country.
	So even if you're born in the United States and you happen to be in the Muslim culture, it tends to segregate itself naturally.
	So even though they're there, he's British born, it doesn't matter.
	Right.
	That's a good point.
	And by the way, contrast what the London mayor had to say with people like George Bush or Rudy Giuliani right after 9-11, you know, the terrorist attack on American soil.
	I think you contrast that quote with Giuliani, and you can see a different approach.
	These are extraordinarily strong, strong people.
	I mean, Americans have been tested now, and I think the response to the test is going to be a very unified country and a response that makes sure that we prevail.
	The response was from a place of strength and unity.
	Okay, we're not going to tolerate this.
	We don't play no games, George Bush and Giuliani said, as opposed to right away the first response from people in Europe is, hashtag not all Muslims, come on, we want to be...
	No, I don't want to say all Europeans.
	They didn't elect these jackasses.
	I mean, they did elect these jackasses, sorry.
	But they did not make this decision from their elected officials.
	Many of whom regret, by the way.
	A lot of them are regretful.
	Elected officials made these decisions, and they don't speak for everybody in Europe.
	So we want to be clear.
	I know it's silly, and I make fun of Europe because, you know, soccer and man buns, and you're a little bit effeminate, but our heart goes out to our European brethren.
	But Giuliani, from a place of strength and unity, and you can't do that with multiculturalism.
	You know, you can fake it, hands-holding, we are the world, but it doesn't really mean anything.
	So, do we have?
	I think we have.
	We have him on, actually.
	On the show, we wanted, for contrast, to bring on Mayor Giuliani.
	Former Mayor Giuliani, are you there, sir?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much for being here, sir.
	No, we're thrilled to have you.
	And the reason we wanted to have you on was because we think there's a stark contrast to be drawn between you and the London mayor.
	I want to get his name right here.
	Sadiq Khan.
	Sadiq Khan.
	I'm sure you're aware of his statements from six months ago and also the backlash to some of his reactions.
	Now, that's a real contrast to the era of you and George Bush 9-11 in the United States and hunting down enemies in unity.
	Why do you think that is?
	Thank you.
	I'm glad to be here.
	And I think a fundamental contrasting difference between the way the United States handled terrorist activity and what you see in Europe, in London specifically, is that the mayor, as you mentioned, Is a giant pussy.
	Okay, I don't think we were ready for that here on this show.
	No, no, no.
	I don't want...
	No, Stephen, it's very important that I'm able to clarify my position so it's not taken out of context.
	When I say a giant pussy, what I mean is that I believe the mayor of London, Stephen, is a full-blown faggot.
	No, okay.
	You know, I guess when you're no longer mayor...
	You don't feel the need to maybe curb some of these inside thoughts.
	Thank you, Mayor Giuliani.
	We appreciate it.
	But at this point, we'll have you back maybe when the wounds aren't so fresh.
	Steven, Mr.
	Crowder, it's very important that I'm able to explain as to not be misconstrued.
	I believe that right now, if you were to go into the Mayor of London's office, he would be found there.
	Surrounded by cocks, Steven.
	Alright, okay, that's it.
	No more Giuliani.
	As far as I can see, Steven.
	Cut him, Jared.
	We can't have him on.
	I respect the man, but one could say he's almost a liability.
	He's a bit of a badass.
	Okay.
	One more story.
	CNN. Well, two more stories.
	CNN had another story last night.
	The story was about, guess what?
	Donald Trump and Russia.
	U.S. officials.
	Just the headline.
	U.S. officials' info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians.
	I read this and I thought, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Is this a 2016 article?
	No, it's a new one.
	Info suggests...
	Associates may have...
	And the article is more of it.
	By the way, it was timed perfectly because they were getting their asses handed to them by Neil Gorsuch and then Devin Nunes came out and it wasn't necessarily the best information for them.
	They tried to pivot.
	So right away, at the end of the night, they drop Donald Trump Russia.
	Is this an evergreen or something?
	They hang on to the story and just repost?
	So, to get to the...
	I mean, listen.
	I am not saying that it is impossible for Russia and some Trump associates to have had communication or some to have had ulterior motives.
	I'm not saying...
	As a matter of fact, I think there's a good possibility and I will be first in line to hope that those people get fired and tried if they are buddies with Putin.
	Okay?
	But the baseless...
	Accusations that never end.
	It's tough to get to the bottom of what's true and what's not, so we decided to commission the world's greatest detective.
	We're always glad to have him here as an independent contractor on Lotterworth Crowder.
	Yeah, really fortunate.
	Bullshit man.
	Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!
	Hold that guy, Robbie!
	It's a bulls**t pun.
	Jeepers!
	Hello, Commissioner Bulls**t.
	Yes, sir.
	Right away, sir.
	Understood, sir.
	CNN. Yes, sir.
	To the Bulls**t-nobile.
	Bulls**t!
	Holy cow, Batman.
	Looks like Donald Trump's been colluding with the Russians.
	At first glance, it would appear that way.
	But look closer at the words in these articles, Robin.
	Appears to be possibly, perhaps, inconclusive.
	Allegedly.
	Do you smell that, Robin?
	Smells like bullshit, Batman.
	No, Robin.
	That's horse shit.
	And it's important for a junk detective to know the difference because it's coming this way.
	Oh!
	Oh!
	This bullshit's been solved!
	Back to the bullshit, we're having to understood time!
	Yes, sir, Commissioner Bullshit.
	We can now say with absolute confidence that you can consider this bullshit 100%...
	I'm going to do the thing.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, I'm on the phone, though.
	We've talked about this.
	Just stop right now.
	We'll talk about it.
	Commissioner Bullshit, I'm sorry about that.
	You can consider this bullshit officially 100% solved!
	Bullshit!
	Bullshit!
	Well, I'm glad that's the end of that mystery.
	I'm glad that the dark detective, he did his work there.
	Here's the deal.
	When everything ties into Russia, I don't know about you, but at first I was going, I'm really concerned about this.
	This worries me.
	This bothers me.
	I don't want a foreign government having any influence over our election.
	Even though I didn't want Hillary Clinton to win.
	But now, my little phone goes ding!
	And the word Russia is in there, screen lock, and I put it down.
	Exactly.
	I just love the headline.
	There's two words that stand out to me.
	One, suggests, and two, may.
	It didn't say it.
	It says Trump associates may.
	And by the way, associates.
	Suggests associates may.
	This is like the most...
	Baseless headline I've ever seen in my life.
	Like, can't you say something specific?
	No.
	Sources suggest that Donald Trump may enjoy pissing on supposedly Russian prostitutes.
	Well, let me talk about this yesterday.
	Trump, Russia, and maybe have spectacular SEOs.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	It's like covering your own butt.
	I have no story, but I want to say Trump and Russia, so let's throw this out there.
	Exactly.
	And if you have something, listen, we want to read it.
	But this is why people no longer trust you.
	This is like the red scare, except now we have Twitter.
	Yes, exactly.
	Exactly.
	A good point.
	It's the verified blue checkmark scare.
	All right.
	In other news here, Lena Dunham.
	We've talked about her a lot, but she lost some weight recently.
	She's made headlines for it.
	I think she looks great.
	Listen, I want to give credit where it's due.
	Shut up.
	Shut up!
	I'm sorry.
	Both of you, shut up.
	I think you're overrated.
	Great.
	She looks good there.
	Good.
	Those are fine.
	She looks good there, but it's one out of 24 frames.
	There's a lot that could go wrong in the rest.
	Okay?
	I'm not hating on her.
	I'm just saying maybe not great.
	Maybe not great.
	Someone switching the reels.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Listen, I want to give credit where it's due.
	I think she looks a lot better.
	Sure.
	Hey, Lena Dunham.
	Proud of you for making this effort and losing a significant amount of weight.
	Absolutely.
	She's been in the news talking about it, and sure as night follows day, she now has to fight off the cannibal social justice warriors who are giving her crap for losing weight, saying that she wasn't proud of her previous body, that now it's a bad example.
	And she...
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Here's the thing.
	Yeah.
	I'm sympathetic toward Lady Undenum because we've dealt with it.
	Okay?
	We know that side of the coin.
	She's now saying, listen, she's doing this for health reasons, that she's done it for her anxiety.
	She's happier.
	She said, endorphins are real, is a quote in the article.
	And I guess she's pivoting from what she once said.
	Anyone that's going...
	Everyone that's ever gone on a diet knows that losing 5, 10, 15 pounds isn't the thing that sends you barreling toward a stronger sense of self.
	Well, now she seems to have a stronger sense of self.
	And she seems to be happier.
	She's saying, right, I'm healthier.
	I have more energy.
	I'm happier.
	My neurotransmission is better.
	Yes!
	There you go!
	This is what we've been saying!
	For years!
	For years!
	You're just fat-shaming.
	I'm proud.
	I'm happy in my body.
	No, you're not!
	And we've been saying that.
	This is the thing.
	Feminism and the fat pride culture is one big, giant lie to yourself.
	Yes, but it's not fat-shaming.
	If you walk up, you're fat, you're disgusting.
	Okay, that's bad.
	That's bad.
	When we went to the panel, and they said concern troll, and they're like, we wish you got healthier.
	Well, look.
	Clogged arteries are a social construct.
	My pulmonary struggle is a byproduct of patriarchy.
	Diabetes is white supremacy.
	Really, honestly, it's gone around the bend of we shouldn't make fun of people to science is fat shaming.
	Medical journals are concerned.
	There's study after study after study that exercise alone, let alone being healthier and at a healthier weight, makes you happier, does release endorphins, makes neurotransmission more efficient.
	Neurotransmitters like dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, and I know this stuff really well because I've been to doctors regarding this with thyroid issues, with mental health issues.
	I've talked about this.
	There is a direct correlation.
	And when we go out and we say this and we shout it from the rooftops and say, listen, you'd probably be happier if you dropped 40.
	And you say, that's just fat shaming.
	It's a fat shaming culture.
	But every single time somebody actually takes the initiative and does it, they find themselves happier and healthier.
	At what point do you say, hey, maybe they're correct here?
	Maybe they're on to something.
	We don't say these things because we hate you.
	We don't say, hey listen, you should probably lose a few.
	Hey listen, you should probably do some more exercise.
	You should maybe lift some weights.
	You should do some cardio.
	You'll probably feel better.
	We don't say that because we hate you.
	Doctors don't say that because they hate you.
	They say it's just like parents.
	And it shows why leftists are just like small children.
	Honestly.
	Society, doctors, people who disagree with you, they express to you ideas that will better your life, that will verifiably, undeniably improve your life.
	And they say it because they want good things for you, just like a parent.
	They want the best for you.
	But leftists just refuse to hear it scream up and down no, simply because they want to go against what you're telling them, even though it is entirely factually accurate.
	The left...
	Lena Dunham's weight loss, what I'm saying, has confirmed that the left in 2017 are nothing more than large children.
	Now, Timmy, I've told you this before.
	if you don't brush those teeth, you'll get those painful cavities.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Hey, Timmy.
	If you don't lose the weight, the diabetes will force us to take your leg.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I don't know why Timmy apparently gets increasingly mentally disabled.
	I don't know how that is there.
	So what about telling an adult to act like a child just gets really offensive?
	He goes from slightly spoiled child to rain man.
	Definitely.
	I'm not exactly sure what happened there.
	Listen, Lena Dunham lost weight, and now she's telling everyone else, hey, you know what?
	Losing weight is a good idea.
	I feel better.
	I feel happier, healthy.
	Hey, guess what?
	You're looking at a situation objectively, and now you're actually observing evidence, data, and making your own inferences.
	Hey, we're glad to have you.
	Welcome to the club.
	We'll be right back with Sargon of Akkad, then Jim Norton.
	Wouldn't be silly.
	Damn it, super.
	I love the world.
	Come on.
	Well, I'll be a f*ing I'll be a f*ing uncle.
	Private Sullivan, fallout shelter now!
	It's even worse than I'd anticipated, Private.
	The feminism virus has plagued half the globe.
	Sir, yes sir.
	Thank goodness.
	I believe you can write it out with 30-day food supply from preparewithpratter.com, sir.
	You talking about that incredibly affordable 30-day emergency food supply kit from preparewithpratter.com, $99 ship free?
	That's the one, sir!
	Good.
	I believe we can ride this out.
	The key to defeating the feminism virus is to let their blood sugar drop to zero.
	At that point, they'll be too frail to fight and too emotional to think logically.
	Then we strike.
	Sir, yes, sir.
	It's incredibly sexist, sir.
	What the hell did you just say to me, Private?
	Grandia, sir.
	You haven't been watching any Young Turks lately, have you, Sullivan?
	Sir, no, sir.
	You attending any women's marches?
	Sir, no, sir.
	Private Sullivan, what's the average horsepower on a 1969 Shelby GT? Theater 55, sir, approximately.
	Who's your favorite hockey player, Private Sullivan?
	Career to all time.
	All time, you ungrateful son of a bitch!
	Gary Howe, sir!
	Private, what's the capital of Vermont?
	I'm Bill Deer.
	And what's the average female salary in comparison to a male's?
	Marble Street says the 77 cents on the dollar, sir.
	I know it, you infected son of a bitch!
	Oh, no!
	Prepare with Crowder.com or call 888-411-5153.
	30-day food supply kit, $99 shipped free!
	They have pudding!
	Dark Knight here, and thanks to my utility belt, I don't need firearms, but you do.
	Which is why April 8th, the Dark Knight, Robin, and other special guests in Fort Worth will be attending the annual Second Amendment Awards, presented by the United States Concealed Carry Association.
	You can buy your tickets at TwoWayAwards.com and enjoy an evening full of special guests like yours truly, Steven Crowder, Not Gay Jared, Iraq Veteran 8888, Koliath Noir, and Tim Kennedy, and more.
	We'll be discussing topics like Firearm of the Year, Manufacturer of the Year, and of course, Firearm Safety, which is most important.
	Which is why it's pivotal that we always clear the weapon.
	Clear that, Robin.
	Holy cow, Batman, that's loaded!
	This whole time?
	Oh, fu- See,
	that's not kata.
	That was just dancing.
	Because I know we confused people.
	We were engaging in the ancient art of kata earlier in the show.
	This is just the street fighter dance.
	And it's, you know...
	Terrible.
	Observe.
	Learning about other people's cultures is respecting their cultures.
	It is.
	And I respect that little Asian men get their ass kicked in fights.
	We have our next guest.
	Very happy to bring him on.
	Come on, he doesn't look happy for that introduction.
	You follow him on YouTube.
	We love him.
	Our resident, I guess, atheist in chief.
	Nice man.
	Sargon of Akkad is his YouTube channel.
	How are you, sir?
	Yeah, I'm really good, man.
	How's it going?
	Well, you shouldn't be.
	You're in London.
	So this is a problem.
	I don't know the rules with this.
	How long are...
	Well, you're in the UK.
	You're supposed to be in the morning.
	Typical American.
	You think everywhere in Britain is just London.
	Look, some places are like out of London as well.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	So where are you?
	Are you like one of those bastards from the north because I heard they're not good?
	No, no, no.
	I'm in the south.
	I'm about an hour out there.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So he's from the south.
	All I know is you guys are terrible at doing American accents and then you always mock us for being bad at doing your accents.
	So let's just agree that no one's good at doing other accents.
	But I can hear the difference.
	I can hear the difference between what you sound much more like someone from London because I had a friend from Manchester and that's a very different sound.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	The regional accents get quite strong as you go further north.
	And he would laugh his ass off at Liverpool accents.
	He thought it was silly.
	Yeah.
	They don't like each other.
	They don't.
	Honestly, I don't know.
	It's third rivalry.
	It's kind of like Texas and every place that's not Texas.
	Damn right.
	Pretty much.
	We'll talk about this first.
	What's your read on what's going on in London?
	That's obviously what's been in the news.
	We had to hold our info yesterday for people who aren't subscribers to The Daily Show.
	We had to hold it and hold it because there was so much misinformation, you know.
	Listen, we're not journalists.
	We're entertainers.
	But we go, okay, Channel 4 News, New York Post, I think it was BBC, confirmed the name of this guy.
	We felt pretty good about it.
	Totally wrong.
	And then radio silence for hours.
	It seemed almost like journalistic malpractice.
	Yeah, a lot of people jumped the gun.
	The problem was there was a photograph circulating around social media of the terrorist suspect who had been shot and was laying on the ground and being treated.
	And he looked very similar to an established Islamic hate preacher in the UK who is currently in jail.
	For being an Islamic hate preacher and encouraging people to join ISIS and all this sort of thing.
	And so it was wildly irresponsible of the media to jump to this conclusion.
	It was established outlets like Channel 4, which is, in Britain, that's a big channel.
	And they take themselves seriously.
	And they completely jumped the gun on this one.
	Didn't even do five seconds worth of cursory Google research on a preacher who they would have found was in jail and ran with it anyway.
	And it was all around the internet.
	I mean, I even...
	I retweeted it myself, because I saw it from Channel 4 and thought, well, they will have fact-checked this, and that's what you get for having faith in the media.
	Well, most disturbing is apparently you Englishmen think all Islamic hate preachers look alike, which I think is...
	We ran with it, too.
	But again, at Loud with Crudit, we had an update at the top.
	It said, check back for updates.
	This is what we know now.
	We are continuing to corroborate this.
	And it's like, it's Loud with Crudit.
	We literally play Spot the Tranny, and the next piece is a bit from Courtney about how much she hates fat feminists.
	And we're doing the work.
	We had a guy named Eric Soderstrom, hat tip to him, looking up.
	Court documents where this guy was up for parole January 7th.
	I guess typically if you have a sentence that's over three years or under three years, you serve half in the UK because your prisons are overcrowded, underfunded, they were talking about.
	So we're going back and forth and looking at this, and we saw none of it from your news sources.
	I'm going, why am I doing this legwork?
	I suck at it!
	Honestly, I don't know whether it's just the effect of social media or what, because the speed at which the information comes out and has to be verified is remarkably quick.
	And, I mean, in their defense, the man looked exactly the same as this hate preacher.
	Racist.
	You know, exactly the same style of beard.
	No, no, exactly the same style of beard.
	Like, exactly the same haircut.
	Show me an Islamic hate preacher who doesn't have that beard, Sargon.
	No, no, no.
	There are plenty.
	See, you don't spend enough time looking at these Islamic hate preachers.
	I'm a little more scared.
	Yeah, but you actually had chowdery on, did you?
	Yeah, we had him on before.
	It was a long time ago.
	And as a matter of fact, we didn't even have cameras.
	This is when it was just on radio.
	So we set up a camera in a room, and I asked him, like, well, okay, where do you think?
	And he was like, uh, Syria, Iraq.
	And I asked him if I deserve to die, and he pretty much said yes.
	And a part of me had to respect it.
	That was a scary interview.
	He is notorious in Britain.
	There's a cabal of them connected to the Finsbury Park Mosque.
	They are all exactly as you think with Chowdhury.
	Like, yeah, you know, all the infidels should die.
	We're going to behead you all.
	Sharia for everyone.
	The glorious rule of the Islamic Caliphate over the world.
	And you sit there thinking, even Muslims who are not sure whether they feel like they're radical Muslims or not think you're ridiculous.
	You know, they...
	Anyone is more credible than Chowdhury.
	It's a shame that he gets so much airtime, because he represents so few people.
	And that's not me trying to defend anything.
	It's just a fact about Chowdhury.
	He's like...
	He must be like the Alex Jones of the Muslim world.
	That man's a saint, you watch your mouth.
	I'm not saying there isn't a special place in my heart for Alex Jones, because especially after crashing the Young Turks and making Cenk...
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Buffalo out like that?
	Definitely, he'll never not have a friend of me, I tell you.
	I don't go for him to news.
	In all fairness, he doesn't represent a small number of people.
	He represents a small percentage of Islam.
	Three to five percent of Islam is still 30 to 50 million people or so.
	That's true.
	That's a very large number of people.
	The mindset does, but Chowdhury himself, he's not a greatly influential man.
	He's not like a great Muslim thinker.
	Because you've got to remember that there's a community of these people, like an international Muslim community.
	They travel around, they do their speeches, and they have large audiences.
	And most of the time, they're a lot more moderate and rational.
	I mean, there are some, like Mufti Menk, who preaches about human rights, and that's not an Islamic concept.
	So it's interesting how these sort of thoughts from the West have seeped into the mainstream of Muslim...
	But the fact that you say that, though, is very telling.
	Like you said, it's not really an Islamic concept.
	As a matter of fact, charity to those outside of Islam is almost entirely foreign to the religion.
	It's one of the big defining factors.
	If you look at global charity on behalf of Islam to people who aren't Muslims...
	It just doesn't happen.
	It's statistically negligible.
	But yeah, like we were saying with Anjim Chowdhury, I mean, you know, we had him on because, like you said, there still are a lot of people, A, who are asking to have him on, and like you said, still tens of millions of people who believe just that.
	It's a lot more worrying than the Westboro Baptists.
	There are a lot of people who believe the sort of...
	Salafist sort of narrative that he always espouses.
	But these people aren't generally in the West.
	And when they come to the West, they set up the extremist mosques, basically.
	Well, you have a lot of them, though, in the UK. I mean, you have 50,000 downloads of the ISIS training manual.
	I think that's 50,000 too many.
	Okay, that's worth addressing because you don't know who's downloading that.
	I mean, I'm the sort of person who would download it because I would want to know what's in it.
	I don't think you're the target demographic.
	If I'm being fair, that's true.
	Let's say 30%.
	You don't know how many other people weren't being inquiring citizens.
	Okay, let's just say the 10%.
	I'm going to educate myself on what they're saying.
	Let's say 10% are terrorist curious.
	I think that's a reason.
	It's still a lot.
	Is that like bi-curious?
	I agree that it's still a lot, but...
	Again, you know, it's not that big a number compared to the actual number of Muslims in Britain.
	We've got 3 million Muslims here, so only 50,000 downloads.
	That is actually a really small number.
	So it's important not to blow these sort of things out of proportion as well.
	And I think more importantly, like...
	I'm not a big fan of collective punishments, obviously.
	It's one of the reasons I oppose the regressive left.
	There are plenty of stages along the path that you end up becoming a radical terrorist that you can be talked down from at that point.
	The problem is when you have these sort of I don't want to call them enclaves, but I can't think of a better word, where you don't really have much interaction with the native British culture outside of them.
	That's multicultural.
	Well, that's the thing.
	It's not.
	The people within them don't feel inclined to, say, report this sort of thing to the authorities.
	We were talking about that earlier.
	I do think multiculturalism, and we were talking about this last time, I would wonder if your opinion has changed.
	It doesn't sound like it has, but we were talking about this earlier in the program, that secularism, as you said, you're like, eh, it's much more secular here in Europe, creates a vacuum, and Islam is looking to fill it, and they're much more successful filling a vacuum there than you see in the United States of America right now.
	And that's why you see much more radicalization in Europe.
	Now, is it every Muslim?
	No, but it's a much higher percentage than the United States.
	And I think...
	We're at a real kind of crossroads here where it seems like a lot of people are concerned and there's, on the one hand, you want to be tolerant.
	On the other hand, you have to be realistic about the threat that you're facing.
	But I know, Gerald, you were about to say something.
	Sorry, Gerald here is, I don't know if we call him a philosopher, a theologian.
	He's on the other side of the coin, but he knows a lot about Islam.
	You've taught rudimentary courses.
	I think the problem, though, is that it's an ideology.
	That's what I think.
	It is a religion and a political ideology.
	And until Muslims agree to secularize themselves from the political side of it, then it's always going to be a problem.
	And you are always going to get in Muslim communities people who are Islamists.
	I'm sure there's a certain kind of character of person, type of person, who just is attracted to that sort of thing.
	Sure.
	And it provides a ready-made platform for that.
	What's the problem?
	Hold on, what were you saying, Joe?
	I was going to say, I mean, I definitely understand your point.
	I think with Islam, you have a religion, though.
	If you go back to the books, and we've talked about this in a number of videos that we've done.
	If you go back to the book and the founder and look at what they tell you to do, it doesn't surprise me that there are a large number of Muslims that have been radicalized.
	And even larger circle outside of that is people who are okay with that number being radicalized.
	They won't necessarily do things themselves.
	That's the problem that I have.
	And let's take two comparisons.
	Let's say that Christians infiltrated government.
	And Muslims infiltrated government, right, in Islam.
	Which one would actually have a good or bad effect?
	I think we've seen in some countries where they're controlled by Islamic governments what is going on over there, right?
	The Sharia law and things like that that are happening.
	I don't know that there's a bad example that you can use, maybe historically a little bit, but not currently, of Christians being in government that are kind of oppressing their citizens.
	To Sargon's point, though, it's also...
	I'm not sure the framing of that's too accurate.
	Well, you wanted to have...
	Religion out of politics.
	Countries that have Sharia law, it's overwhelmingly supported by the native population.
	Yes.
	It's not like it's a Muslim cabal that have infiltrated.
	No, no, no.
	I agree one second.
	It's overwhelmingly supported by Muslims in your country as well.
	It's supported by an overwhelming number of Muslims in the UK who still do support Sharia law in the UK if given the opportunity.
	It's overwhelming, but it is a very large percentage.
	It's large enough to be concerning.
	It's something like 35-40% or something, if I recall correctly.
	But, I mean, that's a disturbing number.
	Yes.
	So they can, you know, want what they want because they're never going to get it.
	The problem is when they implement it in their own communities and it ends up violating the rights of women, British citizens who are also female.
	And that's something the government has been inquiring into.
	Although I haven't followed it up, so I don't know exactly what the inquiry found.
	But undoubtedly there are going to be women in those communities who are having their rights violated.
	Lots of fat lips.
	Lots of fat lips.
	And poorly made sandwiches.
	Well, you know, one thing, too, we had...
	Poorly made falafel.
	Yes, poorly made falafel.
	That's racist.
	We don't accept racism on this show.
	Only sexism and blatant homophobia, Sargon.
	Read the handbook.
	You can't win with Crowder, can you?
	Well, you're actually funny, interesting tidbit.
	As an aside, you were talking about the name Sargon.
	Yeah, no, look, I mean, you seem like the kind of guy, honestly, that you're looking for truth, and I've looked at a lot of your stuff, and I really appreciate that, right?
	it, right?
	I have differing opinions, obviously, but I respect people that have different views.
	And so I just thought it was really interesting, the name that you chose.
	Like, I knew Akkad, and I knew kind of the Sumerian city-state part of that.
	For some reason, I remembered that from high school, about Kish, Eric, and Ur fighting each other, then Akkad going and attacking them and kind of taking...
	You did that in high school.
	From high school.
	My high school history...
	I'm a history buff, too.
	But I think a lot of the conversations that people like you and I would have end up becoming gotcha moments, where I either know more than you about one particular subject, or you know one particular subject, and it's not really beneficial.
	I think what C.S. Lewis did actually was really interesting, is that they had a meeting every week.
	They would have a point of view from, say, a Christian theologian, and then they would have a differing point of view from somebody else.
	It didn't have to be an atheist.
	It could be an agnostic or somebody else the week after.
	And so I'd love to do that with you personally.
	I don't even care if it ends up on air or anything like that.
	It'd be kind of fun just to jog back and forth.
	But looking at your name, Sargon Avakad, I know the name Sargon, right?
	He was a king there.
	But it actually, it was never called Sargon.
	It was called something a little bit different.
	And then until the Hebrews actually put it in the Bible, it's in Isaiah 20, verse 1, is where the name Sargon comes from.
	And that's the first time it was actually called Sargon.
	It was referred to as something else.
	Same person they were referring to, but you know how they can have different names in Hebrew versus, you know, kind of the same language.
	But I thought it was funny.
	Are you sure?
	Because I heard that apparently Nimrod was his representation in the Bible.
	No, it literally says Sargon of Assyria, which obviously Assyria is where he was in that area.
	It might be a different Sargon they're referring to.
	I don't know.
	There's a Sargon II, who is the king of Assyria.
	This one said one.
	This one said one.
	So it was very interesting, anyway, that it was from the Bible.
	Yeah, it's undoubtedly mentioned because of the Assyrian Emperor.
	Yeah, it's good.
	Interesting.
	I'm just curious, too.
	Why'd you choose the name Sargon of Akkad?
	I just like the historical figure.
	I like the myth of it.
	Yeah.
	Because the Sargon legend is the Moses legend, just far earlier.
	And so Baby washes up on the banks of the Euphrates in a reed basket covered in bitumen and is raised by a gardener and ends up becoming the king and ends up conquering this giant empire.
	It's quite a rags-to-riches story, really, isn't it?
	We can all identify with that, right?
	Was that where he said, bargement?
	Sorry?
	Was that where he said, covered in bargement?
	I didn't hear the word.
	A bitumen.
	A bitumen.
	Did you just call me something?
	I was sitting there and I was like, a bitumen.
	We don't cover babies in a bitumen anymore.
	Well, the basket was covered in bitumen to waterproof it.
	Yeah.
	Also not a lot of sure of them.
	So, and this is a really important question, and this is going to piss Stephen off, and this is the only reason...
	Well, hold on a second.
	This comes from, like, Gerald, who's been on the show before, and I remember we talked about it, and he was just like, I really like this Sargon.
	I know he's an atheist, but he seems like the kind of guy I could talk about.
	Reasonable guy!
	Well, yeah, and we've talked about this.
	Sargon and I have talked about this.
	These conversations don't occur on YouTube very often.
	No.
	No.
	It'd be like a gotcha moment.
	I'd come up with some random fact that maybe somebody hadn't heard of, and he'd come up with some random fact, and that would be what most people do.
	And nobody would really learn anything, and we'd just try to make ourselves look better.
	But I am a soccer fan, and I know you call it football.
	Do you have a particular club that's your favorite?
	No, I'm not a soccer fan.
	Oh, jeez.
	Come on!
	You know what?
	That's bullcrap right there.
	I'm just not into it.
	You're an hour outside of London.
	You live in the UK. You were like Hillary Clinton trying to cater to blacks with hot sauce only with a European in soccer and you just got checked.
	That's BS. Basically, one thing is you're being really racist right now.
	How did this turn so quickly?
	I like soccer.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't get it either.
	I think it's a horrible sport.
	It's not a horrible sport.
	It's a sport of the gods.
	This is not true.
	No, it's not.
	It's true.
	I was like, you know what?
	I don't know if this is a historical reference, but I'm pretty sure soccer is rather modern.
	What are they, kicking around rock?
	I don't think that happens.
	It's not modern, Steve.
	It's not modern.
	It's really, really old.
	I'm sure the idea of kicking something around, but I mean, this modern sport, soccer...
	No, no, no.
	In the 13th century, it was banned because it was distracting people from their artery practice.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty modern, though.
	It's because you have to shoot people to live.
	I'm not saying 13th century.
	I'm talking about that's pretty modern as far as human history.
	Well, yeah, that's 700 years ago.
	It's not modern.
	Things have changed since then.
	I think that's pretty modern.
	My point is you weren't talking about people.
	You weren't talking about cavemen thousands of years ago where they had hieroglyphics.
	And then he scored a goal here, and then we had this Egyptian guy sacrificed a baby.
	Why does all of a sudden you have the long goal thing going on?
	The point is, I hate soccer.
	Anyone can kick on a tin can into a thing and say it's a sport.
	I thought I had a friend in Sargon here, and I don't, apparently.
	Can you just make it up?
	Couldn't you just throw a name out there just to piss Steven off?
	I actually can't.
	I paid so little attention to it that I literally couldn't tell you anything about it.
	Frank Lampard, I think, is a football player.
	I've heard that name before.
	Jared's just sitting here watching unfold.
	What do you think's going to...
	What was your reaction to the London mayor?
	Sadiq Khan?
	Sadiq Khan.
	Saying what?
	Well, obviously they trotted out the statement from six months ago, which I thought was telling.
	I still think it's horrible, but that's not his statement today.
	But I do feel as though there's a notable difference in handling of it.
	We talked about this earlier.
	If you compare him versus Giuliani, sort of speaking from a point of – and to go back to that point, I think multiculturalism.
	Which is a European value, it's not an American value, we're a melting pot, a societal melting pot, allows for this kind of radicalism to happen at that rate.
	And so it seems when you look at the way he's handling this, it's from the angle of, oh, hold on, hold on, multiculturalism, hashtag not all Muslims, whereas in the United States after 9-11 we're like, we're going to find these bastards and we're going to unify against a common enemy.
	Yeah, the problem is we're very politically correct over here.
	And it's frustrating.
	It's...
	Anyone who's not is essentially branded as a racist by the mainstream.
	And it's very unpleasant.
	And Sadiq Khan is just part of that.
	It's the water he swims in.
	So, I mean, if you listen to his statement about it, you will learn nothing from it.
	You will learn nothing about anything.
	It's just politicians speak.
	He speaks for two minutes and says nothing.
	You know, everyone then moves on with their day.
	I do feel kind of sorry for him because, like, with the statement from last September where he said that it's just part and parcel of being in a big city, I mean, to a degree that's true, but it's really...
	it's almost like taking the attacks out of context when he says it.
	Because it's like, yes, okay, but these things weren't acts of God.
	They didn't just fall out of the sky.
	We know who was doing the attacks and why they were doing the attacks, and these attacks continue.
	And it wasn't always like this.
	So even if you want to be like, well, this is just normality now, it's like, that's great.
	But they don't seem to realize that there are lots of people outside of their little bubble.
	They're sort of like what you would consider like coastal elites, the sort of media elites, left-wing intelligentsia.
	I mean, I think you would have thought that Trump and Brexit would have woken them up to the fact that there are actually millions of people outside of their frame of reference that don't agree with anything they're saying.
	Yeah.
	But they're still not listening.
	They still live in this land of delusion.
	And Wilders didn't win in the Netherlands, but they expected him to.
	Right.
	Because the fear of Trump and Brexit had, I think, really pushed it to the fore that they know that they're just desperately sitting on top of a simmering pot that's about to explode with people going, look, it's the fucking Muslims.
	Right.
	There are loads of people like that.
	There are loads of people.
	And it's not that, like, technically they're not wrong, but they're not exactly going to be the sort of people you want in control of any kind of transition in the future.
	And to make sure that these people get their fears alleviated, and they deserve to, you know, they've done nothing wrong.
	And without having something terrible happen, that means the people who are in the sort of center and the center left need to accept that you can't just call people racist to make these fears go away and that you have to actually address the f***ing issues.
	You know, they have to they actually have to stop going.
	But that's a racist thing to say and just.
	Okay, what can be done?
	And I'm not even saying, like, deport all Muslims or anything like that.
	I'm just saying, stop pretending.
	Because, you know, the amount of times, it's like, well, I mean, if they're a terrorist, then they're not a Muslim.
	It's like, you can't do that.
	You can't just define.
	What is it about apostasy that makes so many Muslims go on killing sprees then?
	Why are all these apostate Muslims declaring it by murdering people?
	Obviously, it's not that they're apostatizing from the faith.
	It's that they are taking their faith to its extreme conclusions.
	And you want to prevent people from doing that.
	And it's obviously eminently doable.
	But you have to be able to have an honest conversation about what the steps are leading up to that.
	They won't do it.
	That is the stat that is a significant majority and the most shocking that the amount of Muslims globally who believe in death for apostasy, even in the Western side, it is a majority and it's very scary.
	It's a part of their eschatology.
	Well, it's a part of their eschatology.
	No matter what branch of Islam that you kind of come from, eventually you either convert or you die.
	And it's not a holy God making a judgment.
	It is man, fallible man, making a judgment on other fallible men.
	That's not necessarily fair.
	I mean, they have the jizya for the dimmies.
	It's not that the sub-races and sub-religions can't exist.
	No, it absolutely means that.
	When that jizya tax goes away, and it does in their eschatological views, it goes away when the Mahdi comes and Jesus is his second in command.
	You either convert or die.
	It's totally in their Islamic eschatology.
	We're talking about a doomsday prophecy.
	No, we're talking about the end of the book, which every Christian is going to point to Revelation and say, this is how it ends.
	Every Muslim is going to point to the end of their book and say, this is how it ends.
	This is how we think things end.
	That's the natural end.
	I'm not saying they're doing it right now and trying to bring that about.
	There is apocalyptic Islam out there.
	The proposed ending of these books will never arrive, so we don't have to worry about that.
	Well, no, that's not necessarily true.
	So I understand that you don't like ideologies, but these people live...
	I'm fond of ideologies.
	I know, and that's totally reasonable, too.
	I'm not saying that's an unreasonable point.
	I'm saying that the people that you're talking about do like ideologies.
	They think that this is how it's going to end.
	Right.
	And that belief actually shapes their behavior today.
	So when people are in apocalyptic Islam, they believe most of the Iranians that you think are radicalized...
	Follow this kind of Islam where they believe they have to do certain acts to bring about the end of the world.
	Right, and so what you're saying then is you think that there are a lot of the radical Muslims who, you know, not just the Islamists we're talking about, because they're the people who want Sharia law, they want Islamic control of countries and people's personal lives and whatnot.
	You're not talking about those people, you're talking about the sort of people who blow themselves up.
	You think that they're doing it to help bring about the end-time prophecy?
	I think apocalyptic Islam.
	When you're talking about certain sects within Islam, they do it for that.
	The other reason is because there's no way...
	So if I'm a Christian, right?
	Worst case scenario, I waste my time, right?
	I live a deluded life.
	Hopefully it's full of good works and nice things, right?
	But I live a deluded life.
	I die and there's nothing, right?
	In Islam, if they believe that they really are going to die and face judgment, the only absolute way to go to heaven is to die in jihad.
	The only absolute way.
	And if I held the belief...
	That Allah was God and that Muhammad was his prophet.
	I would absolutely be scared to death that I would get there and I would have more good works than bad.
	But at the end of the day, it comes down to the mood of Allah.
	You have no idea.
	And so, no wonder they're blowing themselves up.
	Sometimes it's kind of a bit.
	Sometimes it's not going to be a good day to go.
	You've got to pick good.
	That is, I remember when I went to my Muslim...
	It's an interesting thing how so many of these jihadists are...
	People who did not lead very Islamic lives.
	And I think that's really confusing secularists.
	I think they're finding that really bizarre.
	And I've tried pointing this out in my videos, actually, when I've done videos about it.
	I think that this might be the sort of Islamic version of being a born-again Christian.
	Well, hold on.
	Born-again Christians aren't going out and blowing themselves up.
	It might be a good example.
	Maybe this is like Godfather III when Michael Corleone gives $20 billion to the Catholic Church to absolve himself.
	Maybe that's a better example.
	I'm not attacking Christianity.
	What I mean is throwing yourself into the faith.
	For Christians, they become very Christian.
	for Muslims, they might become terrorists.
	Yeah.
	And I'm not saying all of them are like this or anything, but I think it's the same motivation that drives them.
	They think that they've been neglecting their faith and they haven't done the spiritual duty.
	And then they look back and they've been like, "Christ, I've been eating pork, I've been fornicating, I've been drinking." I love that you started with pork.
	No, no.
	These are all prohibitions.
	No, I know.
	I'm just saying it's funny.
	And they sit there and go, okay, well, I mean, I could redeem myself via jihad.
	And that's a legitimate method.
	And I think that is the problem.
	I mean, in the Bible, there is no legitimacy to a holy war.
	There's no legitimacy for killing for the name of Jesus.
	Which is why the Orthodox patriarchs completely opposed it when the Pope was recommending crusades.
	And it's something people don't know.
	Thank you.
	Yes, it's true.
	But it is absolutely justified in the Quran, so...
	Yeah.
	Well, I think also something interesting, we do have to go, so I... Oh, come on!
	No, I know.
	But it's interesting that a lot of people go, well, these weren't really Muslims, as you can see, they're hypocrites, because the 9-11 hijackers, for example, spent their night in a strip club and they were drinking, or you can find...
	Maybe they're going to have their sins absolved.
	Exactly.
	They actually proactively plan, we're like...
	Yeah.
	I'm going to kill myself, but before, it's going to be one hell of a party, and I'm going to blow off the ladies' hip bones.
	I will say this.
	I love talking to you, man.
	It was a good conversation, and I'd love to do it again sometime, even if it's offline.
	You hijacked me.
	I'm the host.
	I'm just saying before you take over...
	We can go another time.
	I'll get you guys on my podcast or something when we have more time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just hammer out stuff.
	Now I'll let Steven say goodbye.
	Good lord.
	You can just edit that.
	I'm the host.
	You can carry on on your podcast now, Steven.
	Bye.
	Sargon of a Cad.
	You can follow him on YouTube.
	Careful with the Twitter, because sometimes he sends out pornography accidentally, mind you.
	Sargon of a Cad.
	Sorry, I didn't want to leave that as the last thing.
	Guilty as charged.
	Sorry?
	It's only everyone I want to piss off the right kind of people.
	Yes.
	And thanks so much for being with us, and we'll have you back, of course.
	And, oh, Jim Norton, I think we have coming up next.
	Sargon of a Cad.
	Next.
	What a show.
	What a show!
	An ode to the homemaker.
	Though ladies' work is often thought to be less meaningful, less fulfilling, and less productive than that of her hard-working male counterpart, the weaker sex earns her keep through the daily task of food preparation.
	Ensuring your hubby is fully satisfied is a daunting task.
	But how does she do it?
	What's her secret to ensuring 100% satisfaction morning, noon, and night?
	TheLadderWithCryder.com slash mugclub.
	Little lady's favorite helper for only $99 annually.
	$69 for students and veterans.
	The Mug Club is clinically proven to enhance the aroma and flavor of all beverages and soups by 64%.
	No more fat lips for you.
	You too can enjoy these clinically proven results as well as daily programming at louderwithclatter.com slash mugclub.
	No more fat lips.
	It's library time.
	It's library time.
	That used to be actually a show.
	I'd watch Video Arcade in Top 10 in Montreal, and they'd say, it's letter time.
	It's completely irrelevant.
	PrepareWithCrowder.com.
	It's the last week for it.
	This is officially the last week, so by the time you're watching or listening to this show next week...
	You won't be able to get this deal anymore.
	PrepareWithCreditor.com.
	I'm not a doomsday guy.
	I'm not a prepper, but you don't have to be.
	Natural disasters like the ice storm in Montreal.
	We've talked about this.
	We went a week and a half without access to food, water, heat.
	So $99 for a 30-day emergency.
	You go years.
	He's like a love camel.
	Preparewithcrowder.com.
	That's where you go.
	$99 shipped, free, a 30-day emergency food supply kit or call 888-411-5153.
	Listen, just set it and forget it as you hear in the infomercials.
	You put it in your pantry.
	You've got it.
	It pretty much never goes bad in case there's any kind of a natural disaster at that price.
	For me, I'm glad they're a sponsor and it pays to be prepared.
	Preparewithcrowder.com.
	It says, the last week, $99 shipped to your door.
	30 days.
	You have that peace of mind.
	I mean, you have the peace of mind that you know there's enough food in there.
	But, I mean, if it's a terrorist attack, you're probably not going to have peace of mind.
	Okay, I need a disclaimer.
	We legally cannot ensure your peace of mind.
	So please don't send letters.
	Preparewithcrowder.com.
	Last week.
	Dark Knight here.
	I don't require the use of firearms because I work out so much.
	But most of you out there do.
	Like my faithful sidekick, Robin, he's always packing.
	For reasons that are self-explanatory.
	In today's world, it pays to be careful.
	Which is why you can join the Dark Knight on April 8th in Fort Worth for the annual Second Amendment Awards put on by the United States Concealed Carry Association.
	Go to 2AAwards.com to enjoy a night filled with special guests.
	Steven Crowder, Nat Gay Jared, Eric Federer in 88, 88, Tim Kennedy, and more.
	Alfred, we're taping a commercial!
	Alfred, you're supposed to knock into the Batcave!
	I don't care how old you are!
	I have a good mind to kick the ever-loving out of you, Alfred!
	We're taping!
	We're taping in 4K! It's EXPECTIVE, Alfred!
	It's better to have loved and lost than ever to have loved at all.
	Come cheer up my nights.
	Come cheer up my nights.
	It's better to have loved and lost.
	All right.
	Glad to have this next guest.
	He is possibly the most flaky guest who I've wanted to have on the show behind the scenes.
	I don't know how many times we've booked and rebooked him.
	His special is out now on Netflix.
	His stand-up special, Mouthful of Shame, warning to people who haven't seen him before.
	It's certainly not for the faint of heart, but it is hilarious.
	Jim Norton, thank you for being with us, sir.
	Thank you, Steven.
	Yeah, I'm sorry it was so hard to schedule.
	We kept scheduling and redoing it, but I'm happy we're finally doing this.
	That's okay.
	I'm really glad to do it.
	You just kept blowing me off.
	It's okay.
	No, I'm really bad, dude.
	I think my memory is going.
	Sometimes on the podcast, my memory, dude, I literally have to be reminded of everything.
	I'm like, the only thing I can remember is my act.
	Like, anything else I forget.
	It doesn't help that you're on there with Matt Serra, too, because he just shoots off in a new tangent.
	No, no, seriously, bro.
	Last time when I knocked that guy out, bro.
	And you're like, what happened?
	And then he's talking about some enchilada he had.
	Matt is all over the place.
	His synopses are always fiery.
	Jimmy Norton!
	He's such a fun guy, though.
	He probably is the most popular guy in mixed martial arts.
	He's a really lovely dude.
	You know, it's actually funny.
	One of my first jiu-jitsu instructors in New York, by the way, for people listening, Jimmy Norton, people watching.
	We met on Red Eye a long time ago, right?
	Many years ago.
	Red Eye, the comedy seller.
	I know you a long time.
	I don't have cable.
	Are you still doing Red Eye regularly now?
	I know it's kind of shifted.
	I was doing it only on Mondays.
	I would do it every Monday for a couple of years.
	But then, like, I didn't want to be a Fox consultant because, look, I understand my act is.
	I'm harsh.
	Fox doesn't want to be married to me publicly.
	I don't blame them.
	Yeah.
	But then, like, when they wouldn't pay me anything to come in, I'm like, you could just pay me the minimum consultant.
	Like, whatever the minimum.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm sitting around the room and I'm like, I write a lot of jokes for this, and I'm the only guy in the room not getting paid.
	What am I doing?
	Right.
	I'm like a dumb prostitute.
	I'm just showing up and getting nothing.
	Will this make you love me now, Roger Ailes?
	Can I be motorboater next to Megyn Kelly?
	Well, hey, look, if I knew that would have worked, believe me, I would have thrown some pumps and marched backwards into his office.
	You know what, Abbott?
	I actually never met Roger.
	I was just told he doesn't like you.
	He doesn't think you're funny.
	Really?
	And then I found out that he thought what was really funny was this monkey on roller skates they wanted to put into a Fox business show.
	And I was like, well, I guess I don't feel half bad about it.
	But yeah, I remember that.
	You know, Red Eye had a lot of prep.
	prep, we were just talking about this, where a lot of these other shows, they'll do like these pre-interview interviews, and I'm not comfortable with that, because A, it's not reality when you're watching it, especially with a political show.
	It's like, yeah, show us all your cards, and then we'll bring you on to chat with Bill Maher, whoever it is.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	They asked me to do something on it.
	It might have been Cuomo's show on CNN. I don't remember it.
	Oh, the pool boy in chief.
	Yeah, I don't remember what they wanted from me, but they were like, well, you're not as conservative as we thought.
	Like, I don't really, I won't line up with anybody's, like, if they want me to say something on Fox& Friends or if they want me to say this, it's like, I don't like to plan.
	If some things Trump does, I like.
	Some things I think stink.
	Like everything else, you kind of go back and forth.
	I don't want to just have to give a certain answer to be on a show.
	Well, I think you were considered more conservative for a while because during that spell at Fox, people didn't appear on Fox News.
	Like, oh, you appeared on Fox News, and you were one of the first who was just willing to and weren't necessarily conservative or certainly wouldn't line up with a lot of the hosts there at Fox.
	Now, people, it's kind of accepted.
	I think with the web, things are so fragmented.
	Did you get a lot of backlash, though, when you did it, I mean, early on?
	Well, you know, maybe a little bit, but I think if you have conviction on why you're doing something, let them say what they want.
	I mean, I enjoyed it.
	I liked Greg Gutfeld.
	I think Greg is funny.
	And you know what?
	They let comedians be funny.
	Fox never once, however they editorialize news the same way every other network does, they never once came to me and said, hey, that doesn't fit in line with what we want.
	They would just go with anything.
	They never cared.
	They never made me send in my jokes.
	That's because they didn't pay you.
	I got called in specifically That's a good point.
	I call it a second floor specifically for, like, they read it from HuffPo.
	Jared, you know this story.
	They said, did you make a joke about raping Ashley Judd?
	I said, what?
	No, I did not.
	And I knew exactly what it was.
	Ashley Judd had just talked to business.
	She was, you know, she's just out of her mind, Ashley Judd.
	We all know this.
	So now I feel vindicated after the women's march because everyone's going like, that Ashley She doesn't choose when she gets her period.
	I don't know.
	Have you seen that clip of her saying that?
	No.
	Oh my god.
	We can't bring it up while he's on.
	We have that thing on a morphine drip on here.
	She was at the Women's March and she was reading slam poetry and it was like she tried to hit the emphasis and she's like, we don't choose!
	When we get our periods!
	And it's just the most uncomfortable.
	Yeah, I did actually see that.
	The slam poem.
	We made fun of that on the radio show.
	I forgot she did a slam.
	Slam poetry is really bad if you're 21 and good at it.
	Yes!
	When you're 55 and you suck at it, it's just, it's really uncomfortable.
	Yeah, I remember I showed up to an...
	I'm nasty!
	Like my bloodstains on my bed sheets, we don't actually choose!
	Oh!
	She seems like one of those claims in the Rudolph special.
	She thinks I'm cute!
	Only talking about menstruation.
	That's uncomfortable.
	It is very uncomfortable.
	Exactly.
	You're Jim Norton and you're uncomfortable with that.
	I really am.
	That's like a Howard Dean moment.
	You just watch it and you collapse inside.
	You're like, oh my god, that will never go away.
	I know.
	And she did it willingly.
	I mean, that's where they're so out of touch, like the super far left now.
	I mean, that's the crazy thing.
	When I met you and I met Ant, you know, there at Fox, it didn't really matter to me whether you were conservative.
	And I was like, oh, we can connect on this level.
	And I just, I always had a really hard time, probably because I'm in the entertainment industry since I was so young, being surrounded by these insane people like the Ashley Judds.
	It just seems like there's an incapability.
	I don't know if you see this in the comedy world, for the left to just connect together.
	sometimes on a human level because it's just pure insanity.
	Everything is offensive now.
	Everything is offensive.
	That's got to be hard for a guy like you who, I mean, you're pretty offensive right out of the chute.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's hard for them to get me on anything because I'm talking about my own life and my own experiences and it's like, hey, you go out and admit the stuff I admit.
	If not, shut your faces.
	You really can't nail me on it because I'm not trying to be offensive.
	I don't think any of it's offensive.
	So yeah, sometimes comedians have to remember, we've got to at least attempt to be funny.
	Political humor is great, talk about it, but I'm not out, dude.
	I'm not going to change one opinion.
	My job is to try to be funny and hopefully people understand why I feel the way I feel.
	That's it.
	I'm not going to change anybody.
	I'm not going to lecture and preach to anybody.
	I'm not smarter.
	But we all line up and it seems like people love Obama or they hate him.
	Nobody just kind of likes him.
	It's the same with Trump.
	People think he's great or he's Hitler.
	There's no one that will say, like, yeah, he does say a lot of stupid stuff, but hey, look, some of the stuff he's doing for jobs might make sense and Some of these ideas might make sense.
	We have no ability just to judge a guy like a guy.
	I wouldn't sell myself short, though, that way.
	I don't know about changing opinions, but I think you change people's perceptions.
	We were talking about this with Nick DiPaolo.
	You mentioned this, too, at the Comedy Cellar, and I always felt this way, and you crystallized it when you were talking about the Just for Laughs, the nasty show.
	Oh, the nasty.
	Like, they sold it that way.
	They have signs.
	You know, I grew up there across the city.
	I was like, just say comedy show.
	Like, everything had to have a hook.
	And I think if people categorize you as the nasty comic, you change perceptions because you're pretty cerebral, even in the perversion.
	Well, thanks.
	But, you know, I try to be, like this said, The Mouthful of Shame is dirtier than my last ones were.
	It just is the way my life has been going.
	There's a lot of personal stuff.
	When you're single for five years, you're not going to fire out a lot of poignant political points.
	I've been doing a lot of computer activity, so I talk about it.
	This is why everybody's so nasty to each other on Twitter.
	Nobody feels like they're being heard.
	We yell at each other because nobody feels like anyone hears their opinion.
	So I feel like I can express my opinion as long as I let people know, like, yeah, I have heard yours and considered it.
	I don't agree with it.
	People don't get as mad if you don't agree with them as they do when they feel like you're not hearing them.
	So I try to let you know why I feel the way I do, and if you don't agree, so what?
	I wonder if that's why you're able to be more balanced in your approach because as someone who, for whatever people think about your comedy, it's deeply, I just, for anyone who's watching, I had blood, like a whole vial of blood taking me, so I'm a little slow.
	It's deeply personal.
	So you actually chose when you had your period.
	Yes, I chose when I had my period.
	Oh, God.
	Even just like referencing, I know it's just so cringy.
	But it's very personal for you.
	So I wonder if since your platform has kind of always been, you've sort of filleted your, I hate, it sounds so like self-important when comedians are like, I'm filleting myself for the audience.
	But you've been so open personally that maybe you don't feel the need to scream to be heard because every night you get up, you're effectively being heard.
	People are hearing me.
	And I always felt it was my job just to be honest and try to be funny.
	And that's it.
	I want to be as original as I possibly can be.
	And part of it is my own life is my own thing.
	So I know I'm being original when I talk about my life.
	That was kind of what motivated me to do it.
	And I do make fun of myself because I like to make fun of myself.
	That's my internal monologue just coming out.
	I mean, those jokes I've done about putting a dildo between my man breasts and shooting myself, those are real thoughts I've had over the years.
	I just said it on stage and people enjoyed it, but I didn't write that down.
	I didn't think that'd be clever to write.
	It just kind of came out and people related to the irrational self-hatred.
	So if you just talk about, I think, if you're honest, people can kind of smell it, you know?
	Yeah, I think people can.
	And it still doesn't mean necessarily that it works.
	You know, as long as it doesn't work.
	I had a bit about suicide that I did, suicide by cop fire, and kind of tying it into my own mental defects.
	And you tried doing that at a county Republican meeting where they brought me in for a fundraiser, you know?
	Oh, Jared, were you there that one day when it got dead quiet?
	I had the bit about cutting in front of the retarded kids at the pizza party.
	No, but I wish I was there for that.
	That sounds great.
	And it's true.
	It's a true story.
	My wife volunteers with special needs kids.
	And at one time, they have this pizza party at the end of the year.
	It's a thing called Friendship Club.
	And I legitimately cut in line.
	And if you've never felt the fires of hell at your soul...
	in front of a retarded kid at a pizza party, and I got called on it.
	And so I had this bit, and it usually kills, and I just sort of was doing it at this, you know, I was in a jacket.
	It was this fundraising setting, and the moment I started doing it, I saw the white hairs in the audience, and I said, oh, this is not going to go well.
	Well, sometimes, you know, it's funny.
	The funny thing about that is the fact that you're telling on yourself publicly.
	Like, that to me is like, we all do cringy things like, oh my God, I should be executed.
	But the fact that you go on stage and go, look what an ass I was, that to me is the fun part of that.
	And that's why that's a good story to tell because everyone has done stuff that they look back on and go like, oh God, why did I do that?
	Yeah.
	So I don't think there's anything wrong with telling that story, especially if it's under the umbrella of, hey, look, we all suck sometimes.
	This was my turn.
	Yeah, that's quite a bit more suck, though.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, it's really pretty bad.
	Oh, yeah, the Ashley Judd joke.
	How was the pizza, by the way?
	Was it worth it?
	No, it was Little Caesars.
	It wasn't even worth it.
	No, Little Caesars.
	Little sleaze.
	Yeah, and it's actually probably one of my best, at that time, best bits, just in this audience.
	And then I could not win them back, because they're like, this person is Satan.
	Yeah, that's a tough one.
	Yeah, that's a tough one.
	It's a tough one to rebound from.
	The Ashley Jett thing, it's funny that you've never been called in at Foxy.
	I was HuffPo.
	I remember for a long time, HuffPo, if I made a joke, because I'd go to CPAC or they'd ask me to MC and I'd say, sure, and it'd be televised.
	And anything offensive was a joke about Ashley.
	Yeah.
	And it was like it was a throwaway one of those topical things that you do in that time because like, OK, I have to MC this deal.
	This just happened in the news.
	The bit was something like she classifies anything she doesn't like as rape.
	Now she knows how I felt after Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood.
	Something silly like that.
	Right, right, right.
	But headline, Steven Kreider jokes about raping Ashley Judd.
	And I got called in at Fox.
	I'm like, you really think I would joke about raping Ashley Judd?
	And there were some people there who, even when I explained the joke, thought it was a rape joke.
	It's not a rape joke.
	It's an Ashley Judd is an insensitive moron for comparing iPhones to rape.
	Joke.
	Also, I'd get nowhere near that.
	Yes.
	And then I hate when people do this to you, when they'll go, well, if you have to explain it, it's not funny.
	And it's like, why is it always my fault?
	Like, how can people with ears don't have responsibility, too?
	Like, why is it always the guy saying it and never, hey, dumbbell, you misinterpreted that joke.
	Why is it no one's fault for misinterpreting it?
	Yeah, you know, that's a good point.
	Especially, there's a lot more leeway for musical artists where it's just like, ah, it's just the way you interpret it.
	Or actors.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, or actors.
	Well, I know what they do is so silly.
	They read lines off a script and they talk about how I really opened myself up.
	Like, what?
	You were in a trailer and then you played a gay guy with a lisp when they yelled action and you made $20 million.
	I don't get what's brave about that.
	Yeah, that wasn't particularly brave.
	And look, it's a great skill to have.
	Right.
	But somebody at the Oscars...
	And look, I liked her.
	I thought she was moving.
	I forget her name.
	She was like, we celebrate people's lives.
	Oh, hold on.
	Olivia something.
	I don't know.
	I tried to wipe that from my memory bank, the Oscars.
	Yeah, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
	Honestly, there was a little bit, but it wasn't as bad...
	No, two years ago was Oscars So White.
	That was really bad, where everything was like, oh, so now another white nominee, and it was always a new affront.
	And then I just saw Beauty and the Beast.
	It was set in 1740s France, and they have black royalty, because apparently slavery wasn't a thing.
	I'm like, come on, you have 30% of the Beauty and the Beast cast of French monarchy as black people in powdered wigs.
	It was Viola Davis, wasn't it?
	Viola Davis.
	Viola Davis.
	Yes, yes.
	Viola Davis, yes.
	How dare you get those two mixed up?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I said Olivia, and I didn't know where I was going with it.
	I knew Olivia, and I just petered out.
	The only Olivia we know is Newton-John.
	She still looks good in her age, actually.
	Who is the other?
	No, there's another one.
	Octavia.
	Oh, Octavia Spencer?
	Octavia Spencer.
	Olivia Wilde is another Olivia.
	That's true.
	But I'm out of Olivia's.
	There's two Olivias and I'm tapped out of Olivia's.
	Okay, what were we going to say before we got into the Olivia thing?
	Something about the Oscars?
	Was there a point?
	Oh, I don't even remember.
	Maybe just her speech being self-important.
	I don't even remember.
	How artists get a little self-important about their role.
	And it's like, you know, our role is to be, again, as a comic, express what I want to express and be funny or try to be funny while I'm doing it.
	That's it.
	Hopefully people laugh.
	Yeah, well, you know, I do ask, so I have to ask you this then, because we've talked, we've had different points of view, and I've talked with Joe Rogan about it, Nick DiPaolo.
	Who else did we talk with?
	Harrison Greenbaum, who got really mad.
	I like Harrison.
	Yeah, he got really mad.
	He said that I shouldn't be able to use gay as a pejorative.
	And he's like, do you know what pejorative means?
	I said, yes.
	He's like, so you still think it's okay?
	I said, yes.
	And his head exploded on this show.
	I said, that's gay?
	He's like, you said it in a pejorative way.
	I said, yes.
	And he's like, do you know what that means?
	I said, yes.
	And he couldn't believe it.
	We see a lot of this with this sort of next generation of comedians coming up.
	I feel like, and I could be wrong, as someone who sees both sides of this coin, a lot of young kids going to open mics or even doing sort of the YouTube comedy, where it's changed, where there were a lot of people who comedy was all about free speech.
	There were even some names we could throw out there who were shocked comedians, and then they shut the door behind them, and now they're out there protesting and accusing people of hate speech.
	Do you feel like there's...
	It might be tough because you sell out theaters now, but do you feel like there's a different vibe where a lot of comedians are afraid?
	And not just not guys like you who are successful because you have an audience no matter what.
	But for the kid who is going to run up against the club book or who doesn't want to deal with the lawsuit or someone accusing him of hate speech.
	Does that ever cross your mind?
	It concerns me sometimes.
	Yeah, it bothers me that when comedians start saying what other comedians should say, and I do think that people are afraid of it, but it's almost like there's no way to tell.
	Like, look, nobody goes on stage.
	Even my audience is very harsh.
	If I went on stage and started throwing out n-bombs with anger behind them, the audience wouldn't go with me.
	It would seem ugly.
	Or if I was up there bashing gay people in a way that meant like I really hated gay people, they wouldn't go with that because they'd be like, eh, it's kind of ugly.
	But the problem is when you're really not trying to be hateful and people know you're not trying to be hateful, and it's almost like the landmines aren't set.
	You're walking and someone's backing up in front of you, throwing the landmines, or if you step on one, you're a terrible person and they got you and they love to get you.
	It's not even about the language or gay people or black people or Jews or women.
	It's not about any special interest group.
	It's about getting people.
	We love to get each other.
	But isn't it more concerning when now you see comedians doing that?
	Oh, my God.
	It's terrible.
	It's absolutely terrible.
	Because it's like, hey, dumbbells, what do you think?
	You're not next?
	What do you think?
	They're not going to come after you someday?
	Like the girl who went after Stephen Colbert, Suey Park.
	With Cancel Colbert.
	I think he said chinky or something.
	He did some Asian slur.
	Right.
	But it was in the context of pointing out how something was really racist.
	He wasn't being anti-Asian and she knew it.
	Right.
	And she still went after him and still targeted him.
	And then she said her life was ruined because of online backlash.
	It's like that's what you get.
	So even people that want to kill you...
	For doing it, now all of a sudden it turns around and gets them in the face because they don't realize the ugliness of just targeting people and playing gotcha.
	It's ugly, man.
	I never want to see people get fired.
	I don't want to see anybody get fired for saying something stupid.
	I've said a million stupid things.
	I know, and we always talk about that.
	It's like the good thing is we have such a long catalog and open book with this show where they pull some out and say, did you say this?
	I don't know, probably.
	Sounds like something I would say.
	And you kind of have to move along down the trail, you know?
	But we talk about like Ted Cruz.
	People would send him messages like, are you sure you want to go on this show?
	This is a show that played Spot the Tranny.
	And they're like, yeah, but they do so much stuff that's just outlandish.
	Who cares at this point?
	They clearly don't hate transgender people.
	We had the first transgender mayor of New York on here.
	Jess Hurst!
	And Spot's Franny, by the way.
	Every time you win that game, it's usually a picture of them with me.
	It's a fun game.
	I think, actually, Nick DiPello is the reigning champion, isn't he, Jared?
	He is.
	He was really good at it.
	It was disturbing.
	Yeah, it was disturbing.
	Good for Nick.
	He's got some juice in the tank.
	I've been hanging out with Gavin.
	I could talk about this forever.
	We have other guests that we have on, but it definitely concerns me when comedians do that.
	So even though I've always been a clean comedian, I guess, I don't know.
	I mean a lot of people are surprised that some of my favorite comics aren't.
	Anyone who's willing to open that floor and let someone else have the floor is just something that I respect.
	You don't see a lot of it in politics and you're seeing less of it in comedy.
	So I do it not to get serious, but I do appreciate that about you.
	There are a lot of comics who don't do that now and it scares me.
	I never want anybody to be shut up because of what they say.
	It's so silly.
	Because I say so many things that people find vulgar.
	Even if they're not dirty, just a certain opinion I might have.
	Like, I'm for this or I'm against that or I'm for this.
	I don't want someone telling me I can't say it.
	Right.
	So, like, I'm a bit of a pig in my real life, and I'm dirty on stage, and I say it, and if people like it, they come, and if they don't like it, they don't have to come.
	Like, whatever.
	Sean Hannity, you know, I like Hannity because he defended the Opie and Anthony show years ago.
	He goes, if you don't like it, turn it off.
	Yeah.
	And it was like, you know, people think that the conservatives are the ones marching down the street with pitchforks, but they're not anymore.
	No.
	And it's disappointing, because I agree with liberals on a lot of social issues, but come on, guys, you've got to stop with the language.
	Yeah, and we had this conversation, I remember, a while ago.
	We were even talking about the First Amendment and kind of separation of church and state.
	And I remember you were talking about it, and I said, well, hold on.
	You were talking about the church and their taxism status and why you thought they shouldn't have that.
	And I said, well, let me explain to you why I think they should.
	And even there, you and I disagreed on this issue.
	I remember I was having a conversation.
	I think you had an iced coffee.
	And I said, oh, okay.
	And that was it.
	It's just so rare now for that to occur.
	We've hit a point where that's the anomaly.
	That's the exception rather than the rule.
	And it's bizarre to me.
	Because we have to win.
	It's almost like I've been on Tinder before, and like women have said like, I mean a lot.
	I act like it was a casual thing.
	I'm on Tinder, I'm on Bumble, I'm on Raya.
	But I've actually seen women in their profiles, if you voted for Trump, swipe left.
	Like, it's like, really?
	Like, first of all, if I voted for Trump and I thought you were hot, don't you think I would just lie?
	Who could crack that code, genius?
	How stupid are you?
	Like, I wouldn't tell you.
	Like, as you're wiping your back off, I'd go, make America great again.
	That's what I would do.
	What's wrong with people?
	Are we that divided?
	You can't date someone?
	It's like, first off, are you clean?
	Yes.
	Did you vote for Trump?
	No.
	No!
	I just can't believe someone...
	I can't believe I'm married, so obviously I'm not out in the dating game, but I can't believe someone would put that as a prerequisite.
	A, it's...
	I wouldn't be able to marry someone who was a leftist, I will tell you that.
	I wouldn't be able to marry the choose kind of liberal.
	Right.
	But, I mean, I wouldn't put out that litmus test that could so easily be cheated.
	That's funny.
	It's funny, like, I don't mind.
	When you look at Carville and his wife, who was Marilyn...
	Maitland or Madeline or...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know who you're talking.
	She was a Republican strategist.
	Yeah, like, they're kind of a fun, ideal couple.
	And I know James, and I like him a lot, even though, again, politically we're probably different.
	I think he's a bit more liberal than I am, more in the center.
	But, like, I like people who I'm different than I like.
	I know a lot of real conservative, hardcore guys that I like.
	I like you.
	You're a lot more conservative than me.
	That's silly.
	Don't admit that publicly.
	I don't let people's politics judge whether or not I like them.
	I mean, I like people who challenge what I think.
	There's some really smart, real conservatives and real smart, real liberals, and they challenge what you think, and that's great.
	Yeah.
	Okay, we have to get going.
	One thing I will say to Matt Serra, my first jiu-jitsu instructor when I lived in New York, I won't say who he is, but he was of an opposing school of Alliance Jiu-Jitsu.
	Back then there was a huge rivalry with Matt Serra.
	Okay.
	Henzo and Alliance Jiu Jitsu.
	And I remember I asked a question about Matt Serra specifically to my instructor.
	And everyone else was like, don't do that.
	Don't do that.
	And I said, why?
	And they sent me a link to this videotape of just Matt Serra running roughshod over this guy.
	It was like this...
	Underground jiu-jitsu match.
	You know, the old VHS squiggly lines.
	And they were like, you still got a sore spot about it.
	And this guy was my first instructor.
	So I just remember watching because I'd never seen Matt Serra grapple.
	He was just like, I mean, he looked like a little ninja turtle on crack.
	The guy is so fluid.
	And I've always been a fan.
	So I'm glad that you two are doing that show.
	And then your special is, let people know, you can plug it best.
	Mouthful of Shame on Netflix.
	It's up now, and I call it that because I'm embarrassed by what comes out of my mouth and what I put in it.
	So I hope you like this special.
	And I'm on with Jim Norton and Sam Roberts on SiriusXM.
	I appreciate it, Stephen.
	This was a lot of fun, man.
	Anytime, I'd love to do it again.
	Absolutely.
	We'll get you back sooner than later next time.
	Just answer your phone!
	Jim Norton, everybody.
	Mouthful of Shame on Netflix.
	We'll be back with more of something after this.
	Thanks, buddy.
	All right, Mr. Crudder, how are we doing today?
	Good morning.
	Are you rolling for me now?
	Nope.
	Now have we subscribed to louderwithcrudder.com for all your daily news and podcast needs?
	Yeah, I subscribe on iTunes and I bookmark the site.
	It's a good one.
	Good, good.
	A little stick here.
	Boom.
	There we go.
	Like a champ.
	So that's the Ebola shot?
	No, Zika.
	Oh, so I'm immunized against Zika now?
	No, you have Zika.
	What do you mean?
	I just give you Zika.
	Long after Hubby has retired for the night, the work of the homemaker continues.
	The tedious task of matching Hubby's socks and folding his trousers can take well late into the night.
	But fear not!
	After all is in its place, and after he's entirely satisfied, girl time can begin.
	And how does a little lady prefer to unwind?
	With straight vodka, antidepressants, and a little help from LottoWithCrowder.com slash MugClub.
	Only $99 annually, $69 for students and veterans.
	TheLotterWithCryder.com slash mugclub is clinically proven to enhance alcohol absorption by 34%.
	So let loose and just be your...
	Oh my!
	Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
	It appears I've been hoodwinked.
	That's no dame but a full-blown tranny.
	Skunked again.
	Ladderwithcratter.com slash mug club.
	Join now for daily Ladder with Crudder content, and to avoid any more unpleasant, unnatural surprise.
	Thank you.
	Alright, glad to glad to be back.
	Jim Norton, Sargon of Akkad, great guests.
	I wish I could say great week.
	Not such a great week as far as news.
	Some sad stuff.
	Sad week.
	It happens.
	Sad week.
	Come across those.
	Terrorism.
	Terrorism.
	Lost a part of her.
	Let's never get that back.
	You know, we have a big week next week, by the way.
	We have Colin Oriardi.
	We have Eddie and Jimmy Russell Distillers over there at Wild Turkey.
	I think we have Roaming Millennial, Gavin.
	So check it for those who aren't Mug Club members, lottowithcudder.com slash mugclub.
	It's less than $6 a month, but if you haven't done it now, you're a cheap bastard.
	There's nothing I can do to convince you.
	You know...
	I was just trying to think.
	The boiling point of water.
	Maybe Edward, is it two...
	It's 100 degrees Celsius.
	It's 100 degrees Celsius.
	I'm trying to think Fahrenheit.
	Okay, I know it's 100 degrees Celsius.
	I was trying to do Fahrenheit for Americans.
	It's 212.
	I was like, yeah, 212.
	I don't remember who told me this, but it's funny.
	Well, let's start off this way.
	With the London situation, if you watched last night's show, and if you see the way we tried to cover it at the website...
	It is remarkable as to just how inept the media was at covering that.
	And it is remarkable as to the level of work we were required to do to try and get to the truth.
	And we weren't able to.
	We weren't able to do it at any point yesterday.
	It only came out this morning.
	But that didn't stop everyone on both mainstream media and a lot of alternative media from floating conspiracies.
	And sometimes just putting out information.
	We talk about this.
	Sometimes people just put out information that they know is flat out wrong.
	Just to see if people will bite.
	Yep.
	Happens all the time.
	Well, this is clickbait culture.
	So if you can get the clicks, you can get the traffic, you can get the hoorahs from whatever side of the, you know, if it's a white guy wearing a MAGA hat, then you want to tweet that and Photoshop that.
	If it's, you know, Osama bin Laden himself, then that's going to get you some clicks too.
	Wait, what?
	You know.
	I don't know.
	I was with you until that last part.
	Yesterday, Devin Nunez, the top topic on the trending tweets was, Devin Nunez just got Trump impeached.
	And I remember clicking it, and I read through this article, at least three or four paragraphs, until I realized, oh, it's complete bullcrap.
	It had nothing to do with the story.
	I thought there was something new occurring with the story.
	And there wasn't.
	So it wasn't a thing.
	So people out there need to stop trying to make something a thing just because they want to get to it first.
	They want to get a scoop.
	It's more important to be right.
	Same thing with Donald Trump and Russia.
	CNN is a case study.
	In completely devaluing your brand, your integrity, and any faith that people have in you.
	I mean, Fox News and MSNBC, people always saw it as opinionated journalism.
	People never really saw it as news, regardless of whether you're right or left.
	But CNN kind of rested on laurels of, we're the real news network, CNN. And I don't know anyone who thinks that's the case anymore.
	Anyone on the left, anyone on the right.
	Chris Cuomo does, but, you know, he's...
	It's true.
	I think having so many more news markets, all these, you know...
	YouTube news channels and little podcasts and little websites and Tumblr news stations, whatever it is.
	I think all that, and Twitter, especially Twitter and Facebook, has just changed the pace of news so much that there is this eagerness to get on stories first, and then what...
	When you can't do that, you just throw integrity out the window.
	Just say, anything, just beat these guys.
	So even if it's wrong, just beat those guys.
	And we do it, too.
	If we get something through the tip line and we think, wait, do we have an exclusive on here?
	Do we have a scoop here?
	But in the nature of what we do, we're not really required to be first.
	People read or they watch what we do regardless.
	Sure, because they want a different opinion.
	Yeah, they want an opinion.
	They want to be entertained.
	So we're not required to.
	But even then, there's a poll where it's...
	Well, hold on a second.
	Is this true?
	Do we know if we'll get to this first?
	Do we know if we're going to have information that other people don't have?
	That always feels good for lack of a better word.
	You feel like you're a member of an exclusive club.
	So that temptation is there for everybody.
	But instead of trying to be first, I would just like to see people do right.
	I'd just like to see journalists and everyone out there in the blogosphere, on the right-wing blogosphere too.
	Clickbait is a really big problem right now in the era of Trump on the right.
	Just do a little more work, just a little more due diligence.
	Same thing, obviously, we're talking about CNN and Russia.
	I mean, they're a case.
	No one believes you anymore, CNN.
	No one believes you at all.
	Anytime you say Russia, people do not believe you because BuzzFeed, there was no fact checking the Russian prostitute story.
	Doesn't seem like this story that came out yesterday has – doesn't seem like there's anything behind it.
	Doesn't seem like there's any weight behind it.
	And just with that little bit of extra work, I know sometimes people out there think, well, okay, this is good enough.
	And this is where I actually, I had a coach, I think, one time tell me this.
	Water, I'm going to go with Celsius.
	Water at 99 degrees is really hot.
	Water at 100 degrees boils.
	And so even though that step might seem minute, even though it may seem really, really small, maybe fact checking, maybe waiting that extra few minutes, maybe just putting in that little bit of extra work, maybe just doing a little bit more digging, maybe making that extra phone call to corroborate your sources, or even let's remove it from news in anything that you do in your life, whether you want to be a journalist, whether you want to be a doctor, whether you want to be a philosopher, whether you want to get a PhD in women's studies, for all I care.
	Just going that little extra mile, that little degree can be the difference between being hot, being warm, and boiling.
	And I don't think we see people right now in media, that's my milieu, media going that little extra bit, just that little extra degree.
	I think we've just seen that.
	That's why it seems to be a cascade.
	We're like, was it always this bad?
	How could they have gotten so bad so quickly?
	Well, they could have just pulled back by a degree.
	That's all it takes.
	And then you see the Chris Cuomos of the world.
	You see the clickbait culture of the world.
	You see the completely uncorroborated stories that are put out there as facts in the world.
	I mean, like I said, New York Post, Channel 4 News.
	These are news sources that were looked at as a beacon of truth at one point.
	Just that little extra degree in media makes a huge difference and in your daily life.
	When you're a little bit tired, when you don't feel like doing it, that's kind of the definition of discipline.
	Doing something when you don't feel like it.
	Doing something once the excitement's worn off.
	It's really easy to talk about news.
	It's really easy to go out and fancy yourself a journalist when you're at the number one network and it's hot and it's clipping along.
	That's not really discipline.
	When it's hard, when you don't know what's going on, when things are uncertain, when it requires a little more due diligence, that's what discipline is.
	is it's doing something after the excitement, after the enthusiasm has worn off.
	And that's why people who are disciplined, it could be the gym, Lena Dunham.
	It could be journalists, which I would like to see some disciplined journalism.
	It could be anything that you're doing.
	You want to be a writer, you want to be an actor, you want to be a comedian, whatever it is, that discipline really tends to be what separates people.
	It separates that elite level as we see it and everyone else.
	And it's just a matter of one degree.
	And so I'd like to see today media journalists go that little extra degree because we don't want to.
	We're not disciplined.
	We're lazy.
	And we don't want to do your work for you.
	See you next week, Mug Club members.

▲