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Aug. 19, 2016 - Louder with Crowder

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#87 OMG CNN CAUGHT LYING!! Dinesh D’Souza and Joey Salads | Louder With Crowder

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	You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
	Politics.
	Civility.
	How about honesty in this country, folks?
	Entertainment.
	I don't like entertainment.
	And a whole bunch of other stuff.
	It's about having a healthy body image.
	You have a very unhealthy body.
	You should have a horrible body image.
	Not a big home improvement market in Detroit.
	We are definitely going to get letters.
	You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
	You're a strange animal.
	That's what I know.
	You're getting louder with Crowder.
	But you're a strange animal.
	I've got to follow.
	Oh, I'm in the speedy to sound.
	Glad to be with you.
	I am your host, Stephen Crudder.
	That's the sound of the weekend, and what a week it has been.
	Producing with me in video studio, as always, is NotGayJarred.
	You can follow him on Twitter at NotGayJarred.
	I fulfill my legal obligations.
	Draw your own conclusions.
	NotGayJarred is already looking at Hopper, chewing on the squirrel.
	He is.
	He's just demolishing it.
	Hey, Hopper, stop it.
	Just going for it.
	Later in the show.
	It adds character later on.
	At the outset, it's just distracting.
	We're going to get to a lot in this program.
	We have Dinesh D'Souza.
	A lot of people were saying when we tweeted this out, do you actually have Dinesh D'Souza on or is it just you doing an impression of Dinesh D'Souza?
	To you, I said, I don't know what you're talking about, but Dinesh D'Souza is on this program.
	Joey Salads will be on.
	Some people are saying, who screens your guest?
	Listen, I get that Joey, he's like internet sort of jackass stuff to pull some weird pranks, but he's also come out of the closet as more conservative, has faced some backlash.
	It's an interesting story.
	Later on, we'll have Super Mexican.
	Not sure yet, maybe not confirmed chat with AIDS because something happened here behind the scenes.
	I don't want to say it involves the AIDS. No.
	But a lot has happened.
	You know, it's funny.
	Sometimes we do this show once a week.
	Obviously, hashtag NeverDaily.
	Milwaukee, we didn't really talk about last week.
	If you go back...
	It happened after the show, I think.
	Right.
	It was corn gains we were talking about.
	And now that's sort of died down a little bit.
	But obviously that's the main...
	I mean, it dominated the headlines up until Wednesday.
	Yep.
	So we will get to some other stories later on.
	We'll get into the Amy Schumer, the recent rape hint.
	It's not really about rape.
	In stand-up comedy, Larry Wilmore, whose show is canceled.
	Guess why he thinks it was canceled?
	I'm going to go on racism.
	Stop it.
	You're supposed to foreshadow.
	You're not supposed to ruin it.
	Foreshadowing has nothing to do with racism.
	A little less predictable than Comedy Central.
	But I'm sure you could have guessed that.
	We also have This Week in Social Justice Outrage because there was so much.
	We had so many.
	We're going, well, do you want to make this a segment?
	There's about five or six from this week.
	What do we have?
	We have Cam Newton, Black Olives Matter, Ellen DeGeneres, Ryan Lochte.
	We're just going to sandwich it into one segment.
	You could do about 12 segments worth, which is a whole show.
	You could do a whole show on the outrage.
	All right.
	Speaking of outrageous, that's what we call a segue, we have right off the bat CNN. So this happened this week with Milwaukee.
	Well, let's just kind of give you the ins and outs of Milwaukee.
	First, a guy, Sylville Smith?
	Yep.
	Sylville Smith was shot by a police officer.
	So Black Lives Matter, you know, man the cannons!
	And they waited for precisely zero facts, started as one does, rioting and burning stuff down in the streets.
	One might call it a trend, Stephen.
	One might call it...
	A trend.
	Causation does not equal correlation, regardless of how many CVS's get burned down.
	So this was going around, and CNN, God bless them, the beacon of journalistic integrity that they are, they ran a segment from the perpetrator slash victim's sister.
	And she was caught.
	This is the original thing.
	This is the original video they released on CNN. Let's just let you watch this, and then we'll show you why it matters.
	With his sister calling for peace.
	Don't bring the violence here and the ignorance here.
	Milwaukee police say they made multiple arrests overnight.
	We're still waiting on those final numbers.
	So there you go.
	That's what they ran.
	Sister bringing calls to peace.
	Don't bring the violence here.
	You would watch it and it seems like she's saying...
	Seems...
	Yeah.
	She's saying, hey, Black Lives Matter.
	All four words of it.
	Yep.
	Act like adults.
	Let's stop this.
	Let's come together.
	Let's unify.
	Sometimes context changes things.
	Now, I don't want to preface...
	I don't want to taint your opinion before you see the full context.
	So let's...
	Parental warning.
	Parental warning.
	This is what she actually said.
	This is what she said.
	Weave?
	I must admit, I thought you said weed at first.
	I thought you said weed at first.
	But you don't wear weed unless maybe you're smoking weed.
	Just to be clear, we talk about context over content a lot.
	Yeah.
	They said she was calling for peace, stop burning stuff down.
	Some would argue the context has changed when she was, in fact, saying the opposite of that.
	Some would argue, yeah.
	When she says, go to the suburbs, burn their stuff down.
	The opposite tends to, yeah.
	That happened in Detroit.
	Gosh, I'm forgetting the name of the mayor, but he said, all y'all bad mother effers hit eight mile.
	And that was a big thing with white flight.
	So, I don't know.
	You tweet me at Ez Crowder what you think of that shit.
	Here's the thing.
	Editing always happens.
	Editing any video that's ever been run in the history of ever is edited if you select an in and out point.
	I understand that.
	So everything is selectively edited.
	What matters is if you edit it to change the context or subvert the meaning of what the person said.
	That's when you get into journalistic malpractice.
	That's when you get into being dishonest.
	One could make the case that them saying she was calling for peace when in fact she was calling for violence wasn't the proper context.
	It would seem reasonable to assume.
	But that could be racism.
	That could be.
	Now, enough people thought that CNN Had to do this.
	God bless him.
	I want to take a moment to clarify something from Monday.
	We had a report that inadvertently and wrongly characterized the plea from a Milwaukee woman whose brother was killed by police.
	As our viewers saw, she demanded that the violence stop in her community.
	But in fact, she also said that protests should instead take their violence to the suburbs.
	I regret that second part of her statement was not included.
	Here's the deal.
	Do you think, how many, if you see one, how many more do you think have actually occurred?
	I regret that that portion was not included.
	Literally, unless someone is sitting in the editing room at CNN going, alright, listen, I don't have a lot of time.
	four seconds, we're good, we're good, and walks off.
	She goes into it so quickly.
	A randomly selected four seconds of that, because that was like, some would argue that was the meat of her.
	It occurred within three seconds of each other.
	The next clip is so small.
	It was such a small little slip.
	If you put one frame to either side of it, you would have gotten it.
	You would have gotten it.
	If you watch, okay, it's like, all right, listen, Johnson, intern, here in the editing suite, show me this.
	We don't, you know, stop burning stuff down!
	Okay.
	Where does this go?
	Three seconds later, burn this shit down in the suburbs!
	Burn it down!
	Hmm.
	What to include?
	Or, unless you just heard, unless you went in and watched a three-second clip, don't burn stuff down!
	That's all I need.
	Run it.
	And walked out?
	No one's doing that.
	Of course they knew.
	They couldn't possibly have not known.
	You're just writing this down.
	I'm going to have to hit the dump button for terrestrial.
	The mistake they made here was they were caught.
	They were caught like Brian Williams in the copter, like Dan Rather with the documents.
	So, and this is the reason they do it is because they've whipped people up into a race war right now.
	We know that.
	Black Americans, this generation of black Americans will be far worse off than the previous two generations.
	They will because of corn gains, because of situations like this, because of the media coddling them, being complicit.
	They're going to be far worse off because of the victim complexes.
	They've never known any kind of racial healing because they've reopened those wounds deliberately.
	Jared will bring up a picture here.
	The guy who was shot by the police officer, this is him.
	Mr.
	Smith, what an upstanding young citizen.
	What's funny about that Glock he's holding, you know there's a round in that chamber.
	And his finger's on the trigger.
	And there's no safety in a Glock.
	There's no safety in a Glock.
	There's the trigger safety, but his finger's on the trigger with a round in the chamber aimed at the camera.
	So either he has an unbelievable selfie stick or someone is in grave danger.
	So this guy had a gun, refused to drop it, police officer shot him, not an upstanding citizen.
	Thug, you mean?
	Yeah, thug, absolutely.
	Look at that picture.
	Thug was invented for that guy.
	Also, I have it up on my screen.
	Little known fact, the officer he shot was black.
	So here we have black guy shoots a black officer.
	The black officer shoots a black...
	Gosh, it's just so much black.
	So much black.
	It's not black on black crime.
	It was black on black justice with this police officer.
	Do you have an idea how hard it is to be that police officer?
	It is...
	I do not envy black police officers in the United States today.
	In Detroit, where my dad used to live, the Percheronis, their dad was a police officer in Detroit.
	He said, man, black police officers in the city, they had to take a far route to their house because they couldn't be tracked.
	They had to be extra careful because they were seen as traitors.
	So this officer, I don't know how many of you have heard of this, you certainly didn't hear about it through the media when it broke, was black who shot him.
	And they knew that all along.
	It took about three seconds of digging.
	It came out the day after the first Milwaukee riots.
	So...
	This brings us to Sheriff Clark, who we've talked about, who is great.
	We ran this on the site.
	People loved it.
	No one else ran this, and this is why this is so important.
	No one ran this at all because it was taken from a long-form press conference.
	It's easy to get into cable news and hear Sheriff Clark come with Bill O'Reilly where people are competing for soundbites.
	Here's the deal.
	Why I like that guy is he's so much better when he's authentic and you watch the full speech.
	So this was, what, a 16-minute speech, something like that?
	Yeah, at least a good 10, 11 minutes.
	A good 10, 11 minutes.
	It's all worth watching when he's more subdued.
	But here's something that he said that I think really resonated with people and enraged some.
	The police use of force serves as an igniter, there's no doubt, but to an already volatile situation, a volatile mix of urban pathologies, failed urban policy that exacerbates Inescapable poverty, failing public schools, inadequate parenting, father absent homes.
	We all know when fathers are not around to shape the behavior of young boys, they oftentimes grow up to be unmanageable misfits that the police have to deal with in an aggressive fashion.
	Pathologies like lifestyle choices is questionable.
	And that's the recap of everything you just talked about.
	Fatherless households.
	Failed policies.
	I mean, look, listen.
	Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland.
	These are not bastions of freedom.
	These are not places where black people are better off.
	Donald Trump was talking about this in his speech, and he was right about that.
	The people who are hurt are law-abiding black citizens.
	Milwaukee, people called me on this.
	I included it among cities that were under far-democratic-left rule.
	They said, no, that's not true, because Milwaukee actually had a mayor...
	Who was a socialist.
	An actual socialist.
	Well, he goes on to say the only two worst schools in the country are Cleveland and Detroit.
	I'm surprised that they're that bad in Milwaukee.
	I was just in Milwaukee recently.
	So this is important when you see the media sort of unravel it.
	Oh gosh, we have to go to a break.
	break we'll talk about it more and uh i've got an airline for a story for you after the break that jared demand i tell carol costello for cnn it has been brought to our attention that there were some mild but important inaccuracies in last night's newscast that we need
	to correct project.
	Firstly, the video that we showed you from Milwaukee of the victim's sister calling for peace was actually selectively edited to cover up the fact that she was calling for violence.
	Other corrections to be made from last night's broadcast.
	Lena Dunham was in fact not raped.
	Donald Trump did not beat a small child.
	And I am not STD free.
	Also, unfortunately, we were incorrect with a few of our tornado warnings.
	We were off by approximately 152 miles, resulting in the deaths of 184 innocent civilians.
	We're sorry about that one, too.
	Finally, it is my legal obligation to inform you that myself, as well as my colleague, Anderson Cooper, have been legally barred from referring to ourselves as actual journalists.
	Stay tuned for this night's broadcast after the break.
	Whoa, Jared, what are you doing?
	Shoot bad guys.
	With what?
	AR-15.
	Where'd you get it?
	AR-15.com.
	Oh, there's another one!
	Kaboom!
	You got him!
	Yeah.
	Thank God for AR-15.com.
	They have AR-15 and accessories for sale and the best advice there is on the web.
	Oh no, there's another one!
	Kaboom!
	You got him!
	Yeah.
	With your what?
	AR-15.
	From where?
	AR-15.com.
	That's the best place to go, and that's the takeaway, because this commercial's about to stop!
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I was watching Stranger Things.
	When we grew up and there were black kids who were in our circle of friends, you didn't really think about it that much.
	That's all it is now.
	And this is sort of the fragmenting of entertainment period online.
	People are able to get things so specialized.
	But do you think Family Matters could have occurred today?
	Oh, gosh.
	Think about this.
	Family Matters and Fresh Prince.
	Think about this for a second.
	I was talking with my dad about this.
	Family Matters, the dad is a cop, an all-black family, the star, the dad is a cop.
	Well, Urkel notwithstanding, he's the real star.
	He melted our hearts and entered our souls.
	He captured the nation's hearts.
	Fresh Prince, the dad was a judge.
	Yep.
	And Cosby, he was a doctor.
	But that's not as bad.
	The point is, judge and cop.
	These are the people they hate.
	Yeah.
	I don't think there's any way...
	Could you imagine today if they tried to release a sitcom, an all-black sitcom...
	Where the dad was a cop or a judge?
	I don't think it would exist.
	Stop banging your damn pen.
	It's a good pen.
	You think you're that guy from Goldeneye?
	He's not invincible.
	Speaking of which, so this is a story Jared was saying we should talk about this on air.
	I don't know why.
	We were taking a flight.
	Now, here's the preface.
	Well, how is this political?
	We're going to have Dinesh D'Souza on after the break, and we'll get back into more of it.
	When you want to think of industries that you can't stand, think of the ones that either have the most government intervention or have been bailed out.
	Happy with your health insurance?
	Big energy?
	Big pharma?
	Airlines?
	Never-ending supply of bailouts with airlines?
	Think about with airlines.
	They don't need to accommodate you because...
	They're never going to go under.
	Nope.
	The government's going to...
	It's too important.
	It's too big to fail.
	Big banks, you happy with your service at Bank of America?
	Worst case scenario, there's merge.
	Right.
	They just merge.
	So they merge and get bailouts.
	That's the system of airlines.
	So that's why the service is so bad.
	I don't know that Southwest has done it where they tend to have the best service.
	They do.
	So Naki, Jared, and I were traveling across the country with the full staff because...
	Hint, not Southwest.
	Right.
	Not Southwest.
	Hint, hashtag never daily because that was not where we were going.
	We're looking at any studio space.
	So we went out.
	We're going out there, and we book an American Airline flight.
	We get on the flight.
	It's been a long day.
	I say, hey, you know, I would like to get a beer for me and my friends on the flight.
	One beer.
	Sam Adams.
	That's all I had.
	Sure.
	So they bring it out.
	Now, Jared seems to think I was out of line.
	I'm not entirely sure.
	You be the judge, and you can tweet me.
	They bring it out, and I give them a card.
	They say, oh, sorry, we don't take cards.
	We only take cash.
	American Airlines actually takes cards and not cash the last time I flew them.
	Most of them only take cards.
	Most of them only take cards.
	I said, I'm sorry.
	Is there any way you could write it?
	I don't have any cash on me.
	At this point, the beer is out.
	Cough 2016.
	Yeah, Cough 2016.
	She goes, you know what?
	Let me talk to my supervisor.
	I'm sure we can do something.
	Goes back and talks to the supervisor, who I'm guessing maybe had a bad day, comes barreling down the aisle.
	I think she had about a bad couple thousand days.
	A bad couple thousand days.
	Comes barreling down the aisle.
	She goes, um, cash only.
	Cash only.
	Cash only.
	I said, well, listen, I can't know that.
	I said, I'm just saying I have a card.
	The beer's here.
	I'm not trying to steal it from you.
	I just don't have cash.
	And honestly, she goes, cash only on American Eagle.
	I said, my ticket says American Airlines.
	I bring it up, it says American Airlines.
	I said, it doesn't say American Eagle anywhere in this plane.
	It does.
	On the outside.
	On the inside, it actually said United, if you looked at it.
	It was an old United plane.
	And at this point, everyone is turning and listening.
	And she says...
	Well, I said it before we left off that it's cash only.
	I said it right at takeoff.
	I announced it on the intercom.
	And this is where it escalated.
	I said, oh, so I was supposed to use the onboard ATM amidst takeoff to ensure that I had cash on me.
	And she went, she's like, well, well, you know what?
	I'll fight.
	I'll get you the beer.
	It's going to come out of my paycheck.
	I said, I don't want it to come out of your paycheck.
	I'm trying to give you my money.
	I just don't have cash.
	It's 2016.
	At this point, people on the plane, Jared was there.
	Jared was there, as was his brother.
	They turn and they say, Mike.
	Oh, I'm busy.
	Yes, exactly.
	This is where you can just see the glow of screens as they're about to tape this.
	That's what I thought.
	Instead, it was like a mini-revolution on the plane.
	People had had it, and I think people just said, oh wait, this guy's not taking her crap.
	And five people go, my ticket says American Airlines 2.
	And she goes, well, it's regional.
	It's regional.
	American Eagle.
	I said, I don't know that it's regional.
	Can you take my money?
	Can I get a beer?
	She goes, well, it's going to come out of my paycheck.
	I said, okay, well, then forget about it.
	This isn't even fun anymore.
	She goes, well, I've said too much.
	I shouldn't have told you that it came out of my paycheck.
	I'm like, you shouldn't have done any of this.
	This is not the point where you cut it off.
	You shouldn't have talked about your paycheck.
	You should have not done anything that you have done.
	This is a series of horrible decisions.
	It's not our fault she's been working there since before the internet was created.
	And then...
	This is the kicker.
	Probably start on prop planes.
	She left, and she came back, and she asked me my name and ticket number, as well as your brothers, and went back with a scowl.
	And we were like, ah, this is how you get put on a no-fly list.
	You want to buy a Sam Adams?
	You only have a card.
	You don't know that it's a regional jet.
	And she was furious.
	Oh, oh, that's not it.
	That's not it.
	And then she goes on the intercom.
	She goes on the intercom, I swear to you.
	Ten minutes later.
	For passengers who are not yet aware, even though I announced it, as the plane took off, we accept cash only.
	Only cash.
	Like, seriously, she was the flight attendant Nazi.
	Only cash!
	If you see something, say something.
	And everyone was sitting there going, can you believe this?
	Here's the bummer.
	She comes back finally with some beers.
	Only two!
	Only two!
	So not gay Jared.
	We all had two-thirds of a beer.
	Yeah, we all had two-thirds of a beer.
	So I guess there's a socialist message there somewhere.
	She was trying to be...
	It was just...
	It was unreal.
	And I'm sitting there going, gosh, this is someone...
	This is just a glorified...
	Really, at the end of the day, glorified welfare queen.
	She's doing this on my tax dollars.
	If I go through my tax returns, I'm sure I can find that I've paid American Airlines enough through bailouts to earn a beer.
	Well, American Eagles.
	I don't know what goes to American Eagles.
	Anyway, tweet me.
	I want to get your emails this week.
	Your worst airline stories.
	Because I don't think I was out of line.
	Jared and his brother were horrified that I had the reaction.
	It was a true Curb Your Enthusiasm.
	You weren't wrong.
	Oh, I was supposed to use the onboard ATM. You could hear the proverbial cocking of heads as they said, I'm going to get...
	And you know what?
	That just shows you.
	It only takes one person to go against the grain.
	Everybody joined in and were showing their tickets going, this is unbelievable.
	So it might seem like a small battle, but I started a revolution on American Airlines because I had a card and I wanted beer.
	Dinesh D'Souza coming up after this.
	There's a segue.
	This is breaking news on Outer with Crowder.
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	Shaddle Acornson has come out from his hiatus to release his latest ad against the Hopper Cane ticket for 2016 presidency.
	We have the exclusive for you now.
	Listen, everybody at Squirrel Suiticles is glad to see the Hopper, is alive and well and has returned, and at worst is a worthy adversary.
	But for those of you voting for them, who think they're getting some sort of a new kind of candidate with integrity, you'll be sorely disappointed.
	Do you expect integrity from the world's greatest noodle thief?
	I can't believe Hopper ate that.
	I guess Hopper?
	- Did you eat that?
	Did you eat that?
	He won't even look him in the eye.
	Did you eat that?
	There's no remorse.
	It's a borderline sociopath.
	I don't know if you want to put that, uh, put that nothing.
	We must highlight that the source is currently anonymous, and we have yet to verify the authenticity of these claims.
	We'll keep you abreast as the 2016 election unfolds.
	For Lowderwood Crowder, I'm Barry Malethan.
	You're a strange animal, that's what I know.
	But you're a strange animal, I've got to follow.
	Back.
	Glad to be back.
	Bringing my microphone.
	And I'm not going to dance that long.
	This is a special guest, Jared.
	Dinesh D'Souza, Hillary's America.
	Of course, it's available on DVD, digital, as well as paperback and hardcover.
	All of the above.
	I don't know.
	When will that be coming to beta?
	Don't jump the gun.
	So the DVD of the movie comes out in October.
	It's not available yet.
	It's still in theaters.
	And we're going to do an expanded release in September.
	If you'll let me, HillaryisAmericaTheMovie.com.
	All right.
	Glad to be back with our next guest.
	People never know if you're amused by the dancing or immensely uncomfortable.
	No one knows.
	We're all uncomfortable.
	He has a film out right now.
	It's just going gangbusters.
	A book of the same name.
	Hillary's America.
	You already know who he is.
	You can run a Google search and find him.
	Dinesh D'Souza, thanks for being here, sir.
	It's great to be on the show.
	Yeah, well, we're glad to have you.
	And full disclosure to people listening, Dinesh and I have worked on side projects before, so people are going, why don't you have Dinesh on?
	And I'm like, well, he's really busy and he's above the show, so let's just not drag him through it.
	But your film and the book is doing really well.
	Obviously, you had kind of Obama's America before.
	Was the goal deliberately to try and affect the election or just to educate people?
	Well, the goal is to educate people in an election year, so I would say there's some of both.
	The Obama film that I did four years ago was just about one man.
	It was just about the secret history of Obama because so little was known about him.
	But Obama was an isolated guy.
	In some ways, he's been detached from the Democratic, his own party, for eight years.
	Hillary is the leader of a gang, and it is this progressive gang.
	It's the Democratic gang.
	So rather than make a movie just on Hillary, I don't think she's quite as interesting as Obama, to be honest.
	I decided to make a movie on the Hillary gang.
	How did it get started?
	What kind of rackets did it pull?
	What happened when it got busted?
	How did it go on to new things?
	How did it cover up its tracks?
	So it's actually a little bit of a godfather movie, I have to say.
	Right.
	Well, okay, so speaking of that, you make an airtight case, and people should definitely watch it.
	But that brings us to when you debated Cenk of The Young Turks.
	I watched this.
	I thought, okay, I'm going to have to see this, having been on YouTube and seeing Politicon and what they do.
	And...
	I remember, okay, let me lay the foundation for people who haven't seen it.
	We've talked about this.
	Right away they debate.
	I'll let Dinesh describe it.
	I thought, well, this is a different animal from what Dinesh is used to because people are usually respectful.
	He's debated people like Christopher Hitchens.
	I'm not sure Sam Harris or Dawkins, but they repeat debate because they have mutual respect.
	And politically, I've debated Jesse Jackson.
	I've debated the guys on the far left.
	I debated Bill Ayers at Dartmouth.
	Actually, we did a couple of debates, one in Michigan, I believe.
	So I've debated not only the liberals, but the far left.
	So in that sense, I'm accustomed.
	But generally, my approach has been to maintain good relations with these guys, to have a debate that's feisty but cordial.
	And that has some respect for intellectual integrity.
	In other words, a debate in which you won't have somebody who ignores facts or pretends that things that are true are not true.
	And so with Cenk, this was quite a surreal experience because I wasn't quite accustomed to a creature like Cenk's.
	Well, you know, it's absolutely true.
	He's gone after me for a long time and then provided no recourse, so we did a parody of it, and we've done parodies kind of even on this show with it.
	I remember the first thing he put up, he goes, your own audience thought you lost!
	Right afterwards, he puts up a Twitter poll, and that flipped not long after.
	Because you have those initial people liking and downvoting things before they've watched it.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of a silliness, because obviously, I mean, I have a following that is many times the size of his, so I could easily overwhelm him in any of those sorts of polls.
	But I was thinking really just more of the actual debate itself, where, you know, he'd say things like, you know...
	You say that blacks were better off under slavery.
	And I say, no, I don't say that.
	But what I say is what Muhammad Ali said.
	You know, Ali, of course, when he came back from the rumble in the jungle, made the famous remark someone asked him, hey, champ, what do you think of Africa?
	And he goes, thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.
	But behind the sort of pungent remark, Ali was making a serious point, which is that, look, his great-great-great-grandfather was worse off But he, Muhammad Ali, is better off for living in America.
	He wouldn't be the world champion if he had been born probably in some other place like Afghanistan.
	So he's making an obvious point that the descendants of slavery are lucky to be living in the orbit of Western freedom.
	So I'd make a point like this, and Cenk would start laughing up Rory and say, there you go, that's just what I said.
	How many hands think slavery's good?
	Do they actually think slavery's good?
	Of course it's not good, right?
	I would watch it.
	It's a kind of intellectual thuggery, and what I don't know is if he's a sophisticated man who's putting on an act, or if he actually is what he presents himself to be, which would of course be far worse.
	Well, God!
	Talk about, this is what I'm talking about.
	He's very cordial, but it cuts like a knife even worse.
	I mean, and the funny thing is you would bring up stuff that you've already...
	This is what I've noticed.
	And I say this respectfully because, like you said, you've been with people who are intellectual heavyweights, and I think you would probably agree, win some, lose some.
	You know, it goes back and forth.
	You've had better nights and worse nights.
	But I've always known you to maintain good relationships, as you've said.
	In this case, the technique is different, and I want to get into because you've sort of bridged more traditional media with new media better than a lot of people.
	You debate, and I think a lot of people you've debated, they're arguing to try and convince the audience of their argument.
	People like Cenk, and this is sort of generational, this new generation of far leftists, they use the audience to try and intimidate their opposition.
	Did you notice that stark contrast?
	Yeah, well, Cenk had a kind of a robot crew that was in the audience.
	And I think these were real people, but they might have been robots.
	I'm really not sure.
	But in any event, every time Cenk would say something, including the most pedestrian statements, like he would mention George Bush, this audience would then mechanically jump up and down and start shouting and applauding.
	So almost like Cenk was controlling them through a kind of device of some sort.
	It was unbelievably frightening because these are young people who are in a formative stage of life, and you think there would be some intellectual openness, some curiosity, that their idealism would have some search quality to it.
	But no, these appear to be just sort of...
	You know, either paid robots or just mechanized robots.
	And so you got a sense of what, you know, when you think of the mass movements of the 20th century, people cheering for Castro or cheering for Stalin, this sort of thing, this mass phenomenon, I got a little glimpse of it in Politicon that day.
	Okay, a couple quick questions.
	Did you and Cenk shake hands off camera?
	Was he friendly?
	Did you make nice or no?
	I was certainly cordial with him, but I think what upset me wasn't so much his personal incivility.
	It wasn't that.
	It was just more that there was a certain kind of intellectual unwillingness to...
	He'd say something like, you know, well, as you know, Dinesh, all the Dixiecrats in the Democratic Party then became Republicans.
	And I would say, well, I'm familiar with the case of Strom Thurmond, but can you name a second case?
	Now, obviously he couldn't, but he would say something like, there you go again, using your good old debating tactics.
	Now, of course, we're in a debate, so you think debating tactics would kind of be, if anywhere, that they'd be legitimate, it would be there.
	But this unwillingness to even, you know, entertain a counter argument, I just got the sense that I was debating a wall.
	But was he nice to you afterward?
	Was he nicer?
	Because he was incredibly malicious and personal.
	Yeah, he was cordial, but he wasn't friendly.
	And by the way, just by way of comparison, if I look at the whole range of the atheists, for example, Hitchens and I were genuinely friends.
	I mean, we would have a pizza after the debate.
	Now, there are other guys I've debated, like Daniel Dennett, you know, more pompous and so on.
	And so Dennett was the kind of guy who kind of felt like, outside the debate, he should be cordial but not friendly.
	And Cenk was that way.
	He was withdrawn, didn't say much, you know, he shook my hand and so on.
	But it was the intellectual incivility within the debate that I thought was particularly appalling.
	Well, it did look like as it went on, you looked increasingly uncomfortable because you were going like...
	It was just any time you would make a factual statement, it got very personal.
	Of course, you went to prison!
	He did it!
	He did it!
	He went to prison!
	Of course!
	That was his whole thing.
	And he kept going back to it or, nobody sees your movies!
	Everything was remarkably personal.
	I don't mind it being personal.
	In other words, I would come back and say things like, okay, look, I did exceed the campaign finance law, but justice isn't a matter of did you do it, but it's also a matter of does the penalty fit the crime?
	The other guys who did the same thing get the same penalty.
	So I maintain that no person in American history has ever been locked up for doing what I did.
	So a normal person now on the other side would go, wow, if we're claiming that this is progressive justice, that's a problem.
	I need to find at least some other cases where other guys got the same penalty.
	Otherwise, Dinesh has in fact been railroaded.
	I never got the sense with Cenk that even after the debate, he would make such an inquiry.
	This is a kind of a guy, I mean, he almost defines closed-mindedness in a way that I've not encountered before.
	And so I was a little bit...
	It's almost like I felt like an anthropologist.
	I wanted to take out my equipment and begin to study his insides, because I haven't quite encountered a chink before.
	He wanted to go Dr.
	Grant sweeping off the Velociraptor clause, only to take a lot of digging to get to the center of chinks.
	So I ask you that because, is it true there are no cases?
	What would they say are cases similar to yours, or is there nothing?
	Because I did look into it specifically comparable to yours, and I didn't find anything, but that doesn't mean something that...
	And we know this because we search for them.
	I mean, I have a legal team that looked for them because when you go before a judge, you have to be prepared.
	The government looked really hard because they wanted to tell the judge, look, there are all these cases where these guys have gotten, but in fact, all the cases that they came up with involved corruption.
	In other words, someone is trying to buy an appointment or someone is trying to get a favor through a lawmaker.
	In my case, I didn't even, the candidate didn't even know.
	So there was no corruption involved or even alleged.
	And that's what makes this case particularly interesting.
	I think it will – it's going to go down in campaign finance history as a kind of a blip, a very interesting case that people will look at and go, hmm, what was that all about?
	Right.
	Well, people either have to say either he's the dumbest criminal in history who received no benefit whatsoever or it's just something that's happened all the time.
	And like you said, they've railroaded him.
	And I think – You've just touched on something.
	I've talked about this with the Second Amendment, you know, the famous Heller case.
	The argument that loses, that's presented, is equally important, or the opposition argument.
	If there were a case, like you're saying, it would be in their best interest to say, well, here you go, here's a directly comparable case, open and shut.
	The fact that they weren't able to was very telling.
	And this is one thing, too.
	You know, we've gotten into this with Facebook by filing a legal motion.
	You know, you and I both know that what happens legally in a court that is legally observable is very different from social media drama.
	And you've been in both realms.
	You've been in the academic realm, you've been in the legal realm.
	And then this new social media realm, which you see with people like Cenk.
	The good side is anyone can have a voice.
	The bad part of that is that you have a lot of hacks who can still develop these huge followings just through dirt slinging.
	So does that concern you, the way it's shifting, bridging that gap?
	Do you think that's kind of just a small trend, a small blip, or do you think it could be dangerous?
	Well, I think that you're quite right, Stephen, that it could be a real benefit to democracy that we've got this kind of open channel and that the kind of arguments that were previously confined to the Oxford Debating Society or PBS are now accessible to people and people can not only listen, they can participate.
	And what I try to do is bridge the gap between academia and sort of popular discourse by speaking in a very conversational way.
	And I do this in the movie and in the book.
	So, for example, in Hillary's America, I make this claim.
	It's pretty startling.
	I say, in 1860, the year of the Civil War, no Republicans owned a slave.
	I say all the slaves in the United States and the whole country were owned by Democrats.
	Now, this is a very arresting, factual claim.
	There's a very easy way to refute it.
	Hey, Dinesh, here is a list of 10 Republicans who own slaves, right?
	Exactly.
	I would have to retract the statement.
	But no one has been able to do that.
	So this is actually the way that I think public discourse should happen.
	It should happen by asserting and counter-asserting claims, by marshalling evidence, by making it accessible to people.
	And again, I'm not saying that there's no one on the progressive side who does that, because I think there probably are.
	Interestingly, with this movie and book, the left has not put anyone of any caliber up against us who's been able to seriously challenge, let alone refute, A single claim in the book or the movie.
	That's a very important point.
	I think they attack you more on style, kind of like you're saying you bridge the gap, and they're going, well, he's a former intellectual who's become pedestrian, but like you said, it's making this accessible to people, and if anyone has read your books, frankly, my parents made me read letters to a young Christian, and being the young comedian, smart-ass that I was, I was like, this is kind of dry.
	It's very intellectually written.
	And something is, you do both of those things, you know, and you get rail-rated regardless.
	Yeah, I mean, early in my career, I wrote books that were scholarly, that were supported by footnotes.
	Now I do that, but I also try very hard to make those books.
	My assumption in writing now is I assume my reader knows nothing about the subject, but is also really intelligent.
	Right, okay, hold that thought.
	We'll be back with more Dinesh D'Souza.
	If you change the channel, you're a bigot.
	That's the rule.
	That's the rule.
	And now, Roger Ailes advises Donald Trump.
	Music Okay, listen, frankly, I'm thrilled.
	Okay, I think we've got a crack squad here.
	We're really going to turn this thing around, all right?
	Because truthfully, all right, frankly, I've got to be honest with my voters, okay?
	I'm not going to pivot.
	I'm not Scottie Pippen.
	I'm going to be me.
	Okay, Roger, I'm going to...
	Roger.
	Hey, Roger, quit motorboarding Megyn Kelly.
	We've got work to do, okay?
	Okay.
	Hey, Roger!
	Quit motorboarding, Maggie Kelly!
	Stay tuned for more.
	Stay tuned for more.
	That's what I know.
	But you're a strange animal.
	Glad to be back.
	Bringing my microphone.
	I'm not going to dance that long.
	This is a special guest, Jared.
	Dinesh D'Souza, Hillary's America.
	Of course, it's available.
	It's available on DVD, digital, as well as paperback and hardcover.
	All of the above.
	I don't know.
	When will that be coming to beta?
	Don't jump the gun.
	So the DVD of the movie comes out in October.
	It's not available yet.
	It's still in theaters.
	And we're going to do an expanded release in September.
	If you'll let me, hillaryisamericathemovie.com, that's the website.
	That'll tell you where it's playing near you.
	Sorry, that's right.
	A little bit of timing there, where it's both released in theaters and the DVD before the election.
	I see where he's noodling it.
	I do highly recommend it.
	You have definitely, regardless of where people line up politically, we've talked about this.
	Most conservative content is crap, particularly as far as documentaries.
	They've been really bad.
	They've been embarrassingly bad.
	There are a few standouts, but it definitely seems, even if you look at your hiring practices and the way these films are shot...
	That you've made it a point to step up in quality.
	Was that your mission from the outset, or is it just something that happened organically?
	Well, no.
	I knew nothing about making movies four years ago when I undertook 2016, but I did know that Christian and conservative movies tend to be sort of subpar and that people feel a sense of duty.
	I've got to go to support the movie.
	Now, I don't want people to go to support my movie.
	I want people to go to be entertained and to learn a bunch of stuff and to come up moved and inspired and fired up.
	And so I wanted to make that type of a movie.
	Now, 2016 is that type of a movie, but it's also a simpler movie.
	It's the kind of movie that you could have shot on a handheld, a very nice handheld camera.
	But now that we're doing recreations of history and recreations of politics, we do them at a very sophisticated level.
	So, for example, the confinement center prison scenes in this movie, there are people who thought I actually shot them in prison.
	I couldn't because actually my judge issued an order that I can't film my confinement, I can't film my teaching of English to immigrants, and I can't film my psychiatric counseling, which I'm sure you, Stephen, would have loved to see, the re-education of Dinesh D'Souza.
	I would also want to get the name of your doctor.
	It could probably help me out.
	It was an effort that failed, and my rehabilitation has been proclaimed incomplete.
	Right.
	Well, it's one thing to have, obviously, to seek help on your own.
	It's another to have a psychiatric evaluation and rehabilitation mandated, and then the end result isn't the opinion they want, maybe.
	And they go, well, listen, the guy's still conservative.
	This is a scary thing about guys like Cenk is that, you know, generally I would feel that with a goodwill guy on the other side, like, I have no desire to lock up Michael Moore or ruin him financially or subject him to psychiatric.
	I would never think that way.
	But these guys think that way, or some of them do.
	There's a sort of authoritarian streak where they go, well, yeah, I'm really glad he got that man.
	Wish we could have kept him, you know, under the gun for longer.
	And so this is the totalitarian streak that you see in the left, and it's...
	It characterizes Hillary and it characterizes a fair number of fargoons.
	Well, I believe, too, that obviously a form of open ideas is best for the conservative or libertarian argument.
	That's always what I've maintained.
	And so have you seen with, good example, unedited, the Dinesh-Chenk debate?
	I would recommend you go review it.
	Of course, go to go see Hillary's America.
	But this is one that was very compelling to me.
	Have you noticed...
	Since that is as open and unedited as could possibly be, an influx of new fans from that because they just go, all right, I haven't seen this before.
	Well, I noticed two things.
	One is that I noticed that an influx of new fans, a lot of younger people, which wouldn't normally have probably come across my work.
	The other thing is I went on the Young Turks channel and I began to look at the feedback on Cenk's site.
	Now, while the feedback on my site is 99% positive, on Cenk's site it was running about 50-50.
	And a lot of people were like, Cenk, I thought you were a reasonable guy, but to see you go on like an intellectual goon at this debate, I was a little bit embarrassed for you and embarrassed for myself for being your fan.
	And so I was kind of interested to see this kind of stuff on Cenk's own site.
	And I'm sure Cenk was, you know, thinking, I mean, I don't know what Cenk thinks, but I thought it was significant that even on the young Turk side, you probably have some young people who are more intellectually open-minded than their hosts.
	Well, I used to get that a lot because, as you know, I've been on YouTube for years and I was the only one there.
	It was just an empty desert.
	And as a Christian, and of course the Young Turks, when they were a little smaller, would go after me.
	And they would go, oh, I hate you.
	And then they go, you know what?
	I've kind of flipped on this.
	Even if they're an atheist, even if they would completely disagree with, for example, your debate with Hitchens...
	They've grown up a little bit and they've recognized, you know what, I thought Cenk was this anti-corporate, not just Cenk, I don't want to doggy pile on him, but a lot of leftists who've presented themselves as these anti-establishment, anti-authoritarians, who've ironically become the man.
	And you're definitely seeing an exodus, not massive, but it's noticeable.
	And does that give you hope in kind of this area of a very cracked conservative movement with Trump and never-Trump?
	Well, on the left, you've seen these sites like Gawker and Daily Beast and Mediaite and so on.
	And you've got these guys, and many of them are, you know, two years out of college, and they don't know anything.
	So they'll say things to me like, Dinesh, have you ever heard of the Nixon Southern strategy?
	And I'm like...
	Yeah, not only have I heard about it.
	I've written extensively about these things.
	I wrote a 2,000-page book called The End of Racism.
	I'm very familiar with all these things.
	But they have this sort of, you know, idiot way of lecturing me about things that I'm, you know, sort of everything that they know on the topic was my starting point 20 years ago.
	I don't quite know what to make of this.
	So, you know, I'd love to have real debates about these things, like the big switch and so on, but the quality of the debate, I mean, it throws me back to when I was 20 and I looked up to people like Irving Kristol, Bill Buckley, Solzhenitsyn, Hayek, Milton Friedman, and I realized that those guys were writing in small magazines and in different forums, and the world is different now, but it is pathetic to see the lowering of the intellectual lowering that has happened between then and now.
	Right.
	I think you're smart to say, I assume that the audience knows nothing, but is not an idiot.
	We've had that, we've run into that a lot with Second Amendment issues, where we talk, we assume, right, sort of like a tree.
	Okay, there's a branch, semi-automatic, then you get to assault weapons, clips versus magazines, and then you realize you're still at the trunk.
	They don't know what semi-automatic means.
	So you go, okay, let's back this up.
	They're not idiots.
	They just don't know anything about this given subject.
	And so I do appreciate you bridging that gap because there aren't a lot of people doing it.
	They're either in academia or they're hacks like us who are dancing along to techno bumps.
	Dinesh, we're going to go to a web extended after this.
	The website right before we go.
	Hillary's America, the movie.com.
	And then the book is available in Costco and Barnes & Noble everywhere else you can get books.
	This is true, ladderwithcrader.com, Web Extended, what does that mean?
	Yes, it's a free tape because he was on a different coast.
	Oh, we tricked you!
	web extended ladderworthcarter.com or you're racist.
	And now for installment 42 of Clarence McCaskill.
	Worst negotiator ever.
	This is getting dicey.
	Is Clarence here yet?
	He's supposed to be here any minute, boss.
	All right, guys, I'm here.
	What's the situation?
	Clarence, thank God you're here.
	He's been holed up with 14 hostages for eight hours.
	He's already killed two of them.
	He's making his demands right now.
	Eight hours, and you just called me now, huh?
	Nothing like waiting to the last minute.
	All right, give me the megaphone there.
	Hi, this is Clance McCaskill, famous negotiator.
	What are your demands?
	Hey, man, don't get any closer.
	I will find $100,000 in unmarked bills in a devil bag and a helicopter to give me to Mexico.
	Yeah, okay, we'll get right on that, right after we build the time machine to go back and save the four people you killed.
	What?
	Yeah, we're not giving you that stuff, and we're probably going to kill you.
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, come on.
	You think we're going to give you a helicopter and unmark bills and let you walk out?
	No, we're probably sending SWAT members in right now.
	And you are going to die soon.
	Don't fool around, man!
	I'll kill her!
	Hey, is this guy for real?
	Yeah, he's famous.
	They gave him, like, a reality show.
	Yeah, it's on A&E and everything.
	Hey, man, don't fool around!
	I'll kill another person!
	See, the thing is, you already killed four, so I'm gonna level with you.
	We're willing to make that bargain as long as we take you out.
	I'm not joking.
	Do what I say.
	Yeah, please, just do what he says.
	No, I'm not going to do what you say.
	I'm just thinking of a way to kill you.
	Oh, Clarence.
	Stay tuned for the next installment of Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.
	Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.
	Here we go.
	We're back.
	I'm worried.
	I'm worried that Hopper has a problem with dancing.
	We need to recondition him.
	He does.
	He's like a Baptist dog.
	Racist Baptist dog.
	You know what I think it is?
	I think it's when we did the Brexit thing and we danced with the firearms.
	He doesn't like that.
	He doesn't like that.
	I think that conditioned him to be afraid.
	I am your host, hosting, of course, second hour.
	Producing with me in the studio, as always, is Not Gay Jared.
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	Something else.
	People were tweeting us.
	Yes, that last one was a pre-tape because Dinesh was on the West Coast.
	This is live, so people can get mad.
	To prove it, they just asked me to talk about Gawker.
	You saw that.
	Yep.
	And a guy just tweeted, he's watching us live in a gym.
	If that's Planet Fitness, I'm going to lose my mind.
	It's almost as if he has something else.
	I don't mind having...
	Sequential hermaphrodite followers.
	Trannies who use the wrong bathrooms.
	But I will not cater to an audience that attends Planet Fitness.
	Every man has their limits.
	Gawker's gone under.
	That happened this week.
	Gawker is gone.
	Done.
	No more.
	And that's not really surprising.
	Of course, the Hogan sex tape accelerated that.
	But they are just, there's a changing with clickbait outrage culture.
	That's the difference is these leftist sites.
	It's constant clickbait where you don't really know.
	You have to click the story.
	And every time you click a story at Gawker, it's, oh, I'm supposed to be offended by something.
	So I don't really know that there's a story there.
	People want to gloat that they're gone.
	I mean, they've attacked yours truly several times, but it doesn't really bother me all that much.
	A lot of the hits these sites do, they're just not, you're like, all right.
	They're not very talented in their hits anymore.
	You're saying I'm secretly gay?
	Okay.
	Have you seen her dancing, perchance?
	This isn't some kind of a conspiracy to which you've gotten to the bottom.
	It's pretty much out there.
	So that's what's happened with Gawker.
	Try harder.
	Don't be so lazy.
	Speaking of Gawker, this is a story that's gotten big.
	And I think this is important because there are several facets to this.
	Comedian Aaron Glazier was found guilty of rape.
	We wrote about this.
	Not so much found guilty as much as he was just accused.
	No police were actually involved.
	Nope.
	We wrote about this.
	Some comedians came forward.
	He works at UCB in New York.
	He's a comedian.
	Now listen, let me preface this by saying he may be a rapist.
	I don't know.
	Could be a rapist.
	I have no idea.
	I just want to preface that.
	Does he look like a rapist?
	He does look like a rapist with a beard and a glasses, but it's hard to know if it's a rapist or a hipster.
	Well, some may say, what's the difference these days?
	It's true.
	They're raping one thing, either your bank account or...
	Or your self-respect.
	Their own self-respect.
	That's true.
	It's self-rape with the hipsters.
	We need to create a game on that.
	So this guy, Glazier, women came forward, said he had raped them.
	So he lost his job working at the Upright Citizen Brigade Theater.
	I guess he had a weekly show.
	And he came out and responded by Facebook.
	And he said recently, one or more women have accused me of sexual misconduct.
	He said, I didn't do that.
	I didn't do it.
	And I've had no recourse.
	I don't know the names of the women.
	I don't know the accusations.
	And I don't know that there's been any evidence presented.
	And I've lost my job.
	And he's swearing up and down that he has not done this.
	Okay?
	He could have done it.
	My point.
	So don't say, you're a rape apologist.
	He absolutely could have done it.
	We have no idea.
	That's why we have a system of law.
	That's why we have courts.
	So, what happened here is someone, I guess, who is friends with Amy Schumer.
	I don't think he writes for her specifically.
	That was a rumor out there.
	A guy named Metzger.
	Kurt Metzger.
	I always get it wrong with Guy Metzger.
	He's a comedian.
	He has a show.
	He has a comedian.
	He has a show.
	And he took to Facebook.
	So, this is important why I'm giving you all these facets.
	He said, hey, I know the cops aren't always helpful and that rapists don't get convicted, but they can't do anything if you've never even gone to the cops.
	He said they can't help if you don't bother going to the police at all.
	Why aren't the rape kits being tested?
	You need to come forward and go to the cops and convict this person.
	That's what this guy said.
	He said if you were raped, go forward and convict this person, as we've been saying for a long time.
	Now you can bring this up.
	Our resident favorite, Amy Schumer, felt the need to tweet out.
	I think you have it on your thing there, your image.
	She tweeted out, I am so saddened and disappointed in Kurt Mesker.
	He is my friend and a great writer, and I couldn't be more against his recent actions.
	Only 765 retweets.
	This is important.
	When you look at these sites or these people who have millions of followers and their retweets, their likes are not proportional, you start to see a shift in culture.
	Amy Schumer, a comedian who's made her career off of, set your stopwatch, I'm a slut!
	And fat.
	That's her career.
	That's her entire thing.
	I like eating.
	I also like being slutty.
	That's her shtick.
	And it's worn thin very quickly.
	She's been carried on the backs of critics.
	They've all told you that you need to love her, that she's hysterical.
	I used to think she was funny when she did stand-up.
	I don't find her particularly funny these days.
	But most people don't.
	It's worn very thin.
	If they don't do anything, that's a horrible problem.
	We need to fix it.
	But they can't do anything if you don't go to them.
	She is mad that somebody, a man, is trying to prevent more rapes.
	Kurt Mesker is trying to prevent more rapes.
	That's why I want to prevent more rapes.
	If this guy is going around raping everybody in the Upper West Side, or more so the Trendy Village, I don't know where UCB is in New York City anymore, guess what?
	You need to come forward and get that guy convicted so he doesn't go and rape somebody else.
	That's what I want.
	Men don't like rapists.
	Nope.
	We don't want to see more women raped.
	However, coming forward on social media is not the same as going to the police.
	You don't care about women.
	You don't care about women who could be raped, who could be future victims.
	Amy Schumer, self-professed feminist, strong feminist who also literally wants to take your guns away up there with her Uncle Chuck, is saying, I am so against somebody believing in due process and thinking that you should go to the police if you're raped.
	You should simply say the words rape.
	You don't even need to finish the word.
	Just say ruh.
	And the guy is guilty and loses his job.
	There is nobody, nobody who wants to see rapists locked away more than myself or more than self-respecting non-feminist strong women.
	That's a good reaction of every guy out there.
	You just want to kick their ass when you hear about that.
	You hear about that?
	It's just, as a guy...
	It's completely natural.
	Truthfully, have you ever met a guy in your life?
	Tweet me at S-Grader.
	Have you ever met a guy in your life when the subject of rape came up?
	He's like, yeah, but secretly we're all on board, right?
	Yeah, it's kind of our thing.
	Just don't tell them.
	I've met some people behind closed doors who I find out were racist.
	I'm like, oh, gosh, that's surprising.
	Like, legitimately.
	Yes.
	On the rape, usually the surprise comes when I'm like, wow, you want to do some really dark things.
	You're willing to kill a guy.
	I really believe you are on this subject.
	I didn't think you had any, but you bring this up and I think you would.
	That's usually the surprise.
	I've met some people, I'm like, this guy could kill somebody.
	I've never met anybody who's out of left field, we're just talking like, yeah!
	Yeah!
	Rape!
	It's never once happened.
	So this is why it's so important because you're not going to read about this at Gawker.
	You're not going to read about this.
	You're not going to hear about this in the news.
	What you'll hear is a man accused of rape and that'll be it.
	And he's posted on his Twitter that he's like, hey, look, here's my entire podcast.
	Listen to it front end.
	And I listened to like 10 minutes of it today.
	The Guy Metzger.
	Guy Metzger, yeah.
	Kurt Metzger.
	Kurt Metzger.
	And of course, no one's going to see that.
	No one's ever going to bury it.
	And all they're going to live with is that tweet of Amy Schumer.
	Yeah.
	Well, no one really sees a tweet of Amy Schumer.
	But that's the headline.
	It's like those funny or die sites and stuff.
	No one really pays attention to them anymore.
	But it's just one of those things, when you really, and I hate to say it, like, let's peel it, or what does Ruben always say?
	Let's unpack this.
	Let's unpack this, which is great.
	I think of an old professor I used to have in college who, that was her phrase, and everyone was like, it just married to her in my mind.
	Here's the thing.
	It doesn't surprise me in the comedy community that a lot of guys are like, you have these comedians who might have big podcasts.
	Gavin's talked about them.
	They're like, oh, I'm such a victim and I was addicted to mescaline.
	And they just have a new 16-year-old on their arm every day.
	There are a lot of comedians who are dirtbags and they always want to claim to be victims.
	So I have very little sympathy for them.
	Which is funny because Nick DiPaolo, we've talked about, is incredibly blue.
	As rough as it gets, but he actually has his life together.
	Mm-hmm.
	Whereas a lot of comedians who picture themselves as introspective and sort of alternative comics, they can't tie their shoelaces without antidepressants.
	And they want to advertise that.
	Like, ah, I'm unsymboled.
	It means I'm smarter.
	No, it just means you're...
	You're a miserable person.
	Just because you're unhappy doesn't mean you're funnier.
	So anyway, I'm not necessarily always sympathetic to comedians, but I am sympathetic to anybody, anybody wanting due process.
	This is why we have laws, and you know what you're doing?
	You're belittling the crime of rape.
	We've talked about this before.
	But just like we might have Chad with AIDS on later when we talk about AIDS and people just saying, let's stop stigmatizing it.
	No, when you don't acknowledge the statistics, when you make up statistics to try and push an agenda, you belittle people who are actually suffering from AIDS. When you say that one in four women are raped, which is entirely false, and when you fire people and say, we find this to be wildly offensive and abhorrent, this man has, without any kind of evidence, and providing the person no recourse, You are absolutely belittling rape.
	Not only are you allowing people to get away with a free pass.
	This is a culture.
	You want to talk about rape culture?
	The culture is the social media outrage culture where it is considered to be just as productive to create a hashtag or to come forward and just say I've been raped with no legal process.
	A good example is Facebook.
	We had this incident with Facebook.
	We had several incidents where we knew that they were screwing with our account.
	A report came out.
	We had some billing issues.
	Everybody else!
	Everybody else with the big sites, they got on and they flamboyantly say, we have these problems and please help us.
	We took the proper legal action.
	And guess what?
	We've been productive.
	We've been successful.
	We've resolved it with Facebook.
	They're not screwing with their page anymore.
	We've got the billing issue resolved.
	It's one thing to go forward in social media to try and gain some followers.
	And that's what Amy Schumer is doing.
	And these people on the rape side, unlike the Facebook side of censorship, which is they have the right to do it, but they're lying about it.
	On the rape side, people like Amy Schumer...
	Are saying, well, going on Twitter is just as valid a reaction.
	It's even more valid because we're raising awareness.
	Oh, you get away with everything under that umbrella, right?
	Well, why didn't you press charges?
	I'm just raising...
	I'm too scared.
	I just...
	I'm raising awareness.
	Well, why didn't you get a rape test...
	Done.
	No, I'm raising awareness, really, and you just happen to be getting followers.
	That's how I get the word out about rape.
	Lena Dunham wasn't raped.
	Let's go as far as evidence.
	If you were to have it in a court of law, Lena Dunham, no.
	Maybe raped her sister.
	Amy Schumer, no.
	Probably raped other people.
	I'd imagine before she was famous, she had to get it any way she could.
	Any which way she could.
	Lena Dunham, no.
	Amy Schumer, no.
	Most of the high-profile celebrities who come out have never pressed charges, have never done anything about it.
	They've done precisely zero about it, and they make front page news.
	Well, what do you think happens to a girl who was actually violently raped in an alleyway?
	Or someone who was sexually accosted by their uncle or a coach?
	Makes it a lot harder for them to come out because it just becomes a white noise.
	I was really raped.
	Yeah, but it's already me Schumer and Lena Dunham.
	Damn it.
	I guess I should just keep my mouth shut.
	We'll be back.
	back.
	Talk about outrage culture after this.
	This Week in Feminism.
	This Week in Feminism.
	So Amy, it really was just the hardest thing.
	I mean, I don't remember.
	I don't know if I was drugged.
	I don't know if I was sexually harassed or raped.
	I'm so sorry.
	That sounds terrible.
	So I don't know what to do, but I was really thinking, I was talking with my parents, and, um...
	There's just, there's no easy decision to make at this time.
	I'll support you in whatever you do.
	Thanks.
	Okay, so I was thinking for sure that the first thing I should do is, you know, go to the authorities and file the proper paperwork to press charges.
	Would we do that?
	What?
	I don't know about that.
	No, this is a serious crime, and I want to make sure he doesn't go do this to anyone else.
	I have to do this for other women.
	I need to go to the cops.
	Have you considered a hashtag?
	Glad to be back.
	After the break, we're going to have Joey Salads.
	People are going, why are you having Joey Salads?
	Some people are saying, why are you doing the Joey Salads?
	Why dare you?
	The reason why is he's pretty popular on YouTube, and he reached out.
	He's a fan of the show.
	He said, hey, I'd like to talk more about the political stuff a lot of people don't know, so we'll give him that form.
	Who knows?
	Who knows which way it could go with the Joey Salads?
	And then I think we have Super Mexican and...
	Chad with AIDS afterward.
	We don't have the segment branded yet, but this week in social justice outrage.
	There's a lot that we have, and we just figured we'd fit this into one segment.
	I'm trying to wonder what we should start with.
	Okay, let's do this.
	So, Ellen DeGeneres got accused of racism this week.
	Why?
	She joined in on a meme, and she said, this is how I, for those listening terrestrially, she said, this is how I'm going to do my groceries from now on.
	And she tweeted out a funny picture.
	A funny picture of her riding Usain Bolt, because he's fast.
	Because he's fast.
	So, lesbian pro-social justice warrior progressive Ellen DeGeneres tweeted out was an already common meme with Usain Bolt.
	Everyone was jumping on that one.
	Yeah.
	No pun intended.
	Racist.
	Racist.
	Right away, the Twitter got on a racist.
	So, riding on his back like a mule and a horse as some form of property is fun to you?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Here's from at rhuserious.
	LGBT Ellen off the market to pick up some Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima, her two favorites.
	What?
	Another liberal phony.
	People getting furious with her because she was...
	Listen, if you can't take a compliment, black people are fast.
	Have you noticed when you watch the sprinting, there's like one white guy and they put him...
	It's the only example where there might be a diversity hire for the white guy.
	But we're like, ah...
	Let's take the white guy from Greece.
	He's going to get embarrassed.
	We have to have someone on there.
	Look at it.
	Look at this.
	It's just Usain Bolt and everyone else.
	There's no reason to have anyone else here.
	It's Usain Bolt and everyone else.
	And everyone else is black.
	We just toss in one white guy.
	Or a woman now.
	Well, yes, or a woman now.
	So, Eleanor Jenner's caught so much flack And by the way, this is a common meme.
	It was with Michael Phelps.
	There was a meme going around.
	If you were stranded on an island, a desert island, what would you have?
	Water, a flashlight, and Michael Phelps to ride to shore.
	So it's not new.
	Again, this proves to you that liberals, leftists are racist.
	They see this as...
	It's complimentary to Usain Bolt.
	By the way, you know who didn't find it insulting?
	Usain Bolt!
	He retweeted it himself.
	What...
	Alright, we have so many to get through.
	Alright, Cam Newton.
	Cam Newton said that America was past racism.
	When they asked him, they said, do you think it's about race and the flack you've caught?
	He said, I don't want this to be about race because it's not.
	It's like we're beyond that as a nation.
	So right away, people turn on him.
	If Cam Newton doesn't check himself, he's going to become the next O.J. Simpson.
	You are black, brah.
	Cam Newton needs to spend more time dressing like a middle-aged mom trying to get back out there and less time discussing race.
	So right away, if he gets off the plantation, Cam Newton, you're not really black.
	That's what Twitter let him know.
	Something else we have here.
	Restauranteurs stuck it to liberals.
	He created the Black Lives, Black Olives Matter slogan at an Italian restaurant.
	And right away, people are outraged.
	Black Olives Matter.
	The tweets.
	Furious.
	We have Green Olives.
	I mean, just people, just non-stop.
	Outrage.
	Outrage.
	Black Olives Matter.
	You can't even make a joke about it.
	So what do we have so far?
	We have Ellen DeGeneres.
	We have Cam Newton.
	We have Black Olives Matter.
	Do we have another one, or do we just have the clip?
	Yeah, this one here.
	What is this?
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Ryan Lochte and vilified Douglas.
	They're saying, well, Ryan Lochte lied about...
	This is hilarious, by the way.
	He lied about being robbed, it seems.
	First off, people are saying, why are we supporting Lochte and vilifying Gabby Douglas?
	I don't know anybody who says anything.
	If ever Ryan Lochte's name occurs in a phrase, it's either followed by, is not as good as Michael Phelps, or is a douche.
	I've never heard anybody say anything else about Ryan Lochte.
	Like, he's a great swimmer, but man, he's not as good as Michael Phelps.
	And that guy is a douche.
	Always.
	I don't know a ton of Ryan Lochte fans.
	Just to be clear with you.
	The reason Ryan Lochte, people aren't super outraged, is because they expect us of him.
	Gabby Douglas, the reason people were critiquing her is because she was America's sweethearts.
	And there were a lot of reports that she was being needlessly bitchy.
	It's not because she's black.
	It's not because she didn't do well.
	It's not because she didn't put her hand on her heart with a national anthem.
	It's not because people think she was making...
	There have been reports that she isn't a team player.
	America doesn't like that.
	America doesn't like that whether it's white or black.
	They're not the same situation.
	Ryan Lochte was never America's sweetheart.
	Douglas was, and so people were disappointed with her.
	Because they loved her!
	Because white America embraced Kevin Douglas!
	Some people did confuse her with the...
	I can't even remember the name of the current Olympian who's also black.
	And that's embarrassing.
	My mom's been guilty of that.
	Being French-Canadian, she didn't see a lot of them.
	And she sometimes will walk up and say, Hey, I really like you when you played the piano!
	And it's just a different black guy at the jazz bar.
	And you're like, Mom.
	Now, is that racist?
	No!
	She was underexposed.
	Doesn't mean she hates black people.
	She has no clue as to what racism is.
	She's just seen my grandparents.
	Oh my gosh.
	All black people look alike to them because they didn't see them.
	They didn't see them.
	That's kind of a rough generation, though.
	You know, it's one of those things.
	Racism is very clearly someone who believes they are superior to another race solely because of race.
	It's not a miscommunication.
	It's not about being insensitive.
	Let's just frame that in with the racism.
	All right?
	And finally, here's a show that just came out.
	What's the name of the show here?
	I don't have it with me, do I? Oh, The Great Indoors.
	The Great Indoors.
	So this is a show where people were...
	Okay, it's a show that seems to make fun of millennials.
	Seems like it's trying to piggyback a little bit on, what's the Tim Allen show?
	Last Man Standing.
	The premise of the show is this guy is coming into this outdoor magazine, sort of, you know, wildlife, outdoor, hiking mountain man magazine, and a bunch of millennials work there, and they're part of the digital age, and they're overly sensitive.
	So the whole show is like the buddy cop thing.
	Wisecracking black guy, old white guy with a revolver who does things by the book.
	Well, this is freewheeling mountain man from the previous generation and then a bunch of mealy-mouthed, overly sensitive millennials.
	So that's the story.
	Let's roll the clip so you know what this is about.
	Between you and human resources, young adults today are a very delicate group.
	We offer an entire class on how to deal with that.
	Oh, is the class called I Was Born in the 90s Wham?
	No.
	There you go.
	So, everything we're talking about, all of the outrage, we're tying this up.
	Millennials are overly sensitive.
	They're outraged about everything.
	This show makes fun of it.
	Guess how millennial reporters reacted?
	I'm going to guess they were maybe a little bit touchy.
	They were outraged!
	They were outraged!
	Here you go.
	A millennial member interrupted Gibbons.
	I'm a millennial myself.
	How are we so coddled and what about our overly politically correct workplace bothers you?
	Why are you portraying us as too sensitive?
	And then at one point they asked, this is a member of the media who's a millennial, So are you the Trump show?
	I'm just seeking clarification.
	They're mocking the very reaction that they get for mocking them.
	Oh my god, this is how far we've come.
	We'll have Joey Salads up next.
	Hold on to your butts.
	All right, all right.
	Our weekly double-secret patriarchy meeting is now in session.
	As you know, there are refreshments at the back of the room, but please keep it to a two-per-person maximum.
	Mark Wahlberg, I'm looking at you.
	I only drank one last time, okay?
	You're a terrible liar, Marky Mark, but you're cute.
	First item on the list this week is making sure we maintain our grip on rape culture.
	Any ideas?
	Yes, you at the back.
	Yeah, I was thinking like maybe some reverse psychology.
	Hmm.
	I'm listening.
	So I was thinking like maybe we tell women who say they've been raped...
	To go to the cops.
	Thereby ensuring that they'll never go to the proper authorities.
	I like it.
	Yeah, yeah, because they'll, like, do the opposite.
	Brilliant.
	So if we all go out from here and act like we want to catch and incarcerate rapists, which, of course, we won't.
	It's all a front.
	We know that.
	And tell these women to go to the police, we know that they'll do nothing more than relegate themselves to hashtags and Snapchat, which is entirely ineffective, allowing us to continue our stranglehold.
	On consequence-free rape.
	Oh, but what if one of them actually goes to the cops?
	Shut up, Perry.
	No one wants to hear the words coming out of your mouth.
	Oh, glib, Perry.
	They'll never go to the cops.
	See Leonard Dunham and Amy Schumer.
	Their rapist was Charles.
	He's still doing it today.
	Guilty!
	Well, that was productive.
	I feel good about this meeting.
	Consider it adjourned.
	See you next Tuesday.
	All right, glad to be back.
	This next guest, a little bit of a controversial figure there, not Kate Jarrett.
	A little bit controversial.
	We'll get into that.
	But nothing as controversial, even with the stunts he's pulled, as apparently coming out of the closet as really just a non-liberal, you know him on youtube.com slash Joey Salads.
	Joey Salads.
	We'll go with like the Alice Cooper name.
	We'll go with the stage name.
	Joey, thanks for being here.
	Thanks for having me.
	So you've been on YouTube for a long time.
	How many years have you been doing videos on YouTube?
	Professionally, I think around two years now.
	But I've been on it since like eight years.
	Yeah, that was me and my brother too.
	We released one in the initial Dark Ages of YouTube.
	Wow, that went viral.
	It got over a million hits and then saw the comments.
	We're like, I don't want to be here.
	Back in your little baby face.
	Yeah, so now Joey has pulled some pretty extreme stunts.
	He's been doing it for a while.
	He's known for being outlandish.
	So no shocker there, but more recently you've been...
	Doing videos that if they don't have a right-wing bent, they certainly lean that way.
	And you were talking about that, that the reaction has been somewhat surprising.
	I mean, I'm not really surprised of the reaction.
	I mean, we know how many of these liberals act.
	But, I mean, in my videos, I try not to make them like, I'm making this video and I'm a conservative and I'm going to show you what to think, the conservative point of view.
	I don't go in with that.
	Right.
	With that mentality.
	I go in where it's like, let's see how women react to me dressed up as a girl using the women's bathroom.
	And it just shows girls freaking out.
	And I did it twice because the first time, for those who don't know, I dressed up as a transgender woman and went in the girls' bathroom and women freaked out.
	And because the backlash I got was, you're not really transgender, you're not really transgender.
	So I went out.
	Next week, the following week, and I got two real transgenders who went from the male to female, whatever you want to call it, and they looked ten times manlier than me.
	They just had wigs on.
	They just had stuffed breasts.
	Well, because some people were saying, I know the criticism, they were saying it was, the first one was fake, or reactions were fake.
	So, first off, I'm assuming that's not the case, and then you got people who were actually living a life as a transgender person to sort of meet the critics.
	Yeah, so when I wanted to satisfy the people who were like, this is fake, you're not really transgender, just to meet all the criticism with the follow-up video where I had real transgender people, and I had a microphone on them and a camera on them, and as they went in, I was interviewing people as they were coming out, and many people were not happy with that.
	And when I interviewed the transgenders, they even said they get kicked out of bathrooms all the time.
	Right.
	How does that work out?
	How do you approach a couple of transgenders in A... I want to make the internet hate you a little bit.
	I want to make the internet despise you through me.
	Want to hear how I did it?
	I literally went driving down Hollywood Boulevard and I was like, let me look for the manliest looking transgenders that I could find.
	And I pull up next to them.
	Hey, you want to make a hundred bucks?
	They come over to the car.
	I'm like, I'm not looking for sex or nothing.
	None of that weird stuff.
	And I tell them what to do, and then they're like, they're down.
	Well, there you go.
	Capitalism bridges all lines.
	Luck with midgets.
	We just didn't have that.
	Little troopers.
	Well, it's funny.
	We're going to get transgenders who are mad about this, but then we get people who are mad because we tried to rent a dwarf, is the term they prefer, for a video we were doing, and they were like, we're not going to rent you one.
	You're using them for untoward purposes.
	We're like, well, your business is rentadwarf.com, or whatever it was.
	Like, what else could we use it for?
	Okay, so that happened.
	What I mentioned is sort of the backlash, because I'm sure you're more conservative.
	We probably don't line up on everything.
	So I don't want to necessarily get into micro-politics, but I know in the olden...
	I started off in film and TV, stand-up for a long time before I really transitioned to YouTube.
	I was with Fox News, and then I did work with other cable networks.
	I had agents drop me.
	I had managers who were like, listen, you really don't want to get into this in this industry.
	Now, I wonder now because online has sort of become more mainstream.
	You know, it's seen as fringe.
	Now you have comedians who choose to stay there because they can do better online.
	Is it that sentiment now online with representatives, with other people on YouTube or the blogosphere where they go, you don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole.
	Don't let people know you're conservative.
	Yeah, because I actually filmed a scissor reel.
	I'm probably not supposed to say this right now, but I filmed a scissor reel for a TV show, and the production company flew out from LA to Staten Island, where I live, filmed the whole thing, edited it, and they started pitching it to MTV, Spike, all the networks.
	And when they started, they said to me, they're like, don't tweet or post anything conservative as we're doing this process, because if...
	If MTV wants to buy it, and then they look into your videos and your tweets, and they find out you're a Trump supporter, the show's not going to sell.
	Right.
	Well, I mean, it shouldn't surprise them if you're out there in Staten Island, you know, necessarily being a Trump supporter.
	Yeah.
	That is, it is, I mean, listen, it'd be one thing if you were somebody who just sort of, you know, hosted a Young Turks show or a basic daily makeup show.
	You drank your own urine on camera a while ago.
	I mean, you're known for outlandish stunts.
	Yeah.
	Let me put that into context, because a lot of people think that I have a weird fetish of drinking my own urine.
	It's actually very common with a lot of Brazilians or people who believe it's cleansing.
	People do actually do that, but I'm just saying, compared to, hey, vote for Trump versus, alright, let's go with the morning dew here as my supercharged smoothie, it seems like that would be a little bit more controversial.
	Well, the reason why I did that was because I was filming a Jackass-style movie with my other YouTube friends.
	So we've done dumb stuff.
	Like, for example, one of them is we went in a bullring.
	I broke my wrist, got hit by the bull.
	All of us, we pepper-sprayed ourselves before going in the bullring.
	Um...
	We vomit on each other.
	My friend, actually, one of the scenes was he dressed up as a giant bird and he chugged a gallon of milk with blue food coloring in it.
	And him and my other friend both dressed up as birds.
	They went out in West Hollywood and he starts vomiting in my other friend's mouth.
	I like the birds.
	Do you ever think that maybe you shouldn't endorse Trump because it could hurt him at this point?
	No.
	They just bring out your video.
	This man's endorsing Trump, sir.
	Was that not you drinking your own urine?
	Yeah, vote Trump.
	Has that thought ever crossed your mind?
	Make a very good point.
	But I'm trying to transition a little bit.
	Slightly.
	Because I love doing the dumb stuff.
	It's so fun, but I love politics as well.
	I watch you all the time, Galvin, Ben Shapiro...
	Well, that's interesting, though, because I think people will hear you, they'll hear your accent, and they think you're a bro.
	Obviously, that's kind of what people assume.
	You're a Trump supporter, but you say you still listen to people like Shapiro, and I mean, I'm kind of right in the middle there on Trump.
	I understand both sides.
	Ben is completely anti-Trump.
	So you're a Trump supporter, but it doesn't seem like you're one of these people who's entirely polarized.
	You're listening to a lot of different points of view.
	Yeah, I mean, you guys, your anti-Trump remarks, you make some very valid points.
	But at the end of the day, I look at it as it's also Hillary or Trump, really.
	If you're not voting for Trump, it's kind of like, you know, you're almost voting for Hillary.
	We've made some pretty pro-Trump comments as well, and that's a rarity, where it's like, you know...
	We've certainly defended him with these violent riots being attributed to him.
	I don't think he's a racist at all.
	I just have issues with him switching back and forth.
	I wish I knew exactly what I were getting.
	And I think you have people who are really far into the never-Trump, which we've never been, and then they can't communicate to anyone who's pro-Trump.
	And then you have the pro-Trump people who just absolutely try to destroy the lives of anyone who's not pro-Trump.
	And we're some of the few people who I'm glad to hear you're listening because I understand it, man.
	I understand your point of view, but I also understand the point of view of someone who's like, I don't know that I can pull the lever.
	But on YouTube, oh my gosh, that's like catnip for comments.
	You ever talk about Trump and what's the reaction?
	You know, I did one of them.
	I went to the Trump rally, and all the protesters, they stand outside protesting, don't vote for Trump, Trump's a racist, whatever.
	I went there, and I pretended to be one of the anti-Trumpers.
	I went with an American flag, And I was talking to them, like, to the side.
	Hey, man, you want to stomp on this flag with me as, you know, to make a statement?
	And all the anti-Trumpers were, like, talking.
	They were like, oh, maybe we should do this.
	Whatever.
	They're getting together.
	And they're about to stomp on the American flag.
	Like, they were ready.
	They had a group going, ready to stomp on the flag.
	So right before we started, a fan walking by goes, hey, Joey Stowers, what's up?
	And then the kid that was about to stomp on the flag looks at me and is like...
	What are you trying to do?
	Are you filming a video or something?
	And then he looks at me and he's like, you're trying to set us up!
	He started freaking out, cursing at me, and next thing you know, he's got the Trumpers and the anti-Trumpers all teaming up on me because he kept on saying I was going to stomp on the flag.
	So, I mean, I kind of, like, united the people.
	Yeah, you kind of united them where they wanted to stomp you.
	I've had that.
	We've run into that a couple times, Nakajaris, specifically this last, this big gun video where people came up and were like, oh, I love what you do.
	I'm like, no, no, leave.
	Get out of here.
	And then they blow your cover.
	I mean, God bless them.
	They're trying to do their best.
	Did you release that?
	Yeah, that video's out.
	The anti-Trumpers also robbed stuff out of my backpack that was on my cameraman's back, and they robbed the flag.
	Well, they robbed it because they want equality, Joey.
	You need to learn it's okay when they do it.
	Of course.
	I mean, that's a good example right there.
	I would always defend not only someone like you, but Trump himself when they had the riots there in Chicago.
	Of course, it is completely inexcusable from the left, that kind of behavior.
	And I absolutely do think that more people voting for Donald Trump do love America compared to people...
	I mean, you'd be hard-pressed to find pro-Trump people to stomp on the flag.
	I don't think you'd be able to get them to do it.
	Or any Republican convention, even Cruz people, of course.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and then when I was doing that, Milo's, I think it's his manager, Milo's manager was there.
	He goes by Baked Alaska on Twitter, and he was right there when it was happening.
	He was recording it with his phone, and he tweeted out, Joey Sal is exposed, anti-American, because he didn't know the context of why I was doing it.
	Yeah, and people were going off on Twitter, cursing me out, saying that I hated America, all this, all that.
	Did you clear it up afterward?
	Yeah, I messaged him.
	I'm like, hey, the video comes out on Monday.
	I go, when you see it, you're going to like it.
	It's kind of almost like a pro-Trump video because it's the anti-Trump people.
	And he's like, all right, we'll see, we'll see.
	And then when the video came out, he was like, oh man, this is great.
	He's like, I'm so sorry.
	And he tweeted out apologizing.
	Yeah, we've had that a couple of times.
	Who's it we had with?
	We had something like that where someone was like, oh gosh, who was it?
	Oh, it was when we did the Ann Arbor video.
	Remember we did the Ann Arbor video?
	And this guy, the one guy who was relatively conservative, who was like...
	Most surprising of all of them.
	Yeah, the most surprising of all of them, where he was like, no, I don't...
	U of M, we did this video where U of M students wanted to ban certain terms.
	And it was like the term retarded, obviously.
	And then it went down the list like fat crazy was a term.
	And he said...
	I don't think that's at all comparable to the N-word or racial slurs because of their terms.
	And he's like, and I don't think those should be banned either.
	He was totally reasonable.
	And when someone is reasonable, when someone is rational, we always portray them that way.
	We don't have fake people.
	All of our reactions are genuine, and we don't take them out of context.
	So he actually was in the video, and he came off well, but he was still mad.
	And he went through YouTube and was like, oh, I didn't give permission to this.
	So you never know.
	Sometimes people just get cold feet.
	Oh yeah, a lot of times the people that I do these experiments or pranks on, they always try to get their videos removed.
	Well usually they can.
	Yeah, but luckily, because my channel's big, one example, the kid that was going to stomp on the American flag, his mom sent a letter to YouTube saying, that's my son in this shirt, and we want the video removed, and YouTube gave me a notice, in five days the video will be removed, unless you remove it.
	So I hit up my management company, and what they do is they go to YouTube, and they allow me to update the video to put a blur on his face.
	Right, that's what they did with us, too.
	I think that was someone at the Feminist Festival, right?
	Not Gay, Jared?
	I think that one, yeah, the Feminist Festival you had to do that for?
	Which the truth is, it took place at a public event.
	Which I think we still capture it in the link image.
	In the link image.
	The thumbnail.
	Yeah, the thumbnail.
	The truth is, you're allowed to.
	People need to understand this.
	You're allowed to, but then YouTube has its own different set of rules.
	So there's the Constitution, there's the First Amendment, and there's reasonable expectation of privacy in a public area.
	You're allowed to record, but then YouTube kowtows to them because they go after sponsors.
	All right, hold on.
	Joey Salads, we will...
	JoeySalads, youtube.com slash JoeySalads.
	Listen...
	You're in for a bumpy ride if you go over there.
	I'm not going to lie to you, but it is worth it.
	And hold on, I'll talk to Joey more after this.
	Slider with Crowder, if you tune out, you're sexist.
	And now for installment 42 of Clarence McCaskill.
	Worst negotiator ever.
	You're only making this more painful on yourself.
	Final warning, bro!
	Seriously, please, just do what he says.
	I think he'll let us go.
	Now, sweetheart, I understand where you're coming from, but, uh...
	This is not my first hostage negotiation.
	I'm betting this is yours.
	Yeah, I just want to get out of here alive.
	You're not, I say!
	Yeah, yeah, I heard it.
	And, sweetheart, I'm sorry, but...
	That's probably not in the cards.
	What?
	I know, it's kind of harsh.
	I know I'm supposed to give you hope and crap, but little known facts about negotiating, particularly with hostages, you have to give one...
	To win one.
	That's like the worst phrase ever.
	Seriously, that's cold, bro.
	I don't know what you want from me.
	We all know how this ends.
	Don't you watch the movies?
	You want me to do this dance?
	Oh, I'll kill her.
	I don't care.
	As long as you end up dead.
	What are you doing now, bro?
	I can't negotiate on an empty stomach.
	Man, quit fooling around!
	Her life's in your hands!
	Seriously, please.
	Let's just get this over with.
	You know, that's a good idea, Pumpkin.
	If I were you, I'd get this over with as quickly as possible, too.
	What?
	I'm just saying, if you can get a loaded gun, you can't save everybody over there, but...
	You might want to consider offing yourself.
	Wait, what are you talking about?
	I've been looking over Paco here as criminal file, and before he kills you, he's probably going to do some weird stuff with you.
	There's nothing I can do about that.
	Oh my god, is that true?
	No habla ingles.
	Oh, Clarence.
	Stay tuned for the next installment of Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.
	When it's not a party, we will party hard.
	Glad to be back.
	That was Joey Salads.
	You can follow him at Joey Salads.
	Let me answer something.
	We're going to review Sausage Party here for you in a second.
	People for the last few weeks have gotten so mad about guests, they go, well, why would you have Gavin McGinnis?
	Some people.
	Why would you have Ben Shapiro?
	Some other people.
	Why would you have Glenn Beck?
	Some other people.
	And then this week, why would you have Joey Salads?
	It doesn't mean we're endorsing them for president.
	Imam Chowdhury, who's now been convicted, who's going away, I think forever, It was on the show and basically said like, yeah, you should die.
	Told me that I deserve to die on air.
	Pretty much.
	He was very polite about it.
	He was extremely polite about it.
	You gotta respect that.
	The people who are offended, they shouldn't be listening to this.
	You really shouldn't.
	People are like, why would you turn up?
	We don't want you listening to this show if you get offended because we have a differing point of view.
	Seriously.
	I would prefer if you didn't watch or listen and complain.
	That's it.
	I don't care.
	I don't agree with Glenn Beck on everything.
	There's a lot that I disagree with him on vehemently.
	Same thing with Dinesh D'Azouza.
	Maybe we should just start issuing trigger warnings to be on the safe side.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Conservative social justice warriors.
	They get so triggered.
	It's like, you know, listen.
	For example, we had Gavin McGinnis and Ben on the same show exact same amount of time.
	Pro-Trump?
	Anti-Trump?
	People go, why would you have anti-Trump on?
	Just shut up.
	Really.
	It's one of those things.
	I don't care if you're left.
	I don't care if you're right.
	I don't care if you're Trump.
	I don't care if you're never Trump.
	Just don't lie to me and we can have a good discussion.
	The good thing is when we look through our numbers, which we're very grateful for, though we're never going daily, hashtag never daily, so stop asking me on Twitter about it, at S. Crowder.
	Obviously the numbers, if you have a few thousand people who get upset, that doesn't really mean anything.
	But you still do get some people who are just furious, furious that you would have the balls, if I may, to have someone on who could disagree with you.
	Bizarre.
	Joey Salads we had on because he asked to come on the show.
	Maybe I'm saying if you only had one stream of guests on.
	But that couldn't be farther from the truth to this show.
	I know.
	I think we're going to have Sally Cohn on next week.
	Sally Cohn on, hopefully.
	Who else?
	Hopefully Kurt Schilling.
	Hopefully Kurt Schilling.
	But we don't know yet.
	We don't know yet.
	So hopefully we'll get Sally Cohn on and we'll have that debate.
	Why would you have her on your show?
	Shut up, idiot.
	These people.
	These people are just ridiculous.
	These people.
	The good thing is I can talk this way because I know a vast majority of our audience approves and they're clapping.
	The funny thing is they're clapping open conversation.
	They're not clapping cheerleading.
	They're clapping to get rid of the cheerleaders.
	If you're a cheerleader, this is your show.
	Tweet your claps.
	We need some more claps in the tweets.
	I love that our audience calls us on stuff when we're wrong.
	I adore it.
	Please do.
	And we've issued corrections.
	Many, many, many times.
	Okay, speaking of which, people have said they wanted this.
	We were supposed to start more film reviews, which would happen if we had a daily show, but that's not the case.
	That's not the case.
	Sausage Party.
	Jared and I both saw it.
	Oh, here's a funny story.
	In the parking lot for Sausage Party.
	Jared knows this.
	I swear to God, this is true.
	So I had knee surgery.
	My knee hasn't recovered as I'd like it to.
	So I have this roll-on stick, kind of like Icy Hot, but it's essential oils.
	My wife uses it.
	It does feel good.
	It helps.
	So I go, listen, before we go into the movie, if I'm going to be sitting in that chair, it really starts to get sore.
	So I need to put this on.
	But I can't roll my jeans above my knee.
	I need to get it on my knee.
	So I say, okay, we're going to park at the end of the parking lot.
	Where it's dark.
	It was a dark parking lot.
	At the end of the parking lot, and you guys block for me, I'm going to pull down my pants just to my knee on my left side to rub this on, this numbing sort of oil liquid.
	I don't know what they were doing because they had one job to do.
	Make sure that I wasn't caught with my pants down.
	End of the parking lot, very dark.
	You couldn't take a picture with your phone.
	No.
	It wouldn't show up.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Can I get a picture?
	And it's a fan who walks up in a parking lot with my pants down, rubbing on Deep Relief Essential oil on my knee.
	And I zipped up my pants, I buttoned them, I gave Jared a dirty look, and I gave the man a picture.
	Or possibly they'll see me right now.
	Or possibly.
	And then we walked away and we realized my brother had, he has quite the hairy chest, and he had his shirt, for whatever reason he was doing something.
	Completely unbuttoned.
	But he didn't, you know, until he walked away, so it just looked really...
	It looked really bad.
	So this was on the way into Sausage Party.
	We saw Sausage Party.
	My review is not that great.
	Jared, first off, to...
	It was funny.
	They had funny parts.
	Sure.
	It had some pretty laugh.
	But it's just...
	That brand of comedy gets old after...
	I don't think it...
	I think they stretched it a little bit too far.
	Like, it would have been a better, like, half-hour cartoon.
	Yes, exactly.
	It would have been a sketch that went on too long.
	By the way, they used our Socialisms for Figs shirt.
	They used that exact same gag, God hates Figs, in the food aisle.
	We did it first.
	No one stole it.
	I'm just saying.
	We're not going to stop selling that shirt once the merch store is open, but it'll never be open.
	Here's the thing.
	Everything that was funny about it...
	I don't have a problem with dirty humor.
	Obviously, I think Nick DiPaolo is one of the funniest people ever.
	The thing is, Nick DiPaolo is just as funny on this show when he's working blue in a nightclub or when he's providing commentary on television.
	He doesn't need it, but he does it because he likes it.
	For me, I start to lose tolerance when you can only be funny if it's filthy, if it's shock humor.
	Again, I have no problem.
	Jim Norton, I think it's hilarious.
	Bill Burr, Nick DiPaolo.
	These are some of my favorite comics.
	But Seth Rogen, my patience is wearing thin because everything is just, yeah, smoke pot and penis jokes and porno.
	That's everything.
	You've got to throw a couple of lesbians.
	You've got to fool.
	Lesbians, Christians are stupid, and I'm really Jewish and fat.
	I just can't do it.
	Everything funny about Sausage Party was done better by South Park.
	Full disclaimer.
	Hint.
	Spoiler alert.
	There's a big...
	All these sausages and all these...
	It's these animated food items.
	You would never see it coming.
	You'd never see it coming.
	They all have a giant orgy.
	Well, listen.
	Team America did it first.
	The South Park guys with Team America, Trey and Matt, they did a few other things, too.
	I was watching going like, gosh, that's remarkably similar to South Park.
	So I wouldn't recommend it.
	I certainly wouldn't recommend it if you're easily offended or certainly wouldn't recommend taking the kids to it.
	But it gets a little too long.
	You're like, alright, I get it.
	The sausage is a penis.
	Okay, Seth Rogen's going to do his immature man-boy shtick and we're going to get bombarded with the leftist agenda here.
	Okay, Christians are stupid.
	Alright, all gay stuff.
	Okay, we get it.
	And then a big orgy.
	And that's about it.
	So, I don't know.
	I really did think Seth Rogen was funny.
	And I just...
	I don't know if I've just...
	I've gotten tired of it.
	Yeah.
	I've gotten tired of the shtick.
	And there are some people where that's the case.
	And there are some people who are just as funny today as they always were.
	I'd put Nick in there.
	I'd put Bill Burr in there.
	I'd put Louis C.K. in there, even though I disagree with him.
	I'd put Kathleen Madigan in there.
	Seth Rogen just needs to prove that he can do some...
	It's kind of like Quentin Tarantino.
	At a certain point, you've got to prove that you can do something else.
	So, sausage party.
	I don't know.
	Are we doing a star rating system?
	I would give it a three if you're judging it purely on just entertainment.
	Is it a five-star system?
	A five-star.
	Well, a lot of film reviews are four-star.
	You don't even know.
	We consolidate the star system at least.
	Still kind of messed up.
	I don't know.
	I don't give it a good rating.
	And I got caught with my pants down in the parking lot.
	Bad memories.
	We'll be back with Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican.
	And now, Roger Ailes advises Donald Trump.
	Music Music . .
	Okay, listen, we're down to the polls.
	Those can change in a moment.
	Notice we found, okay, I'm doing poorly with women, which is bizarre because women love me.
	But the one thing we've had at our convention, women really responded positively to Ivanka.
	Ivanka, come out of here.
	Yes, Ivanka resonated positively with young women.
	That's right, Roger.
	Okay, so we need to find the best way, okay, to use Ivanka in the campaign.
	Ivanka, how do you see yourself being instrumental to the campaign?
	Well, I was thinking that as a strong, independent...
	Oh, Ron!
	Pumps!
	I like it when a woman wears a good pair of pumps.
	Yeah, I'm surprised you know that.
	I think that with my pedigree...
	Take that dress, sir!
	Over the shoulder a little more.
	I don't like what's happening.
	What?
	Let the dress fall off your shoulder.
	Shoulder.
	Okay, this is bad.
	I don't want to slide the dress off my shoulder.
	Oh!
	That's no fun.
	No fun!
	We won't vote for someone who's not smart.
	Okay, I don't really think I, uh...
	Listen to your bra.
	Okay, this is just...
	Sweet God, man, okay?
	For like five minutes, control it, Roger.
	Stay tuned for more.
	That music faded out way too quickly.
	Did you fade it out?
	I did.
	There we go.
	I'm feeling it.
	Now it's going out.
	Now it's gone.
	All right, well, we have to bring in some more music anyway because we have our next guest.
	You know him.
	You can read his stuff at therightscoop.com.
	You know him on the Twitter as at super, S-O-O-P-E-R, Mexican.
	Hit his intro, not gay, Jared.
	I am singing at the party.
	We're all singing.
	We're all singing.
	I am singing.
	It's my turn to sing at the party.
	I just realized this intro is formidably racist.
	At SuperMexican, thank you for being with us, sir.
	Hello, how are you doing?
	No, no, we know that's not how you sound.
	Oh, we're not going to do that?
	No, we can't because then we're going to get letters from people who actually sound that way and they're going to be offended.
	My cousins.
	Yes, yes, your cousins.
	What percentage are you Mexican, by the way?
	I will tell them, stop writing letters to Stephen Crowder.
	He doesn't like it.
	He does not like it.
	He's not a fan.
	He just doesn't like it.
	Hey, I wanted to ask you this, because we're going to get into election stuff.
	So you have that Mexican in you.
	Sorry for the phrasing.
	One thing, I know you're not a big fan of Trump, but one thing I said, I don't think, if an immigration policy only affects illegal immigrants negatively...
	I don't think it's racist.
	Would we probably agree that one of our qualms with Donald Trump, probably not the fact that he has a problem with illegals?
	Oh yeah, I don't care.
	Yeah, no, I'm, you know, I was a cruise guy.
	And Cruz is actually to the right of Trump on illegal immigration.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I get this criticism all the time, and it's absurd.
	You know, they see my name, and they're like, oh, you're open borders.
	Like, no, I'm not.
	I don't want to shut down the border yesterday.
	Like, I'm...
	Absolutely, 100%, you know, pro shutting down illegal immigration, deporting people, all of that.
	I just don't think this moron is going to do it.
	All right.
	Well, in case you didn't know where he lines up.
	So you've been covering it this week a lot.
	Obviously, give the audience, for those who don't know, just a quick rundown.
	Trump's shaken up his campaign.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was a big shock, I'll tell you.
	And probably one of the most poorly designed, you know, recognitions of changing your campaign.
	It was crazy.
	So it was just...
	Right in the evening, like on...
	At midnight, I think, they announced that they were going to change the leadership of the campaign.
	They were going to bring on Steve Bannon, who is the head of Breitbart News, which just blows my mind.
	What other campaign has done this?
	Had the head of a news blog basically become...
	The hard of your campaign, it's just insane.
	Well, they've had just those cozy relationships, to be fair, in the left with people at ABC and NBC. It's all the incestuous media political relationships.
	Yeah, the difference is you don't have to pay them on that side.
	Yeah, they just do it for free.
	So I do understand.
	I mean, people are saying, oh, they're fighting fire with fire at this point.
	If the left does it, he should too.
	Yeah, but it's not like anyone ever, you know, accepted Breitbart as being a competent, you know, rational news outlet.
	I mean, anybody who doesn't love Breitbart, they know that they're biased.
	It's not, you know, it's not even a question there.
	But yeah, no, I see what you're saying.
	Well, to be fair, though, I mean, when Andrew was alive, I mean, and I wrote there quite a bit.
	So I think at one point...
	I was one of the first writers there.
	I was back in this big Hollywood for Andrew.
	I had a weekly column.
	But I worked directly with Andrew and Ben and some of the people who are there now.
	Not many people are left, but I understand where you're coming.
	I have to be fair here because obviously you're in a different kind of site and people go, well, he's just biased.
	But you're right.
	It is unprecedented to make this kind of a pivot, but more importantly, along with Roger Ailes.
	So, because I know you caught a lot of flack, right, at your site, and a lot of us did too, where they're going, Fox News is just anti-Trump because of Megyn Kelly.
	And I said for a long time, listen, I know people, half of them are golf buddies with Donald Trump.
	Just because Megyn Kelly doesn't like him doesn't mean Fox News is anti-Trump.
	Do you feel that there's some sort of vindication there, objectively, that, okay, we kind of knew that Fox was favoring Trump with the Ailes situation?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	You know, that's the kind of thing where people don't understand that, you know, you have your sources and you talk to people that you can't really acknowledge.
	You know, like I know people, I talk to them and they tell me what's going on, but I can't see that when I write these things up.
	In that respect, I thought it was pretty obvious.
	I thought it was really clear.
	I think the more interesting thing now is to look back now that he's on the campaign and ask yourself, Yeah, actually got a lot of ratings boost because of it.
	So it's really kind of fascinating to look back.
	And he's making us so even more attention deficit disorder than we were before that we only think about what's going on in the last half hour.
	But when you look back, it makes it even more fascinating to wonder how this was all planned out.
	Well, I don't think there's a lot of collusion at Fox with all of the anchors.
	I mean, that's why you see a pretty wide spectrum of people who are pro-Trump against Trump.
	I was never told what to say when I was at Fox News, but I've said this.
	The things I really wanted to say sometimes were like, let's stay away from that.
	Right.
	And there certainly was, you know, when the Romney campaign happened, it was certainly known everyone thought he was the only one who had a chance.
	Now, I didn't hate Romney.
	I never hated Romney.
	You know, when it came down to Romney or Santorum, I was like, well, okay, probably Santorum because I thought he had a better chance in the Rust Belt than Romney.
	Doesn't mean I agree with him on a whole lot more than Romney.
	But I remember they made it really clear.
	It was known like, okay, Fox News, this is the Romney house at this point.
	They never said you can't.
	Speak out against him, but it was known.
	There was that kind of cloud.
	And so I would imagine that was the same case with Trump.
	I mean, who else is going to be buddies with Fox News?
	Ted Cruz?
	No.
	Of course.
	I think you're going to have individual people who are fans, but yeah, as an actual relationship with the head honchos there, of course, it's Donald Trump.
	And I think what we're finding out is that he's had these relationships and he's been forming these for such a long time.
	And so that's why, you know, when you look at what happens, it feels like somebody's pulling the carpet from under you because you're like, wow, like, wow, how are these people all terribly friendly with this guy all of a sudden?
	Like, for instance, Judge Jeanine, right, who who is like one million percent Trump, it turns out that he gave her twenty thousand dollars for a campaign a long time ago.
	And, you know, we don't want to say that she was bought off, but certainly that makes you friendly to somebody, right?
	Right.
	Well, it's not even so much $20,000 as it's the relationship that represents.
	You don't really do that with someone that you don't know.
	Exactly.
	Kind of like we just talked with Dinesh.
	He did that.
	With someone who was a friend, they didn't even really know he did it.
	He did it because he wanted her to win.
	And they railroaded him for it, and he's the only person in history to have had that happen.
	He didn't do it because he knew it was a ton of cash.
	He did it because it was a friend.
	Okay, so the reason I want to have you on, too, and we don't have a ton of time, you track polls a lot.
	You're good with this.
	Do you think this is going to work for Donald Trump, regardless of where you line up or I line up?
	Do you think, from a strategy standpoint, this could pay dividends for Trump to shake it up and go with these people?
	You know what's really odd about this is that what he did is very schizophrenic, right?
	So it depends on whether he listens more to Kellyanne Conway, the pollster, who is the campaign manager, or if he listens to Steve Bannon.
	Because Bannon is very much a bomb thrower, and Kellyanne is not.
	She's a little more straight line, you know.
	So I think what we saw tonight with the speech that he gave is that he's doing what he should be doing, which is staying on course, but being crazy Trump about it.
	So, you know, he was attacking Hillary Clinton.
	He was staying on about illegal immigration.
	He was being right on target.
	He was being as bombastic and crazy as he usually is, but he was picking the right targets, not a gold medal or a gold star family.
	Right.
	Well, I don't have a problem with that.
	I just said I wish he was doing that all along.
	I wish as soon as the primary was done, no more Ted Cruz, any of those people, only Hillary.
	And I was saying if you compared the tweets, Hillary has been much more vicious to Trump than the other way around, and I found that curious.
	Sure.
	Well, that's what I'm saying is that...
	If he keeps doing what he did tonight, I think he's going to have a chance.
	But wow, does he have an uphill battle?
	I mean, he is so down in the polls.
	I am shocked that the RNC hasn't kicked him out already.
	It is just a bloodbath right now.
	And all the people coming out and pitching that skewed poll nonsense, it's absurd.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	They did it with Romney, too.
	And there were a lot of people who thought Romney was going to win, including Dana Perino who talked about it because it was the polls are rigged.
	And I remember back then going, I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by lying here.
	Yeah, but that was close.
	I mean, you know, it was within a couple of points.
	Here you're talking about 10 points, and you're talking about, you know, a bunch of different polls all over the country.
	It's absolutely absurd, but that's the kind of fantasy that they're pitching over at Breitbart.com now.
	You know, like you said, back then it was a little different.
	I think they were a little more respected and a little more, you know, reasonable.
	So yeah, I think if he stays on course, he's got a chance, but it's still a real uphill battle.
	It is an uphill battle.
	I mean, every swing state, I think, except for Florida, no one has ever been this far behind and come back to win the ones that I've seen.
	And the scary one, the scary one is North Carolina.
	That's a scary one, because he's down by a lot, last poll I checked, and Democrats have only gotten that, what, two times in the last 26 years?
	It's been very few.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	It's something really outlandish, and he was down by a lot.
	Certainly, it wasn't even as close as Florida, by which he's up.
	Super, we have to go, but thank you for the analysis.
	Where's the best place to be able to find you, brother?
	And you can find me at SuperMexican.com and also at TheRightScoop and on Twitter.
	That was such a half-hearted Mexican.
	It was.
	You can find me, alright.
	I'm not going to keep going with this.
	You're rushing me out the door, man.
	I don't know what's going on over here.
	Well, because we didn't know.
	We didn't have this.
	So we have Chad with AIDS coming up because he got a very nice letter from someone who was inspired by him and we wanted to give him the floor.
	And he has AIDS. And he has the AIDS. So, at SuperMexican...
	We'll have you back.
	Get your set up there, good sir, at Super Mexican.
	And thank you very much.
	Well, after this, we're going to take a break.
	I'll talk about Larry Wilmore and cries of racism!
	Did I do that right?
	Do I have a job?
	Nailed it.
	For breaking news on Louder with Crowder, I'm Perry Matheson.
	It was announced this week that Larry Wilmore and his nightly program on Comedy Central has been cancelled due to low ratings.
	We take you now to exclusive footage to his farewell finale.
	Um...
	Racism!
	Ha!
	Because racism!
	I know!
	Racism!
	That man is a cut-up.
	We'll keep you abreast as this story unfolds.
	I'm Perry Moussa.
	I'm Perry Moussa.
	Glad to be back.
	That was, by the way, that was The Fox.
	That was The Fox.
	People are going, what is this?
	That was from Hot City, H-O-T-T City.
	My mother-in-law had a band.
	Yep.
	And it was a contractual obligation with, I think, I don't know if it was Columbia, to do a disco.
	She did a bunch of B.A. things back in the day.
	She's done a lot of stuff.
	Well, you would be surprised as to who she toured with Joni Mitchell, with Aretha Franklin.
	She was on with The Grateful Dead, but she was...
	Huge, huge names and recorded with all the biggest recording people, Motown, you know, there are in Detroit.
	And, man, the stories...
	It's so funny because I met her a handful of times and I just can't picture her because she's so just like...
	Just kind of, you know, nice and sweet.
	It's hard to imagine a bold rock star.
	She's a walking Disney character.
	I know.
	Wouldn't she be like, oh, do you want some coffee?
	Night after night, we'll just dance.
	Except way better.
	You're like, oh my gosh, you have some pipes.
	I know.
	I can't picture coming out of it.
	And she can really do some soul stuff.
	So anyways, that's what we got that on there.
	If you approve, you can tweet us at SCrowder.
	It's bizarre.
	I know people are thinking like, well, that was a weird change of pace.
	I'm all about it.
	For a bump.
	So, Larry Wilmore's show got canceled at Comedy Central.
	Hopefully, that'll happen with Trevor Noah soon.
	Of course, it's happened because ratings were cut in half.
	That tends to be a bad thing?
	Right.
	Generally speaking.
	It's a general rule.
	About half.
	And, well, take a guess.
	Why do you think Larry Wilmore thinks that he was fired?
	Good thing we have a clip.
	Good thing.
	Let's roll it.
	Although on the plus side, I must say, our show going off the air has to only mean one thing.
	Racism is solved.
	We did it.
	We did it.
	In fact...
	So, here's the deal.
	Is he just joking?
	Possibly.
	Right?
	Possibly he's just joking.
	I have something else I wanted to bring up here, but I don't have it up on my screen.
	Yeah, but the joke doesn't make sense.
	It's like the opposite of opposite sarcasm.
	You know, it only means one thing, racism is solved.
	Because clearly racism hasn't been solved because you're taken off the air.
	So the only way you're making a joke is that clearly you're being taken off the air because of racism.
	It's not a good joke.
	I think he would be the first to say that it isn't a good joke.
	Maybe if they had some better writers, their ratings wouldn't be so in the pits.
	Maybe his ratings wouldn't be so in the pits.
	He talked about...
	The unblackification.
	Where is it?
	I don't have it here.
	The de-blackification.
	Oh yeah, the unblackening.
	I have it right here on my screen.
	I've got it highlighted.
	He said, I guess I hadn't counted on the unblackening happening to my time slot as well.
	So, let me kind of give you a timeline here, okay, with Larry Will.
	And you're going to see the same thing happen with Trevor Noah.
	Trevor Noah, South African, who comes over here to lecture Americans on racism.
	Wrap your noggin around that one.
	Hang on control on other issues.
	Yeah, of course, because it's worked out so well for where he comes from.
	That's why he's fled that country to come here for opportunity.
	So Larry Wilmore takes a show, takes a slot, just kills it, just beats it into the ground, is far, far left, is a total propagandist, was never even that good on the Daily Show to begin with.
	I think he can be clever.
	The show wasn't very funny, and it just became beating the same old drum about racism.
	Republicans are stupid.
	Let's do the math here.
	People say, are you just bitching about the media?
	No, we don't just bitch about the media.
	That's why we create media.
	That's why we do what we do so you have some kind of an alternative.
	And we're very grateful that as many people pay attention as they do.
	I know it could all go away tomorrow.
	We're incredibly grateful.
	But Kimmel, Fallon, Conan, Wilmore, Trevor Noah, Amy Schumer, every single one.
	And I don't mean every single one is probably liberal.
	I mean every single one has been on a political platform to push a candidate or a specific leftist legislative policy at some point.
	Amy Schumer with gun control.
	Conan O'Brien pushing gun control.
	I mean, these people, either they're at a Clinton rally or they're at a Bernie rally or Larry Wilmore.
	So he destroys the ratings by constantly beating the same drum of racism, racism, racism.
	It's social justice warrior comedy.
	Racism, racism.
	And every now and then they say, hey, we're becoming too politically correct.
	It's because of them.
	The ratings, which I'm sure they would have had meetings with him saying, hey, you need to change it up.
	Refuse to.
	The ratings are cut in half.
	They finally fire him and he says, racism.
	Oh my god!
	It's gotten to the point where...
	Maybe you're just not that funny.
	Maybe the reason that Richard Pryor was loved.
	Maybe the reason that Eddie Murphy was loved.
	Maybe the reason that Dave Chappelle was loved.
	Maybe the reason that Key and Peele did really well.
	Maybe the reason that Chris Rock did it is because they're funny and you just suck.
	Maybe you're not funny.
	Maybe it's not because you're black.
	By the way, he looks like Dana Carvey in Master of Disguise doing the Turtles Club.
	You compare him to Richard Pryor?
	Come on.
	Barely passes the sandpaper test.
	We have one more clip, and here's why.
	Just so you know the spirit of it, this is not a guy who kind of is left.
	He decided to sign off on his show.
	Now he's tipped his hand so you know all along where he lined up.
	Roll the clip.
	So stop comparing the two.
	Donald Trump is an existential threat to America.
	And if you love America, like me, you have to hope that Hillary Clinton wins every single electoral vote this November.
	So there you go.
	There you go.
	I also love how the second he said that, yes!
	Is this a comedy show or is this church?
	Yes.
	Yes!
	Preach!
	So what he just said is if you love America like me, meaning if you don't love America, you'll vote Trump, you have to hope that Hillary Clinton wins every single electoral vote.
	This is why we won't endorse candidates.
	By the way, I've been critical of Trump.
	I've supported Trump where I can.
	This is the kind of thing that makes me want to go out there with a Trump sign, defend him, and pull the lever as many times as I can.
	Find dead guys and dig up their bodies to vote Trump, just like leftists will do for Hillary.
	Get as many illegals to come in who, I don't know what illegals we could get in, who would do the opposite of what the Mexican illegals do, to just pull the lever for Trump.
	This makes me want to defend him so much, where he is an existential threat, therefore you must vote Hillary.
	We can find a good bus and go pick up people who can't afford transportation.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Promise them a few free sandwiches if they vote Trump.
	This is why we don't endorse a candidate.
	This is why we don't come out and cheerlead.
	This is why we have to be supportive and critical of everybody.
	Because guess what?
	After this, it's a good thing he's going off the air.
	I could never laugh at him.
	I could never find him funny.
	Could you find Larry Will more funny when the guy has openly said, I am deliberately trying to create propaganda.
	My number one goal here is to elect somebody, not to make you laugh, and the ratings reflect it.
	That person can no longer be funny.
	You can be open about it and say, listen, that's what we said.
	We're very open that we're incredibly biased.
	Absolutely, we'll listen to all points of view, but I've got an opinion.
	And I think it's right.
	If I didn't think it were right, I wouldn't have an opinion.
	But look at Larry Wilmar.
	Case in point, that's why we don't do it.
	But he'll say that it's racism.
	Maybe it's because you're not funny and you came out and you were pushing Hillary Clinton.
	And, little hint, half the country doesn't like her.
	Therefore, half the country finds you obnoxious and the ratings are going to suffer.
	Half the country?
	You've pissed off openly?
	Half the ratings?
	Who'd have thought?
	We'll be back with Chad with AIDS. This Week in Feminism.
	What?
	Amy, a hashtag?
	How would creating a hashtag help me more than going to the police?
	It probably won't, but you will gain a super ton of followers.
	I don't want to gain followers.
	I want to catch the perpetrator.
	Sounds like something someone with only 50,000 followers would say.
	Amy, that's not the point.
	This guy is still out there.
	I know, and there's no better revenge than gaining more Twitter followers.
	No, I need to save other women.
	I need to stop him from attacking another victim.
	Well, I guess what.
	I mean, it could be you.
	How do you make sure something like this doesn't happen to you?
	Have you considered gaining 50 pounds?
	All right, we will bring up our guest after, but I have to bring this up.
	This is on screen from our wonderful sponsors at AR15.com.
	The open threads there are always very funny.
	Someone took Larry Wilmore and put him next to Dana Carvey from the Turtle Club.
	Look at this.
	Look at this, Jared.
	Was I not correct?
	Bring that up.
	Bring that up.
	Come on.
	Come on now.
	Oh gosh.
	That called it.
	Am I not turtly enough for the Turtles Club?
	Horrible film.
	That's rough.
	Absolutely terrible motion.
	Terrible.
	So anyway, I'm super glad to bring up our next guest because it's more of a personal thing and I wanted to have him on.
	You folks know him as, apologies, Chad with AIDS. Chad, thanks for being on the program, sir.
	Hello?
	It's bizarre that we get emails from people saying, I was so inspired by Chad with AIDS as the moniker, and I'm going, I can't believe this is allowed to occur on air.
	I'm surprised you're not more triggered, Chad.
	That's the point I'm getting at.
	I cry every day.
	I just hide it really well.
	Well, we all do that.
	So, okay, you got an email.
	I wanted to read this.
	There was an email from me that was sent.
	For those who don't know, Chad has openly pushed against the leftist Gestapo who fight against disclosure laws with HIV. He's talked about that.
	Go back to the archives.
	And I got an email from someone.
	I won't give his name.
	But he said, today I was listening to episode Chad.
	And...
	He said, my uncle got age from needle drug use, intravenous drug use, when he was enlisted in the Navy.
	He was actually the first person prosecuted and jailed in the state of blank for failure to disclose the law.
	And he said it was the absolute best outcome for him.
	While in prison, he got clean.
	When he was released, he met and married a woman.
	He stayed clean for years.
	Thereafter, helped raise a You know, I thought...
	After seeing so much of the other side, I thought that it was really helpful that people took it seriously, that they're understanding the purpose behind what I was talking about.
	You know, we're in a weird place in the gay community right now where we have this medication called PrEP that's supposed to protect you from HIV. We have medications that are supposed to make you undetectable.
	And as Zach Ford was telling you in your interview with him, it's impossible to transfer it.
	And...
	Now, I mean, in February there was an article in PAWS Magazine that was talking about a man who became HIV positive because he was taking PrEP like he was supposed to and he had sex with a man who had a drug-resistant form of HIV. And about 1% of people that become HIV positive inherit a drug-resistant form of HIV. It's increasing because we're using the same drugs and there are more and more people getting infected that they're becoming HIV positive.
	To where they can't be treated.
	But we're supposed to be trusting people.
	It's like Zika for penises.
	Yeah.
	It's a super wiener issue.
	Yeah, it's funny because I remember he came on and I was going, well, you know what?
	I don't know that that's true.
	He just said there's no way if your viral loads are undetectable, there's no way you can transfer it so you shouldn't have to disclose it.
	And I was going, is that true 100%?
	He's like, well, 99 point whatever.
	And the more I looked it up, the more that seemed...
	There are several cases.
	I haven't heard of this sort of super virus like you've talked about, people who are on this drug, but it's certainly more common than the 0% he made it out to be.
	And then we have this drag queen, this Irish drag queen who the Huffington Post says, drag queen makes powerful statement by wearing tiara coated with HIV positive blood to fight HIV stigma.
	And I'm thinking...
	We're the most medically advanced place now.
	We could stop HIV in one generation, and we've got drag queens running around with HIV blood, and they're being called brave.
	And, I mean, think about this.
	1% of people who give them HIV positive, proportionally, less than 1% of the gay population is transgendered, and we give them bathrooms.
	I mean...
	And by the way, there is nothing that I or even the Westboro Baptist Church could do to stigmatize trannies and HIV more than putting them out in a parade with an HIV blood-covered tiara.
	I don't know who you have to talk to at the secret gay meetings, but just so you know, they don't require homophobes to stigmatize them when they're doing a much better job with that.
	And they're calling it brave.
	It's nonsense.
	It is pretty brave.
	If that transgender doesn't have HIV, I'm not going to lie, that's ironically a ballsy move to an HIV tiara.
	So I will give respect where it's due, Chad.
	By the way, I'd like to point out that somehow transgender people manage to use public bathrooms for 60 years until 2015 when all of a sudden...
	It's become an issue, I just...
	Well, it became an issue because of the city ordinance in Charlotte, and then the state had to come out and say, well, okay, that can infringe on businesses.
	And so people who don't understand it and don't trace it, they just go, why did North Carolina have to create a law?
	Even Ruben was talking about this, and he was actually just...
	It's like, well, because Charlotte did first, and they didn't want businesses to be under a threat because they practiced their privacy rights and say, no, you should use this bathroom.
	So a lot of people don't know that, and that was kind of a catalyst, and nobody talks about it.
	Hey, by the way, we wrote about this.
	Did you read about the whole, speaking of this, the gender unicorn with North Carolina schools?
	I did, yes.
	You did.
	Gender unicorn.
	Basically, they're telling teachers, they're coaching them to not use boy or girl because they find it offensive.
	And so there's this little unicorn to teach them about gender identity.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah.
	You know, the first thing that hits me from the gender unicorn is that the assumption is that we're all queer.
	It's a purple unicorn thinking of a rainbow.
	And the idea is it breaks down gender identity, gender expression, sex assigned to birth, physical attracted to and emotionally attracted to.
	So you can be both now, I guess.
	Right.
	And they list male, female, and other.
	Right.
	Well, there's so much now, whether it's Dragon Lady, whether it's the five-year-old, whether it's, you know, HuffPost said things you should never say to a non-gender binary person.
	For those who don't know, that means they could be gay, they could be straight, they could be a woman, they could be a man on any given day, just depending on how they feel.
	That's an actual thing.
	That's front page at, well, formerly Gawker, HuffPost, Salon.
	People need to understand this isn't some fringe thing.
	They go, well, liberals hate social justice words.
	This is mainstream liberalism.
	This is people who would be in Hillary's cabinet.
	And I'm kind of confused now, because I've always identified as a purple unicorn.
	But I don't know if I'm gay.
	I'm attracted to men, I think, but I don't know what a man is, because they have to tell me first.
	This is true.
	And what if I'm attracted to a man who is emotionally attracted to...
	Hold on, this is too much for radio.
	It's not going to make sense.
	Let me ask you this.
	Let me try and unpack this.
	It's like a Larry Wilmore joke.
	Yes, it's like a Larry Wilmore joke.
	And then when people don't laugh, he goes, what are you, racist?
	And they go...
	Okay, let me ask you this, because I've always wondered this about gay people.
	And I had an answer once from a prominent conservative gay person, but I wasn't satisfied.
	So you're gay, so you're attracted to men.
	Mm-hmm.
	Would you date, or would you, do you think, are you attracted to female to male transgenders who haven't gone through the bottom surgery?
	Nope.
	With the bottom surgery, nope.
	Huh.
	It's, honestly, because it's, they're not male.
	I'm attracted to masculine characteristics.
	It's not just the physical characteristics, it's also the male characteristics.
	And as masculine as a woman can be, It doesn't work.
	Now, contradictory, the first guy I ever hit on in a gay bar was a girl.
	Was that an accident?
	Yeah, I thought he was a cute boy, and they thought, you know...
	Story of my life.
	This is a lifestyle.
	Story of my life.
	I appreciate you giving us a window into it.
	Yeah, they played along for a while, and then his girlfriend came over, and I was like, oh great, I've hit on a straight guy in a gay bar, of course.
	And no, it was a...
	But no, I just...
	And I'll be honest, I can't imagine...
	When does your book come out?
	When does your book come out, Chad?
	I'm trying to make sense of this love triangle.
	At least the audio tapes.
	Good lord.
	Honestly, I don't think you...
	I mean, this isn't...
	It's unfair to transgender people, but I don't think a straight man should be expected to be attracted to a man who becomes female, no matter how well that person passes.
	Their body is still male to resemble female.
	I think that is perfectly acceptable for a straight man to say no.
	I don't think a single gay man that I know would be comfortable dating a woman who now resembles a man.
	Well, that's more common, but I did have a prominent gay conservative tell me.
	And by the way, people are going to say it's not Milo.
	It's not Milo.
	So we're just trying to read through the lines.
	It's not Milo.
	So I don't want people to say that.
	There's only like three of us.
	No, they're more than you would expect.
	Maybe a Bruce or Milo.
	Well, maybe a lesbian.
	Could be gay or lesbian.
	Who knows?
	Could be bi.
	But when I said, hey, you're attracted to people of the same sex.
	Let's use a lesbian for example.
	I said, so if you're like attracted to women.
	I remember asking this question.
	I was much younger.
	I was like 22.
	I said, so you're attracted to the feminine form, the beautiful form, the curves, you know, femininity.
	Yes.
	I said, so why do you date tomboys who buy plaid shirts at Orvis?
	And...
	This person said, well, once you break down the sexual norms that are expected, you're free to love whoever you want.
	And what I thought about that answer is, okay, I understand that here, but then you lose your leg to stand on if people say, well, then why not pedophilia?
	Why not something a little...
	Because you've basically said the first step is breaking down any kind of sexual or gender norms, and that's how you sort of explain being attracted to women, but being attracted to women who look like men.
	So for you, in that sense, as a gay person, have you been attracted to the...
	Because you don't come across super feminine.
	I would imagine if you're attracted to men, you wouldn't want your men to be super feminine.
	But I can't really climb into that noggin of yours, and I don't claim to.
	Girl, okay, man.
	You seem more uncomfortable doing that than super Mexican with the Latino accent.
	I know, right?
	When I try to be gay, I come off like a straight guy doing a gay guy thing.
	I'm much better at being Jewish.
	Listen...
	Listen, I like masculinity.
	I like it.
	I can't help it.
	I like it.
	It's not a thing that I... I don't know how to...
	See, that was my Jewish.
	Oh, okay.
	I didn't know why.
	See, we don't want to get the letters, so we just let you take the floor.
	You oppressed a gay guy.
	Look at the stash.
	Yeah.
	But no, honestly, I'm attracted to masculinity.
	I don't even know how to really define that.
	But at the same time, It's funny.
	Most of the lesbians I've ever known in my life look like two obese men.
	Two obese men.
	Yeah.
	It looks like when a little rascal got under a trench coat.
	Yes.
	Like the little rascal got under a trench coat, only they didn't know they had to go top-bottom.
	They just got side-by-side with two heads.
	Side-by-side.
	Not going to get anywhere that way.
	No.
	Yeah, no, I do know people who are very attracted to feminine men, and I don't know.
	But to me, it comes down to if gender doesn't exist, if gender is completely subjective, then sexuality makes no sense.
	And heterosexuality makes even less sense because how could 90-some percent of the population...
	Manage to understand your gender if you haven't decided it yet.
	That's compelling.
	It really does.
	I've always thought the transgender really does undercut the gay issue, right?
	Because it's not a mental illness that was classified for a long time.
	This is something that is genetic.
	Like Milo said, I think there's a component of both nature and nurture.
	I've always maintained that.
	It's not you choose to be gay.
	It's not that.
	But I think you can see some Definitely some trends in the raising of a lot of gay people or some relationships, and then you can see trends just genetically.
	I'm not saying a gay gene, but they tend to be a certain way, just like some people tend to be unbelievable swimmers like Michael Phelps.
	But then this turns it on its head if you have to accept this gender fluidity.
	You have to do away with all of that or it doesn't work.
	And we forget that there is choice.
	Your article about waiting for marriage was a, I think to me, it was a beautiful article about...
	Understanding your role in your own attraction.
	Certainly you were naturally attracted to women, but you chose how you understood that.
	I think that this idea that there have always just been gay people exactly the way we understand gay people now doesn't necessarily make sense.
	There have been lots of periods of time where homosexuality was more or less socially acceptable.
	It seems to follow a lot of...
	I'm richer and more luxurious.
	I hate to boot you.
	We have to let you go.
	We'll get your handle here after the break.
	Chad, thank you so much.
	And you're doing a lot of good stuff, inspiring a lot of people who may not fit the mold.
	And I get emails all the time.
	We really appreciate it.
	Well, stay tuned.
	We'll wrap this up with a nice straight bow.
	Straight bow.
	We have to.
	We have to.
	Well, I now bring you an exclusive, as Shadle Acornson of Squirrelceuticals has released yet another in a never-ending series of attack ads regarding the Hoppercane ticket.
	Listen, my opponent, Hopper, has a temperament that's, uh, unfit for the Oval Office.
	Just look at how nitty this son of a bitch is!
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	Tell you what, that dog is desperate.
	And desperate dogs do dangerous things.
	Do you want a desperate dog willing to do dangerous things merely for pets?
	As your president, I think that.
	Truer words were never spoken.
	We'll keep you abreast as the story unfolds.
	For a lot of wolf crawler, I'm Perry Mazat.
	I'm Perry Mazat.
	I'm Perry Mazat.
	That got dark.
	Always does with that one.
	You know why?
	It's the drowning dance, we call it.
	For those who listen internationally, you can watch live on Thursday nights.
	And that's the drowning dance, back from the bump.
	Because we're drowning in so much content and love.
	Never dailiness.
	And firings.
	We didn't fire you yet.
	We have to do it, rightfully so.
	So we always try and obviously tie this up in a way that you have a takeaway.
	One thing I wanted to talk about, I didn't get to talk about with Chad, and you can follow me on Twitter to follow him.
	A brave guy.
	People throw that term around a lot.
	That is a brave dude who's willing to come out and talk.
	I mean, the guy's an open book.
	Sometimes he says stuff where I'm going, gosh, I can't believe you would say that on air.
	Or I'm surprised that you would open up on air.
	To speak out against the gay community, the LGBTQAIP community, the movement, the way he does, and the flack he catches, I think it's great.
	I think it's great.
	And I think I would think it's great even if he didn't line up with me politically.
	So, one thing I also want to talk about with bullies, because Chad knows this, and I do hate bullying of any kind.
	We're talking about this with Dinesh and Chank, and people, they'll attack us online.
	It happens all the time.
	Listen, I understand this.
	We try and invite everybody on to debate.
	We invited Sally Cohn on next week.
	Hopefully she comes on.
	Let me kind of give you an example as to, with the online sort of warfare, trolls, and people saying, well, what is considered bullying?
	If you choose to attack somebody...
	This is my rule.
	In real life, it's easy to see who's a bully, right?
	Typically, someone who gangs up on somebody, right?
	They bully them.
	They have their gang behind them.
	That's when they're confident.
	And then, when they're one-on-one, they're not so confident, they shrink.
	That's a bully, generally speaking.
	Online, if you attack somebody, and we've had this a lot.
	We've had people at Gawker, Wong Ketz.
	Gosh, it's happened so many times.
	Obviously, the Young Turks.
	If you attack somebody and you're willing to make a video, or you're willing to do it on Twitter...
	Or wherever it may be, on a website.
	That's with your audience.
	That's with the comment section.
	That's the gang.
	That's, ha ha ha, here's the group of us.
	And then that person, as we always do, offers you the chance, one-on-one.
	Right?
	Alright, let's get in the racquetball court and settle it.
	Let's argue this.
	Let's have a conversation.
	And they refuse to show up.
	That's a coward.
	Now, it's important to note...
	If they choose to call out that person, if you choose to call out somebody, you have to provide them some recourse or response.
	So we've done that with Young Turks.
	If Amy Schumer or if Lena Dunham wanted to be on tomorrow, they would be on tomorrow.
	Zach Ford wanted to be on.
	He was on.
	Christopher Titus called me out.
	I said, okay, let's have you on.
	Sally Cohn, Phil Advise.
	So we do that.
	We never call anybody out who we—well, I never call anybody out who I wouldn't gladly debate.
	People may think, if I'm an instigator, and by the way, I've never obsessed and flooded their timeline or asked, if you listen to the show, I certainly hope you don't do that and never bully anyone.
	I never want to do that.
	I don't want people to be disrespectful to Sally Cohn or to Christopher Titus.
	I want them to come back on the show.
	We've always maintained good relationships with liberals, even though I'm blatantly against everything they stand for.
	But if I call somebody out and they say, okay, let's have this conversation, I will make that walk.
	I will have that conversation every single time.
	The people who don't The people who get offended, the people who start Twitter campaigns, YouTube, wherever it is, or if they get on AM radio, if they get on Fox News, and they don't provide that person any sort of platform or recourse, that's a coward.
	Because I understand, right?
	I can't answer.
	We get all the time people, I can't debate every Twitter egg who shows up with five followers.
	I get it, right?
	People put a target on your back when you have an audience.
	So that's our rule of thumb.
	Sometimes we've gotten a lot of emails this week.
	Hey, how do you choose who you'll debate?
	Well, the first rule is if it's somebody with a significant platform and they've called me out, okay, let's do it.
	Or if it's someone I've called out ever, I will never do it and then not provide them the opportunity to.
	Hopefully that helps you.
	So just think of that, the online gang, that's what it is, and then when someone is out alone, that's when you see them for who they truly are, whether it's a Clinton or whether it's an online troll.
	And I think that's important because we're having a conversation about bullying right now, and it's important to delineate, for example, someone like a Milo writing a bad review about Ghostbusters and being snippy about Leslie Jones, and somebody else who starts an active campaign to destroy a career like Like people have tried to do with Milo, for example.
	I think some people have tried to do it with me.
	Or people have certainly tried to do it with whether it's Glenn Beck, whether it's Rush Limbaugh, whether it's someone on the left.
	People who do that and then refuse to show up and hide in the shadows.
	Because when we talk about bullying, people go, someone said something mean and you have Twitter trust and safety cancels now and free speech is being infringed.
	It's important that you define what bullying is.
	And so sometimes people say you can be a little bit rough on this show.
	Well, we know what a bully is.
	And bullies don't allow someone to come on the show.
	As a matter of fact, not gay Jared.
	People have said, well, hey, Christopher Titus got so loud and angry.
	Why didn't you have Jared moderate?
	And you know that I've told you this.
	I've turned to Jared and I've said, shut your mouth.
	Don't say a word because it's not fair if they feel like they're two against one.
	You know that.
	Maybe in the future we'll allow you to ask some questions to keep us on track and not do anything else.
	Time limits or something like that?
	Yeah.
	Listen, Jared and I, we work together, but we're friends.
	And I know that Jared and I agree more.
	So Jared knows I've said, Jared, don't say anything.
	It's not fair.
	Don't chime in.
	Certainly don't chime in.
	Just call me a friend?
	No.
	I would never do that.
	Hug me.
	Stop it.
	Why do you go right there?
	You're going to have so many tweets and conspiracy theories about it.
	Again, the same point is with racism right now.
	With the outrage.
	With Larry Wilmore, he was fired because of racism.
	Well, you were fired because of ratings.
	With Usain Bolt and Ellen DeGeneres saying, hey, he's fast and I'd like to ride his back like a knapsack to do gross...
	That's because of racism.
	Well, it's because he's fast.
	You need to define what racism is.
	Rape.
	Well, I didn't really want to consent.
	That's not...
	Let's define it.
	I was drunk.
	That's not rape.
	Racism.
	Define it.
	Rape.
	Define it.
	Bullying.
	Define it.
	When you define it, and that's one thing we try and do on this show, whereas people who are dishonest try to hide from context, we try to shine a light on as much context as possible.
	When you are clear as to the terminology you're using, okay, this is what bullying is, this is what rape is, this is what racism is, then you can have an honest conversation about it.
	When you try and move the goalposts, and that's where we are right now with the media and as a country, no one is able to have a conversation.
	Now we have people who aim loaded guns at cops and we call them victims.
	Now we have women who've felt their sisters hoo-ha like Lana Dunham and we call them victims of rape.
	Well, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
	So let's be clear about what we're discussing and only then can we discuss it.
	Stay tuned for next week.

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