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June 3, 2016 - Louder with Crowder

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#77 MEXICAN RACISM! Debate with Zack Ford, David Limbaugh and Gavin McInnes | Louder With Crowder

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	You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
	Politics.
	Civility?
	How about honesty in this country, folks?
	Entertainment.
	I don't like entertainment!
	And a whole bunch of other stuff.
	It's about having a healthy body image.
	You have a very unhealthy body.
	You should have a horrible body image.
	Not a big home improvement market image, right?
	We are definitely going to get letters.
	You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
	You're a strange animal.
	That's what I know.
	You're getting louder with Crowder.
	June has now been named Louder with Crowder's Official Cultural Appropriation Month.
	Join us each week as we take you through the world, observing and appreciating the great cultures this globe has to offer.
	Up this week is the intoxicating, murderous culture of Mexico!
	glad to be with you You know what that sound means?
	It's a different sound, but it's Cultural Appropriation Month.
	Good time to be alive.
	I have to get rid of this because I can't get my headphones on with this sombrero.
	For those watching the live stream, that sound means the sound of...
	This is impossible.
	This is almost impossible, Mr.
	Cholo.
	Not Gay Jared Brewsing with me in Video Studio, as always.
	It is chaos.
	You can follow him at NotGayJarred.
	I fulfill my legal obligations.
	Draw your own conclusions.
	Chaos in the studio today.
	We'll get to Cultural Appropriation Month on the Twitter.
	Good times.
	In a couple of seconds.
	We often stream this for people listening to Terrestrial Leaks.
	Can you turn down the heat here a little bit on my headphones?
	For those listening to Wrestling on Radio, on YouTube, but we've been temporarily banned from the YouTube because of one specific we found out, angry liberal at Mashable, who didn't like one of our videos and said it was a violation of copyright, got it removed so we can't stream.
	So we're doing this on Facebook right now.
	If you are listening to this or you're anywhere else, I'm winded from those maracas.
	It's tiring.
	That's why they're so small.
	Facebook.com slash Steven Crowder official.
	I know not everyone loves the Facebook.
	We're not huge fans, but we're trying to get it to you free.
	Online.
	And this week, in cultural appropriation, a lot of people don't...
	Well, hold on.
	Guests.
	David Limbaugh is going to be on for a reasonable discussion on Never Trump.
	Is he Never Trump?
	Where do I line up on the hashtag Never Trump movement?
	What is a tenable position?
	And there are a lot of people on both sides with that.
	And Gavin McInnes will be on.
	And we're very happy.
	Zach Ford of ThinkProgress, LGBTQAIP activist.
	Specialist, as it were.
	But he's willing to come on and we'll have a debate not only about the new trans laws, he thinks I'm a trans bigot, we'll talk about that, but he's also against disclosure laws, meaning if you have AIDS, he thinks that it's wrong, it's anti-gay for states to create the laws where you have to disclose to someone that you have HIV or AIDS. So, we'll get into that, but I respect him coming on here.
	Not Gay Jared has a tear tattoo.
	See?
	Does that mean that you've done some weird stuff?
	Stuff I'm not proud of, but I would gladly put it on my face to make sure you know what happened.
	This is true.
	Well, it's been crazy.
	We're streaming.
	We're good.
	Good.
	We finally have it working.
	Just so people are listening live, we will have to end this live stream a little bit in the midway through and then start again.
	So just stay on Facebook or wherever you're watching this, ladderworthcrader.com.
	We appreciate you supporting us.
	And we are happy to be here.
	We will fight this Mashable situation, the YouTube situation.
	For those who wanted an update, we have filed a counterclaim.
	If Mashable wants to say that our 20-minute video that included 10 seconds of their stupid socialist arguments is not fair use, they can meet us at court in Texas.
	And by the way, we might even take them to court regardless because we're not able to stream.
	We're losing income.
	This is how Not Gay Jared is paid.
	And they're just an angry, stupid, fruity little leftist who got mad and said that Gavin McGinnis is saying he doesn't see shot.
	But we are streaming.
	We are streaming.
	I don't know what his problem is.
	He's probably drunk.
	He's going to be in on the show later.
	So, since it's Cultural Appropriation Month, new country, new region every single week.
	That's what you're going to be seeing this week is Mexico.
	So we want to kick this off just to educate you to learn so you can appropriate is to appreciate a culture.
	And we appreciate all different cultures here on Ladder with Crowder.
	So let's give you some Mexico facts.
	Just to appreciate all the splendor and wonder that is Mexico.
	Aztecs, I don't know if you know this, not gay, Jared, sacrificed 1% of their population every single year.
	1%.
	Now, that doesn't sound like a lot, like you're thinking tithe 10%, but when it's human bodies, 1% is still pretty significant.
	Significant.
	Adds up.
	Another one we have.
	34th president of Mexico, little known fact...
	Served for just 45 minutes before he said, screw this, I'm out.
	Because it's a lawless land.
	I don't mean to vilify an entire nation of people, but Mexico's a horrible place.
	There is only one gun shop in Mexico.
	90% of countries' firearms are actually smuggled in from the USA. Oh, okay.
	I did not know that.
	There's a town in Mexico that they use fistfights to summon rain.
	Learning about Mexico this week, people.
	Knowledge is power.
	75% of all sesame seeds grown in Mexico end up in McDonald's burgers.
	This is a wondrous culture.
	This is good stuff to know.
	Mexico City is the most traffic congested city in the world.
	Here's one.
	It is estimated that Mexican drug cartels make $152 million per year on avocados.
	See.
	Been there.
	Maybe they need to hook up with Tom Selleck.
	Hook up with Tom Selleck and see what happens there.
	All right.
	We have a lot to get to this week.
	Hillary Clinton just gave a speech earlier.
	If you're listening to this later in archive, she gave a speech and I will say this.
	I think the woman is pure evil, but it was blistering.
	It was very, very rough, and Donald Trump's comeback was not very good on the Twitter.
	She had people laughing at him.
	Everything that we talked about that might be brought up in general, well, this is what's happening.
	And if you look at the feedback on the speech, don't just go to your conservative websites.
	Go to the general websites on the web that don't have a leaning one way, and the consensus is pretty clear that Hillary Clinton looked really presidential.
	She really did some damage to the Donald Trump brand, and she had people just laughing.
	She just went through him.
	It was rough, so we'll see what happens.
	This is going to show us where we'll be with the election season, the general election season heating up.
	You know, just acknowledging that, people are going to say you're in bed with Hillary.
	I know.
	Just acknowledging it.
	I tell you what, I definitely do not want Hillary Clinton to win.
	No.
	Let me just say that clearly.
	But, just like when Donald Trump beat Ted Cruz...
	It's not good for me.
	It's not good for me.
	Either way.
	It's not good for me and they won't.
	No.
	When Ted Cruz lost the primary...
	Because she is not straight.
	Well, hold on.
	We're going to get to the breaks with that.
	When Ted Cruz lost, we said, hey, good for you, Donald Trump.
	You won it fair and square.
	We've always tried to be consistent, congratulate the other guy.
	It doesn't do anyone any favors to deny reality.
	Hillary Clinton fired some serious shots over the bow.
	And if this is the Hillary Clinton who shows up to play in a general, you've got some problems.
	You've got some serious problems.
	Anyone who says she's going to be an easy candidate to take out, do not delude yourselves.
	This speech...
	You've already said she's the master of the October surprise.
	She is the master of the October surprise, and she pulled one out here in June just to get it started.
	The one thing that she did do that people should monitor is the ridicule.
	People really laughing at Donald Trump.
	She just talked about him being incoherent.
	She talked about, you know, and she brought up very specific stuff.
	The defaulting on the debt.
	All the stuff that was kind of used by other Republicans in the primaries, Hillary Clinton used.
	And man, I tell you, it looks like it's shaping up to be a rough general election season.
	I haven't been able to watch the whole thing.
	I've read the transcript and I've watched the clip, so we won't be playing those yet.
	We are getting word that it is not live streaming here.
	I'll double check on it.
	On the books of the faces.
	And one thing I do want to talk about this week.
	Gorilla happened.
	The gorilla situation.
	One second here.
	Okay, we are.
	So Hillary and Gavin just aren't seeing it.
	They just aren't seeing it.
	But we're able to see people, other people are watching it?
	Yeah, I'm watching it now.
	Yeah, it's good stuff.
	I don't know.
	It's a good show.
	Oh, Courtney is saying we are live streaming.
	So I guess it's just my wife and Gavin who are functionally retarded.
	Very possible.
	Everyone on Twitter is saying it's also not live streaming.
	I'll double check.
	So I don't know what's happening.
	Could just be the card that we have there that's not necessarily working.
	Courtney, if you're listening to this show live, please go and handle that on Twitter and fix links and let people know where they can find us.
	So that'll make it easy.
	This is chaos.
	This is a horrible, horrible evening.
	Thanks, YouTube.
	Thanks, leftists, for making this happen.
	One thing I did find out before I get into the news of this week and the guerrilla, I found this out speaking with my wife this week, just to give you an idea as to how different cultures can be.
	I was raised in Quebec, and I was telling my wife a story about all the porno in the video stores in Quebec.
	Just as a kid, they used to have these swinging Western doors, and I accidentally walked through and was just riddled with pornography, hardcore pornography.
	And my wife said, well, we don't have porno at any blockbusters in the U.S. or any of the legitimate video stores.
	I said, what?
	She said, yeah, it doesn't exist in the United States.
	You have to go to an adult video store.
	I had no idea.
	At the age of six, I had seen it all, and it was accidental, because I walked through the western swinging doors, which led to the porno in Quebec.
	You can find breasts and just complete nudity on billboards in Quebec.
	Hyper-sexualized culture, and it was just one of those things, as a grown man, going on 29 years old, I had no concept of the fact that American children are not just raised being bombarded with pornography at Blockbuster.
	That doesn't happen.
	Did you know this?
	I knew this.
	Yeah.
	It must be a special thing when you wake up one day and realize how you thought it was your whole life.
	It's not how it be.
	That's not how it is.
	Hey, speaking of how it be, Dan Rather this week wrote a...
	We'll talk about this.
	Dan Rather went after Trump and said that he got a chill down his spine when Donald Trump went after the press.
	We'll get more into that press attack after the break because that's a whole issue in and of itself.
	But Dan said this is...
	Basically, we talked about how it was a really dangerous precedent and he couldn't believe that a presidential candidate was going after the press.
	Listen.
	We were just fair where we said Hillary Clinton fired some shots at Donald Trump.
	I'm not the number one Donald Trump fan out there, and we'll get guff from both sides for me saying that.
	From Donald Trump, people saying, why aren't you his number one fan?
	To never Trump, people saying, why are you not saying you hate him?
	But...
	Donald Trump's attacks on the press, Mr.
	Rather, are because of people like you.
	You were involved in forgeries, left under shame, a cloud of shame.
	You were the single most dishonest reporter, absolutely in the tank for Democrats.
	Your entire career, you just happened to get discovered.
	And Katie Couric this week, editing the gun situation.
	We talked about it last week.
	It's only gotten worse.
	Listen, you may not like Donald Trump.
	His attacks on the press may be because he has thin skin.
	I do think he has thin skin.
	But that doesn't delegitimize his grievances with the press.
	Dan Rather, you think it's dangerous for someone to say the press might be dishonest?
	You were involved in the forgeries of documents for a story.
	For those of you who don't know listening, some kids are too young.
	They didn't authenticate some documents.
	We'll bring them up here after the break.
	You can get into the tech details of it.
	And then they found not only were they not authenticated, but they were clearly forgeries coming from members of the press themselves.
	And Dan Rather left under a cloud of shame.
	And now he's saying this is unbelievable that a candidate might take the press to task.
	It's because of you, Dan Rather.
	Tweak me at S. Crowder.
	Am I taking crazy pills?
	Whether you're Trump or you're not Trump, the last people who should be speaking about, I can't believe they're attacking the media, is Dan Rather or Katie Couric.
	My God, we're in Bizarro World, Ladder with Crowder.
	Stay tuned.
	I don't understand where it all went so wrong.
	How could people not believe Hopper?
	All I wanted was to give everybody a fair chance and all the cheeses.
	How can they buy the lies of a big squirrel?
	Don't they understand?
	The big squirrel will just throw them by the wayside once they get what they want.
	As they always do.
	I know I can't even protect them.
	Why does Pacey not realize his life decisions are so poor and will lead to only turmoil and pain?
	Why am I still watching this?
	I am such a failure.
	I am such a failure.
	Kaboom!
	AR-15.com!
	Kaboom!
	You know, they just heard the three takes.
	You did three takes.
	You didn't edit it.
	They can hear you.
	Kaboom.
	Glad to be back.
	Glad to be back.
	Courtney stops texting me.
	My wonderful writer Courtney is texting me.
	If people want to know what it takes to get to the boiling point, I am at a very slow burn right now.
	Do not mistake my facade of being jovial for anything other than me possibly reaching out and strangling Not Gay Jared through no fault of his own and shooting through the walls.
	If I didn't have hollow points in all the firearms within arm's reach, they won't go through walls.
	I would load them up with full metal jackets.
	That's how frustrating tonight is.
	This week has been.
	This entire week.
	But we have great things, big things.
	We're reinforcing louderwithcrowder.com for people watching, listening, so that all of this stuff will never be lost and we will get the democratic socialism video back up.
	It was well on its way to a million plays.
	Hey!
	Hey, Jared.
	Yes.
	Let's talk about something.
	Let's talk.
	I saw today...
	This is a true story.
	Then I want to talk about the gorilla situation.
	I saw today a man, and my wife can corroborate this, who, I don't mean kind of, I walked out of Subway, and this man should have been in a tree making cookies.
	He looked so much like an elf.
	I had never seen anything like it.
	Here's the thing.
	It was almost like he was trying.
	I want to find this man in the future and bring him on the program.
	He was small, but he wasn't a midget.
	He wasn't a little person.
	He was little, but he wasn't a little person.
	That's the term you're supposed to use.
	Kind of like the Keebler cookie guy or whatever?
	That's exactly what he looked like.
	He was short, but he was blonde.
	He had a little beard.
	He couldn't have been more than 5'1", but he had normal proportions, a little thin, but with big hands.
	Yeah.
	He had an Abe Lincoln beard, and he was wearing these kind of bowling-looking shoes.
	This man looked like an elf.
	And here's the thing.
	When I see someone like that, like when you see someone or you go, that person looks like, I don't know, a rhinoceros, or you see someone who looks exactly like an animal, but they're not helping themselves, I don't know why this person doesn't have any friends who go, listen, okay, you look like an elf.
	Here's a checklist of things not to do.
	Green.
	Green.
	Off limits.
	High-waisted belts.
	Pointy shoes.
	The Abe Lincoln beard without the mustache.
	That's an elf thing.
	You can't do it.
	You can't pull it off.
	Complete control over that, too.
	There's no reason for it.
	I have never seen anything like it in my life.
	Speaking of that, so this gorilla situation happened this week at the Cincinnati Zoo.
	Now, I've been to the Cincinnati Zoo.
	Actually, one of my first dates when I got engaged to my wife was the Cincinnati Zoo.
	It's one of the few redeeming qualities of Cincinnati.
	We don't have any affiliates in Cincinnati.
	It's okay.
	And they have a great zoo.
	And here's what, for those of you who don't know, obviously people know, a child climbed into the gorilla exhibit, gorilla grabbed him, wasn't particularly aggressive, but it's still a gorilla, for crying out loud.
	It wasn't gentle either.
	No, it wasn't gentle.
	Gorillas aren't gentle.
	Kind of like gentle for a gorilla, but that's still pretty dang rough.
	Getting into Bam Bam Flintstone territory.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so they shot the gorilla, they killed it, the Cincinnati Zoo.
	Outrage.
	People could not believe this.
	They were in an uproar about the gorilla.
	People asked me.
	I wrote a piece about it.
	It was very popular this week.
	A lot of people were mad.
	I don't really care.
	This is one of those things.
	It's one of those issues.
	I felt the same about Cease of the Line.
	Yeah, life lost if you can avoid it.
	But I would kill a thousand gorillas.
	A thousand gorillas to save one human child.
	And I wouldn't even be late to dinner.
	I wouldn't even skip a beat.
	Okay.
	And the idea that you get these tweets.
	You can tweet me at this crowd.
	You can still keep sending them.
	They're hilarious.
	We'll read them online.
	People tweeting, well, how can you say that about the gorilla?
	That's heartless.
	I value all life.
	However, if at any point it comes down to a human versus an animal, I will side with the...
	Are you saying that humans are more valuable?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Stop texting me, Courtney.
	I love you, but I need to get my head straight.
	And we're going to have a pre-tape here.
	We're going to have a pre-tape commercial here coming up next, which is great, because then I'll give me a couple seconds to get ready, change outfits, and be professional for David Limbaugh.
	We'll have a reasonable discussion regarding Donald Trump.
	It's hard to have a reasonable discussion regarding this gorilla.
	This was all over the place, and I think it's because it was a slow news week.
	This and the Katie Couric gun situation were kind of the biggest stories.
	But we have reached a point, and Joe Rogan talks about this, playing for team people.
	Where people are so much more outraged over a gorilla being shot.
	By the way, I was never told the kid was black.
	Black family.
	Yeah.
	So there were a bunch of people on Twitter trying to make it a racial situation.
	You know, oh, no, it was a black family.
	And then, of course, you have people on the other side saying, well, why aren't they watching the kids?
	Listen, I think the parents should be more responsible.
	Yes.
	But you lose a kid for just a second and they can go in and there were no barriers.
	Everyone's looking for someone to blame.
	They're mad at the zoo.
	You don't think that people at the zoo...
	Listen, I have friends who've worked at the zoo.
	They don't want to kill a gorilla.
	And my issue with this, when this story blows up, is everyone is immediately looking for someone to vilify.
	The people who shot the gorilla, the mother for not being responsible, the kid for not knowing that he shouldn't have gone.
	You've seen so many accusations being thrown around.
	Everyone is constantly looking.
	To shoulder the blame to someone else.
	And even when it's a gorilla, listen, the gorilla was shot.
	That's sad.
	People were telling me, why don't you, and we're going to get into politics, so I just want to get this cultural stuff off my chest because this is the stuff that keeps me up at night.
	Why didn't they shoot the gorilla with a tranquilizer gun?
	Let me tell you why.
	Because it's not gorillas in the mist.
	I know you watched it at your coffee shop on your laptop a few times.
	You shoot a gorilla with a tranquilizer in real life.
	Guess what?
	That gorilla still has some time on his hands, and they're usually pretty pissed off because you've just put an 8-gauge needle in their chest, and they've got your child in one hand, and nothing but time in the other, and they're pissed off and don't know what to do with it.
	So please stop saying stupid things.
	Such stupid things.
	It's kind of, you know what that's like?
	This is a perfect example of people who are entirely uneducated.
	Here's the deal.
	I'm not educated on the ways of gorillas.
	I know a little bit.
	I've read some books.
	I saw Congo.
	It was a crappy film.
	I saw The Jungle Book with Louie and Christopher Walken.
	I'm a fan of the giant flat-faced orangutan.
	I know that I don't know a ton about gorillas.
	So guess what I don't do?
	Tell people how to do their job.
	And you'll see this here when we bring on Zach Ford, who's a leftist, think progress, LGBTQAIP. We have people on here who debate.
	Anyone who goes to the college shows.
	I always try and say, okay, okay, let's give you as much ground as possible and me as little as possible to see if we can get to a point here.
	That's what happened with the gorilla.
	I'm saying, alright, I believe that they probably know more than me, so they did what they had to do.
	It's kind of like when people say, well, why didn't you just shoot the intruder in the leg?
	You're a stupid person.
	Oh, gosh.
	Worst thing you do.
	You're a very unintelligent person.
	This is someone who's clearly never taken a basic firearm safety course.
	But they are going to put it on themselves to educate everyone regarding their opinion.
	I am not saying that I would know what to do.
	If that happened and that baby was in the gorilla pit, I probably would have just...
	I probably would have...
	All the gorillas would be gone, and I would be liable, and rightfully, I wouldn't know what to do.
	Don't you think a zoo would have maybe thought about these scenarios before they happened?
	I knew it!
	A tranquilizer dart!
	Why didn't I think of that?
	I almost killed that kid!
	I had no idea!
	Thank you, Mr.
	Gamer84 on Twitter.
	We should get you here working at the zoo!
	What do you think?
	Just allow that maybe someone else may understand a little more than you before you get outraged and go off half-cocked.
	Whether it's politics, whether it's guerrillas, whether it's cultural appropriation in my creepy mustache.
	David Limbaugh, coming up after this break, we'll be talking about Never Trump.
	Reasonable stuff.
	Stay tuned.
	And now for a message from Paco, the friendly homophobes.
	That's me.
	Mr.
	Jimenez!
	Mr.
	Jimenez!
	Paco!
	Hi.
	Yeah, can you make sure that you and your guys get the bushes this time?
	Because last time...
	You missed them, and I really need to trim the hedges.
	See, I trimmed the bushes.
	I'm sorry for the mistake last time.
	That's fine.
	Would you or your crew like some Long Island iced teas or Pepperidge Farm cookies?
	No, it's okay.
	Nothing I can get you.
	No, not for me.
	And even though it's because you're a very nice man.
	And when I say this, I mean no offense.
	Because you pay me very well and treat me very much like a professional.
	But I am not comfortable drinking from your glass or eating from your cooking jar because you are not straight.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Glad to be back.
	Glad to have this next guest.
	First time on the program, though we've been on plenty of other programs together.
	New York Times bestselling author.
	You know him.
	You've seen him on all the TV shows.
	You've probably read his books.
	You can follow him on Twitter at David Limbaugh.
	Mr.
	Limbaugh, thank you for being with us, sir.
	Hey, Stephen, how are you?
	Thanks for having me.
	I'm doing well, and you have a nice setup there.
	You've got to be proud of that.
	I know.
	It makes him look so smart.
	I need it behind me.
	You need books behind me.
	I need books behind me.
	That would help.
	That would fix it all.
	You know what?
	The great books, too.
	How pretentious is this?
	The great books of the Western world.
	They're strategically placed there, as if I read them.
	I was like, can we actually reprint the binding on War and Peace so people can read it?
	I'll just green screen some books behind me.
	Is that part of that set?
	I don't know.
	It's the book that I would put on there to impress people.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	But when I actually used to do hits in Michigan, they would have a green screen and they'd put up a bookcase behind me.
	And I would say, no, no, do the skyline because I'm not a book guy.
	They're like, really?
	It makes you look smarter.
	I'm like, I don't want expectations.
	You don't want to be smart.
	Yeah, yeah, there you go.
	David Limbaugh, you've written for a long time.
	I wanted to have you on because you and I have talked about this on Twitter.
	The Trump situation.
	I definitely think you're one of the few people out there who has remained consistent, and we've tried to do that with this show, where you're clearly not a fan, you've been critical, but you haven't just tossed your lot in with a hashtag or, I guess, sort of a knee-jerk movement.
	What What's your stance there?
	What do you think a conservative right now, in this situation, we're here now, how are they consistent?
	What's the right position?
	Well, it's pretty hard to be consistent when you're ambivalent.
	And I'm a decisive person ordinarily, but I am so ambivalent about this.
	To the point where if I read a cogent column saying never Trump, advocating never Trump, I go, yeah, yeah, that's right.
	Hate the SOB. Then the next guy writes something that We can never, if we vote against Trump or we don't vote, then Hillary.
	We got Hillary.
	She's the worst in the history of the universe, which is true.
	And I go, yeah, no way I can ever.
	And then Trump gets on and I watch him act the way he acts, say something that isn't true.
	How's that for a euphemism?
	I just go, no, no, I cannot vote for this guy.
	But back to taking you back.
	I started off, when this whole Trump thing started off, I was amused and appreciative of his assault on PC and the establishment.
	Like most people, I didn't expect him to go very far.
	And there was no way I was going to ultimately support him.
	But I defended him because I thought that...
	points that were necessary to bring up.
	And I think you would agree.
	The establishment deserves a lot of what it's got.
	In fact, I wrote a column in the establishment, Birth Trump.
	He wouldn't be possible if it weren't for this.
	I think it's important to define establishment because I have heard some people out there in media just set it up as though at all points, it's Trump versus establishment.
	I go, hold on, there are a lot of people who don't vote for Trump who are in establishment.
	Yes, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Eric Cantor.
	Sure.
	I wouldn't put Ted Cruz in that camp.
	Absolutely not.
	And that's been one of the most frustrating things to me.
	We have all this angst against the establishment, the power brokers in the Republican Party and the donors and the lobbyists, who have not sufficiently resisted Obama.
	That's what makes them objectionable.
	Sure.
	To whatever extent they're corrupt, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but whatever extent money is involved in that, they are objectionable.
	And so Obama's the principal enemy.
	The left is the principal enemy.
	They've started all this.
	They've caused the terrible economy and all that.
	They've caused the acceleration of statism.
	And so it's the left that's done it, but people are furious at the right for not blowing it back and for Bush contributing to the spending and all that stuff.
	And so it is great that Trump finally brought those issues to the front.
	But I am frustrated.
	He has come along.
	There was a perfect storm for some constitutional conservative to come along and finally articulate conservative principles unapologetically, and I believe when you do that, those principles can be contagious, and you can take that to victory without deluding your message and without pandering to the center and becoming Right.
	And I think with Donald Trump, all the things that you just said and the things that I do like about him, he could just as easily maintain all those.
	I don't think he's a racist.
	I don't think he's a sexist.
	I don't think building a wall is racist.
	None of those attacks bother me.
	No, no.
	But I think he could maintain all those things that you talked about and liked.
	And then I could be on board if I thought he were a constitutionalist.
	And the public would buy it just as much because they'd accept a constitutionalist destroying PC as much as a populist.
	Yeah, but Trump comes along and hijacks this whole movement.
	It was a perfect storm for somebody like Ted Cruz, and we could talk about what went wrong in there.
	It was a perfect storm for a Reagan-esque constitutional conservative.
	Instead, we have a guy that comes along and literally steals and co-ops this legitimate angst against the establishment and the left.
	And yet he is as guilty as some of the establishment people in supporting and enabling the establishment.
	And he's also leftist ideologically in terms of his instincts.
	In terms of many of his instincts, he's leftist.
	So what a paradox.
	We got a guy that's carrying the torch against the establishment who has enabled it.
	This is, by the way, not Ted Cruz talking points.
	This is just the reality.
	And I don't believe Trump is...
	I'm not conservative at all.
	So I'm very nervous about that.
	Okay.
	First, the establishment, getting to your point in a circuitous way, I hate the fact that the Trump people lump everyone who is against Trump into the establishment when we are more anti-establishment.
	The Cruz kind of supporters, we're more anti-establishment than he is.
	So if they could just be intellectually honest, it'd go a long way toward We're softening our opposition to it.
	Because one of the problems I have with Trump is some of his rabid supporters.
	And I know this is going to offend people.
	They think they can just insult you all over the place, and it's okay, and you're supposed to say, we don't need you.
	We hate the Constitution.
	Get out of the way.
	Okay, well, no, I'm not going to do that.
	But by no means are all of Trump's supporters that way.
	And in fact, I think a lot of that is what we see on Twitter, the most offensive and obnoxious people.
	But where, now to answer the question in real time, instead of the one you asked me a few times before.
	I don't think that, I mean, say I'm ambivalent.
	I just abhor the thought of voting for Trump for so many reasons, but I'm not one of these people who can say to myself and convince myself, deceive myself into believing that not voting doesn't help Hillary.
	It does help her.
	So I have a moral obligation to vote for the person who will do the least long-term damage or the least damage however I measure it.
	And we've all got different yardsticks.
	And here's what bothers me.
	I don't want to condemn the never-Trump people, but I want them to get off their high horse as to those of us, even including Marco Rubio, who say, I'm not prepared to be never-Trump because...
	The way I quantify this, or the way I evaluate it is, the calculus is, Trump could be so terrible for, as the The person who represents Republican, conservatism, constitutionalism, he's doing it from our side.
	You know the Hamilton thing, where Hamilton said, we don't want to get somebody in there who's on our side and we can't even effectively oppose, and who carries the banner for Republicanism and totally sorts it.
	And let me put it this way.
	If the country were not on the precipice, if it were not possible for Hillary to complete the But you think we're so close to that ledge.
	Yeah, and I think that's convincing, especially when you're looking at the Supreme Court, and I understand where you're coming from.
	I want to say one thing, too.
	You mentioned yardstick.
	And I said this on this show, because we were making fun of Trump before he even ran.
	But I said, listen, if he gets the number of delegates, he gets the number of delegates.
	I have to respect the process.
	And then I said, I'm probably not going to vote for him.
	But, and I've said this, I said, as a Christian conservative, like I said, a yardstick, I have to allow for people to be redeemed or to change.
	And so for me, when I set out, I said, for example, a Supreme Court list, I said, this actually looks relatively good.
	If he sticks here, and from here on out, and he sticks to what he promises, and we see this transformation, that can tilt me.
	But I had to set these guidelines and say, okay, these need to be met, because I need to allow room for someone to adapt, or someone to improve, and And of course, then you've got the Never Trump crowd who's mad.
	Do you think that's reasonable to say, let's put this compass here and see where it goes?
	No, I totally do.
	And I will defend you if you decide to be Never Trump.
	I just want the Never Trump people to understand where I and others are coming from, because we want the same thing.
	And it's not true to say liberals want the same thing as conservatives.
	No, we have totally diametrically different worldviews.
	But I want the same thing as you do, and I want the same thing Never Trumpers do.
	And I don't know if I want the same thing as pro-Trumpers.
	And here's another...
	Certainly a contingency of pro-Trumpers.
	I think probably a big portion, but a big portion, yeah, I think wouldn't necessarily...
	Well, that's exactly right.
	But I think there's another factor in this.
	If you are a constitutional conservative...
	And Hillary runs.
	You can continue to be a consistent constitutional conservative.
	If Trump wins and is president, and he wins carrying our banner, isn't it much harder for us to demand constitutional conservatism?
	Because nobody in the two people running were advocating constitutional conservatism, at least not authentically.
	And so here's what bothers me.
	Why can't the Trump people be a little, and whoever they are, I don't know what percentage, no offense, you Trump people.
	In fact, if you're not this way, it solves itself, so you're not that way, so it's no offense.
	No harm, no foul.
	But if you are this way, listen up.
	Do not underestimate that we have the angst, too.
	We got to this dance before you did, most of us.
	We're the ones who've been fighting this thing since Ronald Reagan.
	I've been fighting it since Goldwater.
	Not that I've been effective or been a big player.
	No, sure you have.
	Don't say yourself.
	But I think that's a good point.
	You know, people, everyone's angry to some degree.
	Everyone is upset.
	And that's why, you know, the establishment, like you talked about, I think Donald Trump brought that to light a little bit.
	But I think that happened in 2010.
	And you saw that with a Tea Party takeover.
	Heck, you saw with people like Rubio and Cruz, and they kicked out a lot of the establishment.
	And I just think it's a cycle where then a lot of those people become establishment.
	And in two or three years, Trump, if he wins, could be seen as establishment.
	That just seems the natural order of things.
	Yeah, yes.
	But you're ahead of me.
	You're way ahead of me in terms of anticipating.
	I'm just...
	I'm thinking that...
	The Trump people, who I've argued with on Twitter, say, you guys...
	They don't just say Trump is conservative.
	In one breath they'll say he's conservative.
	In the next breath they'll say, we hate conservatism.
	You guys have failed us.
	And so they conflate, and I hate that term, conservatism with establishment, with Republican establishment.
	That's not fair.
	We have opposed them.
	So they can't taint the entire...
	That's like the liberals saying capitalism is bad because people rob people.
	And...
	No.
	Capitalism is the best system.
	The constitutional governance is the best system of limited government and governance.
	And they can't taint and discredit the movement we've fought for all our lives because people haven't adhered to it.
	And it's not impossible to adhere to, as they say.
	And they want to throw it out.
	And they want to do it without any...
	Remorse.
	And I can't subscribe to that.
	Let me just tell you something.
	This is how I feel totally passionate about this.
	My kids are all young, despite my elderly age.
	And I have wanted to impart to them conservative politics and the Christian worldview and limited government and the rest.
	And I've tried to do that and hope they've got some of it by osmosis and some of it by ignoring my behavior, which is inconsistent with what I preach.
	And I was watching the Hillsdale, one of the Hillsdale online lectures, thinking, you know, I've always heard about these things, and these guys teach what is virtuous, what is right.
	We've got 30 seconds.
	I want to bring you after the break, so I don't know if you can wrap up in like 10 seconds.
	I want to tell you why that movie and video of Hillsdale inspired me.
	Okay, so we'll do that.
	We'll talk about that then after the break, so we'll hold that thought.
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	The floor is yours, sir.
	You were talking about Hillsdale and what inspired you.
	So I'm watching this course on Western civilization, and Larry Arndt, the president of the university, gives the introductory lecture.
	And in that introductory lecture, because it was the first online course they put out, he explains what Hillsdale tries to do.
	And he articulates the conservative worldview and how important the Constitution is, how important Western civilization is in our culture, and how we should aspire to what is good and virtuous.
	How we should study the things that make us good.
	How we should study Plato, Aristotle, Jerusalem, Athens, and our entire Western civilization and our background.
	And to aspire to what is good and great and virtuous in our lives.
	And I thought, how sad.
	This is what I've fought for all my life.
	I want to instill these principles in my kids.
	Now, in the era of Trump, do we have to forfeit and sacrifice?
	Do we have to give up our aspirations to what is good and right?
	Do we have to abandon constitutional conservatism as a goal?
	And I say, no, we can't.
	I realize we're not going to get that with Trump, but can we reach a compromise with Trump's people?
	Can we at least say, okay, you guys...
	We're going to support you, but can you give us something back?
	Can you allow for us nerds who still believe that going back, reverting to constitutional principles is the only way we can assure and preserve liberty?
	I think you're in a minority here because...
	So you're extending an olive branch, and I hate to say it, but without naming names, you do have some elitists at conservative publications talking about third-party runs now who, listen, they continue to look down their nose and say, we're not getting involved.
	We're not even going to listen to the Trump people, and there aren't many people like you saying, all right, is there some kind of concession for people like me if we're willing to make it for people like you?
	I think people like you and I are an incredible minority.
	You have conservative professional writers, pundits, elitists on whether it's cable news or working in a magazine, and then you have the Trump people who are upset, populism, and then there are very few people like you saying, is there room for all of it?
	And I think that if you look at it, it's the civil war on the Republican side, and that's why we lose.
	It's why, unfortunately, if you look at it, there's an argument that we deserve to lose, and you don't see it with the Democrats, but I do think there's a silver lining here because you talk about that.
	The silver lining, there are some real winning issues culturally.
	You were talking with your kids.
	There has been a noticeable shift on free speech, on Islamic terrorism, on fundamental Second Amendment rights, and on this sort of breaking down of gender norms.
	Yeah.
	Stuff that I, because I'm younger, I've always been on YouTube out in these outlets, that I could have never said three, four years ago, there's been a rejection, and people are sort of, even if it's a roundabout way, coming back to some traditional values, going, you know what, maybe men and women are different.
	You know what, maybe I should have the right to own a gun.
	You know what, maybe the First Amendment is important.
	Do you see that?
	Yes, absolutely.
	But isn't it ironic that those very things are coming to the fore and we have a chance to prevail on these issues, and Trump doesn't even really agree with us.
	He gave a point about the expanding libel laws.
	We've already got an ability to sue for libel.
	Even public figures do with actual malice.
	We already, on the free speech thing and the gender issue, I mean, I just worry that Trump doesn't really agree with us, but the situation is right for it.
	But on your idea about National Review and the rumor that David French is writing.
	I didn't name names.
	No, but I'm naming them because it doesn't matter.
	It's out there.
	And I love David French.
	I love David French.
	And I'm not against National Review.
	And I'm not even against what they're doing.
	They think what they're doing is right, and I applaud that.
	But I think that you and I might come to a different conclusion about the realism of doing that and about how the country will be hurt if we don't ultimately oppose Hillary affirmatively with a vote for Trump.
	We may be enabling the further destruction, the ultimate destruction of the United States in the next four years.
	I don't know.
	I don't have a crystal ball.
	But that's the calculus.
	If I vote for Trump, it will be the most grudging thing I think I've ever done in my political life.
	So I share all those views of these guys.
	Just ultimately, what's worse for the country, given that we have the same goals or the same fears?
	Well, culturally, I wanted to get back because you're talking about your kids.
	I think that there's a real window there.
	And respectfully, I tried to express this when we had Senator Cruz on and Carly Feary.
	We had Governor Mike Huckabee on saying, listen, if I'm your campaign advisor, these are the winning issues right now.
	You don't have to abandon anything else.
	But these are winning issues, and none of them really focused on it.
	And I'm not talking about just my show, but we talked about this, you know.
	They should have been running, Republicans, you need to understand this, they should have been running their campaigns like contenders, not like champions.
	They should have been going on alternative media.
	They should have been doing the podcast circuit that does way, way more numbers than traditional news or radio now, and Republicans abandon it.
	So I don't blame people my age and younger.
	By the way, these same people you're talking about have looked down their noses at me for a long time.
	I don't blame these kids for being mad, because they feel ignored and Every other candidate kind of did ignore them.
	It was a major screw-up, and that does bother me.
	Okay, well, can you articulate what you're talking about?
	What are our cultural inroads here, politically?
	What do you see?
	Freedom of speech is a huge one.
	In what respect, though?
	Let's talk about in media and on campus.
	So students now, especially if kids going into college, it's kind of like the 60s.
	Everyone thinks it was a flower hippie.
	It wasn't.
	Show tunes and country was mainstream, and the hippies, everyone hated them back then.
	We're at that point now, where kids are tired of it.
	Most kids don't agree with them.
	They find it disgusting.
	The gender issue.
	Where, you know, we have someone on this program here today who believes that unless you agree with them 100%, and every single doctor treats every single transgender exactly how they want to be treated, that it's transphobic.
	There's been a rejection of that, and with that, people have even gone back More on same-sex marriage and more on traditional gender roles.
	They support them.
	And then guns and Islamic terrorism, just because of the statistical reality.
	People are acknowledging that, and they agree on those fronts.
	But Republicans don't really communicate in a way that is effective with them.
	Well, now, Cruz tried to communicate that, but you're saying that they didn't connect with him in some way, because they didn't go to where they are?
	They didn't go to where they are, yeah, and even...
	Oh, crap, we have to go to a break, Jared.
	It's okay.
	Darn it.
	Do you want to go to a break?
	Well, okay.
	We're going to have to go.
	Well, let's bring you on again soon, David Levitt, because we have a guest lineup.
	But yeah, even when we had them on this show, sometimes I'm going, go for it.
	There's just, I think, like we talked about, it's insular.
	And like you said, there's establishment politics, but there are establishment people who run or work in campaigns with some of these people who we may even support.
	People like you have to be influential in that.
	There has to be some way to bridge this gap.
	If you see that among the youth, you need to communicate that.
	You guys that are your age, you need to help with that.
	Well, we try to, but a lot of the other people aren't listening to me.
	So hopefully there's that shake-up happening, and they're listening to you.
	David Limbaugh, at David Limbaugh.
	Thank you so much, sir.
	We'll have you back on soon, because we need more time to explore this.
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	All right, all right.
	Time to start the Double Secret Patriarchy Meeting.
	On today's item list, how to preserve rape culture.
	Any suggestions?
	Yes, feel cool.
	Yeah, I was thinking, like, what if we just make sure that nobody goes to jail for rape?
	That's brilliant!
	The ladies will never see it coming.
	That's a surefire way to make sure we can still rape carefree anyone else.
	Yes, Perry.
	Well, I was thinking, rather than not sending anybody to actual prison for rape...
	How about we just declare rape to no longer be a crime?
	Truly, your brilliance is astounding.
	We know enough judges here at this double-secret patriarchy meeting who'd be willing to oblige.
	Rape will be legal, that's for sure.
	Anyone else?
	Yes, how about you?
	Miss Jenner, we told you, you're not welcome here anymore.
	Yeah, I know.
	I just come here for the refreshments, mostly, and to...
	Get out of the house, but I still do have my penis.
	You still have your penis, you say?
	Uh-huh, yeah, yeah.
	A lot of people don't know that, but I can go back any time I want.
	Hmm, that's murky territory.
	We'll have to put that to a vote.
	In the meantime, what's your suggestion?
	Yeah, well, I was just saying, how about we let...
	People like me go into the little girls' room.
	I think that'd be pretty good for rape culture.
	Astounding!
	Do we dare a Trojan in a Trojan?
	I wear magnums, actually.
	The principle's the same.
	Oh, there you have it.
	Rape will no longer be a crime, and men with their penises intact will be able to go into the ladies' room.
	Oh, this will be a bright day for all mankind and the preservation of the all-important Western rape culture.
	Meeting adjourned, and keep your refreshments down to a one per attendee maximum.
	Caitlin, I'm looking at you.
	See you next Tuesday.
	See you next Tuesday.
	Glad to be back with you.
	Second hour.
	We have Zach Ford coming up after this.
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	We should.
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	YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter agree to ban hate speech in Europe.
	This actually happened this week.
	Some of the biggest U.S. tech firms have signed to a code of conduct formulated by the European Commission in which they agree to help fight against the spread of hate speech in Europe.
	Online rights groups have reacted with outrage, saying they have no confidence in agreement because they were left with a discussion.
	Anyways.
	Facebook promised to review most reports of illegal hate speech.
	YouTube, Twitter, they've signed on.
	Here's the main takeaway.
	This is a code of conduct formulated by the European Commission.
	Now people go, why do you cover some of these tabloidy stories of people being arrested for silly things or free speech issues?
	Well, let me tell you why.
	Because Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are now signing on to a code of conduct from the European Commission.
	These same people have written a code of conduct that has led to people being arrested for...
	Shirts, t-shirts that were seen as anti-Islamic, for people berating people on Twitter, have been arrested or seen jail time, for pastors speaking out against gay marriage, and even one man, we wrote about this a while back, who was charged with hate speech for playing kung fu fighting in his band.
	This happened in the UK. No, this is true.
	It's playing in the UK. And I remember hearing that story going like, well, gosh, why?
	Kung Fu fighting.
	It's a great tune.
	China Man.
	Oh, the lyric.
	Yeah.
	There were funky China man in funky Chinatown.
	They were jumping around me up.
	There's no guy in college.
	There's a Chinese restaurant, a little takeout kind of place, and he called himself the China Man.
	You call this number.
	No one ever knew where the number went to.
	We don't actually know what restaurant it was coming from.
	We'd call him, call the China Man.
	He would deliver food.
	He would just pack it up.
	Ten minutes later, meet him at a gas station.
	He delivers you food.
	No one knows where he came from.
	This is true.
	Guy got in trouble.
	Someone was walking past, I guess, an indoor-outdoor bar, band playing kung fu fighting.
	In Europe, in the UK, the guy got charged with it.
	I don't know if it ended up sticking.
	I don't remember exactly what happened with it, but this was an actual story.
	So these people who say, well, that's acceptable.
	It's hate speech to sing kung fu fighting.
	The second we hear that little ho-ho-ho coming in, you're going to the slammer.
	We're putting you in the back of a paddy wagon, and you're going to the clink.
	Those are the people who are creating the code of conduct onto which Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are signing on.
	Now, what we've been facing with YouTube, I understand a private business has the right to do whatever they want.
	Here's the thing.
	YouTube is saying that they're trying to respect the rule of law.
	Well, leftists at Mashable, leftists at Facebook and Twitter, don't want to respect the rule of law.
	They inevitably want to silence voices.
	Listen, conservatives, libertarians, anti-authoritarians, alt-right, whatever you are, generally speaking, Want to expose more voices.
	We'll have Zach Ford on.
	Couldn't agree with him less.
	But we'll have him on and let him speak.
	Unless there are lies.
	You have to check those.
	That always happens.
	Leftists want to silence dissent.
	That's the pattern.
	That's what's important.
	An all-female cast of Ghostbusters.
	Hillary Clinton came out this week and praised it.
	Ghostbusters.
	Strong women.
	Now, there was one reviewer who came out and said, I'm not going to see it.
	I think it's insulting.
	And everyone jumped on him.
	This guy is a famous online reviewer called the Angry Video Game Nerd, for those listening terrestrially who don't understand.
	Here's the deal.
	It's not that it's an all-female cast.
	It's not that people hate women.
	What it is is it's taking something that was okay to be a guy's movie, that people grew up with, it's a piece of their childhood, and you're not even delivering an homage.
	You're not even respecting what...
	You're not dancing with the one you brought to the ball.
	And so you're replacing them all with women.
	It's clearly a grab for a gender war, a gender opportunity.
	Look how strong and how funny women can be.
	Listen, most of them in there aren't that funny.
	Sorry, most women aren't funny.
	Some women are incredibly funny.
	Kathleen Madigan is one of them.
	I think Melissa McCarthy is funny.
	I think Lily Tomlin was funny.
	Amy Schumer and Sarah Silverman are not funny.
	Most people agree.
	They don't find them funny.
	If you watch a show, to give you an idea, my wife has been watching the OC because she never saw it growing up.
	And she's a girl.
	You'd think she'd relate to the female characters.
	When she watches it, she goes, can we just get back to the guys?
	This is just painful.
	They can't carry the show.
	Because, and this is a woman's show, the favorite characters were guys because it was a show that was supposed to be mildly funny, entertaining.
	It wasn't quite a comedy.
	And the women are just so concerned with trying to be sexy, with trying to look good on camera.
	Most women aren't willing to look like fools.
	There is nothing more foolish than the film Ghostbusters.
	That's what it was designed to be.
	A silly, funny film.
	Generally speaking, women don't do so well in those roles.
	Now here's the thing.
	If you like that film, great.
	I don't think people are going to like it.
	I don't think it's going to do very well.
	But, if someone says, I really don't like it because I liked the original cast who happened to be Men with Ghostbusters, again, the problem is, people aren't allowing for any variance in an opinion at this point.
	And that's why I'm not Never Trump, and that's why I'm not Trump 2016.
	And we try and take things on an issue-by-issue basis.
	I'm an unabashed conservative.
	But leftists, Hillary Clinton, what's his name, Patton Oswalt, who I love, I just hate that he did this, start attacking anyone who preemptively is disappointed with Ghostbusters as sexist.
	You need to allow some wiggle room here for people to have a different opinion and just maybe they're not racist.
	Maybe they're not sexist.
	Unless they're Muslim, because those things are most likely true.
	Let me get to this.
	Pakistan.
	There was a women's protection bill proposed.
	Well, that sounds good, right?
	Women's protection bill.
	We're doing better.
	Protect the women's.
	We're doing better, Pakistan.
	Only the women's protection bill proposed, I have it up here, letterwithcredit.com, for men to lightly beat their wives.
	Now I know that sounds bad on the outset.
	No.
	But, it did come with some caveats.
	A husband should be allowed...
	This is their own language.
	A husband should be allowed to lightly beat his wife if she defies his commands and refuses to dress up as per his desires.
	Well, I mean, turns down demand of intercourse.
	Well, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do without any religious excuse or does not take a bath after intercourse or menstrual periods.
	It would also...
	The 163-point draft bill...
	Reportedly bans women from appearing on television or print advertising and female nurses from treating male patients.
	It would also allow husbands to forbid their wives from visiting other men except relatives.
	This is being proposed in front of, effectively, imagine if this bill comes before him.
	Imagine if it goes through the House and the Senate and we go through the process for a bill to become a law.
	Oh yeah!
	Oh yeah!
	And it ends up on Obama's desk and he's sitting there going, now what's this?
	Oh, a woman's protection.
	A man can beat his wife if she didn't shower after a menstrual cycle?
	Can you imagine that in the United States?
	We would have riots in the streets.
	But these same feminists on campus, well, we don't want to talk about Islam.
	We don't want to be culturally insensitive.
	We'll culturally appropriate Middle Eastern culture in three weeks, by the way, in Cultural Appropriation Month.
	Tweet your support.
	This is happening right now in Pakistan.
	This is what I've talked about a lot.
	We've talked about it on this program, and this is one area that separates the men from the boys.
	All these people who are anti-authoritarian, you'll have to go out and champion free speech, but once it comes to Islam, they don't utter a word.
	They're terrified because other people don't blow stuff up.
	Inevitably, there are great Muslims in the United States, of course.
	Not all Muslims are terrorists.
	This is important, and I've made this delineation before.
	Not only between Jesus and Muhammad, anywhere Islam gains political power, political foothold of any kind, this is what happens.
	This is why it's important when people say democratic socialism.
	I always find that funny.
	As though democratic change is something.
	Democratic slavery?
	Sound good?
	Democratic genocide.
	Democratic wife-beating.
	Because guess what?
	At some point in history, all those things were either tossed to a vote, or today, if you tossed to a Democratic vote, would pass, depending on where you are.
	Democratic wife-beating?
	You take that vote in any Islamic nation on the world right now, guess what?
	The women are going to deal with some crap.
	They're not getting out of that one unscathed.
	It's Democratic wife-beating!
	We took a vote, of course!
	We took a vote on socialism!
	We took a vote if she does not shower or not dress how I like.
	For example, she sometimes wears the black burqa.
	I prefer the chaco.
	It's a subtle difference.
	It's late.
	But it matters to me.
	It matters to me.
	When does Ashraf's feelings come to the forefront, okay?
	I need support too.
	Hashtag.
	Hashtag never women's rights.
	This is what happens.
	So don't be fooled in thinking that democratic changes anything.
	Because this is what's happening right now.
	And this could possibly go through democratically in Pakistan.
	Women, does that sound good?
	Just because you toss that in front of socialism, which is horrible, which is a violent worldview by nature, you're ultimately taking things from people at gunpoint, does not change the fact that it's a horrible, violent ideology because you voted on it.
	Sorry, but maybe this vote will happen.
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I'm not an expert on the Pakistani political system, legal system.
	I don't know exactly how it works.
	I'm willing to bet.
	Tweet me at S. Crowder if you think I'm being ethnocentric here because I'm most likely am.
	It's probably not a balanced approach as it comes to gender roles.
	Also, I don't think you're seeing a lot of swinging penises in the ladies' room in Pakistan.
	Oh, no.
	Maybe you do, though.
	Which reminds me, we'll talk about this.
	We have one more segment before Zach, right?
	Yep.
	The ACLU leader just resigned over transgender restrooms.
	ACLU! Of all situations.
	So we'll talk about that.
	And what else do we have?
	Oh gosh, we have a bit about Hiroshima.
	And how that was just fantastic.
	Hiroshima!
	I'm a huge fan of that.
	I'm a huge fan that we dropped the A-bomb.
	And I'll defend it after the break.
	Lotta with Crudder.
	Crowder.
	Stay tuned.
	Well, at least I still have my cheeses. . at least I still have my cheeses. . . .
	We interrupt this Dawson's Creek Marathon for a news update regarding the presidential election in 2016.
	It has now surfaced that Sheldon Acorns, the head of Nutraceuticals, is at the center of an underage sexting scandal.
	Lauderwith Crowder's news division has obtained these pictures and has officially corroborated that they are authentic.
	The chipmunk involved declined for comment.
	However, our camera crew caught up with Sheldon Acornson earlier in the day.
	Listen, at this time, I understand that everybody, uh, you want your story, okay?
	And I'm the hot ticket, but, uh, with respect to give me space for me and my family.
	You're a pervert!
	Oh, be that as it me, uh, I have needs.
	Squirrels have needs.
	There aren't, uh, six billion of us by accident.
	It's now being alleged that the scandals you discovered regarding Hopper have been false.
	Is there any truth to that rumor?
	Listen, I don't know whether that's true or not.
	Yet, I don't know if the stories are true or if they're not true.
	And I respect my privacy.
	You're the one who claimed you found the stories.
	That's correct.
	But I cannot confirm if they're true or they're not.
	Are you saying you maybe lied when making those stories?
	Probably.
	Yeah, that's probably safe to say.
	Why talk about a day in politics.
	I don't envy their jobs.
	We'll keep you abreast as the story unfolds.
	Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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	My.
	Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.
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	Glad to be back.
	Some developments for those listening in the podcast with the Field of Hopper situation.
	That's a good turn of events there.
	Dramatic turn.
	Running for president.
	Speaking of president, leaders.
	Okay.
	This lady, leader at the ACLU, resigned.
	She quit.
	I have the report right here.
	after seeing a look of fear on her young daughter's faces.
	I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school-aged daughters into a women's restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults over six feet tall with deep voices entered.
	She wrote, My children were visibly frightened.
	You don't say.
	Concerned about their safety.
	Interesting.
	And left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.
	She continued.
	Dude.
	You're never really prepared to answer.
	In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.
	The hierarchy of rights the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is based on who is funding the organization's lobbying activities.
	She did not elaborate on the group's funding.
	So, this is a certainly very progressive organization, a woman who no doubt is, generally speaking, very progressive, who has decided to take a stand with the ACLU. Because of biology.
	We'll talk about that with Zach Ford coming up after the break.
	Editor over at Think Progress.
	Big LGBTQAAIP activist.
	Silent F. Let's see.
	Let's let the cards fall where they may here.
	I'm about getting to the point where...
	My tolerance has diminished on this one.
	How dare you.
	Namely because not every single person who disagrees with your 100% worldview, it doesn't mean they're a transphobe.
	I don't think this black American woman who has been a liberal her whole life, I don't think she hates trans people.
	I think she probably understands that men are born men and that can't be changed.
	We've had a lot of feedback from last week.
	Dr.
	Boniface talking about this, talking about the trans issue.
	We'll talk about this with Zach Ford.
	We brought up medical facts regarding cross-hormonal replacement therapy and how that affects the brain.
	And if you don't like it, that's fine.
	I understand that there could be some science that could change it.
	I don't think we've seen it yet.
	I've not heard a convincing argument yet, but I leave that room there if someone wants to convince me.
	So hopefully we get that.
	Just saying you're a transphobe, it's not an argument, it's not a convincing argument.
	It's an easy one, though.
	Convenient.
	It is an easy one.
	And I hope that people now, a lot of these people who consider themselves anti-leftists, a lot of these sort of intellectuals who are revolting against the anti-free speech left, just remember when I was out there and you were calling people like me racist and homophobic only a few years ago, and now it's being used against you.
	Know who your allies are.
	One thing, too.
	People were talking about this with Milo and the Ben Shapiro.
	We were talking with David Limbaugh, the Trump, the never-Trump situation.
	Here is something that I think is important for my barometer.
	For example, with Facebook, with YouTube right now.
	We are fighting the left.
	They're looking to eliminate voices of dissent on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.
	That's the reality right now.
	They're looking to eliminate you if you have a different opinion.
	Okay?
	We all agree on that.
	I think that if facing that, you have decided to make it your career pivot, your punditry pivot, or your social media pivot to destroy someone else who's a conservative but doesn't agree with you 100% on one issue, whether it's Trump, whether it's never Trump,
	Whether it's David French, if you've decided that it is your bigger priority to attack somebody else who is still pro-free speech, who is still pro-freedom, who is still pro-America, if you've made it your duty to attack that conservative in place of the left who are trying to drop an atomic bomb on all of you, I don't think you're conservative, and I don't think I have a lot of room for you in our movement.
	That's what I think.
	I think that's pretty reasonable.
	If you've got right now Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and you are using those avenues as opposed to fighting the left to try and destroy someone else who is clearly fighting for the conservative cause, whether you agree with them or not.
	And I acknowledge there are some people who are really big on the Trump side who are doing great stuff, people on the other side who aren't.
	I acknowledge there are people over at Reason, libertarians, who are doing great stuff.
	And there are people who are traditional Christian conservatives who are doing great stuff.
	If you watch this channel, if you watch this show, if you go back all the way to 2006, my YouTube channel, I have never made it my goal to destroy other, not even conservatives, anyone who I think will fight the common enemy of aggressive leftism.
	I've just never done it.
	And so when I see conservatives who not only do it, maybe every now and then, we do try and be consistent and criticize.
	That's fine.
	Disagreements are a beauty of the right.
	That's the beauty of free thinking.
	That's why it's harder to get the right, the conservative, the libertarian wing unified, because we have different opinions.
	Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden.
	Who was the other guy?
	Ah, gosh.
	Maryland.
	Oh, yeah.
	Gun guy.
	Oh, gosh.
	Brain's frozen.
	Irish name.
	You can tweet me.
	I forgot his name.
	And then the other guy who looked like the old bird.
	Oh gosh.
	Gosh, I can't.
	I know we had Webb, who's one of the decent Democrats.
	Anyways, they all agreed lockstep on everything except Bernie Sanders only had a D- from the NRA. That was their big disagreement.
	There's plenty of intellectual diversity on the right, and that's great, and you can have those disagreements, but when I see people...
	O'Malley.
	O'Malley.
	The guy who does curls in a squat rack and wears a tank top in his crappy little band, O'Malley.
	Thank you, O'Malley.
	And Lincoln was the other guy, right?
	Yeah, Shaffee?
	Shaffee?
	Lincoln Shaffee?
	I don't know.
	And we had Webb.
	We had Webb there, who actually was a decent guy.
	He was more like a JFK Democrat.
	I just watch this right now.
	This is why the right loses.
	You are looking down the barrel of a gun that is absolutely unbelievable.
	And if you choose to destroy another conservative who really should be a brother in arms, that gives me pause.
	And I hate seeing it.
	So hopefully we can join together because it's a pretty big one.
	I don't know how much time we have before we have that.
	A minute and a half.
	A minute and a half before Zach Ford comes on.
	Well, we'll have to talk about Hiroshima after that then.
	And then we're going to have...
	Are we going to stop the live stream?
	We're going to stop after the segment.
	Okay, so for people listening terrestrially, for people watching online, we are going to stop this live stream really quick because Facebook only allows for 90 minutes.
	Yep.
	And start it right back up on the Facebook page.
	Facebook.com slash Stephen Crowder official.
	And we'll start again, and then it'll be there for the rest of the show with the debate with Zack Ford, Gavin McInnes, and my wife afterward to talk about a very harrowing tale from this week.
	So we just want to let people know about that, and we'll talk about Hiroshima.
	Courtney wrote a great piece on this on the website about Hiroshima because Barack Obama did his tour, and while he didn't officially apologize, he insinuated that it was an act of evil, that it was an act that should not be repeated.
	I think that if World War II was a real-life scenario today, let's say we were in that situation, and Absolutely.
	Drop the bomb.
	Tweet me at AskCrader what you think.
	Absolutely.
	We saved millions of lives.
	And I think anyone who would maintain the position that we should have gone in and have a ground war or rolled over and died is simply uneducated of the matter.
	I don't think necessarily bad people.
	I think a lot of people aren't educated as to why Hiroshima was absolutely necessary.
	And thank God that it happened.
	You should thank the Lord above.
	If you're an atheist, I don't know.
	Thank yourself.
	You're narcissistic.
	That's the way you people are.
	We're going to get letters.
	Letter with Crowder, Zach Ford after this.
	Stay tuned for debate.
	Oh, I'm permanently I'm permanently blinded by the soap's chemicals.
	I'll never see again.
	I should have gone organic.
	It's a good thing you can subscribe to the audio version on iTunes or SoundCloud.
	Oh my, that's convenient, but tell them about the website as well!
	What's the address?
	Lotterwithcrowder.com.
	Even if you're blind, I don't know how Braille works on a monitor.
	New bump.
	Glad to have it.
	New bump.
	Good bump.
	Good bump.
	Good old pogo.
	Good bump for a new bump for a new guest.
	So we're glad to have him on.
	He disagrees with me on a whole lot of things.
	He's been going back and forth with me on the Twitter.
	He writes at ThinkProgress.
	You can follow him on Twitter at Zach.
	That's Z-A-C-K. C-K. Now with an H. Because there's a guy with an H. Zach Ford.
	Zach, are you with us, sir?
	I am, and you know, I've been a Pogo fan for a long time, so I love that you guys use this music.
	Oh, really?
	I didn't know that.
	I find a lot more Pogo fans.
	Now, what does that fall under?
	Electronica?
	You know, just taking movies and pulling, I don't know, like its own creation.
	So I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, there we go.
	We found some common ground.
	So we can do that before we step into the war zone.
	I appreciate you coming on.
	I know we don't agree on a whole lot.
	But, you know, we actually have people who are gay, transgender, who agree with me more on politics, who aren't willing to come on the show.
	So we always respect anyone who's willing to come in here and bang, so to speak, stand in the pocket.
	Zach, you have been upset on the Twitter with me before for, I mean, transphobic, being anti-trans, anti-gay.
	Tell me what it is that you see as a problem in what I say or the floor is yours if you want to tell conservatives how to get this right.
	Sure.
	Well, you know, there's a lot of misinformation out there, and we can kind of get into some of those specifics.
	But the bottom line is that trans students need help.
	Trans people need help.
	They are one of the most targeted groups for discrimination.
	They experience really high rates of unemployment and homelessness and poverty as a result of that discrimination.
	They denied health care because of that discrimination.
	How were they denied health care?
	Sometimes doctors are transphobic and refuse to give them health care, some of them because they don't have jobs.
	What do you mean they refuse to give them antibiotics for a cold?
	They refuse to give them flu shots?
	When you say denied health care, what do you mean?
	It's important we frame that in.
	Well, it can mean a variety of things.
	It can mean that they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, and so they just can't afford health care, so they don't even get to the doctor.
	It could be that they don't have a doctor in their community that respects who they are, so they don't feel comfortable going to that doctor without feeling...
	That's important.
	I want to make sure we get the...
	I want to make sure we get the language right here, because especially, you know, you've accused me of being ignorant on Twitter, and that's okay, and I respect that you can say that, but that's not accurate to say being denied healthcare.
	If they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, or if they don't feel comfortable going to a doctor, they're not being denied healthcare.
	So when you say denied healthcare, that means a doctor proactively denying someone healthcare, all healthcare, solely because they're trans.
	Is that really a common occurrence?
	It definitely happens.
	I mean, if you look at the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey, which is the largest look at what trans people actually experience, there are certainly people who reported experiences like that where they came out to their doctor as trans and either received no treatment or didn't receive the treatment that they needed.
	So in regards to trans, but what if a doctor says, hey, I'll treat you and everything else, but I'm not going to do the hormone replacement therapy.
	This is an issue I'm not going to touch because the science isn't in, and I don't think it's good for you.
	Is that considered denying health care?
	I think it is, because a lot of the care that they need for their transition is medically necessary.
	If they can't achieve mental health wellness because they can't access that aspect of transition...
	There's no evidence to suggest that it is.
	Well, sure there is.
	That's some of the misinformation that we can get into if you want to.
	I've got it right here.
	Let me bring this up because this is important.
	Now, we can get into gray matter and we can talk about how the brain works, but I've got this pretty empirical analysis here.
	It is not surprising that the influence of sex hormones in the brain were not limited to hypothalamus, but they're all expressed.
	Prior to cross-sex hormone treatment, a lot of the studies that I've heard you trot out and people trot out were involved with people After they had gone through the cross-sex hormone treatment.
	When you eliminate that variable, you see that a male to female transgender, the brain size, is exactly in line with other males.
	And it only changes once you go through cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy.
	Now, there's a big controversy right now in the medical community just regarding testosterone replacement therapy or growth hormone for injuries.
	Some people think that's a problem.
	Going into estrogen, putting it directly into a male, which every study we have would show bad results, cancerous results, is it not within the bounds of reason for a doctor or an establishment, like Johns Hopkins, who, maybe they're not ignorant, maybe some of them are progressive liberals, and they just say, these are not great results, we've studied it, we don't want to do this right now, we need to wait until the science is in.
	Is that a possibility?
	I mean, I'm not familiar with the studies that you've talked about.
	I'm familiar with studies that show that there are no consequences for trans people that use cross-hormone therapy, and I'm familiar with many studies that show that there are great benefits to their health and well-being.
	I've got it right here.
	Transsexuals had brain volumes in agreement with their sex at birth.
	The intracranial volume and the hypothalamus volume of males were larger than females, irresponsive of condition of transsexualism.
	This supports the notion that the brain volume changes in transsexuals are related to cross-sex hormone treatment and do not reflect preexistent differences in brain volume between transsexuals and comparisons.
	Isn't it possible for a doctor to take this?
	This comes from medical journals to say, well, we know the changes occur after the sex hormone replacement therapy, and we know that that can be bad, so let's hold off.
	Or is that doctor ignorant?
	Because I want to make sure we frame in the language, because there are a lot of doctors out there who would probably agree with you, except for when it comes to the medicine.
	That's not the mainstream understanding whatsoever.
	You have one study that has one particular fact.
	No, it's not what the American Medical Association says.
	It's not what the American Psychiatric Association says.
	You have one doctor, Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins, who has many anti-LGBT biases.
	You talked about doctors.
	Now you've gone from what's mainstream.
	You've said, I've not seen those.
	So we've provided you with empirical data studies.
	You've said, well, I've not seen that.
	And then you go to, some doctors say this.
	And we could both agree, right, there's a political motivation behind a ton of what happens in the medical industry.
	I'm sure we're on board with that, probably with big pharmaceuticals, probably with medical boards.
	We'd agree on that when it comes to a lot of things.
	So now we've denied the data and the statistics.
	No, I'm not on board with that.
	I'm on board with medical organizations actually using...
	Sorry, I think we had a little connection.
	Yeah, your connection's a little tough, but go ahead.
	I'm only familiar with one doctor who advocates against cross-hormone therapy and transitioning for trans people, and that's Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins.
	And that's where Johns Hopkins gets that reputation.
	So I'm not familiar with the study that you cited.
	I'm not sure I understand what it is you're concluding from that study, except something about how brains change.
	But what I know is that there's a multitude of evidence that shows that...
	Excuse me, I'd like to finish...
	I can't let you get away with that and say, I only know one doctor.
	That's not accurate, Zach.
	There's more than one doctor on planet Earth who thinks that injecting estrogen into a man or abnormal levels of testosterone into a woman could be bad.
	The only point I'm making here is that doesn't mean that this sector of the medical industry or America or the world means they're bigoted...
	Or ignorant?
	You're drawing a conclusion.
	I'm not.
	I'm saying, is it within the bounds of reason that a doctor may not want to treat that because the science isn't in and it doesn't necessarily make them a transphobic bigot?
	It's a simple question.
	There's two pieces to that.
	One is, I'm highly suspicious of any doctor that draws their own conclusions based on things that they can find in certain studies when the rest of the industry has found a different approach that isn't necessary.
	If everyone agrees in the psychiatric community, or at least an overwhelming majority, and everyone agrees in the medical community that the best way to help trans people achieve wellness is to support them in their transitions, then It doesn't matter to me if there's a couple of doctors who disagree.
	This is what happens.
	There isn't a couple of doctors.
	And there is not unanimous agreement.
	That's just not accurate, Zach.
	We can have an honest conversation, but that's not accurate.
	You can't come on and say that and say there might be a couple of doctors.
	It's not accurate.
	It's not honest to say.
	They're not entirely unanimous.
	And even if that were the case, consensus isn't an agreement because they were unanimous that it was a disorder not long ago.
	Why is that not okay?
	Because it's changed?
	That's how science works.
	We learn more and we do what makes the most sense based on the evidence that comes in.
	Of course.
	The reason it's moved is because we've got more evidence that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their well-being.
	You just discounted the evidence that I brought up and said I've not heard of it and I only know of one doctor.
	That's not science.
	But what I'm saying is that that does not represent the consensus.
	Finding an exception to the rule does not disprove the rule.
	If a doctor says...
	I want to get back to the question because you're getting up.
	If a doctor...
	Because you said denied health care.
	And you use this and you call people bigots and you call them ignorant.
	If a doctor who is treating someone and still will treat that person as any other patient but says, I'm not going to do hormone replacement therapy or go down that path, but I will treat you as a patient...
	Are you filing that under denying healthcare?
	I just want to be clear.
	If the standards of healthcare say that supporting trans people in their transition is the best way to support them and they are rejecting those standards, we do have them and those are the standards that they reject, then yeah, I would say that there's a problem that that's denial of treatment.
	Okay.
	I just want to make clear for the audience listening, because when Zach Ford says transgender people are being denied treatment in record numbers, what he is saying is if every single doctor does not give them any kind of transition treatment they want, that should be considered denial of health care.
	In the same token, I can't get a lot of treatments that I want that are electable from my doctor.
	So I just want to make sure people understand that.
	Well, you just threw the word elective out.
	The problem is that it's not elective.
	The problem is that we know from the research that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their mental health wellness.
	And so if they're not, you know, if they're experiencing gender dysphoria, if they're experiencing any sort of depression or suicidal thinking as a result of not being able to correct that dysphoria, then rejecting them the treatment that helps them overcome that is problematic.
	Oh gosh, we use that word problematic.
	Well, the suicide rates don't get much better.
	They do, because you're using the Swedish study that doesn't actually say what everybody says it was.
	I know Dr.
	Boniface used it on your show last week, and if you look at the Swedish study, it did find that there were high rates of suicide among people who had had surgery, but it didn't compare them against other transgender people.
	The researcher of that study has publicly said that to use her research to suggest that suicide rates go up after surgery...
	No, no, I didn't say suicide rates went up.
	I didn't say suicide rates went up.
	I said the suicide rates don't get much better.
	And the suicide rates, if you look at after surgery, is still astronomically much higher than the general populace or gay Americans.
	Right?
	Right.
	But that has nothing to do with surgery.
	That has to do with the discrimination they experience.
	Would it maybe have to do with...
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You said that again.
	You're stating something.
	We've got to stay on task here, Zach.
	When you state a fact, we need to...
	Okay, let's define that.
	You say the discrimination.
	So do you believe that transsexuals, transgender, the term that we're using, I guess, now to be more umbrella...
	Do you believe they face worse discrimination than black American slaves?
	People in the Holocaust?
	What about black people in the 60s who didn't have the right to vote?
	What about gay Americans in the 80s?
	Do you believe that they're treated multiple times worse because their suicide rates are worse than black American slaves?
	It doesn't matter how any of those other groups are treated.
	What matters is that we have a problem.
	It does matter because you said it's a result of discrimination.
	But now when we eliminate, okay, here are other groups who are clearly much more violently discriminated against than transgenders.
	Nowhere near, anywhere else on the map, that kind of a suicide rate, whether it's pre or post-surgery, the only other place you find that would be people with severe psychiatric conditions.
	But the research that we have shows that the people with the highest tendency to attempt suicide are those who have experienced the highest rates of discrimination and the highest rates of family rejection.
	So you can think whatever you want.
	I'm not trying to compare them to any other group.
	I'm simply saying that the research we have shows that it's not surgery that impacts their suicide rate one way or the other.
	It's the experience that they have in society where they can't get jobs, they can't find housing, and of course there's going to be consequences to come with that.
	Okay.
	So the suicide rate isn't impacted by surgery one way or the other.
	I just want to make sure you just said that.
	I'm saying that the— Because we agree on that.
	That it does not make it worse.
	Yeah, it doesn't make it worse, but it doesn't make it better.
	Is that a fair middle ground?
	I don't think that's true either, because I think that the research shows that having surgery and going through transition actually helps improve their wellness.
	That's what the researcher...
	You just said the opposite.
	It doesn't affect it one way or the other.
	Okay, let's go with that.
	Let's assume that it's minute.
	And even after...
	Can we agree on this middle ground?
	Even after surgery, the suicide rate is still astronomically higher than these other groups who have faced discrimination that I just named.
	Yes?
	Is that fair?
	It's certainly higher than the general public.
	No, then other groups have been discriminated against.
	Whether they're gay...
	I don't have data about what the suicide rate was among slaves hundreds of years ago.
	Okay, let's use suicide rates to black Americans in the 60s.
	Okay, well, I just want to make sure we can find...
	I'm trying to find some middle ground there, and you're kind of going back and forth.
	But let's bring you back on and talk about it more.
	I appreciate you coming on here.
	But Zach Ford, stay tuned, and we'll find some agreement here.
	Former Governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura here.
	The bod.
	You know, you've got Mr.
	Trump right now talking about building a wall to keep the Mexicans out of our country, and he tells you when he's feeding it down your ass that it's a national security issue.
	But the bod is here to set you straight and let you know that that's all a distraction from the issues at hand, that the powers that be don't want When
	When it's time to party, we will party hard.
	Glad to be back.
	Glad our guest has stayed with us.
	Zach Ford, ThinkProgress, at Zach Ford.
	Okay, Zach, do we want to stay on that issue?
	Do we want to move on to anything else?
	Because I feel like I was trying to find some leeway there and we weren't going to find it.
	You know, it's your show, so I'll follow your lead, Steve.
	Okay.
	So I just want to make sure there's no way for a doctor.
	In any case, anyone in the medical community, doctor, who sees the issue as anything other than full transition, surgery, hormone replacement therapy, science is in, without being denying care or transphobic, correct?
	Well, I would qualify that only to say that different patients have different needs, but yes, there are standards of care for trans people, and if the doctor doesn't follow them, then they're denying them the care that they deserve.
	This is important, just for people listening, and we'll get this up, it's important for people to note, I'm saying, hey...
	If someone disagrees with, I'm allowing for science to maybe change.
	I don't think we're there yet.
	We've got to tone down that he's in a, it sounds like he's at Hogwarts there in a mess hall.
	It's pretty loud.
	You're saying no.
	Your way is the only way.
	The entire medical community agrees.
	There's only two doctors who don't.
	I just want to make sure.
	One thing I do find, so you are, and we wanted to have Chad Felix Green on, and we wanted to respect your wishes because you and him have gone back and forth on Twitter, and I know you didn't want to.
	Something that I feel like everyone should agree on.
	So no one has given me a convincing argument here, and I'm willing to hear it.
	Maybe you can, because I know you've made this a big part of your platform.
	You're against exposure laws, disclosure laws.
	For those who are listening, if someone has HIV, basic laws that say if you have HIV, AIDS, you need to disclose it to a partner before you have sex, otherwise you should be liable.
	You're against that.
	Let me hear a convincing argument as to why.
	Well, let me ask the question, at least rhetorically, of why having the law is good.
	The laws that we have on the books, criminalizing the transmission of HIV without disclosure, date back to very early in the epidemic when we didn't know as much about it.
	And what we now know is that those laws actually hurt our efforts to stop the epidemic.
	So the question is, do you want to actually minimize how much HIV is spread, or do you want this sort of petty feeling of justice against people who already have HIV and have to struggle with that?
	Interesting you should bring up epidemic or petty struggle.
	Epidemic, give me numbers.
	AIDS at its highest in the United States.
	I mean, it continues to be high.
	I don't have all those numbers at the ready.
	Ballpark.
	I don't have them at the ready.
	I'm not going to guess on numbers.
	Comparable to cancer.
	Comparable to diabetes.
	Epidemic.
	Comparable to bird's deer.
	They're high.
	They're high.
	They're not.
	It's still a problem.
	They're not.
	The epidemic hasn't ended.
	They're not.
	They've never been high.
	How high are they outside of the gay community?
	Let's be honest, according to the CDC. They're high in the gay community.
	Outside of the gay community, what are the chances of contracting?
	What are the numbers outside of the gay community of someone getting AIDS? I just want to say epidemic.
	Epidemic is something that is measurable.
	Or pandemic, if you want to go further, with SARS at the Toronto airport.
	I remember they were throwing that around.
	Canada was the only country to still get SARS. We screwed that one up.
	You say epidemic.
	You need to substantiate that.
	My use of the word epidemic means that it's continually spreading, not that it's representative of any sort of numbers.
	I don't really care who's vulnerable to it and who isn't.
	There are a lot of people still getting it, and that's a problem.
	Okay.
	Well, it's an entirely preventable disease in the United States.
	It sure is.
	Right.
	Particularly with disclosure laws.
	No, those aren't helping at all.
	They don't help at all.
	No.
	What helps is if people get tested and if they test positive, if they get on treatment so that they can reduce their viral load to undetectable levels, that makes it nearly impossible for them to transmit the virus.
	Nearly impossible.
	It's never happened with people having undetectable viral loads transmitting the virus.
	It's virtually impossible.
	Why would you say nearly or virtually if it's impossible?
	Just because science hasn't found an example of it happening, it doesn't mean it can't happen, but the research shows it doesn't happen.
	Well, without disclosure laws, it would be very hard to know what someone's viral load was.
	You and I both know that, right?
	If someone's not disclosing it, you can't possibly know what kind of treatment or where their viral load is or where you're getting the HIV. But the problem, Stephen, is that the disclosure laws actually scare people out of getting tested.
	And so there are a lot of people who don't know their status.
	And one of the reasons is because they're afraid if they know their status and they're positive, then they are opening themselves up to liability.
	So the disclosure laws are actually discouraging people from finding out their status and discouraging people from getting tested and then discouraging people from getting treatment.
	What about the right of the person who's having sex with another man who doesn't want to get HIV or AIDS? I'm still not hearing why it's not that person's right to know for it to be disclosed.
	Again, I just want to hear...
	This and charter schools, school choice, are two issues on which I've never heard a convincing argument.
	So I want to give you one last pass, because that one didn't cut the mustard.
	Well, there's certainly...
	I'm not going to disagree that sharing your status is...
	Proper etiquette.
	But the issue is whether or not it becomes a legal issue.
	And where I stand is, what about the responsibility of the person to ask the question?
	You know, if a person lies about their status when they're asked about it, that's very different than simply not disclosing.
	Because if a person is, you know, using a condom and they're undetectable, like, they're not posing a risk to the other person.
	So why are you imposing a criminal liability on them?
	It's just stigmatizing the person.
	As long as that is not entirely 100% impossible, If there's a chance of you giving a potentially life-threatening virus, disease to somebody, you should disclose it.
	That person has a right to know.
	Well, one, it's not life-threatening anymore.
	You just said it was an epidemic.
	Okay, what are the death rates, then?
	My point is, right, one of the single most funded diseases out there, if you're going to say epidemic, what are the numbers and what are the death rates?
	If you're saying it's really not that common, it's entirely preventable, and it's not deadly, why are we going around screaming that it's an epidemic?
	I'm saying that it's still very commonly spread.
	But it's not, and we know it's not.
	That's why you don't want to bring up the numbers.
	That's why AIDS is always brought up as a percentage and not actual numbers.
	It is minuscule.
	It is incredibly unlikely.
	But what I'm saying is that the transmission rates have not gone down.
	So you can quibble about how many people are affected by it.
	That's fine.
	But the transmission rates have not gone down.
	So the size of the problem has not gone down.
	And yes, we've improved treatment that's helping people do better, but it's not necessarily...
	Changing the fact that we need to get them on treatment so that they don't have the problems that people used to have when we didn't have those treatments.
	So why do you apply personal responsibility to the person who may be infected with HIV to ask, but you don't apply the personal responsibility to simply go get their checkups and get treated?
	Why is one responsible for someone else disclosing and that one person isn't responsible for his own sexual misconduct?
	I think we're all responsible for ourselves and the decisions that we make with our bodies.
	Where I have the problem is where we pass a law that criminalizes people in a way that doesn't actually help.
	No, it doesn't criminalize people because you've written that.
	I have it up on my screen.
	Laws that criminalize HIV, you wrote, in 33 states.
	Just to be clear, HIV is not criminalized in any state.
	It is having sex with someone when you have HIV and not telling them.
	That is the illegal acts.
	So I just want to make sure we define the language, because I think that's the only way we can have these honest conversations.
	Okay, Zach, I appreciate you.
	Zach Ford, ThinkProgress.
	We'll have you back.
	I want to hear an argument on that that still sells me.
	Tweet me at escrowder.
	Stay tuned.
	And now for a message from Paco, the friendly homophobes.
	That's me.
	Okay, thank you, ma'am.
	You can pass on through.
	Alright, next.
	Come on up.
	Hands out.
	Legs open.
	Okay, come through.
	Please hold.
	Alright, sir, do you mind if I pat down your right leg and inner thigh?
	You don't know what you have to do.
	It's your job, I understand.
	Yes, thank you very much.
	So I'm going to pat here...
	But I know that you don't have to do.
	What do you mean, sir?
	I saw the other guy.
	He told you I was okay to clear and go through.
	But you are the one who told me you still have to pat my leg.
	I don't follow.
	You are patting my leg because you want to.
	Not because it is your job.
	And you want to pat my leg.
	Unlike the blonde before me, nice lady, who you let pass through without any pat down.
	Because you are not trying.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Glad to be back with you.
	That was Zach Ford at Zach Ford of ThinkProgress.
	Listen, people are giving him a rough time.
	I appreciate the guy who got in here to accept the invitation and to debate.
	Of course, we're in the third hour here.
	We'll have Gavin McGinnis coming up at the half hour.
	My wife, producing with me in video studio as always, even though it's a nightmare this week, is not gay.
	Jared?
	Thank you so much for being back with us.
	I wanted to follow up on something with Zach Ford.
	I have this up on my screen.
	Here's some of the CDC stats regarding AIDS. We're good to go.
	So, that's the reality and the number of AIDS or AIDS infections that occur in the United States on a yearly basis is in the tens of thousands out of 350 million.
	Or so.
	300-something million.
	I think somewhere between 320, 350 million.
	I think it's about 330 million in the United States.
	Somewhere around there.
	I round it up and I don't want people to fault me for it.
	You think that's an epidemic?
	I don't know.
	I guess we're redefining epidemic.
	Tweet me at S. Crowder.
	You let me know what you think.
	But certainly nowhere comparable to diabetes or heart disease or cancer.
	But gets far more funding.
	Does it mean that I don't feel empathetic for the Tom Hanks in Philadelphia looking character?
	No, of course I do.
	When I look at not gay Jared with the sullen face, of course your heart goes out to someone like that.
	But I feel worse for the kid with type 2 butt diabetes who...
	Type 2 butt?
	Type 2 butt?
	Well, now we're back to AIDS. Now we're back to AIDS. No, I do feel bad for the kid who couldn't do anything about the diabetes.
	As Zach willfully admitted, AIDS is entirely preventable in the United States.
	100%.
	Your chance of getting AIDS in the United States if you're not having gay orgies at truck stops and shooting heroin is statistically zero.
	Just so you know.
	As a matter of fact, it is so low.
	I don't have it in front of me.
	I'll have it up at lottowithcreder.com.
	I was talking about this recently.
	That in the 90s, I don't know if it's still the case, but in the 90s, the CDC did not list unprotected heterosexual sex with a prostitute as a risk factor for AIDS. As Sam Kinison said, you kind of have to set an appointment up for this one, folks.
	So it seems to me disclosure laws would be well within the realm of reasons.
	But you tweet me, Ed S. Crowder, what you think.
	I could just be wrong.
	I could be a jackass.
	I don't know.
	I just really want to...
	I think it's important to define words.
	And when you say denied health care, I don't think that if a doctor is willing to treat someone on everything else who comes in...
	And says, the science isn't in.
	I'm not comfortable giving you cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy at this point.
	I'll do everything else, but I don't want to do that.
	I don't think that should be filed under hateful transphobe doctor who won't provide health care.
	I get a little irked when people say, or they say, criminalizing HIV. No one is criminalizing HIV. People believe you should have to tell your partner if you have HIV. I understand if you think that's an unreasonable position, that if you're having sex with someone and you have AIDS or HIV, I believe it should be the law for you to disclose it.
	I understand if you think I'm entirely unreasonable, thinking you should disclose AIDS. But you've got to do it better than it's mean.
	What would you think about other STDs?
	Would you file all those under, like, if you were to create the law?
	Do you have to disclose?
	Well, the problem is, again, with age, you're talking about a life...
	Let's say Johnny over here has a bad rash of syphilis.
	Right.
	Should he have to tell his partner?
	Well, you know why you have to?
	As Chad Felix Green has talked about, you know why you have to create these laws?
	Because there's a culture of gift givers and bug chasers who are out there actively trying to give this.
	Do you realize you ever read The Tipping Point?
	I have not.
	AIDS is entirely traceable back to one gay male flight attendant from Toronto.
	Do you realize that?
	In North America?
	Really?
	100% traceable to one person who made it his goal to have as many sexual conquests as possible.
	This isn't a tipping point.
	It talks about airwalk shoes and different trends and how they pick up.
	It had some wonderful predictions about technology.
	You got Alexander the Great and his conquests.
	Then you got this guy.
	Yeah, you got the guy from Airplane.
	And Leon's getting larger.
	And he gave everyone AIDS. So, this is reality.
	And this is the one thing that, listen, with Donald Trump, and I appreciate that someone doesn't feel the need to be politically correct.
	That is something I can appreciate.
	One more note.
	I'm going to get to Hiroshima here, and then we'll have my wife on the next segment.
	With Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton, I think this is important to note.
	I don't think Donald Trump is a proactive liar.
	I really don't.
	I think Donald Trump was telling the truth when he said that he was a thoughtless person.
	When he said, you know, I'd never thought of abortion before.
	I'd never thought of it.
	I was a businessman.
	I believe him.
	Now, I'm not an abortion doctor, I'm not a doctor, but I've always thought about abortion, because it's something that people listening to this show, watching this show, these are things that you think about.
	I believe that Hillary Clinton lied when she is vehemently against same-sex marriage.
	And now she's for it, and she says she's always been for it.
	I think she's a proactive liar.
	I don't think Donald Trump's a proactive liar.
	I think, as he has said, he's a thoughtless person.
	And so I think it comes down to this election, what do you see to be more corrosive?
	An intentional liar in Hillary Clinton, or someone whose defense on these issues has been to say, I never thought of it.
	I'm a thoughtless person.
	So I will give him that credit.
	I don't think he's lying on those things.
	I don't think he's thought about these issues.
	Like he said, I don't think he's thought about it.
	I think a president should have thought about those issues.
	I don't think he has.
	Because he said he didn't.
	So listen, I'll give him credit where it's due there.
	Speaking of thoughtless, people who got really mad about Hiroshima this week because Barack Obama did his Japan tour.
	Thank God they don't have nukes.
	And the theme, the underlying tone was apologetic.
	It certainly wasn't, listen, you guys screwed up.
	You were animals during World War II. You got what you had coming to you.
	That would have been my approach.
	So a lot of people, including some conservatives, still feel guilty about Hiroshima, the bombing, dropping the A-bomb, Nagasaki, and felt guilty.
	I don't.
	I don't at all.
	Let me explain to you why.
	It wasn't a mistake.
	Now, let's explain the difference again between good versus evil.
	People go, well, not nearly as many people died at Pearl Harbor.
	I don't care.
	I don't care.
	Just like I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human life, when someone kills people unprovoked or kills innocent people in the World Trade Center, for example, that's way worse than an act of war.
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, you kill way more and it doesn't matter.
	The United States didn't target civilian populations and they released leaflets warning people for days.
	Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of leaflets, I have the link up here on the website, saying, leave.
	Dropping them directly in population centers to Japanese civilians, saying, we're going to bomb these places.
	Because you know their own government wouldn't.
	No, their own government wouldn't.
	Their own government said they were willing to sacrifice millions of lives.
	And they were.
	Even after the bombings.
	Even after the bombing.
	It took Nagasaki.
	And they actually tried to assassinate the Empress?
	I love that guy, that Chinese guy.
	Yeah.
	When he was going to make the radio announcement that they were going to concede in the war, people tried to assassinate him because they still wanted Japan to keep fighting.
	The military leaders still wanted to keep fighting.
	Yes, they still wanted to keep fighting.
	And they were willing to sacrifice their own people.
	So it's very important that you know that.
	And the United States said, gosh, we know a ground war is going to lead to millions of casualties.
	If you look at the documents that went back and forth, this was something that was deliberated over for a long time.
	Bill Whittle's done a great video on this.
	He said, we know there are going to be far more casualties if we go in on the ground.
	Not to mention, of course, how far the Axis could get.
	We don't know.
	And people will say, well, what about Russia?
	Now, listen.
	It wasn't just Russia.
	The United States...
	The A-bomb was kind of the catalyst.
	And they said, we've got to do something.
	Okay.
	Well, we're going to target military bases, but, you know, kind of like Muslims today.
	Well, they put these in there in these big population centers.
	Okay.
	What can we do to try and limit this?
	Well, let's release leaflets.
	Let's try and let the people know.
	Why?
	Because we know their government.
	And let's release them strategically in different spots at different times because we know the Japanese government is going to hide it from their people because they will hide behind their people as human shields while the United States tries to defend their people, just like Hamas.
	They fire their rockets from schools and from mosques so that when Israeli troops try and fire back, they can go, look at the people you killed!
	Whereas Israel, if you've ever been to Israel, anyone out there who's been to Israel, Dave Rubin will tell you about this too, they build bombs.
	It's just a part of the kids in Israeli schools.
	They have bomb shelters.
	Siren goes off, they get to bomb shelters.
	Those don't exist with Hamas.
	They throw their people forward as human shields.
	Same thing with the Japanese.
	So that's why they dropped leaflets to try and warn people.
	That's benevolent.
	I don't even think it was necessary to do that.
	Thank God the Americans did.
	Of course, you have kamikazes.
	So, let's get to...
	That's the sentiment.
	That matters.
	The spirit of what happened before the attack.
	One was clearly trying to attack without warning.
	One was clearly trying to prevent as many civilian casualties as possible.
	I think that matters.
	You can tweet me at uscratter whether you think it matters or not.
	Let's get to the results.
	Millions of lives were spared.
	Every historian who has studied war and who has studied particularly ground battles, I don't want to say every historian.
	I don't want to pull a Zach Ford.
	Most agree.
	And if you look at wars and how bloody they were, especially at the gridlock that was occurring in World War II, would have been far worse than dropping these significant weapons.
	Would have been far more bloody.
	And listen, not only for the Japanese, but I'm going to tell you something.
	Yep, I care more about the Americans.
	Even if it weren't the Japanese, even if it were the same amount of civilian casualties, if it prevented American casualties in war, I still would support it.
	So I want to make sure that you don't think I'm backing off and saying only because of Japanese.
	No, no, no.
	Even if that weren't the case, even though it's the case, more innocent Japanese lives were saved.
	Even if that weren't the case and it only saved more American lives, I would still support dropping the A-bomb.
	Why?
	Look at the survival rates in their internment camps, in their prisoner of war camps versus the United States.
	It's not even close.
	It's not even close.
	They were absolute animals.
	They were barbaric animals, and that was what we were up against.
	And it's so easy to look back and say, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're the only country.
	I had a teacher one time said, we're the only country to have used the A-bomb.
	Who gives a rat's ass?
	What's the reason for it?
	You can use a tank to run over someone in Tiananmen Square, or you can use a tank to liberate a nation of people.
	Violence is not inherently immoral.
	And this is what they teach on college campus.
	I remember I had to do a project one time, this Photoshop project in college.
	I was in film school.
	And I did one on 9-11, and she said it would be more effective if you did it on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
	So reissue it.
	And I said, no, I'm not going to, because I think this is worse.
	He said, yeah, but not nearly as many lives were lost.
	I said, I know.
	I know.
	But they were more important lives.
	And they weren't people who were taking out innocent lives.
	So you know what?
	I'm glad.
	I'm glad that the kamikazes and people who were filling other soldiers' water with organs and imploding them.
	That was Japanese waterboarding.
	I'm glad they were taken out.
	I feel bad about the people who were working in their office buildings.
	Sorry!
	Not a moral equivalency.
	So I want to make sure I'm clear on that.
	You can read the article at louderwithcreditor.com.
	Don't think I'm backing it up.
	I hope I've crystallized my thoughts.
	After the break, Mrs.
	Crowder with a story.
	Mrs.
	Crowder, coming up.
	Very funny story.
	Sad story.
	Troy, stay tuned.
	This week in feminism.
	We are here live.
	Wait, how much time do we have left on that one?
	We've got about a minute, 20.
	Yeah, no, I was, um...
	It was disappointing that Zach didn't want to come on with Chad.
	Wait, what?
	Chad?
	No, see, right there.
	I didn't say female.
	Oh, yeah.
	You seem pretty firm about him.
	I think, I don't know, maybe he'll be able to bench the camera.
	This week in cultural appropriation...
	Can you imagine?
	Seems like a good guy, too.
	Like, I've always...
	Oh, excuse me, sir.
	It takes a brass period to come out.
	That's actually really offensive.
	Perpetuating a negative Mexican stereotype.
	You should do away with the squirrels.
	He doesn't seem like too much of a faggot compared to some of the other people.
	He's a good guy.
	Mexican?
	No habla inglés.
	Join us next week for more in cultural appropriation.
	Music.
	Glad to be back.
	I'm not happy that we don't have the Street Fighter bump in there.
	I don't know what you did.
	It hasn't been in today.
	Next week?
	Next week from NotKJ.
	We had a great bump.
	I don't know.
	I'm just so upset.
	I'm livid.
	I am livid, but I do want...
	This is why we need our next guest here.
	So when you hear this song, you know exactly who's coming on.
	She's a lady.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Oh, she's a lady talking about that little lady.
	And the lady is mine.
	It's Mrs. Gray.
	Crowder.
	Mrs.
	Crowder, thank you for being with us.
	Oh, you're welcome.
	You interrupted my bath, but that's okay.
	Well, people on Twitter were saying, hide the white wine with Mrs.
	Crowder.
	No, I didn't have any white wine today, but I did eat a packet of donuts for dinner.
	For dinner?
	I did too.
	Oh!
	High five!
	No, that's enough of this.
	Okay, so we don't have a ton of time in this segment, but you had a story, and I don't know if it was just because it was late.
	This has been a really long week.
	But Hillary starts getting texts this week, and Not Gay Jared has not heard this.
	This is a 100% true story.
	So Not Gay Jared can just bring this up on my computer so you can see it for people watching the live stream.
	My wife all of a sudden just starts getting texts, multiple texts, of hospital food.
	Just food coming through from a phone.
	What was it?
	Four, five, six?
	I got eight.
	And it wasn't just...
	You need to show the pictures because it wasn't just a hospital food.
	It was pictures of various hospital foods in various stages of being eaten.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Here's another one for Not Gay Jared to bring up.
	And it's so gross.
	And it came from an unknown number.
	And they all came at once.
	And I was eating my lunch at a restaurant.
	This is bizarre.
	I'm bringing up the pictures here.
	I'm looking at them.
	Not Gay Jared.
	Bring this up for people.
	It's the same thing.
	But it's food and it's in various stages of being eaten.
	And then it's different dishes than other stages of being eaten.
	Yeah, there are multiple dishes.
	There was like brisket, there was pasta, and it's clearly hospital food.
	There was meatloaf.
	So eight pictures being sent to you of food and then half-eaten food.
	Yeah, and no text, just pictures all of a sudden to my phone of Happy Now.
	And for some reason, here's what I thought was funny, for some reason, you felt compelled to respond.
	Tell me what happened.
	So you got these pictures, and then what transpired?
	Well, I got these pictures, and I'm looking at them, and I'm trying to eat my own lunch, and I'm like, ooh, this is gross.
	And then my sister called and I told her what happened and I shared the pictures with her.
	And I'm like, what should I say?
	I mean, obviously this is supposed to go to someone.
	I mean, this is kind of gross.
	I don't want to be rude.
	And then my sister was like, well, it's coming from a hospital.
	This could be a suicidal person.
	So you better make sure that you're nice.
	So, I'm like, oh my gosh, she's probably right.
	This could be someone where this is like their last meal, and if they don't get validation, they're about to off themselves and hang themselves at the shower curtain.
	These photos are not, they're not positivity inducing.
	They're not positive.
	So, I just texted back, and I said, oh, looks delicious.
	I think you have the wrong number.
	I don't think it's that funny.
	It doesn't.
	I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
	I didn't want them to kill themselves.
	I wanted to make sure if they were looking for validation that the right person received a picture of the half-eaten food.
	It is the most bizarre white lie that I have ever heard.
	And was there any more text after that?
	No, so I'm concerned about what happened to them.
	Jared's looking at this picture going, really?
	First off, none of it looks delicious.
	No.
	So if you've been texting my wife, I don't know what to tell you.
	You haven't gotten any more texts since.
	No, and it's been a couple days, so I feel like it would be inappropriate for me to follow through or follow up again.
	Yeah, that would be awkward.
	I don't know, maybe I could.
	And just be like, hey...
	Tweetmate S. Crowder, what would you do in this situation?
	Would you have tweeted the back sounds delicious?
	No, it looks delicious.
	I mean, it couldn't be important.
	It looks delicious.
	Sorry.
	It was visually based.
	Of course, these were pictures.
	Well, I think that's very sweet of you.
	Thank you.
	I don't know if it was the best tact to take.
	If they were suicidal, and I didn't say anything, and they thought that it went to their mother or something, and their mother didn't give a crap about their hospital food that they were eating, then that could have been the last freaking straw.
	Is this actually your thought process?
	Yes!
	So you genuinely believe that when you sent someone the message, looks delicious, you were potentially saving a life?
	I think that there's a strong possibility.
	Or, okay, not strong.
	I think that there's a possibility.
	Obviously they're in the hospital.
	Okay, question time.
	If that was how you wanted to save their life, that was the limit you were able to go to?
	Yeah, now I thought it was sweet, but that's not that much.
	If it was that serious, you wouldn't have called them?
	Maybe call like, hey, Suicide Hotline?
	Something?
	Just tell them their meatloaf looks nice.
	Well, if you ever hear, if it's ever on your tombstone, Stephen, last words you heard was, looks delicious.
	We know what kind of dark place you are in.
	Probably because of YouTube in Nashville.
	I'm just reaching out.
	I've reached my boiling point, and my wife says, looks delicious.
	No, I do.
	I think that was very, there was very sweet of you.
	And I hope that the person is doing okay.
	I do too.
	You know, it's not nice.
	Okay, but then we have to go.
	Your mustache.
	I know.
	Get rid of it.
	That's true.
	My wife won't sleep with me when I have this mustache.
	It's It is really gross.
	But it's foreshadowing for people out there.
	Jean-Guy Tremblay, just so you know.
	We've been working on a video.
	Hillary knows.
	She's very tolerant of this.
	That's one L, or as I call her, good Hillary.
	And one more thing before you go.
	Corroborate for Not Gay Jared.
	The elf.
	Oh my gosh.
	It was a true elf.
	Straight from wherever elves come from.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	From the Keebler tree.
	From the North Pole.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	It was absolutely incredible.
	Also, quick shout out to whoever is running Hopper Crowd or Twitter.
	I am stalking you constantly.
	I love you and you've completely channeled the soul and essence of Hopper.
	So thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Sweetheart, we love you.
	You have to go.
	She's a lady.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	She's a lady.
	Talking about me.
	And the lady is mine.
	All right, get out of here.
	Sometimes you've got to be nice and safe.
	You've got to keep your pimp hands strong!
	Pimpin' ain't easy!
	Pimpin' ain't easy!
	Not easy!
	All right, thank you to the missus for telling that story.
	I thought it was sweet.
	I know some people may not think it's sweet.
	Someone who's not that sweet coming up next is Gavin McInnes.
	Not that sweet.
	I like him, but he's not cute and cuddly.
	No.
	He can fool you.
	Oh, it's spiky.
	A little thorny.
	It's kind of like an armadillo.
	You think, like, oh, he's kind of cute, then he rolls up into a ball.
	A semi-charming armadillo.
	Yes, he is charming.
	Semi-charming.
	He's just not particularly warm.
	No.
	No.
	And reptiles are cold-blooded.
	Are armadillos reptiles?
	Yes.
	I don't know.
	We're going to talk.
	He has a great point to make, Gavin McInnes, that he wrote about this week.
	Ladder with Crowder.
	Stay tuned.
	tuned.
	Kevin McGinnis.
	Hey, you.
	Watching the live stream.
	Don't forget to tweet us.
	That's Crowder.
	It's a good time.
	Oh, and subscribe below.
	Yeah.
	And you're also going to the hour with Crowder.com where you have all kinds of articles and more stuff than you see here.
	Hey, why are you brushing your teeth in the shower?
	My favorite time.
	I read it in GQ. I've never thought about that.
	I guess it does.
	I'ma do the things that I want to do I ain't got a thing to prove to you I ain't Alright, we have our next guest.
	I'm sorry about that.
	He was supposed to swap out that bump track, so he will be fired.
	But we have a lovely guest.
	We have him here all the time.
	Good friend of the show.
	You can watch his daily show at compoundmedia.com.
	Over there, you've got Anthony Kumiya.
	You've got him.
	He's doing shows at therebel.media.
	You can follow him on Twitter at Gavin McGinnis.
	Thank you for being on, sir.
	Thank you for having me, Stephen.
	So we had a underscore McInnes.
	Sorry, you gotta fix that.
	That makes it more complex.
	I know.
	Doesn't that make me look old?
	That's what old guys do.
	They go, I better put an underscore in there so people can differentiate.
	It's a Bernie Sanders move.
	But if I want to keep my email private, I'll put just the initial for my middle name with an underscore.
	No one will be wiser.
	I'll write out the word at.
	The bots can't figure that out.
	No, exactly.
	Oh, I remember I had the same email for a long time.
	Remember in Canada, everything was Hotmail.
	There was no AOL. It used MSN. And my first email ever was wedgymaniac at hotmail.com.
	And when I started booking shows as a stand-up comic, I was using that.
	And even among comedians, the bookers are like, this is unprofessional.
	You should change that.
	Yeah.
	My outgoing message has been funny my whole life, and then I was buying this house, and I was getting all these mortgage people calling and buyers, and it's the first, at 45, it was the first time I said, you've reached Gavin McInnes, I'll leave a message after the tone, I'll try to get back to you.
	Before, I was doing voices and farting and getting my Jamaican doorman to go, well, go on, he's not here, you know, Babylon's cruising in.
	That art form's gone.
	I don't think it should be gone.
	I think you should bring it back.
	If you have the house now, then go back to it.
	What do you need it for?
	You're right.
	I think it's time.
	We closed last week.
	I'm ready to reinvent the outgoing message.
	There you go.
	Gavin McGinnis grows up enough to get a house.
	And then regresses.
	That's what we want to see.
	So Gavin, you were talking about this this week, your kind of overall concept, and it's interesting.
	You've been on this for a little bit.
	Heroes are crapped on and perverts and degenerates are exalted.
	Am I capturing that correctly?
	You are correct.
	So it started out with, you know, the jocks get too much love.
	What about the nerds?
	That's when you had square pegs in the 80s and, hey, give the nerds a chance.
	We went, okay.
	And then somewhere in the past 10 years now, the losers are gods and the heroes are scumbags.
	So it's even gone way worse than it was before.
	And I was saying this to Paul Joseph Watson.
	We need to just put society in a Word doc and go edit, find, replace, proud, shame.
	Because we got that.
	The salon has a guy.
	He says, hey, I'm a pedophile, but I've never molested a child.
	Yay!
	You did it.
	You did it.
	And then a guy shoots an ape that's about to kill a child.
	And we go, you jerk.
	You should have talked it out.
	I know.
	I got some conservatives who were mad at me because I wrote about how I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human child and I wouldn't even be late to dinner.
	Like, oh, all life is...
	And libertarian conservatives decided this was the fight they wanted to pick.
	They're like, you could have tranquilized it.
	No, because in real life, you hit a gorilla with a tranquilizer and you piss it off for a while and he has your little kid in one hand and a bunch of time and doesn't know what to do with it in the other.
	And you've got about three minutes before he goes lights out, in which case he could collapse on the child.
	So people just say incredibly stupid things.
	But I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	You know, I also think a big part of that is you kind of sort of mentioned jocks and nerds.
	That's actually relatively recent.
	If you look at great men in history, they were both.
	You weren't considered a complete man without the physicality, without being intellectual.
	It wasn't considered crazy to tell a man you loved him, to have intimate relationships, and it wasn't considered gay.
	That's kind of a modern symptom of leftism telling everyone maybe you're secretly gay.
	Well, the whole concept of the jock rapist is the blonde with the letterman sweater, and he's out there raping all day and raping cheerleaders.
	That's why the UVA hoax was so successful.
	That's why Mattress Girl has her narrative.
	But when you actually look into it, you go, I've done some research.
	Those guys are at the bottom of the rape list.
	And when I include prison, men are at the bottom of the rape victim, I mean, men are at the top of the rape victim list.
	And you realize your stupid little John Hughes film narrative Isn't even close to reality, but for some reason it's been very successful.
	And now it affects everyone.
	Like, look at this guy in the cover of The Post today, okay?
	Someone breaks into his house, starts raping his wife.
	He beats the guy to death.
	He's arrested.
	Yeah, I know.
	These moms, right, they let their kids play, they let their kids get into trouble, and they're called, well, I know I can't swear on your show, S-H-I-T-T-Y moms.
	Can I spell the bad word?
	No, it's fine.
	And they glorify themselves as bad moms, but all they're really doing is duplicating a 70s childhood.
	They let their kids get a nosebleed.
	They don't hover around their kids.
	And they're owning it the way gun nuts do.
	But you realize that these gun nuts, these people that understand that more guns equal less crime and the hood would be a lot safer if people had guns.
	Well, don't use the term gun nuts.
	You're using the leftist language.
	No, they use that term, though.
	We've since taken it over.
	And they say, yeah, I'm a gun nut.
	You got me.
	And it's this topsy-turvy land where these people are so in touch with reality.
	Look at Katie Couric.
	She goes, I came with something.
	A felon.
	Felons can get guns.
	I'm going to bring that up with gun owners.
	And they would have never thought of that because I've never met them and I don't know how they operate.
	And she did that and she had to fake edit to make the narrative clear.
	Let me show you something here.
	Get careful.
	This is actually loaded because it's going to be going target shooting soon.
	That's illegal.
	That has over 10 rounds.
	People don't understand that.
	An old revolver.
	22 revolver with over 10 rounds.
	So it's so arbitrary, and Katie Couric doesn't even understand that.
	You can have a lever-action rifle that would have higher than the maximum capacity.
	It's silly.
	Everything that she talks about is arbitrary, and when you hear her speak, she clearly has no idea what she's talking about.
	I know you're Canadian, so I know some of those things might get passed in the technicality, but as a gun owner and I watch her, I go, this is complete BS. And so the second I heard it on Monday, I called BS. I said, there's no way this interview wasn't edited.
	And then by Wednesday, we were vindicated.
	It was so obvious.
	So obvious.
	Anyone who's spoken to any of them knows how ballistic they go when you bring up any of the clichés.
	They've been through them a million times.
	And the answer is, felons can't get guns, blah, blah, blah.
	I mean, I'm not even going to go through it now, but the big picture here is that they've been vilifying the patriarchy and, you know, the alpha male for so long that they're now glorifying disgusting pariahs.
	And, by the way, this is why the left It ends up with ISIS and Sharia law because they go, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
	And now they prefer people who throw gays off buildings to guys who are friends with gays because they don't fit the narrative.
	Right.
	Yeah, it really is a tough one for them.
	And what I find funny is, we were just talking about this earlier, democratic socialism they use, for example.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's democratic.
	Well, guess what?
	In any Islamic country right now, you could throw it to a democratic vote to beat your wives.
	Women are getting the crap kicked out of them.
	Just because you add democratic in front of slavery, genocide, it doesn't make it okay.
	Why don't you go door to door in Russia saying, I'd like to be the new president.
	I hate Jews.
	You will be incredibly popular.
	It's true.
	You could democratically win on any anti-Semitic platform over there.
	If she's gay, you'd do fantastic.
	You'd also just give people free toilet paper and you could buy their vote.
	Most people need...
	Okay, so that's the over...
	I love that point.
	Man, we should have had him on for two...
	How long do we have to the end of the...
	Five minutes.
	We've got five minutes, okay.
	We'll go right back to that, but real quick, because we've been talking about this and no one has definitively answered this, Gavin.
	It's childish, but then again, so is this program.
	Who do you think would win in a fight?
	If you're a millionaire, you can make it happen.
	Male silverback gorilla...
	Stop it, Jared.
	It's topical now.
	Male silverback gorilla or grizzly bear?
	I am a millionaire, by the way, and I may actually do this.
	I mean, actually think about it, because almost everyone I know has gone back and forth.
	When you really think about it, your first instinct is gorilla, and then you go, hold on a second, grizzly bear?
	Well, they're both sheer muscle, right?
	Right.
	But as far as actual razor-sharp claws go, the gorilla just has his weird Homer Simpson beak that he uses to bite off your heels and your groin and then your chin.
	Wait, is that the order?
	Where is this coming from?
	Well, I'm basically on chimps.
	Oh, okay.
	When chimps attack, they go for your heels, then your groin, then your face, and then your hands.
	Unless they're on red wine and Xanax with the remote control and they rip off your face.
	That's how you knew that was a tragedy.
	Like, that's not the natural order of the chimp attack.
	What's he doing on the face?
	He knows you need no heels to not run away.
	So, you're leading towards Grizzly, it sounds.
	I'm leading towards Grizzly because they're both just muscle mass like sharks.
	But what's unique about the Grizzly is he has these razor blades on his fingers.
	Right.
	So, they're equally matched except for razor blade hands.
	And he's going to get in there.
	He's going to be lacerating the face.
	Go ahead and try to bite my heels off with no eyes.
	Right.
	I think it depends on environmental factors.
	If the gorilla can grab something, use it as a club, maybe.
	I don't know.
	But, okay, so, Gavin, you can tweet us.
	Or maybe there's a baby just thing around.
	Tweet him at Gavin underscore McGinnis if you disagree with him.
	This is one of the things that gets the most heated discussion on Twitter, Gavin.
	People are very passionate in their opinions about gorilla versus grizzly bear.
	Well, get a scientist on.
	I bet there's an answer for that.
	I've spoken with two different scientists, and I've gotten two different opinions, even from them.
	Wow.
	Because they're like, well, the intellect, and they're like, yeah, but then they're by nature vegetarian, so they're not super aggressive.
	So it's tough.
	It's tough.
	It is a tough question.
	I hope someday we get to see it happen.
	That's all I hope.
	So, okay, where do you think we go, Gavin?
	Because, listen, you're not necessarily a jock.
	I mean, I don't know if I'm mistaken.
	You're more of a creative type.
	You've worked in media.
	You've worked in music.
	So where would you say you line up?
	And is this from personal experience where everyone I knew who did the date rape stuff in high school who were creepy, they were all like guys in rock bands.
	They weren't really the jocks.
	Yeah, it's a myth.
	And I grew up hating them.
	I was sort of, well, punks weren't really nerds.
	They were more freaks.
	And I would hang out with the goth girls and, you know, all the outcasts, the Island of Misfit Toys people.
	And we were brainwashed into thinking that, you know, pop music, rock music sucks.
	I heard about, I listened to Bruce Springsteen for the first time about ten years ago.
	And I go, this guy's good.
	Oh, we can't have him back.
	I hate that mumbling back.
	Hang up.
	Click.
	Rolling Stones, I just discovered.
	I discovered all this mainstream music very recently, and I was watching some movie, and they had a bunch of jocks.
	I guess this is an American thing where they all go with boats to some sort of quarry, and they hop from boat to boat swimming.
	When I was that age, we were going to anarchist conventions and discussing the future of the anarchist dialectic, whatever the hell, and I'm just like, what a waste.
	Why was I thumbing my nose up at jocks when they were having so much fun?
	So I'm definitely coming at this from a new angle, and I'm realizing that these guys had it right all along.
	Yeah, I definitely.
	I mean, regardless, even we use kind of the term jock so people can wrap their head around it.
	But yeah, sort of the more traditionalist guys there who were in school and weren't these elitist bastards.
	It's funny.
	My wife was watching.
	I've been introducing her.
	I watched The O.C. when I was young.
	This is foreshadowing.
	We're working on something, so we're doing research.
	She'd never seen it.
	And we watch it, and they all live in Orange County, and they're making fun of the kid for having a Democrat bumper sticker.
	They're like, gross, loser.
	And you're like, this is in California.
	There is no chance at that ever actually happening.
	All the jackasses in that high school are Democrats, and they're the ones who are screaming and trigger warnings and safe spaces.
	But it's always been the opposite in film or TV. The Christian, the conservative, the jock shows up.
	They're either the serial killer or the bad guy.
	Yeah, and I'm starting to like the bad guy.
	I think he's a good guy.
	He shoots apes that are going to kill people.
	He beats up rapists.
	He treats kids with some independence and lets them go out and get into trouble.
	We've been scoffing at the Western Patriarch for so long, we forgot that he's the reason that we're here.
	He's the reason everything is so great in this country.
	It's time to stop being a nation of ingrates and respect the fact that the West is the best.
	Well, speaking of a nation of ingrates, you were upset that Ted Cruz wasn't on the Supreme Court nominee list.
	Yes, he would have been a great...
	He may have been a more effective Supreme Court judge than president.
	Yeah, no, I think you're right, and I appreciate that you're balanced, because a lot of people are either on the Never Trump campaign or they hate Ted Cruz, and Gavin has been consistent.
	He's always been a fan of both, and he's been nice to people on both, and he's not a mean jock.
	Gavin, give him your plugs.
	I'm a Western chauvinist, okay?
	I'm a proud Canadian.
	I'm a proud American.
	I'm a proud European.
	I love it all.
	My plugs, whatever.
	Google me.
	I'm around.
	All right.
	Gavin McGinnis with the underscore on Twitter.
	Gavin underscore McGinnis.
	He didn't hang up.
	He thinks he hung up, but we can still hear him drinking coffee.
	Louder with Crowder.
	Oh, it would have been so perfect if he hung up.
	That would have been so Gavin.
	He missed an opportunity.
	Stay tuned.
	Soon we'll wrap this show up for you.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	I'm out.
	Hopper is not the hero America deserves, but the one it needs.
	I'm out.
	I'm out.
	Oh, glad to be back with Gaspin Frere during that break.
	I can't hold my nose underwater, do you know that?
	You can't?
	It's tough.
	No, I need nose plugs.
	Okay, this is serious.
	I'm not kidding.
	This is serious.
	I don't know if you...
	Someone just died recently.
	I read about this.
	Shallow water drowning.
	Have you heard about this?
	I've not heard about this.
	You know when you do that thing with your...
	Just so people know this.
	I didn't know this, and I used to do this all the time as a kid.
	Apparently, it's a very serious problem.
	You know when you do your hold your breath competition underwater?
	Yeah.
	Here's the problem with it.
	A lot of people, right before you hold your breath, you go, I'm going to gather my breath.
	And they hyperventilate, and they go down, and they pass out, and they don't even realize it.
	So they don't drown, they pass out, and they drown.
	Then they drown.
	The drowning does still occur.
	I always faked drowning as a kid.
	I always had the dead man's float.
	I think every boy did that.
	You're like, oh, I'm dead!
	It's a real problem.
	Dad, you're not coming to get me.
	I spoke with a lifeguard, because we were talking about some UFC fighter who was doing this, like a breath-holding thing, to train his lung capacity, which is stupid.
	And he said, that's really dangerous.
	And he wrote a letter to the producer saying, hey, just so you know, what he's doing, actually, without any warning, that's actually one of the most common causes of drowning.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's really common.
	I think it was called shallow water drowning, hyperventilation.
	The thing is, it's not someone panicking.
	You go under, you've hyperventilated, and your body just, you pass out.
	And then you drown.
	So there's no struggle.
	And so most people don't see it.
	So that's why it's such a common cause for drowning, is that people, they just see you down there.
	You go down, you're holding your breath.
	Usually you try and stay still.
	They're dead!
	Johnny, you guys again, look at him go.
	Look at him.
	Oh, that's a really long time, Johnny.
	Man, he's getting better at this.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, Johnny's dead.
	Oh my gosh.
	Someone actually tweeted me this week about the near-death experience I talked about in the kayak on Lake Massawipi.
	They were saying I grew up near there.
	I saw my life flash before my eyes.
	If you've never actually faced death, get in one of those kayaks that is watertight and you don't know how to tip back.
	You will see Jesus.
	I thought kayaking was kind of a fruity sport.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what it is.
	Pretty homosexual.
	Speaking of which, I wanted to talk about this.
	Gavin was on it.
	He made a good point.
	You know, one thing that I really love about Gavin...
	And I'm not just saying this.
	He comes across as brash.
	And you get this a lot.
	A lot of sort of intellectuals in the conservative movement may look down at someone like him.
	And he's very balanced.
	He loves Trump, but unlike a lot of people who just...
	He also really...
	He talked about Ted Cruz.
	He's been a long supporter of Ted Cruz.
	I get where he's coming from.
	We don't agree on everything.
	He's also a really compassionate guy.
	People who don't know Gavin, he's a very warm-hearted guy.
	But a lot of people look down and think, well, he's brash.
	He doesn't have a lot to offer.
	He made a great point when he was talking about sort of this reversal of roles with young men.
	And, you know, I wanted to talk about this because Courtney wrote about it, but I wanted to go into it a little bit more from a male perspective.
	You know, liberals are...
	Leftists are always trying to pervert healthy masculine relationships.
	Captain America might be gay.
	It might be secretly gay.
	Everything has to be gay.
	You know, they say...
	I think it was Salon said, no one is actually straight.
	That's a figment of your imagination.
	They will say, of course, being gay isn't a choice.
	I'm not saying gay is a choice.
	But they will say, no one's really straight.
	In other words, implying that it's a choice.
	And these same people, if you go to the Feminist Film Festival, as I've gone, or you go into gender studies, these same feminists, they try and do an about-face and say, well, we're the ones who really actually care about men.
	Men are afraid to express their feelings, and that's also a byproduct of patriarchy.
	Men are afraid to be open, and so that leads to these kinds of depression and the suicide rate, which is almost entirely a middle-aged, particularly white male problem.
	Suicide.
	It's unbelievable.
	Women don't have the same suicide.
	It's not even close.
	It's not because of patriarchy.
	If you look back throughout history, men had very intimate relationships with other men, meaning very close, loving relationships, friendships, and there was never even an inkling of a sense that it might be gay.
	It never even crossed their mind.
	It was perfectly acceptable.
	If you look throughout, if you look at, you read the Bible, you read other historical texts saying, I love you, being close, kissing.
	Like the Sam and Frodo kind of relationships.
	Yes.
	It was perfectly acceptable.
	Not Bert and Ernie.
	Not Bert and Ernie.
	No, not Bert.
	Well, they were just experimenting.
	Experimenting.
	Being fair.
	College.
	And the point he had, you can't trust someone like that.
	This is how men interacted.
	Now, it's actually a pretty recent thing for it to be, oh, I'm a jock, and oh, I don't say hello, I don't hug.
	That's a pretty recent thing.
	And the reason men have complexes is not because of patriarchy.
	When you tell people that heterosexuality doesn't really exist, when you tell them that everyone is secretly gay, when you say Captain America is really close with his friend Bucky, well, really, it's clear that he's gay...
	Men who know they're not don't want to be lumped in with that.
	So the reason they have a harder time expressing their emotions now in 2016 is because you've made old men think that if they express their emotions, they're secretly gay.
	That doesn't come from men throughout history.
	It's a pretty recent thing.
	I'm talking about in the last 50 years.
	It's cyclical.
	But men are concerned.
	Men are self-conscious now, as they never have been throughout history.
	If you look at how men interacted with men...
	Because of leftists telling them, well, really, you might be gay.
	And a guy wants to be able to say, hey, you know what?
	I love you, man.
	You mean a lot to me.
	You're a good friend.
	They want to be able to say that without someone going, hmm, does that mean you love a wiener?
	No, it doesn't.
	But they may shower together.
	Right.
	To be fair.
	I just wanted to point it out.
	It's a perfect example of leftists perverting something while claiming they're doing it for the greater good.
	We're doing it for people to be more open.
	We're doing it for people to be more open with their emotions.
	Okay, I'm going to be open with my emotions.
	Hey, you know what, Dad?
	I love you.
	Does that mean you're gay?
	No.
	No, it doesn't.
	Perverting something that's wholesome and perfectly fine in the name of progress.
	That happens a lot.
	Speaking of progress, we've got a lot of chatter.
	I do appreciate Zach Ford coming on.
	And if it seemed like I was getting a little, I'll admit, more aggressive than usual.
	We've had people on.
	We've had an imam who came on and threw out death threats, and we still allowed him to speak.
	It's important.
	This is something to think about, Zach Ford.
	He didn't have any numbers regarding epidemics or doctors or statistics who disagreed with the current politically correct transgender treatment.
	And this is what he does for a living.
	Leftists are so used to simply throwing out language and deciding the playing field in which the argument takes place, they're not used to someone not accepting it.
	Don't ever accept it at face value.
	When someone says, women aren't getting health care.
	Well, hold on a second.
	You mean women aren't getting pap smears?
	Women aren't getting antibiotics?
	Well, they're not getting free abortion.
	That's the horse crap you're talking about.
	They're not getting free abortion.
	Transgenders are being denied health care.
	Well, hold on.
	You mean some doctors don't want to do hormone replacement therapy.
	AIDS is an epidemic.
	Give me the number.
	Whenever you have a debate, make sure you identify the language they're using and what it means.
	And that's why that conversation had to take place in that staccato way.
	You just can't let that much BS feed through because then you can't have an honest dialogue.
	So we do want an honest civil dialogue.
	But it has to start from an honest place.
	So don't take the narrative at face value.
	See you next week.
	Lighter with Crowder.
	Stay tuned.
	You're still here? - Good.
	It's over.

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