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March 21, 2024 - Know More News - Adam Green
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Owen Shroyer Returns to the Lions' Den | Know More News w/ Adam Green
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I'm Adam Green.
It is Wednesday, March 20th, 2024, joining me once again, back after six years.
The host of InfoWars Band.video, Alex Jones's protégé, as I like to call him.
He has one of the best beards in the biz.
I purposely have not cut my beard just so I could compete with that epic beard.
But Owen Schroyer is here.
What's up, Owen?
Thanks for coming.
Wow, a beard compliment right out of the gates.
You know, we got to set a legacy for ourselves like this.
Yeah, I like that Irish, I assume, beard you got going on there.
Do you trim your own beard?
I know it's a lot of shaping to do a beard like that, or do you go get it done at a barber?
So it depends because you have the longer hair than I have right now.
And so if I'm growing my hair out, it'll go longer between visits to the barber.
So I'll trim it and shape it myself about once a week.
But normally I'm going to the barber every other week and I just let him do the job.
Yep, yep.
I've never been to a barber.
I do it myself, but I'm going to have to try to find a good one.
So it's been six years.
Oh, and by the way, obviously I've been a huge critic of Alex Jones for years.
I challenge you to abate the debate six years ago.
And I got a soft spot for you because you came on and you were a good sport.
And then even after that, you had me on your show for a quick debate.
And then when I got demonetized on YouTube, you were one of the only people to support me and had me on.
So I appreciate you for that.
You've been doing, as a lot of people have noticed, you and Harrison Smith have been doing a lot better on covering the Zionist issue.
So credit to you there.
But let's recap.
2018, almost six years ago, InfoWars host.
This is an SPLC article.
Oh, InfoWars host, Owen Schroer, debates Jewish conspiracies with anti-Semitic YouTuber.
After six years, I was talking to you guys about Zionism.
You called it, quote, weird shit.
You said there's a lot of other stuff at play.
I was trying to talk about Zionism, Third Temple, that type of stuff, end times prophecies.
And you said, what about the pyramids?
What about Atlantis?
What about all these other things?
You're just focusing on one thing.
Can you concede now that maybe I was a little ahead of the curve and Zionism is more of a central issue?
Because I see you covering a lot now.
Everybody's covering it a lot now, and it's safer to talk about it.
So what's your thoughts on that?
Well, I kind of find that ironic.
And I'll tell you what, I will concede that, yes, that was not my biggest issue.
I still would say it's not my biggest issue.
I cover the news as it's breaking.
I am agile.
I am multi-dimensional in my news coverage.
And so, yeah, when it becomes a big issue, I cover it accurately.
So if you want to say I'm doing a better job of it now, you focused on one issue for your entire career where I cover multiple issues.
So I can sit here and talk about a solar eclipse for 10 years.
And then when it happens, say, see, I was above the curve.
But I'll tell you what.
It's always been happening.
I'll concede, but you also have to concede that you were wrong in your evaluation of InfoWars and myself.
Well, I don't know that I was wrong, but, and I still see Alex Jones.
I mean, it's not just, it's not just me online that sees Alex Jones gatekeeping or scared to talk about stuff like that.
But the biggest thing also is all the Trump support.
So let me ask you about Trump.
I know all of InfoWars is supporting Trump.
Trump gives the keys to the country to Netanyahu.
He says Israel completely controlled Congress and rightfully so.
Does that sound like MAGA or does that just sound like another Zionist president that's more the problem?
Have you seen that clip when he said Israel completely controls Congress?
Rightfully so?
Yeah, I've seen that clip.
And if you want to sit here and talk about Trump and his relation to Netanyahu or Israel or the influence that Kushner had on his administration, that's perfectly fine.
We can have a political discussion about that.
But, you know, I feel that it doesn't really do us much good to sit here and complain about that without addressing what's your alternative option.
I think the alternative is what old school InfoWars used to do.
It's a two-party dictatorship.
We need to support.
I'm not talking about media coverage.
I'm talking about raw politics.
I'm talking about political candidates.
I'm talking about who are you going to put in the White House.
Well, considering Alex Jones was a huge influence in independent media to get Trump into the White House, if he wasn't cheerleading for Trump, such as Zionist president and Jared Kushner and all of the Zionist Christians that were all around him and all the Orthodox Jews and all the focus on Abraham Accords and moving the embassy and the Israel First agenda, then maybe we could get a candidate in that's third party or not part of the two-party dictatorship.
The cheerleading, the support.
I mean, if you want to say, okay, these are the only two options, lesser of two evil, I'm going to pinch my nose and go for it.
I could understand that more.
But I mean, InfoWars and Alex Jones has been like some of the biggest Trump cheerleaders there is.
It's basically like Trump news, especially since Roger Stone came along.
If you want to credit InfoWars or Alex Jones or our audience with getting Trump over the hump in 2016 to get the Republican nominee, I think that that would be fair.
But there's a difference.
There's a difference now.
InfoWars could come out against Trump wholeheartedly and it wouldn't change a thing.
There's nothing that we can do to stop Trump's momentum at this point.
He is the populist candidate.
He is the leader of the Republican Party.
I can come out and bash Trump all day long.
And when it's time to, or when it's fair, I do and I will.
But it's not going to make any difference on the results of the 2024 election.
And I understand this.
Well, oh, you're choosing a lesser of two evils.
Well, you have to make a pragmatic decision.
Again, where's your alternative?
Are you going to deny that there is a more pragmatic choice as a better alternative to Donald Trump right now?
Because I would argue there's not.
I would argue that, yeah, both sides are Zionists.
The left has a lot of issues, but the Zionist issue, I think, is one of the biggest problems in our country.
that's why I can't support either one.
But let me ask you something now because, oh, by the way, I only...
Hold on.
I have you for 30 minutes, by the way, too, just so everybody knows.
Only 30 minutes.
Go ahead.
You're a man.
What do you mean, only 30 minutes?
I'm giving you part of my time here.
Let's not complain about how much.
I'm just telling the audience how much time we had.
But you're a man.
You have to make decisions.
You have to make smart decisions for yourself.
Are you going to deny that the country under Donald Trump is going to be better for you as an American citizen than it would be under another four years of Joe Biden?
I mean, certainly you're not going to deny that.
Well, it may be, but we don't know what Trump's going to do in his next four years.
He could back Israel and get us in a war with Iran and Russia and China and destroy America.
You don't know.
Hold on.
Hold on.
No, we do know.
We do know.
They signed the Abraham Accords, which you can Have a problem with, but there was peace in the Middle East under the Abraham Accord.
They were already at peace, they weren't at war with those countries.
What are you talking about?
There was more peace in the Middle East for Trump's four years than probably our entire lives.
The Abraham Accords, Israel was not at war with any of those countries.
America bribed them to normalize relationship with Israel.
That's what went down.
And it was weapons deals, and it was quid pro quo for Jared Kushner and the Saudi Prince and the UAE, Qatar, all of that stuff.
So you're going to argue that Middle East relations are better under Joe Biden?
I didn't say that.
That's not what I said.
And I think that, I mean, look at Kushner today.
He goes, oh, the valuable beachfront property in Gaza.
And there's nothing for the Palestinians to come back to because it's all rubble.
Like, you know, obviously you've been covering that it's a land takeover plan and that they allowed it to happen and Netanyahu propped up Hamas and all this stuff.
And now you guys are also covering the Third Temple agenda and all of that stuff.
So Trump's on board with on that.
I don't agree with that foreign policy.
I absolutely do not.
I would even, I would say the political solution is to remove anybody with dual state citizenship from having any role in any government position, certainly the federal government and Congress.
I think that's one way you remove this.
And then getting money out of politics is obviously a separate issue too.
But, you know, I will say this, and I've said this consistently.
My biggest problem right now, and you can call it the Zionists or the Jewish supremacists.
I mean, that's really what it is.
They believe they're God's chosen people.
So if you think you're God's chosen people and everybody else isn't, well, then, I mean, you're essentially a self-supremacist at that point.
But, but, you know, here's my big issue.
I mean, I might not agree with it, but at least Kushner is being honest.
You know, I'd have much more respect for the Zionists if they just came out and were honest, not like this double dealing that all these rabbis are doing, like Schmully and I forget the Barkley, who goes on with Candace Owens.
Just come out and be honest.
Just say, yeah, we believe God has told us, just like Abraham, moving out of modern day Iraq and into nowadays Israel, we believe God told us just like then that we're allowed to take this land and kill everybody that's occupying it.
Just come out and say it.
Just be honest about what you're doing.
And so when Kushner is like, yeah, we pretty much destroyed the Old Gaza Strip.
There's nothing left for them to come back to.
I mean, at least he's being honest.
Would you have a problem if Israelis are working to intervene in our politics to help Trump get in?
When Zionists are trying to get Trump in to help their Zionist agenda, would you have a problem with that?
As a fundamental issue of foreign influence, yes.
As somebody that realizes there's a war for my country and I'm doing much better off with Trump in, then I would probably say it helps me with one goal.
So, I mean, yeah, fundamentally, I'm against foreign involvement and influence and money in our elections.
So Sheldon Adelson, the big Zionist, being Trump's biggest donor, and Trump signing anti-BDS laws that are anti-free speech and anti-American, signing anti-Semitism executive orders with Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists all over the stage.
What bills did Trump sign?
I mean, I know DeSantis and Noam signed bills.
Yeah, it's the same ones.
The executive order included the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which a lot of people are talking about recently.
Christy Noam, that's the definition in the bill that Christy Noam just did as well.
They've been pushing it all over the country, all over the world.
Huge free speech issue.
I'd like to see you and Jones cover that some more.
It'd be great.
I cover it all the time.
I believe you have.
No, and I gave you credit that you guys are doing a better, you and Harrison specifically are doing a better job.
Jones has even been doing a little bit better.
I give him credit where it's due, but still.
For having PA on, yeah.
Here's what you have to understand about me.
And I don't hide this.
And again, I'm a pragmatic person.
I'm not a political purist.
And this might be where we differ.
I'm not a political purist.
I can sit here and talk about these issues, and we might both agree on these issues.
I don't like Israelis' influence on our foreign policy.
I don't like Israelis' influence on our domestic policy now either.
I don't like that at all.
I don't like all this foreign money being involved, whether it's Israel or any other country.
I don't like Joe Biden making deals with the communist Chinese, enriching himself and his family.
But I'm not a political purist because as soon as you become a political purist, you're lost on an island or you're an occult.
And so I have to make a pragmatic decision.
I've seen the proof.
I've lived the evidence.
I am better off.
By going to jail.
Is that what you're referring to?
Going to jail?
Who was president when I went to jail?
Biden.
That's what I mean.
I'm just saying, I'm just, I'm just bringing that up that that's what you're referenced to, that you lived it.
And probably the Sandy Hook investigation, too.
You're probably referring to that as well.
I'm just saying, well, that's probably going to happen.
Well, we don't even need to get into that.
I don't think that had anything to do with necessarily.
You don't think that was the left coming after you and Soros coming after you?
Well, I'm not saying it wasn't.
I'm just saying that's a completely separate issue.
What I'm saying is I have no doubt that I am better off and that my country is better off under Donald Trump than whoever the Democrats end up putting up.
And I could hear arguments saying, hey, well, you know, maybe RFK Jr. would be a good candidate.
Well, he's got some things I disagree with too.
Maybe he would be a good candidate, but he has no chance of winning.
I'm just a realist.
Okay.
All right.
Let me ask you this.
So you talked about foreign interference and Zionist interference.
I've been dying to ask somebody about this and get some answers.
Maybe it's maybe it's a nothing burger, but I just, I got to ask this, okay?
It's reported in the news, Times of Israel, redacted FBI documents, hints at Israeli effort to help Trump in the 2016 campaign.
Trump confidant, Roger Stone being told by a Jerusalem contact, quote, he is going to be defeated unless we intervene.
We have critical intel.
The key is in your hands.
This is emails with a Jerusalem contact who was redacted by the FBI, but they said he could be connected to Netanyahu.
And he's emailing Jerome Corsi and Roger Stone, both hired by Alex Jones in 2016, with critical intel, WikiLeaks, possibly.
I don't know.
That's what Steve Pachenek said.
And Trump is going to be defeated unless we intervene.
We have critical intel.
The key is in your hands to Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi, Jerusalem contact.
You know anything about that?
Could you ask Roger Stone what this is about next time?
Because it's crazy that all the, hold on, let me just finish the point.
It's crazy all the Russia investigation, this gets reported and then just like disappears.
So I'm curious about that.
When is the date from that story?
I can't see it.
2020, April 2020.
Well, I guess Israeli intelligence obviously knew something that the election was going to be stolen from Trump.
This is 2016, though.
It's about the Israeli efforts in 2016 to get him in.
Like the October surprise of WikiLeaks, possibly.
Well, there ended up being no October surprise.
And that whole story about Roger Stone having critical intel was obviously a lie.
He almost went to prison for his entire life for that BS.
But I'm not, I'm not really sure.
Can you give me a more direct question here?
I'm asking you if you know anything about it, which I'm assuming you, I don't, have you ever seen that headline?
Were you aware of that story in the FBI document?
I'm not sure.
Maybe.
I might have covered it.
Well, maybe next time ask Roger Stone about it and maybe we can get some answers.
Did you see Roger Stone on January 6th saying he's 100% Zionist?
I don't know if I've seen that video.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you.
How are you?
Excellent.
Vote for Trump.
You know, I'm a Zionist.
There you go.
100% Zionist.
100% Zionist.
It's like if somebody walks up to you in a New York Yankees hat, he says, hey, I love the New York Yankees.
Roger Stone is American.
He loves America.
Look at this photo bomb right here between you and Mike Flynn and Roger Stone.
You guys are in the hotel before January 6th with Mark Burns here.
Mark Burns is a huge Zionist.
We stand with Israel.
You're God's chosen people.
He meets with, oh, he's very happy about the embassy being moved, and that's a promise is kept, and it's biblical.
Like Jerome Corsi also said, here he is meeting with the IDF.
Just, I mean, there's just Zionist everywhere.
But Flynn says that God chose Israel.
He didn't choose America.
He chose Israel, like that type of stuff.
I mean, I get that you're just putting up with all the Zionists because they're just better than the Democrats.
So just that's the, as David Icke says, the totalitarian tiptoe.
I'm not in a cult, Adam.
I'm not in a cult.
I can have political differences with people.
I can have foreign policy differences with people.
I'm not in a cult.
And by the way, that picture you brought up, again, I can barely see this on my small screen here.
But pull up those pictures again because I'm pretty sure you're reporting fake news here.
That picture of Pastor Mark Burns in a room on January 6th is a completely different day, different hotel, and different everything than the picture on the right.
Again, this is a little too small for me to be completely positive on.
Well, it says January 5th and 6th at a hotel, Willard Hotel.
Yeah, so this is all fake news.
That image from Flynn and Roger and I is from a completely different time in D.C. And I'm pretty sure it has nothing at all to do with that picture on the left.
And again, I'm working with Roger Stone.
He's a friend of mine.
And so if I'm sitting in the room and some other people happen to be in the room that are also politically involved that you don't like, so somehow that's my fault?
No, I didn't say it was your fault.
I was just asking about you.
Ask him.
Like, I don't even know if you might not even know who that guy is.
And that was the only time you ever seen him.
I'm not accusing you of anything.
I bet you I like Pastor Mark Burns.
I bet you I agree with Pastor Mike Burns on a bunch of things.
We might disagree on one thing, and that's the Israel issue.
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
Okay, the QAnon thing.
I know you guys had a falling out with Corsi, right?
But Jerome Corsi was a huge Christian Zionist, WorldNet Daily, Council for National Policy.
He got hired as the Washington Bureau in 2016.
He was on Alex Jones saying that he got intel from high above Mossad, and it's a biblical step that Trump is moving the embassy.
But he came on InfoWars and promoted the whole QAnon thing.
Alex Jones kind of promoted it with him, but then he, I guess, turned on QAnon.
So do you guys think Corsi was there to and same question?
Steve Pachenik on your show promoting the watermarks on the ballots.
And then when that never happened and InfoWars people and Jones criticized him, he goes, you InfoWars people are stupid.
What do you think about that and his bullshit about the watermarks?
It's very strange.
I don't think he's been on InfoWars since then.
I know he's been invited, but I don't think he's been on InfoWars since then.
You know, I want to be careful with the Corsi thing.
There's lawsuits going back, or there was lawsuits, I think, between you guys, right?
Not you, but like maybe Infowars and him or something.
Yeah.
And so this is why I want to be careful.
But I mean, I will tell you that I was, I considered Coursey a friend.
I liked Coursey.
We'd been out to dinner a couple of times, and he was very kind.
He and his wife were both very kind.
We talked about very personal stuff beyond just politics.
And he seemed to just go haywire on us.
I mean, like, he was a completely different person.
And I'll just say, you know, you bring up lawsuits.
I was directly involved in some lawsuits.
And let's just say some lawsuits became so repeatedly and obviously frivolous that it reached a point where every time they landed on a judge's docket, it was immediately tossed.
And this is in multiple jurisdictions.
So it got really weird there.
I really have no explanation for that.
It was like a completely different person from the Jerome Coursey that I considered a friend to the Jerome Coursey that ended up involved in litigation with InfoWars.
One other thing with Stone that bothers me so much.
You say he's joking about being a Zionist, but he's been promoting the Kim Clement prophecy, this guy that died a few years ago that said, God will hold up a stone and Trump will be elected and he's going to save Israel and all this stuff.
Are you familiar with the Kim Clement prophecy and how Jones and Stone have been promoting that some?
I am familiar.
I don't know how much they've really been promoting it.
Stone definitely has.
Well, it's certainly curious.
He did predict it, what, like 10 years in advance?
We'll see if he's right about Trump getting elected.
Second term.
I think for sure Trump's getting back in.
Did you see Greenblatt, Jonathan Greenblatt, gave Kushner an award and basically gave the kosher approval for people to vote for Kushner and Trump?
I thought that was very telling.
Really?
That's interesting.
Yeah.
He's like, I really don't care who you vote for, but Kushner and the Abraham Accords was so important.
ADL pretends to be nonpartisan, but that was an approval, a kosher stamp of approval for people to vote for Trump.
Well, yeah, and of course, though, the irony being that the ADL targets all Trump supporters as racists and anti-Semites, and then they go and make a statement like that.
Yeah.
But Trump did say that Kushner would have limited or no role in his next administration.
I bet he'll still have a huge role, though.
That's my thoughts.
And all the Zionists are going to be back in with Trump for sure, also, is what I think.
Here's another one now.
Do you know what this is?
Have you seen this?
This looks like a clip of an old InfoWars clip.
Yeah.
So Jones comes up and I'll just play it and get your thoughts on it real quick.
...for private spies to counter deep state enemies.
So now they're going to be working with Eric Prince from Blackwater and Mike Pompeo is basically going to set up his own team of spies to go against the anti-Trump people inside the bank.
So it looks like they're going full bore and they're already.
What do you think you're doing here, my friend?
Well, I thought I was working for Russia.
What are you telling me?
I don't work for Russia.
Why is Jones joking about you guys working for Eric Prince as secret stay-behind network spies or whatever?
Is that a joke?
That's 100% a joke.
Okay.
Have you seen the stuff from Amazing Polly about the Wellness Network and Blackwater connections to that, buying up all everybody, all the pro-Trump people in alternative media?
Do you trust Eric Prince?
That would be a better question.
Do you trust Blackwater and Eric Prince connected to Council for National Policy?
I don't know, Eric Prince.
I don't know enough to really address that issue.
All right.
Let's see what else I got here.
Do you have any questions for me, maybe?
Any questions?
Anything you want to say to me?
Well, if you, I mean, would you say, do you believe that the Zionists are all-powerful?
No, not completely powerful, but I mean, Congress bipartisan support, everybody voting for more money, more support for Israel.
Our politicians think that they're God's chosen people.
You're cursed if you curse them, blessed if you bless them.
They go and all pay grovel to the wall, even the Argentina president, political leaders all over the world.
Like, I think more than any other influence, it's definitely the Zionist lobbies in America.
Okay.
I'd say that that's fair.
But my question would be then, so can anybody be organic?
Because look, I know me.
I know me, and I know Infowars.
We are fully independent.
We are fully organic.
You might not agree with everything we do.
You might have questions or issues with Alex Jones, but I can assure you we're fully independent, just like I assured you six years ago on your show, and now you're admitting, oh, okay, they're covering the Zionist issue and nobody's censoring us.
But I guess my question is, why is it, or how do you explain Trump being under constant attack, InfoWars being under constant attack?
I mean, where do you think that's coming from then?
Well, they attack, the left will attack you just because you support Trump.
Because it's not a monolith.
There is infighting between factions, but both factions are ultimately Zionist at the end of the day.
And for all the attacks that Trump gets, he's getting another Jewish award from Chabad Lubavitch or another, you know, name your Jewish group every week.
They see him as a messianic figure in the savior of Israel and that type of thing.
And do I think Trump's organic?
I don't know because he's been bailed out by the Rothschilds when he was in billions of debt.
And then he put Wilbur Ross, the guy that bailed him out, the Rothschild banker, as the head of commerce secretary.
Mnuchin, another ultra-Zionist connected to Kushner.
He's the treasury secretary.
Now he's trying to buy up TikTok and the you-know-who takeover of TikTok for censorship.
Trump was getting all these Jewish awards since the early 80s.
Trump's dad was in with the New York real estate, you know, who dominates that industry and is friends with Netanyahu buying Israeli bonds and donating land for synagogues.
So I don't, Michael Collins Piper, who Jones went on his show years ago, he wrote a book called The New Jerusalem.
Also, Judas Goats about controlled opposition Zionist in the MAGA nationalist movements.
But he had a whole chapter on Trump being a Zionist frontman back in 2005.
I mean, promoted with, you know, even Jones recently, I shared the clip and it was big news, viral clip.
He said Trump is like almost antichrist or messianic.
And then he even admitted, he goes, maybe I, he said, maybe he was like unwittingly sucked in to like, you know, this whole Zio-Trump network.
And I thought that was very revealing.
Also on Tucker the other day after State of the Union, he said that he admitted that basically he used to lie all the time.
So it's like, it feels very vindicating to hear stuff like that from me, but I don't know that Trump is totally organic.
When Israel first Sheldon Adelson loves him and his wife says she wants a biblical book of Trump and Netanyahu loves him and there's the Kushner connection and all the Zionists around him, like I don't see him as a real threat because I see the threat as Zionism and all the Zionists love him.
I see QAnon as a psyop and they all worship him like a cult figure.
So that's where I'm at with that.
Yeah, but don't you understand?
This is getting back to the issue of just pragmatism.
If you're Jewish or you're an Israeli or you're Netanyahu or anybody, well, obviously you're going to support Donald Trump.
I mean, there's no denying the American left has a very anti-Israel bent.
Now, you might agree with them politically on that issue, but for them, it's survival.
Only some of the left, only some of the left, a fringe, powerless minority of the left, I think, is anti-Israel.
I mean, Chuck Schumer just came out and condemned Israel.
That might have just been for political points.
I don't know if you can.
Political points in condemning Netanyahu only, not all of Israel.
Just Netanyahu and some of the extremists in the country.
He condemned, in a way, the actions in the Gaza Strip.
But either way, it was most likely just for political points to score with the anti-Israel left.
But again, I mean, do you think Obama was pro-Israel?
Not as much as Trump.
He didn't really do anything much against.
You know, speaking of that, when Obama was leaving office, he did a, at the UN, they vetoed a resolution to condemn Israel.
And InfoWars ran an article 10 times America tried to divide Israel.
We got hit with natural disasters.
Like running an article like that at InfoWars, that if we don't support Israel, that we're going to get hit with natural disasters.
Like, tell me that's not Zionist propaganda.
I'm not sure the article you're talking about.
So it's hard for me to comment on that.
I don't know the context of it.
But again, I'm just speaking from political pragmatic reasons.
Of course, Israel supports Trump.
Of course, Israel wants Trump in the office.
For them, they see everything as survival.
And so they know that Trump gives them the best hope for survival.
At least that's how they pose as the ultimate victims that everybody wants to wipe them off the map.
So they view Trump as a survival support.
And so, of course, they want to support Trump.
I'm not surprised by that at all.
I don't think that that inherently makes Trump an Israel first president.
He sure kept a lot of promises to Israel and didn't do so much great stuff for us.
And here's that article, by the way, just so you know, I'm not BSing.
It's a reprint from Michael Snyder, who's a big Zionist.
2016, 10 times that God has hit America with a major disaster after the U.S. attempted to divide the land of Israel.
You can't blame me for saying Infowars is Zionist propaganda with headlines like that, dude.
Come on.
You just admitted that's not even an original InfoWars article.
You reprinted it, though.
It's a repost from Michael Snyder.
It looks like it says the American Dream, the print is small, but it looks like that's what it says.
And I think that's December 2014.
2016.
America is now under a curse for not for vetoing a resolution to condemn Israel.
So people get their articles reposted and relinked at Infowars all the time.
I think we may have been in some sort of a media partnership with Michael Snyder at the time.
I don't know.
I can't recall everything that goes on there.
But I mean, it's not odd for Infowars to repost somebody else's article.
It doesn't mean it's an exact endorsement of the ideas there.
Well, I mean, you'll repost Zionist stuff like this.
You'll platform Lore Loomer and tons of Zionists all over the media.
But, like, has there ever been Palestinians or like lately, there has been some anti-Zionist people on InfoWars, but they're all Christians.
So, in my opinion, I don't know if you know my theory on Christianity being controlled opposition and Jewish and fake, but I'm really not sure where you stand on these things anymore, to be honest.
You seem to kind of be all over the map.
You should start paying attention if you want to understand where I'm coming from.
I just get confused when I do.
And so, it's just I don't think the audience that follows is concerned.
Okay, a couple more questions.
Who do you believe in?
I'm just curious: do you believe in God at all?
I'm agnostic.
I don't believe in the Jewish God.
I don't believe the Jews were ever chosen.
And the Messiah, the Messiah, is all about conquering the Goyam, conquering the nations.
And they fake.
Fine, you're not a religious person.
That's fine.
You're agnostic.
Do you believe in God, though, a creator?
Not necessarily.
No, agnostic.
I don't know.
But I wanted to ask you a huge issue.
You're America first.
You want to save America in the West.
The Edom prophecy, the Kabbalah Judaism prophecy.
I have a pinned video on my Twitter, which you follow.
I appreciate you for following and for doing answering my DM and coming on here.
You're a good sport.
Bros for life, like I said last time.
But the anti-Edom prophecies.
You don't even have to promote me, but please watch this video.
It's all about their prophecy end times to destroy the West.
And it's so important.
I hope you understand it and can share it.
Who is that?
Who is the Edom?
Edom, they believe, is like Rome or Western civilization now.
But I mean, whose document or whose prophetic message is this?
Kabbalah's rabbis and Judaism, modern Judaism.
It's a 10-minute compilation, all these different rabbis.
I've got all of the citations from legitimate Jewish sources, and it's a big issue.
So I'd advise you to look into that.
I can send you the link.
Two more quick questions.
We're at 5:30, please.
I got to ask you about this.
Otherwise, everybody's going to accuse me of secretly working for Infowars because they've done that since the and you know what?
More people probably call me a Jew and a Mossad agent than you get.
So you should sympathize with me.
You're anti-Christian.
So I mean, it's your own fault.
Right.
Yeah.
But Christianity is Jewish and their greatest supporters.
So that doesn't make any sense.
But here we go.
Big question.
And this is a, you're not going to like this.
It's going to be controversial.
But you don't want me pulling punches.
You want, you want the real, what's really on my mind, okay?
Millie Weaver does a documentary for Alex Jones.
She connects General Jones and IIA Internet Interactive Activities, Propaganda Online to General Jones and Roger Stone.
And it's in Shadowgate.
There was a thing with, I'm forgetting his name right now, but he came in the studio and talked to Jones and said, oh, it's information warfare and this type of thing.
So then Millie Weaver gets fired.
I understand, given your position, maybe you can't get too into that.
But I mean, it looks pretty suspicious from the outside.
Stone, InfoWars, getting fired.
Can you give us anything on that?
Well, that's your opinion that it looks suspicious.
And look, I hope that you trust me.
You know, you say I'm a good sport.
I hope that you mean that and you trust me.
So maybe it looks suspicious to you.
And that's fair enough.
And maybe others feel that way.
So that's fair.
Look, because Infowars is so organic and we don't go through normal media protocols when it comes to the guests and interviews and stuff.
And maybe it's gotten us in trouble in the past, quite frankly.
And I think maybe we're even trying to do a better job at this point so that we don't get in trouble.
Maybe that's a good thing.
Maybe that's a bad thing.
And I could expand on that a little bit with other guests that just aren't allowed on other shows for certain reasons.
But here's what I'll say about the Millie Weaver situation.
Again, it's odd to me.
I always got along with Millie.
I never had any problems with Millie.
And then all of a sudden, she just started.
Let me put it to you this way: Millie Weaver had wild conspiracy theories about me.
I'm no fan of her.
And she and she made things up about me.
And again, at the end of the day, what can you trust more than yourself, right?
I mean, maybe there's a little room for doubt on anything outside of your own experience and your own consciousness, right?
So she teamed up with Tor, too, who was like a total grifter con artist.
And her husband is a Freemason, too.
I saw that revealed, which another question.
Our girl, Prison Palace, wanted me to ask this.
There's rumors that Chase Geyser, the new crew guide, Infowars, is a Freemason.
Can you confirm or deny that?
I'm not going to talk about that.
I would not put, I would not invest too much energy or time into that, quite frankly.
And as far as Millie Weaver's husband, again, you're just wasting your time on that issue.
It's not a big issue, too.
I was just, I threw it out there.
I'm not a fan of her anyway.
Anybody that's curious, I'm just saying, because look, I don't want to come on here and insult people.
All right.
If you and I want to get into it, that's fine.
That's fair.
We're brothers for life.
I don't want to come on here and insult people.
Beard bros.
Beard bros for life.
Got it.
I'll answer your question.
I never had problems with Millie, but in my mind, she just went kind of crazy.
She made some bad decisions professionally.
And that's why she no longer works at InfoWars.
It has nothing to do with a conspiracy or there's no reason to be suspicious.
And that's what I'm saying.
Like, we don't burn people on the way out.
We don't burn people.
I'm not here to air dirty laundry.
Millie Weaver made up wild things about me.
You want to share what she said about you?
I'm not aware of them.
I mean, if you don't want to, you know, expand the rumors.
She would make wild accusations about me.
And in one case, I had to just completely prove her wrong.
And it just showed that she was just making things up.
Again, I don't even want to give it any air.
I don't want to give it any time because I have no problem with Millie.
She can make things up.
She can make her own decisions.
She's an adult.
And where her career goes after those decisions is where it goes.
But I would just to answer your question, there was nothing suspicious about it.
If it seems suspicious with the timing and that stuff, perhaps I could understand why.
But there were decisions made.
There were bad decisions made.
There were bad accusations made.
And for whatever reason, man, sometimes people come into InfoWars and they just go nuts.
And I guess I could understand that because there is a lot of pressure in that building, not just working for Alex Jones, but just with everything going on.
So I can understand people cracking under the pressure.
But I would say it's nothing more, nothing less than that with Jerome Corsi, Millie Weaver.
And what do other people do?
What about Daria, the hub there at InfoWars?
She was a Russian.
Jones has interviewed Dugan, who is very subversive.
And you guys should investigate what he's actually about.
Very pro-Putin at InfoWars.
Also, Alex has interviewed the pro-Putin Jewish broadcaster, the top broadcaster over there.
I see Putin and Netanyahu both as bros with Trump.
That's the Zio network to me.
Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu, all connected through Chabad also.
So people are already accusing Daria of probably setting up this interview and brother Nathaniel and all this stuff.
I've never talked to Daria.
Exactly.
Daria has nothing.
Daria is just a great hard worker and an army veteran.
Just an awesome person.
There's no, you know, here, here's what it is.
And I got to go.
So let's just close with this.
Because of how corrupt things are in the world.
And I get this.
I'm a cynic as well.
You're a conspiracy theorist as well.
You can understand.
I'm a cynic.
I get it.
And, you know, throughout my experience, I've learned a lot of things, and I'd like to think I've grown and I have a better understanding.
But so I understand that it's impossible for people to believe that there can be anything good out there.
It's impossible for people to believe that there can be anything organic out there.
I get that.
And I'm not saying InfoWars is perfect.
That's not what I'm here to say.
But it's just, it's crazy to watch people make all these crazy conspiracy theories or all this wild stuff.
And that's what really, when I went on with you in, I think it's 2018 or whatever.
That's what really I was trying to address.
I mean, the articles I ended up publishing were kind of funny and our banter was kind of entertaining.
But, you know, ultimately, that's my point.
You don't have to agree with us, but I'm, but at the end of the day, we are true.
We are truly organic.
We are truly independent.
There's no subversion.
There's no manipulation.
I'm not saying we're perfect.
It's hard to believe anybody could be good.
It's hard to believe anybody can be true in this world, especially if they achieve levels of success.
I get that.
What's the inside baseball like?
Do you and the crew put ever pressure on Jones to like be more critical of Jewish stuff?
I can imagine like conversations and debates like that happening behind the scenes.
You guys haven't pushed him more in that direction?
I mean, maybe our coverage might, or we might cover something that he doesn't see, or we might bring up a story that he hadn't seen, and then maybe he covers it the next day, or maybe he re-evaluates, or maybe he has a different angle, and he goes on the next day.
But man, look, from my experience in media, being around media, understanding media, talking to other people in media, I mean, for the size and the scale and the platform of InfoWars, nobody has more freedom.
Nobody has more independence and ability to speak their mind.
It just, it doesn't exist anywhere.
And I'm just telling you that from my own personal experience.
Alex has never told me something I can or can't say.
He might send me a news story and say, hey, did you see this?
And that's like all the influence that Alex will ever have.
He might come into the news studio sometimes.
I mean, it's his studio.
He might barge into the studio and say, oh, my God, Troy, or this is going on.
Or wow, I'd never seen that before.
Here's this video.
So I get the ultimate skeptics.
I totally get it.
And at the end of the day, people have to decide who they're going to trust and who they're not going to trust.
But I can just assure you, the wild stuff that people say, there is nothing more organic and independent in media than InfoWars.
And I think the attacks against us prove it.
And quite frankly, that's why, again, I'm not saying I agree with Trump on everything.
I'm not saying Trump is perfect at all.
Plenty of room for criticism with Trump.
But when I see him getting attacked, like we get attacked, I know we're the real deal.
And it just leads me to the conclusion that Trump is the real deal too.
You don't get attacked like that unless you're the real deal.
So that's kind of my ultimate closure as far as why I support Trump or why I continue to work at InfoWars.
And if anything ever changed, I would be honest about it and I would be transparent about it.
But that's just where I land right now.
Well, I can sympathize a bit with you because since I've been online and had some success, there's been an infinite amount of wild slander and conspiracies.
In fact, your boy Leo Zagami, who called you guys Jesuit agents, he wrote in his book that I'm Jewish and I'm not Jewish.
So I should sue him for defamation if I could.
But Owen, I don't trust anybody, but when you're being critical of important stuff and Zionist issues, I commend it and I hope to see more of it.
Please check out the anti-EDOM prophecies.
It'll blow your mind.
It's all legit.
The pin video on my Twitter.
I'm not sure if it's in the final battle, the Europa report or whatever.
No, it's not that.
That's not at all.
Not that.
You mean Europa last battle?
Yeah, that's.
No, nothing to do with that.
This is legit.
You'll see it and you'll know for sure.
And hopefully to help us save the West and raise awareness about this EDOM stuff because it's a huge issue that I haven't seen covered at all on InfoWars.
Also, great job on the beard.
I'm going to trim mine after this because we had our beard off.
And one more thing.
You're a stud.
You're famous.
You need to get married and have kids.
ASAP.
Do it, man.
I keep my personal life private.
And that's smart.
That's smart.
I probably, but, you know, I don't know.
Maybe I like the single lifestyle.
Maybe I already have 10 kids.
Who knows?
Okay.
All right.
Good.
Cool, man.
I appreciate the time and for going over, giving me my 45 that I begged for.
And maybe we can do this again.
Hopefully not in another six years.
All right.
All right, brother.
Good to see you.
Taper that beard right here.
That's what I want to see it.
I will.
I'll trim it up real nice.
You can see it soon.
Beautiful.
All right.
Peace and love.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Okay.
Let's.
There he goes.
He said he only had 30 minutes, but he gave me 45.
Wow, that went by fast.
That was intense.
Very similar to our last discussion six years ago.
What did you guys think?
Let's get to all these super chats too, by the way.
You guys, sorry, it was, I only had limited time.
I couldn't get into the super chats or even look at the chat at all, but we'll get through them right now.
First, we have Rage of the Wolf.
Immortal AI is a mortal owl as in Albert or Alex, just an FYI.
Wow, I've been getting that wrong forever.
100 from Indomitable, Indomitably Based says, thank you so much for the 100.
You are awesome.
Says, you are the best, Adam.
Keep on exposing the agenda that is hidden in plain sight in the Bible with parentheses around it.
And all the people who, whether intentionally or unintentionally, because they wrongly perceive Christianity as our religion, when it's in fact an engineered Jewish hoax, are falling for the psyops.
Yeah, I would like to talk to Owen again about the Jesus hoax.
We didn't get into that.
I just threw it out there.
He didn't even know, you know, that that's where I was at with that.
But InfoWars likes conspiracies.
That's the biggest conspiracy of all time.
And I would love to get into that.
But InfoWars is so Christian.
All of the Republicans and alternative media is basically monopolized by Christian.
It's the one thing that nobody will question.
And I think that means that it's the most important thing that we should be questioning, especially because there's so much evidence that it's a Jewish myth and fake.
And the purpose of it was to theologically conquer the nations.
Another one from Indomitably Base says, please ask Owen why has Alex Jones, Mr. 9-11 Truth, never interviewed even to debate researchers who identified Israel's involvement in it.
When he'll interview clowns with the dumbest theories, no planes, ditto to JFK's murder, Jones doesn't even allow debate over Israel's Zionist involvement.
You know, I think that was one of the big issues that I talked about six years ago in our debate.
But that would have been a good question.
Sorry I didn't get to it.
Maybe if we have another talk, I can talk about that.
Jones has definitely shied away from the 9-11 truth and always was reluctant to get into all the Zionist facets.
But he knows because there was an old clip of audio of him saying that, quote, Zionist fingerprints were all over 9-11.
And JFK, too.
That would be another one to talk about JFK Mossad connections.
We would love to see all of that.
Okay.
Appreciate you so much, Indomitably Based, for the support tonight.
Torchbearer for 10 says, Owen, you're right on the cusp.
Come on over to Nasho.
You've already got the Viking beard.
Appreciate you, Torchbearer.
I don't think he's on the cusp of coming over to that.
Mr. Keck says, What does Owen have to say about all the rabbis lusting over the demise of the U.S. and the West?
Play the clips for him.
I mentioned the clips of the anti-Edom.
I mentioned it like five times.
I didn't have time to go through all of it.
I'm going to send him the link and say, please beg him to watch it.
And let's see.
Let's see if that's okay.
Ziofree says, ask Owen, does he believe Mossad behind 9-11?
False flag op to drag us into Middle East wars, five dancing Israelis.
I suspect he would say, because even Jones has conceded that Israel played a role in it, but he also likes to say, oh, it was Israel and it was America and it was MI6 and it was just everybody together.
But he doesn't want to recognize, okay, like who were the ultimate benefactors?
Who were the masterminds?
That type of thing.
Doesn't want to go there.
Appreciate you, Ziofree.
Cornpop the Bad Dude says, in case you need more reasons to hate Trump, yeah, Trump's pardon of Jonathan Pollard.
I meant to bring that up, actually.
Not just that, but Charles Kushner and a bunch of other Zionists that Trump pardoned.
Just another, I mean, there's so much Zionist stuff about Trump.
I'd have to spend three hours to cover all of it.
Liam T. Jarrett for five.
What's up?
Liam says, Trump could have kept Owen out of jail with a pardon and did not.
How can he support him still?
I'm not so sure that Owen was charged before Trump was out of office.
I think they might have charged him a year or two later, actually.
So I don't know if that would have been a valid question.
But appreciate you, Liam T. Jarrett.
I thought of it, I almost, it was on the tip of my tongue.
I was going to ask him, like, how do you feel about Trump setting up January 6th, leading them into a trap, possibly?
Provocateurs there.
Because, I mean, he spent, I think he spent two months in prison over that or two months in jail.
He alluded to it, but we were short on time, and I had other things that I wanted to get to.
I do give him so much credit for coming into the lion's den once again.
I should have meant to say lion's den at the beginning because that's how I introduced him six years ago when he came down.
He said, you're coming into the lion's den.
That's why the thumbnail has the lions.
But he's like I said, I got a soft spot for him because he's a good sport because he does come in and field all these questions for me.
And because he's been more critical.
I mean, everybody's talking about Jews and Zionism in Israel right now.
So it's a little safer.
And it's almost like if you don't talk about it, everybody would, you know, be suspicious and lose more credibility.
But he gave us his take.
And if they're speaking more truth, you know, I want to see more of that.
So, you know, you want to encourage it.
Ziofree says, Adam, is Al Bishai okay?
Haven't seen him on lately.
Yeah, Al will be back on.
I went a long time with not having any guests.
I was just doing solo shows.
He's actually hosting spaces on X like every day, long spaces.
I just did like an eight-hour space with him two days ago, and I've been joining quite a few of his spaces.
So if you guys are on X, sub to Al and join us in those spaces.
We have a good time in there.
The Ministry of Truth says, interesting to see Owen back on.
Wish he could have talked longer.
Good work, though.
Yeah, I feel like I bombarded him with so much interrogation.
I gave him like a hardcore interrogation and didn't really allow him too much time to respond.
But if we had more time, it would have been a lot more laid back.
Still the hard questions, but I would have let him, you know, speak a little longer.
And Ministry of Truth, by the way, I did a stream on the end time stuff recently, tried to get into as much as I could.
Okay, thank you, Ministry of Truth, for sharing that.
You guys check that out if you want to hear his takes on End Times prophecies.
A lot of people are talking about the Red Heifers again, although I've been covering that for a long time.
That story's been going around.
And they have a new, I think it was CBS did a special on the new altar that they have set up to sacrifice the red heifer.
So I actually, I'll have to cover that on an upcoming show, maybe on Monday with Primordial Chaos.
We'll cover that.
I don't know what sometimes my hair, like one hair separates from the rest.
It bothers me.
Let me see.
I think that's it.
We're going to keep it under 50 minutes so more people will click on this and check out the debate.
The last time he was on, it was a huge video.
It had like, I think, 100,000 views before it got banned.
Everybody was talking about it.
Everybody was mirroring it and speculating about it.
And let's see, what am I doing?
Before we close it out here, let's see the rest of the schedule.
Owen, return to the lion's den.
Oh, I'm going to be on a show, Gunnar.
I'll share the link when it happens on Friday.
I might stream tomorrow.
Maybe not.
Monday, we got Primordial Chaos 27th next Wednesday.
We're going to be on the kill stream with an epic panel.
A bunch of people are going to be there.
It should be great.
And then the next day on the 28th, I'm having the piano man, the foundry, I think his name is.
He has a bunch of satirical piano songs.
He's critical of Jews and that type of stuff too.
He has some songs about Jews.
He's recently been fired from his job at a church because of his music online.
Exposeflyers.com says, do you actually believe whites will ever be free from Jewish globalists if they remain Christian, even if whites are right-wing anti-Jewish Christians?
Because Christians have been expelled Jews before.
I don't think that'll ever happen again, Expose flyers.
Because there's so many Christian Zionists now, even if you convince every Christian to be anti-Jewish, if their main grievance is the Jews killed Jesus and they're the synagogue of Satan, they're going to be protected by all, they're never going to get over the hump.
There'll always be the Christian Zionists to have more sympathy and protect them and hate speech laws, and the left also will protect them.
So I don't see that ever happening.
When that happened in history, it was you'd have a monarchy that was religious, Catholic usually, and the whole country was Catholic.
And there were no Christian Zionists.
There were no communist leftists.
They didn't have a cabal control over the media.
So I don't see that ever happening.
Foundring's original classic is in the chat.
Thank you, death to Abrahamism.
I don't see that ever happening in any talk, any Christians bragging about the expelling them in the past or talking about doing it again only is the pretext for them to pass more laws and more sympathy and to paint us as the villains and to increase their victim status.
That's why I don't think we're ever going to defeat Jews with worshiping the Jew, with believing that they were ever chosen by God by believing in the God of Israel.
I don't think it's going to work.
And people say all the time, well, we'll just team up and have an alliance and unite and put our differences aside.
And then when we win, we can straighten it out.
I don't think we're ever going to win playing the dialectical antithesis role in the Judeo Matrix.
And I've been so clear about that.
And I think I'm going to be vindicated on that.
We will see.
Anyway, you guys have been great today.
Hope everybody liked it.
Can't wait to see what everybody has to say in the comments.
I love you all.
You're the best.
I wonder if the SPLC will do another article.
They basically use this 2018.
They use this debate to attack InfoWars and make them look anti-Semitic, just even though he was debating me and I was attacking them.
It was really weird.
Jumman Bass World says, I've seen back and forth arguments about tactics of how to address the topic without turning people off, but I've seen over and over, it's almost always the Christians that get angry, insult you while you're being polite.
Absolutely.
They have ad hominem, they have lies, they have copes, and we're actually, I see the tide turning.
We are winning the battles.
And we are, even if we don't have the quantity, we don't have more likes, we are definitely winning the debate with quality.
And I mean, we're winning all these debates I've been having online as well.
Nobody's come out and debunked any of this stuff we're saying.
First, they ignore you, then they attack you, and then you win, that type of thing.
And I mean, it's not that hard of a sell.
I mean, Christianity is already in rapid decline.
It's not that hard to convince people that it's a myth.
And then everybody knows that it's Jewish, so it's a Jewish myth.
If Christianity, if we can wake people up that it's a Jewish myth, there won't be as many Christians.
There won't be as many Christian Zionists, and they won't have as much.
We won't have the Zionist problem that we have in America.
It's really quite that simple.
Optics Prime says no religion is higher than the truth.
Exactly.
That's why we're going to win because lies and falsehoods and enabling them and dancing along with their delusions and mirroring their craziness is not going to get us into the end zone.
It's not going to get us over the finish line.
Thank you, Optics Prime.
All right, we're going to wrap it up.
I just realized that I had neglected the Rumble super chats.
Didn't even look at the Rumble chat the whole time.
And there's a few of these I want to get to.
Renegade beat NWO for 10 says, this may be a dumb question, but is Europa the last battle all BS?
You know, I know it's very Christian-bent, so I'm going to disagree with a lot of it because of that, but I haven't watched it for a few years.
I've been meaning to go back and see and see it again.
Always bringing the fire content, AG.
You and Dawson are top tier.
Hope all is well.
Hey, I just had a great rematch with Owen Schroer.
I thought went well.
Hopefully he wasn't too insulted and offended by it.
Clap Trapism for five says Market Goldfinch seems to be tied to the creation of QAnon.
I've never heard of Goldfinch.
Marcus was allegedly with Alex Jones and Joe Rogan for that podcast where Alex said Q was in the studio and Alex knows who Q is.
Marcus Goldfinch.
I don't know how I've never heard of that name.
I'll have to look them up.
If you can, send me an email, no morenews at protonmail.com, clap trapism, about that guy, because I've seen a lot of people speculate on who's behind QAnon, but I've never heard that name.
Okay, let's see.
Clap Trapism says, as an appendant, as an independent journalist, what is the best way to prove mass shootings are not hoax propaganda?
Is there any crime scene photos available with FOIA requests?
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
Every single event that happens, people say, is a hoax.
People believe all types of retarded, delusional, schizophrenic stuff online.
So unless there's really, really, really good overwhelming evidence, I wouldn't believe these conspiracies.
Claptrapism says, have you met Marcus Goldfinch?
Can you have him on as a guest?
Sorry, I didn't get to that claptrapism.
Okay, I don't know if I missed any because it only scrolls so far, but sorry if I missed any super chats on Rumble.
It was an intense, short discussion, so I wasn't able to look at the chat.
You guys are awesome.
I love you all.
See you back again very soon.
Everybody have a nice night and take care.
Hope you enjoyed the Owen Schroer rematch.
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