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March 12, 2019 - Know More News - Adam Green
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Lifting the Veil on Big Tech, Censorship, & Neverland
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Adam Green here with No More News.
It's March 11th, 2019, and I'm joined with my pal Nathan over at Lift the Veil.
He has been under recent attack on his YouTube channel, getting strikes, not being able to stream.
So we're gonna talk about that and some random topics of latest news.
So Nathan, thanks for coming on to uh chat with us.
Tell us about uh what's going on with your YouTube channel.
Hey, thanks for having me, Adam.
It's good to be on your show.
Um well, I've just been hit by a mass flagging or mass strike.
Um they just took down after not having a strike on my channel for some time, um, all of a sudden, I think starting Friday night it was, I started getting strikes on videos.
I started having videos pulled down, and I was pretty sure they were gonna delete my channel so far.
They've uh taken down eight videos in the last few days, and uh uh combined it into two strikes.
Um all the videos for harassment and bullying, okay.
And they've combined it into two strikes.
The first one was supposedly that new warning strike, and now I'm on the strike that has me off the air for a week, but so far every day there's another video added to the list, um, although they're not adding strikes.
So um, and the I think that where this came from, it could be the vaccines, because I definitely have been talking about vaccines.
Um, but also it was just in the news that vaccines are being uh YouTube is addressing vaccines, right?
Or was that Facebook is getting rid of vaccines?
Everybody, you know, Pinterest got rid of a vaccine search from Facebook, and then there are all these articles about how they're trying to make vaccines mandatory, and there's this huge measles outbreak, and and I'm not uh anti-vaccine channel.
I don't get into it, but because it was in the news that they're shutting down stuff about vaccines, I went into why people say that vaccines cause autism, or why people say that vaccines are dangerous and what the scientific data is to back that up, and there's quite a bit of data to show that vaccines you know can be dangerous, and uh I think people should be able to talk about it.
And even though those videos got you know a lot fewer views than my normal videos because I think they do suppress it, uh, I still thought it was important to talk about.
So that was one of the topics definitely recently, and then I think uh what they did is I this guy wrote an article, this guy, Andy Parker, who is the father of a shooting victim.
Uh if you remember, this person was shot on live TV, this reporter, Allison Parker, and then anyway, it was uh it was a shooting that had a lot of strange things about it.
I'll put it that way.
And this father just came out with an article saying how there are all these conspiracy theory videos saying that shooting was fake and their targeted harassment and bullying of him, and he shouldn't even have to complain to YouTube for these videos to be deleted.
Basically, he says he said flagging the videos is a step too far.
I mean, literally, he's like, everything needs to be shut down.
So I just reported on his article and then showed videos from the mainstream news of him appearing in interviews and this girl's um alleged boyfriend appearing in interviews, and how every comment on those videos said it was fake, said they were actors.
You know, it wasn't me saying it.
I I was just pointing out that this guy was saying conspiracy theorists are causing people to think things are not real or that this shooting didn't happen.
And I just point out look, you don't need the conspiracy theorists.
Everybody thinks it's fake, and they're that's on the mainstream news articles.
So anyway, I I really think they were unhappy that I touch on that subject.
Um I think some organization like the Honor Network, which involves Lenny Posner, uh may be involved in this, but but but really the videos they deleted, at least three of them are from 2016.
Um others are from 2017.
Most of the videos, I believe at least five of them were set to private for over a year.
Wow.
Yeah.
So these are videos that don't exist on the internet.
And they're set that way because when I made the videos, they weren't against the rules.
You know.
I mean, it used to be different rules, and now they've tightened it and tightened it and tightened it.
So what I do, I could go back and hide all, you know, set to private, not even unlisted or anything.
And and this is how crazy it is.
If you have a video set to private, first of all, I can't review more than half of the videos.
I can't even look at them.
And then if the appeal is rejected, I appeal to everything and the appeal's already been rejected.
If I wanted to have somebody else review it, like a trusted flagger, which is one thing I've done before is I there's a guy on Twitter who, if you get an appeal rejected, you can get like a final review by one of these guys.
And because the videos are set to private, he can't even see it.
I mean, literally nobody can see the damn videos, and I got taken down for bullying and harassment.
I mean, you know, so um it's they could have easily deleted my channel, so I'm you know, just going based on the evidence.
I guess they're not going to do that, but uh there's no guarantee when I get back on the air that they might not just do it again.
Uh so uh a couple things I wanted to point out is that they just enacted a new uh striking system, and that's YouTube, and uh it's one strike, or first you get a warning, and then the first strike you can't stream or you can't post anything for a week, and then a second strike, I guess, before a certain amount of time expires, then you can't stream for two weeks, and then third strike, you're out.
So now they just hand out strikes after you get a warning, and then they could just keep you like perpetually down if you're always just all it takes is one strike, and you can't even let everybody know that you got a strike.
That's that's very concerning.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
So they changed the system so that you don't get the 90-day live streaming ban anymore, which was really owner.
I mean, that was a ridiculous that was really a ridiculous thing that you had to not live stream for 90 days, even though you can upload, which is the state your channel's in.
Thanks.
And premiere, you can still premiere and you can still premiere.
Yeah, but uh I I've just done served my three months for a strike I got on one of my videos from 2014 about Glenn Beck being a Zionist, and that got me a strike that got me a three-month uh suspension from no live streaming, and it expires in just a few days.
Wow.
Well, it's great you're gonna have it back, and then they won't be able to do another 90-day ban.
But man, what so where did when you got that strike, did you have where did it come from?
What do you think happened?
I was being hit by a bunch of them all at once when I was putting up my my documentary that I had been plugging and working on for like a year, and uh, and you said you got eight strike eight videos taken down so far, and were those all one after the other, because I saw that happen to Ryan Dawson one night.
Like they just it's like they write a new code or new line of code into the algorithm, and then you just get like uh you know, zapped, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, whether it's private, whether it's years old, because years old videos never get promoted and shown by anybody.
It's buried in the algorithm.
Only new stuff gets showed up in the recommended and pot and popular videos.
But harassment and bullying, you and me are harassed and bullied with slander and defamation and doxing and all this stuff, and nothing happens, but you know, you have some videos where you're trying to cover like major politicized events and they they take you down, which another one more other point I think I want to talk about you is uh these issues, like now highly politicized events like uh you know, huge on the news, you we're not allowed to question anymore.
That's that's how what's slowly changing is it's like uh Sandy Hook and Alex Jones set the precedent now.
Parkland, like you know, David Hogg videos uh YouTube was taking down and blocking and stuff.
They're setting it up where we can't question official narratives at all, not even on YouTube, which was one of the only places we ever had, really.
Yeah, yeah.
And and um this is the thing.
I know we might have we were maybe gonna talk about Tim Poole, but Tim Poole on this Interview uh with with Ruben with Dave Rubin, he basically said, Well, he said YouTube is the best, and YouTube doesn't, you know, seems to allow stuff to stay up, and it's a meritocracy, and the good the cream rises to the top and so forth.
And uh that's not true.
It's not true, and they say it's not true.
They say they're gonna take videos that they consider conspiracy theories, and they're not gonna recommend them anymore.
And 9-11 conspiracy theories, which we all know what that's relating to, you know, that instantly goes to the anti-Semitic tropes.
Yeah, right, right, exactly.
Well, and and who who was it when you had Bolan on your show, the shows would just instantaneously go to limited state, right?
Exactly, yeah.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure his name is uh is flagged for for watching.
And I think they've got clips flagged too.
Like, you know, these these videos exposing like dancing Israelis or old footage and stuff, like they have that the machine learning algorithms, artificial intelligence, have those marked, and whenever we put those in a video, like they'll put that 9-11 uh encyclopedia Britannica blurb underneath it, whether you put anything in the title or not, or use any keywords or not, they still find it.
Yeah, that that is creepy.
It is creepy that if you bring up a topic in a show and you don't even think about the fact that you brought it up, maybe like Sandy Hook or like 9-11, then all of a sudden you get one of those disclaimers underneath.
Yeah, it's it's um they're definitely I mean, look, it makes sense.
They you can go on a YouTube video and you can press the uh CC, the closed captions, and you can say auto-generated closed captions, and there's pretty much everything you said, so it's not you know, them to look at what you said.
It's already right there, it's already being translated into words, and then they have some kind of algorithm that sorts through it.
But yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what happens in situations like this, where one channel gets targeted and they just go through.
I don't know if someone's watching the videos, if someone if they because I just don't know.
I mean, one of them was about how they were they were block banning people from Discord.
I said it's called Learn More.
Uh the Discord purge, it isn't just neo-Nazis.
I literally just talked about how people were being banned from Discord.
That one got um taken down.
Um so there's you know I don't know if they're looking for titles or if they're looking for uh I I have no idea, you know, that's the biggest problem.
Um, that's one of the biggest problems, is we don't know.
They don't tell you what was bullying and harassment, so you don't know how to defend yourself against it.
Um and then you have other things going on.
You have other people on the internet saying all kinds of shit on their YouTube channels that doesn't seem to create a problem.
So it's really like arbitrary selective in enforcement, no rhyme or reason to it, and they do an awful job, not even an awful job.
They do no job, they don't explain to you what in your video you actually said and what how that violates what policy.
They never do that.
There's no accountability for this.
It's it's totally lawless.
Call it community standards, but it's not the community community deciding these things.
A lot of these videos probably have you know 95 plus percent thumbs up ratios, and it doesn't matter, it still gets taken down.
Even if you just have a small handful of down votes, you can still get taken down.
Uh, before we I want to get into shift into the Tim Pool and censorship, but before we do that, I want to hit all the places uh uh to finish off your censorship where people can find you, and uh, you know, when any when somebody's under attack, we have to look out for one another, so they can't knock us all down at once one by one.
So lift the veil is the main channel.
Yeah where you can't stream for another week, maybe maybe longer, right?
Well, right now, yeah, right now, I believe um it should be like five more days.
So by the weekend, I'm supposed to be able to come back.
So, but we'll see.
I'll just have to keep monitoring it.
So if you're not already lift the veil, the main channel, and then uh the backup channel is Lift the Veil 2, and you spelled that wrong, by the way.
Well, yeah, I'm right.
All right, and uh and also lift the veil live.
Looks like you've uh you've started these a while ago and already have a little bit of uh of a base setup there.
Um you've been doing videos showing like uh screenshots and and screen records of all the videos that are getting flagged and and all that stuff for so for people to find uh deeper details in this.
Yeah.
And then of course you're always streaming alright, not there yet.
And what is this?
Oh, this is lift the veil too.
On Twitter, lift the veil 411, lift the veil info.
What it is, and over at Twitch, you're still streaming at Twitch, right?
Yep, Twitch, Twitch, you know, if if people, yeah, twitch.tv slash lift the veil 411 or download the Twitch app, look for lift the veil, and if you follow me there, you'll get notifications on your phone.
Um, and that's where I do uh longer shows, and I go into I do a lot of the prep for the YouTube show, and then I go into the YouTube show, and then I do after shows too on there.
So that's um and th they're owned by Amazon, and everybody always points that out.
But so far, the you can do whatever you want on there, pretty much.
You know, you can show full length shows and not worry about it.
You can say that how you feel, how you really feel about stuff like Sandy Hook and the Parkland shooting and stuff, and so far they they allow that.
So um that is one nice thing about that platform, and people can always find me there, you know.
That's you don't have to know my backup channel or anything.
I'm always you know gotta be there, it looks like hopefully, hopefully.
And uh, and that your sponsor, your uh your t-shirts is truthrevolution clothing.io truth clothing, truth clothing.io that's all right.
Close.
I was close.
Truth truth clothing.
It is truth revolution, though.
Yes, it is truth revolution clothing.
Yeah, truth revolution.io, and uh I've got uh some some swag from from Lift the Veil.
I'm wearing one right now, it's my uh Truth Matters, or not Truth Matters, it's my hoodie.
My favorite new hoodie.
Let me show the the full screen of it if I can find it here.
My my new hoodie, super soft, I love it.
I've been wearing it a lot every day.
And um I've also got the truth matters shirt, I like that one a lot.
Every time I it's it's in the wash right now, or else I'd I'd have it on.
Every time I wear it, somebody guaranteed somebody tells me nice shirt and ask ask what it's about.
You also got uh what is uh uh vagabond shirt?
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So if you guys want to show how you support his show and also help me out, you know, I'd like to be able to help.
I'd like to be able to have partnerships with channels because you know, we're we support free speech.
We'd like to um we we'd work with anybody who we think is on the same page and telling the truth and stuff.
So we're still building that.
You know, it's one way we we're just trying to make things work on YouTube.
I mean, I don't know if you're the same as me, but we're not monetized and you know, um and then we can't guarantee we're gonna be on the form forever.
So gotta come up with creative solutions.
And anyway, we have a lot of fun with it.
It's cool.
And if the t-shirts are cool because it helps start conversations and how it's like a walking billboard, how help spread the message and help support it true independent media.
Uh, if we were sponsored by you know big business and big billionaire funders, we wouldn't have to uh try to, you know, uh push push t-shirts and beg beg for donations.
But uh, right.
But people have to, you know, people have to support independent media.
You know, I mean, people talk about how important it is.
Uh, it's people have to realize, you know, most of these media companies, they don't even make money.
They're just funded by billionaires who want to push their agenda.
So um, and and you can tell they don't the main the thing is like what they just did to my channel, they don't want me to be able to succeed.
They don't want me to be on the internet.
They want to put people with independent thought out of business, like thought criminals.
There's so many people like right wing watch and people on the left that like all they do is write articles about people that like tell the truth about the world and try to get them shut down and and say, Oh, they're getting money on Stream Labs, they need to be shut down, or they're still on YouTube.
And it's it's insane.
It's it's criminal, it's immoral, it's unethical, it's just authoritarian.
Any other any words you want to throw in there?
What is it?
The people are trying to shut people down.
Well, you know, it it it it makes it so there's not a debate.
We can't have a debate about certain topics anymore.
That's what they're trying to do.
So whether it's flat earth, you know, which is the craziest one to me that you can't think about Flat Earth that the globe berthers have to actually make sure nobody can see that because so many people are being convinced by this thing.
Yeah, they just announced that too.
YouTube said that it's 9-11 conspiracies in flat earth that they're not gonna uh show in the suggested videos anymore.
Right, exactly.
And then now with vaccines, you know, you the literally they're making it so that there is no debate.
There it's not allowed that there's a debate.
Same with like climate science.
You're not allowed to have a debate about that.
I mean, they're they're making it so that certain points of view are literally unacceptable.
Israel criticism of Israel and Zionism now, either the uh congressman did the tweet and said it's unacceptable to question the relationship.
It's uh it's insane, unacceptable to debate.
Thank God that the the Democrats didn't uh go along and and you know bow down to the pressure that they were playing.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the good thing about all of this is it's come to the forefront for people.
People are being exposed to it, and a lot of people are kind of rejecting the idea that what Elon Omar said was anti-Semitic, for example.
Like even my dad is kind of like when I pointed out one of these things that people were saying was anti-Semitic, I think the APAC thing.
He said, Yeah, that was a really anti-Semitic.
You know, so a regular person now can look at this stuff and say, What's going on?
Even with the vaccines, like why is there why is it that you're seeing new articles every day?
Every day's about how conspiracy theories of one kind or another uh are creating problems in our society.
They said you're a criminal.
It was a study a couple weeks ago.
I think you covered that one, right?
They said you're a criminal if you're a conspiracy theorist, more probably crime.
Right, right, based on some totally nonsense uh, you know, then based on no data.
They said, Yeah, that's that's what it is.
I mean, it's it's really we live in um we don't live in a free society at this point.
The post-truth world.
That's what the theme was at Bilderberg Group, I believe.
Oh, really?
Post-truth post-truth world.
And you know, yeah, it's the street effect, too.
With all these things that they say, you can't talk about that, and it's just you know, making making everybody want to go look at it.
And I love that it is uh such a uh in the forefront of political debate now about Israel and dual loyalty and APEC and stuff, it's fantastic.
Yeah, it's great.
And you know, I don't know if we'll play it, but this it happened at this town hall last night when Tulsi Gabbard refused to call this thing anti-Semitic, and everybody cheered.
Yeah, let's play that now since since you mentioned it.
Let's play it.
Okay, let me see here.
I'll share my.
And then we'll do the article with Trump's latest about uh okay, there we go.
Here, so it says you voted to condemn anti-Semitism, other forms of hate.
Do you think Ilan Omar's comments are anti-Semitic?
So let me see if I have it queued up right.
Where just because I am a Hindu, people assume that therefore I must be loyal to some other interest or some other but what about these specific statements?
You're talking broadly.
These specific statements.
Were they anti-Semitic?
Uh there are people who have expressed their offense at these statements.
I think that what Congresswoman Omar was trying to get at was a deeper issue related to our foreign policy.
And I think there's an important discussion that we have to be able to have openly, even though we may end up disagreeing at the end of it, that we've got to be able to have that openness to have the conversation.
But you're not willing to go as far as it's like, but I'm saying is what she was trying to bring up was I was something that was was a deeper issue.
And I don't believe that she that her intent was to to cause any offense to anyone.
Okay, let's get back to the audience.
she cut off the applause right away.
But you know, people clap for it.
People don't have to clap at these town halls and stuff.
So I thought that was great.
I thought it was great that she stood up and said she wouldn't say it was anti-Semitic.
You know, and and people responded to that at the same time.
So that was a positive to me.
Um and that's one of the positives of, like you said, the Streisand effect.
Yeah.
And that was that was Dana Bash, too, and she's really uh a hardcore Zionist.
I've seen her a few times, yeah.
Yeah, you could tell.
I mean, they were just trying to they were trying to get the soundbite from her.
They wanted her to call us a war criminal, and she wouldn't do it.
And then that's what the headlines were, of course.
You know, it was just all oh, they tried to make it a hit job, but but Tulsi, you know, uh she's she's gonna be a real challenger, I think.
Um because a lot of people feel, you know, the same way.
They don't want wars, you know, they don't like all this bullshit.
Um the new fresh face of Zionism on Joe Rogan Barry Weiss.
She said that uh Tulsi Gabbard on Joe Rogan was a uh Assad Toadie, and then he goes, What does that mean?
She's like, I don't know.
Can we look that up?
Can we look that up?
Yeah she's really evil, that person, that Barry Weiss, and she's presented as like come some kind of alternative news writer for the New York Times, but she's just a complete shill for Israel.
I mean, just you know, as blatant as you can be.
Yeah, she was uh on the view.
I did a video breaking it down the other day, listing off every one Zionist talking point after uh after another, and even saying, I'm a liberal Zionist.
I'm a Zionist, and and it starts with I'm a proud Jewish girl, but like the double standard that if if a white person were to say, you know, I'm a proud white guy, they go, You're a white, you know, white supremacist.
Right, right.
Well, and people don't point out that it's Jewish supremacism.
I mean, when you say, you know, it is a form of supremacism, I guess, to think that way, and that in Zionism is a form of supremacism, so but of course you can't you can't say that, I guess.
Nope.
Well, you can, but they are trying to try to change that.
Uh Jerusalem Post article, Trump, I would win 98% of the vote if I ran in the Israeli elections.
Like, does he think that this is helping his cause?
Like, this should send off huge red flags for every Trump supporter that that thinks that he's America first when he's bragging about other countries loving him so much.
Have you had any luck convincing Trump supporters that there's anything wrong with Trump?
Yeah, some people are coming around, huh?
Because hopefully I have too.
I just think of the Trump supporters that are impossible to win over, of course, that are just constantly defending Trump no matter what he does.
Well, the ones that like support him like hardcore Christian Zionists that think that uh he's he was anointed by God and chosen by God and he won because he was chosen by God and that he's he's fulfilling this purpose to you know he's the new Cyrus and rebuilding gonna help rebuild the temple and also Jesus can come.
The people that believe that that's like you know, it's sacrilegious to question it and they're dogmatic, and there's no level of debate can change their mind with people that that are really ingrained in that.
But I have gotten a ton of comments, uh especially InfoWars people, but a lot of people going, Oh, I got fell for Trump, and you know, you've helped me realize so much about him.
So we do win some people over, but some people, yeah, there's no never helping them.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, it's it all I can say there's a lot of stuff happening in this time.
A lot of these issues are coming to the forefront.
Obviously, they're turning up the censorship knob to 11 because they're so freaked out about this alternative information, and then the in that ever nobody's watching the mainstream news.
People who are watching it don't believe it anymore.
Um so um it's good that we have this anti-Semitism stuff.
It's good that people are saying you can't question Israel because re uh there are a lot more people who are gonna say, Well, why not?
I don't understand.
Like I don't know.
That doesn't sound very free speech and American and a little hypocritical.
You know, that everybody that criticizes Israel, they just throw out right away that oh, you're a J hater and you're an anti-Semite and you're a white white nationalist, you know, no no honest conversation, just a bunch of throwing out terms that you know that I don't acknowledge and reject.
You know, I call them Zionists, they probably say they're Zionists.
I don't claim any of the titles they like to throw at us, you know, Nazi KKK, it's it's absurd insinuations.
But what do you think about this?
It uh the whole dichotomy of he says that uh the Democratic Party, they hate Jews and uh they hate Jews and they're the anti-Jew, anti-Israel party.
W What's your take on him saying stuff like that?
I I think it's great.
I guess I'll go back to the I think it's great because then people can decide if that's what they want.
You know, at least he's saying it.
He might as well.
I mean, we know that's what he's like.
Um you know, uh, so go ahead.
I think that will push.
I think you know, Democrats are against Trump, and if Trump is and the Republicans, which is what it is now, are all pro-Israel and pro Netanyahu's government in particular, there are going to be more people on the left who are willing to be against that.
And and and you know, Bernie Sanders came out, you know, Jewish, and he said it wasn't anti-Semitic.
He said definitively that what she said was not anti-Semitic.
So that's a good thing.
And as long as Trump says this stuff, well, then people can decide.
You know, it's right in people's faces.
Um, that he's Israel, Israel first.
How about how they get so much more offended for anybody saying the most minor thing about Israel, but like, you know, you could burn American flags and trash, you know, anything, any other country, but when you touch that subject, they Meghan McCain, did you see her crying on the view?
At least made fun of her.
But yeah.
Um at least people made fun of her for that.
I I don't know what her game is.
I mean, why do you think she does that?
What do you think her motives are for doing that?
I think it was crocodile tears, and I think she's just following in her daddy's footsteps of uh being a good little shabos goy that's just serving the Zionist plan, you know, when you hit it's uh you can do well for yourself uh in in this life if you hit your wagon to the Zionist machine.
You just think you so you're for personal gain, then you think, not because of any legitimate beliefs, but basically because it's good for her career.
Well, she's so surrounded in in her echo chamber of of that world around Zionism, so she probably does believe it in her heart that she has the moral high ground and that what she's saying is true and she's standing up for the the victims and the poor persecuted, but you know, it's it didn't it didn't go over well, I don't think.
I don't think it uh helped help the cause for them at all.
Um anything else on that or you ready to shift?
I want to talk about Michael Jackson.
Oh Michael, sure.
No problem.
So I did a video as soon as uh Jackson's in the news because of this Finding Neverland documentary that just premiered at film festivals.
It's leaving Neverland, right?
I called it Finding Neverland a number of times, but leaving Neverland.
Yeah, I got corrected on it.
Finding Neverland is something else, I think.
Okay, it must be because that's what I put in the title of my videos by accident, and then somebody told me it's leaving Neverland.
Well, what's that called when like something in history uh like changes the Mandela effect?
And Ella effect.
No, Finding Neverland was a 2004 movie, so we're not.
Oh, that's what it is.
Okay.
It was a Peter Pan, it was another Peter Pan movie.
It might have been.
I didn't see I didn't click on it.
But yeah, not a glitch in the matrix.
But anyway, I did a video a few weeks back about Michael Jackson showing like his old uh Martin Bashir interview where he was like with the little boy and stuff, and then and I see you did some videos too.
First question I want to ask is what is the feedback been like in the comments on these Michael Jackson videos?
It's surprisingly I haven't gotten a lot of hatred.
I think it's because I've kind of taken a re a stance on it where I say, hey, I understand a lot of people think he's being set up.
I'm open-minded about that.
I don't think so.
Um, but I understand that point of view, and that seems to have gotten me off the hook a little bit.
Um I haven't gone into too much saying Michael Jackson's a pedo, this and that, but more kind of um what I'm really interested in is Macaulay Colkin, actually, because um he hasn't said anything yet, and he you know it's admitted he slept in the same.
And he's lied in front of court for him, essentially, if it comes out now that he has to change his story.
Yeah, right.
Well, which is what these other guys did too that now have come out and and uh changed their story.
But um, there's a lot of smoke around this Macaulay Colkin character, and he has a chance uh to come out and tell the truth.
And if he doesn't, then he's disrespecting these other guys that from all appearances genuinely were victims of uh Michael Jackson.
Um if he comes out and denies it again, then it makes so he's in a pickle right now.
Um especially now with Corey Feldman, who was one of Jackson's defenders, saying now that he's seen the movie and all the evidence that he can't defend him either.
Um so that's one of the things I got into in my videos, is just what this, you know, for example, Macaulay Culkin uh confirmed one of the things these other kids said, which is that Jackson had an alarm by the bed by the bedroom door.
So, you know, he said, Oh, the door was unlocked, the parents could have come in any time, but he had an alarm out there in the hallway so he could stop doing whatever he was doing.
That's all factual.
I mean, the people that are defending Jackson, I mean, are you defending the fact that he slept in the same bed with boys, had inappropriate close relationships with boys where they weren't around their family and they were just around him.
I mean, I don't know how to I don't know how about you.
Have you gotten a lot of people?
I got so many people in the comments of my video, and I wasn't like, you know, I cut was kind of showing both sides.
I showed how he was like, you know, having battles with record executives, and he was, you know, said that it's a conspiracy against him.
So I I showed both sides, but I'll just, you know, trying to cover it honestly.
And people were like, oh man, you're wrong.
I usually like you, but you're wrong on this one.
He was set up, he was this was all framed, they're after money, you know, all that stuff.
Really, people like defending him, you know, no matter what, almost almost it's like because they liked his music so much, they just can't get over it or something.
It's crazy.
You know, uh, it's it's it's funny to look at the difference between R. Kelly and Michael Jackson.
I guess R. Kelly doesn't have the same fan base anymore.
Maybe I think everybody thought he was guilty when he got off for the first video that was found.
So maybe that's why he's treated differently, but there are still fans of his that'll stand by him no matter what.
And with Michael, I'm guessing that's what it is, because it's i it's like a mental block.
It's uh you know, this cognitive dissonance comes up basically.
It's the same as when you talk to people who are Trump fans that'll just never see anything wrong with Trump.
You know, it's the same way with Michael, except it's a it's a lot of people.
I saw a poll on Twitter where this guy goes, was Michael Jackson guilty or innocent?
And it was 50-50.
I was like, 50-50?
That's crazy.
You know, uh uh considering all the smoke, and I I just it's hard to believe.
But but you know, that's okay.
And I should be open-minded, you know, it's always possible.
But he either way, I think we can condemn his behavior.
Well, now it seems like everybody's know that the dam is as broken.
They're pulling him out of uh Simpson's television shows that he was in.
There's like, I guess DJs aren't playing his music on the radio anymore now.
I've heard also.
Um tell me a little bit more.
I know you've gotten into Macaulay Culkin and how he connects to this so deeply.
I see this video a few months ago.
Him wearing his rabbit ears doing damage control on Jimmy Fallon.
Well, okay, so this is uh a story that relates to a big story that I was in the middle of extremely controversial.
It's the reason a lot of people um give me give me shit.
But this thing which was called Donut Gate, um, which basically involved uh whistleblower.
Oh, well, it was a few things.
First of all, there was Isaac Capby, which again, people but but anyway, it's related, okay.
He's he called out Seth Green.
Seth Green is best friends with Macaulay Colkin.
Obviously, we know Macaulay Colkin had this strange friend with Jackson when he was younger.
We know that Macaulay Colkin was abused as a child to heal, he says all the time that his childhood was terrible and that his dad was terrible.
And so there is all this history.
And then um he was tied into this thing in Portland involving uh a donut shop and then the clubs around it.
And you can you definitely do those places.
Um the person who came on my show said he was at one of these locations where it seemed like child trafficking was going on.
Uh had a very specific story about Macaulay Colkin.
And um and Macaulay Colkin didn't respond to that.
And then but then besides that, he's a Satanist.
You know, he writes it seems like there are images of of satanic images spliced through his videos.
There uh the first post on his blog, Bunny Ears, is um uh uh say taking a satanic oath, a blood oath, uh you know, to Baffement.
Uh a lot of pizza stuff too, right?
You know, people want to talk about uh I don't even want to say the word, like there's certain things you can't even say anymore now, it's just like a guarantee you'll end up where you're at, you know, getting all mass strikes.
Right.
But um yeah, he has a band where every lyric was about pizza and he ha wears like the all pizza shirt, and it just really ties in with all that other stuff, you know, about you know that other situation we can't talk about.
And uh Seth Green, there's so many parallels.
The Michael Jackson and he's still holding on.
Do you think he's gonna come clean or do you think he's gonna double down or triple quadruple down now?
Well, that's I'm I'm just interested in finding out, and I'd like to uh give him the opportunity to come clean and and you know, know that it'll have our support if he does.
Um, because I'm sure it's a difficult situation that he's in.
But I'm I he what d does he have to say something at all?
I mean, I feel like he's just trying to not he doesn't know what to say at this point about the Michael Jackson thing.
He's the only person who has a response.
You know, he's gonna I think the reason he can't come clean is because you know, so so often victims of abuse like this carry it on to the next generation and become abusers themselves.
So he's probably in the thick of this stuff that where he can't, you know.
And I see here uh I remember in op an open letter to Macaulay Culkin from Vegan Vegan Mikey about this same issue as well.
Um so that ties in with it.
Yeah, like I said, very controversial stuff.
Uh you know, people could take it or leave it, but it is related and and we you know, we tied Macaulay Culkin to those places in Portland.
He was fee he's the featured he was the featured tweet uh pinned to the top of the page was a picture of Macaulay Culkin giving the AOK sign.
Uh oh, you're in trouble for holding that up.
Oh, it didn't show actually on the screen.
Yeah, you better never put that up or else they'll everyone will say you're in the the third temple cult.
Right, right.
So there's a so this club that you know, this whistleblower you know connected him to as their feature thing was a picture of Macaulay Culkin with the bat with uh you know, the star, the five-pointed star with um flaming eyeballs going past him.
So I mean he was definitely related to this area.
He's definitely obviously uh tied to Seth Green.
So weird, you can just listen to him and w watch his mannerisms and look at him and just know that I mean he looks like your stereotypical uh case subject for a child abuse victim.
I mean, my honest, you know, scientific uh perspective.
Yeah, it'd be amazing if he would tell his stories because he's right in the middle of all this stuff.
You know, he's friends.
I think he's Paris Jackson's godfather.
Right, yeah.
Um so you know, he's right up in the the that Hollywood cult and love to know what the hell's going on in there because um there's something weird going on in Hollywood.
I mean I will say it'll be really sad if uh Michael Jackson, you know, obviously he had a terrible life, he was abused.
If he really was just stuck in an arrested development and had the mind of a child and really was just trying to have sleepovers and just be a kid with with all these children, it would suck that you know, so much of this his name is because you know, anybody can always be uh big target.
The bigger you are, the more people coming after you for lawsuits and stuff.
And I'm not I'm not his apologist here, but you know, it just I I lean towards he did it all and people are telling the truth.
They lied for years and now they're telling the truth now.
So maybe Macaulay Colkin will come out and it'll just be like, you know, open open shut case.
Because they base so much of him getting off before Michael Jackson and his trials based on Macaulay Colkin's testimony.
It was huge.
Yeah, based on his testimony, yeah, it was huge, right?
Right.
And these kids claim that you know their relationship with Michael ended as soon as he met Macaulay Colkin, and you know, he had reached out.
It's just a weird the whole thing was weird.
I mean, McCul Michael Jackson saw him on Home Alone.
It was like, I gotta get this kid.
Which is what he did with other kids too.
He sees him and he goes, have my agent call him and have him come over and send his parents on a vacation.
That's what he would do with some of the other kids.
Man, I mean it's shouldn't work.
But I would be willing to, you know, if he came clean, if he was still alive or or whatever.
I mean, I know we know what his childhood was like.
Um, and he probably didn't think there was anything wrong with what he was doing, and he is a troubled guy.
And I don't know if I agree with old episodes of The Simpsons and South Park and stuff being taken down because it's not their fault.
People can watch it with their own mind.
You know, it's not like they were trying to hurt anybody by having Michael Jackson on.
It's not like it should hurt people's feelings, seeing an episode with him.
Um, but but I understand, I understand radio station's not playing his music.
It's weird now listening to you know, bumping grind or something by R. Kelly, or listening to some of these songs by Michael Jackson, too.
I mean, it does you do wonder.
Maybe listening to little Michael is is okay, but adult Michael is wrong.
You know, he's still the victim as a child.
Right, right.
You can decide when he became a pedophile and listen to his music up until that point.
Right.
And you know, I think another way to look at it is that he was I think so many people in the industry around him knew about all this kind of stuff and knew what he was doing, and they were enabling it and they were covering it up because he made so much money for them, and I think that's the real scandal is that he didn't get away with this all by himself.
He had a whole uh you know support system that was allowing this to happen.
And that's why they're suing him and the whole estate because other people knew.
Right, right.
Well, this is the big story with all a lot of these uh stories of abuse.
I mean, look at Harvey Weinstein.
They said he was surrounded by people who were enabling him, including wet a lot of women, you know, his assistants and stuff, women that would actually facilitate getting girls.
Right.
Um, and the same with R. Kelly.
You know, R. Kelly had ended up, I guess a couple whistleblowers from within his inner circle came out and said what was going on.
But but in all of these cases, it takes people who are complicit with it.
People knew what Michael Jackson was up to.
People know what R. Kelly was up to and could have said something way before that.
People knew what Harvey Weinstein was up to.
You know, these are stories that were you know basically open secrets.
Um the same with Brian Singer.
Um and you're cutting out a bit.
Go back five seconds and start that sentence.
I was just saying nobody is willing to speak up, nobody is willing to be a whistleblower, it seems like, although maybe there were a few in this R. Kelly case, and maybe we're gonna see uh more of that.
Uh I mean, think about how many people have been exposed as Pedos.
You know, Kevin Spacey, Brian Singer, um, Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, um Epstein, the Epstein case is all in the news.
Epstein, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, uh I was just thinking of the ones with kids recently.
I mean, you know, that that stuff is and it's big star and people are having to face this reality that that there's something wrong with with the people at the very top, you know, the people who are the most celebrated.
Right, you know.
And uh Michael Jackson had a close relationship with a Chabad Lubovich rabbi named Shmuli Botek, and they had a children's charity together.
And even after uh Michael Jackson had his his trial and all the accusations, he still stood by him with his children's charity, and he was using Michael to do uh Tikan Olam, which is heal the world, and that was Michael Jackson's message at some point was it's like they were using him to push this uh Chabad Lubovich uh mentality.
Yep, exactly.
And I think um was it this uh yeah, this Rabbi Shuly, the thing he's known for is his book called Lust for Love, which is saying that the the importance in a uh relationship like a marriage is not love, but actually, you know, animal lust.
That that was the most important thing to Develop.
So that's one of the things he's known for.
So he's a weird really weird guy.
But then also um he's he's photographed with the Uri Gah.
David Blaine, you know, some some really um the Israeli illusionist, yeah, Yuri Geller.
I know.
Yeah.
I mean, he he's been pictured with some real um you know questionable people.
Um so it and yeah, uh the the whole Kabbalah thing ties into it too.
Right, yeah.
He had the Kabbalah bracelet on.
Michael Jackson is uh, you know, it's not just Michael Jackson, you know, pop star.
There's a lot of weird stuff that it ties into, and it's you know in the news now.
So but anyway, let's uh shift topics a little bit back to the censorship.
Uh what do you think of the latest from Elizabeth Warren about she says that Facebook, Amazon, and Google have vast power over our economy and democracy.
Very true.
They bulldoze the competition and tilted the playing field in their favor.
Time to break up these companies so they don't have so much power over everyone else, break up big tech.
Uh your thoughts.
I think I think she's right.
I don't agree with Elizabeth Warren on a lot of stuff, but I think she's right.
Uh and I think it's an obvious case where antitrust laws, anti-monopoly laws would apply to these corporations because they are effectively able to um destroy their competition.
So there is no competition.
There is no competition for YouTube.
There is no competition for Facebook, there's no competition for Twitter.
So and if there were, they would just buy up those companies.
So the the only solution in that case is to do what we did to the telephone companies back in the day and break them up, you know, and that and that would be one solution.
Is this ant is antitrust laws, which you know uh that's one of the as far as government regulations or the government of getting involved in business, I think that's one of the most important things they can do, and that it's not enforced at all, and that's because the government is a public-private partnership.
They work with these companies, they want this level of control.
They're quasi government, yeah, absolutely.
If you ever read about if you ever read, I know this is controversial.
If you ever read the protocols, though, they talk about establishing monopolies and how that is you know part of you know a communist world government is to have these monopolies that are also controlled.
Or oligopolies.
Yeah, yeah.
Um so my thoughts is uh on Elizabeth Warren is what took so long for politicians to start talking about this, like breaking up the banks and antitrust used to be huge in American politics, and you know, it promotes competition and uh it and stops you know runaway capitalism.
So, what took politicians so long to bring this up and why hasn't Trump said this?
And do you and I'm wondering if is Trump's gonna steal this and say, Oh yeah, I'm gonna do that too.
Well, uh uh what we'll see.
I mean, Trump has talked about regulating the internet.
He did talk about it for a minute, where he was upset about people getting banned because really he should be concerned because it's his biggest supporters in a lot of cases that are getting thrown off the air, and it's gonna affect the election.
But I think he backed off because he was pressured and they said no, you can't you can't make speech free.
That's not okay.
And then um as far as people not saying it before, I can't believe they're saying it now, considering how much money and power is behind the organisms, and um I think that's the reason that it takes so long.
I I'm surprised people like Tulsi Gabbard are around talking about ending wars, um, and um uh and I just think people are too scared to go up against these networks um because of how powerful they are.
But I'm glad I think they're mentioning it now in the primary because some of these ideas are popular and they want votes, and that's why you know some people are willing to go against the grain against the it's interesting that she's doing it what she's on the left, and generally you don't think of the left as being censored quite as much.
You think of them as being in charge of social media in Silicon Valley and doing the censoring.
And and uh one other side uh uh tangent here, I'm gonna be doing a video soon on Netanyahu in a speech talking about Israel Israel's tech.
He goes, Yeah, I just saw what was in America.
They the CIA and the NSA would set up something around a university, and then that would bloom a whole Silicone Valley, and he said that's what he did too.
And I'm thinking, hmm, so So Netanyahu just said that Silicon Valley was basically ceded and started by the government.
Right.
Wow, that's amazing.
He admits to that.
Well, the more people are waking up to that fact right now is that the information that we get is controlled by the by somebody without our interests at heart, you know, whether it's the mainstream media or whether it's you know what you're presented on the internet.
So yeah, well, it's that that's the truth.
The internet was everything was started with government help of one sort or another, it seems like.
Yeah, uh, the what I've heard is the Incutel, which is like a CIA startup company helped start Google.
Uh, but um, there's a great documentary I've suggested.
I don't know if you've seen it.
It's called the Creepy Line, and it's all about Google and how they're manipulating search results and the algorithms and bearing stuff and how they could sway elections and manipulate public opinion and all that.
It's and um but it's it's weird that she's doing it.
I imagine people on the right are gonna start going for this too.
I mean, because Elizabeth Warren and the left is talking about uh breaking up the trust, does that mean that the Zionists are gonna start supporting supporting uh social media?
Are they gonna be against it or are they gonna all agree that we need to break up social media companies?
Um well, I wouldn't see the advantage for you know the Zionist or or even you could say Jewish interests because right now the platforms do seem to be controlled um in their favor as far as you know, Zionist interests and stuff.
So uh creating competition where now another platform might not ban people like you and and me and might actually promote the videos and stuff, then that would be a problem.
So I would assume that um the Zionists are are gonna be pro monopoly and won't come out in favor of breaking up the companies.
But just because right now they seem to have an advantage, right?
I mean, right now you it's like it's almost like art of war.
It seems like some of them are being some of the Zionists are being censored, but like, you know, they are also we know that the ADL and Israel are working with social media companies to suppress stuff, people talking about them.
Right.
Uh obviously.
I mean, you know, the only two videos I've ever had put into limited state had to do with, you know, Israel uh or Zionism or control of the alt media, for example.
So obviously that obviously somebody's doing it because you can talk about Muslims being you can say all kinds of crap about Muslims, and you'll never ever get censored.
Although I guess Tommy Robinson's another issue.
You can call for them to be bombed, you can you know put put on a headdress and make fun, but I don't want to get into like a you know a a victimhood uh competition.
Uh yeah, right, right.
But I mean, it shows you that currently it seems like that you know they have pretty good handle on controlling at least to some extent.
They've been calling speech that company.
The right has been calling on Trump to step in and uh regulate social media companies.
That's what they've been asking for.
Regulation, not breaking up and promoting competition but having regulation, which that's who wants the government actually being what if there was no social media and they just like uh uh um not privatize, but you know, made them uh a public service, you know, the internet, the the US government internet where they were in charge of censoring stuff.
We want this to be with private.
I think this came up in the Tim Poole uh Joe Rogan talk, maybe even too, that we want these things to be private, but they need some kind of oversight regulation or to be broken up and be competitive.
Yeah, there are a few different ways around it.
I mean, one way is to break it up because it would be natural then for one of the broken off companies to do things differently than the other companies.
So you would naturally then have the opportunity, we would have the opportunity then to go to a network that did promote free speech because there would there would be an option, and definitely one of those platforms would offer it.
So that would be a a maybe a better option than regulation.
But regulation, I think people think of it.
The government can't restrict speech.
The government's not allowed to restrict speech.
So if so it's not, I don't know, maybe I'm not thinking about it right, but all the people that are really scared about government control.
The government regulates uh airwaves right now.
They they're the FCC.
And the FCC specifically allows all kinds of speech, you know, against public officials, you know, hateful speech.
It's all specifically allowed on our airwaves that the companies are allowed to decide what goes on there.
They are they encourage you to write to the broadcaster if you have a problem with what they said, but they have pretty strict definitions for what is actually harmful content, and it's very little, you know.
The the the restrictions from the government, because we have the Constitution, and we we there there is no such thing as hate speech.
The only things they say are like fake news, even is defined.
So already the government would say if you put out news that um results in immediate harm and you knew it was fake, then the government might do something.
But that but I mean, literally, they'd have to have evidence that you knew something to the contrary, and then there would have to be evidence that it did immediate measurable harm.
So that would, to me, would be way better than what is currently the status quo.
So and I think there is an argument that these are public utilities and uh and could be regulated as such.
So you know I I'm not calling for government regulation.
Decentralize, decentralized.
Like it's well, that's uh right.
Yeah, decentralization would be the real answer.
Um but it's not there yet.
I mean, I'm on bit shoot.
I don't know if you are, but you can't get it's not a competitor.
It's not it's nothing like YouTube, it has nothing like the user experience.
Well, well, that's why it's almost like monopolies are almost a good thing when it comes to social media platforms because you want to be where everybody else is.
If they decided to go in and break up Google and just had split YouTube in two, naturally one's gonna be a little bit more on this side of the political spectrum and the other one's gonna be on the opposite side, and it'll just be like you know, echo chambers that are becoming more polarized, and you're not able to ever have any uh any crossover.
You know, I feel like that would happen.
Good point.
I mean, that's the whole thing with these social media media monopolies is well, you want to be where everybody else is.
So naturally, people would all want to pick one platform where everybody is.
I mean, it's it's very natural, and that's why you know government regulation if they would allow free speech.
So let's say theoretically that government regulation could allow more free speech and stopped all this nonsense.
Well, that would that would be a better solution even than breaking them up.
Like if they just made it so that it's a town square you're allowed to speak unless you make unless they're the clean clearly definable things, you know, threats, um, animal abuse, child abuse, you know, what have you.
Clearly definable things that aren't okay at pornography, if you want, um, but then to allow everything else and and have the that would be ideal.
And I and I don't know if there's any chance for it.
Certainly not the direction we're going right now.
The way that because it's a private company, they're allowed to violate free speech because it's not the government, and they're able to spy and you know, sell your sell your uh your data and all that stuff.
It's kind of reminds me of the five eyes system with the United States, like we have the NSA, but but they're you know, supposedly there's still some Fourth Amendment rules that they can't invade our privacy, even though the Patriot Act basically uh you know eroded all of those rights.
But we have the five eyes, so there's these other groups.
I can't remember them all right now, like Australia, New Zealand, UK, but just recently we learned that Israel was in it too, and they're actually the second biggest of the five eyes, right underneath America.
And what that so other countries are allowed to spy on us, and then they can share that info with each other.
So it's not America do it, and it's somebody else.
Kind of just like another little lawyer loophole that you know everybody is able to get away with that writes the rules.
That's what they you know, that's that's what they do.
Yeah, they they'll just contract the work out to G C HQ over in the UK.
Yeah, GC.
That was leaked by Snowden too about G CHQ and the five eyes.
Yeah.
Yeah, it and uh believe me, what he's and what he said in that he talked about how they manipulate um um groups like the people who follow your show or the people who follow my show.
With conspiracy theories.
One of the slides said conspiracy theories.
They'll inject fake ones, they'll you know it cast Sunstein, you know, infiltrate groups and and cause uh chaos and stuff.
Yep, yep.
And then if they if they farm out, if they or they farm it out to is Israeli intelligence, whatever it is, they can break the laws or bend the laws, and that's and that's why they do it.
And yeah, and then it's all shared intelligence.
So there are no laws governing our what our intelligence services can do to American citizens, because they'll just have they'll just have a foreigner do it.
Right.
Sad.
We need some changes, some improvement.
I hopefully uh it does it can't get much worse before it gets better.
I mean, the next step of getting worse is we're all just everybody that uh is an independent thought, you know, all the of all of us thought criminals online will be gone at once, so we can't you know help each other up when one person gets knocked down, we're pulling each other up.
That's why I wanted to have you on.
Uh one of the reasons, you know, I always enjoy you to come on and uh chat with me.
As well as I love uh joining you and your audience over at Lift the Veil.
So anybody if you're not subbed already, lift the veil, the main channel.
Uh sub there and wait until he's able to stream again.
We got to support people that are being uh being smacked down with the censorship hammer, and then the backup channels lift the veil to lift the veil live, as well as following on Twitter at Lift the Veil 411, Twitch, and Truth.
Let me get it right.
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And uh there's a no more news, what is it, code also?
No more can put that in at checkout, and then we'll make sure Adam gets uh piece of it so that we can get him, you know.
Yeah, we got and the Fed revolution, truth matters, decentralized.
This is you want to help out Nathan and help out independent media, this is the way to do it.
You know, we can sell the truth, too.
I mean, you know, like you said, you get you wear it on your chest, you know.
People you gotta get the word out there, and uh and you see that people react to it.
There are more people out there that are interested in the same kind of stuff we are than are willing to admit it most of the time.
So you know, if you wear a shirt that says something different, people kind of react to it.
So and it's fun.
I have met people uh with with t-shirts before.
It it you'd be surprised how many people I've worn shirts in foreign countries, and they go like, oh yeah, you know, and then we start talking, you can meet people, and it's not just I'm not just blowing smoke.
This really is true.
Um I'm I'm working on some more of uh my shirts too to try to have some walking billboards.
Probably should have done them a long time ago.
Well, never be afraid to advertise for us because you'll get credit for it, you know.
So we want to support free speech.
That's the thing.
I mean, we'd like to be able to support independent creators who can't get, you know, you're never gonna have a uh uh well, it would take a real somebody with some real balls to sponsor you know your channel or my channel, so it's cool to be able to have something, even if it's just a little something, you know, where we can reach out and support somebody.
So anyway, that that's that's where we're trying to go with this stuff.
It's it's uh I'm gl really glad your channel's doing well.
It's gonna be you're you're going past me, it's gonna be nothing but up from here the way things are going.
So that's great.
I hope until until they just got me locked on on the algorithm and get me shut down and de throttled or or what is it, de-boosted and shadow banned, you know.
Um I'm I'm weary of that day when the subs uh the subs stop.
Yeah, well, you know, uh I'm I'm really glad it's going well for you, and you know, just keep doing it.
Uh and you know, when I come back, I'll just hope that hope that things are gonna be okay.
You know, and it and it it's gonna take it does take people kind of working together, and then if we're gonna find a solution that's different than YouTube, people have to start talking about that.
You know, I'm a little optimistic about Ryan Dawson had his channel deleted uh last week or two weeks ago, and he was able to get it back fairly quickly, and I know other people have had channels deleted and got them back, so maybe it's just them trying to really YouTube is trying to really you know keep control of things and sometimes they go a little too far, and maybe they'll walk it back.
So, you know, I'm still here, you're still kind of here, semi right now, but uh let's wrap it up, Nathan.
Thanks for coming on.
Um Doshi Doshi didn't join us today, your producer, so um, we were short on our talking points on our but uh uh let's end it.
That is what it is.
That's what it is, everybody.
It is what it is.
Bye guys, thanks for watching.
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