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Know More News with Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice

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	You're watching No More News.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I am Adam Green with No More News.
	It is December 30th, 2018.
	And today I'm honored to be hosting my guest, Henrik Palmgren.
	Henrik is the founder, editor-in-chief, and co-host of Red Ice TV.
	Henrik and his wife and co-host Lana produced some of the most professional, hard-hitting content around.
	They reach millions with extremely important information.
	Red Ice has conducted hundreds of interviews with fascinating guests on a broad range of topics, giving Henrik quite a wealth of knowledge.
	Red Ice is one of my favorite media outlets, so I was thrilled to collaborate when Henrik was kind enough to reach out to me and have me on for an interview to promote my work of...
	a few months ago, a few months ago, a third temple, Jerusalem, and then just a couple of weeks ago to tribute George HW Bush death.
	for a Halloween stream.
	Henrik, I've got a ton of respect and admiration for your work and what you built.
	You've been an inspiration and a valuable resource to help me and so many others figure out what's really going on in the world.
	So I thank you for taking the time to speak with me and my audience.
	Welcome.
	Thanks for being here this late and ringing in the new year with me.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Thank you, Adam.
	Great to be here.
	Thank you for uh for having having me on and and uh you know you do great stuff yourself.
	Uh find your channel not too long ago, actually, but uh you know you do great stuff as well.
	So uh an honor to be here, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, it's great.
	I'm looking forward to talk with you.
	Um let's start with the with the bad news.
	You know, so often lately we've been talking about all of our latest censorship, and uh looks like you guys haven't streamed for a week here on your main channel where you amassed uh almost 300,000 subs.
	Uh you want to tell us why?
	Yeah, so you we have the second strike came in on December 23rd, you know, just a little pr uh Christmas gift from the good folks at at YouTube.
	Uh so strike two came in unable to pr uh upload anything for two weeks, and I think the channel is hanging in the balance.
	Obviously, I mean it could come at any point where I I always win, you know, multiple times a day and just like, is the channel gonna be there?
	Is it gonna be gone?
	Uh so I had to set up a uh actually we set up one um not not uh was it like two months ago maybe uh when when kind of the the strike started and and we've gotten one strike before which was for an old video with Jim Fetzer about Sandy Hook.
	They really have been cracking down on that.
	Um that was the first strike we received.
	Uh and then the second uh strike that we received, but the first one had elapsed by then, so it was still just you know the one strike.
	Uh but the second one we received was for Israel aid.
	You know, this this Israeli NGO that's circumventing uh national governments and their ability to protect their own borders, and instead of kind of being in Israel and shipping in uh migrants from the Mediterranean, they bring him in uh to Greece and to Italy and to France and some of these places, right?
	So that's the NGO we criticized, and uh that's Verboten, can't do that.
	Uh apparently that's hate speech, so we got a strike for that.
	We appealed it, nothing came of it.
	And that one was to elapse on January 30th, if I remember correctly.
	And uh we received a second one before that first one elapsed, so now it's hanging in the balance.
	So a third one could come in at at any point, you know.
	Um so it's it's unfortunate, but uh this is the this is the issues that we're we're faced with for uh for speaking up for being uh dissenting voice for trying to spread the truth.
	Uh they they don't like it, and they're gonna shut it down, shut it down, you know.
	Yeah, and I know the the video clip you're talking about of Israid, where it's the the young Israelis are helping the migrants into Europe off of the boats.
	Uh I've used that clip in some of my videos too in the the mass migration agenda when that one's been censored off of uh my channel as well.
	Yeah, yep.
	This is what they do.
	You know, it's uh it came in the wake of of course this uh uh sho this crazy shooting uh by the guy in Pittsburgh in the synagogue, and uh I mean it's amazing how uh how they're using those those instances to to crack down on what they don't like because obviously uh you know how many are advocating for any uh kind of behavior like that?
	None that I know of.
	You know, it's it's you have the lone nutter that do these kinds of things, and then they're trying to uh apply this blatantly uh blatantly to everyone That uh shared like you know one-tenth of the same level of criticism that this guy have.
	So they using those opportunities to crack down on on everything.
	If they only did that when it came to like uh other groups or uh, you know, look at the be I don't want to go off topic right away here, but look at the um beheadings that happened in Morocco, right?
	Of the two uh the Scandinavian girls, the one from Denmark, one from Norway.
	Uh the main focus after uh the shock of of this being world news was to show how how good uh the people in Morocco was to say that they were sorry, they had vigils for them and all this kind of stuff.
	It was no what I'm saying is there was no blanket demonization of of that group in the in the wake of that, uh, but it was blanket demonization of people who are just critical of immigration or want the West to uh be able to retain uh their own sovereignty and decide if they want to be replaced or not in their own countries.
	That that that whole group was was uh you know smeared with having the same opinions uh that the guy that walked in in the synagogue and shot all those people have.
	So I mean it's this is what they do.
	They they play dirty, you know.
	Absolutely play dirty and in hypocrisy and and double standards.
	And the censorship has been crazy for me too.
	Uh I have a strike right now, I'm not able to stream live, which is really a bummer, so it's why we're doing this recorded.
	And uh the other last week I got six videos limited, stated all within a few minutes.
	Another video that was four years old, get a sh uh strike and a takedown called Glenn Beck's Zionist Agenda.
	Uh, they also I I'd put up my new documentary, God's Chosen People, two and a half hours, and I was gonna premiere it.
	Nobody had seen it yet, but then it was flagged to YouTube and and censored before I could premiere it.
	So I've been having all sorts of troubles too.
	Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
	I saw that, I saw the video, and uh it means of course that they're in there um how do we term it, manually snooping around, right?
	It's not some I mean, okay, that could be AI, that could be some algorithm or something like that.
	But you know, you remember the Project Veritas uh video, they exposed that and and showed how uh YouTube engineers were sitting, you know, on on uh hidden camera talking about how they manually go in and demote channels that they don't like, they make sure they don't show up in the related search results and stuff like that.
	The way YouTube used to work is that if you have a really popular video and it you have a lot of likes and watch time and stuff like that, uh and many of you that would ascend in the search results for any particular topic, right?
	Now I know that there's videos that we've made um uh specific topics that we've made videos about, and you go in and type in that you know the keyword for it or whatever, and you get before our own video shows up, which has like ten times more uh views as some of these other videos, they always list you know the New York Times and CNN videos,
	Washington Post, whatever it might be, some mainstream media outlet first, and they can have like you know a couple of thousand views in some cases on the topic, and and our video has like you know hundreds of thousands or even more, and it's still get like on page two or three of the search results.
	So they it's all biased, you know.
	It's not fair, it's not an even playing field.
	They already are at such an advantage and we're at such a disadvantage, and yet we can still beat them with the general public in and uh more being more popular and more clicks and more comments, but then they'll put them at the top.
	So in the meantime, uh for two weeks, you're gonna be posting at Red Ice Media is the is the backup channel.
	And you have your your video here uh talking about the the latest censorship and the video that you got taken down and all that.
	Yep, that's right.
	Definitely go head on over there, guys, and and subscribe.
	You want to get the the sub count up on that channel.
	It is very difficult to start over like that from scratch and and just getting the word out about that, you know.
	So that's great that I could do that on No More News.
	I really appreciate that.
	And just encourage everyone to sub to that channel.
	Um you can find it searching for Red Ice Media or even just YouTube.com forward slash red ice media.
	I got that URL now, so it's easy to find it.
	Have you considered like uh I know some people have changed all their videos to private when they're on uh the when they have two strikes to prevent anybody else, uh any other videos getting taken down and losing your channel?
	Yeah, I have uh done that with a bunch of them actually.
	I combed through just the other day and it's been so busy and over the the uh only over over Christmas and everything, uh, but I've combed through back to like 2013, I think, or something like that.
	Um and just I I hit everything that I thought could be sensitive.
	I have not hidden every single video.
	And I mean, I know it's like 300,000 subs, but part of me is like don't want to do it either.
	It's like I don't know, it's just it's like out of spite, you know what I mean?
	It's like I I I don't want to like go in and like you know, jump through these hoops.
	I know we have to, and I know we I know we have to like play this unfair, you know, playing field or whatever.
	Uh, but some of them I've I I have left up because I just I don't think that they're it's not like it's not hate, none of this is hate speech.
	I uh you know anyone to point to any video that we've done that actually is like hateful where we point fingers at a specific uh group or a specific race and just blanket demonized.
	I mean that that doesn't exist, right?
	Uh but it's even not sensitive.
	I mean, it says I I don't know what they want.
	It's just like it's common sense.
	You guys don't say anything that's not common sense and and it's all you know very open dialogue.
	That's what I like about about you and in Red Ice is that you it just seems like you cover stuff with integrity and honesty, and you're just really trying to seek the truth and kind of take us on your own journey.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that's been the goal from you know from day one.
	And I know that we've changed a lot.
	I know that there's a lot of people that didn't kind of you know follow us through that transition back in 2013 14, really, over to talking about you know more pro-European topics and actually addressing uh one of the most controversial aspects of what the globalists are doing, which is you know, replacement population, the replacement popular population agenda, uh mass migration, open border, basically um and and an ethnic way of um uh ensure that the globalization goes through, right?
	I think they see uh Europeans as a big obstacle in their way for their globalized world.
	So I think that they're trying to replace us uh first in that process.
	Then what happens next if they uh can achieve that?
	Who knows?
	Maybe they will turn to Asia next or Japan or China or so, you know, who knows, right?
	Uh, but at this point it's clear that Europeans are singled out as not being able to uh have a say when it comes to migration and these kinds of things.
	So when we shifted over to those topic topics in the beginning there uh a few years ago, it was highly controversial.
	Uh we received a lot of hate for that.
	We received a lot of uh angry, you know, emails and things like that.
	And then as a year years has progressed, I think a lot of people have kind of seen and gotten their eyes open to the fact that it is happening.
	Um and we have received a lot of emails from people, excuse me, that were like first uh reacted like violently and and with anger towards us, and then said, you know, geez, I uh you know, I was just uh triggering me, and I I couldn't you know deal with it.
	But I now I realize you guys were right, and and you know, you're not hateful, you're just talking about this because you're concerned, and you know, they they see our arguments that we're not out to get any other group or put anyone else down.
	I just think that we should have the sovereignty uh to decide what what happens in our own countries, and uh uh and the way that they're using mass migration is as a weapon against European and Western nations in in particular.
	So uh it's been an interesting journey, but again, always been about following the truth, getting the truth out, awakening people to what's happening.
	And right now, I think that if we don't have a Western population, uh a European population with us, if you will, on the side of fighting against globalism, um I I think we we are worse off.
	I think we're stand a better chance if we have the ingenuity uh and the uniqueness that Western man and Western civilization brings to this uh to this battle.
	And again, I think that they're they're out to target us for a specific reason.
	Uh and and you know, not everyone recognizes that, but that's just the the truth, I think.
	Well, I recognize it and I have the evidence we're gonna go into some of it that I've collected in uh uh clips essentially from my latest documentary, God's Chosen People that I like to get your take on, um, some of the stuff you're just talking about.
	So I'm interested in uh in your your journey.
	Um I didn't realize that you did you made like a shift around you said like 2012 or 20 uh 13.
	It it you started uh you started Red Ice in 2003, correct?
	And then the the radio show in 2000 a little bit later.
	So can you tell me about the origins of Red Ice, like your political how'd you get started with Red Ice?
	Sure, yeah, it was uh actually an art project in the beginning that I and a friend was uh was doing.
	We were doing graphics and music and um you know video clips, we're sharing it across a platform.
	I had uh uh gotten the domain name um and you know, back in 2002, maybe or something like that.
	Uh then in 2003 we're setting up and doing some collaborative projects, uh, but I started shifting over into a little bit more alternative news at that point, and I was um very interested in like you know, 9-11, the big conspiracy stuff, classic like 101 conspiracy stuff, you know, secret societies and Freemasonry and subversive.
	Well, were you covering before the conspiracy stuff?
	No, that was it.
	That was the first thing like I really started like posting news to this art the the website that we set up.
	It was actually intended to be used um as kind of a uh more art artsy vartsy project in the beginning.
	And this is when you were in living in Sweden?
	Yes, yes, absolutely.
	Uh and and at that point, uh uh, you know, I just started posting news uh stories, articles that I found interesting for pieces of information.
	This is 2003, something like that.
	And uh just a build-up and and um of the site, there was starting to come more people to it, and then in 2006, I was offered a radio show uh on a on a different channel, like a calling channel that called you up on the phone and stuff.
	It was like early, early days.
	Skype wasn't even out back then, you know.
	Um I th I think it was released like a or started to operate like a year or so after or something.
	But anyway, uh so that kind of um morphed into us doing a podcast uh for many years, again, continuing the conspiracy health topics.
	And the name uh that I'm sorry to interrupt you, but the name uh before we move too far along, uh red ice.
	It it reminds me, uh you have your story here on your about page on the website that it's the myth, the the Nordic myth of creation, hot and cold.
	Yep, the the fire and ice, right in the in the land of the north.
	You have like a creation process.
	And again, I was into like a lot of metaphysics and stuff like that too.
	So uh at the time the name was like, you know, beyond just the myth mythology of of uh the the Norse myth, it was a lot about the uh how do I put it, like the the meeting place between um two polar opposites, like the the the heat and the cold and yang, yeah.
	Yeah, in a way, uh you you can't, you know, you have to be kind of centered between these two places uh to be able to have conditions for life and and really have a creative process take take place.
	So you know, a lot of m symbolic things kind of weaved into the name.
	And uh and now, you know, everybody's favorite TV show, Game of Thrones, uh that's based on the same thing, right?
	It's called uh a song of fire and ice.
	It's pretty similar, right?
	You hadn't heard that though, that that's what the books are called?
	No, no, actually I didn't know.
	I didn't know.
	I I haven't read them, but I believe it's like a s a song of fire and ice, so it's something similar, possibly.
	Yeah, I think they probably have taken at least a f I I'll watch like the first two, three episodes or something like that.
	It seemed to be a some kind of Norse motif.
	I know that they had a I think the first episode was like about an ice age or something, or like a um uh like a Fin Fimbulwinter, as we call it in in Norse, uh like a one of these really long uh cold winters.
	So I think they have some mythology maybe we've oh yeah, they definitely do a lot of medieval uh stories mixed in.
	So I I said in the intro that you uh you interviewed hundreds of people, but it's probably more like thousands, 15 years of doing lots of interviews, it had being an interview show.
	Um you know, you you gain a lot of knowledge talking to all these people and as well as all the research you do for your own uh content, you you know, really quality output you guys do, and and you do all the editing and the research and and the graphics, you do a tremendous job.
	But um my question is so you've interviewed so many people.
	Uh who are some of the people off the top of your head, uh uh top people who like motivated you or inspired you, or maybe like was a mentor or uh that you looked up to that you've interviewed.
	Oh geez, again, it would depend a little bit on what uh time period, you know.
	Uh what's interesting with it is that you learn and you grow so much and you accumulate new information.
	You kind of uh I guess before I even mentioned that uh it it was always a path for me to try to disassociate from conventional wisdom in the early days of the project of like trying to find my own way.
	I was grown up in in growing up in Sweden, it was uh uh kind of a s socialist system.
	It was uh we have something called Yantelaw, which is like a way of kind of looking down on the individual aspects of it which is good.
	There is a I think a healthy which I've learned to appreciate more and more, uh a healthy level of um uh collectivism or like a a um a family structure of the society.
	I think that these were actually some of the positive things of the Swedish system.
	But when you have a uh a hostile um you know establishment and a political system that's using that against you, uh it can be very detrimental.
	So it's been a mentality of kind of beating down anyone that kind of sticks out or anyone that has uh takes a different route a little bit.
	So anyway, make a long story short, I was kind of just sick and tired of the mentality I wanted to um try to like re-educate myself.
	I just wanted to like scrape the the slate clean.
	And one way for me to kind of begin that process of of finding out was to go to some of the most it kind of extreme really topics or like outlandish topics that I could even that I could imagine and try to figure out the really the deep philosophical questions, the mysteries of the universe.
	Is it life out there?
	What are we doing here?
	What the hell is this about?
	Why is things so shitty?
	Why is the world being like you know uh what why is that in the toilet pretty much, you know, these kinds of big questions and try to figure that out.
	So along the way, I've gained a lot of um knowledge and and and certainly we've touched on many things which I I don't I don't believe everything that I that we've talked about or any all the subjects that we've discussed or every guest you've had on no obviously not it's it's been like just a big kind of search of just like uh you know just wading through as much as possible.
	And for some reason at the time, I was just come you know, um it was convenient, it was it was interesting, it was fun to begin in the most outlandish fringe areas, you know.
	So we don't, for example, talk about like you know, UFOs and aliens anymore.
	Uh, you know, I just it's still interesting.
	Uh there could be something to it.
	I think that there's a lot of government uh kind of involvement in those kinds of things, but it was fun to talk about it.
	It was fun to hear what people had to say, it was fun to explore those topics and stuff like that.
	You know, today it's it's honed in a different way politically.
	I think that there's the the there's been a an alignment of priorities that have come in the in the wake of just learning and and and kind of moving through all these things where you realize that like we there's some primary issues that we have to solve if we're even gonna be around to have the luxury to think about the mysteries of the universe or what's out there in space or new technologies or where's artificial intelligence going, all these things, right?
	So there's like a for me a trajectory.
	I know that a lot of people who are maybe more nationalist today, or maybe more uh maybe anti-globalist, even they kind of sneer at that history and like, oh, well, you're weirdo if we're talking about those kinds of things.
	But again, it's just been a very kind of uh natural progression through all that and kind of getting those many of those things kind of out of my system as well and finding my path as I was doing that, uh, and just learning to kind of find the priorities.
	What is important, what do we need to know?
	What do we need to do to move ahead?
	So again, the question you had is like which ones were inspirational and stuff like that.
	The ones that I was inspirational back in 20 uh 2006 it is not the same that the ones I have today in 2018.
	So much have changed, so much have happened, you know.
	So it's difficult to give a name to be honest.
	Yeah, I know it's hard to single out any one any one person, so no problem.
	Um I do want to say that I've noticed that I I respect how you look at both sides of uh of the debate and the argument.
	You'll have one guest on who has it one worldview and then another guest on that's just completely different, and you really have the open dialogue, so it's uh it's a great venue for people to uh to learn new things.
	And now, by the way, I wish we had more of that because that's that's true.
	It's like I mean, obviously, we are not we don't have the ability to bring on like leftists or pro-globalists.
	Oh, we have we have the ability to do it, but they won't come on.
	That's the point.
	It's like we're right now we're up against a political enemy, which basically don't want to have any discussions with us.
	So that's been super difficult.
	Uh again, I think we are far outnumbered when it comes to getting our viewpoints uh out and forward.
	We have basically a whole main mainstream media establishment which is more or less on the pro-globalist side of things now.
	They're pro, they're they're leftists, they're liberals, they're they're just insane with many of their uh political ideas.
	So I think we have to spend every ounce of energy and time and effort that we have to push through that to debunk a lot of that.
	What I'm saying is I wouldn't be interested today of like trying to have like someone who would just parrot a CNN opinion on the show to kind of try to understand them because they're like they have the whole media spectrum already, you know.
	So our job is just to dem or you know demolish those arguments and get to the real truth of the matter.
	But anyway.
	Alright, so um, I'm curious, like lately, what keeps you up at night, or what's your most uh focused issue or something that you wish you could change about the world uh that needs to change the most?
	Like what's your your passion issue, would you say?
	Well, I mean it is it is globalization and and mass migration, which is like number one on my agenda right now because I think it's just so detrimental.
	It's it's uh it's not just uh an a political ideology or a way of looking at life or or an economic plan which kind of disrupt things temporarily, and then you can get a different party in there and you can change it back again or something like that.
	It's the transformation that's happening in the West right now is so it's so radical, it's so extreme, it's so unprecedented.
	It's never, as far as I know, has never happened in the history of the world, the kind of uh suicidal or ethnomasochistic um, you know, uh stance that we have taken in the West right now.
	And it troubles me because it's a it's difficult to say, but what it looks like is that the elite, the establishment, the globalists are trying to make this a permanent change, right?
	That we can never change it back.
	And if you look at it from the point of view of something which is tied to biology or ethnicity, race, for example, then we are if we lose that, if we lose our genetic heritage, if we lose who we are as a as a group in in the West, is just generally talking about the West, you know, Europeans, then it's something that we are not going to be able to turn back, right?
	The wheels on.
	Um, I think that they're trying to homogenize the world uh to be able to globalize it to create a common uh global culture and weaved into that, they have an understanding that, well, we have to destroy nationalism and ethnicity and group in group uh favoritism, at least at least among the Europeans, uh, to be able to advance their agenda.
	And this is something which I'm horribly uh uh afraid of, frankly, because we can see what's happening in countries like South Africa, where whites are becoming a minority, and what happens when a government um uh a democracy is is uh primarily driven of people who are uh in in who have ethnic hatred in their heart.
	I think a minority for any white population, no matter where they are, uh is a disaster because the whole establishment, the whole globalist establishment is by de facto default anti-white, it's anti-European.
	And so it's whipping up this attitude globally, especially among my immigrant populations too, that whites are to blame for everything, whites are the root of the issue, the problem.
	Uh, if we just get rid of them, everything will be good and everything will be solved and these kinds of things, which is of course ridiculous, but this is the line that they have.
	And so for me to think about my my son and my future children to be grown up as a minority in Sweden, for example, is is uh is a nightmare to me because I think that it's it's a system it's gonna be turning to a system which is by de facto hostile against them.
	I think that point we're going to see true racism, like a system which is openly discriminating against people on a racial basis, right?
	We don't really see that.
	You know, the left is trying to convince us that that's the case with white supremacy and all these kinds of things.
	But if if white supremacy was running our world and ruling our world, surely white people should be able to set up a student union that's just for white people, right?
	But we can't.
	We can't uh have anything that's exclusively ours.
	And if white people were were if white people were ruling the world, there wouldn't be news everywhere about white supremacy being such a big problem, and there it wouldn't be so uh popular in mainstream culture to trash white people.
	Exactly.
	Yep, exactly.
	So I I what I'm what I'm getting around to is that I I it's more than just it's not only about skin color.
	A lot of people are setting up this straw man argument that we're obsessed about skin color or something like that, which is clearly not the truth.
	There's much more to it than that.
	I believe in every ethnic group to have their own to be able to dictate, they should be able to dictate the way that they want to live their lives.
	They should not be um uh you know steamrolled uh over with an agenda from a third party or a globalist and elite establishment that uh that rules over them that tells them what to do or how to live their lives.
	I I think that the world frankly would be a better place if more people uh uh lived in countries where they were still largely uh ethnically homogenous.
	I think that that was a good uh a good system uh that we had.
	And there's like tons of you know, straw man organs kind of weaved into that.
	Well, nationalism was the that's what created World War II or World War One and these kinds of things.
	And we know that that's not the case.
	There was like tons of manipulation going on behind the scenes and all these kinds of things.
	But basically, you know, we track and monitor this every every day we look at these kinds of news that you mentioned, just the the slew of accepted uh discrimination and hatred against white people.
	And and just like every day, uh I looked at some video the other day about vo uh from Vox, Vox Media, and uh they were looking at like statistics within juror juries or jurors and stuff like that, and that we're breaking it down on a racial basis and how difficult it is because it's like half of the jury was you know was was not white at some point, and then the disagreements and all this kind of stuff is like this.
	There's a whole grievance industry set up of trying to just kind of uh crack down and and break apart white society, and the leftists think that this is going to solve all the the issues and all the problems, and I just don't think that that's the truth.
	I think that if we lose our our ethnic makeup in uh in any uh any country, any group, any race around around the world, we lose something which is adding to the diversity uh and the biodiversity uh of this planet.
	I think that for us to destroy that or intentionally try to break that down would be a grave mistake to do.
	And and again, as I said, it's not just about the skin color, it's about the the uh the culture rather that's tied to that.
	It's about the temperament of the population, it's about the qualities that they have to contribute and offer, it's about the uh particular inventions that they are behind, or the music or you know, all the different things that uh springs out of the diversity of the different groups all over this planet.
	I think to target one for extinction, like the globalists are doing right now, and open open population replacement, it's it's wrong.
	And and ultimately it's a form of of genocide.
	You know, again, I want to be one of me too long-winded here, but one final thing I want to say on this, and it's I've seen left is and they they ridicule and they make fun of uh uh of people, you know, on the right or nationalists or anti-globalists that basically say um you know, we we're that white genocide is not happening or that we are not exclusively targeted or stuff like that uh or or that replacement doesn't happen.
	We're just sharing you know our countries with other people or whatever.
	But the fact is if you look at the convention of genocide, the in in the in those uh four points that they break down, they include things like if you intentionally are issuing policies which is leading, for example, to the replacement of a group or the uh um decreased birth rate.
	Decreased birth rate, exactly is uh i if there's something like uh you if you're undermining their ability even psychologically, like if you give b basically if you give them bad uh or low self-esteem in terms of like how they view themselves as a group.
	In other words, if there's a pressure on the group uh to say, well, you shouldn't have kids or stuff like that, that's still seen in in the convention uh uh on on genocide as genocide, right?
	So there's all these uh it's not just a direct like you know, it's assault and attack and and violent overthrow that's actually genocide.
	There's many even down to the psychological level here, and clearly it could be slow and systematic, also.
	Exactly.
	And and those who watch the news about all this stuff, they see that it's happening.
	Many people on the left they don't recognize because they're they're not involved in these kinds of they don't they don't monitor and track this like on an everyday basis.
	Their mind is already made up about this stuff, right?
	Yeah, they're convinced that we have white privilege, not that we're actually being discriminated against and and the whole uh mainstream culture is being conditioned to like to uh think that it's funny to trash white people, the only acceptable people to really make fun of.
	So here's an example of genocide of the Palestinian people uh explained by this rabbi who says demographics are all that matter since we were talking about it.
	So let's play this.
	So, how many people in Europe would be eligible under the law of return to move here?
	Three million, four million, maybe altogether.
	It could change the geopolitics.
	What do you mean that it could change the geopolitics?
	The demographic is a key of everything, as you know.
	Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, this is what bulldoze.
	Ten million people, about half million Jews and half million Arabs.
	And if we want to remain a democratic state, we have to have a majority of Jews in this place.
	So you think you think that immigrants could turn the balance?
	Absolutely sure.
	Already if we have the birth rate among Arabs is decreasing, and the birth rate among Jews is increasing.
	So it's already a change.
	The train of history is on its way.
	So it's genocide, right?
	If he says the the the Palestinian and Arab birth rates are decreasing and theirs are increasing, and you know, demographics mean everything.
	What are they trying to do the demographics in the United States?
	Exactly.
	And I mean, essentially, his observation is obviously correct here.
	You know, the only disagreement I would have about this is the way that the foundation of the country in question that they're talking about is very different than that of a Well, I mean, again, depends on how far back you want to go or whatever, but about just this aspect that it's like there's also obviously been struggle over territory and and regions and all this kind of stuff.
	But we know we have advocates, for example, in Sweden again, that that's why I'm so familiar with these topics.
	Everything from Barbara Specter, but there's others.
	There's people who are uh head of the cultural departments in Sweden, they're sitting making speeches in front of uh you know the king and and queen in Sweden and talking about how we don't have a culture.
	This particular woman just happened to be uh you know Jew uh Jewess, right?
	And she's talking about that Swedes don't have a culture, we just borrowed everything and stuff like that.
	And so they're fine, they can have their culture, it's ancient, it's beautiful and all that kind of stuff, but then we have a lot of people from the same group they're advocating against Europeans of having their culture and their be and them being a distinct uh ethnicity.
	So uh ultimately, no matter how you twist and turn it, replacement is genocide, you know, no matter how you twist and turn it.
	Yeah.
	The SPLC that somebody secretly recorded the SPLC giving a presentation, and they said that it had been planned for a long time, this this uh demographic change in America.
	Just it it's sickening.
	And then we we point it out, and they just say, Oh, it's a conspiracy, that's not happening, you know.
	Uh there's too many too many white people.
	So um they're openly talking about the about replacement, right?
	How many times have we done that?
	We played the clip with Joe Biden talking about how great it's gonna be when uh whites are finally minority in the in in America.
	And then again, this is happening in in the majority of Western European countries too.
	There's all these little advocates, um, you know, and some are some are of the ethnicity that were that that uh that is the primary uh group in that country, but sometimes it's a third party, right?
	They come from another country, another culture, another race, and they're sitting talking uh to us like we don't have a right to uh control our own territory and and destiny uh you know uh our ethnicity uh anymore.
	We are if we speak up against this, we're the problem, we're the racist.
	Although they are actually doing uh a kind of an ethnic cleansing over a long-term uh you know projection, basically.
	And then they put groups like the ADL in charge so that they can give cover to Israel and all the stuff that they're doing, and then you know, whenever we object to the stuff they're doing to us, they you know smear us and call us conspiracy theorists.
	So here here's a clip that we were gonna cover a couple weeks ago.
	It's a clip of a rabbi uh uh talking about who is behind uh this uh you know white genocide, uh uh anti-white agenda, and he says that it's true, it's happening, we're right to be concerned, and then he tells us who's who's behind it.
	So we'll just let him go and then uh get your thoughts.
	Oops, sorry.
	The belief of uh people of European stock that their nations, their countries and their cultures, their civilizations, uh essentially on the chopping block.
	That their way of life, their values, the uh societal norms and systems to which they are used and to which uh uh they uh under which they wish to to live, and the and that they wish to hand down to their children and grandchildren, they believe, and I would agree with them.
	They believe that their way of life, their identity as people of European stock and uh people of European descent, and therefore the inheritors of uh European Western civilization and society.
	They believe all this is in peril.
	And this is all okay, so yeah.
	He says we're right, it's all in peril.
	Yeah.
	Everything we're saying is not a conspiracy, we're not white supremacists for talking about this.
	We can play Jewish rabbis backing us up, right?
	Exactly.
	Yep, yep.
	And and there's you know, he he goes on and it's very interesting, and it I wonder how the how does the I mean the ADL, the SPLCs, of course, they don't they don't even touch this, they just leave it alone.
	They just avoid it like the plague and then pretend it's not happening and it's not There, right?
	And I I'm sure they would even maybe call this guy some kind of um neo-Nazi or something.
	I mean, I who knows, right?
	But anyway, he's he he's he's affirming that our observations are correct and it's happening.
	And of course, then a little bit later in the clip, he goes on to basically talk about how they're not the people that are doing this that are of Jewish extraction are not he's I think his argument is that they're well, they're not doing it because they are Jews according to the religion, right?
	That's what he goes on to say.
	And and there is some disagreement there one could have too.
	And I've actually reached out to this guy, and I'm gonna try to get him on the show to ask him about some of these things directly.
	But there are clips with like highest, for example, representatives from there, uh, they go on and and play or play that they um they bring forth this issue that they have had documents signed by I forget the exact now.
	Exactly.
	There you go, there it is.
	Like was it 20 rabbis?
	Yeah, played.
	And we are saying, yes, we will love our neighbor.
	Last week, Hyas organized a letter signed by over 1200 rabbis.
	Can you imagine getting 1200 rabbis to agree on one thing?
	1200 rabbis from highest, that's Hebrew immigrant aid uh society.
	Immigrant aid society got 1200 uh American rabbis to agree to agree to what?
	I don't think it's going to be good.
	From the look of these green glasses, I don't think it's going to be very good.
	laughter But agree they did, and what they agreed was to ask our elected officials not to halt or even to limit the United States refugee admissions program.
	No ultra limit.
	And it's not just high, it's Jewish organizations of all kinds across the spectrum of Judaism are issuing statements in support of refugees.
	These have included the Orthodox Union, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, and so many of the Jewish organizations that you heard are co-sponsors of this event this evening.
	My concern is uh there we go.
	That that many of them.
	Yeah, I mean, and that's amazing.
	I mean, and and and so I think his take that the previous I forget his name now, but the previous rabbi that was very honest about this, excuse me.
	I think he's you know, he's kind of saying, Well, these people are they're not true observers of the religion or what the scriptures says.
	They're not real Jews, they're they're yeah, they're they're following false Judaism.
	Exactly.
	And that's an interesting take.
	I'd like to ask him more about that and and how he sees that.
	But I know that there's an issue with like reformed Judaism and stuff like that, that is a very left-wing slant, you know.
	If you actually go back to the civil rights movement and stuff like that, and there's photographs of this kind of stuff, uh, there's a lot of uh Jewish organizations that were like on the front lines of this of and I think not for not for the sake that they believed in the equality of the situation at that time.
	It was that it was used by both communist organizations, but also by exclusively or explicitly, I should say, Jewish organization, as a weapon against you know white America, basically, to try to start that attack on it.
	And we know that the Heart Seller Act, which is the immigration act of 1966, um it was it was masterminded, if you will, uh by um by by Jewish people.
	And and they and I think that they're seeing this as an I mean Kevin McDonald would say that it's an ethnic um you know struggle, it's it's basically it's revenge, it's uh security for for their their group weaved into this, that if they can um not remain the sole minority in the country, if they can have others in the country, they will not be um singled out to a certain extent or spotted as easily.
	I mean, there's many theories of why this is the case, but regardless, whatever the actual motivation is of it, it it shows that it's being done in many regards uh under under was the term underhand under underhandled underhandled is being done uh co you know as a as a um as a psyop,
	it's being done not out in the open, it's being done covertly, it's being done to to undermine and to harm, and they they say of course it's for because of uh you know equality and all these kinds of things, but the reality is that there's no one has ever voted for this.
	No one has ever had a referendum on mass migration and open borders.
	Or even like an honest discussion, or even anybody really laying out the facts besides you guys and a few others on YouTube, and maybe like uh Tucco Carlson or or Stefan Molyneux a little bit, like you know, that's the extent of it really.
	Yeah, exactly, it's true.
	And I I I want that discussion to be had, right?
	They shut down that conversation as being hateful immediately.
	Why?
	Because they can't take the exposure, they can't take the criticism, they can't take the take the logic of like questioning what yeah, that's right.
	What wait a minute, how can you subvert a whole nation's uh future ethnicity and and try to replace the population without actually asking the population that you are replacing and then and then they come with this moral argument as a way to bypass our rationality, right?
	Well, this is for the children and the refugees, and we have to help these people and stuff like that, while they don't look at the at the consequences of some of that migration uh as well.
	Like look at what's happening in Sweden with these terror terrorist attacks, or many other countries now.
	But you literally have uh children being sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism just because they have this pipe dream of creating a I guess at least initially a multiracial, multi-ethnic, multicultural society, and then at the end of that, I think the globalists are are hoping for having a homogenized population.
	In other words, there will be no divisions and no differences whatsoever.
	But that conversation has to be had.
	That conversation must take place uh i in the sense that we have to expose people to why it's being done, who is doing it, what's the motivation, what's the reason, because it's not to help and to aid.
	If it was, and if they were had victims in mind and things like this, they would equally take into consideration the victims of multiculturalism, right?
	That you have uh outgroup hostilities and things like this.
	You have again what took place in Morocco uh or or that little girl that was like driven over by the uh terrorist in in Sweden who was like severed, her her body was turned into moosh.
	What why is her photo, why was her photo not plastered all over the place like the picture of Alan Curdy was, who was this Syrian boy who died on a on a beach, right?
	Go trying to go to Europe.
	I if it was equal um play, an equal discussion, I would say, okay, they have they have both sides in mind.
	They have they they're actually just driven by compassion, but they don't.
	They they cover one of this uh side up, if you will.
	That they're coming up the consequences of mass migration, and then they're just lifting forward the kind of sob stories that makes us want to, you know, open our hearts and open our borders and just let anyone in uh no matter where they're from, no matter who they are, and we have no way of checking, and we have no vetting system.
	I mean, it's insanity.
	It's like playing Russian roulette.
	That's an argument I made in the video um on the strike uh about the one that was taken down, right?
	That is like obviously we're not saying that every person that comes in as a migrant is an evil, wicked person, and they will do crime and bad things.
	But the fact is if we don't check, if we don't have any quality control, we don't know who it is.
	We don't know we know we don't know about their motivations, we don't know who it is.
	And so effectively, if we are importing um ISIS terrorists as a side effect of importing a lot of other people who might be whatever, good hearted or whatever, it it's still playing Russian roulette.
	It's still saying to our people, well, we we could sacrifice some of you for the sake of the multiracialist agenda, right?
	And and that's totally wrong, and that's totally immoral.
	It's it's denying the rights to one group uh just to protect the rights of another, and and those are in contradiction.
	That's what I think.
	Right.
	Yeah, no, a lot of good points.
	So here and we'll let this rabbi finish up and say uh who who is behind it.
	And and what he does is he says it's not the it's not it's Jew, it's Jews that are behind it, but it's not Jews in general fault because this is just the bad Jews.
	It's the no no true Scotsman fallacy.
	It's like kind of moving the goalposts, and it's like, oh well, that's not a real Jew.
	But then I'm gonna show you another clip of of Dennis Prager saying the exact opposite.
	Uh I don't know if you've seen it, but it's a good one to follow this.
	And this has also been the case in North America for many years now.
	In Europe in particular, this has accelerated and become uh a truly uh enormous uh crisis for those who wish to see European nations remain exactly what they are, European nations, that is to say, the homelands and the uh uh societies.
	People of Europe's great.
	Great, he's talking about this.
	I'm looking for for those who are responsible.
	I wish to blame and uh attack for what has been going on over in some cases for decades, in other cases, more particularly over the last few years.
	And it is true, unfortunately, and I think this needs to be frankly admitted by Jews all over the world, that there are, without doubt, Jews uh involved in those movements and those uh organizations, very often NGOs, etc., who promote this uh phenomenon of third world immigration into the into the Western countries.
	There you go.
	NGOs just like every aid, but you cover it and you get censored from YouTube.
	Go ahead.
	Exactly.
	And I want to mention one thing about that.
	Um the the honesty about that is vital, and I really appreciate this guy talking about that.
	I mean, that has to be said.
	I might not agree with them on the final analysis, and and partially he's right, uh, and partially he's wrong to well, not all Jews want to do this to to Western culture.
	Exactly, yeah.
	Of course, obviously he's he's sitting there speaking against it, and there's money others like Ons uh the Ons Guy ons review, he's talking about this openly, even Gillot Atzman's talking about.
	I mean I mean, to and and this is the absurdity of it.
	That the straw man argument is that if we criticize some Jews, there's Jewish organizations that approach us and say that we're anti Semitic and we hate all Jews, and we blame them for everything, which is clearly not the case.
	But they have to make this drama an argument to be able to debunk and put us down when we come with valid and legitimate criticism, right?
	But one thing that is, and many times we hear this issue well, Jews knew what it was like, and you know, the second world war and America uh, you know, supposedly send some ships back and they you know went to the camps and they were killed, and you know, we hear these kinds of stories, guilt.
	Guilt stories, yeah.
	Guilt stories, obviously, yeah, again, to try to get us to open our hearts and and feel shame and guilt and thereby just being replaced, right?
	But this issue that why if you were I I'm trying to think of it from my own point of view.
	If I if there was a crisis in my country in Sweden, and I'm in America right now, but it's temporarily.
	I'm you know, I'm my home country is Sweden, that's where we're gonna uh you know live.
	We're moving back there here at some point soon.
	But if if there's a crisis in my country, and it's coming a crisis, by the way, be due to mass migration and these kinds of policies, but anyway, barber specters in your country, right?
	Exactly, exactly.
	But so if I was forced to go to another country, primarily I would be infinitely grateful uh to them for opening, you know, opening up and taking me in.
	Again, I'm not against helping people, that's not what this is about either.
	Um but but it's this issue that those people then go on, like these people that we were talking about, that the highest lady there that were talking earlier, for example, that they go on, they feel, well, we were refugees, therefore we have to be in a position where we lobby for more refugees to come into that very country.
	I would take the opposition of take the position of being opposite and say, hey, hey, hold on a minute.
	I'm a visitor to this country, I'm a refugee.
	I I'm not gonna go in and try to uh you know tell them what to do, right?
	You could have input and you can say people what you know, tell people what you think or whatever, but this subversive um activism and starting of organization and using funds to undermine the cultural narrative and the political uh discourse of the country and the ideological direction of the country so that you will pry open this country's borders to let in a slew of people.
	I mean, that's that's subversive.
	And some of them even admit that their intent is to make us not be a white majority.
	Like they celebrated in the headlines about us not and you know, like you said, Biden says we're not gonna be a white majority, and that's a good thing.
	That's the deliberate plan.
	It is a genocide.
	Yep, yep, exactly.
	But my point is they should c well if if I was led into the country, I would just say, oh, okay, well, I'll respect whatever they want to do, right?
	Obviously.
	Uh and it's like you wouldn't want to change that country or permanently altered that, or or you would respect and say they were kind enough to let me in, but I'm not going to meddle in their politics.
	It's their country.
	I'm I'm just a you know, I'm gonna stay out of that kind of stuff.
	Um but it's like this is powerful individuals that are using billions of dollars to uh bribe politicians and and have it lobby groups and all these kinds of things to truly transform and change the the the culture and the mentality.
	And and that I don't well, I understand it why they're doing it, but I'm saying that is something which just never should have taken place.
	If you were if they were kind enough to let you in, you should respect the country's wishes and let them decide how they want to move forward.
	You know what I mean?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Okay, so um now that now the Prager video, it's it's uh it I don't know if you've seen this before, but you're you're gonna love it if you haven't here.
	So this following up on what the rabbi said about all the the Jews being behind uh uh the Western eras erasing Western culture.
	When Jews left Judaism, they stayed religious, but the religion that they affirmed tended to be any form of leftism rather than Judaism.
	This is not a condemnation, this is not an insult, it's a description.
	Jews have been taught by Judaism to make a better world.
	That is the prof that is the message of the prophets.
	And if they weren't going to do it through monotheism, which is how we're supposed to do it, ethical monotheism, teach the world that God is the source of ethics and demands ethical behavior.
	They did it through secular ideologies.
	They rejected traditional religiosity, and so they accepted a new religiosity which was secular.
	Many people have described Marxism as secular messianism.
	Here's a Did you hear that?
	Yep, yep.
	I've heard that before too.
	It's amazing how um how astute his in these observ uh you know, kind of very detailed observations.
	Well, he's an expert in all things Jews.
	He's a hardcore Zionist, one of the biggest uh cr uh Christian conservative Zionists there is at Prager U. But um, he says that uh cultural Marxism is messianic, uh what was it?
	Messianic Judaism.
	Well let's do the quote one more time.
	Yeah, he said he said they're walking they've walked away from the religious aspect, but they've remained religious, right?
	They they don't have the monotheistic monotheism in mind anymore, uh, but they have a new kind of religion, right?
	To to heal the world.
	That is it tickam olam, is that the the term that they use?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which is it like intrinsically inherently like supremacist to think that they're the chosen ones that are gonna heal the world and be a light unto the nation and stuff.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And this aspect too, that it's like it's yeah, it's not only their job to fix it, uh, but that there's something wrong with it to begin with, right?
	I mean, this is a very weird kind of stance to take, to be honest.
	It's like, wait a minute, sure, there's issues in the world and stuff like that, but they're it's almost like this it is a religious aspect, right?
	Of saying, well, uh the world is broken, but it's up to us to fix it, right?
	It's up to us to dictate and tell.
	Take the Douglas Rushkovs, right?
	He's talking about in this clip.
	You've played in some of your videos before.
	He's talking about how it's true that they are a subversive force, right?
	Because uh according to Rushkov, because we break things down which aren't true.
	But this aspect that he or his ilk, even which he goes on to talk about in that clip, uh the audacity that they are to tell us or determine to other people what it is that's true or not, that is the the main crux of the situation.
	Like if you just did this to kind of to your own group or to your own uh nation, fine, do what the hell ever you want.
	I'm not gonna get involved in that.
	But this meddling in other affairs of other people and other nations, that's when it gets like really, really problematic.
	Exactly.
	And and it's uh it's a new religion, it's whatever ism it is feminism, Marxism, environmentalism, it's uh these new their new uh leftist religion to heal the world, is how he finishes here.
	Yeah.
	Traditional religiosity, and so they accepted a new religiosity which was secular.
	Many people have described Marxism as secular messianism.
	Here's a disturbing statistic, though, and it is in my book.
	And it is not I didn't come up with this a professor, I believe, at Brandeis University did.
	The most pro-communist press in the nineteen thirties, outside of the Soviet Union, or inside the United States, was the Yiddish press.
	So Jewish press in the United States was communists.
	That's what he just said.
	Yeah.
	Amazing admission.
	Well, we talk about it, it's hate, and we get strikes and shut down, but he can he can talk about it.
	It's fine.
	Just recently, uh Tom Locovera from uh uh Resurrect the Republic Radio RTR Truth, he he got some CIA documents that show uh the CIA was writing up that they uh communist Bolshevik Jews were invading Palestine and with mass immigration, you know.
	Where where were the nationalists against that uh migrant invasion?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Good point.
	Uh yeah, I gotta have him on, by the way, too.
	Uh he does great work.
	I'm gonna talk about those documents, it's a great uh great uh find.
	Yeah, we did a video about it last week.
	It was it was a good find.
	Okay.
	Jews took a new religion as a substitute for Judaism, and that was you name it feminism, environmentalism, Marxism, socialism, and and for some even communism.
	But Jews love isms.
	Jews are to isms what Italians are the operas.
	They create new movements, and everyone will make this great world.
	And instead, uh instead of using the the religion that came with being Jewish.
	So how many people?
	So what it what okay, let's talk about that a little bit.
	So his his solution to that though, because obviously Prager, you know, if you look at his videos and stuff, he's very anti left, you know, the solution is give more money to Israel.
	That was the video you guys covered last week, I think.
	Well, but but isn't he is he not saying I'm trying to I'm trying to be like uh truly objective here or give the guy a chance.
	Is he saying if those Jews that are creating all these things that they believe will better the world or whatever, if they would just return to like worshipping Yahweh or monotheism, then they would be on the right track.
	Is that what he's well he's answering somebody's question uh about why are so many Jews liberal?
	Because you know he's uh he's a conservative Jew or or you know, with con the conservative Christian Zionist Jews.
	So that he was explaining that, and I think it's him kind of giving a pass to the to the leftist Jews, saying, like, well, you know, they're not Jews and they're not following Judaism and they're not religious, but it's still like a new religion of still trying to make the world a better place.
	So we got the secular Jews doing their Marxist messianic uh utopias, and then we even have the the right wing uh uh Orthodox and Chabad Lubavitch Jews that want to fulfill end time prophecy by mixing uh European cultures.
	Right, that he won't address that.
	See, that's the thing.
	That that's the hole in the argument.
	He doesn't uh go on to cover that base and say, well, there's others uh you know who's of his ilk that still agree with those replacement uh agendas.
	And and I mean again, if you look at the neocons, if you look at all the wars that they were behind, which ultimately is the primary driver of migration, uh you know, you know, it's all weaved together, and that the fact that it's the the process of of meddling and and you know um creating these kinds of circumstances that we're that we're observing, the the majority of them as he rightly observes are from that ilk, right?
	And and and and I just don't think it would be enough to return to to religiosity because there's many other people that are uh still religious, but they still agree with that uh that agenda or tries to fulfill it.
	Um right?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	So I just want to play real quick since I mentioned it, this uh this rabbi saying that uh white genocide is a good thing because it helps fulfill end times Jewish prophecy.
	And he's not the only one to have several rabbis saying this, and it's like all over the news that Trump is their guy that's gonna, you know.
	We we covered it all on on uh the interview on your channel a few months ago.
	The whole third temple stuff.
	It's the end of days.
	You're gonna need the iron of hisav, which represents Edom, which is the West, Europe and the Americas to get intermixed with Yushmad, which is basically Arabs and uh and Muslims.
	How in the world was this ever gonna happen if not for this refugee crisis?
	At the end of days, you're gonna have this intermixing between Esav, Edom, which is the West, and the East, which is the Muslims and uh um and and the Arabs, making this through this influx into the world.
	And they're gonna have children, you know.
	I don't want to say by the dozens, but they're gonna have a far larger birth rate than the indigenous people there, and they're going to sort of conquer by number.
	And there are many different sources for that.
	There we go again.
	Conquer by number, the Arabs are gonna conquer Western Europe and Christian white culture essentially.
	Well, this is what happened in Spain.
	Go back and look at the record of of like those who opened the city gates of like, you know, uh Toledo and some of these uh areas back in the in this in the 700s, you know.
	Um it was done by a convert uh as they later called them when when the Inquisition came around, and again, there's a a total logic transgression or or a line of events that happened which led up to things like the Inquisition and why Spain you know kicked them out in 1492, right?
	Uh seven hundred years earlier, you had a lot of uh influential Jewish uh people in positions where they literally could open the uh the the city gates to the the storming uh invaders, the Muslim armies at the time, and the whole Visigothic Empire collapsed, and the majority of the people had to retreat to the north of Spain, and it took them 700 years to get their country back, right?
	So when they got around to it, and then finally sorted the situation out, and in 1492, you know, Queen Elizabeth uh or uh Isabella, sorry, Isabella finally they just said, All right, that's it.
	Like you're you're we're kicking you out because you've meddled too much at this point, right?
	And and that's also what a lot of people converted.
	That's uh uh you know what you get the term converso or crypto from.
	They wanted everyone to be like Catholic, um, you know, and some people they could they converted openly, but they still maintained underneath all of that, uh, you know, their actual religiosity, they create they they kept their Judaism and stuff like that.
	It's a fascinating story.
	But this has been done before in history, that's what I'm saying.
	And there are people, I know that there's rabbis that's sitting on RT talking about how uh we are partners with the Muslims, with the Arabs, where you know it's uh it's a great partnership together.
	We're using uh it, you know, uh them natural allies or something, right?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Uh so yeah, I mean again, it's it's uh you can't say that it's like uh everyone thinks the same within this group, whether you see them as as uh an ethnic or racial group or as a religion, but there is this canard to use their term, which they always fall back on.
	I remember Lon actually spoke with Ben Shapiro, who she had on the show many years ago.
	Um, and surprised to hear that.
	Yeah, well, it took a while to get that interview, but that's before kind of he knew that we were talking about certain forbidden topics.
	But anyway, um and it was an interesting interview, but it was like we're talking about Hollywood, like okay.
	Well, why is there so many?
	I think that question just directly came up.
	Why is it so dominated by Jews?
	And then the Ben Shapiro's answer was like, well, they're not really Jews.
	He took the the Prager stance, they're just leftists, right?
	Um if they just were conservative and stuff, it would be all good.
	But but the reality is as we've talked about, it's like there's people from all sides, they're still working towards the same goal, and and what is never brought up or or brought into the consideration is is ethnic in-group loyalty, that it doesn't matter if they're on the right or if they're on the left, if they're religious, if they're conservative, if they're whatever, it's still just a a momentum towards the same goal, which is basically destruction of Western society and and collapse of homogenous um you know countries in Europe.
	And you know, you can go on and blame and point fingers and stuff like this, which group is it, but at some point it almost seems, and I don't know what the answer is to this, but it almost seems that there's almost like a subconscious um aspect to this as well, that they they will still work and operate together when push comes to shove, right?
	And they will still move uh you know move forward and and to achieve their goal.
	I think that they have their own survival as the primary driver, then there's secondary things of like what direction society should take.
	But it's still the reality is it's a foreign group dictating in other countries where they have risen to prominence and big uh uh positions of influence and power where they dictate and dominate and influence in many regards over big issues which should be left up to the the local the native population of those countries.
	Right, yeah, not just a small minority subverting the masses.
	So here's another rabbi saying that the um uh Islam is the broom of the Jews.
	I mean how the hutzpah of that to say that the migrant the migrant invasion into uh into Europe and uh the refugee crisis is all benefiting them.
	They they they find pleasure out of it.
	LEREP, like totalement tomb.
	Don't put the question, Christian over Islam?
	It's an excellent news, it's an excellent news.
	You're going to pay very much, the Europeans.
	But at one point, you don't have even no idea of what we're talking about.
	And you won't be able to fight.
	Because all the evil you have done to Israel, you will pay you to the centuple.
	When Italy disappear, when Edom, it's why the QG of the Christian who comes from Esav, is there, when this place is there, it's what Islam does.
	Islam is the ball of Israel.
	Islam is the broom of Israel, you have to know and why why is this?
	Is this like I think it goes back to like uh the the sacking of the temple, and that's why they're the obsession with Italy and even even Greece to a certain extent, right?
	Their whole story of Yom Kippur, um, or or Hanukkah, I should say, sorry, Hanukkah, not Yom Kippur, uh, is a a story of the of the murder of Assyrian Greeks, basically, right?
	And they're celebrating that.
	It's a festival of light.
	Well, it's bloodshed.
	You know, it's it's about your conquering of of uh of another group, which you were you were in their country, and they've shifted the dialogue, and they've said, Well, we were suppressed, and they were um you know, subverting us and stuff like that.
	So when we when we crushed them and destroyed their things, when the Maccabees came in and just like took a business, then it was the right thing to do.
	I mean, I see uh people who are like uh reform from reform Judaism, female rabbis, they're standing in the in the white house and talking about these things, like it this was under Obama's presidency, but she was talking about how great it was that they were resisting uh uh uh tyranny of these Assyrian Greeks, and when they won uh and they turned everything over, it was like that.
	Then it was just this uh justice achieved, right?
	But it's like, wait a minute, you're just doing the same very same thing that you claim that the Greeks were subjecting you to, but when you did it, it was the right thing, right?
	I mean, it's just this total double standard and and total hypocrisy, and they don't see um their own behavior that as long as they win and get what they wanted the situation, it's good and light has uh is victorious, right?
	And they're good at the PR to spin it, so so it always ends up that way.
	Nothing makes me more mad than hypocrisy and uh injustice.
	It seems like they're always getting away with that.
	I know.
	And so, but I mean, is this uh like this guy that you play this?
	This uh is this a fringe minority, or is this things we don't know and haven't found out yet?
	Is this like uh higher up policy?
	I mean, I know that people in Chabad, which is like one of the highest organizations there is, right?
	They they talk like this too, if I'm not mistaken.
	Well, um, oh yeah, they absolutely do.
	Uh all their top rabbis, Rebbe Schneerson, you know, we're satanic, we're just here to serve them, uh, all that type of stuff.
	I'm trying to open up okay, there we go.
	So uh what where's my I wanted to talk about Kalergy a little bit.
	Sure.
	To finish this off.
	Let's see, where's my link for Kalergy?
	And then also the link that you sent me about the polar sick road uh Silk Road.
	Okay, that's an interesting one too.
	I gotta send that over to the uh Talpiat guys.
	Alright, here.
	So this is uh Kalergy plan.
	Everybody's uh mostly everybody's heard about it before, but I just wanted to go over one of these.
	So t tell me some of the talking points of of Kalergy.
	Um I'm sure I'm sure uh you've covered it before while looked.
	Yeah, I mean what what he's kind of you know known for uh is to basically wanted to create a uh mixed uh race um European, right?
	Of an a Eurasian Negroid race of the future, which is the quote, uh similar in appearance to the ancient Egyptians, and that that will uh will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals, which doesn't even really make sense that last line.
	But he was himself uh half Japanese.
	Many people have said, well, maybe it was just like his inability to feel like he was fitting in in uh in Austria at that time, he was like a a nobleman and uh on his Japanese side, it was the same uh samurai, I think, or something like that, of a somewhat important family in Japan.
	But uh he was heavily involved with the European Union and the League of Nations and Yeah.
	And it's the first, this is what's interesting with it.
	It's actually the first like incarnation of the European Union, right?
	It was actually called a pan-European movement at that point, and he was doing that together with a Habsburg uh dynasty.
	Otto one von Habsburg was a big uh player in this in the pan-European movement, and they're the ones who really lay the foundational work of the of the what turned into the EU, and there's even like a kalurgi prize that people get today and stuff like that.
	They get honored when they do things, which basically like uh kind of fulfills the the calurgy uh planning diversity, multi um multi-racial society type thing, right?
	Exactly.
	And I mean it's there isn't like there isn't such a thing as the calurgy plan, it's just kind of been known to be called that just for the sake of simplification, right?
	That like uh, you know, some of the things that he aspired to seems to have been fulfilled, and it's also that a lot of the politicians, uh a lot of the unelected politicians in the European Union today, they are basically working towards this.
	Like take um uh Macron, right in France, for example.
	He literally has done everything he can to undermine the French people.
	He's uh encouraged open borders, incur encouraged uh migration from uh Africa primarily and he you know he receives these uh these prizes uh one one other one is the Charlemagne prize as well which is kind of at the foundation of this too Charlemagne which is one of the first people who uh you know create you know kind of created somebody unified uh Europe there's a lot of you know kind of uh problems with that theory overall but anyway they see Charlemagne as one of these figures that they can look up to of like trying to create an empire basically and
	unifying more and more lands.
	So these people are full-on globalists.
	They're adhering to these kind of ancient ideas.
	We hear that the reason for the EU was the Second World War and that these globalists have said, well, nationalism is destroying everything.
	We have to make sure that it never happens again.
	And that's why the foundation of the European Union came into existence and whatever.
	But that's not true because his books, Kalurgi's book, which is called Practical Idealism, he wrote about Freemasonry and all kinds of stuff too, which is very interesting.
	A lot of funding.
	As you say, they have the quote up there by Rothschild, one of his friends who introduced him to the Warburg, Max Warburg, one of the other bankers, gave them financial money in the early stages of the pan-European movement and stuff like that.
	But there's tons of people involved in this along the way.
	And he even saw a...
	What was it?
	was Jewry, as was a common name as they
	call it back then they saw as a as a he saw as a higher higher moral um yeah let me read that quote I have it up right now it's instead of destroying European Jewelry Europe against its own will refined and educated the Jews into a future leader nation through this artificial selection process th by putting them in ghettos and you know the the Holocaust I guess developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe.
	So they're the spiritual nobility and that therefore a gracious providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the grace of spirit.
	I mean, that's vomit.
	That's right.
	That's the line.
	Nobility, you know, of of Europe.
	Right.
	That he saw that he saw them as being the primary driver.
	And interestingly enough, in the wake of that, you have a today you have a European Jewish Congress, for example, which is, again, very unelected.
	It's a very highly influential organ within the whole European Union structure.
	Many of the things he talked about basically came came true.
	And that's why they call it the Kalergi plan.
	That is like it came into fruition.
	And, you know, again, this clear distinction that he saw them as much better than everyone else is very interesting, too.
	Like there is a there is a supremacy there, but that's an acceptable supremacy.
	And that's OK.
	They're really morally better, you know, kind of than everyone else.
	And he was married.
	We should say he wasn't Jewish, Kalergi, but he was married to Ida Rowland, I believe, who was Jewish.
	have a second wife either before or after that.
	But, you know, so there's some connection there.
	So interesting.
	He's saying he basically wants to mix all of the non-Jewish nations together.
	And someone else said something about like lowering the IQ.
	I think that might have been a hoax.
	But that links, you know, saying that they're the spiritual center and the spiritual nobility and all that, it reminds me of Israel's first prime minister, Ben-Gurion, his quote from the 60s about the future of Israel.
	This looks a little different than it used to.
	They redesigned it, huh?
	It took it away.
	Yeah, they redesigned the the website.
	But anyway, he says they want a supreme court of mankind, a federated unit of continents as prophesied by Isaiah.
	So they want a supreme court in Israel, in Jerusalem.
	And then now look at this news that just came out last week from World Net Daily, one of the Christian Zionist right-wing conservative media outlets that's tight with Infowars, where Jerome Corsi's from.
	Seven days until dedication of Third Temple altar, 70 nations invited to Jerusalem's Sanhedrin declaration replace UN.
	this is the the altar where they're gonna do the the sacrifices on the new third temple where they're gonna rule the world from Jerusalem as they plan and here says Jerusalem.
	They're re-established.
	Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the temple and their stone altar, leading an effort to replace the United Nations with a new God-centered organization.
	That's the plan.
	And so what we're looking at is a situation from Kalergi and onward where they can have their ethnicity.
	They can have their race.
	They can have their culture.
	They can have their language.
	They can have their country.
	They can have all these things.
	They can have walls around their country.
	They can even be funded by the U.S., right?
	All the money they receive from Germany and stuff like that.
	And I understand that they want that.
	And on one level, I'm against how all these things were created and the fact that they took someone else's land.
	Obviously, I'm against that.
	But ultimately, down the line, it's like, yeah, I wouldn't want to deprive any nation, any people from having their own territory and their own country, right?
	But see, it's the lobbying against ours.
	And then it's the lifting up of theirs of saying ours is a beautiful culture.
	It's an ancient heritage.
	And we can have laws that are on a racial basis in Israel.
	But you can't have any of those things, right?
	It's the double standard, it's a hypocrisy.
	And again, why was it then the Calurgi wanted to join all these races together to create something that looked like the Egyptians, but the Jews he saw as separate, and he saw them as a moral guiding light to rule over this other kind of mongrel mongralized race, basically.
	And now we see her everywhere in their advertisements and in the media and in Hollywood, all of the multiracial ra race mixing, uh, shoving it down our throats.
	Not that I'm against that.
	If it naturally happens and people fall in love, but it's like conditioning and programming and glamorizing it.
	It's just so obvious that that's what the agenda is.
	Yeah, I mean, uh, they even discourage like white people from having white children, and there's articles written uh and and groups out there that are saying that if you have white children you're upholding white supremacy.
	I mean, it's like it's a whole organization in place, uh and machine, an apparatus which is to demonize white people, make them feel shame and guilt for who they are, while every other group is lifted up, and that's beautiful, and they can have their culture and everything else.
	Uh and and as you say, the blatant just mixing and stuff.
	I mean, again, it's like if someone travels to another country and falls in love with a person and they meet each other, like, okay, well, fine, that's gonna happen, right?
	But this over-the-top promotion of it, which is sickening, right?
	It's like it's a discouragement of ensuring that we preserve the diversity uh that we already have uh on this planet, right?
	It's a destruction of diversity.
	That's what's so annoying.
	They're using this and saying, oh, see, we need more diversity, and diversity is our greatest strength, but then like everyone mix out and just uh remove yourself and and and change your culture.
	It's just I mean, I see it's just a way for them to control us.
	That's ultimately what it's about.
	People who are rooted, have strong roots in culture, they have strong roots in their ethnicity, they have strong roots in their family.
	Those are ultimately a people which are uh and uh they're standing in the way of the globalization process, and they won't go as easily, they won't be led to the slaughter as easily as people who are not rooted in those things, and that's why the globalists want it gone, right?
	Uh, but again, it's only for some, it's not for everyone.
	That's that's what's so sickening about this.
	Another blatant double standard.
	Here's a little bit of the uh the propaganda I got from Netflix pushing this this uh don't have white babies narrative, and it's just you see this stuff just absolutely everywhere, everywhere you look, you see this thing going on, and the like the national geographic, the the human of the future, what they're gonna look like, you know, blended, where it's like, oh, forget all of the unique cultures and differences that that people used to have.
	It's gonna be some homogenous mix.
	Horrible.
	And uh some of you guys are getting weak just thinking about that right now.
	And uh it was cool.
	I was doing some shows in this next song.
	This is a song about love, and it's about something really beautiful you can create from love.
	There's also a song that ends racism forever.
	So here we go.
	You guys, you guys ready for racism to end?
	So this is from Netflix.
	It was uh a stand-up special with a bunch of different stand-up comedians, and uh the theme of the whole thing was anti-white, making fun of whites, dehumanizing whites, and pushing like there was a several lesbians, several uh homosexual men, everything against uh straight white culture is the theme of this whole whole thing.
	So here's his song to end racism forever.
	Three of you guys were like, it's kind of cool sometimes.
	That's what the hell is.
	I've seen the fast so you're the future of the human race, multiracial babies, khaki colored babies.
	Yep.
	Did you see that Canadian one where they talked about beige uh beige power?
	No.
	No, that's very I'll send that to you very interesting.
	Beige power, beige power, they were trying to put down like white supremacy or white power, but uh in the same breath, they're basically just lifting up and saying, but beige power, however, that's fine, right?
	There could be supremacy from a totally different angle.
	No worries, don't don't don't worry about that.
	But this is like if you had if you did any of these things, uh the only people have to do to see if it's a valid point or not is to shift the shift the situation, to put the shoe on the other foot, as I say.
	Um if they say something about white people, replace white with uh with Asian or black or Jewish or something like that, and see if it would pass, right, the cultural um uh threshold without being attacked.
	Then you know uh if it's racism or not.
	That's how I view it anyway.
	And and I know many times if I were to say things like they say, but not about whites, but about others, uh, it would be total demonization, we're you know, worldwide outrage, at least in the West, you know.
	Yeah, just just more double standards.
	And and they think that like we're not gonna notice this and people aren't gonna get upset and say anything about it.
	Well, actually they know that they are, and then when people do, and eventually people are gonna snap when they realize we're being censored, you know, there's an agenda against us, you know, everything's everything's going awful, and maybe that just plays into their hands even more.
	Well, one way it does, I think that's the worst thing that can happen is that people flip and snap, obviously, because then you don't know what they're gonna do.
	Uh people who lose everything, if you will, uh, and then don't have a uh a way of uh you know fighting back or even speaking up against that.
	That's that's a very that's dangerous.
	They're creating dangerous individuals because they're not allowing us to uh take part in that discord and change things and see and and describe how we see the world and how we see what's happening to us.
	We're always supposed to, or or um we we're always it's expected of us to think of the other side and how do they feel and um you know all these things that it's like well couldn't you just apply this to like uh to to us then in that regard?
	It's like we should never be asked.
	Uh don't think about how we feel.
	It's it's this lie that we are always in a position of being in power and and controlling everything, which is bullshit.
	But that's what they say.
	So an attack on us, uh a way of breaking down what they seem as white supremacy is always in their views going to be morally correct.
	But but but what the some of the things ever happen is that an example like this, right?
	Representation in uh movies or comic books and stuff like that of non-white people is very very important to them, right?
	That if they don't see any of their own faces of people that look like them, it's almost like a crime, right?
	To children when they grow up and they are in America or they're in Europe or something like that.
	So we have to accommodate for them and create comic books and movies and all these things where they're included, right?
	But one of the attacks is that well, you have you had movies like that are were all white all through the 70s and 60s and 80s and even 90s to a certain extent, but it's like well, the reason where they're white is because that's what represented the population at that time, right?
	We it's it was wrong that we historically did things that just were about us and favoring our own.
	What are we supposed to do?
	Do movies about uh including African uh you know uh diversity uh or other cultures back in the 1970s or or uh uh you know 80s in Sweden.
	This is ridiculous.
	But see, now when they are increasing in their numbers as as immigrants in our countries, then it's correct to do Things which reflect the accurate demographic numbers of the country, right?
	That it has to be percentage or however the silly is how they view this, you have to insert in every TV show or every movie, there has to be representation, right, of all these different groups.
	But for us just to have something which is totally our own, that is morally incorrect, right?
	For us to do those things.
	So it's this total hypocrisy and double standard where they don't care if my child grows up and not see faces that look like him, right?
	That everything he consumes is people who don't look like him.
	That's fine.
	They don't even flinch thinking about those things.
	Uh but if but it if it's from their perspective, then we are morally wrong.
	It's our obligation, in fact, to produce content and do and make things that just appeal to them and make sure that they feel represented everywhere.
	I just I'm I'm I'm sick of it.
	And this the reason why you get come to the situation to begin with is because multiracial societies and is an experiment and it's a losing experiment because everything that you see now is about race.
	It's about racial division, it's about it's a power struggle, every encounter is judged on the basis of race, and if a person acted wrong against someone, it's always on the basis of race, at least if this perpetrator is a white, obviously.
	Uh and and it's like every interaction is about this, and it's like just becomes exhausting eventually, where like everything turns into being about an artificial issue which has largely been imported into Western countries.
	And I think every group would be better off being in a country where the majority of people looked like them, they behaved like them, they talked, they spoke their language, then this racism, which is this boogeyman of the 21st century that everyone is hunting for, at least white supremacy racism, right, then that would not be an issue.
	They could never um push that on us as being the excuse for something, right?
	And so I just see that i the more homogeneous nations you have, the more easily it's going to be for them to deal with whatever issue and problem that arises in the West right now, every damn issue is about race and racism and whether someone was a racist or not, and we're peddling in these like minute details while our countries are falling apart, infrastructure is failing, uh, we're not reinvesting anything into science and technology and development anymore.
	It's all just about open borders, accommodating everyone else, while our countries are like collapsing from the inside.
	There's not enough housing to go around for our own people.
	Uh we're supposed to stay, you know, step to the side and just allow these people in, and they're they're supposed to get uh apartments and houses before we do, and our own uh our own children or teenagers growing up to.
	It's just this total we're being turned into secondhand citizens in our own countries.
	I've seen this firsthand in Sweden, the way that they're treating native Swedish population uh versus how they're treating this new income, these new Swedes that are importing in.
	And this imbalance, I think, is going to just cause tons of anger, and and and rightly so, and understandably so.
	But it the po the point is this globalization process is not going to be able to go on forever.
	It's going to reach a tipping point where people have had enough.
	And no one wants to see that violence.
	But the fact is that the globalists are are bringing it about and they're creating this situation and they're not taking that into consideration as a possibility of saying, Whoa, whoa, we better slow down, we better ask them what they actually want.
	They're just full steam ahead, they're steamrolling this agenda.
	I think that they think we have a window opportunity here before they wake up.
	Let's just like cream in as much as we can, let's just push our agenda.
	But the reality is the more they do that, the more people are waking up and the more pissed and angry people are getting.
	But so be it then, they're creating it.
	And at some point, people have to start fighting back against this because ultimately, according to the UN's own definition, what the globalists are doing towards us is genocide.
	Believe it or not, if you go and read the, you know, read the points of what is genocide, you'll see that that's absolutely what's happening in Western countries right now.
	Yeah, and and you know, you gotta think that it looks like they're doing all this by design, you know, pushing for a multicultural country and then the media and the government playing uh all races off off one another, you know, the racial division is easier to control if everybody's fighting amongst each other with the divide and conquer strategy.
	Yeah, and also and this should people, you know, they always say there's many people who are more on the left and they're still into conspiracies and and understand kind of globalism and stuff like that, but they say, well, stop dividing us, or or you know, they use terms like that when it comes to speaking about migration or uh speaking about importation of you know uh other populations into our countries.
	But the fact is immigration has been and is the biggest wedge issue that there is.
	And if there's any soul and single thing which has divided a homogenous population in these countries in Western Europe, it is immigration.
	Families are splitting up, friendships are ending over the issue of whether or not we should have open borders and let everyone in, right?
	If you have as soon as someone speaks up against it and say, you know what, I'm sick of it, I don't want it anymore.
	I think it's bad, I think it leads to bad things.
	I think it's going to be uh uh a horrible disaster at the end of this uh the world that the globalists are creating.
	They get ostracized, they get kicked out, uh, they get frozen out from their own families, they denounce them and stuff like that.
	The globalists are using this to divide us uh internally in our countries where we previously have been homogenous.
	So that's what people need to understand.
	I d I I agree that they're trying to divide us, uh, but they're trying to divide the the native population of these countries by using immigration as a wedge issue.
	That's how I see it.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Me too.
	Um we're gonna wrap it up uh in a few minutes here.
	I know it's getting late over there for you.
	Uh uh, we're not gonna be able to get to everything I had had planned.
	Uh, we're probably gonna have to do uh I wanted to ask you about uh Trump, you know, we trump see Trump surrounded by Zionists and in friends with so many Zionist connections, but it seems like he's not really filling the Zionist role with immigration and pulling out in Syria.
	Um do you have any quick thoughts on that on the pull out in Syria?
	Yeah, I th I think it has to be said there's two ways of looking at it.
	Instinctively, I think awesome.
	Like pull get out of there, they should never have been there to begin with.
	Um it was a mistake.
	We know that the uh Iraq war was based on lies, so was Afghanistan really.
	It was a little bit more if you look at the official story, it was it made it a little bit more sense.
	But Iraq never made it in a sense, right?
	So there was it was nation building, it was neocolons, they wanted to control the Middle East, they invaded on false premises, they all made up lies.
	All these groups, organizations were being used to hoodwink the American people primarily, but even France and the UK uh who have troops, even Sweden has as troop in in Afghanistan for Christ's sake.
	Uh, but so they they created it on false premises.
	Uh basically through what they did in Iraq, they had they they created what became ISIS eventually, right?
	Um you had the Taliban and Afghanistan, you had Al Qaeda initially, uh, you know, coming into Iraq, then you had ISIS or ISIL as a creation.
	We know that of course they fund them on the back end.
	Uh they they they they gave uh resources, weapons to these so-called rebel groups and stuff like this.
	Um, and then as a consequence of that, those ended up in the hands of ISIS fighters and stuff like that.
	So it was a way for them to US aid having caught even like giving resources to ISIS.
	Israel has been caught like helping out their ISIS commanders and stuff in their hospitals and you know, all this kind of stuff that we don't hear too much about.
	But basically, what I'm getting at is that it was a mistake to do it all to begin with, but it was a plan and it was an agenda.
	But it needs to be so so instinctively, I think pulling out is a good idea, but there is two sides to it, and that is also that there is going to be issues when America pulls out.
	Now it seems the last latest news I saw was that Graham was like talking, Lindsay Graham, South Carolina, big neocon he was talking about well, uh Trump is gonna do what they call a slow pull out, meaning they're probably never gonna leave it all, right?
	He's reconsidering now and all these things I heard uh just earlier today.
	Uh so we'll see if it even happens.
	But but again, let's assume it happens, it does pull out.
	Turkey is gonna jump on the opportunity to take over parts in northern Syria.
	They've been fighting forever with the Kurds in Syria.
	You had a natural alliance uh forming kind of between Kurds and the Syrian army, uh Assad's uh uh guys, which is good.
	I I think that they should do that.
	Uh but at the same time, you have Israel that's already been uh uh airstriking uh targets in Syria as well.
	They they're everyone is jumping on this opportunity to go in there and and grab whatever they see, right?
	Uh Israel is saying, well, uh Iran has has influence in Syria, it's Hezbollah's there, we're gonna bomb and we're gonna strike uh whatever target targets we want.
	But if Turkey goes in there, uh that could be a major issue.
	I mean, remember that the NATO uh NATO Turkey is still a NATO member, uh America is a NATO member.
	Uh these two countries might be at odds.
	Uh I last thing I said was that um uh America was actually sending troops to Northern Syria to try to stabilize a position which to potentially could destable be to totally destabilize, and and you could see uh massive increase in a conflict if America pulls out.
	Again, I don't think America should be the world's police force.
	I don't like it.
	They should never have done it to begin with.
	But the harsh reality is that if they do pull out, it is going to create total chaos.
	And everyone is going to jump at this uh circling this this the corpse, if you will, of of northern uh Syria, southern Turkey, and try to gain whatever um position that they can that uh look at.
	Including Blackwater, possibly, right?
	You saw the Blackwater thing that came out.
	We're coming, exactly.
	And I'm surprised that they're using that logo, Blackwater, because I took I thought they changed it to XC.
	Me too.
	Yeah, I thought they rebranded.
	Yeah, so I is this fake.
	Right?
	What is this?
	It doesn't seem to be face mil military times.
	Blackwater is not even there anymore, unless they rebranded back again or something like that.
	Um but yes, but this is another aspect to it as well.
	It might be what they call privatized, right?
	They might try to privatize the war, and instead of having America directly involved uh they'll still have military there, obviously, but they might come to a position where all right, let's outsource these issues, let's uh uh make sure that Eric Prinz and all these other guys in Blackwater can take over control of this stuff.
	And and and it needs to be said too, though, on top of it, that it's always very interesting when you get uh criticism uh by the mainstream media of the Eric Princess of the of these gois, who seems to be the fall guys, that their involvement and their role in this, which is in comparison to the military itself, minor, that they get the brunt end of it, they get the major criticism.
	But if you do address like the neocons that actually created the situation situation to begin with, they don't even touch it.
	Uh there was an article in the New York Times where Paul Krugman, uh, who's part of the tribe, basically went on to demonize every goi in the Bush administration by not giving any any attention whatsoever uh to the uh people of his own ill within that group within the neocons that had created the situation to begin with, right?
	So there is this I'm saying he's weaved into this.
	You have this agenda of like let's blame let's blame the Eric Princess, let's blame the the goys in the Bush administration.
	Yeah, they tried to um tenet, George Tenet from the CIA.
	He he said drunk in Bandar's pool that the Jews quote Jews were trying to set him up and blame him.
	Yeah, I I know it's amazing.
	So there are things like that that comes out now and then again.
	I don't know what's gonna happen with Blackwater, how influential they are going to be in in the region, if anything, but uh the the point is America didn't make the mess, but those who influence American foreign policy made the mess.
	And America had they they took debate and they were fooled into it.
	Uh but the reality is uh they they do have to watch the way that they pull out.
	It's just a reality of it now because you're gonna have increased tension in the region.
	And if you do it, well, isn't isn't Russia still there?
	And Syria is capable, I think, of handling ISIS them the uh by themselves is if America isn't there supporting them, and Israel isn't continuing to support them.
	Absolutely.
	And and so again, why do you think they're there?
	Well, because they want to make sure that the region is under um you know the the correct control of the correct people that want to make sure that uh these countries are uh are are are if not if not directly like emptied of populations and and uh just destroyed, at least that they have puppet regimes which are uh pliable to the will of Israel.
	Uh you know, that that's what the the agenda is here.
	And uh that's why I think that the this pull out is not gonna happen.
	Trump might might have said it, he might have uh, but he said a lot of things, and then those things haven't come to fruition.
	You know, I think the last time that they were gonna pull out there was chemical attacks, and then we bombed right after.
	Exactly, right?
	So and Russia is exposed this how many times now?
	They've they've uh deconstructed, they've found people that got paid and everything.
	People think this is a conspiracy theory, but it's like the white helmets is like a front arm of like ISIS.
	They're like, you know, even Assad can you can see them in interviews and just said uh, you know, Al Qaeda, al Nusra, uh same as ISIS, they are uh, you know, the white helmets is part of Al-Nuzra.
	They've shaved their beards, you know, they're like they're they're on the front lines, they actually they are the ones who are gassing people, they're the ones who are bombing people, they're the ones who are killing people.
	Then the white helmets is immediately there with their cameras filming all this, magically knowing where the bomb is going to go off or whether a gas attack is, they magically show up and film it and pretend that they're rescuing people.
	Russia has exposed us on a numerous occasions.
	The uh uh Dust Boy, people can Google uh big story there, Dust Boy, who's being used by uh insurgents as the father called it later.
	Russia went down there when did an interview with the father of Dust Boy, and they said you know, they they took him, they uh they used him as a propaganda piece, uh, you know, to uh in the anti-Assad efforts and stuff like that.
	So there's like so much going on in the war in Syria that's just shady and filthy and and and dirty, you know what I mean?
	It's just all for Israel, you know.
	Hig Hillary Clinton's WikiLeaks said that getting Assad out will help is the best thing for Israel.
	Uh you know, people have been on Fox News saying it's for Israel, Trump says it's for Israel.
	He goes, Putin Putin's really cares about Israel's uh protection, and then just recently Trump, we give Israel billions, it can defend itself in in Syria.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And and that's true, right?
	That it that is true.
	But it's like uh maybe if Trump pulled does pull out, maybe Israel would just go totally nuts and they would just be like bomb everything, they will just I mean look what they did in in Lebanon, right?
	In Beirut, they just bombed and bombed and bombed and bombed back in the 80s.
	Um this is this is what they do, so people have to watch out, you know.
	Yeah, all right, Henrik.
	Well, um to wrap it up, I want to ask you about one last thing.
	Um it's uh Dugan.
	You've had uh Dugan, you did an interview with him, it looks like uh just uh three and a half years ago.
	And um is this the only interview you guys have done?
	I thought I did we did two, but it might be the only one that we did.
	Um actually.
	I haven't spoken to him since.
	I think it's the only one that we did, yeah.
	I I was thinking about having him back.
	He's a highly divisive figure in in nationalist circles.
	Um in your comments here from your supporters.
	I noticed that there was a lot of people like Bolshev Bolshevik uh party.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Dugan is a communist and stuff.
	What I like about him is his anti-Western modernity kind of stance, and I think a lot of people could agree with that, who is like not globalists or liberals.
	He's he's he is after all, he is as far as I understand it, he might change it, might have changed his tune over the years, and I don't know everything about the man, I haven't read everything.
	Uh, but when I spoke to him, we were talking about uh basically Western liberalism and the pro the problem with that, what is it what it has led to in the world, uh, and basically that that's a big problem.
	And I agree with him uh as far as I remember on on those points.
	Um if he's trying to pull some like national Bolshevism as or uh international Bolshevism as some other you know uh issue or something, I don't know.
	And uh frankly, I think people have also played up his position and and his influence with Putin way too much than it actually is.
	It's kind of like saying, you know, he's called Putin's brain, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I no, I I don't think so, frankly.
	He's not he doesn't have that level of access to, and it's kind of like Bannon had a bigger role with Trump uh than Dugan did with Putin, I'd say.
	Again, correct me if I'm wrong, anyone out there who knows much more about the situation than I do.
	I don't know how much that's saying, though, because didn't Bannon play a huge role with Trump.
	Uh well, in maybe initially, but now he's out.
	Well, I I did read uh today while I was researching Dugan and I watched your guys' your guys' interview.
	It said that Dugan uh has had like a falling out with Putin and he's been criticizing him lately or something.
	But uh what I wanted to ask you is, you know, because he's like he is like uh made been made out to be a huge villain in some circles recently, and he's divisive.
	Um, what your thoughts were and about this quote uh specifically.
	Uh this is from Big Think, they call him the most dangerous philosopher in the world.
	When was that from?
	2016 or what when was the article from?
	2016.
	So it's a year after you had him on.
	Yeah.
	And I thought, yeah, here we go.
	So uh the fourth political theory, it would set against progress as of the world as history as is, it would not be based on the issues of individualism, race, or nationalism.
	So that sounds like he's against race and nationalism there.
	Yeah, uh, again, uh that could very well be true.
	I can't remember if we discussed that directly in it.
	Um he's hard to follow with the accent a little bit too.
	Yeah, yeah, he is.
	He is uh but yeah, no, exactly.
	Uh again, the main alignment for me was that his his stance against like modernity and what what modern liberalism had done basically to the world and But keep in mind weaved into that, and I agree with him there.
	Um, is is capitalism, is is is consumerism or whatever you want to call it.
	I mean, there's a big there's a lot of people on the right, which are just like, hey, free markets is the best, and just let that rule and we'll be all set, and uh, you know, they they have this stance that, like, well, people, uh, money is smarter than people, so let it just kind of do its own thing, kind of thing.
	And I don't agree with that either.
	Uh, you know, I think it's detrimental to have like just the run amok capitalist system, which just does have no regulation by by man over it either.
	So, you know, my overlap with him specifically was like against the modernity aspects of the West, and there I agree with him.
	If he has some kind of idea of some multiracial, like global thing in the future to replace that, then obviously I don't agree with that.
	I'm not sure if it's multiracial.
	I I'm you know, I know I'm don't know the full context behind that quote, but also the criticism I hear is that he talks about having a multipolar world order instead of a unipolar with the one superpower of the United States, which I don't see how how he's a villain for wanting to have multiple countries have power in the world instead of the United States being the supreme country.
	Like, how can we say that he's bad for wanting that as a non-American?
	And that's the that's what's so interesting with these again.
	There's two there's two ways I look at this.
	And and one is it's interesting that there's so many of these Atlanticists, if we can call it that, and you do have organizations like the Atlantic Council look into them, very fascinating group.
	They're the ones that are actually gonna uh take over the role now on Facebook.
	We covered this in the weekend warrior show that we did, just recording that today.
	Uh, and the Atlantic Council uh is going to take over uh Facebook to dictate what it's so-called real news and fake news, and the Atlantic Council have been like more instrumental in driving an anti-Russian stance than it than other many other groups, right?
	So they had there is this weaved into all this, uh a hyper anti-Russian narrative.
	Doesn't mean that I'm like super pro-Russia or think that everything that they do is good, far uh, far from it.
	I I have my suspicions about you know Putin and some of the things they're doing.
	They have their own agenda.
	There, it's a little bit more difficult to understand that even from a Western perspective.
	What do they want and stuff like that?
	But basically the the again, it's hypocrisy again.
	They could be playing some three and four D chess, you you know, that then we don't have it exactly figured out.
	But I did see that you had on Christopher John Burkis to talk about uh Putin's reign of terror, and uh you know, he's all the way on one side that you know they're 100% without a doubt part of the whole uh Soviet Israel system.
	Exactly.
	And I don't know if that's true, but I would assume it's part partially it's true.
	It it's they have their own interests and they're playing politics.
	Putin is is good at playing politics, and and to a certain extent, he has to play with sides, maybe he doesn't agree with or or I mean this is how politics works.
	You you you're to a certain extent, you need to be unprincipled on certain things to be able to achieve certain things, and then if you gain power or influence and and can change the the the chess board, you do that at that point, right?
	So they're playing politics, and obviously they would do things which would benefit them.
	But but the the annoying aspect is that Russia can want to do something that America has been doing for like 30 years, and then they're pointed out to be the bad guy, right?
	Of basically have basic self-preservation of their own country of their own interest.
	But when Russia do it's bad, when America does it good, right?
	Uh but but having said that, there's this other aspect to it as well, which goes more into it actually weaves into the Belt and Road Initiative and you know these kinds of things that you do Russia, I think is more going to be more willing to team up with both Iran but also China and and and China is a powerhouse, they're a they're a force.
	Um and and and despite the fact that I hate the Atlanticists and what they have done, it did all this stuff goes back to like McKinder and the Heartland theory and stuff like that.
	That the Atlanticists have been trying to like uh kind of control Russia for a long, long, long time, right?
	They have their back towards the the North Pole pretty much, they have access to the biggest land mass on earth, they're in a kind of in that sense a central position.
	That's why Dugan is doing this Eurasian kind of bullshit stuff, which I don't agree with either.
	I don't think it should be like a uh you know, nation's good, let's keep it there.
	It's it's it's it's enough of a big entity as it is already.
	Um but the the Heartland theory is like is basically that they had an attacked uh a geographical advantage Russia.
	So the Atlanticists, which is America and and UK and NATO basically, have been trying to to topple that and and gain um influence over Russia forever.
	And and ever since the oligarchs, I believe, failed in that attempt.
	They might still have some people there, some players there, some people are influential, whatever.
	But the reality is Putin, he kicked out the majority of the oligarchs, right?
	And these were uh dual citizens, right?
	There were the this were people that were jet-setting between uh London and Tel Aviv after they had been kicked out of Moscow, pretty much.
	You have the Boris Barasovskis, the Abramovich, uh the uh the uh all these people that to that that took over these big pri uh companies that were state-owned operated, turned them over to private companies, they made millions and millions of millions that they were uh cheating, they were not paying their taxes, they were doing bad things to Russia.
	Uh Putin pretty much arrested many of them, some were just ex you know, kicked out of the country.
	And that's when the West really started turning against Putin in a different kind of way, which they had done before.
	Even McCain talked about this in his memoir, that you know, when he kicked out Boris Brasovsky and these people, it was like that they crossed that line, he turned to what he calls hostile nationalism and all this kind of bullshit, right?
	So po obviously Putin has his agenda, they want to do things which benefits them.
	That doesn't mean that that those things would be good for Europe or for the West, but it's but it's a contradiction because when America does it, it supposedly is good, but when Russia do the very same thing to preserve their own national interest, they're the bad guy for doing these things.
	So it's a totally unleveled uh and uneven playing field.
	But, and here's the last caveat I'll mention about it.
	If America's role in the world lessens, that might be that might be wonderful, it might be great.
	But the reality is that that is going to be an experiment.
	It certainly is not good now, and it certainly is not stable, so don't misquote me and say that it's great because America's in charge.
	But the reality is that when global powers um of the likes of China and maybe Russia teaming up with them, but China primarily I'm worried about, when they start dictating international affairs in a way that America has, who has despite all its corruption and wars and bad things that they've done, they still have a level of like liberalism kind of seeped in through that, which China just totally doesn't have.
	I think the whole world would rather have the United States in charge than China in charge.
	I think so.
	I mean, I would hope they would.
	Because I mean, look at what what when when and there's bigger issues at play here.
	I'm talking about like when when China gets ass access to like real like dangerous, like all of uh Israel's technology that they're stealing from the United States.
	Yeah, I mean, from artificial intelligence to genetic editing to uh cyborg shit to uh uh computer brain interfaces to you know to uh uh transhumanism and stuff like that, like China and even Israel will have there will be no brake pedal whatsoever.
	They will just be like if they can use this to their advantage to dominate and take over, they are it's just gonna be pedaled to the metal.
	And it could be it could be literally a dragon to face in the future, it could be a monster.
	It's almost like in an arms race.
	We don't want America to police the world and be this superpower that has bases everywhere and have an arms race and build up all our nukes so you know nobody is bigger than us, but at the same time, we don't want to have the China be in that position or or Israel or Russia or any other country really.
	No.
	And and and so if if uh Dugan is correct that he wants a multipolar order, then it's like, yeah, it's better to have that, obviously.
	But I mean at the same time, we have the United Nations, isn't that what that is?
	It's an international body to dictate and and and um you know certain issues globally, but as we see, there's just America can put in their veto on the side of Israel every damn time, so nothing happens anyway, right?
	It's yeah, practically useless.
	So you know, in one weird kind of way Israel is correct that it's like it's it's not it's not functioning, but it's just because they don't think it's pro-Israeli pro-Israel enough, right?
	But when Chi if China if if this is what's happening with Trump.
	If he pulls out of these trade deals, if he pulls out of Syria, if he pulls out of everywhere, I can't help to think is that is that just part of the plan to lessen the influence and domination of America in these regions because it's time is now over.
	The shift towards this new um order, if you will, of the world is is is ready and ripe, and and that's why they're doing it.
	That's why Israel is encouraging it, that on one level, maybe.
	Um it's time to leave America out to dry, and Israel's gonna rise up as the new uh technological superpower, the the hub of the new Belt and Road initiative uh over there in Jerusalem.
	Yeah, and while and while America is struggling with like political division, uh racial division, debt and wars and wars and misery and drug problems, excuse me.
	It's like it's it's it's it's been hellish scenario that's been created to a certain extent in America.
	But if if China and Russia and even Israel goes on to team up and and call you know create some kind of alliance, maybe they just realize there's like ah, you know what, it doesn't matter.
	America spent uh it was you know, we used our military for a while to do damage and stuff, but now it's like we don't need them anymore.
	Maybe there's a whole new generation of things coming um uh technology wise, military technology that's coming, uh, which is gonna make America obsolete.
	I mean, I I I don't know.
	It's just it's interesting thinking about these things, but it bears to take into consideration that when something happens on the world stage, you have to question what's what the motive is.
	It's usually not because it's actually going to be better, it's because the globalists are trying to create a worse uh scenario and situation.
	So I can't help to think that if Trump manages to pull out of these things, you know, out of out of all these things, maybe it's because they have an ulterior motive with it, right?
	We we may not know for a few years what what it ultimately meant.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What do you think of this story uh today?
	Exad head says Russia decided Trump was their best candidate and ran him for president.
	That's pretty funny.
	Uh a Mossad agent coming out and saying that.
	Yeah, I mean uh well, wouldn't that be good for them to use as a source for uh the fact that uh Trump is controlled by Russia?
	I I don't buy that.
	I don't think that.
	I mean, I it I I seriously don't uh we just ran a story today on Weekend Warrior.
	People should check that out by the way on Red Eyes Members.com if you if you want to our kind of weekly news roundup that we do on the weekends.
	But we just talked about the story today.
	RT did a good breakdown out of it, and it was basically um uh what's his name again, Hoffman Reed Reed Hoffman from LinkedIn was uh had given money to an in to an organization called New Initiative or something, I forget what the exact name was.
	But he uh that organization had gone on to create Russian fake bot accounts that had started following Roy Moore in Alabama by basically Democrat operatives so that they could try to prove that Russia was supporting Roy Moore in the Alabama Senate race, right?
	This is how far they've gone.
	They have created a f false flag psyop operations uh to ramp up the Russia narrative, right?
	And to try to make them see as they're controlling everything.
	And there have been so little proof for this.
	But the few times they've gotten something, like the Mara Maria Butina, this the supposed you know, honeypot like uh spy that they that they got, which I think was just she was just totally innocent.
	She was uh actually just an individual trying to uh actually sincerely create better relationships with between Russia and America.
	She was a pro-Gun activist.
	Yes, she was at meetings with Americans.
	She was meeting with them, but it was like I don't think it all was for never nefarious purposes.
	But they gave they they um they managed to get her to sign a a plea, uh, an admission, a plea deal or uh um uh you know, a statement of a Greens.
	Thank you.
	Uh because she was threatened with five, six years in prison, and she didn't want that.
	So they drew up a draft of a confession and say, Yes, I I try to, you know, we'll give you a lesson to prison uh agreement if you agree to this or whatever.
	And so they got her to agree and say, Yeah, I'll try to influence politicians and bullshit like that.
	I don't think she ever did.
	She wanted better relationships, but there's frankly, if they're if they're judging her for failing to register as a foreign agent in the United States, there are literally thousands of other people right now in Washington, DC, doing far worse things than this little girl from Russia ever did, who was just interested in like NRA and pro-gun stuff, you know.
	Uh what about all the Israelis and the Israel lobby, have them uh freaking uh register as foreign agents because they do far more damage than Maria Bhutna.
	So my point anyway is that they they they they're caught red-handed fabricating uh like this Russian Russian bot things and influence stuff.
	This is just like a couple of days ago news coming out about this.
	But it doesn't really break through in the mainstream on a bigger scale, and the Russian narrative is still there being run because you have these Atlanticists, the Atlantic Council, who are who are being whipping up the drum against Russia.
	It doesn't mean I agree with everything that Russia does or every policy they have, or or that all of their intentions is good for the world and that they don't have a self-interest.
	Obviously, they do.
	But they're doing similar things to what America does.
	So whoop-do-doo, big deal.
	That's how I see it.
	Yeah, um, they want to talk about Russian bots, but how about uh Rick Gates, you know, Trump's guy going and talking to Israel intelligence or Israeli groups about doing their bot campaigns.
	Yeah, well, they're spying, they're wired.
	Israel's wiretapping on senators and political full integration of all of the internet, full access to all of social media, all the social media companies, backdoors into all of the Intel chips and all the qualcom chips, uh Qualcomm doing the 5G, they're they're they're in charge of all the new advanced technology and working with uh China's uh manufacturing capacity.
	Um Israel is sending a uh probe to the moon now, too, by the way.
	Oh, yeah, I'm sure I'm sure they are the Space Force, Israel's new space force.
	Yeah, and they were sending like uh Holocaust stories to the moon.
	Yeah.
	So there was one more thing on this uh this Dugan story that I wanted to get to.
	A quote uh wanted to make sure that you had seen, I imagine you have.
	But uh one thing is that he's uh he's peppering conservative American websites like Breitbart Drudge and the conspiracy king Alex Jones, who they say is a favorite of uh Dugan's, which is weird that he's a Bolshevik.
	You would think that like the communists and the Bolsheviks would be like uh evil in all of these conservative uh minds, or maybe not because all the Trotsky Bolsheviks turned into the the neocons.
	Yeah, uh again, I don't know about the objective of Big Think or what they're what side of the fence they're on, but again, the wording of that or peppering.
	I mean, he's been mentioned that I think it was interviewed once, maybe twice by Alex, and it's the same thing there.
	I mean, it's like sure, uh, we've talked about him and his potential, you know, as an asset and these kinds of things, whether that he's uh he was controlled, he was taken over, if you will, is his um endeavor along the way.
	Uh but it again, it's like you know, they write an article about it or they're focused on him once, and then they see that as proof that they're in with Russia.
	I mean, it's like he's gonna be all right because he's with Alex Jones, that's what they're trying to get out with.
	Exactly.
	And these connections, these I mean, look at the alternative influencers network.
	I mean, these leftists and these globalists are are they're paranoid, they're drawing lines between charts and people, and just they spoke with them once, or they had them on their show, or he was mentioned on their website.
	That's enough proof for them to prove that it's all like Kremlin backed and Putin run and you know stuff like that, which is clearly not the case.
	Interestingly enough, I'm I'm impressed that these people are communicating with each other, they're willing to talk, they might have differing opinions, but isn't it far better that we actually engage in dialogue and actually talk with each other than just shutting the door in each other's faces and like not trying to figure out what they're about, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, if you disagree with somebody, you should have a talk with them and try to convince them where where they're wrong.
	So I'm sure this is this is the quote from one of his books that I've seen the most people get upset about, and it's understandable why.
	And we were talking about racial division earlier.
	This is from his book, uh, what's it called?
	Page 367.
	The book is where is it?
	Foundation of Geopolitics 1997.
	He says it is especially important to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethic, social and racial conflicts, act actively supporting all dissident movements, extreme extremist racist sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the US.
	It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolation tendencies.
	Yep, and this is a really good point.
	And this I'm glad that this came out because this is the flip side to the argument, right?
	That we can I think what Russia has been able to achieve is fairly small uh in comparison to how influential America has big been on the geopolitical chessboard and as a global player and influence.
	However, as I said before, this doesn't mean that Russia doesn't have its own interest.
	And obviously, a weakened America would be beneficial to Russia because ultimately I mean, listen, America, which is controlled by by by APAC, their foreign policy, they're they're big player in the biggest player in NATO.
	They have continuously built basis uh in in former satellite states to the Soviet Union, right?
	When it started to fall apart.
	Remember the whole neocon scene and all that stuff came out of Russia initially, right?
	They came, it was Russian communists, the Jewish communists that came over to America, created new political, they were anti-Stalinist, but they were like still communists.
	So they were Marxists, right?
	And they created this new idea of exporting democracy, and many people might have heard the story, right?
	But they became war hawks because it was a way for them to ensure that they could continue to destabilize the world and create it in their vision.
	And so they've been using America as the f enforcement arm of the global uh empire, right?
	So America has been used by these people.
	But obviously, this means that if America is building bases all around in like you know, Ukraine now, and they're supporting Ukraine, they're um giving them military aid, they're destabilizing things in there so that they can, you know, utilize that to their own position.
	Let's turn Ukraine against Russia, let's turn the Baltic states against Russia, let's turn every neighboring country that can imagine.
	I mean, i I mean, remember Afghan the first war in Afghanistan that uh America was involved in was a proxy war between Afghanistan and the Soviet Union.
	Russia.
	Uh they were giving the I mean, America basically created the Taliban at that time, which is called it means like the base or something like that.
	Like it was a database of access to exactly that's right.
	And they so they created that to fight Russia, right?
	Or the Soviet Union, I should say.
	Um so America's meddling has been prominent in all of this.
	So obviously, from a survival point of view, um uh Russia would want to do everything it can to weaken America if they can.
	And the reality is that they do I've said this for years in like me, I never like really done just a show about it.
	But if you do look at things like RT and Sputnik and stuff like that, I don't think that they're ideologically driven to promote a Russian narrative.
	They are driven in the sense that they are they are outlets of state-owned uh media in Russia, and and it's clear that they touch on both left and right issues that America doesn't touch on to how do I put this to further create wedges and issues that is divisive to America undermining the American government with the media because they're they're telling the truth about more things.
	Exactly.
	They are telling the truth, but what I'm saying is that there's an ulterior motive with telling Russia.
	Yeah, well, the truth as long as it's it's benefits them.
	Yeah, and as long as it's uh and and what benefits them in the situation is to have America in chaos, which is more uh obsessed, and this is Björkna's point as well, you and Björkness' point, which I agree with.
	It's if if you can have America running around and trying to like deal with you know white privilege issues and spending uh millions of millions of millions of on like you know, uh importing third world populations into America, creating racial divisions, creating schisms within the political system.
	America has, of course, done this to its well, not to itself, it's agreed to being fooled to a certain extent, and it hasn't studied and stand up against these issues firmly.
	But we as we talked about earlier, we know heart seller act and all these things were done to America, right?
	But I think I think it's true there that do what Dugan says that Russia do have an interest in it.
	That the the the ads that they did take out in Facebook, there were they were racially, that's just reality.
	They were racially based.
	They were based on many of them were frauds, many many people have claimed that Russia were behind certain ads and stuff like that when they actually weren't uh, but some of them they were behind, and those have been on social issues.
	They have been RT making report and report and report again over uh how how corrupt America is, what is that gonna do?
	Is it gonna strengthen people's Americans' people's uh belief in the government?
	Well, obviously not, right?
	And it it just this is the dual thing with it.
	It deserves to come out because it's the truth, but the only reason they're focusing on it is because it helps to keep America occupied and it helps to slowly break down the influence of America over time, because it's leading to more internal uh issues than what then what they are in the in the end of the day going to be able to keep up with when it comes to global issues, if you see what I'm saying, right?
	So there he's right, there is a play there.
	The question is what Dugan says something like this, and let's assume that it's his access to Putin is very more prominent than we think.
	Are they doing that because they want to be in a position themselves that America has been?
	Do they want to be the policeman of the world, right?
	Or are they actually just interested in lessening America's role so that they actually will approach this and come to a multipolar order?
	So sometimes I feel that Russia knows that it was primarily Jewish American bankers that were behind the funding of the Bolshevik movement.
	And sometimes when I watch RT and even Sputnik news to a certain extent, I feel that they focus on issues to try to give back a little gift to America that they that they that they gave to Russia way back when.
	You see what I'm saying?
	On some issues, they're just total they're total lefty commies, you know what I mean?
	And they're and they're focusing on American issues to make sure that they turn more left, right?
	They're one day they're Bernie bros, the other day they're like having nationalists on their network.
	Why?
	Because it's interesting, and they have a diversity and range of of guests, and that's good, and it's the truth, and it should be there, and it's representative and blah blah blah.
	But I think they're doing it because of another ulterior motive.
	That's what I think.
	Well, whatever their their motive is for doing it, I don't see how causing racial division and supporting uh I think it's a like sectarian division or something like that is gonna, you know, uh it's one thing to undermine our guard lying government or Zog occupied government, but to just like cause racial division, uh, doesn't seem like it's doing anything to help.
	And and one other thing, uh something I heard is that uh Dugan uh has connections with Crowley, like reading Crowley's book or something, some kind of memoir.
	But um are interested in this kind of you know occult esoteric stuff.
	You know, I read some of Kroller's work, you know.
	It's like it was fun, you know, for a while.
	But I I don't know.
	I I think no, obviously, creating intentional divisions, no, that's not good.
	But what I'm saying is it's just like this is what this is what countries try to do that are geopolitically at odds with each other.
	And what I'm saying is I I don't think it's being done because they have a direction which they want to take America politically in.
	They just want to make sure that they're busy and being occupied with plenty of issues that prevents them from uh pouring all the funds that they can into NATO and building bases again uh around Russia to threaten them.
	You know, that's what I think it's about.
	Um if they tell the truth, partially that's good, but sometimes it's exaggerated and and they're uh the they there is something there.
	Don't get me wrong, there's something which I which I recognize which I see as as an issue as a side note to all of that with the Russian coverage.
	Like sometimes why why would you get so much truth from like RT and some of these outlets, right?
	Uh because they have an agenda with it.
	They they they know what they're doing to a certain extent.
	They're certainly better at cat c catching the online audiences and the dissenting voices out there, and and to a certain extent they they uh they have been better at playing that game, that information war so far.
	Yeah, well, they're definitely more will give you more truth than like the the uh major mainstream media in the country.
	Exactly.
	All right, Henrik.
	Uh I I know I told you an hour and a half uh before we started, but I know it's getting late there.
	Uh you want to give us uh any any predictions for uh 2019?
	What do you how do you think 2019's gonna go?
	Yeah, very interesting.
	It could go either way.
	I think uh I think we're gonna see more of the same uh initially uh in forms of censorship, in forms of uh people being deplatformed from big uh big platforms, social media gonna continue the crackdown.
	Um I think from my personal point of view, I think we have to have uh people maturing, excuse me, in their kind of resistance, um, in in their in their uh effort to try to influence things more in terms of exposing globalism and kind of showing what what they're up to and stuff like that.
	I I think I see the the dissident movement as a kind of a spazzy teenager from from the from the trolls and the memes to people in the uh in the alt-right, and I mean the the real alt-right now, not the the ones that the media is is bunching together like Milo and Cernovich, which which they're not they they jumped on that term way later.
	Uh but again, whatever you want to call the dissident right, those are more nationalist inclined.
	That's Gault right.
	Or Javalt, right, right?
	I don't know how to say that word.
	Yeah.
	Um I think if if and and this is true for uh most people that are at least anti-globalist, right?
	That there should be there should be more cooperation.
	There should be more putting personal differences to the side to try to organize better to try to get something achieved instead of just being a spazzy, rebellious uh teenager, which I see a lot of these movements are like, there needs to be a maturing process, and there needs to be uh goals and and uh you know proper um yeah goals set for what to what we should what what we should do, what should be achieved and stuff like that.
	I know that there's so many divisions, so many different directions that people want to go and all that stuff, but the reality is we're we're all being censored by these mainstream social media platforms, we're being attacked by the mainstream media.
	They don't see the kind of divisions that most other people do.
	They just bunch them all together and just say these are all uh evil racists and white supremacists or whatever the hell they you know term they use these days.
	And and but you know, internally, many of these groups have you know bicker and infight and stuff like that.
	And the reality is that if we cannot voice our opinions online, even if they're deviant or uh if they di differ, we won't be able to get our message out at all.
	So I think there has to be a kind of a coalition, even even with people who really don't agree on uh you know some vital points that at least they could agree on the fact that, like, okay, well, if we're all shut down, if we're all terminated, if we are shadow band, all have our accounts shut down, none of us are gonna be able to influence anything.
	We won't be able to say anything, we'll get our views out there.
	People have to realize that it's like if you know, and and you guys have showed that, you know, in the in the sense of you helped us as when we get taken down or the strikes occur and stuff like that, and and I always try to extend that same gesture to anyone else, they get censored, like, hey, come on my show, uh, you know, write me uh we'll talk about it, we'll spread the word, we try to get people to sign up to those new accounts that they set up or whatever it is, right?
	And I don't care if we agree on everything or or not.
	You know, I'm I'm willing to support anyone out there who is ultimately pro-free speech, right?
	Even if they're even if they're leftist for God's sake, but they don't get censored as much.
	It's not as big as a problem, right?
	But that's a basic thing that if you can't if you can't agree on free speech, like you basically can't agree on anything.
	Exactly.
	And that's just it.
	Like if we if none of us can even like voice our disagreements to talk about them, then what are you gonna do?
	That's you have nothing at all, right?
	So that's one vital thing.
	There must be some, and I don't know if that's leadership, I don't know if that's some uh political initiative or lobby initiative, you know.
	But there's a lot of things weaved into that of of funding and resources and time and people and leadership and bunch of things which we don't have sorted out at all right now.
	It's just total chaos.
	But there needs to be that kind of larger, matured organizational capacity and skill uh to be able to really start fighting back what we're up against.
	These Silicon Valley companies, uh San Francisco companies are some of the biggest companies in the world.
	They have so much influence, they have so much money.
	They are investigating or investing in artificial intelligences, they are doing all these uh horrible, horrible things, uh selling our data, using that against us and stuff like that.
	We have to realize what's happening and start fighting back in a in a in a in some kind of measurable capacity, or we are just going to lose this because we're bickering over nonsense issues that we can frankly sort out later, you know, when we have when we've solved certain big hurdles, we can sort out what what what colors the the you know the rails on the Titanic is gonna have or whatever, but right now it's like we're heading for the the iceberg, it's going to go down, and so we have to try to organize.
	Uh and that's what I hope to see in 2019, because the the window of opportunity is closing.
	So I encourage uh leadership, professionalism, uh organizational skill, uh diplomacy, um and and you know, definitely continue to criticize people, uh, but doing it in in a in a respectful and rational and and good way, uh, so that people still maintain uh you know respect for each other and and even though they disagree, they if the time comes, can still uh go together and cooperate on on certain issues if they need to.
	That that's what I'd love to see.
	If that's gonna happen, I have no idea.
	Very well put.
	It sounds good.
	I hope we can get A little bit of that stuff.
	And at the very least, I hope that uh Red Ice continues uh putting out the great content because I enjoy your guys' videos and I I've learned a whole lot.
	Yeah, a lot of your stuff can be you know sometimes uh shocking, infuriating, uh inspiring, motivating.
	So just I really hope you guys uh keep up keep up the good work.
	I know that it can be discouraging with the censorship and uh it takes the wind out of your sails.
	So luckily you guys already have uh you know you've diversified a little bit.
	You got the website, the members area, you're on Gab, Bit Shoot.
	Everybody make sure to sub to the backup channel, Red Ice Media, as well as uh the main channel if you're not already, and all the Twitters, Red Ice at Red Ice TV, at Henrik Palmgren, and Lana Lock.
	Lock LockTef.
	And uh say hi to Lana for me, and I really appreciate you coming on and uh chatting with me, Henrik, and and having me on uh on Red Ice all those times.
	Of course, yeah, thank you.
	It was a great discussion.
	Let's uh let's continue to either I'll have you back on my show or we'll continue and do a part two of those.
	Lots to talk about, but it's great.
	Thank you so much for having me, Adam.
	Yes.
	Uh everyone, thanks for watching.
	Uh, I'm Adam Green with No More News.
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